N.O.T. (Nothing On Top) For Democrats 2008
Puma PAC, People United Means Action, is Protesting the 2008 Election. We are Democrats who will vote for President this year in Protest. We will not support the Selected presidential nominee. Millions of us will vote John McCain as a PROTEST against the DNC and the Obama Movement. Millions will vote 3rd Party or leave the top spot BLANK. Not because we are angry or bitter or sore losers. Not because we are shrieking holdouts. We are Protesting the 2008 Election because the DNC and the Obama Movement used dirty tricks and disenfranchisement to grab the nomination.
These are the Reasons for the Puma PAC Protest of the 2008 Election
* The DNC punished the VOTERS of Florida and Michigan with DISENFRANCHISEMENT. because of the actions of their elected officials. In Florida, Democratic VOTERS WERE DISENFRANCHISEDbecause of the shenanigans of a REPUBLICAN legislature.
* The DNC CHANGED THE VOTES of 600,000 Michiganders on May 31, 2008 when it stole 4 pledged delegates from one candidate and re-pledged them to another.
* The Obama Movement PAID THE SUPERDELEGATES who endorsed Senator Obama. Crucial Super Delegates pledged their support to Obama after the Obama Movement contributed tens of thousands of dollars to them. These were Super Delegates whose constituents had voted overwhelmingly for Senator Clinton in the the primaries.
* The DNC allowed sexist bias to HANDICAP the ONLY WOMAN in the race. When Tucker Carlson said that Hillary Clinton was a CASTRATOR, the DNC WAS SILENT. When Chris Matthews said that Bill Clinton’s INFIDELITY was the ONLY REASON for Hillary Clinton’s achievements, the DNC WAS SILENT. When the MEDIA CIRCUS unleashed a sexist onslaught of criticism against Senator Clinton regarding: her laugh, her cleavage, her pants, her wrinkles, her earrings, her “bitchiness,” her emotional “instability” the DNC WAS SILENT.
* The DNC and the Obama Movement SUPPRESSED THE VOTES OF CLINTON Delegates at the National Convention in Denver. On August 27th, 2008 the DNC and the Obama Movement maneuvered an undemocratic and underhanded voting script to ensure that Hillary Clinton’s pledged delegates (and the 18 million votes they represented) HAD NO VOTE. Entire state delegations were brow-beaten into voting Present or Passing their votes to other states. August 27, 2008 is a day that will live in infamy for the Democratic National Committee.
If you are a Democrat and you are FED UP with the DNC and the Obama Movement’s tactics, JOIN US! We are Protesting the 2008 Election.
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A few in the last thread were concerned that The Audacity of Nope could be construed as PUMApac’s endorsement of John McCain. PUMApac does not endorse John McCain.
I thought I had clearly stated at the end of the essay was that it was the opinion of myself only, a lowly guest blogger from Peacocks and Lilies. I apologize if some were offended and am re-posting the official statement of PUMApac regarding the top of the ticket. Thanks to Hillstheone for posting it in comments in the last thread.
Reminder!
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Thank you to everyone who contributed to Sheila Jackson Lee yesterday. I will post the final tally later this morning.
We will be mounting a weekend Fundraiser starting later today to raise funds for Canvassing and Outreach for our Protest of the Election. Get a jump now and donate this morning if you can, and THANK you! You can Contribute HERE!
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Total explanation of the Bush Doctrine..by the man who coined the phrase…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/03/24/LI2005032401690.html
excellent piece to read…
wooohooo 3?
oops I will be making my donation times 2!
gonna run downstairs for others! jeeesh… is there an elevator?
THE LATEST EMAIL FROM OBAMA
Friend —
You’d be surprised how many people you know aren’t registered to vote.
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Thanks,
Barack
#230 will13smith on 09.13.08 at 9:35 pm
Thank you for posting the link. There’s something I notice about NObama in every speech he delivers heavily covered by the media; “he’s close and yet so far.” He connects with the people for a few minutes like a good lecturer but once a person leaves the lecture room, they can’t remember a damn thing what the lecturer talked about. He also talk down on people, he put a distance between him and his audience, like a professor to his students. NObama cannot relate to a common man but he expects you to believe whatever he says and you have no right to question him. He made his self into an icon, untouchable in so many ways. But the more people know about him, the less they like him; due to the fact NObama is speaking in another world, he uses a language foreign to a lot of people. It is English but the way he talks, makes you feel inferior, you’re beneath him. That is my summation of NObama.
no way!!
EVERYONE!!! STOP!!! i just realize that some of my professors could be Puma members. Good for Puma but bad for me.
Wow, top ten!
confirmation number: 9CR25844NJ490291T
Donation complete!! Hello everyone! bbl…
Asian, when I ran downstrs for the others, I asked you down there~ where is that freakin elevator you took before~ huff huff… I hate the stairs!!!
#255 californiagal on 09.13.08 at 9:56 pm
Repost from downstairs in the caboose.
“Obama Steers Clear of Palin” LATimes 9/14
“He stuck to his talking points, turning the discussion back to McCain and repeating the argument that the Arizona senator is a figure from the past, falsely running on a promise to shake up Washington.
Speaking to a crowd of more than 7,000 here today, Obama hewed to that theme: “John McCain doesn’t get it,” he said. “He doesn’t know what’s going on in your lives. He is out of touch with the American people.”
Normally, the Democratic vice presidential nominee might be expected to eviscerate Palin. But Obama’s No. 2, Joe Biden, is sticking to the script. When he gets a question about the Alaska governor, he, too, shifts back to McCain.
Guiding the Obama campaign is a conviction that Palin will either fade or implode. One aide privately predicted the Palin phenomenon would “go away.”
Outside public view, Obama aides are doing what that they can to nudge that process along, steering reporters to unflattering stories about Palin. An Obama aide today sent out an e-mail highlighting a Boston Globe article that disclosed Palin, contrary to what the McCain campaign had said, has never visited Iraq.
David Axelrod, Obama’s chief strategist, said Obama was shunning Palin “because she’s not the candidate for president.”…..
The Obama camp suddenly realized their guy was campaigning against the wrong person. hahaha.
They also believe if they ignore Palin she will go away.
If I close my eyes, will you still be there?
I think they are afraid. We need to keep her name out there so they don’t do to her what they did to HC. The story points out that this strategy worked during the primaries. Read it here:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-campaign14-2008sep14,0,6672184.story
PUMApac does not endorse John McCain.
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Amen!!!
12 SouthJerseyPUMA
name of your blog? I saw it mentioned but I couldn’t find it when I went to look…thanks…
Ok I am here and Im not a professor………puff puff puff.
will there be an explanation of when a state might take a blank vote and fill it in for Obama. It seems to me to be too dangerous to leave the top spot blank. I think we should encourage people to make a pick. or else make sure the lower section of the ballot splits on parties and/or give a list of states where it is safe to leave it blank and what states might award the blank to Obama. I do not want to see Obama get one single extra vote no way no how nobambie
10 Cassie you’re funny! I don’t think they’ll hold it against you!
16 GoHillaryGo
You have to find our from your particular state official. Do not believe anything you read about it on the internet.
btw a big thank you to SouthJerseyPUMA for coming downstairs to rescue me from talking to myself.
16 GoHillaryGo
The NOT doesnt necessarily mean leave the top of teh ballot blank. It means No Obama at the TOP of the ballot.
#6 Asian4Hillary – and he would want citizens of USA start learning languages of the world. How else can somebody be leader of the world?
For people that do not know what I am talking about, I saw one of the meetings / speaking event where he stated that foreigners visit here and take the pain of learning English but when we go abroad we can only say ‘S’il Vous Plait’ or ‘Merci Beaucoup’. In the new world we are now expected to pick an language and learn. So if the unthinkable happens feel free to select an elective (federal mandate)
califoniagal: very funny!
I don’t want to sound like I’m from the stone ages but where can I get the smiley faces?
Texas PUMAs (((ALERT)))
I just read that Obama/Biden filed in Texas one day late of the required deadline to be in the state ballots.
Get on that phone and asked The State of Texas Election Division Hope Andrade and Elections Divison Director Ann McGeehan, demanding that the Obama/Biden ticket be denied ballot access, because they missed the deadline.
Texas election law requires all presidential candidates to file by 5pm of the 70th day before the election: for this election would’ve been August 26.
The Texas Democratic Party didn’t file unitl the 27th.
Go PUMAs Go!
I got mine at Word Press – Smiley’s – but I don’t have the url.
LotusBoy: He has these weird and dangerous ideas that come out here and there. It’s very scary. As I have said before, these Obots are like the followers of Hitler who was a great orator.
i like the idea of my vote counting twice if I vote for McCain,It makes up for all the votes he stole from hillary….2 for 1 better odds in favor of his defeat.
NobamaNetwork is supporting McCain. I urge you to reseach your state elections laws before you write in a name or vote for none of the above to find out where your protest vote will end up. We can take any chances on Obama getting any of your votes that way.
1gypsy4mc, thanks. I’m gonna go there later.
its easy for people who cant vote for mcain /palin hold your nose and vote for them any way that way you are voting for YOUR VOTING RIGHTS that have been stolen by our own party and thrown aside lets not reward that action!! vote for the other guy out of love of country not party and the next time around these a@@hole party elite will think twice next time they try and force their will on us ! the voters who ARE supposed to elect OUR pic for pres not theirs
just my humble opinion
#25 Cassie – And I would like PUMA and like minded folks to take this item and run. I do not know if this has ever happened in America.
Disclaimer – though I can speak, read and write at least 5 languages I will not encourage any leader to force me to read a language just to please from foreign visitors or be likeable to the world.
We are not endorsing McCain, but many, many of us are voting for him as a protest vote against “the selected, not elected one”, and the DNC.
#26 well said tennesee
I’m voting for another candidate, to make sure Obama does not get in. No Obama.
#30 LotusBoy – it is some instead of from…
Typing too fast
#27 NobamaNetwork You have a very informative site – I go there often!
NobamaNetwork is endorsing McCain in an effort to show Hillary supporters (and I am a big one) that it is okay to vote country instead of party. It is important to convince people to vote instead of sit out the election.
I am concerned about Obama busing people from poll to poll to vote like he has done before. It is entirely he can win by cheating and voter fraud.
I put up a little humor on the site today http://www.nobamanetwork.com/
Cassie Here you go – save it – it’s fun!!
http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies
From downstairs post
#221 1gypsy4mc – No I am an unfortunate soul for not having been born there. I have not set my eyes on Alaska. I am from South Asia. I would love to visit there (I would also be causing some tourism pilferaging) Perhaps 2011 or 2012 I will go there. Thanks for asking
My dream Vacation used to be Australia and New Zealand. I have changed in to Alaska
#39 LotusBoy I would love to go to Australia also. I think in another life I was an “explorer”. There’s so many places I would love to visit. You would not be disappointed in visiting Alaska – there is so much beauty. Even in the winter when it’s dark it’s light. Light reflects off the snow and experiencing the “ice crystals” (very cold snow) it’s like a fairy tale.
hmmm!
I thought the previous tread was excellent and thought provoking from a woman’s rights point of view, And as a woman I care for alternatives that can advance and promote equality.
So sad to see again, the restrictions and censorship from a supposedly progressive PAC.
#40 1gypsy4mc – I hope I am not taken down for hurting a Caribou or a Moose on stepping on an insect – Just kidding!
#36 NobamaNetwork so now do people sign up for your site or just go and visit. You said your site is endorsing McCain what do you mean by that.
42 LotusBoy I don’t think you will have that problem. As Asian will tell you, the “hunting” and “fishing” regulations are tougher there then any other state. The most fun will be just jumping into a vehicle and start driving in any direction. Take camcorders and digital cameras – talk to the people! You’ll love it!
1gypsy4mc, thanks. I’ll try it later after I eat. Hands are shaking.
tennasee, I’m sorry I missed your post from up top. I think it’s better if I ask my sister because she’ll be there with me. Thank you for your help though.
23 bellecat
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO!q
Karma is a youknowwhat
23 bellecat
Where did you read that?
#21 LotusBoy on 09.13.08 at 10:05 pm
My attitude is this, they come to America they MUST learn the English language, they must adapt to us not us freaking adapting to them! I hate political correctness!
#44 1gypsy4mc – Thanks for the tip It will come in handy.
#14
my blog~ “Lip~ Stick It!
http://southjerseypumas.blogspot.com/
Local news here in the San Francisco Bay Area had a story about the need to check voter registration and voter records very carefully. Apparently, with the huge number of foreclosures, the opportunity for voter fraud is ripe. Ohio comes to mind with their register/vote policy. Anyway, in my eyes, it is just one more reason to vote for McCain in any state where the poll numbers are close.
For those that are choosing not to vote on top, my suggestion would be to do *something* on top to indicate that you are not voting for Obama. In close elections (circa Florida), assumptions can be made just by reading down a ballot. If you vote all Democratic, it could be assumed that you intended to vote for Obama even though there is no marking.
Cassie: Your professors would be pleased that you were using all available resources to complete your assignment!
Cassie,
Here is the link for the smileys:
http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies
just wanted to see if it worked – here’s the link
http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies
50 SouthJerseyPUMA Wow! Beautiful! God Bless You.
I don’t know how NObama campaign able to get my phone number. I’ve just received a call from one of his volunteers asking for donation. I told the person to shove it where the sun don’t shine! Hillary Campaign has my phone number, I would be real upset if they give to NObama campaign my mailing address!!!!
23 bellecat
where did you get that info re they filed to late date?
us texas pumas need to jump on that -
thank you for bringing it to our attention.
CNN is on with Biden…strange because they are bringing up his past and some is not great. Biden does come off as a good guy, that I think he is……….will see how this goes.
#41 Bellecat, JFTR, the last post has not been censored. Murphy has not expressed any dissatisfaction whatsoever regarding what I’ve been posting. To the contrary, she has been very supportive. I posted this thread because it was time for a new one, and because I believe part of the objective of PUMApac is to provide a big tent, which includes representing all sides. After several hours of Audacity of Hope being up, it was, perhaps, time to give some others a voice.
Trust me, I will continue to bring my gadfly approach and push people to get out of their comfort zone, at my own blog, and here at PUMApac as long as Murphy allows. You’ll have the chance to revisit that topic and feeling again. Thanks!
#12 californiagal on 09.13.08 at 10:00 pm
I read the article – the problem is that BO’s ignoring Hillary at the end of the primaries didn’t work; she went on to win the popular vote and it forced the DNC to steal the nomination from her. If it had worked, she would have just disappeared. Not only did Hillary not disappeared, but she gave rise to even a worse threat to BO – Sarah Palin.
So BO’s strategy is very misguided and will only backfire on him as it did with Hillary…
59 californiagal No, I beat you both!
#59 californiagal: Actually, #38 1gypsy4mc beat you to it but thank you all anyways. Gotta eat!
61 annabelleWhich one is your site? Thanks and by the way, you’re a great moderator!!
Vote for McCain/Palin 08 = a vote for Clinton/ 2012
#5 scarlet Dear Barack,
Until I got your nice letter, I wasn’t planning on voting this year.
But then I read that one line you wrote: “This race is too close and too important to stay home on Election Day.”
And, I thought, ‘maybe he’s right’.
So after careful consideration of all the candidates, I am going to vote after all. I hope you will be proud that I am choosing to vote for John McCain. He seems to be least of all the evils and people like his wife.
Sincerely,
Alice
My site, Peacocks and Lilies, can be found here: http://annabellep.wordpress.com/
Thanks 1gypsy4mc!
#63 1gypsy4mc,
You are just too fast
I need your trigger finger over at prowland’s site to help monitor while she is gone. Please……… I can’t be online 24/7 and it seems I am always gone when someone shows up.
56# thank you gypsy! stop by often~ crawling right now, but hope to get up and run with it soon!
#63 1gypsy4mc,
I have 2 tabs open…one here and one over there but always seem to be at the wrong site at the wrong time
What’s the link to prowland? I’d like to visit…
I have been trying to figure out wordpress for my blog, but it is so confusing!!
#72 annabelle,
http://mcpalinmavericks.wordpress.com
If you don’t like McCain/Palin then you won’t like it
#51 Missy
Well said! A blank spot at the top of the ticket in this type of election is not a good idea.
#68 Alice1943
LOL
#23 bellecat
WOW! PARAPHRASED AND JUST SENT TO:
ontherecord@foxnews.com
weekendlive@foxnews.com
Perhaps someone there would be interested there to do a little research?
#73 SouthJerseyPUMA,
I have just been learning it as I go. Prowland started our site and then asked for my help. Now she has no power so I am doing it by myself so am being forced to learn all about it.
68 annabelle Oh, I have been to your site lots of times – As soon as I saw the Peacock “feathers” I recognized the site…shame on me. You really have some very strong and well though out editorials on your site!! Great job!!
Left you a comment over there, Sherry!
I agree with the previous bloggers N.O.T (nothing on top) should not be promoted by PUMApac.
With all the deception and fraud we’ve seen from the DNC and BO in these primaries, I feel we are setting ourselves up for more fraud.
VOTE! VOTE! VOTE! Our choice, but we shouldn’t leave it blank.
Let’s put the breaks when counts, on election day.
Thanks Sherry! Yeah, the Peacock feather is a symbol of my life. My last name means Peacock in another language.
Sherry~ YOU CAN DO IT!! YOU ARE WOMAN!! LET ME HEAR YOU ROAR!!!!
#48 Asian4Hillary – I agree!
Speaking only for me, I think N.O.T. has informally morphed into No Obama on Top. I think it functionally means not voting for Obama, which is pretty much the point of PUMA.
CASSIE: I too, am smiley challenged. I never remember what they tell you to do to get them. I did suggest to someone here(piedpiper?)who is very good at those faces that perhaps she/he could have Murphy include them at the comment zone. At the Hillary Village they have a smiley that you click on and quite a number of faces come up from which you can make your selection.
Annabelle. The thread has (Nothing on Top) written above the ribbon.
#79 annabelle ,
Thanks. I read it but as usual was too late for you to see my comment
I think it is good that several of us have different blog sites. It gives us a place to go to get different information and views and still be in the company of friendly pumas. It is much better than going to MCCain’s site. His blog sucks. There is no moderation I don’t think and it is hard to follow. Besides that there are too many people there that have different views and try to push them on people.
I wanted to touch on the whole Jesus Christ, pPomtus Pilate line the Obots are pushing.
Imn the creation of Liberation theology the idea was put forth by marxist agitators that Jesus was, by definition of his beliefs, a communist.
This was used to dupe many undereducated peoples into fighting “wars of liberation” in Latin America , Africa and Asia.
The taking over of religion by comparing leaders to biblical figures was a key method of expanding political control in the aforementioned regions.
Anyone else beginning to see a parallel?
The Obama campaign seems to be using every dirty trick in the “revolutionary” handbook.
This site looks like a historical treatise of Liberation theology but, go to its home page.
http://www.landreform.org/boff2.htm
Idk, about anyone else but this mixing of religion and politics is getting very scary.
1gypsyforHC Sorry, didn’t catch your post in time.
#52Rabblerouser: I think that by ignoring Hillary, BO managed to sideline her in the media and convince the DNC that he could beat her. It may have backfired in reality, but it was too late to save the convention for HC.
I think people need to pay attention to this strategy because the election is still up for grabs.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-campaign14-2008sep14,0,6672184.story
85 lilibet Okay, try this one:
type a “colon” then “lol” and then “colon” that is five characters/letters right next to each other – send it back to me
85 lilibet you won’t see the smiley until it posts.
#68 annabelle – I think I am able to guess!
I want to make a video right now for PUMA, do you guys have any suggestion?
#82 SouthJerseyPUMA ,
purrrr cough, cough, cough
My roar is tired. I need some help. I have no idea what I will put up on tomorrow’s thread. Prowland always did that.
Annabelle,
you are much better at it than I am. I hope I don’t let Prowland down while she is gone.
Gypsy,
Please……
VOTE CANCELLATION
http://practicaldemocrat.blogspot.com/
Yeah, I know G. It’s a straight copy and paste. And I don’t have any authority to officially change it, as it’s not my campaign.
As far as I can tell, it’s perfectly okay to discuss your impending vote, and analysis of it here. We just need to keep in mind that not everyone may agree and everyone’s choices need to be respected. I agree with that.
One of the strengths of the second wave of feminism is that it drew from all walks of life. As Victor David Hansen said so eloquently recently, a housewife and a prostitute could get together and discuss how they were both fucking for their supper. PUMA, and the fourth wave it’s spurring, is like that too. There’s room for all points of view.
I agree, Sherry, about needing diversity of space on the Internet. I actually coined the term PUMAsphere for it.
http://www.socinian.org/liberty.html
The missionaries raised questions of the theological significance of a social revolution. On the religious plane, a strong impetus for changes and new vision of the world came from the documents of the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965)(6). Latin American bishops insisted that the final documents should deal with the issues of development and human progress as a historical imperative. One statement of a Latin American bishop is especially significant: “Authentic socialism is Christianity lived to the full, in basic equality and with a fair distribution of goods” (7). Father Camilo Torres exemplifies this new attitude. He realized the need for a United Front linking together peasants, workers, slum dwellers, and professionals for basic changes. He expressed the need of revolution for implementing the fundamental changes in the economic, social and political structures. The essence of revolution was the removal of power from the privileged to the poor majorities. Revolution could be peaceful if the privileged elites did not put up a violent resistance, and the Christians should become involved. He sacrificed his own life in the struggle in 1966. On the international plane, social scientists emphasized that underdevelopment was structurally conditioned by the exploitation by foreign economic powers maintaining Latin America in a system of dependency on hegemonic centers. Such a system of oppression calls for ethical indignation. The encyclical of pope Paul VI “Populorum Progressio” (1967) (8) critiqued the international economic order, explicitly condemned the capitalistic system as presently known for the social evils and called for development through consensus rather than struggle:
Sherry, Sherry I just learned how to do Smiles in the last 2 months!! In the a.m., I’ll get with you, okay? Maybe a couple of others that know WordPress can help, how’s that one?
#88 snowtiger,
Hi snowtiger. I agree with you that it is getting really scary. That is why I am committed to keeping Obama out of the whitehouse and getting rid of the dnc team.
Asian4Hillary: What about Tracy Chapman’s Talking ‘Bout Revolution? You could use protest photos from the convention… Just a thought….
Liberation theology may be the solution. It happens that the Marxist analysis serves heuristically to discern the evil of the social injustice and pose the questions. Some see the convergence between the Marxist analysis and the original Christian ideals. Both ideologies are striving for a utopia, one for a classless society, the other for a Kingdom of God. Thus Marxist socio-economical analysis is fully vindicated in liberation theology. Traditionally, the Church claimed to be the Kingdom of God. Liberation theology redresses the errors of the Church, reminding it to serve the Kingdom of God, but understood as an earthly affair. Its service should consist of the ongoing humanization of the human realm at every level and in every situation.
The theology of liberation is not unique to Central and South America. Parallel movements exist in Africa and Asia and in various cultures with various religions or ideologies. They represent a reaction against the European and North American theological establishment. In Asian cultures, people talk about “liberation both human and cosmic” which represents a struggle for a full humanity. The foundation is cosmic religion – the attitude of all human beings vis-à-vis Nature. Non-Christian religions do not envision the ultimate reality as a “personal being”, therefore are metatheistic or nontheistic. The starting point for collaboration between the Christians and non-Christians is liberation. (30)
#98 1gypsy4mc,
Okay
#74 texassherry I loved you site
Sherry, you are doing fine over there. Don’t sweat it.
Hiya Texas,
This whole thing is very disturbing. The tactics sed by the “O” camp are just too damn similar.
His association with radicals from the sixties is becoming to take on a more menacing appearance imho.
Hi, guys!
http://www.forbes.com/asap/2000/0529/053_print.html
This 2000 Forbes article describes how McCain cannot type his own emails. It also speaks about how his 2000 campaign used the internet. It is very interesting to send it to the press!
Sorry if it was posted before, haven’t read all.
