A Failure of Leadership

McClatchy gets it right:

 

The failure of a proposed Wall Street bailout Monday underscored that America is suffering not just from a financial crisis, but also from a crisis of political leadership.

“This has been a bad day for Washington and a bad day for American politics,” said Harold Ford, a former Democratic congressman from Tennessee. “What happened today was an embarrassment for the country.”

None of the country’s political leaders, Republican or Democrat, has proved able to navigate the treacherous politics of the moment and secure an agreement to bail out the country’s financial system and restore confidence in the marketplace.

President Bush is a largely discredited lame duck. He’s not trusted by his own party and was unable to bend the Congress to his will even as he warned of a catastrophe if lawmakers rebelled.

Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama and his party’s congressional leaders control the Congress and agreed with Bush’s urgency, but they couldn’t deliver a majority, either.

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When Obama, the party’s new leader, learned of the plan’s rejection, he spoke about Washington almost as if he weren’t a member of Congress.

“Democrats and Republicans in Washington have a responsibility to make sure that an emergency rescue package is put forward that can at least stop the immediate problems we have so we can begin to plan for the future,” he said.

He didn’t say how he might lead or what role he’d play. “Step up to the plate,” he told Congress. “Get it done.”

Meanwhile, NICE Prowling today Puma PAC! We stood up to the creeping Police State tactics of the Obama Movement and FORCED A RETRACTION. They BACKED OFF! This is what it’s all about Folks! Nicely done.

Here’s a quote from our new friend, Sheriff Glenn Boyer of Jefferson County, Missouri. I give him credit for being a straight talker, and pretty witty too:

Jefferson County Sheriff Oliver “Glenn” Boyer, who was also named Gov. Blunt’s statement, told WND that not only had he never agreed to join the “Truth Squad,” but also that it “infuriated” him that anyone would think he’d use his office to squash others’ freedom of speech.

“I’m a small, Democratic sheriff in rural Missouri,” Boyer told WND. “I haven’t even seen the original interview with Jennifer Joyce and Bob McCulloch. … All I know is, I came into my office on Monday morning unaware of any of this. I had a fundraiser Saturday, when all this started, of my own. I came into my office Monday morning, and I’ve got 500 emails and 19 nasty phone calls calling me a communist pig! I think, ‘Man, I thought it was a pretty good fundraiser.’”

166 comments ↓

#1 notfollowinthepiedpiper on 09.29.08 at 11:25 pm

1st?

#2 henry on 09.29.08 at 11:26 pm

top ten

#3 notfollowinthepiedpiper on 09.29.08 at 11:26 pm

How much am I supposed to donate? I think I’ve been 1st three times in the last few days. Will send it out tomorrow.

#4 goofsmom on 09.29.08 at 11:27 pm

3rd?

#5 goofsmom on 09.29.08 at 11:28 pm

#3 notfollowingthepiedpiper

I think you donate what and if you can.

#6 Grizzly on 09.29.08 at 11:30 pm

“Step up to the plate,” he told Congress. “Get it done.”
**************************

Obama is now channeling Larry the Cable Guy?????

#7 BrooklynNY on 09.29.08 at 11:32 pm

#6 Grizzly

That’s funny. :)

#8 imustprotest on 09.29.08 at 11:33 pm

Obama thinks he is already the president. He’s not part of congress, he’s not a senator, no, he’s The One. Arrogance pure arrogance.

#9 EWard on 09.29.08 at 11:33 pm

Great description of Obama’s phantom leadership.

“When Obama, the party’s new leader, learned of the plan’s rejection, he spoke about Washington almost as if he weren’t a member of Congress.”

He didn’t say how he might lead or what role he’d play. “Step up to the plate,” he told Congress. “Get it done.”

Finally, one MSM paper getting it right about the great imposter!

#10 notfollowinthepiedpiper on 09.29.08 at 11:34 pm

#6 Grizzly
I’d rather have Larry the Cable Guy for prez. He could do a better job than BO.

#11 henry on 09.29.08 at 11:34 pm

repost

KarinWi
bet most women from the pioneer days could kick the average metrosexuals arse

#12 nhforhillary on 09.29.08 at 11:34 pm

Hello Puma’s, Just thought I would add this link regarding a petition to impeach Nancy Pelosi. Also, a scary thought, in the event of a presidential tie, Nancy will be our president until a re-vote has taken place.

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/petition-sign.cgi?everyman

#13 imustprotest on 09.29.08 at 11:35 pm

If Obama wins, we’ll be remembering Bush as the engaged and pro-active president! Okay, maybe not, but I really think Obama is worse.

#14 murphy on 09.29.08 at 11:35 pm

eward, a-yup.

McClatchy is quite good. I have it bookmarked.

They are maddeningly non-partisan and pretty darn unbiased. which is a good thing.

#15 notfollowinthepiedpiper on 09.29.08 at 11:36 pm

#12 nhforhillary
Surely the voting could be finalized before Bush is out. Even he’s better than Pelosi.

#16 mountainsong on 09.29.08 at 11:39 pm

And how bout crisis of common sense?

#17 Frodo on 09.29.08 at 11:42 pm

Dances With Pumas – there were tons of comments today obviously on the many threads – but on one of them Slyt2 was asking the Action Center to do Toledo Ohio newspaper – there was an email to SLYt2 and you with that direct information – don’t know if you got it or not.

Also I think I read somewhere that Newman is a woman – of course – that could be his own words and not really – just saying.

#18 freddiebrown on 09.29.08 at 11:42 pm

Read about Suzy Orman’s take on how this bailout crisis may affect you..

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/29/financial-light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel-could-be-2015/

#19 NewOrleansPuma on 09.29.08 at 11:43 pm

Harold Ford is wrong. What happened today is not an embarassament for the country but a disgrace orchestrated by the so called Democratic Leadership…starting with I am not involved in Congress I am only a do nothing Senator who is running for President, Obimbo, plus..Pelosi, a vindictive, dumb politician, Frank, a clown politician, Dodd, an arrogrant clown politician, Kerry, a ridiculous recycle of nothingness, …it was their bill, their way, their wrong moves with the press and US. Don’t lay this on the country…push it in the face of the perpetrators.

#20 Frodo on 09.29.08 at 11:43 pm

Sorry – Dances – post was not from me – to Slyt 2 and you regarding the Ohio newspaper – I did look it up as well and posted – but someone else beat me to it……

#21 Frodo on 09.29.08 at 11:48 pm

DANCES WITH PUMAS – found it:

Its probably a pain in the arse to post every newspaper this way – sorry:

The Toledo Blade – Editor – CESARZ, KEVIN
kcesarz@theblade.com News Editor – Multimedia (ONLINE EDITOR)

#22 henry on 09.29.08 at 11:50 pm

Today was about the bill being shot down over the next two days another crisis will arise andthen a bill will be pushed through containing billions of dollars for ACORN.

SCREAM NO ACORN

#23 alohapuma on 09.29.08 at 11:50 pm

Anyone have insights on the Stockton Record supporting Obama?

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/09/28/Newspaper_ends_72-year_streak_backs_Obama/UPI-60041222648264/

When I hear any organization throw their weight around the “ability to inspire”… I cringe. Doing a counterpoint, so any insights appreciated.

#24 alohapuma on 09.29.08 at 11:52 pm

12 nhforhillary

OMG That’s right!!!!

#25 Henerietta on 09.29.08 at 11:54 pm

One has to believe that Hillary would have gotten the job done if:
A. She was speaker
B. If she were Majority leader
C. She were president.

