– Barack Obama, February 1, 2008
Funny thing about auras, though — they’re kind of hard to stick a pin into.
Percentage of Clinton Voters who said they would NOT support Barack Obama for President on June 8, 2008: 21%
Percentage who say they will NOT support Barack Obama for President TODAY: 28%
More HERE. I guess the more we get to know him, the less we like him, huh? And we’re Democrats for goodness’ sake. So 28% of us are definitely NOT voting for Obama. That’s what? Like 5 MILLION votes. Bush beat Kerry by 3 million votes in 2004. In any case, in addition to the 5 million Democrats who are already decided against Obama, there are still another 14% of Clinton voters who “haven’t yet made up their minds.” That’s another 2 MILLION or so Democrats who aren’t saying who they’re voting for. Bill Clinton beat Bob Dole by about 8 million votes in 1996, and it was considered a minor landslide. It may too early to say we told you so, but it’s not too early to start savoring the thought.
So, the Western State Strategy? You remember don’t you? Obama was going to competitively force McCain into fighting for his territory in the West and maybe even pick up some traditionally red states, like Montana, Wisconsin, New Mexico, and even Alaska? Yes, it was to be the triumphant culmination of Howard’s Brilliant 50-State Spending Spree, I mean Strategy. OOPS.
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1st?
1st!
Climbed the stairs and here I am.
Great poster!
171 snowtiger
I have read Michael Ford! But I truly think Crowely is soley based on his love of the sound of his own voice.
All my luciferian friends tease me that Satan could show up standing right infront of me and I would argue with him about his own existence…they are probably right.
Well, 2nd is good!
This is part of an email I just received. I sent a return email telling them how the party had left me and that I was voting for McCain/Palin.
top 10 ?
With less than 42 days to go, it’s going to be a sprint to Election Day.
But you don’t have to wait until November 4th to make your voice heard. With early voting beginning in Nebraska on Monday, September 29th — both in person and by mail — you can be one of the first to cast your ballot for Barack.
Early voting is fast, easy, and allows you to avoid Election Day lines. And it could make the difference in this election.
Show your support for Barack and Democrats up and down the ballot — make sure you are registered to vote and find your early vote location and hours.
#5 Caracal Carrie
I could arrange that if you want. 
Rofl.
(just kidding)
LOL snow! If I want to speak to satan Ill just call and wake Texas Tigress up in the middle of the night! That’s close enough!
(LOL)
Biden garbles Depression history
Joe Biden’s denunciation of his own campaign’s ad to Katie Couric got so much attention last night that another odd note in the interview slipped by.
He was speaking about the role of the White House in a financial crisis.
“When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the princes of greed,” Biden told Couric. “He said, ‘Look, here’s what happened.’”
As Reason’s Jesse Walker footnotes it: “And if you owned an experimental TV set in 1929, you would have seen him. And you would have said to yourself, ‘Who is that guy? What happened to President Hoover?’”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Biden_garbles_Depression_history.html?showall
Dances:
Did you work in this one too?
It’s a work of “ART”.
Of course I wouldn’t understand…
#60 KarlaforHillary,
There’s been a lot of great comments about how to handle what your sister said.
You could also ask your sister this question …
What do you call someone who graduates last in his class in medical school?
Doctor.
LILIBET
You were the first one to be second!
Yes, let’s start savoring, and it tastes goooood!!
On Sunday evening I got a call from Moveon.org. I left those guys as soon as I heard they were supporting BO after a brief informal question to their members, early in the year. The guy had an earful from me after he asked for my help volunteering in an office here in FLA.
He finished with: But you voted for Hillary, didn’t you? Yeah, I did.- Well, she’s supporting Obama!- he said. I answered: As much as I admire her, nor she or anybody else can tell me whom to vote for. Don’t call again, please.
It felt so good.
#10 Caracal Carrie
Roflmao,
You have more guts than I could ever envision having.
#161 (downstairs) Billie Jo
It is always shocking to me to see the kind of mis-information that people are getting. The Navel Acdemy is highly considered. I do not know about when McCain went there, here is today:
http://www.usna.edu/academics.htm
I suggest you ask your sister what rank Obama graduated with from the college(s) he did his undergraduate work at. The only information they released from the schools was that he did not graduate with honors. BO will not release his transcripts and his graduate thesis is mysteriously missing.
His great law school work was done after he met MO.
The O’bots love to compare BO’s Graduate Education to McCains undergraduate class rank. Apples and Oranges. BO was a drug abuser and probably just passed.
HELP NEEDED (again)
Does anyone have info that verifies that the DNC Drafting Committee mtg summarily rejected the I Own My Vote platform outright? I have the C-Span link of the entire meeting (thanks to Texas Tigress), but before I launch into another thrilling day of watching Howard Dean and his cronies drone on and one trying to find the 12 second segment where they rejected the I Own My Vote Platform without even a discussion about it, though I’d try to cut to the chase and see if anyone has info about that Moment of Rejection!
11 years old in Colorado suspended for anti-Obama T-shirt
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/obama-is-no-terrorists-friend-so-stop-saying-that/
Ahmadinejad addressing the U.N. Oh brother, he’s giving us a history lesson about God.
Mick – Yeah, then he’s off to be interviewed on Larry King. I suppose this is the New World Order!
I just read a great article that rails against Palin and Clinton bashers in the DNC. It’s great!
http://femisex.com/content/the-mommy-party-not-too-keen-mommies
This is a must read!
#21 Anna7000,
He’s asking for questions for his quest tonight. I think it’s time for a Larry King Live PROWL.
Who’s in?
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.lkl.html
Oops, I mean guest not quest.
MICK:
I forgot how to make those moving eyes smilies. Could you please tell me again.
Just now after reading the story about the Florida woman who was “supposed” to have told the reporter that she couldn’t imagine a black in the White House, I decided that if a reporter can not find a story that fits his agenda, he makes up a story that fits right in with his agenda.
MURPHY – You have mail.
Mick – I’d e-mail Murphy with that idea. I thought it was also tailor made for a prowl and commented on the previous thread. So far, no one seemed enthused. By the way, I found your Freudian slip of quest not guest to be perfect!
GBPuma-just went downstairs and saw your reply. I think your question had to do with security clearances and background checks.
If you google “Where can I find form 86?” you will be able to get the security clearance form for applicants for positions within the federal government that require certain levels of security clearance (the depth of the investigation depends upon the security clearance level).
The form notes “agencies, military, etc.” According to the official list of government agencies, “Executive Office of the President of the United States” is included in the list.
I believe these two areas were dealing with your question which had to do with background checks for someone running for President. Someone had posted that the SAC for the FBI in Cleveland had said the FBI didn’t do background checks on elected officials. As you can see if you review the security clearance form, there is a lot of information that has to be provided. Also, the President of the United States would also fall into the category of needing the mandatory security check every five years (that is, if he/she was re-elected). That information is on a different website than the form.
Not everyone is interested in this particular topic so if you would like more information about it let MamaPuma know and I can get more information to you via email.
169 GBPuma
#159 Anna7000
ARTICLE POSTING SUGGESTION
Anyone who wants to post an entire article (not just the link) has to pay for ad time! Maybe $5 or $10. What do you think?
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Anna, Amen!!
I think $5, or more, for anything longer than one to two standard summary paragraphs of an article with link.
and
$5 charge for links or Youtubes that aren’t accompanied by a sentence describing what their content.
Think of all the time and space we could save, to say nothing of the vast amounts that would be contributed to Puma PAC.
#17 Headclunker
#161 (downstairs) Billie Jo
I suggest you ask your sister what rank Obama graduated with from the college(s) he did his undergraduate work at. The only information they released from the schools was that he did not graduate with honors. BO will not release his transcripts and his graduate thesis is mysteriously missing.
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Thanks for the advice Headclunk but the link was my giving advice to another PUMA.
I have already turned both of my older sisters to not voting for the PovertyPimp. (Yup, I still like that title!)
#25 lilibet on 09.23.08 at 4:24 pm
Here ya go Lilibet. Save this link to your favorites.
http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies
“Funny thing about auras, though — they’re kind of hard to stick a pin into.”
True and they also have a muddy color when they are being disingenuousness.
Their true light does not shine forth, we will never have to worry about Obama’s true light or lact thereof.
McCain is talking about the bailout on Fox.
Oh ANNNNAAAAA – I have something 4 you …
“Not surprisingly, it was a non-starter from the DNC’s perspective. According to multiple sources, representatives for DNC Chairman Howard Dean ruled the proposed amendment out of order, since it spoke to a change in party rules, and referred it to the rules committee for a future discussion. Unlike other failed amendments, however, Amendment 93 was not even granted a debate at the platform meeting, a development which set some Clinton supporters on edge.”
Want the link ? Hmmmm ???
The Honeymoon is already over with the two on the Democratic ticket?
BIDEN: OBAMA AD MOCKING MCCAIN ‘TERRIBLE’…
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/22/biden-calls-obama-attack-ad-terrible/
OBAMA SCOLDS BIDEN ON AIG FLIP-FLOP: ‘JOE SHOULD HAVE WAITED’…
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/22/biden-calls-obama-attack-ad-terrible/
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How are you boys gonna win an election if you aren’t on the same page? Obama, give Joe some credit, he has some experience here….that’s why you picked him, right? Or was it to slap Hillary in the face again?
#29 DancesWithPumas
LOL yall are chargin me me right out of Puma. I have way more time than money, that’s why I make the videos and the web page!
Pumas , please send Bmw a get well e-mail !!!!!
Pumabmw60 at gee mail
I wish it were Nov 5th !
Some Radical Rules that perhaps we can apply to our future prowls.
#1 Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage.
#2 Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
#3 A good tactic is one that your people enjoy
Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.
#4 The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.
ie., When Brazile threatens that the blacks will riot if Obama does not win. That is a threat….
#5 If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counter side; this is based on the principle that every positive has its negative.
etc. etcetera
38 mijabsnji on 09.23.08 at 4:43 pm I wish it were Nov 5th !
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Yes, and Obama has already gone back home to Chicago Thug politicking.
jeez terrydo, i never read that book, but those are my rules right there in a nutshell.
guess I’m a good radical.
#159 Anna7000
ARTICLE POSTING SUGGESTION
Careful Anna, else you may be charged for double, triple and quadruple posts!
jeez terrydo, i never read that book, but those are my rules right there in a nutshell.
guess I’m a good radical.
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They come from Saul the man Alinsky himself. I thought maybe we could apply some of these tactics ourselves.
Of course, I am just a follower, but a good one . LOL
#21Anna and Mick: It is. Another part of the new world order is the new President of the UN General Assembly;;
Miguel D’Escoto Brockmann..and who is that? He is one of three silenced Catholic priests who practiced the art and craft of liberation theology in Nicaauragua, was a member of that government. Liberation Theology emanated within the Catholic Church and has been rejected by two Popes for its reduction of Scripture to the pracitce of Marxist ideologies. Brockmann can no longer speak or act on behalf of the Church. Is this a coincidence that he is elected while Obimbo, world citizen attempts to win the Presidency? I do not think so.
From an email from Hillary:
[That's why I'm proud to announce the first three U.S. House candidates HillPAC will be supporting for 2008: Rep. Chris Carney of Pennsylvania's 10th District, Dina Titus, running for Congress in Nevada's 3rd District and Rep. Ed Towns of New York's 10th District.
Chris, Dina and Ed represent the values we have fought so hard for over the course of this election. They stand up for every American's right to live up to their God-given potential. They'll provide a voice for all the people who have been invisible to George Bush and John McCain. ]
folk to support?
#19 Notyoursweetie
Ah but some one at my school was handing out Obama stickers in class and that goes unnoticed.
You can talk about the election as a educational tool but campaigning on government property is right out.
However if school district officials turn a blind eye to one and not the other then we have a real problem.
At my school district the Kool Aid flows like a river.
#44 New O’leansPuma –
That’s really ugly… do you have links on this guy… goofsdad wants to read up.
Hi my PUMA family!! I haven’t been able to even lurk in here but I just read some comments made by Biden about Obama regarding an ad against McCain, and it caught my eye that some people are mentioning the possibility that they are trying to dump Biden and bring Hillary back to counter attack Palin. I have also heard that rumor before today. I hope we are all clear that even with Hilalry back as VP we will NEVER VOTE for Obama in November, this coward strategy won’t work with us ! He can’t and won’t be president, and I hope Hilalry won’t play their new game again!!!!
#48 oscarp
I would be shocked if Hillary agreed to get on board.
Can’t see it happening.
34 Texas Tigress – Yes, do send me the link, or post it here. You are a treasure trove of info! What would I do without you???
34 Texas Tigress – Yes, do send me the link, or post it here. You are a treasure trove of info! What would I do without you???
well, at this point in history, I don’t think the OND (ex-DNC) really cares whom they shock with their decisions, they will do whatever to have him in the White House, again, I hope Hillary will be strong to say Enough is Enough!!!
Well DANCES:
Some people post soooooooooooo often that their posts take up a good deal of space. That article that I posted of Lynne was long, but I invited Murphy to take it of if she so desired. At least the article expresses something worth while reading.
Some people liked it!
REMEMBER NOVEMBER – Good one! And I just did a double post (but I’ve been good all day – saving my posts and being patient, hitting submit only once, having them lost, redoing….but my last post, oops, screwed up.
53 lilibet
Yeah, I liked it too!
36 Caracal Carrie
hey know… how about directing some umbrage toward the originator of the idea?
Yo, Anna!
anna – I’m sure whatever you are working on is worth any research I can do to help ! we’re gonna bust this WIDE OPEN !! LOL
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/12/clintons-still-want-to-ki_n_118415.html
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said that America is coming to the end if its road. He sees the economic crisis as a good sign–a signal from God.
Chavez laughed at us, how we speak of his socialism and yet here we are bailing out corporations, using taxpayer monies. Government supporting corporations.
Sigh.
Now would certainly be a good time for terrorists to strike, I am sure it’s crossed some minds at this point.
#47goofsmom: Read up on what aspect? His being silenced or his election to the Presidency? His presidency began on September 16th of this year…just a few days ago.
oscarp !!!!!!!! what a sight for sore eyes !!!!! Good to see you again !
#59 NewOrleansPuma-
That was vague of me, sorry… what he did to be silenced… if you have it… Thanks
“#21 Anna7000,
He’s asking for questions for his quest tonight. I think it’s time for a Larry King Live PROWL.
Who’s in?”
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.lkl.html
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I went to the link and filled out the form with the following message:
Doesn’t matter what you ask him… I will be boycotting your show… your network… and your sponsors. I will encourage all my family, friends, and neighbors to do the same for giving this man a voice.
PUMA Democrat.
Anyone else in?
#61goofsmom: I have beenfollowingthe whole actions re the Liberation Theology priests since they began in the 80s.p I will go hunt for some links that could recapitulate the issues for him..Essentially, however, he, and two other pirestswere publically reprimanded by Pope John Paul II when he visited there. He was told to leave the Ortega government. He refused…He served in that government many years…Let me go away for a while and see what I can find for his reading.
That would be better than taking up too much more space here..OK?
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/23/media-rebellion-over-palin-photo-ops/?nl=pol&emc=pola1
LOL
Paulson/Bernake FAIL
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8955/failkx4.jpg
neworleans – you always manage to scare the sh** out of me ! lol I hate that NWO stuff !! Love to read about it , but I hate to see it actually happening …
Also — for those that didn’t seen Gingrich on Greta last night…
This interview is a MUST SEE
Part 2 and 3 are short — Part 1 is the longest — but I agree with him on his views on the Bail Out Bill. I can’t believe I’m saying this but Gingrich makes sense.
Gingrich on Greta
Part 1 of 3
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=FAqUrpDAkKg
Part 2 of 3
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ayaWMYFQsus
Part 3 of 3
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=iC7m1iy5U70
58 kat in your hat This is the weakest our nation has ever been. This is a strategy – it has already been done in other nations. Gripple the economy – oppress the people, take-over! People just aren’t getting the picture. We don’t even have the additional troops to send anywhere – and now we won’t have the $$ to do it with!!
Oh, by the way? Where can I buy Mace? Or Pepper Spray? The same place as bullets and guns??
hi texastigress!! good to see you too! I am moving to a new office and I have been pretty busy getting rid of old stuff, hopefully by this Friday I’ll be in the new office, in the meantime I am trying to at least see how badly are things doing for Nobama!!
http://www.obamacrimes.com/
Fact check’s new phoncy BC debunked!
Biden: No coal plants here is America?
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Biden_No_coal_plants_here_in_America.html?showall
Hussein’s camp says that McCain caused this problem and B. Hussein’s gonna fix it – my @@@! With tax incentives. Why do people think they are going to get $$…so misleading – a tax credit is just that……no $$, just promises!!
63 NewOrleansPuma
Thank you so much.. I appreciate all your effort on this.
66 TexasTigress
You’re right it is scary…
69 oscarp Good luck in the move , then get your rear back here in the trenches ! We’ll make it as bad for XO as we can !!! LOL
#62 mzebest,
WoooHooo! Perfect response Mzebest!!
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http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.lkl.html
I went to the link and filled out the form with the following message:
Doesn’t matter what you ask him… I will be boycotting your show… your network… and your sponsors. I will encourage all my family, friends, and neighbors to do the same for giving this man a voice.
PUMA Democrat.
Anyone else in?
TexasTigress on 09.23.08 at 5:14 pm neworleans – you always manage to scare the sh** out of me ! lol I hate that NWO stuff !! Love to read about it , but I hate to see it actually happening …
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Keep your bee stick sharp, and your chain saw oiled!
57 Texas – Thanks for the link!
62 – Mzebest – What a great thing to write! I was trying to figure out what to type since I have no question, more of a comment. You’ve inspired me re: finding the correct path to follow!
#68 1gypsy:
Ya, the whole thing is not very comforting. It’s interesting. We live in such a civil society…I can imagine if this happened somewhere else that there would be a revolt of the people. But nope, not here. We just wake up like nothing is happening. Maybe that is a good thing…
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******* DEFEATING BO *******
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> We need to focus a lot of our efforts on the battleground (swing) states (esp OH, PA, FL, VA, CO, MI, WI, MN, NM, etc)
There are many things we can do, such as…
► Write & send persuasive emails w/links, – Forward good articles, – Email the media (see Action Center for media addresses and Talking Points to include in emails)… also – blog & post comments all over Web.
► Talk to & phone people, – go door-to-door, – distribute flyers (get ‘em in the Action Center), – reach out to key voting blocs (like Latinos, seniors, HRC-voters, women, etc), – work w/groups doing effective “anti-BO” campaigning (including http://www.johnmccain.com/ to get phone lists, donate, etc)
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> See my complete ACTION LIST in the Action Center, under “Landi’s Strategies to Defeat Obama”:
http://www.pumapac.org/prowlstalk.html
(the home page for Action Center: http://www.pumapac.org/action_center.html)
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OBAMA AUTHOR ANDY MARTIN INVITES INTERESTED “SHOE LEATHER” RESEARCHERS TO JOIN HIM IN HAWAII
MARTIN WILL LEAD A RESEARCH TEAM THAT WILL INVESTIGATE “THE LOST OBAMA” IN HAWAII
“WE ARE DOING THE JOB THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA REFUSE TO DO,” SAYS MARTIN
(NEW YORK)(September 23, 2008) Andy Martin has an invitation for those who want to join in the effort to research and investigate the “Lost Obama.” “Join me in Hawaii.” Martin will lead a research team in Hawaii October 15-22.
“We have a plethora of leads for Obama in Hawaii, and we have numerous stories with a Hawaii angle,” says Martin. “We have been forced to do the job the mainstream media refuse to do. The Internet rules!
“ContrarianCommentary.com is making available free participation in this research expedition. We are not collecting a penny from anyone. People who want to join us and share the research effort can make their own travel arrangements and hotel accommodations in Hawaii.
“We will link up on October 15th, and break up on the 22nd. We will have a full week to do in-depth investigation and reporting.
“It is strange that the media have ignored Obama’s Hawaii years. How many stories have you seen on his formative period? Virtually none. Obama was not shaped by Chicago; he pitched up there as an adult. ‘Barry O’ was shaped by his unconventional family in Hawaii. As a general election approaches, media usually write profusely on a candidate’s teenage years. There has been an iron curtain of silence imposed on Obama adolescence. All of us were teens once; we know how critical that development period is to our adult character. Truly, this is a period in Obama’s life that the media have tried to forget; they have created ‘the lost Obama.’
“We will lead team volunteers as they help assemble a true picture of Obama in Hawaii. It is a unique opportunity to see news and analysis in the making. All people have to do is provide us with a paid reservation and we will allow them to join the team. We will assemble in Honolulu at our hotel. And from then on, the sky’s the limit as we conduct our field research on Barack Obama. We will assemble each morning and each evening to share ideas, results, suggestions, conclusions and the like,” says Martin.
Persons who are interested in joining ContrarianCommentary.com’s research team in Hawaii October 15-22 may contact Andy Martin.
P.S. We often call ourselves #1 in campaign commentary, analysis and investigation. Our cutting edge analysis of William Ayers and Barack Obama has received notice as the first attempt to create a systematic timeline of the relationship between the two men.
http://swordattheready.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/puzzle-pieces-obamas-political-career-launched-by-terrorist-william-ayers/#comments
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/obamas-ties-to-ayers-back-to-high-school/#comment-11673
We are continuing our investigation.
DEFEATING BO IDEA
Any way for us to get a hold of phone books for key regions (like Pittsburg) and, I don’t know exactly, look through them for any organizations that might look symathetic to send mailings to. Just thinking out loud. Desperately trying to figure out how to target our actions where it will count the most.
Dances – you have mail in the action center – need your advice on whether to continue or not.
Landi – thanks so much for all of your work ! Got any new ideas for the Latino comm. / especially in Nv ???
lol
Also – those of us who follow up on your actions should be called Landi’s Lions
WHAT?? He has lost it.
LMAO!! OMG what??
Biden: FDR went on TV after the stalk market crash. Wait what????
http://amerpundit.com/2008/09/23/video-bidens-fdr-remarks/
Obama-Biden seem to talk at cross purposes lately. is this real, or staged to ease up a VP switch? It certainly got noticed
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/trouble-in-paradise-obamabiden-friction-real-or-staged/
#62
I sent feedback to Larry King too. This is craziness.
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TEXT for FLYERS and for EMAILS to others & the MEDIA) [TO HELP DEFEAT BO]
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> – Share any talking points that you think would be most effective in exposing and bringing down BO. (See those in the Action Center for ideas).
– What points and links are “musts” to include in powerfully convincing Viral Emails, media-Emails, flyers, etc.?
> – Share any ‘brilliant’ text you come up with for Viral Emails and Emails to the media and flyers (to use or model).
“The Obama the media does not want you to know about” OR “20 Reasons to Not Vote for BO”
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Puma – Great article in WSJ re: Obama and the CAC, also his associations with Ayres re:CAC
Sorry if this has been posted already
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html
One change though, I added the word terrorist instead of man.
Dear Mr. King,
It doesn’t matter what you ask Ahmadinejad tonight… I will be boycotting your show… your network… and your sponsors. I will encourage all my family, friends, and neighbors to do the same for giving this TERRORIST a voice.
I wonder if Hannity is on to something. At the beginning of his radio show he spent about 15 minutes on the rumor Biden might get dumped for Hillary. He brought up the idea that Biden may say some crazy things on purpose to get bumped out. He has said some Biden type comments ever since he said Hillary is a better canidate to be VP than he is. Maybe he is doing it on purpose. It’s getting press coverage.
#85 Notyoursweetie
Hmmm If Obama must dump Biden for Hillary that would show he made a mistake and so did the Democrats.
I think Obama is stuck with the pig, Oink!
#85 Notyoursweetie: “Obama-Biden seem to talk at cross purposes lately. is this real…”
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Yeah, it’s real. We know Joe Biden here in ne PA. The day O announced Joe as his VP pick, my husband turned to me and laughed and asked me how long I thought the O campaign would be able to keep Joe’s mouth shut.
Apparently not too long!
89 mick
“One change though, I added the word terrorist instead of man.”
Maybe we should add the question, “Is the only reason you are giving this terrorist a voice because he’s a friend of Obama’s” Even 5th graders are aware that Obama has terrorists friends — how come CNN fails to report this?
At this point who cares if Obama admits he made a mistake, the dem party has made a mistake just having him be their nominee. Maybe they should not dump Biden, leave him be number 2 and make Hillary Number 1 and dump Obama.
#19 Notyoursweetie on 09.23.08 at 4:04 pm
I work in Education and I’m sure it was the word “Terrorist” on that kid’s t-shirt and not Obama that was the issue. Schools are very, very hypersensitive to anything that even remotely suggests violence, since Columbine and lately, VA Tech.
Also, each school has policies about what students can and cannot wear; it could be that any garment that has hand painted text on it might not be acceptable at this particular school….
OMG – Mzebest and Mick, you are both on a roll. I think I’ll hold off a little while longer as I can see between the two of you, you’re going to hone a perfect gem of a comment/question. I’m making note of all your post numbers and will continue to wait to see what else you two masterminds come up with. I love it!
82 bobram
Will read your email when I get home this afternoon and respond.
New content if anyone want’s to read..
http://puma-facts.com/dont.aspx
98 Caracal Carrie
I like the juxtapositioning.
http://puma-facts.com/dont.aspx
PS Typo in first line, you wrote “and” should be “an”.
#92 emme
Ah but now comes the time to compare and contrast the two tickets.
They said Palin is to inexperienced to take the rains of power if poor old McCain kicked the can.
Biden says America enjoyed a fire side video chat with FDR in 1929.
Nuf said.
TexasTigress on 09.23.08 at 5:27 pm WROTE:
Landi – thanks so much for all of your work ! Got any new ideas for the Latino comm. / especially in Nv ???
Also – those of us who follow up on your actions should be called Landi’s Lions lol
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That’s hilarious!
I’ll have to think some more about this one… and brainstorm with my Latino puma friends.
I actually have one (new) Mexican-American friend who lives in Incline Village, Nevada, who works in the CA Lake Tahoe area, near where I go sometimes. She’s undecided (about the election) but maybe can help in getting me/us connected in NV.
Anyway… I’ll post a couple of more things I prepared before (when everyone was sleeping).
I knew Biden could not keep his mouth shut for long. He’s unloading more and more each day. He’s no longer on the same page as Obama, either is Bill or Hillary. Bill and Hillary have said in the last few days their plans on what to do about the current crisis not endorsing Obama plans, I don’t know if he even has one.
#96 Anna7000
Well if you really want to get flippant with suggesting a question to Larry King… we could add to the boycott commitment a question such as “My question is aimed at Larry: Can he also have Obama on the show since Obama likes to talk to terrorists without preconditions too?”
#73goofsmom: There is a site called New Advent.
On this site is a source document, written by JosephCardinal Ratzinger, the present Pope: “Instruction on Certain Aspects of Theology of Liberation”, Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, August 6, 1984. Note the date here. This provides a good overview of the issues surrounding the so called theology of liberation. If goofsdad wants more information, I can provide it. These three priests rejected such distinctions among other things, and thus were silenced permanently. http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_df84lt.htm
The mother of all flip-flops – Obama just took back everything he ever promised this election
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/the-mother-of-all-flip-flops/
Mccain should jump all over this. The obama team is starting to fall apart and on Friday he should go after it during the debate.
99 dwp
fixed thanks!
#96 Anna7000
hahahahahahahahlol!
#96 Anna7000
Your assessment is perfect! Best laugh of the day!
18 million people bought into this and now what do they think. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13779.html
Dances are you there now?
#103 mzebest
oops. Apologies mzebest. that’s a great line.
Hillstheone – You have mail.
SOmeone posted a link between factcheck and OBama. Does anyone have it?
This is a comment from digg on the Palin anti Iran rally.
“The dirtier the Democrats play, the more backlash they generate. Threatening non-profit anti-genocide groups with revocation of their tax exempt status because they invited Sarah Palin was a bad move on their part.
Democrats need to hit the “reset” button this election cycle by voting Republican – from top to bottom.”
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Anti_Iran_Rally_Turns_Into_Anti_Obama_Rally
I didn’t know they threatened them like that is this true?
The other 18 million knew better
Are you looking for this link http://www.obamacrimes.com/
Anna7000 on 09.23.08 at 5:25 pm WROTE:
DEFEATING BO IDEA
Any way for us to get a hold of phone books for key regions (like Pittsburg) and, I don’t know exactly, look through them for any organizations that might look symathetic to send mailings to. Just thinking out loud. Desperately trying to figure out how to target our actions where it will count the most.
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Good idea! Many city libraries have phone books for all the major US cities.