I hope we have some one in “o”s “training camp’. I would love to see what these “community organizers ” are being taught.
#103 slyt2 ,
Thank you. Come visit often. If I am not there or over here then I am sleeping, eating, or running errands but will be back soon. When Prowland gets back then someone will be there most all of the time.
#100 annabelle on 09.13.08 at 11:10 pm
YES!!!
can you email me pics for the video?
Please send it to faapuma geemaildotcom
I’ll get the music!
#88 snowtiger and 1gypsyfor HC:
This is an excerpt from Eise Nefertari Ulen’s blog. I remembered the words when I read snowtiger’s entry and thought I should add them here. She does support BO
“A Letter to Angela Davis
What Happened to Your Generation’s Promise of “Love and Revolution”?
Dear Ms. Davis,
You know my father. You know my mother. They know you. And your sister Fania. Daddy helped you slip through Pennsylvania when you were underground. Mommy let Fania into our home when you were caught. Fania was pregnant, I was about two, and she later named her daughter Angela Eisa Davis. Mommy kept your niece’s birth announcement. It is taped, next to pictures of people sporting Afros, in my baby book: “Born of the bloodfire of struggle for the people. I honor my child with your daughter’s name. May they both be strong forces of love and revolution.”
Oh, the promise of those words, those pictures, these images. My soul cries out even as I turn the yellowed page. There are pictures of Daddy and Mommy. Together. And me. Lenin lines the walls, stacked beneath a poster (“Unite Contre La Repression”) in our living room, where folk then in their twenties would arrive and debate through study sessions, trying to fulfill the promise in that poster, those books, bringing the images and words to life—a real life.”
YAY!!!!!!
#104 annabelle,
Thanks. I just feel bad when visitors come and nobody is there. I am spending too much time online and afraid I am going to get burned out before Prowland gets back.
We already have people who are afraid to put a MCcain or Hillary sticker on their car. Fear is being promoted to silence opposition everywhere.
Asian, I don’t have any photos as I broke my camera by falling on it (and my face) snapping my very first picture of the PUMA protest on that Tuesday. (I was heartbroken, ftr).
Does anyone know if pictures from the Convention have been collected and assembled anywhere? Is there a link on the action page? You might try googling for “Puma and Convention,” or something like that.
#110 californiagal
Scary.
scarlet on 09.13.08 at 11:06 pm
Precisely my blog earlier today!
Knowledge is power! It’s important to understand the math behing the election process.
If we were all truly against and serious about NO B.O we would understand and play by the rules.
Regardless if we like it or not this is how it’s going down on Nov. 4th: Like this…
http://practicaldemocrat.blogspot.com/
#105 snowtiger,
Something I have noticed too is that he always uses lines in his speeches from previous leaders and not always good ones. He has stolen lines from Kennedy, Clinton, Hitler, and others. His whole campaign is like some play that someone wrote for him. After all these months nobody really knows who he is. I think he is a puppet and there are others behind the scenes that are pulling his strings. I have known people like that where if they have a friend that has a certain belief or personality then they follow them, and then when they are around someone else then there personality changes again. It is like they have no personality of their own.
South jersey puma has pictures of denver convention on photo http://s529.photobucket.com/albums/dd333/SouthJerseyPUMA/
#119 tennaseepuma on 09.13.08 at 11:23 pm
TY TNPUMA!! going there now!
#114 snowtiger
Snowtiger . . you’re from CA? What part? I saw my first
McCain/Palin sticker on a car in So. Cal. tbis morning with a NOBAMA sticker next to it. We waved and laughed when I gave her a thumbs up. I wonder where she got the NOBAMA?
One last post for me. re: Smileys.
If you don’t have google, you might be able to keep two tabs open and switch back and forth.
118 texassherry
He is selling a product. All things to all people.
You want a reformer? He is one? You want an evangelical sympathizer? He is one. You want a dynamic new leader? Right here. You want change? You got it.
It is the worst con job I have ever seen.
Personally, I always wondered what the hell possessed the dems this cycle. Was it just some weird mass psychosis?
Why put this nothing up when you had Hillary Clinton?
Why go to such extreme lengths to arrange his coronation?
The more we see the clearer it becomes.
I really, really really hope I am being a tad paranoid.
#105 Snowtiger
This may pertain to what you are talking about with the Marxist direction of “O”.
Hubby-goofsdad- told me earlier today that bots on Kos have started calling themselves “kossacks”. This is very distrubing and revealing.
124 goofsmom
So much for paranoia.
scared? NEVER! I have my PUMA Democrat and NObama and Howie I am not coming home! on the back window of my car~ I live in a very, very diversed area.. just let em try something!
ok… back to purrrrrrrrrrrrrrring…..
had to get it out! lol…
snowtiger on 09.13.08 at 11:17 pm
I still have my Hillary banner which I had in my front window during primaries.
I would LOVE put an “EGO: bumper sticker that was posted on an earlier thread today but I’m too afraid someone will slash my tires. There are a few OBAMA signs on people’s lawns in the area & on their bumpers & people have been very aggressive lately.
Call me a wimp, but I’ve kept my opinions to this blog.
Ahhh…I miss Hillary. Things would be soooo different if she was the nominee.
McCain even with Palin wouldn’t have a chance and ALL PUMAs know it!
121 Rancho
Hiya Rancho.
I am in the Sacramento area. Where are you located? Generally speaking of course.
1 – The article up top “What Is PUMA” is very good. I’d really love to see that content be the actual landing page for PUMA so we could ensure that every new / first-time visitor would see this content as their first introduction to PUMA.
2 – Today I was trying to catch up reading on the many numerous other blogs & websites.
I really enjoyed Riverdaughter’s Friday 9/12/08 post entitled “Democrat’s Dilemma”. She wrote about why some Hillary supporters are paying attention to Palin and why Palin – as the potential first woman VP – is a factor in some Hillary supporters’ decision to vote for McCain/Palin over BO.
(link to the site at end if you’ve not read).
My favorite paragraph in the post was (copied from Riverdaughter post):
“Here’s the thing, oh mighty powers that be: all primary season long, you have been telling us to get in line, corraling us like the women of some puritanical middle eastern country. You haven’t offered us anything in return. Our votes were seized, our candidate humiliated, our choices eliminated. Some of you have even written letters telling us how tiresome and irritating we are for asking for something for our votes. You’ve given us Barack Obama who has never met a principle he cherishes so much that he wouldn’t give it up in the name of post-partisanship or political expediency.”
The article is highly recommended. To read the entire post go to http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/ and scroll down.
The picture is great too – image of the Democratic donkey sitting in the pose of the “thinker” trying to figure out what is going on.
That paragraph above says it all for me. How or Why the DNC cannot understand why some Democrats – especially Hillary supporters – are upset with the Democratic party is beyond me!
lilibet
Are you still here? If you are, go to this site. Got help from 1gypsy4mc, texassherry and californiagal. Good luck.
http://mcpalinmavericks.wordpress.com
Did anyone watch 20 – 20 last night? It had the entire Gibson/ Palin interview. I was amazed at how nice Charlie actually was while walking with Sarah at the pipeline. He asked her a lot of questions on their walk and was cordial, smiling and more of the gentleman I have known him to be.
The first interview ABC showed Charlie as condescending and it seemed like he was trying to trap her with the Bush doctrice question. ABC edited that to try to make her look inexperienced. I for one am glad he asked her the tough questions. She was correct in her response to the Bush doctrine question, because as Newt Gingrich and others have pointed out that it was actually Charlie who gaffed, because in truth there is NO actual written Busch doctrine recorded even though there are 4 parts over six years and the most recent is exactly what Sarah responded to and Charlie was referring to part 2.
No, Charlie did not bother to vet Obama or Edwards for that matter when he interviewed them as he did Sarah. Yes, it does seem double standard and sexist, but…Sarah was up to the task because she has the knowledge and experience and does not need a teleprompter to give her the answers. Charlie in the first interview looked like ABC’s hatchet man. ABC is so in the tank for Obama, that is why they allow Whoopie, Joy and Barbara to carry on the way they did with McCain.
119#
yes and i just finally uploaded more pictures from Denver with the PUMA Mobile on Wheels!! I will go work on that now~
OHHHH!!!! and a really funny prowl with Greenfun and BillieJo!!!
give me 30 minutes!!! lol.. belly hurting laughs!!!
#125 snowtiger ,
After meeting that idiot Dean in person I am really scared having that bunch running our country. I don’t think between all of them together they have a pea size lick of common sense.
#126 SouthJerseyPUMA
South, AN Italian woman, from Jersey scared? (snort)
If I iknow my paisans yu would laugh at the devil himself and dare him to com into your “kitchen”.
However, many people have been intimidated to the piint where they won’t speak out at all. This is terrorism, plain and simple.
“The point of terrorism, is to terrorize.” Stalin
There is a difference in gaming and stealing a nomination and winning a general election campaign …. the Electoral College. For BO that map is shrinking.
The Democratic controlled Congress has the lowest approval rating and some candidates are staying clear of Cupcake. I know we have over 7 weeks remaining, but it’s good to see the Republicans on the offensive.
You know I really have to start proofing my posts. Lol.
Imagine what things would be like if PUMA did not exist? I mean the whole just say no deal coalition.
Loved the SNL monologue!!!!
All I know is that as a Christian, my beliefs do not swing in any manner towards Islamic/Muslim or Marxist beliefs. I also know that my grandchildren have to be taught to stand by their Christianity, because they will be ones most targeted by these indoctrinations. I’m not very good at words, but I can tell you this…Christians have survived for decades – even through efforts of genocide and religious wars. I am fully aware of the silent groups moving amongst us and I will speak up every chance I get. I am a Christian, I love my country, I love my Consitution, I love my flag! I’m getting older, and I may have to “fall on my sword” for this battle, but it is one I will be honored to do! I also believe In God We Trust!!
Or opening scene, or whatever it’s called.
Does anyone know if pictures from the Convention have been collected and assembled anywhere? Is there a link on the action page?
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Good idea!
If I remember correctly, the pattern is propaganda to make the existing government appear illegitimate,
followed by selective “actions” designed to silence opposition, portray any action against the “movement’ as oppression.
Thats stage 1.
Genevieve:
Actually I would have to disagree with you. McCain/Palin are able to win but only if it’s fair. To your other point, I’ve noticed that more of us do not have stickers or signs for JM or Hillary. The Obots are out to destroy anyone who don’t agree with them, for instance using the race card. It’s a disgrace and I want to know why it’s ok for them to have signs all over the place. Like I said yesterday, we are civilized where they are animals.
#138 antifish It’s 8:30 west coast right now . . .We have to wait 3 more hours to see it I guess it’s worth the wait. Tina Fey plays Sara Palin? Who’s with her?
snowtiger on 09.13.08 at 11:33 pm
hmmm….good point! more like intimidation than terrorize I think at this point. But if I had those stickers, yeah you’re right they would terrorize me after what I’ve read on various blogs-they’re flat out creeepy.
I think either Carrie or Trish made videos on the Convention and they are posted on YouTube under Puma Pac – ??
Forget everything else and concentrate on this one basic principle: Democracy, one person, one vote. No exceptions.
No falling in line because some personality somewhere deserves something different to a few people, No falling in line because some personality has done a poor job on the other party’s watch. DEMOCRACY REIGNS SUPREME AS THE FOUNDATION OF OUR COUNTRY.
If you derail democracy, nothing else matters! You have just destroyed the very foundation our nation and our democratic society is based on!
And the candidate who is destroying democracy? OBAMA! THAT’S RIGHT, A VOTE FOR OBAMA IS A VOTE AGAINST DEMOCRACY!
There is nothing beyond that basic truth for me. We will work out the rest of it. Palin and McCain were not my first choice, Nader is not my first choice, but Democracy IS! All other issues pale in comparison to this. The voting rights bill, all civil rights legislation, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, and the Declaration of Independence, all swirl around this one principle: One person/One vote, all votes counting equally.
#139 1gypsy4mc ,
I couldn’t have said it better myself. I feel the same way.
I’d really like a Nobama sticker. Anyone know where I could get one?
Cassie on 09.13.08 at 11:39 pm
really, you think they could have won against Hillary?
My take was that republicans were ready and willing to vote for her rather than McCain.
144 Rancho
The other lady, I don’t know her name, is playing Hillary.
#140 antifish,
Hi anti.
“Shameful and Downright Perverse: The Traditional Media and Obama’s Support of Sex Shops and Kindergarten Sex Education”
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/13/shameful-and-downright-perverse-the-traditional-media-and-obamas-support-of-sex-shops-and-sex-education/#more-4791
148 texassherry Thanks. I also believe in the Lone Star of Texas!!!!! Yeah, go Texans go!
SNL was a riot! Tina and Amy just rocked. After all the angst of the past months, it felt good to laugh.
Did any of you read my post # 131? I would like to know if anyone saw 20 -20 last night? Could somone please reply?
#139 1gypsy4mc
I support you 100%.
Only religions I oppose are conversion or the sword variety.
145 Genevieve
That intimidation is the true goal of terrorism. Really, when you think about it, terrorist attacks by themselves are pretty meaningless.
Not to diminish the pain and suffering of victims or their families but, how much real damage was done by the 9/11 attacks? Thousands killed and a couple buildings knocked down. The real damage was the fear it instilled.
Intimidation, just like the thugs for “O’ are doing. No difference.
Henrietta You go girl!!!
And the candidate who is destroying democracy? OBAMA! THAT’S RIGHT, A VOTE FOR OBAMA IS A VOTE AGAINST DEMOCRACY!
56 Bella-Me
Sorry Bella , didn’t see it.
PUMA PAC YOUTUBE Tube Channel:
http://www.youtube.com/group/PUMApac
I just wanted to know if any one saw 20 – 20 and what they thought after seeing the entire interview unedited. Thank you snowtiger for acknowleding you never saw it.
I’m out for a bit. Will peek in later. Have fun! And be excellent to each other…
snowtiger on 09.13.08 at 11:45 pm
Yeah..you’re right. I see what you mean. I guess they did get to me!
#150 gene
So sorry. Didn’t understand. Thought you meant Jm against Nobama. My bad.
Bella I did not see it either.
Bella-Me on 09.13.08 at 11:48 pm
No, I did not.
Nite PUMA
Will be back tomorrow
156 Bella-Me missed them both – the original and the re-run
nite Lotus
Rancho, you want “nobama” bumper stickers?
http://www.mccainpowell.com/
http://www.stickershoppe.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=R73&Category_Code=republican&Store_Code=SS
http://www.mccainstore.com/line_nobama.htm
..and some kind of counter-move to Moveon’s free pro-Obama giveaways, someone is offering 1 million free nobama bumper stickers: http://www.totallyfreestuff.com/index.asp?ID=16526
I was thinking of making some NoBama stickers and sending them out en masse like the poster. But where would we put those stickers. We can’t put them on our cars. I kinda put everything on hold. Someone posted that yard signs etc have questionable effectiveness. Ditto stickers ?
Cassie on 09.13.08 at 11:49 pm
no sweat!
161 Bella-Me
Lol my pleasure.
I assure you everyone reads the posts but, we rarely chime in with “no sorry”.
You are not being ignored though, sometimes we all feel that way.
=hugs=
#126 SouthJersey
You are soooo brave.
#163 Genevieve
THAT Genevieve is the true power of terrorism.
We change and never know we do.
Who would have thought in our modern world Americans, in their own country. would be afraid to voice their opinions? You are not alone I assure you. Many people have fallen into this trap.
Hey Y’all,
I just had a new visitor on my website that gave me some great information. The opposition keeps saying that McCain is behind times and doesn’t know how to use the internet and that isn’t true after all. He can’t type because of pain from his war injuries but is very internet saavy and does use it with Cindy’s help. Read this link about how he was using internet for his campaigning clear back in 2000
http://www.forbes.com/asap/2000/0529/053_print.html
158 1gypsy4mc
We need to add that to condone the destruction of the one person one vote concept is to destroy democracy to our credo at the top of this page, like this:
Puma PAC, People United Means Action, is Protesting the 2008 Election. We are Democrats who will vote for President this year in Protest. We will not support the Selected presidential nominee. Millions of us will vote John McCain as a PROTEST against the DNC and the Obama Movement. Millions will vote 3rd Party or leave the top spot BLANK. Not because we are angry or bitter or sore losers. Not because we are shrieking holdouts. We are Protesting the 2008 Election because the DNC and the Obama Movement used dirty tricks and disenfranchisement to grab the nomination, undermining the very basic principle of democracy itself.
Its really too bad so many people did not watch 20 -20 because when you see the entire interview unedited Sarah Palin really did come over as inteligent, strong, well informed and held her own. Charlie was not as condescending as ABC showed in the first one.
I would recommend for everyone to try to find a site with the 20 – 20 entire interview.
Okay got to go, you all have a good night.
You all have to check out this article I found. The historical facts are astounding. The article link is http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110011033. I posted the entire article below.
Whitewash
The racist history the Democratic Party wants you to forget.
by BRUCE BARTLETT
Monday, December 24, 2007 12:01 a.m. EST
In his new book, “The Conscience of a Liberal,” New York Times columnist Paul Krugman makes a strong case for his belief that the political success of the Republican Party and the conservative movement over the past 40 years has resulted largely from their co-optation of Southern racists that were the base of the Democratic Party until its embrace of civil rights in the 1960s. A key piece of evidence for Mr. Krugman is that Ronald Reagan gave his first speech after accepting the Republican presidential nomination in 1980 near Philadelphia, Miss., where three civil rights workers were murdered in 1964. In the course of this speech, Reagan said he supported “states’ rights.” Mr. Krugman says this was code declaring his secret sympathy for Southern racism.
Others, including Mr. Krugman’s Times colleague David Brooks and Reagan biographer Lou Cannon, have come to Reagan’s defense, denying that he was a racist or had any racist intent in his 1980 speech. That’s fine but unlikely to change the minds of those like Mr. Krugman who are determined to smear the Republican Party with the charge of racism, and who are adept at finding racist code words like “law and order” by Republicans that are completely convincing to liberals and Democrats in support of this accusation, even though they are invisible to those with no political ax to grind.
However, if a single mention of states’ rights 27 years ago is sufficient to damn the Republican Party for racism ever afterwards, what about the 200-year record of prominent Democrats who didn’t bother with code words? They were openly and explicitly for slavery before the Civil War, supported lynching and “Jim Crow” laws after the war, and regularly defended segregation and white supremacy throughout most of the 20th century.
Following are some quotes from prominent Democrats largely drawn from my new book, “Wrong on Race: The Democratic Party’s Buried Past.” Even with the exclusion of all quotes that contain the N-word, it is clear that many of the Democratic Party’s most important historical figures have long made statements that reduce Reagan’s alleged transgression to a drop in the ocean. If we are going to hold him and his party accountable for a single mention of states’ rights, then the party of those listed below is far more culpable in promoting and defending racism.
Blacks “are inferior to the whites in the endowments of both of body and mind.”
–Thomas Jefferson, 1787
Co-founder of the Democratic Party (along with Andrew Jackson)
President, 1801-09
“I hold that the present state of civilization, where two races of different origin, and distinguished by color, and other physical differences, as well as intellectual, are brought together, the relation now existing in the slaveholding states between the two, is, instead of an evil, a good–a positive good.”
–Sen. John C. Calhoun (D., S.C.), 1837
Vice President, 1825-32
His statue stands in the U.S. Capitol.
If blacks were given the right to vote, that would “place every splay-footed, bandy-shanked, hump-backed, thick-lipped, flat-nosed, woolly-headed, ebon-colored Negro in the country upon an equality with the poor white man.”
–Rep. Andrew Johnson, (D., Tenn.), 1844
President, 1865-69
“Resolved, That the Democratic Party will resist all attempts at renewing, in Congress or out of it, the agitation of the slavery question, under whatever shape or color the attempt may be made.”
–Platform of the Democratic Party, 1852
Blacks are “a subordinate and inferior class of beings who had been subjugated by the dominant race.”
–Chief Justice Roger Taney, Dred Scott v. Sandford, 1856
Appointed Attorney General by Andrew Jackson in 1831
Appointed Secretary of the Treasury by Andrew Jackson in 1833
Appointed to the Supreme Court by Andrew Jackson in 1836
“Resolved, That claiming fellowship with, and desiring the co-operation of all who regard the preservation of the Union under the Constitution as the paramount issue–and repudiating all sectional parties and platforms concerning domestic slavery, which seek to embroil the States and incite to treason and armed resistance to law in the Territories; and whose avowed purposes, if consummated, must end in civil war and disunion, the American Democracy recognize and adopt the principles contained in the organic laws establishing the Territories of Kansas and Nebraska as embodying the only sound and safe solution of the ’slavery question’ upon which the great national idea of the people of this whole country can repose in its determined conservatism of the Union–NON-INTERFERENCE BY CONGRESS WITH SLAVERY IN STATE AND TERRITORY, OR IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA” (emphasis in original).
–Platform of the Democratic Party, 1856
“I hold that a Negro is not and never ought to be a citizen of the United States. I hold that this government was made on the white basis; made by the white men, for the benefit of white men and their posterity forever, and should be administered by white men and none others.”
–Sen. Stephen A. Douglas (D., Ill.), 1858
Presidential nominee of the Democratic Party, 1860
“Resolved, That the enactments of the State Legislatures to defeat the faithful execution of the Fugitive Slave Law, are hostile in character, subversive of the Constitution, and revolutionary in their effect.”
–Platform of the Democratic Party, 1860
“The Almighty has fixed the distinction of the races; the Almighty has made the black man inferior, and, sir, by no legislation, by no military power, can you wipe out this distinction.”
–Rep. Fernando Wood (D., N.Y.), 1865
Mayor of New York City, 1855-58, 1860-62
“My fellow citizens, I have said that the contest before us was one for the restoration of our government; it is also one for the restoration of our race. It is to prevent the people of our race from being exiled from their homes–exiled from the government which they formed and created for themselves and for their children, and to prevent them from being driven out of the country or trodden under foot by an inferior and barbarous race.”
–Francis P. Blair Jr., accepting the Democratic nomination for Vice President, 1868
Democratic Senator from Missouri, 1869-72His statue stands in the U.S. Capitol.
“Instead of restoring the Union, it [the Republican Party] has, so far as in its power, dissolved it, and subjected ten states, in time of profound peace, to military despotism and Negro supremacy.”
–Platform of the Democratic Party, 1868
“While the tendency of the white race is upward, the tendency of the colored race is downward.”
–Sen. Thomas Hendricks (D., Ind.), 1869
Democratic nominee for Vice President, 1876
Vice President, 1885
“We, the delegates of the Democratic party of the United States . . . demand such modification of the treaty with the Chinese Empire, or such legislation within constitutional limitations, as shall prevent further importation or immigration of the Mongolian race.”
–Platform of the Democratic Party, 1876
“No more Chinese immigration, except for travel, education, and foreign commerce, and that even carefully guarded.”
–Platform of the Democratic Party, 1880
“American civilization demands that against the immigration or importation of Mongolians to these shores our gates be closed.”
–Platform of the Democratic Party, 1884
“We favor the continuance and strict enforcement of the Chinese exclusion law, and its application to the same classes of all Asiatic races.”
–Platform of the Democratic Party, 1900
“The repeal of the fifteenth amendment, one of the greatest blunders and therefore one of the greatest crimes in political history, is a consummation to be devoutly wished for.”
–Rep. John Sharpe Williams (D., Miss.), 1903
House Minority Leader, 1903-08
“Republicanism means Negro equality, while the Democratic Party means that the white man is supreme. That is why we Southerners are all Democrats.”
–Sen. Ben Tillman (D., S.C.), 1906
Chairman, Committee on Naval Affairs, 1913-19
“We are opposed to the admission of Asiatic immigrants who can not be amalgamated with our population, or whose presence among us would raise a race issue and involve us in diplomatic controversies with Oriental powers.”
–Platform of the Democratic Party, 1908
“I am opposed to the practice of having colored policemen in the District [of Columbia]. It is a source of danger by constantly engendering racial friction, and is offensive to thousands of Southern white people who make their homes here.”
