Holy smokes, Folks. I think Sarah Palin may have delivered the tagline for a new era of political populism in her address to an “electrfied” Republican party last night.
This morning it is perfectly clear that the DONC has been undone, outmaneuvered, and straight-up outclassed by the Republicans. How does a Palin bear hug feel Nancy? Beside the baby-toting, gun-wielding, big-grinning dynamo from the Wild Wild North, Nancy you look sort of, I don’t know — wan?
The DONC has also been outed — outed as sexist wimps who are too weak to face down bullies. NOT ONCE did a leader of the DONC call out Chris Matthews or Keith Olbermann for their sexist attacks on Hillary . NOT once did the DONC stand up to Kos or Rhoades or the other Blogger Boiz — the keepers of the swamps from which the most abhorrent language and imagery was used to silence, humiliate, and intimidate Hillary supporters (tampon teaparty Anyone?). I could not believe it when Rudy Giuli-freaking-ani demanded last night in tones of thunderous indignation, “How dare they question whether Sarah Palin has enough time to spend with her children and be Vice President. How dare they do that. When did they ever ask a man that question?”
This is called reframing the debate, Folks, and the Republicans have done it again. They have successfully painted the DONC as the political haven for sexists, hypocrites, weaklings, and elitists. Just like Anglachel said last week. Oh, and the sexism? Read HERE, HERE (Taking Out The Trash), and HERE.
And as, Shakes says, “We defend Sarah Palin against misogynist smears not because we endorse her or her politics, but because that’s how feminism works.”
Oh, and the DONC still gets the willies when it gets in close contact with actual representatives of THE WORKING CLASS! EWWWW! I see poor people. YUCK! Why can’t they just go to the dentist for crying out loud? We don’t really have to associate with those freaks do we? (Great way to appeal to voters, Guys).
The thing about Republicans, as wrong as they are about pretty much everything, is that they are UNAPOLOGETICALLY BADASS about their base. They like Christy Todd Whitman and Carly Fiorina and Orrin Hatch, but they LOVE T. Boone Pickens, and Tom Delay, and now, Sarah Palin. Republicans are not embarrassed by the more kooky, less groomed wings of their party — the religious fanatics and gun nuts, the cowboy bizness men who thumb their noses at the law, the down-home shotgun ranch families with more children than dogs or more dogs than children, who can keep count — they LOVE them. They are proud of them and proud to be in the same political party with them.
I don’t think it’s a simple pander for votes (and even if it is, why the hell can’t the DONC learn to do this effectively??) I think a college drop-out like Karl Rove, who makes it all the way to the highest pedestal of power in the world, is absolutely flat-out tickled pink that half of his party is made up of people who have never been inside an Institute of Contemporary Art or an Ivy League library, but yet can still beat the political crap out of every lily-livered weakling in the Whole Foods parking lot. I think they LOVE that stuff.
The DONC, on the other hand? Love their base? Not so much.
They HATE Bill Clinton, but they LOVE Joe Biden? WTF??
They HATE Cindy Sheehan, but they LOVE Nancy Pelosi? WTF??
They HATE Hillary, but they LOVE Michelle? um, why?
The DONC claims to be the party for alternative energy and mass transit, but can you actually imagine Nancy Pelosi on a public bus?
The DONC claims to be the party for universal health care, but can you actually imagine Joe Biden in the waiting room of a community health center?
The DONC claims to be the party for the working class, but can you actually imagine Dianne Feinstein or John Kerry shopping in a Wal-Mart? And enjoying it?
You know, Diane, Barbara, John, Joe, and Barack — there are LOTS and LOTS of Democrats who shop at Walmart. There are LOTS and LOTS of Democrats who take the bus to work not because they are hip and free twenty-something’s making a very SERIOUS sacrifice and commitment to reducing our dependence on foreign oil and Preventing Global Warming, but because they CAN’T FREAKING AFFORD to own a car.
I’m done with the DONC. Absolutely finished. They are an empty-suit party led be an empty-suit candidate. They hate their voters. Well, they seem to love Whole Foods Nation, natch, but I gotta tell you, Whole Foods Nation is kind of like Sweden. There aren’t all that many people there, and probably half of them are secretly Republicans.
The DONC has no core principles and no believable commitment to its base. They can’t even pander successfully. When John McCain reaches out to someone like me and pretends to care about the things I care about in order to get my vote, that’s a pander, pure and simple. I know it. I kind of appreciate it I guess, and I do thank him for the effort — kind of like how a flirtatious pass may be both inappropriate and flattering at the same time. But hey, I’m not fooled. I don’t believe for one millisecond that the Republican Party will suddenly wake up and stop being the party of corporate welfare, reckless war, and religious fundamentalism. They may want Hillary voters, but not THAT much. But, still, the McCain camp has MOST certainly sealed the deal with many, many moderate Independents and conservative Democrats. With the Palin pick, the Fiorina ambassador tour, and the continued polishing of his maverick status, the darn Republicans KNOW HOW TO GO AFTER A VOTE AND THEY ARE NOT AFRAID OR ASHAMED TO TRY.
The DONC? Not so much. With their renewed and frenzied attacks on Palin as a, oh hell — let’s make a list:
- BIMBO
- GUN CLINGER
- RELIGION CLINGER
- BAD MOTHER
- MILF (look it up if you must)
- TEA PARTY HOSTESS
- HICK
- REDNECK
- PIECE OF WHITE TRASH
- MOTHER OF A SLUT
- HARPIE
- HEN-PECKER
- This list will be added to in time, I’m SURE.
The DONC has once again, NOT gone after my vote (or the votes of moderate Independents or liberal Republicans (that is WHOLLY beyond their intellectual or strategic grasp)). They have ONCE AGAIN actively attempted to alienate my sympathy. Whatever message or meaning they hope to deliver to me about the Palin pick, the only thing coming through to me is incoherence at best and renewed sexist onslaught at worst.
I say we SELL THEM ON EBAY.
If you have an EBay account (and I know zillions of Puma PAC members do — we are after all working class and many of us are women, and that means we know EBay), will you please offer for sale today:
The DONC! Yes, it’s a failed leadership and ineffective bunch of incoherent political hacks, but hey — the price is right! Absolutely FREE! In fact we’ll even ship them to you for free. Here’s what you get when you take the DONC off our hands:
Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Donna Brazile, Joe Biden, AND Barack Obama! The DO-NOTHING Congress is also included at no extra charge. Heck, we’ll even throw in Markos Moulitsas and the Daily KOS as a special incentive, but watch out! his bite is vicious and has been known to transmit disease.
Take our “leaders” home today — Please!
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I’m First????
Kudos to Cindy McCain:
Cindy McCain, Palin part on abortion, sex ed.
ST. PAUL, Minnesota – The wife of Republican presidential nominee John McCain doesn’t agree with vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin’s opposition to abortion in cases of rape and incest.
Cindy McCain also parts ways with her husband’s running mate on sex education.
Palin opposes abortion and rejects the view that pregnancies caused by rape and incest should be exceptions.
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Cindy McCain tells ABC’s “Good Morning America” that “I don’t agree with that aspect, but I do respect her for her views.”
Palin has opposed funding sex-education programs in Alaska.
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John McCain isn’t going to overturn Roe vs Wade or John will sleep on the couch for 4 years. That shoots down the Obie camps issue on that one.
I love the donkey!!
I can’t believe it! First time being firsts!!!
Okay Pumas help me out here. My son just e-mailed me the following when I told him there were a lot of Hillary supporters that were thinking of voting for McCain. He is a big Hillary supporter and is planning on holding his nose and voting for BO.
I need some ammunition to get him over to our side (not voting for BO).
My son’s e-mail:
Sour grapes shouldn’t be a votes determining factor.
Plus, as Hillary basically said, if you vote for the Republican party, you weren’t a real Hillary supporter in the first place.
It’s kind of a cool notion to think of Hillary having another shot in four years if we lose this term again, but it’s not guaranteed. And with our country being in such dire straits, we have no time to take a chance.
Top Ten?
hillmania, just tell your son we will NOT have a country to worry about if Obama and his thugs get into power!!
#896 bmw60 on 09.04.08 at 12:28 pm Good morning friends…. I just think its is Ironic that AA’s support the Democratic party so heartily…. It is the democratic party throughout its history as a party that suppressed the AA and I didn’t realize till recently that Martin Luther King was a republican.
does this group have goals anymore now that the procedural parts of the convention are over? any objectives about making things better for people?
it’d be nice to come here and see some kind of positive message, but it seems like from now until the election it’s just negativity.
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The political landscape has changed and Gov. Palin is the new star. I feel the country will be in good hands with McCain/Palin. It was also nice to see the Republicans stand up for her when the media started the sexist attacks. Hope the Democrats were watching!
Even though Sarah had a telepromter,it went out at the beginning of her speech and continued to malfunction through out the whole speech.
OK…. I PUT A POLL on my webpage…. go vote…
http://ww2.yuwie.com/profile/?id=375168
Gosh Murphy, I love it when you rant….
I wasn’t online yesterday during the convention..
My opinion was that Sarah Palin rocked… she changed the complexion of this race and I am stunned at her tenacity, grace and gumption. She is the ordinary woman who has broken the glass ceiling and did so with a strength that is present in all Women!
WOW, MURPHY….what a rant. Only thing I may disagree with is that McCain’s appealing and reaching out to women is just pandering. I think the fact that he has had Carly Fiorina around him as a financial advisor disproves that point….JMHO.
Again I am an Independent and it makes it easier to vote for McCain with Palin on the ticket. I am NOT a social conservative….fiscally yes…but I am still VERY DISAPPOINTED with DONC. I hate hypocrisy wherever it rears it ugly head….and it showed up big time with the democrats this election cycle.
You said it Murphy! This was great. Thanks for brightening my day!
Super Delegates for sale! hahaha
4 Hillmania – You tell him that your morals have to be your compass. You will not reward corruption and subterfuge , sexism ,and degradation . If this means that you will vote for an honest candidate that you do not agree with on issues or simply vote N.O.T. – That is exactly what you will do . The outcome of the Democratic Primaries only changed you options – it did NOT change your principles !
( or something like that
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Hillarys positions were moderate, not far left liberal like O’s. Hillarys positions are closer to McCains than O’s.
Far left or Far right- thats no way to govern when 90% of Americans are actually moderate.
tampon teaparty Anyone?).
murphy
#4 Hillmania,
Please tell your son this has nothing to do with sour grapes and everything to do with corruption in the Democratic party.
Is your son aware of the caucus fraud, voter intimidation, vote tampering, sexism, misogyny, racism, race-baiting and violations of the DNC’s standing rules which led to Obama’s selection as the nominee? If so, tell him a vote for Obama is a vote to validate all these despicable practices as acceptable. A vote to empower even more egregious practices in the future. If not, tell him to educate himself so he can make an informed decision. The information is all over the Internet.
Hillmania
No one knows who OB is but we do know he hung out with people who are racist (Wright), Terrorist (Ayers) and slum lords(Rezco). Doesn’t that count for anything? It’s frightning and no one should want to leave the next generation in the hands of some one we do not know. Good luck!
#4 Hillmania on 09.04.08 at 12:26 pm
I can’t believe it! First time being firsts!!!
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What? Are the first ten people to blog ‘firsts’?? 
Murphy – I hate for you to sound ignortant and all – but it’s “cowboy biDness men” not “biZness men ” get with the program ! LOL
I re-state again, it is with heavy heart that I applaud the Republicans- they are speaking out against the sexism in the media, they have a woman from a small town, clinging to her guns and religion! Running for VP!
I only wish it were my former party that could have blasted this sexism, stood up for a member of their own.
Finally, we are speaking out against it, I am proud to have been part of this movement that has brought this ugly sexism to the front page.
Go Sarah, take us where Hillary’s party would not allow her to go
Good one! I almost demand, because I’m not a demanding person, but add John Kerry to the for sale on e-bay list!
Murphy,
I love your article today, I am sure it was not that hard to write it since the DNC just finished trashing our Hillary few weeks ago. Now they have to face the Republican machine, and they are going to tell the DNC what they think. I am still pissed off about Hillary stopping the roll call vote, but she was wise to do that, I guess. We need her to come back. I love the picture, it says everything that is going to happen in Nov! DNC, tell the Obamas not to sell their Chicago house, they are going to stay there!
Murphy–THANK YOU! For everything you do, but especially for this well written blog topic above. I couldn’t have said it better.
And I LOVE THE DONKEY! That is a hilarious picture, and just perfect for the given situaton. He’s cute too. Too bad we can’t find a picture of an elephant chasing a donkey, and the donkey is screaming hyterically…..LOL
I counted about 5 AAs at the Repub convention. I guess they all went Dem. to support Obama. So much for country over all else. Oh, I’m sorry – I must be mistaken. I am sure there are legions and masses of AAs out there that are not voting for Obama – they have not come out of the woodwork yet.
#8 tkd on 09.04.08 at 12:32 pm
does this group have goals anymore now that the procedural parts of the convention are over? any objectives about making things better for people?
it’d be nice to come here and see some kind of positive message, but it seems like from now until the election it’s just negativity.
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If you think being positive is voting for the pretender then you are on the wrong blog. We are protesting the corrupt Democratic Party, and sending a message that sexism, caucus fraud, stealing votes and strong armed tactics to get Hillary delegates to fall in line are not the Democratic Party we have supported all our lives. They need to be taught a lesson, that is our goal. If that isn’t positive enough for you and you want us to all hold hands and get on the O train, you need to go over to Obama’s website to blog.
Murphy, Great article! I have never smiled this much and out right laughed since June. In fact since June, I’ve been heart broken and sick. But today, I feel alive again, energized and a Dem who is voting republican!
Brazille still thinks that Hillary supporters have come over and is backing Obama. Wonder what she’s smoking!
Go Sarah! She is woman, hear her roar”
7 bmw60~~~ AND, in case everyone just conveniently forgot~~~it was the Rpublicans who ended slavery and freed the slaves.
I enjoyed reading the commentary above. But I have one issue.
I think to say the Republicans are ‘wrong about just about everything’ is wrong. We are of different platforms and persuasions. Republicans and Democrats see things differently. However, the bottom line is that we are all Americans and our country SHOULD come first. I’m saying that, rather than label the other party as ‘wrong’ we should seek out the similarities, the common ground and try to find consensus.
If I am ‘wrong’ then as a native-american~~~everyone but us is wrong ( I don’t personally believe that) and may the Creator cause a great wind to blow ALL the intruders from our lands.
#11 prowlland
Done.
27 freddiebrown Did you see on the last thread where I pointed out that my friends are making remarks that the Rep. Party must not have invited AAs to the convention ? I agree that the AA comm. was not well represtented at the convention , but I don’t think it was because they weren’t invited , I think it was reflective of the unbalanced AA support for XO …
#12 Pm on 09.04.08 at 12:35 pm
Gosh Murphy, I love it when you rant….
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Me too. She says it better than I ever do. Way to go Murphy.
28, billiejo – well said!
Obama will be on Keith Oberman on Mon. WOW- that should be a lovefest.
Ya Hooooooooooo Murphy !!!!!!! Let em Have It !!
You can Speak for Me….any Day any Time !!!!
You Hit the Nail on the Head ….or should I say the DONC on the Head !!!!
Pumas Rock !!!! Rock On Pumas !!!!!!
bbl
#28 BillieJo,
To hell with the O Train, I’m on the BillieJo Train! Great comment!
Murphy – I love the Donkey for sale!. I am laughing so hard it hurts. You made my morning, I just spilled my coffee all over myself. Who do you think will buy the donkey? Maybe we ought to have a PUMA fundraiser where we sell the donkey to the highest bidder.. PUMAs rock!!
4hillinca ok if you are still hear I watched the whole interview with H & C with Newt G, I also read transcripts (but the transcripts didn’t cover the whole interview) anyways he never said anything about the DNC what he said was the media doesn’t want you to know the media doesn’t want you to find out the media he said that like 4 times this was the show from last nite, I can link it if you want.
There you guys go again , attacking and accusing anyone who expresses a different opinion of being an xo supporter . You should be ashamed . We do want to do some positive stuff and fix the Party , and we have been negative lately . I am not offended that someone would point that out . We have lurkers all the time and we need to try to be pro-active sometimes and not get caught up in our anger …..
#21BillieJoe: ha ha very funny! As a former medical transcriber that typo should never have happened. I was first though and that makes up for it.
It’s better to pander than not to try at all. The ONC has already said they don’t need us. When you stop making an effort then there is nothing left. It shows you just don’t care!
REPOST THRU FRIDAY I’m posting this again as I believe we have until the end of the week to try and get Obama knocked off the ballot in all 50 states. Send by fax so they are aware of what’s coming and then take to P.O. and have letters certified with a return receipt. I’ve already done Florida and so have several others. Someone is keeping a list of states but we are trying to get all 50 states represented. Feel free to use points in my letter but don’t copy it verbatim as I’ve already sent to Mukasey & Friedrich. I don’t think it has any punch if we all send the same letter. I also sent a letter to my Governor, that is up to you if you wish to do so.
For those of you who have been getting responses from your SOS or anyone asking for proof, please be sure to write back to them reminding them that they have the power of subpoena and investigation.
Attorney General,
Michael B. Mukasey YOUR STATE’S SOS
U.S. Dept. of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Ave., NW YOUR STATE’S AG
Washington, DC 20530-0001
Fax: (202) 307-6777
U.S. Dept. of Justice
Criminal Division
Attn: Matthew W. Friedrich, Acting Asst. AG
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20430-0001
Fax: (202) 514-9412
Subject: Objections to Senator Obama being placed on ballot in Florida as Democratic Presidential nominee
Gentlemen:
I am a registered (YOUR STATE) (Dem-REPUB-IND) and a long time voter. According to the Constitution of the United States, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States
I respectfully request that the laws of the U.S. Constitution be enforced. Furthermore, please demand that the Democratic Presidential Nominee Senator Barrack Hussein Obama be required to provide (1) a certified copy of the vault Certificate of Birth; (2) a certified copy of the Oath of Allegiance he would have had to take between the ages of 18-21 to regain his U.S. citizenship after leaving Indonesia; and (3) verify that he registered in the selective service (he would have had to do this within six (6) months of turning eighteen (18).
Before Senator Obama is named on a (YOUR STATE) state ballot for the office of President, the foregoing documents must be produced. Unless Sen. Obama produces evidence to the contrary, I believe he:
• Is not a natural-born citizen; and/or
• Lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia; and/or
• Has dual loyalties because of his citizenship with Kenya and Indonesia.
Numerous questions raised about Obama’s background have no satisfactory answers:
• Where was Obama born? Hawaii; an island off of Hawaii; Kenya; Canada?
• School records list Obama as a citizen of Indonesia. Was he a citizen of Kenya, Indonesia and/or Canada?
• Explanation of the names he has used: Barack Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham, & Barry Dunham.
• Illinois Bar Application – Obama fails to acknowledge use of names other than Barack Hussein Obama,
As Attorney Generals of the U.S. and (YOUR STATE), Secretary of State of (YOUR STATE), and(USE IF YOU SEND TO YOUR GOVERNOR) Governor of (your state) , I request that you investigate the possible forgery of a Hawaii Certification of Live Birth and require Sen. Obama to answer whether he was ever a citizen of Indonesia and further require him to submit all documentation that led up to him being a U.S. citizen. Senator Obama has refused and/or failed to provide proof of his birth as a natural born U.S. citizen. A falsified birth certificate has circulated the Internet and has been proven by experts to be a forgery. Additionally, a lawsuit has been filed against Sen. Obama, Berg v. Obama, Civil Action No. 08-cv-4083 regarding his qualifications to become President of the U.S.
As a natural citizen of the U.S. and a dedicated American patriot, I am adamant for the security of our nation that we choose our elected officials as required in our federal and state constitutions and laws.
Please require that Senator Obama provide absolute proof that he is a natural born citizen of the U.S. before his name is placed on the (YOUR STATE) state ballot for President of the United States. Thank you.
#30 Living Grace – I am 62 years old and Dem, never in my life did I vote Rep. But for all those years, I never cared about politics. I didn’t know what the candidate stood for. I was to busy raising 4 kids alone. (My husb. died with I was 25 yrs old) I would go into the voting booth and just voted! How dumb was I???
This year is different, I did like Hillary and her position on most things. Obama, I am scared of him. Once I looked into McCain and what he was offering, I knew right away I was voting McCain. I didn’t care who he picked for VP.
There is good in everyone, and there are bad things in everyone. This is the year the Rep. will win.
The Dems didn’t stand up for the person who should be our next President. Pelosi and Reid are pathetic! I am really done with these closed minded Dems.
I love all of you on this site. You keep me sane!
I left the democratic party after I saw the sexist treatment they were giving HRC in April. I wrote to them and told them. I was a long time Independent and switched to D just so that I could vote in the primaries. When I left in May I switched to the green party. Maybe we need a new party? I would gladly switch and give my money to a party that supported women and their causes. I feel as if a second wave of women uniting is coming. My mother, who is a republican who I use as the pulse of middle America said yesterday, I was not going to vote, but am now because we need more woman in positions of power. Wow.
Great Post!!!
Here’s the response I got back from a Colorado DNC official:
“I understand, but I have not seen any sexism in the directives coming out of the DNC. In fact, we have all been told to be careful to respond to issues not gender.
I believe what you are hearing is coming from the media. There is little we can do about their comments.
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The old “We didn’t do it” response.
Well they didn’t come out against it either!
Wimps
it seems almost biblical in a poetic way that a “huntress” woman from the far northern frontier wilderness comes into our lives..
sarah palin is everything nancy pelosi is NOT
#32 TexasTigress – Of course I read your post – it is the reason I posted as well. It still blows my mind that AAs flock to him unquestioned, unwavering. Too bad that the non AA’s don’t have that kind of fanatical conviction
You know… I sooooo want Hillary to be our next President…. she knew what she wanted to do… how she was going to do it…. how she was going to pay for it… and the —( fill in the blank)—- to get it done……but my daughter gets over 6,000 dollars back from the gov each year… and we get some… it would be hard to get that up!!! And i don’t tust that idiot to do anything but run for King of the world…
TexasTigress, hillaryistheone, antifish, cassie:
Thanks for some great ammo.
I take the bus to shop and to the doctor, my wife takes the bus to work, and my daughter takes the bus to work; we had a choice, we could buy a car or we could have a house. I, for one, would like to see more thought from the politicos about mass transit. For us, Bicycles don’t do it (maybe because, with the exception of my daughter, we’re not twenty-something).
My son, who is diabled, registered to vote for the first time yesterday. He registered as a Republican because he said, “the Democrats laugh at special needs people.” What can I say, at the moment the DONC does.
We’re some of those bitter fools who cling to our guns and religion in Pennsylvania.
At the moment, McCain/Palin seems the best choice; the money people in both the Republican and Democratic Parties hate them (check Peggy Noonan’s remarks on MSNBC — FoxNews.com has a jump to Us Weekly’s site). Though I warn the McCain/Palin Republicans as the cook said, “God, this here’s Curly; try not to piss him off! (“City Slickers”)
The media barks back at Sarah:
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/04/media-barks-back-at-sarah-excuuuuuse-me/
Does anyone know what actions we are taking today?
Good post murphy…one of your better ones. On the pandering, though. Not sure. As you said, they love their people…all of them.
The fact that they are reaching out the Hillary fans is not an accident. They wants us too and they mean it. McCain wore an orange tie. Who wears orange !!! Will they suddenly become flaming liberals and change their views. No.
But they saw a vote and extended their hand. BO extended his “finger”. That means something to me.
The work is cut out for us after we know ObooBoo will not be in office and that is to make sure we have a viable Democratic party. A one party system is not fun, no matter who they are.
#47 freddiebrown _ What REALLY blows my mind is the fact that my friends of all races who support XO are VERY over educated , and I KNOW that it is the historical significance of an AA running for POTUS that is trumping their very core ideals ! These are some BRILLIANT men and women who refuse to be burdened with FACTS . UGGGGGGGGHHHH .
44 joanna0902~~~ Thank you. I, too, happen to believe there is a little bit of bad in the best of us, and a little bit of good in the worst of us.
I think ladyhawkke deserves ALOT of credit for her perseverance with this campaign abainst BO with the SOS’s, A’G, and the Justice Dept. If only one state responds it will be enough to blow it wide open and the media will have no choice but to give it exposure.
If not, at least she gave it her best. Thanks, ladyhawkke.
MURPHY WROTE:
“I could not believe it when Rudy Giuli-freaking-ani demanded last night in tones of thunderous indignation, “How dare they question whether Sarah Palin has enough time to spend with her children and be Vice President. How dare they do that. When did they ever ask a man that question?”
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Hi, Murphy,
I don’t know if anyone has already brought this up — I haven’t had any time to read the comments for the past few days — but Rudy Giuliani is a moderate Republican. As a New Yorker, I know his positions well from when he was our mayor for eight years.
I was surprised that Giuliani was asked to give the keynote speech last night, considering his notoriously moderate positions:
He is Catholic, but pro-choice
He is pro-gay, and has a slightly odd fondness for dressing in drag (“odd” because he is straight, presumably. You should see the picture of him dressed as a Rockette!)
He is pro-woman — at least on the surface, although he and Hillary never mixed.
That makes it rather unremarkable to me that he would make that statement about the media questioning Palin’s ability to be a good mother while running for VP. It’s actually odder that he would be tapped to give the keynote for what is being called “the most conservative Republican platform in history”.
NYCgirl
MURPHY
Another sexist label for your list. This morning on Washington Journal a caller said the republicans picked a playboy bunny as their candidate.
#45 mesofree
It is responses and attitudes from DNC officials like this being the precise reason why so many Democrats are fed up! It’s not just “oh, WE didn’t say it. It’s not our fault”, as the way to handle it. It’s the way those Republican women handled it yesterday – they stood u and said it is unnacceptable for anyone to make these sexist remarks. And I would argue – there is a whole lot the DNC could have done about it – they didn’t even lift a finger to try.
I am a lifelong Democrat completely mortified at the behavior of the democratic party.
#49 Hillmania,
You’re welcome and good luck with your son!
I am in total agreement about the DONC. That’s why I decided after the D convention to vote a straight repub ticket. If you look at the repub admin, there are more women executives than ever, and that is why I think our dear Pelosi has her position…let’s try to keep up at least in appearance. Previously I had written Rep Jim Moran,D-VA, expressing my disdain for the actions of the DNC. His response. “I am sorry you were so disappointed in the Primary process. If you haven’t, or read, Hillary Clinton’s speech, please take the time to do so.” And then he enclosed a copy of the speech. Talk about passing the frigging buck. I will vote straight Republican this year, because I refuse to turn my Country over to these gangsters. Pure and simple.
ADDING TO THE LIST OF SEXIST NAMES BEING HURLED AT SARAH PALIN:
Bill Maher referred to her as a “stewardess”.
I have also heard her referred to as “McCain’s third wife”.
I hope Gov. Palin fastens her seat belt — it’s going to be a bumpy ride!
NYCgirl
the democratic party SEXIST
the GOP party anti-sexist
has the world gone mad??
Texas
I have great examples of Obama flops on Nafta and on Fisa. Any important links?
Carrie – do you have the Berg link ?
I love it!! LOL LOL
Murphy you have been power napping!
Fired up and doing damage!
zephyr posted a good link on the previous thread .
Gerry on Fox defending Palin
“Sarah Palin’s Teleprompter Broke!”
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/04/sarah-palins-teleprompter-broke/
No I need that one too..
Also I dont have the link for the fraud videos either
A sexist remark?
Maureen Dowd, Taylor Marsh and some other women have said pretty crazy stuff. No Quarter seems to be keeping a tally.
How about Vanity Fair?? They called Palin a “fXXX buddy” for McCain. No kidding.
Carrie
http://www.obamacrimes.com/
I am still laughing….the DNC must be defecating BRICKS right now, lol! They look like dinosaurs. They’ve been served up hot and are now ready to be carved up like a Thanksgiving turkey. Way to go, Sarah Palin!
Obama on O’Reilly~~~why didn’t the coward go on the show when he was first invited, ie, before he stole the nomination?
After that most intriguing, humorous, and heartfelt speech Sarah Palin gave last night, im just proud to be
an American woman, no matter what party!!!!!
If they (dems biden, obama and all their cronies) say she
was lying about anything she said about Obama, that is because they have taken his fact sheet and blown it up way out of proportion! Biden should shut up anyway, he is the ultimate washington insider, who the hell does he
think he’s foolin anyway.
On issues like abortion, I dont recall that being brought up by the Bush admin once, for 8 freaking years, why would McCain, afterall they keep thinking they are running again Bush instead of McCain anyway.
We’re coming out of Iraq Gen. Petreaus says even as early as this coming July 09 now. Gas prices are starting to come down somewhat, we still have to get our own supplies either way. Alaska has it. They say
she took pork barrel spending for her state, there is list of things done with that money and all of them were absolutely worthy of our taxpayer monies, but what Alaska does is keep up in the energy game. Hell, I dont know why T Boone Pickens didnt just go to Alaska and spend his money on the natural gas pipe line. Oh well, anyway.
One thing you wont hear out of Obama’s mouth!
He wont be calling Sarah Palin Annie Oakley, she is Annie Oakley!
I think she will get more male votes LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
We all know why without me saying a damn word.
I loved the fact she said she was going to Washington to help the people of the country, and you know what
she will do just that
its a good thing that all these media vampires and ghouls come out to take sarah down..
let them show their hideous faces to one and all.
after seeing what they did to hillary I feel very protective of sarah now
Carrie -
http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm
I applaud the republicans for how they have stood firm against the vicious attacks on Sara Palin which in reality is an attack on Senator McCain. The liberals through attacking Sara is questioning his judgment. The republicans ideology is different from the democrats but who can say which one is the correct ideology; that is why you have cross over because there are democrats that are pro life and there are republicans that are pro choice so between the two parties there are some gray areas. Mrs. Palin knocked the ball out of the field last night by doing exactly what Hillary attempted to do but was knocked backwards in so many ways; that is show America all of Senator O’s faults, his lack of experience, his two faced comments, his and the party’s elistist attitudes. Shame on the DEMS and thier good old boys network that excludes women. As stated last night by Mrs. Palin ” change can be used to further careers or careers can be used for change”. Priceless !
Living Grace~
In reality, this race has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with taking advantage of people for your own gains. I do not belittle the AA community for being proud at the selection of an AA candidate for President. Of course they are proud as I am proud that Palin is a woman. No difference. But Obama, the sleaze gangster, is manipulating this pride to grab the Presidency. He is promising everything that people need right now, especially the AA community that has been left behind. And he is telling them that they are the ONLY one’s left behind, and that the white gun clinging and religious toting citizens are doing just fine and the cause of your problems, by slipping little “mis cues” into the public media. Very masterful, very sleazy, so far, very effective within the AA community. He is doing such a dis service to the AA community that it makes me sick. He can’t deliver, just like Pelosi couldn’t deliver. The AA community has no idea how much it is going to loose, because you don’t manipulate a community that you respect. There is always a high price to pay for any political ‘gift’.
Jon Stewart and Steve Colbert both said she is the naughty Librarian in “the movies”
Gallop tracking poll BO has 7 point lead, 49 to 42. GAG
#4 Hillmania
Tell him you don’t believe in rewarding corruption, sexism, false character attacks, lying about your and your opponents’ positions, voter suppression, voter intimidation, or voter fraud – these are Republican traits.
Tell him you’re not voting for Obama because you only vote Democrat.
#80: sly
Ya, that poll doesn’t include last night. Plus, tonight is McCain…I have a feeling it will change.
I said it yesterday~~~ Don’t bring the troops home yet—-we may be going into Pakistan. Well, apparently we did just that this morning.
All I can say is Thank God, we don’t have that coward Obama as our CIC.
79 virginia.puma~~~ I totally agree with that.
The Republican Party found itself in crisis this election. A year ago, it had been written off as being irrelevant, in total disarray and headed for a crushing landslide loss to the Democrats. This would still be the case had the Democrats not eaten their own in the form of Hillary Clinton, the one candidate the Republicans feared most.
When the Republicans realized what was happening and what a pushover Barack Obama would be, they became energized and quickly regrouped. They crossed over and voted for him and as Murphy so eloquently put it upstairs, they went after voters, pandering or not.
As a result, what most thought impossible just months ago, is now almost a certainty. The Republicans will take back the White House after eight years of one of the most disastrous administrations in American history.
How did we get here?
McPalin will get a bounce from their convention… unlike some other wouldbe candidates.
Hi everyone! I just wanted to check in real quick. I have so much going on cleaning up after the hurricane. I came across this and thought many of you would find it interesting. Have a great day!!
