The story of the Mahadevi, often called Durga.
In comments, be the creator — describe your perfect President (since we obviously won’t be getting one this year who is even CLOSE to perfect).
What would they look like, sound like? what would their life story be?
How far do you think our country is from electing a GREAT president? Why?
What can WE do to bring our country closer to the time when we can elect a GREAT president?
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One small detail that I can guarantee won the hearts of a lot of votes from the military out there was when McCain told the gentleman in the audience that “I’ve learned a lot from a Chief Petty Officer.”
I know for a fact since I spent many years married to a 20-year career military man who was also a graduate of the Naval Academy — and that kind of comment goes over well with the enlisted as well as officers in the armed forces.
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President Hillary Rodham Clinton
My perfect president-anyone but Obama!!!
One last word on the image of Michelle Obama.
Michelle Obama makes Barrack seem like the one who carried their children to term.
Does anyone what to sum up what happened?
Was it good for us? bad? what?
I was about to say 1 point is….there is too much emphasis on “presentation”…even so I think McCain was empassioned and Obama was slick.
1st with my head still in toilet…typing blind!
I think Mc, did a good job no matter what obomotos think
Thank God Hannity need some Hannity
Maa Durga Puma
sigh
I just git in. Missed the debate had to handle some things.
I will catch a rerun later.
SO how did it go?
Hannity is on fox now.
I read the report at yahoo and it seems Mccain scored some points
ignore me pumas…i will be better tomorrow i hope:(
matt… I would venture to guess that overall… McCain sounded more credible as usual. I think Obama puts everyone to sleep… but the pundits will tell us differently. Overall… it wasn’t lively from either candidate and certainly no fireworks that we were all hoping for… but John stuck to the topic… and I think that will stick in most people’s minds. Especially as more of the bad stuff on Obama start coming out in the upcoming weeks. One of the first questions said it all — “Who can we trust?” In the end I think most people trust McCain more.
Keep voting!
“that one” still ahead by over 200 votes!
http://www.newsnet5.com/index.html
Any other places to vote?
Personally I think it’s going to not make any difference. McCain needed a “game changer” here… and, although we liked what he said compared to BO, for those who are undecided or leaning I don’t think there was any real “game changer” tonight. No strong “wow… everybody will definately see how great Mac is after that” statement. The flood is going over to BO; the only way to stop it was something really strong…. and it wasn’t there. I’m afraid the flood is going to keep going as it is right now yet. We’ll see after the polls in a few days, but I don’t think we’re going to see much change in Mac’s direction as a result of this debate unfortunately….
I came across this article on contributions, BO took in 455 million dollars and half of that amount does not have to be reported?http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/07/obama-contributions-abroad-total-million/comments/
Can you believe CNN is talking about Ayers and Obama :
Ayers and Obama crossed paths on boards, records show. Story Highlights
William Ayers was a fugitive leader of an anti-Vietnam war terrorist group
The 60s radical group committed its acts when Obama was a child
Ayers and Obama later worked on Chicago charitable boards together
Obama’s spokesperson said Obama had been unaware of Ayers’ past
By Drew Griffin and Kathleen Johnston
CNN Special Investigations Unit
CHICAGO, Illinois (CNN) — More than 30 years ago, William Ayers was a fugitive leader of the Weather Underground, an antiwar terrorist group known for its bombings of police stations, the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol.
Chicago gave William Ayers its Citizen of the Year award in 1997 for his work on an education project.
1 of 2 Today, he is back in the news, a central figure in a debate over character, judgment and associations in an increasingly bitter presidential race between Democratic Sen. Barack Obama and Republican Sen. John McCain.
At issue is Obama’s relationship with Ayers, an unrepentant radical who as late as 2001 said he wished he had done more to stop the Vietnam War. After years on the run, the federal government’s case against Ayers and his wife, fellow radical Bernadine Dohrn, was thrown out due to illegal wiretaps and prosecutorial misconduct.
CNN’s attempts to contact Ayers for comment were unsuccessful.
Ayers is now a university professor who lives on the South Side of Chicago, where Obama cut his political teeth. The nature of their relationship has been the subject of discussion all year in the blogosphere, but was dismissed by Obama during a Democratic primary debate earlier this year.
Obama confirmed during that April debate that he knew Ayers “as a guy who lives in my neighborhood.”
When pressed, Obama said they served on a charitable board together. He also denounced Ayers’ support for violence.
“What they are arguing is that somehow the fact that these two people, who both served as educational reformers in Chicago, both who did have their paths cross professionally as well as neighbors occasionally, that somehow this association is a problem because of Bill Ayers’ past and things that happened in the 1960s when Barack Obama was 7 years old,” said Anita Dunn, a senior Obama adviser.
“And that’s just wrong and quite unfair.”
But the relationship between Obama and Ayers went deeper, ran longer and was more political than Obama — and his surrogates — have revealed, documents and interviews show.
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A review of board minutes and records by CNN show Obama crossed paths repeatedly with Ayers at board meetings of the Annenberg Challenge Project.
The Annenberg Foundation gave the project a $50 million grant to match local private funds to improve schools, and Ayers fought to bring the grant to Chicago, according to participants and project records.
The project’s organizing committee asked Obama to serve as the board chairman in 1995. Annenberg Project Executive Director Ken Rollings said Ayers was not a member of that ad hoc group when the decision was made.
For seven years, Ayers and Obama — among many others — worked on funding for education projects, including some projects advocated by Ayers.
“The specific job of the board of directors was to give out the money,” said Stanley Kurtz, a conservative researcher for the Ethics and Public Policy Center and frequent Obama critic.
“Instead of giving money directly to schools, they gave money to what they call external partners and these partners were often pretty radical community organizer groups,” said Kurtz, who also has been reviewing the Annenberg Challenge’s recently released records.
The board, for example, gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to Bill Ayers’ small schools project. The project promoted alternative education, including projects like the Peace School — where the curriculum centered on a United Nations theme — and another school where the focus was African-American studies.
The funding, according to Kurtz and records CNN reviewed, came directly from the Annenberg foundation which Obama chaired. The project shut down in 2003 after achieving “little impact on school improvement and student outcomes,” its final report stated.
While working on the Annenberg project, Obama and Ayers also served together on a second charitable foundation, the Woods Fund. It was that foundation that Obama referenced in the debate — not the Annenberg Challenge.
Among Wood Foundation recipients were the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church, where Obama attended and was married; and the Children and Family Justice Center, where Ayers’ wife Dohrn was director.
A CNN review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the volunteer projects in which the two men were involved. Read CNN’s fact check on Obama’s connection to Ayers
Ayers has strong defenders in Chicago — including Mayor Richard Daley, who called him “a valued member of the Chicago community.”
The city gave Ayers its Citizen of the Year award in 1997 for his work on the Annenberg project.
For Obama, the chairmanship of the $100 million Annenberg board helped vault him from a South Side lawyer to political player. And there, too, is an Ayers connection.
In 1995, months after the little-known Obama became Annenberg chairman, state Sen. Alice Palmer introduced the young lawyer as her political heir apparent. The introduction was made over coffee at the home of Ayers and Dohrn. Two people who attended the event told CNN the introduction of Obama included a solicitation for campaign funds.
Obama senior aide Dunn said it was just a coincidence the event occurred at the home of the two former Weather Underground members.
“A Democrat state senator organizes the meeting at the home of one of her supporters,” Dunn said. “What is the problem here? It is the worst kind of inference and the worst kind of politics to say that says something about Barack Obama.”
Palmer rarely speaks to reporters. But she recently denied to CNN that she organized the political affair for Obama, although she said she attended.
Dr. Quentin Young, a longtime physician, now retired, referred to the gathering as the political coming-out party for Obama.
Young said it was a small group — maybe a dozen or so people — who were being introduced to the next senator from Chicago’s South Side, and that money was raised for Obama at the event.
Sunday, senior Obama strategist David Axlerod told CNN that Obama “didn’t know the history” of Ayers’ notorious past when the political event was held.
Ayers’ past has been well-chronicled and well-known in Chicago. His late father Thomas, a wealthy and prominent executive of the public utility Commonwealth Edison, worked tirelessly and publicly to re-establish his son into Chicago society.
But the Obama-Ayers connection exploded into the national news Saturday when McCain’s running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, accused Obama of “palling around” with a domestic terrorist. The Obama campaign calls the charge “ludicrous,” and there is no evidence to show the two men are pals — although in an interview earlier this year with Politico, Axlerod said the two men were friendly.
Obama and Ayers had a connection not just through the education and charity boards, but in the area of juvenile justice. Obama praised Ayers’ book on the subject in a 1997 Chicago Tribune review, calling it “a searing and timely account of the juvenile court system, and the courageous individuals who rescue hope from despair.”
In an event organized by Obama’s wife Michelle, then-Illinois state Sen. Obama was listed as a panelist along with Ayers on a discussion involving juvenile justice issues.
At the time, Obama was fighting legislation that would put more juveniles under the purview of adult courts.
hillfan4mccain on 10.07.08 at 11:16 pm
“Thank God Hannity need some Hannity”
Who though a year ago ANYONE of us would be saying this!!!
The media is reporting that McCain will buy the bad mortgages and renegotiate the terms at current values. Thats something that will secure a lot of votes.
I think dimwits will think obama won because of the economy.
I have an uncle who was an educator his whole working life. When I was in college he said during a family discussion about politics…”Most people are basically lacking in intelligence”.
I wonder about that a lot lately…still I have to believe the American people as a whole “get it” and will do the right thing. I will say I have less faith now than any other time in my lifetime. It’s like the national playground has been taken over by thugs and the cowards are all trying to get in their good graces.
Question asked to “That One” what would you say you don’t know?
Answer Well actually I don’t know but you can ask Michelle she has a list of things…. Say what?
Murphy – Love the Mahadevi theme! Goddess themes resonates with Barracuda!
We need a lot more of this in the coming weeks
pnj.com Palin was in Pensacola FL. and 10.000 people showed she pack out the house the pictures are great
Will pumas please stop crying about the polls. First they are very close and second they can’t be trusted. They are designed to depress you. Stop letting them do that.
Alan Colmes sounds like Charlie Brown’s teacher. wawawawawa.
Remember Zack Morris from Saved by the Bell?
Remember how he would shuck and jive his way through something he obviously knew nothing about?
Zack=Obama in his debate performance, tonight, and all others.
23 snowtiger on 10.07.08 at 11:20 pm The media is reporting that McCain will buy the bad mortgages and renegotiate the terms at current values. Thats something that will secure a lot of votes.
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About time there is something to help those poor homeowners. Since you are asking taxpayers to pay for the 800 billion plus bail out for the rich why not the middle class….
OMG!!! Something is wrong at CNN!!!!!
They are calling the debate a TIE
No BO megavictory at CNN
:lol
wow cbs has a new poll out showing the race tightening, They give o a four point lead. With a margin of error of 3.
CBS!!?
#19 KarenWI
” I’m afraid the flood is going to keep going as it is right now yet. We’ll see after the polls in a few days, but I don’t think we’re going to see much change in Mac’s direction as a result of this debate unfortunately”
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I disagree… I think the “flood” you speak of is media manufactured. I don’t believe there ever really was a flood. Ignore the polls. Ignore the pundits… and just keep working as we have been doing. I think there are more good people out there that find McCain more trustworthy and that is what counts. I think there are a lot of people out there who like McCain but they aren’t being vocal or aren’t being heard… or both.
At the beginning Tom B said that the audience was made up of “totally undecided” voters that were not leaning one way or the other …..another “lie” by the tank NBC(& MSM). If anybody watched at the end at first McCain (and then Cindy joined him from backstage – while MO had a seat in the audience?) and BO were shaking hands …but then it was “crystal clear” that the majority of them were not “totally undecided and not leaning one way or the other. BO and MO were posing for picture after picture, signing books, autographs….in fact one African American women came running down from the top row and was hugging and touching BO…..So to me that is BS – PERIOD
The debate was boring and biased as should be expected with Tom B and NBC……
33 matt2008A
A tie?!!!?? From CNN!!???
Whooo hooo. That means McCain slaughtered CArpathia,
I’ve no repsect for “undecideds”. I prefer decisive people. Undecideds take too long to make up their easily confused minds. They make for lousy leaders
ario — dont be discouraged.
i bet the ratings were WAY down for this debate.
town hall debates are lame.
#33 Matt
LMAO
#36 1of18MilforHill08
Acc ording to Yahoo news the audience was comprised of people chosen by Gallup. 1/3 leaning bo 1/3 leaning McCAin 1/3 undecided.
Brokaw called them all undecided? OH we need to get that out.
#25 alohapuma – He is damn right! I come from Asia and people are consistently dumb all across the globe.
