Barack Obama said in March that he wanted to start a national conversation about race. I think he was lying, since six months later we’re still waiting, but whatever. Obama has never shown himself to be a leader in any, you know, sense of the word “leader,” so we might as well give up on him ever starting the conversation. Early this morning in comments we started talking about Obama’s possible Islamist sympathies, his connections to radical thinkers and activists, and liberal white guilt. Kat in Your Hat made some excellent and thought-provoking points about why, rumors and innuendo aside, it really DOES matter where Obama’s sympathies lie, and why it really DOES matter if Black Liberation Theology (BLT) is a racially incendiary and dangerous system of thought and belief.
I’ve been troubled the last week or so by what I see as a coordinated and strategic attempt on the part of the Obama Movement to start framing this election in terms of race. Donna Brazile said recently that if Obama loses it will be because Americans aren’t ready for a black president. I take what she says with a Gibraltar-sized grain of salt, but then many other Obama talking heads started making extremely similar statements. Biden is using the “not ready for a black president” talking point, as are congressional Democrats stumping for Obama in swing states. A sketchy poll was released Friday claiming that up to a third of American voters say race plays a (negative) factor in their voting choice. The timing and provenance of this poll is questionable, to say the least.
Kat in Your Hat used the term “white guilt libbers” to describe the phenomenon of middle class and upper middle class white people who embrace the DIALECTIC of “Racism in America is Our Great Scourge,” and who devote hours of DISCUSSION to the theoretical logic and validity of BLT while at the same time always keeping ACTUAL BLACK PEOPLE at long-arm’s length. These are white people who, according to me (and other very smart people, 
), claim that liberal guilt motivates many of Obama’s white voters to support him. They are the products of socially liberal upbringings in safe, white neighborhoods and suburbs — people who learned about racism in classrooms and books, not in city parks, subways, and streets. White guilt libbers send their children to private schools, move to safe suburbs when their kids reach school age, and admire the socially egalitarian societies of countries with explicitly racist immigration policies, like Sweden and Norway. These are people who would not DREAM of parking their Priuses or their Volvos on Talbot Avenue in Dorchester and taking the golden retriever for a walk in Franklin Field, but who scream “racist,” at white voters who ACTUALLY LIVE in Gary, Detroit, Indiana, Cleveland, Baltimore, and Atlanta and don’t support Obama.
White guilt libbers believe every black man with a microphone is an heir to Martin Luther King Jr. and every working class or poor white person is an heir to Bob Ewell. Atticus Finch is the hero of every white guilt libber’s internal fantasy life — the man he thinks and hopes himself to be.
I claim that while Atticus Finch, a FICTIONAL character, is the hero of your typical white guilt libber Democrat, Franklin D. Roosevelt is the hero of your typical white working class Democrat. Not the man he or she secretly hopes and thinks they are, that would be silly — but the model for the leader they explicitly and yes, HOPEFULLY, are yearning to vote for.
So, Atticus Finch, a fictional character as impossibly idealized, one-dimensional, and unrealistic as Harriet Beecher Stowe’s Uncle Tom (HBS was the Harper Lee of the 19th Century don’t forget) in the corner for White Guilt Libbers, and FDR, a man as incomplete, complicated, and tragically flawed as any real live great person can be in the corner for working class white people. Hmmm, remind me again — exactly WHO are the members of the Reality Based Community??
Anyway, let’s do it ourselves. Let’s start a conversation about race and racism in America today. I know that thousands of people from all across the country are reading this blog and the comments here. Come out and share your thoughts, your questions, your worries, and your experience.
What IS racism in the United States today? Where and why does it persist? What is the OUTCOME in real terms, on real streets, in real public school classrooms, of Black Liberation Theology? Are you a racist? Can Asian people be racists? Can black people be racists? Are YOU ready for a black president? Are you black? Hispanic? Bi-racial? Multi? Native American? Is white privilege available for ALL white people or only for the well-off white people? Are you angry at Reverend Wright and his apologists in the so-called Reality Based Community (SCRBC)? Why? How do you defend yourself against the accusation that if you are not voting for Barack Obama you are obviously a racist? How can we redirect the anger and the hate on all sides so that we have a safer and more just society for us all?
Here are the comments that sparked the debate early today:
kat in your hat:
Yes, that is exactly what black liberation theology means.
I am personally very sick of white people thinking this is no big deal, to have a president who was indoctrinated by this belief for two decades.
It makes me sick.
There is no difference between a white supremacy church for 20 years, and this BLT church for 20 years.
White people can be so weak–it disgusts me, especially liberals. They refuse to get educated or they are so disengaged that they cannot recognize the seriousness of certain doctrines and I think it’s mainly because a lot of them are simply not culturally aware of other racial / ethnic movements, and if they are, a lot of them don’t take it seriously.
I mean what do they think the Days of Rage was about in the 60’s? It was highly racially motivated.
ANYway, if you want to learn more about black liberation theology, sit and take the damn time, to watch these three consecutive videos. Do it, people:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/29/the-christian-heresy-of-barack-and-michelle-obama/
Dr. Cone has explained his theology as follows:[2][3][4][5]
“Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community… . Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.”
It’s only fool white people who do not take anti-white black movements seriously who are clueless, and I think it’s a part of their false cultural position in society. They deem black racists as a non-threat…they think they are untouchable and it’s foolhardy.
murphy:
Kat in Your Hat. point taken. Perhaps he does sympathize with Islamic peoples and/or issues. I dont think that is treason nor should it preclude someone from eligibility from the presidency.
On the on the other hand, I dont give a damn what Muslims take sacred in terms of identifying one of “their own.” I believe in free will and the right to free agency. If Barack Obama says he’s a Christian, that he’s not a Muslim, and he practices for 20+ years in a Protestant church, well then he’s a Christian.
Look, the guy has less than 150 days’ experience in national office. He’s a panderer of the highest degree. He stands for nothing and no one but himself. He has no record of accomplishments or achievements. He is weak on understanding policy. He’s never run even a medium-sized organization. He pays women less than men. He oversaw and approved the sleaziest, cheatingest primary in living memory. He flip flops on policies that are of grave importance. He is condescending, flip, and rude. He’s never had a full-time job. He also lies and/or obfuscates about his background.
I prefer to focus on the first 10 or 20 major problems with him as a candidate. The murky background is there, no doubt. But that is mere speculation until someone comes up with some evidence. This is not a smear site.
Besides, the first 10 or 20 problems are MORE THAN ENOUGH reason to work against his election.
Howling Pumas away with reckless accusations of Obot! simply because they are defending principles of debate is EXACTLY what turned the Blogger BOIZ into giant echo chambers of boring, boring, ugliness and gutter talk. It also made them stupid and lazy.
We’re not like that.
Attack Obama on the issues, the documented history, and the facts — not on rumor, innuendo, and subjective opinion.
kat in your hat:
Problem is, he could be our president, so it does matter who he sympathizes with. It simply does. Israel is our ally. Obviously Iran is not, and they fund HAMAS and Hezbollah. Problem is not so much religion, it is the clues to such background and those he has hired (Like Samantha “Hillary is a monster” foreign policy advisor who claimed that genocide of Israelis would free Palestine.)
He has a sketchy background.
If we throw that away..all gone, and make him a run of the mill boring white guy from middle America who is a boring Catholic or basic Christian, you are right, he still is extremely inexperienced, but what the MSM will not report, (and this does benefit Obama’s credentials…) is that he was a chairperson on William Ayers’ Chicago Annenberg Foundation, a $160 million dollar education reform project, and Obama had no background in education (obviously, just law), and long story short: it failed. But does the media cover it? No. Because Bill Ayers hates USA ideology and because Bill Clinton afforded the foundation their monies. So it is hush hush. Bill Ayers–the bomber–omg, do not report. But what it shows is that Obama lost millions of dollars and the only thing he ever ran, failed.
What evidence are you speaking of? Obama’s natural Muslim background is well known, and not a secret. He writes of it in his book. Black Liberation Theology? Pastor Wright has tirelessly tried to explain it on numerous TV appearances and it’s all on youtube.
What is a smear?
I can prove everything I say.
If you think I am going off of rumor, challenge me, and I’ll show you why I claim as such.
murphy:
Kat in Your Hat, I like what you are saying. I think that is a provocative but compelling argument.
I tend to think that if you are right — and I think you are — then the reason some parts of white society turn a blind eye or pretend BLT is not a threat is because of white privilege. From the safe distance of the PBS screening room (I’m talking to you Bill Moyers) or the Ivy League classroom (I’m talking to you Whole Foods Nation), or the safe urban suburbs (I’m talking to you Limousine Liberals), black rage and hatred of white people can be treated as a “topic of conversation and debate” or a “philosophically and theoretically appropriate response to hegemony” rather than a scary frickin way to have to walk to the subway, or a surefire way to destroy the quality of public school education.
So, if you’re a member of Whole Foods Nation, BLT is dialectically kosher and a FUN TOPIC TO DISCUSS ON LATE NIGHT BLOGS!
But if you’re a working class white person in Gary, Indiana it colors most every aspect of your day-to-day life with intimidation, discouragement, and fear.
Anyway, I hear you. How do we talk about this honestly, in the way you did??
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Reposted from downthread because you moved:
I have been lurking for awhile, but am stepping out to chime in on the racist claim.
I have been called a racist, as I am sure many of you have also been called. I am not.
My youngest son is adopted and is of mixed race. AA, white and Japanese. He is partial to AA because he is an excellent athlete, and most are AA.
We live in white suburbia outside of Philly. I chose to attend church in an AA area of the inner city so I could teach my children that their lives were not how most of humanity lives. My church was also mixed, in the Germantown area of Philly. The area is violent, drug infested and filled with the homeless. My church does outreach for all. I loved being involved and having my children involved in soup kitchens and neighborhood projects.
However, a strange thing happened when I switched allegiance from Dem to McCain. My church which included everyone: drug addicts, felons, homeless, and mental patients suddenly had no room me.
And now I am a racist.
Fine, keep calling me a racist. Keep calling everyone a racist. Keep blaming everyone for losing in the polls.
And the more you yell racist, the more people you will lose.
third Yea
I guess everyone is watching the view for Bill Clinton.
Now I have to be a good PUMA and go back and read what Murphy has to say.
Please Help By Donating To George Obama Compassion Fund
by Dinesh D’Souza
Excerpt: My modest campaign to assist George Obama has been coming nicely. Sean Hannity mentioned it on his show on the Fox News Channel, and I appeared on a handful of radio shows to talk about the idea. Interestingly the George Obama Compassion Fund was reported on by Kenya’s leading newspaper “The Nation.” So far I have received more than $1,000 in small contributions. With my kickoff contribution of $1,000, that’s upwards of $2,000 for George Obama.
This is not a huge sum, but I specifically asked people to send gifts of $5, $10 and $25. The reason is that even a relatively modest sum by American standards is a considerable sum by Kenyan standards. George Obama has said that he is living on a dollar a month. This seems an impossible sum to survive on, so I checked the poverty line in Kenya. According to United Nations estimates, it’s around $100 a year. By this measure, our little fund has provided for George for 20 years.
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
wow mlhath, quite a story.
All, try to stay on topic, at least for a little while! I think this is an important discussion to have.
I hope many lurkers will share their thoughts and opinions this morning.
Top five?
Good Morning PUMAs.
What a hot topic.
great article op top murphy.. you hit the nail right on the head..
TexasTigress done
#296 KarenWI on 09.22.08 at 11:11 am
Ok, CNN is getting really down and dirty now…. this is disgusting and I do not believe Palin would be involved in this!
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/21/palin.rape.exams/index.html
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This is an old smear that has already been disproven. The links were posted yesterday to the real story.
In summary, some law was on the books when Sarah took office about insurances covering rape kits. Apparently when possible Wasilla hospitals charged rape kits to medicaid whenever possible due to budget problems. The law was removed from the books on 2000. It seems that Sarah ignored the law when she became mayor because it was irrelevant.
In an interview (which I can’t find the link to, but other PUMA’s have read it) a spokesman for the police said no victim has ever been charged.
CNN is pathetic, revolting and will constantly bring this up, along with other disproven smears because they have nothing else.
Osaka Puma:
yes, it was an epiphany. I have had several lately. There were a number of entities that I have grown up with in the complete assurance that they and I were on the side of Right.
#1: the church: I lost that community when I chose McCain.
#2 the Dem party: I don’t think I need comment.
#3 feminists: I marched for the ERA, I marched for RvW. And now I find out I am once again relegatged to 2nd class because I do not support Obama.
This has been a hard year for my idealism.
deep south…
see what were up against??
the DNC and obama campaign have become monsters with a blood lust for power..
The Irish joke McCain told this morning at the Irish town hall meeting in PA was pretty cute. Murphy – did you hear it?
mlhath, real activism, the kind that actually changes things, rather than the kind that fills up liberal hope balloons with hot air, is born from sincere despair and disillusionment.
so, take heart!
I hate saying this because responding to smears just give them more air time, BUT I think Sarah needs to respond to the Rape Kit smear. It is so horrible and it seems that the average person on any side is bothered more by this smear than any other. Too many people don’t research the facts.
deep south..
speaking about how low those media backsliders have gone ..the Times assignment editor threw out suggestions of investigating if todd palin had sexual relations with his daughters..
see how low they are..how fu..ing evil and rotten they are.. and you can bet the obama people just love it!!
Reposting: did not mean to put this downstairs.
McCain in Scranton PA: The third question he took was from a well-spoken woman who first thanked McCain for picking Gov. Palin. Then she turned to the rear of the room (where the press are located) and called out shame upon you for your attack of Palin. She followed up this comment by asking where are the 30 investigators into Ayers.
A wonderful moment; hope there’s a video that can be posted everywhere.
BTW: McCain said Palin is tough enough to stand up to what she’s been facing.
PS: All this is paraphrased, as best as I can remember.
:^)
GREAT ENTRY¡¡¡
ok pumas…first i just logged on…so am i the only black in the room right now?
Osaka, I think that actually works in McCain/Palin’s favor. The sickening accusations of Todd with pedaphilia and incest along with the idea that Trig isn’t Sarah’s son, but actually her daughter Bristol’s son is so outrageous it makes Obama and the Bots look like paranoid dillusional freaks.
south…
thats the strategy the obama campaign is using.. non stop relentless smears to wear down and keep the mccain campaign tied up in refuting such charges..
mccain better wake up and smell the coffee..no more of this silly “gentlemans agreement” crap..
hes up against thugs and he better start unloading some serious counter punches on obama or hes toast..
Theamericanway…..WOW!
murphy:
Thanks. I am certainly in the sincere disillusionment catgeory, and trying desperatly to stay away from despair. This site and RD help immensely.
#2 mlhath…I am reading your post and I truly wish I had some insight to offer you.
I have been enraged at how Obama has used race to his advantage and has divided people in this country. I have never taken race as an issue in this election. Why ? I tan darker than the color Obama is !
But I missed something.
It’s not about skin color or descent at all. It’s about hate and the perceptions and categorizations of groups of people. I am now seeing race as a tool to be used t manipulate deep rooted guilt. It makes being hateful easier and more justifiable when you can put people in silos. Where I am stuck is where is the root of this hate. Is it Whole Foods vs. Price Rite ?
Does hating another group a way to differentiate yourself ar perhaps a way to define a group. TLook at Trinity Church and how they define themselves.
Examples of silos…whites/blacks are ‘_____” because of “_____”. Asians are “_____” because of ______” Muslims are just plain bad. Women …well, they should stay home and take of the kids ! It just doesn’t end. I could go on for pages !
Again, I have no wisdom here. Only a wish to understand this.
All I can mlhath say is that I applaud your choices.
Murphy, I also applaud your choice of post. We are the ones that no one expected and this could be the topic that no one expected we would take on.
osaka, haven’t you noticed the RNC has sat back quietly pushing little soft video attacks on BO? That is not their style. The Republicans come out shooting hard and heavy. They bust thru and get down and dirty if necessary.
I think they have something so big it is going to throw this whole election for a loop. I think they are waiting for the right time to announce something HUGE!
Ario! great to see you. you may very well be the only black person in the room right now. A position many black people find themselves in when they have the temerity to try to freely associate in “white society.”
what do you think of black liberation theology? Do you have a churched background? What would your grandmother think of Obama? Your great grandmother?
ok here is my issue with Obama and why i would never vote for him…and believe as a yng black man i have to defend this position all the damn time…lol
1. He said he was post racial…and that turned out to be a lie. He and the democratic party has pulled the race and sex cards soooo many times…which by the way no one should be surprised considering the history of the democratic party…
2. My father is a minister…and that church Obama attended should never be giving a pass. Its one thing to go around with that belief in theology its another to try to govern millions of ppl. That issue right there was the biggest reason I turned my back on Obama.
3. The guilty white libvbers are absolutely crazy if they think he has their best interests at heart. We have a term for these kinda black guys in our community…they are called Slick Ricks! Very slick, articulate and handsome…but are very cunning and deceiving. Most blks recognize Obama as a Slick Rick…but most dont care and will vote anyway. And thats just as racist as the flip side.
Trish
Shouldn’t Jack Layton’s name be added along with Harper and Dion?
Murphy…
Hey!!!!
I think most black people at some time or another read and discover this type of theology. For me it was when I was in college and my frat invited the Nation of Islam to do a speech. As a 18 yr old I thought it was interesting, but not a real part of my life. Im not in the least bit intimidated by other races. Hell, part of my job has me travelling and already I have been to 9 countries this year. I think that theology is worthless in my comminuty…to be continued.
continued….
it basically keeps minorities in a position of weakness and the pockets of the poverty pimps full of cash.. Its a big scam and totally against Dr. Kings vision. Could u imagine Dr Rice or Powell in that church. Hence, the problem with Obama. He is a poverty pimp and I hate it. My grandmother and great grandmother would vote for him simply because most black families have a Slick Rick in it and they would not really find him weird or anything. The more politically astute like my father would rather be tossed in the tower than vote for obama.
Ario, I mostly lurk and quietly do the prowls and post from time to time, but wanted to let you know I find your posts very interesting and enlightening.
thanks deep
Everyone if afraid to challenge Obama or even make jokes about him. The reason are the paid Obama-bloggers who inundate blogs and the media whenever they perceive a slight to the messiah.
On another note; It is understandable if anyone thinks that Obama is a Muslim. If anyone watched Stephanopoulis a couple of weeks ago when he interviewed Obama , Obama actually said “my Muslim faith”. Georgie obviously ( being a most effective WORM ) corrected him to say, “you mean your Christian faith”. At the time I was thinking that Obama’s comment would show up in a Repugs ad. Of course we all know that Obimbo was just misspeaking AGAIN, like when he said we had 57 states. yep . . . elequent silver-tongued orator that he is.
First, I would like to say God Bless the U.S.A.!!!
Second, I would like to say, thank you Murphy for addressing this issue about race.
Ario is black, I am brown, we’re representing two groups of in this country; later today we’ll see more who of different race of people giving their opinion on this issue.
I agree with everything Ario have stated. There’s one thing NObama cannot understand and the Democratic Party in spite of trying their best to divide this country based on race, they’ve actually united the American people to go against them. I was called racist by my OWN doctor (he’s white) because I do not support NObama. I said to him right away; ” I don’t have your white guilt, I look at character and track record not the color of his skin, you look at his color, you’re the one who is racist.” Suffice to say, I now have a new doctor.