–Sen. Hoke Smith (D., Ga.), 1912
Appointed Secretary of the Interior by Grover Cleveland in 1893
“The South is serious with regard to its attitude to the Negro in politics. The South understands this subject, and its policy is unalterable and uncompromising. We desire no concessions. We seek no sops. We grasp no shadows on this subject. We take no risks. We abhor a Northern policy of catering to the Negro in politics just as we abhor a Northern policy of social equality.”
–Josephus Daniels, editor, Raleigh News & Observer, 1912
Appointed Secretary of the Navy by Woodrow Wilson in 1913
Appointed Ambassador to Mexico by Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1933
USS Josephus Daniels named for him by the Johnson Administration in 1965
“The Negro as a race, in all the ages of the world, has never shown sustained power of self-development. He is not endowed with the creative faculty. . . . He has never created for himself any civilization. . . . He has never had any civilization except that which has been inculcated by a superior race. And it is a lamentable fact that his civilization lasts only so long as he is in the hands of the white man who inculcates it. When left to himself he has universally gone back to the barbarism of the jungle.”
–Sen. James Vardaman (D., Miss.), 1914
Chairman, Committee on Natural Resources, 1913-19
“This is a white man’s country, and will always remain a white man’s country.”
–Rep. James F. Byrnes (D., S.C.), 1919
Appointed to the Supreme Court by Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1941
Appointed Secretary of State by Harry S. Truman in 1945
“Slavery among the whites was an improvement over independence in Africa. The very progress that the blacks have made, when–and only when–brought into contact with the whites, ought to be a sufficient argument in support of white supremacy–it ought to be sufficient to convince even the blacks themselves.”
–William Jennings Bryan, 1923
Presidential nominee of the Democratic Party, 1896, 1900 and 1908
Appointed Secretary of State by Woodrow Wilson in 1913
His statue stands in the U.S. Capitol.
“Anyone who has traveled to the Far East knows that the mingling of Asiatic blood with European or American blood produces, in nine cases out of ten, the most unfortunate results. . . . The argument works both ways. I know a great many cultivated, highly educated and delightful Japanese. They have all told me that they would feel the same repugnance and objection to have thousands of Americans settle in Japan and intermarry with the Japanese as I would feel in having large numbers of Japanese coming over here and intermarry with the American population. In this question, then, of Japanese exclusion from the United States it is necessary only to advance the true reason–the undesirability of mixing the blood of the two peoples. . . . The Japanese people and the American people are both opposed to intermarriage of the two races–there can be no quarrel there.”
–Franklin D. Roosevelt, 1925
President, 1933-45
“This passport which you have given me is a symbol to me of the passport which you have given me before. I do not feel that it would be out of place to state to you here on this occasion that I know that without the support of the members of this organization I would not have been called, even by my enemies, the ‘Junior Senator from Alabama.’ ”
–Hugo Black, accepting a life membership in the Ku Klux Klan upon his election to the U.S. Senate as a Democrat from Alabama, 1926
Appointed to the Supreme Court by Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1937
“Mr. President, the crime of lynching . . . is not of sufficient importance to justify this legislation.”
–Sen. Claude Pepper (D., Fla.), 1938
Spoken while engaged in a six-hour speech against the antilynching bill
“I am a former Kleagle [recruiter] of the Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County. . . . The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia. It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state in the union.”
–Robert C. Byrd, 1946
Democratic Senator from West Virginia, 1959-present
Senate Majority Leader, 1977-80 and 1987-88
Senate President Pro Tempore, 1989-95, 2001-03, 2007-present
His portrait stands in the U.S. Capitol.
President Truman’s civil rights program “is a farce and a sham–an effort to set up a police state in the guise of liberty. I am opposed to that program. I have voted against the so-called poll tax repeal bill. . .. I have voted against the so-called anti-lynching bill.”
–Rep. Lyndon B. Johnson (D., Texas), 1948
U.S. Senator, 1949-61
Senate Majority Leader, 1955-61
President, 1963-69
“There is no warrant for the curious notion that Christianity favors the involuntary commingling of the races in social institutions. Although He knew both Jews and Samaritans and the relations existing between them, Christ did not advocate that courts or legislative bodies should compel them to mix socially against their will.”
–Sen. Sam Ervin (D., N.C.), 1955
Chairman, Committee on Government Operations, 1971-75
“The decline and fall of the Roman empire came after years of intermarriage with other races. Spain was toppled as a world power as a result of the amalgamation of the races. . . . Certainly history shows that nations composed of a mongrel race lose their strength and become weak, lazy and indifferent.”
–Herman E. Talmadge, 1955
Democratic Senator from Georgia, 1957-81
Chairman, Committee on Agriculture, 1971-81
“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again.”
–Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson (D., Texas), 1957
“I have never seen very many white people who felt they were being imposed upon or being subjected to any second-class citizenship if they were directed to a waiting room or to any other public facility to wait or to eat with other white people. Only the Negroes, of all the races which are in this land, publicly proclaim they are being mistreated, imposed upon, and declared second-class citizens because they must go to public facilities with members of their own race.”
–Sen. Richard B. Russell Jr. (D., Ga.), 1961
The Russell Senate Office Building is named for him.
“I did not lie awake at night worrying about the problems of Negroes.”
–Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, 1961
Kennedy later authorized wiretapping the phones and bugging the hotel rooms of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
“I’m not going to use the federal government’s authority deliberately to circumvent the natural inclination of people to live in ethnically homogeneous neighborhoods. . . . I have nothing against a community that’s made up of people who are Polish or Czechoslovakian or French-Canadian or blacks who are trying to maintain the ethnic purity of their neighborhoods.”
–Jimmy Carter, 1976
President, 1977-81
Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, 2002
“The Confederate Memorial has had a special place in my life for many years. . . . There were many, many times that I found myself drawn to this deeply inspiring memorial, to contemplate the sacrifices of others, several of whom were my ancestors, whose enormous suffering and collective gallantry are to this day still misunderstood by most Americans.”
–James Webb, 1990
Now a Democratic Senator from Virginia
“Everybody likes to go to Geneva. I used to do it for the Law of the Sea conferences and you’d find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they’d just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva.”
–Sen. Ernest F. Hollings (D., S.C.) 1993
Chairman, Commerce Committee, 1987-95 and 2001-03
Candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, 1984
“I do not think it is an exaggeration at all to say to my friend from West Virginia [Sen. Robert C. Byrd, a former Ku Klux Klan recruiter] that he would have been a great senator at any moment. . . . He would have been right during the great conflict of civil war in this nation.”
–Sen. Christopher Dodd (D., Conn.), 2004
Chairman, Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs
Candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, 2008
* “You cannot go into a Dunkin’ Donuts or a 7-Eleven unless you have a slight Indian accent.”
* “My state was a slave state. My state is a border state. My state has the eighth largest black population in the country. My state is anything [but] a Northeastern liberal state.”
* “I mean, you got the first mainstream African American [Barack Obama] who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice looking guy.”
* “There’s less than 1% of the population of Iowa that is African American. There is probably less than 4% or 5% that is, are minorities. What is it in Washington? So look, it goes back to what you start off with, what you’re dealing with.”
Sen. Joseph Biden Jr., (D., Del.), 2006-07
Chairman, Committee on the Judiciary, 1987-95
Chairman, Committee on Foreign Relations
Candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, 2008
Bonus quote:
“It has of late become the custom of the men of the South to speak with entire candor of the settled and deliberate policy of suppressing the negro vote. They have been forced to choose between a policy of manifest injustice toward the blacks and the horrors of negro rule. They chose to disfranchise the negroes. That was manifestly the lesser of two evils. . . . The Republican Party committed a great public crime when it gave the right of suffrage to the blacks. . . . So long as the Fifteenth Amendment stands, the menace of the rule of the blacks will impend, and the safeguards against it must be maintained.”
–Editorial, “The Political Future of the South,” New York Times, May 10, 1900)
Mr. Bartlett is author of “Wrong on Race: The Democratic Party’s Buried Past,” to be published next month by Palgrave Macmillan, which is available from the OpinionJournal bookstore.
#161 Bella-Me
I think folks were discussing the Gibson interview earlier, on the thread before this one . . .
:rose:
good night pumas
I nearly lost my job over this stuff today. I was trying to explain to the woman I work for about all the things we don’t know about Obama, such as his school records, birth certificate issue, radical acquaintances, religious background and the possibility he may be a closet muslim.
She jumped all over me, telling me that was all a bunch of nonsense and that if there was a grain of truth to any of it, it would be all over MSM.
So I tried to tell her about MSM being in the tank for O. Again, she said I was outrageous to think that the media would do anything like that. I meekly tried to bring up the widespread fraud in the primaries and caucus.That’s when she said she always liked me but if I’m going to talk like that she might have to rethink keeping me on. I was like, OMG.
She is a retired school teacher and her husband is a retired U. S.history professor at the local university and does correspondence classes in history and they both think Obama is the smartest candidate we’ve ever had. I said, so was hitler in Germany.
Finally, she said I am the best she’s ever had at my job so everything is ok for now. I guess… I hope.
177 HeneriettaGet with Murphy and see if she can do that. Many of the other sites already display this attitude. We have to maintain Democracy any way that we can. Country first!!!
173 snowtiger Thank you for your kind post. I was feeling a bit invisible.
Have a good night.
Bella-Me asked if others viewed the 20-20 interview.
If you missed, You can read the entire full excerpts of Charlie Gibson’s interviews of Sarah Palin at http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5795641&page=1
The article contains the first interview and at the top (2nd paragraph) they provide links to the other interviews.
#170 kat in your hat
Wow! I’m impressed! You are quite a resource!
178 Bella-Me and Lotus Boy Good nite
snowtiger on 09.13.08 at 11:54 pm
At work, Obama’s fanatic supporters were shoving their rhetoric down my throat one day and I finally spat all the facts down their throat after reading The case against BO, Obamanation, NewsMax & the like… and they actually have left me alone ever since. I had endured their crap since April.
However, my car & house with the little ones playing in the front yard, are off limits.
184 Bella-Me
My pleasure. It happens a lot. People get going on one thing or another and start researching on the net and some pumas get no response. Lol. Been a problem from day one.
Always remember you are amongst family.
Have a great week.:)
where’s 007girls haven’t been on for a long time, I am getting tired of all these people I like leaving. Does anyone know what happened?????????????
#188 BillieJo on 09.13.08 at 8:54 pm
Jennforhillary, I work in Berkeley and am alone there too. It sucks.
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We should trade contact info! Always nice to know local PUMAS!
snowtiger on 09.13.08 at 11:54 pm
…and to think we were all democrats at the time. I have since become independent in protest against BO.
#182 Alice1943,
I am so sorry that you had to go through that. That is pretty bad when you have to worry about losing your job because you have a difference in opinion. I too have had bad experiences at jobs I have worked because I didn’t have the same opinion as the boss. I never got fired but was treated badly because of it. That is just so wrong.
#188 Genevieve
I dont blame you for one minute. When I take my aged mother or father out I am very very quiet.
We have to be however, we won’t be come november 4th.
#182 Alice1943
Damn. Get a small voice activated recorder and carry it in your pocket. Document this crap. You may need it I am sorry to say.
184 Bella-Me,
Please don’t feel ignored. I am switching back and forth between two sites and by the time I get to some posts the person is already signing off. I read all of them but am too slow to answer all. Good Night to you.
171 freddiebrown No, we have to put them on cars and other places that already have Obama stickers on them.
I did that in the primaries with my Hillary bumperstickers. Just covered over the O stickers. LOL
181 caribbeanpuma nite
#192 Genevieve
One thing about we Americans, we have the damndest way of winning in the end.
Just ask Gorbachev.
#190 slyt2 I was just thinking the same thing about 007 today. The last time I “talked” with her was a week before the conventiuon. There was an LA meet-up and she was thinking abt. going.
(Thanks for your prayers for my husband. He’s still recuperating. . .but the surgeon thinks all the cancer was removed. He gets his stitches out this week. . .the incision was 10 inches
and he’ll have a body scan next week. Things are looking up, and I appreciated your kind words.
I miss seeing halligan, too! Anyone see her?
193 texassherry Thanks, sherry. What really hurts is that, because of the difference of opinions, it changes how they feel about me as a person.
Well I got to go. Good night all and never give up.
We pumas don’t do that.
I yield not, I fight.
Snowtiger . . where are you in CA . . North or South?
#190 slyt2 ,
We have lost a lot of good pumas since the convention. I hope now that now that many of us have separate blog sites for expressing our variety of opinions that we won’t lose so many or that some will come back. In the beginning we all had the same goal of getting Hillary elected. Now we have many different ideas on how to keep Obama out of the whitehouse so have to be really careful not to attack each other for their different views on how to accomplish that.
182 Alice1943 Document that with date and time, etc. Use it in the future if you have to! Write down the “whole” conversation. She is creating a “hostile environment” for you. It is against the law. She threatened you with your job. Let me at her!!
#194 snowtiger
….and I can’t wait!!!
It will be the ultimate slap in the face and hopefully THE wake up call to the DNC and WE can then reclaim democracy! The New Democratic Party.. the NDP!
Well light out for me..night night PUMAs
=big hugs=
pumasupporter
Did you know that Martin Luther King was a Republican? Even recently, Coward Dean and Carter had made racist remarks. Carter called Nobama “boy”. They seem to blame Repubs. for racism when they themselves do it quite often.
205 1gypsy4mc But she is a good friend of mine. That she is a supporter of Obama doesn’t affect my feelings for our friendship.
Alice1943
I can’t believe you had to go through that crap. I’ll get 1gypsy4mc to sic them.
Cassie, I’ve never been able to find any proof but yes I’ve heard that MLK was a Republican. I know for a fact that his father was because he openly campaigned for Richard Nixon when he ran against JFK.
#201 Alice1943 ,
I know exactly how you feel. I left my last job because of the way I was treated. I stayed longer than I wanted to because I didn’t want to give them the satisfaction of thinking they ran me off but I hated going to work every day even though I loved the job I was doing. I wish I could give you advice but I have none except maybe work is not the place to discuss politics especially this year. Everyone is so passionate about their beliefs on both sides. All we can do is get the truth out there and hope it all works out in the end.
210 pumasupporter The National Black Republicans – Martin Luther King WAS a Republican!!
#202 snowtiger ,
Good nite. It has been nice chatting with you.
Alice1943
Sometimes you shouldn’t try to convince someone who doesn’t want to listen. My sister is voting for Nobama. We had fought before about issues and it wasn’t very pretty. Now I just avoid it as much as possible. Don’t feel bad.
185 NoHillaryNoVote Thank you I am sure I will catch on to how this all works.
180 Bluejay I am new at posting here and was gone all day. I just wanted to share with all of you I watched the 20 – 20 Gibson/Palin interview in its entirety and it was so much better than the edited one most people saw Thursday evening. Reading the transcript does not do it justice. Watching the interaction between Charlie and Sarah especially when they walked along the pipeline and sitting in her living room was quite nice. ABC chose to show the strained edited part. What a shame.
Now I really do have to go. This can be addictive and time consuming.
209 Cassie You’re funny!
Hello, my PUMA friends:
Pilate seems to be the most common memory I have of my moral instruction growing up with Methodist grandparents, even more than the story of the Good Samaritan. Pilate’s sin was that he didn’t take a stand, and to this day it is bone deep within me that that’s just not acceptable. BTW, I saw today that another way to look at Pilate was he voted PRESENT.
Browsing your blog for the past week I see many are struggling with the idea of actually voting for a Republican. Perhaps I can provide some perspective. World War I ended in an armistice which left Germany room to rationalize her defeat and ultimately to rearm and (from the German point of view) resume the war they were tricked into abandoning. So in WWII, the allies decided that only unconditional surrender would be acceptable. The result was we kicked the daylights – and the militarism – out of both Germany and Japan. We gave them such a pounding that to this day they are extremely reluctant to let their troops get anywhere near any fighting. To do this, we had to ally ourselves with Uncle Joe Stalin. In fact, great as the West’s contribution was, the Russians bore the major burden of the fight against Hitler.
If you want to successfully reclaim the Democratic party, or replace it with a New Democratic party, you are going to have to help in defeating Obama, Dean and the rest of the miscreants so badly that they have no fight left in them – no appetite for rationalizations, shifting blame, or other ways of denial. If you want your party back, then it must suffer a crushing, humiliating, devastating loss this year, to the point where Dean and his henchman are totally discredited.
The wheels are starting to come off the Obama campaign. Obama’s already got all the votes he’s going to get. Barring some huge negative event / disclosure on the Republican side, Obama is going to lose. He was going to lose anyway, but the addition of Palin has markedly increased his margin of defeat. But given the Obama / Dean crowd’s capacity for self-deception, it still might not be enough for the party to purge them. So you might want to look at it this way: If FDR could make common cause with Stalin for the greater good, can’t you make common cause with the Republicans this one time for the good of your party?
All you wonderful Pumas – I’m hitting the “hay”. Gotta give rest to these old bones!! Prayers to all of you.
Did you guys read the posts from downstairs about the joke I had posted?
Someone earlier mentioned that Obama’s people bus voters from precinct to precint . It would be in our interest to watch these buses, video tape and follow them. It would be one damning piece of evidence.
I live really close to one (it is an AA church) and have a new video camera. Worth thinking about.
219 Cassie – I can’t go to bed without you telling it!!
#218 1gypsy4mc ,
Goodnight gypsy. Thank you for visiting our site. It was great chatting with you. Sweet dreams.
A teacher in Elmira , New York asked her 6th grade
class how many of them were Obama fans. Not really
knowing what an Obama fan is, but wanting to be liked
by the teacher, All the kids raised their hands except for
Little Johnny.
The teacher asked Little Johnny why he has decided to
be different again.
Little Johnny said, ‘Because I’m not an Obama fan.’
The teacher asked, ‘Why aren’t you an Obama fan?’
Johnny said, ‘Because I’m a Republican.’
The teacher asked him why he’s a Republican.
Little Johnny answered, ‘Well, my Mom’s a Republican
and my Dad’s a Republican, so I’m a Republican.’
Annoyed by this answer, the teacher asked, ‘If your
mom was a moron and your dad was an idiot, What
would that make you?’
With a big smile, Little Johnny replied, ‘That would
make me an Obama fan.’
#217 JackOkie
It is really sad that it would have to come to such an action but what you said is very profound. Thanks
#220 freddiebrown ,
That is a great idea. I know they aren’t doing it in my town though. It is really small and not many people here.
funny Cassie……roflmao.
#191 jennforhillary on 09.14.08 at 12:04 am
#188 BillieJo on 09.13.08 at 8:54 pm
Jennforhillary, I work in Berkeley and am alone there too. It sucks.
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We should trade contact info! Always nice to know local PUMAS!
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We should all meet some time, Greenfun and Goandersen are all in the bay area too, and I think hillsforhillary too?
#223 Cassie,
223 Cassie That was good Cassie. nite!
Good night.
170 kat in your hat
Would you mind copying and pasting that post with links for the action center? send to actioncenter@pumapac.org
I would do it myself, but I can’t…
Thanks.
This is a new ad running in Michigan. I know some were asking when the Rep 527 groups were going to start hitting back. I think they’ve started.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt-cWRpS02I
1gypsy4mc
Thank you gypsy! I really did laugh when the smiley appeared.
hi texassherry & Dances,
Sorry I will miss talking w/you tonite, headed out for the movies.
Did want to tell you that there is a funny video on annabelle’s site. p.s. Hi annabelle!
goofsmom
I think they’re waiting closer to Nov.4. That way it’ll be fresher in people’s minds. Alot of people weren’t interested in the election until the convention was held. There must be more out there in other swing states.
#235 hillstheone,
Have fun at the movies. Good night.
wow. Anyone watching snl? The “news” was too much for me. But maybe I’ve lost my sense of humor lately. Must be nice for BO to have a popular show as an in-the-bag, talking points spreading device. Makes me feel like Big Brother– spoon feeding the masses the BO campaign slogans word for word.
#176 texassherry
That was me, Amarissa, they know me here. I was checking out your site and left you that link because it is worth a BIT PROWL!
I MEANT BIG PROWL! lol
#238 Amarissa ,
I thought you looked familiar but I don’t thin we have ever chatted before. That was a great link and you are right about it needing a prowl. That is why I copied it over here. Good Job.
I meant think instead of thin. I think my fingers are getting tired
texassherry
Could you give me the link to your site so I could save it to my fav.
232 goofsmom
it’s about time! good ad! thanks for posting link
#242 Cassie,
http://mcpalinmavericks.wordpress.com
Thanks.
Just a random thought:
I grew up in very poor neighborhood in Manhattan. One third black, one third Puerto Rican, one third poor white and off-white, and a smattering of Asian Americans.
I relocated to Northern, CA as an adult and lved in Berkeley, and after a while, bought a house in Oakland.
Oakland is approximately 1/5 Pacific Islander, 1/5 Asian, 1/5 Black, 1/5 white, 1/5 Vietnamese.
I’ve lived more than several decades. In my entire life, never once have I been called racist, (that is, until obama’s crew, among other things, called me a racist), and never once has a Black man or woman said to me:
“Oh, by the way, did I mention I’m Black?”
(that is, until obama…).
#238 Amarissa ,
Have you submitted that info to Murphy or Will so that they can start a prowl?
I don’t have enough regulars on my site yet to initiate prowls but hope to in the near future.
#182, Alice1943. Document the date, time and content of the conversation with your boss. Should she terminate your employment without cause, you may have a wrongful discharge suit.
Even though the documentation you write is your version of the event, the date and time helps to support your claim.
Do not let her bully you – avoid further political conversations, with her of course. But do not allow her to intimidate you with your job.
235 hillstheone
Hi Hills! Full report on the movie when you return. I don’t get out much anymore.
I found something else about the real history of women’s suffrage. This may explain the current DNC’s treatment of both Hillary and Palin.
“The Republican Party pioneered the right of women to vote and was consistent in its support throughout the long campaign for acceptance. It was the first major party to advocate equal rights for women and the principle of equal pay for equal work.
The Women’s Rights Convention held in Seneca Falls, N.Y., in 1848 marked the beginning of the women’s suffrage movement in the United States. Two years later there was a nationwide meeting in Worcester, Mass.
By 1870, the Massachusetts Republican State Convention had already seated two suffragettes, Lucy Stone and Mary A. Livermore, as delegates. In addition, the National Republican Convention of 1872 approved a resolution favoring the admission of women to “wider fields of usefulness” and added that “the honest demand of this class of citizens for additional rights … should be treated with respectful consideration.”
Wyoming, the state that pioneered women’s suffrage, sent two women, Therese A. Jenkins and Cora G. Carleton, to the 1892 Republican Convention in Minneapolis as alternate delegates. This was the first time women were seated at a Republican National Convention.
This convention was also the first to be addressed by a woman, J. Ellen Foster, chairman of the Women’s Republican Association of the United States. A strong believer in organization, Foster said her association had prepared work plans for women’s involvement in national politics. Copies were given to each delegate and alternate. “We are here to help you,” she declared, “and we are here to stay.”
At the request of Susan B. Anthony, Sen. A.A. Sargent, a Republican from California, introduced the 19th Amendment in 1878. Sargent’s amendment (also known as the Susan B. Anthony Amendment) was defeated four times by a Democrat-controlled Senate. When the Republican Party regained control of Congress in 1919, the Equal Suffrage Amendment finally passed the House in May of that year and in the Senate in June.
When the Amendment was submitted to the states, 26 of the 36 states that ratified it had Republican legislatures. Of the nine states that voted against ratification, eight were Democratic. Twelve states, all Republican, had given women full suffrage before the federal amendment was ratified.
On August 18, 1920, Tennessee became the 36th and final state needed to ratify the amendment. The U.S. Secretary of State certified the amendment on Aug. 26, 1920.”
I use all pictures from SouthJerseyPuma taken during Democratic Denver Convention, PUMA rally.