At least McCain is trying to get it right.

I have some difficulty with people who try to distance themselves from their obligations. Obama and McCain are both senators. That means they share every responsibility of the senate with every other member. Together they are 2% of the whole. McCain had the good sense to exercise his 1% presence, while Obama is sitting back as if he isn’t obligated to do anything but spew his arrogant rhetoric from afar, like some disinterested commentator.

And he wants to be president? Doesn’t he know there is some WORK involved in THAT position?

#26 liloleme on 09.29.08 at 11:54 pm

#23

I just don’t believe all I’m seeing as far as “free press” goes.

So, someone please tell me what papers I can expect to get the entire story from, now. I’m sure the list is getting pretty short!

#27 BrianH on 09.29.08 at 11:55 pm

Grizzley;
Down below you flailed against Paulson having 4700 billion to spend as he wished.

First, it’s 700, not 4700.
Second, the money is not being “spent” in the sense you imply. It is being used to acquire the depreciating assets (mortgages, etc.) which are undercutting the banks and funds. They would be held and sold later, so there might even be a net profit on the deal in the long run.

Some economists feel less money would be needed, and better results obtained, just by taking dominant equity positions in the banks, putting the management on starvation wages, and selling the equity back to the market as conditions improved.

But in either approach, the money is “gone” only if the banks and mortgages turn out to be worthless. In which case we’re screwed anyway. :)

#28 Henerietta on 09.29.08 at 11:59 pm

I think part of the problem for the congress is that their constituents are largely against the bail out. Some are not yet convinced that there IS a problem. Some don’t understand that it affects us all. Some would rather eat dirt with a spoon and drink water from the toilet than to give one red cent to the idiots on Wall Street.

I don’t think the American electorate will be ok with this until there is some sort of adjustment, even a punishment for the perpetrators of this mess. If there were some sort of penalty built in, maybe confiscating some of their ill gotten gains, the bitter pill would go down much easier.

#29 Henerietta on 09.30.08 at 12:02 am

If we let these community organizations that are part of acorn have a cent of this money, we are just indirectly feeding the Obama political beast. I wonder if this were some Republican organization would the democrats be so generous?

#30 Hispanic4Hillary on 09.30.08 at 12:02 am

We have to continue to send letters and make phone calls to congress and our representatives. No bailout if Acorn or its subsidiaries are listed on the bailout. We have to remind them that we will remember who votes for the bailout. The rich people should be putting up some of their own money to help out their friends.

#31 Hispanic4Hillary on 09.30.08 at 12:04 am

They need to include in the verbage of the bailout. Prosecutions…Prosecutions and freeze assets of those involved on this mess. Go after all those who created this mortgage mess.

#32 diva2 on 09.30.08 at 12:04 am

#23 Alohapuma

Stockton is and old farming community with housing developments that grew up during the past 10 -15 years ago. They have a tacky old mall and most people travel to either the Bay Area, Silicon Valley (3-4 hour commute to San Francisco, San Jose, Oakland) or work in Sacramento. Alot of the population is farmworkers. There isn’t alot of major industry (farming, hospitals (older), canneries and basic service retail jobs. University of Pacific is there but is a small school compared to most.

SOOO, IMOP I don’t give the Record much, if any credence. I am speaking from personal experience.

Goodnight

#33 mountainsong on 09.30.08 at 12:04 am

Why don’t they ask Sugar-mama Oprah to bail them out?

#34 BrianH on 09.30.08 at 12:05 am

Murphy;
Yes, they “Backed Off”, but it’s astonishing that they thought there was a role for prosecuting attorneys anyway:
“prosecuting attorneys Bob McCulloch and Jennifer Joyce originally announced on KMOV-TV in St. Louis their participation in Obama’s “Truth Squad,” pledging to defend the candidate from untruthful ads with an undefined “immediate” response.

“Whether it is directly attributable to the (McCain) campaign or to one of the soft money operations,” McCulloch told the station, “if they’re not going to tell the truth, somebody’s got to step up and say, ‘That’s not the truth. This is the truth.’” ”

Say what? They are going to determine and communicate the truth? As O would say, “Above your pay grade.” :D

#35 mountainsong on 09.30.08 at 12:05 am

31 Hispanic4Hillary ~~~ ABsolutely!!!!!!

#36 Henerietta on 09.30.08 at 12:06 am

ACORN is actually a conglomerate of community organizations that are fed money through several federal and state agencies for civic endeavors. Americorps money has largely been spent through these groups.

One of the problems with allowing local people to police and regulate is that when corruption creeps in, it is not known soon enough. ACORN’s reach was larger than the regulators’ ability to trace and contain. All these little corrupt entities were networking together to perpetrate massive fraud and subversive influence, right out in the open.

#37 NewOrleansPuma on 09.30.08 at 12:07 am

BrianH: Pehaps so, but who will buy these things?
New LLC’s set up by some of the very same players who orchestrated this ongoing and never ending flips of equity, money, and paper? so they made money going up and they will make money again on the same items in time. This is why a total government buy is not good.
And, mortgage holders now who are not yet foreclosed on but are in danger of being foreclosed will be foreclosed because entities have no reason not to bundle them to the bad..they know they can get rid of them through the bill…This is why something directly for the homeowners now…Hillary.s plan is important!
Where is it in the mix? It isn/t there…is it?
And where do we reward and encourage in this plan the local banks, and local finance companies who did not and do not sell their mortgages? Or who did not get involved with the monopoly game? Should not their criedit lines somehow be assured as the big paper players get relief and refuse in the process to lend them, the traditional fiscal consevativ banks for their lack of participation in this huge monopoly game that has been played? Neither the Treasury bill nor the Pelosi joke of a bill thought broadly enough.

#38 john on 09.30.08 at 12:07 am

Obama sought rape victim to exploit for ad

Barack Obama’s campaign earlier this month sought to find a rape victim to appear in a campaign commercial,
http://countusout.wordpress.com/

#39 DancesWithPumas on 09.30.08 at 12:07 am

#17 Frodo

Thank you for the Toledo link.

as far as notnewman
woman can be just as sexist as men…
too many women have internalized sexism…
I have a bit more tolerance for sexist women because I view their sexism as a survival mechansm. Still, that doesn’t prevent me from calling it out.

#40 mountainsong on 09.30.08 at 12:07 am

hahahahahahaha Huckabee said Nancy Pelosi doesn’t know the difference between a punch bowl and a toilet bowl!!!! OMG, isn’t THAT the Truth!!!!!!

#41 mountainsong on 09.30.08 at 12:08 am

But I bet she knows how to get to the bank!

#42 mountainsong on 09.30.08 at 12:09 am

Alan Colms and Nancy Pelosi would make a great couple—of pure idiots!

#43 osaka puma on 09.30.08 at 12:09 am

freddiebrown… what suzy doesnt tell you that the FDIC has already used 15 billion of its 50 billion dollar fund for countrywide and other smaller banks.. that even doesn’t even take in WAMU yet..
also.during the S&L collapse it was not uncommon that the FDIC would take up to 2 or 3 years to pay you in increments but you had to be constantly fighting them for it..

#44 yellowMcpuma08 on 09.30.08 at 12:10 am

Hey notfollowinthepiperpiper, what kind of shampoo you use that make you so lucky to be 3 times #1 ? my best was 14 —- just kidding —–

#45 mountainsong on 09.30.08 at 12:10 am

Obama is so bereft of integrity it’s pathetic.