15 DeepSouth I believe she already talked about this with Hannity.
Why are we slamming Palin anyways? Geez…….
this reporter jessica yellin is the one CNN sent to Alaska to bring up dirt.
the problem with obama being a “slick rick” in the black community is something they have to work out and reject..
in the end black nationalism will only provoke and create other nationalisms in response..and before you know it you have the complete balkanization of the USA based on racial identity politics.. if obama loses this election look for an exponential growth in converts to black nationalism and the further fracturing of the country..
mlhath:
I can relate to your post, I grew in Philly, am AA, and will not be voting for Senator Obama. My decision has been based on his character, his close friends, and the irresponsbile manner in which the democratic party has handled this election season. I cringe when I hear the word race today, I was not of age to know the true meaning of Dr King’s challenge but I am old enough now to know when race is being used to one’s advantage. I have been scolded, called not a true AA and other derogatory remarks by my close friends and family members. I am insulted by this campaign; I am ready to vote for an AA president that has the needs of the nation above their own desires and of those who has them in their pockets. It is all a chess game being played with our abilty to see through the smoke screen; the investment market almost crashed at the time when Obama was not polling high, remember wall street is for Obama. This week it is the race card, let’s play this game fairly and poll the # of AA’s that are not voting for Senator M. He wants to win at any cost and if that means tearing apart Dr. King’s legacy he will do just that–shameful!
Reposting on the BERG v OBAMA lawsuit because someone asked downstairs last night and I could not put up the answer. This is from an email Mr. Berg sent yesterday:
“In any lawsuit the Defendants are given time to Answer, they are entitled to be heard. Mr. Obama and the DNC’s Answers to the lawsuit are due on or before September 24, 2008. If they fail, then I will seek a Default against them and request the Injunction and Declaratory Relief I have asked for in the lawsuit.
No, the Court is not stalling the suit. All cases must follow the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. There are avenues if the Defendants fail to respond, answer or defend the action.
Nothing is signed by the Court until the Defendants and/or Plaintiffs have a chance to respond, which there is only so much time allowed for the responses. The lawsuit is 20 days, the Motions are typically 14 days. The Court will then typicall set the matter for a hearing or Conference, if a party has requested such. After said answers, if any, and a conference and/or hearing, the Judge then makes their rulings.
Thank you for your email. Please keep up the great job and continue spreading the word. Together we can make a difference!
Phil
Philip J. Berg, Esquire
obamacrimes.com ” note his site url.
@24 ctkey
I appreciate your support.
Clinton on the VIEW was VERY HONEST! HE even said that YES women who supported Hillary would NOW go to McCain and Palin! He even gave examples! He sure did not give Obama any glowing endorsement! HA HA HA….ONCE again we will see what the DNC brought on themselves! He even said Hillary got the POPULAR vote, and it was obvious on his face that HILLARY will run in 2012~! He was adamant that HILLARY did NOT want the VP slot! I am so HAPPY for this revelation! HILLARY 2012…..SORRY OBAMA! He said he thinks Obama might win but if he doesn’t he will be surprised! Bill thought Al GORE would win, but he is obviously distancing himself from the Obama camp, he said MCCAIN is ALSO ready to BE PRESIDENT! HE is most assuredly remaining NEUTRAL!
#40 Pretjene
#27 Ario….Thanks for your insight. I have worked in mental health for many years. BO as you call him a “Slick Rick” says it all. He cares only about himself…and is not for the people. The fact that he does not even help his brother in Kenya tells us so much! My fear is that he is so consumed with wanting power (alongside the DNC) and feeding his ego….that out country’s needs will not be met…How can he? He has not have a clue how to meet anyone’s needs but his own!
FOX said BO has a very “light” crowd for his speech today!! Guess they couldn’t dig up a concert or festival!
the slick ricks are not going anywhere soon….
the best thing to do is marginalize them and not let them ever get the chance to be a presidential nominee…
it is a farce if the democrats think obama stands a chance to win..
my fear and disgust is what im hearing today…that if he doesnt win its due to race…no its due to too much crazy left liberalism…too many shady associates…to much double talk…and no experience. i just pray that there is not riot once he looses.
#37 tatepuma
It is very sad. And disheartening. We just need to fight that much harder.
sorry typos…typing to fast!
smallest crowd says fox reporter for obama in green bay since start of campaign
Post #40: Thanks for the rundown. I don’t watch The View. I love Bill though.
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The race issue.
I am an AMERICAN. My family history is Native American, European and Greek.
The race is issue is such a hard topic to talk about.
People please just be open-minded when talking about this. We do not have to see eye to eye.
Ario, I agree with you whole heartedly!!!
40 Pretjene – how did the women on the view react to Bill Clinton’s answers?
ario they are planting seeds to scare people to vote for him. he did it in primarys. how we got here. bring it on better now than if he was in power.
“Slick Rick” . . . I like that.
Comments are being made in the Press that there are some who won’t vote for Obama because he is Black ( which he isn’t but that’s another story ). There are probably an equal number of people voting for him just for that reason. Also Brazile et al are getting ready to blame Obama’s loss ( assuming that he loses ) on Racism. I heard on a news channel ( don’t remember which one ) that Obama has 9 thousand lawyers ready to challenge votes and the voting process. Fasten your seat belts . . . it’s going to be a bumpy ride.
I was actually quite excited that we had such a commection of Dem candidates this year; a black/white biracial, a hispanic/white bicultural, and a woman. Of course by the time everything played out it was obvious that the Dems were as corrupt or maybe even more so that the Repugs.
We need a 3rd and maybe a 4th Party. We need to force political parties to form coalition givernments. And we need term limits for members of Congress.
Hmmmmmm, how would one evaluate how long Obama has served in the Senate, by when he was elected or by the number of days he actually showed up for work?
47 jane-pa
Also, how can the Congress keep taking “leaves of absence?” They do not plan on returning until after Elections. This keeps B. Hussein from voting – think about it!!
jane-pa… maybe obama couldnt afford a “rent a mob” this time..
#30 Ario
You’re right, it is the Democratic Party trying their best to put us minorities under their thumb or to be blunt enslave us. Hellsbells! People like Senator Byrd (was KKK member) putting minorities down by dangling us a carrot thru “entitlement”. If we chop, slice, grind to a pulp what the Democratic Party stands for when it comes to minorities; our purpose is to serve as their pawn every election season, they’re pandering to us, they wanted our votes. My Auntie living in Chicago, marched during the civil rights movement with MLK is a Republican, MLK was a Republican.
the surprising thing about the guilty white crowd…is that they are sooo gullible…lol
its as if they have never heard a goos moving speech…hell all u have to do is go to a black church and they would get that fluttery tear jerking feeling everytime…along with choirs and even food afterwards.
for me, in the beginning, gender trumps race, it’s that basic. if we addressed the issues of sexism and misogyny and the incredible self-loathing of all women as we experience it every day of our lives, a constructive and honest discussion of race would ensue. White liberals supporting Obama and polishing their “openmindedness” with accusations of racism at those who don’t support him expose their true colors with their self-righteous, unbridled and despicable attacks on Palin. In this culture, we are inured to sexism because it’s everywhere: music, movies, pulpits, media, family histories, education, and so on. It permeates our lives, it aggresses on us and our landscape, we take it home at night and wake up with it in the world every day.
If only SNL would do a skit about white guilt voters wringing their collective hands/consciousness-es.
obama is black…no other color but black. he might even be darker than me…lol
madjauna..im not quite sure youre right on that gender trumps race.. just ask any non white woman what they think of white women sometimes..
asian
so true…dont even get me started on Sen. Byrd!
McCain out spending Obama lol
I really feel that fear of racial riots is the tactic the Dem’s are using now to make people vote for BO. Nothing else seemed to work, so I feel this is there last stand.
I personally think it is disgusting that the Dem’s are now playing the race card. Why is no one saying that if McCain loses it might be because of the race card since over 90% of AA’s are voting for BO?
The reason I am not voting for BO is simple – and it has NOTHING to do with race!!!
The problem with this campaign is that Obama, the consummate whiner, has been gunning for the McCain camp to utter some kind of racially insensitive remark. When that was not forthcoming, Obama went out and played the race card, making speeches about what McCain was GOING to do.
Even when that tactic was rightly exposed for what it was, it did not stop Obama’s minions from carrying the flag. Race has been injected into this Presidential campaign as a way for Obama to harvest racial animus and majority guilt for his own benefit. Obama’s tactics are light years away from the philosophy of MLK, who dreamed of a world where a man was judged by his character rather than the color of his skin.
In Obama’s case, the last thing he wants the voting public to do is to judge him based on his character. So he needs to steer people away from MLK’s ideal, and pander to the darker side of American history if he is to have any chance of winning the election.
The NYT today published an editorial which epitomizes this approach. They have branded McCain’s use of the term “disrespectful” as a racist ploy:
“In what is probably a harbinger of things to come, the McCain campaign has already run a commercial that carries a similar intimation, accusing Mr. Obama of being “disrespectful” to Sarah Palin. The argument is muted, but its racial antecedents are very clear. ”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/opinion/22observer.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
“Very clear”? The only thing that is “very clear” is the outrageous attempt to shoehorn race into a campaign where it does not exist.
And it is an outrage. Obama cannot win by focusing on his character, his record, or even the issues. He is an abysmal candidate without the help of a teleprompter and legions of handlers. He must therefore employ a strategy that villifies his opponent and keeps the focus off of himself. And what better way to do that then to pick open the sores of racism of this nation to release the ooze of hatred and guilt.
I cannot think of any elected official who is more unfit for the position of President of the US.
Ario,
Do you think the polls stating roughly 95% of AA voters are going for BO could be false? Couldn’t it be a sort of reverse Bradley effect, one in which AA’s want to vote against BO but are afraid to say anything for fear of seeming to abandon the team?
My grandparents were born in Italy. My parents tell me stories about the prejudice that they experienced when they were young. Although my parents struggled with prejudice they taught us to accept everyone as equal regardless of race or ethnicity. I guess I for one never looked at BO as being anything but an American. After looking deeper however, his lack of substance and con artist tactics are the real issues I have with him. I have also been called a racist for not voting for BO and it infuriates me!
My fellow PUMAs:
Mr. Berg had the courtesy to answer some of my inquiries regarding the lawsuit against Obama.
I’m posting his comments verbatim.
(Hi Cecilia,
In any lawsuit the Defendants are given time to Answer and/or Respond to the allegations. In this case, Mr. Obama and the DNC have twenty (20) days. Mr. Obama and the DNC’s Answer’s or Responses are due on or before September 24, 2008.
As for any Motion filed in a case, again the Defendants have time to Answer, Respond or Oppose the Request. In our Motion for Expedited Discovery, Extensive Discvoery, Depositions, Special Master, etc., the Defendants have fourteen (14) days from the date of Service to respond.
If in both cases no Answer, Response or Opposition is filed by the Cut-off dates, I will move the Court for a default against them.
Phil)
Let’s keep an eye for Wednsday.
He can use some donations for the cause.
well hopefully slick rick is intelligent to know that if it comes to riots he Must stand up and quelch it immediately…
its curious to me that Obama thinks he is fit to be president…its amazing!
kevin…
absolutely! what black person besides yours truly…lol and a few will say no they arent voting for slick rick?
grizzly…
yea thats what slick ricks do…try to create a smoke screen in front of the obvious…lol Obviously Mccain hasnt pulled a card to Obamas dismay…so now Obama is playing to the [assions of people…even when its all a lie…sorta like that drunk who loses his job and Rick is telling him its the mans fault…even tho…if the drunk never got drunk and missed work he would be still employed.
Yes, there are people of all races that hate another for being what God chose them to be born as. When hate turns into action…we are doomed as a nation!
Only when people stand up for the truth…thank you kat in your hat and learn it is not about “race” but the destruction of our great nation, then we will be united as Americans no matter what race we are!
I had worked for years in the AA community and they said to me that they could care less if I was white, AA or purple as long as my words and actions were true.
I pray that those that already know he is a “Slick Rick” will choose to not be used by a man that has only one goal…destoy America from the inside!
My dad once gave me the best advice for voting…vote for the one that is not using fear or recent events that when you look deeper, they actually created.
The more I learn about *61, the more I can shout, loud and clear
NO WAY NO HOW NOBAMA…NOW OR EVER!
#56 madjuana
Right on, sistah!
Ario – I believe there are many that won’t vote for B. Hussein – our “silent voters”. They’re quite capable of figuring out the landscape. I believe that many of the Martin Luther King followers know better and Hussein doesn’t represent their values. In fact, he doesn’t represent too many of anyone’s values except for his own agenda. I get really angry when the race card is thrown out again! I’m going to let CNN know – again – they are barking up the wrong tree. They worked on Palin and it backfired!!
#66 bellecat
Can you send me Phil Berg’s email
MamaPumaMass@aol.com
thanks
Mama
#65 BarbNOBO
I know what you mean, I’ve been called racist for the same thing you’ve experienced. It’s so ironic, here I am with friends from all colors and labeled racist because of NObama. My doctor even told me right on my face I should support NObama because I’m a minority, imagine that crap! He’s suffering from white guilt, that’s all I can think of!
People who usually label another human being as racist, is actually exposing their own racism.
i agree gypsy!
Hi,
I post comments on MSM websites to state my valid reasons why I won’t vote for Obama. My reasons are backed up by Obama’s actual actions not his words. I find valid sources all over the web. I won’t take hearsay or opinion.
In return, I am called a Neo-Con racist. Because they can’t rationally debate what I post, they resort to name-calling.
Two weeks ago, I noticed the race-card talking points by MSM journalists who are Obama surrogates. I posted one of my responses to the article here yesterday. I cited Obama’s lack of experience, unremarkable record, controversial ties, flip-flops and poor judgment. I could have also cited his controversial earmark requests, some controversial proposed legislation, his controversial bundlers, his blind trust, his diplomatic bungling in Kenya in 2006, etc.
My problems with the Obama candidacy has nothing to do with race.
I said something to the effect, in respone to that article, that:
“As somebody who has voted many times for qualified black candidates, It will not be because of the color of Obama’s skin, but because of the lack of content in his character.”
Racism is thrown around when things don’t seem to be going the right way in the campaign. I think the DNC fell into the “racism” argument during the primaries when time and again it was stated how could they not give the nomination to BO and arouse the dander of their African American base – meanwhile throwing 18 million non-Obama voters under the bus.
I’m not voting for BO because I am a racist – I’m against GREEN – green as in inexperienced, unqualified, not tested – too green to hold the job of President of the US. I became anti-Green these past 8 years when another GREEN candidate was elected – and look what has happened under our “green” Bush years. I’m not quite sure what color experienced is but I’m pro-that color – no more green for me – if that makes me racist then so be it.
barnobo..
..youre not the first italian american ive heard say that same thing about italians being discriminated in the past..
some sicilians are very dark and almost black and most sicilians from what i have heard have black blood from an earlier african conquest of sicily..
I think we should call NObama by another name SLICK RICK GIG, because that’s what NObama is all about a GIG.
71 MamaPuma Oh, Oh TexasTigress and Dances – Mama’s lurking – you better be good.
Hello MamaPuma – hope you are doing well!
I will propose that race will not cease to be a factor in any situation until we stop talking about race being a factor in EVERY situation .
I will also state that it is the , inadvertent , product of the uber liberal media’s attempt to project their own ‘ I’m not a racist ‘ personae that has caused this MLK boomerang effect that we are seeing today .
When we discuss race relations today , as opposed to those in the 50s and 60s , we haven’t moved forward as much as we have moved laterally . When MLK said in his Dream that we should judge people ‘ By the content of their character and not on the color of their skin ” He meant that we have to get past the color of someone’s skin when evaluating whether a person is good or bad . He never asked us to overlook someone’s character and base a person’s merit simply because that person is a minority .
To the media and the over educated , over insulated white apologists who live in shame of what their forefathers may have done , supporting Barack Obama is their way of saying , ” I’m not a racist – see I support a Black man ” .
We were raised to despise racism , and the worst thing that you could ever be called was ‘racist” . It meant you were ignorant and filled with hate and probably inbred and missing teeth , and being a racist IS horrible , but when you dismiss ‘ the content of their character’ as a non-issue and support someone simply because they are a minority , you are STILL being racist .
America IS past due for a Black president , and it’s past due for a Woman president , and a Black Woman President , but to fill our social voids with an unqualified , corrupt , disingenuous candidate in an attempt to apologize for the failures of our fathers is contradictory to moving forward in race , sex, and HUMAN relations in this country .
bozzo race isue is a coverup for all that is behind him: corruptions, antiamericanism,cvembellishment, media´s sequestration. legislative records, born and bred into communism from the first milk
Like many of you know, I am Latina, from Puerto Rico. When I moved to Florida back in 1988 it was when I first time I experienced racism. I went to buy a car in a rural area in central Florida and I could not believe the looks and the body language I experienced going to McDonald to buy food, I felt like I was in another planet. I see it at work, not only with other races, just because I am a women, they make you feel you are less, or that you cannot make it! Isn’t why we are here? It is not only where you come from or the color of your skin, is that some people think they are superior to others for different reasons. In PR we have people of all colors and I never looked at anybody over my shoulder, and I will never do that. Obama talks down to whomever he pleases, Hillary, McCain, Palin, Bush, President Clinton, people from small towns that cling to guns and religion, I can’t never vote for him, he even walks like he is all that! Arrogant stuck up!
Indy
That is exactly what I am trying to accomplish with the puma-facts website. I have been trying to find away to tackle the racism issue. In this election I am seeing far more racism against white people being stereo typed as gun toting, bible clutching, kkk members. The problem I see is how to address all of the racism without being perceived as a racist.
Puma Pals,
I, too, have been called a racist. Just recently someone who had never met me before and who knows nothing about me hurled that odious epithet because I self-identified as a PUMA.
I responded by saying that calling someone a racist is a very ineffective marketing strategy. Unfounded accusations don’t win the hearts and minds
Think of that racist accusation as the very last round of ammunition the losing side has. They are utterly baffled that their god is not winning and are throwing all they have left.
Senator Obama has not contributed much if anything to his AA constituents (please set me straight if I am wrong on this) yet he uses his mixed race skin color to inflame and divide. That is shameful opportunism which will cost him the election.
I live in California which has a very high percentage of those with Hispanic/Latino and Asian ancestry. I know no Hispanic/Latino or Asian-American politician crying “racist” on the campaign trail.
Sexism towards females is vastly more prevalent and affects over half of the population of all ethnic backgrounds.
for a breakdown of our population:
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html
madazhel
Good morning PUMAs, I haven’t had time to read any more than Murphy’s top post and wow……..this could be one heck of a day on the blog.
I will just say for openers, that I work in a Masters Program at UC Berkeley that is all centered around Multicultural and Urban Education for middle and high school teachers. These are the Obama supporters that turn their backs on me when I try to tell them about the caucus fraud. I work in this environment 40 hours a week and have gotten into so many heated discussions that I have crawled back into my den at work and work behind the scenes to do prowls and take Obama down all I can.
No one has ever thought I was doing this because I am a racist, but they feel sorry for Obama because he is black. I live in the Bay Area that is up the whaaazzooo for him, just grateful the Democratic Convention wasn’t in my area or us PUMAs would have been pushed off the Golden Gate Bridge…pronto.
I guess for me…since I know that racism exists…I just ignore it. I mean there are many situations that Im in that I know I have to be the absolute best because of my color…and I dont really care. Life is not fair and nor will it ever be. Maybe Im lucky but I dont think my race has hendered me…the only major things that pop into mind comes from illegals and people who arent even American.
for one these awful Arab taxi cab drivers in dc that the govt needs to be watching closely and this awful italian restuarant that wouldnt hire me when i was in college because i was not italian…can u imagine…lol
…and bozzo is not the main architect of all this coup, he is just the visible face of all this framework
mamapuma:
You got mail!
My friends are all young, college-educated BO kool-aid drinkers. I know I can’t de-program them, so I don’t even try. I can’t let the racism crap go unanswered though- some of them have already brought up racism as a reason for the race being to close, and the best retort I’ve found is this:
“What percentage of the national vote do you think Colin Powell would receive?”
That flummoxes them, and they usually shut up and change the subject.
Gypsy…just wanted to let you know that no one was slamming Sarah. The idiot MSM bots keep bringing up the Rape Kit issue and Karen hadn’t heard that before so I was explaining why it was a BS smear that had already been disproven.