“even pick up some traditionally red states, like Montana, Wisconsin, New Mexico, and even Alaska”
WWooWoow Woow….need to correct this statement…WI has never ever been a
“Red” state….WI has generally been a Dem state but we are mostly Purple
always a decider state that is Democratic/”Old” Progressive Independent Swing
and a decider of Presidential elections……..95% of the time WI has voted for who
the President will be….like they say “How Ohio goes so goes the country” can be
said about WI. (except the last 2…but we know about them don’t we.) 21 of last 27
President elections since 1900.
Pres. Vote Year State voted for
Dem +0.38% 2004 Kerry
Dem +0.22% 2000 Gore
Dem +10.33% 1996 Clinton
Dem +4.35% 1992 Clinton
Dem +3.61% 1988 Dukakis
Rep +9.17% 1984 Reagan
Rep +4.72% 1980 Reagan
Dem +1.67% 1976 Carter
Rep +9.68% 1972 Nixon
Rep +3.62% 1968 Nixon
Dem +24.35% 1964 Johnson
Rep +3.72% 1960 Kennedy
Rep +23.74% 1956 Eisenhower
Rep +22.24% 1952 Eisenhower
Dem +4.42% 1948 Truman
Rep +1.80% 1944 Dewey
Dem +1.83% 1940 FDR
Dem +33.54% 1936 FDR
Dem +32.27% 1932 FDR
Rep +9.24% 1928 Hoover
Prog +16.90% 1924 LaFollette
Rep +54.93% 1920 Harding
Rep +6.59% 1916 Hughes
Dem +8.41% 1912 Wilson
Rep +17.85% 1908 Taft
Rep +35.20% 1904 Teddy Roosevelt
Rep +24.09% 1900 McKinley
#110 vadaryl on 09.23.08 at 5:56 pm
18 million people bought into this and now what do they think. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13779.html
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Worked out perfectly for the PovertyPimp…now he can blame all the flip flops on Health Care mini plan (not Universal of Hillary’s) and all the green jobs on the Bush bail out. A FLIP-FLOP THAT KEEPS ON GIVING.
Way to go BailOutBo!
Maybe this link http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/21-factcheckorg-credibility-in-question
Now Biden Retracts Slam on Obama Ad
Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:28 AM
By: Jim Meyers Article Font Size
Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden has backed away from a recent remark that called a political ad from his running mate Barack Obama’s campaign “terrible.”
The ad, launched this month, included unflattering footage of Republican presidential nominee John McCain at a hearing in the early 1980s, wearing giant glasses and an out-of-style suit, interspersed with shots of a disco ball, a clunky phone, an outdated computer and a Rubik’s Cube.
“He admits he still doesn’t know how to use a computer, can’t send an e-mail, still doesn’t understand the economy, and favors $200 billion in new tax cuts for corporations, but almost nothing for the middle class,” the ad said.
In an interview with CBS News on Monday, Biden said he disapproved of the ad, declaring: “I thought it was terrible.” He also said: “If I had anything to do with it, we’d have never done it.”
The McCain campaign immediately attacked Obama, invoking Biden’s words, The Washington Post reported.
“Barack Obama has brought the sleazy gutter politics of Chicago to our national stage, exposing his call for a ‘new politics’ as a lie and embarrassing even his own running mate with the low road campaign he’s running,” said campaign spokesman Brian Rogers.
But in a statement the Obama campaign issued later, Biden says he had never seen the ad and only read press reports about it.
He also said: “Having now reviewed the ad, it is even more clear to me that given the disgraceful tenor of Senator McCain’s ads and their persistent falsehoods, his campaign is in no position to criticize.”
Billie Jo – So happy to see you! Just want to assure you that all concerns from yesterday are done, moot, nothing pursued, no worries.
Mzebest – You are on such a roll! I’m not usually the flippant type (but who knows, give me a few more hours of political and media bs today and I could be!), but hopefully some flippant PUMAs will scroll by and see your latest idea! Keep ‘em coming!
#90 vadaryl on 09.23.08 at 5:36 pm
I wonder if Hannity is on to something. At the beginning of his radio show he spent about 15 minutes on the rumor Biden might get dumped for Hillary. He brought up the idea that Biden may say some crazy things on purpose to get bumped out. He has said some Biden type comments ever since he said Hillary is a better canidate to be VP than he is. Maybe he is doing it on purpose. It’s getting press coverage.
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Maybe he’s just stupid…
#105 Notyoursweetie on 09.23.08 at 5:52 pm
The mother of all flip-flops – Obama just took back everything he ever promised this election
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/the-mother-of-all-flip-flops/
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That is wonderful. I would make it into a flyer, but it’s yours and it would be great!
Biden also said he did not care for the lipstick issue too. He’s on a roll now.
CARRIE:
Your site is fabulous and keeps getting better!
INDIANA: Nation Witnesses Lake County Style Election
The last sentence reads: There was no WORLD…
You meant to say: There was no WORD
Obama factcheck.org ties:
http://clintondems.com/2008/08/obamas-connections-to-factcheckorg-exposed-by-texas-darlin/
#117 vadaryl
Thanks I’llmuse that but, someone had a connection,behind the scenes kind of thing.
128 Grizzly o
Thats it!Thanks Grizzly
snowtiger maybe Grizzly #128 has the link you were looking for.
I’m listening to Jim Cramer on CNBC and he’s explaining Paulsen’s plan and how it will help the economy – the plan that congress is now fighting over. It’s interesting…
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/09/obama_misleads_on_social_secur.html
BTW RE: BILL CLINTON’S INTERVIEW ON “THE VIEW”
I’m pretty sure the person he was referencing when he talked about a Dem woman, a psychologist, in DC who won’t be voting for BO might be Lynette Long. If so, interesting little bit of subtext.
Just ordered one of the Howard We’re not coming Home Puma shirts. It will be a fun night shirt. I will alternate with my Hillary Refused to Be Knocked Down shirt. Keep the spirit alive.
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– If anyone has access to Dem voting lists in swing states, Murphy is asking you send them to: murphy@pumapac.org or PO Box 556, Carlisle, MA 01741.
– One strategy that’s been suggested is to sign up at O’s &/or at Mac’s website
( http://www.johnmccain.com/ ) for phoning to defeat BO (see other post)
– If anyone comes up with good model “SCRIPTS” to guide us when we call others (or talk to others)… Post any ideas here!
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is today one of deadline for the lawsuit????
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SCRIPTS for PHONE CALLS to defeat BO
One possible way to open the phone conversation:
“Hi… my name is [Make up a name if you like]… [OR: “I’m a concerned Democrat” (if calling Dem lists)… or “I’m a concerned citizen”]… “[And] I’m very concerned about the choices we have in this presidential election. I feel that electing Barack Obama would not be very good for our nation. I’ve done quite a bit of research on him and I can share with you some of what I know that you may not be completely aware of. I can also try to answer questions you may have about Obama [OR “the candidates”]……..
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– What do ya’ think? Anyone have any other suggestions for “openers” or for entire “scripts” to use as guides when phoning others?
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Hi Puma’s
I attended a McCain/Palin rally yesterday in Media, Pa.
It was a lot of fun. I meet some interesting people there. And Orange County choppers were there from the show and surprised McCain with a motorcycle. There were people there with shirts that said , “Bikers for McCain”. Also the Father from that show (don’t know his name) He mentioned McCain as being a vietnam war vet and mentioned his commitment to his country. It was a great closing to the event. Everyone’s saying they will be back here again as Pa. is a undecided state right now.
Also did my prowl for today “equal pay”.
Take care, Puma’s
#66TexasTigress: Oh I am so sorry…would never want to scare the…out of you! I would definitely like to scare some reality into the blind mice following Obimbo, however! This stuff scares the …out of me…too…It should, because something of this kind is and has been going on and it has taken a huge shift now, with the financial debacle…Here is something else not to forget:
Osama bin Laden said quite a while back he would take us down through our financial institutions….Am I the only one who remembers that? LOL
I’ve been a lurker, and very depressed since Obama won the nomination. However I just thought of something that really cheered me up.
Hillary would be the MOST PERFECT USSC justice!!!! She knows the law, and is a Constitutional Scholar, and in a way, USSC is a waaaaaay better gig than President: It’s a gig FOR LIFE!!! I think she could do far more good as Justice Clinton!!!
I have to feel better. I MUST look on the bright side! Whomever the next president is, they’ll likely make three USSC appointments. Justice Clinton should be the first!
Idk if this has been postedbut. http://www.mylot.com/
Mylot. Pays you to post and there a lot of “o” supporters there who could use some PUMA love.
#140 You are RIGHT!!!
bobram You’ve got mail
laurey You’ve got mail
CNN POST (Mzabest, guess it turns out I can be rather flippant after all!)
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Dear Mr. King:
Why on earth would you have Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on your show? What could possibly propel you to give air time to one of the worlds leading terrorists? Do you not realize that by interviewing him you give him credibility? Is there no journalistic, professional, humanistic line in the sand that you and those at CNN draw beyond which you will not cross?
I will not be watching your interview with this horrible man, nor will I be watching any other interviews you may conduct in the future. You, and CNN, have lost me as a viewer, permanently.
At the end of the day, how do you all live with yourself? You’ve lost my support, but you have my pity.
#144 Anna7000
Pretty good… and as you said… maybe other PUMA’s will have the nerve to ask the other ideas I posted.
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GETTING PHONE LISTS for phoning to defeat BO
freddiebrown on 09.22.08 at 5:18 pm GETTING PHONE LISTS TO CALL :
#107 TexasTigress on 09.22.08 at 4:36 pm:
Landi – what if we signed up to make phone calls for Obama and then when we get the phone list we call the people and tell them not to vote for him ???
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freddiebrown WROTE:
If anyone is interested, you can sign up (don’t use your info) and get a list of people that Obama wants you to call. This is from their Neighbor to Neighbor project.
Once you get this list, you can either choose to NOT call (therefore tying up their list) or call and get them to not elect NoBama. I have signed up many times to get the list…
Use this link and go to the sign up. The list will appear on your screen right away so you can copy and paste to call or just ignore it.
Sometimes you may not get any phone numbers – it depends on the zip code. You just have to try again. Once I didn’t get anything, it said no phone numbers available but I poked around and when I came back to the page, there were 25 phone numbers waiting for me.
http://my.barackobama.com/modules/votercontact/login_signup.php
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utahpuma on 09.22.08 at 5:26 pm WROTE:
Landipuma, Ontherocks, TexasTigress……
Heck, I’ll register to make calls and do whatever it takes to get as many lists as I can. I’ll make the calls but need to come up with what I’ll say. Maybe just mark them as calls made and get another list………………
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Landi here: Would that give us local phone numbers or do they give us an option to get numbers for swing states?
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#62 mzebest on 09.23.08 at 5:13 pm
Doesn’t matter what you ask him… I will be boycotting your show… your network… and your sponsors. I will encourage all my family, friends, and neighbors to do the same for giving this man a voice.
PUMA Democrat.
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Just sent the same comment as yours mzdbest, hope you don’t mind…..
Repost from #62 above if anyone else is in:
Larry King is asking for questions for his quest tonight (Ahmadinejad). I think it’s time for a Larry King Live PROWL.
Who’s in?”
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.lkl.html
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I went to the link and filled out the form with the following message:
Doesn’t matter what you ask him… I will be boycotting your show… your network… and your sponsors. I will encourage all my family, friends, and neighbors to do the same for giving this man a voice.
PUMA Democrat.
Anyone else in?
Hillary announced her Hill Pac candidates she would like us to support.
I haven’t checked them out yet.
http://www.actblue.com/page/first?refcode=e.20080923
LARRY KING WILL BE INTERVIEWING THE PRESIDENT OF IRAN, MAHMOUD AHMADINEJAD, TONIGHT.
I’m reposting the link, thanks to Mick and Mzebest, for all those interested in leaving a comment. Be aware that although the little form you have to fill out to leave a comment does not say e-mail is optional, it is. I didn’t include mine and my comment went through. Also, take note that at the bottom of the page there’s a statement that they may use/print and or all of the info you provide so you may want to use a fake name, city, etc.
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.lkl.html
#147 TerryDo
I don’t mind… and for other PUMA’s — I offered variation questions you can add at posts #93 and #103
149 Kat – Got that e-mail as well. Problem is, Act Blue is in the tank for BO big time. They dumped The Denver Group because of TDG’s political activities. Ugh. Hard to find any place any more that’s sympatico. Thank God for this blog!
145 Mzebest – “pretty good”. ah, i feel so B-/C+!
GYPSY you have mail.
#137 storytellers on 09.23.08 at 6:16 pm
is today one of deadline for the lawsuit????
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Yes, today is the day they were told to respond by.
PROWLS WORK Sorry is is alittle long. This concerns the university where the professor asked the students to tear apart Palin’s Speech:
Thank you for your concerns about the issues mentioned in recent news media stories. Metro State senior administration first learned of this situation via an article in the WorldNetDaily on Tuesday, Sept. 16. At that point, the College had not received any student complaints about the topic written about in the article.
Once Metro State became aware of this issue, administrators spoke with Affiliate Professor Andrew Hallam. Hallam agrees that while he was attempting to provide his students with a current and relevant writing assignment that would civically engage them, he should have expanded the assignment to allow the students to focus on more than one political figure.
The assignment was given on Thursday, Sept. 11. After further consideration over the weekend, Hallam decided to broaden the assignment and include other political candidates. A revised assignment was given at the next class session on Tuesday, Sept. 16, the same day as the WorldNetDaily article.
This morning, after being interviewed by several media outlets, one of Hallam’s students did file an official complaint, which the College is now investigating. If additional students in this classroom feel they have been bullied or harassed by students or a faculty member, we strongly encourage them to share their concerns with the College. English Chair Cindy Carlson attended Hallam’s class today and has publicly said her door is open to any concerned student or parent.
Metro State policies protect the freedom of both professors and students to discuss academic subjects fully, engage in research and publish the results of research, and write or speak as citizens without fear of institutional censorship or discipline. For professors, this protection is balanced by professional obligations, which include:
· Protecting the academic freedom of students
· Demonstrating respect for students as individuals
· Refraining from harassing or intimidating students.
If the College’s investigation concludes that a faculty member’s behavior is inconsistent with these rights and obligations, the College will intervene with such action as may be needed to correct the inappropriate behavior. To the extent permitted by law, the College will inform the public of this action.
Thank you again for your feedback. If you have additional questions, feel free to contact me directly.
Catherine B. Lucas
Associate Vice President of Communications and Advancement Metropolitan State College of Denver
(303) 556-5131
lucascat@mscd.edu
Gee PUMAS – just saw on faux news that the same percentage of Hillary supporters that were not voting for cupcake in June 2008 is exactly the same percentage today – Guess we really are the ones they weren’t expecting – remember – get over it – they’ll be back – where else are they gonna go – they’ll fall in line – think they believe us now???????????????????????????
84 shampoovta on 09.23.08 at 5:28 pm
WHAT?? He has lost it.
LMAO!! OMG what??
Biden: FDR went on TV after the stalk market crash. Wait what????
http://amerpundit.com/2008/09/23/video-bidens-fdr-remarks/
OMG, Biden sounded as if he were half in the bag.
Televisions only became commercially available in the late 1930s, most Americans didn’t own one, and FDR didn’t give a fireside video chat on the stock market. As for the second excuse (which alleges he was a New York Governor so he may’ve addressed America), that still would’ve meant that there was no commercially available television in 1929. Even his spinners can’t get their stories (or which crash he was talking about) straight.
It would be kind of funny if it wasn’t so sad.
Would love to see a domino effect as follows:
Obama dumps Biden
DNC dumps Obama
The real democrats from the United States of America bring the only candidate worth to be selected as the real Democratic nominee !!! The DNC decides to go back to the roots for which it was founded many years ago. But they are so corrupted that the last one is very unlikely to happen
Susie1945,
- remember – get over it – they’ll be back – where else are they gonna go – they’ll fall in line – think they believe us now???????????????????????????
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Ah…ah……….ah……..I’ll get her’s, but I………. ah…….
don’t think…………. she’ll get mine!
Bwahahahahaha, wrong again!
Obama May Not Return to D.C. for Bailout Vote
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/23/politics/fromtheroad/entry4472357.shtml
Although Barack Obama argues that the financial meltdown is an “emergency situation”, he said today that he may remain on the campaign trail, rather than returning to the Capitol, to vote on the $700 billion plan.
“Look if we get a consensus and everybody is popping champagne – then I will probably be going back to campaign with folks who are having a tough time in places like Ohio, and Michigan and Pennsylvania,” Obama said adding, “If this ends up being a close vote or a vote where the outcome is an open question then obviously this is a top priority.”
popping champagne???? someone please put me out of my misery.
Poll in Iowa for who is responsible for the mortgage crisis! Scroll half way down. On the right side of page. Thanks!
http://www.kcrg.com/explorepolitics/29260279.html
93 mzebest on 09.23.08 at 5:39 pm 89 mick
“One change though, I added the word terrorist instead of man.”
Maybe we should add the question, “Is the only reason you are giving this terrorist a voice because he’s a friend of Obama’s” Even 5th graders are aware that Obama has terrorists friends — how come CNN fails to report this?
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Could it be that CNN is not smarter than a 5th Grader?
and then there is this:
Stephanopoulos: McCain Holds Key to Administration’s Bailout Passage on Capitol Hill
ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos reports: If Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain doesn’t vote for the Bush administration’s $700 billion economic bailout plan, some Republican and Democratic congressional leaders tell ABC News the plan won’t pass.
“If McCain doesn’t come out for this, it’s over,” a Top House Republican tells ABC News.
A Democratic leadership source says that White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten has been told that
Democratic votes will not be there if McCain votes no — that there is no deal if McCain doesn’t go along.
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BillieJo – Dances was asking me/us about possibly creating an action item for the Action Center to organize a meet-up for going to NV from CA… Maybe we can think about what that would entail (like getting the word out, organizing carpools, meet-up and destination points, etc). See if you want to contribute ideas to this.
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TexasTigress – I was wondering if you saw my post to you (#101)… not that it calls for a response… just wonderin’
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Anna7000 – same thing… wondering if you saw post #118 where I suggested that libraries are a good place to find phone books of major US cities.
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#149 kat in your hat
I posted Hillary’s candidates #45
[HillPAC will be supporting for 2008: Rep. Chris Carney of Pennsylvania's 10th District, Dina Titus, running for Congress in Nevada's 3rd District and Rep. Ed Towns of New York's 10th District.]
#161 taggles1 on 09.23.08 at 6:50 pm
Obama May Not Return to D.C. for Bailout Vote
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I saw an article that said the PovertyPimp, Joe and John wouldn’t be there to vote. Will be watching on the sidelines….too busy on the campaign trails.
I guess they all left it to the most qualified to vote…. she rides in on her white horse, saving the day as the only one that is willing to make a decision.
#146 LandiPUMA on 09.23.08 at 6:30 pm
I just went to that site and got some phone #’s. You can put in any zip code you want – I did Keene, NH tho I live in VT. For my address and phone I gave the Walmart in Keene. I got ten names. One female was listed as being 108 years old. OMG!
Sure……..they want McCain to take the falll…….sure…….but guess what?……..they’ll have to stay actually working until they come up with a true solution! Where is Hussein in this? Why isn’t he there working on the “bailout” situation? Don’t think for one minute that McCain doesn’t know what they’re up to!!
127 lilibet
Thanks fixed!
Thanks god for you guys I keep making the typos that make it past spell check LOL
#165 LandiPUMA
Goandersen and I are riding with Greenfun, so the day we leave is up to her.
If the timing works out for all of us it would be wonderful to have a PUMA pounce together. Maybe tomorrow we will find out a date, I think we will go for 3 days or so.
Try to remind me later tomorrow or Thursday and we can swap stories. It may be the second week of October. Who knows, maybe Berg will turn the tables by then. I can always hope.
163 TerryDo
“Could it be that CNN is not smarter than a 5th Grader?”
LOL! I think that truly is the case. Maybe that should be left in with the question and posed to CNN?
JamesLF get your facts straight befor you post Pumas tend to be well informed …
I gotta stop this newspaper research for the action center as I get too involved in the headlines on each newspaper on line – Breaking Poll in Colorado just NOW – Obama has now taken over a 4 point lead there -
49-45 – McCain had been leading by 2 points – 15 point lead for Obama by women – white votes for McCain by 7 points. Rocky Mountain News – I am just now registering for an account so that I can post some naughty things about Precious.
#169
Wait a minute JamesLF – where are you coming from?
I thought the kit charge had been debunked for a start – are you trying to be funny?
167 BillieJo
Povery Pimp with Pinstripe Patronage
Pinstripe Patronage – In Chicago politics, pinstripe patronage refers to a political payback system where instead of rewarding voter loyalty with city jobs, significant campaign contributors receive government contracts.
I heard back from the Gallup Poll in response to my email (posted as #29, downstairs). According to them:
Gallup has been polling cell phones since Jan’08
The gender split info was apparently an oversight and is posted now.
Some disgretion is exercised as described at:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/110287/What-difference-between-registered-voters-likely-voters.aspx
The Democrat vs Republican issue is addressed in the last paragraph or so.
LandiPUMA – Yes, I saw your post. Meant to acknowledge it. I’ve got way too much going on and need to streamline my focus which right now needs to remain on a project I’ve been working on, thanks to the help of a bunch of amazing PUMAs. Thanks for all your work.
#170 1gypsy4mc
That won’t cause McCain to take the fall. There was a poll that only 26% of the population was for the Bail out Bill… I also highly recommend you watch this interview on the links below between Gingrich and Greta. Gingrich suggests that if Obama is for the bill and McCain is not — that this would actually prove that Obama is on the side of Bush while McCain is on the side of the people. Watch the videos.
Gingrich on Greta
Part 1 of 3
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=FAqUrpDAkKg
Part 2 of 3
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ayaWMYFQsus
Part 3 of 3
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=iC7m1iy5U70
174 TexasTigress You’ve got a “live” one!!
#167 BillieJo did you see hillary make the rounds today? She did great. She can still show him up, that’s for sure.
Of course he won’t be there. It’s the MO.
180 mzebest Will do….think I fell asleep during that one! Thanks,
It is one thing when Trolls come on here and ask decent questions , it is another thing entirely when they come on to make ignorant, hateful statements that are old, already debunked , brainless koolaide induced comments .
175 bobram Go for it bobram and relax for awhile. That’s why I go blogging elsewhere sometimes just to get rid of my frustration!!
How Pennsylvania could decide this election
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s_jZIiJsJI
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emme – I think you said once you live in N.E. PA… Do you live in the Scranton area? I have a dear good friend who lives in Scranton who voted for Hillary (but was on the fence for a while during the primaries before I convinced her to go for Hillary!)
After Hillary got out of the picture, my friend moved over to BO.
I’ve been working on her ever since and we’ve been having intense email exchanges. Anyway, this may be off the wall, but just wondering if you live near her and about the possibility that you may help lead her to something that might help ‘convert’ her… like an event around there or something (someone like Carly Fiorina might convince her, for example).
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Mzebest,
This is what I wrote…
Look it’s another PUMA democrat that will not be watching your show, your network or your sponsors.
Bobram has worked hard to create TV contact info for us, and NVPuma researched and created a TV, Print, and Radio contact list ofr Nevada, mostly Northern Nevada.
Anna7000 added a talking points list. All are located in the Media section of the Puma PAC Action Center.
Bobram isnt sure he wants to invest that many more hours do the research required to make lists of print media for us.
These resources are useless unless we use them.
Please write to the contacts listed. Let them know why you aren’t voting for Obama. Ask them to cover oabama related issues.. list a few. Use Anna’s suggested talking points if you you don’t have any of your own.
We have precious time remaining before the election.
I know many of you are taking action on your own, and not waiting for formal or informal prowls. For those of you who aren’t self motivated… try imagining obama as the president for the next 8 years, then please check the critical states list and send email, send one email every hour. It takes only a few minutes. Also, some of the stations have links to comment areas. Take advantage of these and leave comments. The Reno /northern Nevada areacould really use a blitz from us, and many California retirees have relocated to those areas and are tinting red to blue.
Don’t let Bobram’s work be in vain. And, pray Bobram doesn’t abandon his listings of newspaper contacts.
Thanks.
Bobram – You are so awesome for putting that list together !!!!! Thank you !!!!!
Anna7000: if you use gmail, you can get a link to the yellow pages on-line. From the home page, select add stuff in the upper right hand side, then search yellow pages, add the module to your home page. Perhaps you can find it on other browsers as well. Might identify organizations or might just include businesses, groups that will help you.
This might be old news but Bill Clinton told Barbara Walters on the View today that Hillary didn’t really want to be vice president!
Biden’s AIG Bailout Fallout
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHBw7qYgv2U
Oh, Oh, Oh – FBI investigating 26 top people in the Corporations trying to bailout? Did anyone else hear anything just now?
FBI investigating Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Lehman, and AIG………. did anyone hear it?
165 LandiPUMA
I’ve contacted a key Puma in Nevada, and have asked her to write a broadcast. I suggested meeting up and teaming up of California Pumas with Nevada Pumas and blitzing the various areas. Shes’s familiar with the area and can lend her expertise there. She also has PUMA contacts in the area.
Between you and she, we can cull a best case plan, coordinate, and then use the Regional moderator to broadcast to Nevada and California Pumas.
Email what you have so far.
Caracal Carrie
I know that you have been trying to help Gypsy and Texas and I have to send you a present.
Please continue, their burden is very heavy.
Mama
#188 Patty
LOL. I hope all us PUMA’s can contribute to low ratings.
Dances – you are too sweet – it takes more than me to get these editors and forums and grass roots that have no idea of what is going on because of the MSM – it takes an entire village – this is what I have been putting on comments where ever I can – and believe it or not I have even received back comments from viewers asking me what the Logan Act is and what lawsuit – this is the ONLY ONLY way that we can get attention – not gonna get it from CNN or MSNBC, ABC, or NBC that is for sure:
The REAL Barack Obama: Everything that you did not want to know:
. Flip Flops – abortion, gun control, Iraq troop withdrawal, campaign
financing, taxes (capital gain), FISA, economic plans, running for
President
. Affiliations – Wright, Farrakhan, Rezko, Ayers, ACORN, David Kernell
George Soros, CPUSA, Khalidi, Penny Pritzker
. Inexperience – 143 Days in the US Senate – never voted against Iraq
War
. Debates – Avoids direct questions requiring direct answers – wants
to minimize his exposure to the American Public by avoiding debates; has
put off until just before the elections to have his debates
. Wages- Female Staff .77 cents to the dollar
. Berg Lawsuit
. Logan Act
. Voting Record – Present or not taking a stance – not a unifier -
voted yes three times for babies born alive due to failed abortion be
allowed to die -
. International Experience – wants to sit down at the table with enemy
nations.
DOING THIS FOR YOUR WIZARD – and using your name as this is what you would be doing over at HRC along with Dracula and Gandalf and CasperCat -
I don’t know if this is true but WTF? (What’s The Facts?)
Celebrity wife Michelle Obama will have her bust unveiled October 1 in New York. LOL
OK, who is this supposed to be again? Michelle? What?
http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/09/celebrity-wife-michelle-obama-will-have.html
1gypsy4mc
Sources: FBI investigating possible fraud by Fannie, Freddie, Lehman, AIG and their executives
By LARA JAKES JORDAN
WASHINGTON (AP) _ The FBI is investigating four major U.S. financial institutions whose collapse helped trigger a $700 billion bailout plan by the Bush administration.
Two law enforcement officials said the FBI is looking at potential fraud by mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., and insurer American International Group Inc.
A senior law enforcement official says the inquiries, still in preliminary stages, will focus on the financial institutions and the individuals that ran them.
Officials say the new inquiries brings the number of corporate lenders under investigation over the last year to 26.
169 JamesLF on 09.23.08 at 6:59 pm I am so glad that Palin and her police chief charged women for their rape kits. We can all agree that was brilliant. They should have to pay. Not only does this reduce the city’s budget so it could be spent on more useful things like a hockey rink but also it makes them less likely to file charges. Go Palin!! Very creative.
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Don’t be ridiculous, you know these charges have been found to be false, it was the insurance company charges these women.
I suggest you check your facts first before just droping vile charges against Governor Palin at this web site..
196 MamaPuma I’m not doing anymore than all of these wonderful Pumas……. it does get discouraging sometimes, but others keep me going like bobram, laurey, Anna, Sherry, there’s so just many…
You too Dances and TexasTigress
Thank you Texas Tigress – really not looking for any acknowledge behind the scenes – I KNOW that this will be a breaking point for Obama – if we get to the right states – was on a campaign with others at HRC and he would not even go to Kentucky and W. Virginia because of all the negative publicity being put in the newspapers about him. The local people need to know these things – a couple of newspapers are for seniors – what better way to make our point and ITS FREE…
1gypsyemc
Fox News has a secial report banner saying there will be an investigation of Freddie, Fannie, Lehman, and AIG for “ptential” fraud.
shampoovta: I will get in trouble for this but the devil made me do it. All I have to say about the bust is King Kong move out of the way. Then I will ask WHY????