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Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler
The O-man, Barack Hussein Obama, is an eloquently tailored empty suit. No resume, no accomplishments, no experience, no original ideas, no understanding of how the economy works, no understanding of how the world works, nothing but abstract empty rhetoric devoid of real substance.
He has no real identity. He is half-white, which he rejects. The rest of him is mostly Arab, which he hides but is disclosed by his non-African Arabic surname and his Arabic first and middle names as a way to triply proclaim his Arabic parentage to people in Kenya . Only a small part of him is African Black from his Luo grandmother, which he pretends he is exclusively.
What he isn’t, not a genetic drop of, is ‘African-American,’ the descendant of enslaved Africans brought to America chained in slave ships. He hasn’t a single ancestor who was a slave. Instead, his Arab ancestors were slave owners. Slave-trading was the main Arab business in East Africa for centuries until the British ended it.
Let that sink in: Obama is not the descendant of slaves, he is the descendant of slave owners. Thus he makes the perfect Liberal Messiah.
It’s something Hillary doesn’t understand – how some complete neophyte came out of the blue and stole the Dem nomination from her. Obamamania is beyond politics and reason. It is a true religious cult, whose adherents reject Christianity yet still believe in Original Sin, transferring it from the evil of being human to the evil of being white.
Thus Obama has become the white liberals’ Christ, offering absolution from the Sin of Being White. There is no reason or logic behind it, no faults or flaws of his can diminish it, no arguments Hillary could make of any kind can be effective against it. The absurdity of Hypocrisy Clothed In Human Flesh being their Savior is all the more cause for liberals to worship him: Credo quia absurdum, I believe it because it is absurd.
Thank heavens that the voting majority of Americans remain Christian and are in no desperate need of a phony savior.
His candidacy is ridiculous and should not be taken seriously by any thinking American.
re#79
i wouldn’t go so far as to say “this race has nothing to do with race”…
Murphy & Pumas:
Could we send Palin and Guiliani some Orange Roses from PUMApac?
http://www.teleflora.com/roses/orange-rose-bouquets-62441_98283c.asp
Texas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I.M. ing with the birthday boy!!!!!!
We need to take our demand for full disclosure of Obama’s past to the public~~~to the streets.
I’ve lost a few friends~~~but I made them listen first.
Good news! people are getting it about the MSM. From Rasmussen:
Last night’s polling shows that, by a ten-to-one margin, voters believe reporters are trying to hurt Palin’s campaign rather than help. Republicans and unaffiliated voters strongly believe that a double standard is being applied to Palin because she is a woman. Democrats disagree. Perhaps most stunning is that, among unaffiliated voters, just 42% believe Obama has better experience than Palin to be President. Thirty-seven percent (37%) say Palin has the edge on experience. Again, most of the interviews for this survey were completed before Palin’s well-received speech last night.
@ # 68:
Governor Palin’s teleprompter broke and she winged it. The teleprompter never paused between applause…it just kept scrolling, so she had to go by her notes and memory the last half of the speech. WOW!
It happened to Giuliani as well, he had to go by memory.
I say, the person who was running the teleprompter was a MOLE. Someone who was trying to destroy their speeches for Obama camp.
I think Giuliani and Palin did an AMAZING job, especially after I learned that their teleprompters broke.
This happened to Obama in the past and he had to stop everything and have them fix it because he couldn’t go on without it.
pfft.
re-post :
Hey folks , Carrie is making a page we can link to with all of the important FACTUAL info on XO so that we can send out just one link to the media or our friends who still just don’t get it . She is putting the We will not be silenced stuff on there , but if you have a good FACTUAL link that needs to be on there post it and label it like ” Lies’ or Flip Flop” or Caucus Fraud ‘ or Corrupt Cronies” or whatever the link pertains to – Ok ???
#58 — I am trying to comprehend your statement, but cannot do it?
What are you talking about?
Carrie – Tell him I love him , and if he hears any gunshots ,to do what Hillary said ” KEEP RUNNING !!!!” Happy Birthday Solider Boy Puma in Iraq !!!
Murphy – lurkers may not be so kind as to attempt to understand the statement #58 and they may just take it for face value ….
17 Pm on 09.04.08 at 12:38 pm Hillarys positions were moderate, not far left liberal like O’s. Hillarys positions are closer to McCains than O’s.
Far left or Far right- thats no way to govern when 90% of Americans are actually moderate.
Actually, Hillary was to the left of Obama on health care, Iraq, Blackwater et al, the Bush tax cuts, tax increases, and Social Security; Obama was to her left on gun control (no handguns, even for law enforcement or the military), reproductive policy (fetuses which survive late-term abortive procedures and are born as a result (become babies) should be killed, Iran (no military action against them, ever), and the use of nuclear weapons (never, even if there was no other option). But your basic contention is correct: in all these cases her policies were in line with the vast majority of the public at large (and even the vast majority of liberals).
Murphy,
I went back and read #58. Think it should be removed. Not a message we want to send, whatever it means.
Morning Pumas
Love the rant Murphy – it must be a woman thing – we can do it so well…………………………………….
Regarding the ‘big’ interview on oreilly tonite – don’t expect too much – I read that they had to have a frickin’ negotation session with Murdock & other execs for god’s sake – I guess cupcake had to make sure he isn’t going to be asked questions he can’t answer – hope his ass gets ripped during the one and only town hall debate that will have to teleprompters
Have a feeling that Sarah is going to make Biden look like a fool when they have their debate – in a way, Sarah reminds me of Ann Richards – that great Democratic Texas governor – boy, I liked her – remember her comment about Bush “born with a silver foot in his mouth”? Sarah just reminds me of her.
Also, that whole family is really a good looking bunch – even the boyfriend is a good lookin’ kid – love the 7 year old – she’s so 7……………………………….
I don’t particularly care for some of Sarah’s viewpoints on issues but at this point, I can’t stand up and cheer for the Democratic Party either – it’s been so corrupted that the only thing left is to shoot it and put it out of its misery…………………………. I’m still not sure about voting for but I still know who I’m voting against.
Anyway, gotta go now – judge training in about an hour – so gonna grab some lunch – will report back later
#68 kat in your hat
WOW! SHE IS GOOOOOODDDDD!
WOOHOO, I AGRE W/ ANOTHER BLOGGER HERE, NO MATTER WHAT PARTY, I AM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN WOMAN, THANKS TO HILLARY AND NOW PALIN!
THEY INSPIRE ME!
re#58
living grace..i understand your meaning.. what you are saying is that racial identity politics could become even more divisive and destructive if the percentages were higher..
#4 Hillmania
You wont be able to persuade your son by hurling damaging facts or presenting slights by BO, particularly if your son really likes BO.
You will do much better letting him draw his conclusions based on BO tripping up during the debates. I would suggest being there to watch the debates with him. So that you can present the point-counter point during each question.
You will do much better swaying his decision if you make it appear to be his decision swaying on its own.
Don’t make it appear that you are forcing a decision. If you do that he will sprint to BO every time just because he doesn’t agree with what (or how) you are saying it.
Hope that helps.
88 Headclunker on 09.04.08 at 1:29 pm Murphy & Pumas:Could we send Palin and Guiliani some Orange Roses from PUMApac?
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Ugh. Bad enough I’m going to vote for them… not willing to go overboard. Their policies still suck… no matter how much I enjoyed hearing them call oboy out.
Of ocurse, that doesn’t prevent individuals from sending flowers with their own names on the card.
58 and 102
if i wasnt in a rush i would entertain that nonsense…when i look at all the delegates and see over 100 in the gop…plus just saw steele, angela mcgowan, renee amore, lynn swann and juan williams on fox in last 24 hours…it baffles me this idiotic post i just read…anyways…
murphy can u believe this?
#102 october surprise,
That is a valid point, but the comment is structured in a way that makes it ambiguous and open to misinterpretation. I say remove it to be safe.
99 antifish~~~ Why do you make that judgement of me?
102 october surprise~~~ Yes, exactly.
Murphy,
Where do you get these pictures (the donkey)? They are just great. Your post this AM is powerful and energetic. Thanks so much.
I want to be optimistic about the future of the Democratic party, but this is a half of a generational thing. The party has been changing since the Vietnam War era and I’m not sure we’ll ever see the true values of the old DNC ever come back. So the thought of a new Democratic Party is the future.
obamamania is irrational thinking driven by emotions and image..
Murphy – thanks for the links to Shakes on feminism & special thanks for your posts the last few days (& I LOVE! the donkey pic – LOL). I wonder if we don’t need a new wave of consciousness raising. I’m surprised at some of the comments I’ve heard made by well-educated, professional women – including that McCain’s pick of Palin was ‘reverse sexism’.
I agree with others that #58 comment should be removed.
NYCgirl on 09.04.08 at 1:13 pm ADDING TO THE LIST OF SEXIST NAMES BEING HURLED AT SARAH PALIN:
Bill Maher referred to her as a “stewardess”.
I have also heard her referred to as “McCain’s third wife”.
I hope Gov. Palin fastens her seat belt — it’s going to be a bumpy ride!
NYCgirl
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Well HE IS FLAT WRONG!!!
SHE IS THE PILOT! She has her own plane and flies also shoots from that plane.
99 antifish~~~ Let’s not go on ‘witchhunts’ every time someone mentions the word, ‘race’.
There is really only one race and that is the Human Race.
My ‘people’ have understood this since the beginning of time.
One more sexist”?” comment, you decide.
I saw pins at the RNC convention that said “Hoosiers for the Hot Chick!”
Is there a qualifier for if the sexist comment is coming from the right side?
There were also pins that said “I’ll pick the prettiest candidate.” With a picture of Palin.
Do these count?
108 IowaPuma ~~~ Ok. Do you mind telling me just WHY you agree with that?
#53 Living Grace I think I know what you meant…but it can be misinterpreted. The reality is that more than 90% of AA’s are voting for BO because they have legitimate pride. Those of us who feel he would be dangerous and detrimental to our country would have a hard time getting our message through if that minority was much larger. (Did I make it worse?)
where did yall get this 90%…from the media…lol????
#105 LivingGrace,
I’m certainly not making a judgment of you. I agree with your assertion and find it sad that racial identity has become a factor in this election. It’s just that the way the comment was worded, opens it up to being pasted on anti-Puma websites and used to smear this site as racist. It has happened before, believe me.
Puma hug at ya!
104 antifish ~~~ Good Lord!!! Are you now the moral ’sentence structure’ police? It’s not my fault if you misinterpret what I said. Which you did.
To see what’s actually happening to the DNC, take a look at the following website:
http://www.pdamerica.org/
This is BO after he heard Palins speech:
http://www.tournorfolk.co.uk/hovetonhall/donkey.jpg
re#113
what if more than 90% of white people voted for david duke because of “legitimate pride”?????
#112 LivingGrace – Sure. When I read the comment, I found it confusing, but to me it sounded like you were saying we are fortunate that there are only13% AA in the USA. I don’t know why that would make us fortunate & I also am concerned, since the Nobama camp so frequently call us racists, that it could be seen as a racist remark.
Geraldine Ferraro said that she really liked when Todd Palin stood up to be acknowledged during speech.
I get that. Todd will be a stay-at-home father, a Mr. Mom. I think it’s good for America. Sarah says her husband loves being a father as much as she loves being a mother. I admire that.
Also, I think Murphy mentioned this already, but I really love that little Piper as well. She is so adorable, and I love her short pretty hair, and she seems like such a sweet and smart little girl. She was taking care of Trig–wiping his face and studying him like a caring big girl sister, and she knew when to stand up, and she made sure to wave extra on stage…like, I want to help mommy and daddy and I listened, did you see, I did a good job? Just cute.
The whole big family is actually very nice looking, and young. McCain has a big family as well. I really do like that there are so many YOUNG people on both sides.
o good lord…im logging off…see yall later tonite…you got a black man here and nobody even has the gumption to ask him what he thinks….lol
see yall later tonite pumas!
Alaskan Bumper Sticker:
Coldest State: Hottest Governor
I kinda like that one.
#116 Living Grace,
This isn’t about you and your sentence, it’s about protecting this site from smears. Now can we just drop it?
http://www.puffun.com/pictures/donkey.phtml
#102 DancesWithPumas on 09.04.08 at 1:46 pm
88 Headclunker on 09.04.08 at 1:29 pm Murphy & Pumas:Could we send Palin and Guiliani some Orange Roses from PUMApac?
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Ugh. Bad enough I’m going to vote for them… not willing to go overboard. Their policies still suck… no matter how much I enjoyed hearing them call oboy out.
Of ocurse, that doesn’t prevent individuals from sending flowers with their own names on the card.
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I agree with you there Dances.
The only thing I will agree to send are Depends to the DONC, Howie, Nancy, Richard and Donna.
re#121
i really like the youthful aspect of the nominees last night.. the young people,the kids the babies..it was so nice and refreshing..
i think refreshing is the best word..
Aunt…..Texas…
Thank you! I dont run from people that shoot and run! Tell everyone I love them..
Your nephew
PS I made PFC
Ario Are you still here? Yes, the Media. Do you think that isn’t the case?
Ario,
Sorry, I was distracted. Don’t leave. You asked about the 90%? I’m not sure where that number is coming from. What are your thoughts? I’d love to hear them.
LivingGrace antifish:
I think that the debate over #58 will be what causes the controversy maybe we should tone it down or leave it alone completely.
#119 october surprise
That comment isn’t helping matters. Anytime Caucasians throw out the “why is white pride bad but black pride is good” defense we enter into touchy tricky territory.
Just an observation and a call for calm.
#116 LivingGrace on 09.04.08 at 1:52 pm
104 antifish ~~~ Good Lord!!! Are you now the moral ’sentence structure’ police? It’s not my fault if you misinterpret what I said. Which you did.
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Don’t swipe at Antifish!
If you didn’t make yourself clear, try explaining. Your comment made many scratch their heads.
PROWLLAND & PUMAS,
DID YOU READ THIS?
HE REALLY IS THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, & WHY
ARE DNC, PELOSI, DEAN PUSHING THIS WHITE AMERICA
HATER ON US?
PLEASE SPREAD IT AROUND TO EVERY NEWSPAPER YOU CAN & CALL YOUR SENATORS & REPS & COMPLAIN 0 HE’S DANGEROUS NEXT TO THE NUKE BUTTON !
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http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/obama_sutton_saudi/2008/09/03/127490.html
By: Kenneth R. Timmerman, Newsmax ,Wed Sept 3, 2008 5:58 PM
New evidence has emerged that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was closely associated as early as age 25 to a key adviser to a Saudi billionaire, Khalid al Mansour who had mentored the founding members of the Black Panthers. – snip-
Sutton gives no clues as to why al-Mansour would be raising money to help Obama go to law school. Obama has said during his campaign that he paid his way through Harvard with student loans. -snip=
For Jesse Lee Peterson, founder of the Los Angeles-based Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny (BOND), these latest revelations about Obama’s ties to Saudi financiers were an important wake-up call.
“To me, this opened up more questions about Barack Obama and his relationship to the Muslim world,” Peterson told Newsmax.
120 IowaPuma
#112 LivingGrace
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I read the statement as meaning, if this election is based along racial lines, with 90% of Blacks voting for Obama, we’re lucky they represent a small percentage of the voting population, otherwise there would be a greater likelihood of obama winning.
ok, did anyone notice the RNC had a FULL ROLL CALL? Something that we DEMS begged to have but couldn’t get no matter what we did? Something as simple as a roll call……we fought like demons but no. How many times do we need crap rubbed in our faces to know our vote does not count in the Democratic Party?
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Palin and Guiliani made moose meat out of BO and I got a cry baby email from his campaign, calling them liars and wanting money.
Sarah and Rudy said everything that Clinton told them but was not “allowed” to say under the guise of “Party Unity” by the DemocRATS. How can grown people believe that saying a thing is true will make it so or not? I always look sideways at people who tell me perception is either everything or nothing. America needs a hero. If the DemocRATS will not support theirs, then we need the Republicans. Country first. McCain/Palin are, however, emerging from the party that brought us Bush/Cheney. I hope McCain is that hero that we could not see through the smoke and mirrors and maybe Palin is his way of telling us.
We must not let BO take the Presidential election the way he took the Primary. Let’s get on those blogs and to those polls!
Hear my voice. Count my vote.
Good Afternoon Everyone!
I just wanted to check in to see what is going on. I have to say that the blog last night was absolutely hilarious. My whole family was laughing their asses off!! We were in total agreement of everything said.
I wish that we had Hillary, but the DNC screwed themselves over by dissing her and the 18 million that voted along with her. After that joke of a convention, the democrats that are running for office in WV will have to earn my vote. As of now, I will, for the first time in my life, will be voting all Republican except for my Secretary of State and the State Supreme Court Judges. They are huge Hillary supporters. Gov. Manchin, Sen. Rockefeller, and Rep. Rahall have seen their last votes from my family!!
I have to say that even though we don’t have Hillary this time, I’m pleased to have a person like Sarah Palin as our VP for the next four years! We feel that she will be an advocate for people like my autistic twin brother! When she actually said it, I really felt that she meant every word that she said. I guess that I’ll go for now. Be bak later to catch up!
Melissa
WV PUMA PAC Democrat
Per Ladyhawkkes request: According to past posts 15 states have been represented:
on 09.04.08 at 7:20 am REPOST THRU FRIDAYI’m posting this again as I believe we have until the end of the week to try and get Obama knocked off the ballot in all 50 states.. Send by fax so they are aware of what’s coming and then take to P.O. and have letters certified with a return receipt. I’ve already done Florida and so have several others. Someone is keeping a list of states but we are trying to get all 50 states represented. Feel free to use points in my letter but don’t copy it verbatim as I’ve already sent to Mukasey & Friedrich. I don’t think it has any punch if we all send the same letter. I also sent a letter to my Governor, that is up to you if you wish to do so. for those of you who have been getting responses from your SOS or anyone asking for proof, please be sure to write back to them reminding them that they have the power of subpoena and investigation.
Attorney General, Michael B. Mukasey YOUR STATE’S SOS
U.S. Dept. of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Ave., NW YOUR STATE’S AG
Washington, DC 20530-0001
Fax: (202) 307-6777
U.S. Dept. of Justice
Criminal Division
Attn: Matthew W. Friedrich, Acting Asst. AG
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20430-0001
Fax: (202) 514-9412
Subject: Objections to Senator Obama being placed on ballot in Florida as Democratic Presidential nominee
Gentlemen:
I am a registered (YOUR STATE) (Dem-REPUB-IND) and a long time voter. According to the Constitution of the United States, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States
I respectfully request that the laws of the U.S. Constitution be enforced. Furthermore, please demand that the Democratic Presidential Nominee Senator Barrack Hussein Obama be required to provide (1) a certified copy of the vault Certificate of Birth; (2) a certified copy of the Oath of Allegiance he would have had to take between the ages of 18-21 to regain his U.S. citizenship after leaving Indonesia; and (3) verify that he registered in the selective service (he would have had to do this within six (6) months of turning eighteen (18).
Before Senator Obama is named on a (YOUR STATE) state ballot for the office of President, the foregoing documents must be produced. Unless Sen. Obama produces evidence to the contrary, I believe he:
• Is not a natural-born citizen; and/or
• Lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia; and/or
• Has dual loyalties because of his citizenship with Kenya and Indonesia.
Numerous questions raised about Obama’s background have no satisfactory answers:
• Where was Obama born? Hawaii; an island off of Hawaii; Kenya; Canada?
• School records list Obama as a citizen of Indonesia. Was he a citizen of Kenya, Indonesia and/or Canada?
• Explanation of the names he has used: Barack Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham, & Barry Dunham.
• Illinois Bar Application – Obama fails to acknowledge use of names other than Barack Hussein Obama,
As Attorney Generals of the U.S. and (YOUR STATE), Secretary of State of (YOUR STATE), and(USE IF YOU SEND TO YOUR GOVERNOR) Governor of (your state) , I request that you investigate the possible forgery of a Hawaii Certification of Live Birth and require Sen. Obama to answer whether he was ever a citizen of Indonesia and further require him to submit all documentation that led up to him being a U.S. citizen. Senator Obama has refused and/or failed to provide proof of his birth as a natural born U.S. citizen. A falsified birth certificate has circulated the Internet and has been proven by experts to be a forgery. Additionally, a lawsuit has been filed against Sen. Obama, Berg v. Obama, Civil Action No. 08-cv-4083 regarding his qualifications to become President of the U.S.
As a natural citizen of the U.S. and a dedicated American patriot, I am adamant for the security of our nation that we choose our elected officials as required in our federal and state constitutions and laws.
Please require that Senator Obama provide absolute proof that he is a natural born citizen of the U.S. before his name is placed on the (YOUR STATE) state ballot for President of the United States. Thank you.
#694
re#131
yeah stealing ..calm down
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Hey Pumas on the prowl! I know I don’t post frequently enough but have been here for months completing prowls and growling to friends/ relatives about the election trying hard to not let it affect personal relationships ( which is really hard to do this year) sigh– I was blown away by Palin’s speech in terms of political communication and as a woman, a wife, a mother and as an American. I may still have trouble w/ some of her policies, but I cannot help admire this leader especially after the personal lashing she received from the msm and the leftist blogosphere among others. She didn’t seem thrown at all by any of the personal attacks, and her family set the right note as well last night. Her speech was “pitch-perfect” w/ the right tone and punch. I cried several times especially during scenes with Trig and Piper- -That’s why I was saddened and shocked to read this on a liberal blog from a commenter today about the same moments I found so touching and compelling. I wonder how anyone could be so heartless ( this commenter claimed to be a grassroots dem). I realize today that what I loved about the Dem party has left the building sigh– I thought the dem party was for the every man for the little people– for all people! I do feel as though we can rise again under Hillary in 2012! I know you will find this blogger’s comment very distasteful as well on so many levels. But having said that , definitely the obots are tripping over themselves w/ defensive and hateful comments most completely unjustified. I find it interesting that they’re upset about the blip of media attention the McCain camp is receiving this past week. I mean did they not notice the love affair the media was having w/ the Obama camp for over a year?–sigh- It’s pretty laughable to see them spouting that the media isn’t being fair now about Palin’s speech. What does the ONC expect when you drive half your party away acting like several states (including my home state the bluegrass land of KY)and types of people don’t even exist ( that is except when you’re exploiting them for your political gain). As another puma put it sooo well, I cannot believe my once great party is making the republican party look compassionate and like the good guys. But they surely are!– I want to say I rarely see a hateful or belittling comment here and thank Murphy for allowing this forum and for all of her hard work!. I felt better this morning than I had in a few weeks about the election. Now here is the disgusting comment sigh
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“The most interesting thing about her last night was watching her family of D’oh’s try to all American themselves and not behave like backwater hicks who were told to stand up straight and not let the young’ins drool, booger up, or chew their way through the sky box seats. Even though that one spit-slickin her brother’s hair came close.”
And obots wonder why we call them “elitists”– do they not remember that people made fun of the clintons for being outsiders and so called hicks etc w/ accents etc ?– It’s just all so crazy and upside down world- sorry my comment is so long and probably random
No bids because who wants to buy faulty merchandise?
#133 Kelligesq
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2069410/posts
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/8268/index.html
I checked out Taylor Marsh. Seemed like all the comments were pro-Sarah, anti-TM. What’s goin’ on?
Read below: More history on the forces within the DNC.
The DLC became the force in the DNC during the 80s and 90s, but if you read closely, they haven’t said much since the primary. Guess what, Hillary Clinton was on the board. The PDA (Progress Democratic Agenda) that I listed above has taken over and as a result we have the Obama Movement. Read the DLC’s take on the Obama campaign. Interesting what he will have to face if elected in the Washington D.C. establishment.
Democratic Leadship Council
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=85&subid=65&contentid=254720
133 Kelligesq
Why has the media ignored this ?
Dances
Excellent restatement of #58. Had that been posted up there in the #60’s or so, half of this could have been avoided.
I have no room to talk though I followed a similar argument down the rabbit hole for a while a week ago.
Would someone mind answering my pins sexist statement question? I think in those cases slants are in the eye of the person taking offense.
ebay item #000
an obama bobbing head that sings”chain of fools”
Missed the Geraldine Ferraro on Fox… if anyone can find a link, please share. I hope she thinks of us as 300,000 strong when she gets our flowers today.
Oh, I just remembered last night that I sent her one of my posters when we had that snail mail prowl to her. Could not resist.
124 antifish~~~ Nice cop-out!! Thank you, and Billi-jo and firechief for helping me decide~~~
I first joined PUMA a day or two after it began~~under my native American name, MountainSong. As a native, I am extremely offended when people dare to accuse me of racism. I am sick of being judged here by those ‘holier-than-thou’s.
Since PUMA first began, I have participated through prowls and donation. I have participated in the current prowl to the SOS’s, A’s G, and the DOJ. And a week before Denver, when Murphy asked for more donations to make the trip to Denver, I was down to my last $20.00 to last the rest of the month, but I still GAVE half.
But in light of the extremely predjudiced and inflamatory comments and commentary today, I have decided to throw all my support and donations to the Republican party, although I don’t necessarily agree with everything they say, either, but moreso than what PUMA has become in just 1 short week.
To the friends I have made here, I’m glad we met and we will remain friends.
To the rest of you, I wish you success in your endeavors, but would suggest you drop the back-biting. It’s not very becoming to the intent of PUMA’s.
I have no doubt that by noon today, I will not be missed here at all.
UNDER THE CATEGORY OF TELEVISION MEMORABILIA
#142 KYkitten
Thank you for doing the growls with us and finally being apart of the blog.
Welcome.
#122 Ario
Please jump in, we need your prospective.
ebay item #001,#002
a michelle bobbing head with scowling face that says..
“america is a downright mean country”
a rev wright bobbing head that screeches..”chickens come home to roooooooooost”
@152 bmw– ROFL good category! You know there are obots “educated beyond their intelligence” as my dh would say that are buying!– Please share your bidder questions and your answers
#151 LivingGrace
No one is questioning if you belong here or not, just asked you not to swipe at Antifish and explain what you said in your post. I am one of the PUMAs that didn’t understand what you were trying to say.
43 ladyhawkke
I saw your message on the previous thread, I’ll repost it tomorrow as I did a few days ago.
I applaud you!
Sarah Palin is a smart, classy, attractive, and tough woman.
The attacks on her will backfire big time. America will love her.
That is the REAL America, not the big city liberal elites.
Texas
Boo says tell the girls he loves and misses them and that he will try and call you all when he gets some more minutes.
#151 Living Grace,
You obviously see things that aren’t there. I assure you, that wasn’t a cop-out, but an attempt to end a no-win debate. I’m not the only one who wasn’t sure what you were saying, but if you want to use me as an excuse to leave, be my guest. Seems to me you have other issues with this site that you aren’t disclosing. Good luck to you (and I mean that).
LivingGrace
We haven’t always agreed but I love your posts and insights.
I would greatly miss you and hope that you reconsider leaving.
What Nation are you from? My Grandmother was 1/2 Chippewa and taught me about what she remembers from her mom.
I hate the back-biting also but would encourage you to continue with the nothing on top call and still vote for the Dem candidates (if you like them).
Don’t vote on spite. I did it in 2000 and look where we are now.
My best,
:>
towards the end of October, if he makes it that far, I can hear the self-appointed illustrious leader Napoleon wanna-be calling our Hillary and saying in a feeble voice:
uuhh, uuhh, Hillary, uuhh, uuhh, can you help me here, please, uuhh, uuhh, pleeaase help me……..
and ole’Jo saying… where’s my scotch, I need another bottle of gin, how’bout my tequila…..
Do I hear a “Good riddance”? antifish swiped at ME! All the self-righteousness here is reminding me of BO. I loved it here when we had some purpose other than whatever it’s become now. Does anyone other than ladyhawkke have any idea what that is?
living grace…come on don’t leave us..
your problem is that you shoot straight from the hip..
sometimes the sanctimonious white guilt types don’t like that talk because they are so terrified of being called racists.millions of white obama supporters are like that..
PROWLLAND
It;s posted in Newsmax on Drudge, but Drudge is not
featuring it…I have emailed Fox , Hannity, OReily, Plush Limbo, NYT, Lou Dobbs,,,,
VEry important in Florida to get it out to the Jewish voters who think they have no other choice than to vote dem….and Obama
Geez – it is stunning.
If you have time email it…I called up Senator Nelson of Florida and left message they must dump him and pointed them to Newsmax on Drudge -
Going to call Wexler now…how did they think they were going to hide this.
BTW, now Obama is suing somebody in Chicago to keep them from telling more about Ayers,.
Ha ha – is he going to sue everyone who finds out.
Going to email Chicago Tribune now.
OK, I’m outta here, this is pure BS! When your show is over, Living Grace, I’ll be back.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Very wise words indeed.
And John McCain and Sarah Palin make it so much easier.
Okay PUMAS – I see we are being our own worst enemies again – why is it that women pick and pick and pick until they see blood? I’ve been on this site from the beginning and I find I’m getting sick of this shit – you’re a woman or you’re not – if we don’t support each other as a majority of this population – white, black, brown, red, green, yellow or pink – whatever – don’t care what color – we will continue to be raped, beaten, disrespected, buried alive, you name it – I hate racisim (even tho it is rampant & widespread by blacks as well as other races), sexism, ageism, you name it – some people like to pick and pick and pick until they get an argument going – stop it – what satisfaction do you get from that other than the fact that you did it?
Think about it and decide what is more important to you – getting your picky little point across or going for the big picture – yeah, yeah, I get it – I’m talking to myself – (guys ignore this rant – you have your own issues to deal with)
gone for now
Sarah Palin’s speech. Polls:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/poll/2008/sep/03/uselections2008.sarahpalin?gusrc=rss&feed=worldnews
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/04/rnc.reportcard.palin/index.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/polls/27849139.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26536487/
http://forums.mercurynews.com/poll/how-effective-was-gov-sarah-palins-speech
http://news.aol.com/elections/conventions/republicans/article/palin-electrifies-republican-convention/158107
VOTE FOR PRESIDENT HERE:
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/09/02/aol-straw-poll-sept-1-8/
antifish
please, we love you and support you here, I for one always look carefully at your posts and hang on to all your words!
I liked that Palin is an outsider and does not pretend to be something she is not. At least she presented that notion pretty well. She is a clean slate and could be who she damn well is. So there !
Of course the Dems are again calling her “shrill” as they did Hillary. They need to get some new scripts. Everything about them is sounding very very stale, with mold on top.
Hey, we’re all for one and one for all here, and ALL for Hillary!
Hillary in ‘08
if not Hillary in ‘12 for sure.
While i really did like her speech, I am still very concerned about voting for her. She is so pro-life and that is a problem for me. In a debate for the governership of Alaska she said that she would “choose life” even if her daughter was raped and became pregnant. That is a dangerous thing for her to have the power to shape in the coming years with people leaving the supreme court. Just because she is a woman, does that mean that she is going to fight for women’s rights? I will reserve judgment and make sure of that before any vote is cast by me. Just food for thought. I know we don’t want OB but we should not cut off our nose to spite our face so to speak if we elect someone that does not stand for our values. I would rather not vote at all then help elect someone that does not value the things that I value.
its interesting how this race lately has been framed as a palin vs obama contest
could it be that obama is jealous of palin because he really wants to be VP?
LivingGrace – Please don’t leave. We all need to stay united. I would miss you. I think you live in the NW and I do too. I love hearing from people up this way. You add a lot to this blog. People are very passionate here. Sometimes passions run amok. When blogging can be difficult to express ourselves in the most appropriate manner.
Please people – as Murphy always says: Be wonderful to each other.
Living Grace,
Hang tough mountainsong. I wondered why we didn’t hear from you anymore. You have shared a different view from your cultural background. That’s important. Being in the northwest and having worked with native American peoples such as the Chief of the Shoshone and Lemi, I have a healthy respect for your cultural. I never realized until a few years ago how different the native American culture from tribe to tribe is until I sat with the Chief in Fort Hall one hot afternoon in July. His niece is a direct descendant of Sacajawea. I was mediating a discussion between our city, a sculpturist, and the Chief about a statue of Sacajawea that was to have been placed in our city (it happened but not the sculpture that we had hoped).
Murphy: Please contact Living Grace (mountainsong) personally off the blog. Have a direct conversation with her. It think this whole concern with her blogs will be dispelled.
163 StealingHistoryFromHillary~~~I am 1/4Scottish/German and 3/8 Chippewa, 3/8 Lakota.
I personally feel that Nothing on Top is ridiculous and would be handing a vote over to Obama just as much as no vote, or a vote for a third party.