#46 Henerietta on 09.30.08 at 12:12 am

#37 New Orleans Puma

You are absolutely right. Every almost defaulted mortgage that they can cram in will be included. There must be a provision to help this group of people with direct buyouts or with refinancing. If that is not a provision of the bill, the homeowner having difficulty will be further harmed.

#47 mountainsong on 09.30.08 at 12:13 am

The only ‘crisis’ there is~~~is that a whole lot of people might have to actually go out and WORK for a living~~~At jobs that don’t require Bullsh*t college degrees that don’t mean squat when it comes to blisters.

#48 Henerietta on 09.30.08 at 12:15 am

It is a bad time for this to happen. The election is too close, and the stakes are too high for the participants not to play politics.

#49 Hispanic4Hillary on 09.30.08 at 12:17 am

Can I send my mortgage papers so they can include in the bailout? I only owe something like 160,000. It would be a nice clean start…hahahahah

#50 Henerietta on 09.30.08 at 12:18 am

I still can’t get over the $63 million salary that one executive was paid. That would be like winning the lottery every year! And then, he did such a poor job that he let his company go broke!

Some ‘free market’ economists don’t understand what us small business people do: A free market means that you take the loss. If you don’t turn a profit, you don’t get paid. Their definition is ‘I’ll get mine, regardless of the job I do.’

#51 Hispanic4Hillary on 09.30.08 at 12:18 am

Most of the people who caused this are Harvard people…what are they teaching at harvard? Fraud 101…

#52 mountainsong on 09.30.08 at 12:18 am

Just do away with credit. The ‘buy now, pay later’ system is the bain of true stability. Give assets true value and deflate inflation so that people can afford to pay cash as they go….like it was up to the early 60′s.
Then was when this country had the highest standard of living with no debt.
Mortgages are nothing more than glorified ‘rent’ and legalized slavery.

#53 osaka puma on 09.30.08 at 12:19 am

mountainsong… those blister making jobs will probably be done by illegals who will take anything just to eat.. the mexican peso fell 2.5 % in value in just ONE DAY.. the more their money falls the more desperate will poverty ridden mexicans will become so desperate out of sheer instinct just to eat and survive they will come north and work for pennies on the dollar just to eat..

#54 henry on 09.30.08 at 12:19 am

Just want to say that the bots have started canvassing in my neighborhood and I have placed a BEWARE OF PUMAS sign in my yard.

#55 snowtiger on 09.30.08 at 12:19 am

Wel, just joined Team McCain. :)
Time to shift gears from nobo to yes McCain.
Anyone going to join in?

#56 mountainsong on 09.30.08 at 12:20 am

51 Hispanic4Hillary You got that right!!!! They have to do something to justify the time and expense of going there. Exclusive, educated Idiots!!!! Wouldn’t know the business end of a shovel.

#57 lilibet on 09.30.08 at 12:20 am

Does anyone have the URL for Trish and Anderson’s site?

#58 snowtiger on 09.30.08 at 12:21 am

54 henry
Ha! Great idea. I will steal it. :)
OH and i am trying to catch up on downstairs Henry, I think registration records are publice documents and can be viewed by anybody. I dont really know for sure. This week I will check my sates laws.

#59 diva2 on 09.30.08 at 12:21 am

#36 Henrietta

ACORN is one of the Soros companies I have been posting about the past few days. He owns the dems and nobo. I MEAN OWNS. IN 2004 they said the dems were bought and paid for so they own them/us after they gave $300 million to the candidates and dem party in 2004. He has/owns pretty much all women’s organizations, numerous “shell” companies and is one of the most powerful men in the country (maybe it is the world, I forget what the info said about him). If you read his ideology it will scare the you-know-what out of you and it is EXACTLY what nobo professes but expressed more clearly when you read it.

#60 notfollowinthepiedpiper on 09.30.08 at 12:21 am

#44 yellowMcpuma08

I find myself sitting downstairs talking to myself so often, I just started checking for a new thread every time I refresh the page. Murphy kept us busy running stairs a lot today. GREAT posts though!

#61 mountainsong on 09.30.08 at 12:22 am

Hey, I have worked with those people in the past and i have nothing less than absolute love and respect for them. If it wasn’t for them, alot of people wouldn’t even eat. And you don’t hear any of THEM complaining about a ‘crisis’ or bailing them out.

#62 osaka puma on 09.30.08 at 12:22 am

the ivy league colleges are the elitist training grounds for the managers of capitalism ..

#63 snowtiger on 09.30.08 at 12:22 am

51 Hispanic4Hillary
Wasnt it Bill GAtes who left Harvard and said “You can’t learn anything there.’ ?

#64 Grizzly on 09.30.08 at 12:22 am

BrianH on 09.29.08 at 11:55 pm

****************

I “flailed”?

Yes, the number was wrong. I was trying to Hit the $, and apparently did not hit the “shift” tab which ended up as a “4″.

Sorry, but under Paulson’s plan the money indeed woulod be “spent”. If you have been following the issue, the plan was to pay more than the banks had valued the assets (under “mark to market”) because the assets. per Paulson, were worth more than book value. So the money goes out the door right away, and in exchange Treasury gets a promise to pay backed by a loan (except for the credit cards and student loans in the plan, which have no security backing the debt).

The assets purchased “may” be worth more than the purchase price some day. It is also just as true that they may not. And while the plan “may” have worked, again, it may not have worked. If it did not work, any chance of those assets being worth more than the purchase price becomes a much more questionable possibility.

One of teh reasons the assets are depreciating so rapidly is the insane mark to market accounting rules made mandatory under Sarbanes Oxley. Suffice it to say my view of Sarbanes Oxley is that the entire law should be repealed. All it has done is to increase the operating costs of companies and all but eliminated new companies going public. The act has not protected a single person or dime.

The Mark to market rules, even by the Treasury Secretary’s own admission (the loans are worth more than book), are not a realistic evaluation of value. Hey, here’s a thought – go back to the old rules! Companies will not have to borrow money to cover the losses in their inventories or receivables created out of mark to market vapor, thereby easing liquidity and providing a better and more realistic picture of actual market values.

And if Wall Street can sell loans at a deep discount for cash, why can’t we bid on our own mortgages? Hell, we can all let our mortgages go 90 days delinquent, lowering their values, and step in and bid on them for a fraction of the value. Your $100,000 loan gets reduced to a $50,000 loan.

Congress is trying to put all of the blame on Wall Street, when it is Congress that imposed regulations creating this mess. The Community Reinvestment Act required banks to push loans in low to moderate areas. When the government found out that banks were already doing that and there was more demand from banks than the supply of creditworthy loans, they unleashed Fannie and Freddie to increase the supply by allowing less creditworthy loans into the GSE’s portfolios. And they keept reducing the credit standards while increasing loan amounts – in some cases over 100% financing.

And we now are supposed to blindly take the wrod of the people that created and ignored this mess to fix it when they still deny any accountability? Right.

By the way, what I “railed” about was the unbelivable preferential treatment given to Goldman Sachs by its former Chairman, Paulson, by inviting its current Chairman to the table in the AIG discussions. When Goldman was holding a $20 Billion potential loss if AIG failed. Sorry, but I think that is indeed “rail” worthy.

#65 DancesWithPumas on 09.30.08 at 12:23 am

17 Frodo
I check the Action Center email more frequently than I scroll the blog…so, if that works for you:
actioncenter@pumapac.org
and feel free to pass it on. ;)
————————–
Lilibet
That site is gone now. I think Trish said it was a server problem that wiped it out. I might be confusing that bit of info with another persons’s site tho. Either way, the site no longer exists.