Osaka….”rent a mob” LOL
Everyone….. Great conversation!!
billie…
isnt berkely surrounded by a black community and there is very little interaction between the 2?
Once race is injected into even the most benign topic , the conversation takes on a whole new meaning .
Take this for example – Two guys , Joe and Fred are applying for good jobs . They both apply for 2 jobs and they each get hired . That’s cool , everybody in America wants a good job there is nothing divisive about it .
Then let me tell you that Fred did not get the first job he applied for because Joe is white and they gave the job to Joe ….. AND Joe did not get the first job he applied for because of affirmative action and the gave it to Fred ….
Do you see how the simple insertion of the ‘race factor ‘ changes the entire dialogue ?
Race cripples us . It doesn’t matter which side of the argument you are on , it is STILL an argument . This is what we have to get past ..
Ario, I like that term “poverty pimp” even though I usually cringe at the word pimp in most any context.
My objection to BLT is exactly in line with yours. It feeds on the despair of the discouraged and the disadvantaged, and in a most DESTRUCTIVE way. And dont forget, Rev Wright is a millionaire! Sorry, but I have a deep deep distrust of Millionaire Ministers — whether they be of the Rev Wright variety or the Jerry Falwell variety.
To what earthly purpose does it serve the single, struggling mothers of Southside Chicago to tell them that the white school teachers who teach their children are oppressors rather than simply second grade teachers?
To what earthly purpose does it serve the struggling, unemployed or underemployed men of Chicago to tell them that White People are to blame for black poverty?
“White People” are not to blame for black poverty in America anymore than “Black People” are to blame for poverty in Uganda. Rapacious, republican, greed-mongering corrupt politicians and CEO’s are to blame for poverty. Granted, more white men than black men are rapacious, republican, greed-mongering corrupt politicians and CEO’s, but that’s only in the USA. In Haiti, all the bad guys are black. In Kenya, all the bad guys are black.
Keeping the poor people down has been the priority of rich people since private property was invented — thousands and thousands of years and still going strong! from indonesia to indianapolis — darfur to jakarta to paris to nyc to chicago.
Rev Wright and people like him are part of the Keeping Poor People Down Machine.
I have lived in the deep south all my life and can’t tell you how many times I have heard this conversation about how AA’s are so mistreated. Their life looks pretty good to me. I have told my son he will have to work extra hard to get into college because he is a lowly white boy. No extra’s for him.
Just released by BBC:
Russian warships have set off for Venezuela for joint exercises unprecedented since the Cold War.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7628899.stm
kevin
if powell was running the race issue would not be nearly as prevalent as it is with obama…obama has no experience and so he uses the race card…with powell…there is absolutely nobody that would argue his experience…the major point with powell would be his iraq war issue…
oh which brings up an interesting point when i mention this to liberals…they say..” he was used by the bush adm…he was a token…bla bla bla” and I always respond…”you actually think powell is soooo stupid he would put himself in a postion to be seen as an absolute fool?” and “as a military man…does one actually think powell didnt want saddam gone?” so no i think race would be less important.
89 DeepSouth Oh, sorry, I knew that wasn’t you. I never go looking for articles or youtubes against the candidates – I personally try to find facts.
It’s just that some of the newer Pumas need to know that “facts” are more important when you can back them up.
I’m with you!!
texas tigress..
given the pathetic history of mankind not being able to get along with eachother ..it sometimes seems that tribalism is something so primeval and deep in the human psyche that it will never disappear..
and black nationalism sure in the hell doesn’t help promote peaceful relations..
look at history the europeans and the africans commiting genocide on people who look like them but are of a different nationality or religious group….
these wars were bad enough… what kind of horrors would hell release if a war is ever fought between people of different races..
This is gonna be a long one. I hope you all take the time to read it because I really have some insight into this whole conversation.
First of all, I am a 21 year old African-American in Cleveland, Ohio. I come from a family of traditional Democrats. My mother worked for General Motors. My father was the vice president of his union. I, along with my mother, never considered ourselves anything other than Democrat until the 2000 election. We began to look out into our neighborhoods, which have been Democratically controlled for over 60 years, and we have seen that the policies, at least in our neighborhood, don’t work. One party rule in Cleveland has caused jobs to leave, factories to close, and white flight, which can kill a community. We started realizing that we, as individuals and as African-Americans had been sold a bill of goods. We were lied to over and over and over again. We saw in 2000 that the Democratic Party had sold its soul. School vouchers help black kids, but the Democrats are against it. Economic development and workfare instead of welfare helps black people, but the Democrats are against it. They couldn’t wait for Bill Clinton to leave office because to the far left, he wasn’t true to the “cause”. We noticed this then, and we defected. People can debate Democratic Party policies any day of the week. But for all of my life, I’ve lived through them. I’ve seen what one party rule does to a community.
As far as Black Liberation Theology goes, it is dangerous. I am a Christian and come from a family of Christians which include my grandfather, who was an ordained minister in the Roman Catholic church, and my mother, who is an ordained minister in her own right. Obama’s theology is the black half brother of Marxism. If you look at Obama’s theology and then look at his policies, it makes sense. Now, I’m not saying that Obama hates white people. I am saying that if you look at his policies, for income redistribution, forced unionizing, and other really socialist policies, Black Liberation Theology fits like a glove. It is a marxist, socialist, borderline communist theology that says that the only way for the black man to forgive the white man is for the white man to give all of their stuff away to the black man. If that’s not socialism, I don’t know what is! The theology is flawed and is not even Christian. We are taught that God loves everybody. He may not love the things that we do, but he loves everybody. So for either the church that claims that “God Hates Fags” or this twisted theology that says that God has to hate white people in order to be God, it’s incorrect, not true, false, B.S, and any other adjective you can think of.
One thing that I think really hasn’t been touched on is the denomination of his church. I pay attention to these things, and his denomination was founded in Cleveland, so its headquarters are downtown. He belongs to the United Church of Christ. When you look it up, the United Church of Christ is one of the MOST liberal Christian denominations in the entire faith. (Right or wrong, that’s just a fact). So when you look at his far left policies, you have to look at his far left friends, his far left church, his far left pastor, and his far left denomination. Once you put all of the pieces together, you’ll understand why MoveOn.org endorsed him. You’ll understand why the National Associaton for Women stabbed Hillary Clinton in the back and endorsed Obama. It is because he is the embodiment of the ultimate left of the Democratic Party. You have to put the pieces together in order for them to make sense.
I have thought hard and long on why I don’t have white guilt and do not understand why other people do.
I have immense compassion for all people who suffer oppression. I cannot look at the pictures from the concentration camps in Germany and do not understand the mentality of the people who ran them. On that same list are all of the other horrors that man has visited on other men and women.
How do you explain the famine in Ireland that killed or exiled ½ of the population while the leaders were exporting excess food out of Ireland to Europe?
How do you explain selling children to sex slavers now, in this day and age?
How do you explain the Rwandan genocide where 800,000 people were murdered in 100 days?
How do you explain slavery and lynching of blacks, Jews, gypsies, gays, women?
What is clear to me is that it has nothing to do with skin color. It has to do with power, the greed for more power, blood lust and savage indifference.
Because the harm that is done in American to the poor is real oppression, I am horrified when it is reduced to a discussion of race. Poor is poor and is does not discriminate by skin color or sexual orientation.
I’m not trying to get off topic, but there is a great video about Lady deRothschilde and Wolf Blitzer. She goes toe-to-toe with him. She is even better than she was with Campbell Brown. Her responses are very good.
http://purplepeoplevote.com/2008/09/21/clinton-supporter-member-of-dem-platform-committee-voting-mccainpalin/
Also, I liked what Bill said on The View today. He never actually said to vote for Obama. Bill actually sounded like an Independent.
Texas and Gypsy
I was wondering if you heard that Dances called me very old.
I know the title of this blog is let’s talk about race. How about we not?
I’m so tired of talking and hearing about race.
We are NOT agaisnt Obama because of his race PERIOD!!!
What are we doing to get out the word about Obama’s no experience,the people he associates with,etc.
What are we doing to help McCain win?
McCain08
Bravo for you, Murphy, for starting this conversation. It needs to be had. I’ve been writing about my own observations as a member of a mixed family that has considerable access to black culture. It has been an eye opening experience to say the least.
It was in this family that I learned for the first time that many black parents advise their children to skip tipping in restaurants when served by whites as a means to protest white power, and to “show” white people what racism feels like. I didn’t learn this until I was 30, but it shown a new light on the matter of my 8 years of waitressing. I once got a penny from a lone female black diner, even though I knew I had provided excellent service. If I’d known then what I know now, I’d have chased her down and thrown her penny in her face.
This is a stupid strategy on the part of the black community, as it only punishes poor white people for being poor. It reinforces any racist notions they may already hold and against which they may have been struggling. In this scenario, the black person becomes the oppressor, breeding resentment along the way.
This is just one example of how black people can be racist. If racism is making assumptions about people based on skin color, then anyone can be racist. Anyone.
My posts on race issues in America:
Eyes on the Prize
Dreams from our Mothers
More on Dreams
MamaPuma is correct: What we are seeing here with regards to race is simply the human condition, presenting full-frontal in this election.
murphy…
i agree …and thats why I cant fanthom why he made it this far with Rev. Wright rearing his ugly face. But its not over…Rev. Wright will come up again.
I completely agree #102 rlp33…sick of that conversation.
There is a book out, “Obama: Why Black America Should Have Doubts” by author, Williams Owens Jr. I have included the FOREWORD BY Dr. Alveda King. Here is the link:
http://www.higherstandardpublishers.com/obamabook.html
“As a Black American, I have developed serious doubts about Senator Barack Obama. Based on what I have seen, read and heard, I have come to view him as potentially dangerous – for our country and in particular for Black Americans.
Obama’s handsome features, physical stature, and eloquence combine to make him a charismatic politician. You must admit this can be a deadly combination for us as Black Americans. In my view, we tend to have an addiction to “feeling good.” We are easily satisfied with goose bumps that go no deeper than our first layer of skin. We are often afraid to look deeper – beyond the obvious – because then we would have to be responsible for our choices and refute the belief that a person who looks like us will automatically “take care of us.” It is the Black mindset that presses upon us to say, “Give the brother a chance.”
FOREWORD BY Dr. Alveda King
Niece to the late Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
“Senator Obama’s answer to the ills of society, of higher government spending, weaker national defense, continued tax dollars to Planned Parenthood, and support of gay marriage, are diametrically opposed to everything African Americans truly believe and an anathema to the dream of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.”
NO WAY NO HOW NOBAMA…NOW OR EVER!
101 MamaPuma OH???? Where’s Dances? Will have to have a little talk………..
Old, huh? Did you hear that TT???
Osaka – I agree – it is much deeper than an analysis off the cuff can ever attempt to decipher .
FINALLY THE FIRST BIG TANK ROLLS OUT AGAINST OBAMA!!!! THE REPUBLICAN’S ARE HOT ON HIS TRAIL NOW!!!!!
Hallelujah! !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ0cq4Nytu8
McCain’s new ad.
The dialog above restored my waning faith in the PUMA blog site. I had begun thinking we would never confront this issue of race in politics and in America.
For me, there is a paradox that constantly confounds me.
I am a little over half native american, but have ‘white’ skin and blue eyes. As such, many native americans refuse to accept the native in me and, to them, I am and will forever be ‘white’. Some may think that is an advantage in today’s society.
Now, on the other hand, Obama is half ‘white’ , 3/8 Arab, and 1/8 Kenyan (AA). Yet most blacks seem to refuse to accept Obama as anything other than ‘black’.
So, to me, that is some extreme polarization between black and white.
I’m sure these rationalizations occur with the Asian and Hispanic communities as well.
And I have a good friend who happened to be born hermaphroditic. She (she prefers living as female) tells me she encounters the same biases. Because she has a little male in her, women generally refuse to accept her as a real female. And because she has female parts, men generally ostracize her and refuse to accept anything about her as male. She thinks about suicide all the time and has tried it on several occasions.
The truly sad part of all this is that NONE of us asked to be born the way we were.
Years ago, I had a good friend from Durango, Mexico. When I asked him why he seemed to like me so much, when most of his people resented ‘Anglos’, he made a simple comment I never forgot. He simply said, “All blood runs red.”
Wow!!! What a concept!!
This topic seems to have stimulated alot of participation in the blog today. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if it resulted in some form of acceptance of each other as members of the Human RACE.
But I have to admit my own guilt…when asked if I am a racist and not voting for Obama because he is black, I answer , “No way! I’m not voting for him because he is half-white.”
I’ve never denied being a smart-ass.
This is it, really. Good for you Mama for fighting your way through to the truth of the matter. It is about power and poverty. That’s why it sickens me when I see poor factions turning on each as in the scenario I detailed above.
The Dead Registering To Vote?
Vote Fraud Experts ACORN Resurrecting Dead in North Carolina
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
#98 pumasupporter
Well stated! I couldn’t agree with you more!
107 NoMoreInFL,
Hi! I left U a voice message. Were you in the Villages yesterday with a PUMA sign when Sarah Palin came out?
#76 osaka puma….My brother is very dark and when we were kids he was called the N word.
#72 Asian4Hillary…You are right…I think that many people have been racist and now are voting for BO to suppress their guilt. BO has not proven that he has helped minorities, at least nothing I have read about him.
pumasupporter
I couldnt have said it better…look at DC its a dump…I cant wait to get outta here…17 more months…its segregated by race and nationality…they even voted in a crack head…education is a disaster…its simply awful. and its because of the one party situation…period.
110 BillieJo Right on!! Go Big John!!!
Do you think we could get to the point where we could say, let’s leave racism in the 20th Century where it belongs? Let’s “leave it downstairs” as it were and talk in a new way — about why are we so poor? we are we so sick? we are we so isolated? we are we so uneducated? we are we so cut off from the economic opportunities available to the rich?
pumasupporter.. im not so much worried about black theological liberation as I am by the explosive growth of militant islam around the world including africans and US blacks..that to me is like a dagger pointed at the neck of america and the world..
alice…
black is a color…obama is obviously black.
i asked a friend a few days ago if this Indian guy with the skin of coal was black…she said no. I said how can he not be since he is like the color of coal and she says because he is Indian. The finally she saw the light…”well he is black but he Indian. Obama is a black man of mixed heritage. Tiger Woods is a black Man of mixed Heritage. Halle Berry is a black woman of mixed heritage.
#110 BillieJo
YES! Finally!!! Go McCain…….
Now, this is the stuff we need to be talking about. Let’s put our enegies into healpping McCain win…
The way I see it. All this “race” talk is just giving Obama more of the spotlight…..
It is not Hillary, so lets focus on McCain not “race”.
McCain08
It is funny to me when someone suggests I may be racist because I don’t support BO. I actually feel that being black is one of the very few positives BO can claim.
I absolutely want us to move forwards in terms of race and equality. According to Wikipedia since 1868 only 123 African Americans have served in the United States Congress. Do I believe we have a lot of work to do-YES.
Rev. Wright and BO’s church didn’t really matter to me very much. I did not read any evil or wrongdoing in any of it quite honestly. It did seem over the top, much like Wright’s personality. I was initially impressed when BO said he could not disown his pastor. I thought it showed courage, conviction and character. When he later kicked Wright to the curb, I was disappointed. It was more evidence of his political expediency strategies.
I do notice that Bo is careful not to align himself too closely with blacks-which I do not respect. I prefer Jesse Jackson.
I would be thrilled to have a black president, but I don’t use that as part of my criteria for deciding who I want as our leader. I look for track record, work ethic, integrity, intellect, experience, reaching across party lines, effectiveness, character, records on issues.
Gotta go to work.
98 pumasupporter I’m from Akron, Ohio and I also lived in Cleveland for about 1 1/2 years during the AA movement. I was not afraid of the movement itself, I was afraid of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, etc.
I worked at a factory for a short time and a black girl and I got along fine and had a good time together. She let me know one day though that she couldn’t have anything more to do with me because I was white!! This is the honest-to-god truth. I was so hurt! I was naiive and didn’t understand “hate” against all whites. This wasn’t what we saw in the news about Martin Luther Kings, it’s what was endorsed by the extremists. Am I a racist? I never considered myself one.
I grew up in some of the first low income house in Akron (my mother was a single parent that worked as a hairdresser) – so discrimination about me was apparent as I was considered white trash. It was a multicultural housing developement. So, I was discriminated by everyone –
Wow, #98 Pumasupporter. Just wow. Great insights.
My French-Canandian father had a cross burned on his property in upstate NY and later was denied housing because his skin was too dark (he was a farm boy with Moor-ish blood, plus he tans very dark. but he’s white). He used these experiences to educate us about race, hatred, and stupidity.
murphy
racism like war is never gonna leave this planet. i hope i dont sound pessimistic, but as my father says “once we realize life is not fair…then it becomes easier”
i mean for example…i was in budapest a few months ago…and i was stared at…kids wanted to touch me..and feel my hair…lol…i dont care and of course when i got back th dc people i told this story to was like…oooo how racist!
IDEAS for POLL QUESTIONS
I have 3 poll questions that would be great to have on Greta or AOL, obviously with their modifications. I would like to get dialogue going on what is being “said” vs. what supports the statements or claims of racism. I did a whole rant post several days ago that the reality is Obama and his campaign ARE the racists. They hae no real claims for their comments except what they hae made up. The idea that everyone in this country who doesn’t support him are all racist and better yet, so stupid that we can’t even vote based on the issues, candidate’s experience, history, character, etc. It is really bad when they major talking point in his campaign and people like Sebelious (sp) are they are smart because they are not racist and the rest of the country are just ignorant.
1. How much does Obama use race into his campaign as the primary reason people aren’t supporting him?
100%
80%
50%
30%
10%
0%
2.If the election were held today, do you believe every “no” vote for Obama is primarily because of his race?
Yes?
No?
3.Where are you getting your information that people who aren’t voting for Obama because of his race? For everyone you pick, please list the sources and/or references for saying these things.
Obama? (List references)
Obama campaign (List references)
Obama supporters (List references)
The library? (list references)
The internet? (what legitimate and verified resources?)
Polls? (from where and who)
Friends? (list their references)
School (list references ? (If it is your teacher, what are their references?)
Someplace else? (please list)
Mama
You’re pretty.
(Texas and Gypsy, I have a cousin in Italy named Guido “the bat” Siciliano. Just so you know… )
This government is so quick to help out failing buisnesses with billions of dollars but still is not able to pay back the trillions they borrowed from social security! Maybe if they paid that back instead those of us who depend on SS could get a decent raise and be able to live a little better, just my 2 cents worth!
ARIO
…but you also know that there individuals belonging to minority groups , that the main qualification for the position held is their background, and that hinders the groups as a whole
because the truth is that there are people very well prepared and badly prepared from all types of human groups
and THE AMERICAN DREAM is about that anyone could make it no matter where he/she comes from or who she/he is, just have to work hard enough and you get it
if bozzo gets to the wh, the american dream would go down the drain, what will prevail is peter´s principle the most incompetent to the highest position, specially if they are koolaid drinkers
I am half Hispanic (Castillian Spanish) and half a mix; Scottish, Powhatan nation (yes, Pocahontas’ Indian nation), and English.
I was reared to see a person, not the color of his or her skin. My husband and I have reared our children the same way.
When I held a management job people of color tended to want to work with me because they knew I evaluated their performance based on just that; their performance. I saw racial attitudes against people of all colors and received some racial bias against me, although it was limited because most people cannot tell I am half Hispanic.
I like your post a lot, Murphy. You make a really good point about people’s white guilt. When people would tell me they weren’t racist and had friends who were black or Hispanic or Asian, etc. I would ask them if they had been to that “friend’s” home or had that “friend” to their home. In my opinion, this question shows if they are friends are, as Murphy puts it, they have the white guilt and don’t want to actually associate with people of color.