I don’t have very much money since I’m disabled and will be 65 in November. But I’m not giving another dime or anymore time, other than to follow thru with ladyhawkkes venture, to this disorganized mess.
I learned this morning that Sarah Palin has a degree in communications and has worked in TV news. Maybe some of the ‘pundits’ would have fared better had they had some of her training?
I think the whole country is undergoing great change. This is just a part of it. People we never heard of before (like us) will start to stand up and be counted. This is a good thing, though confusing.
#169 Bruce,
Hold your friends close and your enemies closer….
gee, I write stuff on this blog and no one even reads it. I wished someone was begging me not to leave.
#151 LivingGrace I totally understood what you meant, I do not like to get into these disagreements but I think you were kinda of attacked for no reason. Murphy asked you to explain before you had a chance several people chimed in about what was wrong with your comment and it should have been deleted well Murphy did delete it. Everyone if Murphy and only Murphy thought it was SO BAD she would have had livinggrace email her immediately, she didn’t. Everyone except for October Surprise just attacked and you all should have let Murphy handle it like it was asked but nope got to fight. I’m out of here for awhile I can’t stand this fighting and attacking be back after while.
George W. Bush, remember, George W. Bush did not, or better yet, does not have the power to overturn Roe vs. Wade. George W. Bush.
The Supreme Court does not have this power either.
If someone did they would have done it during these past 8 years.
Remember George W. Bush’s campaign speeches?
I used to hear them and shudder.
He’s committed attrocities and crimes etc. etc., but this he could not do.
Don’t leave Noblecascade
Most of us are either working while we check the blogs off and on or doing other things at the same time. Drama gets attention when it shouldn’t. Not getting replies to your posts doesn’t mean you are not being read…
PUMA has a part to play in all of this change taking place, though we will have to adapt to the needs of the moment. With Palin’s nomination, McCain changed the dynamic of the election. We still have to absorb what that means, both as an organization, and as a nation.
Hillary was our focus, now we have to expand and go on to what she wanted to accomplish and what we want to accomplish. In the end, what we want is a good government that works for all of us. How to get that is the sticky point.
Let us not lose sight of the things that matter. I think we should ‘court’ Geraldine Ferraro as much as possible. She is wise, and we all love her. I think she is one who can help us a lot.
181 Noblecascade
you’re kidding right?
Thanks billie-jo–
thanks, BillieJoe….I feel better already!
#174 – vargasforhillary – It is difficult for me as well. I have been debating with my mother recently because she was pro Hillary and is now starting to drink the DNC kool-aid. Anyway, I had to remind her that there are MANY women’s issues. For me abortion rights is ONLY ONE womens issue that was fought and won by her generation. The Repubs make noise about overturning it, but after 35 years (23 under repub rule), it has yet to be done. There are many CURRENT WOMEN’S ISSUES that we need to focus on such as sexual bias, equal pay in the workplace, etc.
I have to admit I also don’t agree with her on the gun issue, but I also don’t agree with Obama on the FISA issue. I think we have to keep in mind that there isn’t a candidate out there that we will agree with 100%. I watched a video of a BBC interview with Carly Fiorina on Palin. She said that voters have to remember that VP’s don’t usually have that much influence in the presidency, so it is really McCain, and his policies we have to look at.
Noblecastle, I read as much as I can, don’t reply much, as I work two jobs and do this as a passion in between.
Yes, Bruce I was kidding….life…and politics should not be this serious.
#188 Noblecascade
It’s just the way blogging goes…
you know the sick and twisted thing about racism that I have seen many times is when white people go out of their way to defer and even cater to blacks in order to avoid being branded as racists and avoiding debate and confrontation.. yet at other times they somehow feel completely free to be nasty disrespectful racists to native americans,asians and hispanics… to them they are free game and no consequences are to be feared from messing with them..SICK….
LivingGrace
No worries everyone needs to reach their decision on their own. You have me beat on the Chippewa ratio, but it is refreshing to hear that there are more out there. I haven’t met anyone out west that claims Chippewa mostly Ute, Navajo, Pueblo etc.
Do what you feel is right but do it for the right reasons.
SergioRostov: Good points, thanks!
StealingHistoryFromHillary: You and I think alike. I’m letting him have his say and just making a few of my own points here and there so he can come to his own conclusion. I can’t wait for those debates though. It will be interesting to say the least.
This is what I read on CNN.com from someone they interviewed on Palin’s speech. It shows you why some women are still living under a rock.
“…While Kuntal Warwick of Pennsylvania agreed that Palin was an impressive speaker, she found the Alaska governor’s tone offensive. “Yes, she was tough, yes, she spoke well and yes, she sold herself,” Warwick said. “However Sarah Palin will not get my vote in November for some of the same reasons that I was reluctant to vote for [Sen. Hillary Clinton] during the primaries. She came across as angry and overconfident.”
You know, Kuntal Kinte, that is exactly why we like Palin. She is angry at all the injustices of the DNC and at the slights women had to endure and overconfident because she is. When women speak out , they are deemed angry. When they stand up to the good old boys they are overconfident. Can women do anything right to be taken seriously as VP? Perhaps all women VP contender should talk about baking apple pie and how to change diapers.
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She said that voters have to remember that VP’s don’t usually have that much influence in the presidency, so it is really McCain, and his policies we have to look at.
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someone should have TOLD darth vader that! Cheney has left a powerful VP slot.
livinggrace:
I am 1/16th Cherokee, the rest Jewish and Irish/Scott. I have many Native American Characteristics, though I have blazing red hair.
Sometimes I feel like I should be a Cherokee woman living in a lodge, caring for her family, like my great great great grand parents were. My father looks much like his Native American ancestors, and has their conservation attitude. When I visit my home in KY, I always imagine what it was like 500 years ago when only our ancestors lived there. It makes me sad to see what has happened to that paridise since then.
Have you guys seen this? Howard Wolfson’s rave reviews of Palin speech:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Wolfsons_rave.html?showall
#177 halligan~~ Thank you. I just refuse to sit by and be insulted, interrogated, judged and called ‘racist’. Who gets to delete Murphy’s words that are offensive?
This blog has gone downhill faster than George Bush invaded Iraq.
Hi all,
I heard that Carville went on Larry King to attack Palin and then I read an essay written by Gloria Steinem also attacking Palin. I think the Clinton wing of the Dem Party also seems to be running scared. Not only are the Dems going to lose in ‘08, but tragically it seems that Palin might also make a run for the presidency against HC in 2012. I watched BBC News after the Palin speech and they couldn’t stop praising Palin and the female commentator said she thought Palin was presidential material.
The Dems really screwed themselves (sorry for the salty language). My comment to Hillary Clinton is this, “Dear Hillary, You should not have negotiated with the Obama wing of the DNC and should have put up more of a fight at the convention. The roll call vote should not have been stopped. I will support you in 2012, but Palin is going to put up a heck of a fight.”
I almost feel sorry for the Democrats…almost.
Best,
Lara08
#119OctoberSurprise: You have drawn an excellent relevant analogy here. When David Duke was running in this state for the Senate, and Edwin Edwards was running against him, we had bumper stickers that said”Vote for the Crook, it’s important” Voting on the basis of race should not get a “pass” no matter the race. We who understand that defeated David Duke.
Yeah the DNC really blew it; we had the choice with Hillary. The republicans effectively got everything they wanted when Karl Roves teamed up with the (not too bright) Donna Brazille and convinced the Democratic Party to select the much weaker of the two nominees.
Then the silly DNC try to say she has no experience. Duh… she’s a Governor and Obama was a failed community leader, pitiful lawyer and do nothing Senator. That pretty much puts everything in perspective for me.
135 Noblecascade
Absolutely. They had a roll call, something we begged for, were entitled to, etc. etc.
And then they did, and they smashed it in Hillary face and all her supporters and voters’ faces.
For shame.
Living Grace,
Please e-mail Murphy and have a discussion with her privately. Words can be misunderstood, but when a person puts a face to those words and a culture with them, it makes all the difference in the world.
199 Henerietta ~~~ Thank you for that. I feel the same, although I was cursed with white skin, blue eyes and light brown hair.
Miss Congeniality isn’t afraid to administer an old-fashioned beat-down. Annie Oakley brought a gun to a knife fight and made like the Obama-Biden ticket was a moose lazily meandering into her gun sights.
#195 Hillmania
I wish you would be with me during the debates.
I still don’t know how I’m going to vote for Pres.
I need to make my decision, like I always do, by watching all of the debates and then reading all of the watchdog postings after.
At the risk of sounding “troll-ey” (of which I have been accused of but am just undecided and confused):
I have gone through so many phases of; for Hillary only; for repubs out of anger; horrified at having to vote for BO; then horrified about voting repub and missing out on a Dem in the oval office (almost to a point of shear anger); and now I am at a different point.
I now think that had McCains VP been someone we knew it would have made my decision easier. Now I think that I will do my debate strategy and choose whoever is going to screw it up the least.
I don’t want to vote for McCain but am currently leaning to him or Ron Paul.
For me to drink the BO kool-aid will need to be spiked with A LOT of VODKA!!
181 Noblecascade
Oh god, please don’t go there.
No all posts are responded to…
Everyone doesn’t greet others as they arrive… otherwise the blog woul dbe clogged with his and goodbyes.
Most everyone reads all of the comments. No one should take personally a comment that goes without replies, either people don’t have a reply, want to think about the subject, aren’t interested in the comment, have to be selective about the comments they posts, don’t have the answer to a question, or …whatever.
Truthfully, the only comments I skip over are teh ones in all bold text, all CAPS, or the people demanding responses, or posts that are continuously posted day after day… but, that’s just me.
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I gave a great deal of my time and HALF of my money. I don’t owe anyone an apology. Let Murphy come to me. Don’t call me Living Grace anymore. My name is MountainSong and I am out of here.
Good points, DancesWithPumas…the ones a don’t read are the big long ones…my attention span is too short, if it is over about 5 or 6 lines I don’t want to get that deep.
Dances,
Had any wine lately? How yah doing?
#209 StealingHistoryFrom Hillary: That would be fun to watch the debates with someone that feels like I do. I have to watch with BO supporters. Ugh!
I haven’t made up my mind either other than I can’t vote for BO. I’m just going to keep listening and then make the most informed decision I can.
Reading posts:
I try to read by discussion point. If something pops up that holds my attention, I go back and follow that thread of information through. I always look for m,m, and m replies as well.
Noblecascade:
Don’t leave!
m – Maryland
m – Murphy
m – mama
#215 Hillmania
Good call I’ve had to watch all debates with the reddest of folks.
Maybe that is why I have been so opposed to actually voting for McC. They turned me away from the repubs by only throwing out Limbaugh and O’Reilly quote, which is why I asked you to guide them with info not rhetoric.
MountainSong
A beautiful name. Good bye for now.
Did anyone watch the former Dem Hillary supporters on Larry King last night? There were three women looking like they’d been taken over by the body snatchers attacking Pailin and praising BO. The same ones that were standing up for Hillary and against BO in the primary.
It was hard to watch.
#196 freddiebrown Angry and overconfident? Gee, those are terms widely used for bo. (and correctly so, I might add). So far, I see only professionalism in Ms. Palin.
Biden said today, “I’m not good at one-line zingers. That’s not my deal.”
Biden isn’t good at one-line anything!
Hi folks.
Given the idea that “Republicans are wrong on the issues” I’d like to offer a counterpoint.
The Republican base has been disgusted by the Washington crowd’s embrace of things like corporate welfare. That’s while they stayed home in droves and helped let the Democrats elect the current congress. (Check the turnout statistics for the 2006 election and you’ll see Republican turnout was significantly below normal).
The Republican attitude toward welfare is “If we’re going to spend the damn money then let’s make it work!”. With the comprehensive, soup-to-nuts approach used now, rather than handing out money, funds are available for job skills, life skills, etc. Several years ago I heard an interview on NPR of a single mom with a teenaged son who had been on welfare (as had her mother and grandmother) who, with the help of the new approach to welfare, had been trained and then hired as a prison guard. She obviously felt great about herself and her accomplishments, and it was very moving to hear her son say how proud he was of her and how sharp she looked in her uniform.
Folks, this is not your father’s Republican party. Please take a good look at us now. And, wrt Cindy McCain’s comments about her disagreement with Sahar Palin: We actually allow people to have and express differing opinions!
207 LivingGrace
Light skin, blue eyes and light brown hair is a curse? I’m sorry, that describes me, I consider myself to be a good and fair human being, and I know many good and fair human beings of all colors of skin, eyes and hair.
I know you didn’t mean that the way it sounded.
StealingHistoryFromHillary: I hear you! You have my condolences.
What the hell is going on in this blog? Do you know how much it disturbs me to see the infighting!
I suggest ALL revisit exactly who we’re fighting. HINT: It’s not each other.
There will be some degree of disagreement on here due to the dramatic changes in the political landscape. HOWEVER, we are ALL still NOBAMA.
November 4th is 6 weeks away. Although it was sad that HRC was not in a position to “accept” our help, look at what we accomplished on this blog and in Denver.
THINK about what we STILL MUST DO to expose the ONC for what it really is – a corrupt party that panders to the big money and leaves us middle-class folks behind.
It is NOT Obama’s election. It is NOT McCain’s election. It’s ours, and it’s time WE take it back.
226 bruce55555~~ It’s too bad others didn’t realize I didn’t mean something the way it sounded. I just can’t deal with the self-righteous judgementalism and now I’ve made a judgement of my own that makes my heart ache.
I truly thank those of you who have expressed empathy and love to me.
I just don’t feel like i really belong here anymore.
Thanks for allowing me to join and to comment. Really loved the “I sold it on Ebay” post, and just wanted to say so. Great site – input, info, etc.
BTW…”wan” suits Nancy just fine!
YES, BY ALL MEANS MURPHY!
LET’S OFFER THE DNC “FOR SALE” ON E-BAY to the highest bidder! (maybe to a Third World Country devoid of their very own despots)
Can you create a family portrait of the DNC, incl Brazile and offer it on E-Bay as a “Fundraising Tool”? (collector’s item)
meanwhile back at Ranchero Obama, Axelrod and the “meanies” are conspiring against our girl Sarah Palin.
http://pumasunleashed.wordpress.com/
Holy crap!!
I just realized something.
I DON’T KNOW IF I’M A PUMA ANYMORE!!
Quick someone talk some sense into me.
I just admitted to using the debates as my deciding factor. I no longer can say that I WON’T vote for Obama.
I just realized that I can’t vote for the Republicans.
Maybe this has all just been a healing process that I needed to go through.
I guess that I could still vote 3rd party but . . . I’ll be honest another Republican term scares the beejeenkies out of me.
Talk me down because I am at a crucial point.
Help!!
Only get to drop in for a minute, but I just want to thank Murphy for the Pic and opening comments. PERFECT!
100% agreement
LivingGrace and Hillmania:
Thank you I think that these discussions helped me realize that I just can’t blindly vote republican.
I don’t know what to do but all options, I think, are on the table.
#231 StealingHistoryFromHillary
Letting BO win scares WORSE than beejeenkies out of me!
As someone said earlier, think of it as taking medicine. It doesn’t taste good but the outcome is worth it!
# 231 StealingHistoryFromHillary
Voting for Obama is the gravest mistake anyone can make. If you’re even thinking of going there – you must have kool-aide poisoning. Please seek medical help immediately.
Ok,It was a great speech,I for one felt great being a woman(first time in months).
We are all different and being mostly women were not afraid to state an opinion,even if every one does not agree with it. In the last couple of months I personally got information overload about all both parties,equally good and equally bad.
For me personally, if your going to make a comment about race, sexism or party,just make sure you say it in away that no one on this sight has to feel attacked.
It really is time to get down to the business of making sure the people responsible for the democratic mess were in, get what is coming to them(booted out of office).
I think a great idea to keep focus would be to mass email to all those involved in this charade, that they get the message that were not voting to keep them in office. Dean,Pelosi,brazille,Obama,…….are not getting our support, nor any one else in the dnc who threw us out like we were garbage.
I for one am tired of being a pawn because I am a woman,a mother,a career person,an AA,whatever I am. Both parties try to keep me posted on issues that only devide us as a nation.I want equality for all…..
This sight was started with Hillary in mind,but through it we saw the political scene in action,bringing us to the point of saying Nobama,noway.
I will do every thing I can to keep him out of the oval office,but I don’t have time to fight over my personal beliefs. November 4th is coming quickly.
I personally love all the diverse people and opinions on this sight,but inblog fighting is a waste of my time.
StealingHistoryFromHillary: Do you agree that Senator Obama has been a “do nothing” Senator both in IL and DC? Then he will be a “do” nothing President. If I couldn’t stomach the idea of voting Republican, then I would stay home. But that’s just me. My vote goes to the Mavericks, McCain/Palin.
If I may add one more point –
It is true that there are still some social conservatives who want to reverse Roe v Wade, but the majority view now seems to be that it is a moral issue, not a legal issue To many social conservatives, it is a matter of conscience. If the “compulsory compassion” of liberalism is wrong, then so too is the “compulsory morality” of illegal abortion.
The (elephant in the room, slippery slope, etc, pick your cliche) is the utilitarian argument for abortion. In parts of Europe today, old folks are terminated without their consent because their quality of life is determined by others to be insufficient. Once life and death decisions are decided by what is convenient, the potential for unintended consequences is pretty scary.
notfollowin:
I know but I just keep thinking of the issues between the two and I am just so torn!
BO is in NO way Hillary but Palin is as far away from Hillary that a woman can be.
I hope she shines in the debates it will make my decision easier.
I will be happy when the “Puma Hose” is back in working order. Until then I leave you with this comment:
I am sickened to my core by the corruption of our government, and the ongoing fraud and disenfranchisement of voters by both Dems and Repubs. As the Dems most viable candidate and this country’s “hope” was systematically silenced along with the voters, and the worst possible pick was shoved down our throats, we are now being force fed Sarah Palin. Does the woman have credentials? Absolutely. Can she leave cupcake and Biden in the dust, I think she can. This doesn’t mean I want her social views in the White House.
We are left this season with a choice between a ” firing squad and death by saber.” Not much of a choice. Our freedom of choice in this country has been dwindling for years. Our Democratic principles are lying along side the road some where, replaced by pure insane greed for power.
God help us.
Thank you Heidi Li for your voice of clarity and sanity.
And the suppression continues:
http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/2008/09/act-blues-pro-obama-stance-de-lists.html
AMEN MARYLAND PUMA!
I just kept thinking about the ages of the SCOTUS members.
They have been so vital these past 8 years!!
I will stop posting cause I don’t want to put anything on here that will cause controversy or in fighting but please refresh my memory why I should absolutely not vote BO.
With out using outright hate (read previous posts and you’ll see that I don’t respond well with that).
Just help me reason.
Hello Pumas,
As I watched Sarah Palin’s speech last night I couldn’t help it but to think of Hillary. Palin has THAT mental toughness that Hillary posseses. Her life has not been perfect and it sure seems like she has gone thru some diificulties that real people go thru in their lives and yet she is standing up. Those Republicans came to her defense like the media and the *61 had touched the apple of their eye! I can’t recall a single Dem willing to come to Hillary’s defense when she was under attack. My husband who never says much about politics said something to me last night as we were watching the speech, he said “you know, the dems will loose the election because of their failure to respect and understand women” he paused and then said “the sad part is that they just don’t get it, and you watch they’ll be scratching their heads when the election is over wondering what went wrong, what a buch of loosers”
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#196 freddiebrown
I was afraid for years that the first woman in the white house would be a Republican woman who was sweet as pie and phony as heck (Elizabeth Dole type) before the Democrats ran a truly strong woman. Well, it is a repub woman, but thank goodness she is real and very strong.
I did make a very small donation to John McCain the day he picked Palin, with the .44 tacked on, under referred by I put ” Barack Obama and the DNC”.
Other than that, I will not contribute to a Republican campaign.
If anyone has the urge to give their hard earned money away, I’d suggest donating to a PAC (this one!) or any
others that are fighting the good fight.
Especially any that are planning to air commercials telling the REAL Obama story.
Listen Guys, we have always said that you can put your protest vote to whatever place you want to. It does not have to be republican. JUST NOT BO. That is our goal here! NOBAMA NOWAY, NEVER!
The other goal is to work to get our Dem Party Back from the corrupt morons that are running it into the ground. They NO LONGER speak for me. I WANT MY PARTY BACK DAMN IT! PERIOD!
That is the direction that I believe PUMA is taking. Everybody’s opinions here are their own. Period.
Those who believe that they may even be thinking about voting for the Chosen One, maybe it is time for you to move on…..No Hard Feelings…..
HOWEVER, those of us who stay must remain focused on how to get our party back and ensure the defeat of oblahma in Nov.
NOW – let’s get back to work – believe me, we don’t have any time to waste!
MCCAIN/PALIN 08
HILLARY 12
Love you all!
# 231
If Obama is elected, you will never ever have a chance to vote for Hillary again. She would be AT LEAST 69 years old by the time she could run again (1 BO term + one GOP term). And we know what the press does to young, strong women– never mind more august women.
If BO wins, she also can’t say, “I told you so….” and take back the party for PUMAs and other Dems who follow the rules!
Stealing history – this is what I just posted on facebook because most of my friends support XO – don’t know if it will hep but …
For my ‘friends’ who were NOT involved in caucuses tyr to imagine this : Supposed you are from a town of 200 peope sheetle and the majority of you are planning to vote for the same candidate . You go to the caucus and all of the sudden a whole bussload of people for a different candidat pulls into the parking lot from out of town . The people from the bus proceede to go inside and take the voter sign in sheet from the chairmans hands and begin signing all of their names to the sheets . Now let me remind you that You MUST be from that precinct in order to vote in the caucus . YOu realize that what is taking place is illegal and you call the state party chair who just so happens to support the candidate who brought in the bus of people from out of town and tells you to file a complaint . The end tally of votes for your precinct of 200 people ends up being400 for the candidate who no one in the town supported . This is called fraud and their were 2,000 reported and documented cases of this in Texas alone . Now , if that had been YOU , if YOUR vote had been stolen by such an organized band of criminals , would you support the candidate who perpetuated these acts ?? Who PAID those people to STEAL your vote ? If it happened to YOU I would NOT tell you to “get over it ” or suggest that you must just be racist or that you are a sore loser . The end does not justify the means and I will not ‘just get over it ” I will NEVER support MCCain / Palin , but neither will I reward corruption in my own party .
Take this poll on Palin speech – Obots are on it for some time
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/sep/04/hockey-mom-jumps-into-role-as-mccains-enforcer/
#248 mimi1020 – Well said.
Some pumas have always followed Obama connections, like the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, etc.
If you are into following that kind of stuff, here are two articles that came out yesterday:
“New evidence has emerged that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was closely associated as early as age 25 to a key adviser to a Saudi billionaire who had mentored the founding members of the Black Panthers.”
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/obama_sutton_saudi/2008/09/03/127490.html
and:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/04/it-aint-the-whitey-tape-but/
Palin is socially conservative, but she has no record of pushing that onto the people of Alaska. The rumor that she pushed creationsim in the schools was untrue. What she said is that if it came up in class, the class should be permitted to discuss it.
#241 Goandersen
Did you mention a hose?? LOL
#240 StealingHistoryFromHillary
Keep this in mind also. BO SAYS a LOT that may SOUND enticing but it’s just cheese on a mouse trap. He’s NOT a democrat, he has NO RESPECT whatsoever for women (unless he can use them for his own promotion), and he’s NEVER backed up a single PROMISE with ACTION. (FISA being a case in point). Don’t let an empty suit with “just words” lead you away. DON’T follow the pied piper.
241 goandersen
Love your post. Welcome back and please stay.
Your post makes me want to cry out:
HILLARY CLINTON WE DESPERATELY NEED YOU NOW, PLEASE!!!
Go vote: Will Palin draw the woman vote?
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=3211
#255 Maryland PUMA
Is it fixed yet?
StealingHistoryFromHillary
No offense I watched you’re comments and from them, I never had any doubt that you were supporting Obama. I like the way you laid your ground work to try and get others to follow; kinda like a covert mission, but one that was extremly obvious.
STEALINGHISTORYFROMHILLARY,
Please don’t take this the wrong way but if you are not NOBAMA then you’re right, you are not a PUMA. I’m sure you’re a lovely person and I don’t mean to offend but I have no flexibility on this one issue. If you’re thinking you might want to vote for BO then this is not the place for you.
#241 goandersen……………Your clarity of our sick political system is true and scary. I have been seeing the same thing, sometimes it seems hopeless.
I will try to see through the darkness to Sarah with all her flaws in political views to the real person she is, authentic.
I find as we all grow and with life experiences our views also gain a different perspective.
Sara will grow as she experiences the new job before her and we will be pleased, one can only pray.
John,
I agree.
#257 bruce55555
Hey nickels. I still have the nickel I was going to tape to a Denver sign. I never got a chance to do it.
While we sit and throw darts at each other, the corruption continues.
I will be back when the garbage is gone.
john and sheila7 – I was just thinking the same thing.
214 halligan
I’ve been clean and sober for over 30 years…
no wine for me, thank you, but enjoy yourself!
#243 StealingHistoryFromHillary
He changes his mind like the wind
He has used corrupt politics to get where he’s is now.
He keeps questionable friends
Their seems to be evidence that he has accepted money from Hamas a Terrorist organization.
He can’t even provide the American people with a valid Birth Certificate.
He is afraid to Debate
He is no good at Debate
He never was a lead lawyer in any case he ever had. He had 10 and other people in the firm handled his cases for him after he stood up to announce his own and his client’s name.
The only community project he ever had was a failure and the housing today is in worst shape then when he started.
He never had the guts to vote on anything controversial in the Senate and just choose to vote present.
I am sure there is a lot more. Anyone else care to add to this list?
#260 and 261………………..I agree!!
NOBAMA>>>>>>>>PUMAS LETS US ROAR!!!
#264 StaunchPatriot
IMO, Sarah Palin is not going to save us.
#248 mimi1020
Kudos, kuckle bump.
Hey guys:
I only have a minute. After two days of arguing with myself over whether or not I should respond to a journalism student’s request for a statement on the election from me, I finally figured out what I wanted to say. I decided to reframe this from “Hillary was better than Obama and cheated out of her nomination because of sexism, bias, racism” to “the Democratic Party alienated its voters, ideals, and platform to arrive at the current nominee, selected.” I think this is a better arguement for the public and reframes it from bitter old women to arrogant two-faced party.
So here goes:
After giving it some thought, I am happy to participate in your article. You can use anything or everything I write in this response to you for your article. Since I no longer have any official office to the Democratic Party, I request that all of my opinions be reflected as merely my own and not associated with any office that I previously held.
I have voted Democratic in every national election since my first vote at 18 years old. I have believed in our candidates who have championed for our platform of equal rights for all people. I have believed in providing access to opportunities for people to elevate and improve their lives through education, service, and access to good jobs. Allowing our economy to grow for everyone, not just the multinational corporations at the expense of everyone else. Bridging the gaps that have left so many people in this country behind because of poverty, education, race, gender, and many other reasons not mentioned here. Providing healthcare to all Americans that covers and protects them rather than just leaving everyone to their own accord of buying essentially a healthcare discount card. Not allowing a single religious philosophy to be the basis of government decisions, actions, and legislation but rather being open to people of all faiths and beliefs to be a part of the party and its guiding principles. Being champions of minorities and women. Standing up to those who threatened our country but simultaneously being an active participant in fostering relations with other countries and providing assistance aid around the world not just in times of crisis but as part of an international philosophy to elevate the lives of those living in standards and conditions far below what we have been afforded in this country.
So, given my long oration of philosophies that I believe in ,and as a young voter am still evolving, it would make sense that I should be unquestionably casting my vote for the Democratic ticket this year. However, the actions exhibited by the nominee, his campaign, and the Democratic National Committee during the primary are simply disturbing to me. We had an historic primary that represented the great history of the Democratic party and could have shown a bright future for this party. Instead, from the beginning of this year, one single candidate was thrust into the nomination through misrepresentation of positions, manipulation, bias, strong arming of party leaders, disrespecting and insulting people who supported someone other than the nominee, and the active destruction of the record and reputation of the previous Democratic President and the nominee’s Democratic opponent. Unfortunately, most people will chalk this up to pure politics. However, I am further disturbed that this party went to extreme lengths to minimize and marginalize the voters and the candidacy of Senator Hillary Clinton and thereby relegate the fundamental idea of representative democracy to less than a talking point.
The caucuses and caucus/primary two-step was a disgrace. The rules and bylaws committee meeting in May was an insult. And, the staged floor vote at the Democratic National Convention was a sham and mockery to the very democracy and rights of voters that the Democratic party claims to espouse to.
The Democratic leadership never wanted to put Senator Clinton’s name into nomination even though she had earned nearly half the delegates and more primary votes than any Democrat in history. Astonishingly, it took two petitions from pledged delegates to both get a vote for Senator Clinton and to bring that vote to the floor of the national convention. In this last figurative moment of the 2008 Hillary Clinton for president campaign, she and the voters deserved to have the standard traditions and rules of the party followed as had been done in every previous convention. Watching Senator Clinton have all 18 million of her voters recognized, respected, and recorded on the floor of the national convention would have gone further towards healing wounds in the party than the staged mockery that was displayed. Unfortunately, staged “Party unity” was more important to the Democratic leadership than allowing the Democratic voters to be heard and respected on the convention floor.
It is unfortunate, but I will NOT be casting a vote for the Democratic ticket this year. It’s not just a matter of how much I agree with our nominee’s virtually untested philosophy but it also matters how he got to where he is, who he insulted, demeaned, and ostracized along the way, how many times he has changed positions (even to the detriment of our own platform) and how he manipulated the process and people to have himself thrust into the nomination that he did not earn in a fair or respectable way.
Unfortunately, my choice of not voting for the Democratic nominee leaves me with very little to choose from at the top of the ballot. Despite my choice to protest the democratic ticket, I cannot vote for the Republican ticket. I have watched and listened to the Republican party and even in their display of “country first,” I still see strong fundamental differences between myself and their party philosophy. I expect to be voting “present” for this year’s presidential election and I will instead support our down ballot Democrats to bring a Democratic voice into our local and state government.
It has been interesting to watch John McCain’s campaign for president, especially in the last week. I believe politically for him, John McCain made a good choice. Governor Sara Palin will bring her own experiences to the table and provide a unique voice to the national debate that only less than a handful of women have had the opportunity to do. Regarding Governor Palin’s children or the children of any candidate, I believe they should be left completely out of the debate. Unfortunately, Governor Palin’s daughter has been thrust into a national spotlight and scrutiny that she does not deserve.
In general, I would like to see a real discussion on the issue of unplanned pregnancies in the United States. I would like to see a discussion of access to both education and contraception coupled with ideas and plans to support women and families up through and after giving birth who choose not to terminate an unplanned pregnancy. Pre-natal and post-natal care should not be determined based on the income or educational status of the family. So, I believe the position of being pro-choice or pro-life transcends the single issue of abortion.
Ultimately, Senator McCain’s choice of Vice President has not impacted my opinion of my personal vote. As a Democrat and supporter of Senator Clinton, I personally do not consider Senator Palin to be a personal insult. Instead, I see the actions within my own party to be far more insulting than what the Republican nominee chooses in regards to his own campaign. Senator McCain, Governor Palin, and the Republican platform are diametrically opposite from my personal philosophies. Therefore, I cannot support or endorse their ticket.
I truly hope that my party, the Democratic Party, will learn some lessons from this year and re-evaluate the process, circumstances, bias, misrepresentation, and deviation from tradition that unfairly delivered the nomination to one candidate while simultaneously disrespecting that candidate’s opponent, all Democratic voters, the 42nd president of the United States, and the party.
To ALL:
This is my humble but strongly worded opinion as a member of PUMA PAC, not a representative:
When did this blog become a platform for campaigning for Sarah Palin? for John McCain?
I thought we, as PUMAs, were fighting for the very breath of democracy as our founding fathers intended it. To expose the lethal virus that has poisioned the Democratic Party and the democratic process?
What happened to all the work on Obama? Now I see much conversation and investigation on Palin and less on Obama? WTF?
I agree we need to speak out as women against the sexist comments being thrown at Palin, but question us using the blog to vet her. Clintons4McCain and RealDems is the place to do that. Even McCain’s blogs too.
Murphy clearly stated that we are Democrats working for change in the Democratic Party and process. You can bet your booties that the O campaign is watching carefully, and rejoicing in the fact that our apparent “focus” is no longer him but the REPUBLICANS.
Perhaps I’m on a pseudo blog or something. WTF? Can someone please explain to me why I feel like I’ve walked into a stranger’s house instead of my own?