#66 mountainsong on 09.30.08 at 12:23 am

53 osaka puma And I will be proud to work side by side with them.

#67 Hispanic4Hillary on 09.30.08 at 12:26 am

#63…Yes…he said you cant learn anything good there…guess he left it cause he didnt want to take FRAUD 101…

#68 indy on 09.30.08 at 12:26 am

Murphy,

From what I’ve read McClatchey is in the tank for Obama. I read that they are pro-Obama just like AP and others.

I was web-surfing and found this in a reader article from RCP:

A READER AT A MAJOR NEWSROOM EMAILS: “Off the record, every suspicion you have about MSM being in the tank for O is true. We have a team of 4 people going thru dumpsters in Alaska and 4 in arizona. Not a single one looking into Acorn, Ayers or Freddiemae. Editor refuses to publish anything that would jeopardize election for O, and betting you dollars to donuts same is true at NYT, others. People cheer when CNN or NBC run another Palin-mocking but raising any reasonable inquiry into obama is derided or flat out ignored. The fix is in, and its working.” I asked permission to reprint without attribution and it was granted.”

I just checked the RCP polls and Obama has 50% in Rasmussen and Gallup. I guess they’ll make sure he wins even if they have to fix the polls.

I got a call today from the Obama campaign asking who I was going to vote for. I told her I was undecided because I am afraid if they know how many Independents are going to vote for Mac they may step up their effforts. I’d rather have them complacent.

#69 mountainsong on 09.30.08 at 12:26 am

All this talk about ‘bailing people out’ from the top to the bottom of the heap is making me sick. I’m going to bed. And I’ll get up and go do some of that blister stuff again tomorrow, eat good, and sleep good.

#70 NewOrleansPuma on 09.30.08 at 12:27 am

#50Henrietta: Precisely. The so called Free Market Economy, the Adam Smith model of free market economics works and history has shown us this over and over only when there is real competition. It was true in the time before the rise of large, huge companies. If there were 4 or five or even two small businesses selling the same product, it worked..but when we hit large scale industrialization, it no longer worked…and when we stopped indentifying and countering the tendency for monopolies…the last time I remember any President doing that was John Kennedy when he took on and backed down US STEEL…
Large corporate entities of the size here are and have been unbridled..and we now are supposed to offer them the very same welfare they have all rejected for individuals…My point is certainly we must do something. But as my post indicated and you concured that something is not yet broad or specific enough to touch top to bottom business and consumer, more specifically homeowners…still attempting to pay for their homes.

#71 snowtiger on 09.30.08 at 12:27 am

66 mountainsong
we can afford more illegals here. If we see an even greater increase al we will see is greater exploitation of the worker. You are 100% right however, theybwill work of rpennies on the dollar while Amreicans collect welfare and we pay for it all while the unsrcupulous business owners get even richer.

#72 snowtiger on 09.30.08 at 12:28 am

can’t*

#73 drgav on 09.30.08 at 12:28 am

hello everyone…

just in case this has not been posted — A MUST READ:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/acorn_obama_and_the_mortgage_m.html

eye-opening conclusion:
Now you could make the case that before 2008, well-intentioned people were simply unaware of what their agitation on behalf of non-credit-worthy borrowers could lead to. But now? With the whole financial world and possibly the world economy trembling and cracking like a cement building in an earthquake, Democrats continue to try to fund their friends at ACORN? And, unashamed, they then trot out to the TV cameras to declare “the party is over” for Wall Street (Nancy Pelosi)? The party should be over for the Democrats who brought us to this pass. If Obama wins, it means hiring an arsonist to fight a fire.

#74 snowtiger on 09.30.08 at 12:29 am

9 mountainsong Nite :)

#75 lilibet on 09.30.08 at 12:31 am

Thank you, DANCES.
Then where is Anderson. Trish was here a lot yesterday. I get kind of lonely when they are not here.

#76 Hispanic4Hillary on 09.30.08 at 12:32 am

Everyone we have to make sure we do not patronize anything media that is PRO O…we must banned them. no subcriptions or buying of any magazine that is Pro O. Lets hurt their pockets as well. Is there a list on the Action Center somewhere?

#77 NewOrleansPuma on 09.30.08 at 12:33 am

#64Grizzly..i will drink to that, Grizzly!

#78 snowtiger on 09.30.08 at 12:38 am

bbl

#79 NewOrleansPuma on 09.30.08 at 12:42 am

#55snowtiger: I did that a while back, right after Hillary suspended. I joined this PumaPac, having reviewed other Puma related and anti-Obama groups. I also posted for a while on Clinton.Dems. Ialso subscribed to Nader’s site all through the Dem Primaries and am still a reader there. I have found over time both to be useful sites to see and consider all the issues of all three campaigns and to compare solutions,ideas, etc. My conclusionsd as far as who has the best most balance ideas for this country, ideas that would work, including now is Hillary Clinton. She is no longer in the race, alas and I am not happy she is supporting Obimbo.
My second choice and my first choice now is clear here as I have said more than once. I will vote McCain..there is no other realistic, pragmatic choice for me to make and given my review and knowledge of the man, I feel most comfortable with that, given the alternatives.

#80 indy on 09.30.08 at 12:42 am

Just found this article at politico.com. The link subject speaks for itself:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/Obama_sought_rape_victim_for_ad.html

#81 indy on 09.30.08 at 12:44 am

The link didn’t fully post. I’ll try again.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/Obama_sought_rape_victim_for_ad.html

#82 indy on 09.30.08 at 12:46 am

It still didn’t do it.

The rest of the link is: ictim_for_ad.html

#83 NoMoreInFL on 09.30.08 at 12:49 am

I found this site that allows you to write one letter to your senator and representative in Congress all at once. I just sent mine to all three in FL.

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/

#84 HillaryOrSarah on 09.30.08 at 12:49 am

Not all events in the news directly tie to Obama, it would be too easy. If we forget that, as a group, we might feel better but we lose credibility. It is interesting how these events do not happen overnight, but rather small mistakes lead to disaster.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

#85 Hispanic4Hillary on 09.30.08 at 12:51 am

With Russia doing military exercises with Venezuela and our economic crises. If our dollar is so weak…they can invade us and with our military out it would make it easier for them. I have quite a bit of arms in my house and I do not live to far from someone who has an arsenal in a bunk… McCain is the one who can make sure we do not get invaded….

#86 JaJo8845 on 09.30.08 at 12:58 am

I found this on Political:

You Tube and Warner Music Group today pulled a highly popular video that very succinctly and clearly spelled out the roots of the current economic crisis.
The 9:59 video entitled “Burning Down the House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis” played four different songs under a fast moving video sequence that very clearly tied Democrats like Chris Dodd, Franklin Raines, Jim Johnson and Barack Obama to policies and corruption related to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It cleverly showed how the “affordable mortgage” programs sent an economic virus through the entire economy and showed Republican efforts to intervene and regulate being blocked.
For Obama and all congressional Democrats, it was a devastating video.
The video had almost a perfect viewer rating and had been viewed some 1.2 million times according to the You Tube counters. Sometime around 3:45 EDT the video disappeared with the banner saying “This Video is no longer available due to a copywrite claim by Warner Music Group.”
This sounds to me a lot like another front in this war for the country.
continue reading:

#87 Cassie on 09.30.08 at 1:01 am

I wanted to know if anyone here can give me an opinion on Sen. Lieberman? CT Dems want to censure my Sen. while there’s another one, Dudd, who is only looking out for himself. My question is, should I do a prowl on this matter? This is a quote from Sen. Lierberman. The whole article is there also.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/25/connecticut-dems-circulate-censure-resolution-lieberman/

“Honestly, I thought that was the kind of thing that happened only in the former Soviet Union. I understand that people are unhappy, but, you know, I’m doing something that I really believe,” Lieberman told WICH-AM. “I thought in this country you don’t get punished for that. So, I hope that in the end, my colleagues will understand and life will go on either way.”