For the first time in a decade I see in USA the OBOTS look like ordinary people of the world. All over the world people are interested in for example American Idol, People magazine, Oprah, Yao Ming, Jackie Chan etc more than anything else. Don’t dumb people get dumb presidents! Yes, they do! But common sense can prevail and people can salvage their intelligence or lack of it by raising above their stupidity.
I also think, ironically, people like Bill Clinton, HRC, Axelrod to name a few are becoming a little dumber going for the empty suit (they have their reasons and perks to do so though)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/presidential_debate
Was from ap. btw.
cure for econ crisis
By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer 1 minute ago
NASHVILLE, Tenn. – Barack Obama and John McCain clashed repeatedly over the causes and cures for the worst economic crisis in 80 years Tuesday night in a debate in which Republican McCain called for a sweeping $300 billion program to shield homeowners from mortgage foreclosure.
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“It’s my proposal. It’s not Sen. Obama’s proposal, it’s not President Bush’s proposal,” McCain said in the debate that he hoped could revive his fortunes in a presidential race trending toward his rival.
In one pointed confrontation on foreign policy, Obama bluntly challenged McCain’s steadiness. “This is a guy who sang bomb, bomb, bomb Iran, who called for the annihilation of North Korea — that I don’t think is an example of speaking softly.”
That came after McCain accused him of foolishly threatening to invade Pakistan and said, “I’m not going to telegraph my punches, which is what Sen. Obama did.”
The debate was the second of three between the two major party rivals, and the only one to feature a format in which voters seated a few feet away posed questions to the candidates.
They were polite, but the strain of the campaign showed. At one point, McCain referred to Obama as “that one,” rather than speaking his name.
“It’s good to be with you at a town hall meeting,” McCain also jabbed at his rival, who has spurned the Republican’s calls for numerous such joint appearances across the fall campaign.
They debated on a stage at Belmont University four weeks before Election Day in a race that has lately favored Obama, both in national polls and in surveys in pivotal battleground states.
Not surprisingly, many of the questions dealt with an economy in trouble.
Obama said the current crisis was the “final verdict on the failed economic policies of the last eight years” that President Bush pursued and were “supported by Sen. McCain.”
He contended that Bush, McCain and others had favored deregulation of the financial industry, predicting that would “let markets run wild and prosperity would rain down on all of us. It didn’t happen.”
McCain’s pledge to have the government help individual homeowners avoid foreclosure went beyond the details of the bailout that recently cleared Congress. The legislation allows but does not require Treasury to purchase mortgages directly. Obama has said previously that idea should be studied, and his campaign contended McCain’s proposal was not a new one.
McCain’s campaign issued a written statement that said the $300 billion cost of his initiative would be paid out of the $700 billion approved late last week.
“I would order the secretary of the Treasury to immediately buy up the bad home loan mortgages in America and renegotiate at the new value of those homes, at the diminished value of those homes, and let people be able to make those payments and stay in their homes,” he said.
“Is it expensive? Yes. But we all know, my friends, until we stabilize home values in America, we’re never going to start turning around and creating jobs and fixing our economy, and we’ve got to get some trust and confidence back to America.”
McCain also said it was important to reform the giant benefit programs such as Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.
“My friends, we are not going to be able to provide the same benefit for present-day workers that present-day retirees have today,” he said, although he did not elaborate.
The two men also competed to demonstrate their qualifications as reformers at a time voters are clamoring for change.
McCain accused Obama of being the Senate’s second-highest recipient of donations from individuals at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the two now-disgraced mortgage industry giants.
“There were some of us who stood up against it,” McCain said of the lead-up to the financial crisis. “There were others who took a hike.”
Obama shot back that McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis, has a stake in a Washington lobbying firm that received thousands of dollars a month from Freddie Mac until recently.
Pivoting quickly to show his concern with members of the audience listening from a few feet away, he said, “You’re not interested in politicians pointing fingers. What you’re interested in is trying to figure out, how is this going to impact you.”
But that didn’t stop the two men from criticizing one another repeatedly as the topics turned to energy, spending, taxes and health care.
Obama said McCain was going to require taxes on the health benefits workers receive from their employers at the same time his plan would wipe out the ability of states to enforce their own regulations to require tests such as mammograms.
McCain countered that under his rival’s plan “Sen. Obama will fine you” if parents fail to obtain coverage for their children but had yet to say what the fine would be. “Perhaps we will find that out tonight,” he said.
Obama quickly followed up, saying that McCain “voted against the expansion” of the children’s health care program the government runs.
The two men prefer dramatically different approaches to easing the problem of millions of uninsured Americans. McCain favors a $5,000 tax credit that he says would allow families to find and afford health care on their own.
Obama wants to build on the current system, in which millions receive coverage through the workplace, with government funding to help uninsured families obtain coverage.
Obama also said that American International Group Inc., which was bailed out by the government, should give the Treasury $440,000 to cover the costs of a company retreat at a posh California resort less than a week after the federal intervention. “Those executives should be fired,” he said, referring to the participants in the retreat.
The debate also veered into foreign policy, and the disputes were as intense as on the economy and domestic matters.
McCain said his rival “was wrong about Iraq and the surge. He was wrong about Russia when they committed aggression against Georgia. And in his short career he does not understand our national security challenges. We don’t have time for on the job training.”
Obama countered with a trace of sarcasm that he didn’t understand some things — like how the United States could face the challenge in does in Afghanistan after spending years and hundreds of billions of dollars in Iraq.
The audience was selected by Gallup, the polling organization, and was split three ways among voters leaning toward McCain, those leaning toward Obama and those undecided.
Tom Brokaw of NBC, the moderator, screened their questions and also chose others that had been submitted online.
I am pretty sure he said that in the start of the debate that they were undecided, not leaning one way or the other and were expected to be ppl that would be voting in November….if anyone heard diff please correct it?
is that murphy ii hear????
its like an echo when u r worshipping the porcelin god! i really hope u r right…honestly folks i cant wrap my mind around the racist azzhole getting into the whitehouse…he is a disgrace to my race!!!!!!!!
people can salvage their intelligence or lack of it by raising above their stupidity.
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stupid people aren’t smart enough to realize they’re stupid… only smart people realize how stupid they are.
.02 cents (down from .07 cents because I want to qualify for a bailout)
This should have been Barack’s chance to steal 2nd base and get to third. He is caught now between throw backs from the third base player and second base player, not to mention the shortback is giving mixed signals and there was a 3rd rank pitcher in play. Barack is on the run both back and forth. McCain is in place at third base to put him out with Palin as catcher to seal the deal. This debate was “the link.” Barack went no where except where his paid followers and pundits put him. This is the last inning of a long ball game that we know WE CAN WIN, but waiting for that pivotal play. It will play out! Don’t rush the action of the guy on third base and his catcher….and remember…there are booos and claps/cheers going on on both sides that add to the mix. Barack should be on third base. Barack is NOT on third base. Barack is on the run. John did what he had to do…….AND he is on third base waiting
This is a new video – just out today. It pulls the ACORN information together real well. This MUST go Viral!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NmaZIdz6Vo&eurl=http://www.justsaynodeal.com/index2.html
Anyone see it?
What can WE do to bring our country closer to the time when we can elect a GREAT president?
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From your question from above…
What is needed is a third viable political party.
A two party democracy is to devisive. It creates a black or white mentality, an either or situation.
With another choice, it brings up the game to a higher stakes and more choice for the citizenry, thus a far far greater president.
#42 LotusBoy
I’m wondering what major gift the Clinton Global Initiative will realize when all is said and done. What did they have to pay the global centerist to go along with the global leftists…this time? Not a matter of public record today to be sure.
#32 TerryDo
Agreed. It shows that Mccain has a good plan. Expensive but, good. I’m all for it.
I think we should make that go viral. Put it out everywhere.
I know I will be pushing that this week.
#47 DancesWith Pumas
Another deep one. From Harvard as well are you?
He’s a disgrace to his white race too… so I guess all bases are covered.
#47 DancesWithPumas – Got you! may be that is what we are helping out in the PUMA world
53 maxgrader
Yes. I was a janitor there.
jeremy
(blowing my nose and wiping my red eyes) i hope u r right!
#48 Jeremy
I like your analogy and agree completely. I think you’re right. Just as McCain says about foreign policy “You don’t announce your strategy,” so I’m sure he is playing it out a certain way and I’d be willing to bet Obama (unknowingly) is falling into McCain’s trap.
#48 Jeremy
Love it.
Damn I wish I hadnt needed to go out.
#57 Ario, you’d better wash your face too… after it’s been in the toilet (YUUCCCKKKKKKK)
I hope Sarah is going to Pa. she packed them in atPensacola today they said people were in line at 7am it was pouring down rain over 10.000 channel 3 she is well liked
#51 alohapuma – I am waiting for Jan’09. Pres. Bill said he will speak up January (not sure which year though 2009 or 2013). May be he will say something. Point is, if he doesn’t day anything, then I can confirm he has something to benefit from.
Rancho on 10.07.08 at 11:19 pm hillfan4mccain on 10.07.08 at 11:16 pm
“Thank God Hannity need some Hannity”
Who though a year ago ANYONE of us would be saying this!!!
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Yeah, I hated hated hated him…….now I am close to being Hannitized. But you know worse than that, if BO wins, then Hannity will be a part of my life. If Mc wins I cant cut Hannity free!
I decided I am not oging to watch the debate for a couple of days. I iwll just get my news from the msm. See how they are presenting the whole thing.
Right now CNN calling it a tie and the ap story make me think McCAin did very well.
im a downer tonite i know…tomorrow is another day…im off to bed!
That’s great, Dances. Proud of you.
#64 snowtiger
I think McCain did better than most realize
karen a brotha is fragile right now!
66 maxgrader
That’s great, Dances. Proud of you.
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lol You goof!
well,lookie here mccain is creaming obama in both the drudge and fox polls..
50 TerryDo
Another rank and file question. Americans are not good at ambiguity! Three choices – hence no black and white would put a good deal of the population in a tailspin.
Why do you think there is such a high level of participation in this election? It’s black and white at every level…every level. BUT hello America. The solutions are not black and white and no one individual will bring about change. Hello!!
Notice how little Obama says about collaboration? His message is simplistic as is most prime time television – meant to speak to a low common denominator. For the record, race has nothing to do with it.
#69 DancesWithPumas
Spoken like a true janitor.
McCain won the debate on issues. The debate was a snoozer over all. I did think McCain’s housing proposal was interesting and was a sign that he wants to help homeowners. Nothing from Bozo except telling us we’re upset like we don’t know that. Not sure why McCain didn’t mention Ayers etc during the terrorist segment. Bozo did his usual talking in circles and uhhhhhhhhhs and repeating Bush/McCain mantra and flip flopped on nuclear energy. Bozo sucks at town halls so no wonder he refused them all year. He likes stump speeches and standing at a podium with note cards and prepared talking points.
#64 snowtiger
And snowtiger… read my post at #1. That comment alone (by McCain) won him a ton of points with voters and BO doesn’t even know that because he’s never been around the armed service people and their families. A Chief Petty Officer is usually someone that makes it to being an Officer by working up from the lowest enlisted rank and up. So that particular person has a ton of experience and knowledge that is base on a lot of common sense too. McCain acknowledged that with his compliment that he learned the most from Chief Petty Officers. The man beamed with a huge smile at that. I guarantee the collective military families out there did as well. And BO doesn’t even know that happened.
#48 Jeremy
That rocked!
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My oldest brother was a kid who could spread the b s with the best of them. When he didn’t know the answer, he knew how to hem and haw and always thought he was comeing off sounding wise.
Obama makes me think of that when he is up against someone who has experience and wisdom to spare, like Hillary or McCain.
Even the CNN focus group would vote for McCain if the election was today.holy Say it anit so MO and Sarah on Larry king tomorrow night.
72 maxgrader
LOL!
got me.
McCain’s housing proposal was Hillary’s…I think. Correct me if I’m wrong.
#63 hillfan4mccainI’m new to Fox. CNN was “my life” for years. I even liked listening to Donna and Howard. I had so much respect for them. I even admit I watched with “glee” as Pelosi became Speaker of the House!
I’ve seen the light, and I’m NOT blinded by “that one” like so many others. IT’S NO LONGER ABOUT HILLARY. IT’S ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF THE PARTY I HAVE KNOWN AND LOVED FOR YEARS. HOW SAD.
Why is MO on Larry King? She isnt on the ticket. Oh, lump them together…get the ‘ladies’ on
PUMAS…we need to start a coalition of the people for reform.
Our first priority would be to shut down ACORN and prosecute those involved in voter fraud.
2nd prosecute and freeze assets of those responsible for the wallstreet mess.
If McCain would just say that he plans to ask the senate and the house to come up with a good health plan, with maybe Hillary driving the bus, he would slap Obama down on that issue.
“The ugly bitch….”
wow…
77 Henerietta
Reminds me of the number in the movie “Chicago”…the tap dance number with Richard Gere. Murphy that would be a cool post.