200 Pookie Thank you so much – thought I had heard it wrong, it’s raining here and cable went out for a few minutes. Again, thanks!!
Has anyone seen a a 62 year old attorney and software engineer who is a lifelong democrat and the mother of 2 daughters, 6 granddaughters and 5 grandsons. Who will not be dominated, subjugated, marginalized or silenced by the main stream media’s and the Democratic party’s blatant, dewy-eyed, fleeting infatuation with an inexperienced, candidate who has repeatedly demonstrated his support of racism, elitism and cronyism while claiming to be post-race and above shenanigans??? Just wondering
Lou Dobbs about to debunke the liberal media for their vile attacks against Governor Palin on in two minutes…
Just emailed Katie Couric – CBS News, with a request that her interview with Sarah Palin tomorrow be conducted in a fair and balanced manner, and unlike the one conducted by Charlie Gibson.
mzebest #148
I’m in also and just gave them an earful on how disgusted I am that they are having that hate-filled leader on the show and giving him more air time to say his poison. All I can think of is Peter Jennings spinning in his grave at the downfall of true journalism.
I read what Sarah Palin would have said at the rally before she was disinvited. The speech expressed America’s view very well and I wish she would have been able to say it.
tonight on MommaE’s radio show she is going to have Phil Berg the Attorney that filed the law suit against Obama and his eligibility to be President on at 8.
http://www.monksmedia.com/
#205 Pookie
I just don’t get how that is supposed to be her.
http://frillr.com/files/images/michelle-obama.jpg
Its like, what?
#114 FACTCHECK RE: Obamas fake BC
http://www.obamacrimes.com/
Can I get a little help?
http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080923/NEWS0108/309230053/1169
IMPROMPTU 15 MINUTE PROWL:
IT TAKES A VILLAGE
LET’S DO THIS… yes, right now.
SEND THREE EMAIL TO ANY OF THE TV STATIONS ON THE LISTS… ESP CRITICAL STATES… LISTED IN THE MEDIA SECTION OF THE ACTION CENTER.
Bobram wrote:
“… it takes more than me to get these editors and forums and grass roots that have no idea of what is going on because of the MSM – it takes an entire village – this is what I have been putting on comments where ever I can – and believe it or not I have even received back comments from viewers asking me what the Logan Act is and what lawsuit – this is the ONLY ONLY way that we can get attention – not gonna get it from CNN or MSNBC, ABC, or NBC that is for sure:
The REAL Barack Obama: Everything that you did not want to know:
Flip Flops – abortion, gun control, Iraq troop withdrawal, campaign financing, taxes (capital gain), FISA, economic plans, running for President
. Affiliations – Wright, Farrakhan, Rezko, Ayers, ACORN, David Kernell
George Soros, CPUSA, Khalidi, Penny Pritzker
Inexperience – 143 Days in the US Senate – never voted against Iraq War
. Debates – Avoids direct questions requiring direct answers – wants to minimize his exposure to the American Public by avoiding debates; has put off until just before the elections to have his debates
. Wages- Female Staff .77 cents to the dollar
. Berg Lawsuit
. Logan Act
. Voting Record – Present or not taking a stance – not a unifier -
voted yes three times for babies born alive due to failed abortion be allowed to die -
. International Experience – wants to sit down at the table with enemy”nations…..”
Thank you Dances – when I visit you in Southern California – will take you out for a few drinks to CELEBRATE the victory over Obama……can you keep up with an old dude??? Clink – You convinced me with your energy level – I will continue – half way through Colorado now
I got an email from Hillary this afternoon. Her HillPAC has come out with three downticket dems to support. All three supported and endorsed Hillary for POTUS. You can of course ignore the BO endorsement by HillPAC. Contribution links take you to ActBlue so you can contribute to the candidates individually or to the general HillPAC fund.
Check them out at HillPAC:
http://www.hillpac.com/
#135 taylorgrob1 Where did ;you order the Howard we’re not coming home t shirt?
HELP WANTED
I think there is currently an FBI investigation into at least one ACORN member who was recently involved in some fraudulent voter registration activites. Does anyone have any links to info press articles that discuss this case? I’m looking for cold, hard facts, not any media that’s about a hunch or a diatribe about ACORN. I just need articles that talk about the arrest/the case, if any exist. I thought I saw at least one on Yahoo news (might have been an AP piece) a few days ago. Please post with a heading that’s easy to find. Thanks!
(Texas Tigress – If you come up with this, I swear, I’m going to have to send you an end-of-the-year bonus!)
216 bobram
Deal!
And I’ll teach you how to kite surf!
PS Have you completed your 15 Minute Prowl?
190 – CATSAREPUMAS
I’m just brainstorming ideas. Thanks for the tip. Right now I’m up to my ears in actions. I hope EVERYONE will read your post and utilize the resource you suggestion.
Dances – way ahead of you on that one – did 8 of them today —- but will do a few more just for you – not so sure about kite surf though……..):
Ladyhawke
http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/09/22/monday-night-goodies/
Please complete the 15 minute Prowl listed above first?
Thanks.
#168 Rabblerouser That person is probably dead. We had dead people voting all the time in Miami.
219 Anna7000 on 09.23.08 at 7:45 pm HELP WANTED
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Will this help Anna,
ACORN Workers Indicted For Alleged Voter Fraud
http://www.kmbc.com/politics/10214492/detail.html
YES – my comment got posted in Rocky Mountain Newspaper in memory of Wizard………must be looking down on us right now smiling.
Hint:
You can even copy and paste content from the new flyers in the action center if you can’t think of anything to compose for an email.
#214 I posted a Cincinnati link. If you want to add a comment. I already used bobrams list.
Sorry Anna, that was from 2006 they started early didn’t they?
MICK – MEDIA COLLECTION RELATED
Did you ever start collecting contact info for conservative media (like american thinker, pajamas, etc). If so, I think it would be such a great addition to the action center, especially since the msm seems to care precious little, but conservative media is likely to be more sympathetic to any letters-to-the-editor, etc. And, once something gets published in one of those publications, it gives us a stepping stone onto the next. Are you around? You up for doing it?
Just sent my e-mail to Larry King.
Hint:
You can even listen to Puma internet radio programs while sending email to the TV stations in critical states.
225 Terry Do – Thank you! That’s exactly the kind of thing I need.
Anyone else? See my post #219. I think the most recent arrest was some ACORN person in VA, but not positive.
228 Patty
#214 I posted a Cincinnati link. If you want to add a comment. I already used bobrams list.
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Way to go, Patty!
230 Anna7000
Anna, which 3 TV stations did you send your email to for the 15 Minute Prowl?
226 bobram
Nice…
230 dances – huh? didn’t do that prowl yet. i’m swirling. i think you misunderstood my post.
meant 235 dances
http://pumapac.org/media.html
Anna7000
IMPROMPTU 15 MINUTE PROWL:
IT TAKES A VILLAGE
LET’S DO THIS… yes, right now.
SEND THREE EMAIL TO ANY OF THE TV STATIONS ON THE LISTS… ESP CRITICAL STATES… LISTED IN THE MEDIA SECTION OF THE ACTION CENTER.
Bobram wrote:
“… it takes more than me to get these editors and forums and grass roots that have no idea of what is going on because of the MSM – it takes an entire village – this is what I have been putting on comments where ever I can – and believe it or not I have even received back comments from viewers asking me what the Logan Act is and what lawsuit – this is the ONLY ONLY way that we can get attention – not gonna get it from CNN or MSNBC, ABC, or NBC that is for sure:
The REAL Barack Obama: Everything that you did not want to know:
Flip Flops – abortion, gun control, Iraq troop withdrawal, campaign financing, taxes (capital gain), FISA, economic plans, running for President
. Affiliations – Wright, Farrakhan, Rezko, Ayers, ACORN, David Kernell
George Soros, CPUSA, Khalidi, Penny Pritzker
Inexperience – 143 Days in the US Senate – never voted against Iraq War
. Debates – Avoids direct questions requiring direct answers – wants to minimize his exposure to the American Public by avoiding debates; has put off until just before the elections to have his debates
. Wages- Female Staff .77 cents to the dollar
. Berg Lawsuit
. Logan Act
. Voting Record – Present or not taking a stance – not a unifier -
voted yes three times for babies born alive due to failed abortion be allowed to die -
. International Experience – wants to sit down at the table with enemy”nations…..”
Anna7000
I found these:
http://www.kmox.com/pages/1375286.php
http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html
http://respublica.typepad.com/respublica/2007/12/acorn-arrests.html
http://www.fl.acorn.org/index.php?id=16860
http://blockersrus.com/2008/07/22/acorn-caught-red-handed/
Anna7000
This has a list that might help you with Acorn.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/15/obama-acorn-citizens-services-inc-false-fec-filings/
phil berg is on now
Dances – you have mail.
Anna 7000
http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html
this link is not a newsarticle but mentions a conviction in PA in 2008. I’ll try to follow up.
dances – oh, i saw your 15 min prowl post. feeling waaaaaaaaaaay pressured right now re: too many irons in the fire and trying to prioritize.
http://www.monksmedia.com
246 Anna7000
I thought using the resources would be a nice break for you from collecting resources.
PATTY – THank you
DANCES – where were you when I was starting up my different companies – you could have run them all with your motivational energies – but you see what I was saying in my email to you??????
I hope MAMA sends you a nice morsel for all this extra work you have been taking on….
We did clear out the site of the what if’s though…
LOL
Just did three for Colorado – since its right in front of me – and two for New Mexico — once I ever get this done – am going to devote an entire day for each State – once you register on some of these newspaper sites – you can make comments everywhere – under political areas, on blogs, any special headlines – you could spend hours on just one newspaper -
Re-posted for KarlaforHillary
#60 KarlaforHillary
McCain’s degree from the Naval Academy is in Electrical Engineering (1958). He flew jets off of aircraft carriers, and was certified to drive naval ships. All Naval Academy degrees back then were in some form of engineering.
Yes he graduated 894 out 899, he is very intelligent but liked to have a good time. He was known to do well in subjects he enjoyed like literature and history, but worked just hard enough to pass other subjects he did not enjoy.
Keep in mind that this is the Naval Academy of the 1950’s. It was very tough physically and mentally. Many more cadets washed out back then. McCain could have easily skated through most liberal arts schools with good grades.
He was a naval aviator and squadron commander overseeing other pilots and millions of dollars of equipment.
McCain attended the National War College 1973-74. Kinda like a graduate program. “The College is concerned with grand strategy and the utilization of the national resources necessary to implement that strategy… Its graduates will exercise a great influence on the formulation of national and foreign policy in both peace and war….”
Mid-level and senior military officers who are likely to be promoted to the most senior ranks are selected to study at the War College in preparation for higher staff and command positions. This means that not just any bozo gets to go to the National War College.
McCain retired from the Navy in April 1981 with the rank of Captain. A rank above commander and below rear admiral. It is equivalent to the rank of colonel in the other uniformed services.
the republicans after nov. 4 could impugn the election at any particular place if they consider there was fraud????,
One question before I turn in – I’m watching Bill O’Reilly and they’re talking about Palin. An Obamabot, who is a Phd of something at some university is insisting that Palin has no understanding of foreign policy because she didn’t study at an elite university.
The question: When did the Democratic party become the proponent of a class society? I thought the Democratic party was the people’s party?
I just got a call on my cellphone. It was a survey of Unaffiliated voters. It was a robocall. It wanted to know if I was voting for McCain, Obama or Barr.
I hung up, because I think it was from Obama’s campaign. The only way they could get my cellphone # was from the County Election Office because my cellphone # has an area code from the state I moved from. Nobody in my current state has my phone # except DMV and County Election Ofc.
I want to keep Obama’s team guessing.
The reason I know it wasn’t from my old state is because there I am an Independent, but in my new state I am considered an Unaffiliated and the recording said it was a survey for Unaffiliated voters.
Are they allowed my private info? If not, how did they get it? Anybody know?
bobram
This is an ACTION site.
They’re either emailing or they drifted over to an Inaction site.
What they hell are we here for if we’re not going to utilize
our skills? Collecting resources is seriously fantastic… fabulous… terrific. I just think that every once in awhile we should take a break and actually use the resources available to us.
I’m expecting a “disinvitation” from the big paws before this night is over.
DWP – don’t get yourself in trouble for me – but you can see the frustration that I was telling you in my email – talking to the choir does not get the job done to prevent BO from becoming the President –
DWP – I don’t want to leave you alone to fend off for yourself – but am going to go back to my action research for Colorado and then maybe take a break on the others for a few days – will see — at least we got two people to submit..
256 bobram
We’re on the same page.
Just think DWP – if both of us go off – then it will be for the first time ever a blank screen LOL
257 bobram
You deserve the break. enjoy it!
Two that we know if. Maybe some f our dedicated lurkers wrote to TV stations.
Is 15 minutes of one’s time really so much to ask?
#105 Notyoursweetie – in a few days, B.Hussein will have a new catch pharse – ‘Change You Can ILL-Afford’
259 bobram
LOL
Nah. They’ll all return once we leave.
I’ll be busy uploading yoru newspaper links and taking care of some other stuff.
I am doing a bunch of research…can anyone give me a little shout out to any of the states that had ACORN involvement. I have some, but I don’t want to miss any.
The way I see it Dances – is that we ALL have our own projects – that is our own platform and that has to be accomplished first – I can not fault anyone on that – thats dedication to ones own desires – the ones that I have a problem with come on start a rumor and then 50 posts react to that rumor – that is a waste – in my humble opinion.
I think you should go out to dinner Dances -not much going on here – you have worked all day – you have posted action items and now YOU TOO deserve a break ..
Back to you later. Thanks for everything – you have a fan in me.
Caracal- Michigan would be one.
ok and also because I am completely swamped and haven’t scrolled up, can someone post the 15 minute prowl so I can be off the bad kids list?
Thanks Bobram!
Caracal Post # 240 – No one is on the bad guys list – everyone is extremely busy doing their own action items – would be nice if everyone stated their platform and we could have an organized action item for each -
266 Caracal Carrie
” can someone post the 15 minute prowl so I can be off the bad kids list?”
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Let me know the day anyone places you on the bad kids list!
Signing off now.
In case you were wondering if they still hate us, just picked this up in the dungeon:
“As a progressive, I’m stunned by the self delusion and self inflicted destruction on the part of some (few) ill informed Clinton supporters who just can’t get over the fact that their candidate was beaten by a smarter, better prepared candidate. So, in a fit of pique and motivated by overblown and hysterical charges of sexism, you are prepared to vote for John McCain, a guy who cares nothing about women’s issues excepting his readiness to overturn Roe v. Wade.
Some of you even support Sarah Palin though her rightwing radicalism bears no similarity to your own politics. You are voting on gender. So why not Ann Coulter?
The very sad part of your efforts is that in trying to advance a women’s agenda, many of you resorted to racism, traces of which are reflected even in the posts here.
You should be really proud of yourselves. Stupidity has its consequences and I can only hope you or someone you love suffers the adverse consequences of a back alley abortion.”
#253 Rabblerouser – I saw that too. She is a Prof of Politics.
May be she is inheriting Nancy Witchalosi’s Botox stuff So she is what they call an elitist liberal.
Let them all spew the university and education and IVY league stuff and continue to push Palin to VP..
Go IVY LEAGUE BUMMERS and keep your education in your derriere..
Rabblerouser #254 — exactly!
Is there anyone else here who’s getting tired of being called a racist for not voting for Obama? I just got this email from a family member:
How racism works
“What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review?
What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?
What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said “I do” to?
What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no longer measured up to his standards?
What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?
What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?
What if Obama were a member of the “Keating 5″?
What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?
If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are?
This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference.”
BTW, I’m Asian and my husband has the same ethnic background as Obama — half black, half white. Here is the response I sent back:
What if John McCain counted a Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan as a mentor and spiritual advisor and a former Oklahoma City terrorist as an associate? Would he still be in the running?
What if John McCain spent a significant portion of his legistlative career refusing to take a stand on controversial and/or important votes, instead opting time and again to vote “present”? Oh that’s right, U.S. Senators can’t vote present. Maybe that’s why Obama didn’t accomplish anything during his lengthy 143 days in the Senate.
Forget Michelle, Barack Obama himself admits past drug use and no one seems to care.
Barack Obama wouldn’t be the Democrat candidate for POTUSA if he were white. I suppose you can call reverse racism a form of racism, but it’s definitely not white racism.
I’m amazed that someone as intelligent as you are thinks that charm, being telegenic and able to read off a teleprompter (even at a rodeo!) qualifies someone as leader of the free world.
I guess all my black friends who aren’t voting for Obama must hate black people too.
Here’s one of them: He and his wife are among our closest friends. He’s a former Air Force officer, now a state legislator, first black man elected from this district, successful business owner: [link to his state senate website]
His wife (also black) won’t be voting for Obama either. I guess she’s a racist too. Matthew and I must be racists too! Heaven forbid we just don’t want a completely inexperienced, socialist-leaning, race-card playing, extreme leftist as President.
Love,
Erika
bobram and dances-sent the requested email to:
newstips@king5.com (NBC in Western Washington)
http://www.kirotv.com (CBS in Western Washington…not Spokane as the list shows)
tips@komo4news.com (ABC in Western Washington)
Did these right after you requested them but got a phone call and couldn’t type this post and talk at the same time.
As I’ve said before, I don’t usually post when I do things. I’m posting this action because it has additional addresses for the list and because you two seem to be feeling alone in doing the task.
271 murphy on 09.23.08 at 8:35 pm In case you were wondering if they still hate us, just picked this up in the dungeon:
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Murphy, may I suggest we send her a copy of “How to Win Friends and Influence People”
Or a quick little Thanks You Note for her concerns about our welfare but better any day McCain than Obama.
Reveille America, Obamanation is Coming!
Erika — very eloquent!
Let us know if she writes back. . .
wont be holding my breath!
Erika..Well done!!!
Oh Terry, excellent ideas, but I must correct you — our little thing from the dungeon is a man.
they almost ALWAYS are — it is WEIRD.
Here’s an update on the weekly Vets for McCain site and weekly call.
It also has the link for making phone calls for McCain if anyone is interested.
Good afternoon from Arlington:
Once again, most states will be holding Veterans Call Nights this WEDNESDAY, September 24. Those of you living in Massachusetts, Maine, Nevada, and New Jersey have your call nights on Monday (MA/NV) and Tuesday (ME/NJ) the local organizations were so aggressive and successful in getting their call nights organized that they’ll be maintaining their original schedules. Join your fellow Veterans and McCain supporters for a few hours each week a few hours a week, and you can help us make history. CLICK HERE to find the Victory Center or phone bank near you. We’re opening new offices across the battleground states, so keep checking back we may have opened a new location near you!
If you don’t live near one of our phone banks, you can join the fight from home. Visit http://www.johnmccain.com/phonebank, and you’ll be able to make a few phone calls on behalf of John McCain or Sarah Palin right from your home. The campaign is asking Veterans for McCain-Palin to produce 10,000 phone calls per week and you can help!
Also, don’t forget to tune in for the first presidential debate between John McCain and Barack Obama this Friday, September 26.
Best,
Lang Sias
National Director
Veterans for McCain-Palin
I have been busy today and don’t know if this was mentioned earlier or not. McCain was 14 electoral college numbers ahead of Obama last week. This week (so far) Obama is THIRTY ahead of McCain. Time is running out, and… to be honest…. I’m scared….. God help America if we end up with a president Oblahblah!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/
Thank you Webfoot – I know your actions will pay off for all of us
Oh my, isn’t he real a charmer.
“I can only hope you or someone you love suffers the adverse consequences of a back alley abortion.”
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dwp, 15 min. prowl done.
I mean, no offense.
osaka, snowtiger, bobram, gogandalf, inhanyou, will-A, william, are very well loved here.
Here’s the link for the Victory Center and phone bank
in #280
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/StateContact.htm
242 Utah – Thank you so much! All great links!
246 Catsrepumas – Thanks, someone posted that link up thread. Appreciate it, though.
Anna7000
I am finding some arrests this year, but the “organizations” behind the fraud are not listed as ACORN: one was for the NAACP and another three were in VA for some “community” organization and another were gang members in NM who had voter registration cards. Do you only want links with the Acorn name? I don’t want to be accused of not doing anything here, but I am trying to research for you.
Murphy,
Tell her to go pound sand!
How smart could these people be, if all that damaging information is out there about Obama, plus his inexperience, unremarkable senatorial record and flip-flopping on issues, coupled with his fear of town hall meetings, clinging to his teleprompter and faux presidential seal.
Calling non-supporters of Obama racists is due to lack of a valid response on their part.
“People call others names, when they have run out of ideas” (I heard that once and think it’s appropos)
On the radio program I listen to while driving to work, this morning, they said there is no true rationale as to why people are supporting Bo other than its the hip thing to do
My letter to Larry King……Why in the world would you give this man a platform? Is it not bad enough that your network is already the Obama network news. I have been boycotting cnn for months now, now I have yet another reason to keep you tuned out. I will be encouraging everyone I know to do the same.
199 bobram on 09.23.08 at 7:23 pm
Dances – you are too sweet
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Dances
Has anyone else ever called you sweet?
#289 Trish- accurate assessment by that radio person.
Thought you all might enjoy these videos, the first one was played on my local radio station today:
The diddy retort:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2amXLa-iZGw
The vote reaper:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbW64215HA8&feature=related
#256 DancesWithPumas
I’m expecting a “disinvitation” from the big paws before this night is over.
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Yah right!!!!!!!!!
I am expecting a groundswell in response to all of your hard work.
However, I have to give a lot of credit to the PUMAs that keep you in line
Mama
#271 murphy on 09.23.08 at 8:35 pm
jeez, are they STILL threatening our Uteri with that??? Its getting to the point I want to rip mine out and hit them upside the head with it and yell at them “THERE YOU GO, YOU ARE SO MUCH MORE WORRIED ABOUT IT THAN I AM, so have my uterus and do with it what you will, but you are not using it against me ever again!!!”
#290 michelle47 – Face it! all the liberals love to go fall in bed with anybody that bashes America and they are doing this with the bearded one to please the precious one!
Bobram and DWP ok sent an email to Iowa about Obama Flops
bobram, laurey, Anna, Sherry
Gypsy told me that you were working so hard.
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD PUMAs
It give me joy to know that special people are working so hard.
Mama
296 LotusBoy
Umm I am a liberal and a veteran… I dont country bash
bobram okay, I got lost….where do I find the radio stations? I saw the TV emails…was I on the right place in the ActionCenter?
I have to look like I’m working because MamaPuma is watching!!
1gypsy4mc: Why should Bobimbo start now to do anything in the Senate other than follow the lead of the same people who have told him what to do since he got there? HE will simply do whatever Dodd, Kerry, Durbin and the rest of his Patrons decided to do or not do .There is not anything for him to work out regarding bailout, because he does what his caretakers tell him.
Who coined the term POVERTY PIMP?
I LOVE IT!!!!!
I WILL BE USING IT ALSO….
GREAT ONE!!!!
#279 murphy on 09.23.08 at 8:45 pm
Oh Terry, excellent ideas, but I must correct you — our little thing from the dungeon is a man.
they almost ALWAYS are — it is WEIRD.
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It is utterly bizarre!!! I picturing them being born in underground tunnels in Chicago, like those Orc and Goblins in Lord of the Rings trilogy. Or else I picture them as slobs sitting at a computer in a ratty pair of drawers and nothing else and I imagine their brains are writhing masses of maggoty excrement, whence comes their reasoned and logical arguments and talking points NOT.
#299 Caracal Carrie – I should have said ultra-liberal rather than liberal. And unfortunately my definition of liberal is skewed to indicate anybody that bashes their own country. May be I am wrong.
And perhaps my confused definition of liberals is the Britney Spears type that can’t afford underpants.
Caracal Carrie – You are not what I meant. My Apologies
301 NewOrleansPuma I agree, plus the DNC really doesn’t want Hussein to VOTE…..
Caracal – THANK YOU – I owe you one
MAMA – THANK YOU – means a lot to know that you are appreciated now and again….
I think Dances should be included in the hard working list as well and 1Gypsy and Texas Tigress and the list goes on and on – thats why we are all here to defeat
BO.
Now I must get back to my project or you will take it all back …. LOL
I watched Sec of Treasury, Head of Fed, and Head of SEc appear before Dodd’s Senate Banking Committe today on CSpan. I was struck to the point of more anger at the tone of Dodd and Bayh, but especially Dodd, in his comments to people there. He acted as if he and others had nothing to do with this Financial Debacle, This sob and his committee did nothing , said nothing, acted as if nothing was happening re Freddie and Fannie and Investment Banks for two straight years…and now he and others, on this committee, Repulicans and Democrats posture , each and every one about us…us…the taxpayer. Pandering, political prostitutes…all and Dodd chief among them.
306 bobram I can’t find the radio stations!!
Now worries Lotus. In policies I am about as far left as they come, but I am loyal to my country. I am proud of the people in it. Sometimes it’s in the way you would love a sibling that rides the short bus, but I have and would figh for them.
3219 ANNA:
December 21, 2007
Acorn arrests
8 St. Louis area ACORN members were arrested and indicted in Federal court in St. Louis today on vote fraud charges stemming from their voter registration drive in 2006. Authorities claim they submitted false names and addresses to the St. Louis Board of Election Commissioners in the city and the county.
Acorn voter registration work has come up here in the past. And here and here and… The charges were in relation to ACORN’s support of Missouri’s ballot initiative to raise the minimum wage.
Just returned from the Headquarters here in Riverside Ca. and I planted McCain/Palin signs in my yard and hedges and placed bumper stickers just below my hillary stickers on both of my vehicles. My neighbors just informed me they will also be voting for McCain because they are disgusted with the DNC and all of the Fraud during the Primary. YA!!
ANNA:
Let me know if this is what you want and if so, do you want more?
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KMOX – Eight ACORN Workers Arrested For Election Fraud
Dec 21, 2007 … Eight ACORN Workers Arrested For Election Fraud … unsealed Friday morning say while collecting signatures for ACORN and Project Vote, …
http://www.kmox.com/pages/1375286.php – 79k – Cached – Similar pages
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Charges Filed in Washington Voter Fraud Case-(ACORN, Worst Fraud Ever)
Jul 27, 2007 … Do a Google search of “ACORN Voter Fraud” and you get 179000 hits. … of Vote Fraud in Indiana in 2008, with people (Democrats) arrested, …
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1872341/posts – 51k – Cached – Similar pages
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Republican • National • Committee
(Jeremy Kohler, “Allegations Of Fraud Cloud ACORN Voter Drive Again,” St. Louis …. (Christopher Weir, “Vote Courier Is Arrested,” Today’s Sunbeam [New …
http://www.gop.com/news/NewsRead.aspx?GUID=f4566d49-88a3-437c-b9ca-796bf0eb1df0 – 170k – Cached – Similar pages
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Cheating Cheeseheads: Wisconsin registration fakes lead to fear of …
Aug 6, 2008 … ACORN’s 2004 voter registration drive in Wisconsin was marred by sloppy and … where a voter was arrested yesterday for trying to vote: …
primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/13583 – 58k – Cached – Similar pages.
Gypsy – sorry for not getting back to you sooner – but I have so many da—— windows open that my computer has frozen – here is where you have to go to TVhttp://www.pumapac.org/media.html
Last post for the night – have too many projects going on – anyone address something to me – will not see it or respond – sorry – have to finish this work load or Mama will get me.
catsarepumas – i think i have enough for what i need. thanks. wanna direct your energies in a helpful way, i suggest doing the 15 min prowl suggested by dances!!!
lilibet – i think i’m all set, but will definitely add what you posted. wow! are you some kind of acorn media collector?!* thanks!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2008/09/joe_biden_steps_in_it.html
Is Joe Biden TRYING to lose Western Pennsylvania?
#307 NewOrleansPuma – It has been a while since I responded to your post.
I watched that damn thing while working out. A thought occurred to me -
Murphy, you read up too -
While the financial crisis was unfolding a few months back boneheaded Congressmen were interviewing / questioning Roger Clemens, his trainer and another person in a committee meeting and a lot of media were covering it. They should have actually been taking care of the Capital market than the Ball Game has been’s.
Can we do this, Murphy in HRC 2012?
Perhaps you, NewOrleansPuma, Asian, Osaka, 1gypsy4mc and all PUMA’s fill the room and question Congressmen instead for their actions (or lack of it). Would that not be wonderful to actually question Congressman. We could end up being people’s representatives and give dumb Congressmen a taste of their own medicine.
Ok, I drank a couple. Hence I am hallucinating. Perhaps this is what I have in common with BOBIDEN. So don’t vote me and don’t vote BOBIDEN either.