#88 madazzhel on 09.30.08 at 1:02 am

You can see that video “Burning Down the House”
here, at least for the time being:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NU6fuFrdCJY

#89 murphy on 09.30.08 at 1:03 am

from our great Puma friend Je’Amour in PA:

“Democracy In Suffrage, Free Us
Now, PUMA,will march on State College Pennsylvania, October 13, 2008, 2:30 PM all
McCain/Palin supporters welcome, and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton supporters who
will not vote Obama welcomed. “

#90 indy on 09.30.08 at 1:05 am

JaJo8845

Here’s a link to the Burning the House Down video:

http://outoftownnews.blogspot.com/2008/09/encore-burning-down-house.html

#91 greenfun on 09.30.08 at 1:06 am

JaJo8845

I was blown away to see the video pulled as well. These are insane times. I have been blogging this one-it still works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU6fuFrdCJY

#92 HillaryOrSarah on 09.30.08 at 1:06 am

#85 Hispanic4Hillary

Yup, the Russians would be surprised by the amount of AK47 and amo in my basement too. This is not even counting the M16 and A3s in my attack arsenal. They’d be scared to death.

Freedom doesn’t defend itself and McCain understands this very well.

#93 nhforhillary on 09.30.08 at 1:11 am

b>Colmes on foxnews

There were so many calls today that I couldn’t get through to congress to get someone on my show.

And he thought pumas didn’t exist?

#94 indy on 09.30.08 at 1:12 am

#87 Cassie,

Although I didn’t agree with Lieberman on the Iraq War, he’s OK.

What happened was the last time he ran for Senator he didn’t win the primary. So, although he was an incumbent Senator, the Dems still backed the guy who won the primary. So Lieberman ran as an Independent and won. (Guess that ticked the Dems)

Anyway, he has caucused with the Dems until recently when he appeared at the RNC convention.

Here’s the kicker – Zell Miller spoke at the RNC convention in 2004 and the Dems didn’t censure him.

I think the reason is that the Dems have been taken over by an extreme activist faction who lash back now at anyone who won’t back Obama.

It’s becoming a Police State. People better wake up!

#95 DancesWithPumas on 09.30.08 at 1:16 am

75 lilibet
:::::shrug:::::

#96 Cassie on 09.30.08 at 1:17 am

indy,
Thanks! I’m going to talk to Lizzy in CT tomorow and see if she wants to start a prowl.

#97 SATA_Interface on 09.30.08 at 1:26 am

You PUMA people are weird… How can you turn against Pelosi, your speaker?

#98 henry on 09.30.08 at 1:30 am

I am sure Murphy or others have expressed this

but i once again want to scream no ACORN.
Tell your friends about acorn tell everyone and if appropriate tell them waffles was thier attorny

but if nothing else
tell your reps

NO ACORN

#99 nhforhillary on 09.30.08 at 1:30 am

Bailout videos:

Burning down the house, what caused the economic crisis!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU6fuFrdCJY
http://outoftownnews.blogspot.com/2008/09/encore-burning-down-house.html

Timeline shows Bush and McCain warning Democrats of financial mess
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM

John McCain warned us about Fannie and Freddie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ROOriYvJM4

Democratic black caucus against regulatory reform of Frannie and Freddie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

Obama and the Black Democratic Caucus being in the pockets of Fannie and Freddie. They’re just all one big happy family taking our BAILOUT money now!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0

You can find a copy of the Bailout Bill here …
http://financialservices.house.gov/

Presidential Debate transcript has been uploaded .
Have at it!
http://pumapac.org/election.html

I found this on Political:

You Tube and Warner Music Group today pulled a highly popular video that very succinctly and clearly spelled out the roots of the current economic crisis.
The 9:59 video entitled “Burning Down the House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis” played four different songs under a fast moving video sequence that very clearly tied Democrats like Chris Dodd, Franklin Raines, Jim Johnson and Barack Obama to policies and corruption related to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It cleverly showed how the “affordable mortgage” programs sent an economic virus through the entire economy and showed Republican efforts to intervene and regulate being blocked.
For Obama and all congressional Democrats, it was a devastating video.
The video had almost a perfect viewer rating and had been viewed some 1.2 million times according to the You Tube counters. Sometime around 3:45 EDT the video disappeared with the banner saying “This Video is no longer available due to a copywrite claim by Warner Music Group.”

This sounds to me a lot like another front in this war for the country.

#100 freddiebrown on 09.30.08 at 1:31 am

51 Hispanic4Hillary
Wasnt it Bill GAtes who left Harvard and said “You can’t learn anything there.’ ?

*****
Yes, I believe Bill Gates also said that to be an entrepreuner… you either have it or you don’t. All the paper qualifications won’t help you if you don’t have the instincts for it. I agree whole heartily. That is probably the problem with the high flying, high paying CEO’s that we read about that run their companies to the ground in short time but they are smart enough to negotiate a fantastic parachute.

#101 NoMoreInFL on 09.30.08 at 1:33 am

#97 SATA_Interface You think we are weird, you should talk to an Obamabot!! Now that is beyond weird…their brains have been turned to mush, they no longer think on their own, they believe lies and do not do research that would open their eyes and ears to truth!

It is beyond weird!! :)

NO WAY NO HOW NOBAMA…NOW OR EVER!!

#102 freddiebrown on 09.30.08 at 1:33 am

Who is this *&^#@! BELOW ??? !!!!!

#97 SATA_Interface on 09.30.08 at 1:26 am
You PUMA people are weird… How can you turn against Pelosi, your speaker?

#103 LatinPuma on 09.30.08 at 1:33 am

I had to give you guys this gift reported at the RealClearpolitics site:

Finally someone has the courage to report about Obama and ACORN. Not the Democratic Party we used to have

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/acorn_obama_and_the_mortgage_m.html

#104 henry on 09.30.08 at 1:34 am

101
just the laugh I needed

#105 Nijma on 09.30.08 at 1:38 am

“Step up to the plate,” he told Congress. “Get it done.”
Obama said that?? TO CONGRESS???!!!

He did warn us, …”YOU are the change you’ve been waiting for”.

#106 murphy on 09.30.08 at 1:38 am

hang on.

#107 murphy on 09.30.08 at 1:40 am

sorry Freddie.

bye SATA.

night All.

#108 NoMoreInFL on 09.30.08 at 1:46 am

Golly a bot to play with…gone!! :) So clueless…must be the waves from holding their cell phone for their next instruction!

Democracy will be strong in America on Nov. 5!

NO WAY NO HOW NOBAMA…NOW OR EVER!

#109 freddiebrown on 09.30.08 at 1:47 am

Good Job Murphy !! As always..

#110 tennaseepuma on 09.30.08 at 1:49 am

HEY MURPHY WHO IS NIMJA? WHEN YOU CLICK ON THEIR NAME IT TAKES YOU TO AN OBAMA SIGHT?

#111 tennaseepuma on 09.30.08 at 1:54 am

sorry about caps…..