This is a new video – just out today. It pulls the ACORN information together real well. This MUST go Viral!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NmaZIdz6Vo&eurl=http://www.justsaynodeal.com/index2.html
Anyone see it?
83 DancesWithPumas
Good point. How does MO get on the same stage with the VP nominee???
hispanic…shut down acorn?.. sounds good but are you willing to put your butt on the line out there against them.. you willing to mix it up on the streets with them because they are street fighters and thats where some of the battles will be fought..
“And BO doesn’t even know that happened.”
BO didnt shake his hand either.
Hannity is exposing Obama’s association with terrorists quite nicely in arguing with Gibbs. This should cause undecideds to at least think twice about Obama.
90 alohapuma
They’re ‘only’ women…
Did you guys just see Hannity tell Gibbs off? That was great. Gibbs must be scared to call Hannity a racist
#83 DancesWithPumas – take a break! If Larry could have Ahmedinejad out there, MO is worth it.
The crux of the matter is more people will see MO and continue to assert (as I do) that she would be the worst First Dame in the WH (is the word ‘Dame’ racist or sexist – or shall I call her MODEVI instead)
Interesting article. Doesn’t drive home the obvious point though. They leave it to the reader to connect the dots. At least the information is being put out there FINALLY.
Narcissists Tend to Become Leaders
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/narcissiststendtobecomeleaders
LiveScience.com Tue Oct 7, 4:56 PM ET
Narcissists like to be in charge, so it stands to reason that a new study shows individuals who are overconfident about their abilities are most likely to step in as leaders, be they politicians or power brokers.
However, their initiative doesn’t mean they are the best leaders. The study also found narcissists don’t outperform others in leadership roles.
Narcissists tend to be egotistical types who exaggerate their talents and abilities, and lack empathy for others. The researchers stress that narcissism is not the same as high self-esteem.
“A person with high self-esteem is confident and charming, but they also have a caring component and they want to develop intimacy with others,” said lead researcher Amy Brunell, a psychologist at Ohio State University at Newark. “Narcissists have an inflated view of their talents and abilities and are all about themselves. They don’t care as much about others.”
74 mzebest
Thats good to know. If Mccain can connect with “the common people” more, he will devastate bo. Imo anyway.
Since I have been targeting Hispanics was anything mentioned regarding the Hispanic community?
#79 Dances
Nah, I’m not a gotcha guy. It’s just I like janitors from Harvard, it seems.
You and I fo back a long way. I’ve always enjoyed your musings and dedication to the PUMA cause. I’m glad we’re friends. Together we will help defeat Obama.
Okay, last word is yours if you want it. Goodnight.
Kate Howard @ The Tennessean reports on Cindy McCain’s visit to the Children’s Hospital at Vanderbilt today, where she she described the Obama Campaign as “the dirtiest campaign in American history.”
From Howard’s report:
Cindy McCain said today that she expects her husband to clear the record at tonight’s debate and let America know where he truly stands.
McCain, who stopped to visit a half-dozen children at the Monroe Carell Jr. Children’s Hospital at Vanderbilt today, said the presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama has “waged the dirtiest campaign in American history,” and her husband Sen. John McCain will use tonight’s debate to correct the distortions.
“What I have found is that it’s necessary to make sure the American people understand what we have to say, what we stand for as a husband and wife, and what we will do for the American people if we’re lucky enough to be elected,” Cindy McCain said.
Cindy McCain, who has said she initially did not want her husband to enter the 2008 race after the contentious primary he lost to President George W. Bush, said this race is even nastier.
#84 Hispanic4Hillary
I am with you on that. Lets do it.
#83 DancesWithPumas on 10.07.08 at 11:45 pm
Why is MO on Larry King?
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Probably because BO said that’s who he’d ask for answers on the things he didn’t know. Now if that ain’t SCARY!
god the only thing mccain had to say to obamas nonsense about speaking softly…was to say…” barry…u wasnt speaking softly when u said hillary is likable enough…u wasnt speaking softly when u degraded half the country with your guns and religion diatribe…u wasnt speaking softly when u threw ur own grandmother under the bus…u wasnt speaking softly when u said iran is a tiny country…and u certainly wasnt speaking softly when ur campaigh labeled an honorable past president of the united states a racist…that woulda sealed the deal!
I think I love Obama. He really got me tonight. I am switching my vote………NOT.
94 DancesWithPumas
LOL! Let’s talk about the female perspective…why don’t we? Or better yet…let’s tour their homes and talk to the designers who worked with them….or better yet…let’s talk to their kid’s teachers!!!
What kind of mom is she really…the People (of Unity) want to know….
#84 Hispanic4Hillary on 10.07.08 at 11:45 pm
Where do we sign up?
I never watch CNN I just went there because they said McCain was winning and that is when they said MO and Sarah Palin would be on Larry King tomorrow night. I use to watch them but now they suck
Goodnight max
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96 LotusBoy
Why would you have a potential first lady on the same program as a VP candidate?
No breaks. Took a break for too many years… and the lck of results is clear.
That was some fight with Hannity and Gibbs…
You can’t really compare anyone else to Ayers, I mean…he BOMBED the US Capitol, the Pentagon, NYC police headquarters and 30 other places…
He’s a “terrorist.” You can’t find anyone worse for a presidential candidate to be close to than a “terrorist”–a domestic home-grown terrorist at war with the USA.
#91 osaka puma on 10.07.08 at 11:47 pm hispanic…shut down acorn?.. sounds good but are you willing to put your butt on the line out there against them.. you willing to mix it up on the streets with them because they are street fighters and thats where some of the battles will be fought..
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If we can collect enough money and attorneys yes I would put my ass on the line. I carry a gun and I would not be afraid to use it if I had to.
105 alohapuma
bingo!
hispanics( and asians too) are in a no-mans land politically here in the usa…. as the “other” minorities they havent developed a coherent agenda and dont have as strong a leadership as blacks do.. they have some way to go to yet..they are still taking baby steps
As for what we can do to fix the country to elect a better president….
I think the big thing is to blog more.
We need to wean people away from Big Media. We can’t reform Big Media, all we can do is take away their audience, one by one maybe. Every minute a voter spends on the internet reading blogs or other grassroots material, is one less minute they’re watching ads on Big Media.
We need to get people hanging out at the good centrist sites. Not reading political blogs all the time, but coming to the good guys for their entertainment, and picking up their first news about the news from the good guys.
Moveon.org began as centrist (to defend Bill Clinton in the impeachment) but when the impeachent was over most of the centrists went home to normal non-political interests, and the neo-libs took it over. Maybe only extremists bother to do net root politics till there’s a crisis, and then the centrists are scrambling to catch up.
So we need to do something about this. Make sites like the Oprah network or Martha Stewart’s magazine or Geraldo or the late night comedians, that will get an audience and keep it between crises, when there aren’t any political issues. But run by us raging centrists so that we are ready when there is a crisis, and present our side of things all the time. Well, our middle of things.
but then maybe we need sarahcuda to state the obvious!
102 notfollowinthepiedpiper
LOL!
103 Ario
Amen…he’s GOT to take up the sword for a few minutes of life again. For gawds sake he’s running for President of the United States….it’s not a collaborative effort at this stage of the game.
John is you are watching…move out!!!!
Dick Morris talking about Obama and Ayers said it is something to look at since the papers came last week out and they handed out money to radicalize school children shit I can’t sp no sleep for months does that said it is a real big deal
#73 Sisterluck
I dont now if it was snozer but, I will tell oyu this.
I was debating an “o’ supporter sundy, person to person, and I tiold him why “o” was out of touch.
I call it the “street light” votes. If the street light in fron tof your house is burned out you will vote for the one that will change the bulb.
That plan to save peoples houses will garner a lot of votes for McCain. Not merely the people who are losing their homes but, their relatives as well. You see if your losing your home or oyur parents, sister whoever is losing their home, you really put everything else on the nack burner, Frddi mac? Iraq? The economy overall? WHat do you care if you are one step away from the street? ONe step away from having to take relatives in because they lost their house?
That was nothing but net for McCAin.
Btw there is already a discusion on it over at mylot.
Watch it take off.
112 turndownobama
Yep. Cultivate the audience without the need to satisfy stock holders and advertisers…that means for the love of it.
Wow typo monster got me big time. LoL I didn’t proof that last post
(can you tell?)
ario — good night fragile brother.
I donated to moveon,org when dean was running.
ugh… i feel ill.
Good night Pumas
aloha…mccain has exactly 10 days starting tomorrow to drag barry down…if not …im finished with politics..and will have to strongly consider how i really feel about this country. i refuse to back the usa if obama is elected…i lived through that wimp carter…reagan..bush 1 clinton bush 2 and obama is out of the question for me…
enough with the “ugly bitch” crap.
jeesh.
goodnite murphy!
#108 DancesWithPumas – Well I would agree with you every minute of my life on this point!
But If Sarah and MO come in on the same day, would it not be apparent that questioning them will be indicative of CNN’s love for BO and when Sarah does come in strong, won’t more people see the true Sarah.
On the other hand, MO will show her distrust of anything American. It will be in a nutshell more of the same.
we’ll still be here tomorrow Ario!
and tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow
117 snowtiger
By the same token McCain could lose votes too. The people who aren’t happy about paying off the fat cats who profited from their underhanded ventures, and those who didnt know they couldnt afford the homes they were purchasing.
Palin is the one that has to go out there – again!!! There’s more people that watch her speeches than what probably they had tonight. Does anyone know where she’s headed for tonight?
#119 DancesWithPumas
*slap*
There guilt all gone?
124 LotusBoy
I think it demeans Governor Palin (and, NO, I am not a Republican). Why not Michelle Obama and Cindy McCain together?
i should have sent seantor an article he could have found most useful in the debate tonigh to attack mis-eduators such as bill ayers who are more interested in ideology rhater than educating kids..
a typical but poignant example of the results of libeeal policy on education is what has recently occured in the san francisco scoll district which foir decades has held annual testing for measuring academic achievement of its students.. the results both shocked and deeply disturbed the educators of the district.. for the first time in testing history a key demographic group actually scored lower than “special education” students.. all groups excet black students made some advancement..blacks in fact fell back to a leve lower than the districts special education students. this is a wake up call that liberal policies are an abject failure
123 Ario
McCain…move out if you want this thing. Dig deep and claim it because now it the hour.
Ario…I haven’t been around as many bends as you…but I’ve been around a few…put my money and time where my mouth is….if Obama wins, I’ll go one way or the other (speaking of black and white thinking). Either I’ll give up on trying to making a difference or I’ll be one of those flies in the room that can not be swatted down.
turndownobama #110 — i agree!
I was thinking about that all day.
I was thinking we could have a news program podcast. totally puma — serious and informative — but fun too.
just politics and national affairs to start off.
It would be difficult to do a daily show, but that would be best.
maybe start out with 2-3 x per week.
whaddya think?
Anybody know how the CNN graphs looked when McCain talked about that mortgage bailout?
128 snowtiger
Try a bullet next time.
119 snowtiger
“Wow typo monster got me big time. LoL I didn’t proof that last post (can you tell?)”
I didn’t notice.
Puma people….three words for you tonight:
Ignore the Polls!!!
I have been calling for Mccain for 1 week now…I do not think the polls are accurate….
Don’t lose sleep–we need you to work tomorrow…
McCain can’t seem to whip his ass, but Palin will….
That one is going to fall soon,and hopefully his descent will stop only once he has reached rock bottom…
IGNORE THE POLLS…
Call, flyer, write letters, do the prowls…TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS!! I got two converts today by accident…..
oh, and pray. it never hurts
And this one is for Ario….you can join my new group of Un-Americans….I agree that if BO is America I am the opposite of that…
#130 osaka puma
Are you in education? I just got a “glossy” 4 page color endorsement from CTA endorsing Obama.
You could do a daily show with hosts of, more or less, equal knowledge and interest… you and a couple of other bright articulate women could alternate.
alohapuma — Socrates was the person the Greeks invented the word “gadfly” for, so you’ll be in good company.
or he would have been.
#129 DancesWithPumas – yes, that is the ideal setting.
But MSM is in an abyss of Kool-aid and nothing can change that.
It demeans her but she needs to go there and kick some butt – like the Mahadevi act as the picture above depicts.
You win hands down and after tomorrow’s interview Sarah will be way ahead
126 DancesWithPumas
Maybe. BUt I dont think so. There always issues that are upm or down with voters. If you are losing your house it is an easy up or down. You vote for the person who will help you keep it.
I don’t think the whole bailout issue is that easy. One way or another there will be a bailout. Too many details to concern most people. McCAins plan for saving peoples homes is simple and direct.
That is what most people ,I am sorry to say, want. A complex issue turned into a simple solution.
dwp — yeah. how about you?
Sheri would probly be up for it.