Jersey thank you very much for the pictures. I hope all PUMA members are in the video I’ve just Posted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8atlgFlINCE
#249 pumasupporter
Thank you for the article. Very informative.
And, just so you know, the term “suffragettes” was a derogatory term used to demean “suffragists”.
pumasupporter
Seems like the Democratic party is both sexist and racist!
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/My-Two-Cents
Matt is back with a Exclusive Interview with Larry Sincalir on his past with Barack Obama, drug use, sexual allegations, Delaware-drama, Obama’s internet thugs, and so much more!!!!
DWP, I was not aware of that. I just did a copy and paste job. lol
Pumas, here is the handbook that Obama learned his “community organization” from. It was written by Saul Alinsky and is how Obama manipulates voting groups.
http://www.semcosh.org/AlinskyTactics.htm
I think it is very important to know the enemy’s game plan so to be better able to fight back. Pass it on…..
#245 DancesWithPumas ,
I know what you mean. I lived several years of my childhood in one of the poorest neighborhoods in Columbus Ohio. It was near the university and my neighborhood was right in the middle of the racial riots of 1968-69 at Ohio State University. I was one of the few kids that didn’t get attacked at my school because I was never perceived as a racists and got along with everyone. This year is the first time I have ever been called a racists too but only on the internet. I think it is just a tactic they like to use because they haven’t got anything else to throw at us. They are just frustrated because they can’t convince us to change our vote so they try to use the white guilt crap. It doesn’t work on me though because I haven’t done anything to be guilty of and refuse to take the blame for something that my ancestors may or may not have done to their ancestors.
A VILE OBAMA SUPPORTER WEB SITE
http://retardedbaby.net/
211 texassherry I just blame it all on Obama. The Usurper, Impostor, and destroyer.
#246 texassherry
I emailed it to Murphy, don’t know if she has seen it. Have not to Will Bower. Can you do it? I don’t have his email. I have been in his new site. Maybe I will leave it there also.
Thanks!
DancesWithPuma
I’m Vietnamese and was called a racist so don’t feel bad. These people are angry and hateful. They follow what their leader does.
Asian4Hillary
Nice video! Thanks.
You’re welcome DWP. You’re in the video
#255 As a matter of fact, we should use fire to fight fire. These tactics work. It is up to the individual to use them for either the good of all or the good of self. We know what Obama has used them for.
#253 BillieJo Maybe you can illuminate me . . I first heard abt. Larry Sinclair in May, but NEVER through the MSM. What gives? This is a BIG DEAL! I thought it was dropped because there wasn’t any credible proof. Why hasn’t FOX jumped on this bandwagon like Hannity did on Rev. Wright, Ayers, et al.
259 Amarissa
What is Will’s new site? Do you have a link?
Oh, and Hello, btw, long time no see.
texassherry, I am an African-American and I am so sick and tired of people calling good people racists and trying to make them feel white guilt. It is a tactic used to make you shut up. It’s disgusting. Just like the way that they did to the Clintons. Now, I haven’t been a fan of all of the things that the Clintons have done, but to call them racists? That’s absurd. It’s an old tactic used by the Nazis and the Communists. If you can’t beat your opponent on the issues, demean their character. If they call you a “racist”, they can write anything you say off as irrelevant because it’s coming from a “biased” source. But, just keep talking. Don’t let them shut you up.
@217, JackOkie. Well said. I pray McCain wins by a landslide.
257 scarlet That’s just disgusting. Whatever happened to dignity in our country? The author of that one must be the kid who’s mom is a moron and daddy is an idiot and he’s just another retardo.
262 Asian4Hillary on 09.14.08 at 1:03 am You’re welcome DWP. You’re in the video
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Please, don’t remind me!
#240 texassherry
I keep posting here that we should hit the media hard, it is the only way to be heard by the macro! We are short of time and need to bump ‘61 way down in the polls! The more letters the media gets, the more they will listen. Writing to single people like Oprah or someone like that, to me, does not get the attention we need right now. We must hit the media harder! send them all the lies we know about O. Of course, I am talking about things that are credible and backed with credible videos or writings.
the upload is giving me such a problem!! [pic's] but watching c span~ dedication of memorial to 911 in DC~ and now a tribute of Con. Tubbs Jones
254 pumasupporter
Yes, I figured you copied and pasted it. I still appreciate it though. I wasn’t trying to call you out or anything, just wanted you to know.
Whenever people have called me a Bi*ch, I just sweetly reply, “You say that like it’s a baaaad thing.” I think I’m gonna try that the next time someone calls me a damn racist.
Seems like nowadays, the only people who aren’t racists are dead.
#271 SouthJerseyPUMA on 09.14.08 at 1:08 am
Thank you for the pics.
#271 SouthJerseyPUMA on 09.14.08 at 1:08 am
#266 pumasupporter,
Thank you for your post. It is so nice to hear that Obama hasn’t corrupted all of the AA community. He has set back the women’s movement and the goals of the AA community because of his arrogant attitude. He doesn’t care about anyone but himself.
Oopsssssss Jersey I forgot to paste the URL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8atlgFlINCE
#265 DancesWithPumas
Hi Dances! nice to talk to you too, you know how much I like you!
I’ll get that link for you and will post it as soon as I find it!
270 Amarissa What about writing to Oprah’s advertisers and boycotting their products?
I’m not a racist. I’m just predjudiced toward bigots.
ohh pelosi shut your pie hole already!!! she is making nice! finally! talking about how Steph love everybody, name everyone but hil! ohh let me shut up!
#217 JackOkie
Kudos to your brilliant post! I agree completely anything short of Obama’s defeat is unacceptable and it can’t happen until we join forces with unlikely allies.
#270 Amarissa ,
Marylandpuma is usually the one that sets up prowls but I don’t know where she is. There is a list in the action senter of media that maybe can be used to do a prowl. I don’t know if Will is doing prowls at his new site. Try to repost it in the morning when their are more pumas online and maybe one of them will get a prowl worked up. I will email Will but don’t know if he will do it.
#265 DancesWithPumas
I think this is his site. It was linked on a email from him linking his article in the HP sent to a friend of mine.
http://www.puma08.com/
272 DWP, no harm done. I appreciate you letting me know.
252 Cassie, I’m not suggesting by any means that everyone in the Democratic Party is sexist or racist. But I do think that it’s important to note that the Democratic Party has a sexist and racist history that they want to run away from and anyone who wants to look, even lightly, will find it. I think that’s important because they take credit for things that they not only didn’t do, but that they were vehemently against. They fought civil rights. They fought women’s rights. The longest filibuster in history was when a Democrat senator spoke for 24 hours in an attempt to block passage of the Civil Rights Act. The fact that two of their biggest voting blocks (women and african-americans) don’t even know that they supported “equality” much later than the GOP is sad. The proof is in the pudding. This year, it’s clear that their “dedication” to women’s rights was a bunch of crap. They had to choose between one block or the other, and they did. But, I believe that they would throw African-Americans under the bus just as fast as they did women if it would benefit them. Once again, not an accusation against every rank-and-file Democrat. It is against the decision makers in the Party. They have always been sexist. They have always been racist. And it hasn’t really changed.
#282 texassherry
Ok, I will send it to Maryland PUMA also!
Have you seen the 9/10/08 post “What Goes Around: Obama Didn’t Mind Using Phony Outrage Against Hillary, Did He?” on the DONE site (Dems Over Nominating Elitists)? (link to site below)
I love the site’s header tag line: We didn’t leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party Left Us”
The article’s last paragraph is great, it reads (copied as appears in the post):
“Maybe if Obama had not riled up his fans, the media, and those around him with trumped up charges of racism at the Clintons, then he wouldn’t have been so blinded by ‘phony outrage’ to see how much he needs Bill and Hillary Democrats”
To read the article go to:
http://donedems.com/2008/09/10/what-goes-around-obama-didnt-mind-using-phony-outrage-against-hillary-did-he/
#284 pumasupporter,
You are right. It has always been the Republicans that have done more for civil rights and for women. The Democrats try to take credit but history tells it differently.
hehe Alice~ feisty kitty! gee i thought watching this was gonna be kinda nice, but first pelosi and then whats his name? reed? ok going back to pics! hey no one claped or stood for princess~ awww… i wonder if Hill is there? hmmm…
#282 texassherry
But maybe Will can send it to Fox or call them, I don’t know exactly how much contact he has with them but it’s worth a try.
I think this information is very important for the purpose of putting down Obama as a liar and heartless person.
#255 CyberFerret52 on 09.14.08 at 1:00 am
Pumas, here is the handbook that Obama learned his “community organization” from. It was written by Saul Alinsky and is how Obama manipulates voting groups.
http://www.semcosh.org/AlinskyTactics.htm
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This is super creepy!
The one thing Obie didn’t count on is his base going back to classes and short attention spans. Just looking at his website it seems as though it has really died down.
#71 texassherry Just put up a notification that due to the storm the blog will only be moderated (state the times you choose). You can always check over there between times if you feel the need. Hope it helps.
One thing that I wanted to bring to everyones attention, is to remember and keep reminding others by posting this often. BO CAN SPEAK MORE THAN ONE LANGUAGE!!
283 Amarissa
Oh, okay. That’s the site he’s had for some time now, aside from the Facebook one. Thanks.
#264 Rancho
I missed 99% of the show so I don’t know. It was listed on Riverdaughters site. The media has given obie a free pass though this whole election, so it isn’t unusual that they would also not address this.
#278 Alice1943
That is fine but it would have to be done in masses! they won’t begin to notice loss of sales until their next sales period (whenever that is). Don’t get me wrong, everything done here is great and I admire it with all my heart and appreciation! It’s just that we need to think what gets the quickest response to our purpose of NOBAMA! I am no expert but my work as an independent producer gives me some knowledge as of how the media works. If they get a lot of letters they know the people are informed and if they don’t report it, it would make them thought of as biased… IMHO
Murphy,
“Nothing on top”, is confusing to a LOT of people and is wasting valuable blog space due to discussions about it. I know you have already made your wishes known but, PLEASE reconsider. Thanks in advance.
#289 Amarissa ,
I sent it to Will. He is good about answering emails so I think he will let me know if he can’t or won’t do it.
#253 BillieJo Maybe you can illuminate me . . I first heard abt. Larry Sinclair in May, but NEVER through the MSM. What gives? This is a BIG DEAL! I thought it was dropped because there wasn’t any credible proof. Why hasn’t FOX jumped on this bandwagon like Hannity did on Rev. Wright, Ayers, et al.
Does ANYONE know more abt. this?
texassherry, the amazing thing about that is that they think that people are really stupid. They blatantly deny their history. They are clowns for denying it because anybody who wants to look will find it, so how can they deny a fact? You don’t even have to look that hard to find the evidence. There were Democrat lawmakers who actually shot and killed Republican Lawmakers over the GOP’s support for civil rights. People just need to be honest. And btw, Obama hasn’t corrupted me because I see through his crap. He can’t fool me. He’s not really change. He’s not even a New Democrat. He’s a pre-Clinton Democrat. The Clintons had finally swung the Democrat Party from the far left to the middle and now Obama wants to swing it to the left again. I want no parts of a lying, cheating, vindictive, arrogant, radical leftist like him.
#291 CyberFerret52 ,
That is a good idea. I may have to do that. If Prowland’s power is going to be off 2 weeks or more I will never be able to keep up by myself all day and night. Thank you for the suggestion.
#294 BillieJo Sorry BillieJo . .I just saw your post. When was it on Riverdaughter?
Does anyone know more abt. Larry Sinclair?
#299 pumasupporter ,
I agree with you completely.
billi jo
many years ago when i was a student at Cal i read that book….
listen.obama is not socialist.. neither is he a communist.. he’s nothing but a big phony political whore opportunist who will sell himself to the highest bidder..to get power he would sell out anyone.. anyone who believes that guy is a fool and sucker ..
russia,east european and china all had people talking communism while they were busy ripping people off and stealing everything they could get their hands on..same thing with obama..hes nothing but a political whore who wnats to feel good about his greed because he read a few books when he was young
Well… my eyes are crossing from trying to go back and forth on two sites. I am getting tired so will go back to my site for a little while and then call it a night.
Good nite y’all
#93 Asian4Hillary How about the Democrats are going to lose because they have no RESPECT! Not for the constitution, or women, or peoples rights, or…or…or…etc.
You decide it’s your video but, I think that theme would be very powerful.
#297 texassherry
Great! thanks!
texassherry
nite
and taking your lead – i’m outta here too
nite pumsa
ewwww went to cspan and obummer’s face is front and center on that Service Nation Summit.. cspan is in the tank! twice the time viewed as mac~ aww.. he suffers from runna round the caca bushmouth! you find your self asking wth did he say? ahhh ummm ut ut ut …
Night – texassherry
This article caught my eye and thought I would post for you guys to read. Maybe some can use the talking points.
http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=8795
See what you think.
Here is an article about Obamanomics – a must read!
http://www.stanford.edu/~boskin/Publications/On%20Obamanomics.pdf
i love reading my pumas stuff.
i can sleep better knowing im not the only one that didnt drink the cool-aid
IF BO is elected, law and order in america will be a joke……a very bad joke.
#276 Asian4Hillary on 09.14.08 at 1:11 am
Oopsssssss Jersey I forgot to paste the URL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8atlgFlINCE
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Awesome! Great job and thank you.
Dances- can you put it on the website for us?
#303 osaka puma on 09.14.08 at 1:34 am
billi jo
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Now they think he walks on water because he is a minority. Booooooooo flipin’ whoooo.
Reality check, women are minorities even though we are 51 % of the population!
Perhaps, McCain is computer illiterate, I don’t know but I rather doubt that.
One thing I have no doubt about whatsover is that Obama is Eonomy Iliterate. It’s all over for America if he implements his proposals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkAVJfZRIpw
Okay, kick back…breath in and watch this uplifting video and remember why we are here… when there was still hope for Hillary.
#315 Alice1943
Hi Alice1943!
McCain is not computer illiterate. Please read this article from Forbes in the year 2000. We have been discussing here. It is his physical limitations that prevent him from typing!
http://www.forbes.com/asap/2000/0529/053_print.html
obama has the nerve to challenge mccains technical profficiency..what a joke..obama probably cant even drive a stick shift hes such a wimpy fool…
throw obama in a fighter jet like mccain flew and let him fly it over russia and see what happens to his silly ass.
Pumasupporter
I could tell you really did your homework and I think your posts are thoughful too. It’s harder to hear other African American say that you are a racist. All the younger people now will only believe in what they are being told. Recently, Carter had called Nobama “boy”. This was right after the DNC. Not one person paid attention to it. By the way, I should have made the correction that not all Democrats are racist and sexist. I will try to find the article/video on what Carter said.
#309 goofsmom
Excellent talking points to rebut BO’s record. I’m going to copy the article. Thanks for sharing it.
Hi RonniPuma
#176 Texassherry we need to give that information to Factcheck.org. In fact there may be many facts we can turn in over there as long as we have legitimate documentation.
In recent weeks I’ve been following the sites promoting Hillary for Senate Majority Leader or collecting signatures.
This may be wishful thinking – but I would love to see it happen.
A few links follow – if you know of others please share /post.
http://tdg.typepad.com/hrcsenatemajorleader09/
http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/2008/09/why-senator-hillary-rodham-clinton-must.html
http://hillaryclintonnews.blogspot.com/2008/09/hillary-clinton-for-senate-majority.html
#184 Bella-Me… U-Tube has the interview in four parts. I have saved those to my bookmarks and will watch them a little later. Thanks for the heads-up.
For those of you who are curious about Larry Sinclair, let me tell you that I have been following his story for quite a few months. I absolutely believe him as I have heard him on blogradio quite a few times and his story has never changed. The msm will never put his story on because they are in the tank for Obama, but some of you may recall a program that Oprah had a few years ago about African American men on the down low! Greta knows about him but she is probably afraid to say anything for fear of reprisal. According to Sinclair, there are other stations that are also afraid for the same reason. I will post his website and take time to read it in its entirety. I am also including the tapes from his press conference at the National Press Club. He was at the democratic convention so possibly some of you might have seen him. This site that he is on now is about his 8th as the Obamites have managed to have him shut down quite a few times. He was incarcerated in Delaware on a false charge which he was fighting. Interesting enough, the charges were dropped when Joe Biden was selected to be the VP candidate. You seen Joe Biden’s son is the Delaware attorney general. Interesting right!!!! Hmmmm!!
http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com/
YouTube – Larry Sinclair Press Conference part 1
YouTube – Larry Sinclair Press Conference part 2
YouTube – Larry Sinclair Press Conference pt 3
YouTube – Larry Sinclair Press Conference pt4
YouTube – Larry Sinclair Press Conference pt 5
YouTube – Larry Sinclair Press conference pt 6 final
316 BillieJo
Niiiice! I needed that! Liked the music too.
Plus, as an added bonus, two of my graphics are in that video. lol It always surprises me to see what people do with them after the steal them! LOL (Just kidding about the “stealing” part).
I’m in and out.
Gov Palin in Nevada
The Mayor (R) – male – did not feel he should “endorse” a “partisan” rally. Now that scares me (He will get an email tomorrow). Also, Politico supposedly put something on their web – Dem women went ahead of Palin to offset her speech. The only thing is that about 5,000 still showed up, but there were Obama protestors in the crowd.
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080913/NEWS19/80913031/1232
There are more articles, but I think she went into Obama territory.
#210 pumasupporter here is the link:
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYK-Why%20MLK%20was%20a%20Republican
Looks legit.
sorry will repost links to Larry Sinclair’s press
press conf. #1
conferences.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUNEip42xsM&feature=related
press conf. #2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw2hc05HwPw&feature=related
press conf. #3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ13qyFup98&feature=related
press conf. #4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AfVPvASc_4&feature=related
press conf. #5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1PlHlOGPCs&feature=related
press conf. #6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8J0eJGR-Kw&feature=related
hi cassie nice to hear from u and thankful all gets to vent in the pac.
every day i remind myself evil doesnt win out
the good guy in the white hat always comes just in time.
i hope sara is the one to pull this off bo cant take the white house
he has got to be stopped. i layawake trying to figure how he got this far
hes a punk among a lot of other bad things.
thankful for all our family and how hard ever one has worked to help the country and how is really is making this take a second think.
323 NoHillaryNoVote
I received an email a week, or maybe it was two weeks ago, about that. It’s a good idea, but the gist of the email was giving them our (PUMA) votes if Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton was made Senate Majority Leader!
I was shocked! I couldn’t effin’ believe it.
As if real PUMAs would vote for Obama or anyone else, if Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton was made Senate Majority Leader.
That’s like begging to be third banana. That’s like we’d all just forget about the fraud, the DNC/RBC decisions, forget about Michigan and Florida, forget about having to work our asses off for placing Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s name in nomination, working our asses off to have a roll call vote, like we’d forget about the sham of the convention, the underming of teh democratic electoral processes, and the creep the dimocrats selected as this term’s loser.
As if we’d forget all about those things, if you just let the person who is one of the brightest minds, and hardest working, most dedicated, civil servants in Washington, be the Senate Majority Leader.
un.freak.in.be.liev.a.ble
I requested they remove my name from their mailings.
un.freak.in.be.liev.a.ble .
And, good riddance.
im so tired i dont even make much sense i ment
media and dnc and all the country knows pumas are not going away we are here to stay
Why is 329 in moderation?
Did you see the Friday 9/12/08 article “Obama: The Latest Punch Line To The Joke – How are the Democrats Going to Blow It This Time? (link below at end)
It’s a great review of the DNC’s mis-steps in 2000, 2004 & now 2008. I’m no fan of Pelosi, Dean & Brazile so I always enjoy articles that point out why Democrats need to stop listening to these three!
I especially loved the 3 Stooges line (copied from article):
‘But what is almost the funniest thing of all is that this is the candidate the DNC rigged the nominating process to produce thanks to the Three Stooges of Democratic politics — Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi and Donna Brazile.”
http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/
#257 scarlet….Just when I think I’ve seen it all. This leaves me speechless. OMFG
BillieJo
Done!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8atlgFlINCE
geez… i’m too tired to get up and go to bed! lol
I love Tom in Paine.
If the situation weren’t so sad-outlandish-bizarre-and-anger -provoking, his piece would have been an out and out laugh riot.
#290 BillieJo It is creepy, and dangerous (to Americans and our democracy) Thanks for passing it on, hopefully others will too. The more of us that know Obama’s game plans the fewer he can control.
Just to let people know…Texas Tigress is doing fine. She is very hot and without power, but she is safe.
Do you think that a prowl should be done about Larry Sinclair?
Luckyseven
Do you really want to bring people’s private sex lives on to the national stage? (again.)
#300 Texassherry Good! Glad it helped. You are a true friend to help the way you are. I know a little something about burning your candle at both ends. You wind up being scorched on both ends with a little “poof” in the middle. lol Not good!
Dances- If you were familiar with the reason why Larry Sinclair first brought this up, you would not ask that question. Obviously, you do not know that his main intent was to have Obama reveal the fact that he was still using crack cocaine in 1999 and he did not stop in 1980 as he claimed. He had no intention of bringing up the sex part of it. It was the Obama campaign that brought it up when Donald Sinclair called Sinclair to ask him about that. This is not a matter of Obama’s sex life, it is a matter of Obama’s use of drugs. The fact that this was never put on Obama’s smear site, the fact that Obama has never tried to sue him should tell you something. Did you complain about John Edwards sex life was revealed? What they have put this man through is absolutely outrageous? I think that you should read the entire story or email Larry Sinclair and he will inform you of what his main original objective was.
#309 goofsmom Wow, factcheck.org should have this too. Nice to see another AA that wasn’t sucked in. Many of those folks won’t be able to get past their black pride and Obama not only knows that he caused it and is counting on it. Damn shame, they so deserve better!
From downstairs:
15 annabelle on 09.13.08 at 4:59 pm Oh, by the way, I contributed, per the rules for posting first in a thread (which I did in the last one), to PUMApac earlier today.
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OMG, no, that was a joke! I mean, I’m sure puma pac is grateful and all for your contribution … but I was joking about first one to post has to make a contribution! There are no dues, or fees, or tricks, to get contributions out of people.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Luckyseven…
Did you complain about John Edwards sex life was revealed?
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I complained about people yammering about it
ad nauseum, other than that, no, I diodn’t complain because I don’t expect a majority of men to behave like anything other than hypocritical depraved freaks (conscious Puma men and boys excluded, of course.) So, I was neither surprised nor additionally disgusted by Edwards.
Thanks for the Obama’s statement about not having done coke since 1980, while Sinclair says he did crack in 1999. I didn’t realize it was about the drug use vs the homosexual sex acts.
Dances – All Obama had to do was to deny Sinclair’s story, but he never did. What they did was try to silence Sinclair through very devious means – ie – a false charge initiated by Joe Biden’s son, threats on his life and his family, revealing his ss number, terminating his disability benefits which were finally reinstated, having his site suspended 8 different times, having a lawyer who he paid $10,000 to represent him, call him at the last minute before a hearing and tell him that he could not represent him anymore, despite a signed contract(turns out he was a Biden friend) etc., Donald Young’s mother made a tape which mysteriously disappeared etc. etc. Obama and his surrogates are the ones that have made this what it has evolved into. This is just another example of how the Obama camp operates and it is very scary.
347 Luckyseven
Okay! I’m IN for the Prowl!!
#330 Dances…do you still have that e-mail? That HAS to be illegal and whichever Puma is collecting that type of information would probably LOVE to have it!
Dances – sorry about coming back so strong. But it really did just start because Sinclair called the Obama campaign and just asked him to be honest about his crack use in 1999. He has said many times that his the only reason why he called.
349 CyberFerret52
Sorry, I’m not following you. The Puma votes in exchange for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton being Majority Leader? Why would taht be illegal?
350 Luckyseven
No worries… ’strong’ isnt a problem.