#112 EWard on 09.30.08 at 2:06 am

Just finished watching CNN, Couric’s interview with Palin and McCain. Memo to Katie Couric – you’re fired! Murrow must be turning over in his grave.

Couric to Palin – Is it something that you should be saying about Russia? HAVE THESE JOURNALISTS NO SHAME!

Then the facial reactions of Gergen and Martin just made me more angry. Gergen is the CNN analyst that labeled Hillary’s voters in KY and WV as racists because of one exit polling question. The MSM is part of a silent coup attempting to hand power over to BO, the most corrupt, dangerous, and unqualified Presidential candidate since Nixon.

Going to sign off for the night!

Pumas – One of our best prowls today!

#113 EWard on 09.30.08 at 2:10 am

#102 LatinPuma

Mona Charen is a conservative columnist. Kudos to her article about ACORN, Obama, and voter fraud.!

#114 rain on 09.30.08 at 2:20 am

Looking at Fox and listening to Rasmussen, I have come to the conclusion that the polls are fixed. They surveyed 500 people where to get their results. How many people did they survey in each state to get the results? What are the demographics? If they are polling Phildelphia then yes the polls would be higher for Obama but what about other areas such as southeastern PA. Obie seems to think that his role on the campaign trail is mutually exclusive of his role in Washington, yikes he really has it bad. The only one calling him on all of this stuff is Sean Hannity and Huckabee. Alan Combs needs to join Keith/Chris at NBC.

#115 indy on 09.30.08 at 2:22 am

Here’s an interesting article:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/fannie_mae_strongarm_monitorin.html

#116 itbj2 on 09.30.08 at 2:46 am

That graphic is very misleading. You need to put the % up not the actual number.

#117 Libby on 09.30.08 at 2:59 am

Cleaning up on the night shift as usual. It takes me that long to catch up with all the posts, plus I don’t have to be at work until 1:30 in the afternoon.

I’m in total agreement with the people who suggest that we should pass on links about Obama’s relationship with ACORN.

I really think that this needs to be made known to those who do not know this, and that would be most people who are not ACORN members, or PUMA members. The Fox channel is just picking up on this even though I have written about it for some time on message boards. Months have gone by as this info languished on the side issues that never made the big time media.

It will take even longer for CBS, NBC, ABC, or CNN to pick up on it UNLESS it becomes such a big issue that no one can ignore it.

We should all pick our favorite link to the association between Obama and Acorn, then forward that to as many associations and news organizations as possible until they can no longer deny knowing about it.

I worked IMDB for a long time, since it is one of my stomping grounds, until I needed a reprieve and came back here for some R&R. I had also worked the big tv stations with three initials. And my familiars in topic message groups.

If you have a place that you have been a previous poster, whether it was because you and friends posted about crime, trials, childhood illnesses, family issues, etc. I would encourage everyone to post their favorite links and info about Obama’s Acorn connections, especially as it relates to the housing crisis which led to this economic downfall.

Obama has been involved with this from the git-go.

It would not surprise me to read a history book, 100 years from now (not realistic) and find out that a close historical examination of the times found every bit of evidence to conclude that Obama got to this place in American Politics, because there was an orchestrated plan that included an economic downturn right before the election, that would give him a “got you” vote right into the Presidency.

This is accomplished by setting up a shell game, and the housing game for over 10 years has been a shell game. You hide the info, shuffle it around, and then ask the players to pick the shell that has the information.

No one tells you that the shell game has been a tool to take you in because then it would not work. You have to be slowly drawn in. Reassured that it is easy and you are smart enough to figure it out. Then the table disappears right in front of you. While you kept your eye in one place, somehow you had been diverted and never noticed that the prize was under another shell.

That is the housing game. No one knows who holds what mortgages and they just want to be bailed out. Who set up the game? The people behind Obama. Soros, Rezko, Bill Ayers, ACORN, and a dozen others. We have concrete evidence of it but the media wants to cover it up.

So send your best video or articles about Obama and Acorn to local newspapers and websites. Or write letters to the editor in your local papers. Or send the links and your take on it to the congress.

We have to fulfill the duty of the media since they are not on top of this. We have to inform them in enough numbers that they will pay attention.

Nice job, Pumas on message to not allow in earmarks in the bailout, or bow down to the threats by the thought police. Who would believe that in America, 2008, we would have to open the eyes of the U.S. to real democracy.

Back when I was a kid reading “1984″, I could never have believed that I might actually be living the possibility of it in 2008.

Personal note, I am a librarian and in my library today we had several people come in to get voter registration cards, before another person came in and set up a voter registration table. Someone is stirring the pot to get out the vote here and I’m not thinking that the people here will be voting for McCain. I hope I am very wrong.

I still hope that NJ will surprise the nation and vote for McCain. Our latest governor, also from Goldman Sacs, lied about everything he would do as Governor, and within a month turned our state upside down in all the wrong areas. NJ needs to be cleaned up and he just made it more dirty.

NJ Gov. Corzine jumped up on the stage for Hillary, only after he knew she had won. Then at the DNC he gave every NJ vote to Obama, even though Hillary had won a victory in the primary. It made me sick and this guy has been making me sick for a long time. I could not believe that a man I had backed could be so bad once he won. Within a month I regretted backing him. All these Goldman Sac people need to be out of the power loop. Corrupt to the end.

But Obama is the big target and we need to address that first. Financial crisis is a set up to get us to back Obama, but if people realize that he is behind the entire event they will turn away from Obama.

#118 DancesWithPumas on 09.30.08 at 3:00 am

76 Hispanic4Hillary

http://pumapac.org/boycotts.html

These are Boycotts Puma PAC Pumas organized on the blog.

#119 Asian4Hillary on 09.30.08 at 3:02 am

The Democratic Party stand up for NOTHING but ENABLER OF CORRUPT PEOPLE AND ORGANIZATION!

Here’s an EXCERPT about ACORN

Now you could make the case that before 2008, well-intentioned people were simply unaware of what their agitation on behalf of non-credit-worthy borrowers could lead to. But now? With the whole financial world and possibly the world economy trembling and cracking like a cement building in an earthquake, Democrats continue to try to fund their friends at ACORN? And, unashamed, they then trot out to the TV cameras to declare “the party is over” for Wall Street (Nancy Pelosi)? The party should be over for the Democrats who brought us to this pass. If Obama wins, it means hiring an arsonist to fight a fire.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/acorn_obama_and_the_mortgage_m.html

#120 HillaryOrSarah on 09.30.08 at 3:16 am

Good news, finally, from pollsters. In three of the five swing states Obama lags behind

Ohio 45.2 46.4 McCain +1.2
Florida 46.3 47.0 McCain +0.7
Pennsylvania 48.7 43.2 Obama +5.5
Missouri 45.8 49.0 McCain +3.2
Virginia 48.0 46.6 Obama +1.4

#121 itbj2 on 09.30.08 at 3:23 am

I don’t buy the Florida number. In my area there are hardly any road signs for Obama. Kerry signs were every where. My Brother lives in central Florida and the absence of Obama signs is even more noticeable down there.

#122 HillaryOrSarah on 09.30.08 at 3:34 am

#120 itbj2 Kerry signs were every where

Think about it, it’s economics: Obama makes people pay for signs, so in exchange for less advertising they get more moolah (we’ve seen that at work) and more “customer” leads (addresses, phone numbers) that can be then targeted for even more donations.