In getting back to my point about evaluating people based upon their performance, this attitude is why I cannot support BO. On the night that he secured the Democratic party nomination our local t.v. station had a banner “Historic night.” And when I saw it my first thought was, “Why is this a historic night?” As I told my husband, if I had any doubts (which I didn’t) that I wasn’t concerned about BO’s skin color, that immediate question in my mind proved it. I do not see his skin color I see the person. So, I do not see his nomination as “historic.” I realize in a logical sense why it is considered historic. For me, his skin color is totally irrevelant to his ability to do the job. A person can either do the job or he/she can’t. In Bo’s case I have not seen one shred of evidence that he is capable of doing the job. Quite the opposite.
My husband has a response he uses when people tell him that he isn’t voting for BO because he’s a racist. He tells them, “The only thing I like about him IS that he’s black.” That response totally throws the bots and gives him a chance to provide the actual facts of why he is not voting for BO.
Alice 1943 — excellent post, and yes you ARE a wiseass.
I’m not anything but boring, pale white, so I’ve never been a member of a club that didnt necessarily want me.
If I were President, my agenda would be:
1. Universal Health Care
2. New Deal on Public School Education
3. 1 year Military/Public Service requirement for ALL 18 year-olds
4. Practically Free College education at State universities and colleges with Major investment in rebuilding and improving the quality and infrastructure of the state college system
5. Major investment in Mass Transit, including funding green-collar constrcution and engineering jobs for American citizens
That would be my 5 Point Plan for attacking poverty at the roots in America.
rlp, we are all sick of the race talk because BO and his ilk throw it out so much, but I am glad this conversation came up because I’m getting a great perspective from our AA Pumas. It is very enlightening for me to have this discussion from Ario and Pumasupporter’s point of view and I very much appreciate their input. It is not often I get the opportunity to hear that perspective.
WEBFOOT: love your husband’s line!
I really only saw racism as something that ‘used to happen elsewhere’ until I moved to Texas 5 years ago ..
Moving to an area where racism is commonplace and expected was the biggest culture shock of my entire life . It was especially dificult for my children who thought people were the color of their hair( they really used to say , ” that orange girl” to describe a red head) and had no idea that there was such a thing as not liking someone because of their skin tone .
The racism here is horrible and on both sides . There is a gas station that I can camp out in all day and not get acknowledged because I am white . At the sporting events ( I have taken pictures of this ) the gym is divided into the black side and the white side – same thing with restaurants and funerals etc.
My response ( and my families ) has been to call them all on it .
We go right into the middle of the black section and cheer our butts off . No one is going to ask me to move because i am more involved in their kids lives ( black and white ) than they are .
My girls , who are 15 now , know that it is our job to lead by example . To break down these ridiculous barriers by treating everyone the same – and it’s working .
The parents of the black kids don’t even give me a funny look anymore when I’m picking up their kids or bringing them home , and the white parents wont say anything ( to my face anyway) because they know they will sound stupid .
People are not born racist . All these kids , that I love, are not yet racist – and I’m going to try to keep it that way ….
deep…if i could blush i would
storyteller…thank god americans arent stupid and obama will never see the oval office…its becoming more apparent everyday!
#128 diva2 I like your poll questions.
Because,
if you are sick or your children are sick — you will be POOR
if you are uneducated — you will be poor
if you are isolated and pampered by a society that rewards privilege with ZERO responsibilities — you will be weak and greedy
if you are poor but smart you will be ineligible for a good college education and — you will always be poor
if we dont start saving our cities and our planet — we will all be dead. Or, more likely, all the poor people will be dead.
#93 Noblecascade
No kidding! My husband a with a Magna Cum Laude B.S. Ed degree and 20+ years experience teaching H.S. Chemistry and physics was told outright by more than one school district that although he was qualified, they could not hire him because he was a white male. If he was female or minority, he would have had the job! EVERY time he disciplines a black or hispanic student (no matter what they did or how much the discipline is deserved) he is accused of being racist. In our city, whites are the minority. No one is offering us a hand up. Instead it’s quite the opposite. Funny thing is, some of my best friends in all the world are AA, Nigerian, Hispanic, and Asian. When people just get to know people for who they are, color is not an issue. By bringing attention to his race (which is not AA BTW) BO is just stirring up racial tension. He makes me sick!
MamaPuma:
This site should be added to our Puma Pac Site List, so we can point to others where they can learn the TRUTH about Obama.
http://www.theobamafile.com/
“everything you want to know about THE ONE and were afraid to ask…
Please ckeck it out.
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my God, TexasTigress where the hell in Texas do you live? I have lived in Louisiana and Texas all my life and never seen any of those sites.
Crap – here I am listening to myself ramble on , and i am missing Dances – who was completely out of line – call mama old !!!!
I am soooo sorry that Mama had to be forced to endure such blatant and vile criticism from such an obviously ungrateful Puma !!!!!
Bad , Bad dances – next thing you know you’ll be sicking Guido the bat on poor mama !
texastigress — nice.
Thank you for bringing up the reality in your town, as well. I was talking with a friend yesterday and I was ranting about this, about how the whole “america is not ready for a black president” talking point is utter HOGWASH, and she said, yeah but ah, I have family in the South and when I visit them I am SHOCKED by what they say and think. She says that there are many white people who openly believe that black people are lazy and dumb. They dont necessarily hate Obama because he’s black, but they wont vote for him because that would be a “win” for “those people.”
so, what the hell do we do about that???
#94 Worker Bee on 09.22.08 at 12:37 pm Just released by BBC:
Russian warships have set off for Venezuela for joint exercises unprecedented since the Cold War.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7628899.stm
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That is just ducky, since I will be only 15 miles from Venezuela for three wks.
133 murphy Thank you.
Based on your ‘Agenda’….I think YOU should be running for POTUS.
Middle age female: And it is due to arrive in Venezuela in November. And, it is the nuclear sub, btw.
My 5 point plan would be as follows.
1. Reinforce no child left behind and hold all teachers feet to the fire with no mercy. No excuse and def no…all kids cant test.
2. Demand 1 year military service…with very few exceptions. If one doesnt like it Canada will love to have you.
3. Free state college with certain demands and transparency…hence gpa sat scores and no affirmative action. Thas a silly one for me…why do we need affirmative action in schools when most are bleeding heart liberals? More hypocrisy?
4. Cut immigration off for 10 years. Build that fence asap. Sorry folks one of the reason for the poverty in urban communities is due to immigration. We have plenty of problems and poverty and that needs to be dealt with immediately. I dont buy the whole they do the jobs we wont. Nonsense…they do the jobs we would for 1/2 the price.
5. Cut off all earmarks…no more millions to study asian transexuals in san francisco…no more money for cowgirl museums…that money need to be put in a box for healthcare. and im opposed to universal healthcare…i dont trust these fools in dc with my healthcare.
#140 notfollowinthepiedpiper-I feel for your husband. I had an EEO complaint filed against me one time when I was documenting the performance of an employee of color. The employee did not win because her case had no substance or merit. It was still a horrible position to be in. It was an unusual instance for me though because once I let them know my “mix” they backed off if they tried to pull the racial card on me. As I said in my post above, I evaluated people based upon performance and everyone knew that. The racial card was played to try to get away with poor performance and it just didn’t fly with me. Everyone was evaluated based upon the standard for performance.
I think you people are making this stuff up.
RE: my last comment…it’s not a sub. but it is their nuclear powered warship, with nuk capabilities. Grind down hard on that, Americans.
my policy about race is a simple one..
i judge people by their character not by their color..
most people are usually good when they are individuals..its when people adopt group loyalty based on race that the problems start..
competition for resources,money and power make people do bad things..very bad things..
143 Noblecascade east texas right on the La. border . When we moved in to our first house I cried because oyr neighbor had a rebel flag ooutside . I told my friends I had moved to hillbilly hell ! lol
I threw a fit at the school last year because the secretary refused to sell prom tickets to bi-racial couples , and one of my girls – who is in the national Honor society and Who’s Who – failed a clss last year because the teacher accused her of allowing a black boy to cheat off of her – and there was no proof at all , and the principal told me ,” Sometimes in Tx. people are given the death penalty and are later found to be innocent ” … This community is unbelievable ..but I’m working on it
#146 Middle Age female
they have been there for almost 2 wks already¡¡¡¡
I wonder who was holding up the news¡¡¡¡¡
Here’s my 2 cents worth.
If Hillary was black, would you have supported her with the same passion that you had during the primary?
http://georgiaunfiltered.blogspot.com/2008/09/im-voting-todayare-you.html
I went to a jr. high that had 3000 blacks and 90 whites. Never a problem we couldn’t work out.
#145 “so, what the hell do we do about that???”
I say we leave it alone. A NObama vote is a NObama vote. They all count regardless of the motive. There are sooooo many people voting FOR this guy JUST because he IS black (even knowing in their heart he’s BAD for America). So what’s the big deal if there are some who vote against him just because he’s black. Racism exists in America…period. We have made great strides but it still exists.
#139 Murphy! Wooohooo! You said it, lady. Now see how well your five-point plan compares with Rahm Immanuel and the DONCs five point plan:
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZUjHNefQPiUC&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22The+plan%22+rahm+emmanuel&client=firefox-a&sig=ACfU3U2Q4DHC1T82Cux_zrxNyGUdOBLj4g
151 Noblecascade What stuff? Thanks.
Ario, I am a black woman who will not be voting for Obama. I think there are a lot of smoke and mirrors with him. I think that racism is used as a crutch now for anything that does not go our way, oh it was b/c of racism. Maybe the sexism card is played that way sometimes also. Anytime people can be seen as the victim, they will jump on it, maybe cause it will help them to feel better. However, I thought about voting for him for a minute until I found out that he did not even consider having Hillary as VP, even though she had more popular vote than he did, and that seemed insane to me. Insane to choose someone like Biden who said not too long ago that he did not think Obama was ready to be Pres and would rather vote for McCain over Obama (I wonder why McCain hasn’t used it yet, prob waiting until October or something). Anyhow, it is a hard decision and you will get flack from a lot for not jumping on the bandwagon. But I have never been too concerned with popularity and would rather stay true to myself and my ideals than to other people’s ideals. Even if it leaves me by myself on the other side. And I find the sexism (and I definitely believe it was there) that was displayed towards Hillary and now Palin absolutely DESPICABLE.
FLORIDA PUMAS:,
Anyone near Duneiden? We could protest tomorrow, nobama will be at knowlogy field.
utah
of course…hillary is qualified and was wonderful through the primaries.
Not to mention the educational system in some areas of the south that keep the races divided…”extra muscle” sound firmiliar Texas?
Noblecascade – I know it sound unbelievable , but I am here and it is really this way .
When we were in the Junior High , I had to have all of the coaches come together and explain to some of my long distance runners that the AA children do NOT have an extra muscle in their legs becaus e some of my runners had said that one of the boys coaches had told them that .
BTW, I believe the #5 point of the DONCs plan is a backdoor way of privatizing social security. They won’t say it, but they will do it, I believe. They’re all free-market philosophers now….
#164 Ario
My point exactly.
In my lily white bastion of limousine liberals (population 94% white, 5% asian, 1% other) I have heard straight-A, socially liberal young people tell me that we should feel bad for black children because “their parents dont love them as much as white parents love their children.” It is a “well-known fact” that all the bused-in black kids at the high school (all 40 of them or so in a school of 1400) are responsible for EVERY SINGLE incident of locker and backpack theft and EVERY SINGLE drug transaction. Of course, every last drug dealer that I’ve ever seen in this town, or in my life for that matter, has been a young white or Asian man — but hey, that’s just me.
And oh, of course, my liberal neighbors just LURVE Barack Obama, natch.
I live in Slidell Louisiana. My location is appx. 25 miles east of New Orleans across Lake Pontchartrain. I’m proud to say that I have NEVER experienced the kind of racism that Texas describes. Our kids have black and white friends, we have clubs with black and white members, we socialize with all nationalities, white kids date black kids, when my children have parties all their friends attend inclusive of Asian, white, black, Latino and everything in between….blah blah and so on and so forth.
I was born in New Orleans, raised in Metairie and worked mostly in New Orleans. While I have witnessed racism here, I have never seen it as described by Texas. Wow….I didn’t know how lucky I was.
vickie
i agree..im sorta rough around the edges…so i have very few conflicts with people over being for mccai…and i got a sticker slapped right on my car…lol
#163 mijabsnji,
No, plus I have to work!
Bill Cosby hasn’t endorsed Obama. Bill Cosby’s views are completely opposite from Reverend Wrights.
People I admire and respect: Bill Cosby, MLK
People I don’t: Obama, Cone,Wright
#154 Texas Tigress, that must be Longview or Waskom. I lived in Shreveport for 35 years before I moved to DFW area. I didn’t realize those towns were frozen in time.
#90 Ario
billie…
isnt berkely surrounded by a black community and there is very little interaction between the 2?
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Ario, I think you are awesome and thanks for the insight. That being said, obieWan will now be called SlickRick the PovertyPimp! (or at least for now
Berkeley is near Oakland and one of the worst cities for racial crime and poverty…Richmond. Yes, you are right, as a white woman I do not go into Richmond in the evening…and many upscale liberals do not live there. Upscale whites live in the better areas of Oakland, not East Oakland for sure. The strange thing is here where I work, some professors live in the nicer black areas but live in beautiful lofts with guards and major security.
If Hillary were still Hillary (you know brilliant, principled, accomplished, fearless) and on top of that she were black?
Jeeze, I think you’d have to hold me and pretty much all of us back from an unabashed CORONATION!
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=3105288&page=1
Nuke everybody and let God sort us out!
thanks billie…okay folks gonna go practice be back a lil later…adios!
Go Ario!!!
#149 Ario
Darn it! You’re after my freaking liver! I’m with you 10000000%!!
I want that freaking fence built in our border with Mexico, I don’t believe in no border sheit!
Hellsbells! My next door neighbor is Canada, drugs entering my state, high quality weed is from my next door neighbor, miles and miles OPEN BORDER. Visit the archive of http://www.ice.gov, you’ll see a helicopter transporting weed from Canada to Washington state.
Annabelle — hey there!
but oh no! please dont tell me I agree with Rahm Emmanuelle!
Please?
I cant BEAR to look!
Murphy, I agree. Holy cr*p! Look what we would get: Hillary (or a like Hillary) first woman president, first black president…..talk about change???
I agree w/those here who see the race (& gender bias for that matter) issue coming down to Power and Greed.
Those in a position of power are loathe to set aside egos and work for the common good, and power corrupts those whose character isn’t strong enough to walk through it and not become “elitist.”
I think it would be really great if race and gender bias were among the list of discussion topics at the upcoming debates starting Friday.
Bet they’re not, though!
a coronation that would put Queen Elizabeth to shame!!!
be back later!
off-topic, but what the hay:
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#149 Ario
You runnin’ for president? I’d consider voting for you, especially based on #5
deep south – I would have never , ever in my life have believed that situations like this still existed in America . I am in no way attributing the environment of this small town to any other town across the south . It is surreal , and I , myself have a very dificult time integrating wanting to protect my children from possible retribution by ignorant racist adults and in encouraging them to erase the racial divides …
WEBFOOT
Enjoyed your earlier post and a great come-back by your husband. It is so frustrating to have to defend the type of person(s) we AREN’T!
Thank you for your response on the poll questions. Nobo on Fox talking about something, I would say his economic plan, but it is more like how to blast the Republicans.
#161 gypsy4mc…the “stuff” I was referring to was all this racist stuff like..blacks sitting in the back of the bus , etc. in today’s world. I don’t see any of that down here is Texas and Louisiana. I’m just a regular middle-class white single parent woman.
#174 Noblecascade
I’m guessing Vidor
#170 DeepSouth
I used to live in Oak Harbor apartments! right at the end of the bridge!
KAT:
You are certainly to be congratulated.
Last night I was so distressed by the tenor of the “conversations” that were taking place that I almost left.
Then suddenly you appeared and everything changed, so that now everything has taken on a loftier tone. The conversation is now intellectually stimulating and I am quietly listening and learning very much.
I think that I can honestly say that I have never been racist though my interaction with blacks has been limited by my living circumstances.
I do remember when teaching 8th grade English in a Landover Hills, Maryland school, having one black student in my class and I distinctly remember remarking to myself that I hardly ever thought of him as black. I do remember his name was Reginald Henry and the remarkable thing is that I don’t remember any other names in that class except Thomas and Timothy Burton.
The three of them accompanied me on a trip to Washington where we met Vice President Hubert Humphrey and his wife Muriel in the Capitol Building.
Mama Puma: I did see where Dances described you as very old. That must make me very, very, very ,very old!
I am just sitting here and reading everyone’s comments and they are very interesting when i feel comfortable i will post my thoughts but for now I will sit back and enjoy reading everyone’s thoughts on this subject.. Middle age female post #62 you were really onto something in that post Continue please
Noblescade and notfollowinthepiedpiper – close – Carthage . I used to work in S’port
#178 Alice1943
Rofl. Only you Alice, only you.
Carthage, I should have guessed…redneck capital of the world! lol!
BTW, over a year ago, I had the MOST frightening experience. I just got out of the shopping mall going to the parking lot ready to go home, I was inside my vehicle. Out of nowhere I saw guys with guns (ATF agents) and cops, I mean we’re talking high powered guns. I was in the middle of a DRUG BUST in the freaking parking lot!!!!
The drug runners were in their vehicle, law enforcement officers have all their guns drawn. I don’t know how I did it, I guess it was plain adrenalin, from the front seat I was in the back seat and lay flat of the floor of my vehicle. If there was an encounter I knew I would be hit, but I think those undercover agents would be hit first before me. The drug runners crossed the border from Canada.
Texastigress….it is wonderful that you are trying to show by example that all people can be one. I know what you are going through. My son transferred from Ole Miss to Mississippi State in Starkville. He left after one semester. My son is the type of person who puts in his 2 cents when he sees or hears racism. He told me that it was so bad there that if he had something to a crowd who made a racist remarks they would have beaten him up or worse. He couldn’t tolerate it and had to leave. It is amazing to me that he had to leave college because the racism was so bad.
deep south..
i have family in los angeles and if like they say LA is the city of the future then we are in some deep you know what..
in LA there is as we speak a low intensity war already going on between hispanics and blacks..
blacks turned their backs on a hispanic candidate for mayor and voted for a jew because they didnt want a mexican to have that much power..
hate to tell you ..if any future race war will materialize it will NOT start with white vs black ..it will start with brown vs black..
LA times reports blacks are leaving california in droves because they think “the mexicans have taken over”..the LA NAACP sued the almost all immigrant mexican home owners property association because they do not want blacks renting their property..
so it doesnt surprise me at all that ario wants a fence along the border and a 10 year moratorium on immigration.. most blacks share their hatred of immigrants because they are too competitive
#149 Ario…I am a health care provider and I liked Hillary’s plan as opposed to BO’s. Never a one payor system…we would be at the mercy of the government and that would be a fiasco!! I for one would be out of business and I believe we would have poorer health care. At least Hillary’s plan gave people 3 choices and they could keep their insurance plan if they wished and others who do not have insurance could be covered!!
from Fox news re: PALIN’S EMAIL ACCOUNT:
“The FBI has served a search warrant against a 20-year-old college student in connection with the hacking of Sarah Palin’s personal e-mail account.
A witness told WBIR-TV that FBI agents served the warrant at the college residence of David Kernell, a student at the University of Tennessee-Knoxville. Kernell is the son of Mike Kernell, a Democratic state representative from Memphis.
The FBI and Secret Service launched a formal investigation on Sept. 17 into the hacking of one of Palin’s Yahoo! e-mail accounts. Yahoo! declined to comment Sept. 18 on details of the investigation, citing Palin’s privacy and the sensitivity of such investigations.
A Department of Justice spokesman told WBIR-TV that there has been “investigatory activity” in Knoxville regarding the investigation. A witness told the station that several agents arrived at Kernell’s apartment complex early Sunday morning.