Tammy Bruce
This is a nice article by Tammy in defense of women and she voices the majority of our concerns.
http://ridgeliner7.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/tammy-bruce-makes-a-feminists-argument-for-sarah-palin/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYrUkvAcoss&feature=related
Searching around on youtube for good videos and ran across this one, good music in the background of major lies obama has been caught in……………..worth watching
349 CyberFerret52
I probably wasn’t clear. The email came from a Puma of Just Say No Deal / Puma coalition.
Dances, do we already have Denver protest videos on the website? If not, I can send the ones I have and find if you want. Let me know.
((((Dances)))))
DancesThe video was absolutely terrific. Am trying to sleep, but hav so much on my mind – back later.
#349 Dances, did I misunderstand. If we Pumas agreed to vote for the abomination then the DNC would put Hillary as Majority Leader? That is outrageous…just seems that it would have to break some law. (But, I forgot the DNC changes its rules when expedient don’t it?) Like pandering or something…..
Wow, it’s late! Yawwwn, nite all.
347 Luckyseven – All Obama had to do was to deny Sinclair’s story, but he never did. What they did was try to silence Sinclair through very devious means -
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This is something mentioned one day about the possible reason Biden was picked as VP, meaning that it was payback for Biden’s help to silence Sinclair.
Does anyone have any links about this in any articles?
CyberFerret52
Night Cyber……….sweet dreams
#355 Dances, my bad. Ha! Ha! I was spluttering there for a moment!! Nite friend, have to sleep like it or not. Later.
354 BillieJo
Ugh…what was I thinking?? I know better than to click on anything obamamamamamia. That little punk.
BillieJo… yes! Video of Pumas in Denver would be great!
Would you mind sending the links to: actioncenter@pumapac.org ? Maybe with a few words…
Pumas, Denver, The Beautiful Protest and Rise.
Otherwise I have to watch all of them to add a brief description.
Thanks!!
If you google Biden to Silence Sinclair then a bunch of articles come up.
#335 DancesWithPumas on 09.14.08 at 2:38 am
BillieJo
Done!
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Thanks Dances.
#363 DancesWithPumas on 09.14.08 at 3:32 am
354 BillieJo
BillieJo… yes! Video of Pumas in Denver would be great!
Would you mind sending the links to: —————
Will do, thanks again and get up PUMA and go to bed.
Sweet dreams.
364 1gypsy4mc
Thanks, I’ll search.
356 BillieJo on 09.14.08 at 3:25 am Dances, do we already have Denver protest videos on the website?
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I think there are two now. One of Pumas at the media tent … chris matthews, and the other one… “gonna take (be?) a revolution”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClHMFhWSXjk&feature=related
Short and oh so sweet, does anyone know what the music is on this………………love it.
Has anyone ever seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjvxtUGa_4w&feature=related
It is entitled – The Mask of Obama
Luckyseven…
whoa!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjvxtUGa_4w&feature=related
Okay, 1 AM… it’s time…
night all. See you next time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz8AuAAyRY8
I found the longer version and song……….awesome
Obama only talks good game on gender pay equity
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/378772_murdockonline12.html
I am reposting this from “The Audacity of Nope,” in hopes that others may be a bit introspective on the subject.
#268 leelasavage on 09.14.08 at 6:42 am
Obviously, as a Progressive Socialist for over 54 years, I had considered the eventuality of having my political beliefs co-opted and Newspoken by political factors hoping to gain some advantage from doing such a thing. I am disappointed, though, that the attack has come from one of my siblings-in-arms.
It seems as if the isolation I have felt with increasing sadness has come full circle and I am now a political pariah even within my new-found group of fellow political outcasts. So be it.
I have enjoyed the company and intelligence of so many people on this forum. I will miss your camaraderie, but I cannot be a part of a community which posts articles that denigrate and misinform my virtual world siblings so contemptuously about progressives and The Progressive Movement as this article does.
You cited:
“As readers know, I am careful to describe my politics as ‘liberal,’ not progressive. What’s the difference?
“ALL PROGRESSIVES LIE. ALL.”
You followed this up with your own sentiments:
“I think that’s generally, though not so stridently, true because I can understand the distinction now between a liberal and a progressive.”
I beg to differ.
As a life-long progressive, in general, I don’t lie. And I NEVER lie about anything above the level of conversational trivia. Your statements are as offensive to me as I would imagine the following citing would be to you, (and just as ridiculous):
“As readers know, I am careful to describe my bloggers as ‘annabelleps,’ not Anna Belle Ps. What’s the difference?
“ALL ANNA BELLE Ps LIE. ALL.”
I would then follow up, as you did, with my own justifying sentiment:
“I think that’s generally, though not so stridently, true because I can understand the distinction now between an anabellep and an Anna Belle P.”
How asinine! And how divisive!
I find it interesting that you feel more inclined to insult Progressives than Republicans – although I don’t believe either political position should be attacked on this site. Still, since I have no desire to be a part of watching this nascent “Progressive/Liberal” PUMA movement turn on and cannibalize itself in trivial, unkind ways, I will dismiss myself from further postings.
Best of luck to all your endeavors. Peace be with you, sibling, wherever you are.
LeeleSavage: Since when did PumaPac become coopted by whatever your or any one elses’ most recent defintion of Progressive/Liberal Puma movement is? Have you reviewed over these few months the diversity of views within this Pac and this blog? Obviously not. The essence and wonder of this Pac and this blog are that,in fact, it retains room for one of the most diverse collection of views, strategies, conclusions, criticisms, actions regarding any and every manner of political persuasion or goals, all of which happen because the two goals of this Pac, rejection of Obama and the reform of the Democratic Party are sufficiently important to this diverse group and sufficiently passionately held in common as to render the many differences material for pursuit of these two goals. I do not know what you think this Pac and blog are about, but rather than create norms for us that the goals of the Pac in fact do not set, and then, having created those norms, criticize our application and practice of these norms, I suggest you either reread the goals, create another Pac and blog, or simply do, as you have done, leave.
AMEN!
Good morning! I thought I was the only one here. I hate to read posts like 375 so early in the morning.
By the way, Caracal Carrie posted that TexasTigress is doing fine. She lost power.
I think I am alone.
#376 NewOrleansPuma on 09.14.08 at 7:33 am
My quotes are taken directly from the blog, below, “The Audacity of Nope.”
Have you read it? Do you believe I misread it? If so, please explain, if you don’t mind, how I misread the pejorative statements about progressives and the article’s link of progressives to the Obamasphere. I am more than grateful for any explanation other than the one I came to, that progressives are liars and not to be trusted.
I don’t wish to make a public display of philosophical differences within the group, but as a progressive, I take offense at being labeled a liar. Wouldn’t you?
Sorry to insult you, but I guess that is what I will do – leave. Thanks for your hospitality, I truly appreciated it.
BTW: Here is the wikipedia information on liberals/progressives:
Progressivism may refer to:
▪ Any political movement (especially, but not exclusively, of the left-wing) which favours social reform, such as liberalism, social democracy or green politics or alliance thereof.
▪ Progressivism, a broad political movement
Or to a number of political parties:
▪ Progressive Party – a number of political organizations have called themselves the Progressive Party, or have Progressive as part of their name
Or to various reform movements in a variety of fields such as:
▪ Progressive education
▪ Progressive taxation
▪ Progressive journalism
For other related terms see:
▪ Progressive
▪ Progress
▪ Progressive Era
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▪ Progressivism is a term that refers to a broad school of international social and political philosophies. The term progressive was first widely used in late 19th century America, in reference to a general branch of political thought which arose as a response to the vast changes brought by industrialization, and as an alternative both to the traditional conservative response to social and economic issues and to the various more or less radical streams of socialism and anarchism which opposed them. Political parties such as the American Progressive Party organized at the start of the 20th century, and progressivism made great strides under American presidents Theodore Roosevelt, William H. Taft, Woodrow Wilson, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt.[1] Progressive Conservative Party of Canada was the Canada’s oldest party until it was dissolved in 2003. The PC Party generally followed a centre-right agenda, with conservative pro-business policies.
▪ U.S. progressivism historically advocates the advancement of workers’ rights and social justice. The progressives were early proponents of anti-trust laws, regulation of large corporations and monopolies, as well as government-funded environmentalism and the creation of National Parks and Wildlife Refuges.
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▪ Tenets
▪ Many of the principles that were laid out by early progressives continue to be the hallmarks of contemporary progressive politics. While the precise criteria for what constitutes progressivism varies somewhat worldwide, below is a list of the most common tenets.[2]
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▪ Democracy
▪ Many progressives hoped to make government in the U.S. more responsive to the direct voice of the American people by instituting the following institutional reforms:
▪ Initiative
▪ A procedure whereby ordinary citizens could propose laws for consideration by their state legislatures or by the voters directly.
▪ Direct primary
▪ A procedure whereby political party nominations for public office were made directly by a vote of rank-and-file members of the party rather than by party bosses.
▪ Direct election of U.S. Senators
▪ A procedure to allow the citizens in each state to directly elect their Senators. Previously, Senators were chosen by the state legislatures. Direct election of Senators was achieved with the addition of the Seventeenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution (1913).
▪ Referendum
▪ A procedure whereby citizens could vote directly to rescind a law which was passed by the legislature.
▪ Recall
▪ A procedure by which a public official could be removed from office by a direct vote of the citizens.
▪ Secret ballot
▪ A procedure by which citizens could keep their votes secret. Previously, voting was a public act witnessed by others. The voting records of individual citizens were recorded and made public. Many progressives[who?] argued that public voting allowed for voter intimidation[citation needed]. An employer, for instance, might require his employees to vote for certain candidates on pain of losing their jobs.
▪ Women’s suffrage
▪ Granting to women the right to vote. Women’s suffrage was achieved with the addition of the Nineteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution (1920).
▪ The progressives achieved their greatest and most enduring successes in the effort to make governments more directly democratic.
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▪ Efficiency
▪ Many progressives hoped to make American governments better able to serve the people’s needs by making governmental operations and services more efficient and rational. Reforms included:
▪ Professional administrators
▪ Many progressives argued that governments would function better if they were placed under the direction of trained, professional administrators. (This practice is derided by some opponents as the “nanny state,” and more cynically is seen by some as the inclination toward the rise of dictators, the ultimate government professional.) One example of progressive reform was the rise of the city manager system, in which paid, professional administrators ran the day-to-day affairs of city governments under guidelines established by elected city councils.
▪ Centralization of decision-making process
▪ Many progressives sought to make government more rational through centralized decision-making. Governments were reorganized to reduce the number of officials and to eliminate overlapping areas of authority between departments. City governments were reorganized to reduce the power of local wards within the city and to increase the powers of the city council. Governments at every level began developing budgets to help them plan their expenditures (rather than spending money haphazardly as needs arose and revenue became available). The drive for centralization was often associated with the rise of professional administrators.
▪ Movements to eliminate governmental corruption
▪ Corruption represented a source of waste and inefficiency in government. Many progressives worked to clean up local governments by eliminating the power of machine politicians and urban political bosses. Often this was associated with the effort to restructure the ward system. Power was transferred from urban bosses to professional administrators.
▪ The progressives’ quest for efficiency was sometimes at odds with the progressives’ quest for democracy. Taking power out of the hands of elected officials and placing that power in the hands of professional administrators reduced the voice of the people in government. Centralized decision-making and reduced power for local wards made government more distant and isolated from the people it served. Progressives who emphasized the need for efficiency sometimes argued that an elite class of administrators knew better what the people needed than did the people themselves.
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▪ Regulation of large corporations and monopolies
▪ Many progressives hoped that by regulating large corporations they could liberate human energies from the restrictions imposed by industrial capitalism. Yet the progressive movement was split over which of the following solutions should be used to regulate corporations:
▪ Trust-busting
▪ Some progressives argued that industrial monopolies were unnatural economic institutions which suppressed the competition which was necessary for progress and improvement. The federal government should intervene by breaking up monopolies into smaller companies, thereby restoring competition. The government should then withdraw and allow marketplace forces once again to regulate the economy. President Woodrow Wilson supported this idea.
▪ Regulation
▪ Some progressives argued that in a modern economy, large corporations and even monopolies were both inevitable and desirable. With their massive resources and economies of scale, large corporations offered the U.S. advantages which smaller companies could not offer. Yet, these large corporations might abuse their great power. The federal government should allow these companies to exist but regulate them for the public interest. President Theodore Roosevelt generally supported this idea.
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▪ Social justice
▪ Many progressives have supported both private and governmental action to help people in need (social justice). Social justice reforms have included:
▪ Development of professional social workers
▪ The idea that welfare and charity work should be undertaken by professionals who are trained to do the job.
▪ The building of Settlement Houses
▪ These were residential, community centers operated by social workers and volunteers and located in inner city slums. The purpose of the settlement houses was to raise the standard of living of urbanites by providing schools, day care centers, and cultural enrichment programs.
▪ The enactment of child labor laws
▪ Child labor laws were designed to prevent the overworking of children in the newly emerging industries. The goal of these laws was to give working-class children the opportunity to go to school and to mature more naturally, thereby liberating the potential of humanity and encouraging the advancement of humanity.
▪ Support for the goals of organized labor
▪ Progressives often supported such goals as the eight-hour work day, improved safety and health conditions in factories, workers compensation laws, minimum wage laws, and unionization.
▪ Prohibition laws
▪ Some of the progressives adopted the cause of prohibition. They claimed the consumption of alcohol limited mankind’s potential for advancement. Progressives achieved success in this area with the enactment of the Eighteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution in 1919. However, this was repealed by the Twenty-first Amendment to the U.S. Constitution in 1933.
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▪ Conservationism
▪ During the term of the progressive President Theodore Roosevelt (1901 – 1909), the largest government-funded conservation-related projects in U.S. history were undertaken:
▪ National parks and wildlife refuges
▪ On March 14, 1903, President Roosevelt created the first National Bird Preserve, (the beginning of the Wildlife Refuge system), on Pelican Island, Florida. In all, by 1909, the Roosevelt administration had created an unprecedented 42 million acres (170,000 km²) of national forests, 53 national wildlife refuges and 18 areas of “special interest”, including the Grand Canyon.
▪ In addition, Roosevelt passed the Newland Act of 1902, which gave subsidies for irrigation in sixteen western states. Another conservation-oriented bill was the Antiquities Act of 1906 that protected large areas of land. The Inland Waterways Commission was established in 1907 to control the United States’ streams and waterways.[3]
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▪ Worldwide impact
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▪ Americas
▪ Canada
▪ Western Canada at the turn of the 20th century began to receive an influx of political ideas. From the United States came progressivism. The Progressive Party of Canada was founded in 1920 by Thomas Crerar, a former Minister of Agriculture in the Unionist government of Robert Borden. Crerar quit the Borden cabinet in 1919 because Minister of Finance Thomas White introduced a budget that did not pay sufficient attention to farmers’ issues. Crerar became the first leader of the Progressive Party, and led it to win 65 seats in the 1921 general election.
▪ Dating back to 1854, Canada’s oldest political party was the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada, until it was dissolved in 2003. The PC Party generally followed a centre-right agenda, with conservative pro-business policies, but was progressive in its opposition to the Apartheid regime of South Africa and support for the introduction of the Canadian Bill of Rights and the Ontario Code of Human Rights. The PC party adopted the “Progressive Conservative” party name in 1942 when Manitoba Premier John Bracken, a long-time leader of that province’s Progressive Party, agreed to become leader of the Conservatives on condition that the party add Progressive to its name. Despite the name change, most former Progressive supporters continued to support the Liberal Party or the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation. After defeat and scandal plagued the PCs in the election of 1993, they lost their position as Canada’s main conservative party to the populist and social conservative Reform Party of Canada. In 2003, Canada’s oldest political party was dissolved along with the much larger Canadian Alliance (which had been formed by the Reform Party in 1999) to create the new Conservative Party of Canada. The Progressive Canadian Party, composed mostly of anti-merger Progressive Conservatives, was formed several months prior to the 2004 general election.
▪ United States
▪ Main article: Progressivism in the United States
▪ Progressive political parties were created in the United States on three different occasions. The first of these – the Progressive Party, founded in 1912 by President Theodore Roosevelt – was the most successful third party in modern American history. The other two were the Progressive Party founded in 1924 and the Progressive Party founded in 1948, which were less successful.
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▪ Asia
▪ While the term “progressive” is not as popular in most parts of Asia as it is in North America and Europe, there are political parties and organizations that advocate for many of the tenets of progressivism, such as the Progressive Writers’ Movement.
▪ China
▪ In the People’s Republic of China (PRC), individuals are elected to government via a series of indirect elections in which one people’s congress appoints the members of the next higher congress, and in which only the lowest people’s congresses are subject to direct popular vote. This means that although independent members can theoretically, and occasionally in practice, get elected to the lowest level of people’s congresses, it is impossible for them to organize to elect members to the next higher people’s congress without the approval of the ruling party, or to even exercise oversight over executive positions at the lowest level in the hierarchy. This lack of effective power also discourages outsiders from contesting the people’s congress elections even at the lowest level. As well, control is often maintained over the civilian population through regulation of information, propaganda and censorship (see Propaganda in the People’s Republic of China). These aspects of China’s government run counter to many of the fundamental tenets of progressivism, and thus there is no major contemporary progressive party in power there.[4] In 1998, Chinese activists formed the Chinese Democracy Party which advocated for progressive government reforms. Since then, founding members of the party, such as Zha Jianguo, have been rounded up and imprisoned by the Chinese government for allegedly “subverting the state”.[5]
▪ India
▪ In India there are a large number of political parties which exist on either a state-wide or national basis. The United Progressive Alliance, as the current ruling political alliance in India, comprises leftist political parties which lean towards socialism and/or communism. Thus, the definition of “progressivism” may be interpreted differently in India, as communism was not a branch of thought that played any major role in the original western progressive movement. Furthermore, on a social level the leftist parties in India do not espouse policies that would be considered progressive in the West, though policies in regards to caste system, worker’s rights, and women’s rights are far more progressive than the non-progressive Indian parties which often appeal to Hindu fundamentalism based in a sense of a thousand year injustice against Hindus by outsiders. The alliance is externally supported (supporters are not part of the government) by the four main leftist parties; Communist Party of India (Marxist), Communist Party of India, Revolutionary Socialist Party and All India Forward Bloc. In order to coordinate the cooperation, a UPA-Left Coordination Committee has been formed. The Indian National Congress is currently the chief member of the United Progressive Alliance coalition.
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▪ Pacific
▪ Australia
▪ In the past few years in Australia, the term “progressive” has been used to refer to what used to be called “The Third Way”. The term is popular in Australia, and is often used in place of “social liberal”. The term “liberalism” has become associated with free markets, small government, and personal freedom; in other words “classical liberalism”. Progressivism, however, means in part advocating big government that does not involve central planning.[6]
▪ New Zealand
▪ The current Prime Minister of New Zealand – Helen Clark, leader of the Labour Party – announced in 2005 that she had come to a complex arrangement that led to a formal coalition consisting of the Labour Party and Jim Anderton, the New Zealand Progressive Party’s MP. A further arrangement has been made with the Green Party, which has given a commitment not to vote against the government on confidence and supply.
▪ Jim Anderton formed the Progressive Party after splitting from the Alliance Party. The Progressive Party states a particular focus on the creation of jobs, and has said that it is committed to achieving full employment. They seek to raise the legal age of alcohol consumption to 20. They are pro-environment, and list free education and free healthcare as other policy objectives.[7]
▪ The Progressive Green Party was formed in 1995 but has now disbanded.
Relation to other political ideologies
Liberalism
The term “progressive” is today often used in place of “liberal”. Although the two are related in some ways, they are separate and distinct political ideologies. According to John Halpin, senior advisor on the staff of the Center for American Progress, “Progressivism is an orientation towards politics, It’s not a long-standing ideology like liberalism, but an historically-grounded concept… that accepts the world as dynamic.” Progressives see progressivism as an attitude towards the world of politics that is broader than conservatism vs. liberalism, and as an attempt to break free from what they consider to be a false and divisive dichotomy.[8][9]
Cultural Liberalism is ultimately founded on a concept of natural rights and civil liberties, and the belief that the major purpose of the government is to protect those rights. Liberals are often called “left-wing”, as opposed to “right-wing” conservatives. The progressive school, as a unique branch of contemporary political thought, tends to advocate certain center-left or left-wing views that may conflict with mainstream liberal views, despite the fact that modern liberalism and progressivism may still both support many of the same policies (such as the concept of war as a general last resort).
American progressives tend to support interventionist economics: they advocate income redistribution, and they oppose the growing influence of corporations. Conversely, European and Australian progressives tend to be more pro-business, and will often have policies that are soft on taxation of large corporations. Progressives are in agreement on an international scale with left-liberalism in that they support organized labor and trade unions, they usually wish to introduce a living wage, and they often support the creation of a universal health care system. Yet progressives tend to be more concerned with environmentalism than mainstream liberals, and are often more skeptical of the government, positioning themselves as whistleblowers and advocates of governmental reform. Finally, liberals are more likely to support the Democratic Party in America and the Labour party in Europe and Australia, while progressives tend to feel disillusioned with any two-party system, and vote more often for third-party candidates[citation needed]
Socialism
Socialism (in the strict or radical sense) aims to establish a fundamentally different society from the one that currently exists in most countries. While there are different schools of socialism, which often tend to have differing views of the ideal socialist society, some general examples of socialist concepts are: The desire to abolish capitalism, to place the means of production under the collective ownership of the people, and to achieve a very high degree of economic and political equality. Socialists argue that capitalism exploits the working class, and they desire for workers to play a vital role in moving society from capitalism to socialism (either by rising up in a revolution or general strike, or by voting en masse for socialist political parties).
In contrast, by definition progressivism aims to achieve gradual social change, and most progressives are outright opposed to any form of violent revolution. When the progressive movement split on economic principles, some progressives moved towards the socialist camp, advocating a planned economy. Other progressives moved towards the regulated mixed economy camp, with both public and private ownership of companies. Between these two extremes is social democracy, a branch of socialism that became increasingly moderate and moved towards the political center. Regulated-capitalism progressives and socialist progressives still tend to support similar progressive social policies, outside of economic principles. Socialist Party USA is an example of an organization with both democratic socialist and social democratic wings.
However, the relationship between progressivism and socialism as described here has often been a tense one. An example of this tension can be seen in the conflict between the Progressive Party of Theodore Roosevelt and the Socialist Party of Eugene V. Debs in the United States.
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Partial list of progressive advocates
▪ Jane Addams
▪ Booker T. Washington
▪ Rocky Anderson
▪ Susan B. Anthony
▪ Ray Stannard Baker
▪ William E. Borah
▪ Louis Brandeis
▪ Alan Brinkley
▪ Sherrod Brown
▪ Peter Camejo
▪ Noam Chomsky
▪ Calvin Coolidge
▪ John Dewey
▪ Paul Douglas
▪ Theodore Dreiser
▪ John Edwards
▪ Barbara Ehrenreich
▪ Charles William Eliot
▪ Russ Feingold
▪ Thomas Frank
▪ Al Franken
▪ Amy Goodman
▪ David Goodman
▪ Stephen Jay Gould
▪ Mike Gravel
▪ Tom Hayden
▪ Edward S. Herman
▪ Alfie Kohn
▪ Dennis Kucinich
▪ William Langer
▪ Robert M. La Follette, Sr.
▪ Robert McChesney
▪ George McGovern
▪ David McReynolds
▪ Wayne Morse
▪ Ralph Nader
▪ George Norris
▪ John B. Oakes
▪ Floyd B. Olson
▪ Greg Palast
▪ Christian Parenti
▪ Michael Parenti
▪ John Pilger
▪ Walter Rauschenbusch
▪ Eleanor Roosevelt
▪ Franklin Delano Roosevelt
▪ Theodore Roosevelt
▪ Bernie Sanders
▪ Margaret Sanger
▪ Upton Sinclair
▪ Norman Solomon
▪ Elizabeth Cady Stanton
▪ Lincoln Steffens
▪ William H. Taft
▪ Ida M. Tarbell
▪ Glen H. Taylor
▪ Harry S. Truman
▪ Thorstein Veblen
▪ Henry A. Wallace
▪ James Ward
▪ Ida B. Wells
▪ Paul Wellstone
▪ Burton K. Wheeler
▪ Woodrow Wilson
▪ Frank P. Zeidler
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I’m faxing this out this morning, don’t know if it will do any good. If anyone wants to participate, be my guest. I would suggest changing the wording. Mine is so long, hope they read it.
