Saturday Blogroll Roundup
At Alegre’s Corner, campskunk says that the Palin pick has panicked the Obama Movmt trolls. Very true, judging by the inhabitants of our dungeon here.
Anglachel makes it clear where she stands, pretty much.
At Canonfire, Gary Kamiya pokes a hole in the Obama Movement’s hope bubble that Pumas don’t exist.
Chicago Dyke at CorrenteWire explains why Palin is “an intelligent, and dangerous, choice.”
LadyboomerNYC fills us in on post-convention blog talk radio coverage — Thanks Lady!
Peacocks and Lillies Annabelle addresses the conundrum of voting options post-Palin in her own inimitable and snappy way.
People of Color (POC) Pumas has an in-depth convention log that is definitely worth a read.
Enjoy the first day of the Labor Day Weekend Pumas, we have labored long and hard for the Puma Movement, and we all deserve a little rest for regrouping.
Be wonderful to each other.
WELCOME New Members! Join Puma PAC HERE!
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whaaa???
Am I first?
Second. Not bad…
Great picture of Super Bo!
never been first
my mantra again
Nothing on Top (except me today)
No Way
No How
No Bama
go PUMA’s go
lets do lots of research here if you are struggling with the McCain/Palin ticket.
But remember the goal
NO BAMA
period
Good mornig PUMAS:
Saw this on Uppity Woman’sSite :
Annie Em, on August 30th, 2008 at 9:36 am Said:
A suggestion I read on another site is that dem misogynists who are suddenly concerned about Roe should have vasectomies. I am in 100% support of this and think the idea should be promoted.
This has always been a thought of mine too – along with the thought that if men could get pregant – abortion wouldn’t be an issue……………………………..
When Democracy returns to the Democratic Party, so will I. (changed my slogan cuz I can only speak for myself)
Good morning pumas. Last night on HBO, Bill Maher mentioned us. It was a hard show to watch, as I like him. He called Sarah Palin a MILF. If you don’t know what that means, it is pretty repulsive, ask your kids, they will know. There was a woman from NPR Maxine Martin who made great points and stopped the men in their tracks. This is what we are up against again now that a woman is in the national spotlight. Get ready it is going to be a bumpy ride.
Good Morning Everyone,
I have a new post up:
5 Reasons Why Palin’s Nomination Paints Obama In A Political Corner
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/08/5-reasons-why-palins-nomination-puts.html
Enjoy!
It looks like we have to speed into high gear again and defeat these people who attack Palin because she is a woman. I certainly do not agree with her all the time. Hey, she is a loyal republican, and I a democrat. What did we expect, McCain to go get Hillary to run with him? As nice as that would have been, Hillary cast her lot with the democrats long ago.
I look at it this way: McCain had the courage, audacity, guts, balls, etc, to put up a woman. He did that even though Hillary had taken the beating of her life, courtesy of her own party. He knew the people would be mixed on his choice, even inside his own party, but he did it anyway. That shows courage, both by Sarah Palin and by McCain.
Was it a pander? Maybe. But is was a gamble too. For the first time in our history, we have had a woman actually win the popular vote in the primary for president and a woman win the vp nomination on the other party ticket!
Any way you slice this it is a victory for women.
So let us keep that in mind.
Good morning PUMAs!
I am really enjoying the discussions on the blog. I am learning alot and I think it is important that we hear all points of view provided we can do that without condemning anyone. Of course these discussions must center on the PUMA mission. One thing that has struck me as very liberating is trying to stretch beyond pre-conceived notions of “Dems” and “Republicans”. I think the nomination of Gov. Palin has opened us up to exploring beyond stereotypes. No candidate is all or nothing on the issues and if we look beyond the surface and our own knee-jerk reactions based upon sound bites we can find some interesting new perspectives. The same principle applies to hot-button platform issues such as the environment and women’s rights. There have been some very insightful and informative contributions on these issues that place the candidates’ stances in the context of their culture and experience. So, as long as we remain respectful and adhere to our mission, I find this sharing of points of view in the past day very enlightening! Thanks, PUMAs. It helps me in prioritizing the factors that contribute to a decision regarding my vote. I keep going back to Bill Clinton’s formula, which I think is more brilliant in retrospect about candidate X and Y. Gotta go.
#9 Henerietta on 08.30.08 at 10:53 am
I agree with this 100% .
#9 Henerietta on 08.30.08 at 10:53 am
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Excellant points all around! Thanks for sharing!
810 HP Boston on 08.30.08 at 10:22 am Both McCain and Palin can proudly point to a lot of friends and associates in their past history Unlike Obama here are no gaps to hide or run away from. What was most notable at the Democratic Convention was the lack of anyone who could stand up for Obama. No one from his days in Hawaii, no one from his days in college or law school, no one from his days as a community worker or at his church of twenty years. No one from his days as a politician in Chicago. The only people we saw were a lot of celebrities like Oprah. Below is an article from the the real barack obama that further discusses Obama’s curious lack of friends that were there to stand up for him at the Dem convention.
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/
Posted by: Mary | Aug 29, 2008 8:16:36 PM
———–Wow great Mary…worth posting and reading again and again!
I send you PUMA LOVE!!
Posted by: HP Boston | Aug 30, 2008 10:17:56 AM
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I often post on ABC ( they are best at not deleting me)
I want to share this and you too can send MARY PUMA love, she ROCKS!
Hi Pumas:
I want to send my sister the links to the caucus fraud videos including ours if it is available. I have been trying to explain why I will not vote for Precious (excluding the obvious misogyny BTW – now being applied to another woman – will not stand for it).
If someone could post the links for me, I would appreciate it very much – thought perhaps they might be available at the action center but checked there and could find nothing so…………………………….
Also, I’ve asked several times if our Audacity of Democracy is finished or if it will be available before the elections and if there is a better copy available than just the trailor from several weeks ago?
Anyone have any anwers???
On My part, let the fellow PUMA folks take a look at this http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_obama.html link to get a more neutral perspective to speeches and use this to research further in this quest.
#9 Henerietta on 08.30.08 at 10:53 am
I agree that we must find some way to support Palin as a woman. We claim to support Women’s Rights then we can not sit by and allow a woman to be destroyed by the male chauvinist on TV. It does not make sense that we support Democratic women and allow Republican women to be thrown to the wolves.
I am shocked at the immediate attacks on Palin that are identical to what Hillary had to go through. Supporting womens rights now with Palin will only make it easier for Hillary in 2012. I see support for Palin as support for Hillary.
What do other think. What can we do. Are womens rights part of PUMA. It seems to me to be part of honesty and fairness and a fight against corruption. If we allow Palin to be cruxified then who will want to have a woman on the ticket. Only when we can have a woman on the ticket treated fairly will we have freedom.
We must stop Obama. This fight may have just begun. I do not think Obama is going to roll over and lose easy.
factcheck is an obama site!!
Good Morning Pumas,
I am reposting this again.
I agree totally that Palin is being held to a different standard. Sound familiar? You bet, the MSM is in full attack mode.
CNN ran a headline that Palin was being investigated because of a controversial firing. I will not stand by while another female candidate is trashed like Hillary. BO and his thugs are bad for America.
Everytime a BO pundit brings up Palin’s inexperience, it automatically triggers BO’s laughable “community organizer” resume.
Hannity’s comment was perfect. DP is questioning her energy credentials and BO is promoting “putting air in your tires and windmill energy.
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Oops! Is there any website more neutral?
good morning all.
I woke up thinking I have to tell Murphy that Nancy Pelosi is referring to [b]her New Democratic Party ![/]
could cause confusion.
and
something that should be in our New Dem Party Platform is:
1) NO Super Delegates,
2) Payoffs to elected officials to vote illegal.
2) Reform of Dem candidate process: NO Caucuses, 1 person, 1 vote of all dem voters.
Reform of
It is refreshing to have a new “Political name ”
with a reputation of honesty and working against
corruption.
It could enchance the chances of Senator
Clinton of being President in 2012., if all the Pumas
and Associates assist Senator McCain and Govenor
Palin defeat Senator Obama in November 08
Good Fortune, Shane, Ireland
HillaryistheOne
Thanks for the origins of Factcheck!
16 GoHillaryGo
Palin doesn’t seem to support women either.
Good Morning Pumas. I came across this website with all the candidates that are running:
http://www.politics1.com/p2008.htm
I’m still trying to get answers on what we are supposed to actually do on challenging the SOS in each state with regard to BO’s ineligibility because of lack of proof of citizenship . jbjd had previously set out law regarding this. I e-mailed Phil Berg as I want to know exactly how to go about doing that. Does the challenge have to be signed, notarized and sent by certified mail like we did when we wanted Brazile out. I’m hoping to get some answers and tomorrow will call my secretary of state and see if there is some complaint or a form regarding a challenge. Those of you who live in different states than Florida may want to call your SOS.
Okay, I’m showered and dressed…
time to hit the road on the last leg of my journey.
I’ll be home in 6 hours.
See youse later.
Well what I read on the fact check web site posted above should have the Obama bot fired by Obama. Not very nice in their facts towards Obama…not nice at all.
#22Shane: I wonder why it is the Irish have had no trouble electing women to run Ireland? Any thoughts?
#19 Rass poll SAME as yesterdays!! Interesting……
Be safe Dances!!
You will note that nowhere in the link I gave you at #25 is Hillary Clinton listed as a write-in. You can’t write her in unless she signs off on. It’s a wasted vote.
Looks like Palin will get the Hillary treatment – at least on MSNBC. Check the banner:
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/the-glass-ceiling/
What I find TOTALLY repulsive is to read a post that goes; ” I want a woman for President but not that woman,” many women use that line against Hillary and now they’re using the same line against Palin. I am 1000% positive suffragates faced the same complaint from other women when they marched and demand for women of this country THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
The reason why women in this country in spite of their rah rahs and womens lib can’t forge ahead especially in government, their WORST HINDRANCE is their OWN KIND. They’ve burned their bras to promote women’s liberation but when it comes to help their own kind move forward to break the ceiling, 50% of them are the biggest hindrance.
I might receive criticism from a lot of you but I have to say this as is, from my own observation. I notice in this country 50% of women don’t think for the “common good,” they think of theirselves first, what is best for them totally disregarding the rest even if they knew they’d eventually benefit from it in the near future. They’re too focused on NOW. They don’t understand to have a woman as VP in the Whitehouse will OPEN DOORS to other women. If you’re going to wait for another woman who is exactly LIKE YOU in everything you believe in, you’d die waiting for that to come. The first woman who cracked the good ole boys network in Wallstreet and went on top of the ladder was not caucausian, an Asian, her name was Josie Nattori. She said years ago, the biggest hindrance is always other women, they’d resent you when they see you’re working too hard to be treated in the same level as men. She cracked that ceiling in Wallstreet, many women followed her after that.
I am going to tally the pros and cons on Palin ….I hope I find more common ground with her.
OBUMA must not be president, he is more than dangerous!
Murphy
can we get a few people to the Rep conveniton. Is there something they could do. maybe even a few PUMA people who already live close. Or a few willing to drive there quickly. But only if they can do some good.
We need some fast discussion on the topic of going to the Rep convention to advance PUMA agenda. I think there has to be some good come from it. It would really demonstate a national presence and get peoples attention even more. More good TV exposure done correctly can help.
I am not willing to just sit back and watch Sarah get cruxified by the MSM. We must find a way to get our message out there. People do not have to vote for her but she should be treated fair and square.
Should we expect any thing different from the Obama campaign? There worried over Palin. She actually has Experience,values,and morals.All things Obama is lacking.She also goes after people that are corrupt in Government.Another thing that Obama should be worried about if Mccain wins. I LIKE HER,AND I WILL DEFEND HER against OBOTS. She is what this country is needing.
#35
am not willing to just sit back and watch Sarah get cruxified by the MSM. We must find a way to get our message out there. People do not have to vote for her but she should be treated fair and square
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EXACTLY!!
#8 jrhed on 08.30.08 at 10:52 am
Thanks for the article–it is a good one.
That is a good idea. Per network CNN, MSNBC, FOX tallying the number of sexist remarks, and type per network directed toward Palin. It could be the end of msnbc.
Susie1945
The documentary will not be finished until after November 4th — the end of the movie really needs to be Election Night.
However we have LOTS and LOTS of new material in the film now and will be releasing a few more clips between now and then — esp of Chicago and Denver.
Stay tuned.
#35 #37 I agree. I am beyond sick to my stomach of these woman hating, power mongering males who need to see a Jungian Analyst to figure out what the problem with MAMA IS!
Hi Pumas –
This is my reply to the MN DFL to a begging letter this am……………………
‘I will never vote for Precious for President nor will I support any downstream Democrats who ignored all of the sexism and misogyny that existed during this presidential campaign. No one – not one person – from the Democratic Party or the DNC stepped up to protest the way Hillary Clinton was savaged on the campaign trail, including other high profile women until after the fact. To me that is unforgiveable and that same treatment has already been started by Obama’s campaign against the Republican vp nominee who just happens to be a woman.
I don’t know who I will be voting for in November, but I do know who I will be voting against and that is Obama and any of his supporters. I am a PUMA democrat and I am not alone.’
>From: “Donna Cassutt”
>To: “Susan xxxxxxx>
>Subject: Now it’s time to get to work
>Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 01:10:46 -0700
>
>Dear Susan,
>
>I’m writing to you from Denver, where last night we witnessed history in the making at capacity-packed Invesco Field. The next President of the United States, Barack Obama, invigorated us with his message of change and hope for our nation’s future.
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>Hopefully you were able to watch the historic speech and you were as excited and motivated by Senator Obama as much as we all were in the Minnesota delegation.
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>Through his sincerity, his passion and his touching personal story of living the American dream, Americans have now been fully introduced to one of the greatest leaders of our generation.
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>Now it is our turn. We need to turn that excitement into action. We are in the midst of our 300,000 doors in 15 days campaign. Between now and the primary election on September 9, we’re pushing hard to
>reach 300,000 Minnesotans at their doorsteps. So far, in just a few days, we’ve already knocked on over 21,000 doors.
>
>We need your help to keep knocking to reach our goal!
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>There can be no doubt last night was one of the greatest moments in American history. And with your help, we will continue to make history between now and Election Day.
>
>Visit http://www.dfl.org to sign up to volunteer today.
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>Fighting to move our country towards a brighter future is certainly a great reason to get involved. But don’t forget we’re offering an additional incentive. At the end of every volunteer shift you donate to our cause, we’ll enter your name in a drawing for two
>free tickets (worth $250) to the annual DFL Founders Day Dinner in St. Paul. So the more you volunteer, the more chances you have to win!
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>Thanks to great volunteers just like you, we’ve already knocked on thousands of doors throughout Minnesota. Please help us reach our goal of talking to 300,000 Minnesotans by September 9. This election is too important and we have so many people to reach. Please join us today.
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>Sincerely,
>
>Donna Cassutt
>Associate Chair
>Minnesota Democratic“Farmer“Labor Party
>
>P.S. We know the best way to elect Democrats up and down the ballot is through one-on-one conversations. Please join us in our Minnesota discussion today. Visit http://www.dfl.org to find an opportunity in your area.
‘The fun just never ends – email sounds like the work of a community organizer doesn’t it – if I do some of that organizing – can I be the next Presidential nominee of the Democratic Party or do I have to find some wealthy thugs to pay my way first?’
Speaking of the MSM you might get a chuckle from Bill O’Reilly’s article. He has been all over MSNBC for their Obama infatuation.
http://townhall.com/columnists/BillOReilly/2008/08/30/the_peacock_and_barack_obama
#33 Asian4Hillary I totally agree with you. That is why Nancy Pelosi was against Hillary, she is very jealous of her and was part of the problem, along with Coward Dean, Harry Reid & Donna Brazilla.
14 Susie1945
http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm
anybody catch comments at HUFF……….
They believe Hillary needs to basically bash PALIN or she’ll never have a chance in 2012
#16 GoHillaryGo
I completely agree. We should not allow Palin to fall prey to the sexism that Hillary did. My vote will be going to McCain/Palin, without any hesitation. I will vote dem down the ticket and I pray that Hillary will be on the ticket in 2012. Due to new health issues, I think this is a good place for me to step off and let others take over. I hope that you guys are able to clean out the shop. I will continue to read here and watch the progress. Rock on pumas!
Some of these people have McCain’s one foot in the grave……and that Palin is not ready for Prez.
Hell she has more exp than BO
#33 Asian4Hillary
Wow! Totally agree with you. I hope you repost your comments again for those who may miss it.
BTW, love your posts.
MURPHY
I just read your reply to my questions late last night. I have only one request – I do not like the title New Democratic Party. I’d prefer Puma Democratic Party or other suggestions, but NDP is bothering me as too generic. I’d prefer something more identifiable or distinctive. I understand the goals but don’t see the need to form a new group. Okay, my last comment on this new group.
I think it is refreshing and brave of McCain to give a woman a chance. He has my vote. The Dems do not address the issues I care about. They just keep yapping about Roe v Wade and dissing their own female candidate.
I want an end to corruption, the Dems wildly indulged themselves in it during the primary and don’t see that as a problem. In fact they brag of their gamesmanship.
I want an end to East Coasters dominating national politics and Democrats have contempt for anyone who is not like them (clinging to their guns and religion).
I want to see full participation by women in politics and the Dems just told their most qualified candidate to sit down and shut up because she was a woman.
I want a non sexist MSM and that is not likely from the Dems as they used the media to dis their own female candidate.
I am pro choice but I don’t need an abortion, and I won’t be needing an abortion. Besides birth control has improved in availability, safety, and effectiveness since the 1960s where the males who run the Democratic party obviously had their development as humans arrested.
I am fed up with Democrats threatening me with Roe v Wade. If you want to talk to me about abortion law go ahead. Tell me how you are going to focus state by sate on protections for women. Oh, but that would actually be work and require you to do something other than yap wouldn’t it Dems? And of course actually addressing the problem would mean you could not use it to threaten women, right?
The most important issue for me in politics today is women having a voice at the top of a party that does not mock or degrade them for who they are or tell them to sit down and shut up. So I am a Hillary supporter who will be excited to vote McCain/Palin.
whats the polls saying today? anybody seen yet?
And regarding the ludicrous attack on Sarah Palins experience. She is running for VP NOT President. If people are truly worried about her foreign affairs experience she can go on a 14 day tour of Europe and the Middle East after the election and then she will have more experience than the Dems Presidential candidate. In fact I would announce one right now as soon as some sexist jack ass brings up the issue. Also if McCain dies in office then she, like BO can pick a VP who is good with foreign affairs, say Condoleza Rice or Powell. And that is all she needs to say when asked. Simply list off about 5 foreign affairs wonks she would want for VP.
You can tell Democrats are livid at her being picked. Personally I am thrilled.
#46 PA Guy on 08.30.08 at 11:33 am
[[anybody catch comments at HUFF……….
They believe Hillary needs to basically bash PALIN or she’ll never have a chance in 2012]]
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I plan to start sending Hillary a series of letters congratulating her for McCain’s VP pick. I’ll start by praising her for paving the way with her courage and determination during the primaries. But in each letter, I will also emphasize how McCain and Palin will ultimately be good for Hillary.
I firmly believe that McCain and Palin will treat Hillary far better than Obama would. Hillary and John McCain are friends. I don’t know yet how Sarah Palin feels about Hillary, but I believe it’s complimentary. So I think they will find a place for Hillary in their administration where she can really do some good for America, and I think they will treat her right in that position.
If Obama became President, he would treat Hillary very badly. Even if he gave her a place in his administration, he would sabotage and frustrate her constantly.
If Hillary receives enough positive reinforcement from her supporters, I doubt she’ll bash Palin. She may give the party line about Democrats being better for the country than Republicans would be, but her comments will at least be respectful.
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/08/5-reasons-why-palins-nomination-puts.html
I found this a very good thought provoking discussion on Palin. It has good deep insite into the Palin situation. It even mentions PUMA.
What are we going to do. I can not just sit here and do nothing. I will support whatever PUMA decides. It is important that we stick together as a team.
Go Hillary Go
Also why would someone try to have their ex brother in law fired? So he would no longer be able to pay child support which is the only thing his ex wife would consider him useful for? I don’t get the accusation? It doesn’t pass the sniff test.
I agree with the Puma about the new name, maybe Puma Democratic Party might be better.
I am sick and tired of Hillary being threatened with losing her seat if she doesn’t do this or that for BO and his thugs. We live in a democracy and not a communist country.
JUST LIKE PALIN, WE WILL STAND UP TO THE CORRUPTION IN THE DP AND KICK THE BUMS OUT!
Even the supposed anti-HRC comment that Palin made in March was stated SO RESPECTFULLY considering she is a Republican and HRC is a Democrat.
I will never go completely Republican because of the evangelicals, and Palin is by no means my “perfect” choice, but I won’t have any trouble voting McCain/Palin because they have both reached across the aisle and Obama is SOOOO awful.
I loved Asian4Hillary’s perspective on BTR last night.
A year ago, who would have thought that the Democrats, the pro-women, pro-equality party, would have lost their way so significantly? I don’t know anymore if it is capable of being fixed (after seeing the symbolic roll call), but if anyone can fix the Democratic Party, it is the PUMAs. I have faith in us.
Maybe he was throwing around his status as a State Trooper,being corrupt,and Palin decided that he needed to go.Ya know there is CORRUPT POLICE. We have already seen that.
I am reposting this from downstairs
A lot of discussion in regards to McCain’s vp pick, is it insulting to women? Will we follow because she’s a women etc…. Some on here, a lot on TV. Regardless of anyone’s opinion, including my own. I will say one thing, McCain at least recognizes the STRENGTH of the female voting block. And Hillary supporters. Unlike the Dems who felt we could and even should be surppressed. The Dems did not see us as a worthy issue. I give kudos to McCain for his choice. Knowing he would get huge backlash for panding.
As for the Palin vs Hillary issue. Palin is like the opening band at a concert. She is not the headliner! Nor would she have the job had the headliner not given her the oppertunity to begin with.
Seattlegirl
I have only heard bits of the story but it seems that he is a state trooper and was beating the crap out of his wife. the trooper head apparently decided to protect his guy and wouldn’t fire him for such illegal conduct.
Seattlegirl: What they are forgetting to mention is that her ex-brother in law was a state trooper accused of DOMESTIC ABUSE and threatening her parents.
#51 Seattlegirl
I’m with you on the abortion stance.
Tell me how you will reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies. Tell me how you will ensure that no woman or girl is ever raped again. Tell me how you will find cures for Down’s Syndrome and other maladies that cause some women to choose abortion over other alternatives.
Those who want to end abortion should do so sensibly. Address the factors that make it a perceived necessity, and we’ll have no more need for abortion.
28 Is that why Hillary wore Orange!!???
46 Hillary has to do what she has to do… I’m really not supporting Palin anyway. But Palin better not bash Hillary.
Neither party is what they were. The independents and moderates are the population majority. (they also hold mostly the same values as PUMA)
We need to advance women in all tickets, based on their works, not on their party. I will vote McCain & Palin. I will also vote for Gov. Christine Greguire, Maria Cantwell and Charlotte Garrido. All coincidentally downticket dems, but valued for their actions, rather than their party affiliation. Because if I had to decide whether to vote for a Pilosi-type dem or a republican, I really don’t think I’d be able to vote the ‘party line’.
Right now, a corruption fighting woman sounds very good. We will all have to do what we can to protect her.
Women are the largest, most reliable voting bloc and hold the purse strings in this country, we need to flex this muscle.
I think that Gov. Palin should meet with the Puma group(s) and other Dem womens groups. Has anyone extended an olive branch to her?
NJ1313: IMO, this is why Hillary wore orange:
http://ncrcafe.org/node/2020
#62 pa dem Read in the Wash Post this morning that he tasered his 10 year old stepson…he said the child asked him to …….one sick SOB….it’s a big article.
I am glad JM picked a women for VP. Makes it that much easier for me to vote for JM and rub the DNCs & BOs face in it.
I see the msm has already started their war against Palin.
They’ll probably treat her worse than they did Hillary, because they got away with it.
#680 EWard on 08.30.08 at 5:00 am
Thank you. I have been vindicated.
Still my question remains: What is PUMA going to do about this kind of misogyny? You stood up for Hillary Clinton against the DNC, you’ve objected adn protested the DNC. Is the media off limits or is PUMA also a watchdog in addition to being an advocate?
It’s not just JOn Stewart, his writers and the Indecision 2008 producers put the words into his mouth, but he has the final say before he spews such utter nonsense. Degrading women is no longer acceptable.
Anyone know if they review posts on Hillaryclinton.com? I can’t get my response to her speech to post on the blog. I haven’t had this kind of problem before. Anyone know? maybe it will post on Monday?
#50 I actually think you do need a new party, what ever you all decide to call it. The reason why is because you need to separate out people like me. I do not consider myself a Democrat. I am an Independent who voted Democrat at least 75% of the time. I have never voted a straight ticket and I never will. While I am not your enemy I do not share the same goals as you do. Clearly many of you have a deep sorrow for how your party has treated women and you are shocked by it. I am not shocked and while I feel your party has noble goals and a amazing history anyone who blindly follows it now in the face of their misogyny and primary corruption is just in love with their own illusions. I have no interest in rebuilding and purging your party although some one needs to do it. It is more likely that I will just go off and start voting Republican since they are the party who treats me with respect. But I admire your ambition and I will always give Murphy a listen and likely follow her most places.
I don’t know. Some of you are using the fact that John McCain chose a woman as his VP candidate as a reason or more reason to vote for him.
Palin is a great choice to be sure; however, her gender shouldn’t be a consideration (beyond the fact that she is teh first female Republican VP nominee).
….And for all the democrats who threaten me with Roe vs Wade;
GET REAL, Roe vs Wade will NEVER be repealed. We have a dem congress, and beside that it is based on the privacy act.
I don’t know yet how Sarah Palin feels about Hillary, but I believe it’s complimentary.
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I will bet the world that Palin really respects Hillary. Palin in her acceptance speach with John mentioned Hillary and the 18 million cracks. Saying lets crash through those cracks. She sees herself as building womens rights and Hillary setting the stage. She gives Hillary due respect for setting things up. But she knows womens rights must still be fought for. Palin will definitely get along very well with HIllary even if they may disagree on some legislation before congress. I know Palin will work with Hillary to accomplish tasks necessary.
I hope every PUMA can join with Palin. But I recognize we are not here to support Palin as a candidate. We give all PUMA members freedom of choice of their candidate. And I respect that.
But there should be a way to support those issues that we have in common with Palin. One big issue is that all women must be treated with dignity and respect.
My first goal is to defeat Obama. I consider him unacceptable. Next I need someone else to win the election and that means I will vote for McCain and Palin as the best means to stop Obama. I am a life long Democrat and I support Democratic principles. I am willing to support what is truth right fair and honest in politics. Palin is not perfect. But she has many good points and I believe she will help Hillary get elected in 2012. Palin brings the issue of getting rid of corruption in politics right out onto the front page. This is our issue in a different party but really the same issue.
I certainly would welcome a general election between Hillary and Palin in 2012. Nothing wrong with that. I see the possibility of some real change coming. Good Change.
Go Hillary Go
8 jrhed ~~~ Great article~~I hope we remember.
Also, I wish we could find way to get information to the Republican campaign that doucuments the manipulation and intimidation shown by the Obama camp in the primary/caucus as well as the blatant misogyny. Seems like it would be useful for them in counterattacking Obama.
NJ1313
Palin bashing Hillary?????
BO, the pundits, and his cyberbullies are out in full force attacking Palin. They launched the same disgusting attacks against Hillary. I’m saying this again, I will not stand by while another female candidate is thrashed.
BO IS ALL ABOUT POWER AND ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS!
#75 LivingGgrace
I believe they know, they know…
pa dem
Thank you for the post re: the orange revolution. Very insightful, explains the orange suit. Hillary is the master of the subtle message.
The Republican theme for the convention is a total shout out to PUMAs—”Country First”.
I was surprised and thrilled by that Orange suit. I figured she would have come out in Blue, the royal blue that she gave her last victory speech in, in support of the party. Orange was just sort of an in your face kind of thing. I think it is halarious how much effort was put in the media to make everyone believe is was strictly for lighting. That may have had something to do with it, but if she had strictly demanded Blue, she would have worn blue. Orange was just so vibrant and now has me reminded of Orange revolution.
It was an insult to the party that obama had a red tie. I know it seems like a really little thing, but you look at Clinton. You look at Democratic men who are waving the Democratic flag in the face of Repubs. They ALWAYS will have on a blue tie. ALWAYS. That damn red tie, I could have strung “the one” up with it. It was just another flagrant finger waving in your face that he is “above partisan politics” and actually not really a Democrat. Maybe bill can send “the one” some ties and teach him a thing or two. But of course, they already kow everything and bill Clinton is just a racist old style politician used as their collective punching bag until they want him paraded out and demand that he declare his unyielding support for “the one”
66 Pa Dem
Thanks. Interesting, I printing that out.
Does anyone know where I can get the 40 pg. rebuttle of Obama Nation?
Off the track here but, BO’s autobio bugs me! Haven’t read nor do I intend to but who writes a bk in their early 30’s and they haven’t done anything famous or notworthy other than being Pres. Harvard Law Review?
PLUS most of the people mentioned in it are made up names. To me that is an Autobiographical Fiction !!
#69 Kempion on 08.30.08 at 11:54 am
[[Still my question remains: What is PUMA going to do about this kind of misogyny?]]
I noticed your question several times last night. Thank you for keeping us on our toes.
I agree that we should take a stand against the deplorable attacks coming from the Democrats and the media.
There’s not much I can do personally for the next week, however, because I’m headed out of town for an important conference. But once I return, I will do much the same as I did for Hillary. I will write letters of support to media personnel and others who treat McCain and Palin properly and who speak the truth about Obama. And I will write letters of protest to those treat McCain and Palin badly and who wrongly promote Obama.
I don’t care if McCain picked a pig or a dog to run with him.
I am voting for him to “make a statment” to the DNC for the way they have treated 18 million people, Hillary, and Florida & Michigan. For the corruption and fraud that the DNC instigated, for the way they stood by and let Hillary be treated and talked about like she was some kind 3rd class citizen because she is a woman.
For the way they threatened the delegates and for the way they “selected” a candidate whom the most people did NOT vote for.
If I don’t stand up “this time” I will never stand up.
This woman needs some puma education:
MEGHAN DAUM:
A few PUMAs on the loose
Don’t tell these folks that Hillary Clinton isn’t the Democratic nominee.
Meghan Daum
That’s right, cable TV viewers, talk-radio listeners and blog readers of America: Just when you thought Clinton’s most ardent supporters had finally worked their way through the stages of grief and were ready to get behind the nominee, along comes evidence that they’re not just angry feminists moping because they won’t see a female president in their lifetimes, they’re self-sabotaging lunatics.
(snip)
Clearly, these PUMAs need to be hit with tranquilizer darts and dragged out to remote wilderness areas where cable TV hosts can’t find them. Even Clinton herself, though she didn’t, alas, come out and say “stop it right now,” effectively told her supporters in her convention speech to shut up and get with the program. (“Were you in this campaign just for me?” she asked.)
http://www.latimes.com/news/columnists/la-oe-daum30-2008aug30,0,5147485.colum
mdaum@latimescolumnists.com
I agree with Murphy… we all need a good rest away from the battleground otherwise we face burnout.
I Love McCain’s pick of Sarah Palin.. she’s the real deal, just like “our” Hillary and she has demonstrated many times she is not afraid of a fight!
Anyone see the long dog faced scowl on Obama’s face in the news? And the deer in the headlights look on Biden? ha ha! Obama looked constipated with his half hearted congratulatory message to McCain’s on his VP pick..
Paint a Moose face on Biden for the debates and on Obama, big old nasty Salmon who thought he was “King of the Lake” on the end of McCain’s hook.
Oh boy- our future is looking brighter everyday!
Have a great weekend all..relax and enjoy this little window of opportunity!
#74 GoHillaryGo
Yes, I heard Sarah Palin compliment Hillary in her speech. It was glorious. But I was cautious of citing that as evidence of how she feels about Hillary, since even Obama was forced to commend Hillary for all those cracks in the glass ceiling.
WELL… I have returned from the outermost Cape Cod, I tried to follow everything going on here with my iPhone, but the blog was so heavy with postings, it crashed my mini-browser!
I watched Hillary’s Speech Tuesday night but missed the BIG DOG’S AND I A, GLAD I DID since he apparently went full bore into electnig Barack yadayada. Bill is more of a politician than our Hillary, he is quite good at lying on his feet… otherwise, how to explain what I heard on FOX news on Tues while waiting for Hillary to speak, that Bill REALLY thinks BO is nothing but a Chicago THUG… anyhow…
I saw a Humpback whale named Puma on Thursday on a Whale Watch trip out of Provincetown. That was special.
So here I am in the aftermath of the weeks events, that I would have been a part of except for health problems. I wanted to stand with my partners in PUMA there in Denver, and now I need to get caught up with what all was happening there. I was on a news blackout until Hillary’s speech, for reasons of R and R.
Then… I turn on the tiny TV in the cottage, reluctantly, on Friday, to the very interesting news that John McCain with with Governor Sarah Palin for VP. I am pro-choice, pro-Marriage Equality and Human Rights for ALL, so I have mixed feelings about his pick. In my years growing as I have as a person, I cannot but hope that those in power will take into account all of the diversity in the people they are elected to Govern.
I think PUMA should play a roll, prowling about our shared democratic principles and concerns to Governor Palin and Senator McCain. It seems to me Gov. Palin is a compassionate person who puts people first in her style of governance. Sure she has just a little experience, but she truly is a Washington outsider. I have family who are Alaskans, those are rugged individualists out there who do not impose their rules on others in the way that they do not want rules imposed on them, e.g. less government types. My female cousins can shoot as straight as the guys, and the women from Alaska are tougher and more independent than your average.
I say more power to Governor Sarah Palin and Senator John McCain… I stopped being a single issues voter ages ago… but this time I will actually be gladly voting for a woman on the ticket. And voting out any incumbent Pro-DNC dems and any incumbent repubs I can get my hands on… that includes John Kerry in the primary coming in September.
Asian4Hillary ….You stated that so prefectly i am asking countusout to post you comment. BRAVO for speaking it just the way it is.
Women are the enemy of women in most all cases. They don’t stick together and they’d rather trust men to decide women issues. Men are not talking about women issues ( thats a true sad reality) Now they have a chance to vote a women and a good women they fight over the label, she’s not a democrat. Why would she want to be a democrat? Why would she won’t to be treated like Hillary by her own party? The democrats didn’t wont Hillary and Obama didn’t want a women. The dems will never let a women become president until women stand up for women
PBS is getting in on the attacks on Palin.
The local PBS station changed their line this morning. They are running a show about the decline of some seal in ALASKA. You just know, they are going to twist their argument (as they usually do in their documentaries) to blame Alaskan state (and federal) policies (i.e., Palin) eventhough she has nothing to do with the decline. I’ve seen thie documentary before. Whales are disrupting fish spawning as well as the seals aren’t following the miogration of fish – for their own reasons. It’s nature not government.
#86Firebelle Puma
yes and NObama’s comment had something to do with “his daughters” how condescending.
As my governor said about Hillary giving a “full throated” endorsement of the one, I wanted to hear Obama spend many many minutes. You know he had up on his website at one point (just after her suspension) welcome clinton voters, tell us your story. For goodness sakes, I’m sure SOMEONE wrote SOMETHING that would have been inspirational and would have spoken in a special way for all of us that he could have used in the opening remarks of his speech.
His little crumb throwing out about his daughters basically put us and Hillary at the level of a 7 year old.
Pumas –
I am willing to write to the MSM, etc. to protest the sexism and misogyny against Sarah Palin only because she is a woman and because no one stood up for Hillary until after the fact. I will not forgive myself for failing to catch that sooner……………….just so used to it that it didn’t register (which in itself is even sadder).
I have thought and thought about this but I am a Democratic Party member and have been for over 40+ years. It is hard for me to say sayonara to them and vote for a Republican…………..much easier to vote for a 3rd party. I respect John McCain for his service and for having the cajones to pick a woman as his presidential running mate. It truly shows that my party has great ideas but no follow through –
All of this just goes to show how much work all of us Dems have to do to get our Party back…………..
So, if there is a prowl or request to bash the media (go PUMAS) for their behavior, I’m ready…………..but Hillary is still my pick and I’m ready, willing and able to fight to get my Party back.
Murphy-LOVE your post this am. Have to go to the ALLENTOWN (PA)FAIR with kids now. Check you later!
I hope we have some new prowls tomorrow. I think that we should let the MSM know that we are still voting against Obama and that nothing that they say about Palin or our intentions will change that. I also think that we need to do something with the orange information.
#82 Firebelle Puma – I’ll be watching. :p
Now let us trace the record here: Obama and all his surrogrates as well as the MSM slashed her to pieces.
He , The One, never once asked anybody to stop.
Laws are broken inside and outside the Party during the Primary. After Hillary suspends, many of her supporter, i.e. we among them, refuse to support him
Hillary is supposed to solve that too, right? Now even after she asks people to vote for Him, we won;t and Hillary is supposed to solve that too. Her speech at the conventionwas supposed to doit…It didn’t. Hillary is supposed to solve that too. Now, Hillary is supposed to give to Palin what she got fromall of these sleze dogs? Hillary is supposed to solve that too.
This story is very akin to the abusing male who after doing what he is going to do the “his” woman, throws her out the door, tells her not to let the door hit her in the ass before she leaves, but oh..before you do that, GET IN HERE AND CLEAN UP ALL THE MESS THAT I MADE IN THIS HOUSE.
#90 Dem4Hillary
I don’t think it’s condescending that Obama referenced the opportunities his daughters will have because of Hillary’s efforts to shatter the glass ceiling. I think it’s condescending that he didn’t go further.
NewOrleansPuma
Right on. There was a terrible story about a man nwho used to pick up his wife, who was very frail, and stick her head into a bucket and wash the floor with her. I am not kidding. That is what I told Murphy last night. They want to use her to clean up their mess!
Check this out PUMAs ~ wooot!
August 30, 2008
Palin boosts McCain’s online haul
All that attention combined with the good vibrations from the base delivered McCain a financial shot in the arm yesterday.
His online haul from the Palin pick: $4.49 million, per a campaign aide.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0808/Palin_boosts_McCains_online_haul.html
Geeklove does it again. I thought the tears were done, but alas – we’ve truly been robbed and it hurts, terribly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kfZLuI1wqg
35 GoHillaryGo~~~ That sounds like a great idea.
#97hillary2008..I can tell you where that dude would find the real mop in his house if this were anyone I knew.
Simofish made a nice video tribute to HRC of the 18 million voices march in Denver. Be sure to read the comments at the end of the video. She sums it up so nicely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n7TjVU7XGk
I am attaching the following remarks from a BO blog called Rumproast. A blogger named Betty Cracker made these comments about Pumas.
Warning: I tried to edit out the vile remarks -
“Meanwhile, in a parallel universe, our fellow Hillary admirers had this to say: ”
#4 roxy4hill2 on 08.26.08 at 10:43 pm
What does this color pantsuit mean?
#19 pumetta on 08.26.08 at 10:48 pm
Notice how she is shaking her head “no” as she speaks….
#38 hillfan4mccain on 08.26.08 at 10:52 pm
Orange: tint of color of puma (cat) coat.
Uh-huh. The orange pantsuit was chosen to signal the mighty PUMA pride.
#40 doctorate on 08.26.08 at 10:52 pm
She is talking to us right now!
“Yeah, you d#mb m#th#rf#ck#rs. She’s telling you if you believe in what she stands for, don’t vote for the dude who stands for the exact opposite. ”
This type of trash talk is all over the web from anyone that opposes BO.
I’m taking on the corruption in the DP and MSM and throwing the bums out!
NewOrleansPuma:
(Before I respond, I hope you are okay and have a place to go)…
You are absolutely right… Its utterly amazing.
I cannot believe that obama has YET to call CNN off the clintons. I believe the DNC and the Obama campaign have the power to do it. I cannot believe that they cannot see that their continued back stabbing and abuse of the Clintons is literally tearing apart this party. Now, that she is out of the race, it’s just open season, CNN doesn’t even HAVE to have anyone on there and anyone who would dare go on to say ANYTHING would be thrown out of the party.
HOWARD DEAN, IF YOU ARE SMART, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING OF PARTY LOYALTY LEFT IN YOU, GET ON THE PHONE TO CNN, GET DOWN TO ATLANTA, STOP THE CLINTON ABUSE ON MSM (CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ETC.) AND TELL DONNA BRAZILE TO GET THE F- OFF OF CNN!!!
#94 Kempion on 08.30.08 at 12:16 pm
[[#82 Firebelle Puma - I’ll be watching.]]
I’m counting on you to do more than watch, pal.
If it weren’t for my fellow Pumas, I wouldn’t know half the stuff going on around me in the political arena. I don’t have time to monitor the TV, newspapers, etc. all day. Nor do I have the time to find contact information for everyone who needs a little Puma love or Puma scolding.
Granted, I don’t follow all the links and don’t follow up on everything. I’d never get any of my own work done if I did. But when information and resources are posted here, it makes it so much easier to take action.