A witness told the station they took photos inside Kernell’s apartment and that his three roommates were subpoenaed to testify this week in Chattanooga.”
197 Noblecascade _ SEE !!!!!!!! ya believe me now , don’t ya !!??? I am not exagerating about this place !!! Whew – I am so glad you knew about it !!!
CARACAL!!! Small world eh? Are you talking about the Anchorage apts. off the twin spans?
yes, TexasTigress…you certainly got your work cut out for you…
OKay, we’re being diverted again. That freak Ahmindinijad (sp) is going to be in New York tomorrow. What are we going to do about it? How in the hell can he be allowed to speak out openly against us? What in the heck is going on?? He’s going to give a speech?? Geeze
Oh, Noblecascade – I do know of a couple of cities/towns that this could very well happen……..
I was at the Tractor supply the other day and this older black man was trying to tie down all of these feed troughs in his truck with a little piece of twine so I took him a yellow tie down rope from mine and gave it to him , and he said ” I KNOW you’re not from here . ” and I said ” How’s that ? ” and he said , ” Cause anint no white woman from here gonna give a black man a rope !” and we busted out laughing and he gave me a hand written coupon for 2 free bbq dinners from the restaurant he owns ! Woooo Hoooo
osaka
wait a sec…are u saying i want a fence because of competition or my fear of it?
#164 Ario
Am with my husband who is attending a meeting with high CEO’s, CFO’s, COO’s of utility companies in the Pacific Northwest. At dinner last night, one of the CEO’s said he did not know anything about Nobo, was very concerned about him and that if Hillary Clinton were in the race, he would vote for her anyday over nobo! I am not sure if he is Dem or Republican, I am guessing Dem. I felt I could not speak up because that was not the time to be discussing politics. BUT I sure wanted to say, boy you are absolutely right!
What I am trying to say is that I believe/hope that is a common perception and that when people go to the polls, that they go with McCain and they will not vote for nobo. It is good to hear that from high level CEO’s.
DeepSouth
If your coming off the miles long bridge from New Orleans they are the white apartments right off to the left. Back in 2001 they were called Oak Harbor. I loved living right there in the marina. sniff..sniff..tear.. lol
#176 murphy on 09.22.08 at 1:19 pm
If Hillary were still Hillary (you know brilliant, principled, accomplished, fearless) and on top of that she were black?
Jeeze, I think you’d have to hold me and pretty much all of us back from an unabashed CORONATION!
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I wouldn’t adore Hillary more if she were black, I would admire her no matter what her race or age was.
lillibet — great story!
Reginald Henry, where are you??
1gypsy.. love him or hate him alhinijad.. or whatever his name is ..hehe ..
he is a head of state and our protocol allows that to happen
Ario 208 — slam dunk.
#156 utahpuma Absolutely!! Race is not an issue for voting for someone that is smart, experienced, has a heart for the people and does not cheat to get elected!
murphy? huh?
With some of America’s largest and most prestigious financial institutions undergoing a threatening liquidity meltdown, Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama has not hesitated to seize the opportunity to exploit the situation for political gain. Despite being the second largest recipient of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac political donations in the entire United States Congress, he is brazenly and hypocritically railing against the very Washington lobbyists who have poured money into his campaign in an effort to buy his influence. This despite the fact that, just a year ago, Obama pledged that he would take no private funding for this election, a promise the major media have never felt too obligated to hold him to.
Obama’s political demagoguery and contradictions come at a critical moment. Yesterday, in the largest governmental bailout in American corporate history, the Federal Reserve Board announced that it would lend American International Group, the 18th largest corporation in the world, $85 billion in exchange for a 79.9 percent equity stake in the company. In all probability, this massive infusion of federal funds is just a stop gap measure as the company likely now seeks to liquidate itself in an effort to fend off bankruptcy.
For Obama, the whole mess is not a time for national unity; it is, rather, great political fodder. This morning, in an effort to extract political gain from the situation, he issued a statement, which said in part:
“The fact that we have reached a point where the Federal Reserve felt it had to take this unprecedented step with the American Insurance Group is the final verdict on the failed economic philosophy of the last eight years.”
American Insurance Group? For $85 billion, Obama and his big government, tax and spend economic advisers apparently don’t fret too much over the details in an effort to make their partisan jabs. One wonders if that $85 billion United States Treasury check would even cash had Obama’s Treasury Secretary made it out incorrectly to one “American Insurance Group.”
After the glaring error was pointed out, the Obama campaign quietly issued a corrected statement. And to be fair, in the frantic nature of a presidential campaign, one should be forgiving to the inevitable misstatements that will occur when some of the world’s most aggressive journalists are following one’s every move through a taxing schedule that often includes up to half a dozen campaign appearances in multiple states in one day.
But what is troubling about the Obama misstatement is that, despite his rhetoric of bringing a new bipartisanship to Washington, he has been as quick as any political candidate in recent memory to exploit and distort any and all statements made by his Republican rival and his surrogates.
When former U.S. Senator Phil Gramm, the Texas Republican, told /The Washington Times/ this past July 9 that “We have become a nation of whiners. You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of American competitiveness, America is in decline,” the Obama camp did not cease exploiting the statement until Gramm, one the brighter economic minds of our nation, was ultimately forced to reliquish his role as an advisor to Republican presidential nominee John McCain.
As recently as yesterday in Colorado, Obama was still quoting Gramm in a twisted effort to suggest that the McCain campaign is somehow out of touch with the economic challenges of ordinary Americans.
Then, this past Monday, amidst AIG and Lehman Brothers’ liquidity meltdown, McCain quite properly and understandably sought to reassure Americans, stating accurately that the “fundamentals of our economy are strong.” But within hours, Obama was distorting this statement too, suggesting that it somehow implied that McCain did not grasp the magnitude of two major American financial institutions confronting bankruptcy, or that he somehow felt that there did not exist major challenges in the current American economy.
Murphy,
I think it is despicable when someone exploits the poor in order to further their own careers and self interest.
Obama did this as state senator when one of Rezko’s eleven slum buildings in Obama’s district was without heat for 5 weeks, in the dead of winter, because Rezko didn’t pay the heating bill. But during that same month, according to a newspaper report, Rezko donated money to Obama’s campaign fund, and Obama took it.
Reporters had later questioned Obama about the abhorrent conditions of the eleven slum buildings in Obama’s district and Obama said it was the alderman’s responsibility. Although I believe Obama office received complaints, he side-stepped the issue and wouldn’t take responsibility. He didn’t even say he would look into it. Nice.
I was on the RCP website this morning and came across an excellent article on why Obama shouldn’t be elected President. The article states valid reasons and posts links. Voters can glean some good points to counter those who say they are racist for not supporting Obama.
http://savagepolitics.com/?p=1839#comments
As I said before, if I am confronted and accused of racism, I will ask them if they have a couple of hours and sit them down some where (since I am a senior) and list why I will not support Obama. I have a file, at least 6 inches thick that I think I’ll keep with me just in case I am fortunate enough to encounter one of those bots. I will also speak clear enough so others can hear me. They will shout and be in my face and I will hold my composure because I will have valid reasons on my side.
I once came across a wonderful saying:
“People who call others names, have run out of ideas.”
My problem with the “white-lib guilt” theory is that Obama’s supporters seem to have no guilt at all, about anything. If they had a little guilt, maybe they’d behave themselves.
Obamagate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qomPp_Y9Ps
#99 MamaPuma on 09.22.08 at 12:39 pm
I have thought hard and long on why I don’t have white guilt and do not understand why other people do.
I have immense compassion for all people who suffer oppression. I cannot look at the pictures from the concentration camps in Germany and do not understand the mentality of the people who ran them. On that same list are all of the other horrors that man has visited on other men and women.
How do you explain the famine in Ireland that killed or exiled ½ of the population while the leaders were exporting excess food out of Ireland to Europe?
How do you explain selling children to sex slavers now, in this day and age?
How do you explain the Rwandan genocide where 800,000 people were murdered in 100 days?
How do you explain slavery and lynching of blacks, Jews, gypsies, gays, women?
What is clear to me is that it has nothing to do with skin color. It has to do with power, the greed for more power, blood lust and savage indifference.
Because the harm that is done in American to the poor is real oppression, I am horrified when it is reduced to a discussion of race. Poor is poor and is does not discriminate.
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I too have thought long and hard about this good, bad, and indifferent world.
I know I am not a racist, but I am an atheist.
I grew up in MA, till I was 8 in Hyde Park than to a street off Talbot Ave in Dorchester.
A very, very diversified street. Irish, blacks, Jews, and the very large Swedish/Scottish family of mine. Eight kids mom, dad, grandmother, and grandfather.
We were not religious (brainwashed I like to think), Mom a sometime Episcopalian, Dad a sometime Lutheran…Grandma went to the Salvation Army! But oh how she hated the catholic trash as she called them. We would be shushing her telling her we live in Boston the next closest place to the VATICAN.
She would tell us the bible says the yellow race will take over the world yada yada yada………..
Outside our home (Mom was listening to Billy Graham inside??) our neighbors who were Catholic went to Mass(religiously) and my friend next door had to go in each day to knell and say the Rosary with a radio program(??).
MY next door neighbors were black, I remember them with love and fondness today. Highly educated, friendly and kind, they inspired me. They had no children but a niece would come to visit often. My sister and I thought Bonita was lovely, she was and smart and we learned she was going to college. Wow I was so impressed, no one spoke of going to college at my house.
My black neighbors across the street were quiet and their daughter had left 2 babies for them to raise, well I never saw a man living there so I guess it was just Grandma.
I am boring you so I will end my story just to say that all the kids on the street played together and got along, the Protestant kids would wait for the catholic kids to get out of Sunday school at three so we could all go to the movies. We would be chased away from the Catholic church by the priest, told we heathens were not welcome NEAR the church.
So is it all what we experience? Is it what we are taught and exposed to? Are we fed hate in ALL churches? Are some to intolerant and insulated??
I find no comfort in any MAN’S religion, only the worst sexism of all kinds, I can not go there!
SO, THE QUESTION REMAINS, WHAT THE DAMN HELL ARE ALL OF US DOING TODAY !!! TO STOP OBAMA? !!! More Talk ? More BLOG ?
I suppose the more intellectual the discussion, the better we feel about our own knowledge -
Read the CNN article from today below and tell me if we have ANY URGENCY AT ALL ?
Ya, lets sit here and blog our mouth off, so my fellow PUMAs can pat each other and say what an enlightened,intelligent , eloquent fair minded Puma we all are.
The polls are at tipping point every where. WHAT ARE WE DOING ? WHAT IS AMERICAN WHITE GUILT DOING to prevent Obama from being our President?
THEY ARE GETTING INTO OUR FACES !! Lets just go home and complain about it on the blog… it is a safe and welcoming place with familiar pen names.. the Pumas will send hugs and make it all better.
Perhaps we should start rolling out the carpet to the White House for Obama…because we sure as hell don’t have a collective plan of action.
CNN POLL OF POLLS: Obama ahead in crucial battlegrounds
Posted: 12:37 PM ET
Obama is ahead in two key states, according the latest CNN poll of polls.
(CNN) — Barack Obama holds leads in critical battleground states of Iowa and Pennsylvania with only six weeks remaining until Election Day, according to just released CNN poll of polls.
New surveys also released Monday suggest Obama and John McCain are locked in statistical ties in two other crucial swing states.
According to CNN’s Iowa poll of polls, Obama holds a 7-point lead (50-43 percent) in the state that narrowly voted for President Bush in 2004 and gave a major boost to Obama’s presidential fortunes earlier this year at the start of the primary season.
A poll of polls out of Pennsylvania shows the race there considerably tighter, with the Illinois senator — who lost handily to Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary there — holding a slim 3 point lead over McCain (47-44 percent).
Both the Iowa and Pennsylvania poll of polls consist of three recent surveys out of both states, and neither carries a margin of error.
In Minnesota, the site of the Republican convention earlier this month, a new American Research Group poll suggests the race there has tightened considerably, with Obama holding a 1-point lead (46-45 percent) that is well within the survey’s 4 percent sampling error.
A new Suffolk University poll out of Nevada also suggests the race there is a dead heat, with McCain holding a 1-point lead (48-47 percent) that is again well within the poll’s sampling error.
CNN considers both Iowa and Pennsylvania as “leaning Obama” in its electoral map breakdown ,while Minnesota and Nevada are considered tossup states.
Murphy:
Excellent topic and good points to vent out.
webfoot:
thank you for your story. I also have many bloods in me.
However, all through my professional life (I’m an architect) I have been descriminated against:
1st. because I am a woman;
2nd. because I’m half spaniard half french.
Two eurpean bloods not very well perceived in this part of the world.
My point:
there are and always will be many kinds of descrimination among us Humans all over the world. The simple fact of being “different” brings fear and insecurity upon us.
The “thinking” person can see the “difference” as an asset, instead of a liability.
what happened to osaka?
My two cents,
I live in Sacramneto, the most dicerse city in America. I Have daily contact with all people . You name the race or ethnicity and I probably know someone in that category.
You know what I learned? Some people will use race for good things others bad.
Two weeks ago a black woman gave me her business card and invited me to call her. Now there were other black people standing around.
The response was America in a nutshel. The women , almost universally, got a smug look on their face. Kinda “Way to go sister” expression.
The men? Most just ignored the whole thing. A couple guys gave me the “oh yeah dude” look guys give each other when they are with a really good looking woman (this woman looked like a model btw). One fellow gave me a filthy look and walked away.
Now, I only use AA because that who were around at the time. I’ve had roughly the same responses from just about every group in similar situations. Mexican, Asian Arabic etc.
There is whole lot there to ponder.
Oh for those who don’t know I am white male and a Leo.
freddie.. thats not good news at all..
Thank you MURPHY.
BTW, it’s always more fun when you are part of the conversation.
#207 TexasTigress…yuck that is terrible…I guess the rednecks would have already killed me cause I’ve got to be free to be me and I hang out with who I want.
#195 TexasTigress
Lived 3 years in Nacogdoches and surrounding areas (know what you mean).
#221 freddiebrown
I don’t trust anything CNN says.
Murphy has framed the argument in exactly the right way. We have to have this conversation about race right now because it is the viral OB talking point right now. The race card was very effective in dismissing HRC and it can be effective again. Axelr*d would not be trotting it out if he didn’t know something.
Here is a conversation I had with a woman, 50-ish, at an information booth outside of Denver last month. Obama supporter: ‘I watch MSNBC all the time. Olberm*n is a genius just like Walter Cronkite. I believe everything he says. We have to be Yellow Dog Democrats and support whoever the Democratic candidate is regardless of qualifications. (becoming angry) ‘The polling is not accurate because young people have cellphones instead of landlines so the polls aren’t measuring young people.’ (I found out later a few of them have polled cellphone numbers and the result is not different). (But why angry about polls?) ‘Hillary ran a disgusting racist campaign.’ (I ask for an example and none is forthcoming.)(Now so angry she can hardly speak.) ‘Hillary said Obama was selected because of his race. There, that’s an example.’ (I point out that was not said by Hillary but by Ferraro, who had to leave the campaign as a result of that remark.) (My informant is livid.) (Recklessly I ask if she thinks there is any truth to Ferraro’s assertion that Obama was selected because of his race. ) (She is speechless with rage.)( Conversation over.)
This conversation has bothered me for a long time because of the disconnect between the content of the conversation and the woman’s highly emotional reaction. Cognitive dissonance all over the place . She was clearly reacting to a subtext that I couldn’t hear. Axelr*d CAN hear this subtext and he knows how to use it for political gain. He has a long history of success with AA candidates in white neighborhoods. But what, what, what is that subtext?
Looking around the woman’s town it does sound exactly like Murphy’s description of a place where people don’t have to live daily with the racial realities I have to live with. Nice mountain town with whole foods coffee shops and WIFI. Not a black person or an Indian person or a foreign person in sight. No gang signs on the buildings. No burnt out buildings where someone of the wrong color (black OR white) had moved in and gotten chased out by arson (yes, I’ve been targeted for being white). But oh, yes, they know all about that nasty rac*sm stuff, how dare you even talk about it.
The race card isn’t an argument, it’s an emotion. How do you understand it, how do you keep someone from winning on it, and how do you get back to the issues?
snowtiger.. ive been to sacramento many times and it always seems like such a friendly town.. do you think maybe you are putting out bad vibes???
Fredie Brown – besides being on the blog , I have contacted my SOS and AG today regarding lawsuits from the caucus primaries here in Texas .
I have also sent out multi bulleted e-mails to my entire address book and the media . if you think of something else , I am more than happy to jump in with both feet !
All the controversies surrounding this election…all the injustices in the world….makes every day, for me, a struggle to find beauty and things to be grateful for in this life. When I am forced to look at the ugliness, I get depressed and when I get depressed….I don’t want to live in this world anymore. You all can have it.
#156 utahpuma
I would vote for Hillary even if she’s black just like I sent a letter to General Colin Powell two years ago to run for Presidential nomination.
Caracal…they are now known as the Anchorage, they along with all the other complexes, sunk to deplorable depths by using their little clause within the rental contracts to becoming Condo’s at any time. They as well as the Mansions and all the other complexes took advantage after Katrina.
They basically became Condo’s and if their tenants couldn’t handle that they were thrown to the streets. Well, now they are paying for it. Many people were desperate after Katrina and did what they had to do to secure a place, but now they can’t give them away. LOL, they are trying to sell a 600 sqft. “condo” for 168,000 dollars. How ridiculous is that???
Karma baby!!
I know how much you must miss the marina. After losing everything in Katrina I was mouthing off about moving, but when all was said and done I realized I love this place and can’t leave. As you know all of west Slidell was obliterated, but we have such great leaders in this parish that we came back quick!
Freddie Brown , I also sent Acorns Tx. info to the Ag’s office and asked them to investigate their activities and wheether or not their campaign was being financed in Tx. by Obama ..
#221 freddiebrown
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! WHAT IS OUR ACTION FOR TODAY. WHAT CAN WE DO?
Everytime I try to email or call TV Stations I get ignored.
Freddie, please, what should I do today. I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD TAKE AN ACTION EVERY DAY!
THANKS
#221 freddiebrown
Freddie, Idk about tohers but, I am sure we are all more active then sitting here “bloggin our mouths off”. Right now I am nvolved in two seperate projects with members here. Also I am out and about DAILY talking one on one with people .
Furthermore, this current blog is essential. The “O”camp is playing the race card. We need to counter and I fr or one, wnat to here what my fellow PUMAS are going to do and say. WHy? Because I can use their wisdom in helping with my own actions regarding this new phase. Race based politics is a minefield and I suggest you listen to what others have to say so you can navigate it.
ok im being ignored…i forgive u for the misstep…be back later yall!
225 snowtiger No kidding??? You had ME fooled!!! LMAO
I have had good and bad experiences with blacks and whites. My not supporting Nobama has nothing to do with his race, which is black AND white, and has everything to do with his allegiances, inexperience, and untrustworthiness. I don’t trust him, and that’s black AND white.
talking about health care
my son broke his wrist playing basketball in college, and bills paid by insurance co. were insane
I fell in last dic,in nycity, broke my wrist too, so far my insurance co have paid close to 10,000, this is mad
no society could stand this up
physicians and lawyers could not enrich themselves so easily when their profession is almost a social work
HILLARY HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO ON THIS
the ills afflicting HC goes back 30o 40yrs, the ins.co. doctors, hospitals and drug industries want to have a huge margins no matter what
HP Boston — wow, I know those streets personally and very well. But I’m afraid mixed neighborhoods like yours went away a long time ago. They are starting to make a comeback in parts of Boston again, thank god.
Freddie — dont fret. Everyone here is doing everything they can. We can spend time talking about issues of substance not because they “make us feel intellectually superior” but because they matter deeply to us and are at the heart of what motivates us to vote for and support good political leaders.