265
Thanks goandersen!
You’re absolutely right, but the thing is, your presence, viewpoint and input here is so valuable, please bear with us
243 StealingHistoryFromHillary
A vote for Obama is an affirmation and enabling of the undermining of the electoral process. Without credible processes, our political stances mean nothing because out voices, via our votes, are eliminated and relegated to a few insiders who will make our decisions as voters for us.
230 PumaDuma on 09.04.08 at 3:04 pm : Fox reported a few weeks ago, that the party is already owned by Soros; Now I don’t recall selling my share, and for that matter I didn’t know it was for sale either. So Murphy, please put Soros in that photo.
Texas tigress:
It does help but I realized that my posts are more centrist than everyone elses. I just think that I am not extreme enough in my thinking (and I mean that in the nicest way).
I don’t want to fog up these blogs anymore for those of you that truly believe that BO is not an option in any case.
I will still read the posts because I LOVE THEM!!
I just don’t want my moderate view on this issue to distract TRUE PUMAs anymore.
Good luck and maybe I can return to the fold sometime soon!!
Thanks for everything,
SHFH
I agree no candidate can SAVE you, but you can save yourself from a party that DON’T want you. Don’t respect you and if they didn’t need your votes they would even come around you. The new Obama Party has no need for the working class, the under 6 figga group, rural area folks, or the folks no looking to sell their souls to Obama. Obama has enough followers, so can someone NOW Lead.
not*
#264 StaunchPatriot
Our FREEDOM is gone, we need a WASHINGTON OUTSIDER to fix America
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I’m almost afraid to ask you this, but who is this outsider you think can fix America?
No outsider has any control over our congress, as ineffective as congress may be right now, I am glad we have some attempt at checks & balances instead of one person having any control over our country. Wouldn’t one person with control be called a dictator?
#273 Maryland PUMA
Sort of like the Twilight Zone, isn’t it?
SHFH,
If you want to call your view moderate then go ahead. that is the result of drinking the kool-aid. Don’t imply that we are somehow radical. We are the true Democrats here. Our votes weren’t counted and we were told we were not needed. I don’t beg anyone for attention including the sham of a party called the Democratic one. We are not even close to extreme but your post is getting me there so I will go before I get deleted with the things that should be said to you, just take your Obama love somewhere else, it’s not wanted here.
267 DancesWithPumas~~I’m clean and sober 25 yrs in December. Apparently I still haven’t lost the ability to offend those who aren’t.
Does anyone have any factual links on any Obama Lies, flops, betrayals or other dirt that I can use for a site I am trying to make so that if we are looking for something it can all be found in one spot…a Kool aid detox site if you will. Please send me any link you might have. Thank you!
#268 StarDust – How ’bout this: Together with a corrupt DNC, he forced a more qualified woman who WON the popular vote in the primaries, out of the race for POTUS, and attempted to silence the voices of 18 million voters through caucus intimidation, fraud, and ultimately manipulation of the roll call in Denver.
#271 BillieJo
RIGHT BACK AT YA – WOOHOOO
GO PUMAS!
CARACAL CARRIE,
Thank you for doing that.
I will let you know when/if I receive any responses to the prowl devewloped by ladyhawkke.
Need to go for now, see all you PUMAS later.
#280 BillieJo – “…I am glad we have some attempt at checks & balances instead of one person having any control over our country. Wouldn’t one person with control be called a dictator?”
Yes, his name would be Barack Hussein Obama.
Nobama. Nobiden. PUMAs will remember in November.
Texas tigress:
I will miss you Texas and there are many I would rather see leave than you. This is going to rip the hearts out of most of us to vote either for John McCain or third party, we don’t have the option to vote for our real hero, Hillary.
Happy to do it Shelia!
I thought it might help with Texas tigress idea of reaching out to the smaller local media. Having an informative web site to refer them too!
Maryland Puma~ I agree with you that the emphasis should remain squarely on defeating Obama. He would be the most disastrous president we have ever entertained. I am also sure the work will continue. However, I feel that the present Dem party is diseased beyond resuscitation between now and November. My plan, which I will put into action is to vote for McCain/Palin and at the very least, save it from a Marxist tyrant for at least 4 years. During that time I will work hard for Dem restoration; and then if unsuccessful I will work for Repub redefinition. If these stances are not welcome here, well then, I will take my support for McCain/Palin to the sites you have suggested. Thank you for giving me a place to direct my anger and energies during the primaries.
Wow!! What a day it is here. Guess some just do not understand that here it is plain and simple…NOBAMA!!
#275 DancesWithPumas – “A vote for Obama is an affirmation and enabling of the undermining of the electoral process.”
Very well said Dances!
Because of the time zones, I sometimes submit a comment
when the blog is about to close, you may like to repost
this comment on last night’s convention…….
Perhaps Senator McCain did get it right after all in his choice of Governor Sarah Pallin as his Vice President.
She is no Hillary Clinton, but her performance last night will help clear the obstacles for Hillary to return in 2012
as President.
Pumas should be reassured that this dynamic and intelligent woman will be a great “ally” to the Puma cause.
Good fortune, Shane, Ireland
Texas
BillieJo TT isn’t going anywhere. She is not leaving at all. She was putting on there what she put on her facebook
Her computer is down right now.
you know, i love this site and the people but it seems like some of us are beginning to attack each other.
i’ve started putting my plan of action down on paper, in an effort to keep focused:
1- Get Hillary nominated (didn’t happen. it was stolen from her and us)
2- if #1 fails to happen, vote for McCain. He’s no Hillary but he’s def. NOT *61.
3- From the time the conventions end to election day, do everything in my power to help keep *61 out of the White House.
I am a Republican (now) and while i may not agree with many of the things my party stands for, I am allowed to have an opposing view point. Thats something I no longer had with the Dem. party.
I am not fond of the idea of casting my vote for a Republican, I’d much rather give my vote to Hillary again but since the ONC tells me I cannot have her I will do everything I can to make sure the ONC hears me on election day when I give my vote to McCain/Palin.
I’d rather have a Republican than *61, at least I know what to expect with a Repub.
we wouldn’t have to wait a full 4 years to get excited about Hillary again. She’d announce sometime in 2010 (wouldnt she? possibly early 2011) so we’d only have to wait for 1-2 years.
that gives me true hope. Sarah’s speech rekindled the fire for me. i am re energized and ready to keep fighting.
#293 virginia.puma – Sound plan, please stay.
273 Maryland PUMA
Knuckle bump to you Maryland PUMA.
The blog has been a mess for a few days. Many of us have tried to help but have been attacked for it.
Please keep an eye on things so our blog is not destroyed from what it was to what is going on today.
Thank you for speaking up.
# 285 emme
Oh yes, and definitely all of that too. I must add to my own list. He threw away the voter of Michigan and Florida to get his inappropriate win. Being from Michigan I do not take kindly to being thrown away.
OK PUMAS, who is going to watch the BO interview tonight with O’Rielly? I simply don’t have to stomach but I’m hoping some of you braver souls can report back
Thanks you, Cat in your Hat!
I’ve archived the two links for future use. If you have anymore gems like that.. could you please send them to
me at :
http://www.pumasunleashed.wordpress.com
A comment from NoEqual:
“I lived in Alaska for over 2 decades. I honestly don’t think the rest of the country is ready for an Alaskan in the White House. How will Washington ever deal with someone that tells the truth? How will Washington deal with a woman that won’t be bullied by members of Skull and Crossbones (the elite secrete club Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and yes even Clinton and Obama belong to). We have criminals in Washington, how do you expect them to react to a REAL PATRIOT? People need to grow a pair and have an original thought outside your moronic party lines. I guarantee no one will push this woman around, not Texas oilmen, not the Rockefeller s and certainly not the 2 faced criminals that make up our government. You want change, vote for this woman and watch her clean house.”
And to everyone, please remember: “Together We Stand” we will not be divided because we simply will not fall. The stakes are too high. Let’s be understanding and supportive of one another.
283 LivingGrace
Congratulations!
You gotta just ignore some things when they reach or exceed a certain point.
#302 Queen 81
I volunteer to watch the “O” O’Rielly interview.
It’s good to know what direction “O” camp is going to.
273 Maryland PUMA
I fully agree. It is however, difficult to keep your eye on the ball without a sense of focus. With no direct purpose as to what we should be doing to affect the changes we want to make, then we turn to the things that are right in front of our faces. Some of us are taking action on our own to try and make things happen, but there will be some who will wait for direction from our Puma leaders, and until that time there will be talking and opinions and little that will reach the goal we all share.
#273 Maryland Puma
Agreed, 100 percent.
NYCgirl
Im sorry BillieJo I wrote that wrong..Just wanted to let you know Texas Tigress is still with us.
Many of Hillary supporters are CENTRIST they can identify with many conservative views, not republican ,but conservative views their is a difference.
Many or not LIBERAL, that’s why we are appalled at the democratic leadership and the corrupt ways there willing to lead, what was once our party.
The Democratic Party wants zombies , jim Jones type followers, not people that are wlling say hey I am not drinking that juice and waiting for the spaceship Obama to take me to Obamaland where rev Wright words will be preach 23 hour a day.
Just wanted to share this site I found after watching Harriet Christian on Cavuto yesterday, it is called THE NEW AGENDA and Harriet Christian is of course part of this effort. I’m also attaching a link to one of their releases they titled THE NEW AGENDA to Serve as Watch Dog for Women Candidates
http://thenewagenda.net/press-releases/august-31-2008-the-new-agenda-to-serve-as-watch-dog-for-women-candidates/
Here’s their mission statement:
The New Agenda, through its members and partner organizations, seeks to advance women’s rights. The New Agenda will bring about a systemic change in the way women are treated in the media, by the government, at the workplace, and at home. To achieve our goals, we will empower women by working towards parity in the government and in the workplace. The New Agenda will also formulate an agenda based on core women’s issues which we will promote in a non-partisan fashion. The New Agenda will speak out for the millions of women in this great country who often have no voice.
The problem is that nobody will bid on Pelosi.
Ummm… we kind of lost our hero. Now the only thing we can talk about is the bad guy and the bad party.
Puma needs a new Hero to fight for. I would kind of like to retain Hillary and get her to be a Puma nominee, but I don’t think she do it.
Now what do we do? We are New Democrats without a leader.
thank you goofsmom…Now rest assured if I hear Bill is actually going to grill him, I will watch
#297 Caracal Carrie on 09.04.08 at 3:46 pm
Texas
BillieJo TT isn’t going anywhere. She is not leaving at all. She was putting on there what she put on her facebook
Her computer is down right now.
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Hmmm, thanks for letting me know. (((Carrie)))
Questions:
How many have signed up to be a Poll Worker?
How many have taken Ladyhawkke’s lead on letters to SOS and AG?
How many have written to nate@actblue.com , commenting on Act Blue’s refusal to accept donations through The Denver Group?
Do you think it is productive to ridicule and feed the bots?
Is it all that difficult to take misunderstandings off the blog?
@293 virginia puma
Another personal response, not as a PAC representative (although Murphy may fire me for these comments!)
This PAC is not working toward active support of or the election of McCain/Palin.
As I said before in a previous post, all viewpoints are welcome if they are not over-emphasized. McCain/Palin has overtaken this blog in one form or another and I am simply astounded! I’m here for democracy and NOBAMA, not McCainGain.
I believe we STILL have a stronger mission – using FACT to knock Obama out of this election and bring down the power brokers at the DNC. Lord knows there is ample ammunition, we just have to find it and expose it. We’ve done it before, we can do it again. We can keep doing it until what’s broken is fixed.
It disturbs me that so much PUMA energy is being directed at promoting/vetting the republicans instead of fixing the Democratic Party.
One can still be a PUMA and fight for Democracy even if they will personally support McCain in November. Many PUMAs will do that. But the choices we each have in that respect are boundless. We are still tied by NOBAMA, are we not? I feel we need to be inclusive of ALL the choices and not just voting the Republican ticket.
I don’t know who I’ll support, if anyone. I do feel a bit uncomfortable on here with all the Republican discussion. I am NOT a republican. I am a conservative DEMOCRAT and I’ll be DAMNED if I will sit back for another 4 years and watch the Dem Party ground into insignificance due to shoddy management and shady people.
PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT
I am so disappointed that bloggers need to be monitored like children.
There is no need to take any action when someone disagrees with you. So what, they disagree. Life is like that.
Complaints about trolls, racism etc should be handled off the blog in emails – not direct attacks.
Get with the program here.
Be wonderful to each other.
Mama
Good Day Pumas
I will not post my voting opinions here. I want to stay focused on making sure “O” doesn’t get elected.
I’m here to help do that. As far as the parties go they both have problems. IMHO we need our own, I know that won’t happen, so we need to fix both of them!
First things first… NObama in November.
Some cable TV news analysts claimed the BO campaign figured out the caucus delegate system, and this is where they put their efforts and were able to beat HRC. I believe the BO campaign figured out the caucus system by virtue of its very nature, would allow them a huge opportunity to CHEAT–and cheat they did.
http://victoriakos.blogspot.com/2008/04/obama-accused-of-cheating-in-caucuses.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/NV%20State%20Letter%20%282%29%201%2023%2008.pdf
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/2/22818/72392
Whatever happened to the journalists that did real investigation, and blew a story wide open? Do they exist anymore?
#317 goandersen
* Still working on the poll worker prowl.
* Sent letters to AG and SOS in PA.
* Working on my own personal prowls…contacting other Hillary supporters in my swing state to persuade them to become PUMAs and vote Nobama.
I missed the Act Blue thing – what was that about?
Tom Delay on FOX wearing an orange tie.
Down with the ONC and with the people that backstabbed Hillary and crowned Emperor Obama. Shape up or fade away into the darkness of corrupt politics.
Here is a new website that many of you probably have seen.
http://tdg.typepad.com/hrcsenatemajorleader09/
I think it is very important to still keep Hillary in our hearts and minds while we try to take back our party-my ex party for now!
Greenfun
They all went to work for the Enquirer. LOL !
Sorry, that 1st link doesn’t work-here it is.
SATURDAY, APRIL 19, 2008
Obama accused of cheating in caucuses
Isn’t it strange that in most of the caucuses, where Hillary Clinton was leading in the polls up until election day by healthy margins, she’s beaten by Barack Obama by 5-10 points? Interesting, isn’t it?
The media, whom have fallen in love with the half-term Senator from Illinois, chalk this up to a superior ground game. However, I find it interesting that there are several discrepancies that indicate that Obama has cheated his way through the caucus system.
Caucuses tend toward Obama, but primaries tend toward Hillary, Has anyone wondered why this is? How could one “impartial” system favor one candidate over the other, and vice-versa?
I believe I have the answer to that question.
It started in Scranton, with a friend of a friend of mine, Roger. Roger worked the Scranton office for the Obama campaign. During the parade on Saint Patrick’s Day Weekend, he wanted a clean, friendly approach to the people of Northeast Pennsylvania. Instead, some folks, whom only identified themselves as “working for the Obama campaign” swooped in, usurped him, and took over, instructing supporters to “get in the face” of Clinton supporters, to “intimidate, insult, and keep them from the polls at all costs.
The actions of Obama supporters in Scranton were reported on by the local Tom Corbett radio show.
Roger found this interesting, and started asking questions from the higher ups from the Obama campaign. His claims were dismissed, and those that came in, despite carrying official recognition, were denied ever having been there in the first place.
I spoke to someone this weekend — let’s just say, he’s extremely knowledgeable about this presidential race — that found it funny that, in the state of Wisconsin for example, Hillary gets more votes than all of the Republicans on the opposing ticket combined, but is still beat by Barack Obama.
He found it funny that, when the numbers are crunched, Obama gets more caucus votes than there are registered Democrats in the state.
He found it funny that it was reported that similar or identical names were provided on registration rolls in eight Obama-won states, over, and over, and over again, and always in separate precincts.
He found it interesting that Obama got his usual “surge” of roughly 800 voters in each caucus he has won.
Reports of money missing from the Obama campaign, the same amount before each primary, are attributed to “bus trips”. That, I agree with.
However, there is an answer, and as I said, I’m 50% done with compiling the necessary information needed to go to the press with it:
Barack Obama has been shipping people in to each primary: Not to campaign, not to surrogate, not to organize campaign offices, not to phone bank, and not to canvass.
But to vote.
The same people have been voting in each caucus in each state. Busses. 20 of them. With roughly, 40 people each.
What’s 40 x 20?
800.
The same thing was tried in Scranton, with voters from (most likely Philadelphia) other areas trying to register to vote in Northeast Pennsylvania. They’re voting more than once, and quite literally, cheating Democrats out of their choice for the primary contest.
Don’t get me wrong here, I know how this probably sounds: I’m always the one to call conspiracy theorists for what they are: nut jobs. I’m the practical one. I never, in my wildest dreams, thought that this could occur today.
Pennsylvania has very strict voting registration laws, and for this very reason, which is why Obama has generally ignored the state, so he can chalk this up to “oh, the Hillary victory was expected.” But in states with very lax voting laws — the very states he’s won so far — he’s succeeded in wide margins where Clinton led only hours before.
Folks, the math just doesn’t add up.
I’ll finish my report, and I’ll submit it to local and state press. The empirical evidence is there, and I’m positive there are those that will come to me and say how crazy all of this is. I only ask them to examine the election results I’ve seen so far, voter registration amounts, and then to add the numbers themselves.
Math is absolute. When you crunch numbers, you get what you get. Obama’s numbers simply don’t add up.
#314 StarDust
Now what do we do? We are New Democrats without a leader.
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Murphy is the founder, executive officer, and leader of PUMA PAC. I believe our plan is to campaign against obama locally and statewide; volunteer as poll volunteers to ensure fair elections to the extend that we can, to support down-ticket candidates who didn’t enable the corruption in the primaries and at the Convention, to rid the Democratic Party of the principles of said corruption, and to support future candidates who reflect our issues as listed under the New Democratic Party (which is modeled on Alice Paul’s political party.)
That’s my understanding anyway.
the ONLY way to take back the Dem Party from the thugs who stole it is to vote McCain/Palin.
It is the ONLY way at this point. The DNC made their choice. Now we will make ours.
After Obama loses, the Democratic Party will find that they DO in fact “need” us. The DNC leadership will change. Dean will go home to Vermont. It will again be the party of the Clintons.
Read it and Weep.
I only need two words to describe why America needs Progressive Majority now more than ever: Sarah Palin.
Did you see last night how Sarah Palin fired up the conservative crowd at the Republican convention? Did you notice that she was poised, strong and clear?
It was no coincidence. While many are mocking the “Mayor of What?” who became governor and now VP pick, we here at Progressive Majority understand Sarah Palin’s rise to power – and why the right wing has responded to her so well.
Sarah Palin is a GOPAC graduate.
GOPAC is the leading candidate recruitment and training operation for the conservative right – and our direct competitor when it comes to who controls government.
GOPAC was founded in 1978 by conservatives who knew they were going to have to work outside the Republican Party to take it over. They knew they would have to recruit their own kind to run to wrest control of government from the Democrats. They knew they needed a long-term plan to build their “farm team”.
They went to work and Newt Gingrich took over the organization in the 1980s. You see, Gingrich wasn’t satisfied with the election of Ronald Reagan. He wanted to see conservatives in control at the local, state AND national levels – even if it took a generation. Under Gingrich’s leadership, GOPAC stepped up its candidate recruitment efforts, sought out “movement conservatives” and taught them how to run campaigns and talk about issues in a way that galvanized the far right base while not completely alienating moderate voters.
It worked. During the next 20 years, they took over the majority of state legislatures and governors. They singlehandedly led the “Republican Revolution” that took over Congress in 1994. They elected George W. Bush.
And, yesterday, one of their own accepted the Republican nomination for vice president of the United States.
If you’re a conservative, that’s how you go from being mayor of a small town to governor to the very top of the ticket.
Don’t think for a moment, despite Democratic victories in 2006 and a good climate for 2008, that they are finished.
Today, GOPAC is the sixth largest national political organization in the country. It is three times larger and 26 years older than Progressive Majority.
But, we’re hot on their trail.
Progressive Majority is the only national organization focused on recruiting, training and electing progressives to run for state and local office.
We’re good at it. Since 2004, we have recruited more than 1,000 progressives to run for office. We’ve elected 272 candidates. We’ve helped flip control of four state legislatures, 30 local governments and three statewide positions. And, we have 506 candidates in our own farm team getting ready to run in 2008, 2009, 2010 and beyond.
We are a powerful antidote to GOPAC.
And, while we weren’t around to stop the rise of Sarah Palin, you can count on us to be there next time.
We have nearly 200 candidates on the ballot this November. And, with your help, they can win. Every penny we raise will be used between now and Election Day to push these candidates over the top.
Can you give $25, $50, $100 or even more to help us build the progressive farm team for the future?
I just made my own contribution to Progressive Majority, and I hope you’ll do the same. Our country deserves no less.
Thanks for all you do to elect progressives.
Gloria
#317 – Goanderson
I am not able to volunteer as a poll worker because of the time commitment.
However, my husband and I are volunteering to drive people to the polls on election day that have no other way of getting there.
Hope this helps
#321 greenfun Yes, it’s truly a shame it happened and still most people don’t realize it because of MSM. My bobot spouse thought it was great that bo was able to manipulate the system to his advantage. I think it’s disgraceful. We’re talking about our votes, the votes of all of us. The system was manipulated, the outcome of the election did not reflect the will of the people. This is unconstitutional and I really want the DNC and bo to be challenged in court.
327 greenfun
Very interesting, disgusting, but interesting nonetheless.
You might want to send that info to murphy@pumapac.org with caucus fraud in the subject line. Murpohy sent out a broadcast some time back asking for such first hand information. Not sure she can still use the info, but if she can, your info seems valuable to me.
ok… I have been luking today and this needs to stop. I really enjoy the diversity of what PUMA is. I know the objection is to not elect #61 and I am on board with that. I really do not care how you, personally, get there.. as long as you get there. You all own your own vote…. stop fighting and stick with the plan. We are not OBOTS, we are individuals… Work together. I, for one, plan to vote for the McCain/Palin ticket.. and that is ok. If you plan to vote for another party.. that is fine. But if you plan to vote for #61, you most likely do not need to be here. You will not be a happy camper.
And by the way… I am 1/2 native american – cheyenne, the other 1/2 is french. But I am 100% American… so get on board, the train is leaving…. the destination… NO OBAMA… NO HOW… NO WAY!!!
#313 StaunchPatriot
I read your post and agree that the government needs to be accountable to it’s public. You seem to think Sarah is one answer for this solution and I hope you are right, however please reread this post from Maryland PUMA about this blog:
What happened to all the work on Obama? Now I see much conversation and investigation on Palin and less on Obama? WTF?
I agree we need to speak out as women against the sexist comments being thrown at Palin, but question us using the blog to vet her. Clintons4McCain and RealDems is the place to do that. Even McCain’s blogs too.
Very exciting update on the lawsuit today from Phil. Be sure to tune in online. 6pm EST
http://www.am1440.com/am1440_ben.html
If you are not familiar with the lawsuit, please read the court documents at http://www.obamacrimes.com.
Maryland Puma,
I copied the mission statement you posted of the New Democratic Party and will add it to the “ABOUT” statement later on at PUMAS UNLEASHED. (if you don’t mind, of course)
http://pumasunleashed.wordpress.com/
#322 emme
http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/2008/09/act-blues-pro-obama-stance-de-lists.html
It may have been noted already, but Sarah’s teleprompter was broken. She is truly fantastic.
#331 goofsmom
Good for you and your husband, all action is needed!
Thank you!
#340 StaunchPatriot
What???
TOPIC: PUMAS in the lurch, or “Where to now, St Peter?”
Right-on, Dances. Murphy is a great leader. Also, we need to continue to call the media on its sexist reporting.
RE: #241 goandersen
“I am sickened to my core by the corruption of our government… As the Dems most viable candidate and this country’s “hope” was systematically silenced along with the voters, and the worst possible pick was shoved down our throats, we are now being force fed Sarah Palin. Does the woman have credentials? Absolutely. Can she leave cupcake and Biden in the dust, I think she can. This doesn’t mean I want her social views in the White House.”
Hear-hear.
Q: So, what can we do?
1) Send donations to PUMA (I sent mine yesterday) and The Denver Group, the Denver Group needs to continue to receive our support.
2) Continue to make our PUMA presence known in the blogs & in the online polls
3) Stick together. We made it through Denver, we can make it through everything else.
328 DancesWithPumas
You know – you are absolutely right. We have become a strong force to reckon with, and Murphy has certainly showed herself to be an excellent leader and spoke person.
Ok from now on in, I declare Murphy as not only leader but also as official hero of Puma Pac.
Independents likely to vote McCain Increased 9% after Gov. Palin Speech
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
I wonder if Obama is thinking of dumping Biden? (You know, health issues, lobbyist brother issues, etc.) And replacing him with Hillary?
Obama/Hillary would have been an unbeatable team, and Hillary was right on all the issues, more so than Obama, IMHO.
And now Hillary folks, including myself, are drifting onto Palin, to cast the historic vote. Let’s not weep, let’s get a woman Veep.
And if Obama wants my vote, he needs to put Hillary back on the ticket. Otherwise, I’m not voting Barack, I’m voting Barracuda.
I know, too many rhymes already.
#342 goofsmom
Leave it. Not worth your energy.
Final post I have asked for removal.
Good luck to you all and I hope that PUMA does change the party.
Sent an email to MamaPuma here is an excerpt:
Mama,
I realized today that this is not the right forum for me.
I think that I try to be less confrontational and not submit posts that are too far on one side or another. I have received a ton of flack for my posts that express my distaste for voting Repub.
I don’t think that I am a troll but I now realize that my direction in November will be based on the debates and what comes out in the media from both sides. This alone disqualifies me from being a PUMA.
I think the troll accusation is used too quickly. I need to go to a blog that will help me decide IF I can vote McCain. I came here to make my decision but it is hard when everyone else has made theirs and is beyond changing.
I just felt lost. It is an interesting place to be a Dem. I wasn’t in a state that saw voter fraud etc. so I don’t have that disenfranchised feeling. I know that it happened but I can’t use it as “fuel”.
#273 Maryland Puma – Yes!
#281 goanderson – Yes!
#308 NYCGirl – Yes!
#318 Maryland Puma – Yes!
I am here to because I do not want Obama and to rescue the democratic party from the ONC.
I did not come here to glorify the republican party or campaign for McCain/Palin.
Believe me, I get it that some are going to vote for McCain/Palin.
Hello, fellow PUMAs,
I agree with Murphy that the Republicans have shown more class and principles than the Democrats–its not even close! Palin and Giuliani (who I don’t really like) socked it to the Dems in a straightforward, truthful, and unapologetic way. I am just sad that no one stood up for Hillary the way that the Republicans stood up for Sarah Palin. She also disarmed the media–she said she was not running for office to gain their “good opinions”. So far no one has accused her of racism! Although, that may be yet to come, but I don’t think the Dems are going to be able to mess with this team! I may not agree with all of their platform, but I do think that McCain and Palin are genuine human beings who are principled and committed. They are not phony. They seem very real. So Kudos to them!
#347 – goanderson
Thanks goanderson, I will leave it alone..
I will tivo O’Reilly so I can watch him later. I will NOT watch BO on Keith Oberman on Mon night.
Tonight I will have to tivo part of the convention so I can watch the Redskins.
I love tivo!!!
If you pay attention to polls please keep in mind that in 2004 over 122.2 million people voted. Tracking polls usually ask around 3,000 people for their opinions . That means that the polls represent approximately 1 out of every 40,000+ voters or 0.002% of the electorate. Also, when you consider the population in America is around 300 million it is a little absurd that the media circus people act as if they speak for everyone.
StealingHistory – you are right – you are not a PUma if you are considering voting for Obama – wrong site -
#352 – middle age female
My tivo broke… I’m lost without it…
“I think the troll accusation is used too quickly.”
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We are in agreement.
Aside from the PUMA PAC request that those complaints/issues/accusations be emailed to Murphy and not expressed on the blog.
Hi everyone! I was wondering if anyone has joined the NEW Democratic Party that we got an e-mail about. I have been away for awhile because I had an operation last month and I am trying to catch up on what everybody has been doing. I feel like I am a newcomer. Someone, please tell me about this NEW DEMOCRATIC Party.
FYI – “Act Blue” which served as one way of making donations to The Denver Group has rejected them and refuse to provide further services because it appears that Act Blue is in the tank for BO and The Denver Group is part of this grassroots effort opposing BO and the DNC’s behaviors. You can read more about it on The Denver Group’s web site where they provide contact info for the head of Act Blue for anyone interested in expressing their views.
FYI – “Act Blue” which served as one way of making donations to The Denver Group has rejected them and refuse to provide further services because it appears that Act Blue is in the tank for BO and The Denver Group is part of this grassroots effort opposing BO and the DNC’s behaviors. You can read more about it on The Denver Group’s web site where they provide contact info for the head of Act Blue for anyone interested in expressing their views.
I AM SICK OF THE MEDIA TELLING ME WHAT THE MAIN ISSUE IS FOR THE PEOPLE!
THE MAIN ISSUE FOR ME IS
“CORRUPTION IN WASHINGTON”
IT ENDS WITH US!
Don’t know if you have seen The Denver Group’s first post-convention ad
http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/2008/09/denver-groups-first-post-convention-ad.html
This is Mama
#340 StaunchPatriot
Please send me an email at MamaPumaMass@aol.com
I went around work today congratulating all the conservative ladies! WOW grate job! We all high five each other.
I just told my mom on the phone. NO MORE WAITING! The DNC are not the party for women. They get a big fat F for FAIL FAIL FAIL.
Come talk to me when you have a more winning attitude!
PS: Obama who????????? LOL!!!!!
Interesting Media Resource: Just heard about a place on NPR called the Center for Investigative Reporting. Don’t know if it would prove useful for any efforts of this grassroots movement. Here are a couple of links about it. From what I can tell so far, it seems to be a highly reputablel place. (Beware those of you who are loving Palin, the center has found some information you may not like to hear.)
This is the wikipedia site about them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Investigative_Reporting
This is the actual web site for the org:
http://www.centerforinvestigativereporting.org/
MamaPuma
Message sent, I hope you are a Patriot!
StaunchPatriot
#340 is a blatant violation of Rule #3 in the rules of the blog, which I posted earlier.
We do not insult or condescend or name call other PUMAs.
Goodbye.
#366 Anna7000
Thanks for the links and the focus.
#366 Anna7000 yea they have been talking about that (BO’s camp) all day now and Neil C was just discussing that on fox with a BO person
#346
Obama/Clinton?! Not for me. Have you read about the roll call fiasco at LadyboomerNYC blog?
Clinton/Obama was a ticket I could have supported back in the spring. In any case, the change won’t happen. Biden’s in and that’s that. The Dems will look foolish getting rid of Biden now. -Lara08
Well,
I’m done with this pac. Let’s see, if you don’t agree at all times with Murphy, Maryland Puma, Goandersen, BillieJo and a few others I can think of you need to go? How ridiculous. I hope you ladies enjoy the clique you have formed on here. You have pushed many away because of it. I know because people have told me. In the past I tried to defend and say that it wasn’t intentional but I can’t defend anymore.
Also, the only way the Democratic party is going to change is by getting rid of BO. Plain and simple. Logic tells you that is by voting for McCain. There is no other way and anyone who doesn’t see that needs to take off the rose colored glasses and get real.
Goodbye.
321 Greenfunny,
Whatever happened to the journalists that did real investigation, and blew a story wide open? Do they exist anymore?
They didn’t get hired by the MSM corporations. If we can’t trust our reporters to report the news, then they should all be lumped into the “Opinion Section’ so we can look further for our news. The internet has some real pitfalls, I will be the first to agree with that, but if it were not for the internet, we would be totally in the dark on what was going on in this election. We would be like many American’s that do not use a computer.
GOOD EVENING PUMAS¡¡¡¡
well
little bit of scramble¡¡¡¡¡
Some time ago, we discussed writing HRC in and which states allowed it, which states would count it as DEM and not candidate specific (go to BO) and which states did not allow it?
Did anyone keep track? If so, please post.
If not, can everyone PLEASE call your state election board and find out how your vote will count if you do write her in? Come back and post it.
Can someone keep a running tally please?
A damn fine post, Murphy. Spot on in so many ways. I’ve got a couple of good recent posts on Palin:
Rock Star vs. Porn Star
The Audacity of Nope
That last one would be a great one for commenter #4.
Re posts #330 and #371
I had some questions for goanderson about the information in the post, but I believe she knows some people who blog here will vote for McCain/Palin. As far as insisting that we understand that the only answer is McCain/Palin this fall-that’s not necessarily the case. Many people who blog here are McCain supporters, and I understand that. The McCain supporters should understand that some people could never vote Republican.