#98Mick: I am sitting here waiting for a load of clothes to wash to get ready to evacuate today or tomorrow.What are you doing? Gustaf is a big, nasty, sucker.
One thing I find very admirable and courageous about Palin is that she wasn’t afraid to stand up to the corrupt GOP Governor of Alaska. It would be great if we had someone like her to stand up to the corruption in the BO campaign and the Dem party. If only Hillary could have taken it a step further…maybe this is where Palin comes in!
Fox news is asking for opinions on Palin. You can reach them at weekendlive@foxnews.com
This is what I sent:
Yes! McCain made the very right choice in Palin. She is the perfect running mate for him.
I would like to request that you, Fox News, make sure she isn’t Hillaried. By that I mean you need to see that she isn’t attacked for her motherhood, her womanhood, or demeaned in the ways that Hillary was by even her own party.
In short, treat her like any other candidate, don’t bring any of the gender issues into it, and don’t allow your guest pundits to do so. And if they have done it in some other forum, take them to task. The whole country will thank you.
Heneri
Indiana
#98 Yeah, I sent McCain $100. Knowing full well that they now have my number and will keep requesting more. Which is fine with me I will send $$$.
I read some commentaries as to where palin was not for social rights more or less
I rather have someone that is sincere and tells you where she stands than has someone that flips-flaps all the time and is revoltingly disrespectful to women, and to any opposing ideas
at least I think with MM everything practically could be worked out, where as mr extravaganza is a totalitarianism
and also MM had the decency and respect for all women
he had made a winck at us and at HILLARY, I see as a tacit support,
which does not means that I will turn republican, MY SET OF VALUES ARE MORE OR LESS WHAT THE DMOCRATIC PARTY STANDS FORTHEORETICALLY, because in practice righ now they are a bunch of thugs
#103 EWard
The blogger you “quoted” is very much mistaken.
Orange is directly opposite blue on the color wheel. Hillary not only made herself stand out as much as possible against the blue backdrop, she also painted herself in stark contrast to the sham the DNC has become.
108 Henerietta on 08.30.08 at 12:27
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Tip o’ the hat to you yet again! great email.
NewOrleansPuma ~~~~ lol you rock!
J. Carville and Anderson C. were talking last night re. Palin’s political history.
Of note,
– she supported Pat Buchanan’s bid for President (in 2000, if I remember correctly), and
– she is for creationism being taught in schools.
No Obama – unsure who….
#84 Puma Punch – I sent an email to Ms Daum at the LA Times:
“The one thing I truly have difficulty in understanding is how women continue to pick, pick, pick at each other and denigrate any achievements other women obtain. We are our own worst enemy. Your articles attacking us Pumas may make you a superstar in your own mind and in the minds of your readers -both male and female – but perhaps, just perhaps, there will be one or two people who read your words and wonder why is she doing this. I wish I had an answer but unfortunately, I don’t.
I continue to promote the Puma organization. We are beyond protesting the misogynist and sexist treatment of Hillary Clinton throughout the primary campaign. We are protesting the selection of an immature, inadequate, unqualified male for the highest office in the land. We are protesting the lack of a full roll call vote of the delegates at the convention – contrary to the media misinformation – neither candidate achieved the required number of pledged delegates prior to the convention. Super delegates only vote when the nominee fails to reach the required number of delegates.
Of course, all of this information was available with a little research, but somehow journalism is no longer journalism – it has utterly failed to live up to this premise as the 4th estate – to give meaningful and objective information to the millions. Now that the majority of media is controlled by big business, I guess that is to be expected but, if people like Edward R. Murrow and others of his stature, were able to see what has happened to the media, he would probably resign.”
Dem4Hillary: thank you, D. We are going somewhere. I just don’t know exactly where right now. This is really too much trauma…but at least I must say the Feds are already down here and help organizing etc, is going well, in contrast to 4-5 days later..Creeps.
Hello, PUMAs,
Here is a very brief piece from Fox News yesterday afternoon which contains — in its entirety!/i> — Hillary’s statement re: McCain’s VP choice of Sarah Palin. Also included, a VERY frank comment by Howard Wolfson. Good for you, Howard!:
August 29th, 2008 4:34 PM Eastern
Hillary Weighs In on Palin
by Aaron Bruns
Hillary Clinton was supposed to be the groundbreaking woman in this race; instead, after an eventful convention, she’s relegated to the sidelines — while the almost universally unknown governor from Alaska makes a bid for the female voters aides said Clinton would garner in record numbers.
HRC issues a tepid statement — pro-diversity, anti-GOP. “We should all be proud of Governor Sarah Palin’s historic nomination, and I congratulate her and Senator McCain,” she says. “While their policies would take America in the wrong direction, Governor Palin will add an important new voice to the debate.”
Ex-Clinton Communications Director Howard Wolfson blogs that, with the Palin pick, “you are going to have a lot of women voters wondering why Senator Obama didn’t tap Senator Clinton as his running mate.” [Emphasis mine]
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/08/29/hillary-weighs-in-on-palin/
NYCgirl
Very true storytellers
Obviously for me the gay rights issue is important. Palin opposes gay marriage, so does BO. But one thing I can say for her is that she does do domestic partnership benefits for state employees, which is a lot more then most states do.
And what do the Ukranians teach us? To take a public stand for democracy, justice, peace. To resist our government’s lies, corruption and wars. To resist with meticulous nonviolence. To say “No” to the manipulation of the election process. To get organized and keep at it – before, during and after the election.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
very inspiring. Definitely why Hillary used Orange.
A big problem we face in America is the naive people who believe that all elections are the model of honesty and fairness for the entire world. Most Americans find it too hard to believe that there is any cheating in American elections.
I can tell you how Democrats are cheating at elections right here in Massachusetts.
I know Obama will cheat in this election. It is the way all Chicago elections are held. Obama will simply bring the corruption to a national level as he already has done in the primary.
We have not won the general election we must continue to work hard right up the election time.
What is the purpose of a trade union? Palin’s husband is a working member of the United Steel Worker’s as she was also a former union member when she workedat the level of an hourly worker…What is a union set to represent if not social rights?
Orange Revolution
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Reply to: see below
Date: 2008-08-28, 4:56PM EDT
Independent Ukraine’s fourth presidential election since the collapse of the Soviet Union was supposed to reach a final conclusion in the Nov. 21 runoff. On Monday, the Electoral Commission said preliminary tallies showed Moscow’s favored candidate, Yanukovych, ahead by three percentage points. But immediately, there were widespread accusations by Ukrainian and foreign monitors of massive fraud that included voter intimidation, physical assaults and the torching of ballot boxes. Yet the state-controlled media, which had backed Yanukovych through the five-month campaign, were reporting no major violations. Convinced the election was being stolen from the rightful victor, supporters of Western-leaning opposition leader Yushchenko poured into Kiev’s Independence Square to demand that their man be recognized as the winner. City residents mixed with swarms of protesters from across the country, all of them wearing something orange, the color of Yushchenko’s Our Ukraine party. Despite heavy snow and freezing temperatures, the crowd was in a festive mood, eager to embrace Yushchenko’s orange revolution against the country’s Moscow-backed old guard.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,901041206-832153,00.html
It might be appropriate to understand the nature of campaigns: They have to have someone to pick a fight with. They have to have someone to say sensational things about. They have to have someone to bully. The Clintons have been made an easy target by a long time effort by many people to discredit them. First they make sleazy sexual or bitch jokes, then they continue to rachet up the mantra.
The main stream media are all about knocking down the Clintons because they are unique in American Politics. Both are powerful, that isn’t usually the case. One is usually the follower and supporter, not a powerhouse all on their own.
Palin seems to be more in the mode of Hillary than other Republican women. That will make her a target too. But the msm and Obama will not stop with the Clintons until they leave politics, unless, of course, he loses, then all at once, they will be the celebrities again.
Be back later Pumas – off to snap fitness for a workout – too much sitting on my butt the last few days glued to TV & computer -
WHAT THEY MEDIA IS DOING WITH WOMEN POLITICIANS IS VOMITIVE
THEY SHOULD BE SANCTION ON PUBLIC HARASSMENT CHARGES
Kempion,
Please see my posts to you on the previous thread @
#824 BrooklynNY on 08.30.08 at 10:48 am
#837 BrooklynNY on 08.30.08 at 12:27 pm
You were right; I was wrong. I am so sorry for biting your head off before carefully checking what you were saying. It was a rough day. My sincere apologies.
114 pumetta on 08.30.08 at 12:29
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To me, a moderate Dem who is conservative fiscally but moderately liberal on the social issues, the fact that she’s so to the right on the social issues is pretty much over ridden by the fact that she is so very, very fiscally responsible and a big ethics reformer. That to me is much more inportant to where our country needs to go over the next four years then are her far right stands on social issues, which are primarily still in the hands of the states where they should be handled, in my opinion. Her stances are constitutionally based from what I’ve seen, a definite plus, and she’s not Washington entrenched. She very much, to me anyway, represents change that we could actually believe in as far as politicians go, if she and McCain could actully get in and clean house ethically! LOLOL
#121 Headclunker: Sound Familiar? For a moment there I thought you were recapitulating the Democratic Primary.
#114 PUMETTA
” she is for creationism being taught in schools.”
THIS IS A VERY DISTRESSING POINT IN MY HOUSEHOLD
My husband has PhD. in theology, however is also a clinical scientist and DOES NOT support creationism. I am a teacher, and DO NOT support creationism in schools either, but I am excited about Sara. I really don’t want to see the VP’s stand on this issue given so much weight. I’m conflicted . . he won’t vote McCain, and I will.
Read this article in “Mother Jones”: http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/08/9373_clinton_supporters_puma_denver.html
http://www.howcableshouldbe.com/
Here is something you can do. The media in no way reflect the American culture of public. All the stations, broadcast or cable are owned by 5 corporations run by old men. No one else can bring a channel to market because they act as gate keepers. These old men do not see the channels as entertainment but as advertising venues. They do not see subscribers as customers they see the advertisers as their customers. They sell their ads based on how many homes there channel goes to. So they force you to take channels you find offensive like MSNBC if you want to get anything. There is no free market. These corporations do not suffer if people reject their programming they simply stay on, sell ads and that works for them. Go to this web site, see what you bill should be if you dumped all the crap you don’t want. Then write you government representatives to support cable TV a la carte also called cable choice. Under choice misogynist stations like MSNBC would not be around, the free market would be restored.
#115 Susie1945
My email to Meghan Daum:
Sorry, Meghan, pumas are not extinct. In June media pundits declared that Hillary supporters who were resistant to the Obama magic would “get over it” and “come home” after going through he five stages of grief. Polls have shown it didn’t happen.
You single out some women for ridicule but neglect to mention prominent puma spokespeople such as Darragh Murphy of PumaPAC and Will Bower and Diane Mantouvalos of JustSayNoDeal. I am proud to have them speak for me.
Pumas will not vote for Obama. Some of us will not vote for president, some will vote third party, some will write Hillary in, and, yes, some will vote for McCain.
112 Nobamadem:
Thanks, I try…………………….
Gustaf sounds dangerous – stay safe Pumas.
Kempion
BrooklynNY and I apologized to you on the previous thread, not sure if you saw it – regarding the Jon Stewart show, you were right, we’re sorry!
All pumas in the wake of the storm – please take care, and be safe!! We’re praying for you all!!!
#128 Rancho
Our household, too, is finding it an extremely difficult decision, and so are waiting to see what the next 2 months bring…
I find the VP background discussions important, in case they may be President someday (whether by default or through a future Presidential bid of theirs, i.e.,2012).
JMO…
#111 Firebelle Puma
With respect to the color orange, there are many interpretations, depending on where you look to your information:
If you are inclined toward yoga, tai chi, or other Eastern systems and spirituality, the color orange represents physical energy. Hillary certainly was energized during her speech!
Maybe she just woke up feeling orange that day! She just sprang out of the house, roaring and ready to ROCK!
NYCgirl
Thanks for the prayers for all of us along the edge.
And for the record, New Orleans Puma is very aware she isn’t the most balanced in her comments today, Pumas…She, I appreciate being allowed to be somewhat raggedy today!
#33 AsianforHillary:
“The reason why women in this country in spite of their rah rahs and womens lib can’t forge ahead especially in government, their WORST HINDRANCE is their OWN KIND. They’ve burned their bras to promote women’s liberation but when it comes to help their own kind move forward to break the ceiling, 50% of them are the biggest hindrance.”
AsianforHillary, this needed to be said. Thank you.
Your comment is absolutely 1000% right on. Any of us women who’ve worked in corporate America as well as some academia and science-related professions knows this for the sad fact that it is. I have well-educated daughters now having to deal with this in their respective work places and I find it unbelievable and shameful that it continues.
Regarding my vote: I cannot and will not be labeled a Republican. But as the current Democratic Party has left me behind, I am now ready to sprint passed—casting my “Protest Vote” for McCain/Palin, like Murphy. McCain’s selection proved his ability to dare the establishment.
The fact Nobama’s Dems and ‘tanked’ Media have instantly attacked the choice is no surprise. But for a Democratic Party that should instead be fighting back with strong benefit points and positioning statements, they’ve once again failed miserably. Attacks and rhetoric appear to be their only strategy.
I believe McCain/Palin’s November success will jump start the bus to first gear for us New Dems in 2012 and beyond.
A big salute to PUMAs and New Dems everywhere.
wow, going back to previous conversation about cleaning up a mess. I just went to the link of the blog from the former clinton communications director and here was one person’s response…
“They need to get Hillary out there right now talking about Palin is wrong on all the issues that are important to women voters. ”
YES THAT’S RIGHT, HILLARY TO THE RESCUE. What Obama can’t do that? They need Hillary for that, too…
Pumetta
. . I’m also opposed to “school vouchers” and merit pay
for teachers. I teach in a public school, and I am EVEN MORE concerned about these issues, as well as most of my teaching friends. These are real issues for me!
(I HOPE MCCAIN “handlers” ARE LURKING ON THIS SITE)
I am still excited abt. the ticket, and see it as the “less bitter” pill.
Good morning . . . well maybe good afternoon, PUMAs.
Sarah Palin looks good to me.
After the way that Hillary rolled over, I ready to start campaigning for SARAH-2012! She’s going to be in a great position to be the first woman POTUS.
I don’t care if I disagree with everything she stands for. I’m going to be 60 and I don’t know if there will ever be another chance.
Sarah-2012.
Today has been a busy day. Just donated to the McCain campaign together with a note complimenting him on his VP choice. ( Never thought I’d be donating to a Republican. )
Next project is to watch the media and protest whenever they try the bs that Hillary was subjected to
on Palin.
Then, support Hillary for position of Senate Majority Leader
Last but not least, work to defeat Kerry and Delahunt locally and Pelosi and Obama nationally.
Hot dog! McCain really has the balls that Obama lacks. I’m fired up!
Murrphy
What was the media’s reaction to the caucus fraud during the viewing in Denver?
Still think it would be a real kick if in 2012 we had as nominees Palin and Hillary. Whatever would the little Obamabots do then.
Isn’t it interesting that McCain chose a strong woman and Obama chose a daddy figure.
mpdamon: You are on a roll…Continue!
#137 NYCGirl:
The orange could have been anything.. But, NOT wearing blue at all was truly sort of a surprising thing.
Go back and look at that last victory speech from NY. she’s is blazing in Blue. She is the warrior of the Democratic Party. She was CLEARLY AND LOUDLY saying that night that she was taking it to the convention floor, in speech, energy, and CLOTHES. Blue is the Democrats color. When they want to make a statement, it’s blue. When they want to be united, it’s blue. Blue is our party’s color.
now whether or not you want to take the orange suit all the way to “orange revolution” that is open to intrepretation. But, that Orange suit was a clear that she is not all lovey dovey with the Democratic Party.
Likewise it was ASTONISHING that the nominee had the audacity to come out in a RED tie. He should have been sporting a Blue tie. Watch the Repub convention. Watch past dem conventions. Democrats wear blue. It’s this whole unity and us against them kind of thing. It was truly a slap in the face that obama wore a red tie. It truly was.
Henerietta–Thanks for the prowl. Prowl complete.
To all the recent PUMAs, the last few days is not overall indicative of what you will see on this blog. Most of the time you will see postings where we discuss the actions we are completing and motivating each other to do more.
I would love to see a list of the “Good Guy Dems” who really didn’t screw us over in Denver. There has to be *some*.
Bill Clinton talking at Memorial Service for Stephanie Tubbs Jones today, just reported on FOX.
Stephanie Tubb Jones memorial service now on FOX. Bill Clinton just spoke. They will be showing bits and pieces.
Any Jungian Analysts here?
And in another tradition: Isn’t there something about orange being the color for sexual prowess in Hinduism or something…? Forgive me here, someone knows what I am trying to remember.
I, too, am an educator (albeit not in a public school) and can appreciate what you are saying. My hat is off to you – Teachers have the most important job (they have our children!) and our society should reflect that.
Happy Saturday everyone and welcome to the new bloggers. I hope everyone is doing well and to those who were in Denver, thank you for taking our fight to a new level
#152 was for Rancho
hey trish!
Sneak preview of interview of John McCain (and I think Sarah Palin too) by Chris Wallace to be aired on FOX shortly.
#147 Dem4Hillary
Not being a Democrat (I’m an Independent), I never knew about the “Blue is the Democrats color” point. Whatever the interpretation, the orange pantsuit did turn heads and get everyone talking. Nice work, from that standpoint anyway!
NYCgirl
Have to go get other things accomplished – have a great day, Pumas!
Hey Trish! You have been missed around here!
BrooklynNY:
http://www.indecision2008.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=183521
I do not lie.
See you all later. Good posts today!
ARRRRGH! I went to edit my last post and hit “submmit” instead. lol
Anyway, the link is to Indecision 2008, wherein, Jon Stewart calls Sarah Palin John McCain’s third wife then compares her to a cinemax whore character.
You be the judge.
http://www.indecision2008.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=183521
#108 Thanks for the Fox Link, Henerietta
My e-mail to them:
This is one Hillary supporter who today sent a donation to McCain-Palin. Sarah Palin appears to be a strong, self-assured, and highly competent woman reflecting the best spirit of American women pioneers.
In addition to the misogynistic propaganda Palin is up against, I am outraged that CNN and MSNBC commentators are questioning her ability to be VP because she has a child born with Down’s Syndrome. They are promoting discriminatory practices against parents of disabled children. Where is the ACLU and NOW? They should be on every network raising hell about this. Obama’s supporters, amazingly enough, have sunk to a new low.
pumetta . . .I have taught in private schools for 3 years and public for 20. I RESPECT the work you do because I have had a taste of it, even though small. Public schools turn no one away, and our concern for vouchers is for those children who are not in a position to choose. I take pride in my work and vocation and DO NOT want to be “rewarded” like a business for high test scores. with merit pay! NOONE WOULD WANT TO HAVE THE TRULY ‘NEEDY’ IN THEIR CLASSES IF THEIR PAYCHECK WAS AFFECTED.
I DO HOPE MCAIN “HANDLERS” LOOK AT THE HIGH NUMBERS OF PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATORS THAT ARE BEING TOLD BY THEIR UNIONS THAT THEY NEED TO VOTE OBAMA BECAUSE OF THESE ISSUES!
Murphy . . will Puma ever have McCain’s ear on any of their platform concerns?
by now we know almost everything about the republican VP
but
we have democrat coronated candidate that up today we do not if he meets ctizenship requirements to become presidente
I find much, much more lighter all the arguments that the manipulated media is vomiting about palin, there is no compariso with someone that sits for 20 yrs listening to an antiamerical radical, and top it off being his spiritual mentor,also someone that gestate his politcal carrer @ an american terrorist
#141 Rancho
Ditto on the “school voucher” issue.
NYCcowgirl:
Yes it did turn heads. It was AWESOME. Whenever we have major speakers or whatever, I wear blue and Democrats generally wear blue. I even have a black and blue formal that I wear to formal events and wore to our (formally democratic) governor’s ball that was open to the public. If you watch democrats and republicans, 99% of the time, the democrat will have blue and republican will have a red. (I always associated Repub red with blood spillage either literally or figuratively throughout the country because of them). It’s sort of like wearing the colors of your favorite team.
On a personal note, I am now ONLY wearing pants suits to any function that I may attend with the Democratic party. I generally wear pants suits to important functions. But, now, if we’re voting on who has the biggest sh-t I’ll be there in a damn pants suit… Always!
Before I resigned my positions in the party, I wore a pants suit to the first meeting after suspension and I had people come up to me and ask me what was with my clothes. I told them that I would always stand with HRC and that I was now wearing pants suits to any and every DEM event in honor (and in some ways I feel in memory) of her.
#163AmiEm
I thank you for your post! I can’t believe this is happening.
#165 storytellers:
You have a valid point about knowing and finding out information about Palin and not knowing a damn thing about “the nominee”
Dem4Hillary: Good for you!
#151 NewOrleansPuma
Let me first say that like everyone else on this blog, I hope you and all of our Gulf Coast PUMAs will be safe and not catch the brunt of the coming storm. I contribute to a charity that continues to help the victims of Katrina and Rita long after our own federal government threw those people under the trailer.
Anyway …
Yes, in yoga, the color orange also represents (among other things): giving and receiving, emotions, desire, pleasure, sexual/passionate love …
… Feel free to draw your own conclusions …
Later, PUMAs!
NYCgirl
Rancho:
http://www.gopplatform2008.com/intro.aspx
For those who want to have a direct effect on the platform.
#118 Queen81:
“…But one thing I can say for her [Palin] is that she does do domestic partnership benefits for state employees, which is a lot more then most states do.
Good job responding w/this fact. You might want to research any other ‘good’ benefits and health-related causes Palin’s made during her leadership and post as you find. I’m sure Nobama and Media will point fingers where they obviously have no right since Nobama actually has NO experience on record for changes that he’s made for gay rights or health issues.
Pounce on it PumaQueen!
#65 Pa
Appreciated your comments. I’m in WA state. Our education association is solidly behind Gregoire. I responded to the WEA president’s message this week to support her. The president actually e-mailed me back personally. I’m not happy with Gregoire because of her support for O (early on), but the alternative to her (Rossi) is not an option. I did write to Gregoire and told her my feelings, plus I had an opportunity to tell her personally (in a thoughtful and professional way) that I was a HIllary supporter. The situation came about in a bathroom of a community center in rural WA state. We shook hands and parted congenially when I said my vote was still with her, but no money. I strongly support Senator Murray, Cantwell, and Hooley in Oregon (who left office this year). They are women who do hard work, stay the course no matter the heat, and have worked with Rs to gets things done for people. These women are my examples. I’m looking for some hint as to Gregoire’s statement on the Palin pick as Gregoire has to work with her closely on ocean fishing issues (big in WA, OR). If she says nothing, that will tell me something loud and clear. Usually, that means she is staying out of the fray and not going to offend someone who important to work with. I trust she will bide her tongue. We’ll see.
Rancho –
I understand where you are coming from. And I hear your frustration. Try contacting the campaign directly to voice your concerns. They may hear you.
Seattlegal, Fire Chief
Anyone in the Seattle area, please keep me informed as to Gregoire’s status on Palin if you read and hear anything. We don’t get much TV or news done here in SW Washington about WA. It’s mostly Oregon.
Hi PUMAS. I know everyone is either voting McCain, not voting, or for 3rd party. I hope the PUMA movement stays strong and powerful as it is today. It’s amazing how many people know of it. I hope everyone stays aligned with common goals: Keeping Nobama from stepping foot inside the WH, reforming the corrupt Democratic party and taking it back from the horrible leadership, and stopping the MSM and Nobama campaign from any further sexist attacks that they think they got away with doing to Hillary. I may not agree with Palin on all issues but I will not let them do to her what they did to Hillary. The Nobama MSM and bots are scared and desperate now and so let the games begin.
#151 NewOrleansPuma -
Can I admit now That I am from the sub-continent Asia and the color of “Orange” is actually a sacred Hindu Color. Unfortunately, pardon my strasight talk. Some media and false portrayal of this region in the western world associates this region with wrong notions.
Orange is on the Indian Flag (as is White and Green). By conincidence Green is sacred to “Islam”. Please Pumas, make your own inference. “Red” is ceremonial and sacred at weddings for example and don’t you know Red from the Far-East pictures Flag et al.
I would advice people to see the world as it is rather than the way they would like to see it. What make the PUMAS special here is that PUMA folks see the world as they should and this is a good sign. I shall continue to provide concrete and factual information when and if required and I wil mince not meat in providing information about the region, I admit, far from how you see it in CheapNN and MSNBC
#172 pa dem re repub. platform
Thank you SO MUCH!
(It was so hard looking at the title “Republican Platform”)
It will take some time . .but I will try to become more comfortable with it . .I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN, JUST A FREETHINKING DEMOCRAT!
I have stopped watching Jon Stewart long time ago exactly because of his vulgar, Obama leaning scripts.
I think he should also hear from us Pumas.
And my unintended spelling mistakes are part of my balance emotion in responding to the falsehood and providing truth the way it should be. And I would welcome your comments.
#167 Dem4Hillary
I didn’t know I was a “cowgirl” now! I guess that’s a good thing!
Wow, I had no idea of all the connotations of the colors, the pantsuit fashion statements, and all! I can figure out for myself that the pantsuit would now be considered a “Hillary” tribute, but the “blue” was new to me.
Not a day goes by that I don’t learn something new and interesting on this blog!
I must go do mundane chores now and tear myself away from this bless-ed blog!
Catch you all later! Will read all comments tonight!
Stay safe, Gulf Coast PUMAs.
NYCgirl
138 NewOrleansPuma ~~~ Hopefully, Gustav, which has just been upgraded to Cat 4, will bypass NO and hit south Chicago instead.
NewOrleansPuma,
How are you doing? I’m watching TV and hearing Gustav is now a Cat 4 hurricane. Are you being evacuated or what? Are you safe in your area of NO?
#183 LIVING GRACE RE. GUSTAV
CAREFUL . . . KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GOING. LOTS OF LOVELY PUMAS AND OTHER WONDERFUL PEOPLE IN SOUTH CHICAGO
haha sorry about changing your name. I’m kind of tired. NYCgirl
I was on vacation with my teenage daughter, feeling pretty depressed after watching Hillary’s amazing and so Presidential speech vs. Obama’s barely giving a nod to her and women’s issues other than pro-choice, and woke up hearing that McCain had selected Sarah Palin. Now I feel happy and excited again. Hillary was right — this is more than just about her, it’s about women, it’s about men who care about women, it’s about US.
I agree with GoHillaryGo, Asian4Hillary, Battle for the Hill, and others who believe that women need to band together and transcend any single issue in this election. We can be assured of a Democratic Congress to have checks and balances on a decent moderate Republican President who has picked a good, smart, principled female Vice President. If the time is not NOW to teach our own Democratic leadership the lesson to NEVER, NEVER AGAIN ignore the 52% of their party who are women, then when is it??
Which candidate wanted our vote and showed us with his actions? He did the right thing, whether he did it for the right reasons or not. Women and “women’s issues” are diverse. Let’s not get hung up on the particulars. The Democratic party leadership has hung women out to dry and has been happy to rely on the “politics of fear” and a sense that we would be good girls and fall in line behind Hillary, who they are using without even honoring her with the vice-presidential pick. I trust Sarah Palin to be more aware of women and the need to hear our voice than I do Nancy Pelosi. Sarah Palin mentioned Geraldine Ferraro in positive tones during her speech yesterday — the only thing the DNC had to say about Geraldine Ferraro lately was to accuse her of racism against Obama. I will vote for Democrats for Congress but I will vote for McCain and Sarah Palin without a twinge of guilt — I will laugh with joy all the way to the voting booth in November!
#33 Asian4Hillary
I agree with you and also Josie Natori (I happen to know that she is a fine lingerie and jewelry designer – very high end but don’t know what else she did) but I agree that a lot of discrimination in USA comes from women, they are a stumbling block to their gender. I think it has got to do with envy – Look around us and see what seemingly third world countries have long respected women and put them into political power.
I think we should pause and not rush into judgement of Palin. So far she sounds very genuine, likeable and down to earth.
Democrats continue to belittle and insult women first Hillary now Palin video here
http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/dem_palin_affirmative_action_pick/
I tell yas, this kind of thing is exactly what’s wrong with America and our political glass ceiling these days.
http://www.indecision2008.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=183521
NYCgirl – Again, information sometimes is provided falsely based on the intended audience. “Nirvana” movement and the “Hare Rama” movement mistakenly took a sexual connotation far from the original foundations of that. If you had noted the Burmese demonstrations, what the Tibets monks and all the buddist monks wear, would we attribute that as “holy” or “sexy”. The preachings and scriptures and protocol provides “orange” and “white” garb for “sainthood” etc. Perhaps the “Yoga” group perhaps took it out of context
…..In response to (28) New Orleans Puma,
We try to give women the respect they are due in
Ireland, and treat them as equals and are definitely not
misogynists or promote sexism.
We appreciate intelligent women and vote them into the highest posts in the land.This is the reason why we have had the last two Presidents, both female in this country, one from the southern part and one from the
northern part of Ireland, in succession.
We would not have treated Senator Clinton as the
DNC and conspirators have……. Both President Clinton
and Senator Hillary Clinton are revered in this green land.
Good fortune, Shane, Ireland.
I’m still “writing in”. Yes, I know its a “wasted vote.” But its my conscious decision and I have to live with it. I’ll become a member of the New Democratic Party (PUMA) and do what I can to change my old party. I’ve always been one to know that there is middle ground on most issues. I’ve always been pro-choice, but my religious values and my heart tell me that I pray for each and every life to have an opportunity to try the world out. I’ve been a special education teacher (preschool and middle school) so I’ve had the opportunity to watch children with disabilities grow and mature – even those with the more severe conditions. I’ve watched them from birth to the day they die (some too early). But they are loved and they love back (sloppy kisses and all). I’ve changed their diapers, tube fed them, and yes, disciplined them in appropriate ways. But I cannot and will not tell someone what to do with their body and try to tell them what their choice should be. I pray instead. So, the Roe vs. Wade issue isn’t a problem. It has become increasing more difficult for the poor and low income to access good birth control, however. If Roe vs. Wade was overturned, I strongly believe that more doctors and pharmacists would not help women in this area. It’s already happening.
As far as Hillary is concern, I’m not worried. She will continue to do what she loves to do (politically) and she will succeed in carving out a place in history (just not as POTUS at this time). I have a philosophy that tells me that when one door shuts, another opens. We just have to look for the open door and go through it.
Re: Palin I’m please that we have a woman who is rising to the top through more traditional channels. I don’t think she’ll bend or break to all the misogny that is starting to surface. She’s probably all ready been there and done that many times over. Although, I will not vote for her, I thoroughly enjoyed her speech yesterday, her political prowess and her spunkiness. I even laughed (for the McCain campaign) when she mentioned Hillary and Gerraldine. The campaign and Palin knew exactly what they were doing politically. Politics is a game and they had “match point” yesterday. I loved it.
And as far as Palin’s pro-life views, Obama and the DNC picked a pro-life man to deliver the key-note speech on the anniversary of women’s suffrage. What a slap in the face of women and they now have the nerve to try to scare us with Palin’s pro-life views?! I will always honor my Democratic values and I will continue to consider myself a progressive Democrat, but my own Party dismissed me — a vote for McCain/Palin will be a more powerful message than all our emails to Dean, Pelosi, and Obama obviously were.
Has anyone else noticed how all the male reporters, both print and video, are telling the national audience how Clinton supporters will vote? I’ve read like 5 articles today by both white and black men who all say, Clinton supporters will fall in line and vote for Obama.
DENVER UPDATE @@@@@@@@@@@@@
My friend that went to Denver asked me to post her email for all of you to read !!!!!
Thanks for sharing the news with others. Pumapac was the only organized Hillary group in Denver. We all owe Murphy and Mama Puma a big thank you for all that they did. They rented a building for Headquarters; they provided sleeping space and showers; office space and computers; buttons and stickers; and parking. They organized two demonstrations: one in front of the MSNBC/NBC headquarters to protest their sexism and anti-Hillary reporting and one outside the Pepsi Center to show support to our Hillary delegates. They also held a reception with wonderful food at the Fuel Cafe and showed us a 40 minute segment of the film “The Audacity of Democracy.” They provided a large screen tv for watching Hillary’s speech. They held a rally at Cheesman Park.
So a big THANK YOU to them and all the PUMAs who came to Denver.
Please post this thank you on the website for me.
Look forward to seeing you!
Kathy
#192 Shane
My heritage is Irish. I’m enjoying your comments. My great grandfather came from Ireland (Killarney). My mother was alway proud of her Irish hertiage. I enjoy your comments above. Thank you for posting a different view of U.S. politics.
I am going to make one comment on here today and then I am going to leave it alone until I see how it all shakes out.
I sat here yesterday and read things that I could not believe were being posted on here and then I tracked those comments all over the web. Puma was the laughingstock of several chat rooms and discussion threads yesterday and they were using the words of our very own Puma’s to paint a very thorough picture of us.
I care about who you vote for because it affects me as much as it does you, and I have an opinion on who I think you should vote for, But I try not to give my opinion because I have no right to tell you who to vote for.
But…….I am going to say this as bluntly as I can. I will not sit here and watch Sarah Palin be treated the way Hillary Clinton was, only this time that treatment is coming from members of PUMA as well!
I don’t know where Puma is headed or how it will go about getting there. I do know where I am going and how I will get there. I made a promise many months ago to do anything in my power to make sure Barack Obama does not set foot in the White House. The only way I can live up to my promise is to vote for McCain/Palin this year and that is what I will do. I will work every day to make sure as many people as possible does the same.
As for PumaPac, if misogyny and sexism in the media and the political arena was wrong when used against Hillary, it is just as wrong when used against Sarah Palin or any other woman.
I wrote many letters condemning the treatment of Hillary Clinton and I am doing the same for Sarah Palin, I wonder if Puma will do the same.
I know I am not alone in this, there have been many comments yesterday and today about this very thing. So I will see what happens and where PumaPac decides to go before I make my decision on whether I stay or go.
#137 NYCgirl … Absolutely!
OHIO IS SCREWED—WE ARE SCREWED
This just in my mailbox:
“Identification requirements for voting:
Voters must bring identification to the polls in order to verify identity. Identification may include a current and valid photo identification, a military identification chat shows the voter’s name and current address, or a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document, other than this reminder or a voter registration notification, that shows the voter’s name and current address. Voters who do not provide one of these documents will still be able to vote by providing the last four digits of the voter’s Social Security number and by casting a provisional ballot. Voters who do not have any of the above forms of identification, including a Social Security number, will still be able to vote by signing an affirmation swearing to the voter’s identity under penalty of election falsification and by casting a provisional ballot.”
Everyone from everywhere will come in carloads from county to county and returning over and over again to “affirm” that they vote for BO. We are truly screwed. BO needs Ohio. BO will get Ohio, by hook or crook. What on earth can we do? You’ve seen the people who man these polling place, retirees and other gentle folk who will ABSOLUTELY NOT CHALLENGE BO’s supporters when they “affirm” their ID’s for fear of being called “racists”.
This is the change BO was waiting for.
Bye bye, Democracy. Bye bye America. Nice while it lasted.
Love and hugs to all PUMAs who went to Denver. You exceeded the expectations and gave us at home something to be proud of during the convention.
#33 Asian4Hillary and #188 eddiebrown
You are right. Countries like Burma(now called Myanmar has a woman imprisoned in the military junta), Sri Lanka (had the 1st president 20 – 30 years back), Bangladesh (has ruling and opposing members and Prime Ministers almost every election cycle), Pakistan (with Bhutto woman breaking it there) and finally India (had a woman prime minister, has a president now.).
I do not lean into too much history. From PUMA this is my message – All these woman were temperamentally strong and set aside men bickering them and worked their way up. They never lost their focus and continued to move on. Just like McCain said of Sarah “she will not let anybody tell her to sit down” this is exactly the character the woman leaders above had. So, gals, you are in the right movement.
#191 LotusBoy
Thanks for your messages. Yes, it does depend on where you get your information from, which is the point we have been making. For the past few days, we have been floating various interpretations of what Hillary’s choice of the color orange meant. The theories have been VERY diverse.
In my own spiritual tradition, I do know that orange connotes physical energy and sexuality. Apparently, the color connotes something different in your tradition. Thanks.
NYCgirl
#193 halligan Our special education teachers are the true HEROES of education! DID YOU KNOW CINDY MCCAIN WAS A SPECIAL ED. TEACHER?
) I have so much respect for all YOU do. Can you imagine . . . school vouchers and merit pay!
WE ARE NOT A BUSINESS!
I do respect your choice and vote, but I do want to challenge all my teacher friends to give input to the Republican Platform whichever way they vote.
Thanks pa dem for this info!
http://www.gopplatform2008.com/intro.aspx
#114 pumetta
she is for creationism being taught in schools.
I hear she is for teaching both. Not one or the other. Not sure how I feel about that either. However not ‘just’ for creationism.
#200 Larry
It sounds like the Ohio polls when need a national guardsment at each and every site, just like in a third world country. Soooooooooooooooo sad.
I would suggest that each county auditor be approached with this news and that letters to the editor be sent to all major newspapers throughout the state. That may be something that PUMAs can start doing. I’ll google Ohio and get the information. That will be my weekend endeavor between hotdogs, watermelon and yes of course rainstorms (the great Northwest).
Kempion,
Did you see my messages to you above thread and in the previous one?
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I just tried to open the video link to CC you just posted but couldn’t get it to open, so I went to youtube and saw if I could find a version of what you were linking to.
Don’t know if I found an exact copy of the segment you linked to above, but what I did find made me seriously consider taking up hunting, i.e. getting out my gun while I cling to my bible, etc.
Whew. It was disgusting! I’m pretty shocked and my blood pressure just rose about 100pts. What a bloody disgusting segment and an insult. Another a$$h@@l sending little valentines to his new crush.
this is what we are up against!
6 things the Palin pick says about McCain Link
AUDIO: Palin laughs as host calls cancer surviving colleague a “cancer” and a “b_tch” Link
Please Help Us Keep Up Our Work Link
VIDEO- Obama’s New Ad Post Palin Link
“Are you saying because she’s a woman she’s not qualified?” Link
So Palin Is Dellusional Also? Link
VIDEO- What Exactly Is McCain Looking At Here? Link
Caption That McCain Pic With Added Bonus!! Link
Fairbanks, Alaska Paper Slams Palin Veep Pick Link
Russia, BP, and Mr. Sarah Palin Link
Video: Jack Cafferty: Palin is a first term governor in a state with 13 people and some caribou Link
John Sidney McGambling problem Link
Palin Trooper-Gate Scandal: The Video Link
Robert Wexler: Palin a ‘far-right, pro-life zealot’, has Jewish problem Link
McCain Barely Knows Running Mate Link
VIDEO- Sarah Palin: Hillary Clinton is a whiner Link
Obama’s speech seen by 38 million viewers Link
Alaska Was a Territory When John McCain Was Born Link
Quote Of The Day Link
VIDEO- Sen. Hutchison unenthusiastic on Palin Link
Palin Praise For Obama’s Energy Plan Scrubbed From Website Link
VIDEO- FOX- Palin knows about foreign policy because Alaska is ‘right next door to Russia’ Link
Sarah Palin Is A Creationist Link
BREAKING- John McCain Picks Sara Palin As VP Link
VIDEO- FOX News “Liberals” Fall Over Themselves Criticizing Obama’s Convention Speech Link
Focus Group- Obama’s Speech Appealed to Swing Voters Link
VIDEO- Pat Buchanan On Obama’s Speech Link
Cindy Lou Hensley McCain’s half-sister voting for Obama Link
McCain advisor (?) says we’re all insured! What a relief! Link
so how is the Senate Maj leader project going? sounds like a great idea!
Absolutely NYCgirl, attributes associated with color depicts different things based on time, occassion etc. Like in the morning, it could be for spiritual reasons and at other times accordingly. But to not deliver the entire package and to pick and choose interpreted portions is a great fallacy of modern media and thanks to PUMA we are able to educate ourselves in a big way like never before and we are not watching the “Idiot Box” alone for our information. Keep it going.
#204 Rancho
Thank you. Excellent idea about starting to change the Republican “playbook” platform.
(Bluejay — formerly sandbag –changed nick due to confusion with sandipuma & sandtraps)
One of the global issues dearest to my heart is the protection of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. I have worked on this for years, going into high gear whenever yet another vote comes up in Congress. The NRDC (National Resources Defense Council) has been one of the fiercest defenders of the refuge.
Hearing yesterday that Governor Sarah Palin is pro-drilling is of great concern to me.
I urge PUMAs to visit this page:
http://www.oilonice.org/
This will give you a great deal of information about the impact of drilling on the coastal plain. I’m continually amazed that Alaskans (like Stevens and Palin) are the biggest promoters of drilling, when the native Gwich’in have so very much to lose . . .
#198 redraz9 – I agree completely. I posted yesterday or maybe earlier today that Howard Dean and his goons were sexist in their remarks about Palin. I saw sexism by John Cafferty, Keith Olberman, David Gergen to name a view that basically said she was unqualifed to run the country because she is a woman. I wrote some emails yesterday to CNN complaining though I doubt to hear anything back. I’m not saying I’m going to vote for McCain but I will wait for the debates to see how it all falls out but the more I see sexism from Dean and Company along with the media, makes me lean in his direction.