Our biggest commitment is to democratic principles and the rehabilitation of the American citizen as an active and voting participant in the process.
We will defeat Obama on November 4th, there is no doubt. But we will defeat him with principles, not prejudice.
That being said, I guess I should send out a PROWL huh??
233 TexasTigress Yes you are and I’m sending out your email
Also, I posted one of my responses concerning Texas Voting Fraud.
242 heysandy – Well said !
Hey, Pumas.
I have not had the opportunity to read this entire thread yet, but thank you Murphy, pumasupporter, TexasTigress, indy, kat in your hat, Caracal Carrie and others for your insights and stories. I hope to read everyone’s thoughts on this.
My take – I am a white Southerner in an area of the world where racist white people actually think they can get away with using the n word in conversation, creating a hostile work environment, telling racist jokes (that’s okay as long as you have isolated the black employee so he can’t overhear, even though he knows you are talking about him because all of the white people are snickering and glancing over at the isolated black employee).
Racism lives down here, and sometimes it is “genteel” – the condescension from otherwise good white people – and sometimes it is an ugly fetid squirming thing. I know a white young man who actually says it is “evil” for people of different races to procreate together. I said, you really believe that? And he said, yeah. All I could say was “wow.” I didn’t think I could be shocked, but I was. AAAGGHHHH
I have been a lawyer specializing in employment discrimination law for 13 years. I have represented both sides. I have seen good people wrongly accused of racist decision-making, and I have seen good people discriminated against simply because of their skin color.
Obama insults the dignity of the survivors of racism and hatred by acting as if he is a victim. He is among the privileged regardless of race. I was open to Obama, even though I was a Hillary supporter, at the beginning, because of his mixed race heritage. I was inspired that we had such a historic primary race. But soon I realized he was an empty suit. And now I continue to be disappointed in him – he can’t even lead his own party. Why would he refuse to share money with down ticket Dems? He is a hypocrite of the highest order.
Thanks again, Murphy, for this topic.
gypsy where is your response ? Is it from the SOS and it says ” Blah , Blah , Blah , As far as we know, all the pending litigation regarding the enforcement of party rules at these conventions has been resolved, and we are not aware of any new lawsuits.” ???? Thats what I got ..
I would have voted for collin powell, no matter what party he would have been in
#246 TexasTigress
Thank you. That’s the bottom line with me.
#232 osaka puma
Osaka, I think you misinterpreted my post. Most peopel just didnt really care. AA women were impressed and other guys just thought it was “A score” that a good looking woman gave me her card. There was no real conflict. I was just trying to show the different responses in a potentially racially charged situation.
The one dirty look was the only one.
Like I siad there is a lot in that event .
Black Theology
That church is not based on christian principles, it is based on black theology. Christian theology accepts all nationalitys,races and sexes. People are prejudiced,not God.
In Heaven there are no denominations…….only sinners saved by His grace, which acts as love to all people of every tongue and tribe and nation.
250 heysandy – that should be everyone’s bottom line .
#241 Alice1943
LOL. (sticks tounge out at Alice)
248 TexasTigress – Yep, that’s what the email says – It’s gotta be a lie!! I received that one back today.
#249 storytellers
I owuld never vote for anyone who describes them self as a “Rockefeller Republican”.
Ok since I have bad mouthed this place so much , I should tell you that it is beautiful here , and I have to look at it as an opportunity to make a difference . Isn’t that what we all want to do anyway ? Make a difference ? You can’t do that unless you are given the opportunity , so I am grateful ..
dragonfly!! I’ve been thinking of you and hoping you’d make a landing soon.
I think our silence on the issue is paralyzing and absolutely precludes changing the culture in the “fetid”places you and others have described.
you said, “Obama insults the dignity of the survivors of racism and hatred by acting as if he is a victim. He is among the privileged regardless of race.”
I couldnt agree more.
Obviously I am not talking about race today, but here is something to worry about in NEVADA.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/22/poll-nevada-voters-blame-gop-bailouts/
#231 Nijma
Excellent post. You are right. This an emotionally based issue.
We must think on an emotional level to succeed here.
freddiebrown is right
Just got back from the McCain office, they are really worried here in NC. Really worried. Anyway spent the morning with them helping. I know some here dont like McCain discussion (clearly reflected yesterday on the blog) BUT the only way to beat Ob is to support his strongest opponent like it or not. This is off topic, I know. But freddiebrown is right.
I mean my God Fox was showing Bo’s rally today, wtf. I think Fox is becoming a little Bo friendly.
Hey Ario,
I caught what you said, I think you asked a valid question and hope Osaka responds.
Have a good day.
I don’t care for McCaskill but I would like to know how she increased her worth 24% in a year. This is from The 50 Richest Members of Congress – Roll Call http://www.rollcall.com/features/Guide-to-Congress_2008/guide/28506-1.html?type=printer_friendly14. Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) $19.42 million
McCaskill watched her net worth grow in 2007, increasing more than 24 percent over her estimated $15.66 million total in 2006.
Among McCaskill’s major assets: approximately 270 limited partnerships in affordable housing real estate and a handful of “enterprise trust investment funds” held by her husband that showed a combined increase of approximately $2.7 million in value from last year.
Her spouse purchased a Kansas City, Mo., housing bond listed in the “over $1 million” category.
The Senator’s husband also identified a loan of at least $1 million, the only liability listed by the couple, from Enterprise Bank.
Here we are talking about race…and that damn ‘bailout’ is going to destroy what’s left of this country. Won’t matter a damn bit WHO is POTUS.
Then our coversation will be about ‘poverty’ and ‘destitution…..in America.
Where is the protest? Is everyone so worried about their investments and 401(k) that they will let America go down the tubes?
None of the candidates have a clue what to do about it. And they want to be our ‘leaders’.
AH! I have been away from the computer since this morning and then here is this post for today!
#234 Alice1943
Please don’t be discouraged. Yes, there is ugliness, but there is far more beauty. We each do our part every day to plant the seeds of kindness that will allow us all to prosper. Think of a small thing, a small interaction, that brought joy to someone. That kind of happiness spreads. I once did nothing more than open a door for an older lady at a pharmacy and she said, “you must have been a Girl Scout.”
Yes, I was! We all have our good deed to do each day.
That is what blots out the ugliness and evil spread by those full of fear, hatred, and greed. It is a small, seemingly meaningless thing, but when we work together, we do accomplish great things.
Is it time to PROWL again, Murph?
#259 catsarepumas
We need to get out that MCAin was stalled in hod esire to oversee the mrgtage companies by both republicans and democrats and that “O” received all that money from Fannie mae and freddie Mac. We can turn this into a big win.
MCAin the Maverick, being stopped from doing what is right ,”O” the fraud taking money.
Slam dunk if we play it right.
#221 freddiebrown on 09.22.08 at 1:43 pm
SO, THE QUESTION REMAINS, WHAT THE DAMN HELL ARE ALL OF US DOING TODAY !!! TO STOP OBAMA? !!! More Talk ? More BLOG ?
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I have to agree with this one Freddiebrown. I am so done with just talking on the blog and am more interested in the action aspect. Maybe because in June we all were thrilled to meet others of like minds, we vented, hugged and made friends. (New people to the site might be going though this now on the blog) But those of us that have worked so hard to make our numbers heard don’t need to vent and ponder but de-rail the O’train.
What am I doing today besides working at my job, I am gathering and making flyers to take a road trip with Greenfun and Goandersen to Nevada and rock their world. They had a caucus in their state and the corruption is on the caucus website, I am planning to introduce them to it.
#264 Alice1943 – I thought Hillary’s speech and action plan had it right on the financial crisis. Did you see that?
Besides , I have never laughed so much in my life as I have here ! Not just at honey bees chasing me or at the track athletes showing up at meets in shorts and cowboy boots or at the strange names my neighbors have for things . This place is just FUNNY to me . Take for instance the first time I went to a gay bar in East Texas … If you can picture John Wayne ( cowboy hat and all ) singing a Patsy Cline song -’Crazy” -karaoke while gazing lovingly at the Marlboro man , you’ll understand why I almost peed on myself …
Kat in your hat is right. We should not be afraid to talk about race when we have been thrown into this discussion by the DNC candidate.
He has used this issue to send millions of Americans on a guilt trip in order to promote his candidacy.
He used it against Hillary and against Bill and is using it against everybody in subliminal way.
Why is the topic so sensitive?
Should we vote for an inexperienced candidate just because we want to prove we are not racists or simply because we think we owe the black community for all the injustices and atrocities committed against them?
We can be fair and not be racist without voting for Obama. We can and most end discrimination against blacks, Latinos, Asian, Jews etc without feeling constrained to vote for Obama.
Instead of uniting the country Obama has divided the country precisely because he has used the race card so many times.
I wouldn’t vote for Obama not because he is black, I don’t care about that. I wouldn’t vote for him even If I could because he is a skilled liar and not trustworthy. Because he does not respect women, he has shown contempt against the nation and was a member of a church that preaches hatred against America and whites.
Hatred is wrong no matter what you think that has been done to you.
I wouldn’t vote for him because he thinks that he is entitled just because he is black. He is arrogant, petulant, insufferable, and snobbish. He has friends of the likes of Rezko and Wright and people who have bombed and committed terrorist acts in America.
Because he has made people believe he is the One, the Messiah, the Savior, when he has never done anything for anybody not even his impoverished brother that lives in Kenya. If he doesn’t help his own family how can anyone expect him to help anybody else?
And lastly because I believe with all my heart that Obama and his followers are dangerous.
#264 Alice1943
If “o” nd company are going to start playing the race card we had better have a strategy.
IDk about anyone else but, I get a lot of ideas and talking points here. It’s not just a “love fest” imho.
McCain has rights to worry about NC
The Dead Registering To Vote? Gonna Try An Steal This Huh Obots?
Vote Fraud Experts ACORN Resurrecting Dead in North Carolina
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
I’ve lived in the suburbs of Philly and the inner city in Kansas. During the race riots of the sixties I remember
hiding in a bread truck to get home.
Dr MLK stood on biblical principle to bring about the change people of color needed. There was however the fringe group who believed that all white people deserved to be punished for slavery, thus the Black Panther movement had plenty of disciples.
Black Liberation Theology is born out of the black rage riots of the sixties.It promotes fear in white as well as
people of color that honor MLK.
The bible says God is love,and salvation is to all races creeds and nations and tribes.To the poverty stricken and the wealthiest on earth.
Anyway I go to go. Will bbl.
Freddiebrown and BillieJo
I have been putting together an email/FAX to the state Dems and Repubs in WA,OR,NV,SD,CO,NM, I can’t remember them all (I’m at work)
Anyway, I had asked much earlier about contacts for the NV Dems as there is no email or FAX for them.
Do you have that info?
I’m with you – Action speaks louder than words right now.
snow – it can’t be a love fest without chickens !
#244 murphy
That being said, I guess I should send out a PROWL huh??
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The more prowls the better Murphy. Unified prowls get more attention then a few of us working one together. We will do that too, but mass prowls against the PovertyPimp is what we need to do as often as we can. Multiple times a day works for me if you have time Murphy. Thanks.
I REALLY FEEL SOOOO POWERLESS TODAY. NOBODY IS LISTENING, THE MEDIA, IDIOTS, ARE NOT REPORTING THE TRUTHS, THE MCCAIN CAMP AREN’T FIGHTING AS HARD AS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, THE ECONOMY ISSUE IS SUCH BS TALK FOR OBLAHMA! I CANNOT BELIEVE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY BUYING INTO THIS……
I AM VERY UPSET AND FRUSTRATED TODAY………….:(
Been away and out of lurking distance for awhile. This article caught my eye, and I thought I would share. It has to do with Great Britain now recognizing Muslim Sharia Law.
Muslim women abused by their husbands can protest all they want. They send the husbands to anger management classes and the marriage stays together. Right. Like this will solve everything.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2957428/Sharia-law-courts-operating-in-Britain.html
Let’s hope that the U.S. will never uphold Sharia Law.
PovertyPimp??!!!!!
just too good BillyJo
Obama is endorsed by the Black Panthers as well as other radical Black groups.
My question “is Obama endorsed by MLK groups as well”?
This is interesting
Like many Americans with deep roots in this country, Obama has ancestors who were slave owners. But unlike many African Americans, he is not known to have any who were slaves.
Obama definitely has presidential timber in his family tree: He’s distantly related to three U.S. presidents — Harry S Truman, George W. Bush and George Herbert Walker Bush — as well as to Vice President Dick Cheney.
He is related To president George Bush………..Wow
http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/548552,CST-NWS-otreemain09.article
You know why obama flipflops so much because he has no peace in his heart,he wars against himself every time he aligns with the black part of him,which is actually the smallest part of him. His mother was White,his father was only one third African and he was two thirds Arabic.
#276 utahpuma on 09.22.08 at 2:12 pm
Freddiebrown and BillieJo
I have been putting together an email/FAX to the state Dems and Repubs in WA,OR,NV,SD,CO,NM, I can’t remember them all (I’m at work)
Anyway, I had asked much earlier about contacts for the NV Dems as there is no email or FAX for them.
Do you have that info?
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I have nothing but this is on their website:
http://www.nvdems.com/contact/
We are just getting started in this 3 PUMA prowl, Greenfun just proposed it yesterday.
In this crucial time, 43 days more to go before, the BEST thing anyone can do is to GO OUT (not alone) and knock door to door. You can go to McCain HQ near you, if you’re supporting McCain and get flyers to distribute door to door together with PUMA PAC flyers. I have to do that this Wednesday with other volunteers. Bear in mind also people hate flyers full of texts. I use two faces of NObama, it is short and direct to the point. It makes people think which is the outcome you wanted to have.
Always go out with a partner to distribute flyers, do NOT do it alone, think of SAFETY FIRST. Be ready also to answer questions, do NOT lose your coolness.
@279: mimi
McCain camp just issues statement that the NY Times is 150% in the tank for Obama, and that while the media is trying to investigate Sarah Palin, they have not done so as far as Obama is concerned–and they called them out for not looking into Obama’s Chicago background and those he associated with.
They also brought up the “adtroturfing” on youtube (fake grass movement) video of Palin, when it was Axelrod’s people who put out the video.
That was just on Fox News. So, the McCain camp is fighting back.
#273 john
I met the lady who oversaw Washington County NC primary voting. She said it was terrible, she worked for the DNC. Many AA were voting more than once. BUT the DNC decided ‘they didnt know better’ and didnt want to embarrass the AA community not with an AA candidate. They allowed it to happen. She quit the DNC.
I am a naturalized US citizen. My first vote in a US election went to Jesse Jackson, in 1988. I felt it was time to fix the racial inequality. That was my historic vote, a radical vote, even though I did not agree on his policies. I would gladly vote for Colin Powell (a reasonable person), or Condoleeza Rice (a woman!), but I will NEVER vote for Obama. He just gives me the creeps. The charisma factor he rides on is downright dangerous. Nobody knows what he believes in. He’s the blank slate that everyone projects their wishes and dreams on. He is backed by a huge machine, the Chicago machine of present-day thugs, former terrorists, Daley hegemony, Axelrod’s “astroturf” ads, and Oprah’s church of women. Plus all the naive college-age idealists who dislike their country, thinking it’s better somewhere else. I supported Hillary, for she had the right ideas, she was trustworthy, and she was closer to the center, where the most reasonable ideas live to fruition. I wanted to cast, this time, my historic vote for a woman, being a woman myself, and I plan to do just that this November, even if I don’t agree with everything the woman candidate personally believes. I do believe she loves her country–and I can’t say the same about Obama. Everything he says, or his wife says, points to the contrary.
#281 1gypsy4mc on 09.22.08 at 2:15 pm
PovertyPimp??!!!!!
just too good BillyJo
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I stole it from Ario, and owned it.
The full name is SlickRick the PovertyPimp.
New video
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=7KEoNYpxodA
Asian4Hillary — thanks for the info — very true.
Just for the record, however — I, for one, NEVER lose my coolness.
279 mimi1020 I can relate.
#239 snowtiger-Very well said. Good job.
#182 Murphy: Not entirely. You agree on some things, like that service year. Their’s sounds like a draft, though. But, while there is some overlap, no, it is not the same list. And there is zero poverty focus in it. I’m not done reading it, but it’s reading like the same old arrogant bullshit we-know-what’s-best-for-you crap we’ve seen from republicans for years. The Plan is very like ta verbiage-ridden version of The Contract with America.
#279 mimi1020 on 09.22.08 at 2:12 pm
I REALLY FEEL SOOOO POWERLESS TODAY. NOBODY IS LISTENING, THE MEDIA, IDIOTS, ARE NOT REPORTING THE TRUTHS, THE MCCAIN CAMP AREN’T FIGHTING AS HARD AS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, THE ECONOMY ISSUE IS SUCH BS TALK FOR OBLAHMA! I CANNOT BELIEVE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY BUYING INTO THIS……
I AM VERY UPSET AND FRUSTRATED TODAY………….:(
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We have all have those days, for sure.
Don’t be sad, get mad and put that frustration to work by fighting against the Obama machine.
Thecandypoem, thanks for your honesty. Many would not admit to making a radical vote, though I’m sure many of us have. The errors of our youth are tremendous, but it is what we learn along the way that counts.
What scares me is that the Bo and his Bots are taking advantage of the vulnerability of the misguided youth.
#290 murphy
Just for the record, however — I, for one, NEVER lose my coolness.
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I agree, you held your coolness with Hardballs and I take my hat off to you for that.
LOL…I know I don’t say much, but maybe it is time for a new thread with prowls!! This discussion has been fantastic, but PUMAs need to prowl and there are things going on that need to be addressed. I see PUMAs worrying and needing to do something towards our cause. This moron from Iran in our country needs to hear from us along with the MSM, polling issues, etc.
Murphy, I think it is a great idea to put an issue forth in the early hours that we can discuss like this one and I hope you do it more often!!
The White Liberals can afford these ideologies because they live in their safe neighborhoods, and suburbs. They send their children to private schools.
The rich, and the “filthy rich” White Americans are concerned about how to keep and maintain their wealth.
The mediocre whites are not engaged, don’t care about furthering their own education, and are only looking for the government to care of them.
Liber White guilt can easily be used to manipulate white voters.
It is the Working Class Americans who have to live it, and send their children to public schools.
The Working Class White Americans shouldn’t feel guilty nor or they racist if they don’t vote for him.
They should continue to be informed about their candidates, educated about their government, and vote for who is the best qualified candidate.
Continue life-long learning and teach their children to strive for work ethics, and higher education to solve the problems that exist within our country, and the global community.
I have to go take care of some things but will be back later.
#247 Dragonfly
My take – I am a white Southerner in an area of the world where racist white people actually think they can get away with using the n word in conversation, creating a hostile work environment, telling racist jokes (that’s okay as long as you have isolated the black employee so he can’t overhear, even though he knows you are talking about him because all of the white people are snickering and glancing over at the isolated black employee).
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If you change white to black and replace the whispers with shouts, it sound to me like the Rev. Wright’s church where Senator Obama took 2 innocent children. What can be taught in a place like that but hate and racial bias.
Black liberation theology is hogwash. It is a lame but very dangerous excuse to find the “enemy” and heap all of a people’s anger, frustration, disappointment and despair onto “those people.” I can find no difference from black liberation theology and the Hitler youth movement, the KKK movement and all the other terrorist movements. Identify the enemy and your work is done, then you can blow them up one school bus at a time. That is so much easier than actually improving the public schools, providing good health care, ensuring the possibility of a decent job, improving public housing, fighting crime etc. Nah, hatred is so much easier and so much more fun.
And the leaders get rich!
Another thing, PLEASE BRING SCOTCH TAPE. If nobody is home, just tape your flyers to their door, you don’t want the wind to blow it away.