This should be reposted later as I know others want to contact their officials. Be sure to change to YOUR STATE:
BY FAX
(850) 488-3680
Secretary of State Kurt S. Browning
400 S. Monroe St #P12
Tallahassee, FL 32399
BY FAX
(850) 410-1630
Attorney General Bill McCollum
Office of the Attorney General
State of Florida
The Capitol PL-01
Tallahassee, FL 32399-1050
cc; Matthew W. Friedrich, US DOJ, Criminal Div.
By Fax: (202) 514-9412
Subject: Objections to Special Status Granted to the Democratic Party on FL State Ballots
Dear Sir:
As a follow-up to my August 26, 2008 letter, I am again writing to you to protest the state of Florida allowing the Democratic Party access to our state election ballots.
Upon contacting the SOS, I was told that state officials cannot intervene in the internal operations of any political party and was referred to the DNC. Why would I contact the DNC when they are the ones violating their own Rules? To whom do I turn to make them accountable? I am a taxpayer and expect our state officials to act on our behalf when it is obvious citizens are being deprived of their votes. Howard Dean made clear he would do nothing regarding FL & MI stating they violated the Rules by holding primaries out of turn although other states did that as well and they were not punished. However, at the Rules Committee meeting on May 31, the rules were again broken by giving uncommitted delegates to Sen. Obama and taking 4 pledged delegates from Sen. Clinton and giving them to Sen. Obama. After Howard Dean & Nancy Pelosi “selected” Sen. Obama as the nominee by pressuring and threatening super delegates to vote for Sen. Obama, they again changed the Rules to allow FL & MI a full vote.
At the DNC Convention in Denver, the DNC, Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean and others, threatened and intimidated delegates prior to the Roll Call and did not hold a bona fide floor vote on the nomination. States were not allowed to go in order and others were passed solely for the purpose of keeping Sen. Obama ahead in the delegate count. Delegates were not told that some states had bound laws and they were bound to vote for the person who won the primary on the First Ballot. Investigations are ongoing in this regard.
We spend taxpayer money for elections that are fair and honest, and support the will of the people. The DNC has shown through its nomination of a candidate by dictum that they are not abiding by our state’s principles. Barrack Obama was given the nomination by super delegates without reaching the proper number of pledged delegates needed to secure it. The super delegates do not officially vote until the convention. It is well known that the super delegates did not vote at the convention and a secret ballot was held prior to the floor vote, all against Party rules.
Furthermore, there are widespread reports and investigations of fraudulent voting irregularities in several states. In the Texas caucuses there was massive voter fraud and voter intimidation. In Oregon there were dead people voting. In Los Angeles, gang members were hired to walk neighborhoods and threaten people to vote for Obama. In some southern states there is an investigation of votes being sold for $20.00, or in some cases, for drugs. These problems affect the results of voting in all states, Florida included, i.e. see website http://www.lynettelong.com/caucusfraud/
The foregoing fraud was seen by countries all over the world. I am alarmed that a rigged roll call and nomination was allowed to happen in the USA. Our soldiers are dying all over the world for democracy and to give others the privilege to cast an honest vote. Former Pres. Jimmy Carter goes to many countries to monitor elections for fraud, yet he did nothing to stop what was going on in our own country. Jimmy Carter endorsed Obama. No Party should be above the law and as a citizen I expect you to do your job. If it is not your job, then whose job is it? .
The spending of our state tax dollars to allow a private club such as the DNC to pick their own candidate in violation of even their own rules, and run that candidate on our state ballots is outrageous. . I assure you, I intend to work to amend our state laws so that from now on the DNC will not be allowed access to our state ballots without the requisite fees and petitions that the other political parties such as the Green Party or the Libertarian Party must pay and supply, unless they return to holding fair elections based upon votes of citizens.
In the interim, I demand that you revoke the special status that our state laws grant to candidates from the Democratic Party to get on the ballot. I await your response.
Mr. Logan discusses Obama’s limp poll numbers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk_fPi-24Iw
#381 leelasavage
Your dissent of the “Audacity of Nope” is duly noted and it is not necessary to post an encyclopedia here. I believe that the subject was only up for discussion for a short while. I think that post was presented as someone’s opinion and would not think that bloggers at this site are prone to casual acceptance of something just because they read it.
384 Headclunker
#381 leelasavage
To have Al Franken as one of the example of a progressive advocate says it all.
Politically Drunk On Power!
Why The Fringe Left & Obama Attacks Will Never Overcome Sarah Palin!
Posted: 13 Sep 2008 09:02 AM CDT
I say: Bring on the attacks, the manipulation of her policies and records and the ridiculous outright lies being portrayed by the fringe left. Why? Because I know that all roads lead to Palin’s Biography.
For months, the Fringe Left and Obama campaign have tried to tie John McCain to George Bush. From their catchy little phrases to outright distortions of his record, they have tried it all and they are failing. Why? Because eventually all roads lead to McCain’s biography and record. The fringe left cannot overcome the undeniable fact that John McCain has consistently reached across the aisle and bucked his own party on many issues. Why the Obama campaign continues this tactic is beyond me, because is not working and will continue to fail. Poll after Poll point to the fact that Americans no longer believe that Barack Obama represents moderation in his policies. According to Rasmussen just 51% of Americans believe Obama would reach across the aisle. As a comparison, despite their attacks and distortions of McCain, 63% of Americans believe John McCain would reach across the aisle.
Likewise, the Fringe Left and Obama campaign, thrown off guard have now begun the same strategy with Sarah Palin; with the exception that the attacks have moved beyond the political arena and have been launched upon her person and family. The problem with these attacks is that they cannot win, their attacks only appeal to like-minded individuals and a vast majority of Americans no longer trust the information they provide. But I welcome the lies and the attacks, because every attack demonstrates the fact that they are willing to do and say anything to win an election; and every attack will backfire, because, ultimately, all roads lead to Sarah Palin’s story.
Redrawing the map – Minnesotta is dead heat
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/dont-look-now-but-minnesotta-is-dead-heat/
Good morning 1gypsy4mc and Headclunker!
Good morning Notyoursweetie!
389 Cassie good morning – I’m just staring at the screen this a.m. – didn’t sleep! Did you?
Don’t tell me I’m alone again.
Good Morning PUMAs.
I am going to try and catch-up on the posts.
Have a great day everyone.
I did but only a little. I think you slept in front of your computer.
Did you read #381? Very weird!
#382 Ladyhawkke
Is BO on the Ballot here in Florida already? Would it be worth forwarding the Berg papers to some of our state authorities?
I had not realized that Clinton SUSPENDED the role call vote, again not conceding. As I understand that, if BO gets taken out of the running, Clinton could easily step in without having to defer to Biden. So she was very smart not to take the VP slot. I, personally believe he has offered it to her from the start and she has refused, never conceding that he is actually the legitimate nominee. I am sure that galls him almost as much as Palin’s speach. Palin really got him because of the public nature of her challenge, but he is probably furious with Clinton, too.
I think we need to publicise the Berg suit and get those delegate votes checked. The DNC is hedging on the publication of the ballots because of the signatures, but they could send them out edited and we could spot check them against the original if we had questions.
I have sent the Berg suit to every journalistic contact I could and they are three monkies about it. It is even being flagged and moderated out when I post boards. I am going to try again today.
394 Cassie Sure did. I would not be able to provide a very intellectural, unbiased response to this post, so I waited for others to do it for me!!
Very smart.
382 Totally agree about Berg suit. We hear alot about the Palin suit re Troopergate!!!
Morning
Morning. I was really happy to see that TexasTigress is doing well. I was really worried for her.
328, CyberFerret52 thanks for the link
#395 Headclunker on 09.14.08 at 8:41 am
There is NO CHANCE. absolutely no chance that Obambie ever offered the VP to clinton.
Hillary said that she told Obambie that she did not want to get vetted unless he was serious about her. He never vetted her. He might have vetter her as part of a game of playing if he was not serious. Hillary did not want to go through the trouble of being vetted as a game for Obambie. So he never was serious about Hillary. period.
So instead he came out publicly saying he did not have to vett Hillary because he felt she was already vetted. But that was a lie because vetting would have looked deeper into Bill. Barack completely skipped over Hillary. Besides, Michelle does not like Hillary and she is the real boss.
#384 Headclunker on 09.14.08 at 8:24 am
#381 leelasavage
Your dissent of the “Audacity of Nope” is duly noted and it is not necessary to post an encyclopedia here. I believe that the subject was only up for discussion for a short while. I think that post was presented as someone’s opinion and would not think that bloggers at this site are prone to casual acceptance of something just because they read it.
My response:
Obviously that isn’t the case, as you can see from just the first few posts to the article I have copied below.
I feel overwhelming sadness at the reaction I am getting about this, but just as I will not allow Obama to get away with destroying the Democratic Party, I cannot sit idly by and allow people to disparage what I know to be a wonderful and beneficial political movement. Progressivism has a long and well-recognized history and progressives do not deserve to be lumped in with the “New Left” that Obama represents.
#386 Cassie on 09.14.08 at 8:34 am
#381 leelasavage
To have Al Franken as one of the example of a progressive advocate says it all.
My Response:
Susan B. Anthony, Peter Camejo, Eleanor Roosevelt. Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt. Margaret Sanger, Upton Sinclair, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Harry S. Truman, Paul Wellstone were ALL also PROGRESSIVES. I think you’ll agree that they were and ARE significant people in the advancement of human rights for the citizens of the US.
TO ALL I MAY HAVE OFFENDED AT SUCH AN EARLY (OR LATE, IN MY CASE) HOUR:
I have no desire to snark at anyone here, nor do I wish for this thread to become the fodder for Obama’s camp. Please remove anything I’ve posted that would harm the PUMA PAC or it’s goals.
I’ve only remained on-thread hoping someone would understand how I feel and, perhaps, extend some compassion and comfort my way. I can see that isn’t happening. I am only annoying all of you. I apologize and take my growing grief and sadness with me.
I am glad to have been able to contribute – financially and through activism – to helping this group improve the chances for Hillary to become president and correcting some of the Democratic Party’s nominating processes.
Thanks for tolerating my, obviously, annoying posts.
Good luck to all of you.
Reader’s Responses to “The Audacity of Nope.”
#40 annabelle on 09.13.08 at 5:29 pm
Murphy is out of town for the weekend. I’m sure she’ll be checking in later tonight or tomorrow. I’m just helping out while she’s gone.
#14 californiagal on 09.13.08 at 4:58 pm
annabelle:
I admire you: articulate, knowledgable, and thoughtful. Of course, I also happen to agree 100% with your position. My four grandparents were immigrants who struggled to survive and provide for their families. My father became a teacher; he also struggled to provide for his family. As his children rose in their occupations and incomes, he expressed gratitude to this country for what it offered. I disagreed with him often about the way this country has been headed, but until this year I have never been so scared. I have always been Independent with a Democrat leaning, but this year I too will vote McCain/Palin. Thank you for this post.
#17 Lin4Hill on 09.13.08 at 5:00 pm
Annabelle – Wow!!! I am going to print that out and share.
for anyone interested – (and I apologize if this has already been posted by others) this is a link to read the interview of Palin by Gibson, but it includes the parts they edited out. And they do make a difference in her message!
http://marklevinshow.com/gibson-interview/
#18 jane-pa on 09.13.08 at 5:01 pm
California grl
I think many join you from all parties. This is a year like no other. I am a Dem but will vote McCain. I had decided before Palin but she does make it easier.Bo is the most radicle and fearful person I have ever encountered.
#22 susanmarie8 on 09.13.08 at 5:04 pm
I’m withyou onthis. I’ve been a Dem all of my 46 years. I first voted for Carter in 1980. BUt the DNC has decided to ignore the wishes of the people it represents and have decided to run the game on their terms.
I’d rather work with the GOP at this point and see if we can pull them back to center. At least they are listening to us and seem to be trying to align with the people.
I’m all for additional third parties, too! I will support the actions of any movement that behaves responsibly to our choices!
#43 GOSUEF4HIL on 09.13.08 at 5:30 pm
I am pleased w/ the tone of this blog today.
I will add that the democrats dismissed us for months, assuming we would eventually “come” to our senses.
McCain listened and offered something.
I am not a fool, I know if Hillary were on our ticket, Palin would not be on his.
But he listened and he wants our votes.
I will NEVER forget the evening I heard Donna Brazile say “we don’t need those votes, we have all these fresh new democrats coming into the party” (actually- I am paraphrasing, not directly quoting so sorry for the quotation marks)- that was one of the “Nail in the coffin” moments for me.
I realized I am taken for granted by my former party.
#45 Sunshinelvr on 09.13.08 at 5:31 pm
good post annabelle..I try to read all of the blogs we support…I may not post on them , but I do read them.It is importeant to me to read blogs that give as much information as I can possible glean everyday! I want to KNOW and be AWARE of what is happening in this strange year of the PUMA!!!!
#57 osaka puma on 09.13.08 at 5:39 pm
some of these idiot democrats are all parroting the same stupid line some moron made up..”jesus christ was a commmunity organizer,pontious pilate was a governor”.. isn’t that the most idiotic crap you ever heard?
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows John McCain reaching the 50% level of support for the first time
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Claire McCaskell on “this week” is trying her hand at voter intimidation. She say’s Mc/Palin want to put a woman who was raped in prison for having an abortion. WTF?
leelasavage
..are you high on something?
patty… those obama idiots are getting crazier by the hour because they are getting more desperate
I’m all in favor of showing our commitment to Hillary by working with the GOP to bring them back to center. The only scary thing about us electing John McCain is that then we’ll have John McCain to worry about. And Sarah Palin is nowhere near center.
Osaka… I know and I think wow I used to be so proud to be a democrat. Now I look at the party and shake my head.
Cassie, thanks for the compliment. I’ve done a lot of research on this because there are some things that are definitely different in the Democrat Party. Things have changed dramatically and there is a power struggle going on between the Clinton moderates and the Obamaites for control of the party. Bill Clinton and the Republican Congress together did more for African-Americans in one term than the Democratic Party did for the entire existence of that party. And as I listened to a lot of the views of PUMAs, it seems to me that you guys are the last remnant of real liberalism. Things have shifted so dramatically that old school liberalism is present day Conservatism, minus the social issues. PUMAs should have no problems voting for McCain because, as far as a Republican, he is as liberal as you can get. He embodies the old school liberalism and it seems to me that most PUMAs are old school liberals. The Democrat Party has sold its soul to the radical left and if Obama wins, they will control that party for years to come.
#401 pumasupporter You’re welcome.
Goodmorning PUMAs! I’m finally able to get internet again, (since Gustav hit). Still no satellite TV though, new dish coming tomorrow.
Just wanted to share this great column by Ken Blackwell. Mr. Blackwell’s column hits it out of the park … MSM won’t touch this stuff so I suggest that we email the article to everyone we know.
http://townhall.com/columnists/KenBlackwell/2008/09/11/words_obama_will_regret?page=full&comments=true
#404 Leelasavage…I understand how you feel and I extend compassion. I fear you lose intellectual credibility when you quote Wikipedia.
#395 Headclunker I don’t know if he’s on the ballot. I don’t think that letter will affect the present election. Only Berg’s lawsuit would get him off the ballot if he is not a citizen. Also, I believe the DNC submits Obama’s name to the SOS’s of all states and they put him on the ballot. They don’t check a thing, not his name, not his qualifications, don’t ask for proof of citizenship, so why should we trust them. I do think sending out the letter is important though. I’m hoping the Criminal Dept. of the DOJ will look into it.
Mick
Thanks for posting the article! I enjoyed it. I have some of that info on the web site I made for people to be able to use to retrieve all of this info. It’s not done yet, but I try and add to it a lil everyday.
http://puma-facts.com
Why wasn’t #281 in MODERATION???
leelasavage-I for one am speaking in support of your comments. When I read the line about progressives being liars I felt a sadness as well. Progressives have a long and proud past (and present). Heidi Li has written several interesting essays on the topic of progressivism. There is obviously some deep misunderstanding about what progressive politics means. Please read more about it before you jump down somebodies throat.
(http://tdg.typepad.com/heidi_lis_potpourri/)
“The Progressive era has long been viewed as the seedbed of the modern American state, a time when a powerful reformist impulse reshaped the nation’s political life in what some have called a “second founding.” Driven by a belief in executive-centered government yet devoted to the ideal of participatory democracy, Progressives sought to create self-rule on a grand scale and break the hold of localist parties and courts that had dominated American politics for decades.”
More details
Progressivism and the New Democracy
By Sidney M. Milkis, Jerome M. Mileur
Contributor Sidney M. Milkis, Jerome M. Mileur
Published by Univ of Massachusetts Press, 1999
ISBN 1558491937, 9781558491939
302 pages
#404 leesavage My apologies to you for the pain of being misunderstood and feeling as if you have been called a liar. There is a difference in making a blank statement about all progressives and then having one of us be one. Perhaps we should all consider once again that we don’t know all Puma backgrounds and tolerance is golden for such a diverse group. leesavage, thank you for the interest and support you have given the Puma cause. You don’t have to go but, I understand that you may feel otherwise. Please take care and don’t feel all alone as there are millions of us by your side.
My post #413…Classic passive-aggressive. I should be working for Obama.
LOL gojoy
no worries. You are using your posers for good. I am embarrassed to admit I never knew wikipedia was bad.
LOL that was supposed to be powers*
My mind isn’t working yet lol
I don’t know that Wikipedia is bad. It has gotten some bad press and a second opinion never hurts. The problem some see with it is that anyone can add or delete from its information banks. False information is sometimes posted. I have used it (along with other sources) for several years and very rarely is false information intentionally put into its database. When this has occurred the moderators find it almost immediately as the viewing population reports it right away. The site self polices very well.
Lynette Long hit the nail right on the head! I’m glad Baltimoresun posted it.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.palin14sep14,0,4638337.story
Right now, for me, gender trumps everything else. If Democratic women wait for the perfect woman to come along, we will never elect a woman. I will vote for McCain-Palin. I urge other women to do the same. I promise to be the first person knocking on her door if Roe v. Wade or any other legislation that goes against the rights of women is threatened. But in Governor Palin, I find a woman of integrity, who not only talks the talk but walks the walk. I can work with that. I will work with that. “ – Lynette Long
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.palin14sep14,0,4638337.story
I’m glad I’m not alone having the same view when it comes to women.
Ovaries in the oval office.
Not even sure where the conversation is going this morning and overnight…..but a thought keeps popping into my head. McCain had mentioned several times that
he will put Democrats and Independents in his cabinet.
I can see him asking Hillary to join him for a bipartisan cabinet…..as perhaps Sec. of State? They are friends and aren’t that far apart on foreign policy issues. JMHO
Pumas I was just watching Fox news and the Secretary of the State of Florida has put into law because of Voter fraud,The NO MATCH NO VOTE LAW.The Gov. of Florida says that the ID must match voter info. PUMAS this is GREAT.WHO do we need to contact to see if this law can be put in to each and every state. BTW the NAACP has files a suit against Florida Because of this Law HMMMM
WONDER WHY?
Not that this has anything to do with the former prowls , but I’m just after opinion here.
If a state has a binding voter law for the delegates, do you think that being released by the candidate should have anything to do with how the delegates vote.
Remember I just want opinion.
For example, in Indiana delegates are supposed to vote to reflect the publics votes. There is a binding law. HRC won Indiana by 51%, however when the roll call was done Indiana awarded its votes at 6 for HRC 75 for BO.
I am beginning to try and get my mind around the HUGE caucas fraud and delegate section on the web site and some discussion will help me get my mind working lol.
Anyone watching Meet the Press? They have McCain substantially leading on almost all questions. Charles Schummer is trying to discredit them, but it seems like BO isn’t “closing the deal”.
375 leelasavage
The first thing I read this morning is that Peter Camejo died at the age of 67.
Then to come here and read that you are leaving…
is just too much loss of rightminded people in less than an hour’s time.
I hope you stay. Take the best and keep yourself busy when you read the rest. Like, paint your house or something when you read a blog with which you do not agree. Just chalk it up to ignorance or wrong-mindedness.
Tiller
Indiana has the most stringent voter ID laws in the US. The Dems in the state think that it keeps lower income people from being able to vote (having the money and the ability to go up and maintain an up to date ID).
To the commenter who commented about the NOT being confusing, I agree. I don’t know how many times I’ve tried to explain it (with my own bias thrown in).
Maybe it should have been something like: “This ribbon has NO BO”. Then again, it isn’t as if we need reminders.
#426 zephyr on 09.14.08 at 10:29 am Not even sure where the conversation is going this morning and overnight…..but a thought keeps popping into my head. McCain had mentioned several times that
he will put Democrats and Independents in his cabinet.
I can see him asking Hillary to join him for a bipartisan cabinet…..as perhaps Sec. of State? They are friends and aren’t that far apart on foreign policy issues. JMHO
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I have the gut feeling McCain will ask Hillary to be in her cabinet; he has a lot of respect for her and they’re friends. I think it was in Nevada debate McCain called Hillary right away to congratulate her on her great performance during debate with other democratic candidates for nomination. McCain and Hillary has a very good working relationship in the senate they co-sponsor a lot of bills especially when it pertains to our troops serving in the middle east; they’ve travelled together to visit our troops in Iraq during the peak of trouble. MSM did not cover their trip but the military did and have it on their website.
correction: to be in his cabinet.
but it seems like BO isn’t “closing the deal”.
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“deal” being the operative. Next, Dean will be masquerading in ‘black face’ and closing the deal for obama. Dean’s done everything else to drag this well-groomed knuckledragger over the finish line, why not this…?
I’ve just check the new electoral maps report
Obama/Biden 207
157 Solid 50 Leaning
McCain/Palin 227
172 Solid 55 Leaning
Toss Up 104
The latest electoral map, NObama lost another 10 electoral votes, yesterday he was 217.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/columnists/article4747939.ece?openComment=true
Brown believes union members should be protected from their leaders by being entitled to a secret ballot; Obama favours stripping America’s union members of that protection.
all right I am getting off of here. Thanks for your help
A debate Obama cannot win
Sunday, September 14, 2008
His record simply does not correspond to his rhetoric.
Mr. Obama’s “new kind of politics” – which was based on telling the truth, being a principled politician and treating one’s opponents fairly – collapsed once he secured the nomination in June. He reversed course with dizzying speed on NAFTA, FISA, public financing of campaigns, whether the D.C. gun ban was constitutional, meeting with rogue leaders without preconditions and the unity of Jerusalem. He even qualified his Iraq policy by stating it would be “refined” according to “conditions on the ground.” Most recently, in light of the economic downturn, Mr. Obama stated he might reconsider implementing the tax increases in his economic plan.
continue: http://countusout.wordpress.com/
#439 john on 09.14.08 at 10:53 am
I’ve said for a long time NObama’s rhetoric and deeds are in collision course.
This is just too funny…ROFL
Did u all notice that the Master of Flip-flop Obama has now flip-flopped again and Changed his slogan…from the Change you can believe in” to “Change we need”…..
What did he finally figure out that no one is believing anything that comes out of his mouth or from his campaign….LOL…LOL
Uh oh now democrats are thinking they should distance them self from Obama. LMAO
A Democratic state representative who supported U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton during the New Hampshire primary has endorsed U.S. Sen. John McCain‘s presidential campaign.
http://www.politickernh.com/brianlawson/3573/dem-state-rep-endorses-mccain
He believed he was going to be President, and now that he’s nose diving, his desire has turned into a need. Next it’s be Change we Demand, then Change at Any Cost.
Freakin’ hopey dopey changey thief.