Gypsy – that wasn’t it – its :Gypsy – sorry for not getting back to you sooner – but I have so many da—— windows open that my computer has frozen – here is where you have to go to http://www.pumapac.org/media.html TV Stations contact
Last post for the night – have too many projects going on – anyone address something to me – will not see it or respond – sorry – have to finish this work load or Mama will get me.
NewOrleansPuma–
Earlier today I was having a difference of opinion with my sister, who is an English teacher, and you wrote this to me:
#60Karlafor Hillary: Obama himself has said more than once on the written record that he learned more in his few years of practicing the Alinsky method of so called organizing than he had ever learned in both his undergraduate time and his time at Harvard….
Does your sister even know anything about this method and the epistemology of it? ..meaning…its purpose, and how , what, it “teaches” to the human mind? The entire method’s purpose is to teach the total deconstruction of every habit of logic and rational thought for the purpose of producing a pragmatic result….Is this what your sister would call the effects of education that Obama has, according to her? Is this what she and every other teacher, including myself, spend years attempting to teach our students to do?
Is not the function of a teacher the opposite? How to penetrate that which interferes with discovery of the truth, not how to practice those techniques to hide, destroy, deconstruct or subvert it? Your sister, for all of her so called education, has been brainwashed and is herself espousing her own elitist position. Send her this post and ask her to respond, here…will you? I hope so.
For the love of your sister and the truth, she is lucky to have you. Keep at it!
Well, here is her nasty response. I’m sorry if it makes you angry. This is what I deal with on a daily or weekly basis:
Send this to the walking thesaurus.
To whom it concerns:
I read your blog, and you are correct in one of your comments; I am not aware of the Alinsky method. However, I do not appreciate you hacking on my “so-called education” as you so blatantly put it. How dare you say that I am brainwashed and harboring an elitist position. You do not know me. I am far from an elitist. In my classroom I teach my students to be willing to disagree and to voice their opinions, but I insist that they do so RESPECTFULLY–a skill which you are evidently not aware of. You have insulted not only my education, but also my integrity as a contributing member of the blue collar work force in this country. I feel sincerely sorry for your students. I hope that when they disagree with your political views that you treat them with more respect than you have for me.
306 bobram That happened to me twice today and then I had to clear cookies and cache, then reboot!! Be good! If you want me to do certain ones, then just let me know. I don’t care how many……..
TO ALL THOSE WONDERFUL PUMAS WHO’VE BEEN HELPING ME WITH MY CAUCUS FRAUD PROJECT:
You’ll have got mail.
My Puma friends the time has come the Dem Party is falling apart. I have always said “Give them enough rope and they will hand themselves”…I pray Hillary will not give in to the request for her to step in for VP..I introduced myself as a Puma at the RNC Hdqts and they were very interested in knowing would Hillary accept the VP? I said not to worry she would not because she will be running in 2012 and she will be our President. They also said, the RNC were so relieved to hear that Hillary would not be the Choosen one and that they were really worried. If Hillary were the Nominee then they (RNC) knew they would not stand a chance of winning..Now, they know with a alot of work the McCain/Palin ticket will win and I will help them..
Gypsy – the key states of Colorado, Penna, Mich, Ohio, Missouri, Florida, New Mexico and Indiana – your choice –
Thanks for your help as always – now I am off to my newspaper project – have a nice evening
319 KarlaforHillary
Hey Karla, what does you sister teach? Because if it’s not a political science class she has no right or reason to bring politics up at all.
Anyone in Southern Calif. …. Palin will be in Orange County,CA around Oct. 4. Details still being worked out. I guess they are having trouble finding a venue large enough.
snowtiger
My sister teaches High School English. This is only her second year of teaching. She got her degree late in life, and now everyone in the family has had to put up with her “elitist” attitude ever since. Her e-mail to me was just as nasty if not nastier than her message to NewOrleansPuma.
Murphy,
you got mail on info on Obama contact info
KarlaforHillary: I understand your pain. I work with an English teacher who I honestly believe should know better than to support *61 and she’s made some not so nice comments to me about the fact that I won’t.
She is at least willing to listen to my perspective and thinks she can convert me.
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Now, with regards to that T-shirt of that poor child, I have never heard of such a thing. Students in my building wear pro-61 and pro-McCain shirts all the time. Political activism is not against the dress code; it is encouraged. What is against the dress code are things like shirts with alcohol or drug slogans on them because of the underage factor. It’s not like the slogan he wore wasn’t true….it wasn’t libel. Thank goodness this didn’t take place at my school–who needs that kind of lawsuit.
321 Anna7000
Hey Anna, you got mail.
Thank You 4hillinca I will be there please keep us posted
Perhaps Irvine Meadow would be a great location. Many years ago I seen Billy Idol there and it is a Huge place..
Murphy, I have names and numbers,do you want them?
MY POSTINGS
For the last three days, I have been going to http://www.topix.com/ and posting what is below in the appropriate places. If someone is not familiar with topix, if you want a particular city and state you can find it by tying in SEARCH the name of the city and state and then topix and it will take you to what that city/ state is posting about. I have been following Obama’s campaign events and posting in those cities and states.
What I have been posting:
If the subject is the economy, I post this:
“I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005,
S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation.
If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the
enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall
financial system, and the economy as a whole.
I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.” – John
McCain 2005
Legislation failed.
The failure of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could have been averted IF Federal Housing
Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 had been passed.
Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 only had three co-sponsors :
Elizabeth Dole, John McCain and John Sununu. For Nancy Pelosi blaming the GOP is
downright an insult to ALL of US TAXPAYERS!
http://beltwaysnark.com/2008/09/16/john-mccain-supported-a-proposal-for-an-agency-to-
oversee-fannie-and-freddiein-2005/
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s109-190
Gee, and who did the now Government financed mortgage broker Fannie Mae give its
money to when it wanted to influence a politician?
OpenSecrets lists the top three politicians in which FNMA “invested” from 1989 to 2008.
Top Recipients of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008Name
Office State Party Grand Total
Dodd, Christopher S CT D $165,400
Obama, Barack S IL D $126,349 ($6000 came from the PAC)
Kerry, John S MA D $111,000
What about McCain?
The folks at Fannie Mae didn’t show him a lot of love. According to Open Secrets:
McCain, John S AZ R $21,550 (all from individuals).
Oh yeah, and who tabbed the former head of Fannie Mae to head up his Vice Presidential
search team? OBAMA, that’s who. Back in May Barack turned to Jim Johnson, former
CEO of Fannie Mae.
(end of the above post)
If the subject is about Obama and the election I post this:
We are the ones that Obama is not expecting.
http://justsaynodeal.com/index2.html
PUMA POWER
(end of the post)
And, anytime I think it is appropriate which is not often (Actually, I don’t know how I feel about this, but it seems to ignite the other posters/readers), I post this:
REPARATIONS FOR SLAVERY
“I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it’s Native Americans or African-
American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is
not just offer words, but offer deeds.” – Barack Obama July 2008 in a meeting with
UNITY ’08, an event for minority journalists in Chicago, IL
DEEDS? ($$$$$)
After waiting nearly two decades, Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.) is well positioned to
move legislation that could lead the federal government to apologize for slavery and pay
reparations.
But the Judiciary Committee chairman is willing to wait a little longer, when he hopes
Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) will be in the White House.
A reparations plan could extract several trillion dollars from American taxpayers’
pockets.
In January of 1989, Mr. Conyers first introduced the bill H.R. 40, the Commission to
Study Reparation Proposals for African Americans Act. He has reintroduced H.R. 40
every Congress since 1989, and will continue to do so until it’s passed into law.
Mr. Conyers has requested the number of the bill, 40, as a symbol of the forty acres and a
mule that the United States initially promised freed slaves. This unfulfilled promise and
the serious devastation that slavery had on African-American lives has never been
officially recognized by the United States Government
http://www.johnconyers.com/issues/reparations
Barack Obama’s former pastor The Reverend Jeremiah Wright was the keynote speaker at
the 2007 annual conference of N’COBRA, which stands for the National Coalition of
Blacks for Reparations in America.
Not only are members of Obama’s former church involved in the reparations movement,
Obama’s politically close friend former Chicago Alderman Dorothy Wright Tillman led
an effort by the Chicago City Council to demand reparations for slavery. Chicago has
become the de facto center of the slavery reparations movement.
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=71043
#326 KarlaforHillary
You have my best wishes Karla.
Seriously, she had better be careful about bringing politics up in class. Those children are mandated to be there and having to listen to an authority figure promote a candidate can cost her her job if some parents get wind of it.
328 pa dem
I don’tknow aboout dress codes where you are PA, but around here they are strict and anyone wearing that shirt would be sent hometo change. Nothing that might cause controversy is tolerated. Then again we have so many gangs that any patch is not allowed, south pole is not allowed tying your shoelaces in any than normal fashion is not allowed etc etc etc.
316 pa dem on 09.23.08 at 9:28 pm http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2008/09/joe_biden_steps_in_it.html
Is Joe Biden TRYING to lose Western Pennsylvania?
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He sounds intoxicated. I really wonder if he has a drinking problem.
GIRLS RULE:
That DIDDY RETORT was awesome. I’ll have to go back and watch the other one.
The diddy retort:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2amXLa-iZGw
The vote reaper:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbW64215HA8&feature=related
#60 and #252 McCain’s Navel Education
The navel academy is tough, but electrical engineering is tougher. Obama would not have lasted a month. I think I have some posting to do.
Hey has anyone seen southjersey?
1gypsy4Mcain: That’s for damn well sure!
Hey Murphy, Did Sean Hannity on Fox just say he has T-Shirts and Bumper Sticker “Stop the Obama Express” if that is true …Could we Puma all request them and over load Sean….?????I do think we could get them for free…I know Sean Hannity really does not like BO..What do you think???
Middle Age Female: I would have a drinking problem too if I had to go around supporting 61. So, I can’t really blame him.
snowtiger: Maybe it is just that we have a small school low on gang activity. It’s interesting though: all our students seem to know who we support politically. We even have a government class where part of their assignment is de-bunking campaign ads (of either campaign). I’ve never seen politics in school this much prior to this campaign.
Karla — if your sister is reading I hope she reads this. It is elitist to assume that Sarah Palin is worthy of ridicule because of the exclusivity (or lack thereof) of her alma mater.
It is uninformed not to know that John McCain’s educational background is, in fact, quite elite.
New Orleans Puma is many things, but elitist she is not.
She is fearsomely smart, poetical, mystical, and badass.
I think your sister’s feelings were hurt, and for that I am sorry. I bet she has a big heart like yours Karla — she probably cares as much about your opinion of her as you sincerely do about her opinion of you.
We all want to be right — to be on the winning team — to have our hunches validated and our fears assuaged.
Karla’s Sister — don’t be offended. We wanted to help her talk to you by giving her facts and evidence-based opinions. You may never agree with us — you may be right after all is said and done. For all I know Barack Obama could be elected and turn out to be the greatest president in history. I doubt it and I have rational reasons for doubting it — but I know I dont know.
Your sister clearly wants your good opinion — she doesnt want to browbeat you but persuade you with good arguments.
There are some amazingly experienced commenters here. The cumulative years and knowledge of the women and men who comment here are beyond my ken. I try to hold them all in my head at once and fail every time.
We are citizens here — informed to the degree that we read, research, and learn. Some of us may have fancy advanced degrees and such, but most of us dont. we talk and we pay attention, we watch — but mostly, we LISTEN. That is our singular strength. Pumas LISTEN.
We heard Karla this morning and tried to help — help her help you, as cuba gooding jr. said.
dont be offended — it will only keep you more isolated from your sister.
#326Karlafor Hillary: I missed my message from your sister. Where is it?
#332 snowtiger
I am from a small town and I think the teachers in our school get away with more than they should sometimes. During the primaries, my daughter had a Life Choices/Home Ec. teacher who was a big Obama fan. One day she made the kids watch a speech given by Obama, and she talked about how great he was because he was all about change. The next day they had to watch a McCain speech. Supposedly she wanted them to view a democrat and a republican. However, they never got to watch a speech by Hillary or anyone else. When the kids questioned her as to why they couldn’t watch speeches by some of the other candidates, they were told that we don’t always get what we want in life.
#307 NewOrleansPuma
Dodd (not sure about Bayh) was one of the benefactors of a sweetheart deal on his house. Been awhile so I don’t remember which company it was that he got preferential treatment from. Supposedly, these people were being investigated (including nobo). Dodd insisted his association with these mortgage companies would NOT effect his running the Senate Banking Committee. These idiots run a goernment of nepotism (in the way they operate) and narcissism.
This is the saddest Congress I have ever seen. The sooner they are ousted the faster we can see the door hit on the way out. Thank goodness we weren’t raised by any of them!
#342 NewOrleansPuma
The message is posted at #319
headclunker — right on. my first dude has an ee degree from a prestigious school, though less prestigious than Annapolis (where his father graduated with a bsee) and it KICKED HIS A**
He is really, really smart, but he graduated with like a 2.2 gpa or something. An electrical engineering degree from a tough tech school is NOTHING to sneeze at.
Honestly, McCain is probly the first candidate since Clinton to be worthy of admiration for his academic achievements. Kerry and Gore are clearly smart, accomplished guys, but hey — their backgrounds made it practically impossible for them to fail.
My oldest is super good at math/science and I am stealthily trying to steer her toward Annapolis.
Everybody have Greta on RIGHT NOW? She’s interviewing Bill Clinton
Bobram…Thank you for all that you are doing and for all the insight you are providing us in this wild election. The election is within our grasp and your efforts provide us PUMAs with that extra “pounce”. Do keep going. We are approaching the finish line.
btw…you got me going on these polls !
347 KarenWI on 09.23.08 at 10:01 pm Everybody have
Greta on RIGHT NOW? She’s interviewing Bill Clinton
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Thanks KarenWI
Hi, all. I received an email tonight bashing Sarah Palin. I found it so offensive to women. Here is the email in its original form. Then I’ll post my response!
I’m a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight…..
If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you’re ‘exotic, different.’
But if you grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, you are the quintessential American story.
If your name is Barack you’re a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
But if you name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you’re a maverick.
If you graduate from Harvard law School, you are unstable.
But if you attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you’re well grounded.
If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate’s Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran’s Affairs committees, you don’t have any real leadership experience.
But If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you’re qualified to become the country’s second highest ranking official.
If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you’re not a real Christian.
But if you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, or if you speak in tongues then you’re a Christian.
If you teach your children about sexual predators, you are irresponsible and eroding the fiber of society.
But if, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state’s school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you’re very responsible.
If your wife is a Harvard graduate laywer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family’s values don’t represent America’s.
But if your husband is nicknamed ‘First Dude’, with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn’t register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that hates America and advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.
OK, much clearer now.
Watching Greta right now…Hope Bill and Hillary stop helping BO..Bo is in the toilet right now and will be flushed by the time the election comes..:roll:
Crap it didn’t work…. :Roll:
Ok, enough of that …Just a quick note Thank You to all of you who have changed you lives and dedicated your time and efforts to this very much needed cause…All of you are my Hero’s…
Murphy
Thank you for your message and your insight. I will pass it along to my sister. She may be just deleting my messages by now though.
What I don’t understand is If you can supply medicine for aids for 1 person for a year for $60.00 over there,Why can’t we do the same thing for Americans?
let me try
Ed Hale is in the process of getting Berg on his radio show in a few minutes.
casper cat — no upper case letters
Opps! I should of said YOUR lives…Sorry,
Making me sick here…. Bill is giving a huge endorsement to BO….
Thanks Murphy…You are the BOMB!!!
#359…Do you think people are listening to Bill about BO ? I’m not. I don’t think too many are.
Remember…he is still talking about Hillary too. But, I know…makes me sick too.
karla — no way.
my sister drives me bananas sometimes (lots of times) but I NEVER ignore her.
#340 pa dem
Actually that sounds pretty good. Debunking claims nw that is a good education. Baby pumas in the making.
343 KarlaforHillary
That sounds really more like indoctrination than education. Sorry if that offends.
Phil Berg told ed hale that he would call in around 10:30 hopefully he will. He said he was heading back into his office
Loving Bill Clinton on Greta. What a man!!!
289 TrishfromCanada
On the radio program I listen to while driving to work, this morning, they said there is no true rationale as to why people are supporting Bo other than its the hip thing to do
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I think this point out one important aspect of this election: a great number of people will vote based on emotional and not factual issues.
This may well be one main reason why empty suit BO has been doing well by exploiting sexism, racism to his advantage. He (with the help of MSM) knows how to cast an attractive image of himself to a certain segment of the public and it works.
My point is this: It seems to me Pumas have been focusing more on issues and facts; maybe we should also have a second track that focus on pushing people’s emotional buttons? IMHO
29 DancesWithPumas on 09.23.08 at 4:29 pm 169 GBPuma
#159 Anna7000
ARTICLE POSTING SUGGESTION
Anyone who wants to post an entire article (not just the link) has to pay for ad time! Maybe $5 or $10. What do you think?
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Anna, Amen!!
I think $5, or more, for anything longer than one to two standard summary paragraphs of an article with link.
and
$5 charge for links or Youtubes that aren’t accompanied by a sentence describing what their content.
Think of all the time and space we could save, to say nothing of the vast amounts that would be contributed to Puma PAC.
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So we’re being “required” to pay for communicating here…what did I log into the DNC of Obama site by mistake???????????????????????????????
Some people give what they can for the effort and many of us have NOTHING to give but our communications and efforts…………………..so if that is the way it’s going to be then I’ve been associating with the wrong group all this time.
#365 you’re loving Bill Clinton on Greta? Gosh, and here I felt like throwing up with the praise he was giving Obama…..LOL………
Bill really likes and admires Todd Palin. Had lots of nice things to say about him. Said he knows what it is like to be in his shoes . (paraphrased)
Vote for Palin
http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html
Bill always acts like he has trouble saying the word Obama. He uses it as little as possible.
For Bobram – I did 3 states tonite and I’ll do more tomorrow evening – I have to work in the a.m….boy, I’m tired!!
GBPuma, I don’t have anything to give either… must be our locale here. I don’t post much though. I DO give a link every now and then though. By the way, I really enjoyed your play by play of BO’s “rally” at the Reisch Center. I really enjoyed going to McCain’s last week, but no way did I have the courage to go to THIS “rally”! You have more guts than I do, LOL.
This is a reponse to the Palin smear email I received today!
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What does it make you if you’re a junior senator who thinks there are 57 states and you’re running for president? Just saying is all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
This was fun. Thanks for the challenge, sort of.
“If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you’re ‘exotic, different.’”
I think we should all be proud of Obama for rising the ladder after being born from a single mother who chose not to abort him. She gave him a chance, and he is now running for president.
“But if you grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, you are the quintessential American story.”
Valid point and I’m sure a lot of thought went into this one. Heard it’s low in cholesterol and tastes like chicken. Kind of like saying, “He’s a bad presidential candidate because he eats too much fried chicken.”
“If your name is Barack you’re a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.”
Barack called himself Muslim:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVn59TC2QqM&feature=related
Barack’s pastor preaching “God Damn America” probably would qualify as radical, but what do I know?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH5ixmT83JE
Barack’s affiliation with William Ares (known terrorist) and Louis Farrakhan (Jew-hater and American hater) are better indications of Obama being a radical, unpatriotic muslim.
“But if you name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you’re a maverick.”
If you go against your own political party to fight corruption = maverick.
Naming your kids Willow, Trig and Track = creative.
Voting “present” on issues instead of taking a stand = typical Washington politician.
“If you graduate from Harvard law School, you are unstable.”
Yeah, lawyers, I hear a special place is reserved for lawyers in heaven…or maybe that was hell.
“But if you attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you’re well grounded.”
Sounds like a knock on middle America.
“If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate’s Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran’s Affairs committees, you don’t have any real leadership experience.”
One, has this guy ever had a real job in the private sector, and, two, have you ever been to Illinois? But let’s take them one at a time.
“If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer” – That is why Chicago is so great .
“become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review” – He even wrote one article for the Harvard Law Review.
“create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters” – Oh, you mean ACORN which is tied to voter fraud and money laundering – see http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/16/obama%E2%80%99s-acorn-a-leftist-social-reform-group-part-ii/. Hey, 150,00 new voters is 150,000 new voters. Who cares if they’re dead when they registered! Don’t believe me. Do your own homework
“spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor” So he never practiced law, then?
“spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people” – and it is still a hell hole with 750,000 people. While Obama got richer, Chicago got poorer.
“become chairman of the state Senate’s Health and Human Services committee” – And that is why Illinois has the best healthcare system in the U.S. because of…. Oh, wait.
“spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills” – Sponsoring a bill = Signing your name to someone else’s bill
Number of sponsored bills: 70
Number of sponsored bills passed: 0
Number of co-sponsored bills: 404
Number of co-sponsored bills passed: 8
America, get ready!
“serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran’s Affairs committees” Such as????? And accomplishing….????
“But If your total resume is: local weather girl (demeaning – she was a sports anchor), 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you’re qualified to become the country’s second highest ranking official.”
Real Jobs = Real American all while raising a family
She is a woman, NOT A GIRL!
Hey, isn’t 4 + 6 + 1.6 = 11.6 years of public service?
And Obama has, ewww, four?
And Biden, well, he almost got as many votes running for President of the US as Sarah Palin got running for MAYOR of Wasilla, which as above points out, has a population of less than 7,000.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2073551/posts
“If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you’re not a real Christian.” – go to http://www.youtube.com and search “Jeremiah Wright” Depends upon what your definition of “christian” is.
“But if you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, or if you speak in tongues then you’re a Christian.”
it makes him a politician
“If you teach your children about sexual predators, you are irresponsible and eroding the fiber of society. ”
Sex education = sexual predators ??? Really? If you say so….
“But if, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state’s school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you’re very responsible.” –
$#!^ happens
“If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family’s values don’t represent America’s.” – It was to actually campaign for her husband. It is well documented that she quit ONLY to help her husband campaign.
“But if your husband is nicknamed ‘First Dude’, with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn’t register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that hates America and advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.”
DWI over 20 years ago doesn’t equal a presidential candidate who admittedly had a drug addiction to illegal drugs
“once was a member of a group that hates America”
Does being a member of Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s church count:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_1jqmURn9M
How about being supported by someone who refers to Jews as a gutter religion?
If Osama wins I might revisit the First Dude with his secession of Alaska from the USA
Hey, good luck with this guy!
GBPuma – I really appreciated your report on both the rally’s in WI also. Thanks.
CTkey and Others — Just watch bill pull this rabbit out of his hat.
Bill Clinton was a MASTER politician in 1992- 16 long and formative years ago — he has moved beyond mastery at this point.
The ONLY 2-term Democratic President since FDR?? The only President in living memory to preside over an era of peace AND prosperity? Wealthy beyond his wildest Arkansas dreams? Beloved around the world for his achievements, his contributions, his charm, his political acumen, and his compassion? Married for life to the greatest public woman since Eleanor Roosevelt? Father to a devoted, responsible, and hilarious daughter who loves him as much as she loves her mother?
Survivor of a heart attack that shrunk all of his material accomplishment down to the level of lines in a NYT obituary? He looked death in the eye and came up grateful and fearless. Bill Clinton knows what he’s doing. He could talk on autopilot ten years ago. Today he approaches political perfection. He owes nobody nothing. well, except Hillary. He still owes her.
#362 murphy
Even though I love my sister, we extremely different from one another. I’ll just leave it at that.
#363 snowtiger
No offense taken. I kind of agree with you. It was one of those instances when my husband and I had to decide if we were going to step in and have a discussion with the principal or not. We chose to let it go this time to save the kids any kind of retaliation. Normally, I don’t have any problems with this particular teacher. It is strange what the kool-aid has done to some people.
#332 snowtiger – That is true.
My honest opinion – A teacher is just supposed to impart academic education. I doubt political science is a 5th grade subject.
My sarcasm here – But in 5th grade they still learn to count, substract and read, I think.
Tax payer view – A school teacher working on a salary within a school system funded by property taxes of locals must not in any way canvass for local, state and national candidates. Even if she canvasses for HRC 2012, I would object. Outside of her school let he go to hell(BOWORLD)
This is what happens when parents don’t have control on what is taught to their kids.
Sad, but perhaps this is another definition for, listen up ROLAND MARTIN, COMMUNITY ORGANIZING
368 KarenWI on 09.23.08 at 10:19 pm #365 you’re loving Bill Clinton on Greta? Gosh, and here I felt like throwing up with the praise he was giving Obama…..LOL………
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Let’s put Bill Clinton remarks in this flavor, he said far more positive things about Todd Palin then he did about Obama..
“So we’re being “required” to pay for communicating”
How do the posts you’re referring to equate to “required”?
Murphy’s the person who owns this blog.
I was picking up on Anna’s requests… which she’s been requesting, on and off, for what seems to be a very long time.
TerryDo you’re right. He did say good things about Todd Palin. He tried to talk his way out of the Wright fiasco, but didn’t really succeed. Since it seemed like he ALMOST endorsed McCain at his last interview, I guess I was hoping he’d do about the same here and not say how BO was “the answer” for the world today….
370 warrior4hillary on 09.23.08 at 10:20 pm Vote for Palin
http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html
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Just voted, how long do you think they will have that poll up, until Governor Palin becomes Vice President?
Of course BO understood what was going on with Ayers!!!Oh, Greta try to get BO on your show and hold his back against the wall with questions.. No teleprompter…No pre-scripts…Just cold questions..Now! that’s change I can believe in….
Dances MamaPuma said you were saying the pic was YOU?
Today, Rush Limbaugh brought up the idea of an “Operation Save Our Biden” campaign (Operation S.O.B). I have a feeling he’s going to do this…my goodness…how is Biden going to withstand this?? Operation S.O.B.!
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_092308/content/01125109.guest.html
He talks about it right at the end…as if it were a spur of the moment idea.
Woot I am on a roll!
I added 3 new pages today!
http://puma-facts.com/dont.aspx
http://puma-facts.com/ACORN.aspx
http://puma-facts.com/Ohio.aspx
I have a bunch more to add tomorrow too!
That PBS poll for Palin…. how come there is NOBODY who votes “unsure”? Everyone either says she IS qualified or ISN’T. Odd, isn’t it? LOL
That might be the next tactic by talk radio and McCain bloggers…to just ridicule Biden relentlessly. He certainly provides enought ammunition.
#386 KarenWI – Maybe at the end of the day they empty the undecided bucket and distribute the votes between ‘Is’ and ‘Isn’t’.
lol
376 KarlaforHillary
I really thought my sister was smoking crack and buying into conspiracy theory BS. Just be there and talk. She knows where we are now and maybe little by little she will see the things that we see.
Kool aid drinkers remind me of Shallow Hal.. They see what makes them happy. Believe me I was way less afraid for our future when I was drinking the Kool aid.
murphy..thanks for the perspective on Bill..I see him doing the “kool aid” thing and I forget who he really is. Thanks for steering me back.
Karla for Hillary: I just read your sister’s response .
Have no fear. I found her response neither material enough to provoke anger nor substantive to the issue I raised as a counter to her reason, according to you , for her voting for Obama to provoke anger. The response does in fact reveal the inability to separate idea from feeling and confrontration of an issue from an attack on self. Since your sister acknowledges she has no knowledge of the Alinsky method, and since my post spoke to Obama.s own judgment about the value of the education received at the institutions your sister sited as reason to vote for him relative to the Alinsky method, then her personal comments regarding me and herself are all she has to speak about in this regard. Ironically, it is elitist to value something in and of itself as the sole basis for a judgement when in fact the person(Obama) who holds that so called education does in fact value another education beyond any received in these institutions,..i.e. your sister knows even more than Bo himself what to value….
Regarding my time in the classroom and my students, I did not express political opinions in a classroom, as my opinion is no better than another opinion. A classroom is about the nature of ideas, the logic and rationale for those ideas, the nature of thought and how the human mind comes to that thought. If all we do in a class is express opinion and do it respectfully, then no wonder so many come from so called on paper good schools and continue to reveal to follow a thought that goes on for more than one minute…the time of an ad….Dear Sister: Go read Rules for Radicals and come back here to talk about ideas. Or pray for my poor bad ass, certainly I , and this country need it.
Berg is on now
Murphy
I put a new lil graphic in the lower right hand of the home page I thought you’d like.
http://puma-facts.com/default.aspx
Correction: ..then no wonder so many come from so called on paper good schools and continue to reveal the inability to follow a thought that goes on for more than a minuter…the time of an ad…..
Murphy/Moderator
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Murphy
REMOVE Post #395
love it caracal! i have a picture in my mind of whipping off my LL Bean long-sleeved waffle shirt in the voting booth and writing in PUMA PAC on the top of the ticket on Nov 4th.
but, damn, maybe it’s my sentimental nature, but I want to vote for Piper!
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#391 NewOrleansPuma
I am very glad that you are not angry. We need more teachers like you in the world.
LOL Murphy that is great! You should so do that!
…hope that gave you all a Good Laugh! ;D
diva — will do right now.
thanks though for enlightening us all!!