A FEW WORDS ON RACE
I grew up in my safe white world starved for what so many fear. The sights, the colors the sounds…of people talking glibly in a language I do not understand. It is better not to eavesdrop on their conversation. I just wanted to hear the melody of their speech so not like mine and see the artistry of their faces and colors, in contrast and diversity. I have never been out of the country. It is all here. That is the beauty of America. That is the strength of America, a huge pool of talent and diversity.
The Bush Administration has been like a dark cloud of right wing white male autonomy that has overshadowed our diversity and drained the strength from America. They have disempowered Americans by limiting the elite talent pool to THEM.
On cue with Bushes election, the courts have stopped enforcing our rights. Unless you are an elite white male, you have been screwed over for the last eight years and a lot of people are really mad. Beat down and mad! Do we need to argue about who is more so?
And who do you think Obama is? Is he black? Is he white? Is he Christian? Is he Muslim? Is he straight? Is he gay? Is he a Socialist? Marxist? Capitalist? Is he a foreign or natural born citizen?
Yes. Obama morphs into whoever he needs to be to suite his needs at the moment. Is he capable of being the President of the United States? No. Was George W. Bush? No. Puppets! Barack Obama has been marketed as a symbol of diversity. Everybody loves the idea of Obama. But what he is, in fact, is a front for leftist autonomist white males. Oh, THEY will allow some diversity, as long as they are in charge. So did Bush.
THEY chose Obama because THEY knew how starved America was to embrace its own diversity. He is their pawn and their puppet, an empty suit for the leftist bosses as Bush was for the right wing bosses. He is the carrot in front of the jackass looking for freedom and equality. You know, the masses are asses. Just ask George Soros, on of the biggest boss of all. Exploitation!
If Obama were what he would like us to believe, race relations would have improved behind his election. MLK would have known how to do that. Instead we see hostile, in your face, name calling, insulting intimidation. And it comes from Obama and his staff.
Obama is biracial and will favor whichever racial identity suites his needs at the moment. He has incited African Americans against whites to get votes. He has thrown Reverend Wright and his former church under the bus to get white votes. He may declare himself a Christian, but it does not seem to me like he practices it. He lied about also having some Muslim upbringing. And his distain for women is more typically considered Muslim. He has made slips about his Muslim Religion. His Christian church of 20 years promoted white hatred. How did he learn about being a Christian?
Obama’s experience level and qualifications are questionable. He has incited racial hostilities to get votes. He has lied about his religious upbringing. And all this is to say nothing about the role sexism has played. I know racism is real, but do not blame Obama’s failure to get elected on racism. He has said so himself.
“If I’m talking about the issues that matter to people, if we do a good job in letting people know who I am and what I stand for … they’ll make their judgment not based on my race but based on how well they think I can lead this country,” Obama told USA TODAY. http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-02-09-obama-focus_x.htm
Bill Cosby’s famous “Pound Cake” speech on race
http://www.eightcitiesmap.com/transcript_bc.htm
I’m at work and I can’t comment for too long, but I was turned off early on in the primary when the BO people accused Hillary and Bill of being racist. I had heard the entire speeches and no one could have misconstrued what either of them said as being racist. It seemed to me that whenever anyone criticized BO, they were labelled as such. That’s when I began to believe that BO was dangerous. If he should be president, will there then be more censorship than there already is? What has happened to our “free” society?
#284 Asian4Hillary
THX Asian4hillary, I will be campaigning for McCain this weekend and I like the idea of also passing out truth flyers about Oblahma.
Do you have a copy of what you pass out?
Please overlook the typos.
Murphy :
With due respect, speaking for myself, I know that there will be time enough for as you call it, ” democratic principles and the rehabilitation of the American citizen “. Lets rehabilitate after this battle is won otherwise our work would be cut out for us for the next 8 years when Obama is elected.
Murphy: We will defeat Obama on November 4th, there is no doubt.
FreddieB: If that is what your gut tells you – then I feel envious of your mental optimism. I am a realist and a very frustrated one because we have so many Pumas here it seems only a handful are consistently motivated to do something substantial outside of blog . I JUST DON’T THINK WE ARE HUNGRY ENOUGH !
However, I do appreciate people that posted what they have done.
#305 mimi1020
Here’s the URL
http://www.pumapac.org/docs/MadLogic%20MDPUMA%202faceOb_2_withBlue.jpg
#294 BillieJo
Maybe this might help, just a tad. I saw on Fox where McCain and nobo are doing ALOT of ads and McCain is blasting alot of things about nobo but they are very targeted ads. So, although we aren’t seeing them, they are appearing in a few states, hot and heavy. Latest McCain ad is about nobo and his associations. McCain is also coming out hard to the NYT about being in the tank for nobo. He has started hitting nobo about sending all these people to investigate Governor Palin but no one (i.e. NYT, et al) are not doing ANY investigating about nobo and his Chicago background and associations and the McCain camp are P.O.’ed.
Hope this cheers you up a bit. Always enjoy your posts. You are such a huge asset here.
There is supposed to ba a segment on O’reilly about obama and ayers – I think it’s tonight …
About the McCain Energy Bill. McCain was for oil drilling, NObama was against it, now he is for it. Talking about FLIPFLOPS, he’s downright opportunist to the nth degree!
#308 Asian4Hillary
THANKS!
Before contributing to Clinton, my only other political contribution was to a woman (who happens to be biracial) running for local office. Working as an adult educator in computer/ jobs training, I’ve dealt with mostly female students of all races who just want to get off welfare and perceive office work as a step up from retail and factory work. As a whole, they were dedicated to making things better for themselves and their children.
In the primary some people voted against Obama because of his race. However, there are people who voted against Hillary Clinton because of a) her race and b) her gender so I would say Clinton was doubly handicapped. I voted against Obama because he is incompetent, divisive, and has been cynically “merchandised” for voter consumption. The Obamas themselves merchandised their two innocent daughters on Access Hollywood as part of the “package”. This is a reprehensible deification of “celebrity” in a very sick society.
The class conflicts within society are as divisive as race and gender. Both Democrat and Republican power-brokers, aided and abetted by the MSM, have contempt for lower/working/middle class. This is a time for all of us to re-examine our ideologies and allegiances, and maybe, just maybe, form a more perfect and inclusive United States in spite of leaders at the top who are highly invested in keeping us divided.
Okay, I just have to get one rant in for the books.
I just got this mass email from the graduate school where I work, goes to all professors, all staff and all students in our building…my guess is it’s a few thousand folks. The email is from a professor. I started to write back a mass email reply sending the caucus website to them and saying I would go reply to the poll if educated people would take the time to read some of this research and let me know what they think.
It is all I can do to hold myself back, but I know my job would be at risk and not worth it………….. Gurrrrrr!
The forwarded note below includes a link to a poll on whether Sarah Palin is qualified to be vice president. As the note indicates it takes about 5 seconds to get to the link and cast your vote. Let your voice be heard!
-Alan
*Please let PBS know! NOW is doing a web survey on whether Palin is fit for office*
Only took me a couple seconds to go to the site, vote and forward thisemail. Please DO IT! And forward this to your friends. 52%
of the votes were “yes” when I voted.
PBS has a short video on Sarah Palin on their website. Also included is a poll that asks: Is Sarah Palin qualified to be VP?
You don’t have to give your name or email address in order to vote. It’s very simple.
Here’s the link:
http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html
Whatever happened to NLee and his/her great videos?
#309 diva2
Hope this cheers you up a bit. Always enjoy your posts. You are such a huge asset here.
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It does cheer me up, been waiting for the big tanks to start rolling over the PovertyPimp.
I enjoy your posts too.
Hillstheone, my letter to cnn.
Campbell Brown
Roland Martin
I am writing to express my astonishment at the intellectual dishonesty you and cnn are displaying in your overtly bias reporting during this election cycle. I am a lifelong democrat and an avid watcher of your network, sadly I must report that I am distancing myself from the two above mentioned groups. This election cycle has opened my eyes to many things, firstly the attempt to propel an unqualified democratic candidate to the highest office in our great land and secondly the lack of professional and accurate reporting.
Cnn reports on a daily basis of the energy that surrounds the democratic party and their selected nominee, I would ask you, what of the millions of others left in bewilderment, shock and melancholy over the highjacking of a party that espouses the very principles of DEMOCRACY, a party that as of late has thwarted those priciples in favor of a new PARTY, a new and greater party that obviously believes that the true DEMOCRATS are disposable out of touch voters that are no longer needed or wanted. I implore you to rethink your stance within this new democratic party, I would also urge you to rethink your view of the supposed old democratic party and it’s very voters that are sure to decide this election!
I assume that the underreporting of Senator Obama’s less than stellar associates, Rev.Wright, Mr. Rezko, Mr. Ayers and the wonderfully fraudulent group ACORN is widely ignored as a way to insure a smooth path to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Need I remind you that your news channel is not the one and only source of news these days, in fact many bitter, gun-toting, God loving people are turning to alternative news agencies. The american public are not as easily manipulated as one might think, we are doing our homework and we will not continue to be duped by a 24 hour news cycle. From caucus fraud to sexism, black liberation theology to flip-flopping, we are tuning in and tuning you out. I and many others like me will not continue to allow you to dictate what we feel are the important issues of this election, we the people decide, not you the media. Please be informed that I and many others will be boycotting cnn and it’s sponsors, this will continue until such a time arises that you decide to report the news, not create or manipulate it to further your agenda.
Sicerely,
Puma democrat
Toledo,Ohio
Reverse my #311 post……Jesus my eyes is going bananas! Printing and reading blog.
Please vote in this South Carolina TV Station poll – right now McCain is leading in the poll but in actual State Polls – its C L O S E McCain 51 – BO – 45
Thanks
http://www.wciv.com/#
Osaka Puma – I have quietly suffered your post for quite a while. Please put your verbal skills into motivating my fellow Pumas to do something today and every day. Tell them what you have done and use your ACTIONS to motivate others and each other.
WE NEED TO BE HUNGRY !!!
Whether you like CNN or not, all news media has some bias – that does not mean that CNN is consistently wrong. Those that don’t like a certain station, it is because we don’t like what we hear. We can’t keep our heads in the sand because we don’t like what we hear.
I SUGGEST WE HEAR IT LOUD AND CLEAR, OBAMA IS LEADING !!!! PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
BBL. My eyes is playing monkey! I have to buy MORE ink!
OK people. Popped back in for a min.
Whats with all this depression crap?
Gee, the MSM is reporting things are going bo’s way. WOW.
The “polls” are showing a tightening of the race? In bos favor?
WOW.
Seems we saw all this before. Anyone remember how “BO” was supposed to destroy Hllary according the polls? Anyone remember that the MSM is in the tank for that clown?
Showing his rallys? Are they showing the concerts too?
Cmon peeps. We saw alll this before. Diffrnece beingthat the repubs aren’t going to stand by or worse cocoperate with the “O’ team. the way the dems did. Oh and Ithink we saw the race card once before as well.
We are going to win this.
Keep the faith.
GO watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oajdDnYDnwM
221 freddiebrown on 09.22.08 at 1:43 pm
SO, THE QUESTION REMAINS, WHAT THE DAMN HELL ARE ALL OF US DOING TODAY !!! TO STOP OBAMA? !!! More Talk ? More BLOG ?
I suppose the more intellectual the discussion, the better we feel about our own knowledge -
Read the CNN article from today below and tell me if we have ANY URGENCY AT ALL ?
Ya, lets sit here and blog our mouth off, so my fellow PUMAs can pat each other and say what an enlightened,intelligent , eloquent fair minded Puma we all are.
The polls are at tipping point every where. WHAT ARE WE DOING ? WHAT IS AMERICAN WHITE GUILT DOING to prevent Obama from being our President?
THEY ARE GETTING INTO OUR FACES !! Lets just go home and complain about it on the blog… it is a safe and welcoming place with familiar pen names.. the Pumas will send hugs and make it all better
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How extraordinarily condescending of you. (Against the rules of this blog, btw). I’m sure Murphy had good reason to initiate this topic and encourage focused discussion. I don’t know what her reasons were, but I, for one was glad to see it for several reasons.
What I would say to you is, you are not the boss of me.
You do not own this blog. Jumping in and screaming insults at us based on your personal, limited assumptions, is not only disruptive and rude, it’s uncalled for. If you’ve been around you know what puma pac pumas have been doing to guarantee the goal of defeating obama.
Please remember, unlike you, not all of us have the funds to pay other pumas to do our prowls, actions, and take care of other items for us, so we require an occasional rest.
Now this is scary: Pelosi has a shot at being the first female POTUS…….tell me it isn’t so.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7626471.stm
#300 MamaPuma
you are so right
and that is why this underground radical movement(the poverty pimp) has so may resemblances with fascism and stalinism
Some more thoughts about race/power/religion/Chicago politics in no particular order:
1) I would hate to be judged on what is said from the pulpit of my church. I don’t always agree with it but go there to be challenged. But I would not stick around in a place that had hate speech either.
2) TUCC (OB’s former church) is successful because it works. The black panthers works. Farrakhan’s nation of islam works. The threat of the fist in the air works. How may clinics were there in the poor black neighborhoods before the threat of violence? I don’t have health insurance. The public health clinic I go to was established by the black panthers. Personally I think we have now moved beyond this type of politics, but I can’t prove it. The paradigm and its momentum is still out there.
3) A while back I heard a speech by a Chicago AA educator where he said ‘Who will rob you? Not a person who is educated in our program; the person who finishes high school is not the one who will shoot you; the person who has a job is not the one who will commit crimes; the person who is in our program is not the one that will rape you.’ Yes, he said that. Fund our program or you will be the victim of crime? Or is he just speaking truth. (So why was there so much security all over the building?)( see point #2 that physical threats work)
3.1) In the same speech he said the program was there for blacks, Hispanics and poor whites. (The rich whites moved to the suburbs long ago looking for good schools and safe streets.) You see where the demographic lines are beginning to be drawn.
4) Why didn’t you see 19 million Hillary buttons and bumper stickers?
5.0) If you remember your women’s history, blacks got the vote long before women. The reason–activist women decided slavery was the greater evil and put their resources to defeating slavery first. After slavery was abolished, the AA groups the suffragists had helped refused to help them. At the time, there was a great sense of betrayal.
5.1) Je sse Jack son Sr. has been standing up on the podium at Opera tion Pu sh and saying ‘we don’t need any more equality for women’. Women already have enough equality. He stood up on the stage at the recent discrimination symposium with Richardson and Conyers and said that. I was going to blog about it but couldn’t find any studies or hard statistics about women’s wages to make my point.
So what I get out of all these Chicago undercurrents is that there are limited resources, a zero sum game. There have to be winners and there have to be losers. (I have heard Hillary speak several times and she includes everyone–the political and economic tide that floats ALL ships).
With Obama at the head of the country, blacks will be the only ones to get those resources. Women will only get resources incidentally as a trickle down from the program specifically structured to target black males (like my health care clinic where I am in the 1% of whites) or if they are a part of the black males’ nuclear families. (yes, when BO talks about “family values”, he’s talking about people with young children, not people on social security, or widows, or retirees). People who are not young or male or do not have small children are simply not on his radar.
Just went and voted #319 Rodham in Flag
Ralph Nader
4%
Barack Obama
31%
Bob Barr
2%
John McCain
63%
Total: 4982 votes
Gallup is showing BO/McCain at 48%/44%. They do breakdowns by race and gender also. Generally around 90% of all blacks vote for Obama. http://www.gallup.com/poll/108040/Candidate-Support-Race.aspx
The most recent stats on the gender breakdown are mysterously missing from that summary for the last week.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/108022/Candidate-Support-Gender.aspx
There is also a breakdown by gender amongst whites.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/108031/Candidate-Support-Gender-Among-Whites.aspx
But not amongst any other race.
You know, I wanted to say that I had a professor who thought of himself as a civil rights / racial equality professor (as many University professors do). He poured it on and weaved his white guilt lib dialogue into nearly every class lesson.
This is not something I mind in general–I have taken women’s studies courses (which is partially a study on race); I have taken African-American Literature courses; African-American History courses, and many sociology courses, etc. So, I have had that kind of dry education on race–but at different points in my life, I’ve also lived in black neighborhoods, lived with black people, worked with black people, gone to school in a largely black school, on and on. I mean, I live in NYC and take the buses and subway all the time. I am not in any way buffered from the most society in the world.
So anyway, I had this professor who was all about talking about black people and how white people ought to make a conscious effort to give them more chances than white people, and how it was our duty, to always look out for blacks then and in the future if we are to ever be in a position of direct power.
This would make for some uncomfortable classes, afterall, black people would get embarrassed by this, and overall it came across to us younger people as very racist. To think…white people had to be the mommies and daddies of blacks because they couldn’t do anything on their own merit.
Some days he would tear up while discussing the historic facts of racism in America, but then he never acknowledged black achievement and progress–only focused on the victimology of a culture in the sense that none of them were free and all were oppressed. In some senses this can be true, I personally think a lot of it is a mindset that is often developed in a separatist culture (this “culture” can exist only in one’s home) but it is NOT a good way to see the world, even if there are instances of truth there.
In my mind, this professor’s white lib guilt turned into a daily boast of white power. Everyday: blacks are victims and weak, and white people are in charge to help them with work, school and life…because they are not our equals.
All of his stories about the 60’s, when he was supposedly raging against a racist society became BUNK. The more I learned about him, the more I lost respect for him. The man grew up very wealthy in Greenwich, Conn, and then moved to Park Avenue, right across from Central Park. He DROVE to work, which is needless in NYC. But he DROVE–he didn’t even mingle in society by taking the subway, and he lived closeby!
It became amazing to me. Anyway, I really have very little patience for white guilt libbers, especially wealthy ones. I can imagine them at the cocktail parties, shaking their heads and appearing to be personally offended by Jim Crow laws, and how they discuss Darfur, but in the next moment…they’ll talk about the new awful playwright on off-Broadway with the same seriousness.
These people are JOKES in our society. The liberal elite. The white guilt libbers. These people are rarely elbow to elbow with black people in the day to day daily grind. Sure, they may volunteer somewhere and then feel like they are very good people…but then they will use it as a talking point…for YEARS: I went to X borough and helped to pick up litter from an abandoned lot. That’s NICE, but then they go home to Park Avenue and go to their dinner parties of all white people and talk about Langston Hughes–while never even knowing what it’s like to live in the summers without AC, or to hear gunshots at night as normal, or to wait for hours in sleet and ice rain waiting for a bus, or to spend life always waiting for a check or waiting for some bureaucratic step to be fulfilled in order to get through school or get the lights turned back on.
Meanwhile, some of those examples are just “poor” or “working class” examples and not necessarily black, but those white guilt libbers aren’t even in touch with poor whites! So what’s the damn difference with these people. White guilt libbers…white liberal elitists, etc. Most of them don’t even truly *know* what they are talking about.
Fredddiebrown, Not all blog and not all talk about what they do in prowls ……
I have done all the daily prowsls I could as well as the ones JBJD had that we faxed to our AGs and SoS.
Ive made videos on you tube and talked to people in my community. Sometimes I feel I havent done enough,so I do more. There are many like me,they just dont say what they do.
obama is leading because we arent reaching the people we need to. He has his pinions out all over the swing states as well as onb vollege campuses. Where are all the republican and third party people? How can we combat ACORN,NAACP,HOLLYWOOD,NEWS MEDIA????
McCain is playing Obama like a fish.
Good Afternoon. Murphy this is a great topic for discussion. God knows I have a lot to say on the subject. I wrote my first response, however I am at work and of course didn’t try to copy and paste before I submit and lost it all.
I have been dealing with a flooded basement for the last two week, and now I have the flu, and had to come to work today.
I will try to post tonight if I have the energy. I have been doing all the prowls, and have been lurking however.
Update: FBI serves search warrant against UT student in Palin case
The FBI is stepping up its investigation into the possibility that a University of Tennessee student hacked into the personal e-mail of Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin.