Murphy or anyone…
Does anyone have the Acorn diagram at justsaynodeal on jpeg? I started to convert is, but way to complicated for my time frame.
Anyone have it on jpeg? Doing three-fold flyers and want to put it in the center.
Thanks
#3 DancesWithPumas
President Hillary Rodham Clinton
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I agree Dances………………. these two boys are a real let down.
Just watched the debate, talked long distance to my son who for the first time changed his vote from obie to McCain (probably, from what his mom has told him about obie’s corruption, and got in a heated argument with his first long time love………….),
but have to say, it was not the ‘fight and take down I was hoping to see’. Two men acting like they are in Dancing with the Stars isn’t my idea of a leader. I want an Alpha male, not anthing this soft………
Of course I liked McCain more, but I don’t think he changed many minds tonight.
I actually think McCain could be a great President. He is a straight talker not a schmoozer so it will take awhile for people to figure out he is doing a great job. He has already lived an amazing life and there is no reason for him to want to do anything more than retire peacefully with his wife, kids and grandkids. I think he is running because he sees things about the country he could fix. But he loves our country and doesn’t want to change the parts that work. Just a tune up to optimize.
However I would have thought Hillary would have been a great President also. She also loves the country. She would have brought a woman’s perspective which has obviously been sorely lacking for a very long time, and if the Dems cling to power it will be sorely lacking in the future. Hillary was also a Republican when she was young and so I think her centrist attitude is real. No one is going to be great who clings to dogma Bush has stuck with neocon dogma and nearly run the country into the ground, the worst thing that could happen is to swing the complete other direction and cling to left wing dogma. What the Republicans haven’t bankrupted with their military industrial complex corruption and graft the liberal wingnuts will bankrupt with their social program graft and corruption of ambition. Could we please just have a centrist?
rancho.. one of my old college friends from UC berkeley is a prominent journalist in the field of education.. i get the inside stuff from him
Murphy…thanks….I’m absolutely in good company…present included
If Omygodno cheats his way into teh White House, I’ll have to suffer through an entire first term… but, then I’ll be ready for retirement and can go live any place I desire.
134 DancesWithPumas
Rofl. I was just trying to help.:)
No bullet you are a super puma and foot soldiers like me depend on you.
acorn offices raided by the fbi in NV per Greda
#143 alohapuma on 10.08.08 at 12:08 am
Murphy or anyone…
Does anyone have the Acorn diagram at justsaynodeal on jpeg? I started to convert is, but way to complicated for my time frame.
Anyone have it on jpeg? Doing three-fold flyers and want to put it in the center.
Thanks
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I tried the same thing because it is such a great graphic. When you copy it from the website it comes in pieces……..I gave up after hours of work pasting each graphic into a flyer and trying to make the text large enough to read.
I was able to save the page as a pdf, but you can’t read the text, it is too small.
dances.. if God forbid..obama steals the presidency our battle will only have just begun..thats when the real opposition starts
142 murphy
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ahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalololol
no, but seriously. Sheri would be good. Riverdaughter would be good too… bright, insightful (as long as she didnt bring her entire crew along… not that they arent bright and articulate… but it feels almost hermetically sealed…) I’ll be the board op
#130 osaka puma – I am going to sign off after this post.
In OBlahBlah presidency schools are going to teach students to sing the praise of the chosen, they will learn to fondle themselves (the way Michael Jackson allegedly taught some Neverland kids), they will know anatomy before they learn the barney finger song and all steps successfully taken in South side of Chicago schools will be taken national. We will have Douglas school of Maryland all over in USA.
I say all this shit to get my point over to PUMA’s to continue this necessary NOBAMA movement
I’ll be the first to admit there are good and bad apples in both parties. However, as a repub – please forgive me for saying this- I have to laugh when I see people talk about Hannity… about Fox…. about Rush…. and how biased CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC are…. I laugh because Fox, Hannity, Rush, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC.. they haven’t changed. They have, perhaps gotten more out in the open with some things, but they haven’t changed really. Pelosi…. hmmm, no real change there either. Dean either…. or Albright or Claire McK either. I’m not saying you’ve been changed into repubs… I’m saying that now, perhaps for the first time, you are seeing what some of us have been saying for a long time- at least those of us who have been seeing clearly that there is no one party who is ALWAYS right and no one party that is ALWAYS wrong… but that there seems to be an agenda in the democratic leadership, and in the MSM, that is not out for the good of America and Americans, but only for themselves.
This is a new video – just out today. . . Acorn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NmaZIdz6Vo&eurl=http://www.justsaynodeal.com/index2.html
152 osaka puma
Okay… but I really would like a short vacation… just to punctuate the two stages of our campaign.
lotus boy.. under obama public schools wil vie for the title of dumb and dumber..
151 BillieJo
I feel better. I spent quite a bit of time on it too.
I think the graphic has to stand on it’s own, the bullet points with the text in another section..using reference numbers or something.
Dances…would you consider doing something with this…you are sooooo good at it.
I have been thinking this same thing and no one brings it up to challenge BO about the war issue…..so I copied a post from Greta that says it pretty good…….
“Why is it that no one is picking up on the fact that everytime Obama talks about Afghanastan, and sending troops there, all that means is that the troops in Iraq are NOT coming home – they are just going to another country. There will be NO savings for the budget because he’ll have to spend it in another country. He’s lying to the country about bringing troops home or saving money. Yet another Obama deflection. Lame.”
#155 KarenWI
I agree but being an independent I kept my mouth shut. I saw the bias decades ago.
dances.. how about a nice tropical beach where you can get snockered on corona and eat shrimp and lobster ..
I saw my dermatologist today. He is the brother of our Rep. Steve Kagen (D). Both are huge supporters of BO and follow the “party line” very closely. Dr Charles Kagen told me today that both parties are getting just as many illegal votes done… and that the end result is a wash. I told him that Acorn is more connected witht the sitting dems that the repubs, but he insisted that it’s a “wash”. When I left he said to me “vote…. and vote frequently”. I guess he’s telling all his patients that as he walks out the door…. (sigh)….
#143
alohapuma
acorn is already on jpg here:
http://justsaynodeal.com/sitebuilder/images/acorn_white2-246×377.jpg
is that what you’re looking for?
Does any one know a blogger here : kevin k ?
Am making labels. Don’t sound familiar. Thanks
151 BillieJo
That graphic is brilliant. But I think you might be better off replicating the content rather than trying to duplicate the original.
Take teh concept and make your own… but credit the source of the creator of the orginal
164 Nijma
LOL… That’s just the acorn. I was looking for the whole diagram in jpeg. Thanks though.
165 freddiebrown
yes…
He seems okay…
in and out here…
karenWI.. call your obama worshipping derma a “pimple popper md”
#163 KarenWI – I signed off but this was too tempting to ignore
I think you need a new dermatologist. Please let me know if I have to look at some alternative doctors.
This one should be passed over. Cause I think he did not act like a sane citizen
Ignore the polls
People actually showing up and being willing to wait in line to vote will be what ultimately matters.
Let’s ALL help Freddie get her posters distributed over the next two weeks — especially in swing states!
* leave one wherever you go
* hand them out EVERYWHERE
* shy? mail them out with a handwritten note and PUMA election slate for your state to everyone you have ever known, including your neighbors (do a reverse address search for their names)
Let’s do all we can to help Freddie
162 osaka puma
I don’t drink, but I’m up for the rest of that menu.
Belize… belize…belize.
#132 murphy on 10.08.08 at 12:04 am
turndownobama #110 — i agree!
I was thinking about that all day.
I was thinking we could have a news program podcast. totally puma — serious and informative — but fun too.
just politics and national affairs to start off.
It would be difficult to do a daily show, but that would be best.
maybe start out with 2-3 x per week.
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I hadn’t thought about radio. It has worked well for the rightwingers for a long time. Is this something our audience could listen to in their cars or at work etc, or do people need a computer or have to phone in to hear it? What about ipod? Podcast?
I think even just a short thing would get people in the habit of listening to us. I think if it could be M-F that would be great for forming the habit. Remember Paul Harvey with a short syndicated news commentary that came on every day at noon, iirc?
160 1of18MilforHill08
Too true. Imve been using that argument to show how he can’t afford to fund his projects. Also think on this. We are spending ten billion a week in Iraq. Or so Biden claims. Now most people would believe if we bring the troops home we would save ten billion a week? Right? Wrong. We still have to pay the military upkeep the equipment, have them train etc etc etc.
The ten biliion savings a transparent lie. IDK how much we would actually save however.
Some one smarter than me should take that up and see what they can find out and calculate.
#165 freddiebrown
Freddie . . can I bump my request from 50 to 100? I feel a spirt of energy. Where are they coming from? (You have my address)
Dances and BillieJo,
A powerful visual connecting the dots between Obama, Ayers, Freddie, Fannie, Acorn, Dodd, Raines…
PLUS
The tapes of Congressional hearings in 2004 over the home lending crisis…is persuasive…don’t you think?
I have a questions for PUMAs. Has anyone been asked by any of the national polls who they will vote for?
If not, has any PUMA been asked?
My thoughts are if the answer is no, then PUMAs are not represented in the polls.
What if the polls are also taking into account how we are registered to vote, or have voted in the past. IE: I am a registered Democrat, but I will vote to McCain. My vote might be counted in the polls as a Democrat. They only sample x amount of people.
If those people do not include cross over PUMAs, then we are not the undecided group, we would be included in the Democrats counted for Obie.
If this is true, then Obama’s vote count percentage is 7-8 million less that will come out in the wash as “people that changed their minds in the voting booth because they didn’t want a black president”. Oh, excuse me, “racists”.
What do you guys think?
151 BillieJo on 10.08.08 at 12:12 am #143 alohapuma on 10.08.08 at 12:08 am
Murphy or anyone…Does anyone have the Acorn diagram at justsaynodeal on jpeg? I started to convert is, but way to complicated for my time frame.
Anyone have it on jpeg? Doing three-fold flyers and want to put it in the center.
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Murphy works with the GSND group also, why don’t you ask Murphy to request a copy of their graphic, I am sure they would be pleased to send her the file…
#176 alohapuma on 10.08.08 at 12:22 am
Dances and BillieJo,
A powerful visual connecting the dots between Obama, Ayers, Freddie, Fannie, Acorn, Dodd, Raines…
PLUS
The tapes of Congressional hearings in 2004 over the home lending crisis…is persuasive…don’t you think?
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I agree, I was hoping that Murphy could ask someone at Just Say No Deal if they could possibly put that graphic into a flyer we could download.
I’ve got to get off now …but I’ll repost tomorrow…anyone have a jpeg of the justsaynodeal acron diagram…it would be much appreciated.
gnight all.
#177 BillieJo
I agree. I believe the odems have a fallback in this. Once bo loses they will use the “racist” argument in ways we can’t see to push for a new agenda.
It is a mistake to believe people have only one reason for the things they do.
I dont understand why is Mo going to be on with Sarah?
Is she running for office? Is she the future VP? If Sarah was a man would mo be on? Shouldnt it be mo and cindy?
169 osaka puma
karenWI.. call your obama worshipping derma a “pimple popper md
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Too bad he isnt a puma, she could refer to him as a
Puma Pac Pimple Popping Puma
#166 DancesWithPumas on 10.08.08 at 12:17 am
151 BillieJo
That graphic is brilliant. But I think you might be better off replicating the content rather than trying to duplicate the original.
Take teh concept and make your own… but credit the source of the creator of the orginal
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It’s just words without their great graphics. The graphics make it easy to follow and appealing. I have seen others that are more simple, but not as nice.
618 Ario I pretty much feel the same way you do, Ario.
Hey, Osaka, i thought you were bathing the dog and missing it again. LOL
Dances – Thank you.
Several folks forgot to send addresses. Hmm.
Rancho – will do.
Greta talking about ACORN in Nevada – Get them
179 BillieJo
If you get anything would you let me know?
alohapuma at geemale dot com…..thanks!!!
#183 DancesWithPumas
I shoulda known~~~got a phone call and when I came back there I was talking to myself downstairs. I just don’t keep up with thread changes very well.
179 BillieJo
You seem to have a relationship with Will Bower, why not ask him?
dances.. can you repeat that please..hehe
Breaking news on FOX———thousands of fraudulent voter registrations in Nevada.
Ok, I missed something here… Is Sarah Palin supposed to be on somewhere and Michelle Obama on too? If so, what?
STATEMENT FROM HILLARY CLINTON ON TONIGHT’S PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE
Hillary Clinton issued the following statement responding to tonight’s presidential debate:
“Tonight’s debate proved once again that an Obama-Biden Administration will provide the fresh start America so desperately needs.
“The biggest risk for American families is four more years of the last eight years and mavericks in charge of the United States economy. Mavericks in Washington and on Wall Street got us into this mess.
“As we saw, Senator Obama displayed beyond a doubt that he understands both the gravity of the financial crisis facing America, and the challenges we face in Iraq and around the world. Senator McCain offered only more of the same failed policies of the Bush Administration. It’s time for a change.”