Just my two cents on the issue,
Lara08
I have it Maryland PUMA do you want me to post the link
Oops, I meant post #330 and #372.
CBS Poll: McCain, Obama Tied
CBS) The presidential race between
Barack Obama
and
John McCain
is now even at 42 percent, according to a new CBS News poll conducted Monday-Wednesday of this week. Twelve percent are undecided according to the poll, and one percent said they wouldn’t vote.
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
Hi Pride…..real quick……….anyone know what the polls are right now?
371 sheila7
what you’re saying unfortunately is our ONLY choice – we have to take that bitter pill and vote republican – we were forced by our own party and Hillary’s party to do this.
I’m an independent, never voted anything other than democratic because that’s been my pholosophy.
When I registered to vote I was upset with Jimmy Carter, didn’t want to register democrat, WOULD NOT register republican, my only choice was Ind.
I never imagined that I would be voting republican. It was not my intention, I have been pushed to a corner, and that’s my response.
I also know that there are better days ahead. I know Hillary is lurking, ready, willing and able to leap, as soon as NObama is out of the way.
I feel I’m doing this to pave the way for Hillary.
No alterior motives, period.
goanderson
I am on the fence about the poll worker issue since in Indiana I have to declare a part to work the polls.
I have sent my letter to the SOS and ag’s but I could not afford certified so it was by fax.
I dont know anything about this Nate thing as that was the first mention I had heard.
I am also making a web site based on any factual information we have on BO. His flip flops, lies, the caucus fraud video link, and any other important link any one has that they think should be included. So we have a one stop source for our facts rather than having to refer people to a blog that they will have to scroll through conversations to find information.
I will gladly participate in any prowl that comes up as well.
Do you have any links that you think should be added?
#372 sheila7 – sheila please don’t leave – email me at emme dot puma at hot mail dot com
M
#378 Slyt2
Please do. Thanks!
#376 Maryland PUMA It’s a long list do you want me to post it or put link here of what I have?
Good read about the Oster:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/04/rasmussen-obama-leads-palin-on-experience-among-unaffiliated-voters-by-five-points/
317 goandersen~~ Never one to ’sit back and let others do it’, I am still working on #1 and have completed #2. Didn’t hear about the Denver Group prowl. Doesn’t really matter anymore, but I will finish what I’ve started.
#373 sheila7 – you’re absolutely right, especially in the swing states!
Poll numbers PLEEEEEEEEEEEEZE??
( with sugar on top )
Excerpt from #388
While Republicans and Democrats predictably favor their party’s candidate by overwhelming margins, the experience gap among voters unaffiliated with either party is even narrower than the national totals. Forty-two percent (42%) say Obama has better experience to be president, but 37% say Palin does.
The potential problem for Democrats is that Obama, the junior U.S. senator from Illinois and a former state legislator, is the party’s standard-bearer, while Palin, an ex-mayor and now governor of Alaska, is number two on her party’s ticket.
#331 goofsmom on 09.04.08 at 4:10 pm
#317 – Goanderson
I am not able to volunteer as a poll worker because of the time commitment.
However, my husband and I are volunteering to drive people to the polls on election day that have no other way of getting there.
Hope this helps
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Kudos, that’s great.
opps sorry didn’t see your post at 386
http://www.writehillaryin.com/ then click on Write In Facts by State
#380 Lara08
I didn’t post either one of those.
see ya ….gotta run….
#340 goandersen – Done. Email sent.
Guess what? With Palin in the race, B0 sez is about issues, not personalities!
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/04/obama-now-its-issues-not-personalities/
#384 Caracal Carrie
I will check my pool of info and get back to you.
#391 LibertyPuma I only know Gallup Daily: No Dent in Obama Lead So Far NEW
September 4, 2008
Barack Obama continues to hold a significant lead over John McCain, 49% to 42%,
Shelia
There are a lot of times when I feel “out of the loop” so to speak, but keep hanging in. The work is important and a difference really can be made. Your a very supportive person and that means a lot.
goandersen
I requested and was sent by email the paperwork, I declared myself as independent, said I want to help ensure fairness in the polls.
I pushed and got it.
If you don’t mind, didn’t have time to research, what’s the other one, the Denver Group?
Also checked my email, no prowls today,right?
Thanks.
Oster’s threat on outsourcing not getting many scared:
http://sify.com/finance/fullstory.php?id=14752112
I’m not a fan of outsourcing but do realize that globalizaiton is a reality. Renogotiation of the NFTA Act is badly needed. I think O needs to be more detailed on this item.
#391 Liberty Puma
From Real Clear Politics
CBS News 9/01 – 9/03 734 RV Obama 42 McCain 42
Gallup 9/01 – 9/03 2771RV 49 42
Rasmus 9/01 – 9/03 3000LV 50 45
goandersen
Oh, forgot, ladyhawkke’s letter sent also.
Repost:
Anna7000 on 09.04.08 at 4:32 pm
FYI – “Act Blue” which served as one way of making donations to The Denver Group has rejected them and refuse to provide further services because it appears that Act Blue is in the tank for BO and The Denver Group is part of this grassroots effort opposing BO and the DNC’s behaviors. You can read more about it on The Denver Group’s web site where they provide contact info for the head of Act Blue for anyone interested in expressing their views.
http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/2008/09/act-blues-pro-obama-stance-de-lists.html
#402 bruce55555
High Fives!
See # 406
by the way
I read today somewhere, that PALIN´s hubby is native alaskan¡¡¡
#400 slyt2 on 09.04.08 at 5:03 pm #391 LibertyPuma I only know Gallup Daily: No Dent in Obama Lead So Far NEW
September 4, 2008
Barack Obama continues to hold a significant lead over John McCain, 49% to 42%,
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It takes a few days for the bump – it has a ripple effect. Remember that BO did not get a bump till the wkend.
RE: WRITE INS
Per the site posted, does anyone know if when it says “write ins are allowed” if that’s the same as the name you write in actually being counted for that candidate? I’m concerned that in some states, even if you write in a name (i.e. it’s “allowed”) it can ultimately count toward the official candidate on the ticket for that party. Not sure and need to corroborate that. But, given what we’ve seen thus far this year, probably prudent to double, triple, quadruple check with your state SOS and/or county elections board to verify. I’d call to make sure I got the same answer more than once.
#393 BillieJo
Thanks for the kudo’s.
Everyone can do something. NObama November
#411 Anna7000
I recall that the candidate/nominee has to apply for “write-in” status. Since HRC is neither, I think the quadruple check on this is in order.
#362 StaunchPatriot on 09.04.08 at 4:33 pm
I HAVE BEEN DISMISSED SEVERAL
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You have made your point. Please stop using the cap keys in your posts, in blog speak it shows that you are shouting your viewpoint.
Palin can read a teleprompter-but her tone was too sarcastic for me–she is not someone I can support.
http://thejoshuablogs.blogspot.com/2008/09/joe-klein-palin-giuliani-shameful.html
goanderson and Anna 7000
I don’t know much about how rules get put into effect on voting in the different states so I may be asking a silly question. Just bear with me.
Can any state change how the write in’s and blank for presidents votes get counted, say at the last minute?
I’m concerned that this can happen in some of the battleground states just right before the election
I think Obama got 38 million viewers for his Invesco speech?
Sarah Palin got 37 million viewers last night.
Not too shabby!
#412 – Anna7000 – it’s state by state. My current state- Wisconsin – does allow write-in candidates and it is NOT counted for the party candidate – but for the candidate that is written in. In some smaller (local) elections – write-in candidates have actually won – so I know it is ok and actually done here in WI.
I’d suggest that rather than voting Republican and ensuring our country another 4 and possibly 8 years of a horrible economy, downtrodden housing market, high gas and food prices – that you write in Hillary where/when you can to show your support. We all know what happened – but voting for McCain isn’t going to solve that! We need to do what is right for this country as a whole, not just what is felt as a slight to Hillary. If you can’t believe and vote for Obama, write in Hillary – or don’t vote for President – but don’t just give up and vote for McCain out of spite… our country needs something better than we’ve had for the last 8 years… and we’re not going to get it with him (no matter who is VP candidate is!).
anna
Most states do require a candidate to register for the write in to count. My state of SC does not allow write-ins at all
we won’t be able to see any clear trends in the polls until the RNC convention is over
Also at the link update – McCain closes 8 pts gap with B0 – CBS poll BEFORE the speech
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/04/obama-now-its-issues-not-personalities/
I am just now getting started today on blog.PUMAPAC, and on this thread, but I have to say, brilliant post Murphy! Now back up top to begin reading
AND HI NEW ORLEANS PUMA, I NOTICED YOU ARE BACK AND I AM SO GLAD MOST CAME THROUGH WITH LIFE AND LIMB, AND THAT THE PREPARATIONS AND EVACUATIONS WERE WORTH THE EFFORT IN THE INTEREST OF THE SAFETY OF YOUR FELLOW LOUISIANANS AND NEW ORLEANSIANS AND MISSISSIPPIANS AND TEXANS.
RE: WRITE INS
I sent an e-mail to the address on the hillary write in site and will post response if I get one. But, to tell the truth, no disrespect to them, but no matter what they say, I’d still do my own research and would reconfirm the info several times.
Does anyone know where to get this info? Would is be the Sec’y of State or local county elections boards? I’m figuring the SoS, but really have no idea.
Sarah Palin has a long way to go to reach this group of Iowans…. Why does 95% of a White majority state, still cling to Obama ? What do they see in him that we don’t ?
FROM CNN’s Jack Cafferty:
Seems like a long time ago. January 3, 2008. That night, in the dead of winter, the earth moved in Iowa.
In freezing temperatures, Iowans gathered all across the state for their caucuses. Nobody was looking for any big surprises. Hillary Clinton figured she’d win in a walk. She didn’t even bother to campaign there much. But a political unknown had worked his tail off in the Hawkeye state. And when the votes were counted, an improbable journey began.
Barack Obama was on his way, given a huge tailwind by a state that is 95% white. In fact, that night on CNN I remarked that “the only place whiter than Iowa is the North Pole.” And Iowans’ love for the man from Illinois has remained as rock solid as their principles.
Once again Iowa is at the forefront in this presidential campaign. In the latest CNN/Time Magazine/ Opinion Research Corporation poll out yesterday, Obama has surged to a commanding 15 point lead over John McCain. 55% Obama to 40% for John McCain. Iowa was rated a toss-up until yesterday, and with the way the electoral map is shaping up these new numbers are huge for Obama.
On CNN’s electoral map, both Iowa and Minnesota have now been changed from toss-up to leaning Obama, putting the most unlikely candidate for president in our nation’s history tantalizingly close to the magic electoral 270 votes needed for election. There are still eight weeks to go, but make no mistake. If Obama goes all the way, white people in Iowa will be a big part of the reason why.
From National Review: Legal Eagles
Sorry to all our lawyer friends on the blog, but this was an interesting piece of trivia
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NzY3MDJlZjM2MTIyY2JmMTA0NGIyMDg3YzU2YWM3NzY=&w=MQ==
I respect what every individual chooses to do with their vote but must admit that the write in idea makes me very uneasy, I mean, look at all the shenannigans and vote fraud/tampering that has taken place even when the actual names of the candidates are on the ballot! The BO campaign would just LOOOOOOOVE to have a reason to “challange” the legitimacy of those votes. (Alice Palmer comes to mind and the so called challange of the signatures way back when) I’m sure the BO people WILL find some technicality to have those votes counted as their own. Just my humble opinion.
Thanks Queen and others. For those who live in states that don’t allow write-ins, life is simple (ha!). For those where write-ins are allowed, it’s hard to even imagine that writing in Clinton’s name will be a viable option since it’s my impression (and as per other posts here) that the candidate has to go through a process in order to be viable as a write in. Given Clinton’s support of BO, it’s hard to picture her going out of her way to have her name available to be written in in any state.
WOW ! Did anyone see the shouting match between Pat Buchanan and Tingles a few minutes ago ?
Pat said to Chris ” You have a problem with STRONG WOMEN Buddy” I think must have repeated it a least three times !! They were relly going after each other…by the way….Pat WON !1
Very true Anna I too doubt she will file the necessary paperwork.
Just a reminder to those thinking of just leaving the top blank. In 2000, a lot of the hanging chads were resolved by looking at how the ballot was voted down. It leaves you vulnerable if you leave the top blank but vote for down dems. Research all candidates and make the best choice for you (obviously not BO) and own your vote!
re#424
why was it that lily white iowans got all goo goo over obama?
maybe that question can be answered in part by asking why did obama flop in the big racially diverse states?
i think the answer is in there somewhere..
Poll Workers
Please add your name to this list if you finished the prowl.
Please include your state and county (if possible)
Billie Jo – Poll worker (Contra Costa County, CA)
Goandersen – Certified Inspector (San Mateo County, CA)
Antifish – Poll Worker GA
TexasTigress – TX , Panola County
Bruce55555 – Boward County, FL
GoGandalf – Apache County, AZ
tennaseepuma – TN, Bradley County
goofsmom & Hubby – drivign folks to the polls
Anyone else I missed?
It is IMPERATIVE that we have information directly from the Dem parties in each state as to how a write in vote is counted in the Nov. elections.
I live in MD and will check in MD, but will have to find a contact number. I’m going to start with my polling place and my voter card!
LOL
# 428 Sorry about typos……cooking dinner…bbl
I too am uncomfortable with no vote for Prez. A blank is too easy to “fill in”.
come on folks..I know we all are free to vote for whoever we want but please..dont waste your vote by writing in another candidate..please understand that you are wasting your vote and giving obama an advantage..
the urgency of the threat of an obama presidency is real and for the short term we should do what we can to stop him and unfortunately that route is voting for mccain and palin.
#431 – goandersen
I forgot to put where, my bad CA, Riverside County.
We are trying to work it out and possibly do it in Nevada instead. We have friends there that we are coordinating with.
Oh and hubby’s name is Felix (don’t start singing, he hates that song
)
Another anti-Obama article: Wall Street Journal which tends to be conservative and Republican at times, but raises a good historical point about social policy and jobs. Somewhere there has to be a middle.
http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB122049117673697593.html
Sorry PUMAS – Patriot slipped through.
Don’t respond, I removed the last comment.
Can someone please repost the poll worker info for those who missed it?
Thanks.
#435 StaunchPatriot
Email me at
MamaPumaMass@aol.com
thanks
Mama
Poll Workers
Please add your name to this list if you finished the prowl.
Please include your state and county (if possible)
Billie Jo – Poll worker (Contra Costa County, CA)
Goandersen – Certified Inspector (San Mateo County, CA)
Antifish – Poll Worker GA
TexasTigress – TX , Panola County
Bruce55555 – Boward County, FL
GoGandalf – Apache County, AZ
tennaseepuma – TN, Bradley County
goofsmom & Hubby Felix – driving folks to the polls, RiversideCounty, CA
Anyone else I missed?
Anyone else sick of hearing about high gas prices being a platform that Obama will fix?
He BELIEVES that by keeping the gas prices high Americans will turn toward alternative energies faster and curb our “excesses”. He has NO INTENTION on lowering the gas prices.
PERIOD.
434 Maryland PUMA
I agree, too easy to fill in. I don’t like the idea of leaving the top blank.
During the 2000 Pesidential I remember a poll official explaining that if the ballot hadn’t been filled in for President, the entire ballot was discarded. Not sure if it was only during the recount process (which would make sense) or if it was a federal elections rule.
October Surprise
I respect your request, but I cannot and will not vote for McCain/Palin. A write-in or a vote for third party is probably the best I can do. In my state, write-in-votes do not count for or against any candidate. It’s actually a non vote. I will still do what I can to expose O for who he really is and to change the old Democratic Party. As upset as I am witht he DNC, I cannot move to the Republican Party. Please respect my position.
431 goandersen
poll worker – tarrant county, tx
Hope it isn’t true, but they are reporting the dems are boosting Hillary’s role in campaigning for bo to counter Palin. Well, anytime Hillary can get out and campaign so people get to see how great she truly is, can’t be all bad. Just sickening that after all they did to her, they are still expecting her to bring home the votes. That’s bo’s job… guess they know he can’t do it.
http://www.newsday.com/services/newspaper/printedition/thursday/nation/ny-usclin045828629sep04,0,4322864.story
My court clerk was out until Tomorrow. I have talked to her secretary, and will be registering as a poll worker between now and the election. I have a ‘phone appointment’ with her tomorrow morning.
file:///Users/denise/Desktop/VerifiedVoting.org : Guidelines%20for%20Observing%20at%20the%20Polls.webarchive
http://www.eac.gov/voter/poll%20workers
I am sorry for this request.. but I have been a little busy with a small storm called Gustav.. can someone fill me in on how to become a poll official? I live in Texas. I tried to look on the action page, but I could not find it.
Thanks!! nativegirl
Dances,
Not so in WA State. I’ve been an election judge and we never dismissed a ballot because one or the other position was not voted for. Whatever was on the ballot was counted as long as the ballot was legally signed and the person verified as a resident of the precinct and county voting.
Clique? But I don’t belong to a clique here, as long as you don’t like Obama and follow the rules listed in Puma’s membership rules, I don’t have a problem with anyone.
People may not always agree with me here. People may not even know where I’m coming from here. I’m the Puma who can go through a whole range of emotions in a single day. But I feel like I fit here more than anywhere out there. Honestly I don’t know what I would have done if I didn’t happen upon Puma (early on) and got adopted.
I certainly don’t belong to a clique. I belong to a family – a Puma family.
I dont like the idea of leaving the top blank. I cant write in either. But I have to say I am sick to death of being told how to vote and to suck it up. or I am wasting this or doing that. There is a lot of pressure on this election and I wish people would back off and give those of us who can’t just poof be republican a second to breath and make an informed choice…
Sorry had to vent for a sec..Im usually not so cranky
Poll Workers
http://www.eac.gov/voter/poll%20workers
Poll Workers
http://www.eac.gov/voter/poll%20workers
Murphy – I love the donkey, and on it’s back yet. How appropriate!
As for write ins in Utah, unless the candidate applies to be a write in, a vote goes no where, doesn’t count. Hillary did not apply here.
Poll Workers
Please add your name to this list if you finished the prowl.
Please include your state and county (if possible)
Billie Jo – Poll worker (Contra Costa County, CA)
Goandersen – Certified Inspector (San Mateo County, CA)
Antifish – Poll Worker GA
TexasTigress – TX , Panola County
Bruce55555 – Boward County, FL
GoGandalf – Apache County, AZ
tennaseepuma – TN, Bradley County
goofsmom & Hubby Felix – driving folks to the polls, RiversideCounty, CA
Blue Blue Gal – poll worker, Tarrant County, TX
Anyone else I missed?
On Wednesday the rant was for all Republicans to pack their bags and go to hell. (Ouch)
On Thursday the rant was that Republicans are indeed a class act (which we already knew).
The Democratic Party which has practiced selective democracy is still represented here.
What McCain must do tonight to top O:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/02/AR2008090202527.html?hpid=topnews
443 nativegirl
call your county elections headquarters. the info will be on your voters registration card. ask “what procedure/process do i go through to become a volunteer poll worker?” here in tarrant county they have a supersimple form to fill out and return. it took me all of 4 minutes to complete. (i’m in tx too)
Goanderson
Just a reminder that WA and Oregon are all mail-ballot states with the exception of King and Pierce Counties in WA which have both mail and polls. I don’t know any PUMAs in those areas. They are the largest counties in the state unfortunately.
FireChief may know of more people in those areas than I do. The same with Webfoot. Please contact them through Murphy. I’m way south of those counties.
if everything said here & other places are true…
…and the naional & states governments and its institutions are not doing their job in having a security clearence of this guy, something smells fishy everywhere
if they just are going to wait and see if does not win in nov. we are in trouble
because there is as now a +- 50 % that he could win, if he does that would mean that we coud give the extreme unction to the nation
I have a suggestion for anyone who does not want to vote Obama or republican:
If McCain is ahead in the polls in your state by 10 or more points at election day: Vote third party. If it looks close, consider putting him over the top with your vote.
For once, the electoral college may work for us.
Now Obama will put Hillary against Palin. He will continue using Hillary. This is going to be very sad to watch.
Howard Dean hacking the votes… kind of funny, in an odd sort of way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhMUtzOxjJY&NR
FYI
Poll Workers
http://www.eac.gov/voter/poll%20workers
Watching Fox and the commentator (dont’ know her name) said that BO said that his 19 months of campaigning has given him the experience he needs to be commander in chief. Then he noted that Sarah Palin has been at this only 4 days.
Does he really think the American people are that stupid to fall for such an irrational thought? And isn’t he running for President while she’s running for VP? So why is he comparing himself to her?
The irrationality evident in these two statements shows how ill equipped he is for this job.
#456 Henerietta
Good point.
#459 goandersen
Thank you!!
nativegirl
I could call the county auditor here to see about doing election judging, but usually she calls the parties and gets the equal amount to do that in the courthouse. I don’t know if they take poll watchers or independents at the courthouse, but I certainly can call. I happen to be a shirt tail relative through my husband of the auditor so it may not be possible for me to participate.
California Voting Systems: http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_vs.htm
Californa County Election Offices: Obtain Poll worker application:
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_d.htm
#440 ipotter
I hope it isn’t true too. But I don’t doubt it! As I said in a previous post, the only time BO and cronies have respect for women is when they can be useful for self promotion. They only want to use her like they always have. How is that any different than men have been treating women for thousands of years? Ughhh. Makes me angry just to think about it. I do she’d tell them…. never mind.
My County polling contact never responded to my email.
Might have to call & ask for her supervisor…??
TOP PART BLANK AND BALLOT TAMPERING
This year in this election after all of what’s happened I would absolutely under no circumstances leave the top part blank. In addition to the concerns Dances stated, here are other reasons to seriously consider the wisdom of leaving the top part blank:
1. For those who vote with paper ballots, you leave your ballot would be very vulnerable to being tampered with. Where I vote, not only are the ballots paper, we don’t even punch them. We simply draw a line with a black pen connecting the candidate name and the office they’re running for. If left blank, anyone could readily and quickly draw in a line for you.
2. For those voting by paper ballot OR machine ballot, consider Dances warning along with the possibility (I still haven’t confirmed this) that in some states if you leave the top part blank, they will count your vote for the candidate of the party you are a member of. (Seems hard to believe, but…..)
So, for these and likely other reasons, in my view, it’s crucial to vote the top spot somehow, be it for McCain, for a third party candidate, or a write in (after you’ve researched the security of this approach).
#457 caribbeanpuma on 09.04.08 at 5:49 pm
Now Obama will put Hillary against Palin. He will continue using Hillary. This is going to be very sad to watch.
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Sad indeed, having to see Hillary carry this man accross the finish line. Sad to see her being used and then discarted.
It is a rich irony, that Barack Obama should prance out of his faux Greek Temple only to run straight into Diana, the Huntress.
And just like the last guy who did that, he was torn to pieces.
Status Quo Joe
Is Bidens new name…I’m sure it will give everyone a clear picture of the “Fresh new change” Obama was promising.
It is going to be rough when it is time to vote. We all much do our own searching as to how we will vote or if we will stay home. As a PUMA I will not be voting OB. My personal goal is to make sure he does not win. Everyone has their own thoughts and ideas. Just no OB!!!
POLL WORKERS
native girl – check the blue pages (government pages) in the front of your phone book. go to county listings and look up “elections” for the phone no to call.
hillstheone – don’t give up. i left a message. no return call. i submitted an on line form. no return call. called today. they said they hadn’t received the form. the woman took the info over the phone and said to expect some paperwork in the mail. got it calendared. if no paperwork in a couple of days, follow up call and escalate to a supervisor.
Can someone explain to me how becoming a poll worker is going to help our cause? I don’t get it.
#460 Rabblerouser on 09.04.08 at 5:50 pm
Rabble,
He has also taken credit for the success of his campaign when the whole world knows candidates don’t run their own campaigns they have campaign managers that do this. He has gone to the extent of comparing Palin’s executive experience as a mayor and governor to his ‘experience running his campaign’!…….lord have mercy….
TOPIC: Not Letting Them Forget
Here’s a copy of a note I emailed today to mainstream and other media re-their reporting on the Primaries, and a request to investigate the Caucus Fraud charges.
Also, what happened to the “Audacity of Democracy” trailers that were on youtube…
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Just a quick note to again tell you how disappointed and offended I (and so many other lifelong Democrats like me) was with your reporting on the Presidential primaries.
This year’s primaries saw reporters like Keith Olbermann and Rhandi Rhodes continually bashing America’s smartest choice for President – Hillary Clinton – in a nonstop fashion that only served to further divide the Democratic Party and make the announcers look small.
Now that the dust has settled and Obama won, er, stole by caucus fraud, the nomination, one must ask IF and when the media will ever wake themselves up out of their stupor long enough to do their job – that of exposing the biggest caucus fraud to ever fall into the laps of the news media and not be reported on.
Reminder: Please recall it was the mainstream media who fell asleep on the American people and did not illuminate the truth about Iraq until it was too late. I urge you not to let the same mistake be the fate of mainstream media or Americans again.
For more information on Caucus Fraud, visit one of these websites:
http://thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/06/02/updatetexas-caucus-fraud/
An excerpt:
“In all, we know about 40 precincts out of 170 with irregularities, ranging from false delegate counts, to false entries on sign-in sheets for Obama, to a few incidents following the statewide pattern of illegally taking or attempting to take caucus materials from elections judges. Like Greg Palast might say, it doesn’t take much to change the outcome of an election. In El Paso, pro-Hillary volunteers seem to have protected the caucus results so they were similar to the popular vote, but that was not the case in most caucuses.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/27/92144/7994
An excerpt:
35 Primaries with 33.8 million voters have Clinton leading in both votes and delegates.
Caucuses with 1.1 million voters gave Obama 300,000 more votes and 193 more delegates.
….After 47 state elections to date, Obama leads Clinton by 152 pledged delegates. 97% of the difference – 148 delegates – is directly attributable to lopsided victories in caucus contests.
http://www.lynettelong.com/CAUCUSFRAUD/
An excerpt:
NOTE: To help disseminate the information in this website, I’ve created a 98-page report which summarizes my key findings and includes a sample of stories from each state. It’s in pdf form, so it’s suitable for emailing and printing out.
You may also find info here – a well-respected & unaffiliated website (note Hillary Clinton won the Popular Vote):
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/
Or, you can google “Audacity of Democracy.”
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p.s. here’s a few email addresses if you’d like them:
letters@msnbc.com
rrhodes@airamericaradio.com
contact@airamerica.com
I just gotta yell it:
WELCOME BACK PUMA PAC!
Now, nobody mess up my euphoria…..ok?
# 460 Rabblerouser
And not to mention wasn’t she busy being a governor while he was busy (campaigning) where he took at least two vacations from. Idiot!
Obama not ready to lead but able to take vacations
#474 Noblecascade on 09.04.08 at 6:01 pm
Can someone explain to me how becoming a poll worker is going to help our cause? I don’t get it.
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To keep the general election from the fraud that was in the primary. PUMA eyes will be watching to make sure the vote is honest.
Prowl update… I’m lame. Called the State Party Chair again and asked for their breakdown of the breakfast vote. Again they said they would email it, and again they did not do it. Will call again tomorrow.
On becoming a poll worker. I haven’t gotten that one done either, been a little busy and it will probably mean a trip downtown on work time, but do intend to do it. Have their address and phone number and am working on it.
********* VISITS TO MY EBAY SELLING OF DONC ****
I HAVE HAD 11 HITS AND TWO MESSAGES… THEY ARE BELOW:
spaceball1097
From: barbaraw58
Item: DEMOCRATIC (OBAMA) NATIONAL COMMITTEE (230288207913)
Subject: Re: Question for item #230288207913 – DEMOCRATIC (OBAMA) NATIONAL COMMITTEE
Q: Can I put thess jackasses to work? I worry they might sue me if I put them to work for 8 hours every day without healthcare coverage. They might demand private jets, their own bodyguard, limousine to drive them around after work and reservation with 5 star restaurant. I think you’re selling some high maintenance jackasses, I can’t afford it. Maybe Donald Trump might put a bid, but 99 cents is too high, can you lower it to half a penny? He might buy it, and send them all to work in construction. Damn! Nancy Pelosi with her botox face, shoveling dirt and wearing hard hat! LOL
ONE ASKED TO ADD THE COUNTER SO THEY COULD SEE HOW MANY VISITS I HAD!….lol
SO FAR 11 HITS
444 halligan
Dances, Not so in WA State.
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Good to know, and as it should be, but I’m not sure how it works in all the states.
Personally I’m not going to do anything gimmicky or anything that leaves room for tampering. I don’t trust any of them, at any stage of the voting process.
#477 Maryland PUMA
I just gotta yell it:
WELCOME BACK PUMA PAC!
Now, nobody mess up my euphoria…..ok-
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Peace in the den. Priceless.
The Palin Phenom
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=9592332&ch=4226716&src=news
#474 Noblecascade
Being a poll worker will allow us to monitor how the polls are handled and provide eye witness accounts to any fraud or intimidation we see.
The voter fraud and intimidation was rampant in the primaries. We are just now beginning to uncover the depths of it and expose it.
There is no reason to think they will not attempt this in November.
#482 Dances with Pumas – I totally agree with you – giving these people even the slightest opportunity to tamper with my vote is not acceptable – we all know what methods they used in the caucus and primaries with dead people voting – busing in from other states – etc etc – I want to sleep at night knowing that my vote counted for whom ever I wanted to put there.
TO POLL WORKERS
I’d recommend bring a notebook at the very least to document the details of anything fishy that you may witness. Date, time, parties involved, circumstances, etc.
Palin is fabulous! I love her! She is smart and I truely believe she wants to fight corruption in Washington.
It is the corruption in Washington that has caused all our problems, time to clean house. This is our best chance for the future. I’m ready to break the glass ceiling. Cindy McCain had a lunch in her honor today.
She had a couple of women from Rawanda there. They were telling her that women were over 50% represented in their government. She also said that they would think it was “strange” if a man didn’t select a woman to run with him for office!!! Makes you think, huh? Cindy supports women and children and does tons of charity work. Obamas politics of fear are unfounded about womens issues.
Sarah Palin was strong and smart and made me proud to be an American and inspired me to have hope for the future! She gets my vote and support all the way! I hate how the women dumped on her and did the dirty work for the men in the media. Notice that? I didn’t like it and I won’t forget it either.
241 JackOkie on 09.04.08 at 3:12 pm If I may add one more point –
The (elephant in the room, slippery slope, etc, pick your cliche) is the utilitarian argument for abortion. In parts of Europe today, old folks are terminated without their consent because their quality of life is determined by others to be insufficient. Once life and death decisions are decided by what is convenient, the potential for unintended consequences is pretty scary.
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This, too, is a scare tactic that the conservatives use, that others will decide to euthanize their elderly relatives because of convenience. Any act can be taken to the extreme; should we then ban abortion (or euthanasia) for all because a few might abuse it? The Liberals say no, the conservatives say yes.
I am irritated that OB would snub Hillary and then use her again. I am also a bit upset that Hillary would allow this. Is the party so important to her that she would allow herself to be used like this? Please, any input to calm me down would be appreciated.
#477 Maryland PUMA
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
in cnn p.t.
they said that because of palin speech
obama raised 8m today
BS
that is the same technique as used after HILLAY´s victories
Hi Pumas – especially TrishFromCanada:
Am back from my training to be an election judge – honest to god – the book is 68 frickin’ pages………..
Most of it pertains to setting up the polling place, checking the machines, initialing the ballots (2 people), registering voters, confirming – there are several rules that govern voting. In Minnesota you are allowed to register the same day you vote – a form of ID is required & the various ID’s are listed, also can use a copy of a utility bill (phone, cell phone, water, electricity, etc.) 30 prior to or 30 days after due date – voucher -person who is vouching for someone else must sign an oath attesting to the new registrant’s residence in the precinct. There are also rules governing students, but since Champlin doesn’t have college students, not an issue. The primary election is strictly partisan vote.
General election – wide open, write-in votes are allowed (yay, I can write in Hillary or Mickey Mouse or Minnie, anybody I want).
I cannot wear any campaign buttons or tee shirts, etc. I believe I will not be able to wear my PUMA bracelet – forgot to ask – will find out on Tuesday when we have the beauty contest.
If you have any questions, please send me email:
susiepuma@gmail.com – 68 pages is too much to print here……………………………..
4hillinca,
“I am irritated that OB would snub Hillary and then use her again,” you’re not the only one.