Hills
great spin on the Nigerian emails!
OK Im beat.
Nite Pumas!
caracal, I’m not as brave as your sister, so I probly wont have the courage to do that — but I think I might just pull up my shirt and flash the ballot with my little boobs before I DONT vote for BO.
a famous french feminist wrote that women write in ink as invisible as breast milk. but I dont think so. I think we write in ink as indelible as blood.
#404 Caracal Carrie – nite
Good night Caracal Carrie
I think I am going to turn in too. As usual, it has been a pleasure talking to you all today and just being here on the blog. Pumas are wonderful people.
I hope you all have sweet dreams.
#402 Murphy
Thank you!
TOPIC: Bill Clinton on FOX tonite
Did everyone enjoy watching Bill get interviewed on FOX news tonight? I had so many favorite parts, I’m sure you did, too.
Let’s make a list!
1. I liked the long pause when he was deciding how to answer about Rev Wright…
next??
Copy this list & keep it going!!
hillstheone
I whats up?
Nite-nite, Carrie, sweet dreams…
Hi Dem4Hillary,
Did you watch Bill tonight? I’m sure you did!
Thought it’d be interesting to share what we liked about the interview just to have a little fun!
I step away for a minute and women start flashing? What wrong with this picture?
Regarding Bill on Greta,
I liked the part where he commented on how difficult it was to deal with her treatment in comparison to how it rolled off his back when he was running for office. He said a lot without saying it.
Nite carrie , Karla
hills, I didn’t even know he was on. I just got in about an hour ago…
I have to catch up from his interview the other day…
I heard he was sort of evasive re: Senator Clinton being the VP.
409 hillstheone on 09.23.08 at 10:53 pm TOPIC: Bill Clinton on FOX tonite
Did everyone enjoy watching Bill get interviewed on FOX news tonight? I had so many favorite parts, I’m sure you did, too.
Let’s make a list!
1. I liked the long pause when he was deciding how to answer about Rev Wright…
#2 I liked the way he indirectly said that Todd Palin is a man’s man unlike he who cannot be named. TerryDo
next??
Copy this list & keep it going!!
snowtiger — nothing at all! a very pretty picture all around.
dwp — you still here?
TOPIC: Bill Clinton on FOX tonite
Did everyone enjoy watching Bill get interviewed on FOX news tonight? I had so many favorite parts, I’m sure you did, too.
Let’s make a list!
1. I liked the long pause when he was deciding how to answer about Rev Wright…
next??
I liked that he kept his arms folded most of the time. (We need a body language person to analyze)
next??
snowtiger: I don’t know about women flashing on this blog, but I do know I read this week in the paper of a woman who is often seen rollerskating in the buff near a Portland waterfront park, lol !
414 SusyT on 09.23.08 at 10:55 pm Regarding Bill on Greta,
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SusyT see post #417 and place your comment as #3 for hillstheone’s project. Thanks
#418 murphy
WOmen flashing ? Yes a pretty picture. Me somewhere else? My luck.
I can’t stay very long. I have to shower and go to bed. Im getting up early…. Gotta prepare to go to Nashville tomorrow for a training for an Al Gore event that I will be staffing in a couple of weeks.
snowtiger — ah, I get it!
dem4hillary — cool! you going to meet Al in the flesh??
420 hillstheone
Wouldnt that be cold?
FBI left Knoxville on Sunday morning. The kid who “hacked” palin’s email won’t be charged, for now.
#424 murphy
I don’t thats the point. Not lately anyway. Rofl.
Yeah, murphy, Im hoping that I will get to have an actual conversation with the Vice President. I met him three years ago for just a moment, I hope I will get to have a formal introduction this time
Im really excited about it.
OK I shut up.
Anyway, good to “see” everyone… I must sleep…. Im so tired.
#426 Dem4Hillary
WHAT??
Bill on FOX NEWS
Our list so far (added another, haha):
1. I liked the long pause when he was deciding how to answer about Rev Wright…
2. I liked the way he indirectly said that Todd Palin is a man’s man unlike he who cannot be named. TerryDo
3. I liked that he kept his arms folded most of the time. (We need a body language person to analyze)
next??
4. I liked the fact he speaks so well extemporaneously, and seemed to genuinely like Sarah Palin & her hubby.
Copy this list & keep it going!!
I hope whoever is around on the blog saw Dance’s posts earlier about using the AC. She and Brobram and NV PUMA have been working so tirelessly on it. AND, what’s the point of having all those resources if folks don’t use them. Everything you need is right there. There are even sample letters and talking points. You can cut and paste the media links. Please everyone, let’s not regret we didn’t do more a little over a month from now and let’s not have Borbram’s and Dance’s and NV PUMA’s efforts be in vain.
diva – how’s your back doing?
snowtiger,
no it’s been warm here.
nite-nite, Dem4Hillary.
Carrie, you’re doing a great job/the web site!
Just for curiosity… let’s do a “let’s pretend” once here. “let’s pretend” that the rumor is true and Biden does step down after the Veep debate and “let’s pretend” that Hillary IS offered the Veep spot instead. How many of you think she will take it? Yes, Bill Clinton said in a previous interview that she didn’t want the VP spot; but how many say that and then end up taking it later? Just wondering what you think. It is possible that Hillary just might think that because BO would be the first black pres he just might (again, “let’s pretend”) be knocked off and she’d step into the presidency. Think that might be enough motivation for her to accept? Any thoughts on this? That’s question #1… question #2 would be, how many would vote for BO if Hillary were the Veep on the ticket?
Maybe I should be put a Question #3 on the “let’s pretend”. Let’s say in our “let’s pretend” Biden does step down, Hillary is offered it and refuses. Who do you think would be offered it and would actually accept the offer?
#474 Anna7000
Thanks for asking. : ) Doing fair but when I had my lower back done a few weeks ago, it took me several days to feel really good, so am hoping this is the same.
That was very sweet.
My computer is just about dead. Better go.
Goodnight. Will be on sometime tomorrow.
Night all! lol
#405Murphy: What a great protest! You do that and I will moon him in the voting booth with my big, badass!
I have already mooned him at least once on tv..I am proud to say that I have done the same to Georgie Porgie and Twenty Mule Team, GE spokesman bozo Ronald Reagan…I’ll be thinking of you especially when this momentous coordinated Puma Prowl takes place on November 4!
#420 hillstheone
That lady is “Jen”. She lived in my town in Calif. for about a year. She rides her bike and skates naked. Here she wore pasties to stay within the law. She was the talk of the town and many here did not like her skating around town because of the kids. She left because they would not let her in the 4th of July parade. She then moved to Ashland, Oregon (no nudity laws) then on to Portland. She is actually very nice and likes to sing and perform naked in public places.
Sellibus would accept,she is part of the crowd………
wow dem4hillary — I am jealous. sleep tight.
anna700000 — quite right. the ACTION Center is beyond good thanks to dwp (and you anna!) and all the researchers who have emailed dwp with links and ideas and Prowls.
gotta remember that everything all of us do for Puma PAC is totally volunteer — we’re just a ragtag bunch of Democrats who are trying to alter the course of history.
that’s why I always say, Be wonderful to each other.
How could we possibly be anything but?
So, what did Berg have to say?
#441 Sebelius…. what would she add to the ticket? Anything? Would she pull in those “undecided” Hill supporters?
NewOrleansPuma —
I’ll be thinking of you too!!
Today I quit a political discussion group that I have belonged to since 2002. I got tired of personal attacks by Obamaites.
I have mostly lurked on this blog, but I have followed several of the discussions from time to time. I would like to share some things with the members who sometimes get their feelings hurt by ‘more educated’ members of their families.
I am a home schooler. I was also a debater in high school. Put the two things together, and you get a home school debate coach for the association. We sent 5 teams in the last 8 years to nationals. (I tell you this as background.)
In any debate (discussion) there is usually the introduction of evidence to back up an opinion. For instance if we say Obama is corrupt, then we should have some proof of that corruption. If we say that Hillary was bashed in the media, we also can back up that claim. One major tactic of poor debaters is to attack the source of one’s evidence. If that source is some conservative group, the opposition may say the source is biased. If you defend the source with additional sources, or simply state a reasoned answer that requires no evidence, they will, almost inevitably, make a personal attack on you. It might be your education, or you family background, your religion, or your profession. I have even had some on the discussion group attack my children!
The one major thing to keep in mind if you are scoring a debate in competition:
THE INSTANT THEY CROSS THE LINE AND MAKE A PERSONAL ATTACK, THEY JUST LOST THE DEBATE!
Generally people who use this tactic are poor debaters who have not learned how to actually argue effectively. They most often have taken one side or the other, and cannot see any possible rationale for a differing point of view. In competitive debate, the participants are required to debate both sides of an issue. Sometimes I think we should make our politicians do the same. If they did, we would surely have a more balanced government.
Sorry this is so long, but I felt I needed to share.
KarenWi, when you say “knocked off” do you mean killed/assasinated?
MURPHY:
What a wonderful and accurate tribute to Pres. Bill Clinton, and also to Hillary and Chelsea. When I read or hear things describing this family in those endearing terms the tears just start flowing again. The thoughts of what might have been… …
Henerietta — thanks for sharing — perfectly put.
couldnt agree more.
Anna7000,
You’ve got mail! Prowl & growl!!
Murphy, yes.. just as a “let’s pretend”. I guess I can’t help – myself- to think that there are enough people who still would not want a black president (or a female president) that either of those would be more likely targets for assassination attempts…. However, that aside, that whole set of questions was a “let’s pretend”… all strictly hypothetical…
#444 KarenWI – How about starting a primary all over again? Ugly, right.
B.Hussein is stuck in the mud and there is no way adding anybody will help the other person
Now, if Sebelius comes in will all of Hollywood and the media suddenly say it is historic to have a woman and then say it is ok to have a woman VP even if she has to cook Mac and Cheese to kids when she goes home?
Henrietta#446,
I guess that means CNN’s Campbell Brown lost her “debate” with Lynn Rothschild cause she went for the personal at the end (“you’re just bitter,”)…!
actually it was Tom Cruise who said that.
night all!
#451 KarenWI,
Rush Limbaugh is saying that Nancy Pelosi will take Biden’s spot. Isn’t that a nightmareish thought? yuk
Just popped in to say hello before going to bed.
Been sick so haven’t been on much. Hi y’all
gotcha KarenWi — thanks.
I guess I dont want to even speculate on the political strategies that might fall out from an Obama assassination.
that is a dreadful thought indeed.
Actually, murphy, the thought of an Obama presidency itself is a pretty scarey thought. LOL.
Texassherry, Rush said Pelosi? Hmmm…. that just might REALLY knock BO out of the race, LOL! Can you even IMAGINE an Obama-Peloski ticket???? (Be still my upchucking tummy)…..
Pumas,
If you want to know what Barak Obama has planned, go to Wikipedia and read the section on Saul Alinsky. It would be a good idea to copy and store this information offline if you can as the bots will try to manipulate or remove it when they discover we are on to them.
Additionally, I think it would be a good idea to tell the bots to go and read this themselves if they haven’t already. Then ask them how it feels to be played and if this is what they want in the Whitehouse.
Crud… I did it again. I have no idea why I always want to put a “k” in Pelosi! Sorry……..
karen, true — that’s why we’re not voting for him.
Obama/Pelosi?
holy smokes.
#160 oscarp / karenW1
“Obama dumps Biden
DNC dumps Obama
The real democrats from the United States of America bring the only candidate worth to be selected as the real Democratic nominee !!! The DNC decides to go back to the roots for which it was founded many years ago.”
I like this scenario better:
1. DNC kicks Obama off the ticket after he is served with papers for something very illegal
2. Hillary moves to top of the ticket
3. A few days later, Hillary selects somebody else to be VP, someone cool we haven’t thought of yet!
p.s. remember it was Einstein who said:
“Imagination is everything. It is the preview of life’s coming attractions.”
Henerietta – I LOVED your post. I wish you posted here more often. Whenever I see your name I always put on the breaks while scrolling to read what you’ve written. Please contribute more. You’re a real asset to the group!
446 Henerietta on 09.23.08 at 11:17 pm Today I quit a political discussion group that I have belonged to since 2002. I got tired of personal attacks by Obamaites.
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Your comment reminds me of one of my favorite poems and I thought I would share it with you, although I think you might already know this poem.
A Reason, a Season, or a Lifetime
People come into your life for a reason, a season, or
a lifetime. When you figure out which one it is, you
will know what to do for each person.
When someone is in your life for a REASON . . .
It is usually to meet a need you have expressed.
They have come to assist you through a difficulty,
to provide you with guidance and support, to aid you physically,emotionally, or spiritually. They may seem like a godsend, and they are!
They are there for the reason you need them to be.
Then, without any wrong doing on your part, or at an
inconvenient time, this person will say or do something
to bring the relationship to an end.
Sometimes they die.
Sometimes they walk away.
Sometimes they act up and force you to take a stand.
What we must realize is that our need has been met, our desire fulfilled, their work is done. The prayer you
sent up has been answered. And now it is time to move on.
terrydo — i want to hear about the season and the lifetime!
Yes, Campbell Brown lost the debate.
One of the most difficult personal attacks to defend against is the attack on your intentions by an opponent. This kind of attack is where someone says: You obviously think this or that, or feel this of that, therefore you are not being rational about the object of the discussion. This is what C. Brown did when she called Lynn Rothschild bitter. How does Campbell know what is in Lynn’s head? Or what emotion, if any, motivates her to put her support somewhere besides Obama?
This is really a form of character assisination, or attack on someone’s character. It is petty, and should never be used in a debate or an interview. It is, for the most part, disrespectful. If one uses it, one loses the debate, if they are in competition!
Terrydo:
Thank you very much. I really needed that! I think I will copy it and keep it.
KarenWi: First, that is not going to happen,i.e., Hillary being put on as VP. Even if it did, that subject has been discussed very thoroughly here, early on the debacle of the June 3 suspension of Hillary’s campaign and beyond that until the convention. Murphy, founder of the Pac, has stated she would not vote for Obama if Mother Theresa were the VP. I, someone you know, have said I woud not vote for Obimbo if my favorite, Joan of Arc were the VP and sweet Jesus, whom I love, came down and told me to do so..I would exert my right of free will and tell Him, No. Others here have expressed their rejection of the idea, although I am not attempting to give you,because I can not, give you a summary of the positions of all members.
The 28% of former Hillary Supporters who , according to some polls still reject Obimbo, is firm. It is based on him. I do not think it can be moved at this point. Our goal is to assure that more HC supporters who currently are on the fence do not fall over to his sleze side. Regarding the other theoretical issue, “knocked off”…This Pac hasn’t and I do not believe woud discuss that theoretical here. I know I won’t.
Thank you Anna700! I love to write, but sometimes don’t know if anyone really reads anything I have to say. It is nice to know the effort is not wasted.
You all are making my day a little brighter tonight.
Thanks!
Testing:
henerietta — everyone reads what you write with interest and appreciation — you should comment more often.
– murphy.
#473Henrietta: I agree with Murphy. I always enjoy your posts and wish you would comment more often.
467 murphy on 09.23.08 at 11:38 pm terrydo — i want to hear about the season and the lifetime!
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Murphy and Henerietta here is the whole poem.
A Reason, a Season, or a Lifetime
People come into your life for a reason, a season, or
a lifetime. When you figure out which one it is, you
will know what to do for each person.
When someone is in your life for a REASON . . .
It is usually to meet a need you have expressed.
They have come to assist you through a difficulty,
to provide you with guidance and support, to aid you physically,emotionally, or spiritually. They may seem like a godsend, and they are! They are there for the reasonyou need them to be.
Then, without any wrong doing on your part, or at an
inconvenient time, this person will say or do something
to bring the relationship to an end.
Sometimes they die.
Sometimes they walk away.
Sometimes they act up and force you to take a stand.
What we must realize is that our need has been met, our desire fulfilled, their work is done. The prayer you
sent up has been answered. And now it is time to move on.
When people come into your life for a SEASON . . .
Because your turn has come to share, grow, or learn.
They bring you an experience of peace, or make you laugh.
They may teach you something you have never done.
They usually give you an unbelievable amount
of joy. Believe it! It is real! But, only for a season.
LIFETIME relationships teach you lifetime lessons; things you must build upon in order to have a solid emotional foundation. Your job is to accept the lesson, love the person, and put what you have learned to use in all other relationships and areas of your life. It is said
that love is blind but friendship is clairvoyant.
Author Unknown
#398 hillstheone on 09.23.08 at 10:46 pm
This is totally viral. Absolutely first rate instant classic!!! 
From: Minister of the Treasury Paulson
Subject: REQUEST FOR URGENT CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP
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This is hilarious beyond belief!!!
Henerietta – Why don’t you send your debate post to the Action Center. It would be a great addition to info on how to talk with others about the election.
I am amazed that with all the corruption of ACORN, the Fed’s have not shut them down. Maybe its time PUMA’s prowl the Fed’s asking why ACORN is still operating?
OT but this is very important political news:
Congress is getting SLAMMED with Anti Bailout phone calls and faxes. They are actually talking about it in the Halls of Congress!!! It is swaying a lot of minds.
PLEASE!!! If you are anti this Wall Street Bailout, call one of these Toll Free Capitol Hill switchboard #’s tomorrow:
1-877-851-6437
1-800-828-0498
1-866-340-9281
1-866-338-1015
A nice person answers the phone. Tell the name of your rep. and state. You’ll be connected to the reps’ aide who will take your comments.
Call ALL of your reps. And for good measure, call Marcy Kaptur, D. OH and thank her. She, along with many Republicans, is mincing no words in her hatred of this travesty against the American public. She needs your support to keep it up. If your rep. is a Republican who voted against the Fannie/Freddie Bailout last month (3/4 of the Repubs voted Nay) , THANK that person and encourage them to stick to their guns!
Call all of your reps., Dem. and Repub. alike.
Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, CEO of Goldman Saks from 1999-2006, has been lying to the public for 2 years about the true state of the economy. This is a monster that HE helped create while CEO of Goldman. Now, WE are being asked to cover Wall Streets’ losses.
Also, the Dems are pushing for taxpayer provided “down payment assistance” to help the banks over this hump. Tell them NO WAY! It’s just more taxpayer losses into a falling RE market.
Let the price of homes fall to the level where people can afford to save their own downpayments! It worked in the US for decades and contributed to what used to be a wonderfully stable housing market, neighborhoods, communities.
Phone calls from the public are working! So please add your voice.
Visit http://www.FedUpUSA.org. for more info if wished.
Democracy is working. Don’t Drop the Ball on This!
OMG…that snobby Obama poster is awesome! Just awesome.
GREAT Post on clintondems.com tonight under “Who’s not qualified?”
http://clintondems.com/2008/09/who%E2%80%99s-not-qualified/
As a real estate appraiser, I have been watching the mortgage meltdown with a very wary eye since 2004. I know, most people thought things were great back then, but I saw this coming. Instead of taking care of the mess, Congress and the President both allowed the downward slide to go unchecked. By late 2005, several states had the highest foreclosure rates in history, and still, everyone kept on pushing the lending and housing industry to perform more and more.
Obama, Biden, Dodd, and Frank are all guilty of not only ignoring solutions, but of contributing to the downward slide by actually deregulating Fannie and Freddie precisely at the time more regulation was needed. They should all be prosecuted for conflict of interest. I understand that the FBI and the Comptroler’s office are both investigating the Freddie-Fannie-Biden-Dodd-Obama-Frank Connection. It’s about time.
hi deadgirlsrise,
My sister sent it to me & of course I knew instantly my PUMA friends would love it!
Henrietta,
I was just reading online about that investigation!
The FBI is looking into it, I find that fascinating!
I just e-mailed Wikipedia staff and requested that they lock down the entry on Saul Alinsky until after the presidential election. Hope they will do so.
We all need to know the FACTS on Saul Alinsky (the one Obama learned more from than all his college studies) so, we will be aware of what we are dealing with and how to combat it.
TERRYDO:
“A Reason, a Season, or a Lifetime”
Thank you for those beautiful thoughts.
I am just going to close the day in serenity and reflection.
A little more nurturing of homophopia by obama
http://www.advocate.com/print_article_ektid61930.asp
and yet another suspect association
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=108690
KR…great post….I was hoping that people would get involved and make phone calls…. I called 4 times today…and I will continue to call all week. We do not need a bailout…we need to prosecute those responsible. we need to freeze their assets, take their cash and assets. put those people in jail…
484 CyberFerret52 on 09.24.08 at 12:03 am I just e-mailed Wikipedia staff and requested that they lock down the entry on Saul Alinsky until after the presidential election. Hope they will do so.
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There are three or four books written by Saul Alinsky and perhaps you can borrow one of them from your library.
One book is entitled ” Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals”
#488 TerryDo Thanks.
I want all of you to understand one thing:
IF THIS BAIL OUT FAILS TO GET THROUGH CONGRESS IN A TIMELY MANNER, THE NATIONAL AND MAYBE EVEN INTERNATIONAL ECONOMY WILL COLLAPSE WITHIN 3-4 MONTHS!
Most of us have been shocked at the numbers. Please people, don’t allow the lying news media to do this to you.
The truth about this bail out is not what you are hearing on the news. First of all, most of the bail out is in LOAN GUARANTEES. That means no money actually changes hands. That part of the bail out does not cost us anything. The government is merely a cosigner. There is another part that is a LOAN. It will be paid back with interest. A third part is a buy out of assetts that will be liquidated to return money to the treasury. NET COST TO THE TAXPAYER= ZERO OR NEARLY ZERO!
So why do the bailout?
1. Banks failing always cost Taxpayers money and investors (depositors money) FDIC will have to pay depositors, so bailing it out with a loan is better than paying all those depositors with no return.
2. If all of that real estate comes onto the market at once, without hope for renegoiating the loans or salvaging the homes from foreclosure, the bottom will completely drop out of the residential real estate market nationwide. That means if you own a home, it will be worth less than it is worth right now.
3. If the bottom drops out of the real estate market, and the banks continue to tank, international monetary connections will lose too. That could start an international monetary crisis the likes of which the world has never seen.
And I’ll bet nobody on the news has stopped to explain that, have they?
This bail out is something right out of the handbook of FDR and Bill Clinton. It is a GOOD THING! The alternatives to doing it are horrible things!
Now that you know the truth, go and call all those numbers again and beg the Congress to do the deal. It will save you money in the long run.
hillstheone on 09.24.08 at 12:02 am Henrietta,
I was just reading online about that investigation!
The FBI is looking into it, I find that fascinating!
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It would be even more fascinating if they included members of Congress in their investigation. watched some of the hearings today, and two things were clear: 1) Congress does not have a clue regarding a solution; and 2) Congress is taking NO responsibility for creating this disaster in the first place. It was Congress created and delivered the chemicals for this time bomb, and turned them over to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to mix together.
And NOW I am reading where they added student loans, car loans and credit cards into the bailout mix over the weekend!
If anyone notices the glaring disparities in beneficiaries here? The lenders and Wall Street reap the benefits of the problems they profited on the last several years, while the American taxpayer is left out of the will completely. Well, not completely – we get to pay dearly for the incompetence and breach of the public trust by Congress, and for the greed of the financial institutions involved. And all the while, the smoke screen laid down in the ensuing havoc of the decline and recovery of the markets will allow out Congressional leaders to escape unscathed, to screw us another day.
485 lilibet on 09.24.08 at 12:04 am
Thank you lilibet, it has always comforted me when things don’t go as good as I would like them to go with people in my life.
Even PumaPac has all of us coming together for a good reason and for a good season and it will be remembered for a lifetime.
#487Hispanic4Hillary-
Thankyou for calling! 4 Times! I just read yet another Bloomberg article, just released, on how the Public Pressure is working!
I think it is so great that we can call our reps _toll free_.
No excuses! Hand the #’s out to friends and family. Congress is cracking.
It takes a LOT of public pressure to get them on our side when Goldmans’ CEO and the Fed Chief threatens them.
491 Grizzly on 09.24.08 at 12:16 am hillstheone on 09.24.08 at 12:02 am Henrietta,
I was just reading online about that investigation!
The FBI is looking into it, I find that fascinating!
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WOW! It certainly seems as if a Pandora’s Box has been opened. And the banks and other associates are throwing down a laundry list to clean up their whole corrupt way of handling the citizens affairs.
Then comes the revolution and people shouting in the streets, we are angry as hell and we are not going to take it anymore!!!
Along with the bail out comes a few strings! The treasury Secretary will have jurisdiction over every thing in the bail out until all the loans are repaid and all the guarantees are satisfied, and all the assetts are liquidated.
There may even be some penalties for the worst offenders, including forcing some of the executives to pay back severance pay and possibly their bonuses and part or all of their salaries.
This means they didn’t get off scott free!
Senator Jack Danforth in Missouri is investigating voter fraud suspicions associated with ACORN. They have a history of submitting false registrations from 2006 and this year have been accused of intentionally clogging the system with more false registrations. I was so surprised our local NPR covered this, so I sent them my thanks.
http://publicbroadcasting.net/kwmu/news.newsmain?action=article&ARTICLE_ID=1372358§ionID=1
#482Henrietta-
There are 62 Trillon Dollars of Credit Derivative Swaps out there. They are ALL toxic now and will contniue to be so. The 800 billion will do NOTHING to save the situation.
We ARE going into a Depression. The question is, will we go in with $$ to appply towards social good, or will we go in having handed over the entire treasury to Wall Street beforehand.
There is no way this WS giveaway of 800 billion will do anything constructive for our country. Even Allan Greenspan _said_ today “it’s chicken feed”. 800bil. is nothing here.
The reason Congress is dragging its feet on this is because they know it will help Obama! The reasoning goes like this:
As long as the crisis continues, Bush and the republicans (including John McCain) look bad. If the republicans look bad, people will vote for Obama as an alternative. If the bail out passes and works, that is an edge Precious does not gain………….
So People of PUMA please do not fall into their trap! Call congress and tell them to pass the bail out ASAP!
Henrietta,
I couldn’t agree more. Thanks for clarifying as I think some folks on this blog were getting a little mixed-up.
Even Suzie Ormann was on TV last week saying the same thing, and added that actually we taxpayers may make money on the mess-up because these are LOANS that have to be REPAID.
490 Henerietta on 09.24.08 at 12:13 am I want all of you to understand one thing:
IF THIS BAIL OUT FAILS TO GET THROUGH CONGRESS IN A TIMELY MANNER, THE NATIONAL AND MAYBE EVEN INTERNATIONAL ECONOMY WILL COLLAPSE WITHIN 3-4 MONTHS!
Most of us have been shocked at the numbers. Please people, don’t allow the lying news media to do this to you………………
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Wow! Henerietta you certainly have come at the right time to quell the waters of panic.
It sounds as if you saying, by agreeing with the bail out we are helping ourselves because they put us in their sinking boat…
Thanks for your wise imput…
Alan Greenspan CAUSED much of this! His policies were toxic the last 4 years or so of his time at the FED!
#491Grizzly: I so agree. To watch Dodd and others on the Banking committe act as if somehow magically all of this happened and they had nothing to do with it was another occasion for evoking rage in me: rage at the manipulation, rage at the hypocrisy, and rage at what these and others did not do for my country…did not do for so many working people, did not do and now act as if they were not even aware that there was anything to do.
TOPIC: Caucus Fraud videos
…some good ones posted on clintondems.com home page today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGZFgMNM-UU
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXNqFQmGxDU
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4XFvq5XMk8
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnclKiHwatw Part
lizben08,
Thanks for the info., and if npr continues it’s reporting please keep us posted!
Even though I emailed & posted numerous times w/suggestions on their website I didn’t think they would report anything. I still don’t think they will I hope to be proven wrong!! It was good you sent them a Thank You note.
#499hillstheone-
Suze Orman changed her tune today. She’s learned a lot since yesterday (as have others) and is now advising people that we are headed for a giant sh^tstorm. ie. learn to make do with less because credit is going bye-bye. Days of layaway coming back. She actually said “we are going back to a cash (!) society”.
Earlier in the week, it was easy for the media to present this as “If we do it, it will fix things, if we don’t do it, watch out”.
Now, even the media is changing its’ tune.
800 billion wasted bucks folk, at a time we will need it for other things more than ever.
This is a move to stabilize the economy until appropriate liquidation and refinance from private sources can be arranged. The market has no liquidity right now. That means there is no money to lend to refinance or purchase housing which is what is needed to stabilize the real estate market. If we add the liquidation of the vast number of houses in foreclosure to the problem, especially with no money available to finance them, we have a sinking market. Some of these houses may sell for less than 10% of the debt on them, forcing down the housing prices accordingly in the near vicinity. But if we are able to liquidate in a more orderly manner, without ‘fire sales’ to clear the books, we can recoup more value and retain the value of the real estate that is not in crisis.
from uppitywoman.com today:
Hispanic Supporters Gather for $9.40 “Obamanomics” Dinner
Florida- The McCain-Palin presidential campaign today announced that Hispanic supporters will gather at the Habana Cafe in Gulfport for an “Obamanomics” dinner tomorrow, September 24th, at 7:00 PM. In honor of the 94 times Senator Obama has voted for higher taxes, McCain-Palin supporters will dine on a meal costing $9.40.