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Just found this on greta wire.
mountainsong… my dog watched the debate with me!
freddie . . where they coming from? When can we expect them? I’m soo excited. Thank you so much for the gift of your energy and creativity.
I don’t know if they will be on together they will both be on maybe one after the other who knows
Where is MO supposed to be on with Sarah? What’s up with that.? Is MO like a co-candidate?
#35MZEBEST – In the last few days I have noticed that you keep advising against the polls and give the impression that YOU KNOW something more than the rest of us – please share if you personally have some inside information – would love to hear it.
KarenWI – I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment of the situation tonight.
Now back to lurking
188 emme
Please… do not encourage me in that vane (vein?, veign?)
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osaka
ten times fast, right?
Thanks, pal.
Freddie ive seen kevin k on here several different times……I think he is ok.
#183 DancesWithPumas on 10.08.08 at 12:25 am
169 osaka puma
karenWI.. call your obama worshipping derma a “pimple popper md
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Too bad he isnt a puma, she could refer to him as a
Puma Pac Pimple Popping Puma
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Or perhaps a pugnacious putrescent Puma Pac pimple popping puma
LOL Osaka Who’s ur dog like?
#192 Greenfun… I thought that earlier this evening I caught the tail end of a trailer running on the bottom of fox saying something like 1800 registered voters somewhere and only 6 were real? Is that what you’re referring to? Does anyone know anything about the 1800 with only 6 real people?
Better watch out… Acorn is going to get Osaka’s dog registered to vote…..
202 snowtiger Dang!! Putrescent? Do you have to use those 10 dollar words?
gogandalf
why are you lurking?
are you at another party and looking at the monitor over the host’s shoulder? a funeral (god forbid)?
#101 Ario on 10.07.08 at 11:51 pm
god the only thing mccain had to say to obamas nonsense about speaking softly…was to say…” barry…u wasnt speaking softly when u said hillary is likable enough…u wasnt speaking softly when u degraded half the country with your guns and religion diatribe…u wasnt speaking softly when u threw ur own grandmother under the bus…u wasnt speaking softly when u said iran is a tiny country…and u certainly wasnt speaking softly when ur campaigh labeled an honorable past president of the united states a racist…that woulda sealed the deal!
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Ario, I agree with how you feel…just remember that McCain is a republican and he isn’t going to defend Hillary too much and upset his own base. We are the democrats that will have to push for impeachment based on voter fraud and delegate intimidation if obie wins. Maybe we will be too busy trying to find a job and standing in bread lines.
194 gumbykat
If that’s true, I think Hillary just lost me after 12 years of fulltime support. The Democrats blocked regulation in Congress four years ago… Frank, Meeks, Waters.
So disappointed. My love for Hillary got me into this movement in the first place.
205 KarenWI Could be! I once knew a guy who had a black Lab named Bruno. He listed Bruno on his food stamps and on his income taxes.
Or perhaps a pugnacious putrescent Puma Pac pimple popping puma
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What can we do? Everyone needs to spend time finding out who is backing any potential candidate for presidency, doing a lot of investigation, and writing credible books and papers about their backgrounds BEFORE they try to run for Presidency.
It’s not easy…I feel like they hid BO like a Trojan Horse untill right before the election so that there was very little time to investigate, and then sprung him on us by any means necessary. Possibly planned as soon as it was suspected that Hillary was really going to run for Presidency. “Oh, that will be the best time to run a Minority candidate.” etc, etc. God help us if he wins, if Hannity is correct.
The thing is to know: who the backers are, what their reasons to get someone in office are, who the possible candidates are, and where the money is coming from- IN ADVANCE.
It still astounds me that there are people that say “I don’t trust Hillary Clinton”, and DO say that they trust BO- in the face of all this. Her life has practically been a glass house. Are they really serious? They can’t be. So far, nobody has yet been able to tell me exactly WHY they don’t trust Hillary. I just can’t believe the people of America are so easily lead by ad campaigns.
“Eurasia is at war with East Asia. Eurasia has ALWAYS been at war with East Asia.”
#206 mountainsong
I will warn you once and only once. I have a thesaurus and know how to use it.
Btw, whats another word for thesaurus?
dances.. you do need a vacation..hehehe
We have only had a financial crisis for a few days and one of my best friends just lost his job, and I was told that maybe the University would have to start layoffs of staff if things get worse in Calif.
Gotta go make popcorn…………the party is over for my hero, but the protest has just begun.
I’m not a big fan of country music; however, I love the lyrics to this song.
God Bless the USA. Please stand up and say NOBAMA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q65KZIqay4E
snow.. thesaurus.. sounds like a gay dinosaur..hahahaha
#211 DancesWithPumas
Rofl.
Where is MO supposed to appear with Sarah? Or is that just a rumor?
Ummm, George, with all this voter fraud, I think it’s about time for you to suspend the election, huh?
We could bake our own bread in Belize… build straw bale or hob houses and similar ovens…
swim… catch fish with our bare hands… eat termites and lizards for protein.. (termites taste like carrots)…
sleep on the beach in the warmer seasons… january / feb… read and blog all day long in the rainy season.
“They”, are trying to convince us that Mac is losing and BO is inevitable. There is plenty enough money and influence behind BO to rig polls, stage large gatherings, put words into pundits mouths and give talking points to the media.
The only thing they can’t actually do is make enough people cast their votes to elect obama. So, we are seeing voter fraud and manipulation of the publics’ opinion. I think the low turnout in Ohio for absentee voters is significant. The obama campaign recieved 20,000 (at least) less voters than anticipated. This election may very well go to John McCain in a big way. American’s are no fools and the longer the Teflon man is in the public eye the more people will re-think.
BillieJo–do you have a copy of the link to that ACORN graphic?
#217 osaka puma lol
#220… now I know why I’ve never liked carrots…. if they taste just like termites…
#18 Rancho on 10.07.08 at 11:18 pm Keep voting!
“that one” still ahead by over 200 votes!
http://www.newsnet5.com/index.html
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well it went to 800 already. Obviously Obama bots load the votes.
#216 Sisterluck
Do you know what happens when you play country music backwards?
dances.. sounds youll get a lot of time to catch up on some good reading too..take along some good books
215 BillieJo
Iheard eBay layed off 1 million plus employees… staggering number…which makes my think I heard wrong.
I am very disappointed in the Clintons…….I just don’t understand how anything they could get from this man could be more important than our country. They know who and what bozo represents……..Pelosi,Dean,Brazille,
……..I just dont get it.
On Larry King tomorrow night
your truck starts up, your wife and dog return…?
212 Xtine000
To be honest….tonight I don’t trust Hillary either. I feel she’s leaving us twisting in the wind and supporting a global thug….I just don’t know exactly why.
Hillary is a centerist as is McCain. If she was silent at this point it would be ok…right now she looks like a puppet on a string…and it’s very very disappointing.
#221 CyberFerret52
Thyey did they same thing with HIllary if everyone recalls.
Difference this time they don’t have the republican power structure under their thumb.
Btw, I heard something very interesting today. It seems that Moveon. org was a driving force n getting Dean his position. Imagine that.
#226 mountainsong on 10.08.08 at 12:37 am
haha, no but I can’t wait to hear…
#96 snowtiger
What was said today in Univision is that about 12% of new registered voters in CA are legal residents or illegals immigrants.
tennasee.. ya know what the clintons gave it their best shot.. eh leave em in peace..they have good intentions
#194 gumbykat on 10.08.08 at 12:28 am
Who do they think they’re fooling? Same stale mindless blurb we’ve been hearing forever about “that one”. It was written a LONG time ago. Just sending it out for tonight’s debate.
To answer the question…Hillary!!!!!!!!!!! I can’t wait till she is back again
TT, it’s the party. Party loyalty. I still think (just as I did when Hillary first threw in the towel) that she’d do better as an independent than as a dem… I mean, the dem. leadership are, well, words escape me. But it’s loyalty to the party that’s keeping her and Bill saying what they are saying….
231 DancesWithPumas Yeya, and you get your wife back, your dog back, your job back your house back
Tonight’s debate proved once again that an Obama-Biden Administration will provide the fresh start America so desperately needs.
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oh good god…
hillary…hillary…hillary
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236 osaka puma
leave em in peace…if they would just be quiet. The are peddling the devotion of many truthful concerned people. Not OK and they need to stop!
167 alohapuma
would a screenshot work?
go to pumapac.wordpress.com
aloha.. i knoww.. i know.. im bummed out about that too
nijima…I’ll try it
#240 mountainsong on 10.08.08 at 12:41 am 231 DancesWithPumas Yeya, and you get your wife back, your dog back, your job back your house back
LOL. Add to that kick Bozo back to the Chicago curb and I will be a huge fan of backwards country music.
billie jo,
As to PUMAs not showing up in polls. The last poll I saw, soon after the convention, showed about 1/4 of Hillary’s supporters planning to vote for McCain and 1/4 planning to protest by staying home. So if they’re only polling ‘likely voters’, then these people will be disregarded.
Also a lot of Democrats left the party this summer. So if the pollster begins by asking what party you’re in, then only asks the Democrats if they supported Hillary, the Pumas who left the party won’t be asked.
Osaka see#194.
Just don’t get it though… besides party loyalty.. I mean, what would it gain for Hillary if BO won? Ok, maybe secretary of something (but I doubt it), or supreme court – or Bill on Supreme court… but that isn’t the presidency! She’d be out for 2012 then. BO would be running for reelection, or else Biden would be running as a former VP. How does a BO win help Hillary get the presidency? Can ANYTHING think of ANY way it could?
tennasee.. re #194..yeah..sad really sad..
#165 Freddie
Hi- just saw your post before heading to bed. I’m not on all that often, but I exist! Have a good nite.
Clintons are done. Their time has come and gone and they are just riding Obama’s coattails now., Kinda reminded me of Michael Jordan’s or Muhammed Ali’s dismal comebacks. Hillary backtracked and dumped us all to save her position in the Senate. She can pay off her own debts and I’ll pay mine. Oh, that’s right. I don’t have any.
At this point I don’t care in Sarah Palin has two heads and smokes pot on the weekends….my vote is AGAINST Obama and for a massive cleanup at the DNC.
Rancho – trying to send it off tomorrow if all goes well. Priority Mail – normally takes 3 working days.
I just do a little – you guys are the inspiration.
246 Sisterluck LOL, I wanna deport him back to where he came from~~~~if we can ever figure out just where that is.
Tonite’s debate: the most telling moment was Obama’s non-answer to the “zen-like” question:
“What do you NOT know?”
My ex husband & Obama supporter happened to be here when that question was asked & answered, and he laughed & looked sheepish because he knew Obama’s answer was so inadequate!
There good intentions could give us a communist for president, people listen to them.
#252 mountainsong
AMEN! I’m done with Hillary and the DNC. Hillary sold out and I really hope we learn exactly why. Probably won’t come out anytime soon….but I still say the Clinton Global Initiative got something grand in the bargain.
Ok g’night for real.
235 ElyLos Angeles
People are underestimating the Latino vote.
Everywhere in Norcal there is a definite nobama vibe.
SOmeone told me that the race is tightening here according to pols. Obi won canoli is down to a 12 % lead.
If the Hispanic community goes big for McCAIn it could swing the state.
Thye went Bush twice even though polls had them going for Kery. I have two bandannas that say Chicana power on them I am giving out saturday. Along with the “Its a girl” button to couple of young ladies I know.
I’m also trying to enlist a young man I now who is very active in his student government at college.
Currently he is foring a CHicano group at his college and is fighting to make sure all people are going to be allowed to join.Not just Hispanics.
He will be a real leader some day. Proud of his heritage in a positive way. Wants to share it with everyone else.
What do you NOT know?
Obama: How to take the cotton outta my ears and put it in my mouth?
the japanese are perfecting life like robots.. check out this little girl they just built..
heres the link:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1777667.ece
#221 Cyber
Well said!
261 osaka puma OMG!!! Ya mean Obama is a Japanese robot? Is that why all his people are called Obots?
ON ABC – George Stepfordwife – gave the debate of course to BO – Strategy – Style ACCURACY of comments – and Winner of Debate – how can anyone saying he is a journalist say that – NIGHTLINE -
Off to bed – yes Dances – no power most of yesterday and Company over tonight – they did not think that that the knock out punch was there -
mounatinsong..that little girl robot i swear looks real
Sweet Dreams Pumas,stay safe.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=AR4PQ30VkBk
#222greenfun and
167 alohapuma
problems posting here. I uploaded it to the pumapac.wordpress.org
is that what you’re looking for?
mountainsong.. obots are more like skanky little gremlins than robots hehe
#260 mountainsong, lol…
goodnite, alohapuma! sorry I missed ya, it’s been a while.