I just went to that newsday link potter posted above & blogged on there. Felt good…
#487 Anna7000 on 09.04.08 at 6:07 pm
TO POLL WORKERS
I’d recommend bring a notebook at the very least to document the details of anything fishy that you may witness. Date, time, parties involved, circumstances, etc.
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If we are working in the polls and see abuse, is just writing it down all we can do. It’s just our word against the establishment. We need proof.
TOPIC: Mourning
Anybody else (besides being Mad As Hell) going through mourning besides me..? Damn I still can’t believe the lies, deception & intimidation in Denver, where did we go wrong…
p.s. Also, where did that youtube trailer for Audacity go, has it been wiped off the internet or..??
#481 bmw60 -
I think you should email the MSM’s and let them know about the ebay sale – see if any of them pick it up and run with it – I personally think it’s hilarious – let the big ‘bots’ know what we (me) think of them – gotta stop being inclusive – I can’t speak for everyone, only myself
Does anybody know how many states allow people to register and vote on the same day?
This disturbs me – How easy is this for fraud and corruption???
#492 storytellers on 09.04.08 at 6:10 pm
in cnn p.t.
they said that because of palin speech
obama raised 8m today
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Fortunately for us , hee doesn’t know how to turn those dollars into votes. Remember he recently outspent McCain 5 to 3 and still lost ALL of his advantage in the polls.
Poll monitor is necessary but it is a prevention.
Are there any good ideas for a Obama cure ?
When John King of CNN brings up his magic map, I get very worried.
#493 Susie1945
Am back from my training to be an election judge – honest to god – the book is 68 frickin’ pages………..
Most of it pertains to setting up the polling place, checking the machines, initialing the ballots (2 people), registering voters, confirming – there are several rules that govern voting. In Minnesota you are allowed to register the same day you vote – a form of ID is required & the various ID’s are listed, also can use a copy of a utility bill (phone, cell phone, water, electricity, etc.) 30 prior to or 30 days after due date – voucher -person who is vouching for someone else must sign an oath attesting to the new registrant’s residence in the precinct. There are also rules governing students
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I am sure cupcake has people working on all these loopholes, signing utility bills to multiple people, the fraud train is loaded and ready to roll again in November. Here we go. What can we do? We don’t have enough PUMAs nor poll workers to watch over the process.
#490 4hillinca Well, it seems when Hillary “campaigns” for bo, she uses his name as little as possible. That is great, in my opinion. But, I don’t like it either that they are putting this on her. However, for some odd reason, some people think Hillary is the “b word”. (Even my dentist told me that was what he thought of her until he heard her speak… how people can prejudge her like that is beyond me, but many, many continue to do so)… anyway, getting off topic. As long as she is getting exposure and people can get to know her and how wonderful she really is, it may not be so bad, and actually might help her in 2012. But that’s my way of justifying it… but it is really lousy that they aren’t even going to hold bo accountable for bringing in the votes. And, really, Hillary deserves a vacation.
Headclunker
Murphy & Pumas:
“Could we send Palin and Guiliani some Orange Roses from PUMApac?”
- Why not, I’m in. For Palin, anyway, forget Guilliani. He’s got that “whitey” tape & not doing anything w/it…
Caught a question from o’reilly to cupcake on faux news earlier – a ‘teaser’ to watch the debate tonite – from that one question sounds like a lightweight scripted waste of time – too little, too late (won’t change by mind course I loathe cupcake so……………………….)
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Poll Worker
I called the election board several days ago re; “challenger”/poll worker. Initially the person could not give me an answer. She returned my call after checking it out. It seems here in NJ one must be sponsored by a Party candidate. I have to get in writing the endorsement/sponsorship of a candidate then submit it to the board. I am now an independent! Haven’t decided what I will do yet.
I also asked the election office if I could have a count of the number of voters changing party afffiliation since Jan 08. It is called “Open Public Record Account”. I just wanted to see how many changed from Dem to Indep
Monitoring the Polls
I’d be a lot more interested in volunteering my precious time if there was a candidate I truly cared about.
Selfish? Yeah, I guess I am.
I’m outta here, too, I’ll come back later when someone responds to my posts OR I’m in a better mood.
A tip for poll workers. Call your city councilman or your congressional district representative. They often are the ones who man the polls.
BBL Puma’s
I’m gonna’ take a quick nap before giving the blow by blow from the BO O’Rielly show.
#504 Susie1945
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Yea, probably too many restrictions to get real questions asked and answered.
Someone keep this list going please!
PUMA ASSIGNMENT
WRITE IN VOTE INFO BY STATE
(who is going to get the info from their state)
Maryland – MarylandPUMA
NJ1313 – Interesting experience. Seems that it disenfranchises folks who are not a member of a specific party. But, being an Indpendent may not preclude you from having a candidate sponsor you. In fact, since both parties are going after Indpendents you may find that it’s quite easy to be sponsored by one of the major parties. They may even fight over you! Might be worth a try, no?
There’s a difference between being a poll worker
and being a poll WATCHER or MONITOR
A Poll Worker is hired and paid by the State
A Poll Watcher/Monitor is there as part of a VOLUNTEER group which has received permission from the Supervisor of Elections to monitor/watch the election.
Not all poll watchers/monitors will be allowed inside the
actual voting room – usually one from each group.
Just Saying.
No one put my name down and I have volunteered several times that I am a paid Poll Worker in Florida.
#495 Billiejo,
Much of the fraud/violation of rules/voter intimidation etc. was caught on camera by regular folks during the primaries and posted on youtube. Maybe just taking your cellphone/camera with you would be good.
Here’s one link and I have seen many others like this specially at caucases.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=GNrwOxYKJIA&feature=related
I sent Geraldine Ferraro a note today. She was the 1st woman to run for vp. Also told her Pumas color was orange.
Essex County, NJ Board Worker
http://www.roselandnj.org/questions_forms/essex_county_board_worker.htm
#494 hillstheone
#502 ipotter
Thanks….I just get so upset at times.
Phil Berg on radio NOW. See Post #336 for link
#501 billiejo –
acceptable bills; if they have voter’s name and current address in the precinct:
Utility bills (regardless if delivered electronically or by mail) due within 30 days of Election Day: telephone, television or internet service provider regardless of how the service is delivered; such as cable or satellite TV, landline, cell or VOIP telephones, etc.
Electric, gas, water, garbage or sewer, and solid waste
Has the voter’s name and current address in the precinct
We have a map of our precinct and we check the address against that map
Minnesota has done a pretty good job of making sure that fraud is not comitted but have to admit a crook will always find a way
Don’t know what other states do – also we tested the machines with sample ballots and printed out results – the machines were then checked and sealed until Tuesday – there is another training class tonite – those people will only be able to run sample ballots and get a printout – will not be able to open or check machine – it is sealed with a green plastic arrest cord (you know the things I’m talking about) you need a chain saw to cut through them………………………….
512
I was thinking the same.
#351 Middle age female wrote:
“I love tivo!!!”
Ya I love my Tivo. Tivo and TCM, classic movie goodness!
thanks for the info Maryland Puma and BillieJo….as for using Hillary…I am disappointed in her. I emailed her and told her she caved in to their demands. I was disappointed in her and Bill at the DNC convention. I made me very sad.
Lobbydelegates e-mailed me and thanked me for the thank you. they also asked for my input re what to do with the site. I was goingto respond saying possibly they could lobby for candidates who are up for election/reelection. Anyone have any other ideas???
Poll Workers
Please add your name to this list if you finished the prowl.
Please include your state and county (if possible)
Billie Jo – Poll worker (Contra Costa County, CA)
Goandersen – Certified Inspector (San Mateo County, CA)
Antifish – Poll Worker GA
TexasTigress – TX , Panola County
Bruce55555 – Boward County, FL
GoGandalf – Apache County, AZ
tennaseepuma – TN, Bradley County
goofsmom & Hubby Felix – driving folks to the polls, RiversideCounty, CA
Blue Blue Gal – poll worker, Tarrant County, TX
Kelligesq – poll worker, Florida
Anyone else I missed?
Poll Monitor Rules (Different from Poll Worker)
Each state has its own rules about the rights of citizens to monitor election procedures. It is the responsibility of each poll monitor or observer to find out what rules apply in your local area! If you need to obtain credentials prior to be permitted to observe at close range (i.e. within the polling place itself, or anywhere closer than 100 feet away), you must do so in advance of Election Day. There may be deadlines; contact your county official to find out all relevant information. (You can get county election official contact information from this web page:
http://verifiedvoting.org/verifier/index.php?state=&topic_string=1019 .)
Billie Joe
but
the republicans also are going to keep eyes on the elections
the primaries they just were against the same party and that was really hard to report
the rep. are going to be watch dogs at every voting site
To obtain Poll Worker information for Counties in Ohio:
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/elections/boeDirectory.aspx
EXCERPTS FROM VIDEOS FROM THE CA DEM PARTY WEB SITE FROM THE 3 DELEGATION BREAKFASTS. I consider this evidence of a subtle form of pressure being applied to candidates. The only speaker who didn’t push Obama was Gov. Patterson from NY. For that, I sent him a “thank you”. There were speakers from many different states. Thought some on the blog might find stuff they want to pluck out for any letters they might write to various elected officials.
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9/3/08
Notes from videos on CA Dem Party web site from 3 breakfast meetings at the convention.
MONDAY 8/25 BREAKFAST
Art Torres, CA Dem Party Chair: Makes a rather ironic statement while referring to voter demographics: “…it’s the women who win elections in 2008.”
Dean Florez, CA State Senator: Observes how quiet the CA delegation is; Alinsky style, instructs delegates to “stand and join in a chant” says their “mantra at this convention” should be “We are one!!!” States, “…will make sure Barack Obama becomes our next President.”
Art Torres: Before introducing next speaker notes that “Obama raised 42 million in CA.”
John Garamendi, CA Lt. Gov: Pitches Obama and the whole “yes we can” chant
John Chiang, State Controller: Pushes Obama
Debra Bowen, Sec’y of State: Discusses constitutional right to vote, the importance of ballots being honored, counted, etc. Referring to the GE, notes that in CA, we wouldn’t do anything to contribute to an unwanted presidency; makes a big issue of types of voting machines and wanting to do everything possible to make sure all voting is accurate.
TUESDAY 8/26 BREAKFAST
David Patterson, NY Gov: Thanks the CA delegation; notes that it is the “largest and greatest delegation” at the convention; states “we need to join hands and help our new president….”; makes no mention of Obama; when he mentions Clinton, you can hear applause.
Ted Strickland, Ohio Gov: “We will make history by electing the first African American President of the United States of America.”
Joe Manchin, VA Gov: Address Obama and VA demographics, noting that VA is the whitest state in the nation; shares that he advised Obama that folks in VA just need to get to know him; pushes Obama.
Chet Culver, Gov Iowa: Pushes Obama
WEDNESDAY 8/27 BREAKFAST
Reverend Murph, Los Angeles AME Church: Leads prayer in preparation for Thursday’s convention; Thanks Clinton, Obama, and their supporters; “Bring us together as one….Bring us together and unite us.”; ends with “In the name of Jesus.” (quite offensive given all the hoopla about how CA’s delegation was the most diverse!)
Barbara Boxer, CA Senator: Unity; elect Obama; trying to get people to cheer re: this message.
John Kerry, MA Senator: “This is about democracy folks!”; discusses his support for Obama and mentions knowing there are a lot of Clinton supporters in the delegation.
Claire McCaskill, MO Senator: Wants to live in a state that gets it that Obama needs to be the next President of the United States; expresses pride in Hillary the previous night and states we should all be filled with pride…so proud of Clinton, especially regarding her behavior “after the primary process had shut down and Barack had won”; Implores the delegates to get outside of their comfort zone and to commit to the next 70 days by doing such things as talking with EVERYONE about Obama, talk to the dry cleaners, the grocer, etc. (very BO campaign style).
sorry, meant pressure applied to delegates, not candidates.
This is for California –
Summary of QUALIFICATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS for
Write-In Candidates for the
March 7, 2000 Primary Election
or the
November 7, 2000 General Election
I. QUALIFICATIONS
NOTE: General qualifications which all candidates must meet in order to run as write-in candidates for various offices:
A. A candidate for United States Senator shall:
1. Be at least 30 years of age, a U.S. citizen for nine years, and a resi-dent of California when elected. U.S. Const. Art. I, §3
2. Have a valid voter registration affidavit on file in the county of residence at the time nomination papers are obtained. §201
B. A candidate for Member, House of Representatives, shall:
1. Be at least 25 years of age, a U.S. citizen for seven years, and a resi-dent of California when elected. U.S. Const. Art. I, §2
2. Have a valid voter registration affidavit on file in the county of residence at the time nomination papers are obtained. §201
C. A candidate for State Legislative office shall:
1. Be a U.S. citizen. Cal. Const. Art. IV, §2(c)
2. Be a registered voter and otherwise qualified to vote for that office at the time nomination papers are issued to the person. §201
3. Not have served two terms in the State Senate since November 6, 1990, if a candidate for State Senate; not have served three terms in the State Assembly since November 6, 1990, if a candidate for State Assembly. Cal. Const. Art. IV, §2(a)
II. General Requirements
In general, write-in candidates must file declarations of write-in candidacy and submit nomination sponsor signatures, as well as meet campaign disclosure requirements. They do not pay filing fees. The specific requirements follow.
A. CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE FILINGS AND RESPONSIBILITIES
Any individual who intends to be a candidate for an elective office shall:
1. For state legislative offices comply with the following Political Reform Act requirements:
a. Statement of Intention
File with the Secretary of State Political Reform Division an original and one copy of a state-ment of intention to be a candidate for a specific office (Form 501). This statement shall be signed under penalty of perjury and filed prior to the solici-tation or receipt of any con-tribu-tion or loan. Gov. Code §85200
b. Campaign Contribution Account
Establish one campaign contribution account at an office of a financial institution located in California upon filing the statement of intention.
1. An original and one copy of a statement setting forth the name of the financial institution, the loca-tion, and the account number shall be filed with the Secretary of State Political Reform Division within 10 days of establishing the account (Form 502).
2. All contributions or loans made to the candi-date, to a person on behalf of the candidate, or to the candidate’s controlled committee shall be deposit-ed in the account.
3. Any personal funds which will be used to pro-mote the election of the candidate shall be depos-ited in the account prior to expendi-ture.
4. All campaign expenditures shall be made from the ac-count. Gov. Code §85201
c. Exceptions
1. Parts a and b(3) and (4), above, do not apply to a candidate’s pay-ment of a filing fee and statement of quali-fica-tions fee from his or her personal funds. Gov. Code §§85200 & 85201(f)
2. Part b, above, does not apply if the candidate does not re-ceive contributions and makes campaign expenditures from personal funds of less than $1,000 in a calen-dar- year, excluding pay-ment of the filing fee and statement of qualifi-ca-tions fee. Gov. Code §85201(g)
If such candidate later spends $1,000 or more in a calendar year, he or she must establish a campaign contribution account before the $1,000 expenditure threshold is reached. The required account information shall be filed with the Secretary of State Political Reform Division within 5 days of estab-lishing the account. Gov. Code §85201(h)
2. For federal offices, the write-in candidate should contact the Federal Election Commission at 999 E Street, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20463 or call toll-free 1-800-424-9530 for a copy of the Federal Election Campaign Act, As Amended, related regulations giving the filing requirements for reporting campaign contributions, and the forms on which to file.
B. STATEMENT OF WRITE-IN CANDIDACY
1. The statement of write-in candidacy shall contain the following information:
a. candidate’s name;
b. candidate’s complete residence address;
c. a declaration stating that the candidate is a write-in candidate;
d. the name of the office for which the candidate is running;
e. the party nomination which the candidate seeks, if running in a primary election; and
f. the date of the election. §8600*
2. The statement of write-in candidacy shall set forth in full the oath or affirmation provided in Section 3 of Article XX of the California Constitution. §200
3. For the primary election, the statement of write-in candidacy must be filed between January 10 and February 22, 2000. §8601
4. For the general election, the statement of write-in candidacy must be filed between September 11 and October 24, 2000. §8601
C. FILING FEE
Write-in candidates are not required to pay filing fees. §8604
* The candidate does not have to be registered with the party in which he or she is seeking to run as a write-in, nor with any qualified political party. He or she must be registered to vote in California. There is also no party affiliation or disaffiliation requirement as there is for certified candidates whose names are printed on the ballot.
D. NOMINATION PAPERS
1. The required number of signers to a write-in candidate’s nomination paper for the respective offices are as follows:
a. U.S. Senate: Not less than 65 nor more than 100. §8062(a)(1)
b. Member of House of Representatives or State Legislative Office: Not less than 40 nor more than 60. §8062(a)(2)
c. Signers must be of the same political party as the party in which the write-in candidate is seeking nomination. §8603
2. For the primary election, between January 10 and February 22, 2000, circulate nomination papers for signatures and leave them for examination with the county elections official of the county in which the signers reside. §8601
3. For the general election, between September 11 and October 24, 2000, circulate nomination papers for signatures and leave them for ex-amination with the county elections official of the county in which the signers reside. §8601
4. If the candidate appoints persons to circulate the nomination paper, such appointment must be in writing. The candidate shall file appointment of circulator documents with the county elections official on or before the date the nomination papers are left for filing. §§8042 & 8065
(a) Circulators shall be voters in the district in which the candidate is seeking election, if running for a district office; circulators shall be registered voters in California if the candidate is seeking statewide office. §8066
(b) Circulators shall circulate the nomination papers only in the district in which the candidate is seeking election if running for a district office; circulators shall circulate only in their county of residence if the candidate is seeking statewide office. §8066
(c) If the district includes more than one county, the circulator shall circulate the petition only in the county in which he or she resides. §8065
5. Each section of the nomination paper shall be delivered to the county elections official of the county in which the signer resides and is a voter not later than February 22, 2000 for the primary election and October 24, 2000 for the general election. §8063
E. PRIMARY ELECTION WRITE-IN CANDIDATES QUALIFYING TO HAVE NAME PRINTED ON GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT
In order for a write-in candidate in the primary election to qualify as the nominee of a political party and have his or her name printed on the general election ballot, he or she must receive more votes than any other candidate running for the party’s nomination and must also receive write-in votes equal to at least 1% of all votes cast for that office at the last preceding general election at which the office was filled. A list indicating the minimum number of votes required to obtain the write-in nomination is attached. §8605
F. STATEMENT OF ECONOMIC INTERESTS
Each state candidate except those running for Congress and U.S. Senate must file a Statement of Economic Interests with the county elections official disclosing investments, interests in real property, and any income received during the immediately preceding 12 months pursuant to the requirements of the Political Reform Act of 1974, As Amended. Gov. Code §87201
Candidates for federal office may have similar requirements under federal law and should contact the Federal Election Commission.
This statement is to be filed bet-ween January 10 and February 22, 2000 for the March 7, 2000 Primary Election. It is not required if the candidate has filed such a statement within the past sixty days for the same jurisdiction.
This statement is to be filed bet-ween September 11 and October 24, 2000 for the November 7, 2000 General Election. It is not required if the candidate has filed such a statement within the past sixty days for the same jurisdiction.
III. CANVASS OF WRITE-IN VOTES
A. No name written upon a ballot in any election shall be counted for an office or nomination unless the candidate whose name has been written on the ballot has been certified as a write-in candidate. §15341
1. See Title 2 California Code of Regulations §§20101-20105, attached, for provisions relating to the canvass of incomplete write-in votes.
B. The name of a write-in candidate shall be written by hand upon a ballot. The use of pressure-sensitive stickers or methods other than handwriting of indicating the name of the write-in candidate are not valid, and a name indicated by any such method shall not be counted. §15342
274 Maryland PUMA on 09.04.08 at 3:30 pm
Maybe I have a simplisitic approach to this, but as I see it, in order to reform the Dem party, you need to get rid of those that are destroying it – BO and his backers. It is therefore necessary to see to it that BO loses this election. As I’ve stated repeatedly, the only way to ensure that BO loses is to make sure the other guy wins (that’s done usually by voting for him). Many people have had trouble with this for various reasons. The addition of Palin to McCain’s ticket has made it easier for some people to accept voting for the opposite party. Not because of her views, but because of her toughness and her willingness to speak the truth about BO that Hillary couldn’t do. I also think that everyone sees the Repub. defending her as the Dems never did for Hillary.
This blog hasn’t changed, but the realities are harsh. With election day not far away, each of us has to decide if we really want BO and the Dems to lose. If we do, then we don’t have many options in accomplishing that task.
Sorry it was so long, but looks like they don’t address write-ins for President as a quick glance.
I would not do it, I don’t trust them.
More Poll Worker Info
http://www.pollworker.us/articles%202005/kuznik_10-31-05_pollworker.html
Oregon
Pollworkers are found everywhere. Even in Oregon, where they vote by mail, citizens still assist on election boards and help process ballots as they come in. Different states may call them Judge of Elections, Inspector of Elections, Clerk, Machine Operator, even Deputy in some areas, but all these workers are sworn officials who are in our polling places to operate and control our elections on the local level. Pollworkers have incredible access to the entire voting process, and they are an important component of our electoral system.
Sen. Biden’s Daughter Arrested in Altercation
August 04, 2002 in print edition A-15
The daughter of Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) was arrested on a misdemeanor charge of obstructing a police officer outside a Chicago bar.
Ashley Blazer Biden, 21, of Wilmington, Del., was with a group of people on a North Side street where several bars are located when someone else threw a bottle at an officer, police said.
When police tried to arrest another person, Biden blocked the officer’s path and made intimidating statements, officer JoAnn Taylor said
#526 storytellers on 09.04.08 at 6:34 pm
Billie Joe
but
the republicans also are going to keep eyes on the elections
the primaries they just were against the same party and that was really hard to report
the rep. are going to be watch dogs at every voting site
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I hope the Republican’s will also be watch dogs so the voting is honest. Where I live and worked at a polling place, no one was watching but the workers.
#17 Pm on 09.04.08 at 12:38 pm Hillarys positions were moderate, not far left liberal like O’s. Hillarys positions are closer to McCains than O’s.
Far left or Far right- thats no way to govern when 90% of Americans are actually moderate.
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Is there some way to form a new party of the 90% of the middle moderates. NO extremests welcome. No far right welcome. No far left welcome. We are a party of the middle.
My feeling is the middle is a silent majority. the extremes are the ones rocking the boats.
my best friends brother in law has worked at the polls here in Ohio for years where I vote every year, I will ask him to put me in contact with the proper person here .
BMW
I cant find it!
522 Noblecascade on 09.04.08 at 6:30 pm
thanks for the info Maryland Puma and BillieJo….as for using Hillary…I am disappointed in her. I emailed her and told her she caved in to their demands. I was disappointed in her and Bill at the DNC convention. I made me very sad.
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We were all sad that Hillay came to the conclusion that her own party stabbed her in the back and threatened her delegates. Hillary is the last person I would ever blame, I will continue to fight for her and respect her in what ever she is forced to do to be effective in the party ideals she has worked so hard for. To be angry at her to me is like being angry at a woman that has been raped.
Love the essay, Murphy. Nicely done, really. But I respectfully want to point out – as someone who comes from a “downhome ranch family” (I’m not sure what a “shotgun family” is. . . we did have hunting rifles, does that qualify?) we did have more dogs, and loved them. What do you have against dogs? (I have 4, so sue me.) And your inference that we don’t keep count of our children – HUH? This is precisely the trash that shows everyone how truly elitist and intolerent the Dems are. Really, thanks for the insults.
Don’t mean to offend. Just please see it as food for thought and think about it.
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ITS UNDER TELEVISION MEMORABILIA
#538 slyt2 on 09.04.08 at 6:46 pm
my best friends brother in law has worked at the polls here in Ohio for years where I vote every year, I will ask him to put me in contact with the proper person here ——-
I am really worried about Ohio, are they also one of the states that a person can register and vote the same day? If you can, can you try and find out what we can do to make sure voting in your state will not be corrupted by the pretenders thugs?
318 Maryland PUMA on 09.04.08 at 4:00 pm @293 virginia puma
This PAC is not working toward active support of or the election of McCain/Palin.
I’m here for democracy and NOBAMA, not McCainGain.
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It’s my impression that this PAC is working toward defeating BO. However, as I’ve stated before, the only way to defeat BO is to get McCain to win. If not A, then B…NOBAMA unfortunately means McCainGain and Win.
Oh, I keep hearing people talking about Piper Palin licking her baby brother’s hair…it didn’t show on the channel I watched.
Here is one of many youtube videos on it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn-OctEgKvE&feature=related
Pennsylvania Primary Produces Problems
April difficulties point areas of concern for November
By Marybeth Kuznik, VotePA
http://www.votePA.us/newsarchive/2008/primaryproblems.html
#544
what I am going to do with my vote is make a good use of it, that clearly defeats obingo
Reposting this from last night.
In one speech, Sarah Palin defined BO to the nation. She accomplished in one night what Pumas and others have been writing about for months.
Classic Rudy -
Biden better get it in writing about being the VP nominee because of BO’s flip flops.
BO has had months to show that he’s a leader. At every step, he’s demeaned voters of his own party, delegates, and other nominees. I have my disagreements about the Rep. agenda. However, a McCain/Palin ticket puts the needs of the country first.
#543 BillieJo If you can, can you try and find out what we can do to make sure voting in your state will not be corrupted by the pretenders thugs?
I can try but I am not sure if I can get someone to really give me a straight answer, Michelle47 is from Ohio too, maybe she can volunteer too, also 18millioncracks is but i think she left this blog does anyone know? BO is coming strong for Toledo
This is a very good article about the media and BO.
Also, bonus videos about Palin kicking butt.
http://savagepolitics.com/?p=1695
#545
that is cute
Oh crap I will be on and off my Washington Redskins coming on at 7:00 GO SKINS.
Obama background on Glenn Beck…Now!
#49 storytellers on 09.04.08 at 6:10 pm in cnn p.t.
they said that because of palin speech
obama raised 8m today
BS
that is the same technique as used after HILLAY´s victories
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BS – it’s just another ‘opportunity’ for BO to take out some of his hidden – illegal/foreign?? – money.
Very convenient!!
KEEP THE FAITH
greta
#546 goandersen Hummm wonder how many states experienced problems such as these and why.
Im tempted to send that to the press! LOL
Obama: Surge Succeeded Beyond ‘Wildest Dreams’
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
Two BO book writers about his background on Glenn Beck right now.
Clinton Vs Palin in Florida?
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2008/09/clinton-vs-pali.html?cid=129155648#comment-129155648
Does 18millioncracks(or something like that) still come here, what about bythelake they are both from Ohio. As a matter of fact there use to be at 6 people from Ohio on here that I knew of from different parts of Ohio which would be great for this poll voter thing.
Hail to the SKINS. Just got back and now off again to see my SKINS!!!!
bmw60
You have a bid
If i win send me the invoice and will pay all fees for the auction everything and you can donate it to PUMA
Thanks and a great day
“Are we ruling the world yet? I want to know?”
I want a girl quarterback in the NFL! I kid you not!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpI_5elcJtQ
#545 kat in your hat: That is so disgusting. I saw her KISS his little head, period. What is wrong with people?
I have never EVER once heard a conservative say something deragatory about Obama’s children. Piper Palin is a little girl, for God’s sake!
562 im4hillaryonly
give me the link i can’t find it
Ohio is allowing “provisional ballots” with no ID. I don’t know if this will hurt or help voter fraud…
“A provisional ballot is used to record a vote when there is some question in regards to a given voter’s eligibility. A provisional ballot would be cast when:
The voter refuses to show a photo ID (in regions that require one)
The voter’s name does not appear on the electoral roll for the given precinct.
The voter’s registration contains inaccurate or out-dated information such as the wrong address or a misspelled name.
The voter’s ballot has already been recorded
Whether a provisional ballot is counted is contingent upon the verification of that voter’s eligibility.
In the 2004 US Presidential Election, controversy arose out of arguments regarding the interpretation of the criteria for determining the eligibility of voters using provisional ballots. Many allege that these discrepancies of interpretations, particularly in Ohio, may have been a deciding factor in the outcome of the election. In the 2004 election, at least 1.9 million provisional ballots were cast, and 676,000 were never counted due to various states’ rules on counting provisional ballots. [1]
A guarantee that a voter could cast a provisional ballot if he or she believes that they are entitled to vote was one of the guarantees of the Help America Vote Act of 2002.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_ballot
Obama will be interviewed by Bill O’Reilly at 8:00 eastern time, FOX.
#554 gordana If bo raised 8 million, why are they soliciting for donations like crazy? They sent an email asking for money at 3am ! (odd coincidence) Went to the mail box and there is another letter asking for money. I think you are absolutely correct on the foreign money. They try to get a bunch of smaller donation too in order to make the numbers harder to sort out (my theory anyway).
BMW you have 21 hits
BMW~ I was gonna bid but I really wanted wasserman, wexler and fowler thrown in. Sorry
Here is the link to ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230288207913
Vermont says that elections are open to the public and observers are welcomed. Whoever runs each polling place can set certain rules (no cell phones, no photographs), but basically it seems that I could go and sit quietly and observe.
But this is also Vermont and you have to understand that if there is any fraud, it probably won’t be in VT. NH on the other hand is more of a concern because its a swing state.
Uh-oh! We find out what community organizing really was: a pay job for some churches?
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/04/so-obama-was-working-for-some-churches/
#554 Rabblerouser
Forcing the McCain/Palin issue repetitively is alienating to many of our members. There are MANY who WILL NOT vote McCain. There are MANY who have aligned well with third parties. There are many who will, sadly, not vote. There are several other options if one cares to think and explore them.
We have always been an inclusive blog and always been anti-BO. Our focus has always been on exposing BO and the DNC for the shiesters and frauds they are.
The excessive promotion and vetting of McCain does not belong here and already has a home with clintons4mccain or realdems. They are actively endorsing and working for McCain.
We work towards restoring the Democratic Party and the democratic process. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. You can not fight from outside the circle.
There needs to be mutual respect among PUMA PACers regarding their INDIVIDUAL VOTE and INDIVIDUAL CHOICE and that of others. You respect that difference by not over-advertising your opinions and continuing to contribute to the PUMA PAC goal of bringing BO and the ONC down. I do not plan to stop until he is down for the count.
I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN. I WILL NOT WORK toward electing one or donating to his/her campaign. I MAY vote for him – but that’s a very uncertain “may”. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA. I am a conservative DEMOCRAT who will continue to fight for MY party that has been hijacked.
No one on this blog has any right to force their point of view on another member or make them feel inferior or ’stupid’ because their conscience, ideals, or morals will NOT let them vote for McCain. To my disappointment, much of that has been happening.
That is why I am trying to refocus this blog on our NOBAMA mission and do whatever we can do in six short weeks to knock him and the DNC on their respective kiesters.
Nothing is impossible. Look what we’ve done in three short months.
ipotter #568,
I believe you are 100% right. Money has also been pushed in through the front doors of certain proBO churches and out to BO through the church members. Graft is alive and well. If we Ohioians (and other PUMAs) aren’t very very careful and dilligent Ohio is going to be a (corrupt) win for BO. It can win him the election. We must fight the graft and corruption and voter fraud on every front; never letting up for one minute.
(*UPDATED* w/recent suggestions)
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WAYS & STRATEGIES TO DEFEAT BO IN NOV.
>> * Points to consider:
– This is a very close election (esp. in the critical swing states)!
– If BO wins, Hillary’s future presidential hopes likely END.
– A big BO loss will shake awake the DNC, forcing reform… AND will allow Hillary to run & win in 2012!
– A lot of the focus should be on the crucial battleground SWING STATES that will decide this election!!!
– We only have 2 months left!
> *NOTE: I use the term “anti-BO” loosely; not necessarily implying “to smear” but to refer to any points or tactics that can help defeat BO.
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** POSSIBLE TACTICS & ACTION STEPS: **
• Make phone calls, esp. in swing states… organize phone-banks. – Talk to others (even door-to-door). – Give talks to critical groups. — Help get people who are voting against BO to the polls (on Nov 4). – Volunteer to poll-watch (on 11-4) — etc…
• Distribute ‘anti-BO’ flyers, brochures, info sheets, etc. — Put up flyers/posters all over (esp. where they’ll do most good). — Also: bumper stickers, buttons, yard signs, etc.
• Write Letters to the Editor (newspapers). — Spread ‘anti-BO’ “Viral” Emails. — Forward persuasive articles. — Blog and post comments or articles all over the Web. — Talk to the press, give TV interviews, etc (like Murphy & Will do). — Enlighten others about BO and our cause!