Also, in honor of Senator Obama’s lack of leadership in the Illinois Senate — as evidenced by his 130 “present” votes and continued refusal to take a clear position on how to solve America’s current financial woes– McCain supporters will be able to purchase flan for $1.30.
#470 NewOrleansPuma
Oh God, how your responses can catch me unaware sometimes!! I had a hell of a time getting off the floor right there. Say what you mean and mean what you say. I do love you!!
Please let me stress: Most of this bail out is not actual money spent! The part that is money is recoupable!
This is a long way from being solved, and yes, the days of credit buying everything are probably over. Perhaps we will waste less and save more. But in the mean time, this is the best solution I have seen so far. As I said, it is a page right out of FDR’s handbook. (This is the type of thing he did to bring the nation out of the depression. He created FHA for that very purpose.)
#505 KR,
I think it’s necessary to bail out these companies, Yes but it’s still a LOAN and has to be REPAID. I think it’s irresponsible to encourage otherwise.
Henrietta I hope you can talk to KR, cause I am tired & headed to bed. Rise & shine is 5 a.m. for me.
nite-nite, all…tomorrow’s another Great Day to be a PUMA.
Nite all. Tomorrow is another day..
By the way KR are you new, I have not seen you post before. Paw (cautiously) extended…
Guess I just can’t agree on your take on the bailout, though.
Wonderful. Just peachy. Her we are, the United States on the verge of economic destitution, arguing about the candidates’ educations, and neither one of them has the BALLS to go to Washington to take a stand and vote on the bailout, one way or another. And they want to be our leader!!! How absolutely insane!!
The main thing that I get from this is that there ARE strings attached. These companies will be closely audited by the treasury department. Fannie and Freddie are already being run by the Treasury until such time as they are in the black. This means treasury will decide on salary and bonuses, any policy changes, any liquidation of assetts, etc. This is the same as being put into conservatory.
The alternative to doing this bail out is to allow the total collapse of the international economy. This is the kind of things that led to the great depression and eventually to WWII when Germany decided it had been taken advantage of unfairly by other nations in Europe.
509 Henerietta on 09.24.08 at 12:42 am Please let me stress: Most of this bail out is not actual money spent! The part that is money is recoupable!
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I think that the financial (honest) gurus will help guide the government and the country through this financial crisis and will come to most of the conclusions that you have reached and have discussed in your comments.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us and have a good night. Time to say hello to the sandman, pleasant dreams Pumas!
Parting Comment:
I think there are enough great minds mulling over the economic situation right now. And an FBI investigation on Freddie & Fannie, to boot.
Where should our attention be right now? I say, we still need to think about what happened in the Caucus States (see post #503), and what we as a Political Action Committee should be DOING about it.
OK, I’ve said my peace, now I’m really going nite-nite!
That should have been conservancy, not conservatory.
This ‘bailout’ is nuts. We need to take our medicine. why is it that no one is willing to tighten their belts and g owithout a few things to work to get our country back on track? In 1990 there was a book out that was very popular with politicians, economists, and academia. It’s main thesis was that we needed to immediately deflate our economy to prevent collapse. To continue putting bandaids on the growth oriented philosophy was to commit long term economic suicide. They suggested we should have deflated during the 70′s. But no, not our greedy little country. If we just put bandaids on it and bury our heads in the sand long enough it will all just go away by itself.
But now it’s time to pay the piper. We can either treat the cold today, or die from pneumonia tomorrow. but the choice (do we have one even) needs to be made NOW!
# T508Gostrum Cat: Thank you , Gostrumcat! It is a New Orleans tradition, it is how we are here for the most part, the people, the every day people, wedo say what we mean often, and mean what we say, often. I have often only been made aware of that tendency when I in the past lived in other places, where that might not have been the case, or as, here, where engagement comes from and with people from all over.
When have ‘strings’ ever been enforced? Neither CEO’s, Boards of Directors, Stockholders, Congress or thwe President has ever met this responsibility. And they will do so now if we just handover the last of our capital? I don’t THINK so! This bailout is like putting the fox to guard the henhouse.
Henerietta
You’ve made this whole financial fiasco more interesting and given me hope that I may actually understand some of it if I just pay more attention. Thanks for your insight and explanations.
Better think about buying a good tent while they are still affordable.
Some of us are old enough to remember when we paid CASH for everything, and if we didn’t have the money, we didn’t need it. We know what it was like to have only oatmeal for the family dinner and to be grateful for that.
When we were lucky enough to have two sets of clothes per week. What is was like to work for 50 cents an hour.
Please put this line of events together:
Spring ’06 Bernanke and Paulson: Economy’s fine, it’s confined to subprime.
Summer ’06, B&P: economy will be fine, just more foreclosures since…forever. It’s confined to subprime.
By Fall ’06, the large Investment Banks were suffering huge losses and lying about it. No mention in the MSM.
Feb. ’07: First huge bank (HSBC) loses a hedge fund and has to fess up.
Spring ’07: Bear Sterns is imploding. Bernanke & Paulson still claiming, it’s confined to “subprime”. (By that time, in fact, Credit Suisse had released charts that showed the contagion was moving well into Alt-A loans and that Prime would be after that).
Summer ’07: Bear Sterns GONE. American taxpayers give 30 billion $ bailout to Merril Lynch so they can sweep up some of Bears assets.
Fall ’07: B&P continue with the “confined to subprime mem” to the American Public and insist there’s no problem. All the worldwide credit markets, however, KNOW there’s a huge problem, and know they are being lied to. Because of lack of transparency, they begin to mistrust each other and lending tightens.
Winter ’08: B&P start acknowledging the economy is slowing down, but insist it’s a blip and there will be “2nd half recovery”.
Spring ’08: no signs of recovery, things worsening. Fannie and Freddie convulsing.
Summer ’08: Paulson informs Congress that F/F are FINE , BUT! just in case, he’d like assurances that, should F/F run into trouble at some later date he’d like to have a 200 billion line of credit. Congress aquiesces.
One month later! Pauson asks Congress to make good on their promise. 200 Billion F/F taxpayer funded bailout rushed thru in 3 days time.
One month later! P&B claim they need 85 billion to bail AIG and that will fix everything.
One week later! Paulson asks for 800 billion bailout and that will fix everything.
It will not work. It is not nearly enough $$$. We do not have enough $$ to bail this mess. It is, to coin a phrase “Too Big to Bail”.
Time to stop these stupid bailouts. We cannot afford them and they’ll fix nothing!
Sorry for the spastic timeline, it’s just one look at one side of a multi-faceted problem.
Enough with the stupid bailouts that won’t fix a thing.
#519 NewOrleansPuma
Maybe so, but my people aren’t from that far south and my dear mama (Joan, so you KNOW she was cool) and her dad spoke the same way. You never had to guess where you stood and the ways they said things were so to the point, you’d darn near pee yourself. But they were right! Anyway, every now and then I can hear one of them in what you say. Grandpa was a teacher from when he was 15 years old (Ohio didn’t require a degree in 1920) in a one room schoolhouse until he was 65. Maybe it’s a teacher thing too!
This bailout is like standing in a bucket and trying to lift ourselves by the handle.
Has anyone even thought a little bit about if the bailout does NOT work?
People should be very, very worried right now.
There may possibly not even be an election.
521 gostrumcat
I have been in real estate in some capacity since I was 21, I started in 1975. I have been an appraiser since 1987. That means I deal with some of these issues on a daily basis, and understand them better than the average person, I suppose.
I am glad I can help you see the system and how it is supposed to work.
Oversight is about as real as Nancy Pelosi. And she’s not even a good joke.
#466 TerryDo on 09.23.08 at 11:33 pm 446 Henerietta on 09.23.08 at 11:17 pm Today I quit a political discussion group that I have belonged to since 2002. I got tired of personal attacks by Obamaites.
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Your comment reminds me of one of my favorite poems and I thought I would share it with you, although I think you might already know this poem.
A Reason, a Season, or a Lifetime
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There is a reason that a person comes into our life. It is always sort of the same reason. It is so that we may heal ourself and thus move closer to god. It is for us to always love the other person. Usually the person comes into our life and causes us great stress. In order to love the person we need to make one step first and that is to forgive the person.
Now forgiveness is always to know that “The other person did not do what it is I thought they did” and because they did not do it, there is no forgiveness necessary.
Always and everytime when we truely forgive the other person we actually forgive and heal ourself. For my sister and I are ONE. But true forgiveness is NEVER that he did it but I forgive him for doing it. True forgiveness is rare and it is always “She did not do what it is that I thought she did.”
How do I turn my great enemy into she who I love. It is not so easy but the first step is recognition that she did not do what it is that I thought she did and then that opens to the second part which allows love to enter.
So our entire life is composed of opportunities to forgive and love. Our entire life is full of people who come to us and seem to harm us and we see beyond that and forgive and love and thus heal ourself becuase my sister and I are ONE.
This is the way that god gave us to heal ourself.
We walk around with things inside ourself that need healing but we do not know what those things are and we do not know how to heal them. However, god gave us a simple trick to heal ourself. The trick is that we are all ONE and we see ourself in our sister. And by forgiving and loving our sister we come to forgive and love ourself.
The highest place for us to attain in our world is to love ourself. And since we are ONE with everyone we can ONLY LOVE OURSELF BY LOVING EVERYONE. IF THERE IS BUT ONE PERSON WE DO NOT LOVE THEN WE DO NOT LOVE OURSELF.
Judgement is always a form of judging the other person as guilty. Therefore we must never judge another because we are always judging ourself. Love never judges at all. Love knows She never did what it is that I thought she did. Obviously it helps to know that our thoughts which are not pure love are always wrong.
So now you know the reason for life is to love yourself.
Love flows within yourself.
love is god
you are love.
you are made by god in his image and given the greatest gift from god which is the ability to love.
love is god
God made you as a god. he is the creator god and we are the created one son of god. but eternal god no less with all the power and glory of god. so fear nothing for we are god. it may take us a thousand lifetimes but when we come to love ourself we will KNOW that we are god.
all the above is the original teaching of Jesus covered over and hidden by the churches of the world to protect their ego. Jesus taught that organized religion is a contradiction of terms. for true religion is a personal one and one relationship between each person and god talking to each other WITH NO ONE ELSE INVOLVED. For the ONE TRUE GOD is inside of ourself and bringing in any form of external person place or thing only makes it a false idol. so all organized religions since they are external must be false idols. anyway enough or too much for now.
This was in today’s Wall Street Journal:
Blame Fannie Mae and Congress
For the Credit Mess
By CHARLES W. CALOMIRIS and PETER J. WALLISON
Many monumental errors and misjudgments contributed to the acute financial turmoil in which we now find ourselves. Nevertheless, the vast accumulation of toxic mortgage debt that poisoned the global financial system was driven by the aggressive buying of subprime and Alt-A mortgages, and mortgage-backed securities, by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The poor choices of these two government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) — and their sponsors in Washington — are largely to blame for our current mess.
How did we get here? Let’s review: In order to curry congressional support after their accounting scandals in 2003 and 2004, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac committed to increased financing of “affordable housing.” They became the largest buyers of subprime and Alt-A mortgages between 2004 and 2007, with total GSE exposure eventually exceeding $1 trillion. In doing so, they stimulated the growth of the subpar mortgage market and substantially magnified the costs of its collapse.
It is important to understand that, as GSEs, Fannie and Freddie were viewed in the capital markets as government-backed buyers (a belief that has now been reduced to fact). Thus they were able to borrow as much as they wanted for the purpose of buying mortgages and mortgage-backed securities. Their buying patterns and interests were followed closely in the markets. If Fannie and Freddie wanted subprime or Alt-A loans, the mortgage markets would produce them. By late 2004, Fannie and Freddie very much wanted subprime and Alt-A loans. Their accounting had just been revealed as fraudulent, and they were under pressure from Congress to demonstrate that they deserved their considerable privileges. Among other problems, economists at the Federal Reserve and Congressional Budget Office had begun to study them in detail, and found that — despite their subsidized borrowing rates — they did not significantly reduce mortgage interest rates. In the wake of Freddie’s 2003 accounting scandal, Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan became a powerful opponent, and began to call for stricter regulation of the GSEs and limitations on the growth of their highly profitable, but risky, retained portfolios.
If they were not making mortgages cheaper and were creating risks for the taxpayers and the economy, what value were they providing? The answer was their affordable-housing mission. So it was that, beginning in 2004, their portfolios of subprime and Alt-A loans and securities began to grow. Subprime and Alt-A originations in the U.S. rose from less than 8% of all mortgages in 2003 to over 20% in 2006. During this period the quality of subprime loans also declined, going from fixed rate, long-term amortizing loans to loans with low down payments and low (but adjustable) initial rates, indicating that originators were scraping the bottom of the barrel to find product for buyers like the GSEs.
The strategy of presenting themselves to Congress as the champions of affordable housing appears to have worked. Fannie and Freddie retained the support of many in Congress, particularly Democrats, and they were allowed to continue unrestrained. Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass), for example, now the chair of the House Financial Services Committee, openly described the “arrangement” with the GSEs at a committee hearing on GSE reform in 2003: “Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have played a very useful role in helping to make housing more affordable . . . a mission that this Congress has given them in return for some of the arrangements which are of some benefit to them to focus on affordable housing.” The hint to Fannie and Freddie was obvious: Concentrate on affordable housing and, despite your problems, your congressional support is secure.
In light of the collapse of Fannie and Freddie, both John McCain and Barack Obama now criticize the risk-tolerant regulatory regime that produced the current crisis. But Sen. McCain’s criticisms are at least credible, since he has been pointing to systemic risks in the mortgage market and trying to do something about them for years. In contrast, Sen. Obama’s conversion as a financial reformer marks a reversal from his actions in previous years, when he did nothing to disturb the status quo. The first head of Mr. Obama’s vice-presidential search committee, Jim Johnson, a former chairman of Fannie Mae, was the one who announced Fannie’s original affordable-housing program in 1991 — just as Congress was taking up the first GSE regulatory legislation.
In 2005, the Senate Banking Committee, then under Republican control, adopted a strong reform bill, introduced by Republican Sens. Elizabeth Dole, John Sununu and Chuck Hagel, and supported by then chairman Richard Shelby. The bill prohibited the GSEs from holding portfolios, and gave their regulator prudential authority (such as setting capital requirements) roughly equivalent to a bank regulator. In light of the current financial crisis, this bill was probably the most important piece of financial regulation before Congress in 2005 and 2006. All the Republicans on the Committee supported the bill, and all the Democrats voted against it. Mr. McCain endorsed the legislation in a speech on the Senate floor. Mr. Obama, like all other Democrats, remained silent.
Now the Democrats are blaming the financial crisis on “deregulation.” This is a canard. There has indeed been deregulation in our economy — in long-distance telephone rates, airline fares, securities brokerage and trucking, to name just a few — and this has produced much innovation and lower consumer prices. But the primary “deregulation” in the financial world in the last 30 years permitted banks to diversify their risks geographically and across different products, which is one of the things that has kept banks relatively stable in this storm.
As a result, U.S. commercial banks have been able to attract more than $100 billion of new capital in the past year to replace most of their subprime-related write-downs. Deregulation of branching restrictions and limitations on bank product offerings also made possible bank acquisition of Bear Stearns and Merrill Lynch, saving billions in likely resolution costs for taxpayers.
If the Democrats had let the 2005 legislation come to a vote, the huge growth in the subprime and Alt-A loan portfolios of Fannie and Freddie could not have occurred, and the scale of the financial meltdown would have been substantially less. The same politicians who today decry the lack of intervention to stop excess risk taking in 2005-2006 were the ones who blocked the only legislative effort that could have stopped it.
Mr. Calomiris is a professor of finance and economics at Columbia Business School and a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. Mr. Wallison, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, was general counsel of the Treasury Department in the Reagan administration.
Hillstheone:
You’re right. Back to the caucuses, etc. Just wanted to get the word out about this Democracy in Action wonderful turn of events.
Found out today that one of my friends is not an anti-Palin nutcase. Gawd what a relief. Hadn’t seen her in a couple weeks. So nice to talk with someone who’s still civil. Lifted my spirits a lot.
Something has to be done to keep the bottom from falling out of the economy. If there is no bailout, then business will close, job loss will be huge. The rippling effect will be enormous. I can weather it because my parents (depression era) taught me how, but I’m not confident in the baby boomer generation and how they will deal with something that major. There are more of them than me. Now the FBI is investigating AGI and Lehman just like they did with the Savings and Loans, Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. According to some experts in this area, it will take over two years for those investigations to come to actual indictments and for the bailouts/regulations to turn things around. And of course, the Federal Highway Trust Fund is broke (no funds) because Bush borrowed from it. What a mess? Maybe Obama deserves this mess. Let him fall on his face. Hillary can come along after and pick him up in 2012.
527 Henerietta How it is supposed to work, how it has worked or how it DOES work???
Greta on FOX now interviewing Bill Clinton. details of O’s weather underground connections coming up.
531 KR I heard you were looking for someone in Whatcom County. I do.
532 halligan That’s true. But if we endure that, we can beging to heal and have a healthy economy. Just imagine the outcome if a bailout fails. Expecting an honest oversight with the current crop of people involved is a bit of a stretch, wouldn’t you say?
#400Murphy-
I want to vote for Piper too, lol.
Dang, she’s good with crowds, very comfortable and present, And she’s 7?
And the rumor is that the FBI investigation will come up with some direct ties to Congress. Much of the AGI and Lehmen monies can be found in congressional contributions and there are not many of them who didn’t partake. We know Dodd and Obama were recipients. Hillary probably got some contributions as well. It’s a mess in Washington D.C. and it just needs a complete overhaul. They say that outsiders have a hard time when they first go to D.C. because of all the cliques. Will maybe its time for that to change. Voting for downticket dems who are more of the same won’t do the changing that we need. Anyone who comes through the party line is doomed to fit right into the same mentality that got us into this mess in the first place. And voter apathy hasn’t helped. What makes it even worse is that those who follow the “chosen one” are as corrupted by the system as he is.
We can’t begin to heal until we hit bottom. and we can’t hit the bottom of the hole until we put the shovel down.
Guess she’s looking for someone else in Whatcom County.
With appropriate oversight and regulation, these institutions have worked well for the better part of 75 years! It was lack of oversight and regulation that caused Savings and Loan, and the lack of regulation, oversight, and common sense, paired with the infusion of political pandering that caused this.
But yes, for most of my career, some 33 years in the business, these institutions have worked well and done their job to the bennefit of the American Citizen. It has only been in the last 8 years that they were left to do as their corrupt leaders pleased. The Congress is just as guilty (both parties) as the executive branch. Neither executed enough oversight and regulation.
The only thing we can hope for is a turn around in that folly, and a return to rational execution of their purpose.
311 CasperCat
Are you still on??? I was excited to see you were in Riverside, CA also…
Could someone repost the 15 min prowl? I just got in and haven’t read all the posts. Sorry… I was hoping to help with the prowl at least…
#541 Henerietta
“The only thing we can hope for is a turn around in that folly, and a return to rational execution of their purpose.”
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Agreed. But will Pelosi and crew do proper oversight? I don’t have much faith in the crew that didn’t do it the past two years, to do it in the next four years. I believe that it will take a full scale march on D.C. and every congressional office from the east coast to west coast to have them get the picture. This will get ugly and I don’t like “ugly” in forms of mobs.
NewOrleansPuma
I and goofsdad thank you for the link. I am reading it also.
#512Hillstheone-
thanks for the (cautiously extended)paw. we can agree to disagree. Extended paw back at you.
#536 Alice
Agree!
Alan Greenspan CAUSED much of this! His policies were toxic the last 4 years or so of his time at the FED!
That is the consensus on wall street. he’s trying awfully hard these days to point the finger at bernanke by playing Monday morning quarterback of the “mistakes” on wall street. Let’s not forget also who his wife is…Andrea Mitchell. The Greenspans love themselves some barry/barack.
#525gostrumcat: I come from regular, working people; parents Depression era people, a lot of New Orleanians hold that same history. I would love to think that what you see sometimes in how I say things links to those exquisite kinds of people in your family…in Ohio too..
They knew the truth from the gut, from experiencing so much….maybe it is as well a teacher thing…. the teaching simply increased that kind of tendency from the roots…I am so happy to think that your mama, your grandfather , I and my working people family as well as such a large part of the same in the city of New Orleans continue the traditions of knowledge “carried to the heart and passed on in actions and how one simply meets and engages with the world by the likes of these kind of people…That makes me so happy…Thank you, Gostrum cat!
I respectfully disagree. I believe the problems we face today began in the 70′s if not earlier. Honesty in politics and financial oversight have never been strong suits for the USA.
The Federal Reserve isn’t even a Federal agency. How in the world did Greenspamn ever get control of the national economy?
How can anyone believe that Obama will solve the economic ills of the US? Neither of the candidates has a clue.
http://www.euractiv.com/en/BreakingNews?GUID=TRE48N0VJ&_xsl=Article
I agree that we have to cleanse our nation of the corruption we have in our government and in our financial system. That is a given. But how? Where do we start? Who do we trust?
The plan is good. That is where we must start. Then, as political activists, we must insist on the proper execution of the plan!
McCain is more honorable than Obama. That is also a good starting place. The scuttlebut today is that Rommney is going to be placed in an economic czar’s position in a McCain presidency. I am not a big Mitt fan, but he is quite good on economic issues. If he were to be placed at the head of Treasury, he could do all the regulation if the bill passes as proposed by Paulson.
This takes the kool-aid drinkers to a whole new level:
University of Massachusetts officials yesterday quashed efforts by an Amherst campus chaplain to offer two college credits to any student willing to campaign in New Hampshire this fall for Democrat Barack Obama.
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view/2008_09_23_UMass_chaplain_fails_in_effort_to_boost_Barack_Obama_s_chances/
The real problem with congressional oversight is that the capable, most insightful and honest people don’t want to even set foot in the political arena of today.
#549 NewOrleansPuma
I hope to meet you someday. You are a class act. Keep on doing what you do, you make us all better for it.
Good night all!!
Good night, gostrumcat.
Alice- I KNEW there had to be someone on here from this area. i thougt it was asian4hillary after her drug wars in the parking lot story last night.
Get in touch if you want. I think Murphy said she’d give you my email. (Went thru last nights thread quickly tonite.)
I was feeling very out at sea last night after a couple weeks of jamm-packed Palin bashing from friends and family. Today, I found out ONE of my friends is nice, lol. So I feel better. What. a. Week.
signing off now.
I’m not nice tonight. Venting too much. Goodnight all PUMA friends.
We have to do more than adopt a defeatist attitude. This is the message I am trying to convey more than anything else. If we just give up, what will we accomplish?
What I see in this bail out is an admission by the Republicans that FDR and Bill Clinton knew something about running an economy. That the Bush Administration woudl come up with such a plan is astonishing! It is also a repudiation of supply side economics, i.e. Reganomics. This is the most progressive development I have seen in any republican administration.
Me too, you, Gostrumcat! Thank you. Good night, gostrumcat…See you I hope on the morrow…..
Night Halligan… sleep well and hope you feel better tomorrow..
Night halligan!
The only way to cure the corruption is to cut off the money that funds it. If the people (taxpayers) are not willing to sacrifice and make do without a few of their creature comforts, then the corruption will only continue. We have no means of enforcing oversight. No means of guaranteeing it would even happen. We have to be firm and resist this bailout. If it passes, the fat cats will get a little fatter and we will suffer much, much more in the long run. Maybe even as soon as the first of the year.
mzebest, I did the Larry King prowl.
In addition to the prowls, I also sent McCain Headquarters, Regional and local offices information regarding voter fraud in swing states and that foreclosure rumor info. circulating in Michigan.
In answer to how Greenspan got control, WE let him! As long as he came off as a real wise man with all the answers, he was given more and more power. The power to persuade Congress was something Congress allowed. They should have taken advice from a larger variety of voices, but in all their laziness, they let Greenspan run amok.
I don’t see it as giving up. I see it as fighting back. If you don’t stand for something, you will probably fall for anything.
Bush didn’t come up with the plan. Bernanke and Paulson and the CEO’s did. And rthe Repubs are never going to admit any such thing. Many of them don’t believe Clinton left any surplus or we wouldn’t have gotten in so much trouble in the first place. How could we have a ‘surplus’ and national debt at the same time? Isn’t that kinda like saying, even though I owe 100,000, I am 10,000 to the good in my bank account? It’s insanity.
Ya know, this whole economy problem is built on the hot air of everyone owning the American dream at any cost. People bought into it, buy a home without fixed rates, in two years when the rates can change, hope your house is more valuable. Home are over valued by about 50%. That happened in a few short years. People in California that owned a little track home ended up with a million dollar price tag on a pile of crap. Some sold their house at a huge profit, either moved to some were else and bought a more expensive house or moved out of the state and bought somewhere else. People making as little money as I do, bought themselves a home. Lived the good life for two years and crash. Couldn’t afford to make the higher rate of loan when it increased, foreclosure, house is empty, all fixtures stolen and ransacked. People playing the stock market, dot bombs………………
WTF ………… did anyone think the world was being realistic in this house of cards.
I don’t want to get stuck paying taxes for others mistakes and irresponsibility. Who is to blame, lots of people. The realestate folks that sell the “gotta buy a house now or in the future you will miss out”, banks for knowing these people are in over their heads. Banks that sell the loans to others. Banks that play with that loan money. The stupid Senate and House that have done nothing but buy into the scheme themselves.
I don’t want this load of irresponsible crud on my back!
This is because of pure stupidity.
Sorry if any of you are in this mess.
#560Henrietta: I have not decided yet what I think of the bailout…I mean, we definitely need to do something. It is a bit romantic to simply say let the whole house of cards fall down, when that fall determines whether people literally can put or have bread on the table…the nature of the bailout is the issue for me, and the details, which are yet to be bodied out esp. in regard to this time around who watches the hens, the hen house, and the foxes, as well as the weasels, the vultures, the snakes, and the lice. Can you help me understand why using private consultants , and allowing one individual, the Treasury Secretary to Czar this move, is the appropriate way to go? Can you also help me understand why those same consultants will not be some of the very same individuals who gamed this system in the first place?
And, won’t we also have some of the same entitities oer the same individuals under some new LLC designations go out and buy these devalued homes as were part of the play in the first place? I value your views here.
WE let our politicians let him. We were too busy enjoying our excess to condemn the same in our leaders or demand accountability. Today, we are getting exactly what we deserve….and begging someone to bail us out.
Off topic:
This evening, about dark, my neighbor found a little kitten out behind another neighbor’s garage. It seems to be only old enough to have one eye open, and the other does not appear to have opened yet. I do not know how old this would make it, but it is very small.
It also has fleas. I mean tons of them. I fed it some watered down milk, and that seemed to satisfy it. Does anyone know how to rid a kitten this young of fleas?
In 1957 my parents bought a house for $35,000. It was a nice house. At that time there was such a thing as depreciation. Hasn’t anyone ever wondered how a house that is new and $35 thousand can be worth $100 thou when it’s 10 or 15 years older? When it’s got worn doorlocks, termites, needs a paint job, has warped window sills, etc? It’s insane. It’s also a con-job.
I don’t have cats but when my dog had fleas, I stuck eucalyptus leaves in his area and it helped. It is natural, and this kitty is too young for drugs unless a vet helped you.
Henerietta Cover it with Baking soda.
#570 Alice1943
Today, we are getting exactly what we deserve….and begging someone to bail us out.
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See Alice, I told you we agree on a lot of things.
No, we should have people like economists from Columbia University, perhaps some of the other universities, some bank examiners, some Real Estate appraisers, and some well qualified people like Bill Clinton involved.
I never said this would be easy. I am sure it will not be. Just finding qualified, untained, non conflict of interest people will be a challenge.
Treasury is a good place to put the bail out because it takes it out of the hands of a corrupt congress and streamlines the process.
John McCain has promised to put well qualifed democrats and independents into his cabinet. I think he will. I would like to see Bill Clinton oversee this effort myself.
Henrietta: I don;t know that, but I know you can get some kind of liquid food in a can for kittens to feed on..it is very expensive, though…There is a website by a Dr. John, which may be able to answer your question regarding fleas if no one else knows here.
568 BillieJo AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!! Exactly what I’m trying to say.
Alice:
Do we just dust the kitty with baking soda, kind of like baby powder? It has so many flea droppings on it that a few drops of milk in its fur caused it to turn bloody!
Our parents or grandparents bit the bullet and sacrificed during the depression years. Now it’s either our turn or our children’s. We all contributed to the dilemna but our children are innocent.