SCATHCART,
Are you here?
#14 Susie1945
Don’t know if you already got this but hope it helps. I would suggest to send it to everyone you know and if you have info. on delegates, send it to them. Let ‘em know who they nominated and that this info. is going to be made public.
Some links for you.
This is on Hillary delegates and the coercion that happened with Hillary delegates at convention:
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/aug/28/tenn-dems-bicker-hope-come-together/
This is a teaser on a documentary called “The Audacity of Democracy” which shows more fraud:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOqe-JPLKfw&feature=related
This is the consolidation of much of the fraud that occurred in the caucases and the primaries. This research is being done by a genius mathematician who said the results of the caucases are a statistical
impossibility and it is also heartbreaking to see this in our country. Obama’s camp TRAINED the workers how to be aggressive, take over the caucases, intimidate Hillary voters and win at all cost! Tell me where the fairness and democracy are and who do you think REALLY won the Dem. nomination?
http://www.caucasanalysis.org
This is the lawsuit fliled against the DNC and Obama challenging his eligibility to be president.
http://www.obamacrimes.com
I cannot beleive what they are doing to her!
Pumas-we need to take action!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/17933/7330/417/579267
re#208 c4
thats all ok ….but still not going to vote for obama..gonna vote for mccain..
Via My African American Sister And Puma
Excerpt:
If you are so concerned about a “woman’s right to choose” you should have thought about that during the primaries. Now, just keep your damned legs closed or make him put a sleeve on that dick. A baby doesn’t have to happen. It’s up to you. Besides, with all of this damned HIV and Super AIDS we are dealing with, why in the hell aren’t you making these guys wear condoms anyway? How about “choose” to use some common sense and use protection!? Shut up all of this shit talking about Roe v. Wade being “rolled back”. Nobody’s rolling anything back. If it were going to happen, it would have already happened under the Nimrod in Chief we’ve got now. You made your bed, lay in it!
http://sugarnspice.typepad.com/sugar_n_spicea_meeting_pl/2008/08/a-song-for-hill.html
#198 redraz
Stay. You are a person with a strong opinion and I , for one, enjoy it.
198 redraz9 @@@@@@@ I totally agree with you 100%.
I too, will not stand by and let Palin get destroyed by the media or the damn Democrats. Well said my friend.
217
exactly!
just need to be vigilent with the effort–BO is not going to roll over!
c4hill forgive me for asking but sometimes i am confused on which way you stand. Why the link to dailyKos.
RoseCityFriend
Hello. Long time, no hear! E-mail please.
Gotta go . . .
Gustav looks bad. Will take over much of the news today.
All Pumas and Nobamites . . think abt. voicing any concerns to:
Republican Platform site
http://www.gopplatform2008.com/intro.aspx
No matter how you will vote in November. Let your concerns and voices be hear proactively! It’s OBVIOUS
the DNC won’t listen!
#212 Bluejay – You must be listening to Howard Deans people concerning Palin and drilling. Check out oil company stocks yesterday. They all declined after the Palin announcement. From what I see, she does support drilling but with restrictions. She is anti-big oil and has reformed the industry in Alaska. Do more research outside of the DNC talking points. I think she may be a little more in line with your thinking than you think. Let me know what you find out.
Hi Sheila7, Yes I am lurking.
Matthews and Oberman are so SICK !!! They should not be allowed to be on the air at all !!! sexist son of a bitches. sorry for the language. But the only words that are fitting.
halligan: The only “wasted” vote is the one that chooses not to vote at all by not going to the polls. Write-ins, 3rd party votes, and in some states leaving the top of the ticket blank (although personally I think the last option is ripe for voter fraud) are valid options for the Nobama movement. Those are all votes Nobama is not getting.
I was going to vote McKinney until I found out she hit a cop.
what is going on with bc affair, this guy is getting away with everything
222
I have never read daily kos–the link was sent to me as an indication as to what they are already trying to do to Sarah–It worries me–the sexism.
Are you dumb?
I don’t think so,but some Obama supporters do!
Michael Moore, talking to Keith Olbermann, discusses the possibility that a hurricane during the GOP convention might prove the existence of God, and suggests that women who are happy with Sarah Palin’s being part of the GOP ticket this year are “dumb.”
#56 Seattlegirl, The ex-husband was married to Governor Palin’s sister. He beat her.
Would you stand by and let your sister be beaten? I despise males who beat their wives.
He’s lucky; I would have run him over..
I am thrilled with the choice of Governor Sarah Palin for VP. John McCain listened to us while our own party would not..
I am voting for McCain/Palin..
c4hill: OMG! That is AWFUL! We can’t let that go….
All Pumas,
Even though some of us are far away from gulf coast, we need to know what we can do to help our PUMAs and their families who live there. Idea?
Need a list of our Gulf Coast PUMAs……
Want this message to be seen and read, please.
All Pumas,
Even though some of us are far away from gulf coast, we need to know what we can do to help our PUMAs and their families who live there. Idea?
Need a list of our Gulf Coast PUMAs……
SCATHCART,
Hi! You have e-mail. On the e-mail I didn’t put a time but around 2:30? Thanks.
I was just wondering have not ever been on that site and won’t go there. I have a feeling that sarah palin will speak out herself. she made it clear in her speech yesterday that she is not afraid to take on “the good old boys”
Palin’s for creationism.
What is this? My wife says they believe the earth is 6000 years old. The Natural History museum on the Mall in D.C. is my favorite.
I thought that Earth is millions of years old.
SCATHCART,
Will Sarah Palin be with him tomorrow? Do you know?
I feel sick to my stomach seeing the onslaught of vile, misogynistic, borderline pornographic attacks on Sarah Palin. The party that always “pretended” to be against sexism and sexual harassment has just unleached a flood of it….the pubescent boys’ club is having a field day. Hatred toward women now sanctioned and promoted by the Democratic Party. They need to be sent straight to hell. It is a very dark day in America.
The wind has been knocked out of me a little today PUMAs. A number of my pro pro very pro-Hillary very very anti-bo friends have decided to ‘fall in line’.
All summer I have heard from this group the mantra of ‘never vote bo’, but I guess kool-aide was on sale.
Bills speech made them proud to be democrats. Then to add a pro-life women to the rep. ticket has fired them up to get a dem in the white house.
I feel like the wind has been sucked out of me.
ATTENTION @@@@@@@@@@
Any puma’s that are in the wake of this huge storm. I am in western NC. and if anyone needs to leave and a place to stay, please contact me. My home is yours.
jwoods70gmail
#200 larry rules
guess what??
maybe we would have to ask the national guard to protect us from national complete frau general elections
they got away with all the s**t that went on the primariesso now comes the general they have another plan of complete frau
WE SEND ABROAD OBSERVERS SO THE GENERAL ELRCTIONS PROCEDURES GO ON PEACEFULLY AND DEMOCRATLY
AND NOW USA IS THE LAND OF THE BIGGEST FRAU
Everyone: I know its the Kos, but you need to check out C4Hill’s link. The depths they are sinking to is SICK.
re#283
creationism ..it used to be called “religion”
198 redraz9,
I agree with you 100%.
I wonder how long men are going to be able to hold roe vs wade over womens heads. My husband even said to me on the phone this morning “but what about roe vs wade” I hung up on him!
BrooklynNY: I knew I wasn’t seeing things! LOL
Thanks for trying to find the clip on your own.
Now what? Stand or sit?
Comedy Central is owned by the MTV group – who support Obama bin Biden almost exclusively. I sent some info to Murhpy but this is one of those challenges we may not be able to meet.
I’m go to synagogue. But we don’t have creationism.
Is the earth 6000 years old? Or is it millions of years old?
hillfan4mccain,
I’m sorry for you. That sucks! Bill Clinton’s speech did the opposite for me. I am no longer a Democrat and probably never will be again. I would be embarrassed to fall in line just because someone told me to and because it’s my “party”. That is no better than the bots and i personally feel a great freedom in what I am choosing to do.
BrooklynNY…………I agree. this attack ONCE again on a woman, will only make women angrier. I am voting for McCain/Palin………….at this point, it goes beyond policy……..We cannot.and I repeat !!! cannot allow this sexism to go un challenged and continue to grow.
#238 brother2040
I’m Rancho’s husband…..I have a Ph.D. in theology and am a clinical scientist. The most compelling scientific evidence tells us the earth is 4-6 billion years old. The book of Genesis was never intended to be interpreted as a scientific treatise and this is the young earth creationist’s major source of a young date for the earth.
I have read most of the education comments. I home schooled my yougest child, and have a comment of my own:
Public education is expected to do way too much. Instead of educating, you are expected to recreate and then work a little education in between the activities. Once the excesses of extracurriculars is removed, the students might be able to actually learn. Some of the social problems would probably disappear too.
Had I known what I know now, my children would not have attended a public school for one single day.
KENDALBLUE- amen to that
235 pink puma@@@@@@@@@@@@@ AMEN !!!!!!!
Who cares about Roe v Wade anymore? I’m so sick of having it held over my head non-stop, I’m seriously considering becoming PRO-LIFE.
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re#249
yeah sure …your religion doesnt have creationism..tell that to your rabbi next time he reads from the 5 books..
MPK651
LOL. It’s not funny that Roe vs. Wade is being used to blackmail us but it is funny that you hung up on him.
Regarding the prolife issue- one thing I don’t understand is why someone is considered against women’s rights if they are prolife? Maybe they look at it like they are protecting women by not subjecting them to an abortion. I think there are two sides to that story.
#258 pink puma: I found that comment very offensive.
#251 KENDALBLUE on 08.30.08 at 2:08 pm
Seriously, KENDA…..after this, I honestly don’t know if I will EVER vote or support in any way any Democrat, now or ever.
I’m beginning to think it’s time someone in the Democratic Party steps up and speaks up to stop the DNC and expose them. It’s really getting scary.
HENERIETTA
great
that is a lot of work and discipline for you¡¡¡
(Bluejay — formerly sandbag –changed nick due to confusion with sandipuma & sandtraps)
#225 kasota on 08.30.08 at 1:54 pm
With all due respect, please never mention my name and Howard Dean in the same sentence —
!
This is something I have been following closely for years, and Governor Palin’s views on the 1002 lands are very well known to me.
The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge was established by President Eisenhower in 1960 and expanded by President Carter in 1980 with the intent of preserving this small area of the coastal plain indefinitely due to its ecological importance and as the last remaining homeland of the Gwich’in people.
Pink Puma.
I am not an expert on my religion. Perhaps you are a Judaic scholar.
I was raised as Conservative Jew, and we are taught that the book of Genesis is a guide, not science. I don’t think you will find many Rabbi’s (or any) that say the earth is 6000 years old.
Are you saying I’m wrong?
BROOKLYNNY and KENDALBLUE,
I am starting to feel a strong kinship with you guys.
Sheila, Yes she will. I’m really excited.
#253 Sorry to hear abt. your conflicts with public education. I truly am. Fortunately, your children had YOU to help and support them. Many children don’t. I consider my “job” more than a job. It is my mission to reach out to all regardless of financial ability or parental involvement. (I HAVE HAD MANY PARENTS IN PRISON, ADDICTED, INVOLVED IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES, DESTITUTE, AND NOT CARING ABT. THEIR CHILDREN AT ALL.) Again, it is a calling . . a mission, and the least of my concern are the “extracurriculars” that might get in the way!
Hey PUMAs, we have to stop this woman bashing right now. Whether we support McCain-Palin or someone else, this is a no-no. We saw what they did to Hillary in spite of her success at the ballot box. We cannot be silent on this.
We need to do some prowls to counter attack this bigotry against women. The Democrats and the main stream media are all guilty as sin. We must take some well tought out actions in the very near future.
I am going to be away after today. I am going down to my dad’s in KY. That is about a 6 hour drive. I will be there until Tuesday. He doesn’t have e-mail, so I am going to be somewhat isolated.
Please, every one of you, fight back for all the women in your lives. Look at Hillary to see what happens when we don’t.
If anyone likes the “American Thinker”, then you may like to hear more truthful aspects of Gov Palin’s so called scandal that is all over the web without all of the facts. I’m not saying this is totally the best source, but the AT is usually correct.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/defending_against_the_first_at.html
PUMAS, ACTION ALERT! I wrote to Phil Berg regarding Obama’s eligibility and whether we should file with our SOS’s a challenge to his qualifications. This is his response. I had also sent him a copy of jbjd’s commentary. Don’t know if I’m allowed to post her thoughts but she has given them to others and they working on this.
philjberg@obamacrimes.com
to me
Reply
Hi Lady Hawkke,
You can send letters requesting and/or demanding proper investigation into Senator Obama’s eligibility with the Secreaty of State for each State. In some States, there are deadlines of which you can file an objection. Several people have already begun this process and are writing to inform us who they wrote and any response they received.
In Federal Court, once a party is served with an action, they have 30 days to respond. Keep in mind, this does not stop the process of litigation. In other words, we do not have to wait for Senator Obama’s response to my lawsuit prior to filing any motions and/or demanding discovery.
Phil
re#264 brother
the word science wasn’t around when the Torah was written –as far as the 6000 years..
that’s irrelevant to the discussion
253 Henerietta – Back home in Asia, education starts way early. Schools are predominantly private for the middle class and upward and it is a mission out there for couples with kids to ensure they get education. Population and social mix of people further increase competitive situation for kids to learn and excel. When families live under one roof, a kid picks social skills at home and to a large extent child development is fairly positive, in my view, until it turns into the teens. Largely after that, the teens dictate their own future – either to become a Michael Phelps or someone you see on people magazine or at a rehab center in the sunset boulevard. Hope you get my point and sorry if truth hurts.
It is a little different at a lower end of the strata but their stuggles and successes continue as our companies like Intel, GE, Pfizer etc set shop there
Hillary Rah-Rahs Palin
August 30, 2008 11:51 AM
I think it would be fair to say that the Obama campaign wishes Sen. Hillary Clinton’s statement on Gov. Palin were harsher.
“We should all be proud of Governor Sarah Palin’s historic nomination, and I congratulate her and Senator McCain,” Clinton said. “While their policies would take America in the wrong direction, Governor Palin will add an important new voice to the debate.”
How much more are we supposed to take? I wish I could go back on the blogs and see how many times I have written “this is unbelievable”…. I am losing my steam you guys and need a booster shot!
#99…more tears for me today too….
#264 brother2040: You are not wrong.
I’m pro-life myself. It’s a position I grew into. For me, it’s simple: abortions-on-demand for the sake of convenience are sick and irresponsible, and a human embryo can only become a human being.
Of course, I am in favor of forced sterilizations for men who don’t support their kids too.
#209 turndownobama:
Having had some experience with writing letters in support of Howard Dean for Party Leader, i say that we need to target the senators who are still in office. We need to tell them that we are watching them. After watching Bill Frist, we know the power of Senate Majority Leader. We need to tell them that Hillary Clinton clearly laid out an agenda through her campaign of championing issues for women, blue collar workers, students, minorities, etc (the base of the democratic party). That she has emphatically stated that she still will carry her causes with her back into the senate to accomplish the goals that she set out in her campaign. That having received the most votes in a primary campaign, she deserves to be Senate Majority leader and that as Democrats we believe that in order to ensure that her agenda is brought to the floor of the Senate, that we expect her election to the Senate Majority Leadership position.
I say we target the current senators with that. I say we do something separate for the senatorial candidates (like bob tuke in Tennessee) and tell them that they must endorse senator clinton as well.
We did get kind of hasty with H.Dean letter writing and actually threatened to remove people during the primary if they did not endorese howard dean for party chariman, back in 2005.
Sorry here is the link
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/08/hillary-rah-rah.html
242 KENDALBLUE~~ That’s very compassionate of you. I extend the same offer, even though I am much farther away in Western Washington, about 40 miles from Canada.
Now that I’m beginning to feel a little bit better and have thought about all the events of the past week , I’ve decided I’m very overwhelmed by it all. Before, I felt focused and as though I had something to contribute besides my opinions. Our whole system seems broken and I’m not sure it can be repaired.
Once again, to simply protest is like pissing in the wind to put out a forest fire. How can we guarantee a true and fair election that doesn’t end up being the farce the Democratic primary/caucus was?
@tannaseepuma
On an Oborg forum they were saying: “lets get Hillary to fight her (Palin) – cuz, they own her, you see. other say: “No, that’s Biden’s job” (Anita Hill would know how good he is at it too)
SCATHCART,
I’m excited too. I was hoping she would be there but couldn’t find anything on it.
BTW, I wonder if there is some way to contact SuperBama and tell him to get his almighty a** to the Gulf and stop that hurricane.
Pink Puma.
I don’t think my question should be dismissed as irrelevant.
America needs first rate science to compete in this world market. If our public schools teach that the earth is 6000 years old, we will be eaten up in the Global Economy.
That may be irrelevant to you, but not me. I have a teaching credential and science is science.
re#272 lotus
i’ve traveled to Asia before..
thinking of being a “michel phelps” would be a luxury to most asians..
in china even the most highly skilled worker makes less than 900 bucks a year..
people are thinking about eating
(Bluejay — formerly sandbag –changed nick due to confusion with sandipuma & sandtraps)
Thanks for your feedback Kerri. It’s good to hear back from others with the same concerns . . .
#668 Kerri on 08.30.08 at 3:28 am
Bluejay: I have been sorta bitching about Palin’s atrocious environmental stances all night myself. I’ve never been a political animal but I too am a member of NRDC as well as WLDF and various other animal/environmental groups. I received the low-down on Palin through their emails today. :/
Again, it’s horrible. It’s why I was urging some way we can…have a conversation, perhaps, with the Mccain people.
We can not, I mean, simply CAN NOT vote Obama in. But it’s hard to vote Satan in as well. I don’t see why they shouldn’t recognize us PUMA’s by addressing our concerns for real.
I e-mailed Chris Mathews, thanking him for having Murphy on his show.
Told him I would not be voting for B.O.
Sheila7, I am going to do everything I can to get autographs, pictures. I will be working at campaign office all next week phone banking. If you need anything let me know. I hope they have the new yard signs, etc.
Henreitta:
I think people agree. Murphy has been in and out today. People do need time to re-charge. I think she said she was just putting open blogs for the weekend.
We are all very tired but no less resiliant to the charge of protecting women in the media.
So, you’re right, and I expect we will get some prowls next week to deal with this.
If the things I have been told are true the only way to save the Democratic Party is for Obama to lose.
I find the idea of voting for Republicans abhorrent but I can’t and won’t vote for Obama. My plan has been to vote for Cynthia McKinney, but I live in a battleground state to I guess it will depend on how things are going closer to November.
This is the most frustrating election of my life.
I had to laugh at something Queen 81 said last night…..Biden puts Palin down because she comes from a small town of 9,000. And he only got 9,500 votes in the primary. hahahahahahaha I wonder what small town they came from.
all those journalist that are drooling at mr extravaganza, they always have a s ardonic smile in their face that only reflects their idiocy
I am QUITE proud of American education. Very few countries educate ALL of their citizens. Comparing our educational system to ones that only educate some of their citizens is like comparing apples to oranges.
Now can we please get back on topic?
joe biden is a credit card co whore!
he sold out the american consumer by backing that damned “debt slavery” bill that is just a new form of serfdom..joe biden is a dirty rat
re#292
you shouldnt be proud of american education..its a horrible mess
(Bluejay — formerly sandbag –changed nick due to confusion with sandipuma & sandtraps)
Could someone post the codes for me – - like bold, italic, etc.
Many thanks!!
BROOKLYN @@@@@@@@@
Seriously, KENDA…..after this, I honestly don’t know if I will EVER vote or support in any way any Democrat, now or ever.
I feel the same way. IMO, the dem party is DEAD !!! In fact, Monday morning, I will officially be leaving the corrupt Democratic party. Would take a hell of a change to bring me back. They have not only shown me how corrupt they are, they have gone so far left, that I can no longer support those kind of value’s. they do not reflect MY values anymore. they should cahnge thoer name to THE RADICAL SEXIST DEMOCRATIC PARTY. I want nothing to do with them. I’m done!!
Pink PUMA. Why change the subject instead addressing the question?
The question is what we teach in our public school science classes. What we teach in religious school is entirely different.
This isn’t about religion which is a matter of faith. This is about science.
Hey Pumas,
Just dropping in, I wanted to drop off a link to some interesting articles:
“Bring on the sexism! It’s been at least a day or two since we’ve seen it.”
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/30/bring-on-the-sexism-its-been-at-least-a-day-or-two-since-weve-seen-it/
I am for good public schools, but the parents have to do their part. Our schools only want the parents as cheerleaders, not to give actual valid input.
My daughter is severely dyslexic. The public school was convinced that she was retarded. We took her out the summer after first grade and had a neurologist look at her. That is when the trouble began. We ended up being sued by the school, and we fought them through 4 layers of court, until we prevailed in Federal Court.
I have to wonder how many other children have been relegated to the trash heap because of incompetent and uncaring educators? The fact that we tried to help our daughter didn’t seem to phase these people. They claimed to have ‘exclusive rights to test and treat learing disabled children’ and that we, as parents had to gain their permission to do what we did!
Beth is now a senior at Cal State University at Northridge, on scholarship, and has been on the Deans List the last two years from the school here in Indiana that she trasfered from. We just got an invitation to attend a program in her honor at IPFW to acknowledge her high achievement last year.
Most of her friends that were public schooled were more concerned about their activities than they were about learning. That is what I observed with my older daughter as well. Maybe we shouldn’t paint this with a broad brush, but I have not had much respect for the administrators here.
“THE DENVER GROUP’S NEW MESSAGE: “PRINCIPLE BEFORE PARTY” AND WHAT IT MEANS.”
The Denver Group will continue with their ads. Check out their site to learn more:
http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/
284 pink puma – I meant only the middle class and above. Not the poor (social, economical and political).
They earn less, but the way they save money and put family before self is what makes them stronger. It takes a lot of years to make good governance percolate down to the last citizen, the faith in a better future is what makes their world go around. And there are tons of them that do not attribute success to material achievement like owning a vehicle, home etc.
“principle before party”
wow! what a novel concept..
#294 pink puma
Careful . . .might be forgetting the intent of this site.
#248 Kempion on 08.30.08 at 2:06 pm
Comedy Central is owned by the MTV group – who support Obama bin Biden almost exclusively. I sent some info to Murhpy but this is one of those challenges we may not be able to meet.
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Can you elaborate a little more on the above statements?
How do you know the MTV group supports OBN almost exclusively? (not that I don’t believe you; I just want to know more details about this).
Why do you think this is a challenge we may not be able to meet?
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I’ve got a really sinking feeling in my stomach. It’s sure feels like a “War on Women” is starting and the attitude towards women sanctioned and promoted now by the Democratic Party along with the MSM, is beginning to bare an insidious and frightening early stage resemblance to that found in radical Islam.
New Orleans Levees
I am in Florida and we watch hurricanes. Katrina was a Catagory 5 storm that hit levees designed for Catagory 3. Now Gustav is Catagory 4. If it hits at that strength it is very bad news. I do not know the exact status of the levees, but if they are not doing a massive evacuations, then people are not going to be calling for Bush’s impeachment, they are going to be calling for his lynching.
People are making something out of the coincidence with the GOP Convention. My personal belief is that it is the Republicans chance at redemption. Let some of these big talkers step up and do something for the people of New Orleans!
Food for thought:
I know a lot has transpired in the past week, but based on much of the conversation here these past few days, I am honestly confused on what the blog stands for now. I know Murphy has posted our objectives but the conversations still do not reflect these objections.
I am very pleased with the choice of Gov. Palin as McCain’s pick, I think it was a brilliant strategic move on his part. So my confusion does not stem from that.
Here are my thoughts perhaps you all can provide some clarification.
1. Our fight is still for uncorrupt democracy
2. Our fight is still to not have Obama become president
3. We are not republicans and should refrain from openly discussing our support of them
4. Our fight is to remove sexism from the media, politics and the blog
5. Dems down the ticket, not on top (provided it’s a good Dem)
6. Supporting the New Democratic Party that Murphy et. al. have established
7. Accountability from those who voted against their primaries results in the roll call
8. Accountability from California for passing in the roll call
9. Proper vetting of Obama by the Dem Party and the media
10. Preparing the way for Hillary in 2012, if she decided to run again
11. Fighting to ensure every vote counts and proper legal voting procedures are carried out.
Thanks for reading and providing feedback if you choose to.
296 KENDALBLUE~~~ I withdrew my membership in the Democratic Party when I joined PUMA right after the primary disaster. Now I am Independent, which seems to be the emerging trend here on the west coast.
BTW (((((Blue)))))
I am taking a break and I will be back when we are back on topic and obeying the PUMA PAC blog rules.
re#303 rancho
please post something then..
(Bluejay — formerly sandbag – changed nick due to confusion with sandipuma & sandtraps)
Thanks for you reply Onlyhill. Yes, I agree with you completely about the Alaska Wilderness League.
#811 OnlyHill on 08.30.08 at 10:26 am #566 blue jay
I’m so TOTALLY with you on this one, my heart and spirit is with the Arctic Refuge and Gwich’in’ too! The Coastal Plain area is the biological heart and babies nursery, the area under assault by multinational oil monopolies. There is so much more to this sacred ground that the powerful record profit monopolies do not want people to know about When I watched Palin speak I was truly impressed with her but a knot formed in my gut, intuition, and it will be so critical to elect progressives into Congress and get wilderness status to protect this amazing habitat. The NRDC is a great resource so is the Alaska Wilderness league:
http://www.alaskawild.org/
((((((((((((LivingGrace)))))))))))))))
there’s my GRACE…I have an appointment at 3 and will back around 4. will shoot you an email
#297 brother2040 YOU are tight on! (According to my scientist/theologian college professor husband!)
Just a suggestion . .take your concerns to:
http://www.gopplatform2008.com/intro.aspx
Some people are enjoying the conflict on this site too much!
306 TrishfromCanada ~~~ Hi Trish. It’s my understanding that we are trying to rest and recuperate after this last week and kind of adopting a ‘wait n see’ stance until after the Republican Convention. At this point, it’s the only view of this blog that makes any sense to me, right now.
Does anyone have a Photoshop – PC version ? I have the Mac version only.. Pls email me fred08puma@gmail.com
311 KENDALBLUE~~~ OK, gotcha.
#8 jrhed
Excellent post!!
I appreciated the positive manner Ms. Clinton welcomed Ms. Palin to the campaign:
“We should all be proud of Governor Sarah Palin’s historic nomination, and I congratulate her and Senator McCain,” Clinton said. “While their policies would take America in the wrong direction, Governor Palin will add an important new voice to the debate.”
This lady showed real class. I expect nothing less from Hillary Clinton regarding Ms. Palin during this race to the White House.
However, if she is expected by Obama to be more of an “attack dog” on Ms. Palin, then she better refrain from such a demand. I would hope that Hillary continues to show her class throughout the rest of this campaign by sticking to relevent issues only and always showing respect to Ms. Sarah Palin.
Re#306 trish
“Our fight is still to not have Obama become president
…We are not republicans and should refrain from openly discussing our support of them”
>>our fight is to not have obama become president. >>arent john mcain and sarah palin the nomineess for the GOP??
>>aren’t they the only ones now that can keep obama out of the presidency?
>>arent they republicans?
therefore………
Halligan #206
THANK YOU for this suggestion! And for volunteering to help! GREAT ideas. Please let us know what else we can do to get the message out nationally and especailly Ohio state-wide about this terrible potential for VOTER FRAUD in OHIO, as admitted by the Sec. of State’s own office!
EVERYONE, please see my post #200 about the change in laws in OHIO that allows virtually anyone to vote with NO ID !
It could make the difference in BO and NO BO!!!!
Again, THANK YOU Halligan!!!
Larry rules,
Where did you get this info? Is there a link?
BrooklynNY, well let’s start here: http://www.campaignmoney.com/
Find a corporate crony’s name and see who they support. Michele Ganeless, the head of Comedy Central, for example: http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/michele-ganeless.asp?cycle=08
$2,300 to Obama for America.
The challenge is in overcoming long-standing biases. The “war on women,” as you aptly named it, has been going on since man first discovered he had different parts than that “other man” who shared a cave with him.
Sexism and misogyny are not new. They are simply becoming more pronounced since women have started ascending in power. The “glass ceiling” has existed since women entered the workforce. Women receiving half the pay of male counterparts – the list is endless.
The blatant sanctioning of these practices only brings the basic animosity, if not outright hatred, for women in power to the surface. One of the groups I belong to is primarily conservative. Today they have been attacked non-stop by leftists who are attacking not only Palin, but her Downs child. I mean, really?
There is plenty of hate on BOTH sides – which is one reason I am a centrist now. I can no longer support any side because they have hate of one kind or another at their core. Idoelogy gone awry is a danger to us all.
I try to live by a simple ideolgy: I am an American, as imperfect as i may be at times, I still support what is right, just, moral and fair in this world: the old-school America.
Palin, the name kept ringing a bell, but I thought, oh no, there couldn’t be any relationship, but: (the father-in-law is a very wonderful man – Ted) right here in good old Longview, WA.
Longview Palin family proudly hears news that relative is McCain’s pick for V.P.
Friday, August 29, 2008 11:17 PM PDT
By Andre Stepankowsky
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The Palin family of Longview was bursting its buttons Friday. Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Sen. John McCain’s surprise choice as his vice presidential running mate, is married to the nephew of Ted Palin, a well-known retired Longview businessman.
“Honest to God, I’m so proud of her. She’s the most likeable person,” said Ted Palin, 79, speaking almost breathlessly by cell phone Friday morning.
He said neither her nor most other members of the close-knit Palin family knew before this morning that McCain, the presumptive GOP presidential nominee, had tapped the Alaska governor.
“In the morning I always turn on Fox News. I said, ‘My God! There’s Sarah!’ I couldn’t believe it. I thought (former Massachusetts governor Mitt) Romney was the guy. They have kept this a tremendous secret. Even her dad found out on Fox this morning,” Palin said.
Palin’s brother, Jim Palin of Wasilla, Alaska, is the father of Todd Palin, who is married to the Sarah Palin. Alaska’s first couple has five children, the youngest of whom was born in April with Down syndrome.
Ted Palin said he and his wife, Ruby, hope to see their famous relative in Fairbanks, Alaska, in September. They will attend a Sept. 11 farewell picnic for the governor’s son Tracker, whose Stryker brigade is due to deploy to Iraq the next day. It’s now uncertain whether Sarah Palin will be able to attend because of the need to campaign.
“I know it would break her heart” if she can’t attend, Ted Palin said.
Palin formerly ran the Lakeside Industries asphalt plant in Longview. He said today’s announcement coincided with the governor’s 20th wedding anniversary, this week’s anniversary of women’s suffrage and John McCain’s 72nd birthday, also Friday.
Several times, Palin said Sarah Palin is a “nice” and “gracious” person who, however, “won’t be pushed around. When she goes up against (Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe) Biden, she won’t be pushed around. She is a strong lady.”
Palin said he thought Sarah Palin’s speech following McCain’s announcement Friday “knocked it out of the ballpark. It was wonderful — very, very powerful.”
Sarah Palin visited Ted and Ruby in Longview “many years ago” but attended a family party in Vancouver as recently as last year.
Although Sarah Palin’s name has been bandied about as a potential vice presidential candidate for several months, “I dismissed it. I knew Sarah was committed to the people of Alaska,” said Palin, reporting that the governor’s favorite dish is moose or caribou stew. “She is a true Alaskan.”
On the other hand, “she is a committed to all Americans. When you’re asked, you just can’t turn it down.”
A self-styled hockey mom and political reformer, Palin was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, population 6,500, until she became governor two years ago. She has often dueled with her own party and has distanced herself from two senior Republican office-holders, Sen. Ted Stevens and Rep. Don Young. Both are under federal corruption investigations.
Asked how Sarah Palin would cope with her lack of national experience if she ever became president, Ted Palin said, “I think that she is the kind of gal that has the right stuff who would surround herself with the most brilliant people. Up in Alaska, it didn’t matter: Democrat, Republican, independent. She gets the best people on her cabinet.”
Will the Longview Palins campaign for their relative?
“Being down here, I can’t do much. But I will do anything she wants me to do,” Ted Palin said. “If she wants me to stand on a street corner, I will do it. She is a dynamite choice, and she has already made our family proud.”
OOps, not father-in-law. Uncle-in-law is more like it.
I may have to change my mind.
#316 pink puma
I’m not clear on what your point is but Muphy has stated many times that a vote for MCcain should not be considered a vote in support for the Republicans but rather a vote against the Democratic selected choice, Obama.
#317 Larry
I have an obligation to prune grapes this afternoon on 4 acres, but the rest of the weekend is open to getting after the Ohio project.
Any Ohio PUMAs, please e-mail me at myhalligan1@gmail.com
54 Firebelle Puma
I think it’s time for Hillary to say “Take a hike boys and girls of the DNC” She is allowing blackmail for a carrot in the future when all indications are they won’t come through with their end of whatever deal they struck with her.
If she allows them to continue to heap abuse on her and play her like a puppet any new opponent within the party will (rightfully) call her integrity into question.
TrishfromCanada: Organizations grow and change. I relaize PUMA has specific goals at its outset; however, to suggest such things as NOT showing support for non-Democrats seems counter productive to me. Voting Party line (except at the top) is almost tyrannical even. We deserve good people, regardless of their affiliations. There will never be a perfect candidate… we have to take what we can get when we can get it.
Protesting corrutption is fine, but you have to do so where you can make gains – and do so in moderation.
#325 trish
OMG what is missing here!
last time i checked mccain and palin are the standard bearers for the republican party platform and policies ..right?
and if I vote for them arent I voting for the republican party nominees to win?
..duhhhh
#306 Trish
Excellent outline.
(Bluejay — formerly sandbag – changed nick due to confusion with sandipuma & sandtraps)
Thank you so much, LaureyPuma! It needed sayin’
! !
#671 LaureyPuma on 08.30.08 at 3:36 am
BLUE JAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR LETTER AND FOR NOT LETTING THAT ONE GO BY.
#579 Bluejay on 08.30.08 at 1:16 am
The New Hampshire Union Leader published my letter to the editor yesterday (Friday August 29, 2008). I was very surprised because they publish very few letters on a daily basis (4 – 6).
For those of you not familiar, they are a conservative newspaper. My letter is self-explanatory, but on Wednesday August 27, the day after Hillary’s speech, the Union Leader published a large, front-page photo of her captioned, “Clinton’s moment” (in the print edition only, not online). The AP photo was one of those embarrassingly goofy, mid-expression moments that happens to everyone, and would cause any of us to immediately hit the “delete” button on our cameras. Apparently the Union Leader thought that it would be a great way to characterize their view of our beloved Senator.
They entitled my letter, “Photo choice a cheap shot to undermine Hillary” (their title, not mine, but I guess appropriate).
“To the Editors: Thank you so much for publishing that ridiculous photograph of Hillary Clinton on the front page in response to the Senator’s phenomenal speech at the Democratic Convention. I thank you because you have proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, what Hillary’s supporters have been saying all along — that the media has done everything possible to undermine Senator Clinton every step of the way. How many Associated Press photos did you have to sort through to find one ludicrous and unflattering enough to serve your purpose? Need I remind you that Senator Clinton won the New Hampshire Democratic primary?
Kick her on her way out the door — very classy indeed!”
__________________________________________
I just couldn’t let them get away with that without saying something . . .
#329 pink puma
McCain has a lovely blog where people are supporting him with intelligent conversation and very happy hearts. Perhaps the lovefest can move over there while we stay on topic over here.
Just my 2 cents as everyone likes to say.
#329 pink puma
McCain has a lovely blog where people are supporting him with intelligent conversation and very happy hearts. Perhaps the lovefest can move over there while we stay on topic over here.
Just my 2 cents as everyone likes to say.
Most recent info: Women make 78 cents to every one dollar a man makes. It has improved, but still a way to go.
#242 kendalblue
You are such a sweet person, what a nice offer you made to fellow PUMAs. I live in SE coastal Carolina, I know the value of that kind of offer.
Hey Folks,
I’m here — just doing paperwork etc.
We have Murphy & Friends on tonight at 9pm eastern on http://www.blogtalkradio.com/no-we-wont
Do call in!
Sheila, #318,
I just got this info in the mail, on a postcard, from Ohio, and so did both of my sons (also Ohio residents). Please call 614-466-2585–Sec. of State’s Office of Ohio, for verification. I did. They confirmed. VIRTUALLY NO ID REQUIRED in November’s election. We’ve got to do something. Halligan #206 has good suggestions. This is critical.
EVERYONE please see my post #200 about upcoming potential VOTER FRAUD in OHIO.
It’s CRITICAL!
Hey, Shout OUT to New Orleans PUMA, get yourself to high ground…
and yeesh… I think Friday (yesterday) the day Johnny McCain picked Sarah Palin, is going to be my first, and only day to tune in to the MSM since Mid-April, since from the looks of things by people posting here, NBC/MSNBC are filthy disgusting pigs, the whole lot of them, for suggesting Sarah Palin is not fit to govern due to having a child with Downs Syndrome. What those mongrel curs did to Hillary was bad enough, but those no good yellow journalists are doing now is beyond despicable. My wish for them all is that they are reincarnated as dogs in a culture that despises dogs, for their despicable words and actions.
Larry Rules, you can bet the BoE, SoO WILL be cross-checking voter sign-in sheets THIS time.
Brooklyn
As Pumas, we do not need to be so hard on ourselves. It is BO and his supporters that should be apologizing. The political events on Thursday and Friday were a reversal of fortune. You could see it in the faces of the pundits and in their insanse verbal attacks against Palin.
We toughened up in the primaries, and we will not tolerate the sexism again.
#334 halligan:
Ever thought that men are overrated, thus, overpaid. And that women’s pay is actually commensurate to their skills?
Hey deadgrilsrise!
maxgrader, no way!
I want to be overpaid like men are!!
I’m very upset that my New Hampshire delegates gave away ALL 30 of our votes to Obama — this after Hillary won the primary here.
Anyone have any ideas about where I should start with this? I’m too angry to think straight . . .
women should be overpaid like men
Murphy,
LOL!
I hear ya.
Murphy . . apart from writing the Republican party. . . .
any avenues for PUMA to have input on the platform?
Some people have been posting about the Sarah Palin “whining” video. Sarah Palin was right in what she said about Hilary. I watched the video and I think what she meant was that people perceive someone who complains about discrimination as being a whiner. I even believe that is what Hillary herself thought because I know she tried to ignore all the misogyny for as long as she possibly could. She is absolutely correct that telling a misogynist to stop the sexist remarks has about as much effect as telling a racist to stop the racist remarks.
The south was full of racists (I know because I grew up there) in the years following enactment of the Civil Rights Act and the only reason there was a dramatic decrease in discrimination and racist remarks is because people knew there was legal recourse. African Americans were in the minority so they didn’t have enough of a voting block to make the racist white establishment in the south change their tune. They needed legislation to make things different. We women, on the other hand, are not in the minority. In fact, as voters, we tend to be in the majority! We must use this power to send a clear message to those who treat female candidates with disrespect. Only when they suffer losses at the polls will they get it that they are not going to be allowed to disrespect female candidates.
So–I don’t think less of Sarah Palin because of her remarks. I believe we should use her candidacy to teach Chris Matthews, Keith Olberman, and the rest of the political and media misogynists a lesson!
i clicked on those “NDP” links listed up top yesterday and all I got were advertising kiosks?
what’s up with that?
I will second that murphy!!!
LADYHAWKKE – if you are still on let me say how much I REALLY DO APPRECIATE you – I am taking on a project that you just saved me at least 100 hours of research through Google – this weekend I will research all those Congress and Senate Incumbent Democratic leaders by State and post them either – you can choose which are the good and which are the bad guys – and the names of their opponents – that is if the interent will stay up long enough – weathermen can blame the change of a forecast on a high or low moving in – internet providers blame the telephone company and Obama blames everyone else -
#344 Bluejay on 08.30.08 at 3:11 pm
Since what you described happened in pretty much all states in one form or another, perhaps when the dust settles and the anger can be channeled more productively than I’m feeling right now, some kind of organized, coordinated action to all our lawmakers, newspapers, media describing/protesting it, etc. would be good.
In my state, NY, which Hillary won handily, they handed over ALL our delegates; with a big fake smile on their faces and the enthusiasm of someone who’d just returned from a wake.
I hear the dogs on Huffington Post after Sarah Palin. There are several posts. One particularly loathsome is on the whine. Here is what Sarah said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEUG0XZ9OpY
Here is the Huffy Spin:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/29/palin-hillary-clintons-wh_n_122504.html
NYCgirl and Lotus Boy: Thank you both for your information. I am grateful.
And NYC girl: If it were not for your ongoing efforts and those of 100,000s of thousands of dear good hearted loving compassionate Americans, there would not have been a New Orleans left or a People to even be able to pay attention to right now. Hugs always to each and all for so very much.
I am still washing clothes, packing…evacuation is going on verywell…in the metro area…
#304 Brooklyn
OMG, I just posted a similar idea at noquarter. I wonder when we get outfitted for birkas? Great minds think alike… but it is definitely a disturbing thought.
Just heard from a party “insider” who will spout the party line no matter what.