• [*NEW*] Coordinated mass emailing local media (TV, newspapers, radio) to encourage PUMA-related (& ‘anti-BO’) coverage, esp. in key areas (like in swing states). [Idea from Texas Tigress… she can probably ‘flesh it out’ better than me]
• [*NEW*] Find ways to target, or reach out to, key voting blocs that can make a big difference in Nov., such as Latinos, Seniors, young people, Primaries HRC-voters, etc… – Possible means to reach these groups: -Latino or Senior Centers, -publications geared to these groups, -Hispanic radio (& TV) stations & food markets, -college campuses, etc.
• Formally challenge (or object to) BO’s eligibility to be in your state’s ballot.
• If you’re defecting to McCain: — Campaign for McCain/Palin. — Donate to the campaign, etc…
• DONATE to PUMApac and also donate to (& help out) any effective 527 group working to defeat BO through TV, radio & newspaper ADS, etc.
• If PumaPac can pull it off, as a 527 group, we can maybe raise funds to produce ADS for TV & newspapers to help expose & defeat BO.
• Visualize lots of RED in the electorate map on Nov. 4… esp. see the critical swing states go red! – Visualize the Mac/Palin win; the cheers, the confetti, etc. – *Then* *SEE* *2012*: Hillary elected president; thanking the cheering crowd, etc.
• We can model a lot of our efforts on effective campaign strategies, except we’re not officially campaigning for someone; we’re campaigning against BO.!!!
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>> PLEASE CONTINUE SUBMITTING YOUR THOUGHTS, OTHER IDEAS, SUGGESTIONS AND SPECIFIC *STEPS*. I am compiling another list with more details and actions steps for some of the strategies listed.
** I periodically update and re-post the lists.
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#564:
Piper Palin licked her hand to fix her brother’s hair, I mean.
Most people think it’s cute. She just seems like she loves her little brother a lot.
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Is anybody going to watch BO/Bill O’Reilly interview on FOX. I’m curious but afraid I”ll be physically sick. I think it’s coming up this hour..?
I’m not sure I can watch O’reilly and cupcake tonite – for 8 years I avoided watching shrub as much as I could because I couldn’t watch him with that smirking look on his face – made me want to bash the TV – also, he has an annoying kinda pitch to his voice that annoys the hell out of me so probably have only heard him a couple 3-4 times in 8 yrs – well I feel the same way about cupcake – not only does he have that annoying look down his nose attitude but never know which accent is gonna come out of his mouth and none of them sound authentic ——— so ugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! can’t watch and can’t listen – maybe I’ll watch a rerun of CSI
579 normapapuma
Im going to try…. they are saying he pinned BO….but i doubt it
MarylandPuma~ I am abit confused. I have been here since its inception, have done all the prowls plus more, have donated over 200.00 for the buses and have tried to be a supportive member here. I have never campaigned for McCain and have told others that they are not to do so. However, I have made up my mind to vote for McCain/Palin because I cannot stand the thought of Obama as our President. Does that mean that because I have made up my mind that I FEEL this is the most effective way to beat Obama that I am no longer welcome here? That I am not to mention what my decision is and why, while all other alternatives are freely discussed? I do hope that I heard you wrong. Please clarify. Thanks
I will NOT watch BO on O’Reilly.
im going to watch how many time i can see up his nose…. ill let you know…there is no way i can hear what he is saying….no matter how hard it ry…all i hear is BLAh BLAh BLAh
Hillary is our president, that’s the goal to bring us here. If Obama wins, “Hillary is our president” is just a joke. If McCain wins, at least Hillary has another shot, does anyone have better ideas?
Added The Story On CountUsOut
FOR SALE ON eBAY DEMOCRATIC (OBAMA) NATIONAL COMMITTEE
Item Description: The DONC! Yes, it’s a failed leadership and ineffective bunch of incoherent political hacks, but hey — the price is right! Absolutely FREE! In fact we’ll even ship them to you for free. Here’s what you get when you take the DONC off our hands:
Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Donna Brazile, Joe Biden, AND Barack Obama! The DO-NOTHING Congress is also included at no extra charge. Heck, we’ll even throw in Markos Moulitsas and the Daily KOS as a special incentive, but watch out! his bite is vicious and has been known to transmit disease.
Take our “leaders” home today — Please!
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
#583 stoney42 You got the game on.
I sent a link to the auction to my press contacts..not sure if they read em
they are nominating Sarah i think
slyt2 I voted against my beloved SKINS in a pool today. I think Brennan will end up as QB
#540 BillieJoe
Wow, right on! We talk about Obama throwing people under the bus and yet I get the sense some are doing this with Hillary. She worked her heart out for us and she still is.
This comment on a Houston news article turned my stomach:
” It is rumored that if Obama is not elected President that there is a group already forming to burn down America and that you will see one of the most brutal wars in America which will not hold a candle to the civil war. People are angry and want a chance to have their dreams become a reality. Obama and Biden is the emboidment to their dreams. You had better wake up to the new world people there are no more docile and succumbing people like yesterday the old yesterday. You had better growup.”
http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou080903_tj_palin_local_reaction_speech.40aed827.html#slcgm_comments_anchor
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THIS IS THE REASON SENSIBLE AMERICANS (DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS AND INDEPENDENTS) MUST STAND UP AND PUT COUNTRY FIRST THIS ELECTION. IMAGINE IF THIS CROWD GOES UNCHECKED. THERE WILL BE NOTHING LEFT FOR HILLARY OR ANYONE ELSE in 2012.
Slyt2
Yes
MarylandPUMA
I hope we’re allowed to state our support for McCain/Palin and reasons, to express and promote our own opinions, at least? Not to tell anybody how to vote, or get into arguments. I’m decided to vote McCain and proud but respect those that “just can’t”.
OctoberSurprise, I thought, had a good question on the previous thread-Is this now BO’s Party, not Hillary’s, for a long, long time? I’m so worn out from the Dems that I just don’t want to risk any more time, financial, and emotional support…I’m actually debating Murphy’s New Democratic Party..what is the potential? I’d like to hear more of THAT debate on this blog.
#590 virginia.puma oh for shame , I was thinking the same thing about QB
#592 notfollowinthepiedpiper so now there are threats to us if we don’t vote for BO they will burn down places,I swear to the good lord up above this election has made things really bad and started a whole bunch of crap with some people it brought out the worse where’s Trish I’m moving to Canada.
I will rely on this blog for information on the interview tonight. I just do not think I can watch it and I am going to be really mad if O’Reilly goes easy on him.
Maryland Puma and others who are not comfortable with the current McCain discussion:
I agree with you that our first purpose was two fold:
1. To salvage the nomination for Hillary
2. To bring down the DNC and Obama
Now we are at phase II:
Bringing down Obama and cleaning up the party.
But in the meantime we are groping around for a broader purpose, that of cleaning up the party or starting a new one.
One of the things that held us together early on was the focus provided to us by the daily prowls. I suggest that we have someone or a group of someones that send out a daily prowl again. It would keep us focused and tone down the confusion.
#582 virginiapuma
MarylandPuma~ I am abit confused. I have been here since its inception, have done all the prowls plus more, have donated over 200.00 for the buses and have tried to be a supportive member here. I have never campaigned for McCain and have told others that they are not to do so. However, I have made up my mind to vote for McCain/Palin because I cannot stand the thought of Obama as our President. Does that mean that because I have made up my mind that I FEEL this is the most effective way to beat Obama that I am no longer welcome here? That I am not to mention what my decision is and why, while all other alternatives are freely discussed? I do hope that I heard you wrong. Please clarify. Thanks.
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You are most certainly welcome here! I, and most other PUMA PACers, respect your vote and your choice. And vocalizing your intent to vote McCain is perfectly fine. You do not overpromote your choice, or attempt to badger other members into accepting your choice as their own or make it seem like it is the ONLY choice. Any vote that BO does NOT get is a personal success, no matter how it is distributed.
It is the overpromotion for the McCain/Palin ticket that is disturbing and alienating to members who DO have other choices and who will utilize those choices.
If you look back over the blog for the last two days, it has been mostly McCain/Palin and little BO. How are we to continue to expose BO and the ONC if most everyone is focused on the Republicans? The newness and shock of Palin has worn off, you’ve made your November decision, and it’s time to continue the work we started (see above).
You can still pull the lever for McCain (if you CHOOSE) and still be a PUMA fighting for Democracy and reform in the Democratic Party. I’m sure you won’t be the only PUMA who does so because the Democratic Candidate is much more uncertain than the Republican.
Sad, isn’t it? We had a winner. The Democrats set up the play, fumbled the football, and the Republicans grabbed it and are on their way to the goal.
We have no one else to thank but the ONC and BO – for giving us a candidate we can’t support and forcing us to consider a republican agenda because they had the cojones to put forth another, albeit less experienced than Hillary, WOMAN.
OBAMA AND DNC SERVED TODAY WITH BERG LAWSUIT:
For Immediate Release: – 09/04/08
SERVICE OF LAWSUIT CHALLENGING SENATOR OBAMA’S RIGHT TO BE A CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE DOES NOT MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS HAS BEEN
COMPLETED
( Lafayette Hill , Pennsylvania – 09/04/08) – Philip J. Berg, Esquire,the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s eligibility to serve as President of the United States, has received confirmation from his Process Service Company
that the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Senator Barack Obama were served today, September 4, 2008, with the legal documents pertaining to Berg vs. Obama, Civil Action No. 08-cv-4083. The DNC was
served at 12:00 p.m. and Senator Obama was served at 1:00 p.m.
The U.S. Attorney’s Office accepted service on behalf of
the Federal Elections Committee (FEC) on or about August 22, 2008.
Thanks for the ideas LandiPUMA. Focused. Concrete. Doable.
MarylandPuma~ excuse please in advance…Damn right we had a winner. And we will again in 2012
#595 slyt2
Yeah, All hail the GREAT UNITER !
#601 Virginiapuma
EXACTLY. Luv ya neighbor!
Hi Everyone, Thank you Maryland Puma for bringing perspective back. After listening to Sarah Palin last night I was falling into the McCain/Palin lovefest, too. I was telling my husband how impressed I was. He simply stated, “Yeah, that’s all well and good, but she’s still a Republican.” I, too, am having a difficult time even considering voting Republican, it goes against my moral fiber. That’s just the way I am. I gotta tell you, I had a horrifying thought-what if McCain/Pain wins and she runs for President in 2012? Where does that leave our Hillary if she decides to run? That could get really nasty. Any thoughts?
FREAKED OUT PARTY
I got 3 email from the BO campaign today and two were crying about the terrible “attacks”.
Now we know what he will do if he got “the” 3 am phone call…he would spam the enemy.
LandiPUMA – You might want to add to the list:
Work for any grassroots orgs doing work that interests you and feels worthwhile. Perhaps help research fraud issues. Contact ClintonDems or Lynette Long about that. Or perhaps get involved with the folks who are researching the write in issues.
Call into radio shows if they allow call ins if the subject matter even seems remotely relevant to making one or two focused points whether they be about caucus fraud, the faux convention, etc but be prepared with FACTS, not emotional opinion (in my opinion).
Design your own flier with bullet points of key issues and links to sites with further information about those issues.
Can someone who understands what I’ve been trying to say all day about the blog please help me explain it?
PLEASE?
It’s been a rough week for me and I’m fried. I started college, my daughter started school, and I’m finally starting to get back into the swing of things after Denver.
Perhaps my nice brain cells and mean brain cells are fighting and can’t find a compromise?
#574 Maryland & #582 VirginiaPuma
Maryland – I just finished reading your post, and Democratic reform can only take place if BO loses.
I agree with VirginiaPuma that the Puma message is confusing. But, I also realize that the PAC has strict guidelines.
I need to be with a group that allows me to campaign for McCain/Palin loudly and clearly. As a lifelong Democrat, I have no reservations voting for the Republican ticket. BO is unqualified and unfit to be President.
Murphy, Maryland & Others – You have accomplished so much. Puma Pac gave me hope and power. I really enjoyed my time here, but I’m moving on to Clintons4McCain.
605 Headcluncker~ LOL
I do not believe MarylandPuma has stated at any time that someone cannot state they are supporting McCain.
With some, my question is, how many times does it have to be said. I get it! It’s your vote.
What I do not appreciate is hearing over and over that anyone not voting for McCain is not really against Obama.
Well I’m here and I’m against Obama and I am not voting for McCain. What I do with my vote is my choice.
I respect the choice made by others, I expect them to respect my choice. Not one person needs to agree with me.
I have heard every possible argument about why I should vote for McCain.
I am not stupid, not ill-informed, not just an old democrat, and not sexist.
I also am not here to pressure anyone on how they should vote.
Maryland and VirginiaPuma
Did you know tropical storm Hanna is coming your way this week-end? Saturday, I think.
#604 cardinalsfan
Covered that yesterday. At least it would be a good campaign between two able (women)candidates. None (or at least less) of the underhanded stuff we’re seeing this year. In a poll I saw today (sorry I don’t have the link) it shows in a Hillary vs. Palin for pres. match Hillary would win 53% to 41%. Experience is in her favor and the dems will hopefully get it together by 2012.
We are all still upset about Hillary and her treatment. I have to move past it because the more I dwell on it the more upset I get. I am here at times looking for guidance. I enjoy reading everyone’s input and reading different thoughts and ideas. I think Sarah’s speech helped many of us. We all are here for the same reason and we all will vote our own way in November. I say the goal is to defeat OB.
#580 Susie Exactly! Ugh.
#584 Brave Prowland-Thank you -I can’t count on myself!
Stoney42~ yeah. Not so worried about Hanna. Ike causes me concern if it heads North. Thanks for your concern.
#592 notfollowinthepiedpiper on 09.04.08 at 7:37 pm
This comment on a Houston news article turned my stomach:
” It is rumored that if Obama is not elected President that there is a group already forming to burn down America and that you will see one of the most brutal wars in America which will not hold a candle to the civil war. People are angry and want a chance to have their dreams become a reality. Obama and Biden is the emboidment to their dreams. You had better wake up to the new world people there are no more docile and succumbing people like yesterday the old yesterday. You had better growup.”
——————-
Where is this quote from?
LandiPUMA #276 and everyone,
I read an interesting addition to your wonderful suggestions above to raise awareness of the corruption of BO and upcoming alert to voter fraud. I don’t remember where I saw it or from what group, but these people were letting off hellium baloons filled with slips of paper and/or with flyers tied to them. They sited the fact that the South Koreans were doing it and had been for years to get the truth, medical equipment (in larger weather balloons), and radios to the North. Korea HATES it and have tried desperately (and unsuccessfully) to stop it. Over and over again they have tried to stop it, but they can’t, because they can’t control or locate the people who are letting them off. The wind carries the balloons anonymously, which come down all over the territory, far, far from the people who have let them off.
This is an inexpensive, non-violent, non-agressive, non-confrontational way to get the word out everywhere. For the cost of a few dozen balloons and some hellium you can get many pieces of information out to many, many people.
#592 notfollowinthepiedpiper -
I am already sensing that people better be prepared for this. I am reiterating that a NOBO scenario is better that a “Yes, we DID” world. SO listen up y’all and forgot everything else and take back your life and your society with a MCC now and HRC in 2012
Larry,
For our purposes, if they dont count some provisional ballots , this year it will be to our benefit.
First timers will show up without proper ID, in wrong precinct, and so on , or not registered and registering on that day if that state allows it.
We have discs with all who are registered. After a certain point, names will no longer be entered on those discs, and they will get provisionals.
#617 Larry rules – No wonder the cost of Helium is over the roof!
Thank you for that poll. That’s for now but a lot can change in four years. I hate that Hillary had to fold to the DNC. I hope she didn’t play her last card.
What is with the lawsuit? Is it true it was served?
423 PumaRhythm
Pat usually wins against tweety.
#611 Stoney42
Yep yep. Saturday will be an interesting day weather wise.
We get Nor’easters here on the Eastern Shore of MD all the time which are comparable to tropical storms in wind and rain.
How we’ve avoided a full fledged hurricane is beyond me. I keep waiting for the word that one is headed our way. If it does, it will head right up the warm waters of the Bay, effectively cutting us off from the mainland and will most likely make us an island if we exist at all afterwards. The only route off the peninsula is the Chesapeake Bay Bridge (to Western Shore) or Tunnel (to VA) or north through Delaware into NJ.
Scary, eh?
EWard- I am considering that move,too, although I really like it here. Good luck-to all of us.
#592 notfollowinthepiedpiper on 09.04.08 at 7:37 pm
nevermind, I found it.
#610 pamawo
Thank you.
I’m really trying to be fair to EVERYONE on the blog by respecting their vote and their choice.
#608 EWard are you still here, what do they do over there? I mean is it just a place to post or do they take actions are we do here?
#592 notfollowinthepiedpiper
Obamabots threaten to riot if he wins; they threaten to riot if he looses.
It’s a no win situation.
Hi everyone,
I cant stay long, just wanted to say hi for now
TREEPUMA
#599 kelligesq
Is my understanding that you are a lawyer
I, myself never had a court circumstance,even thou I have 3 lawyers inthe family, thanks to god , I never needed one, but I NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE BURUCRACY
in plain n language: does it means that obama & his people got the notification of the trail
now I ask thethey might prolongue the process until after the elctions even thou it concerns his capacity for POTUS???????????
Maryland PUMA :
I live on the Eastern Shore, and read today that the Bay Bridge will probably be closed for awhile Sat afternoon due to high winds.
#616 goanderson
So, according to the Houston article, I should dust off my Smith and Wesson. I can do that. Bring ‘em on.
I am a former Alaskan and I don’t scare easily.
On a lighter note, I am so grateful to Murphy, MarylandPuma, MamaPuma, and so many other Pumas who have contributed ideas, money, information, and support to all of us. We need to focus on our goal and continue to support one another. We will get through this no matter how we will each vote.
Hey puma’s I’m back and watching O’Rielly…
#582 virginia.puma
I’m with you on this. How are we supposed to defeat Obama in November if we stay home or write Hillary in? Doesn’t that make it easier for Obama to win? If Obama wins, then how the heck does Hillary ever get the chance to run for President in 2012? If Obama wins, then how do we change the Democratic Party with Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Dean, and Brazille all ruling the Country? McCain is no Bush. He has stood up to his Party and so has Palin which makes it easier for me to vote for them. If we all just sat home on election day and didn’t vote, which is probably what Obama and the DNC would rather since they don’t need us…then Obama wins. If we vote for McCain/Palin that will really hurt them.
************ 60 HITS ON EBAY ***********
DONC FOR SALE ….LOL
Could someone tell me how shoving McCain down a voter’s throat is any different than the DNC shoving Obama down our throats?
I didn’t tolerate it then and won’t now.
Enjoy your evening folks.
#599 Kelligesq on 09.04.08 at 7:47 pm
Thank You for the update. I missed part of NPR’s update this afternoon and all I heard was something about a mess this would create if it was resolved AFTER the elections and who would get the Presidency? Hillary, Biden…or McCain and this would be very dangerous for the country.
pumas do not give a second to threats
in FRANCE they finished they riots within days
I, too, am confused at what to say, not to say, or express an opinion – that is not what I thought we were here for – thought it was to have action plans on how to defeat BO – that would entail something of the above. Maryland what say you.
Ahh…watching Nancy Grace- no BO!
#635 kai on 09.04.08 at 8:12 pm
How are we supposed to defeat Obama in November if we stay home or write Hillary in?
________
I’m not taking a chance; I’m voting McCain 08 : – )
#616 goandersen
click on the “comments” link (small letters at the top of the article)
http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou080903_tj_palin_local_reaction_speech.40aed827.html
Tomorrow, can some one please tell me what it means to be Democrat and what it means to be Republican ?
I think it is time we draw a line down a page and list it out factually.
Then we can see if we can live voting for McCain so that Obama does not get in the White House. If it causes a lot of pain and suffering to vote McCain / Republican, then it is very obvious that one shouldn’t. Sometimes sacrifice comes before PRIDE.
Is it so important to be identified as a democrat or a republican that one cannot consider COUNTRY FIRST ?
I am asking in order to learn – not being sarcastic. I want to know what the heck it really means to say I am a Democrat or I am a Republican. I feel such a fake just clinging to either one – so I vote for the person who I feel is the lesser of the two evils at this time.
That collar looks like it is worth more than the donkey is. Someone should report Obama to the Humane Society.
Nancy Grace is “unleashing the lawyers”…substantial amounts of Cloroform found in the car. Possible book deal? Interesting mystery.
#636 bmw60 wrote:
“************ 60 HITS ON EBAY ***********
DONC FOR SALE ….LOL”
What is the shipping coast on that?
kai if you stay home , it is not help
you vote must count
as long as you do not vote for obama
there is More to this
but i prefer MURPHY OR MARYLAND PUMA THAT ARE BETTER INFORMED TO EXPLAIN IT
Anyone…is post #599 true? My husband is finally interested in this birth certificate issue. I do not want to tell him if it is not true.
Also for those thinking of writing in Hillary check your state rules!!! A write in for Hillary could go to OB
Hillary sent out an invite in Boston, to retire her debt.
Fri Sept 19th my email says the Liberty Hotel 6:30 pm
$250.00 just to get in………………..
Well Kai and Virginia Puma maybe I just can’t understand how anyone could vote for McCain.
But I and others who may feel the same are not saying this over and over and over again.
I understand what you are saying, I respect what you are saying I just can’t vote for McCain.
Question:
What do the disenfranchised base of the Democratic Party do now?
a) morph into republicans
b) expose the DNC and caucus fraud
c) Fight for their country
d) Reform the Democratic Party
e) Expose media misogyny
Reagan democrats were good democrats, they just didn’t want Carter.
Country before party, and NO to BO.
well it looks like I missed alot, I’ll have to catch up later, back to bed, docs order, did anyone miss me while I was in the hospital? I sure missed you guys
TREEPUMA
I missed you TREE! how are you?
Who cares who we vote for as long as we defeat OB. Isn’t that the idea? We all have a right to express our views without criticism.
How many ways are there to defeat BO?
#372 Maryland Puma:
YOU CAN WRITE IN HILLARY in Tennessee. (help me, I’m about to be sick Bill frist is on TV)
HOWEVER, those votes will only be recorded and not counted. Basically no one will ever know you wrote her in unless you go get the recorded write in and then send it to the DNC… Which is my plan, except for the fact that i really don’t want Hillary to get blamed for that when in reality it was their own actions
Anyway, you, can write in Hillary and that vote WILL NOT go for Barack obama.
652 goandersen
I KNow ! I KNow – everything but ‘A” !!!! Whoooo hoooo ! I win – you drink ! clink !
#654 tree
Hey Tree. Take Care!
LotusBoy #620,
So has the price of gasoline (gone through the roof). But for some of us, going door to door, driving to other neighborhoods, picketing, protesting, or even calling is either prohibitive or not attractive. Some are shy and most are overworked and burdened. Hellium balloons are a way to get the word out anonymously and effectively. I also gets TV attention when the balloons start coming down and people start reading and reporting. It is just one more passive addition to the above list. We must consider all angles and all avenues. I like the idea of quietly going to a little grassy hillock somewhere and letting off a dozen or so beautifully colored balloons to the winds; watching them sail, off, off, higher and higher, out of sight. These people reported that one hellium balloon would support several regular balloons. I don’t know, never having tried it. It sounds memorable, empowering, and clever to me. Something that NO ONE can stop. Not the press, not Soros, not Axlerod, not Obama, no one. It sounded like a way to be free.
Hold on to your knickers y’all, the lawsuit was served today on the DONC and NObama, according to Kelligesq, #599
Kelligesq, thanks for the update!
#634 goofsmom is BO on yet?
TOUCHDOWN BABY……YES
#659 TexasTigress
CLINK CLINK!
654 tree
Hi
hope you’re feeling better!
#662 bruce55555
Thank you Queen,
I had some experimental surgery for my legs, hoping I’ll be able to get around more, wont know for about a week to see if it takes, the first surgery was a year ago and it could only be done once, so this was a new experimental surgery
It sounds like alot is going on, it will take awhile I think for me to catch up on whats happening
TREEPUMA
#656 4hillinca did you read my post earlier at #39(I think).
Its about time! Skins score!!!
And thankfully Hanna doesnt hit til tomorrow, and my direct tv is staying on.
FREDDIEBROWN
this a very simple explanation
republicans would stands for the market to control the economy and as result people would control their social benefit>>>this is hard on desavantaged people
democrats would control the markets and foster the socials benefits ,but if it is badly done we end up with a papa state that will do everything for us, will pamper us and could leads us into lethargic economic situation
#652 Honestly, I can’t seem to relate to any of the Dem leaders, other than Hillary and Bill. They are so ridiculous. They don’t know what they’re talking about most of the time: we’ve discussed the reproductive red herrings, for example. They really are condesending. We’ve lost Hillary and now we are desolate. Those are hard things you list,but we have to do something or go somewher after defeating BO.
Tree
I certainly hope it is successful for you…If you just feel like chatting feel free to keep my updated zzdalym81 at gmail
#629 brent222 on 09.04.08 at 8:09 pm
There is research that has been done on this wild phenomenon.
I was in Montreal , Canada in 1993 (I’m originally from Canada) and the CANADIENShad won their 24th Stanley Cup. Fans poured out of the Montreal Forum and began to commit acts of vandalism and violence while their team was celebrating inside. The riot was mostly focus on Ste. Catherine St. stores were looted and police cruisers burned. The riots caused an estimated $10 million dollars in damages and injured 168 people, including 49 police officers. 115 people were arrested.
It was the scariest thing ever to watch on tv. The media had NEVER seen anything like it not to mention that this is so “unCanadian” like.
651 pamawo And that is great! The fact is you should be patting yourself on the back for taking a stand… Any stand,,, against this corruption. I respect what you must do. Period.
#668 Sly2
Thanks for checking. No need to post link…guess I was hearing things!!! Wishful hearing!
#667 tree yes I noticed you were gone but to be honest I forgot why, I hope you are up and around soon and hope it would good and worked.
#669 hillfan4mccain on 09.04.08 at 8:27 pm
Its about time! Skins score!!!
Dang straight
Hi STORYTELLER,
No, I’m not a lawyer, I only pretend to be one on tv
I work IN law, as an investigator and paralegal. Sometimes I go to court WITH the lawyer as an assistant.
Someitmes I even go without the lawyer
What it means that “they served Obama and the DNC”.
A “complaint” written in a certain way was made by Berg and presented to the Federal Judge in Pennsylvania.
The Federal Judge had to decide if it was a good case or not. The Federal Judge decided most of it was a reasonable case. So he gave permission by signing to “serve” the written complaint papers on Obama and the DNC in Washington DC.
Those papers were served today as was said above. The man or woman who served those documents has to make out a paper that swears he served the papers on so and so, and he has to give a description of the person, and the address and so on.
Now Obama gets a chance to answer Mr Berg’s written complaint, but he has to send the answer (by his lawyer) to the Federal Judge in Pennsylvania. If he had nothing to hide , he would produce all the papers that the complaint asks be shown to the Judge.
Since we know that Obama is hiding something it is very doubtful he will be a stand up guy and instead argue why he shouldn’t answer or he will stall, hoping that he can stall until after the election and that he will win the election, because he knows once he has been elected, the Courts would be unlikely to take the election away from him.
However, this is going to be a very unusual election. And it is mostly the women/the people who are going to make it unusual. So there is always the chance that for a first time in history, even if he does win by falsehood, a Court may just do justice and not allow him to assume the Presidency.
I hope we hear more info on the Berg lawsuit. I find it strange that this is happening and it is not being covered by any of the media.
673 Genevieve on 09.04.08 at 8:30 pm
Scary stuff.
I will vote for president in Nov. I will NOT vote for B.O. I will not vote third party. Need I say more?
677 Kelligesq on 09.04.08 at 8:32 pm
However this could drag on way past the election. No?
Hear ya loud and clear Stoney!
I just sat down to watch the O’Reilly-Nobama interview and I’m already mad. It’s not even on yet, although Fox has been touting it all day saying it would be seen at 7:00 (my time, CST). And, now O’Reilly says it will be in two parts, and it’s NOT LIVE. You know it will be edited by the BO camp.
Ok Pumas this is the way I see it::: If Obama does get elected I believe he will get two terms,(8 years), If McCain gets elected its 1 term. Then we can only hope the Democrats will put up Hillary the strongest candidate.So even though we don’t all agree on all of Mccains policies.Don’t ya think that its better to get McCain for 4 years than Obama for 8?Then we can all work to get Hillary elected in 2012 instead of 2016.
#644 freddiebrown
You don’t have to be a republican to vote for John McCain. You can still consider yourself and call yourself a democrat, just puu the lever for McCain. Don’t complicate the matter. It’s just a protest vote.
680 stoney42 on 09.04.08 at 8:34 pm
Me too.
This is my deal.
No more waiting.
Step up or step aside.
I am not going to wait any more.
685 BigCatLover on 09.04.08 at 8:36 pm
Yep, that’s how I feel.
kai if you stay home , it is not help
you vote must count
as long as you do not vote for obama
there is More to this
but someone better informed that me should explain
Thank you Queen,
Wow, how wonderful, what happens if he gets convicted or whatever they might do to him, will Hillary get the chance to be the nominee?
TREEPUMA
684 tillerylakelady on 09.04.08 at 8:36 pm
This is the only way I see Hillary in 2012.
Maryland Puma – I see what you mean about a lot of talk regarding Palin/McCain – maybe it was because there was a whole thread that was dedicated to sexism towards Palin – and just got carried forward without a stopping off point ?
Tomorrow will be a better day???? Puma Hugs.
Please pass this on. For everyone who needs to be convinced or need a reason NOT to vote for Obama:
Glenn Beck on CNN/HLN had a full show on Barack Obama – the real Barack Obama – it is a must see. His guests talked about his real agenda, his associations, his mentors, and while I have never read a book about him, they talked about things that I had spent hours researching and learning way before the convention was over. This is the first time I have seen this kind of program on a cable news network, or any where from the msm traditional sources. There will be a replay at 9 p.m and again at midnight, est. I believe there might be a transcription of the program also, but not sure about that. This is the first time I’ve had some hope that this unqualified, empty suit might be defeated.
strike “convention” I meant before the primaries were over.
#661 Larry rules – Yes, it can help both ways. And actually, I follow the market and the economy and helium went up for a lot of reasons and it was just scarcity supply vs demand more than anything else. And a lot of it originates from the Texas area alone.
kellingesq
but if gets the presidency on false premesies
he could be charged with treason
we could not full around with this
it would be the fall of our institutions
and probably like someone said
the end of more than 200 yrs of our demacratic experiment
693 Country First on 09.04.08 at 8:41 pm
BO said it himself; those people who cling to guns and religion will not vote for me.
They didn’t in the primary, and they won’t in the general.
We must keep calm and still work together.Not every one agrees on the same thing,BUT we all have the same goal in Mind. Its like a chess game, sometimes you have to place your players in different positions to make strategic move. Voteing Mccain is a move to get Hillary the next Dem.nomination.
“The presidential race between Barack Obama and John McCain is now even at 42 percent, according to a new CBS News poll conducted Monday-Wednesday of this week. ”
Gorsh, how did THET happin?
Brent 222
It could. It’s rare for a Federal Court case to move quickly. Lawyers can stall things by argung in writing
this and that, or a certificate of live birth is just as good as a vaulted birth certificate and so on.
I think Berg would have asked for a “fast track” on this case, but 2 months is no time at all for a Federal Court.
Because I think Obama is going to try to stall until after the elections it could drag on and on, unless the Judge is
a hardnose and won’t allow it. For once in my life I’d like to see a judge be a hardnose
If Obama succeeds in any way, it could end up changing the Constitution, gawdfubid, allowing non born on the USA land to become president.
Bill: how threatening is Iran
BO: dancing. Won’t take military action off the table. Would take action if needed. Only after every other option is exhausted.
Bill: Iraq
Admit to nation that surge worked…
BO: Violence is down – surge has succeeded has gone very well.
Bill: up to you no surge
BO: says no that’s not what I said.. Iraquis still divided
Bill: Pakistan – your not going to send troops in either.
BO: focus on Pakistan – military support on ground to target terrorists.
Rest of interview Monday and Tuesday etc. Bill says it’s lively..
#693 Country First – And in switching between Glenn Beck and Keith Olbermann I noticed one thing. KO frowns and shows so much negative emotion that it would hardly attract new viewers. Glenn Beck is rather more sociable and less hauty and mean. This information is for people that have not watched either. I surmise people can watch them both in a neutral tone and help decide where to vote for. NOBAMA must still be their only hope though!
Well..what about impeachment if he was found to be ineligible?
Fox should have let Megan interview XO ! Bill is a big weakling !!!