Yes, dust it with the baking soda and leave it on awhile. It will smother the fleas and you will see them trying to jump off. When you think most of them are gone, then rinse the poor lil thing with mild water, and ten use a flea spray. You may have to do it twice.
Henrietta: But John McCain, I thought, does not want to put this issue simply in the hands of a Czar kind of one person hands, i.e. Sec of Treasury. And for all my love of Bill, it was under his administration that rules and laws among financial institutions were loosened and removed in some cases. Without oversight, and there was none by Congress, even with a yearly report by the quasi independent agency created in 1992 or 3, reporting every year to Congress on conditions of Fannie Mae and Mac, why should any of us believe something better will ensue under one man….?
I don’t. I believe MCain will take an approach that assures better oversight but I need to go check his position on the details of the bailout as of today …i.e.
as more of it is bodied out overall.
I would like to walk away and let the people who made the mess suffer. The problem is, we are all going to suffer if we let this thing go too far. If you own a house, have an insurance policy (health, car, or life), a pension fund or a 401K, you are affected, whether you participated directly in the creation of the mess or not. That is the reality. If we don’t do something, it will take down the value of all of our assetts, perhaps wipe them completely out.
Where else in the universe can one hold a discussion of how to get fleas off a kitten and how to solve the worst financial crisis in the history of this country.. at the same time butHERE AT PUMAPAC BLOG… I love it!
If you suspect that your pet does have a flea infestation examine the animal closely by separating the hair on the animals back or flank area. You want to be able to view the skin of the animal as well as possible and it will always be easier to detect fleas on those pets that have a lighter skin tone. During your search you might actually be able to see a flea scurrying by, but more likely you will see the evidence that the flea has left behind. Flea dirt (or feces) will appear as small, black pebbles in the fur and on the skin. To determine whether or not what you see is actually flea dirt, take some wet paper towel and wipe it over areas where the dirt is most prominent. If the dirt on the wet paper towel has dissolved into red blood then you can bet that you are indeed dealing with a flea problem.
Now let’s get down to bathing your flea infested friend. Use an herbal shampoo that contains a combination of any of pine cedar, bergamot, rosemary, lavender, eucalyptus, citronella, juniper or geranium. Before you wet down your pet here’s a handy trick to ensure that you are successful in killing all of those nasty fleas. Know going into this process that as soon as you wet the animal down, those fleas are going to run for higher and dryer ground; this means they will flea (no pun intended) to the head area. You should never douse your pet’s head with water and certainly not soap, so in order to prevent the fleas from escaping make sure that you first pour a thick layer of the shampoo all around the head and neck area; as close to the top of the head and underneath the chin area as you can get. Pour small amounts of water with your hand onto the soapy area and spend some time building up a thick, soapy barrier that will kill the fleas that attempt to pass through it. Proceed by wetting down and lathering up the rest of the animal’s body while frequently returning to massage and re-lather the neck area. Fleas are very difficult to kill and it is better for your pet if you can handle the problem with one good bath rather than several of them, so be sure to leave the shampoo on for at least 15 minutes or more while continuing to massage the soap deep into the animal’s fur. Rinse the animal thoroughly and dry it off well, especially during cold weather.
If you are also dealing with a house infestation of fleas, here’s a great way to get rid of the problem. Mix together 1 1/2 pounds of diatomaceous earth, 1 1/2 pounds of natural borax and 1 cup of salt. (Don’t use the earth and borax that you can purchase at a pool store, rather use the products that you can get from your local garden store.) The diatomaceous earth works because it contains very tiny particles that have sharp spines, which puncture the exoskeleton of the flea, killing it. The borax and salt work by absorbing the moisture of the flea and make all of those cracks and small areas that they might find to live in your home much more undesirable. You can use the mixture by sprinkling it throughout your home onto carpets and into those harder to reach areas. Allow the mixture to sit for a couple of days and then vacuum it up. Although these powders are not poisonous it’s never a good idea for you or your pet to breathe it continually for days so if it’s possible to go elsewhere while it sits then that’s definitely an option you should use. Alternatively, if you prefer not to douse the house with the mixture, you can always pour it into your vacuum cleaner bag and vacuum everything thoroughly so that any of the sucked up fleas will die inside the bag. Keep in mind that this solution will not kill the un-hatched flea eggs and therefore the process may need to be repeated several times depending on the severity of your problem.”
Henerietta,
the only way you will be able to save the kitten is to take it to the vet. ours was a little older when we found him he was full of fleas. iigot some of that kitten milk at Walmart and fed him. The next day we took him to the vet and the vet said he would probably die cuz the fleas had completely dehydrated him. He gave the kitten a large syringe of sugar water like an IV and only charged us half the bill because he didn’t expect him to live. The next day our now 5 year old cat was full of vim and vigor. We eventually got rid of the fleas . It took a couple of days. We love him very much.
It is my understanding that it is probably that there will be many overseers in the treasury department.
This is the tweaking that Congress needs to do. There needs to be some guidelines as to the responsibility of the treasury department. As I understand it, the treasury department, headed by the treasury secretary, is the entity being made responsible for overseeing and managing the bail out. That is much more than just one person. The Treasury has many sub departments. They even include the Secret Service and the Bureau of Alcohol, tobbacco and firearms!
583 Henerietta Yes, and that is our dilemna. No one wants to lose what they have worked hard and long to acquire. So because they don’t, they are clamoring for the bailout. And, if the bailout doesn’t work? And there’s certainly no guarantees that it will. If it doesn’t, we will all lose alot more than our assets.
#579 Henerietta
How to remove fleas on a very young kitten
The safest way to treat a kitten under 6 weeks of age for fleas is to bathe him using warm water and Dawn dishwashing detergent and then to manually pick off remaining fleas. Dawn dishwashing soap is very effective and it kills fleas quickly. Many breeders bathe their cats in Dawn.
http://www.catsofaustralia.com/kitten_fleas.htm
I’m no expert on kittens, so read this site…it sounds good.
#583Henrietta; I concur with you here. My concerns rest in the Czar concept and the fact that the Treasury Sec will not be here in January! My concerns are with consultants who themselves may very well have been part of the play for this debacle in the first place. My concerns are for placing more financial mess in this bailout ..student loans, credit cards,…My concerns are with the details, not the concept of bailout. We can not let all the cards fall, but the details will determine the nature and results of the effort. And I agree with McCain that one person should not have total control of this thing.
587 Henerietta You certainly have alot of trust in government agencies. Let us pray it’s not misplaced. For once.
Time for my old bones to rest.
And to think the polls reflect that people trust McCain more with Security, but Obama with the economy. Shudder!
http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/obama_harvard_/2008/09/23/133199.html
582 NewOrleansPuma,
McCain outlined a great plan for this mess we are in. Meanwhile, Obama voted “present” again!Watch his economy speech from WI:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAy2d4r0kPQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61CJhBh7mqc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-2b2kaTas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFJp5VHM0_o
The first link is the introduction by Palin and the other three are the McCain speech. I know everyone says he’s always against regulation, but he’s smart too. John McCain co-sponsored the S. 190 [109th]: Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 and Democrats and some Republicans shot it down! That Bill predicted everything happening now. It called for oversight of Freddie Mac and Fannie May! There is plenty of blame to go around both Parties, but so far McCain and the Clintons are offering solutions while Obama is waiting to decide who to copy from. He can’t do that as President! Oh well, I hope the speech helps you in your decision. : )
#584 NewOrleansPuma on 09.24.08 at 2:10 am Where else in the universe can one hold a discussion of how to get fleas off a kitten and how to solve the worst financial crisis in the history of this country.. at the same time butHERE AT PUMAPAC BLOG… I love it!
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I also love it! This poor kitty is a sorry sight. My neighbor who found it has been ill, and has a very bouncy dog that has the run of the house. I took the kitty so I could try to save her life. It seems almost appropriate to be talking about saving a kitty and saving our country. What a metaphor on PUMA!
Oh, the kitten is solid white.
#583 Henerietta on 09.24.08 at 2:08 am
I would like to walk away and let the people who made the mess suffer. The problem is, we are all going to suffer if we let this thing go too far. If you own a house, have an insurance policy (health, car, or life), a pension fund or a 401K, you are affected, whether you participated directly in the creation of the mess or not. That is the reality. If we don’t do something, it will take down the value of all of our assetts, perhaps wipe them completely out.
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This is part of the problem in my opinion. You are worried about the value of your assets, and don’t want to lose anything. Is it right for everyone to have what they bought on credit and have everyone else pay more taxes for all those people that want to keep their assets? I have no assets, I rent an apartment, I have no stock…I one my used car. I work full time yet I am already in my early sixties. Should someone that didn’t buy into the hype pay more taxes so others with a home and assets can keep what they have in loans? If you own something free and clear, it’s yours. You can’t have it taken away, but if you bought a home and have loans………………you are in the mess.
Whether Democrat or Republican, you should get a kick out of this!
A little boy goes to his dad and asks, ‘What is Politics?’
Dad says, ‘Well son, let me try to explain it this way:
I am the head of the family, so call me The President.
Your mother is the administrator of the money, so we call her the
Government.
We are here to take care of your needs, so we will call you the People.
The nanny, we will consider her the
Working Class.
And your baby brother, we will call him the Future.
Now think about that and see if it makes sense.
So the little boy goes off to bed thinking about what Dad has said.
Later that night, he hears his baby brother crying, so he gets up to check
on him.
He finds that the baby has severely soiled his diaper.
So the little boy goes to his parents’ room and finds his mother asleep.
Not wanting to wake her, he goes to the nanny’s room Finding the door
locked, he peeks in the keyhole and sees his father in bed with the nanny.
He gives up and goes back to bed.
The next morning, the little boy says to his father, ‘Dad, I think I
understand the concept of politics now.’
The father says, ‘Good, son, tell me in your own words what you think
politics is all about.’
The little boy replies, ‘The President is screwing the Working Class while
the Government is sound asleep.
The People are being ignored and the Future is in deep shit.
#584 NewOrleansPuma on 09.24.08 at 2:10 am
Where else in the universe can one hold a discussion of how to get fleas off a kitten and how to solve the worst financial crisis in the history of this country.. at the same time butHERE AT PUMAPAC BLOG… I love it!
I agree.
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Grumble, grumble, kitty…. fleas …….. purrrrrrrrr, grumble. Too funny.
(Fannie Mae*)My bad.
On a slightly lighter note,
Q. Why won’t Obama Messiah release his real birth certificate?
A. It shows that he didn’t have a virgin birth.
Q: What do you get when you cross a crooked politician with a crooked lawyer?
A: Barack Obama.
Q. Why won’t Obama laugh at himself?
A. Because it would be racist.
Q. Why did Barack Obama register to run for office as a Democrat?
A. The Communist Party doesn’t have enough voters.
Username:
You are correct. John McCain and Hillary Clinton both tried to get reform going long before anyone else in Congress or in the Bush Administration even took notice that there was a problem. Most of the current INNER Circle democrats (Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, etc) actually blocked their efforts.
This gives me hope that John McCain will follow through if and when he is the president. Obama was one of the road blocks, so how exactly, can he fix something he has helped create?
Henrietta: Oh yes…you are right…what a fine metaphor…” it is appropriate to be talking about saving a kitty and saving our country …what a metaphor for Puma, Henrietta!!!! I would be doing and have done the same for this kitty…. trying to help this poor little sweet creature, gift of God…why I could never work for the SPCA! In my childhood I enticed so many stray dogs and minnie cats to follow me home…it was pitiful!
And lucky for me I had a mama who was kind to these creatures and to her daughter who she certainly knew did not just have them haphazardly follow her home! Children learn so much from these kindnesses we show to all of God;s little creatures….You’re a good mama, Henrietta! and to that good mama ..I have to say goodnight for now….hope to see you and all tomorrow!
Gotta go to bed, sorry if I made anyone that has assets unhappy. I am having a hard time living owning no home and paying more taxes for others that do is something I am not feeling generous about.
My son has a chronic illness and he is my priority to any extra cash I have.
#594Username: Befor I go, I want to thank you for the links which I definitely will check out tomorrow…I appreciate it.
Henrietta, I found one of my cats abandoned at approx. 4 weeks old. He had never eaten solid food as he had not been weaned. He was covered in fleas in the manner you describe. How I handled it comes with a “caution label”. I bathed him, blew his coat dry on a low/warm setting on the hair dryer and gave him one drop of Advantage between the shoulder blades. Advantage should not be used on a kitten that small. But I did, and it worked. He is now on the verge of turning 8 years old, healthy and happy.
600 Henerietta ,
I know everyone in Washington bears some blame, but I don’t know when Obama plans to start taking action. That’s what’s important now. He actually criticized McCain for offering a solution! The other problem with Obama is his policies change depending on he steals ideas from, and changes people to steal from when his audience changes so I have no idea what to expect him to really do about anything. I know all politicians pander to blocks they need but McCain has a record and history we can consult and Obama has a business card. I dunno.
#596 Billiejo
So you don’t think you are affected because you rent? Think again. Someone probably has a mortgage on your rental property. That property has value. If the bottom drops out of the real estate market, and the property owner finds himself in a negative equity situation, he may be forced to default. You would be out of a home. I also own my car free and clear. How would you like to have a car that you paid maybe $5,000 for last week, be worth $500 next week?
Do you have money in the bank? That would deflate too. How would you like to have to pay $1000 for a week’s worth of groceries because all of the nation’s money has been devalued to 10% of its current worth?
Perhaps you owned your own home, paying maybe, $100,000 for it, your life savings. Then the crash hits, and it is devalued to $10,000? You just lost your life savings. Perhaps you bought that house 10 years ago at $100,000 and have been paying on it the whole time. Now the house is worth $10,000 but you still owe $40,000 on it!
These are the things that happen when an economy collapses.
The other points I am making are:
The bail out will cost a net Zero or nearly a net Zero if the plan is properly executed. We are mostly cosigning loans/guaranteeing loans, and liquidating properties that we will buy to give the market some liquidity. That money will come back into the treasury eventually.
#601 NewOrleansPuma,
No problem. : )
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#602 BillieJo,
We were already unhappy. : ) Sorry to hear what you are going through. Times are tough for so many right now. If I really thought McCain was an economic disaster I would get drunk and vote for Obama. I happen to honestly believe it’s the other way around. Whatever happens, I sincerely hope things get better for people like you.
UserName:
Yes the whole pot of crap in Washington deserves some blame. Maybe some of the better ones, Hillary, McCain, and others, should have tried harder. Maybe they did try harder, but could not win the fight.
Obama is certainly not a trustworthy individual. He will co-opt any good idea or any idea that serves his needs to co-opt at the moment. Underneath it all, he is either pandering for pandering sake, or up to no good in a self serving way. We could never trust him.
McCain, on the other hand, is usually more trustworthy and at least tries to follow through. Even if I disagree with him on many things, he is usually very candid and reliable in what he says and does. That is much better than anything I have seen out of Obama.
Username:
I agree with you. I sure hope all our pumas, including you, Billiejo, will do better soon. I am always in a financial crisis myself, as my appraisal business has flat lined because of the dried up mortgage fund situation.
I may be able to cover this month’s bills, or maybe survive with some of them past due for a month. That is the reality of our lives these days.
How did it get this bad. What does Washington do all the time? I’m angry at all of them! I hope if McCain wins he gives the Clintons some powerful roles. Hillary warned about this too all during her campaign while Obama was running on rhetoric of “change”! McCain has always been friends with Senator Clinton and he’s always worked with Democrats so I think he will. Joe Biden even said once he would be honored to run with John McCain and I know he was on John Kerry’s short list in 2004. We also know Lieberman was someone McCain wanted to run with this time, but had to make a choice that would get Republicans to vote for him. I remember in the primary people like Ann Coulter said if McCain was the nominee she would vote for Hilary b/c she’s more conservative! lol I got way off subject in this rant,sorry. It’s late! : ) The point is I think he and Clinton tried to warn us, I wish other politicians and the media would have listened!
Another interesting article about Obama’s tuition payments at Harvard.
http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/obama_harvard_/2008/09/23/133199.html
Re: Sarah Palin crowd in Florida – Our local Fliorida news station estimated the crowd to be 50,000!!!
Also, for the PUMAS who live here in Florida, how many of you saw this article in the St. Pete Times
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/09/23/fl-paper-quotes-white-woman-racist-against-obama-she-says-she-ne
#609 Henerietta ,
I have a lot of help from my family. I feel worse for you guys. I hope things improve for you.
Thank you Lauriepuma for the kitty advice. I am worried about going to bed, as I am afraid she might not make it. I went out a little while ago and fed her some more milk. I will see what I can accomplish tomorrow.
I spent a good deal of time at the vet today. I have a visiting Boxer girl that I had bred AI at the vet today. My young studd boy wouldn’t do the deed, so we extracted sperm and insiminated. This was at a fertility vet, not my regular guy.
If this little girl makes it through the night, I will try to find out how to save her tomorrow.
#612 Luckyseven,
Interesting article. My mother is always saying he’s been groomed for this job by terrorists in another Country. I usually ignore it b/c I’m adopted and she’s 70 years old. I figured it was just a fear older people have that he’s Muslim. I must say, things do seem odder every day.
614 Henerietta ,
I must have missed this kitten problem. Do you mind me asking what your question was? If it’s a long response I’ll just scroll up.
Henrietta, oy! My second cat is in the hospital right now. Very sick with what we do not know. Also very, very expensive.
You may not know this, but milk is not good for cats or kittens, contrary to the lore. My vet recommended baby food for the newborns – like the strained chicken with a little rice cereal. Or, you could do what I did, which also comes with a caution label – canned cat food, mashed into a puree’ with a little warm water. I am sure animal folks are reading this and cringing that I am a terrible pet parent. But honestly, it worked better than babyfood. LOL.
We will survive. My husband lost a job in January of 2001. He had been on that job for 17 years, and had worked up to department head. He took a 20% pay cut and went to work for a sister company. It went belly up after less than 18 months. He went to work for another company for about 15% less than the second job he lost. It also went belly up to a plant closing.
He now makes about 60% of what he once made, and has fewer bennefits. All of this happened when we had one daughter in College and then the other graduated and also went on to college. I thought we would not survive both girls being in school at the same time.
We got down to two cars among the 4 of us. Hubby works third shift, so the two of us shared his pick up truck. One daugher lived in the dorm (thank goodness for financial aid) and the other drove my car. The oldest daughter has now graduated with a nursing degree, and the youngest is a senior at Cal State Northridge. We live in Indiana, but Beth earned a place as an exchange student this year.
We now have three cars between us!
YES, I’M A BAD AMERICAN
I Am the Liberal-Progressives Worst Nightmare. I am an American. I am a Master Mason and believe in God.I ride Harley Davidson Motorcycles and believe in American products. I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some Liberal governmental functionary be it Democratic or Republican! I’m in touch with my feelings and I like it that way! I think owning a gun doesn’t make you a killer, it makes you a smart American.
I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, and does not entitle you to anything. Get over it!
I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, do it in English. I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God when and where they want to.
My heroes are John Wayne, Babe Ruth, Roy Rogers, and
Willie G Davidson that makes the Awesome Harley Davidson Motorcycles.
I don’t hate the rich. I don’t pity the poor.
I know wrestling is fake and I don’t waste my time watching or arguing about it.
I’ve never owned a slave, or was a slave, I haven’t burned any witches or been persecuted by the Turks and neither have you! So, shut up already.I believe if you don’t like the way things are here, go back to where you came from and change your own country! This is AMERICA .
We like it the way it is!
If you were born here and don’t like it you are free to move to any Socialist country that will have you. I want to know which church is it, exactly, where the Reverend Jesse Jackson preaches, where he gets his money, and why he is always part of the problem and not the solution. Can I get an AMEN on that one?
I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you’re breaking the law, regardless of what color you are.
And, no, I don’t mind having my face shown on my drivers license.
I think it’s good….. And I’m proud that ‘God’ is written on my money.
I think if you are too stupid to know how a ballot works, I don’t want you deciding who should be running the most powerful nation in the world for the next four years.
I believe the president of the United States should put his hand over his heart and say the pledge of allegiance and should have no reservations about wearing American flag pins on his lapel.
I dislike those people standing in the intersections trying to sell me stuff or trying to guilt me into making ‘donations’ to their cause. Get a Job and do your part!
I believe that it doesn’t take a village to raise a child, it takes two parents.
I believe ‘illegal’ is illegal no matter what the lawyers think.
I believe the American flag should be the only one allowed in AMERICA !
If this makes me a BAD American, then yes, I’m a BAD American.
We want our country back!
We NEED GOD BACK IN OUR COUNTRY!
&a mp;a mp;n bsp;
WE LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE,
ONLY BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE
Henerietta,
I scrolled up. I too rescued four kittens someone left abandoned in a ditch once! I did the same thing LaureyPuma did with the bath and blowdryer. I bought this powder milk for kittens and baby bottles to feed them with. They were newborns. I knew the milk was bad for cats, but I just learned something about kittens. oops
My neighbor found a very small kitten crying and abandoned out behind another neighbor’s garage. I brought it in and am trying to care for it. It is obviously very young and seems to be dehydrated. It also has a multitude of fleas. It is solid white, and the fleas are very visible.
I gave it some diluted 2% milk, and tried to pick the fleas off of it with a piece of tape. It didn’t work. The little one is now resting and has a full tummy. She seems to be ok for the moment.
I send good thoughts to the kitten and all of us.
BTW, Sandipuma, did you write that? If so, I am impressed you ride a Harley!
#619 sandipuma,
Doesn’t make you bad to me. I respect everyone’s views. If that’s how you feel, so be it. : )
LaureyPuma no my freind did and he rides a big Harley at the age of 70 and he was one of them that went to John Mccains rally
I think I’d better go on to bed. I have to be up at 7. I guess 3 hours of sleep will have to do.
good night everyone!
#621 Henerietta,
aww poor baby. I love cats. My ex gf had four, and I loved them more than anything. That’s also when I found the four kittens I had to find homes for. I had owned one cat before that, a Devonshire Rex which is hairless and I lived with someone else before that had a Persian(very hairy). Anyway, I was fine around those, but when I lived with her I found out I have severe allergies to cats! My eyes would swell up and I would get so itchy! I have to take Zyrtec to be around any cats now. It’s awful. I still love them though!
625 Henerietta ,
Good night.
Him and his wife don’t look a day over 55 they also think we pumas are awesome
#624 sandipuma,
That’s awesome! I saw a clip from that event. Poor John McCain didn’t know he was offering Cindy up for a topless “beauty pageant” LOL Poor guy!
i don’t even ride i kiddie bike lol
Did anyone notice Obama being his usual Obama self, stealing ideas from his competitors and then saying that they were his ideas?
John McCain came out with his plan for dealing with the Wall Street financial debacle and shortly afterward, Obama came out with the same plan. This is just too funny that people have not noticed that this has gone on since the early days between Obama and Hillary. He would wait for her to come out with a plan and then reword it as his plan. He would flip flop and then say that it is what “he had always said and people were not paying attention if they didn’t know that”. Yeah.
Now he does that with McCain over and over, and the media still acts like they have not noticed this?? What is up with these people. Are they not concerned that when there is no Hillary Clinton to come up with a plan, when there is no more John McCain to come up with a plan, then Obama will have no plans because he no longer will have anyone to figure out plans that he can steal?
This behavior also goes back to Obama’s behavior while in Chicago. He didn’t write legislative bills. Other legislature did the work, and then Obama’s fairy godfather took those bills written by others, put Obama’s name on the top, allowed Obama to take the floor to present the bills, and Boom, Obama had legislation without doing a lick of work.
How stupid are the media if I can figure this out, but the professionals can’t see it? Either they are blind, or stupid or chose to ignore the obvious in favor of denial that the candidate they want is a Trojan Horse whom they wish to push through for ideals that have no basis in the reality of government. Or they have a money backed interest in seeing him win.
Following the money. Has anyone ever figured out why Obama gets so much more money than any candidate ever? My guess is that they expect him to keep doing what he did in Chicago, bring in money. That is the Obama gift that just keeps giving. Annenberg Project, 110 Million, Woods Foundation, more millions, Election funds, 66 million just in August. Where does the money go? Where does it come from? It is not $5 and $10 donations. Do those big ticket donors expect payback? You know they do. Will he pay them back? Yeah , because he has no plan. He won’t have anyone to steal a plan from anymore if elected President, so he will get his plans from those who bought his way into the White House.
Lots of great people out there
Libby yes he sure did Mr. copy cat he can’t come up with a thing of his own
631 Libby ,
Don’t even get me started on that! That’s all he does. He never goes first b/c he has to wait to copy from his opponent. I screamed about it all through the primaries and now! The media kept saying he and Hillary were so close on policy. That’s because she always went first! McCain has the best energy plan and I kept trying to get him to give a “man to the moon” type speech before Obama did. What do you know, he gives the speech and even quoted sending man to the moon. I wonder if he’s stealing my emails,lol! He even said he was for limited offshore drilling too and everything else was the rest of McCain’s plan except the windfall profit tax and Obama is against nuclear energy. Well, who knows this week he might be for it! : )
http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/sarah_palin_mythology/2008/09/23/133526.html
You know I was on the McCain blog earlier and an Obamabot got on there. First he was mad at the Democrats for McCain and told them they had sold out voting for an ultra-conservative Republican neocon. Then 20 minutes later more conservatives were on the blog and he told them they were fools being had. That John McCain was the same liberal he always was and he would say f- you to them after he won. So, I told the guy, “I know you’ve been listening to ‘have it both ways’ Obama too long and it’s obviously rubbed off, but please pick one attack and stick to it. You are a walking contradiction and it looks desperate! Desperation isn’t a good look” He called me stupid and left. hahahaha
Hi Everybody,
I’m against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.
Instead, I’m in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a We Deserve It Dividend.
To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000 bona fided U.S. Citizens 18+.
Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000
might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..
So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billion that equals $425,000.00.
My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a We Deserve It Dividend.
Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let’s assume a tax rate of 30%.
Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A husband and wife has $595,000.00.
What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads
Put away money for college – it’ll be there
Save in a bank – create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car – create jobs
Invest in the market – capital drives growth
Pay for your parent’s medical insurance – health care improves
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else
Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs
at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back.
And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.
If we’re going to re-distribute wealth let’s really do it…instead of trickling out a puny $1000.00
( “vote buy” ) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
If we’re going to do an $85 billion bailout, let’s bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!
As for AIG – liquidate it.
Sell off its parts.
Let American General go back to being American General. Sell off the real estate.
Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.
Here’s my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn’t.
Sure it’s a crazy idea that can “never work.”
But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!
How do you spell Economic Boom?
I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion
We Deserve It Dividend more than they do, the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC.
And remember, The Family plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned
instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.
Ahhh…I feel so much better getting that off my chest.
Kindest personal regards,
ACreativeGal&Citizen.
PS: Feel free to pass this along to your pals as it’s either good for
a laugh or a tear or a very sobering thought on how to best use
$85 Billion!!
sandi
Im doing a puma blog drive by in the middle of the night..
Thats is the best idea I have heard in years!
I guess i will go to bed and dream that we would get the We Deserve It Dividend. Night all (((Pumas)))
carrie i think it would work and help the country.
635 sandipuma ,
Thanks for the article. I checked it out, but I already knew those things weren’t true. I researched all of McCain’s short list options months before he chose and I found her to be his best choice. I knew he wanted Lieberman, but he already had trouble getting Republicans to vote for him. I liked her maverick streak and the fact that she was so real. I’m an Independent swing voter, but she is a little conservative for me. However, this is the bipartisan year and McCain is so moderate he’s like an Independent so it was cool with me. I wrote to him over and over saying I thought she would be his best choice. I knew about trooper-gate and all that so I didn’t know if he’d pick her, but I saw it for what it was from the beginning–NOTHING! I found it interesting they started that investigation when she was mentioned on his short list on tv a few times! I think she’s fabulous and I was happy when I turned on the tv and saw McCain went the person I had picked. I actually predicted both VP picks! I picked Biden before the media and Palin which the media never predicted. haha Those people are usually so wrong. Maybe that means McCain will actually win, but I can’t call that one.
The greedy Government would never do something good and right like that for the people.Guess i can dream
#637 sandipuma ,
Sounds like a better plan than our failed leaders have come up with. : )
I think he will win. I pray he will win. Mccain and Palin make a great team
638 Caracal Carrie,
I like the screenname. It sounds like one of the names from the Sarah Palin baby name generator! It’s a blogspot where you put in your name and it tells you what your name would’ve been had Sarah Palin been your mother. Mine was Halter Grasshopper Palin! lol : ) It’s silly, a little mean with some names, but good for a laugh!
I know it is but you know they would scoff at doing the right thing
#644 sandipuma ,
I’ll be praying for that, don’t worry. I will also be praying Obama doesn’t get away with his usual voter fraud tactics!