A person who identified himself as a witness tells 10 News that agents with the FBI served a federal search warrant at the Fort Sanders residence of David Kernell early Sunday morning. Kernell lives in the Commons apartment complex at 1115 Highland Ave.
David Kernell is the son of Mike Kernell, a Democratic state representative from Memphis.
http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=64033&provider=top
An assignment for Obama’s new “truth squad”
michellemalkin.com ^ | September 22, 2008 | Michelle Malkin
A reader sends word that the Obama campaign is launching a new “truth squad” in Pennsylvania:
From: Stephanie Gidigbi SGidigbi@PAforChange.com Date: September 22, 2008 10:07:16 AM EDT Subject: EMBARGOED UNTIL NOON: Obama-Biden Campaign Rolls Out Pennsylvania Truth Squad
***MEDIA ADVISORY***
For Planning Purposes Embargoed until Noon Monday, September 22, 2008
Obama-Biden Campaign Rolls Out Pennsylvania Truth Squad Collection of leaders from around the state will give the facts in the face of McCain’s lies
Today the Obama-Biden campaign is putting the McCain campaign on notice by rolling out the Pennsylvania Truth Squad — a group of 19 elected and community leaders from around the state who will be proactive in letting Pennsylvanians know the truth in the face of the distortions by the McCain campaign.
In Philadelphia, Gov. Ed Rendell, Mayor Michael Nutter and other members of the Truth Squad will kick off their efforts today with a press conference on Independence Mall.
In Harrisburg, AFL-CIO President Bill George, SEIU Executive Director Eileen Connolly and Secretary of the Department of Environmental Protection Kate McGinty will hold a press conference on the steps of the Capitol building.
The mission of the Truth Squad will be to respond quickly, forcefully, and aggressively when John McCain or his allies launch inaccurate claims about Barack Obama, or when they distort John McCain’s record or plans.
Judging by how much the McCain campaign has lied and distorted over the past 2 months, the Truth Squad is expecting to be deployed regularly over these final 6 weeks. The full list of “Pennsylvania Truth Squad” members will be released today.
(Excerpt) Read more at michellemalkin.com …
Please pass this on to everyone in your email & on other blogs you visit!
323 Dances
Thank you! And I say “Thank you!” to anyone who is here just to educate themselves, to learn the truth about B.O.,
even if they don’t participate in the prowls. That’s one less vote for B.O., and they’ve armed themselves with facts to share with neighbors, family, and friends.
Thank you SLYT2 — Sorry if I get a group of hairballs on top of me – am working myself in the background sending Emails to newspapers in swing States and to the TV Stations that Dances has placed in the Action Center -
But Freddie is right – we are preaching to the choir – there are certain posts that every other one is from that person – there are no action items going on – just preaching to the choir – if we have any – any intention at all to defeat this person we ALL have to work at it – in the background you have BillieJo, Gypsy, Bobram, myself, Gandalf, Ladyhawkke, Antish, TilleryLakeLady – and so many others that you DO NOT see on here constantly – you see Dances responding more and more and more to all the action items that people wanted posted – but what could is all of that if everyone doesn’t just jump in and help – we can only hope that McCains group is doing SOMETHING themselves – but we have to do what we can do as Pumas – now…
That thank you Slyt2 was for voting
317 michelle47 You had a good letter and I sort of adopted it. Thanks
Here is Cambell Brown’s email address provided by none other than Hannity. I used it for both Campbell Brown and Roland Martin
http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=862961
Come upstairs-I’m all alone!
Excuse spelling mistakes brain works faster then fingers…..lol
Great post on what is going on and why:
http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/09/22/selling-america-why-the-msm-cant-tell-the-truth/
337 Rodham in Flag Hi there! Haven’t had a chance to talk to you much these days.
There are other PUMA sites that we interact with so some of us are doing more than just what is seen here. You are only seeing a part of the action here, there’s alot of PUMAs doing alot of different things. The majority of ideas do come from here though.
Billie Jo #314 — I got the EXACT SAME email!! The Obama Movement is trying to make this viral.
This is the response I sent back — TO THE WHOLE LIST!! — and there are some nice people, whom i like, on the list:
“The liberal attacks on Sarah Palin play on the most stereotypical insults of working class and rural white people as trashy, slutty, and dumb.
I dont think it is funny to ridicule a teenage girl with an unplanned pregnancy. I dont think it’s funny to ridicule a father of teenage daughters by implying that he has sex with them, because obviously, heh-heh — that’s what hillbillies do.
Democrats are supposed to be the party of gender equality and progressive values — not of stereotyping, prejudice, bias, and the politics of personal destruction.
Would it be amusing to parody Joe Biden’s supposed alcoholism? Michelle Obama’s supposed dominatrix tendencies?
I’m a Democrat and I’m not enjoying this hogwash one bit.”
I got back a response from the list owner saying, ahem “Each to their own views. I think it is fun to parady all the candidates male or female. Otherwise, we would all go crazy given how important this all is.”
yeah yeah — whatEVER!
Nothing from the rest of the cowards, except this, and I am so glad I sent my email because otherwise maybe this person on the list wouldn’t have sent hers:
“I found the skit extremely insulting, and wish my son had not watched it. Thank you for making your thoughts known.”
see? one action CAN cause a small and good chain reaction!
Forward your email list to me and I’ll respond for you!
new ACTION post up, by the way — thank you for the amazing discussion everyone — I think we need more like this.
But ACTION is our watchword, so:
take it upstairs!
#286 Hillfan wrote: Many AA were voting more than once. BUT the DNC decided ‘they didnt know better’ and didnt want to embarrass the AA community not with an AA candidate.”
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Well, I hate to say this… but if they are not bright enough to know they voted more than once than I don’t think they are bright enough to vote at ALL – and that is irregardless of color. They knew very well what they were doing;and the DNC not only knew it, but went along with it. What happened to our rights? What happened to democracy? Why are we being controlled by a “machine” like the DNC or the Chicao politics? What happened to “we, the people”??? Who cares about US anymore? Surely not the MSM and surely not the DNC…..sigh…………..
For the Record – House Approves bill not to drill within 50 miles off shore.
Patriot Post aka The Federalist ^ | 9/22/09 | Jeff Jacoby
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2087871/posts
FOR THE RECORD “[T]he House of Representatives approved a bill to allow offshore oil drilling, but nearly all the Republicans voted against it… It isn’t a drilling bill, it’s an anti-drilling bill. If it becomes law, nearly all the oil and gas in the Outer Continental Shelf would be off-limits forever… This bill permanently bans all drilling within 50 miles of the US coast, which just happens to be where most of the recoverable oil and gas reserves are. It permits drilling between 50 and 100 miles out only if the adjoining states agree – which they won’t, since the bill denies them any share in the royalties the oil companies would have to pay, thereby eliminating any financial incentive for a state to say yes. Virtually all the oil off the California coast and beneath the Eastern Gulf of Mexico would be locked up for good. Don’t be fooled: The only offshore drilling this bill really opens the door to would have to be 100 miles or more out to sea, where the oil companies have no infrastructure… According to the Interior Department, the offshore areas where drilling is restricted contain more than 19 billion barrels—that’s equal to 30 years of current imports from Saudi Arabia. The bill would deny Americans access to as much as nine-tenths of that oil. A good deal? I don’t think so.” —Jeff Jacoby
Did anyone notice that in those so-called polls asking if Palin is qualified to be Veep there are always zero percent “not sure”? It’s all one way or all the other…. no “not sure”…
Dances –
Yes, call me all the choice words you need to and while I am obviously not directing any of this at the ones who worked tirelessly (as any one can see YOU ARE THE BEACON who has worked day and night ).
I pay for other pumas to my prowls only at a time when I was on the road for weeks with limited internet access and it was expressly so that people could afford to go to Denver. To bring this up when you expressly understood why I did that is a bit low down and smack of a certain something. Don’t be judgemental of my funds – I use it very selflessly many of which I do with direct contact with other PUMAs. None of which is on this blog. But I refuse to engage you in how I spend my funds.
This is hardly about you. Hardly. However you feel, I am glad not everyone feels the same way you do.
DancesWithPumas, freddiebrown and Murphy.
My 3 cents. Please no offense to any of you PUMAs, it’s just a fact that some of us are frustrated that the PAC isn’t as active as some of us would like. I too am not convinced that McCain will win, nothing in the news supports this right now. I wish there were two pages running on the blog at the same time, one for blogging in general, and one for blogging and working just on prowls together. We need each other in support to make this happen but don’t need to feel like our frustration is directed at each other’s person.
freddiebrown asked for people to come back to the blog to mention what they have done. I will admit I did in the beginning but not so much now. But I would like to assure the group I am working daily, almost anyway. I became active w/McCain’s office here. They asked me to coordinate the dems, we have worked a few gatherings and a street fair, even hit the airport once as passagers came thru security. Flyers and calls.
All daily prowls are done with the exception when I ended up in the hospital for the week sick just recently. However I did change the minds of two ‘ex-Hill nurses to vote McCain’ not bad really. I do all emails listed on blog I come across when someone pisses us off. haha ie oprah, joy b, etc…. have done many many boycott emails. Anyway there is my report to you all, just to let you know I am quiet but I am working my butt off.
Here’s my comment on the race issue…
My husband and I were overjoyed that Hillary was going to run for president.
We are both white and come from Kentucky ancestors.
After listening to a few debates I told my husband if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination I’m going to vote for Obama.
My husband commented about how Obama’s speeches were so inspiring, and I agreed.
Then……… something happened, or should I say a lot of things happened.
Jeremiah Wright in all of his hate ranting glory hit the tv screens.
I thought my God how can a person ( Obama) sit under that for 20 years? How can Obama NOT be affected by that kind of teaching?
I naturally believed that Obama felt just like Wright did.
Then the other “friends” of Obama were made known.
I thought what the hell is this? And who the hell is Obama?
I realized I knew nothing about this man and what I did know scared me.
Obama’s speech and later comments on race threw me for a loop. His lies about Rev. Wright and his church tied the knot in that loop.
I am very down to earth, believe that people “Are who they run with”
I have been called racist and other filthy names.
I am not a racist. I am an American who loves this country.
I would have been very happy to have voted for Obama if all this crap hadn’t happened.
Its too bad Obama chose to lie about his life rather than trying to explain truthfully about his beliefs.
#260, thanks Snowtiger.
**** PROWL *** ACTION ****
– Send this data & links to nat’l & local (swing-states) media and encourage coverage (see Action Center for media addresses)
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OBAMA PAYS WOMEN LESS THAN MEN IN HIS STAFF
Obama pays his female Senate staffers, on average, only 78 percent of what he pays male staffers.
Women on McCain’s staff, meanwhile, earn 24 percent more on average than women on Obama’s Senate staff. McCain also pays his female Senate staff members a higher average salary than his male Senate staff members.
Women occupy seven of the top 10 highest-paid positions on McCain’s staff, and five of the top 10 highest-paid positions on Obama’s staff.
The numbers come from the most recent Report of the Secretary of the Senate, which includes the salaries of every member of each U.S. senator’s staff during the period of Oct. 1, 2007 through March 31, 2008.
This is the second consecutive six-month period reviewed by CNSNews.com in which McCain, an Arizona Republican, has paid women on his Senate staff a higher average salary than he pays men and Obama has paid men a higher average salary than he pays women.
The pay gap between men and women in McCain’s office closed in the most recent six-month period compared to the previous period, but the pay gap widened slightly in Obama’s office. The CNSNews.com analysis included all staff members for each Senator—except those listed as “interns”—that were included in the Report of the Secretary of the Senate.
Gender issues have played a role in the presidential race recently as McCain picked Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate, the first woman to be nominated for vice president by the Republican Party.
In the period from October 1 through March 31, Obama paid women on his Senate staff an average annual salary of $44,953.21, which was $12,472 less than the $57,425.00 average annual salary he paid men. Women outnumbered men on the staff 30 to 27.
McCain paid women on his Senate staff an average annual salary of $55,777.39, which was marginally higher than the average annual salary of $55,165.29 that he paid men.
In percentage terms, McCain paid female staffers 101 percent of what he paid men. Women outnumbered men on McCain’s staff, 26 to 16.
Thirteen of the 20 highest paid members of McCain’s Senate staff were women during the sixth-month reporting period. Eight of the 20 highest paid members of Obama’s Senate staff were women.
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- Above excerpts from:
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=35972
- Related article:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/378772_murdockonline12.html
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348 BillieJo
I agree with the urgent need to be active… especially in these remaining days, what with people no longer actively engaged because Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton was defrauded and no longer in the running.
I’m also aware that I do not need a “mommy” to create actions for me. I am motivated and self-directed.
I agree there are a couple of people who “chat” all day long, and some days I am one of them, but not always.
The thing is, if there a few who disturb one in that way, then have the freaking ovaries to call them out instead of blasting the entire blog.
By the way, it think it sucks when people who use this blog and its resources, go around trashing it, and Murphy, to other blog owners. If that’s who anyone is… go te hell.
I have found today’s PUMA discussion much needed and over-due. I, like I suspect many others, visit this blog because we miss Hillary and are disillusioned with our Democratic Party and choice, but are not quite ready to actively fight for their loss. This may be what I needed to acknowledge what I am feeling and fight for what I believe.
I have always thought I was immune to racism and sexism, but then I have always voted Democrat without much thought as well. This election has evoked strong emotions I fear I have suppressed. I have called my loving husband a sexist when he judged Palin as a mother instead of a vice-presidential candidate and my dear AA friend a racist when she called me Whitey. Both were as surprised as me, since this was not the first time they have made comments like this, just the first time I allowed myself to react to them.
I am glad we are having this much needed discussion and we need to include the rest of America. I never thought I would live to see a Democratic party that I can no longer support. Not sure what my vote will be, but it will be a protest vote against the DNC. Only in defeat, will they be forced to see themselves for what they are: both sexist and racist. Then, maybe, reform can begin…
Now I’m ready; what can I do to begin?!
We need to protest CBS. In their 60 Minutes report they showed how painfully biased they are. If you go to Yahoo and look up the videos from the show, you’ll see that they were talking to both McCain and Obama about the ads they have been running. They took McCain to task about “false” ads they have been running, but they didn’t even ask Obama about his! He’s told some whoppers too. Where’s the fairness? Who has their contact info?
No, Virginia, it ISN’T the fault of the Republicans:
http://stoprepublicans.blogspot.com/2006_05_19_archive.html
#98 pumasupporter
You are right on. If left wing poverty policies were so great, why are some of the worst cities in America run by Democratic machines for decades.
Billions and billions of dollars… for what?
I think these policies keet people down for the most part. The Great Society also brought about the taxpayer funding for ACORN and other “community activist groups”. It helped Saul Alinsky followers like Obama build a career.
As taxpayers, we funded the rise of Obama. Ain’t that great?
And I disagree with Murphy on rich people. Most rich people aren’t bad. They provide jobs, fund Universities, fund charities, invest in new companies (including green ones).
Certain rich people are jerks, but they’d be jerks without money.
OT: A video clip from NewsMax discussing ABC’s Breach of Ethnics in editing Palin’s interviewing. The last time I felt this manipulated by the media, George Bush became our president.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds6IjV0__BA&eurl=http://blogsforjohnmccain.com/abcs-breach-ethics-palin-interview
interviewing = interview…sorry for typo
murphy i really think we should all partake in a massive boycott of advertizers on these biased media sites and let them know why we are boycotting them , maybee if we hit them in the wallet/pocketbook they will start reporting on facts and not biased b/s/
if any one has any orginizational skills who can get something like this going i would love to participate
and im fairly certain many others might act on this as well
#11 mlhath on 09.22.08 at 11:26 am Osaka Puma:
yes, it was an epiphany. I have had several lately. There were a number of entities that I have grown up with in the complete assurance that they and I were on the side of Right.
#1: the church: I lost that community when I chose McCain.
#2 the Dem party: I don’t think I need comment.
#3 feminists: I marched for the ERA, I marched for RvW. And now I find out I am once again relegatged to 2nd class because I do not support Obama.
This has been a hard year for my idealism.
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Sit quietly in a chair. close your eyes. feel LOVE. sit and mediate and FEEL. Feel Love. With practice you can do it for a very long time.
Now as you are feeling Love be aware that the Love is flowing through YOU. Feel how wonderful you are because you can feel love inside of yourself.
As you do this each day you will become aware of more TRUTH. For you will experience that the LOVE is who you really are. It is in this place of feeling love that you are in the Eternal Now moment. This is where your happiness resides. not out there in groups or ideas of the world. But inside of yourself in the place of Eternal Love which is who and what you are.
For it is here that you will experience an eternal incredible BLISS that you will feel as if LOVE Is going to OVERPOWER YOU. But have no fear. Love is who you are. You are feeling the TRUTH that the ONE TRUE GOD is inside of you. Everything external is an illusion of the mind.
So rejoice that the church the party and the feminists have not brought you eternal happiness for they never could bring you eternal happiness. Eternal Happiness can ONLY be fround inside of yourself as you experience LOVE flow through you as being who you really are.
I grew up in the South in the 1950s before segregation, yet my parents, being good Christians, were never racist and raised us not to be so either. I suffered a lot in college in the 1960s because I was from the South. Now my white friends accuse me of racism because i will not vote for Obama. What a set back for everything MLKing stood for. Now, we ignore the content of a person’s character and concentrate on the color of his skin! Wright and his religion are blatantly racist.
Race the only race am seeing is the democrat party is now being shaped and designed to reflect itself as a party of another ethnic group.
Then is that now what we were told in the primaries that there were lots of blacks joining the party since Obama was the candidate, were we not made to feel that our votes were really not needed since all these new voters were coming in so what if some of us left?
America is changing the polls are already saying pretty soon America will be the land of minorities, so the DNC is tapping into that, they are paving the way for years to come, this is the changing face of the DNC, and its up to some to either accept that and go along or move on and find another party to support, but bet your sweet life win or lose the DNC with Obama and his supporters will never be the same as it was.
There are new power brokers in there, new movers and shakers all in tune with Obama, the Clinton years are over and we must all accept that because it will never change back to how it was before, to believe that is wishful thinking the stage is being set.
Ario, Pumasupporter, Alice1943, Asian4Hillary;
I b’lieve he’s not even technically black.
The numbers I saw and think are accurate are: 8/16 Caucasian, 7/16 Arab, 1/16 Negro, which is below the usual bar (1/8). Moreover, he was raised Indonesian and white, not ever black … so he’s pretense from A to Z.
Does this make any difference to how AAs see him?
#200 osaka puma;
My understanding is that much better financed and organized Mexican drug gangs are wiping the floor with the local black versions, too. That may have much to do with the black-brown racewar scenario.
#358 minivee;
“ABC’s Breach of Ethnics”.
What did “ethnics” have to do with it?
Sorry, couldn’t resist!
I am African American, and I don’t believe that the statements made by the Dems (i.e. if BO loses it will be because of racism) has much at all to do with all the perceived manipulative “white guilt” strategy.
I think it’s all about the Dems (especially Dean, Brazille, Pelosi & Reid) trying to protect their jobs. If BO loses they don’t want anyone pointing at them for their bad leadership and instead they want to start now building a case that says it’s racism in America that defeated BO and that they did all they could do. They want to appear to be above everyone else when the election is over.
It’s just a smoke screen. If they can get us all focused on defending our decision not to vote for BO, and if they can keep us talking about how we are not racist – then they know that No One will be talking about what a lousy job those four have done or how they manipulated everything and in fact chased Democrats away from the party.
Don’t fall for this scam. Stay on topic. Keep slamming the Dem party for what they did during the primaries. Keep speaking up against all 4 of them as incompetent. Don’t let them redirect the discussion to “race” to keep us from talking about the Dem Party and how they removed the democracy from the process.
When we use our blog time to debate race it’s one less argument we are making against the Dem Party. We can’t solve the race issue here – but we can sure make very strong cases for why others who visit our site should not vote for BO.
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