A Democratic state representative who supported U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton during the New Hampshire primary has endorsed U.S. Sen. John McCain‘s presidential campaign.
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Bwwwwaaaaaaaaaahahahhahahaha!!
The headlines today state BO raises 66 million in August,
but the polls say today-
Rasmussen McCain 49, Obama 46 McCain +3
National Gallup Tracking McCain 47, Obama 45 McCain +2
National Rasmussen Tracking McCain 48, Obama 45 McCain +3
National Hotline/FD Tracking McCain 45, Obama 44 McCain +1
National Newsweek McCain 46, Obama 46 Tie
It just goes to show you.
No, you can’t always buy an electionnnnnnnnn
you can’t always buy an electionnnnnnnnnnnnn
you can’t always buy an electionnnnnnnnnnnnn
And if you try sometime you find
You get what you deserrrrrrrrrrrrrrve
It just goes to show you.
No, you can’t always buy an electionnnnnnnnn
you can’t always buy an electionnnnnnnnnnnnn
you can’t always buy an electionnnnnnnnnnnnn
And if you try sometime you find
You get what you deserrrrrrrrrrrrrrve
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LOL. Great!
Seems Obamamamia is getting a big chill.
Before the Democratic Convention, NObama supporters, including his campaign people are already calling him “President.” He was the presumptive President of the Extreme LEFTWINGNUTS. A lot of democrats running for office this election is worried about NObama campaigning for them.
I’ve said this before the primary ended, IF NObama is the nominee due to arrogance of superdelegates of selecting instead of electing which is the will of the people there would be a backlash against the democratic party. Anytime a candidate running for office have NObama stomping for her/him, it will open up RACE BAITING NObama use against Bill and Hillary Clinton. I even mention this when I used to blog @hillaryclinton.com.
When reality kicks in, when people start looking at meat and potato, they still look for EXPERIENCE from their next President. Majority of the American people are also moderates.
If people examine closely the economic plan of NObama, he wanted BIGGER GOVERNMENT, if you make more money through your hardwork you’d be punish through increase taxation under his administration. His new spending program will cost taxpayers $1 trillion, the new tax he has in mind will raise $80 billion annually. Where is he going to get the difference of $920 billion for his new spending?
The GLOBAL POVERTY ACT Nobama pushed and proud of it that would cost about a $1 trillion would be taken directly from our GDP, sent directly to the United Nation.
We can’t afford to give away even a penny when our countrymen are losing their homes, WE TAXPAYERS bailing out Fannie Mae ($100 billion). What the Democratic controlled Congress is doing? NOTHING! NADA! ZILCH! KAPUT! Who controls the banking committee in Congress? I bet you the Democrats, and they’re turning this country into CRAP!
Oh darn.Now I’m gonna be singing that song all day.
Off… see youse later.
Sorry Dances–I just love to see one of his slimy strategies he sold the democratic party on, blow up in their faces.
I truly hope that people DO NOT leave the top spot blank or do a write in. I believe that any vote that ends up that way is a vote for BO. We need to take as many votes away from him as possible.
PLEASE REMEMBER HE IS FROM CHICAGO AND IS WELL EDUCATED IN CHICAGO POLITICS.
I have lived in Chicago all my life and know what the MACHINE is capable of. There will be a whole lot more votes for BO than actual people voting for him. Believe me, please!!
Hold your nose and vote McCain if you have to but just vote for him. Any other, 3rd party, blank, not voting at all will be a vote for BO.
Our mission should be to reduce the votes cast for him in total. I would love to see him lose by a landslide and the only way to get this done is to vote for McCain.
A vote for McCain is a vote Obama will never get!
#451 Puff I agree
#446 greenfun
Rasmussen’s Daily Tracking Polls shows McCain reaching the 50% threshold mark for the first time….9/14/08
Sunday, September 14, 2008 Email to a Friend
“The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows John McCain reaching the 50% level of support for the first time since Barack Obama wrapped up the Democratic Presidential Nomination. McCain retains a three-point advantage for the third straight day, 50% to 47% (see recent daily results). ”
BO raised $66 million in August. My question is how much money is going out? He has spent over $8 million dollars in FL alone, another $7 million dollars for the styrofoam column speech at Invesco and so on.
Why is it we know more about Palin than Obama what has this man done that we can find he has no record no papers to be found . Yet today they are tearing Palin apart on the shows as a female I am sick of it .
455 kids1627 on 09.14.08 at 11:48 am
Sarah Palin has track record from councilwoman all the way to Governor of Alaska, NObama has NONE to speak of. Its hard to read a BLANK PAGE
I am also worried that Obama is capable of “manufacturing” votes en masse.
I was watching a show that said the FBI has formed a sp task force to make sure the election is fair
451 Puff
I think NOT, Nothing On Top means NOTHING ON TOP FOR THE DEMOCRATS, i.e. obama. WE ARE DEMOCRATS AFTERALL, NO MATTER HOW MANY COME IN HERE CAMPAIGNING /ENDORSING/PUSHING MCCAIN IN OUR FACES.
REGARDING HILLARY AS VP IN PLACE OF BIDEN … everyone says they wouldn’t vote the ticket even if Hillary’s on it. Well, I would just vote McCain for P and Hillary for VP. What’s wrong with that?
because you don’t vote for Vice President, that’s why
452 NobamaNetwork on 09.14.08 at 11:43 am A vote for McCain is a vote Obama will never get!
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Thank you for stating the obvious. I’ll add:
A vote for anyone else is also a vote obiteme won’t get, that includes sitting this one out, writing in a candidate, or voting third party.
when you go into vote, you vote for a ticket
Obama/Biden
McCain/Palin
you don’t get a choice in VP separate from that of president.
Just got back from the gas station – unleaded regular – $4.46 a gallon.
Well, I would just vote McCain for P and Hillary for VP. What’s wrong with that?
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Uhhh… in this country (U.S.) you don’t get to split the top of teh ticket… they run as a team, and when you vote for President, you’re also voting for HIS running mate.
Meet the Press is on. Glad Russert isn’t on it anymore.
4.49 was what it went up to in Knoxville on Friday from 3.60, two days before.
It’s now up to 5.00 in Knoxville, TN which within the last 10 years had the “lowest cost of living” in the U.S.
So, it’s not that we’re paying more than anyone else but 5.00 a gallon in Knoxville vs. 5.00 in Atlanta is really two different things.
question why is it I have heard on all channels Palins husband is supeoned(Spelling??) but not a word about Obama being served last month?????Isnt there something can be done??
NobamaNetwork; Asian4Hillary and other members
I share your view. , I will not waste my vote, since my vote didn’t count at the convention, I will cast my vote for McCain that will DOUBLE the IMPACT against NObama. For every democrat casting their vote to McCain, NObama needs two votes to replace your one vote. I want my vote count and I won’t give him any chances to win in Nov. The main point is we don’t want to reward BO and DNC for what they did.
For those still remain undecided, may give it another looks about this election, and evaluate at a different angle.
Write in is not a preferable option. Dem Party may change the rule for their benefits at the last minutes, just like they told the delegates they needed to collect 800 petitions, instead of 300 at the convention. Just be aware of all the possibilities.
412
great article
415 Thanks for the pumafacts.com site
I think it will be very helpful to retrieve the grat info shared here
#462 DancesWithPumas
If the goal is to NOT elect BO, then we need to encourage all to vote McCain. I am afrain of those legions of new voters he has signed up. Who know if they will all go to the poles but you never know. To leave blank, vote 3rd party etc is not only taking away from BO but also from McCain.
I am 56 years old and have always voted Democrat. What has been done is the primarys has made me so angry. Just want everyone to know, I am not a secret republican trying to get votes for McCain. I am a disenfranchised democrat looking for revenge.
I will vote McCain/Palin
NObama is bragging about his $55 million for the month of August, the media did not mention NObama and DNC they’re short ($12 million) for the month of August. NObama is spending money like water. Democrats running in their district are worried too, the DNC has ZERO in their bank account to fund local democrats for their bid.
The RNC and McCain don’t have a problem when it comes to money, McCain accepted public financing ($84 million), he doesn’t have to raise funds for his own campaign. RNC and McCain have over $200 million cash on hand and continue to increase. McCain went to Chicago to raise funds for the RNC, in 5 hours he raised $5 million; right in NOBAMA’s backyard.
#451 PUFF I agree with you. I realize a lot of Pumas are uncomfortable with voting for McCain/Palin. But what would you rather do, vote third party or write in and see Obama win? Any vote left blank will be filled in by unscrupulous people and any vote for a third party or write in candidate will hand the nomination to Obama. At this point, our main objective is to keep him out of the WH. We will get our party back in 2012. If Obama gets in, we are doomed.
I think biggest threat is all the new registrations and voters. If he cannt win fair he will bring his own or make up his own votes.
Panic sets in for Obama, Democrats
Barack Obama knows it. The election he had in the bag is slipping away.
The selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as John McCain’s running mate has so thrown him off stride, as it has most other Democrats, that all the momentum he had has vanished. He’s getting panicky advice from everywhere. He intends to launch more and sharper attacks, abandoning any pretense of a new and different, more civil campaign.
Democrats know something, and desperation is setting in.
continue reading: http://countusout.wordpress.com/
Righttovote:
According to a friend of mine who was a Hillary delegate at the convention, the rule that changed regarding the petition was that they required them to circulate another petition to bring the roll call to the floor.
They said the first petition was to put her name in nomination and the second was for the floor vote.
Now, Im not debating with you that the whole thing was a freaking shame. It was DISGUSTING and should have never happened that way… BUT, we need to get things right. They essentially had to have a second petition with 300 names for the floor vote, too.
I believe the day after in Nov we need to start bringing our party back to right direction. I think puma will have losts of help but I agree the first objective is no obama. Think what a great new party dems will have when he is out,I think better than before even.
#467 Jane-PA The MSM is staying away from that issue to try and protect their chosen one. Hannity has not touched it either and I believe it is because the Repubs have an October surprise! Hannity is all over Obama every night and he is ignoring the lawsuit for a reason.
My vote for McCain is a protest vote because the DNC did not count my vote for Hillary.
I think maybe your right. I know they have a surprise I thought it was the tapes but think now it is more than that . We can hope
stoney yes your right on. One vote for Nov One didnt go to Hillary. I am voting McCain
Attaching a story from a NV paper about the FBI & Election Fraud Force – notice how ACORN is mentioned in the story…….
Aug. 01, 2008
Las Vegas Review-Journal
STATE-FEDERAL OPERATION: Election fraud task force formed
Investigators already looking into voter registration issues
By MOLLY BALL
REVIEW-JOURNAL
Elections
Politics
ON THE WEB
→ Primary Election Guide Nevada state and federal authorities on Thursday announced the formation of a task force that will aggressively pursue allegations of election fraud.
The secretary of state, attorney general, U.S. attorney’s office and Federal Bureau of Investigation plan to work together as the election approaches and on Election Day to ensure a free and fair election in Nevada, where record turnout is anticipated.
“This is part of an effort to work proactively,” Secretary of State Ross Miller, the state’s chief elections official, said of the combined effort, which he said would “ensure there is integrity in the system.”
Miller said investigators are already looking into allegations of fraud in voter registration, though he declined to go into specifics of an investigation he suggested was being handled by the FBI.
Clark County officials have said they suspect fraud is occurring in the thousands of voter registrations being submitted by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, which works to get low-income people to vote. ACORN, whose officials have faced fraud charges in other states, says the group’s workers are trained to follow the law.
Types of activity investigators would look into include voter registration workers being paid per registration, which is illegal; registrations coming in with duplicates or false names; or registrations being discarded when they belong to a particular political party, Miller said.
During the election, authorities will be on the lookout for bribery, intimidation, interfering with the election process and people voting more than once, Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto added.
Election irregularities are a topic commonly raised by constituents she talks to around the state, she said.
In addition to creating connections between agencies to enable them to work together more readily, the Election Integrity Task Force will include a toll-free phone number for reporting potential election violations, specially trained personnel and three command posts located around the state, said Steven Martinez of the FBI in Las Vegas.
Asked whether past elections in Nevada have been tainted by fraud, Miller mentioned allegations in the runup to the 2004 election that a Republican voter-registration drive threw out or tore up Democratic registrations. Those allegations were investigated but didn’t lead to criminal prosecutions.
To make sure their registration is in order, Miller said voters should consult the Web site http://www.silverstate08.com, where his office maintains a searchable voter registration database.
Did you see obiteme change his slogan again. It is now
“Change We Need”
How about some PUMA PENNY print outs? We can send them to his campaign head quarters. Too bad we couldn’t get some “tokens” that have a PUMA on them…..that would be too funny….send rolls of the to him…..
stoney42 on 09.14.08 at 11:59 am
Just got back from the gas station – unleaded regular – $4.46 a gallon.
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You’re in SC too aren’t you? Where I am unleaded reg was 3.99 this morning.
You all are right! How could I remember so incorrectly? I just checked my 2004 ballot.
No choice then but to go blank/McCain.
Everyone is panicing over “new voters.” Look this is what past experience has shown us. This is EVEN from a DFA training that I went to.
New registrations only translate into an actual vote for the your desired candidate about 10-15 percent of the time. Older people who register are very very unlikely to vote because if they were not motivated in the past, it’s highly likely they won’t be motivated, now. Young people who are new registrations may not vote because they don’t know how, have other things to do, etc.
The other thing you have to look at is where are these registrations coming from. You can go register 1 million new people. But, if they’re concentrated in places that are solidly democratic or republican, then, again, it’s sort of a non-point because it’s going to impossible to turn over the election in those places. Look at D.C. They have people on every street corner in D.C. you can register 100,000 new voters in D.C. but the point is, D.C. has two or 3 electorial votes and d.c. votes 95% or more Democratic. So, those 100,000 new voters are not going to do anything to add to the electorial vote.
In knoxville in 2003-2004 we single handedly registered 10,000 new voters. Our total number of Democratic votes increased by 5,000. Now, based on all kinds of variables, you cannot say that we got a 50% return on our investment of registering 10,000 new voters. In all likelyhood, it was probably 10% return.
Stop worrying about “all these new voters” it happens literally in every election. That is NOT going to be the thing to turn this tide. Because for all of those “new voters” it takes 5 times more contact and that contact has to include someone coming to that registrant’s door and literally taking them to the polls at least to translate that registration into a vote for your candidate.
470 Puff
#462 DancesWithPumas
If the goal is to NOT elect BO, then we need to encourage all to vote McCain.
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My vote is personal to me. I’ll cast it, or not, in any way I see fit. I respect the right of others to do the same.
I’ve been putting up with obots telling me how to vote. I come to this blog because I respect the integrity of its founder, and I support the goals as presented in the mission statement.
I don’t come here to hear endless cheerleading for yet another sexist male whose positions I neither respect nor support. If I wanted to read the praises of mccain, I’d go to a mccain centric blog. This site has not endorsed McCain.
#380-#381: LeeLeSavage: Wikepedia? Clearly your reference to Wikepedia indicates lack of total comprehension of the literal level text of my post beginning with the first sentence of it, let alone the meaning of the text and my conclusions.
So be it. You have , however, reached an accurate conclusion regarding the alternatives I laid out in the last sentence of the post. Congratulations!
I received an email today from Obama, asking me to forward the email to everyone I knew. The email was about the new Online Voter Registration website that the Obama
Campaign has and they will register you to vote.
The email indicated that they need lots more registered voters because the race is so close.
There is an article in the Parade insert in our Sunday paper this morning by Doris Kearns Goodwin who is the author of “Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln”. She won the Pulitzer Prize in 1995 for her book on Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt.
The article is called The Secrets of America’s Great Presidents and lists ten attributes that distinguish truly great Presidents. They are:
1. The courage to stay strong
2. Self-confidence
3. An ability to learn from errors
4. A willingness to change
5. Emotional intelligence
6. Self-control
7. A popular touch
8. A moral compass
9. A capacity to relax
10. A gift for inspiring others
There is also a place to rate the candidates Obama and McCain and a blog. For the full article and to rate the candidates, and to read the blogs, please check this out at:
http://www.parade.com/hot-topics/2008/09/secrets-of-great-presidents
Dances
To answer your question from yesterday posting,
I read the news from our local weekly newspaper the Austin Chronicle, this Thursday’s issue September 12th. And also it can be found on line at: austinchronicle.com
It’s considered a liberal paper and is the pride of the Austinites’ lifestyle.
Obama vs McCain on equal pay
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/378772_murdockonline12.html
scarolina -
Yes, I am on Hilton Head Island. Lots of tourists. They like to tour around and need gas to get home, so we locals have to pay the price.
MO was in Ohio campaigning on 9/11 instead of walk the ramp with Cindy and John McCain. Read the article on http://www.nobamanetwork.com. More Obama lies!
489 bellecat
Thank you!
DWP, I love you girl, but I fervently agree with Puff. This race is too close, the Obama machine is too corrupt and I think everyone who is Nobama should hold their nose and vote McCain. My neighbor was born and raised in Chicago and he has been talking about the corruption in politics there for a long, long time. But, I don’t even need to take his or other’s word for it. I have witnessed the democratic party and Obama in action and I say take no chances.
Regarding the leaving blank at the Top, needs to be looked carefully. And why do I say this?
Every state has different voting machines and techniques.
We here in Texas have problems with the voting machines implemented by the State.
That once you vote for a party line and for some reason if you want to verify anything in the ballot, automaticlaly it clears itself and ends up without a vote. yep!
A lawsuit was filed on the District Court and a republican appointee judge Sparks, dismissed the case and its now on appeal.
Although, in my county we have more reliable machines, we still encounter the non-paper trail and possible tampering when not making selections.
I’m just talking from experience of what goes on. Now remeber also, the caca (us) fraud we had here in the primaries…
Every State and counties need to look into this.
#486 DancesWithPumas ,
I agree that this site does not endorse any candidate but I disagree on McCain being a sexist. He was the one that has the woman vice president and if you read the link below …he is the one that gives equal pay for women. The Democratic party was not only sexist towards Hillary but now towards Sarah Palin and they don’t pay their women equal pay.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/378772_murdo
ckonline12.html
You can vote anyway that you like because that is your right as an American but that goes for everyone here.
The BO camp is out in full force in Alaska trying to dig up dirt on Palin…They are hoping for an October surprise…I hope it backfires!!
http://townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/09/13/obama_partisan_tampers_with_palin_subpoena_list?page=full&comments=true
dances with pumas..
in my opinion..
what makes you think that our supporting mccain palin is “cheerleading”. saying that makes us feel you have little faith in your fellow PUMAS intelligence and good intentions.
as a matter of fact it was you who said that a vote for mccain palin was the MOST POWERFUL protest vote pumas could make..
so whenever we support mccian palin it’s open to subjective interpretation by some over others that it is ‘”cheerleading”
Hi Pumas,
This may have been posted already but I got an email from Ricki Lieberman regarding state level races. It concerns some candidates supported by Hillary and John Kerry’s nemesis, Ed O’Reilly. For the sake of brevity, I will post information on each candidate separately.
“On the Ed O’Reilly – John Kerry contest: The Editorial Staff of the Boston Herald writes: “There is a reason 24-year-incumbent Sen. John Kerry has an opponent in this Tuesday’s Democratic primary, and frankly it has little to do with the war in Iraq and Kerry’s convoluted and frequently tortured stand on it.”
“O’Reilly is an engaging populist with a down-home touch. … he has worked hard to build the kind of bridges with communities and local officials that Kerry has for too long neglected. When was the last time (or the first time) John Kerry attended the Leominster Stroll or visited a firehouse or a ham and bean supper in the Berkshires?We will say what so many people in Massachusetts have whispered for so very long: John Kerry needs to pay far more attention to the people who have sent him to Washington year after year than he has in the past. And if voters want to send him that message by casting a vote for Ed O’Reilly – well, we can’t disagree.”
Please call Rebecca Kennedy at 617 924-2008 to make a contribution, do visibility, or work the polls on Tuesday.”
or visit http://www.edoreilly.com/
Hi Sherry! Can’t seem to catch up with you these days.
Has there been anything mentioned to back up an “October Surprise”? I have heard it mentioned on this blog, but where does this originate from?
Late notice on this, but if you are in the area….
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IN HOUSTON ON SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 21, 1.30 PM
A reception to thank Senator Clinton and support Sheila Jackson Lee with funds to keep her long held seat. Please see the attached invitation and contact Ann MacNaughton at ann.macnaughton@gmail.com for more information.
If you cannot attend, please make a contribution.
http://www.sheilajacksonlee18.com/
#501 LaureyPuma,
I haven’t seen anything specific. The “October Surprise” is conjecture based on historical precedent. In most elections, anything damning to a candidate is usually withheld until October so as to have maximum impact on the election results.
Am I here alone or do I have bad breath?
Sigh …….
#500 antifish ,
Hi Anti!!! I have been back and forth between the two sites. I will be glad when Prowland gets back to help. I just got an email from Just Say No Deal for a conference call and don’t know what to do. I don’t like making major decisions without Prowland about the site. I may have to just skip this one. Any suggestions?
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#503 Antifish, thank you for explaining that! Makes sense. Let’s hope the GOP has something big to reveal.
perhaps i have had it wrong all my life.. i have always thought that it was the GOP who had control of the media and that it was the poor democrats were the victims..
i am astounded how much control the DNC and obama campaign have control over the media..the GOP looks pitifully weak and helpless in fighting back against such a leviathan as the obama machine..
i hope the GOP has some ability and wherewithall to counter attack obama and expose him to the public like obama is doing to palin
#506 Sherry,
Hey! I’m sure Prowlland will be proud of all you have done in her absence. I would call in to the conference call just to get any information they are putting out. If they ask you to commit to anything, just tell them you will put them in touch with Prowlland as soon as possible.
Electoral College Tie Could Put Pelosi in White House
It’s within the realm of possibility that the Electoral College vote could end in a tie this election year — and that would most likely put a Democrat in the White House.
The question is, which Democrat?
Political analyst Dick Morris mapped the presidential election in the September issue of Newsmax magazine and counted 186 delegates for Democrat Barack Obama, with 83 others “leaning Obama,” for a total of 269 electoral votes. He counted 130 delegates for McCain, with 72 “leaning McCain,” for a total of 202 votes.
But Morris also counted 67 “tossup” delegates, and if the McCain-Sarah Palin ticket — which has been rising in the polls of late — were to snare those delegates, the Republican ticket would also end up with 269 votes.
The number of electoral delegates needed to win is 270.
In the event of a tie, provisions of the 12th and 20th Amendments would kick in. One provision stipulates that if no candidate receives a majority of the votes, the House of Representatives must go into session immediately to vote for president.
But in that case, each state delegation would receive only one vote, regardless of the number of House members from that state. California and New York would each have one vote, as would Wyoming and Delaware.
In the current House, there are 27 states with a Democratic majority in their House delegations, and 21 with a Republican majority. The delegations of two states, Arizona and Kansas, are equally divided between Democrats and Republicans.
The House as currently divided, then, would almost assuredly select Obama as president.
However, if the GOP were to pick up Arizona and Kansas plus two other states, each party would have 25 states and the vote would be deadlocked again.
At the same time, the House is attempting to select the president, the Senate would be required to go into session to select the vice president, with each senator receiving one vote and a majority of 51 votes required for selection.
The current Senate has a paper-thin Democratic edge, so it’s possible the Senate could also be deadlocked in selecting the vice president.
According to the Constitution, if the House cannot select a president in time for the Jan. 20 inauguration, then the vice president-elect would serve as president “until a president shall have qualified.”
But what if the Senate was indeed deadlocked and there was no vice president-elect?
According to the Presidential Succession Act of 1947, the sitting speaker of the House would “act as president” until either the House chose a president or the Senate chose a vice president.
With the Democrats expected to hold on to a majority in the House, that “sitting Speaker” would likely be the current speaker — Nancy Pelosi.