Well, I’m going to try and go sleepy time. Good night pumas, it was nice chatting with you all!
OBAMA AUTHOR ANDY MARTIN SAYS SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN MUST SAY “NO” TO THE WALL STREET BAILOUT
MARTIN SAYS MCCAIN SHOULD BREAK WITH THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND ANNOUNCE “HE WORKS FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, NOT THE BANKERS, NOT THE BROKERS AND NOT THE FALLEN, FAILED CONFIDENCE MEN ON WALL STREET”
THE WOMAN’S ANGLE TO SAVING MCCAIN AND COUNTERATTACKING WALL STREET: ANDY MARTIN SAYS “KRAWCHECK FRONT AND CENTER!”
ANDY TAKES COMMAND AND LAYS OUT MCCAIN’S ROAD TO VICTORY
(NEW YORK)(September 24, 2008) During the summer I told a number of groups that the only way Senator John McCain could win was to pick a woman for vice president. McCain was listening to me. He chose Sister Sarah and, until last week, he was on track to win. Until the phony Wall Street crisis erupted, that is.
A new Washington Post poll now shows Barack Obama opening up a decisive lead based on the amazing belief that Obama is more competent to manage the economy. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/23/AR2008092303667.html?hpid=topnews
Obama, who has never managed anything without “mad bomber” William Ayers at his side, is not even competent to impose his own socialist worldview on the American economy. If the economy is bad now, it will be much worse under an Obama maladministration.
But how does McCain counteract the pro-Obama media hysteria over the economy?
He must speak clearly and simply and directly: he must announce in no uncertain terms his total opposition to the Wall Street bailout.
First, over the past year I have repeatedly pointed out that the current financial crisis is a “manufactured” crisis. The urgency was created by maladroit steps to rein in sub-prime mortgages when they posed no threat to the overall economy. One bad step led to another. We have rather clumsily managed to topple our own financial dominoes. The mess is Wall Street’s fault, not George Bush’s responsibility.
Second, a “crisis” of “faith” or “confidence” is by definition a false crisis. Faith and confidence are tropes for escapism and exaggeration or even manipulation. Omaha investor Warren Buffet, who is a legendary bottom fisher on Wall Street, is investing $5 billion in Goldman Sachs. Is he investing to receive the sub-par return that many have predicted Goldman will earn now that the firm has become a federally regulated bank holding company? Doubtful. Buffet knows that panics by definition lead to excesses, and excesses lead to opportunities.
The liquidation of Lehman Brothers is being handled on an orderly basis. Buyers are there to invest in the firm.
Third, McCain and his staff have to realize and admit that Obama has made some cautious but sensible statements. Obama opposes golden parachutes, supports financial incentives to small taxpayers as part of any bailout, and supports extensive bipartisan oversight instead of the blank check requested by the treasury secretary. Obama is playing classic ball control now that our national misfortune has rebounded to his political advantage.
Fourth, although McCain has made one TV commercial linking Obama to Frank Raines, the former Fannie Mae head, this is not a time for token spots to be used as talking points by the cable TV bobbleheads. McCain has to relentlessly hammer the fact that Obama has been in bed with the very people that orchestrated the financial collapse and who were the captains of greed on Wall Street. Ad after ad after ad. McCain has to base his entire campaign on exposing the perfidiousness and conflicts between Obama’s professed economic policies and the political realities of his fund-raising operation.
The timing of this “crisis” of “faith” and “confidence” is almost enough to make you wonder if Obama’s supporters on Wall Street manufactured the meltdown on the eve of the election to help elect their man. Why a crisis now?
McCain needs to attack Obama on the cash Obama received from Wall Streeters and Fannie Mae. McCain has made thrusts in this direction, but from now on he has to focus his entire campaign on exposing Obama as the man who was Wall Street’s favorite before the “collapse,” and is still the man Wall Street wants to win. Why has Wall Street been so consistently behind Obama? Why indeed?
Next, McCain must play the female card. And play it to win. Sallie Krawcheck was just pushed out at Citigroup (“The Citi never sleeps”) because she favored more protection for customers and less protection for bankers and brokers. Make her a heroine. Make her a parable for the greed and irredentist arrogance on Wall Street. “They still haven’t learned their lesson,” McCain should bellow at Wall Street and Broadway. “They dumped Krawcheck because she wanted to protect the public. And they want us to bail them out? No way!”
Tell people that “one courageous woman is worth a Wall Street of Gordon Gekkos.” Play the sex card. Play it hard. The women will love it. Krawchek was the most prominent woman left on Wall Street, and she was unceremoniously dumped because she favored protecting investors. These banker bastards still want to screw the public. They screwed Krawcheck. And we want the American people to bail them out? Remember Krawchek and Just Say No.
If you think the Palin card worked, the Krawcheck card will dynamite Obama the same way. Maybe more so. The last thing Obama & Company are expecting from you-given your unsteady responses over the past week–is a bold counterattack with a woman at the fore. Krawchek front and center. Attack. The brave woman against the greedy men. I love it.
Just listen to Andy, and we’ll win this one for the Gipper. We military guys have to stick together. No one ever won a battle with half measures; no one ever won an election on defense. Krawchek front and center. Attack.
Finally, McCain has to reduce the “crisis” issue to a sound bite: “Just say no to the Wall Street bailout.” This is not a time for subtlety or ambiguity or professorial rumination. This is a time for clarity.
I was trained as an economist at the University of Illinois. One thing economists do when faced with unattractive options is to balance which choice will impose the least burden on the economy (or taxpayers, or whomever is the focus of concern). You look at the risks on each side, and try to see which way the scale tips. In my opinion, taking more risks with Wall Street is less risky than giving Wall Street a blank check to subsidize past excesses. The fact that Buffet is buying $5 billion of Goldman stock and there were plenty of buyers for Lehman’s assets shows there is money on Wall Street to bail out Wall Street. Taxpayers not needed.
Clearly, the federal government faces unattractive options. But the current bailout proposal favors the rich and disadvantages working families. Bankers and brokers would be rewarded, without significant punishment for their atrocious greed; working people who are struggling would get virtually nothing. Obama sees this opening, which is why he is asking that relief for families in distress be part of any package. But, as usual, Obama is afraid to be bold. Basketball player that he is, Obama feels he is in the lead and he should go into a “stall” and protect that lead.
The only way to beat the stall in basketball is to steal the ball. It is not enough for McCain to match Obama with incremental improvements in the proposed bailout bill (more oversight, no golden parachutes, more this, more that, more technicalities and legislative minutiae).
McCain needs to be bold and decisive and break with the Bush administration. McCain must turn his biggest liability into his greatest opportunity.
McCain needs to say that we must not tax ordinary Americans to preserve extreme wealth and privilege for a handful of top executives and financial operators. “Wall Street should suffer so that Main Street can survive,” McCain can state. “Main Street should not suffer so Wall Street can survive.”
Next, it is essential to realize that the protective steps that were taken in the past, starting with last year’s overreaction to the sub-prime situation, and culminating in this year’s Bear Stearns takeover, failed. Why should we believe Treasury Secretary Paulsen now, when he has been consistently wrong in the past? Merely throwing bailout billions at Goldman Sachs’ favored clients (Treasury Secretary Paulsen is a former Goldman chief) will not end the crisis or restore confidence. Pain will be suffered.
The question is whether we inflict pain on the privileged or on the powerless. McCain must say that if someone has to endure pain, it should be the privileged, not the powerless. Warren Buffet has billions more to invest where his opening $5 billion came from. Let him take the risk, not the little people.
“I speak for the American people,” McCain should say, “Not Wall Street, not brokers, not bankers, and certainly not the malefactors of great wealth who have been exposed as confidence men without confidence in their own machinations.”
Only if McCain takes command can he win. If he goes half way and meets Obama half way, McCain cannot overcome the natural advantage that flows not from Obama’s assets but rather from McCain’ s liabilities as the representative of a party that is unfairly blamed for the mess on Wall Street. McCain has to make clear that the Wall Street scandals were a bipartisan whorehouse, and that Obama was in skivvies when the roof collapsed. Obama and Fannie Mae and Frank Raines were in bed together when no one was watching. Now the whole world is watching.
McCain must expose the truth and not be intimidated by the media spin machine that is anti-American and anti-Republican.
Senator McCain, take command. Just say no to the Wall Street bailout: “Main Street should not suffer to bail out Wall Street. The powerless should not have to pay higher taxes to subsidize the excesses and failures of the privileged class. I work for the American family, not billionaires and brokers. If Wall Street is good enough and safe enough for Warren Buffet, Wall Street does not need the nickels and dimes of working Americans. We should ban executive dining rooms and limousines for any bailout firm and watch how fast they find their own cash. Let the people who made this mess pay to clean up their failures. And remember what they did to Sallie Krawcheck.”
This is the only way you can win. Do it. The American people will stand with you. They won’t desert you if you don’t desert them. Just tell Wall Street: Drop Dead.
http://www.nysun.com/national/economic-turmoil-looms-over-first-presidential/86461/
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/24/us/24miss.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/running-mates-hogging-lions-share-of-limelight-2008-09-23.html
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/2008/view.bg?articleid=1121084
good morning Puma’s
Good morning.
Have heard of the new “Hillary sent me” efforts?
From now on when I blog I’m going to end it with,
“Puma sent me”
Dear PUMA Folks,
The below are the Battleground State numbers this morning off of RealClearPolitics.com.
WE CAN DO THIS…. I encourage everybody to get some good stuff out into on-line media in the below markets NOW! It works. The material I posted earlier this week in the Miami Herald (two different postings, same day) is getting the highest number of Recommends over some 5-6 pages of reader comments. PEOPLE ARE LISTENING. Get your stuff out there. Use my material (posted here earlier this week) if you want to.
I may write something new this weekend, or add to what I have already written.
Thank you.
Signed: CommonSense12
Ohio (20) Obama 45.1 McCain 46.7 McCain +1.6
Pennsylvania (21) Obama 47.0 McCain 44.5 Obama +2.5
Florida (27) Obama 46.0 McCain 48.0 McCain +2.0
Virginia (13) Obama 46.0 McCain 47.3 McCain +1.3
Wisconsin (10) Obama 48.0 McCain 44.8 Obama +3.2
Colorado (9) Obama 48.4 McCain 44.4 Obama +4.0
Minnesota (10) Obama 48.0 McCain 45.2 Obama +2.8
Indiana (11) Obama 45.5 McCain 47.8 McCain +2.3
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Common Sense 12
GOOD MORNING PUMAS
anything news about the lawsuit????????
Quick! Someone discovered that Donna’s base is only 1% nationally – they need the old base after all
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/sorry-donna-obama-needs-the-old-base-after-all/
Good morning all!
Is anyone watching FOX this morning? On McCain’s stop yesterday during a question from a supporter, a lady turned and asked the media why not stop picking on Palin and children and send 30 reporters to Chicago to investigate Obama and Ayers relationship! She will be on FOX within the hour!
AYERS & OBAMA
In about an hour on Fox the women that berated the media at McCain’s town hall meeting will be on.
Also they are discussing Ayers and Obama article in the Wall Street Journal yesterday by Kurtz (the only journalist so far to touch the issue~CAC)
Good Morning To All,
# 658
Thanks for the poll updates.
Even if BO is up the polls by +15 I am not going to panic. Gore and Kerry were both ahead and they lost.
I am hoping the same pattern repeats itself this year.
658
Please repost your material. thanks
# 660
The last line in that blog says it all.
“So, you racist, bitter old and uneducated – you may vote for Obama now. We’ll even stop calling you racist – at least on Election Day!”
Good morning Puma’s .
Good Morning to you.
Well thank god for fox news someone is going to look into Biden claiming he was under fire. The way they went at Hillary after her “snipper fire” claim they better go after him too.
Turn on foxnews (if anyone is still here) they are talking about race in the race.
Boy oh boy,
This guy on FOX is right. The media is playing with fire.
649 Great post. Hope you send it to McCain’s campaign.
Good Morning Pumas!
Turn on fox if you don’t have it on.
Anna I sent you a VERY good link with info. Please read.
I love that FOX has the lady from the rally on. I wish I could have been at that rally.
That is so right; Shame on the media.
675 ontherocks…….. And to think FOX is the only news station that is reporting it. The others are in the closet with Obama.
Thanks to her for scolding the media!
bythelake,
I just don’t get why the other stations are reusing to do a story that shows BO in a negative light. They have all the same information we have. Are they scared of him?
Obama’s propagandists – some notice the media role in this election
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/obamas-media/
677 ontherocks ….. You know, I can’t quite put my finger on it but I don’t think they are afraid. I actually think it has to do with money. Afterall, we know Obama bought votes from the DNC and delegates.
Money, root of all evil.
677 ontherocks – I believe the others are all owned by GE….but you can check it out.
Who owns most of the TV media:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020107/miller
Money, of course it is about money. I am not surprised.
Did you see that AOL is on that list? Guess why the polls that are “reported” are not necessarily the why we vote in the strawpolls, etc. If I had the extra time, I would do a daily on it, but it isn’t worth it I guess. That’s alright – the American people are tired of all the bias.
“the way” – darn I need to go back to bed!
Sandipuma & CommonSense
Rasmussen as of 9/22 had McCain ahead in FL by 5 and ahead in OH by 4. Real Clear Politics takes an average of the “suspect” pollsters.
I read the poll information from the WP, and I don’t believe for a minute that Americans believe BO is more qualified to turn the ecomony around. If you noticed they polled a sample of African Americans. Why didn’t they poll a sample of Clinton Democrat too?
The MSM has selected Cupcake. They want the first AA President and are willing to look the other way why he is buying this election.
Someone just e-mail this to me..
Please don’t delete. Read through to get the full effects….
PSALM 2008-2012
First book of Democrat
Obama is my Shepherd, I shall not want.
He Leadeth me beside still Factories
He Restoreth my faith in the Republican Party
He Guideth me in the Path of Unemployment
Yea, Though I walk through the Valley of the Bread Line, I shall not go Hungry.
Obama has Anointed my Income with Taxes, My Expenses Runneth over my Income,
Surely, Poverty and Hard Living Will Follow me all the Days of my Life.
The Democrats and I will Live Forever in a Rented home.
But I am Glad I am an American, I am glad that I am Free.
But I Wish I was a Dog and Obama a Tree.
Back to Work for me…
The lastest NBC/WP poll has Obama up by 9 points.
I don’t believe it for one second. NBC is so biased as is the Washington. Rasmusen has them tied and then NBC comes up with this. I believe by next week things will look very different.
University of Massachusetts offers two college credits to students to campaign for Obama! (Chaplain Ken Higgins)
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view/2008_09_23_UMass_chaplain_fails_in_effort_to_boost_Barack_Obama_s_chances/
http://www.massachusetts.edu/contactus.html
I didn’t find an actual email address or did I (??)
BAILOUT
There are times when government intervention can make things better. But that is no guarantee that it won’t make things worse. As they say, “the devil is in the details”– and we don’t know the details yet.
Probably most members of Congress don’t know the details yet– and many may still not know the details when the time comes for them to vote on this bailout.
http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/09/23/a_political_solution
Good mourning Pumas!
Wow there was a lot of good video out there yesterday.
Biden is a gold mine.
Correcting my typo…. economy
BO and the DP are unworthy to lead this country. They are using the economic crisis as leverage in this election. What is more galling is DP leaders have been at the forefront of the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Country Wide debacle.
Barney Frank (D) has been quoted from 2003, 2004 and so on stating that Fannie Mae was doing ok and Wall Street could handle the storm. I’m not sure what side I agree with about the bailout. However, I’m discounting what the Dems are saying because they have been a big cause of this.
Oil Drilling – the DP’s bill is a joke. They want us to drill in an area where no oil exists. Next, it is the Federal government and not the states that would gain the most profits. Why would any state agree to those financial terms? Finally, the other states bordering have to agree to the oil drilling. I have been a Democrat forever, I am so ashamed of them. BO, the Dems, and the MSM are acting like a third world dictatorship.
AFTER ALL THE CAUCUS FRAUD AND BUYING SUPERDELEGATE VOTES TO GAIN THE NOMINATION, WHY WOULD WE TRUST BO TO HANDLE OUR ECONOMY?
Does anyone know anything about newsbusters?
Oh and good morning
Caracal Carrie
Good Morning! I am not familiar with Newsbusters.
off to work…. will be checking in
Newsbusters.org – I used it a couple of times – it takes you back to the “original” post – something like that, so you can see who actually started a rumour or fact.
Thanks Gypsy I am working on the site and didn’t know if I should use them as a source or not.
Corruption.
Corruption, corruption and more corruption.
Where does it begin? Where do WE start? When will it end? Will our fight ever end?
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i COPIED THE FOLLOWING JUST IN CASE MURPHY WOULD LIKE TO USE IT AS A HEADER SOMETIME.
http://i3.photoblog.com/photos5/16929-1218654315-25-l.jpg
:LOL:
this was in an email i received this am. Has anyone else gotten anything like it…? It’s about obama’s internet campaigne funding..Im not posting the entire thing, but this is disturbing
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While the security people were not able to track most of the
sources due to firewalls and other blocking devices put on these
contributions they were able to collate the number of
contributions that were coming in seemingly from individuals but
the funds were from only a few credit card accounts and bank
electronic funds transfers. The internet service providers (ISP)
they were able to trace were from Saudi Arabia , Iran , and
other Middle Eastern countries. One of the banks used for fund
transfers was also located in Saudi Arabia .
Another concentrated group of donations was traced to a Chinese
ISP with a similar pattern of limited credit card charges.
It became clear that these donations were very likely coming from
sources other than American voters. This was discussed at length
within the campaign and the decision was made that none of these
donations violated campaign financing laws.
It was also decided that it was not the responsibility of the
campaign to audit these millions of contributions as to the actual
source (specific credit card number or bank transfer account
numbers) to insure that none of these internet contributors
exceeded the legal maximum donation on a cumulative basis of m any
small donations. They also found the record keeping was not
complete enough to do it anyway.
1gypsyformc
Here is the email address for the Chaplin in question.
kh@som.umass.edu
He runs a student group that serves “american Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodists, and Church of Christ”
Did anyone see fox this morning. Its a great day. They were talking about Ayers and bo’s real connection.
Now they are saying how upset people are and protesting the honor meeting for Irans Pres.
CAN WE GET THIS OUT
that meeting is being held at a hotel that one of BO’s top advisor owns. A Penny something.It is felt these two put pressure on commity to disinvite Palin. Can anyone help get this to news. I am not good at it .
I will continue the discussion from last night.
This bail out, if handled appropriately, is the best thing to happen to the economy since FDR and Bill Clinton. In fact, it is as if the Bush administration has taken a page from their handbook.
The plan is simple, only 3 pages long. The fleshing out of the plan with some details is the job of Congress. The plan is a bold outline of what needs to be done.
The first part of this plan is largely made up of loans and guarantees. This is not money actually spent, but co-signed for by the government. The second part is the provision to buy failed mortgages so they can be liquidated, refinanced, or otherwise sold in an effort to stabilize the real estate markets and save equity for every homeowner in the nation. The cost of this plan to the taxpayer is a net zero if it is played out and managed as planned.
We need to understand that this is the cheapest route to take. As banks fail, the FDIC is responsible for bailing out individual investors. The lack of liquidity in the money markets is causing a multitude of small and large banks to fail. This will cost you the tax payer directly as those deposits have to be paid back by the government. The bail out should prevent that.
NRA is after BO 4 new ads I saw one it was tough
This is spot-on:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/the_man_who_never_was.html
Barack Obama tells running mate Joe Biden to keep quiet and defended his pick of Biden over Hillary Clinton.
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
Morning Pumas – Rasumusen has Obama 49 – McCain – 47 – and link below is a big runaway for California for Obama –
Kansas – McCain – 58 – BO – 38
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/california/election_2008_california_presidential_election
Yes!
The Obama backed smear video story will be on Fox in a few.
Ill watch it in the shower.
Later Pumas!
#705 kevink
Thank you for the link. I never was a fan of TONY BLANKLEY, but I sure do like his article as every PUMA will. Be sure to repost the link when the new thread comes up,
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/general_election_match_up_history
This chart has included both the match-up with and without leaners since June 4th. When McCain started pulling ahead in mid-September, he stopped including the raw numbers and ONLY posted “with leaners”. The raw numbers were being hidden and the “with leaners” numbers (which are subject to PERSONAL interpretation) are the only ones posted. I called the contact number and spoke to a guy who became VERY defensive and accused me of being a conspiracy theorist. He told me the “with leaners” numbers were the only accurate numbers and that he should just remove the column showing the ACTUAL numbers. I said NO that’s not the point. The point is that readers should be given ALL the data so they could draw their own conclusions. I asked why he was afraid of the REAL numbers and he just said in a mocking voice, “yeah, I’m terrified of numbers!”
If anybody else thinks there’s something fishy about this you can give him a call as well. 732-776-9777
Good Morning all you wonderful PUMAs
The list of hard working PUMAs keeps getting longer and longer. It makes me impossible for me to keep thanking everyone. And that’s a wonderful thing.
I will have a prowl from Murphy out in about 1/2 hour so get ready.
Mama
Tsk Tsk. The poll manipulation is so obvious! AOL has a new slue of polls up with McCain leading in all of them. Even most biased polls show them very close. State polls show McCain winning, yet somehow Bozo has a 9 point lead on the Washington Post/ABC News national poll…..Hmmmm! And of course that is the poll that the MSM chooses to blast out all over the place. Can you spell desperate boys and girls?
Good morning MAMA.
I am not one of your SUPER WORKERS whom I admire so much. However, I do all the prowls and whenever someone asks for help, I jump right in and start a research for any information that may be helpful.
Breakdown of polls by State and Pollster with an excellent description of which pollsters (Rasmussen) tend to go for McCain and which pollsters tend to go for Bo.
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/
As I am one with all on here, Obama will never get my vote. As a life-long Democrat (turned Indy after RBC) I still have many friends asking me how I could vote for McCain?
What about health care?
What about the economy?
What about my retirement?
And I realized that it really is all about the money.
My congressman, Patrick Murphy of PA, sold his vote for @ $18,000 even tho his district went 67-23 for Hillary.
And I was watching fox last night as they were interviewing a man in Fla who was about to lose his home. He was waiting to decide voting based on home bailout.
So…are all votes for sale? Is all voting just an excercise in “I want to get mine”. Is it a matter of degree, or is each one of us for sale?
I also want to provide for my children. I also want healthcare and retirement. But at what cost?
I hope I don’t have a price. I know it’s not 30 pieces of silver.
In reference to my post on #710:
The guy has already changed the chart reporting poll results to show ONLY the poll WITH-LEANERS…. ALL respect lost for the Rasmussen report polls!
deep south….
well one thing for sure we can see is that the economy has helped obama and hurt mccain.. from that trend we could speculate that if the economy worsens obama is going to win..
mccain winning the debates would go a long way in helping him overcome his falling poll numbers because of the economy
another thing, the wild car could also be mccain unloading some damaging information about obama,that could really change things
This is who we MUST reach! The people we see everyday on the streets and in our business contacts.
http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-the-persuadables
Undecided voters not satisfied with both candidates
By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) — With Wall Street in turmoil and the economy in shambles, whichever presidential candidate convinces a swath of persuadable voters that he gets it — and can be trusted to lead the country back to fiscal stability — could well win the White House.
A recent AP-Yahoo! News poll found that 18 percent of likely voters are up for grabs — undecided or willing to change their minds — little more than five weeks before Americans choose between Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain.
A large chunk of these voters say they are hurting on a personal level from the country’s economic woes, and, like everyone else, they say the economy is the top issue. Most haven’t decided who would best solve their problems as president; neither candidate has an advantage on handling the economy.
Simply put: Most are looking for a better life and a leader to help make it happen — and most haven’t found what they seek in Obama or McCain.
“There’s a person out there who could inspire change, mend the ways of the system and start fixing the economy, but I don’t think these two are up to the task,” said Rick Villiere, 39, of Saratoga Springs, N.Y. A married father of two children under age 3, he feels the tug of economic turmoil and says: “It’s impossible to get ahead.”
It’s difficult simply to stay afloat, says Cristy Jackson, 29, of Hazel Green, Ala. She’s on disability, her husband was laid off and they have two kids. “I don’t have faith in anyone on the economy,” she says, adding that neither Obama — “not experienced enough” — nor McCain — “he doesn’t care about people like me who are not even middle class” — is likely to help her family.
Tough times, tough crowd………
Screw ‘em. Let them fail. They are trying to sneak in bad student loans, car loans, and credit card debt into it.
I live responsibly and I don’t want to pay for it.
I called and told them NO BAILOUTS. Not now. Not ever.
The FED’s bail out of AIG is unusual in that AIG is not a bank, and the FED is usually an entity that loans money to banks to relend.
This crossover is a good thing because AIG is a huge investor. They manage pension funds, 401K funds, many kinds of insurance, and are heavily invested in a variety of things, including real estate loans. If someone does not give these people a loan, many things will very quickly deteriorate. The FED is doing this to keep all those other things funded by AIG and in cooperation with AIG from going broke. This is a loan. It is not a gift. And it has strings attached. The FED has the right to audit, and the right to pull the funds at any time if they find funny stuff.
All of this panic talk is just that: Panic Talk. We need to sit back and take a deep breath, and try to understand the importance of allowing the means we already have in place to stabilize the economy in this way. They could have done it without any fanfare, and have done it a few times with banks without fanfare or the public’s knowledge. The fact that AIG is not the regular entity that they work with, and the fact that the FED wants public pressure on AIG to comply with the terms of the loan, are the significant features of this transaction.
If this is any indication from my home town newspaper in New Hampshire :
HIGHLIGHTS
Low Voter Turnout for Primary
AMHERST – There are 8,347 registered voters in Amherst. At the New Hampshire state primary held on September 9th, 1,519 voters (18%) went to the polls. 530 Democratic ballots and 989 Republican ballots
polls in virginia this morning as reported by our local news has McCain leading Obama for the first time in this state by 3 points. The polls do not reflect the facts on the ground, remember that. Just look at the size of the crowds Obama/Biden, McCain/Palin. That should be a good indicator of what is REALLY going on. I heard someone predict before the conventions that if Obama started falling in the polls, the MSM driven polls would mysteriously put him back in the lead. Also, I am not trying to remind everyone what happened in ’04, but exit polling on election day showed Kerry having a huge win….that didn’t happen.
henrietta…
“All of this panic talk is just that: Panic Talk. We need to sit back and take a deep breath”
you must be sitting pretty good there economically with your cool calm reaction to a collapsing economy, there are millions of other people out there who are definitely in a “panic” about their lives and future
On Bill Ayers’ blog this morning:
“The end of an empire is messy at best
And this empire is ending
Like all the rest
Like the Spanish Armada adrift on the sea
We’re adrift in the land of the brave
And the home of the free
Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye.”
(When you have a minute…I haven’t finished it yet)
The Trojan Candidate
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/23/the-trojan-candidate/
Silence Dogood, I understand the sentiment. We can barely afford our bills and we probably wont get any help from the government ever.
BUT, we dont live exclusively as individuals. By accepting the rights of American citizenship we also must accept the responsibilities. Saying, “I wont help” is never an option when the country faces a crisis.
kat.. good article… i think the author is right on..
#724…do you have the link to Bill Ayers blog?????
kat in your hat. hogwash. not you (of course!), but Ayers.
That’s grandiose pseudo-eloquent eulogizing. Stirs the melancholy heartstrings of the of the intellectual elitists, nothing more.
723 osaka puma
There are some of us who have already lost everything. A home to the mortgage crisis, jobs, paid over 14k into a vehicle on to have the prinicple go down by 2k. People who were living responsibly. There is just so little to be afraid of now, when everything is gone already.
At least in my case.
Kat — is that bill ayers “THE” Bill Ayers?
new post up — feel free to repost.
take it upstairs!
Obama has deep pockets and everyone has their hands in them including wall street, it seems that this disaster came at a time when Obama was not polling well, this might sound cynical but my trust in these folks is at zero. John McCain may not be an eloquent speaker but he appears to be honest and he wants to reshape our nation and make it stable again. I think we are so focused on the economy that we are overlooking our biggest threat, these countries that are waiting for us to fail and to elect a weak president, BO.
#718 Notfollowinthepiedpiper,
McCain has to use Palin in those towns where the economy has eroded and in the swing states. Palin is the only candidate who can relate to everyday people.
Wasn’t “Everday People” a song? Palin should use it as her theme song.
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IMPORTANT:
I don’t know if this was posted yet, but there’s new info from NEWSMAX that Obama’s Harvard tuition may have been partially paid by al Mansour, who at the time was close to the royal family in Saudi Arabia. al Mansour was also a member of the radical Black Panther Party.
NEWSMAX has confirmation in the following article:
http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/obama_harvard_/2008/09/23/133199.html