#123 nhforhillary on 09.30.08 at 3:35 am

Bush admin raised red flags starting in April 2001

The 2002 budget request declares that the size of the mortgage giants Fannie and Freddie “is a potential problem” because problems in either could “cause strong repercussions in financial markets”

In 2003 the White house warning about Frannie and Freddie was upgraded to a systemic risk that could spread beyond just the housing sector. In the fall of 2003 the Bush Admin was pushing congress hard to create a new federal agency to regulate and supervise Frannie and Freddie both Government Sponsored Enterprizes or GSE’s.

Treasury Secretary John Snow “We need a strong, worldclass regulatory agency to oversee the…operations of the GSE’s and the safety and the soundness of their financial activities.”

But they were getting alot of push back by then ranking member and now chairman of the financial services committee – Democratic Congressman Barney Frank!

#124 HillaryOrSarah on 09.30.08 at 3:44 am

#122 nhforhillary Bush admin raised red flags starting in April 2001

All hail to the great Leader. Are we *that* desperate? Hope not!

#125 sandipuma on 09.30.08 at 3:46 am

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=3105455&page=1

#126 HillaryOrSarah on 09.30.08 at 3:56 am

Good night all!

This is a big week, I’m rooting for my girl Sarah. I was a bit let down and I know that she can do a lot better. She has to.

#127 Libby on 09.30.08 at 4:20 am

I’m rooting for Sarah also. I hope she can be herself and clean Biden’s clock. She really needs to be herself and recognize a got you question and just say, hey, I’m getting caught up on some of the details but I have a great team behind me and we will be up to speed on day one.

I don’t like hunting and a few other things, but she is real. And in my book that is worth a few thousand Obama’s who don’t hunt, and are not real.

Real vs I’ll do my best to confound you and get your vote so that I can play out my mommy daddy issues and my agenda for those who brought me here….I’m going for the real candidate.

#128 Libby on 09.30.08 at 5:02 am

Check out the ACORN link at Just Say No Deal.

#129 Notyoursweetie on 09.30.08 at 6:14 am

Here’s the state of the race according to real Clear Politics
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/state-of-the-race/

#130 indy on 09.30.08 at 6:36 am

I heard the Black Caucus voted against the bailout. Including a chief of Obama’s campaign Jesse Jackson, Jr. I guess Obama doesn’t hold much weight with his leadership. This will take away Obama’s leverage at the Economy Debate.

The Black Caucus Argument: We don’t want our
people bailing out the
predatory lenders.

Rebuttal: But this Bailout Bill would have kept
your people in their houses, because
most of them were victims of
predatory lenders.

McCain would win that argument.

#131 slyt2 on 09.30.08 at 6:59 am

#127 Libby if you are still on do you have that link ( i don’t have it on this computer). good morning puma’s

#132 slyt2 on 09.30.08 at 7:24 am

Am I all alone here????? Is there a secret posting somewhere I don’t know about????

#133 ontherocks on 09.30.08 at 7:29 am

Hello and Good Morning PUMAs.
slyt2, you are not alone. I am reading posts in between getting my kids ready for school.

#134 slyt2 on 09.30.08 at 7:31 am

Ok good, just got my son breakfast the other is already gone.. :)

#135 kat in your hat on 09.30.08 at 7:35 am

MUST WATCH THIS! (look what happened)

Burning Down The House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis?v3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRmB93McZeI

(Make it viral. AGAIN)

#136 slyt2 on 09.30.08 at 7:46 am

Oh god morning joe just falls all over Robert Gibbs (from BO camp) and I don’t know why he is such a weasel. McCain is going to be on fox and friends not sure when but soon.

#137 slyt2 on 09.30.08 at 7:51 am

Well I guess John McCain is making the rounds he will be on Morning Joe coming up (don’t know when but sometime) Watch BO won’t go anywhere yet because he doesn’t want to have to answer any questions right now because he has NO CLUE what to do

#138 ontherocks on 09.30.08 at 7:57 am

slyt2,
Yep, sure sounds like BO.

#139 kat in your hat on 09.30.08 at 8:04 am

They tried to BAN this video, so look how he/ she fought back. Love rebels!

MUST WATCH THIS! (look what happened)

Burning Down The House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis?v3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRmB93McZeI

(Make it viral. AGAIN)

#140 1gypsy4mc on 09.30.08 at 8:06 am

138 kat in your hat Thanks for posting that again. I read on the American Thinker that it had been pulled yesterday!!

#141 bythelake on 09.30.08 at 8:11 am

PUMA mentioned on Fox again over bailout!

#142 slyt2 on 09.30.08 at 8:12 am

How did you found out they were trying to pull it , or should I say how did American Thinker find out.. Hey steve from fox and friends said something about PUMA and he said it our way NOT party Unity My Ass…

#143 1gypsy4mc on 09.30.08 at 8:15 am

141 slyt2 Today’s American Thinker said it was pulled yesterday afternoon. And the video tells you at the end that it might be pulled again, but The Mouthpiece will keep posting it! Just watched it again.

#144 turndownobama on 09.30.08 at 8:16 am

PumaResponders alerts for Sept 29. To receive these as we see them, by email, email tdo@turndownobama.com

Today’s topics:

* WP: Bill Clinton Talks Obama, McCain and Greatness
* LA Times: How Democrats set Sarah Palin up to ‘win’ Thursday’s VP debate
* LA Times: Back in Alaska, Sarah Palin’s poll ratings tumble a bit
* adn – GOOD INFO, BAD SPIN – Ivan Moore: Palin remains popular in Alaska but
not like before
* politico: Obama sought rape victim for ad

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TOPIC: WP: Bill Clinton Talks Obama, McCain and Greatness

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/28/bill_clinton_talks_obama_mccai.html
Comment link or box here.

Clinton elaborated on why he would use the word “great” for McCain: “What I
mean by saying that about McCain is, you know, most people would’ve been
broken by what he went through. Oh, we would’ve been happy just to give him
an atta boy and a medal and let him wander through life.

“I think his greatness is that he keeps trying to come back to service
without ever asking people to cut him any slack or feel sorry for him or any
of that stuff because he was a POW.

============
TOPIC: LA Times: How Democrats set Sarah Palin up to ‘win’ Thursday’s VP
debate

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/sarah-palin-m-5.html?cid=132712467#comments
Comment box at the bottom. Already had my name in it.

[[ In spite of the headline, this article has some good info and makes some
good points about Palin's family and unfair news coverage. -- tdo ]]

the U.S. media has so conscientiously managed to deny itself virtually any
inquisitions of *Barack
Obama’s<
* poor half-brother in Africa and his half-sister in Hawaii and *Joe* *
Biden’s* < mother and *
Michelle < *family.

It’s not new that American political campaigns, beneath a thinning veneer of
public gentility, can be intrusive, brutal, even disgusting affairs,
especially online.

McCain knows this too well from personal experience in 2000 when his adopted
daughter from Bangladesh was portrayed in South Carolina as the illegitimate
child of a biracial affair.

===============
TOPIC: LA Times: Back in Alaska, Sarah Palin’s poll ratings tumble a bit

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/back-home-sarah.html?cid=132714303#comments
Comment box at the bottom. My name already in.