The spin they are putting on Obama not picking Hillary is that a black man and a woman (any woman) is a loosing ticket. Obama had no choice but to pick a white man.
Don’t shoot me. I’m the messenger. That’s what they told Hillary’s financial backers and many believed it. I bet they told the delegates the same thing.
#15 Lotus boy and all other PUMAS
Don’t know if you are still on but the factcheck.org site is an OBAMA affiliated organization. They can’t be trusted and are not neutral. I will see if I can find all the relationships that lead to this organization but it IS definitely not objective!
Headclunker,
Hi, have missed you.
Thanks for the huffpo posts but I’d rather ask you to summarize (ha). I try to visit huffpo as little as possible. You must have stronger intenstinal fortitude than me, lol…
re#356 aloha
its funny aint it that it is the republicans who have a woman on the top ticket
so much for silly sterotypes about dem vs gop bad guy vs good guy nonsense
NBC (and MSNBC) is owned by parent company GE. So the real power you have may be in your dollars. Has PUMA tried to meet with Jeffrey Immelt (CEO) or other executives? You can also write letters to the board. These folks run the show and the call the shots when it comes to NBC and MSNBC. An organized protest/ boycott could be very powerful.
#352 BrooklynNY
The delegates were coerced and harrassed and had horrendous pressure put on them. Secondly, we DON’T know if that is the REAL vote of the delegates. The written vote that they forced Hillary delegates to do did not have a chain of custody as far as we know. So, the votes that left the room could have up ended up anywhere, could have been changed, thrown out, redone, etc., etc. There is ALOT more to the story other than what we see on the surface.
#306 TrishfromCanada **** thanks for your bullet points below… I agree with all of them but perhaps we should pick the best top 5 and focus on it.
Below are Trish from Canada’s repost in case it was missed from above… but I made it a bit more concise- I hope that is OK , Trish
1. Our fight for uncorrupt democracy
2. Our fight against Obama becoming president
3. Our fight against sexism from- media, politics, blogs
4. Dems down the ticket, not on top
5. Support the New Democratic Party that Murphy et. al. have established
6. Accountability from those who voted against their primaries results in the roll call
7. Accountability from California for passing in the roll call
8. Proper vetting of Obama by the Dem Party and the media
9. Preparing the way for Hillary in 2012, if she decided to run again
10. Fighting to ensure every vote counts and proper legal voting procedures are carried out.
Hey DEADGIRLSRISE: ohhhhhSOUNDS LIKE YOU HAD A GREAT RESTFUL VACATION…LOTS OF GOOD ENERGY THERE….I CONCUR! WE ARE LEAVING;;JUST DON’T KNOW YET WHERE WE ARE GOING…DEPENDS ON WHAT THIS THING DECIDES TO INDICATE AS IT GETS A LITTLE FARTHER OUT INTO THE GULF.
FOR ANYBODY INTERESTED, THE BEST COVERAGE WILL BE ON WWLTV.COM, LOCAL TV STATION…STAYED ON ALL DURING kATRINA, MOST OF THE PEOPLE THERE LOST EVERYTHING…ALL LOCAL PEOPLE, SEASONED…AND CALM. 24 HOUR SO CALLED IDIOT NEWS STATIONS JUST LOVE HYPE..AND THEN THERE ARE THOSE LIKE COOPER ANDERSON, WHO DIDN’T THEN AND STILL DOESN’T EVEN KNOW WHERE HE IS!
Reposting from downstairs
TOPIC: A “must watch” for newbies (& oldies)!
The Clinton Factor
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=5654797
By far one of the better news teams giving more unbiased coverage to Hillary supporters, and to PUMA, has been ABC news. You can see go and mamapuma and many of us really well on this clip when we went to central station & msnbc’s stage. (About halfway thru you’ll hear a voice ask “tell me what Democracy looks like?” and that’s me), this was on a Wednesday walk heading to the Convention Center.
Suggest we collectively send this network some PUMA love next week, and let them really feel our collective “viewer admiration”…
#356 alohapuma
[The spin they are putting on Obama not picking Hillary is that a black man and a woman (any woman) is a loosing ticket. Obama had no choice but to pick a white man. ]
What a bunch of crap with that spin! And to think that idea was bought while at the same time they also sold the ‘Change’ concept while having absolutely nothing to substantiate what this so called change was suppose to be (although I have my grave suspiscions). All it tells me is that the sexism is right inside the Democratic party. If there was openmindeness towards women, they (the Dems and XO) would have had no issue with running a woman on the same ticket. They make me sick.
For what it’s worth I think XO is afraid of MO, seemed to have issues with his mother (and maybe grandmother as well) from what I can gather from my readings, thus is afraid of women altogether.
#325 Trish i agree with you whole heartedly
#362 freddiebrown
Thank you for making the list clearer
MURPHY,
Great job in Denver! I had a special request. Would you please consider reorganizing the site to add threads specifically with links/info of items we can quickly access and shorter threads. For example, Nobo’s birth certificate, citizenship, delegate harrassment, msm misogyny and sexism, voter fraud, etc., etc. This would really be helpful before I start looking at new websites. I hae alot of people I met in Denver and friends who I promised to send info to but I am taking alot of time tracking it all down.
Thanks for your consideration and help!
Hey everyone, I saw something on foxnews today and I need everyone or anyones help who saw it or know where I can find info on it. The fox and friends weekend morning show had a gentleman on from Forbes Magazine anyways he was asked about the two candidates, he said that BO’s was horrible just smoke and mirrors he would be INCREASING TAXES on people. She questioned that and he said nope his doing a magic trick and for sure his proposal would be bad for the people. He said McCain’s was just as McCain states straight direct nothing hidden and would help. I don’t remember all the info so i want to find it so I can show all my friends who are still thinking about voting for Mr Wonderful just for that reason because BO promises to cut taxes and they think McCain will raise them. LIES.
Hi sandipuma, how are you doing today?
#365CJV: Oh, I will concur with them there, this black man and any woman are definitely a loosing ticket because he is a looser wheter he is black, or white. And he is at the top of the ticket made up by the loosers who put him there.
360 Wallamoose
We are on the same wave length. I have been putting thoughts on paper about a boycott to present to Murphy.
If you want to discuss it you can email me at my username at gee male dot com. Perhaps we can work on something to present to Murphy.
Home.
Finally.
Hillstheone… you were given my home number, not my cellphone number. I have several messages from you here. Sorry we didn’t connect when you needed to connect in Denver.
PS I believe purple is opposite orange on the color wheel.
According to Murphy, orange is a color of power. It’s also Murphy’s favorite color.
#348 MattsMarie on 08.30.08 at 3:17 pm
Last night on Hannity a female surrogate for John McCain really laced into Bob Beckel and some other guy for disparaging Sarah Palin’s accomplishments by saying the ONLY reason McCain chose her was because of Hillary Clinton. She wouldn’t have been his choice at all if the Democrats hadn’t passed Hillary up and choosing her was a gimmick by JM. The JM surrogate really laced into Beckel and didn’t let up, calling his remarks sexist, etc. (diminishing her achievements despite her resume was a lot more substantial than BO’s). She shut him up. He sat there with his lips tightly slammed shut, pouting with internal rage.
Where are all the great defenders of civil rights, womens’ rights? Where the f are the Democratic Party leaders and members? Their silence is deafening. Where are those strong Democratic voices, male and female, speaking out against this? Nowhere. Not a one. NADA.
What’s happening now is very frightening. What are we going to do about it? We have to do something. We can’t just let it stand.
Murphy: Will you please pass on the word to those online radio talkshows. They would get a lot more callers if they would learn to set an egg timer on each one who calls up, it’s terrible hanging on the line forever with one person monopolizing the show.
Okay – I’m back after being gone for a while – gonna leave right away again
Isn’t anybody moderating this site? I am looking for ways to get My Democratic Party back, stop precious from being elected in November, and stop misogyny against all women, not only Palin – instead I’m reading all the stuff about abortions & creationism, etc. – not our focus people and not something I care about – if thats your bag – find a different site
I’ll hear you on the radio Murphy -
WELCOME HOME DANCES WITH PUMAS!
I CAN’T BELIEVE CA. “PASSED” AT THE CONVENTION!
GREAT graphics for opening thread. You are amazingly creative and talented!
hi dances,
well, that explains that! I had already forgotten about it. Amazing what happens when you’re in a big & unfamiliar city with insomnia, caffeine, & lots of new PUMA faces, lol…glad you made it home safely, & sorry about the ticket.
#371 NewOrleansPuma
lol! You make a great point. I was attempting to speak in a hypothetical sense. If the nominee had good character, integrity, a decent past, good values it could have worked! None of the above apply to XO. Hey, I don’t think even a white man is going to work on this ticket…..unless, of course, they have major plans for fraud invovled to win the election, which I am very concerned about.
Rancho,
Well quite frankly there were MANY California delegates approached us to say hi & ask for Hillary stickers, and then when you asked them “who are you going to vote for?” they just looked shocked and said “why Hillary, of course.”
So believe you me, those CA delegates prob’ly cried big tears on Wed nite, just like we did…
NewOrleansPuma and all that are potentially in Gustav’s path. My thoughts and prayers are with all of you.
Sorry, but I just can’t accept that the republicans are suddenly so pro-women by choosing Palin.
I believe it was a brilliant politcal move with the hope that many of us would feel better about switching to McCain. I am convinced that if Hillary had not been so formidable in the primaries you would see an all male republican ticket.
I will never be negative about Palin except to criticize her stance on choice, the environment and any other issues I find fault with. Sexism is not ever acceptable.
I wanted Hillary as my candidate as much an anybody and maybe even more than some. However, I cannot out of my anger and disappointment suddenly say all democrats are worthless and refuse to vote for any democrat because of what has happened.
My worst nightmare is a republican president with a republican congress. I am a Senate junkie and I have watched how republicans vote on the issues that are so important to Hillary and to me and probably to most of you. It’s not pretty. I am mad as hell at many democrats and I agree that there are some that need to be voted out. However, before I do that I need to be certain the replacement is better.
I will never under any circumstances vote for Obama. Beyond that, I am not sure how I will vote but it will not be based soley on wanting to be anti-democrat.
I am excited about the New Democratic Party and will participate. I will always be a democrat, probably what many would describe as an FDR democrat.
I do respect the fact that there are many who do not share my beliefs and appreciate the opportunity to express mine.
379 cjv
I concerned about the possible election fraud too. The best way to predict the future is to look at the past.
Maybe we Puma’s should all voluteer to be poll workers!
#376 Susie1945
Very respectfully, Susie . . I think people are going through convention “withdrawal” and beginning to try to understand what they believe in and where it can fit. I am grateful for the intelligent, sensitive people here that are allowing us to grabble with issues and still keep us focused.
JMO
“Muphy has stated many times that a vote for MCcain should not be considered a vote in support for the Republicans but rather a vote against the Democratic selected choice, Obama.” – Great point, TrishfromCanada
After seeing and talking to the news media in Denver you could see the Europeon’s were more concerned than our own media was with what was happening to our country.Being there and in the midst of the sexists and racists really opens ones eyes wider than ever.Meeting the Pumas face to face and looking into their eyes of devistation and the kindness aand caring makes me think long and hard.Makes me proud of everything that has been done.Makes me know we can make things change and our voices heard so this horrible selection and corruption never happens again.We are all strong enough to take back our country .We are strong enough to make a New Democratic Party. I for one will be working to keep BO out of the WhiteHouse and that means i will close my eyes and hold my nose and see that Mccain /Palin beats the pants off the Undemocratic Party.
******** JUST OPENED THIS FROM PA REP *****
Re: NO FLOOR VOTE, NO DICE!!! WE WILL WORK IN PA FOR CHANGE!!!
From: waringsh@bellsouth.net
Sent: Thu 8/28/08 3:55 AM
To: Barbara Wysocki (barbsadoll10@hotmail.com)
You have to be nuts! WH
————– Original message from Barbara Wysocki : ————–
NOTICE TO ALL SUPERDELEGATES
If there is no bonafide open floor vote at the convention this will be the last time the Democratic Party will be guaranteed a slot on state ballots in PENNSYLVANIA.
OUR PAC will work to change our State Laws that give preferential treatment to a candidate of the Democratic Party because the Democratic Party’s candidate–Barack Obama–was selected by the Party and not by the voters.
Please pass the word to all Delegates and Superdelegates–we are serious!
Barbara Wysocki
PUMAPac Member
Montgomery Co, PA
alohapuma: The PUMA’s I was hanging with all said they were thinking about how to become delegates next time around….
Murphy, “Delegate Training 101″or “Delegate mentoring,” one of our sub-causes..??! Something to think about. Seriously.
I have already joined the McCain/Palin mailing list and made a donation. When they asked who referred me I said, “I am a Hillary Clinton Democrat.” What does this mean? I guess it means I am much more mainstream than the guys who hijacked the Democratic party are.
Like Hillary, I was brought up in a Republican household and once in the real world quickly re-registered as a Democrat, largely because of birth control, gay rights and the right to choose–and it is the latter which is the bone of contention with McCain/Palin. I don’t think they are hopeless though, since there is evidence they do believe in accurate readings of the Constitution (hence Palin’s bucking her party to give benefits to gay couples in Alaska) and since we control the House and Senate I think we should give them four years to come around.
So I guess this election is my Teddy Roosevelt moment, where I think it is more important I put my one personal issue aside and send organized crime back to Chicago, and gently, but firmly, wrest the party back to the mainstream for the 2012 election.
We love you, Hillary, and are ready to back you — and, who knows? Maybe this gunslinger from Alaska will be able to flush some of our old party crooks out of Washington so we can bring in fresh blood, you know, strong, smart, bold men and women in the Hillary mold.
Ferraro on now! Tslking abt. Puma on Fox
#361 diva2 on 08.30.08 at 3:29 pm
Yes, I do believe you’re right. My question is: How could they have gotten EVERYONE in Democratic leadership to go along with all this? Why didn’t someone protest loud enough to get it stopped? I don’t necessarily mean the average citizen delegate, but people that DO have power and authority, like Al Gore, George Mitchell, Bill Bradley, etc., etc., There’s something so bizarre going on. Granted they all want to win the White House, but how all of a sudden would so many be willing to sell their principles down the river to accomplish it? I just don’t understand this. I feel like I’m watching a Felini movie while on hallucinagenic drugs.
re#376 susie
the “way” to stop precious from being elected is pretty clear…vote mccain/palin
that would also give you greater leverage to get your democratic party back..
simply stated the “way” you seek is found by voting mccain/palin in november
cjv: I also am very concerned that these guys have figured out how to alter some of the electronic voting machines. Look at what Google accomplished. I am extremely worried about this, and have been from the beginning. The confidence level of these thugs has been way too high for lots of reasons and this is one of them.
Clintondems.com sent out this link today. Have a hanky handy. The GooGoo Doll’s “Better Days” was a brilliant choice for music, too.
Thank you, Hillary Clinton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kfZLuI1wqg
On fox. interrupted Ferraro, had to go on break . . said she wrote a column and knows she has much to say but will get back to her. She was talking abt. ALLthe Puma letters. Anyone know abt. the column?
Hills . . .you went to! I want to hear more abt. your CA stories. I have to go now. I hope to catch you later.
I truly believe that the single most powerful way to make sure that the DNC (and all other guilty parties) change their low down tactics during this election is to hurt them by making sure that the ELECTED one is not in the White House.
We could work to this end till the proverbial cows come home by sending emails and calling but it would be a drop in the bucket compared to what a devastating blow it would be for Obama, Michelle, Donna Belize, Nancy Pelosi, all the Hillary haters in the blog/media etc. Every single one who saw to it that Hillary did not win, will be counted in this blow… What sweet revenge and what sweet lesson in misogny, fraud, sexism, etc etc,,,, you guys fill in the blank.
ONE FELL SWOOP for Obama’s loss AND THE LESSON WILL BE CLEAR TO THE DNC AND THE WORLD THAT NOT ALL AMERICANS ARE FOOLS . This must be on the top of the agenda – to make sure that Obama is not President. We must not reward Obama, his followers, the DNC, the Hillary haters with a win. We absolutely MUST NOT reward bad behaviour.
It is as clear as day for me… why are we out of focus ?
#383 alohapuma
[Maybe we Puma’s should all voluteer to be poll workers!]
I had the same thought. However, and I think it was briefly discussed on a previous thread is to attempt to idenitify where the likely locations of fraud that may occur. I wouldn’t know know where to start on that.
I would be willing to make a bit of a trip to another area if need be as I don’t think problems will occur in the general area where I live.
The new law in Ohio where ID’s are nt required will probably be a huge problem.
re#385 hill
all that is fine and of course were all thrilled to cast our protest vote..the bottom line is that as long as you vote mccain/palin all of that is cool..
Rancho
What was the rationale for CA “passing”? I didn’t mark my ballot “Pass”! Stick a fork in me, I’m done with the sham party.
It occurs to me that the country’s two major political parties are made up of extremists. Some are very wedded to the liberal idea of pro-choice to the point they would allow babies who survived abortion to die or even be killed in the most inhumae way, starvation. People on the other side cannot see any reason, ever, including saving the mother’s life, to do an abortion. The vast majority of Americans are somewhere in between.
This is just one example of where reality and idealism to the point of stupidity governs our political sphere.
Some time ago, I think maybe during the last congressional elections, my daughters, both young adults were discussing this. Both concluded that we need a new, centrist, more rational political party to fill the void. It is my hope that Puma can either foster that in the Democratic party or in our new party, or at least break new ground in that direction.
#393 NewOrleansPuma
And those voting machines I beleive are Dieblod, owned by the Saudi’s. Weren’t they the ones in question for the voting discrepencies in NH?
california will be passing a new voter registration law very soon..
anyone can register to vote via the internet
Dances . . .I cried too, obviously with you. I don’t get it either. WHOOOOOO made that decision. Was it taken to a vote? When did you hear abt. it?
#396 freddiebrown on 08.30.08 at 3:53 pm
Yes, you are absolutely right.
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The other thing to consider is that if the Democrats get a majority in the House and Nancy Pelosi is reelected (which she probably will be) she will continue to be the Speaker of the House, setting the legislative agenda and contining to wield her ungodly power.
I know many people want downticket Dems to get a majority in Congress, but the thought of Nancy Pelosi maintaining her position of power in Congress and controlling the agenda gives me nightmares.
freddiebrown,
I hear your fury. Voter fraud (caucus fraud in the caucus states) and his Birth Certificate issue are two wide-open cracks in the underbelly of the Obama lovefest.
The caucus fraud issue is one that we need to talk about, email about, blog about, and “buzz up” on the internet.
Hello PUMAS.
It is great to see a positive reaction to Sarah Palin here. I have some freinds that live in Alaska, and have always thought she would be great on a national ticket. Not because she is a Republican, but because she is one of that rare breed that puts country before her party.
I consider myself to be a conservative independent, pushed in that direction by the intellectual dishonesty and adbication of the itnerests of the country by both parties insistence on putting the party first. Last time I checked, that did not work out too well for either the communist party or the Soviet Union.
I am married to a wonderful, beautuful, intelligent woman and have two daughters out of the same mold. I have sssn on more than one occassion where their intellectual abilities and skills were denigrated due to their sex or their looks. And I had more than enough of the misogyny of the political establishment and the MSM in their treatment of Hillary Clinton. That was a real eye opener for those of us that truly believe in equality without conditions.
I say it was refershing to come here and see the positive responses because I read some of the blogs in the tank for Obama and csome of the conservative blogs this AM that turned my stomach. Kos was the worst – accusing Palin of “whelping a mongoloid child”, planting the smear that her infant son is actually her daughter’s baby, and other despicable and vile crap.
Other blogs are merely dressing up their sexist bigotry with kinder words – experience, petty quips about her small town roots and large family. I posted on a few of them, asking how much executive experience Obama or Biden had, or for that matter how much foreign policy experience and national security experience Bill Clinton, George Bush or other Presidents had before they were elected. Crickets chipring.
The trooper deal is being made out to be a big deal. The inside scoop from my Alaskan friends is that the trooper in question, while he was Palin’’s former brother in law, was reprimanded for a number of things in the past, including using a taser on his 10 year old stepson, drinking in his partol car while on duty, shooting game without a license, and threatening to put a bullet in the head of Palins father. Set aside the family relationship here – that trooper is still on the job. In any State other than Alaska I think he would have been fired for any one of those issues ling ago.
As I scroll though the news this morning, I was saddened to see a repeat of the Hillary treatment with Palin – only this time they are going after Palin’s family as well. Her Downes son, her daughters, her entire family. What is unbelievable is that Team Obama is just sitting back and letting it happen. No attempts to say lay off the family and stick to the issues. In fact, based on some of the comments, I believe that members of the Obama team are participating in this grand smear.
So, here we go again, only this time Palin’s entire family is fair game. Do you think the MSM or the Kos people would dare to say a peep about Obama’s daighters? Or Biden’s family? McCain’s daughter? No way.
At least I can stop in here and find sanity and intellectual honesty.
354 NewOrleansPuma – I am proud to be a Texan. We welcome you yet again and always, should you choose to come down this side, to avoid Gustav. Do keep us informed of your travels, travails and happenings.
Hypothetical:
After Palin DESTROYS Biden in their debate, let’s suppose Obama drops Biden and takes Clinton in his place. Do you then vote for Obama to support Hillary or vote for McCain to continune your protest of the DNC?
freddie brown
Very well said! It is my number one goal to defeat BO in the GE.
#200 Larry Rules
It is my understanding that provisional votes do not count right away. During Super Tuesday, California had tens of thousands of provisional ballots. After they were verified, the votes counted weeks later.
BO and ACORN are gaming the system through duplicate registration cards and attempting to register felons. However, unlike a caucus, each state has steps in place to prevent a general election fraud. Is it 100% accurate? Probably not, but it comes awfully close.
DANCES . . .Even tho’ you are farther down south, I would love to have an opportunity to meet up with “Southern” people who went, or people who didn’t and are interested in being involved in the next step in CA. Maybe get a better perspective of perspective and new goals? Do you think this could happen?
#409 Kempion
To get my vote, BO cannot be at the top of the ticket. He is a crook!
Rancho,
The whole thing was very mysterious.
Obamabots Recipe for Disaster in America:
1. First they use Caucus Fraud
2. Then they threw in the Race card, and sexism
3. Then intimidated delegates at the convention
4. Then made Hillary cut off the rollcall, “just to be sure.”
A very orchestrated and mafia-like approach to Democracy, I must say…
Welp . . gotta go for sure.
Hills and Dances . . welcome home!
Maybe catch you later?
When I called my friend Jody last evening to ask for a McCain-Palin sign for my front yard, he thought an earthquake had hit our little midwestern town!
Here is my plan: I am putting my new sign out front, and just behind it my Hoosiers for Hillary sign. If I can work it in somehow and still have it visible, a PUMA sign will go up, either underneath Hillary or McCain, or maybe in between if I can make one just the right size and have it laminated.
For Jody, this is a major moment. I am a prominent local democrat, and have been for more than 25 years. My editorials in the local newspaper always cause a stir.
I think my plan will speak volumes to the locals who know me. What do you folks think?
Kempion,
If Obama decides to cut Biden loose, I very much doubt Hillary would join him. That would indicate a campaign in real trouble, and the last thing Hillary needs is to run the risk of first being passed over, second being a grudging second choice, and third, the possibility of getting tainted by a losing ticket.
Bill and Hillary are masters of their craft, and would steer clear of that debacle. Obama made his bed, and she’s let him sleep in it. And once Obama loses, ot all but eliminates him as her Presidential competition for the next run.
TOPIC: PUMA Reunion, “Oh, Atlanta!”
* * * GEORGIA PUMA’s * * *
I’m in Oregon but going to be in Georgia week of Nov. 18.
All PUMA’s in & anywhere near Atlanta, will you please send mamapuma an email, I’d like to organize a little PUMA Party in the Atlanta area one of those nights, thanks.
We all worked to hard to stand by and let the corruption continue. Murphy worked her tiny butt off for this to happen and for all our Human Rights.A New Democratic Party is a must and it will mean a long hard battle ahead of us all. Hillary said Run,When you hear the dogs don’t look back ,keep running well that means don’t stop fighting “onward and upward” listen to the message
409 Kempion
Personally speaking, although Hillary Clinton surpasses all 4 candidates in intellect, consciousness, and accomplishments, I still would not vote for Obama if Hillary was on the ticket (walking three steps behind someone who is inferior to her) due to the corrupt practices of the DNC and the caucus fiascos, and the Denver Convention theatre of bullying the delegates. I’m just not into rewarding corruption, thuggery, thievery, and undermining the democratic processes.
Honesty, if any of the players who were involved in the dispicable behaviors of the past 6 months (?) were lying in the street bleeding to death, and i was the only one who could assist them? I would step over them and keep on walking. That is representative of the depth and intensity of my disgust.
Rancho, yes I hope to be back on tonight for sure.
BBL… Hugs, All.
#399 Dances
It would hae put Hillary in the lead at that point and they did not want her to be in the lead at all, at any point.
Sigh…Just read an email from a great friend. A die-hard Hillary suporter. She drank the Kool-Aid. Now she said that she was proud to be a Democrat. Didn’t I recently read similar on another post? Must be propaganda they were feeding to them.
Yet, I couldn’t help myelf as she inquired what I thought of his speech. I sent her a very long response as to why I was not impressed.
#222 mkp651
Did you read the link from C4Hill?
I think all the people in Pelosi’s district could vote her out this time, either vote for Cindy Shehan, or for the republican, I don’t know his name. But Shehan might be the best choice. Not because she is highly educated or any of those things, but because she is a true outsider. She would most likely vote with the democrats much of the time, which would be a better balance than putting in a republican.
Pelosi can’t do much harm if she isn’t in the Congress any more as Speaker.
#415 Henerietta sounds good and go for it. One i went to Denver with is doing something the same.
411 Rancho
Of course that can happen, and it should happen.
We could arrange and broadcast a get-together of PUMA PAC and The New Democratic Pary members via PUMA PAC’s Southwest Regional moderator.
pamawo #382 is not my sockpuppet, but I believe she is inhabiting my brain right now.
I’d ask for an exorcism but it’s pleasant being inhabited by such an obviously intelligent, principled, and witty person.
My Sister works with a PUMA in Atlanta, in the FHA office. Sister is a moderate Republican, but we had her best wishes to succeed. She likes Hillary, too. Anyway, she discovered that a co-worker is a PUMA!
There are Pumas everywhere these days!
411 Rancho
I meant to include that I am going to be very busy these next 6 weeks or so… cathcing up on things I’ve ignored and let pile up over the past couple of months,
end of fiscal year junk at work, getting my house and activities of daily living schedule in order, etc.
Maybe you could pitch a couple of ideas and when we decide on something, take on the role of point of contact?
I was driving in San Diego last night and saw a moving car with a huge printed text on the bumper – “Need Obama stuff ? Ask me”. She was AA and had all sorts of vomit stuck on her car. Made me vomit.. but such is the passion and determination of the Obama followers.
I can bet you money that voter fraud will be rampant
during the elections.. As some may have seen Obama saying ” I intend to win this election – make no mistake about it. I am from Chicago politics” I saw this clip during the convention but it was from the primaries I think… I could not believe he actually said Chicago politics as if it were badge of honor.. well, actually for him it is a badge of honor.
But I digress..just wanted to share
#399 DancesWithPumas on 08.30.08 at 3:55 pm
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According to the gagged lawyer delegate from California (sorry forgot her name), the Hillary delegates in CA remained true – hence, she would have jumped out ahead of ‘the one’ in the count and that would have been embarrasing for him. Pfffft. I do not even want to remember it – it was so disgusting and sick to watch.
in answer to an obama spam email at my gee mail account… wonder which delegate gave my email addie away?
Mr. Obama is quite a rock star… I hope that all the money the taxpayers paid for the extra security is known by is supporters… It has been reported to be about 9.5 million dollars. The extravaganza was amazing… But he will never know how many just came for the concert… He shoulda charged admission too… or maybe the US Government should have… to make up for the taxpayer dollars!!!
DO NOT COUNT ME IN AS ONE OF HIS SUPPORTERS… LET HIM PROVE BEYOND THIS WOMAN’S REASONABLE DOUBT THAT HE IS LEGALLY ABLE TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT… HOW ABOUT HIS REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO AN EX-DEMOCRAT…”WHEN THE PARTY IS ONCE AGAIN DEMOCRATIC, COUNT ME BACK IN!!!”
I GOT THIS (HOW RIDICULOUS):
Dear Friend,
Thank you for contacting Senator Barack Obama and Obama for America.
Barack is gratified by the overwhelming response to his candidacy, and we appreciate hearing from you. Please note, though, that we are now replying only to emails sent through our webform. You may resend your message through the webform here:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/contact/
We also encourage you to submit your policy ideas through the My Policy feature of our website, here:
http://www.BarackObama.com/issues
We have also created the Answer Center, an easy-to-search database of questions and answers that lets you find information on a wide range of subjects from volunteering to policy positions. Try it out here:
http://answercenter.barackobama.com
The webform and other technologies help improve our ability to communicate with you and efficiently read and respond to the thousands of messages we receive every week. Please note that you can use it to cut and paste large messages and links to other websites.
Thank you for using the webform, it helps us improve the process of communicating with you.
Sincerely,
Obama for America
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#409 Kempion, If anything Biden might cut loose from Obama. I think they all know that O is political poison at this point. I would not vote for Obama whoever the VP is. The corruption of the DNC isnt’ going to be solved by rewarding them with public office.
Hillstheone
I’m not far from atlanta so count me in for the get together!!
Pamawo makes excellent points! I can agree with all of them.
What needs to be done will take time, Maybe 3 or 4 congressional cycles. But it can be done. We simply have to go about it in a rational and methodical way.
There are good people out there who would fill the void if given a chance. Perhaps we can be that motivation and assistance they need to come forth?
Maybe we should have a 2, 4, 6, and 8 year plan? That is how companies do it……..might work?
#382
This entire Democratic primary was one smooth move after another by BO and his cronies. I agree that the Republicans do not always represent my views. However, to my horror, I discovered neither does the Democratic Party.
Sorry Pink Puma – voting Republican is not my choice – I am a Democrat, will probably die a Democrat – I want my party back, I want Hillary as my president, I want, I want, I want – I’m having a tantrum and after the greek farce this past week I feel I’m entitled so you promote republicans alll you want but remember that the focus of this site is:
No Precious for President
Getting the Democratic Party back for us die-hard democrats
Voting for a republican is your choice but is NOT the focus of this site -
Geraldine Ferraro said on FOX that the only women she expects to cross over and vote for McCain/Palin are the PUMAs. Said she got about 300 letters and emails citing their anger about how DNC treated Hillary.
404 Rancho
I heard it live as we listened to the roll call vote live at the Denver PUMA PAC headquarters. Several of us were there while the other PUMA PAC Pumas (so much fun to say!) were downtown protesting.
Right now on Fox…some guy thinks women that are voting for McCain because of Palin is a “chromosomal thing”. The other reporters are amazed that this guy thinks there is only one woman out there going toward McCain.
Well, I think Bill made an appropriate statement…first you take “candidate X and candidate Y”….
Hi All,
I have been gone for a week, but watched the disgusting spectacle called the Democratic Convention on tv in New Mexico. What a joke!
What happened with the lawsuit? Any word on the investigation into voter fraud?
I find it so odd that everyone I talk with opposes Obama and yet the convention was filled with supporters. Maybe they are the total of his fans. Let’s hope.
ctv: I do not know re ownership or the NH. I know that all of these so called make it easier to vote laws are not good. They make it easier to perpertrate fraud, not easier to vote.
and to you Lotus Boy: Thank you. Love Texas…Texans know how to take care of refugees and just plain ole what’s happenin people who happen down the road!
Ha! Just saw some JERK on Fox laughing and saying that women who would cross over and vote for McCain because of his Palin pick for VP are “unsophisticated”, and that besides there are very few who would do that. He was slamming Palin as well.
In honor of one of the stupidest talking heads I’ve ever seen on nationwide tv, I’m going to give McCain my first donation right now.
I am pi%%ed off!
Pumas FOX wants to here from people that are now supporting McCain because of GOV.PALIN
********ON FOX NOW**********GO TELL THEM WHY
weekendlive@foxnews.com
#436 EWard
[However, to my horror, I discovered neither does the Democratic Party.]
And I will venture to guess that there are many XO supporters who think he his representing their Democratic values (being simliar to the NDP, not the DNC’s) as well. They just don’t realize, but hopefully will in time.
#391 Brooklyn NY
They were threatened, coerced, paid off and God knows what else. YOu know those payoff amounts we saw from nobo and Pelosi’s PAC’s? Actually, there were 5 or 6 PAC’s that paid them each coming to $50,000 for each of them (the ones who got payoffs).
#432 bmw60 on 08.30.08 at 4:25 pm
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I’ve been getting those spams too from the Oblahblah campaign. And when I try to unsubscribe, the darned system never responds with the special code. So I’ve been stuck in their bloomin system for days, and have been emailing the DNC two to three times per day trying to get them to take me off their list. I’ve now taken to threatening to sue them under the SPAM laws if they do not abide by my unsubscribe requests. We’ll see if that works.
#446 Correction
Each of them receiving in most cases $50,000 or much higher!
Media misogynists and Democratic leaders are already comparing this accomplished and well spoken woman to Dan Quayle. I guess since Sarah Palin is a woman she must be ditzy?
On the other hand, many are comparing Sarah Palin to Tina Fey and Elain from Seinfeld. Which is pretty awesome!
When you hear the smucks being sexist, not the name, program, date and time, comments and sponsors.
Then write to the sponsors and tell them you will be organizing boycotts of their products, don’t forget to cc the CEOs of the station(s) as well.
Okay. I have to get some work done now. See ya later.
re#437 susie
please share with us how you plan to carry out your slogan of “No Precious for President” this election..
as far as I know there is only one way to do that and that’s by voting for mccain/palin
if you have another solution to not have obama as prez I’d love to know..
415 Henerietta – I salute you. Please contact as many as possible in Ohio to keep them aware of going-on out there.
********GO PUMAS TELL FOX***************
They want to know if we Dems. are now supporting McCain because of Palin. Or why we are supporting McCain.********NOWS ARE CHANCE TELL THEM****
yourworldlive@foxnews.com
#444 tillerylakelady on 08.30.08 at 4:34 pm
Just sent them my email!
Thank you NObamaDem
Link to a great site:
http://smartwomenforhillary.com/
PLUS, IDEA:
Volunteer to be a poll worker in November.
Anybody knows what really happen with CA delegates in Denver?
Why did they PASS? They were supposed to vote for Hillary, and NM, and TX and NY, but all those states were ommited.
When I voted y specified my candidate.
I didn’t vote whoever.
ely
dolores huerta california delegate placed hillarys name in nomination
*************Listen Pumas*************
Fox just said that in 5 minute they got 40 e-mails from Hillary supporters switching over to Mccain.
REPOST: If you guys/gals want to do something that will possibly make a difference, read this response to my e=mail regarding Obama’s eligibility and whether we should file with our SOS’s a challenge to his qualifications. Since we don’t know the time limits in each state, it’s imperative that we do this immediately so we don’t miss a deadline. It’s worth a chance and at least we will have tried.
philjberg@obamacrimes.com
to me
Reply
Hi Lady Hawkke,
You can send letters requesting and/or demanding proper investigation into Senator Obama’s eligibility with the Secretary of State for each State. In some States, there are deadlines of which you can file an objection. Several people have already begun this process and are writing to inform us who they wrote and any response they received.
In Federal Court, once a party is served with an action, they have 30 days to respond. Keep in mind, this does not stop the process of litigation. In other words, we do not have to wait for Senator Obama’s response to my lawsuit prior to filing any motions and/or demanding discovery.
Phil
Voting Observation:
I’m new and have been reading yesterday’s posts all in one sitting and I just had a thought. It’s obvious we’re all passionate, life-long democrats who are disgusted and horrified by BO being our nominee so the mission is to defeat him in November. The next logical question is to figure out the best way to reach that goal and I think the obvious answer is to vote McCain/Palin.
I KNOW that is appalling to many people (my sister tells me daily) as we have never voted for a Republican and have spent our lives fighting to keep them out of office, but if we are serious about keeping BO out of the white house, ESPECIALLY in any swing state, then can’t those who don’t want to do that just think of it as a huge vote AGAINST BO and not voting for McCain?
Also, as a feminist, I think we need to think long and hard about not letting the same corrupt DNC crowd who stole this from Hillary trick us into focusing on Roe v. Wade or any other issue we might not agree with Palin on. Asian4Hillary #33 posting said it perfectly – we need to mobilize for this woman because we have a chance to get a woman in that white house and you can’t underestimate how dramatic an impact that will have on women across the world! We have to break up that boy’s club!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What happens if Obama is removed as the Democratic nominee?
http://www.obamacrimes.com/
Republican Women
Standing in sharp contrast to the two existing political parties’ present stereotypes regarding minorities and women, once again the Republican Party was the vanguard in relation to women. In 1917, Jeannette Rankin, a Montana Republican, became the first woman to serve in the House. Committed to her pacifist beliefs, she was the only member of Congress to vote against entry into both World War I and World War II.
Shortly after Rankin’s election to Congress, the 19th Amendment was passed in 1919. The amendment’s journey to ratification had been a long and difficult one. Starting in 1896, the Republican Party became the first major party to officially favor women’s suffrage. That year, Republican Sen. A. A. Sargent of California introduced a proposal in the Senate to give women the right to vote. The proposal was defeated four times in the Democratic-controlled Senate. When the Republican Party regained control of Congress, the Equal Suffrage Amendment finally passed (304-88). Only 16 Republicans opposed the amendment.
When the amendment was submitted to the states, 26 of the 36 states that ratified it had Republican-controlled legislatures. Of the nine states that voted against ratification, eight were controlled by Democrats. Twelve states, all Republican, had given women full suffrage before the federal amendment was finally ratified.
#459 ElyLos Angeles
Essentially, (with a bit of strong arming) HRC agreed on how the role call would be done. Putting CA near the top and show all delegates for her would have shown a winning edge, so the 400+ delagtes were passed and not counted. For NY, it was then she made the acclamation to turn the win to BO. The role call was then ended. I don’t recall if NM and TX was called prior to NY, possibly they were after NY, thus not noted. A sham, a total sham.
re#462
lady
im 100% behind phil bergs legal suit against obama..
one thing concerns me though..
he keeps saying that “someone” has obamas kenyan birth certificate which will prove he is not a US citizen.He says he has never actually seen that document or has absolute confirmation of its existence..
it seems hes opening himself up for accuasations of filing frivolous groundless lawsuit..
i hope phil berg knows what hes doing!
MURPHY
You have mail.
Just submitted the following email to Fox News. Thanks for letting us know they were wanting input!
Hi Fox…
I’m a life-long Democrat, and a Hillary Clinton voter who will now be voting for McCain! I think Palin was a great pick! While in the I’ve always been pro-choice in the past, I do think there are more important issues to be considered here…Especially in this year’s election!!! Many of us fear what Obama will bring to this country…much more than we are worried about Roe v. Wade at this point! I tire of pundits and
analysts thinking the choice/life issue is the only thing that motivates women voters to vote one way or another. They are so wrong. Please let that recent guest of yours know how wrong he is….Ellis Hennican was his name. He was so conceited in his VERY
INCORRECT view!!!! Additionally, even pro-choice voters, have got to have a lot of respect for a woman who “chose” to have a baby with down-syndrome,
in sticking with her principals. GO Sarah Palin!
#460 pink puma
But why those delegates didn’t count?
Because Hillary finished with only 461 delegates. IMO that’s the reason she decided to released the delegates and let the messiah be selected by acclamation, to avoid the humilliation.
EWWWWWW GROSS,
A kiss is just a kiss, but not a kiss like this.
Barack Obama’s accidental lip lock with Jill Biden is burning up the Web today – fast becoming the giggle-du-jour of the Democratic National Convention.
Tens of thousands have downloaded from YouTube (see video below) the footage of Barack smooching the wife of vice-presidential pick Joe Biden on the lips as Mrs. Obama was watching from the stands.
COMPLETE COVERAGE OF THE DNC
Uptight old media got into the razzing too.
“Obama stunned the audience with a buss to Jill Biden,” the Washington Post wrote.
“The blogs were alive yesterday with speculation that Obama’s on-stage kiss with Jill Biden after her husband’s speech was a little too friendly,” London’s Daily Telegraph newspaper reported.
On CNN, reporter Jeanne Moos wondered, “Is that a little too tender?”
The adult-oriented Web site Frisky headlined their story, “The Accidental Mouth Kiss: Haven’t We All Been There?”
They also offered the Democratic presidential candidate some advice on how to get past this faux pas.
“Laugh this incident off,” they advised.
The Obama/Biden campaign wasn’t even chuckling about it.
It’s not news that the blond and brainy Mrs. Biden – an English professor with two masters degrees and a doctorate – is an object of desire.
Her husband has more than once called her “drop dead gorgeous” in public. Last year, MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, crowned her the “best-looking campaigner in this race.”
This is also not the first time the Democratic convention has been marked by a controversial kiss.
Who can forget Al Gore’s smooch of Tipper at the 2000 convention, a kiss that went on and on and on while embarrassed delegates checked their watches.