I’m just curious. Are there puma’s here who post on greta wire? I always see where people there say they supported Hillary, but are now for McCain.
I must go. Goodnight all.
Stay strong.
“I yield not, I fight”.
Did anybody see that news item a couple weeks back where Bill Clinton was quoted as saying he had been asked to go get the “cracker” vote for Obama?
sweet dreams, snowtiger…
One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, Redux
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJrBhtnQ42U
(Please tell me you have all watched this. omg.lol.)
take heart folks on the debate.. mccain creamed obama on drudge and fox polls which had huge samples
Dances – I tried to be completely not biased when listening to Terry Moran and George Stepforwife talk about the debate – and IF I WERE the average Joe 6 Pack and did not know what I know about BO and listening to them talk and with hope of change and hearing them say that everything BO said was right on and they should know because they have all the facts – I would probably go with their flow – how sad it has gotten for our country because of the media..How sad
Good night
kat.. i love that movie.. i havent seen it in about 30 years
Thought these were interesting:
Governor not worried about Rezko / Feds checking out Rezko story
http://blogs.suntimes.com/rezko/
Henry M. Paulson Jr.
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/p/henry_m_jr_paulson/index.html?inline=nyt-per
Do they ever say who the fraudulent votes are for?
shasta, speaking of voter fraud, I’ve heard “both sides” are “lawyering up” for the election. Guess that means it will be a close race and/or both sides suspect cheating.
Wave of new Colorado voters registered : Elections : The Rocky …Sep 30, 2008 … ACORN registered 1800 new voters in Washington. The only trouble was, with the exception of six, all of the names submitted were fake. …
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/sep/30/wave-of-new-colorado-voters-registered/ – 102k – Cached – Similar pages
I still don’t get why McCain didn’t mention Ayers and Acorn and the link to the housing disaster then to the economic disaster all linked to our national security. He can’t leave all this crap up to Palin. Is McCain just too uncomfortable to attack or what? It’s time to lay it all on the line. Time is ticking on this Obomb that is about to blow up America!
274 kat in your hat OMG!!! ROFL What HAS this world come to?
#272 hillstheone
Did anybody see that news item a couple weeks back where Bill Clinton was quoted as saying he had been asked to go get the “cracker” vote for Obama?
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Yes, I saw that. Was he refering to white people? Or was it something to do with the Jewish vote since he was waiting until after the Jewish holiday?
gohillary… maybe ACORN was registering aspen trees there in colorful colorado
Totally done with Hillary. She’s lost my respect. To think I really believed in her, campaigned hard for her and substantially gave monetary support makes me sick now.
Sisterluck, I agree totally. A republican friend of mine emailed me last week and said of the last debate, “McCain is just too nice.”
On the other hand perhaps it is good to have the VP be the more attack-dog of the two, I believe this is what Biden tries to do.
#50 TerryDo: Yes that is a great suggestion. At least a third party is needed because the two party system is divisive. But 4th and 5th parties would be good to as it would force coalitions of the different groups which would tend to pull them toward moderation.
I keep getting bumped off the computer by homework doing teenagers!
274 kat in your hat
rotflmao
too much!
#259 snowtiger
We have to target the Hispanics since they can make a difference for McCain. The Polls are innacurate since some Dems, are against BOBO and are going to vote Rep.
Today I sent my Registration to change Party and at the same time I convinced my mom and one of my brothers. So these are 3 more votes that are not in the polls and so many more.
288 Seattlegirl But could it happen in our lifetimes?
gumbykat,
I thought the term originated when Huey Long was Governor of Lousiana but I could be mistaken. I think (but not sure), that he was referring to the term “cracker” as someone uneducated, from the south. And perhaps Clinton was being sarcastic / cynical, i.e., “yeah, they send me out to pull in voters who are uneducated or of low income.”
That’s just a guess, though. If my guess is correct then I’d say Bill Clinton’s sense of humor has gotten pretty dark these days.
Obama’s lead over McCain narrows in ABC/Post poll
Tue Oct 7, 2008
http://pumasunleashed.wordpress.com/
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama leads Republican John McCain by 50 percent to 46 percent among likely voters in a new ABC News/Washington Post poll, down from a 9-point edge a week earlier.
The new poll released on Tuesday was conducted Saturday through Monday, after the candidates met in their first debate on Friday.
#177 BillieJo : Actually I have been called twice by pollsters and I did not pick up the phone when I saw who it was. Now I feel bad about that cause I blew my chance to be heard.
This is an obvious ego justification for FRAUD. voter fraud. I would not touch this with a 20 foot pole. Honesty is the only correct decision in all cases. The ego will always say to be dishonest.
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#163 KarenWI on 10.08.08 at 12:17 am
I saw my dermatologist today. He is the brother of our Rep. Steve Kagen (D). Both are huge supporters of BO and follow the “party line” very closely. Dr Charles Kagen told me today that both parties are getting just as many illegal votes done… and that the end result is a wash. I told him that Acorn is more connected witht the sitting dems that the repubs, but he insisted that it’s a “wash”. When I left he said to me “vote…. and vote frequently”. I guess he’s telling all his patients that as he walks out the door…. (sigh)….
The Clintons are going to be around for a looooong time.
274 kat in you hat
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!
One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, Redux
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJrBhtnQ42U
#292 hiiltheone
gumbykat,
I thought the term originated when Huey Long was Governor of Lousiana but I could be mistaken. I think (but not sure), that he was referring to the term “cracker” as someone uneducated, from the south. And perhaps Clinton was being sarcastic / cynical, i.e., “yeah, they send me out to pull in voters who are uneducated or of low income.”
That’s just a guess, though. If my guess is correct then I’d say Bill Clinton’s sense of humor has gotten pretty dark these days.
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You know when I heard it I thought it was odd that no one said anything. I had only heard it used on tv when a black person would call a white person cracker. I just assume Clinton was talking about white people so nobody really gave a poop.
#291 mountainsong : Yes I think a multi-party system could happen very soon. Because I do believe there is an over riding plan to life. Our individual lives and collectively too. We don’t know what to make of what happens in our lives right as soon as it happens. So I hate to say this but BO could win. The country is already in an economic recalibration which will be very painful for many BO will lurch us to the extreme left which will be another disaster. And people will be fed up with both wack job ends of the political spectrum and both parties will then be defined by their extremes. That sets up the situation for new constructive political groups. PUMA is already organized and could easily become one of the new parties. I think if BO wins it will happen fast. If BO loses the Dems will be going through some extreme changes and remember McCain was considered as a running mate for Kerry, many Republicans hate him.
Grrrr! more kids needing computer, Goodnight PUMAs!
#274 kat in your hat
thanks for the laugh!! i needed that
I keep getting call from the reseach polls asking or my daughter by name. When I state she is not in they ask or the youngest male voter in the house, I tell them I am the only one home and they don’t want my answer. It freaky the ask for the voter by name.
#295 GoHillaryGo, your comment seems to go well w/my comment #280.
Yes both sides are corrupt as hell, it would seem…!
#267 nijma——I’m sorry, but where exactly do I find it? Is it the action page?
Thanks.
#222greenfun and
167 alohapuma
problems posting here. I uploaded it to the pumapac.wordpress.org
is that what you’re looking for?
pelize belize…
Okay. Too tired to stay busy to avoid dealing…
I’m dragging myself and my multilevel identity crisis to bed.
Goodnight all. Thnaks for the company. Thanks for the fun.
The acorn diagram is on the just say now deal page
#298 gumbykat,
Yes I believe it could be used that way also, in any event I believe it is a term referring to people with white skin who are low on the income or educational rung, kind of like the term “redneck.”
However I too, was surprised nobody in the media commented on it since they love to slam the Clinton’s and it seemed to be an easy target for them. Odd?
nite-nite, dances…
greenfun
http://justsaynodeal.com/acorn.html
Apparently someone called the FBI on Acorn in Nevada. I think some of us should call the FBI on Acorn in other places. I forget what their requirements are…has to be requested and credible. Go to their site, they will have the details.
hills,
night,hon
Not to change the subject.. I clicked on a Utube that someone here posted. A small group of African American folks were heckling Obama in Florida on Sept 19. He was at a rally or something. They were holding up a sign saying’what have you done for the black community’ or something to that effect.
I have not heard anything about this prior to yesterday.
Did anyone hear about it ?
I thought it was great that some of the AA community finally woke up and realise that Uncle Obama ain’t gonna do squat for you. He already knows he’s got the AA community on day 1 and by his actions in Chicago he does not really care about them.
greenfun
http://justsaynodeal.com/acorn.html
It’s posted in teh Media Articles section of the Action Center… second oen down, left hand side, just below Obama Associates, for future reference.
313 freddiebrown
I remember that… a month or 6 weeks…or maybe it was a year ago…feels like…
McCain was very Presidential on this debate, self-confidence was obvious, he talk straight to the American people; he said it as it, his knowledge of issues being discussed was broad. NObama was like an undergrad defending his thesis infront of faculty members. To some, the debate was boring, to me it wasn’t; in fact the debate showed contrast between NObama and McCain. NObama has a lot of growing up to do, he lacks maturity, it was obvious when he answered questions that sound so simple; he’s very impulsive, he lacks understanding of issues that requires deep thinking that can only be achieved thru experience – he’s sorely lacking in that category.
When NObama answered yes on question about Russia if its evil or not; I was saying to myself; “are you stupid or what?”. it shows how careless he is with his words, he lacks prudence which is a must for President especially when we deal with foreign policies. When MCain answered maybe for the same question, it shows his judgement and character; the man is cautious with words.
NObama has a lot of growing up to do, if he have only waited a few more years; but he’s always in a hurry to move on without looking back. That is the biggest failure of NObama; he’s too anxious to move on to the next without first learning the ropes.
NObama have shown how dangerous he is, would pull this country into war with Pakistan due to his impulsiveness. McCain was right on his answer about Pakistan; you have to win hearts of the people to capture terrorist like Bin Laden. NObama’s solution is to attack Pakistan, he said the same thing during primary debate in California. Only those who did not pay attention how foreign policies can bring this country into another war will think NObama was right, the gung ho, couch potato warriors; their weapons – TV REMOTE CONTROL, ammunition – Budweiser.
304 greenfun
look at the new open thread in the comments
The jpg is in the latest thread, in the comments are links to the URL and to another one without the writing.
The resolution is not high on these –it’s from a screenshot–what do you want it for?
repost from downstairs cause you guys/gals move to fast for me.
Answer Greta’s question about who got more time during the debate. Some obots talking trash about McCain and singing the praises of the O guy.
My comment:
“Obama did not think the rules applied to him and took far more time to answer his questions. He even stood up when McCain was speaking and insisted on speaking when it was time to move on. He does not respect rules, other people, or the idea of a debate. I think he was right only on the last question: he will have to ask Michelle when he does not know something or maybe she will have to tell him because he won’t know. She thinks he is ordinary at home and he thinks she knows all the answers. Please do not let him be our POTUS!”
Its late and most are in bed now..so i’ll just say this and get it off my chest…
I think we should call into all the MSM ..and the rest…thousands and thousands of call..and let the media know that we (all of us) have come to realize that we CAN’T VOTE for either one, and we think the country is not in good hands with either one…so we should stand up and shout it out to all that can hear….No vote ..no way..till they bring back the only one we trust to run this country…AND THAT’S HILLARY!!!
Right on, Asian4Hillary, I couldn’t agree more.
Also, have you noticed that the Secretary of the Treasury used to be a big mucky muck for Goldman Sachs? I was wondering what you thought about that! GS contributed money to all of the candidates, but to Obama most of all.
An older clip from So Jersey PUMA but worth reading:
“Smoking gun”prompts Andy Martin to say Obama should withdraw as presidential candidate
http://www.pr-inside.com/smoking-gun-prompts-andy-martin-to-r559376.htm
#320 Mary Beth613
Hillary is history, she’s not in the ticket for general election. Majority of us here will vote for McCain, sorry to burst your bubble. Hillary now has overdosed on koolaid.
#307 hillstheone
I never understood why Dick Morris had come out months ago and said he knew when David Geffen came out in support of Obama he knew Hillary was in trouble. I read on wikipedia that David Geffen was upset because Bill didn’t pardon Leonard Peltier. David Geffen controls alot of the media, so I guess thats why they were so nasty with Hillary.
Nijma ,DWP—thanks-got it.
Obama Overseas Money Could Total $3.3 Million
Tuesday, October 7, 2008 7:30 PM
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\Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has raised about $3.3 million from contributors who did not list a home state or who designated their state with an abbreviation that did not match one of the 50 states or U.S. territories, according to records provided by the Federal Election Commission.