I think we are all looking for a silver lining. The DNC cheated us and the country out of the best choice we ever had. That leaves a huge hole in our choices this term.
Some of us are looking hard for that silver lining. Some of us are resigned to McCain as a pale substitute, and are relieved that he is not as bad as we had once thought. Palin seems to be the lubricant that might let the bitter pill go down.
Anything bad that happens in the McCain administration is the fault of the democrats who put together this awful mess. Let us not attack one another. We need to put our energy to some positive use, with prowls that move us toward a new day on the other side of the election.
All of us are tired. We should be. We worked hard and accomplished much, though the end result was not what we had envisioned.
Let us keep the faith in a new day.
Texas OOOOHHHH yeah~ she is terrific!!!!! I’m in love with Megan
677 Kelligesq
Doesn’t “esq” usually indicate a Js.D degree?
My take on voting McCain is quite simple.
If Bo loses that means McCain won. We have McCain the repub (like it or not) but we have him. The only other outcome is Bo wins then we have him. For me there is no sense in putting myself through the struggle of voting McCain. Either Bo wins OR McCain wins. We are stuck with one of them. But I like Palin so now there is a plus for me.
After scanning through the posts it sounds like many want a specific action to do regarding taking your party back. Personally I think this is a period of incubation. Until November 5th there is not much you can do and even then it will take a least a week for the loss to sink in since the BOites essentially talk and think in an echo chamber.
You should keep yourselves rested and strong. Volunteer to be election workers or observers.
If you feel good about it volunteer for another campaign.
You can also make your feelings known to those around you and perhaps change some votes.
You can gather information on caucus fraud.
But now the opposition to BO (the Republicans) are organized, well funded and better at winning so between the BOites damaging their own credibility and the Republicans you really don’t have to do that much but wait for your chance to throw the bums out. Biding your time is a legitimate strategy.
700 Kelligesq on 09.04.08 at 8:48 pm
Thanks for your response. That’s my fear too.
#599 Kelligesq
677 Kelligesq
great… i sent out the other subject to my bajillion media emails…. and have and went to some site were you can leave news.. tips… but as we know its already out there… the Media bull dogs now have to pick it up and you know that is a 20/80 chance !!
They didnt even report on Biden being drunk on the stage…but tried to distroy an 17 years old girl…
709 Seattlegirl on 09.04.08 at 8:52 pm
And please vote : – )
644 Freddie
The ONLY issue I care about when I vote in this year is fair elections. This is a protest vote for me. If we allow the people in power and the media to rig elections and select our President for us, we’re no better than a 3rd world country.
We saw it in 2000 in Florida, and this year we saw it again by the other party. I want the DNC to lose, so future elections are more fair and honest. If we lose that, this stops being a democracy and we’ll eventually lose our voice on all the other issues too.
So, it’s with PRIDE I ‘ll put the future of my Country first, and vote against Obama.
Virginia PUMA
Impeachment. the same way Pelosi impeahed GWB.
and she’s behind obama. She’s the one who should be impeached. I sincerely hope her district votes her out.
700 Kelligesq
certificate of live birth…but anyone could get one..
isn’t it called and ” after the fact birth certificate “?
715 prowlland on 09.04.08 at 8:57 pm
I think that would be called a duplicate. But we’ve already seen one of those; photoshopped.
well that was a bunch of BS ……….. Bos…interview on O’reily
PROWLLAND
It’s you and me babe
I called up some senators and reps.
dems blew me off.
republicans listened.
e mailed some newspapers. I always think it’s better to fax them or talk to them though.
I;d like to get hold of Giuliani- and Lindsay Graham
We always think they know these things but they may not.
I remember when Katrina happened and people were drowning , I called up my Sen office in DC, they had no tv
in office and had no idea what I was talking about.
So maybe they dont know.
Its up to us to do those emails and calls.
Can we get any help Prowl ?
#714 Kelligesq …Yeah. When asked if I am pleased Pelosi is a woman as Speaker, I’m just thrilled that one of us has a brain.
I thought O’Reily’s interview with bozo is weak so far. He’s asking pretty good questions but allowing bozo to do his usual nuance dance.
Tree!!!!!!!!!
Where have you been??
I’ve missed you.
Regarding the talk about McCain and Palin. I am not surprised and I don’t think it is inappropriate. First Palin is a great strong woman candidate like Hillary who just got mocked out of the primary by her own party. The Democrats were too lame to stand up to sexism as was the Democratic parties ladies axillary, NOW. After they threw her out they tried to threaten women with Roe v Wade and they actively foster ignorance about the true state of reproductive rights. Now they are trying to do the same thing to Palin except her party is standing up for her. It makes women feel good to see one of the parties will stand up for women and it make Democrats feel worse that their own party threw women under the bus, threatened them, and continues this behavior. Yes you are going to get a lot of talk contrasting the behavior of the two parties. And yes it is hard to take but it is reality that the R’s are and will stand up for women and the D’s continue with their misogynist ways, Oh! I mean their alleged misogynist ways. You can help fix this but not until the big loss.
kelligesq
there is another way to this
after today
the republicans are not going to watch and let it go by obama´s atrocites and mocks at the intitutions
716 brent222
NO… that is when you have had the kid…like at home… they started that after Hawaii became a state,,, so the ones that didn’t have a BC could get one for various reasons
disgusting Glen Beck, but llisteing cause he’s supposed to be exposing obama
Glenn Beck has Corsi and Fredosso both on right now.
#712 Brent222: Yikes! you are right vote and vote effectively!
#683 blondlady two parts oh NO THE CHOSEN ONE is gonna be on tonite, Monday , Tuesday and Wednesday. WTF is that, I knew it I knew Bill would fold like a cheap suit he is scared of BO and scared of his “Crew”. Out there promoted and helping BO he drank the koolaid it’s over.
#680 ,#684,#686 Ditto , agree with all 3 on what you said.
One thing I noticed in the preview of the BO interview. He was sitting in the chair the same way that John Edwards was when he was interviewed about his affair.
#725 Kelligesq
Not too sure they want to think about this in here…i put one of his youtube up in here and all h$ll broke lose..
Ill have to admit…i couln’t watch but 2 of his speeches…omg.. wanted to throw up… I never never knew people felt like that.
Who posted the list of actions we could take to make sure we had NOBO
The O’ Reilly interview seems to be more of the same old gloss-job.
PROWLLAND
I missed that, which two did you put up?
That’s Obama’s benefactor..that’s who Obama really is
He’s dangerous to this country and our freedoms
Two guys wrt books David Freddosso of the National Review
and some othre guy, who says Obama studied Oulinsky who says “say whatever you have to say to get power”
and that’s why we here find him insincere, somehow we
tune into that he’s just saying stuff.
#731 Kelligesq
No…… I only put one up…i watched 2….not sure…hang on
PROWLLAND
PEOPLE HERE DIDNT WANT TO HEAR IT ?
THEN IT’LL SNEAK UP AND HIT THEM OVER THE HEAD
IF THEY DONT WORK AGAINST IT NOW NOW NOW
If anyone wants to post a comment at Greta’s, here’s the link:
so far it’s quiet and civilized tonight.
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/gretawire-
vote-so-get-ready
731 Kelligesq
I think it was this one
The birth and death of Christianity … someone said things like that don’t belong in here…etc…
Move-On is Sending Letters to the Editor about Palin. So can you:
http://pol.moveon.org/lte/lte_t.html?zip=33436<e_campaign_id=95
It does one at a time, but you can use your “back” button and do not have to retype.
733 Kelligesq
well i don’t know why it offened them….welll yes i do it offened me….. but we need to know the truth
#709 Seattlegirl
After scanning through the posts it sounds like many want a specific action to do regarding taking your party back. Personally I think this is a period of incubation.
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I feel I need to be doing something to push precious over the political cliff.
How about this idea:
We compose a short letter (most folks don’t bother reading a long note) putting in the the link to the caucus fraud, the letter from the delegates that Murphy posted the other day, and maybe a couple of other links.
In the letter we tell them we are life long Democrats that voted for Hillary Clinton in the primary and due to massive caucus fraud by Obama and the DNC that the 18 million voters of Hillary Clinton had their votes stolen and handed to Obama. Plus the fraud of delegates in Michigan and Fla were stolen from Hillary and other other uncommitted candidates and given unfairly to Obama. When the delegates wanted to represent 18 mil voters at the Dem. Convention, they organized the 300 petition, even having their signatures notarized to make sure Hillary’s name would be put in nomination at the convention. Then we tell what happened to the delegates, linking the letter from the delegates.
We could word it to the news media, telling them we are sending this information to both liberal and Republican news sites and blogs, yet we have little confidence that this information will ever reach the public from any liberal agency, judging from the past year that Obama has gotten a free pass from them. We hope this travesty is exposed to the public and we are hoping that the repubs will use this information to make sure the general election is honest and democratic.
This idea is really rough and many PUMAs are better at composing the letter…………..we could send it to both the liberal and repub news sites and blog spots.
What do you guys think?
I could help gathering website links if someone else could write a better letter than I could.
agreed PROWLLAND,
if it has to do with where Obama is going to take this country ,it belongs in here.
This isn’t about sexism-it’s about the issues:
Joe Klein -Time magazine-wrote today:
it is important for the public to know that Palin raised taxes as governor, supported the Bridge to Nowhere before she opposed it, pursued pork-barrel projects as mayor, tried to ban books at the local library and thinks the war in Iraq is “a task from God.” The attempts by the McCain campaign to bully us into not reporting such things are not only stupidly aggressive, but unprofessional in the extreme.
Headclunkier,
I’m going to send the expose of Obama.
#727
Bill’s boss (the newspaper mogul) was bought with BO THUG’s money. That’s it! End of Story!
Don’t get upset over something you have no control over – YET! Don’t buy his rags (newspapers) or watch his propaganda stations (Fox, et.al.).
KEEP THE FAITH
greta
NEXT CHAPTER????
Does any one believe in 2012 being the end of the world? Many predictions were made of the year 2012 and I am deathly afraid. The first time I wrote in, I had said that I used to live in a communist country. I know a communist when see one. I am so afraid it’s unbelievable. Afraid is not the word; terrified!!! I hope and pray that nobama will not be potus. What will this world be like if he takes office? Remember what a great orator Hitler was? Millions came to hear him speak. Look what happened? Millions died and WWII began.
728
I thought BO’s seating posture was odd too. He was on the edge of his seat, leaning like he was going to fall!!!
#717 prowlland on 09.04.08 at 9:01 pm
well that was a bunch of BS ……….. Bos…interview on O’reily
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I missed the entire thing on the way home from work. Was there anything good in the interview?
#492 storytellers on 09.04.08 at 6:10 pm
I agree. I call BS on that. In less that 24 hours……give me a break. The bozo camp is using the exact same tactics they used on Hillary except this time it’s backfiring due to the Repubs calling him out and to people like PUMAs calling him out. The bozo tactics are getting old and tired now and America is starting to say ENOUGH!
496 hillstheone
p.s. Also, where did that youtube trailer for Audacity go, has it been wiped off the internet or..??
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Brad Mays,the filmmaker, decided to remove it.
Isn’t Joe Klein an Obamabot?
743 Cassie
Don’t worry. We have enough to worry about without thinking the world will end. Remember what Hillary said when you get scared…
If you hear the dogs, keep going.
If you see the torches in the woods, keep going.
If they’re shouting after you, keep going.
Don’t ever stop. Keep going.
If you want a taste of freedom, keep going.
Even in the darkest of moments, ordinary Americans have found the faith to keep going.
#722 Seattlegirl
Bingo!
Give the lady a prize!
You got it.
and I would say it is way to late in the Fall for the Democrats to regain Spring again.
May be when there is new party leader ship and a more modern attitude about woman rights.
We should play one party against the other to achieve that goal. After all woman rights transcends color and religion and yes I will say it,.. party. This is the oldest of all divisions and the source of grate suffering in the world.
I am thinking of the grater good. I am sorry the Democrats don’t understand this. Seams to me it is a damn grate Democratic ideal?
We are American women and we stand for a standard of life for women all over the world.
That world filled with women is watching us.
I feel my metal being tested so for all the women in the world I am going to grit my teeth and bare down to birth a new F-ing world for them!
I am being called to serve right now!
I go with a glad hart.
For the evening crowd and the nightowls, per ladyhawkke’s request, please read and do!
REPOST THRU FRIDAY I’m posting this again as I believe we have until the end of the week to try and get Obama knocked off the ballot in all 50 states. Send by fax so they are aware of what’s coming and then take to P.O. and have letters certified with a return receipt. I’ve already done Florida and so have several others. Someone is keeping a list of states but we are trying to get all 50 states represented. Feel free to use points in my letter but don’t copy it verbatim as I’ve already sent to Mukasey & Friedrich. I don’t think it has any punch if we all send the same letter. I also sent a letter to my Governor, that is up to you if you wish to do so.
For those of you who have been getting responses from your SOS or anyone asking for proof, please be sure to write back to them reminding them that they have the power of subpoena and investigation.
Attorney General,
Michael B. Mukasey YOUR STATE’S SOS
U.S. Dept. of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Ave., NW YOUR STATE’S AG
Washington, DC 20530-0001
Fax: (202) 307-6777
U.S. Dept. of Justice
Criminal Division
Attn: Matthew W. Friedrich, Acting Asst. AG
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20430-0001
Fax: (202) 514-9412
Subject: Objections to Senator Obama being placed on ballot in Florida as Democratic Presidential nominee
Gentlemen:
I am a registered (YOUR STATE) (Dem-REPUB-IND) and a long time voter. According to the Constitution of the United States, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States
I respectfully request that the laws of the U.S. Constitution be enforced. Furthermore, please demand that the Democratic Presidential Nominee Senator Barrack Hussein Obama be required to provide (1) a certified copy of the vault Certificate of Birth; (2) a certified copy of the Oath of Allegiance he would have had to take between the ages of 18-21 to regain his U.S. citizenship after leaving Indonesia; and (3) verify that he registered in the selective service (he would have had to do this within six (6) months of turning eighteen (18).
Before Senator Obama is named on a (YOUR STATE) state ballot for the office of President, the foregoing documents must be produced. Unless Sen. Obama produces evidence to the contrary, I believe he:
• Is not a natural-born citizen; and/or
• Lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia; and/or
• Has dual loyalties because of his citizenship with Kenya and Indonesia.
Numerous questions raised about Obama’s background have no satisfactory answers:
• Where was Obama born? Hawaii; an island off of Hawaii; Kenya; Canada?
• School records list Obama as a citizen of Indonesia. Was he a citizen of Kenya, Indonesia and/or Canada?
• Explanation of the names he has used: Barack Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham, & Barry Dunham.
• Illinois Bar Application – Obama fails to acknowledge use of names other than Barack Hussein Obama,
As Attorney Generals of the U.S. and (YOUR STATE), Secretary of State of (YOUR STATE), and(USE IF YOU SEND TO YOUR GOVERNOR) Governor of (your state) , I request that you investigate the possible forgery of a Hawaii Certification of Live Birth and require Sen. Obama to answer whether he was ever a citizen of Indonesia and further require him to submit all documentation that led up to him being a U.S. citizen. Senator Obama has refused and/or failed to provide proof of his birth as a natural born U.S. citizen. A falsified birth certificate has circulated the Internet and has been proven by experts to be a forgery. Additionally, a lawsuit has been filed against Sen. Obama, Berg v. Obama, Civil Action No. 08-cv-4083 regarding his qualifications to become President of the U.S.
As a natural citizen of the U.S. and a dedicated American patriot, I am adamant for the security of our nation that we choose our elected officials as required in our federal and state constitutions and laws.
Please require that Senator Obama provide absolute proof that he is a natural born citizen of the U.S. before his name is placed on the (YOUR STATE) state ballot for President of the United States. Thank you.
747 DancesWithPumas on 09.04.08 at 9:28 pm
496 hillstheone
p.s. Also, where did that youtube trailer for Audacity go, has it been wiped off the internet or..??
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Brad Mays,the filmmaker, decided to remove it.
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Why?
Prowlland – BO was really uncomfortable with O’Reilly – he just couldn’t give a straight answer concerning the surge – BO just doesn’t get it. I was ticked that BO wanted to do it tonite, but, well………. also, BO has a hard time looking anyone straight into their eyes without lifting his chin…did you notice?
Nothing could make me vote for Obama.
It is very simple – I will vote for the patriot – not allowed to mention his name.
#740 c4hill on 09.04.08 at 9:22 pm
Uh Joe Klein and Time mag is a HUGE bot supporter. They were during the primary also. Check it out yourself. Their smears on Palin don’t work.
749 BillieJo
That is so special. I’m going to cry. Thank you for the kind words! And thank you for not thinking that I am crazy. I really do appriciate it.
753 1gypsy4mc on 09.04.08 at 9:33 pm
I just can’t watch BO. But I have noticed him stick his nose high in the air; I just wish a bird would land on it.
#738 BillieJo
I have been working on building a web site all day that will contain a link to the caucus video and article and have been asking for links. I was hoping a page like that would make it easier in our letters to link to one site that has all of the info.
Im still building though and still asking for links if anyone has any.
OK… im going to get up my nerve one more time….this you tube WILL offened you… BUT you have to know the truth… this man raised money for 61.. when he was 20 years old. Here is a small aricle about this man:
By: Kenneth R. Timmerman, Newsmax ,Wed Sept 3, 2008 5:58 PM
New evidence has emerged that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was closely associated as early as age 25 to a key adviser to a Saudi billionaire, Khalid al Mansour who had mentored the founding members of the Black Panthers. – snip-
Sutton gives no clues as to why al-Mansour would be raising money to help Obama go to law school. Obama has said during his campaign that he paid his way through Harvard with student loans. -snip=
For Jesse Lee Peterson, founder of the Los Angeles-based Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny (BOND), these latest revelations about Obama’s ties to Saudi financiers were an important wake-up call.
“To me, this opened up more questions about Barack Obama and his relationship to the Muslim world,” Peterson told Newsmax.
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Now… this is the you tube that WILL offend you…and there are many of them on the right side of this page… i could watch but 2 of them it told me all i needed to know.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDeAnC-6P0Q&feature=related
743 Cassie
Don’t be afraid, we’ll all work together, do the prowls, the lawsuit is under way, hopefully NObama will implode under the pressure and Hillary will step in so we won’t have to wait for 2012!
Did you see ladyhawkke’s letter?
Oh no! C4hill again? Nobama site here-we are allies with all anti Obamas, so don’t even start on our Repub allies!
#753 1gypsy4mc on 09.04.08 at 9:33 pm
Yep, bozo always does that when he is challenged. He did it during the debates all the time with Hillary. Also, check the youtube video when Joe Biden says bozo is not ready to be Pres during the debate. Bozo gets pissed and raises his chin.
Cindy McCain video was good.
Not to start any problems but I switched from the game to RNC convention really quick and I have to say I watched the show on Cindy McCain and I am quite impressed with her I had no idea all the things she has done in her life. She is a remarkable, caring woman, she makes MO look like SH*T !
760 bruce55555
Where can I find it?
749 BillieJo on 09.04.08 at 9:31 pm
Thanks for those quotes. I’ve been looking for those forever.
c4hill
BS/BO and Biden voted for the bridge to nowhere…what’s you’re point?
Oh, someone asked about the same day registrations – North Carolina is also supposed to be doing this – I got this from Repub HQrs in San Antonio: Ohio, PA, NC and I was told there may be more. I’m working in one of the districts in Bexar Country (another small town), but they still need help in many locations. I have an email address, but you may want to go through a Dem Hqrs. It’s a 4 hr training or less, am not sure. The other thing everyone needs to take with them is a CAMCORDER or cell phone that takes pics.
Someone called my husband today from Nobama’s campaign asking for money. He very politely told them we were voting for McCain becaused the Dems have temporarily taken leave of their sanity. He also told them Hillary was by far the better candidate and that the party’s treatment of her was despicable.
My husband has always been a champion of women’s rights so I am not surprised by his reaction, but never in my wildest imagination, or in my lifelong commitment to the Democrat Party, did I think it would be the Republicans who would have the guts and the integrity to unequivocally stand up in defense of a woman’s right to be treated equally along side men with dignity and respect.
Sarah Palin rocks and so does John McCain for having the courage and self confidence to let a highly qualified woman shine in her own right and in doing so not be diminished himself. Now, that is real leadership. The Democrats should be ashamed.
However, the DNC is not the only problem. While standing at the grocery store checkout counter tonight I was appalled to see the disparity in coverage of each candidate, their running mates and the families. What on earth is going on in this country? The various press are attempting to choose our elected officials by engaging in unbelievable and blatant bias. Are we still a free country?
I liked what they were saying on Fox, that Cindy was soft power.
She is not like a real strong speaker but I can see she will be the community organizer in the McPalin ticket.
757 brent222
762 Sisterluck
I don’t know what the “body language” all means, but I think when someone sits on the edge of a chair, they are ready to take “flight”. He still can’t talk without a teleprompter!! And Brent – the questions were direct and BO couldn’t perform.
#759 prowlland WTF, how did I miss this before, whoa that is messed up . Has anyone in the media reported this anyone Hannity , Glen Beck , Glenn would be a great one to send this to if you haven’t already, I am sorry I haven’t noticed you posting anything about this before i guess I’m not on here enough .
771 1gypsy4mc on 09.04.08 at 9:44 pm
Thanks. Very astute observation. If it’s in two parts maybe I can catch the second part.
Did he stammer?
#769 anniebelle – and as a person that travels regularly, I notice the same across the country.
This has been happening for years and it is only now that some are noticing it (PUMA and other like minded). Perhaps better late than never!
I love John McCain’s mom. She’s a fiery, strong, independent woman! I saw an interview with her during the primary…..forgot what show though.
#743 Cassie
That theory is based on Biblical references. But what I’ve read in the Bible says that God is all about repentance from evil and giving second chances to those who choose not to follow evil. If 2012 is really destined to be the end of the world, there’s nothing we could do to change that. But MANY “end of the world” predictions have have come and gone, for a LONG time and we’re all still here. All that being said, I’ve seen so much evil from the DNC this year, I choose to stand against it. Even if it seems like I’m living in the twilight zone, cheering for Republicans. Fear never gets us anywhere. Take action …however you deem necessary, but take action. You’ll feel better.
Hi Cassie, it’s on #751
to your state’s Attorney General
and your state’s Secretary of State
773 brent222 – yep and really didn’t know how to answer – it wasn’t a hard question: “Why won’t you admit the Surge was a success?”
Live Blogging McCain post up,
feel free to repost comments.
Take it upstairs!
PUMApac – Hillary Clinton – Here to Stay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUx8cqvNBts
From Our TrishfromCanada
Enjoy, put your feet up, have a brew or an ade!
Sorry I don’t post much but I read the blogs daily and I don’t mean any harm but this back and forth about MCCain/Palin allowed then, not allowed, is offensive, is confusing to me. Why so much disdain for the Republicans when the democratic party has failed all of us, can you change the party if Senator Obama wins, in my opinion no it will only get worse. Maybe we should all agree to disagree instead of putting people on guard about their choices. The PUMAS have come a long way, fought many battles, why tear that apart because of in house arguments about choices and feeling about this outrageous election; feelings are running high and some are looking for something to believe in since the lost of Hillary; they are alive again because of the VP pick not only because she is a woman, a strong woman who if elected will open doors for other women. To some what has been lost is now found. In the long run the goal is still the same just a different way to obtain it, no one is asking anyone to become a republican you can vote that way w/o becoming one. It’s just also the lesser of the two evils theory. GN all! Sleep well! And please no harm meant by this posting.
Carrie
Go take a look at The Obama File. Lots of info there, categorized and referenced:
http://www.theobamafile.com/
#773 brent222 on 09.04.08 at 9:49 pm
771 1gypsy4mc on 09.04.08 at 9:44 pm
Thanks. Very astute observation. If it’s in two parts maybe I can catch the second part.//
4 parts, one each night, 3 to go.
everyone i need help. is there anyone out there who does not want plain to succeed. Call me angry, bitter and hostile but hillary has fought too hard to shatter the glass ceiling and i want hillary to be the one to make history not palin… is what i am thinking wrong?
I despise tonight’s infighting. We are united against BO, The Fraud.
Love one another ♥
I watched the McCain Speech. The serious issues were addressed and I as a teacher I loved the prominence of education: I admit I wish we were left to dealing with our students and parents and not the Washington mandates…I’m going to bed. Good night, PUMAs!
WOW! McCain’s speech was unlike any other. Admitting the faults of the Republican party and how he was broken by the Vietnamese and saved by his fellow POW’s and why he is committed to serving America until his last breath. I have been an independent for many years because of all the corruption I see in both parties. I do believe that McCain is committed to changing that. Although I did not want BO as president I wasn’t a big fan of McCain either. That has now changed. I hope he suceeds and I hope PUMA PAC can do the same for the Democratic party! Go McCain!
159 BigCatLover ~~He admitted that his torturers broke him. I have to wonder how many men would not have been.
If only we could truly come together as a nation, putting principles before personalities, and take each issue, one at a time and resolve them in some orderly fashion. No one among us is perfect. And even if we were, there would always be someone with a negative opinion. Maybe it’s just the way of the universe…taking a positive energy and a negative energy to create a spark. If we could only learn to do it in peace!!
#547 storytellers
what I am going to do with my vote is make a good use of it, that clearly defeats obingo
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I am backtracking on the blog to see what I missed while doing outside the blog life stuff and ran across the prize name of the day for me…………
Obingo! Priceless.
549 slyt2
#543 BillieJo If you can, can you try and find out what we can do to make sure voting in your state will not be corrupted by the pretenders thugs?
I can try but I am not sure if I can get someone to really give me a straight answer, Michelle47 is from Ohio too, maybe she can volunteer too, also 18millioncracks is but i think she left this blog does anyone know? BO is coming strong for Toledo
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I am in California and today when I got off of the Bart Train there was a voter reg table set up for Obingo.
I told her I was a PUMA and pointed to my self made button I was wearing…a face of a pretty PUMA with words below reading. “If you hear the dogs, just keep going!” She looked at the pin, and then to me like I just stepped off of a space ship. I had to explain a little and said due to the caucus fraud with the obie campaign…I wanted to know who I could call and ask about security at the polls, to make sure this is a Democratic, honest election. She asked me to write my email address on her sheet, I said, don’t send me any Obama donate emails, she promised she wouldn’t. She was nice…no email as yet.
#599 Kelligesq
OBAMA AND DNC SERVED TODAY WITH BERG LAWSUIT:
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Excellent, thanks for the update.
I just hope the DNC doesn’t or hasn’t changed the law to let this bugger slip though the cracks again. How many free passes can cupcake get? Karma, where are you????
714 Kelligesq
Virginia PUMA
Impeachment. the same way Pelosi impeahed GWB.
and she’s behind obama. She’s the one who should be impeached. I sincerely hope her district votes her out.
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Speaking of impeachment, PUMA lawyers out there, Mama PUMA……….could any of the fraud in the caucuses get Obama impeached if he won the election first? If there was enough proof of vote tampering????
#722 Seattlegirl on 09.04.08 at 9:02 pm
Regarding the talk about McCain and Palin. I am not surprised and I don’t think it is inappropriate. First Palin is a great strong woman candidate like Hillary who just got mocked out of the primary by her own party.
——————-Before you fall in love with these guys, (now I am just posing the question here) do you possibly think the reason the Republicans are being so noble is not only because Palin was picked by McCain, and the entire choice and anti-sexism play is to win over Hillary supporters that is a clear weakness for Obama. If Palin were not their pick and Hillary was running against McCain (Oh I only wish) do you really think the Republicans would be as honorable towards her? McCain would be, they are friends.
#758 Cassie on 09.04.08 at 9:34 pm
749 BillieJo
That is so special. I’m going to cry. Thank you for the kind words! And thank you for not thinking that I am crazy. I really do appriciate it.
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You are a very special PUMA, glad Hillary’s words can pick you back up and ease your mind.
Her words help me when I am down.
re#796
yes thats true hillary and palin were both mocked all the way through their campaigns..
but in the end mccain chose palin as his VP and obama didn’t choose hillary,he humiliated her…. there is a difference there.
#760 Caracal Carrie on 09.04.08 at 9:35 pm
#738 BillieJo
I have been working on building a web site all day that will
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You are such a hard worker for the cause. Thank you.
The difficult thing of being on a large blog is reading all the posts. Could you post a gmail address of yours or ask Murphy to pass an email on to me so I can talk directly to you about what is on the page and what you need?
#768 brent222
749 BillieJo on 09.04.08 at 9:31 pm
Thanks for those quotes. I’ve been looking for those forever.
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Lately it’s all I have to hang on to without Hillary in the spotlight, (and the blog too).
#770 1gypsy4mc on 09.04.08 at 9:39 pm
Oh, someone asked about the same day registrations – North Carolina is also supposed to be doing this – I got this from Repub HQrs in San Antonio: Ohio, PA, NC and I was told there may be more. I’m working in one of the districts in Bexar Country (another small town), but they still need help in many locations. I have an email address, but you may want to go through a Dem Hqrs. It’s a 4 hr training or less, am not sure. The other thing everyone needs to take with them is a CAMCORDER or cell phone that takes pics.
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Is anyone making a list of the states that will change the rules to same day voting? It would be good to have when we compose a letter to the media and blogs to get the word out of potential fraud loop holes.
Maryland Puma:
it’s late, but just finally read all the comments regarding what to voice and not to voice on this blog.
I have to say, everybody chill out. Stay focused.
Pumas’ goal is to not hand O and the current DNC leaders control of this country in Nov. Our goal of “cleaning up” would NEVER be realized if they should win. And that is a fact you could take to the bank.
So first things first. I’m from Oregon, a state where if I vote for any third party or write in, my vote would be totally wasted–based on tallied voters’ & percentages, my precious vote would automatically go to O and the DNC. So, I really only have one choice—I vote for McCain/Palin. Done deal.
And just for the record here, this does not translate to me converting to a Republican. There are too many policies and past positions I don’t buy in to.
But if McCain wins, I win, and we PUMAs win.
Bo is defeated. It’ll be a triple hitter!
After the triple hitter, it’ll be time to strike at our main Goal, the DNC. Beginning Nov, we must continue and plan for our big house cleaning Party! While the Repubs are whoopin’ it up for the inaugural and the first 6 months in office, we’ll continue our Prowls and strategic goals that I’m sure Murphy will have setup for us. It’s going to be a long process but I believe we can do it if we all stick together.
It’s been a long, stressful haul guys. Maryland Puma, I truly believe after reading all the comments, most of us are just relieved there’s something to be happy about again. Pandering or not, it ’s been good to hear some positive spin and much needed talk-back to the Media and pundits for a change. Yes, it’s too bad Hillary wasn’t supported with the same. But I personally have to move on for sanity’s sake.
For a lot of us, it’s a way to bring our spirits up for something we can at least half-support again. The O alternative is too frightening. This doesn’t mean we’re all converting over to the Red side. It’s just a way to deal at this moment.
Maryland Puma & Murphy, please be patient with us.
You set the bar and the goals we believed in. And I suspect still do. Nothing’s changed. My advice is to let Pumas vent.
I predict that after we win our first goal in Nov, most all Pumas will continue to lurk and prowl wearing their bright orange to the ‘cleaning Party’.
Orange bandanas anyone?
–just one proud Oregon Puma.
sorry it’s late and the rambling….gotta get some zzzzzzzs.
What I posted on another site….
Palin is NO HILLARY CLINTON……but I am NOT VOTING FOR HILLARY CLINTON…Remember….she was pushed off the ticket!
I am voting for reform of the DNC/Protest vote to the DNC and MOST IMPORTANTLY to save this nation from B.Obamanation.. McCain/Palin is the least of the evils in this election.
Thank You Hillary….We Will Take IT From Here!
See Ya in 2012!
Wake up America and smell the coffee. American WILL SURVIVE 4 years of McCain…..America and the world may NEVER overcome 8 years of Obobo/M. Obobo.
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PUMAS ‘McCain/Palin’ are NOT bad words even for die hard Dems. Despite whichever way anyone votes….there will ONLY BE TWO CHOICES…..Barack Obama as president (think about what that phrase means) or John McCain as president.
One of those possibilities HAS THE BEST CHANCE of allowing HRC to return in 2012, the other, gives the LEAST HOPE. There is only one way to achieve the BEST CHANCE for HRC in 2012. McCain win.
There are MANY reasons any of us will vote in this election. Think about what your REAL ENDPOINT (should at least be NOOBAMA on this site), is and vote accordingly.
And May God Help America…..if it is NOT McCain.
Love the donkey Murphy!
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