At least those two are married.
csiemaszko@nydailynews.com
#415 Henerietta on 08.30.08 at 4:06 pm When I called my friend Jody last evening to ask for a McCain-Palin sign for my front yard, he thought an earthquake had hit our little midwestern town!
Here is my plan: I am putting my new sign out front, and just behind it my Hoosiers for Hillary sign. If I can work it in somehow and still have it visible, a PUMA sign will go up, either underneath Hillary or McCain, or maybe in between if I can make one just the right size and have it laminated.
For Jody, this is a major moment. I am a prominent local democrat, and have been for more than 25 years. My editorials in the local newspaper always cause a stir.
I think my plan will speak volumes to the locals who know me. What do you folks think?
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My idea is to make up a Bumper sticker with two lines something like
DEMOCRATS VOTE
McCAIN / PALIN 08
ely
i know..it’s a real shame isnt it
damn that DNC!
KEMPION: Re your theoretical..Kempion..where have you been? “Da Murphy”…That Irish woman by marriage or blood…said a long time ago that Mother Theresa could be Obimba’s VP and she wouldn’t vote for him.
I added along the way , for my adamancy, my favorite all time woman…Joan of Arc…That theoretical is way past over…
#466 cjv
So everything was fixed.
I wonder if that was the reason Diane Fainstein didn’t go.
#467 pink puma
and #462
Listening to one of his interviews it seems he feels that the evidence is derived from Obama’s autobigraphies, then take him to the stand to confess. It seems that there is not any hard evidence. I don’t think his lawsuit will go anywhere.
Which brings another point. BO has managed to wipe out just about everything in his past. He must be hiding so much more than just we know.
Has Joe Biden been drinkin?’ looks like Joe is DRUNK
Check out the video http://countusout.wordpress.com/
#467 Pink puma I agree with you. I have had several conversations with Phil and he does not have any original documents. He is mainly basing his lawsuit on Obama’s own words in his books and an audio tape. Also, Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 on an Indonesian passport. We’ll have to wait and see what happens when the sheriff serves the defendants. From what I read in the lawsuit, the problem seems to be that when his mother married Lolo Soetero, they moved to Indonesia and lived there and Soetero adopting him. Berg claims neither Obama nor his mother re-affirmed their allegiance to the US in front of the US Consulate or some other authority. In the meanwhile, it is perfectly valid to question your SOS and demand proof of his citizenship. I don’t know if I still have the link, but the key is the chain of proof, i.e., birth records, passport, when mother left, when she came back, it’s very complicated and that’s how BO likes it. Trying to confuse the issue. No one seems to be addressing the issue of putting their SOS on notice that they are challenging his constitutional requirements to run as POTUS and, therefore, it is our job to do it.
#477 john
He always looks drunk.
Was just over on HireHeels site – catching up on the blogs – looks like Brazilenut hasn’t learned a damm thing:
‘Fae said,
on August 30th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Yes please go to St.Paul and represent all of us! We must push forward and let everyone know where we stand. Sarah Palin is a wonderful person. How lucky the Republicans are to have her.
I sent Donna Brazile a short little email explaining how sad I was over all this and the DNC. I wrote from my heart. This is her response:
Please do not send me any emails. You are not someone that will help change America. Go back to the past and email those right wing types who are just mis behavin.
I see thru you Satan!
Sent wirelessly via BlackBerry from T-Mobile. Please excuse any typos or grammatical errors.’
I seriously think this woman is demented……..just another case of woman beating upon another woman. Disagreements I can deal with – but this is just sad, sad, sad………………………………
Has Joe Biden been drinkin?’ looks like Joe is DRUNK
Check out the video http://countusout.wordpress.com/
Sarah Palin
A Republican put the first women on the Supreme Court. President Bush has five women in Cabinet-level positions.
And: http://election.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/18/opinion/main675000.shtml
I have never been ashamed of being a Republican.
cjv
i dont get it..
phil berg is a big time legal figure who was up there with the atty general of penn…
you dont get up that high without knowing what youre doing legally..
the guy seems like an exetermely intelligent man..
i dot get it why he would file a suit based on thin evidence
#473 pink puma
Sorry, but my vote this november will not be democrat.
Obama has problems with boundaries; he’s either kissing women on the mouth or putting his arm around people. Take note of him being photographed with Sarkozy or Merkel . . . his arm always ends up on their back.
Oh, interestingly, at Sarah’s funeral today, did anyone notice Obama walk past Hillary without an acknowledgement. Isn’t it amazing the things you see when BO isn’t mugging for the camera.
McCain’s campaign says he has received over 4 million dollars in contribitions since naming his VP choice.
I am torn: I support a womans right to choose, but after reading this…….. HELP everyone:
Retired Geek Location: VA
Reply # 47
Date: Aug 30, 2008 – 7:26 AM EST
Subject: Babies Crying in Terror
The ‘Born Alive’ baby who has known the closest contact with another human any human can experience – the baby has been inside another human for months.
The baby has kicked, stretched and some even suck their thumbs. Every need has been met by its human host – shelter, nourishment and safety.
Suddenly one day the baby is attacked with chemicals and poisons.
The baby enters a world bent on death and destruction towards its life.
The baby has never seen a butterfly, puppy, pretty colors or things all babies enjoy or had any human say I love you.
The baby enters the world in excruciating pain and the best trained Medical experts in the world refuse the baby any aid – in a hospital – where all facilities are available and the Doctors have sworn to protect all human life – except his.
The baby is thrown on a cold table and left to die in some hidden place.
The baby struggles to breathe because a human is born with the human will to survive. The baby cries in terror and sobs for help – that never comes – no one cares.
The innocent baby tries to live with every breath and dies alone, abandoned like a used kleenex, never having experienced anything but pain, rejection and hatred.
When the baby finally dies a death of torture and the ultimate rejection any human can receive, it is such a worthless human it doesn’t even have a ‘Death Certificate’ issued that it ever existed.
For a few minutes, hours or days, that baby WAS an American Citizen, that should have received all of the ‘Rights and Protections’ under law, that any other American Citizen should have.
Michelle and Barack Obama and most Democrats, have done everything humanly possible, to make sure this baby does NOT even receive any pain medication.
i am sorry……. this is not the thread for this discussion… shoulda thought before introducing it….. i am going… to think things over!!!
#471 sandipuma on 08.30.08 at 4:59 pm
The Kiss – Rodin will never be the same
Perhaps Precious thought at the time it was his texter blonde buddy – Scarlet Johannsen -ewwwwwwwwwww
As a followup, I e-mailed Phil Berg again demanding more info as to how to address the citizenship issue with the SOS, this is his response:
Lady Hawkke,
When a person sends a letter to any State or Government Agency, it is always best that they sign their letters. Notarizing your signature is entirely up to you as it is not a requirement on any letter you may send. The procedures of the Secretary of State and the laws surrounding them vary State to State. Whether you choose to send the letter via certified mail would be up to you. I, myself, would send the letter with a signature and return address and I would send it certified mail so I know the letter was received by the Agency and the exact date they received it. It would take a considerable amount of time to check and verify the laws for each State. As you can imagine, my office is extremely busy and this would take time to research the laws of other States. The Secretary of State in each state has a website, which will give the procedures for the individual who wishes to object to a candidate or request investigations. Have you checked the SOS website for Florida? When you ask for the laws governing Agencies, I cannot give a fast response, I must research the law for that particular State. Again, my office is extremely busy and we are working pretty much 7 days a week. Florida has a Division of Elections, that site is http://election.dos.state.fl.us/division/director.shtml When you pull the website, look to the left there is a pull down menu entitled “Opinions/Rules/Laws” If you click there, you will find a wealth of information for your State. This would be a great starting point, as you may find you have further questions.
B4 I go.. been asked to put this on the thread for 7 days… this is day 3:
hillstheone on 08.29.08 at 1:50 am
TOPIC: Caucus Fraud
Will someone please REPOST this comment every day for the next 7 days. That way newcomers can see it is REAL.
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Testimony: At our hotel yesterday a black woman delegate from Texas told us that she observed Caucus Fraud. She very matter-of-factly stated that at the request of the Obama campaign workers, the Obama votes and Hillary votes were separated into two lists. And very matter-of-factly added that this was done so that the Hillary votes could be thrown into the garbage.
goanderson, antifish, and I were all there and heard these words from the mouth of a Delegate. A delegate, I might add, who seemed not the least worried about it; Obama was just about to be crowned, after all…
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Will someone please REPOST this comment every day for the next 7 days. That way the media & any newcomers can see it is REAL.
Not that the media will do anything about it, they slept while we invaded Iraq, after all… _but_, we can always HOPE, right Obama?? We _do_ have the audacity to hope…
#480 Susie 1945 Donna GotDeals is definitely demented. Anybody who would say to the base of a party we don’t need you and we will win without you is crooked, demented, and racist. She is from here. I am sorry to say and her sorry tactics are all to familar to me , I assure you. As we say….Ain’t black, white, or inbetween, the color of greed is green!
re#486 bmw
i cant stand to think of little babies and children suffering..it drives me insane to think about it..
i have always been torn on that single issue of abortion..
maybe its me but isn’t life sacred and precious?
where am i wrong here??
#450 wallamoose
I have aslo heard comparisons to Karen from Will and grace. Would pay money to see her walk up to MO ang sya oh sweetie no. While wagging her finger at the poor choice in clothing.
#483 pink puma
I don’t get it either, although on another thread there were comments he is known to have a history of lawsuits that don’t go anywhere. That part I do not know for sure.
Perhaps, he feels the same desperation we do in revealing who BO really is as we do and gave it his best shot.
Okay, I’ll say it:
This blog isn’t dedicated to debating our positions on abortion and religion, two intensely personal issues. Let’s stick with our mission and primary goals.
Today’s stumps: McCain and Palin are in Washington, PA -a blue collar town with hard-working miners and such… Obama and Biden are in Dublin, OH – an eltist haven full of old money and white collar criminals.
You decided. lol
re#495 dances
ok boss ya got it..
stop obama in november..vote for mccain/palin!!!
#471 sandipuma on 08.30.08 at 4:59 pm
I saw that kiss also and it really creeped me out. It was so inappropriate. After Biden’s snide remarks about his wife being “drop dead gorgeous” and the fact that she has a doctorate in education being a “problem” for him I felt like these two guys had just violated Jill Biden. The little boys club had banded together, demeaned and humiliated her in the same way that sexual harassers everywhere are so skilled at doing. It made me sick. Not only did Biden NOT protect his wife; he participated in demeaning and diminishing her. Along with John Edwards and BO ganging up together and attacking Hillary Clinton during the debates there is a very disturbing pattern going on there.
re#498
male power over women often goes as far as a man sharing his woman with his “buddies” as a sign of male bonding.. OJ did that with nicole..he shared her with his pals.
An addition to: #438 SARTOM on 08.30.08 at 4:28 pm –
I heard Geraldine on Fox today too, but they had to cut her short & go to break today, they said they’d have her back to continue though. But last night she was interviewed on Bill O’Reilly, where she said there are basically 3 groups of Hillary voters…1) The Puma’s, who DEFINITELY won’t vote for Obama, she said. 2) The group who will (Kool-Aid drinkers! She didn’t say that part though, I’m saying it!) And 3) those who haven’t decided.
I thought it was great that today before they had to cut her short, she was starting to spell out the beef’s of us puma’s, mentioning how Howard Dean didn’t do anything about the sexism, etc. She also referenced all her letters, emails and also even phone calls she said she’d received for Puma’s. I think she could be a great spokesman for our movement because personally,…I think she’s every bit as disgusted with what happened in the primaries, etc…as all of us are! Another great thing I’ve noticed is that she refuses to say she would vote for Obama herself. I actually get the feeling she won’t be voting for him either! She may be a Puma herself, without even knowing it!
Lots of people need to be eliminated from the democratic party. I believe we are all in agreement on that. What i think we need to do now is focus. I think we should start with Kerry. He is the most precarious and because he is so busy with the annointed he will not be able to respond. We have very little time . the MA primary is in two and a half weeks. Lets show ed a little love and really let the DNC know we are a force to be reckoned with.
#446 diva2 on 08.30.08 at 4:38 pm
Given all that you described in your post, it’s no wonder the corrupt b#@t#$ds don’t want Palin or McCain to win. The gravy train may come to a crashing halt with all their sorry backsides being loaded off and carted to jail.
Murphy, watch out! Ferraro may be looking to take you place! :p
#488 Susie lol and believe me i didn’t get a chill up my leg but possibly Chris Matthews did
MURPHY,
REPOST- NANCY PELOSI IS CALLING WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AND REFERRING TO HER ” NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY –
DO YOU NEED TO RETHINK ? MAYBE
THE NEW DEMOCRATIC POPULISTS,
THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PEOPLES PARTY?
#495 Dances, I agree.
Now, can we get down to doing the letters to the SOS’s? No one seems to want to do this. This has nothing to do with the present lawsuit. Read Phil’s letter to me.
“The Kiss”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga7VGMBu3qc&NR=1
Damn creepy!
#500 Bandy
The sexism crap has already started post the Palin announcement. She could be a great spokesperson on this. I wonder if she would be willing to provide insight in how we can have even greater effect when we need to get our claws out.
Oops! In #500, I meant phone calls “from” Puma’s, not ‘for Puma’s.
#471 sandipuma
lol at least he didn’t smack her backside!
Nancy Pelosi’s $50,000 PAC LIST ?????
can somebody give me a link ?
I know about Obama’s payoffs but not hers.
How much to Florida reps and sens ??????
re#501
dont forget..the democratic party is made up of millions people who are obama kool aid drinkers who support people like kerry and the rest of the DNC members..
it would take a “civil war ” within the party to get rid of all the people PUMA despises..
such a war could result in people being harrased,intimidated or even murdered..
politics can become very ugly and violent..just look at 3rd world countries and how they practice politics
I have been receiving numerous emails and comments like this from Hillary Women all day.
“What a disgrace to HRC’s legacy to allow a women counter to HRC on all issues…to attempt to hijack Hillary’s legacy. And her comment about finishing HRC’s work only makes me want to work for Obama in Ohio.”
Yeh there are some “silly” women voters out there, that you can tell the only reason that they voted for Hillary was because she was a woman and Hillary, and not for the issues and solutions she provided.
And to all these women that say Palin is “HIJACKING HILLARY’S LEGACY”…..Hillary already was forming her legacy before Palin was out of diapers and a strong legacy as a Democratic woman of integrity, change, and reform before Palin was even in college…..Palin can not take away anything from Hillary of her legacy by being the Republic VP….she is forming her own legacy thanks to the efforts of Hillary all these years. So to be angry with another strong woman is like saying that Thomas Jefferson took away Geo. Washington’s legacy. So I ask, are you really for EQUALITY for all or just for a few select persons? This is not the Hillary way nor mine…it is about equality of capability and qualifications…not about gender, the color of a persons skin, ancestral background, age, or any thing else…it is about being blind to all these and promoting and voting for the person most qualified! I love Hillary and have known her since 1991 and will vote for her and help her any way I can, but not to the exclusion of equality for others also. I find it VERY disturbing that “these” women are doing the same thing to Palin as has been acused of others doing to Hillary!
Ever considered that Ferraro maybe Hilary’s voice now that she cannot openly support PUMA. Geraldine was on fox midday yesterday and mentioned PUMAs and the over three hundred letters she got, she did it on O’Reilly last night, and as someone mentioned she did it today.
#513 GBPuma
Great comments! It’s the need to applaud all women who break the barriers and develop great legacies for themselves.
#499 pink puma on 08.30.08 at 5:20 pm
re#498
“male power over women often goes as far as a man sharing his woman with his “buddies” as a sign of male bonding.. OJ did that with nicole..he shared her with his pals.”
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It just gets sicker and sicker.
All the unjustified accusations of racism against BO by the “old white guys” in Congress and in the media really seems more of a mask for their own latent racism. With their bulging, uncontainable misogyny they’re not so good at pretending; nor do they feel they have to. They goad each other on like a bunch of street corner thugs. It’s open season on women. They’re so delusional they actually believe they’re not misogynistic sleaseballs and are genuinely shocked when they’re called on it.
#490 BMW60 Has anyone considered forwarding the post to Greta or Ferraro?
#508 cjv
I’m guessing she would!
Hey, does anyone know if she has a website? (Ferraro)
I searched for one last month, but couldn’t fine one. PLEASE someone, post it if she does. I’d be curious to check it out!
And no, I don’t think Murphy would be out of a job, if Ferraro spoke for us. (I know that was just a joke!… Kempion #503). But I actually think Ferraro may be more effective as a behind the scenes speaker, for right now at least. That may carry even more clout at present, with her former role on the Dem. ticket, etc.
Hillary ,if your lifelong obsession is to be president of the USA will you do anything and everything to achieve that goal and does that include throwing your supporters “under the bus”..???
The message for a new movement and “hope” and change perhaps starts with the “Kiss”.
Is it any coincidence that they are towing the foreign policy shotcoming on Palin (with a lot of traditions abroad in troubled nations where kissing is cultural greeting), is it because “they can Kiss and tell”, whereas on the other side of the spectrum it is rather “tell and kiss”.
Sorry, I am digressing!
MODERATOR – post #514 OFFENSIVE from zombie for truth.
Nancy Pelosi is right: This is a new democratic party, the old one was taken over by a monster parasite called the Obama-Pelosi-Dean-Brazille-Kennedy coalition. This is not our parents’ party, it has morphed into something I don’t recognize.
Maybe we should call our new party the Progressive Union ? of America. Can’t think of a M word at this point.
#513 GBPuma on 08.30.08 at 5:28 pm — That was EXCELLENT RESPONSE!!!
For anyone interested on http://rezkorama.com there is a link to a web site that states there is a bc for OB from Mombasa Maternity Hospital in Kenya. I will see if I can find it. I don’t remember if Berg is involved or not. bbl
henerietta..nahh progressive sounds too 19th century and socialistic
MURPHY; PLEASE GET ZOMBIE FOR TRUTH OFF OF HERE
NOW! pOST 514 IS OUTRAGEOUS…
#527 NewOrleansPuma
Thanks for the support on removing post #514 Zombie for truth.
Can we recruit Geralding F. to be a mentor, or maybe one of our first candidates for something?
Also what about Minesota Governor, that wrestler guy? He might be willing to do so work with us, cause he likes to fight the sytem.
Then there is Joe Liberman, is he interested?
Good grief, there are many people out there who are disgusted with Pelosi’s new party!
Post Attempt 36 – and counting
Ladyhawkke – I am sure by now you are off the post – in response to your SOS – why don’t you give the information to the Rep so that they can contact their SOS especially the Republicans – its for their own benefit that he is not placed on the ballot – let them help you with that effort -
Same goes with the poster above about being screwed with voting in OHIO – Reps should know this – they really should have something set up to prevent fraud – we feel for it with the caucus – they should be forewarned – ok – lets see if it will post this time around.
#519 Bandy
I don’t think there is a website, but we do have her addy. Actually it was on one of our prowls. I wonder if Murphy supports this idea…MURPHY? U there?
re#529
what about HILLARY??
#512
that is exactly why i say focus. We cannot bring them all down at the same time, but if we can get that lurch looking loser(Kerry) it would be a start. I like O’reilley and he would rep the people of MA and not his own position in DC. Sending him a donation this evening.
Okay – just heard on another anti-precious blog that over on the Cheetos site – get ready for this & I hope you haven’t just eaten:
‘Over at the orange cheeto obot is taking polls whether to make up a story that Palin’s baby is actually her daughters’. Most denizens, about 2000+ say “Yes, the future of the world is at stake, nothing’s off the table”
What in the hell is happening to this country? Are honesty, integrity & morality just words in the dictionary between G & N? This just makes me so angry – and not only because there are stupid people out there who will believe this no matter if there were priests checking to make sure the future queen was a virgin (and we all know how accurate that was). This is completely uncalled for………………………….
#511 Kelligesq on 08.30.08 at 5:27 pm Nancy Pelosi’s $50,000 PAC LIST ?????
can somebody give me a link ?
I know about Obama’s payoffs but not hers.
How much to Florida reps and sens ??????
_____________________________________________
Obama paid:
$11,500 Carol Shea Porter NH
$12,500 Rep Baron Hill IN
$4,200 Sen Jeff Bingaman NH
$11,000 Ron Klein Fl
$9,000 Sen Frank Lautenberg NJ
$7,500 Rep Joe Donnelly IN
$5,000 Re. Gerald McNerney CA
$10,000 Rep.Jason Altmire PA
$5,000 Niki Tsongas MA
$4,000 Rep. Dennis Cardoza
$9,000 Rep Gabrielle Giffords AZ
$4,000 Rep. Jim Costa
$7,500 Rep. Zack Space OH
$7,000 Rep. Charles Wilson OH
$5,000 Sen Jay Rockefeller WV
Pelosi paid
$2,500 John Adler NJ
$10,000 Jason Altmire PA
$10,000 Andre Carson IN
$10,000 Joe Donnelly IN
$10,000 Gabrielle Giffords AZ
$10,000 Baron Hill IN
$10,000 Ron Klein FL
$10,000 Tim Mahoney FL
$10,000 Harry Mitchell AZ
$10,000 Patrick Murphy AZ
$10,000 Joe Sestack PA
$10,000 Carol Shea Porter NH
$10,000 Zach Space OH
$10,000 Niki Tsongas MA
$7,500 Nick Lampson”
Maybe we could sue the Democrats for abusing the name Democratic Party? LOL
I hope you all will read my previous posts today. One major issue that women have been allowing Democrats and men to rule with is abortion; as in, the abortion issue=the women’s vote. With everything I have seen and heard on this site over the last 3 months, I know that is not so. It will not matter who is elected, there are too many strong and passionate women in this country to allow ANY rights to be usurped.
#515 axapuma on 08.30.08 at 5:30 pm — Very true!! Ferraro may be Hillary’s voice now, behind the scenes. So that actually would fit right in with what I said in #519 about her speaking for us behind-the-scenes. Well, actually she’s already doing that (all the times you & I both referenced…where she’s mentioned Puma’s on Fox). But maybe we could officially enlist her to help us.
MURPHY – MAMA – SOMEBODY, anybody
please remove post #514 Zombie for truth
OFFENSIVE – OFFENSIVE
I do not know if HILLARY has thrown us under the bus
I am waiting for sings , and not merely smoke sings. and then I would make a decision
I am particularly worry with elections frau
the thugs are going to do the same thing that it was done in the primaries
they are in for a large vote frau
I do not know if the republicans will be just onlookers
I’d love to have Hillary, but she has been forced to cast her lot with Pelosi’s party. I don’t think she would be interested until she gets her hands on the Majority Leader’s spot. If she is passed over for that, she might just come on over…………………..
The GE is 9 weeks away!
We all know that caucus and delegate fraud took place. However, BO’s campaign is fanned out across the country trying to game and cheat in the November election. I would like to see our time and energy used to counter and defeat this corruption once and for all.
Once he’s in, it’s a whole new ballgame. Impeachment is very long and arduous process.
I hate to mention my phone conversation with Geraldine Ferraro again but there were things she said that I didn’t want to say before Puma’s went to Denver.
I didn’t want to be the bearer of bad news and it was difficult not to spill the beans on the blog.
I knew that things have been in place when GF answered, NO, Hillary will not get the 300 Delegate votes and NO she will not be nominated and NO she will not be VP. Very very final in the way that she said it.
She and Hillary are long time friends so I think if there is something to be done, we may want to consider her.
But I have to tell you, that I had to make an appointment just to have a phone call with her. When I got the appointment, I wanted to blog to ask you folks what questions I should ask, but I could not get online – gave up after wasting an hour.
I told her that I am just a no body private citizen Hillary supporter that blogs occasionally on PUMA.
She mentioned that she received hundreds of mail from
supporters and she was going to mention it on Fox (which she did). She said Fox was the only station that stood up for Hillary.
On Fox, she did say that she is undecided who to vote for. I gut tells me she will not vote for her corrupt nominee. She is not the type of person afraid to do what is right.
GF already knows who I am (I send her special things) so if you all think there is a message for her or questions, I will see if I can’t sneak it in at the next opportunity. She said she was going to write me a thank you note but I beat her to it… perhaps she may answer us – who knows. I for one, don’t have any questions for her at this time.
#538 Bandy
Remember how HRC was forced to remove her from the campaign as XO call out on one of Geraldine’s remarks as racist? Another sham, what a sham…..
I am sure she is still fuming what XO did.
susie1945
look what they did to hillary with that “bros befo ho’s” and “Hillary da bitch”..its not surprising they’re trying to destroy palin..
Susie1945
BO will do or say anything to get elected. If they are running their campaign this way, what type of administration will he bring in? We all know the answer.
I am going to write to Geraldine F. before I leave for KY. I am going to ask her to join us in our efforts to clean up the politics in our country. She is a sassy lady with lots of spunk. I think she would have a lot of fun helping us.
One other person we should try hard to recruit is J. Carville. He wore those highly visible PUMA sneakers all through the convention, I hear over his wife’s objections. Nobody else on the CNN pundit circle had sneakers on.
The big fish is really Bill Clinton. I hope he will at least acknowledge us as one of his support groups.
#530 Gogandalf The repubs already know about this, that is probably their October surprise. Maybe I’m naive but I think if he is knocked off the ballot now, we can have our Hillary back. Maybe then the DNC would see how wrong they were.
530 Gogandalf – And continue to contact every possible one at Ohio to be forewarned and prepared to counter
#547 Henerietta
I heard about those pUMA sneakers. Is there a picture of these?
531 cjv on 08.30.08 at 5:46 pm — Thanks, I have the address from the prowl. Someone blogging last night mentioned her having a site, but they didn’t list it. I’ll have to look back to see who that was.
Also…Murphy, let us know what you know!
#534 Susie1945 on 08.30.08 at 5:47 pm
Sounds like classic Communistic Saul Alinsky tactics. Nothing’s off the table. Anything goes. The end justifies the means. The goal is so important; morality, integrity, etc., have no place. He’s trained his followers well. I wonder if they went to one of volunteer “training camps.” No coincidence that Alinsky was one of Obama’s strongest early influences and came in very handy when he was a “community organizer” on the South Side of Chicago.
My post above was in reference to Hillary’s delegate count. As someone above blog stated, at the convention, she did not get the necessary delegate votes. How could she continue ? What reason would she have to hold on to her delegates ?
So, to the folks who are dissappointed at her for releasing her delegates, I think we do not know all the details so lets not fault her. The Clintons are more savvy about politics than all of us PUMA’s put together so I think they know that at the end of the day, in order for their political careers to survive, they had to do the only thing the could. And that is to look unified.
It was the Nancy Pelosi THREAT OF POLITICAL ISOLATION that is/was the cause of many delegates voting for Obama.
The worst thing that can happen to a politician in Congress is Political Isolation…which is that NONE of their bills would ever make it out of committee and be buried forever and they would basically be no good to their constituents at all, that they might as well stay locked away in their offices, because they would not be able to do ANYTHING, and anything they try to accomplish would be blocked…..so for many it ewas to bite the bullet on this one to have a chance at accomplishing something in the future……….
There are only 3 real main culprits/criminals in this affair and they are #1- Nancy Pelosi…#2-Obama…#3 Howard Dean……and these are the MAIN ones to be eliminated!
this D & SD they are cheap
they are selling their soul to the devil
for an airplane flight
even more for an airplane flight they are being part of
the complicity of frau in all its faces, and a possible quake of democracy
#548 ladyhawkke
Wouldn’t it be great if he were to be knocked off now? If there is an October surprise, it would be no sooner as we all know Hillary on the ticket any sooner would mean a loss for McCain. And, of course, they don’t want that.
I sent Ms. Ferraro a note today – snail mail.
I had heard her say she was pleased when Gov. Palin mentioned her run for vp as a first for women. She said no one had ever said that before.
I told her I had remembered when she ran for vp and that I was proud of her representation for women.
Perhaps others should write her.
Photo of Carville Wearing Pumas! lol
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/27/carville-wears-pumas-off_n_121782.html
#514, IS VERY OFFENSIVE, Is anyone paying attention…Let’s get it off of here!
#558 kat in your hat
lol! That’s great! Thanks!
#553 freddiebrown
I agree with you 100%
#9 Henerietta and #10 Hillgirl
Just starting to read through the posts… and already stuck at only #9 and #10 cause I had to stop to give kudos to these two posts.
I love and adore Murphy but was a little concerned yesterday with her concern and talk of fracturing into a new party in order to preserve the Democratic party that we love. I would like to respond with making a few points.
First: There always has been only two major parties and attempts to make an equally strong third party has historically failed.
Second: I think at heart we all love our core Democratic principles and moving towards the Republican ticket this year does not mean we’re abandoning those core beliefs. We haven’t changed. We’re merely protesting the Dem. Party corruption as we should. I realize that Murphy also realizes this — but I still think it’s worth saying again.
Third: A point that was touched on in post #10 — is that as a result of what has transpired in this election year, I’ve become more informed about the political process than I had ever been before. And the BIGGEST and MOST IMPORTANT lesson I’ve learned this year is that the Republicans aren’t necessarily the BIG BAD WOLF GUYS that we’ve been made to believe in previous election years.
Just like the Roe v. Wade fears that the Dems have used as a whip to keep us in line — they’ve also used the whip of fear that Republicans are monsters. What I’ve learned is that monsters can exist in both camps. Yes Bush is a monster — but Obama is our monster.
Just as it’s true that we should judge all people on their merits as people and not with prejudices of funneling them into a group — just as it’s true that we abhor racism or sexism or any other ism — we should also abhor Republicanism defined as the “fear of Republicans by the mere nature of that label.” Does that explanation make sense?
Yes it’s true that the Republican platform has many ideals that are at odds with the core Democratic platform (that we hold dear to our hearts). But I never thought I would enjoy watching Fox as much as I do and have discovered I find Hannity (the Rep) more fair and reasonable than Colmes (the Dem). I find that at the core — we’re all people trying to do the right thing. For that reason — we need to keep an open mind — which after all is the ONE thing we pride ourselves the most on as Democrats — our OPEN MIND policies. So let’s help put a stop to rhetoric that demonizes the Republican party.
Does all of what I’ve said mean that I want to embrace Republicans? Absolutely not — but I do want to listen to what the Republicans have to say because they’ve offered more compassion to us than our own party leaders.
I admire McCain’s choice. As mentioned in the Politically Drunk article — this choice does have it’s share of risk and was an extremely courageous one. I think McCain (with or without realizing it) has set the Republican party on the path of reform as well (similar to the goals that we seek for the Democratic Party).
I think Palin with her record for cleaning up corruption will do an outstanding job as VP — or even as that “heartbeat away from President” claim of the Obamabots. She will give the likes of Dean, Pelosi, and Obama a run for their money as well as a run for cover. She will be a force for true change (not faux Obama change) away from the corruption of the Bush administration.
I’m excited about this ticket as an alternative to the failed attempts to get our Hillary. I think the Republican Party may evolve into something great before our own eyes… and hopefully be a role model for the Democratic Party good ole’ boys club. Has anyone thought about the possibility that Palin may be the catalyst we need for the change in our own party? After all … this country is a capitalistic based country that has always responded well to competition. Palin provides the competition and raises the bar for the Democratic Party to react to. When Obama fails — I think we will see true change that will be miraculous across the board in both parties.
I think the role of the PUMA’s is to do our part (as always planned) to assure NO OBAMA — and clean out the players that participated in the corruption of his ticket. From there — we need to have a strong voice in shaping the Party and guiding it back to the principles that attracted us to the platform from the beginning.
Sorry for the long post.
#554 GBPuma on 08.30.08 at 6:01 pm
“There are only 3 real main culprits/criminals in this affair and they are #1- Nancy Pelosi…#2-Obama…#3 Howard Dean……and these are the MAIN ones to be eliminated!
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Which is another reason why Nancy has to be defeated. At the very least, she needs to lose her Speakership.
OFFENSIVE POST – OFFENSIVE POST – OFFENSIVE POST
Remove Post #514 Zombie for Truth
The press people lurking would have a field day with this post.
Belated better late than never shout out to MURPHY ~ *YOU * BE’S * WONDERFUL!!!
#554 GB PUMA What I admire about Schwartzennegar is that whenever he wanted to get something done and the congress wouldn’t go along, he would go before the public and tell them what was going on and he would eventually get his way. . That’s what I think is wrong with our leaders, they have no guts. When is someone going to stand up for what is right? They are all wimps as far as I’m concerned.
#553 freddiebrown…I agree too
Talking about PUMA sneakers… I have a REALLY super cool pair… It is by Shanghai Tang – a Hong Kong brand that I bought while at the airport in Hong Kong..
It has wild Fuschia and Green print – with a huge green PUMA on the side… and a tiny pink “puma” on the back.
I get tons of compliments as it is a statement sneaker – cost a huge bundle but would love to make our own version…
Why is PUMA allowing its name to be screwed up?
“People United My Ass?” Ferraro even used that phrase.
#532 pink puma on 08.30.08 at 5:46 pm re#529
what about HILLARY??
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If Hillary wanted to speak out against the party and what happened, she NEVER would’ve given her support to BO. Nor would Bill have. I don’t believe for a second that either of them really want BO to win of course! But she obviously chose to keep on good-terms with the party because she wants their support for 2012.
repost
good palin interview on drilling in anwar
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=836304396&play=1
I don’t know the validity of this but here is the web site on rezkorama.com on the bc – dated 8/29/08 – Colecurtis – The Mccain Monitor. http://colecurtis-colecurtis.blogspot.com/2008/08/barack-obama-is-not-us-citizen.html. Go there and click on heading.
This is what Moveon.org is sending out to all their members today. I got it from an obamaite who drank the koolaid long ago. Just so we are aware.
Heneri
Yesterday was John McCain’s 72nd birthday. If elected, he’d be the oldest president ever inaugurated. And after months of slamming Barack Obama for “inexperience,” here’s who John McCain has chosen to be one heartbeat away from the presidency: a right-wing religious conservative with no foreign policy experience, who until recently was mayor of a town of 9,000 people.
Huh?
Who is Sarah Palin? Here’s some basic background:
She was elected Alaska’s governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience.1
Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.2
She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. 3
Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.4
She’s doesn’t think humans are the cause of climate change.5
She’s solidly in line with John McCain’s “Big Oil first” energy policy. She’s pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won’t be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.6
How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.7
This is information the American people need to see. Please take a moment to forward this email to your friends and family.
We also asked Alaska MoveOn members what the rest of us should know about their governor. The response was striking. Here’s a sample:
She is really just a mayor from a small town outside Anchorage who has been a governor for only 1.5 years, and has ZERO national and international experience. I shudder to think that she could be the person taking that 3AM call on the White House hotline, and the one who could potentially be charged with leading the US in the volatile international scene that exists today. —Rose M., Fairbanks, AK
She is VERY, VERY conservative, and far from perfect. She’s a hunter and fisherwoman, but votes against the environment again and again. She ran on ethics reform, but is currently under investigation for several charges involving hiring and firing of state officials. She has NO experience beyond Alaska. —Christine B., Denali Park, AK
As an Alaskan and a feminist, I am beyond words at this announcement. Palin is not a feminist, and she is not the reformer she claims to be. —Karen L., Anchorage, AK
Alaskans, collectively, are just as stunned as the rest of the nation. She is doing well running our State, but is totally inexperienced on the national level, and very much unequipped to run the nation, if it came to that. She is as far right as one can get, which has already been communicated on the news. In our office of thirty employees (dems, republicans, and nonpartisans), not one person feels she is ready for the V.P. position.—Sherry C., Anchorage, AK
She’s vehemently anti-choice and doesn’t care about protecting our natural resources, even though she has worked as a fisherman. McCain chose her to pick up the Hillary voters, but Palin is no Hillary. —Marina L., Juneau, AK
I think she’s far too inexperienced to be in this position. I’m all for a woman in the White House, but not one who hasn’t done anything to deserve it. There are far many other women who have worked their way up and have much more experience that would have been better choices. This is a patronizing decision on John McCain’s part- and insulting to females everywhere that he would assume he’ll get our vote by putting “A Woman” in that position.—Jennifer M., Anchorage, AK
So Governor Palin is a staunch anti-choice religious conservative. She’s a global warming denier who shares John McCain’s commitment to Big Oil. And she’s dramatically inexperienced.
In picking Sarah Palin, John McCain has made the religious right very happy. And he’s made a very dangerous decision for our country.
In the next few days, many Americans will be wondering what McCain’s vice-presidential choice means. Please pass this information along to your friends and family.
Thanks for all you do.
–Ilyse, Noah, Justin, Karin and the rest of the team
Mort Kondracke on Fox’s “Beltway Boys” now going out of his mind arguing against Sarah Palin. He’s spouting off like a hysterical lunatic, he’s so stressed out and nervous talking about a “strong woman” being VP. It’s insane: the frenzy and agitation you hear in their voices, he’s practically frothing at the mouth, with just the thought of a woman being VP. Attacked her on her qualifications, vociferously, while never to my knowledge ever voicing the least little concern about BO.
Wow. All these strong women emerging in politics these days is really shaking up the old boys club. They’re losing it.
Expect the prescriptions for Prozac and Wellbutin on the beltway to sky rocket.
freddie, I also agree with you 100%
Hey -I genrally avoid wearing a Nike (for sweat shop ethics etc) or any brand really for that matter. But I am going to reward myself with Puma stuff this weekend and will go around in it until all is over.
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I AM CONFUSED after reading the last 2 days postings.
Has Puma gone soft on Nobama, and are we going to be the next “another one bite the dust?”
It seems racism is a big issue to AA, and any perceived racist comments cause uproar in AA communities. Yet it seems some Puma were so outrage with sexism towards Senator Clinton, and now not sure if the last few months of horrible sexism towards her is such a bigger deal (compares to single issues), so taking a back seat.
I believe this is still a contest is it not? The AA community want their fist AA president, and so AA Repubs are crossing over to Dems this year (albeit they don’t agree or don’t care about his issues at all).
I thought Puma was about Nobama, and we are in it to win it too, and that is to defeat BO. I know some issues are important to some Pumas, but the overall picture is that not voting for McCain top ticket this year will not defeat BO. It is a protest vote only.
I know it is difficult for some to vote McCain, and don’t have to ofcourse, YOU OWN YOUR VOTE. But for those Pumas that are very willing to vote for McCain (a protest vote), then let them. I question new posters that comes in and all they do is question others, and engage in heated debates.
WRITE THE BELTWAY BOYS ON FOX NOW!!!!
Mort Kondracke IS SAYING HILLARY WOMEN WILL NOT FOR SINCE PALIN IS ON THE TICKET BECAUSE SHE IS PROLIFE!!!
LET HIM KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT SCARED OF THIS AND WE WILL SUPPORT THE McCAIN/PALIN TICKET FOR THOSE THAT ARE VOTING FOR McCAIN!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/cgi-bin/email.cgi?829565019
102 greenfun on 08.30.08 at 12:22 pm
Simofish made a nice video tribute to HRC of the 18 million voices march in Denver. Be sure to read the comments at the end of the video. She sums it up so nicely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n7TjVU7XGk
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Awesome! Great to see your face and you walking with out lady.
By the way- please send me the link to your JayLow posts at HuffPo so I can enjoy your great humor.
Hey -I always avoid wearing a Nike (for sweat shop ethics etc) or any brand really for that matter. But I am going to reward myself with PUMA stuff this weekend, shopping for it and will go around in it until all is over.
#574 – yeah those prescriptions along with the Viagra should be rocketing right up the pike – drug companies are probably jumping up & down right about now
#578
SORRY FOR TYPE O~
WRITE THE BELTWAY BOYS ON FOX NOW!!!!
Mort Kondracke IS SAYING HILLARY WOMEN WILL NOT VOTE FOR McCAIN SINCE PALIN IS ON THE TICKET BECAUSE SHE IS PROLIFE!!!
SAYING THAT THEY WILL NEVER GET US TO COME OVER TO THAT SIDE
LET HIM KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT SCARED OF THIS AND WE WILL SUPPORT THE McCAIN/PALIN TICKET FOR THOSE THAT ARE VOTING FOR McCAIN!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/cgi-bin/email.cgi?829565019
#578 SouthJerseyPUMA on 08.30.08 at 6:13 pm
GREAT IDEA SJP!!!
I was watching it too, just as outraged as you.
Sorry everyone to intrude on ongoing discussions, but are any of my fellow deep south Louisianians here? How are you doing? Want to make sure everyone is okay.
You may now return to your regularly scheduled blog.
Henrietta,
agreed, my thoughts many times…this is no democratic party I have ever known – totally disconnected from the people.
PLEASE – NOT PROGRESSIVE ANYTHING – that’s du and the obaminations – I have never understood what “progressive” stands for. Used to be the party of the liberals – until Rush Limbo made it a dirty word – now obaminations have made progressive a filthy word.
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#523 Henerietta on 08.30.08 at 5:40 pm Nancy Pelosi is right: This is a new democratic party, the old one was taken over by a monster parasite called the Obama-Pelosi-Dean-Brazille-Kennedy coalition. This is not our parents’ party, it has morphed into something I don’t recognize.
Maybe we should call our new party the Progressive Union ? of America. Can’t think of a M word at this point.