The $3.3 million total does not include donors who have given less than $200 and whose contributions do not have to be itemized. Some of that money could also have come from overseas. About half of Obama’s $455 million in contributions so far are unitemized. The campaign does not identify those donors. Republican John McCain’s campaign lists all his donors, even those who give less than $200, on his Web site.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_fec_fundraising/2008/10/07/138285.html?s=al&promo_code=6C90-1
#320, MaryBeth,
well, at a MINIMUM, that would be very therapeutic for us, & it would definitely feel great to speak y(our) peace!
#324 gumbykat, wow that is a very plausible theory, one I had not thought of at all. (Oops! I didn’t realize David Geffen was involved in anything more than the music industry, lol)..
She didn’t drink the kool aid…she knew the deals that were made by both Dems and Rep. to give this election to BO!!! Both parties sold out for incompetent nincom poop!!! I do agree with what you said earlier Asian4 ..about how immature and inprudent this fool is though..and as my father use to say”Upon this, rests the the future of our Nation”…what a travesty..
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/voter_fraud_probe/2008/10/07/138145.html?s=al&promo_code=6C90-1
320 Mary Beth613
we could email too…
thousands of media addresses in media contacts section of action center, including international media, and colleges…
just copy and paste to cc
okay… pixel drunk.
goodnight fer real now
gumbykat,
I just looked on wickipedia & didn’t see where he owns much media but I did see this:
“Geffen has developed a reputation as a prominent philanthropist for his publicized support of medical research, AIDS organizations, the arts and theatre. He was an early financial supporter of President Bill Clinton. In 2001 he had a falling out with the former President over Clinton’s decision to not pardon Leonard Peltier, on whose behalf he had lobbied the President.[3]
Geffen is currently supporting Barack Obama for President and raised $1.3 million for Obama in a star-studded Beverly Hills fund raiser. On 21 February 2007, in an interview with Maureen Dowd of the New York Times, Geffen described Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton in unflattering terms: “Everybody in politics lies, but they do it with such ease, it’s troubling.” He said that Hillary Clinton was “incredibly polarizing” and described Bill Clinton as “reckless” and cast doubt on those who say he has become a different person since leaving office.”
#327 hillstheone
Look up David Geffen on wikipedia. All the info is there. What Dick Morris said just always stuck in the back of my mind. I never could understand why Hollywood was so in the tank for Obama. We all know that was the Clinton’s territory.
hey DWP…haven’t talked to you since Denver..but I read you all the time..
gumbykat, well one thing for sure, even though Peltier (native american accused of killing 2 FBI agents) has many people believe he was innocent, many many BIG Tribes were _very_ big supporters of Hillary Clinton’s candidacy. Be interesting to hear how Geffen responded to THAT.
325~ Greenfun~ there was something reported by CBS on line showing that yet again they have found donations with wertyuio as a name like they just went across the keys to put any info~
hope your doing well!
*went to go vote on aol after the debate and started fighting with the obots~ on comments! lol.. they get so pissy so easy!
hey Hills~
Trust me…it’s not a bad idea..it sure would get a lot of play…and maybe just maybe the fu&*ing media will look for some real answers and go a little deeper than trusting the likes of people like David Geffen, Axelrod, Pelosi, and the fools that let this happen…What have we got to lose? Get’s us publicity and makes people think , rather than just react and vote along party lines!!!
I’ve wanted to do this since Denver, but who would listen? Only at this hour and a glass of wine…think about it.
#331 hillstheone
I see you already looked. I just thought it was interesting at least why Hollywood is for Obama. David Geffen is very powerfull in Hollywood.
Hi SouthJersey!
Got an email from the journalist who writes the Rezko stories (sun times) today. But it was only a link back to that site. I had asked her in my email about Patrick Fitzgerald & if he is part of the investigation.
gumbykat,
Be fun to do a PROWL on LA Times since Geffen is such a big guy down in So Cal…
Or maybe there’s a newspaper in Malibu where he lives, haha!
OK, I need to log off now so nite-nite, all..
((((Greenfun))))), problem with that graphic is that it’s so big to resize it to fit on a regular piece of paper, the text is too small to read it.
#335hillstheone
gumbykat, well one thing for sure, even though Peltier (native american accused of killing 2 FBI agents) has many people believe he was innocent, many many BIG Tribes were _very_ big supporters of Hillary Clinton’s candidacy. Be interesting to hear how Geffen responded to THAT.
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I was wondering about that. I did not know that. It will be interesting to see who they support now.
gumbykat,
Oh yeah, I’m pretty sure the tribes are split between Obama / McCain. I don’t think there was a huge “automatic” transfer to Obama, and possibly some have not endorsed anybody ‘tall.
OK, I’m off to bed, it was nice talking w/you!
I notice the days that things go down hill in the election…everyone starts dumping on Hillary. What do all of you want her to do. Keep fighting how? Stand up, tell about the voter fraud, Obama’s corruption? Then what, she just gives up all she has earned and stands alone hated by more Democrats? I don’t get it.
If I am angry, it is at the DNC, the pigs that slapped her around and the PovertyPimp. I am frustrated too, but I don’t lay it on Hillary. I see emails from her too, and it make me very sad for the position she is in.
#344
billie jo
if you look at the last comment there is one without the writing.
You want it on a piece of paper, with the writing? This graphic would only be good for a blog I think.
If you want a good copy maybe jsutsaynodeal can get you one? I can do a screenshot in two parts, but someone would have to put the parts together.
I seem to be able to post okay now.
If Hillary is the candidate right now for President, none of us would be PUMAs. All of us would be campaigning for our girl.
#348 Nijma on 10.08.08 at 2:11 am
#344
billie jo
if you look at the last comment there is one without the writing.
You want it on a piece of paper, with the writing? This graphic would only be good for a blog I think.
If you want a good copy maybe jsutsaynodeal can get you one? I can do a screenshot in two parts, but someone would have to put the parts together.
I seem to be able to post okay now.
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I think the graphic without the text is useless. I think it’s powerful like it is.
It could be a two part-er, or even made to be printed on legal sized paper as a flyer.
I am going to bed, please let me know if you figure out a way to make it into a flyer.
Thanks.
#349 Asian4Hillary
If Hillary is the candidate right now for President, none of us would be PUMAs. All of us would be campaigning for our girl.
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Ya, those were the good old days when we had our hero in the race. We wouldn’t know all the frustrations of one another……… glad I have my PUMAs in this horrible drama. We snipe and swipe sometimes, but I love you all.
Goodnight PUMAs, it’s been another crap-ass day in the Twilight Zone.
Billie Jo
Hillary always lands on her feet. She is a very savvy politician.
For now she has a safe senate position and can exercise great leadership from there. Sure it’s for the state of New York, but it will be for the nation too. Haven’t you seen the speeches, the op eds in the Wall Street journal? She has more power where she is than if she was on BO’s or McCain’s cabinet. Believe me they will both be listening to her speak out the truth, while they will be limited to spouting talking points approved by their pollsters.
Billie Jo
I am using Irfanview. It’s free and very good. With it you can take a screenshot of the chart and save it in jpg or png. (I prefer PNG as it doesn’t distort so much and most programs can handle it.) After that you can manipulate the image by cropping it or turning it into grayscale or even resizing it.
If you want to erase the blog buttons, you can open it in paint and white out the parts you don’t want, then save it again as a png or jpg file.
The writing is visible on the website but only if you enlarge it. But when you enlarge it too much , it covers the smaller pictures. You could probably take a screenshot of the writing separately and use transparent tape to put it on your poster in the right places.
I think it can be done , but you might want to contact the webmaster over there and see if there is a decent file he can just email you. It might save you several hours of fooling around, and you would get more decent images. The guy is a PUMA, right? He’ll say yes if you can get through to him. maybe Murphy?…..
I think that would be a great flyer for college campuses. Access to dorms?….
oh, to look at the text larger, click on “view”, then “zoom” then check “zoom text only”
Ayers only got off because his father was a big deal, chairman of Con Edison. His father bought and paid for Bill and Bernadine Dohrn’s placement back into the world. He got Ayers a job and an education. Bernadine already had a law degree so he got her a job with the same firm Michelle Obama worked for, after Bernadine got out of prison.
Why did Ayers get an award from Daley? Because Mayor Daley’s dad was friends with Bill Ayer’s dad and they shared the pork and power in Chicago. Chicago is like a different country from the rest of the U.S. just as NJ is different.
Daley gave Ayer’s legitimization by backing him up as his father wanted. Father to son, is the way to go in Chicago.
Ayer’s has never changed in his beliefs. Last year he and Bernadine were speaking at their old stomping grounds, UM and Ohio University, to the current SDS. Nothing has changed with them except that they now infiltrate the minds of school aged children and people in their schools who hope to become educators. But they have never repudiated their stance….kill your parents, Manson had it right, kill the pigs, eat their dinner then stick a fork in their stomach…
Bill Ayer’s father has earned a place in hell for backing up his son.
We need formulate this message then send it to every message board and every local newspaper where we live.
Tie BO to ACORN, he worked for them, he was their lawyer on some voter fraud cases, he benefited from them by receiving money from them, he gave them grants from the Wood Fund and the Chicago Annenberg Project, and BO’s campaign paid them $800,000 to help secure this election. IE. they are paying those scum bags we encounter on every message board as well as those committing voter fraud in Ohio and elsewhere.
Connect Obama to Ayers for six years. Don’t know why Fox is saying five years. The Chicago Annenberg Challenge lost their money because it was deemed a “FAILURE”, by the Annenberg foundation. And it wasn’t just $50 million dollars, there matching dollars from the local government. That makes it over $100 million. Wood Fund, also millions of dollars to radicals.
One of the Annenberg “donations” was made to another old friend of Ayers from the Weather Underground days. Obama approved that money as chairman. This is a big story that the media just keeps playing down but it has everything to do with how Obama ended up where he is right now. He is the willing tool of the socialists who hate America and has been for decades.
if you hold down control key and use the roller of your mouse to roll up, your text size increases. roll down to decrease. Learnt it here
freddiebrown
thankyou for sharing that
One more note: I live in NJ and the tide here just might change. Our only statewide news station has a bunch of hosts who are sick of the liberal politicians who are killing our state and the people who live here with unbelievable taxation which mainly fuels corrupt politicians and organized crime.
People pay taxes that could buy a home in another state. The government regulations for public buildings favor corrupt practices such as requiring multiple building plans, all of which have to be paid for, then only giving contracts to the lowest bidder, who will always defaut after starting a project, then the whole business starts from scratch again, then eventually a contract is given, not to the lowest bidder but the group who can actually get the job done.
Millions of dollars for a job that would cost, maybe $300,000 at best if it was done right from the start.
People are sick and tired of being ripped off. Giving big parts of their paycheck to see little results.
We want the government off our back and people to earn their own living. In Obama’s world, you get grants, federal money, state money to fund things that help your friends make money and do nothing for the people. His building projects are enough evidence for me.
I hope McCain brings all of this up at the next debate and in the meantime, I hope each and every one of us makes our voice heard by appealing to every media form near us whether it be our local paper or a message board, Obama is just a tool for socialism and we do not want it. He wants our money to spread around the world to feed his ego. And he wants our money to benefit his friends. And he wants our money to go to people beaten down so that they will think that he is the answer to their problems.
Obama is the problem, not the answer to problems.
Henry – Learnt it here.. very useful.
Hey Henry – did you email for flyers to distribute yet ?
I just finished labels..
Don’t be surprised BO defers to MO. She’s an older woman (sort of a junior cougar, I guess), was his mentor in college, and he’s been her sock puppet ever since. Guess where she has her hand! Yes, that’s right ….
Michelle Obama is the Jungian “shadow” mother that Barack Obama never had and now finally does.
She is black, she tells him what to do, and he, the perpetual adolescent, can happily go his way being and acting like the Peter Pan, he is. This is the sickest succor that ever came down the pike for the Presidency of the United States.
Good Morning Pumas.
McCaskill was stepping out of her chair at the end of an MSNBC interview, and Romney was up next. She and a staffer unplugged her various wires, and she handed Romney the earpiece the guests use to hear the host.
“I spit on this before I put it in,” she said to Romney, with a sweet smile.
“Classless McCaskill”
Good night, Pumas.
VOTER ALERT FRAUD IN CUYAHOGA COUNTY!
A must see video! The reporter said that acorn registered 80,000 voters in Cuyahoga County, Ohio. WHAT? Was he mistaken? Please, watch the video! One man registered seven times in one place. OMG, they are trying to STEAL OHIO!
Say it ain’t so, OHIO!
http://www.newsnet5.com/video/17647935/index.html
Here we go, an article on Cleveland voter fraud!
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/08/another_voter_fraud_investigat.html
Dick Morris a formal Clinton Advisior Said last night on Hannity & Colmes that he has changed his mind about Obama, said he did more research on Ayers and this board of education they were on was educating children to radicalize students politicaly and that for 5 years Obama was in charge of giving out money not to schools but to radical groups for this purpose. Obama had to have these views to work with Ayers for 5 years. Wish others could get it too!
Cleveland Plain Dealer article on voter fraud!