[[ Note this is not really a change since January, it is a change WTHIN THE
LAST MONTH, SINCE THE MEDIA BEGAN TRASHING HER. Right after her nomination
she was still at 82% approval and about 13% disapproval. -- tdo ]]

Back in Alaska, Sarah Palin’s poll ratings tumble a
bit

But the new figure for Palin is down from a high of 82% in January, *which
she replicated in the days following her surprise selection Aug. 29* as *John
McCain’s * running
mate.
Also, her disapproval rating in the survey of 500 likely voters conducted
Saturday through Monday was at 27% — *double what it was at the beginning
of the month.*

==============================================================================
TOPIC: adn – GOOD INFO, BAD SPIN – Ivan Moore: Palin remains popular in Alaska
but not like before

adn – [GOOD INFO, BAD SPIN] – Ivan Moore: Palin remains popular in Alaska
but not like before

http://community.adn.com/node/131785
Comment box is here. Requires registration

[[ Here are the real numbers that have been spun negatively. Palin's rating
was high before and through when she got the nomination. Then the media
began trashing her and the Dems started polling against her. -- tdo ]]

Here’s Moore’s e-mail, under the heading “THE HONEYMOON IS COMING TO AN
END”:

*In a new survey conducted September 20-22, Ivan Moore Research finds Sarah
Palin’s positive-negative rating in Alaska taking a real hit, for the first
time since Palin was elected in November 2006. The survey was conducted with
500 likely voters in the State of Alaska, for a margin of error of 4.4%. The
track of the last five Palin ratings is as follows, along with a comparison
point from January 2008:*

*The mid-July poll was fielded just after the Trooper Wooten controversy
broke. The positive rating of 76% was down from previous measures in the
80′s. Despite negative press from the Troopergate issue, the subsequent
three polls through the end of September showed Palin’s positive rating
steadily increasing, and her negative steadily dropping. But in the last
three weeks, we’ve seen damage, with a swing of 14 points from her positive
to her negative.*

*Breakdowns by party affiliation and political ideology for the last two
surveys are illustrative of the internal dynamics:*

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TOPIC: politico: Obama sought rape victim for ad
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/Obama_sought_rape_victim_for_ad.html

His own campaign, apparently.

For background ammunition, see http://www.palinrumors.com and search for ‘rape
kit’.

#145 MamaPuma on 09.30.08 at 8:23 am

Good Morning all you wonderful PUMAs

#146 bythelake on 09.30.08 at 8:25 am

Good Morning MamaPuma….and all other Pumas! Rainy day here in NE Ohio, great day to sit back and prowlllllllllllllllllllll!

#147 1gypsy4mc on 09.30.08 at 8:25 am

144 MamaPuma Good Morning! I already sent out 6 more emails about the Bailout to Congress, so have been busy! :lol: :lol:

#148 bythelake on 09.30.08 at 8:26 am

I spread a little PUMA love on the ebay discussion boards yesterday, hehehe….I dropped the phone numbers to contact their congressmen! double heehee

#149 slyt2 on 09.30.08 at 8:27 am

morning MamaPuma :)
Bob Beckell is on fox and friends trying to stick up for BO but they aren’t letting him get away with it. heehee..

#150 1gypsy4mc on 09.30.08 at 8:27 am

#147 bythelake Great! :lol:

#151 slyt2 on 09.30.08 at 8:28 am

McCain is on Fox and friends right now….

#152 bythelake on 09.30.08 at 8:28 am

McCain on Fox right now!

#153 kat in your hat on 09.30.08 at 8:29 am

@ 140 bythelake: HOW was Puma mentioned over bail out?

@ 141 slyt2: Because when you went to play it again, there was a pink ribbon banner stating that it was banned due to Time Warner. (Using the music, but ALL youtube videos use music, and the music that was on the video was already on youtube, besides, you can play music as long as you do not profit)–just watch the video, it’s at the beginning.

@139 1gypsy4mc:

I’m going to send it to all the media, telling them that this youtube video had over 1.2 million hits when it got banned (which is true)…I’ll work on making it viral. This is the same crap that happened with google blogs (youtube = google), so I want to get the story out.

Wanna help?

Here’s media links:
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/dbq/media/
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111

#154 kat in your hat on 09.30.08 at 8:30 am

@ #152

OH! And I am also going to send them this article from yesterday’s NY POST:

O’S DANGEROUS PALS
BARACK’S ‘ORGANIZER’ BUDS PUSHED FOR BAD MORTGAGES
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09292008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/os_dangerous_pals_131216.htm?&page=1

#155 1gypsy4mc on 09.30.08 at 8:32 am

152 kat in your hat I’ll do it, but I have to go to work shortly. Could you do a post on the Drudge Report so everyone can see that it was pulled?

#156 ontherocks on 09.30.08 at 8:33 am

# 143

Boy oh Boy just when I think I can’t stand BO anymore something new comes up.

#157 turndownobama on 09.30.08 at 8:33 am

I hope everyone has seen Hillary’s plan for the financial crisis, which is in the Wall Street Journal, titled “Let’s keep people in their homes.”

As for Pelosi’s bailout currently in Congress…. When Republicans object to bailing out Wall Street, why should Democrats do it? Here is a strong objection from National Review.

Standing Athwart History, Yelling … Sure, Go Right Ahead [Andy McCarthy]
….
3) The Paulson-Democrat Wall Street Bailout will arguably make things WORSE, not better
….
· We may blow the best shot the federal government has to use taxpayer money wisely to “work out” of the current financial situation – getting it wrong will CREATE problems and HARM confidence, because fundamentally underpinning this situation is the assumption that the government can prevent a meltdown. If the plan fails, this opportunity may well disappear.

#158 mick on 09.30.08 at 8:34 am

TAKE IT UPSTAIRS!!

#159 1gypsy4mc on 09.30.08 at 8:35 am

Is that a new thread upstairs?

#160 turndownobama on 09.30.08 at 8:39 am

#129 indy on 09.30.08 at 6:36 am
The Black Caucus Argument: We don’t want our
people bailing out the
predatory lenders.
Rebuttal: But this Bailout Bill would have kept
your people in their houses, because
most of them were victims of
predatory lenders.
===================

INdy, are you sure of this? I heard there was NOTHING in the defeated bill to help the homeowners stay in their homes. It was Hillary’s plan that would do that, but hers was not worked up as a bill.

#161 bythelake on 09.30.08 at 8:39 am

Kat…fox and friends were discussing the bailout…they were talking about Pelosi and unity (her ad-libbed comments in her speech before the vote) Steve said “You don’t gloat until the Vote”)….Steve referred to PUMA, party unity my ass.(meaning Pelosi wasn’t showing unity by making the remarks she made)…and Gretchen in the background said, you know, the other ones….(I assume she meant the Puma’s without the A for ass but ACTION…US!)

#162 bodi1313 on 09.30.08 at 8:40 am

I don’t care if the pollsters are in the tank for Obama.
When a person walks into that voting booth, ALONE, what are they going to go?
Two wars going on, and the financial markets in turmoil. Are the voter’s going to think,”hey, I’ll roll the dice and go with the inexperienced guy?” I think not.

#163 kat in your hat on 09.30.08 at 8:44 am

@ 160: OH, thanks!

@154: I will.

:P

#164 steedeo on 09.30.08 at 9:41 am

Finally some headway re Obama’s citizenship. He is not a US citizen. It is finally getting noticed.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/29/fight-smears-website-admits-obama-was-kenyan-citizen-wheres-msm

Phil Berg, Attorney is asking for a donation. I gave him $25.00. We cant stop now, he will take it all the way to the Supreme Court, if necessary. God bless Phil for being so brave….

#165 steedeo on 09.30.08 at 9:46 am

Those polls are false. Remember in the primaries,
they were wrong. It’s just cnn brainwashing the public again….

#166 Bella-Me on 09.30.08 at 1:51 pm

This was in my email today:

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_______________________________
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