On a lighter note…
Check out this puma sneaker that I have…maybe we can pool our money together and get Murphy one ??
It will be a surprise for her… I don’t think she reads every single post…
I don’t know how much it cost in US but I paid US$280 for it – ouch double ouch.
http://www.sneakerfiles.com/2007/11/06/puma-lena-shanghai-tang-list/
TO ALL PUMAS whom I love…
WE MUST VOTE McCAIN if our votes are to count. A protest vote only counts if you ACHIEVE SOMETHING WITH IT…
PLEASE join with me I have never been so confident that we can defeat the evil in the DNC and put Hillary in the white house in 2012….When McCain chose Palin it was CLEAR!!!
Do not waste your votes, do not stay at home, vote for Hillary by voting for McCain…sounds weird, but it is the truth!!
Have a wonderful labor day weekend!!
I’m sorry but they are wrong. My vote is mine and it is for Mccain/Palin in protest. Also, #573 Henerietta, I read that somewhere on another website today and am totally outraged. Just somemore BO and Soros bs.
SJP,
What is Kondrache’s email address? What do I put in the “email address of recipient” box on the Webform?
Sorry, I got a little behind on reading the posts…
#543 freddiebrown on 08.30.08 at 5:52 pm —
VERY interesting! Thanks SO MUCH for sharing! I think we probably need Murphy to weigh in on this. (Maybe more has already been posted that I haven’t read yet).
But thanks again! It’s great to know that we have a line to her, so to speak.
#578 Fox link not working
HEY ALL~ I HAVE FOUND A NEW PUMA TO HELP ME DO SOME DAMAGE CONTROL IN MY AREA!! HE WORKS WITH POPPOP AND WAS SO EXCITED THAT I WENT TO DENVER FOR HILLARY~ I WILL TRY TO GET HIM ON THE BLOG AS SOON AS I TALK TO HIM~ I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW I CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE HERE IN THE SHORE AREA TO GET PEOPLE FOR MC CAIN AS THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO KEEP 61 OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE!!! I AM EXCITED TO HAVE SOMEONE TO PAL WITH ON THE NObama ISSUE!!!
#586 freddiebrown – cute sneaker – but I absolutely loathe pink & its variations – and for $280 I want Manolo Blaniks or Jimmy Choo – sorry
that said, there are some PUMA sneakers on amazon for $60.00 – that I can afford for sneakers…………….
SOMEBODY E-MAIL MURPHY, MAMA OR THE MODERATOR
POST #514 zombiefortruth – EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE.
back later for blog radio show………………………….
WRITE THE BELTWAY BOYS ON FOX NOW!!!!
NEW LINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mort Kondracke IS SAYING HILLARY WOMEN WILL NOT VOTE FOR McCAIN SINCE PALIN IS ON THE TICKET BECAUSE SHE IS PROLIFE!!!
SAYING THAT THEY WILL NEVER GET US TO COME OVER TO THAT SIDE
LET HIM KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT SCARED OF THIS AND WE WILL SUPPORT THE McCAIN/PALIN TICKET FOR THOSE THAT ARE VOTING FOR McCAIN!!!
NEW LINK BELOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,1255,00.html
Did someone say manolo blahnik??
Your speaking my language now! LOL
freddiebrown, I will go in on sneakers if others will. You have my e-mail address just let me know.
zombiefortruth
YOUR TIME HERE IS NOT FAR AWAY FROM BEING PUT IN THE DUNGEON!!!!!!!!!!!
LMOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#200 Larry rules on 08.30.08 at 1:40 pm
OHIO IS SCREWED—WE ARE SCREWED
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Thanks for posting this and please email it to MamaPuma to add to the list of things for the New Democratic Party, ‘Exposure of voting fraud and potential voting loop-holes in the general election” These need to be on the list of future prowls before November.
MamaPumaMass@aol.com
#593 Susie1945 –
Manolo’s and Choo’s cost like 3 or 4 times more.. but we should do something nice for Murph – now that there is a bit of time to take a breather… Flowers to her and cookies to her family for putting up with PUMA stuff.
Great to see my Denver buddies are on the blog, two paws up to you.
I had dropped off my Hillary yard sign to the local McCain office to see if they could use it. They called me today to meet with them about heading up a Hillary for McCain group. Anyway they had put the Hillary sign up in the office, Welcoming Hillary supporters!
#201 halligan on 08.30.08 at 1:40 pm
Love and hugs to all PUMAs who went to Denver. You exceeded the expectations and gave us at home something to be proud of during the convention.
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We were happy to represent all of you at home and knowing you were there for US gave us the strength to carry on in that sea of bots.
Goodbye zombiefortruth,
It was nice knowing you.
momma has been alerted
paws up billie jo
Thank you SouthJerseyPUMA
Thank you Momma
#599 hillfan4mccain
You are terrific! Hug
#599 hillfan4mccain
Awsome!!!!!!!!!!
How we know McCain/Palin will win:
I don’t remember the last time I had as much fun as I did yesterday, flipping between MSNBC, CNN & FOX as the Palin announcement was leaking out.
Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC looked like she was going to start stabbing anyone on that set who said anything even remotely supportive of Palin.
The new washington bureau chief on MSNBC was visibly trembling and his voice was shaking; he looked terrified.
David Gergen on CNN was so angry he was talking faster than his mouth could keep up with.
Cut to every Republican pundit, especially on Larry King Live, and they could not stop grinning and were soooo calm and relaxed and happy while the dem pundits were shaking and spitting out insults against Sarah so fast they weren’t even making sense! A Repub pollster laughed so hard and said, “hey guys, you need to get your message in line – she can’t be more of the same old washington/bush politics and simultaneously have zero experience or credentials.”
Hillfan,
I was thinking of doing the same thing…dropping by
the GOP office to see what they have going -
“Hillary Voters for McCain-Palin”
is my suggestion
Hi Folks ….just stopping in to catch up………..
3rd Try!
SouthJerseyPuma
Thank you for the link to the Fox news show. I heard Mort’s comments and I agree with you.
Another? What is the use of defeating Pelosi and other delegates if BO gets in? We need to start at the top of the ticket. None of us really know what he really believes in. This is why his candidacy is so scary.
583 jenniforhillary
YOU ARE SO VERY VERY RIGHT. WE HAVE TO VOTE. REMEMBER EVERY ONE OUR MAIN GOAL IS TO DEFEAT OBAMA.
I do not get to post very often but I would like to say to MURPHY..THANK YOU!!!! Thanks to you millions of us have found our voices, it doesn’t matter if we blog of not, we have found the courage to speak out to our coworkers, bosses et.
ALSO..as for as the Pro Life, Pro choice thing, WE ARE PUMA. we will deal with that if we have too. FIRST lets get OBAMA defeated
Take care and be careful
Hi Billiejo good to see you too.
Just what I want, an Obama/Biden coffee mug:
Trish –
Over the last week this race has been transformed.
Barack named Joe Biden as his running mate, and they accepted the Democratic nomination at our historic open convention in Denver.
Our team is complete, and our movement is growing rapidly. But now we are facing our first major challenge together.
The August financial reporting deadline is tomorrow at midnight, and we have an opportunity to show that a campaign funded by ordinary people can go toe-to-toe with the Washington lobbyists and special interests lined up behind John McCain and the Republican Party.
Make a donation of $25 or more before midnight tomorrow, and you’ll receive a first edition Obama-Biden coffee mug.
I followed a link posted here earlier and I found Kos denizens busy trying to concoct a story without proof on Palin.
have they given up? No sign that they did
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/anatomy-of-a-slander/
Who are these New Democrats?
“Yesterday, the ‘New Democrats’ didn’t even know what to do with themselves. They were utterly stunned at the fact that they had just been outplayed and outmaneuvered by the Republicans (AGAIN!) by placing the only candidate with Executive experience on both tickets, and who “just happens” to be a woman.”
http://savagepolitics.com/
hi PA Guy good you stopped in and good to see you
#609 Kelligesq
I was looking yesterday for a yard sign like that, no luck. I was able to buy a shirt and cup the said McCain Democrat. If you find a site can you post it?
Did you hear that? On FOX one of the pundits just reported that at the Republican Convention, Jon Stewart’s “The Daily Show” bought a huge billboard advertisement saying, “Welcome Rich, White Oligarchs.”
Jon Stewart is no longer funny. He’s a pathetic a$$.
Just saw the parade video – nice !
And not too shabby having Allred in your corner
#609 Kelligesq
the site i found was Zazzle.com
wow thanks sandipuma….
as a guy….sometimes i feel out of place here…..
If 18 million voters moved into the Republican Party we could change the party and its platform. We could move it to the center.
We also need to study the Republican party and find common grounds.
Bill Clinton asked.
if you have 2 candidates and one gives you what you want half the time and the other promises you everything but delivers nothing then which do you vote for.
Maybe getting half and voting Republican is not so bad. We already know Obama will give us NOTHING.
#619 BrooklynNY on 08.30.08 at 6:38 pm
Did you hear that? On FOX one of the pundits just reported that at the Republican Convention, Jon Stewart’s “The Daily Show” bought a huge billboard advertisement saying, “Welcome Rich, White Oligarchs.”
******WHAT IS OLIGARCHS ??? ****
After scanning through comments and watching news I have to say, you Dems have a BIG job trying to get control of your Dem party and some of the oblivious old men in it. They seem to have gotten addicted to spewing sexism during the primary and I think they like it. Or perhaps they think it is OK or normal?
What is this crap about “McCain must be desperate to put a woman on the ticket”?! Really? I can’t believe this stuff comes out of their mouths. And then there is Bill mayer saying Palin is a MILF (Mother I’d like to F…) Do these Democrat men completely lack a Prefrontal cortex? I mean are they even teachable? I have to say I doubt it. How are you going to keep your idiot male Dems from driving people away from the party. I mean you going to need a Saddam Hussein to accomplish the purge and even maintain civility and basic human respect. I have to tell you I think it would be easier to abandon them and let them continue on with their impotence and grousing and start fresh with a new party.
#215 diva2
Thanks for what you are posting Diva. Keep it up.
We need to collect all feedback of the hijacking of the delegates and make it public.
I think we should try to make the delegate and caucus fraud known in as many places as possible. It will not only help to reform the Democratic Party, but maybe it will put everyone on the watch for fraud this November. Where can we find the latest of the Audacity of Democracy?
#600 BillieJo
Hey girl!! Good to see you.
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Pink Puma
I wasn’t trying to be a “boss”. I just know that discussions on blogs and in chat rooms that aren’t dedicated to issues of religion or abortion, are deadender discussions/debates because both are intensely personal and most people are firm in their established positions in regard to both.
I got my Hillary mug, shirts, pins, and posters i carried from NH to Philly…………….I even got her autograph….
Sorry ….not fo sale : )
I’ll treasure them……….
here is the email for BELTWAY BOYS~
beltway@foxnews.com
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Hello Mort Kondracke~
I am a Hillary R. Clinton supporter and a member of People United Means Action/P.U.M.A.
while watching your show I heard you say that the Hillary supporters will not vote for McCain since Palin is on the ticket and so Pro-Life~ I am telling you that that does not scare us and I and many others WILL VOTE McCAIN!!!!!
Don’t underestimate us when it comes to making our voice heard by voting for McCain and NOT NObama!!!
We WILL NOT condone the corruption in the Democratic Party by Dean, Palosi, Brazile, and the stealing of caucus votes, and bullying of delegates!!!
I like Palin! She may not be a Hillary, but I trust John and Susan far more than NObama!!
McCAIN/PALIN 2008!!!
SouthJerseyPUMA, F. Dxxxxxxx
#623 We need to get a clip of Bill Clinton talking about a candidate who you only half agree with but who gets things done and a candidate who talks pretty but can’t accomplish anything who do you pick? and put it up permanently.
#624 Freddiebrown
Oligarch is a member of an Oligarchy. An Oligarchy is a government run by a select few individuals for corrupt and selfish purposes..
A little Humour:
I sent Hillary an e-mail the other day and told her Bo picked a great spot for his speech, the mile high club, cause by the time they finished his speech they’ll all be standing in a mile high pile of bullsh*t
I didn’t sign the e-mail as PUMA Democrat
599 hillfan4mccain on 08.30.08 at 6:27 pm I had dropped off my Hillary yard sign to the local McCain office to see if they could use it. They called me today to meet with them about heading up a Hillary for McCain group. Anyway they had put the Hillary sign up in the office, Welcoming Hillary supporters!
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Cool see we are respected and welcomed. The Dems told us to get lost they did not need us.
#608 hillaryrules
#625 Seattlegirl
Brilliant commentary!
MY PRIORITIES
1. WHAT IS BEST FOR AMERICA
2. KNOWLEDGE EXPERIENCE QUALIFICATIONS
3. PARTY LOYALTY
McCain * Palin 2008
OUR GOAL
BEGIN THE CLEANSING PROCESS OF THE DNC
This Party needs an enema!
PUMA votes should PROTEST with POWER….vote McCAIN and support HILLARY….
NO WASTED VOTES…NO PLAYING PRETTY…let’s beat the suckers at their own game…
VOTE FOR Hillary by Voting McCain….DEFEAT THE SCUMBAG DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP AND THOSE WHO TRASHED OUR DEAR HILLARY!!
#612 TucsonPuma
I want to just point out my position on abortion and hope others will consider it. I am pro-life who believes in the right of choice. So, I guess you can say I am both. I use to say pro-choice but I believe in both. I will fight for a woman’s right to choose forever. No one knows what it is like to be faced with what a woman is going through when having to make a choice and NO ONE has a right to tell her what to do.
GoHillaryGo – As a centrist, I would LOVE to see PUMA reform the heart and soul of the RNC.
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Yeah, Jon Stewart is a funny, funny man — http://www.indecision2008.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=183521
not
Tuscon puma
Henrietta you ROCK….I think that is a great idea and CALL THE MEDIA!!
WATCH out you creeps, we’re coming for ya…
GO GO PUMA
Murphy,
Can you please set up a reference thread for this topic re: what a vote for McCain/Palin means, what happens if you write-in a name on the ballot, who can you vote for if you are an independent. We need these type of threads. It would save alot of posts and immediate access to people who have questions?
has anyone taken the time to drop a fast email to the beltway boys yet????
From previous page
Hi Pumas!
Just got home, I am excited because now I know obama will be defeated! Mccain did a great job of robbing him of his speech glory ect, the dems theme song shold be whose sorry now!
Trish–WICKED good comment…
by the way, I was sick all week from the CONCEPT much less the discourse….
Just saw a video of Hillary giving a eulogy of Stephanie Tubbs Jones.
Hillary had a hard time speaking.
Of course, Obama practically turned his part into a stump speech. It was reported that some in attendance were in tee shirts and jeans and some started chanting “Obama” and other mourners had to tell them “shhhh”.
At the end Hillary is sitting next to Obama and looks really really terrible. Her spirit looks broken.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6_-VAmQM9A&eurl=http://news.google.com/news?rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7S
MKP
take a Hillary sign, staple it on top of McCain-Palin,
go to the local GOP office and tell them you’d like to help them and so would your buddies if they will print up signs saying ” Hillary Voters for McCain-Palin -
them take a nap and have sweet dreams of Donna Brazile and Nanceeeee having anyeurisms when they see the signs on MSM – (oooo how mean of me.)
But I think they can probably take credit for causing the high blood pressure and anger that finally caused
Rep. Tubbs-Jones anyeurism to burst.
The dems sent out a video of obamas speech, I did not look at it , changed the subject line to no way no how obama, then incase they open it I put we welcome John and Sara.
MKP, go to cafepress.com. You will find all kinds of Mccain things. I ordered a button The background is white on top it says ” party unity my akk” in middle it has a PUMA with a donkey in its mouth and at botom says PUMA in red and blue. Lot’s of other neat stuff.
Did you see this…its hillarious
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=183509&title=Barack-Obama:-He-Completes-Us
Bill Maher is an equal opportunity criticizer.
He also said:
“I think Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann are gushing so much over Obama, they must be ready to have sex with him”
My speculation is that one of the “negotiated” items between Senator Clinton and nobo is that he agreed to sign a bill for Universal Healthcare. It seems that on the Fox tickers after Senator Clinton says to support nobo, it then says how she is “looking forward to him signing a bill for Universal Healthcare.” I hope she at least got something outta the DNC and has it on paper with a paper trail.
Just sent my e-mail to beltway boys.
Hey did anyone see McCain / Palin in Pa just now they are the reform party– Actually they are dong a good job of focusing on Palin the reformer. McCain seem peppy again. No Obama
People’s Exclusive Interview with Sarah and Todd Palin, and Cindy and John McCain, with daughter Meghan:
“John McCain & Sarah Palin on Shattering the Glass Ceiling”
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20222685_1,00.html
WRITE THE BELTWAY BOYS ON FOX NOW!!!!
NEW LINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mort Kondracke IS SAYING HILLARY WOMEN WILL NOT VOTE FOR McCAIN SINCE PALIN IS ON THE TICKET BECAUSE SHE IS PROLIFE!!!
SAYING THAT THEY WILL NEVER GET US TO COME OVER TO THAT SIDE
LET HIM KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT SCARED OF THIS AND WE WILL SUPPORT THE McCAIN/PALIN TICKET FOR THOSE THAT ARE VOTING FOR McCAIN!!!
NEW LINK BELOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
here is the email for BELTWAY BOYS~
beltway@foxnews.com
No way. No how. Nobama. Not ever.
#625 Seattlegirl on 08.30.08 at 6:42 pm
I have to tell you I think it would be easier to abandon them and let them continue on with their impotence and grousing and start fresh with a new party.
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It would be easier but then we start with a thousand members instead of 35 million members. So it is better to fix the old party. Besides if we start a new party who is to say we will not have corruption seep in when we grow to 35 million. We need a structure that keeps corruption out of the party. The concept of one man one vote would go a long way toward keeping things more honest.
Does anyone understand how the whig party disappeared and a new party took its place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_Party_(United_States)
#636PaGuy: Oh, I think it needs far more than that;
this party needs a colon resection..chop here and reconnect there..It needs an entire replumbing .
638 diva2
I do understand where you are coming from. What I was trying to say was our job is to get Obama out, not to suddenly become advocates of all the REP beliefs. We get Obama out, keep the “good” Dems in and them if something happens that we have to fight for what we believe in we are still PUMA Democrats.
You all have a good night where ever you are. Baby is awake
Take care and be careful.
Yes, but that wont get MKP contact with the local GOP office. All politics starts locally.
You said:
#648 scathcart on 08.30.08 at 6:54 pm MKP, go to cafepress.com. You will find all kinds of Mccain things. I ordered a button The background is white on top it says ” party unity my akk” in middle it has a PUMA with a donkey in its mouth and at botom says PUMA in red and blue. Lot’s of other neat stuff.
#632 iammykittysmom on 08.30.08 at 6:46 pm
Oligarch is a member of an Oligarchy. An Oligarchy is a government run by a select few individuals for corrupt and selfish purposes..
**** Thanks for the explanation *****
SO, IS IT LIKE OBAMALIGARCHY ? I think it smells very much like it..
#608 hillaryrules, I wish I could have seen that!! Your description is wonderful and gives me great images of what I missed. Thanks
Was anyone watching fox , one guy on there (a*s) said something about how nice it is to see woman in dresses, you know Michelle and Bidens wife. They looked at him and he said you know instead of pantsuits,(sick of seeing pantsuits) they look like real woman dresses, high heels. Then Bill Hamer said Hillary wears pantsuits and he said Yea I know that’s my point (really nasty).Then Juan Williams say something but not sure what he said but I swear it said to the jerk don’t go there.(he mumbled under his breath)
#645 wontbackdown:
thanks for that link…
I saw Obamas f-ing stump speech earlier today. You can tell the difference between Hillary getting up and speaking from within her and “the nominee” getting up and delivering an “I’m the one” speech.
Do you know, i saw a video today where the media said that the Obama campaign wants the clintons to give him credit and respect for his victory. It was in regards to reported contention between Obama and Hillary or Obama’s people and Hillary’s people.
Cafepress.com also has yard signs that say I voted for Hillary my vote now goes to Mccain.
Kempion: Where are you? Unless you typed in the wrong letter, we don’t give a ….about the RNC…we are about the DNC…MCain will take care of the RNC. I think he already has begun to do so.
306 TrishfromCanada
Trish you have it right with all your points listed.
I think the blog is about 60% full of new pumas and they are going though growing pains we all have gone though over the past couple of months.
Welcome all new PUMAs and as Murphy always says, be kind to one another.
Tolls – prepare for our claws if you attack or disrespect Hillary or other PUMAs.
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My opinion of McCains VP choice and sexism.
Palin is another female the media loves to kick around just because she is a woman. Voters that are not pumas are starting to see the attacks on our lady were not because she was a Clinton, it was because she is a woman that is loved and respected.
Palin is a tough lady and has seen what Hillary has gone though and I don’t care about her religious beliefs, I am not voting this time for the best candidate, I am protesting against the corruption in the Democratic party. I want my party to stand for Hillary’s policies and integrity- period.
#659 TusconPuma
Kiss that baby for Pumas. It wasn’t personal, I am so tired of people (usually men) call pro-choice baby killers or haters. I love babies and life but I also believe in choice. I apologize, just venting to try to get eeryone to say they are pro-life (which is usually true) AND pro-choice.
Good evening
Do we have to have Obarfy at the top of the post? I am sick and tired of looking at his mug!
663~ yea!!!! fox is pissin me off today!!!
diva2 – Feel free to write-in “Kempion for President of the United States”
I’m a centrist. You can count on me. :p
#661 – Freddie Brown
Exactly like the Olibamagarchy. They always call the Republicans the “good ol’ rich white guys club”
Guess they really can’t anymore with Palin running!
Please read this by the brilliant miq2xu at Riverdaughter:
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/
EWard #635: Thank you so much for the compliment!
Since people keep mentioning the Bill Clinton quote (re: “candidate X & Y”)… and I may have been the one who originally posted about it… I’ll post again my last post about it w/the full quote.
#655 SouthJerseyPUMA
Thanks for the heads up on the Beltway Boys… I emailed them… We are focused on defeating Obama… Laser beam focus – we are not swayed by pro this, anti that. We are Anti Obama first – and good things will trickle down.
oops, I mean,
please read this by the brilliant myiq2xu at Riverdaughter:
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/
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–> WHAT BILL CLINTON SAID WEDNESDAY NIGHT:
”We all have to get behind Obama, blah, blah, blah……”
–> WHAT BILL SAID TUESDAY NIGHT (which is how he really feels):
“Suppose for example you’re a voter. And you’ve got candidate X and candidate Y.
Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don’t think that person can deliver on anything. Candidate Y disagrees with you on half the issues, but you believe that on the other half, the candidate will be able to deliver. For whom would you vote?”
==> SINCE CANDIDATE X LACKS THE EXPERIENCE & PREPAREDNESS TO EFFECTIVELY DELIVER ON HIS PROMISES…
I’ll take candidate Y… even if I don’t agree with everything!
(see: http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/bill-clinton-in-denver-again-undercuts-obama-2008-08-26.html )
#655 SouthJerseyPUMA
I sent my e-mail to our “friend” Mort. Sorry… I was ticked off hearing him spew his garbage so my e-mail was not as dignified as yours.
Mort,
Don’t assume that Hillary voters won’t vote for McCain/Palin! I am one of those who is going to vote for McCain because I know he loves this COUNTRY! He does not “hang out” with terrorists. Men like you in the media treated Hillary like dirt but guess what…this Democrat turn Independent is voting for McCain because of Palin. She’s got more cajones than you and all your cronies!
K. Brittain
#665 scathcart I couldn’t find it on that website I did see one that said My Hillary vote goes to McCain then at the bottom corner it say temporary McCainocrat, is that the one it didn’t say what you said?
SouthJerseyPuma
I just emailed my letter to Mort of the Beltway Boys.
Kelligesq, Our St Louis group have already visited the Campaign office and they were very welcoming and nice. They gave us t-shirts, bumper stickers saying democrats for Mccain and also gave me 6 VIP tickets to attend the Sunday Mccain rally in O’fallon Missouri. I will now be helping with phone banking. I also helped make up posters for the Rep. convention (they needed 400 to carry). They just love us and all know my name and call me a very dear friend. They know I am Dem.
southjersey
Hey! Some idiot on Fox just made a rude sexist comment aimed at Hillary. He said something about glad to see a woman looking like a woman and not in pants. Another commentator innocently said Hillary wore pants and he said yeah, as in that is who I meant.
#671 kempion
Will consider it after I first vote for McCain, Hillary, then you. Maybe by then you will be head of the centrist ticket!
#671 kempion
Will consider it after I first vote for McCain, Hillary, then you. Maybe by then you will be head of the centrist ticket!
#674 hillaryrules
You are welcome! It is so gratifying to read about their reaction. For months, we have had to endure their petty, tasteless, and vile attacks against the Clintons.
The Republicans and McCain knocked BO’s speech off the airwaves. Checkmate!
SeattleGirl- Bill Maher’s comment was referred to earlier and I didn’t know what it meant. I was curious, however. (MILTF) Now, that I know, I’m sorry and even more disgusted but thanks for enlightening me.
Just when I didn’t think this campaign could go any lower, it does……and I can’t wait for what’s around the corner…..ugh
I think it’s funny and even more disturbing that male Democrats are so confident that Hillary voters aren’t going to vote McCain/Palin only due to the abortion issue. The fact that the Democrats take the women vote for granted and think we are one issue voters makes me so very angry. The Democratic party needs to be destroyed and rebuilt with the few remaining noncorrupt Dems. Nobama will run this country into the ground and our national security will be obsolete while he continues his “friendly” relationship with terrorists. Washington needs to be reformed and the Dem Party has to be taken back. This Dem is voting for a maverick and a reformer…….McCain/Palin 2008.
Oh you all will really appreciate this….
So, I worked on a woman’s campaign, here. She USE to be a friend of mine.
After i put a quote in the paper the week of the last HRC victory saying that I was voting present in 2008 for President, her campaign manager talked about me at the next campaign meeting and made a public statement about how I was not invited to do anything with my friend’s campaign in the future. Well i helped anyway and only found out about the very public comment after the fact.
Well the woman won her election and was sworn into office, apparently this past week. She sent out an email to her super-supporters inviting them to her swearing in and then a party. Well i just found out from another friend of mine, that I CLEARLY did not get that email.
I guess I got deleted off this woman’s email list. Unbeliveable. I stayed up all night with her to help her do mailings. I WORKED FOR THIS WOMAN IN TENNESSEE ON ELECTION DAY which was the primary for Hillary. I did it because it was clear Hillary was going to win. I even had to stand next to this b-tch from NC who was wearing an Oprah/Obama t-shirt and had driven over from NC to get Obamite votes in Tennessee. I didn’t even get in an argument with her just so I wouldn’t cause a scene for my friend. I even had to stand next to the brother of her Republican opponent and made amicable conversation with him so that she wouldn’t get a bad name going into the general election.
I wanted so bad to be sporting HRC gear and just be HRC crazy that day and instead I put all of that aside for my friend who was in a tight tight primary against old guard Dems who had treated her like crap. (TALK ABOUT UNITY) NOW, 6 months later and over 200 bucks later (for a county commission race), this b-tch can’t even invite me to her swearing in because she and her campaign manager (who is the chair of the local Democracy for America group) have taken exception to a quote that I put in the paper saying I was voting present (or in other words, actually endorsing a NASTY power mongoring CLINTON and not getting on me knees and praying and paying homoge to “the nominee” for delivering me into the light).
Now isn’t that unity for you….. Support me, give me money to my campaign but if you even question the chosen one or by god speak the name Clinton you are out!
GO TO HELL DEMS.
#633 Trish…great comment! Loved it!
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I just found out about the swear in and party that I was NOT invited to.
#667 BillieJo
Well said BillieJo, I agree with you 100%.
At this point I don’t care about who is the Republican VP.
My vote is to protest the DNC.
Slyt2, There are so many things to go to on the site but I can tell you to go to the far left and type in pumas for Mccain or change party or nobama and that should help you. The change party is real cute it say I am a democrat but may I join the republicans for a while. There should be buttons, yard signs, bumper stickers, t-shirts etc. If you cannot find I will try to help you more. At my namesdatgeemaildotcom.
Abortion
Is abortion illegal in Mexico and Canada? If you really want an abortion, you can get one. My peresonal feeling are pro-life but as a person, all I can do is tell the government to keep it’s laws off my body. I boils down to matter of womens rights.
I had a baby when I was 40 years old and we went through the down syndrome scare. The amnio test for downs syndrome has a significant abortion rate, like 1 in 200. And by the time you get the results the pregnancy is advanced. I said the heck with it all. My child is beautiful, healthy and gifted.
#664 Dem4Hillary: I forgot to link this picture of Hillary today where I think it shows her spirit is struggling – and the reality of all of this may be setting in.
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/08/hillary_rodham_clinttons_remar.html
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There are some reports going around (one on ABC) that the Obama Camp may use Hillary to come out hitting hard against Palin’s “lack of credentials.”
669 goandersen
I am with you, the less I can see his ugly face, the better.
I can’t stand him.
Biden is on CNN right now . . . lying through his teeth.
Obama is offering praise about Tubbs-Johnson ( safe to mention her now that she can’t argue with him ).
Dances and freddie – great to see you here.
The only difference between a racial remark and a sexist remark is that a racial remark can make you loose your job and a sexist remark can’t.
It is about time, some one who has been at the receiving end of a sexist remark sue them for whatever it is worth. Then and only then will sexist slurs stop.
It is called “hurting them in the pocket book”.
Which is worst, to be termed MILF or a nappy headed ho ? You nice PUMA’s tell me !
I just went to Alegre’s corner. Last time. they seem to be going over to BO… or is that sitting down and doing what they’re told. Pity
Scathcart,
What you have done is exactly what I mean – personal contact – As Murphy said (I think) an opportunity to talk your views as you socialize with them – about healthcare, education etc, and maybe “bring them more centrist.”
Wahoo – they’ve got you going to McCain rallys – wear your Hillary shirt and buttons – AND PUMA – because I’m sure they’re going to spotlight you and welcome a Hillary voter if they have TV. Please dont bring up women issues – just tell them you were shocked at the coercion of delegares to change their vote from Hillary to Obama and the corrupt nomination process of the DNC . It is no longer the democratic party of your parents or whatever …(please – not an order, just sharing my ideas) and Bon Chance !
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#682 scathcart on 08.30.08 at 7:09 pm
Kelligesq,
Our St Louis group have already visited the Campaign office and they were very welcoming and nice. They gave us t-shirts, bumper stickers saying democrats for Mccain and also gave me 6 VIP tickets to attend the Sunday Mccain rally in O’fallon Missouri. I will now be helping with phone banking. I also helped make up posters for the Rep. convention (they needed 400 to carry). They just love us and all know my name and call me a very dear friend. They know I am Dem.
#697 wontbackdown.
But won’t that cause people to think why weren’t Senator Clinton have been his VP in the first place?
This is Bush, Obama is another Bush.
Though not legally binding, the Republican National Committee (RNC) used both signed Loyalty Oaths and spoken Loyalty Pledges as a requirement to attend certain 2004 re-election campaign speeches, a possible first in U.S. election history.
During the 2004 presidential campaign, the campaign of George W. Bush routinely required all attendants at its rallies to take what some have called a “loyalty oath”. Those who refused to take the oath were not allowed to attend the rally. The “loyalty oath” was actually a pledge of endorsement. These endorsements were used during some of the campaign rallies in 2004. The Bush campaign asserted that the oath was valid because the president was conducting a partisan campaign event. Opponents countered that the oath was intrusive to individual conscience, somewhat fascist in nature and denied general public access to the president.
http://t-shirts.cafepress.com/item/hillary-supporters-for-mccain-baseball-jersey/273688292
Here is a really cool Hillary for McCain shirt then I got this bumper sticker to put on the back.
http://shop.cafepress.com/design/28400002
I am hoping with the hurricane coming in that the Republicans postpone their convention so I can wear these to the convention speech party down town.
#697 Wow that is just startling.
You know I met Stephanie Tubbs Jones just a few weeks ago. She came to our state-wide Democratic Womens meeting. I honestly didn’t know who she was. I didn’t know she was personal friends with Hillary. I’m always learning….
Despite what anyone says, I believe Bill Gwatney’s death was a political assisnation. I was in Memphis (150 miles from Little Rock) the day that happened. We were getting live coverage and then it just all went away. Damnit, if someone had gone inside Chicago Dem party and done the same thing, you know the media would be screaming about how the Clintons had put a hit out on someone.
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Dear Team Members and Friends,
We still are recuperating from the physical demands of DNCC walking and general stress and distress. I could not send from my laptop during the convention as the Hilton blocked all my email messages which were to more than two recipients. So, I posted from my BlackBerry to the blog I created for the convention; and those of you who knew to check it kept up to date. I have not updated that blog for a couple of days. But you may check it periodically from here on out for updated posts and comments. It is at: http://oliviaanne–politics.blogspot.com/
The following stream of messages was begun by Barbara, added to by Erica, I believe, and others, and was requested to be posted to the Team Hillary Kentucky Group. Please let me be clear on this topic, too: When I learned that Sarah Palin had been given the nod to join the McCain Ticket, I found a bit of remaining outrage to direct toward the Republicans. They apparently think Hillary supporters are idiots! A woman, any woman should do! Our dedication to Hillary was for what she embodied, not her body! What an incredible insult to have a woman who stands against all Hillary Clinton has fought for throughout her life to trade on Hillary’s name and on the name of Geraldine Ferraro. To the extent that De mocrats worried that any Hillary supporter easily would defect to vote for Senator John McCain has just been made ever more unlikely. So, all supporters of Senator Obama should breathe a sigh of relief and say a prayer of thanks to the fools who advised Senator McCain to patronize Hillary supporters with his selection for VP–To restate what once was said by Lloyd Benson when another sought to wear a mantle that did not fit, “I have served (to elect) with Hillary Clinton, I know Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton (I believe) is a friend of mine. Sarah Palin you are no Hillary Clinton!”"
I just had to share this with you Pumas.
Here is my comment about this.
First……these women are driving me up the wall !!!!!!!!!!!!!
They are so blinded that they will not see theirselves clear to vote for another woman because she isn’t Hillary and doesn’t stand for the same things that Hillary did on abortion and some other items….instead of looking at the whole picture of qualifications and reformer ability….and would now rather vote for Obama the Criminal than to vote for McCain/Palin………I could go on for the next 139 pages about these women…they drive me as crazy as Obama and Pelosi have.UUUUGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then does she even realize that she has a suit that she could file against the Hilton if that is the case that they restricted her email communications….They have no legal standing to do that if they provide internet access they can’t restrict what a guest does on line or how many they email at a time. That’s like saying you can make local phone calls only no long distance and every phone call you make we will be listening to and standing over your shoulder……..but then this was probably another of the DNC control/spying items.
REALITY CHECK: Isn’t this about OBAMA-Pelosi and the corruption of the Democratic Party and not voting for Obama in November? AND reforming the corrent Democratic Party and electoral processes that that have been so corrupted? IF this is SO TOTALLY about Hillary and only Women’s Feminist Rights then maybe we shouldn’t be here at all !!! We have so so so much more to deal with also and for a very long time to achieve the results we want. Peple of America think about what is THE most imoportant things RIGHT NOW in Nov. when you make your decisions…..and a female VP getting the spot-light is the least of them.
This is as bad as all the gay bashing and female bashing that has gone on for years just because some is different or a different “PARTY” affiliate…….Aren’t WE better than that….Do we have to always one against the other because they are different??….Aren’t WE about EQUALITY AND RESPECT FOR ALL???? Let’s stop and focus.
#698 ElyLos Angeles
I am sick of him! Get that garbage off the site!
Guys! just watching CNN. Bo goes “What do think about MO”? Isn’t she blah blah blah!
Makes not sense, is she running and a 3rd choice
I saw a puma yesterday on my way home from work,I honked but it might just have been the name of there trailer,it was on I 275 south bound FL at rush hour.
sorry I had to go over to knoxnews and and see if I needed to continue my fight~ if interested here is the link;
http://blogs.knoxnews.com/knx/dnc2008/2008/08/end-of-an-era.html#c3424642
Hi PUMAs… I just joined. I’ve been a DEM for 32 years. I am a Hillary supporter and will not vote for Obama on Nov. 4th. I plan to support and vote for McCain / Palin.
P.S. Henrietta … I love reading your comments!!
Just orderd stuff at cafepress, I will leave my Hillary bumper sticker on and put Mccain Palin beside it and send a message.
apparently Palin said that teaching creationism is OK as long as it is taught alongside of the usual science stuff…Her dad was the local science teacher….so they are just trying to make her sound looney but she isn’t…
Susie1945 re. fraud videos
I’m collecting some of the good material on fraud. What I have so far is posted here.
http://unbrokencircles.com/fraud_charges_in_primary
Murphy or Mama … I’d love to post them on the PUMAPAC site. Let me know how to send them.
Just got home, discussing with my friends about Sarah Palin and NObama. I’m surprised my two friends who are hardcore democrats are voting for McCain. Like the rest of us, they’re also disgusted how NObama, DNC and the media have treated Hillary and they’re doing the same thing with Sarah Palin. They’re doing it to Sarah and Hillary due to the fact they’re WOMEN – that is the BIGGEST crime they’ve committed, to be born female. They should be treated as second class citizen, subservient to male gender. So where is this so-called “womens lib” or freaking feminist movement? Where is Gloria Steinem and her ilks? Where I came from, women are honored in society and well respected. Even the new generation still open the door for women, a young man will give up his seat in a public transportation and give it to a woman.
Here’s another thing I notice for years in this country, a lot of Americans don’t know their own US Constitution. When you don’t know your own laws, it is easy for savvy politicians to fool you.
Here’s a link for US Constitution, please take time to read it. When you read about Bill Of Rights, please read the annotation. We must all educate ourselves about laws of of country or else those corrupt people in Washington will fool us.
http://www.chanrobles.com/unitedstatesconstitution1.htm
#697 Can anyone tell what that button is on Bill Clinton’s jacket? Is it a pic of S.T.Jones?
#696 Headclunker, I had the same thing happen to me when I was pregnant with my son. They wanted to give me that test and I told them that it wouldn’t matter that I would not abort him anyway. I was 40 when I had him and he was healthy as horse.
sent my e-mail to the Belt way boys.
Kelligesq, Yes that is what we did and we are now welcomed with open arms. Also received a call from Mccains headquarters and they had a media event for democrats for Mccain only with local media taking pictures all channels were there. I feel so privilged to have received the VIP tickets only 1000 given out and will have special seeting up front all others will be standing. I can’t wait to get the new Mccain/Palin yard sign and bumper sticker.
OMG – SO FUNNY!!
Not sure if someone already posted this clip but a Fox News pundit said that Bill Maher called out MSNBC for the ridiculous coverage of Obama and they cut to a clip where Maher says something like, “I’m not saying it’s all Obama’s fault but watching MSNBC’s coverage of Obama’s speech made it seem like Chris Matthews and Keith Olberman were ready to have sex with Obama.”
hahahahaha. the Real Time audience was roaring with laughter at that one, so even super-liberals see how ridiculous those two dopes are!
Wontbackdown,
I read something about how Hillary had to come out and go after Palin. That if Obama did it, then it would appear to be sexist, so Hillary has to do it. I’m like yeah, what comes around goes around. any white person who brought out points of contention with Obama was labeled a racist. The repubs need to roll out Condi Rice to go after Obama. That would be great. I hate that woman, but seriously… bring on Condi Rice to go after nobama!
Now don’t stone me for saying this… But I wonder what Bill thinks… I think if Hill would let him, he would just put a stop to the party using her. She’s in a TERRIBLE situation because I think she does have future aspirations (which there is nothing wrong with) and her situation is very different from Bill’s. He can just walk away, she really can’t.
IF, and that may be a BIG “if” at this point, hillary becomes an attack dog for the DNC against Sarah Palin, then I will lose ALL respect for her. She will have sold her sold to the DNC just fora chance to run for president. In my centrist handbook, that kind of self-serving activity is called “disgusting.”
Otherwise, I have no problem.
708 goandersen
Please Murphy, don’t put OB pictures.
I no people in Alaska and they are all happy with Sara as gov.
BO news – I don’t see Dublin crowd really cheering or interested. Were there put in the BO meeting just for the numbers, concert etc?
Hello everyone,
I’m still thinking about how I will vote this November. I know I won’t vote for BO, but I can still either stay home or vote for another candidate. McCain will most likely win here in TX, but I still don’t want to mess up his chances by encouraging people to vote for a third party. In any case, here is some information that might be of interest to those of you in TX who are still thinking about your options. -Lara08
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Nader/Gonzalez ‘08
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This past Tuesday, we stood alongside the TX Green Party and filed and were approved for being a Write-In Candidate (thank you Electors for assisting on that!). As many of you have heard or read, the ballot access laws here are the most restrictive in the country–read the below text from the press release for more information.
MORE VOICES, MORE CHOICES!
Texas has arguably the worst ballot access laws in the country. The “primary screen out” rule prevents anyone who voted in the presidential primary from signing a nomination petition and Texas requires an inordinate amount of signatures to be filed by the earliest deadline in the country (May 12).* Despite these burdens designed by the two-party system to keep out challengers, two more presidential campaigns will officially file today to be included on the ballot as write-in choices.