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/122345478771640.xml&coll=2
fox and friends wants to hear from you , who do you think why write the name is subject either McCain or Obama, then write why you thought that person won. Short little paragraph..
friends@foxnews.com also brian just said of all the emails who thought BO won are from another country..the ones who thought McCain won are from good old U.S.A.
warrior4hillary he was just on fox and friends and was saying the same thing this morning. Also he said last nite and this morning McCain won.
I sent the links above to Fox….asked them to view them. Unbelievable what is going on!
BTW, Good morning Pumas!
Good Morning Pumas. I turned the debate off at 10pm because I was bored with the same ole, same ole. I think that McCain had a few chances to go after Obama but didn’t. He didn’t have to mention Ayers if he didn’t want to but he could have said poor judgment and character over and over. What’s goiing on in the news and do you think the poll numbers will change? From what I saw, the debate was not a game changer for McCain.
ladyhawkke well if you listen to fox they say McCain won but he didn’t deliever the fatal blow, Now i do believe he did mention poor judgement several times but I also feel he said what he could without totally avoiding the questions this is why I hate townhall meetings they are limited to what they can do.
I think it was a lose , lose thing for McCain as far as these other stations go, if he would have gotten off topic and attacked they would have raked him over the goals for going off message, he stayed on message and he didn’t attack.. Drives me nuts he can’t win for nothing
#374 Sly2 We need a game changer now. Obama cannot continue to hold a lead if we are to believe the polls. The man memorized his lines and has no idea what in the hell he is going to do. Frankly, I’m frightened.
And I just read this morning where Iceland may have to declare bankruptcy! This was one of the richest countries in the world.
I still don’t understand why anyone thinks Obama has economic solutions. The only reason he is ahead is because the Dems are perceived to know more about the economy than the Repubs. OBAMA IS WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!
#369 By the Lake The scary part stated below is that they return the cards to ACORN. That is totally ridiculous as if ACORN would identify fraudulent cards.
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Not perfectly, no,” replied Mari Engelhardt, ACORN political director for Ohio.
Once stacks of registration cards are returned to ACORN offices, workers verify information by calling the phone number provided on the card, the board was told. If information is missing or ACORN identifies a suspicious card, it is given to the Board of Elections with a notice that it could be problematic.
ACORN workers who double-check cards can’t be expected to remember names and addresses previously verified, said Teresa James, an attorney for Project Vote representing ACORN.
slyt2 #371 Oh ok thanks
most are saying that obama didn’t say anything different than before, nothing new.
Nobama has always bored me! he just seems to ramble on and on Maybe its because I’ve heard it all before!
#378 Warrir4hillary That’s why I turned it off at 10:00 and went to bed. I just hope the American public wakes up and realize we just can’t elect this guy. Unfit for office, just like his VP stated!
377 ladyhawkke on 10.08.08 at 6:59 am #369 By the Lake The scary part stated below is that they return the cards to ACORN. That is totally ridiculous as if ACORN would identify fraudulent cards.
Yep, that was the right decision…NOT! This is downright appalling! I am sick, sick, sick or the crap going on in this election, and I bet I’m not the only one!
Going to try to get out of court early enough to make it to the debate…I know McCain/Palin read signs….I’m gonna have a whopper!
I’ll get pictures!
ladyhawkke i totally agree with what you are saying , that is why i hate townhall meetings you are limited to what you can talk about, is the next debate also a townhall meeting (i hope not) i think if McCain didn’t have to answer questions I think he would have slammed BO. I hadn’t heard that about Iceland , another reason we need a strong leader not a empty suit that has no clue.
#379 ladyhawkke
To me any fool who would vote for Obama when they knew He worked with Ayers and that this education board they was on was to educate children… to radicalize students politicaly and that for 5 years Obama was in charge of giving out money not to schools but to radical groups for this purpose. Who could vote for this man?
Obama did say to give money to Georgia I wonder where he is getting all this money he can give away to other countries?
OH yeah thats right from us the tax payer!
lmao http://www.cnn.com/ has quick vote and it’s who won and it’s BO 77% and McCain 17% I don’t know why they just don’t have the choices A. Obama
B. Obama or C. Obama,,, too funny
Good Morning PUMAs,
I did not watch the debate. I don’t care what the polls say across the US. The only day that matters is Nov. 4th.
Al Gore and Kerry were both ahead in the polls and LOST. I am hoping the same trend will continue.
warrior4hillary Oh i know and he said other countries too, WTF, but of course No one mentions that today!
#385 ontherocks I like you outtake on the whole thing, I am going with your mindset. Thank you, you just put a smile on my face and gave me a better outlook this morning..
Did I already tell you how much I despise this man?
Also, Jerome Corsi deported out of Kenya. MommaE says not to believe it all because she hasn’t been able to phone him but if he’s enroute back to the US, he can’t get calls on his cell phone in mid-flite. Will have to check and see when her radio show is on today so I can listen.
MommaE has a show today at 3pm. Will be ineresting to hear what she says. By the way, I think MommaE is more reliable than Ed Hale, although I like Ed. However, Ed always says this thing and that thing will absolutely take Obama down and it has never happened. He’s got 3 videos at his website now that says they will take him down. Hello, they’ve been there. Only way to get them out is for McCain to air them.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/mommaeradiorebels
I just sent email to friends@foxnews.com
Buchanan Brigade
http://buchanan.org/blog/2008/10/pjb-of-generals-and-victories/
#385 ontherocks You didn’t miss much. I agree, the polls are in the tank for Obama. And so is Brokaw as you could tell by the type of questions he deliberately asked which he felt would favor Obama. He had thousands of e-mails and I’m sure thousands asked about Ayers/Wright.
I think we again need to contact McCains office and tell him to start talking tough on the trail. Also, I think he needs to keep putting up the ad where Biden says Obama is unqualifed and that the Oval office is not a training ground.
Am I alone here? O.K. Am getting ready to go play my league tennis match.
ha funny you just brought up Brokaw they had him on morning joe and he is in the tank for BO now of course he didn’t come out and admit that but by what he was saying you can read between the lines and know who he is liking.. What a old fool, so disappointed. Turn on fox now ACORN OMG
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Make sure to BCC the lists. Blind Carbon Copy. you do not want the long list to print out or people will not read the message.
Send your message to the entire list. not much extra work to copy and paste the list. Make sure you put a comma between lists if you combine them.
What i found to be soooooo funny last night I actually laughed out loud was the part where Soledad O’Brian
on cnn was with a group of independents and undecideds. While the cnn commentators were pumping up Obama, she asked them after the debate to hold up their hands if they were for McCain now, 14 held their hands up out of 25, LOLOLOLOLO and then the commentators said they just didnt understand that. Well, of course they didnt because the average people thought he won, while they have had the minds made up day one and have been pushing their own agenda. You would think they were all running for President.
This has been a year of cnn and msnbc running for office, period. Why they want this Obama person in is beyond me because they never discuss what all he has done, because he hasnt done anything except hang with scary people and promote redistributing everyone else’s money.
Over 3 million in foreigh contributions for Obama campaign – that we know
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/10/08/obama-foreign-contributions-over-3-million-that-we-know/
this off the Berg web site
written by Benjamin, October 08, 2008
@Philadelphia Roof Doctor
I stand corrected. I was basing my assumption on the information available on this website’s main page: not the best of ideas on the Internet!
I’m definitely not an attorney either, I’m much worse: I’m a journalist. This case seems interesting and studying it has been an enjoyable way to spend an evening, even if I am not exactly convinced of the merits.
@The people wanting to get this out to the news media
You are going about it the wrong way. If you want something published write a short essay and mail it to an editor at a local or regional newspaper. I suggest writing in the inverted pyramid style and keeping the whole thing fewer than around five-hundred words. Be clear and concise. Avoid grandstanding, obvious conspiracy theory, mud-slinging and other vitriol, or Wikipedia quotes, and you have a much better chance of reaching the media. National media, by and large, trickles up from local media.
If you haven’t voted yet please do http://elections.foxnews.com/ I believe it is down towards the bottom..
Turn on fox news also NOW.
Actually you can vote as many times as you want (but we here are honest
To those above who mentioned it – I am really not worried about the polls.
They change from day to day and I try not to pay much attention to them.
What is giving me an upset stomach, however, is the voter fraud that is going on in Ohio, Virginia and Florida.
Probably elsewhere too.
There have been several reports about it, but nobody seems to be doing anything.
How can we fight this?
The Stop the Obama Constiutitional Crisis Petition at
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/
has about 520 signatures and 999 e-mail and letters sent.
The Petition is about the Berg law suit and urges Congress to ensure that a court determine Obama’s citizenship. I think it’s good to inform Congress of all the doubts Americans have about Obama – so sign up if you haven’t already!
Damn this guy is dogging on Chris Matthews he said he is a embarrassment to journalism. He said you can’t really call him a journalist and if he would just put a Obama button on and say I am here for Obama I would have more respect for him it’s sickening….lmao I’m loving it , I guess Chrissy Matthews must have gushed over BO again last nite.This guy also took a good stab at “his side kick ” Keith O (his words not mine).. Said they are both embarrassing….
# 402
Not sure how we can fight the voter fraud. One thing we can do is write to anyone and everyone letting them know that we find this to wrong in every way.
astrocats posted.
today is a new day!
take it upstairs!
i wonder if the larry sinclair ordeal can be the surprise we need
#402 Delle
I just got an email from a friend that said no one is asking foreigners for proof of citizenship when they register to vote in Fairfax County VA. The Democratic supervisor in the register’s office was standing over her employees to make sure they did not ask foreign registrants whether they were citizens. Unbelievable!
I need names!
ACORN Fraud Used Cowboys Starting Lineup
Owens, Romo names surface in Nevada voter-fraud probe
October 7, 2008
LAS VEGAS — Nevada authorities seized records Tuesday from a group they accused of submitting fraudulent voter-registration forms — including for the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys.
“Tony Romo is not registered to vote in the state of Nevada, and anybody trying to pose as Terrell Owens won’t be able to cast a ballot on Nov. 4,” said Secretary of State Ross Miller.
McCain and Palin should say five times a day – “How could anyone vote for a man who started his political career in the living room of a domestic terrorist?”
Palin said something like that the other day and it hit home and hit hard.
What if he had started his career in Timothy McVeigh’s living room? Same thing to me. We are just blinded to the seriousness of what Ayers and company did.
The case seems so obvious to me.
Does anyone have update on Andy Martin’s Aloha Obama issues. Is he working with the GOP there?
Before I go play my match, I called the Judge handling the Berg case. I don’t think anyone else should call as he might get annoyed. But I conveyed my concerns about the motion to dismiss not being ruled upon quickly with so many questions about Obama’s BC. I was a legal secy for 47 years so I was able to relay my concerns and also the fact that attorneys and judges tend to sit on things that need action. She told me she would relay my concerns to the judge. Irregardless of whether the Motion to Dismiss is granted or denied, be ready for an appeal to the District Court of Appeal which could take forever. I was involved in a case and went all the way to the Supreme Court, which I won. I am just an average person who won’t give up. However, on my side, my boss was an appellate attorney so I had him going to court for me even as I was preparing most of the documents with his help.
For Hillary to put out that statement it is obvious in my opinion that O was not that strong last evening. She is a member of the democratic party and I guess she feels she has to support her party. Disappointment is a emotion that we feel if we have high expectations of someone and they in the end left us down, so it is expected in some with the path that Hillary has taken. I am sure Hillary is still respected and admired but sometimes disappointment outweigh those two qualities.
For Hillary to put out that statement it is obvious in my opinion that O was not that strong last evening. She is a member of the democratic party and I guess she feels she has to support her party. Disappointment is a emotion that we feel if we have high expectations of someone and they in the end left us down, so it is expected in some with the path that Hillary has taken. I am sure Hillary is still respected and admired but sometimes disappointment outweigh those two qualities.
There are no ‘great’ presidents. Some are better than others, but they are just mortals, like the rest of us. The best we can hope for is someone who loves this country, respects its citizens and believes that he/she can make a positive difference.
412 Thank you so much for your call to the judge.
I do expect an appeal, regardless of how the judge decides on the dismissal.
I see the problem as lack of media attention.
Can anyone believe that a case such as this – regarding a presidential candidate who may not even be a legal citizen – can be so igorned?
This should be all over the news!
Honestly, I think Hillary HAS to pretend to support BO or risk being looked at as a bad Democrat, sore loser, etc by a large # of Americans and risk her bid for 2012. It’s not about what is actually going on…it’s what it LOOKS like to the average American(lowest common denominator). Not only that, she needs to stay in the public eye as a Democrat till 2012.
I wish like HEll she could just go Independant or form her own party, but she can’t. This is America, and most Americans will vote either Republican or Democrat ONLY and that’s just how it is. It hurts me to see such a brilliant politician trapped in such rigid circumstances.
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