#510 antifish,
That is a good idea. Do you know what the time here is Texas is versus EST? I always get confused
Hello, PUMA’s… I’ve been reading your blog since the announcement of Sarah Palin as the republican nominee for VP and heard you mentioned by Geraldine F… and while I am a registered R, I hold fast to respecting that others have different opinions than I. Having said that, I truly admire the grassroots effort you are putting out to change your party. I hope that those of us on the opposite side of the aisle can someday do the same with our party and get the crap out of Washington DC! Believe me, some shakin’ up definitely needs to happen in that town.
While I have a few different views than HRC, I do admire her for what she has acccomplished. I accept that we all have a differing opinons but nothing sends my temperature up more than a complete and total demoralizing of ANY woman, as evidenced by the BO and DNC (and MSM) towards Hillary and now my gal, Sarah.
I fear for our country should BO be elected, so I support your efforts and have told many about your cause… and guess what, for one brief shinning moment we R’s and D’s are united for one cause…
By the way, I am Pro-choice… I don’t believe Roe v. Wade is in any danger because it’s not the main issue. The MSM tries to make it an issue because they feel it will scare voters…. do not fall for this…
Also, I saw where some of you were on the johnmcain blog and from what I hear you weren’t too impressed…. It can get really nasty between the “trolls” (nobots) and the far right bloggers. Not all of us R’s are like that…There are those that think “their” opinon is the only right one and then there are those like me who prefer to listen to both sides and make my choice as imformed as possible. After all, if we all had the same opinion, growth and change would never occur.
Thanks for listening and keep up the good fight.
#508 LaureyPuma,
Yes, I am keeping my fingers crossed. Still think it may be the Michelle “Whitey” tape. For some reason, I think they were going to release it in June but decided to hold on to it.
I’m here antifish just watching my Redskins so not talking just reading.
Hi Pumas –
Just a quick note – today’s Star Trib posted a Minnesota Poll – cupcake & McCain tied at 48% – this has always been a blue state but is turning purple (hate purple) – I think I’m supporting an Independence Party candidate for State Senator – can’t stand Norm Coleman, Al Franken was a funny guy but……………, Dean Barkley, Independence Party, was appointed to finish Paul Wellstone’s term after he was killed in plane crash……
Back later – been raining off and on for two days & I’m gettin’ tired of it……………glad I’m not in the south – gonna be pretty miserable there for quite awhile-at least according to the news……………….
Sorry if already posted but an excellant blog post:
http://contributors.blogsome.com/2008/09/13/ks/
Excerpt:
“The stark contrasts between the two presidential candidates are swiftly altering the political landscape in favor of John McCain. Some might argue that McCain is simply experiencing a momentary “bump” in the polls that normally occurs after a convention or Vice President pick. I disagree.
I believe we are bearing witness to the biggest political blunder of all time and the beginning of the end of Barack Obama’s vapid, feel-good candidacy. “
sandi… its theoretically possible but extremely unlikely..
as for dick morris.. i remember interviews with him during the primaries when he insisted that hillary would most definitely win and obama didnt have a chance.. so i would take what he says with a grain of salt..
Eastern time is one hour ahead of Texas time. It’s
12.16 PM here in the Mid West, it is 1:16PM in New York
#512 Sherry,
Unless you are in the El Paso area, you are one hour behind us. It is 1:18 here now.
Here is a time zone site you may want to bookmark.
http://www.timetemperature.com/tzus/time_zone.shtml
Thank you Antifish and lilibet. I will definitely bookmark that link.
#514 Slyt2,
Hey there, Puma!
#520 texassherry hey do you have to sign up for your site or just post away. I saw a log in but not a new person register?
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i have a suggestion..
wouldnt it be safer and more secure to keep logistical and planning nuts and bolts by communicating in private via email?
i’m sure this site is heavily monitored by obama operatives who are looking for information regarding meetings and public events..
why give them the adavantage of a “heads up” and the ability to counter our actions and plans ahead of time?
#522 slyt2 ,
At this time there is no registering. If we get invaded by bots in the future we may change it.
Hi Pumas – my best friend just sent me the following email – take a look – has anyone seen the movie? It’s lengthy & I apologize for that………………….
WHY WOMEN SHOULD VOTE
This is the story of our Grandmothers and Great-grandmothers; they lived only 90 years ago.
Remember, it was not until 1920
that women were granted the right to go to the polls and vote.
The women were innocent and defenseless, but they were jailed
nonetheless for picketing the White House, carrying signs asking
for the vote.
And by the end of the night, they were barely alive.
Forty prison guards wielding clubs and their warden’s blessing
went on a rampage against the 33 women wrongly convicted of
‘obstructing sidewalk traffic.’
(Lucy Burns)
They beat Lucy Burns, chained her hands to the cell bars above
her head and left her hanging fo! r the ni ght, bleeding and gasping
for air.
(Dora Lewis)
They hurled Dora Lewis into a dark cell, smashed her
head against an iron bed and knocked her out cold. Her cellmate,
Alice Cosu, thought Lewis was dead and suffered a heart attack.
Additional affidavits describe the guards grabbing, dragging,
beating, choking, slamming, pinching, twisting and kicking the women.
Thus unfolded the ‘Night of Terror’ on Nov. 15, 1917,
when the warden at the Occoquan Workhouse in Virginia ordered his
guards to teach a lesson to the suffragists imprisoned there because
they dared to picket Woodrow Wilson’s White House for the right
to vote.
For weeks, the women’s only water came from an open pail. Their
food–all of it colorless slop–was infested with worms.
(Alice Paul)
When one of the leaders, Alice Paul, embarked on a hunger strike, they tied her to a chair,
forced a tube down her throat and poured liquid into her until she vomited.
She was tortured like this for weeks until word was smuggled out to the press.
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/suffrage/nwp/prisoners.pdf
So, refresh my memory. Some women won’t vote this year because-
-why, exactly? We have carpool duties? We have to get to work?
Our vote doesn’t matter? It’s raining?
Last week, I went to a sparsely attended screening of HBO’s new
movie ‘Iron Jawed Angels.’ It is a graphic depiction of the battle
these women waged so that I could pull the curtain at the polling
booth and have my say. I am ashamed to say I needed the reminder.
All these years later, voter registration is still my passion. But the
actual act of voting had become less personal for me, more rote.
Frankly, voting often felt more like an obligation than a privilege.
Sometimes it was inconvenient.
My friend Wendy, who is my age and studied women’s history,
saw the HBO movie, too. When she stopped by my desk to talk
about it, she looked angry. She was–with herself. ‘One thought
kept coming back to me as I watched that movie,’ she said.
‘What would those women think of the way I use, or don’t use,
my right to vote? All of us take it for granted now, not just
younger women, but those of us who did seek to learn.’ The
right to vote, she said, had become valuable to her ‘all over again.’
HBO released the movie on video and DVD . I wish all history,
social studies and government teachers would include the movie in
their curriculum I want it shown on Bunco night, too, and anywhere
else women gather. I realize this isn’t our usual idea of socializing,
but we are not voting in the numbers that we should be, and I think
a little shock therapy is in order.
It is jarring to watch Woodrow Wilson and his cronies try to persuade
a psychiatrist to declare Alice Paul insane so that she could be permanently institutionalized.
And it is inspiring to watch the doctor refuse. Alice Paul was strong, he said, and brave.
That didn’t make her crazy.
The doctor admonished the men: ‘Courage in women is often mistaken for insanity.’
Please, if you are so inclined, pass this on to all the women you know.
We need to get out and vote and use this right that was fought so
hard for by these very courageous women. Whether you vote democratic,
republican or independent party – remember to vote.
History is being made.
#524 osaka puma,
I agree. That is why I didn’t put a date and time. I am sure the bots know that we have meetings so I didn’t give them any info. Besides that only members of JSND can participate and have a secret code so bots cannot invade.
Cool so I can come in and post away..thanks
susie.. what a shame that so many womens rights and feminist groups are allying themsleves with neanderthals who want to destroy and slime with sexism the real opportunity of womans advancement having a woman next in line to the most powerful office in the land ..
i’ve heard it said a miilion times that women are their own worse enemy..how true it is..
#528 slyt2,
Yes you can. The only rules that we have is that the site remains friendly. Any attacks will be deleted. If you don’t like our opinions you can respectfully disagree or move to another site.
#249 pumasupporter,
Wyoming is known as the “Equality State” because of the rights women have traditionally enjoyed there. Wyoming women were the first in the nation to vote, serve on juries and hold public office.
Love Wyoming…but women still don’t have equal rights…but that isn’t the state it is the MEN that hire women at a lower rate than men. Believe me there is still many of those “MEN” in this state.
Yes Redskins 3 New Orleans 0 . Well I don’t attack people so I’m ok there, but do you have a list of your opinions lol.
#533 slyt2 ,
No
There is no list. The about page gives a general description on who we are. So far all of the post have been positive and friendly and everyone is working well together.
Hello Antifish! and all Pumas!
Good to see you here.. I took pictures today of me putting my stickers on my car. A PUMA sticker I designed and a “Hillary Supporter for McCain” sticker I ordered. I’m going to send them to Maryland & Murphy. Maybe I can have your prowl address so I can send it to you also…..ps my car isn’t a bus tho it looks like it.It’s an Isusu Ascender. I feel safer knowing I’m up high & can see whats coming ahead. I was concerned at first about putting the PUMA sticker on because of mean people but I’m getting too old to worry about that. BIG ROAR!
one4all.. the thing that concerns me most about having a NOBAMA bumper sticker is vandalism to my vehicle..
i have an idea..how about a detachable bumpersticker that can be removed while you are parked shopping
#533 slyt2 ,
We all share the common view of “Country Before Party”.
The tripe about Palin in an “Extreme Religion”?
Palin’s faith resonates with 70% of American Christians. and 72% of Americans say they are at least somewhat religious.
But talk about an ‘Extreme” faith, how about Black Liberation Theology. A theology Obama and family have been worshiping for over 20 years.
“”Black theology cannot accept a view of God which does not represent God as being for oppressed blacks and thus against white oppressors. Living in a world of white oppressors, blacks have no time for a neutral God. The brutalities are too great and the pain too severe, and this means we must know where God is and what God is doing in the revolution. There is no use for a God who loves white oppressors the same as oppressed blacks. We have had too much of white love, the love that tells blacks to turn the other cheek and go the second mile. What we need is the divine love as expressed in black power, which is the power of blacks to destroy their oppressors, here and now, by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject God’s love.” [A Black Theology of Liberation, p. 70]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_liberation_theology
Yeah, Obama faith isn’t “Extreme” is it?
LOL
sly..
dont mess with Sherry.. she’s from Texas..
Oh I know I was just messing with you,texassherry
#535 one4all sounds like you are gonna have a pretty good looking car lol.
Yes Redskins 6 and New Orleans a BIG 0
robotech..
that is an excellent observation and analysis..
#539 osaka puma but I’m Irish and Germany I think I can hold my own with a Texan…. lol…
#513 VAKatforPalin,
Thank you for checking in on us. We appreciate all viewpoints here as long as they aren’t trying to push their opinions on others.
They say politics makes strange bedfellows and this election has certainly proved that to be true.
If someone had told me even a year ago that I would be outraged at the media’s treatment of a conservative woman, I would have laughed in their face. Now, I even listen to Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly. I must admit that my political views have softened a bit around the edges.
You know what? I don’t think that’s a bad thing at all.
texassherry and others: The Republican party more supportive of civil rights and women? Since when?
I think not. Hubert Humphrey was the first Senator in the modern era to address the issue of civil rights in the late 40s on the Senate floor…Nothing Republican about him. Moreover, the trade union movement did more during the 19th and 20th century to support the rights of all individuals in the workplace than anything or anyone else , incliuding to this very day, the Republican party. It wasn’t Republicans who, for example, did anything about work hours, wages, working conditions of women, for example, in the sweat house factories of the East. The fact that my party,the Democratic Party,
now for the most part because of Obimbo usurpations supports the removal of a secret vote in elections among workers, men and women alike, to decide wheteher to unionize or not, and thereby subjects workers to intimidation from employers and any one else who seeks to intimidate, is another example of a reason why this lifelong Democrat trusts either party at this time in history to represent the interests of the so called middle class and our rights. This election cycle, I pray God, raises abherrations I hope that are temporary , but only I believe if we are successful in our efforts in this Pac. I am not voting for the Obimbo but that in no way moves me to deconstruct the history of both parties in this country. In fact, I am voting to attempt to return a balance to both.
#533 slyt2 ,
And of course NOBAMA. We also respect and support McCain/Palin.
I may add more description to the about page later but it is pretty obvious by the info and the posts where we stand. It is a safe place for pumas that don’t want to go to the McCain website but still want to blog and get info. Most people there are still coming here to participate in prowls and stay a part of the pumapac group.
sly….
im from california..we arent very tough.. actually most of us are “candy asses”
#535 one4all,
Wow, your car sounds cool. I’d love to see the pictures! Just send to antifishpuma at geemail dotcom.
correction to NewOrleansPumapost#544:…why this lifelong Democrat trusts NEITHER party at this time in history to represent the interests of the so called middle class and our
#539 osaka puma,
antifish..wouldnt it be cool if someone had a mercury “cougar” and styled it up like a “puma”?
if im not mistaked cougar and puma are the same animal,cousins to the jaguar …zooooooooooom
Osaka,
That would be better definately but I don’t do much shopping either. Actually I might go out once a week, maybe. I have to pick up medications & stop for food& gas..Thats about it. My children say I’m a self-imposed woman in exile..Thats ok because I like being with me. I’m an avid idealist which tells me I’m open to alot of things out there and also having experienced alot of stuff out there, the older I get the more I like my craftroom and yorkies.
#548 NewOrleansPuma ,
I agree that neither party has been the poster child. There was a post earlier though that listed both democratic and republican accomplishments for civil rights and gender equality and the republicans had done more overall.
We need to make sure that both parties are supporting civil rights and gender equality. This should not be a party issue but an American issue. That is why I am Country before party and will vote for who I think will do us most good overall rather than just vote for the party.
slyt2
Not getting the Skins game on tv today. Is Breese (sp) at quarterback?
#550 osaka puma,
Yes, that would be an awesome car!
#542 slyt2 ,
I am German, Russian, Scotch, Irish, AND Texan
one4all.
how about having 2 bumper stickers on your car next to eacother..
first sticker “NOBAMA”,second sticker “important member of the Gambino family”
#542 slyt2 ,
Most of all I am an American.
Campbell is our quarterback and D.Brees is theres I can’t get the game on tv either so i am watching it on the computer..
TexasSherry could you please sent the link to your website I guess i forgot to bookmark it when I went there.
#558 slyt2,
http//mccainmavericks.wordpress.com
#551 one4all,
Sounds like we have a lot in common. I too, am in exile and love spending my time with my two little Shih Tzus. They are wonderful companions and fine honorary Pumas!
Did the whole travel the world thing in the Army, now I’m just enjoying some peace and quiet.
#558 slyt2,
OOPs forgot the colon:
http://mcpalinmavericks.wordpress.com
I have been reading more than posting these last few days. I feel that all of us PUMA’s know by now that this site does not endorse McCain/Palin but it still allows us to post our views and our preferences as long as we don’t try to attack or belittle others who don’t. In other words, let others post their views and preferences without engaging them in a negative way as we expect them to do unto us.
I think all the chatter about McCain/Palin tends to take away from our NO. 1 goal of spreading the word about NoBama.
What else can we do, as mere Puma mortals , to make sure that Obama is not elected. Surely we have not exhausted all options ? Done everything we could possibly do ? I know the lists are being drawn up for the action center for all to view and read – then what ?
#562 freddiebrown,
We need a ground game.
#562 freddiebrown ,
I agree. We have gotten a lot of good info for prowls but nothing put into action. I think everyone is waiting for Marylandpuma and Murphy to return to initiate that. IMO
I guess I am a do-er and can’t help but feel that we are in our nice cocoon again. I love reading and learning so much from all of you. On the contrary, unlike DWP and some other PUMA that says if posts are more then 6 lines long, they tend to skip it. I look for the long posts because they tend to have more information.
I just feel like, what now – we are digressing further and further each day. I love that mid night prowl. Do something on our own without waiting for Murphy. We know what our boundaries are and we won’t do anything that is questionable to the above PUMA code of conduct.
Antifish, TexasSherry, Anna 7000/Asian4Hil ? Anyone ? please take charge ? I am a work horse, I like being put to work.
Sorry totally off topic but stoney42 J.Campbell pass deep middle to C.Cooley to NO 18 for 27 yards Redzone
Freddiebrown I do understand but i also no in between discussion there is alot of work being down as in faxes and email and lot of people are doing there own projects so we are doing a lot too.
freddie..
unfortunately,there is only ONE option left to us that can stop Obama and that is supporting and voting mccn palin..
Osaka! Great idea! love it!
Antifish, Wow we do! sending pics..just downloaded them..ck e-mail in 5 min.!
I think I will ask Murphy – from now on till Nov 4, we are not allowed to post here until we have talked to at least 1person about NoBama – each day. We can talk on the phone, perfect strangers, cold call, anything. Or even email. Initiate a call or initiate an email. Just state why you can’t vote for Obama. Don’t have to get into a confrontation or a discussion (unless you want to). Just state your views and excuse yourself. Plant a seed. We can put together a conversation template if it is needed.
Put all that free minutes to work .
I have been sending e-mails on my own every day to the media, saying I am a Dem that will not vote for BO, or asking about voter fraud. Not sure it does much good, but I do it anyway. I think it is better when we all attack at the same time.
Thanks, Slyt2
Everyone here please go to post #474-Joh and click on countusout.com then scroll down to ‘OBAMA PARTISIANS TAMPERS W/PALIN SUBPEONA LIST’…this gist of it is…the Obama THUGS are trying to rig ‘troopergate’ to impeach Gov Palin as the “October Surprise”…thus throwing the election to Nobama. Unbelievable! The GOP better start blazing away with those big guns…..if they have any.
mccaindemo…
i am hoping and praying that the mccain campaign has a little ’surprise” of their own to spring on obummer in october..
this election is becoming more and more like “spy vs spy” in the old MAD magazines..hehe
#552TexasSherry: I have read that post. Where in it does it affirm name, or indicate anything the Republican party did for women or civil rights? And, that precisely was and is my point. To claim what one in fact did not do is not to have in fact done anything.
Sanctimonious usurpation of issues by Republicans does not jibe with history. This method has concurrently been repeated by Obimbo. When one looks at his record re housing in South Chicago, one easily sees that in fact, green is his color of choice.
Certainly I concur with your decision to choose Country over party, and for reasons I recaptituated in my post and others before that post, I will vote for McCain/Palin. I resent that I have to do that, but I do it with enthusiasm as a strategy for a desire for that return to balance in both parties I hope and pray and will work for. And, of course, I do so because I conclude that Obama and his mindset are a direct threat to the very nature of this democratic Republic,
no small issue, that’s for sure.
#473 jane-pa on 09.14.08 at 12:10 pm
I think biggest threat is all the new registrations and voters. If he cannt win fair he will bring his own or make up his own votes.
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I have worried that he would pull in illegals and get their votes………….but then the karma effect may take place and many of the young high school seniors and first time voters may see him down in the polls and not go to vote. Kids like ‘winners’ and not the underdog.
antifish – was just chatting with Goandersen, she said to say “Hi”.
Antifish, Maryland you’ve got mail!
New Orleans Puma, I think that you may have been told some false information. It is a fact that the G.O.P did more for civil rights and women’s rights than the Democrat Party. All you have to do is look back in the old platforms of both Parties. The GOP was the first party to support civil rights and women’s rights in their platform while Democrats EXPLICITLY supported slavery in their platforms. If you’d like, I could get you all the information so that you could see for yourself. We can debate on issues, but there’s no debating a fact. The Republican Party did more than the Democrat Party for civil rights and women’s rights and that’s not a partisan opinion, that is a fact.
#543 antifish
Thanks… I would never attempt to push my views onto anyone else. I think healthy debate
is good for everyone and if each of us learns something we didn’t know before, than that is healthy. I have to say, two years ago, I thought it was going to be Hillary against Mitt in 08 just from all the chatter (I work in the Capital city) but I was not surprised that McCain won the R primary…however, I was TOTALLY surprised that Obama won…. I was like–who is this guy? I knew nothing about him except he had made a splash at the 04 DNC (I watch both as I try to vote country over party…) From this blog, I’ve learned a lot about him and not much of it good…and I really appreciate the “true facts” that come from this blog (the links to undoctored video, historical references, and real research you all do.)
I actually am not too worried about troopergate because the Rep’s have a lot of tricks up their sleeve, and they are very, very good at this stuff – much better than the Dem’s. Look what happened to Kerry, etc in the past.
I guess there is a new post upstairs and people are posting away , I didn’t read anything about taking it upstairs.
Hi! #572 Osaka….LOVE the Mad Mag ref!!!!!! This campaign is about to get even more surreal….the National Enquirer has a real HIT piece against Palin family -mainly her KIDS…I honestly cannot fathom how these sleaze mongers can justify going after kids-teenage&BABY. Win at all costs is BO motto…gee when is the Enquirer going to go after BO kids ???? How about their paternity????hmmmmmmmm Rumors and wild tales of others children seem to NOT be out of bounds,BO, buck up and lets get a DNA test huh?!
574BillieJoe and jane-pa: He will and already has pulled in illegals. He has pulled in dead people. He has and will continue to challenge various state requirements that demand confrimation of residence and voter identification. He will deluge the polls in exactly the way he did at the Caucuses. For this reason, I urge, exhort, nay..beg people not to stay home on that day.
How will you feel if you do that and this guy wins? How do you know that your giving up your right to vote as he himself took away from us in the primaries and in the DNC did not help him? , no matter your reasons for doing that.Guilt trip? NO…Reality trip.
Please use the greatest right we still have(I hope) in this country: The right to vote in private for a candidate
on election day.
And now, having made my little speech(Iknow!) I need to turn my attention to the most important issue of this day: Watching the New Orleans Saints beat the Redskins! Cheers to each and all of you Pumas.
#544 NewOrleansPuma
Check out #179 and:
Republicans and Women
Standing in sharp contrast to the two existing political parties’ present stereotypes regarding minorities and women, once again the Republican Party was the vanguard in relation to women. In 1917, Jeannette Rankin, a Montana Republican, became the first woman to serve in the House. Committed to her pacifist beliefs, she was the only member of Congress to vote against entry into both World War I and World War II.
Shortly after Rankin’s election to Congress, the 19th Amendment was passed in 1919. The amendment’s journey to ratification had been a long and difficult one. Starting in 1896, the Republican Party became the first major party to officially favor women’s suffrage. That year, Republican Sen. A. A. Sargent of California introduced a proposal in the Senate to give women the right to vote. The proposal was defeated four times in the Democratic-controlled Senate. When the Republican Party regained control of Congress, the Equal Suffrage Amendment finally passed (304-88). Only 16 Republicans opposed the amendment.
When the amendment was submitted to the states, 26 of the 36 states that ratified it had Republican-controlled legislatures. Of the nine states that voted against ratification, eight were controlled by Democrats. Twelve states, all Republican, had given women full suffrage before the federal amendment was finally ratified.
569 I would like to make calls. I received a list from the Election Board “Party Declaration Report” with names, phone #’s, party of voters by town in my County. It is public domain and anyone can request it, but must fill out form to get it. That is for NJ of course.
I would like some help on figuring how to present myself, a script like I used to make calls for Hillary.
New Post UpStairs if you didn’t know.
HEADS UP EVERYBODY
I just bought for only about $15.00 from Amazon.com the following book. It came yesterday. “The Case Against Barack Obama” by David Freddoso. It’s an excellent current report of some 290 pages.
Among other things on page 163 we have the following: “Michelle Obama’s employer, University of Chicago Hospitals, raised her pay from $121,910 in 2004 to $316,962 in 2005, two months after her husband became a U.S. Senator. Barack Obama would later request a $1 million federal earmark for the hospital.” Her job is public relations. There’s a lot more in this book.
Suggest you get a copy and check it out.
Common Sense 12
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