Ralph Nader and Matt Gonzalez will file as independents and are proud to share this moment with the first double women-of-color presidential ticket in U.S. herstory, Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente for the Green Party. McKinney was the first African-American woman elected to the US House of Representatives in GA, where she long addressed issues most other Representatives wouldn’t, like taking leadership on the crimes against humanity following Hurricane Katrina. Rosa Clemente, a journalist, a tireless community activist from the South Bronx and an academic on liberation struggles in the U.S., is known as “one of this generation’s most important political voices” (Chuck D). Nader is one of Time Magazine’s “100 Most Influential Americans of the 20th Century” having affected countless reform measures in his 40+ years as a consumer and good-government advocate. Gonzalez, a Texan by birth, is an attorney and former member and president of the San Francisco County Board of Supervisors, where he was elected as a Green Party candidate and led to passage key reforms such as instant run-off voting and a gentrification protection measure for small businesses.
APPEARANCES:
–Nader and Gonzalez were both here in Austin a month ago today and would have been back, along with McKinney/Clemente for the Ft. Hood presidential debate last week, but it was canceled because Sen. Obama declined, saying there wasn’t enough time to fit this in with the other three narrowly-scripted debates (McCain was ready and willing).
–McKinney and Clemente will be coming to Texas before November (TBA).
–Both campaigns are calling for open debates, and tomorrow in Denver, Sean Penn, Val Kilmer, Cindy Sheehan and more are joining Nader/Gonzalez AND Rosa Clemente to protest the corporate lockdown on the debates in a super-rally adjacent the Democratic Convention.
RESOURCES:
McKinney/Clemente’s Power to the People campaign platform:
http://votetruth08.com/index.php/resources/platform
Nader/Gonzalez on the issues:
http://www.votenader.org/issues/
#697 wontbackdown…..I agree, Hillary looks so sad and defeated. But she loved Stephanie, as did everyone from my district (when I lived in Cleveland Heights)…..it’s a horrible loss for her on top of Gwatney and well, you know the rest.
Goandersen…..yes, let’s get that freakin’ BO’s pic off this site. Can’t stand his looking at his mug! (even a caracature of him!)
SouthJerseyPuma has been incredible over on Knox News and I send a personal thank you. I’m going to post a couple of more times there.
It was a blog from a local superdelegate and I do think he is or will read the responses.
GREAT JOB SOUTHJERSEYPUMA.
I’m just so tired. I’ve had a perpetual headache since “the nominee” gave his greek temple speech.
whoops – caricature? sp?
Elaine — email me at murphy@pumapac.org
I’ll put them up asap.
In 2012 it might very well be Hillary and Sara running against each other.
#630 SouthJerseyPUMA on 08.30.08 at 6:44 pm
[[here is the email for BELTWAY BOYS~
beltway@foxnews.com]]
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Thanks for the link and the information. Here’s what I just sent him …
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Dear Mr. Kondracke,
I didn’t watch your show today, but friends told me that you think Hillary supporters won’t vote for McCain with Palin on the ticket. You are as wrong as wrong can be. Millions of us are looking forward to voting for them.
My dislike and distrust for Obama is so great that I had planned to vote for McCain simply to defeat Obama. However, when John McCain named Sarah Palin as his running mate, I was thrilled.
Mind you, I’d never even heard of Sarah Palin before yesterday. However, I was immediately impressed by her when I heard her speak. I was particularly impressed by her background and her dedication to fight government corruption, such as that which we’ve seen from Obama and the DNC during this election process.
Sarah Palin may not be a perfect candidate. But no candidate is. I may not agree with everything McCain and Palin stand for. But neither do I agree with everything the Democrats stand for. McCain and Palin may not be able to deliver on all of their campaign promises, but neither can any candidate.
I’m convinced that John McCain and Sarah Palin on their worst days are far superior than Barack Obama on his best day. Obama is evil and does not belong in the White House under any circumstances.
As for your pathetic argument that women will be scared away by their pro-life position, you can drop that nonsense right now. First, neither McCain nor Palin plan to overturn Roe V. Wade. Second, both will work hard to address the issues that make abortion a perceived necessity. When we have no more unwanted pregnancies, abortion will be a thing of the past. When women and girls no longer have to fear being raped, we won’t need the assurance that we can abort a rapist’s baby. When medical science finds ways to cure or prevent Down’s Syndrome and other medical maladies, women won’t be faced with the painful choice that Sarah Palin herself had to make.
Speaking of which, I give Sarah Palin and her family tremendous credit. They are far braver than I think I could be if faced with the knowledge that I would give birth to a baby with Down’s Syndrome. Whether Palin was pro-life or pro-choice, I would admire her courage and love.
When I vote for McCain and Palin, it will also be a vote for Hillary. John McCain and Hillary Clinton are friends. He and Sarah Palin will give her an important position in their administration and treat her far better than Barack Obama would. Although I would have preferred Hillary for President, I think having McCain and Palin in the White House, with Hillary in a position to keep working on the causes she champions, is a far better alternative than electing a Chicago thug.
Lotusboy- it’a a stupid Dublin High School football game…..can you believe them apples?
663 Slyt2
I was watching Fox too. We should get the guys name and contact Fox.
Talk about rotten…am I wrong isn’t that grounds for sexual harrassment in the work place? Well he sexually harrassed me by hearing It!!!!!
My mind has been made up for months ,if it isn’t Hillary its John Mccain.
Fox news
“nice to see a woman in skirt instead of pants”
take it where it comes from – dinasours rexus on the way to extinction
I have had a perpetual headache since January.
Someone, pleeeeeez have a drink for me tonight. or two, or three….
If one is good, two must be better!
Everyone have a wonderful weekend and stay safe.
“Always aim high, work hard, and care deeply about what you believe in. When you stumble, keep faith. When you’re knocked down, get right back up. And NEVER listen to anyone who says you can’t or shouldn’t go on.”
- Hillary Clinton -
689# DEM4HILLARY
I understand that you were upset by the circumstances in you post~ BUT!!!!!
I do not think that it is right to complain of the sexist remarks made with Hillary and now Palin when we berate our own sisters in life~ I do not think it is right to have called this women that name and i dont think it was proper to use the word here. To call another woman a B!TCH is only to continue the sexism of our own~ I hope I havent offended you~ :/
Lorelai – I don’t. Hope the locals behind him at that venue can see through the empty. THis repeat run speech makes me want to watch some infant cartoon to fall asleep.
Asian4Hillary #715:
You have some of the best insights/comments about the state of women’s rights in our country. You also wrote something yesterday about women turning on women and that is something I’ve discussed a lot with my mom (one of those original, radical feminists from the 60’s.)
My mom happens to be a therapist and gave me a great insight about why a lot of the women in my generation have been so slow to keep up the cause. She said that if a girl has a difficult, troubled relationship with her own mother then as an adult she tends to have problems with women in power or authority. I thought that was really interesting.
Also, during the primaries Cokie Roberts was talking about the big age divide in women supporting Hillary vs. BO and she pointed out that until women work their way up the corporate ladder in their careers (late 30’s/early 40’s) they haven’t hit that glass ceiling yet so they have blinders on and therefore haven’t yet become “radicalized”. Cokie also said that when women start to have children and see how they are marginalized and treated at work because of it, then they finally, personally see how important women’s rights are.
#735
I’m not there yet and it isn’t because of the dumb ass arguments the BO people are making about McCain/Palin. I have other issues with McCain. I need to go to the McCain website to research whether or not he has addressed some things. I don’t want to really discuss these issues because I will just give the BO people fodder. In any case, I’m counting on people like you to go in there on election day and bring it home for McCain/Palin. Best.
This may sound a little “New-Age-y”, but for me, the “energy” or “vibes” a candidate (or ticket) brings to the White House and to our nation is more important than where they stank on particular issues.
In terms of what’s “good” for our nation (“energy”-wise), I get a better “feeling” about McCain/Palin than about BO/Biden.
I think JM/SP have a better “energy-vibe”.
It really doesn’t matter what they say about issues. They have to say what appeals to their “bases” or they won’t win.
With respect to women’s, gays’, environmental (etc) issues; progress will continue, at the rate that Americans can tolerate it. The Repubs can not impede that progress, nor can the Dems speed it up substantially IF the majority of Americans are not ready for it.
For example, many gays (here in CA & elsewhere) think that the Repubs are horrible for their cause. Yet recently, gay marriage became legal in CA, thanks to a Repub-dominated supreme court and the backing of our Repub governor!!! That’s probably because the mentality here has shifted, and polls lately have been showing that the majority of CA now support gay marriage (unlike most other states).
Yes, Murph – we will vomit if you put any mo BO photos up…we are really sick of seeing his face. Sick , sick, sick.
#745 FreddieBrown By the way Fred, I’m taking the rest of your Nobama posters to the RNC Monday!
DEM4HILLARY~
thank you for the nice post~ now I feel bad for mine here to you… but I just feel we cant make changes on sexism if we dont start with ourselves~ we would be hypocrites and would be laughed at~
so again, I hope i didnt offend you~
Didn’t have time to read through all the posts, but, please, tell me Hillary isn’t attacking Sarah Palin!
She has fallen on the sword enough to kill herself umpteen times already and has demeaned herself in the process.
It’s one thing for her to support Nobama, but if she attacks Sarah Palin, I will lose all respect for the woman.
If The One thinks that’s going to score points for him with women, he’s badle mistaken and will only further the truth that he is anti-women.
SouthJerseyPuma:
You make valid points that I will take into consideration. you have not offended me.
UTTERLY DISGUSTING RUMOR ABOUT SARAH PALIN ON KOS: THE DEMOCRATS HAVE COLLECTIVELY LOST THEIR MINDS.
http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/utterly-disgusting-daily-kos-today-claims-sarah-palins-fifth-child-is-not-hers/#comments
739~ Goandersen~ thank you for the Hillary quote!!! I love it!! will be sure to put it on my “my space” page!!
I am so glad I got to meet you and give you something special from me~ I hope you liked it?!!!
#744
You say, “That’s probably because the mentality here has shifted,…”
The Democrats didn’t catch on to the fact that many Republicans who had been against certain issues (environment, leaving Iraq, etc…) a few years ago, have come around. They still spoke to people as if people hadn’t changed. I work on environmental issues and many people who profess to be Republicans agree that we need to do something (what that is still up for debate). I said this earlier this year and have to repeat it. BO’s campaign needs to go out and actually speak to their electorate instead of talking down to them.
#748 heysandy
Hillary is above that.
#746 ladyhawkke on 08.30.08 at 7:49 pm
#745 FreddieBrown By the way Fred, I’m taking the rest of your Nobama posters to the RNC Monday!
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LadyHawkke – glad to know that you will put the posters to good use. I gave a bunch to my Republican friends who wanted them .. *****
I hate Fox News. They used Hillary when it was to their advantage. Now their trashing her.
Now, they’re LAUGHING at her pant suits. They were laughing how she had her people bring in all different colored suits until she found the right one for the convention center. They want all women in highs and dresses. It was disgusting.
I’m pro-choice. Even if abortion is available in Mexico or Canada, that’s out of the question for most people I know. Who can afford to take off work, much less buy a ticket to a foreign country?
Abortion has to be safe. Its a woman’s choice – Not the governments. We worked hard in the 60’s and 70’s to make sure that is our right.
Anybody who doesn’t believe the abortion issue is important has never heard about a botched illegal abortion. The Republican’s have to accept this RIGHT on their platform or I’m voting for Bob Barr. At least Libertarians understand its none of their business!
Re: #752 When I said “Republicans” in my first line, I think I really just meant “people.”
I strongly believe there is a strong Kennedy faction in the Dem party. Kennedy wants all glory to Kennedy family etc. That Kennedy does not like to see a successful Clinton.
I think this entire election was all about Kennedy trying to crush Clinton in the party. I think he latched onto Obama 4 years ago and set him up and came to an agreement to run Obama in 2008.
Why else could there be so much hatred of Clinton in the party unless there was someone fostering the
hatred. Everything I have seen points in that direction. Even Kerry was a hand picked Kennedy man. It is all about some kind of Kennedy legacy.
There will not be peace in the Democratic Party for Clinton until the Kennedy power is gone. Kennedy was not going to step aside and allow a Clinton to determine the candidate. There must be bad blood between these two that goes back many years. This can not be a new situation. It has to go way back. Can someone guess where the rift comes from.
It is obvious that the Kennedy faction is willing to use corruption to win elections. That makes sense since the Democratic Party in massachusetts uses corruption of the ballot box.
The dems here use the unions to bus illegal aliens to the voting places multiple times all day long. It is easy to do in the inner city locations. no one checks for an ID. the unions then get the big gov contracts.
I am sure there are other methods of cheating. Lets face it 50 years ago Mayor Daley was stuffing ballot boxes and got Kennedy elected. Look into the history of the illinois election in 1960. It is somewhat reminiscent of the 2000 florida election but still a bit different. Here the mayor delivered the votes all in one county. They went real slow and did not turn in votes until the rest of the state was all in then they slowly over several days gave some vote counts. There were an awful lot of votes needed. It took a long time to get all those votes into the system and make sure they had enough to win.
Since most people in Chicago were Kennedy fans they sort of approved the corruption.
The kennedy picks do not do well. Dukakis, Kerry both lost. Who else did the kennedy faction support. The dems keep losing because kennedy keeps picking the nominee. I believe the corruption goes back a long long way.
As far as attacking, i just would like to say that I spent a lot of time, especially back in March and April pointing out legitimate issues with Obama including his use of the race card. Some may call that attacking. I wanted to see Hillary go after him harder than she did. But, I personally have been labeled a racist because of my remarks.
I think in politics it is part of it of pointing out differences, and weaknesses in your opponent. Honestly, Hillary ran a positive campaign, she really did. I expect Palin will receive “attacks” etc. Now there is a difference between respectable debate and even pointing out flaws, weaknesses, or points of concern. The republicans WILL defend her. They did a HELL of a job defending her last night. I think we need to go after comments like (women wearing dresses).
Hillary had NO ONE defending her except Bill Clinton. Towards the end it was literally just her and her 18 million against the world. IT was awful. I was very very proud of the republican women who went toe to toe on CNN last night in defense of her. Hillary NEVER had that. It was terrible.
HI JenniforHillary #583, I agree with YOU 1000%…..I truly believe Hillary knew the outcome of all of this way before the convention..And, I believe she knows it will take a complete destruction of the current democratic parry for her to emerge in 2012..And, my puma friends McCain is the Ansewer… I have never voted Republican before but, for this cause that I truly believe in I will do everything within my power to see that BO WILL NEVER WIN OR ENTER THE WHITE HOUSE.. AND , IF VOTING MCCAIN IS THE ANSWER…THAT IS WHAT I WILL DO…
#751 SouthJerseyPUMA
Well of course, and thank you!
It was fun and interesting to meet other pumas in Denver.
NJ1313~ what show was it my daughter changed the station and i missed it!!!
I hope you can take a second to go above and find the post on Beltway Boys and send them a email too!!! that is if you are making a statement to the dnc by voting McCain~
#753 goandersen
I hope so … no telling what they’re going to force her into next. There comes a time when you have to say “enough is enough.”
Can someone please tell me why I keep losing my sound? I’ve opened the volume control, went to the control panel and still can’t hear. I have not been able to listen to any of the videos. I can hear sound with my Catalyst Media Center where I watch and listen to TV while blogging.
Sorry, I meant Party #759
GoHillaryGo:
Robert Kennedy Jr. loudly endorsed Hillary. It was really beautiful. I think there has been a rift within that family.
#758 Dem4Hillary
Internalized sexism seems to be running rampant within the Democratic party, along with racism. Too freaking weird.
BTW
Received a letter from Hillary today asking for money for DSCC … minimum of $75.00 requested.
How far will she go?!
shows source of the “you pull a knife I pull a gun” quote – “Obama – The Chicago way” documentary from Australia 21 mins Aired 26 August 08
http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2008/s2341480.htm
GOANDERSEN : Thanks for posting Hillary’s quote again
It is my personal mantra that she said so well.
We need to keep that permanently right at the top of the blog – – not BO’s face.
“Always aim high, work hard, and care deeply about what you believe in. When you stumble, keep faith. When you’re knocked down, get right back up. And NEVER listen to anyone who says you can’t or shouldn’t go on.”
- Hillary Clinton -
We are going to win in November and this explains how. It even points out how scared BO is and is begging PA for their votes! hahahahahaha, that loser.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080830/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_campaign_battleground_stakes
#762 heysandy
That is a line Senator Clinton will never cross. Never.
LandiPUMA – I agree with your perspective. Shall I add a little icing? I think you said yes.
Now to take care of immediate, medium and long term future for energy is it not a good idea to drill as much now and in the interim find other solutions implemented through research to commercialization cycle. Simply to say that we will not buy Saudi oil 10 years from now is running on empty. What if the world says we cannot supply you the oil 5 yrs from now not 10 years from now. THis is a struggle Europe is having with the Russian flashpoint. Back to American interests without know the research and commercialization cycle of alternate technology and cost per unit of consumption, would the DELTA AIRLINE run on HAY and BUDLIGHT mixed with KFC FREID OIL. Will Electrical cars run using existing electric lines that are already susceptible to blackouts or by increasing electric output capacity by other geo-thermal means, coal gasification.
In a nutshell, the Greek speech does not provide answers to that and one would have to weigh all these for reality check.
To conclude, the focus should be to understand with open mind ideas put forth and toward this end I am not averse to drilling now. Not sure about others!
736 Kelligesq
Fox news: “nice to see a woman in skirt instead of pants”
take it where it comes from – dinasours rexus on the way to extinction
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That might be true if the sexism was spewed by your next door neighbor, Harry. But these pigs are on national television, and boys, men, girls and women are the audience.
So while the sexist media androids are on their way to extinction, their message is being perpetuated. I won’t write the rest of what i’m thinking.
#683 diva2 I posted that earlier you must not have seen it anyways when he said that about yea I know she did (as hillary wearing pantsuits) Juan Williams lead over shot him a look and said something, I can not swear to it but I am almost positive I heard him say “don’t go there”. Did you hear that too?
#767 heysandy
They are raising money for down ticket Dems.
CasperCat~ I agree too!!! If 61 is able to do this because we didnt do everything in our power to see it not happen~ America we know will exist NO MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tuesday I am going to find a McCain HQ and go down with my hillary shirt and see what I can do to help~
and I think those here who are supporting John should write him and let him know that we will support him as Hillary fans and we are sure counting on him to listen to us and just do the right thing for all~ (something along those lines)
thought on that?????
Is there a blogtalkradio program on tonight?
#716 ladyhawkke
Yes. That is a button of Stephanie on Bill’s lapel.
#734 NJ1313 I agree now that another woman is in the picture they think they are gonna start this crap up again NOT ON MY WATCH. I didn’t even know half of the sexist comments made about Hillary and If it wasn’t for utube we all wouldn’t know. Do you have a idea how to go about finding out about guest on the show?
#775 goandersen
I understand that. But it was Hillary’s name on very first letter sent after the convention. Maybe I’m too stupid or paranoid, but I don’t think that’s a coincidence. She’s being used again, and again, and again. IMHO
770 hillaryrules – Thanks for the link. That is good news and I hope PUMA can make it certainly rock for themselves by closing the gap!
Sorry guys, I had to leave for a bit… I don’t know if any of the same people are still here now, but wanted to respond to:
#543 Henerietta on 08.30.08 at 5:56 pm — “I am going to write to Geraldine F. before I leave for KY. I am going to ask her to join us in our efforts to clean up the politics in our country. She is a sassy lady with lots of spunk. I think she would have a lot of fun helping us.
One other person we should try hard to recruit is J. Carville. He wore those highly visible PUMA sneakers all through the convention, I hear over his wife’s objections. Nobody else on the CNN pundit circle had sneakers on”.
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Henrietta, That would be great! Let us know what she says! She is a spunky lady. Didn’t really know her before but have grown to quite like her during this election season!
As far as James Carville goes, he’d be a great one to have on-board too, but I don’t know where he stands. I know he was for Hillary and very against BO, but subsequent to June – I’ve noticed he’s more or less followed Hillary in standing up for “the party” (& BO, unfortunately).
I do think it would be great if we could let him know where we stand – ESPECIALLY as it relates to some comments he made last night – on either Anderson Cooper or Larry King (I don’t remember which). But he was saying the same things as Mort Kondracke on the Beltway Boys today…and others today too… About how Hillary voters would NOT be pleased with Palin & how the pro-choice issue would be pre-dominant in the decision of how Hillary’s supporters would vote, etc.
As was discussed here earlier today, that’s not the only issue that matters to us!! And it’s getting irritating to hear people repeatedly talking as if it was!
So, first off…we need to set Carville straight on that! After that…well, who knows what could come of it!
Does anyone know how to contact him?
PLEASE post for all of us if so!
I’ll have to check back later though because I’ve got company coming right now.
GoHillary – I agree with you. I know personally that in the 1960’s the Kennedys trashed candidates here in MA who didn’t show them sufficient loyalty. They destroyed the careers of some very promising people. They even refused to support Sargent Shriver when he had political aspirations.
I’m waiting for some astute reporter to cover the years that old Joe Kennedy was incapacitated on Cape Cod.
By the way it’s never reported but Jack Kennedy could never remember a woman’s name . . . he called everyone “kid” and he did proposition every female between the ages of 20 and 60. There’s lots of information on Cape Cod about the Kennedys that I don’t think anyone dares to report.
Dem4Hillary: No Hillary had no one who had the integrity to do that except Geraldine and she also was subject to it. Hypocrites…This is why the only ticket I am going to give to all Down Dems is Down the River to defeat, starting with Mary Landrie, who some years ago was certainlydefended by a lot of us when The Archbishop got on her case prior to an election..re abortion..and I am pro life, for what frankly any of that is worth in the political arena..not much. My point?
where were these people? Nowhere because they didn’t want toget the mark of not cooperating ..hypocrites.
slyt2~
what show was Juan Williams on?
Take a look at the following message, just posted on McCain’s blogsite. Note the text I bolded. I guess the Obama troop is out full-force now spreading their malicious lies under the guise of expressing concern. Tell me do you think any legitimate former Democratic Clinton supporter would really believe the claim I bolded? Or does it sound like the Daily Kos, or some other Bamabot website’s game plan? It’s interesting that someone upthread reported that on one of their sites they were taking a vote to see if they should start spreading the following rumor. It’s pretty despicable.
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“Posted at 7:52PM on 8/30/08 by Hillary4Mac
I’m not sure what I’m going to do now, I started Supporting John McCain once Obama stole this thing from Hillary. Because Obama isn’t ready to be President of anything, let alone our country, and I still feel that way. I’m not a huge fan of the Republican party, but I like McCain, because he seems like a trustworthy guy, unlike Obama. But that being said, I see that McCain picked this lady to be his VP and I’ve never even heard of her. I thought we wanted Experienced Leadership, but it seems we’ve given up on that, and allowed Obama to get away with his lack of experience. I was willing to give her time, and trust McCain knows what he’s doing, but I just got an Email saying that this Palin lady is sketchy. That she might’ve tried to fire someone for personal reasons, the kind of thing Bush did. I don’t want another Bush, and I thought McCain wasn’t like that. I also heard that her daughter might be the mother of Palin’s baby. I don’t believe that, but if it’s out there, and people start believing that, what chance do we have? Why didn’t he pick Romney or Huckabee? I don’t think I can support McCain now, I don’t like this VP, and I’m not sure who to vote for. It won’t be Obama, I know that, but McCain just lost a voter with this VP pick, sorry. Maybe I’ll write in Hillary.”
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The strategy seems to be to kill 2 birds with one stone: Get former Hillary supporters to write in her name, which essentially voids their vote or allows it to be counted towards Obama in many states; or, alienate and exploit the anger of Romney and Huckabee Republicans, so maybe they just don’t bother to vote at all, thus helping Obama and hurting McCain.
I looked for a link to tonights show Murphy, not there yet
Because of the STUPID hurricane, don’t know how long I can post.
Wanted to say how cool it would be for McCain to appoint Hillary to Secretary of State! Who better to take Condi’s place????
That would be a b*tch slap to the dems who hurt her and a huge point for making the White House moderate.
#780 heysandy
HRC can take of herself. She is walking the walk and talking the talk. That was her choice.
Hi everyone, I went to see john Mccain and palin speak. There were a few hundred women with hillary gear on!! I was so excited! Anyway, there is one thing we have to remember. Barry hired thousands of bloggers who are out there writing this “stuff” and portraying themselves as hillary supporters! Don’t buy it! I’m sure there are some clinton supporters who drank the Kool-aid, but I really believe most are Barry Bloggers!!
re#755 bro
here’s some background on your boy bob barr..
Barr’s public opposition to abortion is well-documented. His voting record is consistently anti-choiceand substantiated by a “perfect score” from the Christian Coalition. “I would do absolutely everything in my power to stop” a family member from having an abortion, brayed Barr even if that family member had been raped.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvcnQLZ1YTk&feature=email
SouthJerseyPuma:
Besides my comment of what I called Condi, what do you think of the Repubs having her “attack” or provide some civil discourse on Obama. it would be GREAT.
There is a radio show on tonight….I think Murphy posted it above and now my head hurts so badly I can’t find it….right Murphy? Or Mama? Anyway, she did post the link…
In my post (#744) above
I meant “…where they stand on particular issues”
NOT “…where they stank…”
Funny typo! Freudian slip?
Well… many ’stands’ that politicians take are “stinking bull”… often NOT what they really feel & believe down inside.
–Lara08 (#752/756), and –Lotus Boy (#772), & others:
Thanks for your responses to my #744 post:
I have to go take care of some things here, but later on I will read carefully and reflect on all responses. See y’all later!
Brooklyn…. it is a person that posted on this website… i think I saw that name here too
#793 Dem4Hillary – That is a great idea. Maybe even Madam Albright! Did’nt she deal with the boys long enough!
Get back in a couple!
#785 SouthJerseyPUMA It was on right after the Beltway boys it had Bill Hamer (whatever his last name is) and he had Juan on there and another guy and they were talking about how wonderful BO’s speech was and that guy comment on how nice it is to see woman dresses in dress again and Heels not pantsuits. So I am thinking it was just American Election HQ’s maybe not sure. i can look at a schedule and see if I can find out.
Firebelle Puma on 08.30.08 at 7:39 pm
Nicely said! Thank you
MamaPumaMass@aol.com Billie Joe on #596 Puma
myhalligan1@gmail.com (halligan on Puma)
Thanks for all the recommendations and the comments on the potential VOTER FRAUD here in Ohio, guys. (Please see my post #200 about potential Voter Fraud in the upcoming Ohio election.) Four of us are already signing up as pollsters here just for this purpose, though there is little we can do short of visually recognizing people who come in more than once to vote. We can’t follow them to different polling places. (Hmmm, maybe we can wait in the parking lot to watch and take pictures…of car-loads, of people in groups…maybe we CAN follow them…oh, hell, they could just stagger days.) There’s just got to be a way to tighten this down. MY GOSH!
I am so glad to be part of an organization of brilliant women who have the chutzpa (PC for “balls”) to stand up and DO SOMETHING ABOUT INJUSTICE. This all seems so odd to me, a child of the ’60’s, we were ACTUALLY ALLOWED to protest in the streets right outside a politician’s office, home, or rally. Carry signs and sing and chant and march! No “designated” areas way off in the great beyond nonsense. It’s OK though, now we have the internet.
Way to go PUMA’s. We CAN make a difference!!!! And we MUST!
woman dressing in dresses again.. sorry can’t type tooo mad.
Carville is going to go with the party…that is where he makes his money!!!
DEM4Hillary.
WE must ORGANIZE and we must be militant. I know Murphy is not to cool with this but I am going to email her tomorrow when I have time. WE MUST DEFEAT BO and we must VOTE McCAIN….
WE must. I could not bear for her to lose twice and us to lose EVERYTHING…
DEFEAT BO, PUNISH THE DNC, UPLIGHT HILLARY–VOTE McCAIN!!
OH, and vote for the best candidate–2 for the price of one!!
And Asian4Hillary you are WONDEROUS!!
bmw60~ i loved the post you did by the AA woman about Rev Wright and her being an American etc… on knoxnews!
what a beautiful admirable story!!!
I read the Fox News scroll and is said Cindy McCain talks to George Stefanapolois about how offended she is that BO is attacking her wealth. She says her Dad was dirt poor and worked hard to become a self-made man and give his family the American dream. She said she loves that he did that for her and BO needs to stop bashing him for it.
You get him Cindy!! She and Sarah are going to team up and bring down those sexist pigs.
Post 336…Murphy and Friends – nine eastern.
779 & 785
Just got back from Fox site. I don’t know which show they don’t list schedule time with show name. The show wason at 7 pm I believe. I tried calling but the message box was full so I’ll call another time. I am e=mailing now.
#792 bmw60
Good God!
Hillary’s got a couple of videos out on her website under the blog section. There is one of her being interviewed just before she took the floor to hand the nomination SELECTION to Obama.
Check this out:
“Sarah Palin vs. Barack Obama” http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-vs-barack-obama/
SouthJerseyPUMA #776
Yes, I want to write McCain and thank him for picking Sarah Palin. Should we write him at local campaign headquarters? Senate office? We have to show him and all media that a lot of us Hillary women are thrilled and proud to get the chance to make history.
NJ1313 like I said to southjerseypuma I believe it was American election HQ’s but I can’t swear too it, I go look also be right back
#791 pink puma on 08.30.08 at 8:15 pm re#755 bro
here’s some background on your boy bob barr..
Barr’s public opposition to abortion is well-documented. His voting record is consistently anti-choiceand substantiated by a “perfect score” from the Christian Coalition. “I would do absolutely everything in my power to stop” a family member from having an abortion, brayed Barr even if that family member had been raped.
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That was it. Barr is not a Libertarian. He is a Republican. the Libertarian Party sold out to have a person who was previously elected to an office. He was a republican congressman.
I would not touch Bob Barr with a 10 foot pole.
Here is a poll to take http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/08/30/hot-seat-palin-and-clinton-supporters/?icid=200100397×1208643679x1200491402
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT
This is a post i just found on another site:
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lovesdogs said, on August 30th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
You need to be very afraid of the ties ODrama holds
http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/is_khalid_mansour.htm
This article may give us a hint of who is behind the curtain.
“Knowing that Sutton had friends at Harvard, al-Mansour asked Sutton to “please write a letter in support of [Obama] … a young man that has applied to Harvard.” Sutton gladly did so.
Although Sutton does not specify a date, this would likely have been in 1988 when the 27-year-old Obama was applying to Harvard Law.
Two years later, while still a law student, Obama improbably received an advance to write a memoir that would be called “Dreams From My Father” when finally published in 1995.
Not yet clear is who exactly this Khalid al-Mansour is. There are at least two candidates, one more troubling than the other. The first is a Muslim crackpot preacher who has not met the paranoid racial fantasy unworthy of his energy.”
It may also give us a clue about the ODrama’s need to skip over the college/law school years in his resume.
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I just found these you tubes it scared me so much that i had to post them and there are many more they are MuslimByChoice :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDeAnC-6P0Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwOrxo1CM4w&feature=related
One of the supreme court justices said there is no way that roe v wade will come up again for review. they are done with it. so do not be blackmailed by abortion. the supreme court determines abortions and they feel very settled on the issue.
I am having a drink for someone who asked in an earlier post
i congratulate senator mccain for his wisdom in choosing sarah palin for his running mate.
senator mccain has increased my respect and loyaty for his courage..
the democratic party has shown itself to be utterly rotten,corrupt and elitist..
i am a lifelong democrat but now i will register republican for this november election.
i think the democratic party will never change and continue to lose legitimacy eventually becoming obsolete..
#796 bmw60 on 08.30.08 at 8:18 pm
Yes, I thought the name sounded very familiar….
Murphy – what time is show – don’t show anything scheduled for today – 8/30/08
812
I used your recap in my e-mail… hope its ok
I was watching Fox 7pm show this evening. And am very UPSET!!
One of the guest panelist said something about how nice it is to see woman in dresses, you know Michelle and Bidens wife. You know instead of pantsuits,(sick of seeing pantsuits) they look like real woman dresses, high heels. Then Bill Hammer said ‘Hillary wears pantsuits’ and he said ‘Yea I know that’s my point’ (really nasty).Then Juan Williams says something but not sure what he said but I swear it said “don’t go there”.(he mumbled under his breath)
Am I wrong isn’t that grounds for sexual harassment in the work place? Well just by hearing It, he sexually harassed me in my workplace ~~~HOME~~~!!!!!
#806 Lorelai
Post 336…Murphy and Friends – nine eastern
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Someone please post the link for me again, I always go to blogtalk radio, it’s not there and I can never find it on time. I can’t find it in my bookmarks either.
HELP, HELP…………………………….HELP!
#800 Larry
Just got home from vineyard work. Tangles in my hair, bugs all over, sweaty and need a shower. But I did go to the Ohio State website. There are 88 counties and all the auditors are listed with their e-mails, faxes, addresses and telephone numbers. It didn’t take much hunting. I’ve copied and pasted all the information plus saved in a Word Document. Plus I have copied the Secretary of State’s contacts and the Governor’s. Ohio was a real voting problem in 2004. I do think that targeting that state with snail mail, e-mail and faxes would be a good idea especially in light of the ID and polling places. I’ve been a polling monitor but that was way back in the days of registration books and pull levers, not all the technology stuff. I will be making a list of pertinant questions to include in a note to all the above contacts. Your idea of volunteering to be a poll watcher is good, but there is so much more we can do to put the pressure on for the next 66 days to make sure that Ohio is ready. We can also check out the other swing states to see what kinds of voting procedures they have as well. I’ll keep working and send my information on to mamapuma, maryland and murphy when I get it compiled (by tomorrow night). By the way, the grapes are looking great. We just need sunshine to ripen them. We put netting over them today to keep the birds away. Have some more work to do out there this week. I haven’t seen any Ohio bloggers on here besides you. Let me know if others turn up.
818-Mijabsnji -thanx – that was me! ((That was I?) I can’t throw out 28 years of sobriety because of #61. That will give me just one more thing to resent him for! lol
As to enlisting James the Rajun Cajun Carville to the PUMA cause, well, yes, he does make his money helping dems get to high offices, and he will still be making money when he is helping PUMA DEMS achieve high offices!!!
815 Susie1945 on 08.30.08 at 8:30 pm
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT
I tried this link already, nothing for today, MURPHY & friends.
Waaaaaaaaasuuuuuuuuup?
810 kat in your hat on 08.30.08 at 8:24 pm Check this out:
“Sarah Palin vs. Barack Obama” http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-vs-barack-obama/
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Thanks Kat in your Hat for posting this website, it certainly speaks volumes, I have saved it for future references.
792~ WOW! BMW60!!!
PLEASE GO TO THAT POST and FLAG THAT VIDEO CLICK THE DROPDOWN AND REPORT IT AS HATEFUL AND OFFENSIVE!!!
GET IT DELETED PUMAS!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvcnQLZ1YTk&feature=email
re#826 dead
i doubt that …ole snakehead is married to one of the most rabid rightwingers in the media maryiln madelyn..
hes a democratic party functionary..he isnt going anywhere..
#825 Lorelai
I am celebrating our defeat of obama
I know I don’t find anything scheduled for today either – asked Murphy for help but no response – am hearing last night’s show – repeat
#826 deadgirlsrise on 08.30.08 at 8:34 pm
Heck, if worse comes to worst he can make his money helping Republicans get into office. His wife is Republican Mary Matalin, his counterpart in the Republican Party.
I WOULD SAY HIS SENATE OFFICE~ BUT WE NEED ALL OF US TO DO IT ON ONE DAY AS A PROWL~ NOT 3 OR 4 ONE DAY AND 2 THE NEXT~
MUST BE 100′S IN A DAY!!
BillieJo:
#815 Susie posted it.
Next time you are listening to the show, sign up for a “show reminder” and you will get a reminder in your email box one hour before the show.
Evening all.
Whoa south. That guy is exposing the racism i these so called equal rights activists.
It was created by these people.
http://hotair.com/
Oh yeah, and in honor of James Carville’s immortal “it’s the economy, stupid” I’ve posted a new gorgeous specimen of a Mountain Lion… and a few choice words of commentary…
http://deadgirlsrise.blogspot.com/
ps, had to laugh, my 4 year old nephew pointed to the pic of BO at the top of this thread and said “What is the funny picture of Barack Obama, it looks funny, looks like he’s flying, its funny” …
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/08/30/puma/#comments
Just dropping in to let you all know at Greta’s site, she opened a new thread about Puma’s …. ok i gotta go !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DQAOZlNrO8&feature=email
Black Panther Party on Obamas Website
URGENT ACTION NEEDED
#829 – please all click on that youtube link and flag it. A video telling all black and brown men to have sex with white women to “breed them out”
Please go flag this hate speech!!!
Thought the show started at 9:00? that’s what Murphy said….
792
FLAGED IT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrbhYQLrqp0&eurl=http://gretawire.foxnews.com/
Greta has a blog questioning reality of PUMAs…..
Good article on Hot Air, The people who put that video out.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/30/the-man-trap/
I think Murphy will be on Sheri Tag’s radio program with RiverDaughter tomorrow night (31 Aug). Great trio, no?
Dedicated, bright, funny, insightful.
#822 NJ1313
Me thinks we should flood the commentators with emails demanding that they spend all day every day in uncomfortable nylons and high heels before they make derogatory comments about women in slacks.
Noticed that Palin is opposed to stem cell research but that usually goes along with the anti-abortion stance. My husband and I are both diabetics. We are receipients of good diabetes research and are very supportive of stem cell research. There are so many alternatives to using fetuses, but the laws hamper any kind of research in that area even if it doesn’t involved fetuses. The cells that are being thrown away every day (perfectly usuable) is a chance for another human life to live. I’ve always believed that scientific research is a God given talent (yes, it’s been misused by evil people), but for the most part and with the right controls, that research has been helpful to mankind. Fear is keeping so much good research from being done and moral and political issues get so spewed with misinformation. So the conservative wing of the Republican Party and some very moderate and conservative Democrats are so deeply emotional about the issue, that they cannot see the forest through the trees. The infants that are born with disabilities would be so helped by stem cell research according to early testing. And quality of life issues would be address for so many quadrapalegics and Parkinsons patients. Are we to live forever? No, but its how we live, the quality of that living that is sooooooooooooooo important.
August 30th, 2008 7:58 PM Eastern
PUMA..
by Greta Van Susteren
Do you think PUMA (”Party Unity My A**) is real? meaning that there are a substantial number of Democrats who are still angry over the Democratic nominee? or do you think the Democratic Party NOW has UNITY? that those originally unhappy with the nominee have now come to terms with the situation and fully support Senator Obama?
Check out the video below…and yes, it could be posted by one person…and have no (yes, zero) impact…or it could have the support of some..or even many…what is it? watch and comment.
#786 Thanks for posting that. The strange thing is the DNC and Obots obviously think we are stupid. Who are they trying to impress with this crap?
I really think Palin should walk out and say “now I know I don’t look like everyone else in DC and the Dems are going to try and tell you that is a concern…….
#829 SouthJerseyPUMA Flagged that bad boy.
UPCOMING SHOW: 8/31/2008 8:00 PM
NO WE WON’T PUMA RADIO
NO WE WON’T
Date / Time: 8/31/2008 8:00 PM
Category: Politics
STAY TUNED
Schedule
9/3/2008 8:00 PM – NO WE WON’T PUMA RADIO
9/7/2008 8:00 PM – NO WE WON’T PUMA RADIO
9/10/2008 8:00 PM – NO WE WON’T PUMA RADIO
obimbo likes what chavez , castro and other dictator ´do., they criticize people of their wealth, but once they are in power steal the money from their fellow contrymen and put it in tax heavens, fiscal paradises like cayman islands, johns island in the english channel or the traditional switzenland thru front men
Pink Puma. Bob Barr was a Republican (anti-abortion party) before he left the Congress. He is now the candidate for the Libertarian Party. Like most candidates, his opinion has changed over the years.
The Libertarian party explicitly states abortion is a personal matter – not a state matter. As its name implies, the Libertarian Party believes in personal liberties.
I’ve pasted the Libertarian stance on abortion below. I believe that it is exactly what Hill would support. This is from their Platform on their website.
1.4 Abortion
Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.
Hey Dances…glad you arrived back in the den safely.
Wash Denver out of your hair and kick back in our great California air.
#846 Firebelle
When was the last time you used high heels and nylon? Let’s see, its been about 10 months ago for me when my daughter got married. And interesting enough, because she was married in a mountain meadow and I had on a long dress, the high heels and nylons never made it to the wedding.
BillieJo
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/user/home.aspx
When you get there and add it to your favorites…change the name to aaaBLOGTALKRADIO,
and it’ll always be at the top of your list.
WEEEEEEEEEEEEE have to stop this guy
CNN currently showing an interview with McCain – sort of autobiography.
Dem4hill,and SouthJersey,I posted over there-10acpuma
Hey I found these two youtubes of sarah palin that are great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV9rW25bT5o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWlzmWnZ_ek
Listen to her reference of Neanderthal men. Also, she supported ron Paul in the Primary’s. I think this says so much about her. I read ron Pauls book revolution and listened to him during the Republican debates and I really liked him. would say he is a compassionate conservative and is the Dennis kucinich of the conservative party. Not the Republican neo-cons, conservative two very different things.
I would reccomend anyone to read the book, it is short and to the point.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/no-we-wont
goanderson, lorelai, freddiebrown, elyinlosangeles and all others who are saddened by how things have turned out regarding Hillary Clinton. Chins up now and sing from your hearts the following:
Smile though your heart is aching;
Smile even though it’s breaking.
When there are clouds in the sky, you’ll get by.
If you smile through your fear and sorrow,
Smile and maybe tomorrow,
You’ll see the sun come shining through for you.
Light up your face with gladness,
Hide every trace of sadness.
Although a tear may be ever so near,
That’s the time you must keep on trying,
Smile, what’s the use of crying?
You’ll find that life is still worthwhile,
If you just smile.
Instrumental Interlude
That’s the time you must keep on trying,
Smile, what’s the use of crying?
You’ll find that life is still worthwhile
If you just smile
Hillary would be proud if you just keep on trying… keep on smiling. You have not heard the last of Hillary Clinton.
The mission now is to end Obama’s career… at least short term. After he loses then Hillary will be in the spotlight once again. The hope is that her friend John McCain will recognize her value as a part of his administration. That’s something to cheer for.
And in four years, who knows. Always keep in mind that everything happens for a reason.
Come on then, kids… let’s all smile
#829 SouthJerseyPUMA
At 2:17 minutes into the video, look at the hat of the woman (an admitted communist party member) and the button of Obama in the center of her hat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvcnQLZ1YTk&feature=email
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This can’t be real?
853 BillieJo
LOL.
I loved the Denver air, it was the drive through the desert that reactivated my chest thing.
I arrived home today. I’m so freakin’ tired but can’t fall asleep.
I’m really glad I got to meet you!
#856 bmw60
Stop what guy? Are you people really taking “Pewp” seriously?
Did you miss the point of all that?
As to the comments about James Carville being “old snakehead” and being whatever because he is married to Mary Matalin… this is ridiculous. Sorry, but we’ve got to move beyond painting people like that for who they choose to love. I am sure those two were the absolutely last people they thought they’d ever end up with. It was shocking when it happened, Carville and Matalin’s engagement and wedding, but now I am a better more mature person, and I think wherever love blooms and between whomever it blooms, is mostly good for the world and not bad. I wish them well…
Flagged the youtube video and posted at greta’s
#336 murphy on 08.30.08 at 3:01 pm
Hey Folks,
I’m here — just doing paperwork etc.
We have Murphy & Friends on tonight at 9pm eastern on
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/no-we-wont
Do call in!
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This is from Murphy’s post above
#854 halligan
When I was younger, I loved wearing Gunne Sax dresses with full skirts, ruffles, and lace. And I got criticized for that because it wasn’t mainstream.
But, dear friend whose son is also a firefighter, picture me stuffing those full skirts and ruffles into turnout pants. I did it. However, it’s far more practical responding to emergencies in slacks. And I don’t attract as many stares.
I am with Snowtiger, I felt the guy was making fun of the mess, in some sort of sensible non-sensical not very nice way… this is of course referring to the PEWP video. Sometimes we must look deep, very deep, for the sarcasm…
maxgrader – love those lyrics. Barbra Streisand re-released that song on the day she had to put her beloved Sammy the maltese to sleep. I think of that every time I hear those lyrics -especially since I’ll probably face that in the coming year.
It seems like to me, everything is looking like I’m viewing life through a “prism of loss” and it scares me.
But thanks for reminding me. I usually get complimented on my smile and my “bubblyness” which generally annoys me, but I guess it an be an attribute.
Satire people.
Main Entry:
sat·ire Listen to the pronunciation of satire
Pronunciation:
\ˈsa-ˌtī(-ə)r\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle French or Latin; Middle French, from Latin satura, satira, perhaps from (lanx) satura dish of mixed ingredients, from feminine of satur well-fed; akin to Latin satis enough — more at sad
Date:
1501
1 : a literary work holding up human vices and follies to ridicule or scorn 2 : trenchant wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or folly
oops-CAN be an attribute….Anna – where are you to help me correct me?
#863 DancesWithPumas
Glad to have met you too. I hated the Denver Air, it sucked me dry and not enough oxygen. Felt like I was 200 years old and looked like it too.
MURPHY< there is no link on blogtalkradio/no-we-won’t site for tonight’s show. There is only a link to tomorrow nights show…
862 wontbackdown
Don’t believe everything you see, even if it’s on youtube.
It’s a bot video.
There is only a No We Won’t link to the Sunday show that Sheri had said wasn’t existing. Not one for today??
BROOKLYN
WriteHillaryIn.com is also a PUMA site and I also am a member.
Your post, “write Hillary in is counted as a vote for Obama”, please name one state that does so, and post that states rules.
To my knowledge that’s a myth.
It will either be counted as a protest vote, or a vote for Hillary.
869 deadgirlsrise
Thanks deadgirl,
Just think of all those dimwits walking around with a tag saying” I am A pewper “(pooper) or “I Pewp” (poop).
I thought the video was brilliant and that guy has some nerve to walk around doing that.
LOL SNOWTIGER, for the definition of SATIRE< I knew I was on to something…
“in a sort of sensible non-sensical not so nice way”
#875 BillieJo:
Thanks. Sorry everyone. I didn’t realize it was some more of that sicko satire.
Sociopaths, anyone?
Zogby: Palin ends B0’s convention bump – Mccain ahead
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/and-palin-gives-mccain-a-boost-in-zogby-poll/
You might want to go to gretawire at fox. gretawire.com. She has a thread up asking if people believe that pumas are real.
#859 beverl leslie on 08.30.08 at 8:50 pm
Great videos on Palin. I like her. She is cool. I like her view of Independence and the party line. She is very fresh and up beat. good attitude. I wonder maybe we should give Alaska the freedom of choice to decide if htey want to drill for oil. who I am in Mass to say they can not drill.
She seems a very down to earth practical person with a lot of common sense. She would make a great President. She is ready to lead. Good for her. I can live with her common sense practical choices. She is very much in favor of America.
McCain found a winner. Good for John to have the leadership to pick Sarah.
I will remain a democrat but I feel good about voting for john and sarah this one election. we must stop obama.
Notyoursweetie… Thanks for the info… now I would call that not so much of a bump after all, that was more like a … oh, I can’t say that here… nevermind
#879 deadgirlsrise
You have it pegged. I’ll admit a I had a knee jerk reaction tothe video at first. The when he asked the communist for her hat it hit me.
Rofl. “How can you believe in private property and be a communist?”
The damn thing is hilarious once you get it.
“I am a pewper” and those half wits were walking around wearing the label.
That guy has a pair of steel ones , I’m saying.
874 deadgirlsrise
“Meet Me In Denver” is a done deal. We already met in Denver.
Meanwhile, Sheri Tag, Murphy, and RiverDaughter will be on Sheri’s program tomorrow night. The three of them are great together. I’d love to see them co-host all the programs.
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BillieJo
It’s difficult going from sea level to a mile high environment. Takes time to acclimate.
I loved driving through mountains with trees.
It was 106 all the way through the desert yesterday!
#782 The reason Dems keep repeating the “Palin is pro life” mantra is because they are all men. The Dems don’t know what women think, they don’t know what women want, because they don’t ask and they don’t care. They just have their little clique of misogynist men sit around and make crap up and then try to tell us what we think and want but can’t figure out what the problem is when women voters tell them to go to hell.
Also remember that the Dems have done nothing to insure reproductive rights. That is because working state by state would actually take real work and then if they solved the problem of unwanted pregnancy they would not have the issue to threaten women with.
I am serious, I do not want to hear one more male Dem or their controlled women threaten me with Roe v Wade. In fact do not threaten me with anything. If they want to discuss reproductive rights then tell me what the Dems have accomplished for me and what else they plan to do. Otherwise shut up male Dems.
Notyoursweetie – thanks -needed that tonight, as well as Maxgrader’s lyrics.
Yeah, Snowtiger, the guy had guts, I’d be too afraid of getting my @55 kicked to try something like that!
Kelligesq
write in’s for President are not allowed in the State of South Carolina.
825 Lorelai ~~~ I would hope that Obama would be about the LAST thing I would throw away my 25 years for!!!!
#889 deadgirlsrise
Oh agreed. I give the dude kudos +++.
I’m still laughing. “I’m a pewper.” Hahahaha!
I’m a pewper your a pewper wouldn’t you like to be a pewper too?
Thanks Dances, Murphy had posted the show was tonight and for us to call in…
WOMEN….let’s get real about abortion.
First, it will NEVER be overturned. Roe v. wade defines privacy rights, it is constitutionally protected, and it is here to stay.
Second, UNDER Democratic leadership poor women’s access to abortion has been HIGHLY eroded. Waiting periods, lack of clinincs, etc., etc….
Third, I have a challenge to all women in the world. STOP HAVING SEX WITH MEN for FOUR YEARS. Just DO IT. Then we will not have to worry about it AND EVEN BETTER this will teach them a lesson or two about withholding jack from us.
Also, there are PLENTY of women and men doctors who will ALWAYS provide abortions–legal or otherwise–because it is the right thing to do.
We cannot allow both the right AND the left to use us ANYMORE. LET US STAND TOGETHER AND SAY nothing could be worse than what the MSM and the DNC did to Hillary Rodham CLinton because she was a woman (and what they did to her they did to each of us) and we must PROTEST by BRING THE DNC DOWN TO THEIR HANDS AND KNEES.
We must MAKE SURE BO does not win, and the BEST way to do this is to vote McCain/Palin. The DNC knows this, and thus we will have to listen to 2 months of crap. BUT WE ARE SMARTER AREN’T WE…..
Whiners never win, but FIGHTERS DO. LET’S fight to win, let’s fight for HILLARY, let’s fight FOR AMERICA…..McCAIN PALIN PROTEST VOTE 2008!!
You stole our votes, our president and our DREAMS….BUT YOU WILL NOT STEAL OUR AMERICA!!
MCCAIN PALIN a vote for DEMOCRACY…a Vote for AMERICA…A vote for HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON!!
SeattleGirl, I am with you, Sister.
Living Grace – right you are – but its 28……but who’s counting? Resentment – re-sentiment – feeling the same old negative feelings over and over and over again. Lorelai- snap out of it!
#486 Murphy you sure made my day! Thanks!
Foul Don Fowler Amused by New Orleans Hurricane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrBus8ORR78
This is the former head of the DNC!!!
894 jenniforhillary
Cheers Janni,
Most people have been led to believe ROe v wade is an abortion decision. Its not. I believe what it says is that a persons body is their own. In order to overturn Roe v wade the supreme court will have to say the state owns your body.
If that were to happen the scotus would be reworked overnight and the decision overturned in a week.
Lorelai,
Way to go.
Hope the coming year will be better than you think.
By the way… I like your smile.
Nobody is threatening anybody about Roe v. Wade. Its a little paranoid to think so. Discussion requires that the facts be stated.
Here’s what one Democrat – Hillary Clinton – stands for in regard to abortion. She’s pledged to vote for Supreme Court judges who will support reproductive rights. McCain has sworn to support anti-abortion judges. Just follow the link for more.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm
I just saw that Andy and am disgusted! The good old boys also said that Palin is Quayle on steroids, just terrible and chosen only because she is female.
DISGUSTING!
The Dems are really atrocious now-a-days. Using a natural disaster to attack your opponents is childish. God is definitely not on their side.
#894 Jennifer and also deadgirlrise… Right we need to bring the Dem establishment to their knees. Even then they won’t actually care about women’s issues but they will care about their own loss of power so they might listen. No more of this Abortion litmus test crap.
Ooops Murphy, #426 not #486. (It’s cocktail time in CA. numbers all look alike.)
Please see what Greta Van Susteren asks her bloggers below. We all need to go there and use the puma website as the url to show we are real
August 30th, 2008 7:58 PM Eastern
PUMA..
by Greta Van Susteren
Do you think PUMA (”Party Unity My A**) is real? meaning that there are a substantial number of Democrats who are still angry over the Democratic nominee? or do you think the Democratic Party NOW has UNITY? that those originally unhappy with the nominee have now come to terms with the situation and fully support Senator Obama?
Check out the video below…and yes, it could be posted by one person…and have no (yes, zero) impact…or it could have the support of some..or even many…what is it? watch and comment..
Everywhere I’ve been today, every MAN I talked with and half the women told me that Palin was the wrong pick, but it doesn’t matter; that there’s no way that any of Hillary’s supporters would ever cross over and vote McCain/Palin and that I am a racist bigot if i don’t support the “One”. I finally blew up and said, “Well, I’m sorry. but I’m gonna be a murderer to if you don’t STFU and I’ll vote for whoever I damn well think is the best choice, keeping in mind that it’s country first, and BS later.”
Maxgrader and LivingGrace – thanks for the support – I don’t think I’ll actually “drink” but it’s the “stinkin’ thinkin’” that gets me in trouble and with #61, it’s easy to be negative all too often!
(I do have a nice smile btw…..that’s why I lol all the time!!!!)
p.s. it’s better than that stupid emoticon, I think!
894 jenniforhillary
Agree re: roe v wade.
Stop sleeping with men until the sexism /misogyny stops. It won’t take 4 years either. 8 weeks should do it. They’ll be up day and night writing letters, making phone calls, to media and politicians, and straightening out their own selves too.
That’s what the women of New Zealand did in order to get woman-positive legislation passed. It took only 6 weeks of abstinence.
If any one is Internet savvy can you take a look at this web site and see if the information is true. It’s about Bo’s camp starting smear websites. This is the first time I was on this site so I don’t know how reputable it is.
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/08/busted-obama-camp-behind-palin-smear.html
#906 barbe on 08.30.08 at 9:21 pm
Please see what Greta Van Susteren asks her bloggers below. We all need to go there and use the puma website as the url to show we are real
August 30th, 2008 7:58 PM Eastern
PUMA..
by Greta Van Susteren
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Here is what I posted on Greta’s site, she took a photo of Greenfun and I in Denver….
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Hi Greta, you wonder if PUMAs are real, if we have the numbers to make a difference in this election?
I am a PUMA, as a matter of fact- if you check your little digital camera you were using in Denver you will find my photo and one of my fellow PUMAs on it. We were walking down the street of Denver, talking to some delegates we met when you walked up on the corner and took a photo of us. We were covered in Hillary regalia and I think we were also carrying a life size cut out of Hillary with us at that time. We knew who you were and just watched you, then later when we said, “Hi Greta”, you just smiled and walked away.
I am sure you saw plenty of PUMAs with Hillary signs in Denver but we were very small in number compared to the millions of us on over 300 websites. Check out our website at http://blog.pumapac.org/ or the umbrella site for PUMAs at http://justsaynodeal.com/index2.html
You can click on any of the sites listed there and get a sense of if we are real or not.
Too bad you are on Fox Greta, I used to love to listen to you during the OJ Trial and you were my favorite. I will probably vote for a republican this year for the first time in my life to protest the corruption this year in the Democratic Party. I am still a Hillary supporter, she is and always will be my JFK.
#901 No, abortion law is not that simple. Roe v Wade is regarding federal law, if it is overturned it does not make abortion illegal everywhere in the USA. It simply turns the matter back to the states to decide. And many states have decided that it is legal and have laws in place already. The line of crap the Dems are pushing is a lie.
Here is one website with information by state. There are probably others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States
#847 halligan
Great post. This is an important issue.
brother2040 the GIST of all this, is, we women know this issue well, many if not most moderate feminist women are no longer abortion rights issues voters. Barack Obama’s cynical corruption changed the nature of how we vote. COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY.
Circa early 1990’s “it’s the economy stupid”
Ca. 2008 “hey stupid women, it ABORTION isn’t IT?”
DeadGirl Aug 30 2008
IT’S THE COUNTRY, STUPID
#907 LivingGrace
Wow, I had just the opposite, or close enough to it. Everyone except “O”s supporters loved the idea of Palin.
The main topic was they never thought an “Old Guard” republican” like McCain would have the nerve to bring a woman on board.
Also the general consensus is he just won the election.
As a Gulf Coast PUMA, I find the Democratic leadership to be digusting and highly offensive to turn something as terrible as a hurricane into a political issue. I despise the DNC leadership and wish I could vote McCain/Palin a million times in November.
893 deadgirlsrise
Cool!
I’ve been in and out. I should have stated that my info wasn’t current. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused.
Is Murphy’s show on blogtalk or NQ?
#868 firebelle
That’s would be quite a picture (ruffles into turnouts). LOL
bahahahaha, what a naughty PUMA I am. I just downloaded fleetwood mac as the ringtone on my phone. It can’t ring in public without people immediately associating it with Bill clinton!!!!!! HAHAHA
Hello Puma’s.. I promised a few Puma’s that I would post any information that I had on Hurrican Gustav. I pulled the short straw, so I am working the evening shift for the disaster today. I will be able to post in the AM again tomorrow.
In Texas we have mandatory evacuations in Jefferson and Orange Counties starting at 6:a.m. tomorrow morning. All special needs population started evacuating today in Jefferson, Orange and Hardin counties. The shelter’s, so far, are in Austin, Lufkin and San Antonio Texas.
Unfortunately, I do not have much on LA.. but if you are needing to get on a bus to leave New Orleans, you can go to http://www.wwltv.com for a list of bus locations.
If you should need anything or have questions, please dial phone number 2-1-1!!
Be safe PUMA’s
ah well, i guess everyone was in a good debate or no one thinks it’s as cool as I do. But, that’s okay.
Billiejo #912.
I read that. I go to gretawire a lot. They don’t hold back your comments to check them out before posting them. I don’t like being censored. Thats for going there. I do want everyone to know that we will not fall in line and vote for their boy
Hello Dances,
Love the artwork above, better to have a caricature of BO than his actual face
#910 DancesWithPumas on 08.30.08 at 9:24 pm
894 jenniforhillary
Agree re: roe v wade.
Stop sleeping with men until the sexism /misogyny stops. It won’t take 4 years either. 8 weeks should do it. They’ll be up day and night writing letters, making phone calls, to media and politicians, and straightening out their own selves too.
That’s what the women of New Zealand did in order to get woman-positive legislation passed. It took only 6 weeks of abstinence.
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That is great! Wish I had a boyfriend or husband right now so I could make him suffer for the cause.
#901 Brother : I don’t appreciate being called paranoid. I have already had all the verbal abuse I care to take from the Dems. Here is what I know, the Dems need to talk about what they plan to do regarding reproductive rights and stop telling their Roe v Wade lie. I live in Washington state so it makes no difference to me if Roe v wade is overturned or not.
Here are a few other things the dems can talk about to this paranoid woman.
How they plan to give me a non sexist oh!, I mean a non allegedly sexist MSM.
How they plan to make sure female candidates can run for office with out being told to sit down and shut up by their own party because their success threatened their unqualified male candidate.
#912 correction. Thanks for going there. Boy my fingers are faster than my mind and they don’t seem to meet in the middle
PUMA ALERT
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We hope to have them resolved by Wednesday’s scheduled broadcast.
We apologize for the delay in communicating the cancellation.
HELLO MARYLAND!!!!!!!!
Wow, I have been reading some responses at gretawire to the “is puma real” question. She seems to be getting a earfull. Thanks pumas
#925 BillieJo
Ladies. Stop that. Its not fair. Particularly since I only came here to meet chicks.:)
Snowtiger running for cover.
Go post some comments on this Fox News essay on Sarah Palin. They want to know what Hillary voters might do.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/30/palin-vp-pick-not-guaranteed-to-earn-mccain-female-voters/
Hi Maryland,
You look good in ‘basic bold’.
Dear [name]:
I was made aware of this through a blog. It contains the former DNC chairman attacking the GOP by saying that the hurricane proves that God is on their side. This is the same thing that Michael Moore said. Outrageous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrBus8ORR78
Sincerely,
[name]
I just sent this email to Greta, Bill, and Hannity. This is not acceptable.
went to Gretawire and posted something…and didn’t realize they would use my actual name….any way to get that deleted? I misread the privacy agreement methinks.
Thanks Maryland Puma for the update on the show. Thought I was going crazy for a minute…well, maybe for more than a minute.
#910 That is funny, and men never change because that was the plot of a Greek play (Lysistrata) which is thousands of years old and still relevant today!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysistrata
Hillary hater from UK gets it about PUMA
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/hillary-hater-gets-it/
TOPIC: Steal This if You Like It
When I got a DNC email today asking for donations, here is what flowed out of my hands to my keyboard as reply:
On Subject Line_____
Caucus Fraud + Sexism + Race Card + Intimidating Delegates = Stolen Election
In Message Content:
Stolen Election + Disenfranchised Voters = McCain in November.
#198
Well, I guess sexists won’t change over night but I will join you in fighting them. Some are so stupid and some hate Hillary so much they think they’re giving Gov. Palin compliments with their disgusting remarks. The best revenge is good living: wait till she gets elected!
TOPIC: Bill Maher
Hillary2008: you were right, my kids told me what MILF means & I was disgusted. Bill Maher stopped impressing me a while ago, tho. Last week on Larry King he bragged how he liked the Recession because “I get better restaurant service.” Completely oblivious or insensitive to lower & middle class America. Arrogant, like Obama.
“I raise this objection to debate the process, and protect the integrity of the true will of the people. ”
~ Stephanie Tubbs-Jones
#939 hillstheone
Done in true Cynthia form! You go girl! lol
Hillstheone- I LOVE IT!
“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world.
Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”
Used on Greta’s blog
#33AsianforHillary – Very intelligent post, as usual.
Caucus Fraud + Sexism + Race Card + Intimidating Delegates = Stolen Election
In Message Content:
Stolen Election + Disenfranchised Voters = McCain in November.
Thank I will use it!
N1313- that’s the quote I use in my leadership class – by Margaret Mead. My all time favorite!
Good nite all- afraid I’ve lost my mental edit button and am afraid I will get myself in trouble. Have a good nite.
((((pumas)))))
Good evening fellow Pumas,
I just wanted to weigh in on a couple of themes I have noticed in the last couple of days:
I agree that we should use the word “Puma” in the name of the new Democratic Party. The Puma brand has been established, it is easy to use and remember and many people know what it stands for – at least in a generic way after the efforts made by the coalition in the last two months.
I also think we need to do something as a group to target MSNBC in particular – for their continued sexist comments, this time regarding Palin.
Again you guys should check out gretawire. So many responses from PUMAS. She will never have to ask if puma is real again.
#887 Seattlegirl
#894 jenniforhillary
Both excellent Posts.
The “abortion issue” has been the single most “important issue” we are allowed to assert our rights to “protect” suring every election.
Between both parties, they have created the perfect political divide of the women’s vote.
The pro-life stance appeals to the more religious sector with the mantra of “moral authority”. The pro-choice appeals to the less “traditional” sector with the mantra of “the protection of the woman’s right to have control over her body”.
Whatever our position, how long is this going to be the ring in our noses to lead us to one party pasture or the other – the carrot before the bit in our mouths – the threat of losing one long, hard-fought stance if we push too hard to expand our voices to gain greater influence in the election process or the greater issues we face?
How many years has it taken for home-builders to get it that women should have a voice in where the utility room should be, how big the panty, or that the upper cabinets shouldn’t take a man to reach the extra pitcher.
Unwanted pregnancy prevention isn’t brain surgery, rocket science or a “presidential issue”.
whoever put up the hillaryhater gets it, thanks…
Here’s an awesome video from Clintondems…. (if you just need your heart warmed)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kfZLuI1wqg
And I just want to brag one more time on downloading “don’t stop thinking about tomorrow” onto my phone. You CAN’T be 30 or older and NOT associate it with Big Dawg and to me it is a public way of saying: ALERT ALERT DEMOCRAT IN REVOLT.
I swear, we have a Dem nominating convention next week for a local office. I think I may set up to have someone call me during the convention, just so it will go off.
I’ve decided that although I resigned my positions because i refuse to unify and I can’t take the pressure of maintaining an office and not unifying that I will continue to go to Dem events and shake them up and work like hell to make DAMN sure this NEVER happens again, especially when we voted for Clinton as voters and our governor, state party chairman, and other leaders f-ing left us all in the cold with their kool-aid drinking (in the form of a champagne brunch for unity)on the front page of the paper.
hello everyone
#931 snowtiger
You are too funny. Maybe you should change your name to BigBoy Snowtiger so we could be more watchful. 
#925 BillieJo
Ladies. Stop that. Its not fair. Particularly since I only came here to meet chicks.:)
Snowtiger running for cover.
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barbe what is the link?
Seatle Girl – You say that the dems are arguing crap about the Roe vs. Wade issue. Need I remind you that our candidate, Hillary Clinton, is one of those Dems who believes that Roe vs. Wade is essential!
We’re made at the Dems. But, that doesn’t mean that we’re now Republicans. At least I’m not.
#824 Halligan, you are great. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I am going to email you right now. Ohio can’t let this happen. WE can’t let this happen. What went through their heads when they changed this Voter ID law?
#926 Seattlegirl-I’ve been getting logging errors due to traffic lately so I’ll see if I can even get one post one. I read some of your comments earlier and told my husband, “Yup, us Washingtonians do NOT like being told what to do or what to think.” I love the PEMCO commercials. “We’re like you; a little bit different.” If you don’t see me post again, know that you have another Washingtonian in your corner.
#956 brother2040
oh my! i think i may have found someone that i can agree with tonight!!
Check out this link. experience of Palin vs Obama. And Obama is running for president? Go figure
http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/aug/30/tale-of-the-tape-sarah-palin-vs-barack-obam/
A post from a blogger.
(Palin) A much more exciting choice than Obama’s. And I wouldn’t worry about a Palin/Biden debate…..have you ever won an arguement with a woman?
#956 brother2040
Exactly! Voting for one pro-Israel Republican ticket does not mean I am Republican or that I am ready to switch parties. But if the Dem Leaders don’t get their acts together soon…
i think the experience is a tie on both sides.
Previous post upstairs said:Greta wants to know if PUMAs are for real. Here’s the link:
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/
NEW dems, real dems DON’T VOTE for DEMOCRATS THIS YEAR!!
At least not for those that TRASHED HILLARY or did not support here…so your choice is few and far between.
PROTEST MISOGYNY, vote McCAIN PALIN….
Kelligesq , you said
“Hillary Voters for McCain-Palin”
I plan for the first time in my life to visit a Republican headquarters because I want a McCain/ Palin sign. Why?
Because I have a Hillary for President sign thats been in my front yard since January and I want to place the McCain sign right next to it. I don’t think words will be necessary.
i say real dems stay with the party, not a party individual.
just came back from McCain’s site. The trolls are definitely out in full force over there. Think their Moderator is probably working in overdrive right now.after dealing with them over here, they’re so easy to uncover–even the ones who think they’re sleuth.
Read a lot of congrats comments to Mac re: Palin. Overall, not as crude as Nobama’s blogs, that’s for sure.
Surprisingly, there’s quite a number of blogs from HRC supporters in the process of change— ‘orange Repubs’ …as I like to personally refer to us as and would again like to note that the color orange sits next Reds on color charts….complete opposite to the blues! (just had to toss this one in based on this morning’s comments about Hillary’s choice of color this past week)
Signed in over there using a different signature/name (since his one doesn’t now quite fit for Nov’08).
A little strange, but feel the need to be better informed about who I’ll be casting my “PROTEST VOTE”.
Always a proud Puma.
#959: Im not a republican, either…
I have never said that I would vote for McCain. And well where I live it’s not as difficult. Tennessee is now so republican that they sat at the back for the DNC and they will be seated at the back of the RNC, too. So, my write-in vote for Hillary (which will NOT go to Obama) will actually work in terms of not giving Obama a vote and there will be millions in TN to put McCain over.
Obama has stepped foot in this state maybe once. He’s going to lose TN by a landslide.
In fact I saw a map on Democracy for America’s website (pawn for Obama) that had the title 50-state strategy and Tennessee was RED. hahaha, so we’re so far gone (but I believe Hillary would have had a legitimate chance) that even in a 50-state Democratic map, they have us marked as Red.
Ironically, we can thank Donna Brazile for her total lack of a plan for Tennessee back in 2000.
Ohio DO NOT write in Hillary it will go to BHO
#965 jenniforhillary
the other problem with your advice is that republicans have been trashing hillary for many many years. so you can’t say you are against dems for trashing hillary.
934
This guy is up there with C Matthews on my BLACK list. I totally dislike him. I have written numerous letters to him. He made a you tube back in Feb. 08 on the Automatic delegates. He was so fearfull of chaos at the Convention.
This delegate is a professor who teaches American Politics in the Dept. of Political Science at the Univ. South Carolina. He is also a member of the Democratic National Committee Rules & Bylaws Committee. He wrote a “Unity” letter to all delegates before the DNC convention last week.
His remarks are disgraceful! No wonder the Democratic Party is falling apart!He must be one of the “good old boys”!
Has anyone seen this yet.. It’s terrible, insensitive interview with Keith Olberman and Michael Moore making fun of Gustav hitting Louisiana during the Republican Convention…. here is the link
http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2008/08/as_olbermann_gr.php
Just heard on TV on Fox, a lawmaker in Louisiana wants a public apology from these idiots. On top of this its
demeaning to woman and more just watch.. sick
#951 wontbackdown: What was your point?
wontbackdown: I don’t know.
wontbackdown: Are you just pissed off that the democratic party would use a billion dollars of American Voters’ money to turn our entire election process into a fraud upon the American Voter?
wontbackdown: Yep. It’s no longer about the “abortion issue”. It’s the threat to our democracy, stupid.
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wontbackdown wants to know if Greta is REAL?
Hi Pumas, I had a very busy day and I am trying to skim the blog could someone tell me here if the new democratic site has been put up yet? If the site isn’t up yet, when will it be ready?
Lorelei, Patti, go
hey I’m glad ya’ll liked it, maybe it’s the “little things” that will help the DNC figure out what picking the less-qualified candidate is all “adding up” to, ha…
#971: you are EXACTLY right about Repubs trashing Hillary… I was listening to local and national repub radio the day after each of the Clinton’s speeches and they were absolutely trashing her with fake crying and screaming “this was mine” and then doing mockery of bill in a ridiculous southern accent “I’m here to tell you to vote for…. what’s that boy’s name”
You are absolutely right about Repubs. TRUST ME if she were the nominee they would not be so nice.
#968 Hill4me:
let me re-state. I would never ever label myself a Republican. No way never. Just as I would never vote for O. My vote over there to the “orange” side is in Protest only.
The Huffington Post is going wild over Sarah Palin. Thousands of posts. I finally just had to point it out to the Obots there. Huffy keeps peoples comments in their Profile so you can see who the hard core Obots are. Here is my reply to one:
DaOne,
I see by your profile that you are a Obama Supporter who has been bashing Hilllary Clinton for some months now, calling her Shrillary and such. I wanted to let you know it does my PUMA heart good to see how upset you and the other Obamabots are over Governor Sarah Palin.
Keep those posts comming. Show how nasty and sexist you all really are.
HEY ALL~ SORRY I AM COMMENTING GRETA WITH A LONG REPLY!!!
tell me if i should send this plz???
Hello Greta!!
Don’t under estimate us PUMA’s Greta!!! there are many silent PUMA’s who have yet to realize they are in fact PUMA’s because they may not do the internet to be involved! I ran into Neil Cavuto when leaving Denver thursday night and as I told him, We WILL make a difference in THIS election and AFTER we will fight to fix a broken Party on how the DNC used corruption to win what was Hillary’s Presidential claim!!!!
What is a delegates job? they are sent by the constituents of a state to represent the people who voted for the candidate that won the state! In my state of NJ, Hillary won by 10%! And who were the delegates forced to vote for? OBAMA!!! Sen. Lautenberg took a $9,500 PACFUND contribution from Obama while Hillary only gave $2500 to him… gee, who do you think Lautenberg supported? BO! I ask if his support was bought?? I believe so!! Along with so many others who got enormous PAC contributions!!!!
The numbers dont add up Greata!!! Look at Texas!! Look at Iowa!! Nevada!!! it was all done by CAUCUS FRAUD!!!
And this is DEMOCRACY??? As our our son’s and daughter’s, sisters and brothers, fathers and mothers, fight and lose their life to give other countries DEMOCRACY~ WHO!!! I ask WHO is fighting to keep DEMOCRACY here in the UNITED STATES FOR THE PEOPLE????
Again, Please believe there are many PUMA’s across this country! When we walk with Hillary shirts or sign’s, there are many who yell Hillary, beep for Hillary, and stop to tak to us PUMA’s about what they can do to change the Dumbocratic Party for using the corruption and threat’s against Hillary’s delegates!!!
I am a PROUD P.U.M.A. Pac Member~ (People United Means Action) and I WILL PROTEST THE DNC & THE SELECTED NOMINEE by “MY” VOTE!!!! I WILL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!! THE DNC TREATED US LIKE WE ARE INVISIBLE!!!
WE WILL NOT BE INVISIBLE ANYMORE!!! WE ARE NOT COMING HOME HOWARD, NANCY & DONNA!!!
THIS SOUTHJERSEYPUMA WILL HAVE MY VOTE COUNT!! AND IT WILL COUNT WHEN I VOTE NOVEMBER 4th FOR THE McCAIN/PALIN TICKET!!!
I CAN DEAL WITH JOHN! He is American through and through!! Bo is not to me!! he didnt even use our country’s flag on anything he had!!! It was his own symbol which I saw as the sun rising on a new (different) America! He always pointed out the bad of America! He wouldnt even salute our flag Greta!!! or wear a flag pin!! Only when he was tanking in the polls and his love of America questioned, he put on a flag pin!!! TOO LATE BOZO!! COUNTRY FIRST GRETA!! IT HAS TO BE!! THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICE FOR ME!! NO ROCK STAR FOR PRESIDENT!!
I DID NOT WASTE MY TIME TO SEE HIS CORONATION~ BUT WAS THERE EVEN A SALUTE TO THE FLAG BEFORE IT STARTED? WAS THE ANTHEM PLAYED???
ALSO~ I am sick of the rumors that we, PUMA, are GOP funded or registered Repub’s!!! I AM A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT!!! I WAS APPALLED at the SEXISM and DISRESPECT for Sen Clinton when it started and then saw how they just pushed her out of the race with Pelosi saying “IF HILLARY DOESN’T END IT SHE WILL STEP IN AND END IT FOR HER!!” AND NO ONE STOOD UP TO REPORT ON THIS AND HOW WRONG IT WAS TO EVEN BE SAID FIRST OF ALL!!! As PO~ as that made me, I was so excited to see Hillary go on!! WINNING!!! then the numbers didnt match up FOR CAUCUS VOTES! Then there was the FLORIDA and MICHIGAN VOTERS that were only HALF AMERICAN IN THEIR VOTES!!! Delegates taken from Hillary and given to BO when he wasnt even on the ticket!!! ~ And when my Party disregarded my vote and took me for granted~ stealing the nomination for BO~ THAT’S WHEN THEY LOST MY VOTE!! AND THEN WHEN I LEARNED OF “ALL” THE FRAUD IT SEALED THE DEAL IN CONCRETE!!! AND I WONT GET STARTED ON HIS ASSOCIATIONS WITH THOSE LIKE AYERS, REV. WRIGHT, REZKO AND OTHERS!! WHO IS THIS GUY ANYWAY?? WHY DID HE HAVE TIES TO ALL THESE PEOPLE?? HE WANT TO STOP OUR DEFENSE SYSTEM?? WHAT?????????????????? NO WAY!!!!!!!! NOT IN THESE TIMES OF TERRORIST!!!!! HENCE FOR ME, KUDO’S FOR McCAIN!!! AND NOW THAT HE HAD THE GUTS TO PICK A WOMEN FOR VP, KNOWINGLY THAT HE WOULD CATCH SOME FLACK FOR IT, HAS ME
I am PUMA!!! and I WILL NEVER GIVE MY VOTE TO BO! HIS THUG CAMPAIGN AND SELECTED NOMINATION I WILL NOT CONDONE!!
I won’t even get started on his questionable citizenship!!! Or where he was truly born??? and the list could go on!! but I won’t~
PUMA’s are many Greta~ there is 18 million voices, Clintons for McCain, P.U.M.A. [Party Unity My A$$], Rise Hillary Rise, Hillary Clinton Forum Members, the list goes on~ they all agree on NObama!! And it doesnt take an army to change things or make a difference~ Look at the Suffragettes~ what if they didnt persist? what if they just gave up!! what if they allowed the men and other women that discouraged them by telling them to stop making fools of themselves, go back home, a woman’s place is behind her husband, and other sexist remarks from achieving their goals and what they believed in from occurring?? WHERE WOULD WOMEN BE TODAY???? THOSE WOMEN ARE MY HEROS!!!! THEY FOUGHT FOR MY RIGHTS!!
WE PUMA’s WILL NOT GO AWAY!!! WE WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR DEMOCRACY GRETA AND A BETTER DEMOCRATIC PARTY!! WE WILL VOTE OUT THE NO GOOD ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT DONT DO THE JOB WE THE PEOPLE SENT THEM TO DO HONESTLY AND FOR THE PEOPLE!! THEY SHOULD BE WORRIED!! WE WILL MAKE THE DIFFERENCE!! AND WHEN I FIND ANYONE TALKING BS ON PUMA AND OUR GOALS~ IT ONLY FUELS MY FIRE TO CONTINUE MY FIGHT FOR WHAT IS FAIR, RIGHTOUS, AND KEEPING DEMOCRACY ALIVE IN OUR WONDERFUL COUNTRY!!!
I am and was ONE in 18 MILLION for Hillary that WILL fight back!!! I AM AN AMERICAN AND MY VOTE WILL COUNT AND WILL NOT BE STOLEN OR DISREGARDED!!! IT IS MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT!!!
THANK YOU FOR READING MY POST~
respectfully,
SouthJerseyPUMA~
McCAIN/PALIN for President 2008!!!
P.U.M.A. PAC~ “DEFENDERS OF DEMOCRACY”
(northeast chapter)
#971 4hillary
It was the Dems trashing Hillary, buying and stealing her delegate votes that cost her the nomination.
BO is a cheat and a fraud and will be defeated in November.
OMG SOUTHJERSEYPUMA AT IT AGAIN…. Awesome!
Hi SouthJersey,
Just post it, why worry about length, it’s only a BLOG site on FOX news. I like it as it is because it is very AUTHENTIC, it is YOUR voice, YOUR roar, take it & fly.
p.s. Idea: if you want to, you can just take this part:
“What is a delegates job? they are sent by the constituents of a state to represent the people who voted for the candidate that won the state! In my state of NJ, Hillary won by 10%! And who were the delegates forced to vote for? OBAMA!!! Sen. Lautenberg took a $9,500 PACFUND contribution from Obama while Hillary only gave $2500 to him… gee, who do you think Lautenberg supported? BO! I ask if his support was bought?? I believe so!! Along with so many others who got enormous PAC contributions!!!!
The numbers don’t add up!!! Look at Texas!! Look at Iowa!! Nevada!!! it was all done by CAUCUS FRAUD!!!
PUMA’s are angry and so will others when McCain informs them of these illegal practices.”
& post it on John McCain’s website, hahaha!!
4HILLARY….
Any woman who stays with a party that FLLLKSS her is FLLLKED…
You can interpret that anyway you want but this is a NOBAMA site 24/7 and you are in VIOLATION OF THAT..
STOP TRYING TO CONVINCE US TO VOTE NOBAMA…
and, your reasoning is suspect…
I am NOT a democrat anymore, but I am a NEW democrat, because in addition to practicing RACISM and MISOGYNY this year, they SUBVERTED the CONSTITUTION and STOLE VOTES. This makes them liars, racists, sexists, and HYPOCRITES in the extreme.
STOP trying to get me on my knees because it won’t happen. IT IS A PROTEST VOTE. YA KNOW. SOMETIMES you have to drink vinegar to piss wine……
THE DNC is DEAD. Where have you been for the last year. To reward what they have done or CONDONE it by voting for it makes you YOUR OWN WORSE ENEMY. It reminds me of women who go back one more time and end of dead….
REAL Americans vote for ELECTED people, NOT selected people. REAL Americans condem lying, cheating and stealing. REAL Americans do not vote for REv. Wright, Rev. Pflegger, and Rev. Otis. REAL Americans do not condone 10 MILLION DOLLARS spent on PENIS issues. REAL AMERICANS do not ask us to vote for a lying sack of caca named Barack Hussein Obama. REAL Americans do not use Roe v. Wade to ENSLAVE women as if having the right to abort after a rape means WE ARE EQUAL or LIFE IS WORTH LIVING…
AND WOMEN, once and for all, WOMEN must stand up and DEMAND EQUALITY and SHOW THEM THAT WE MEAN BUSINESS…WE MUST STAND UNITED AND VOTE MCCAIN/PALIN!! NO BO…NO BS….NO NO NO NO NO!!
As Susan B. Anthony said, WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!
Headclunker,
I love it (Black Butte Porter raised to you right now)!
FERRARO FINALLY BACK ON FOX
I am naming myself: “REALTY LEADERSHIP STARVED”
HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON:
IF IT HASN’T CROSSED YOUR MIND TODAY, THERE ARE MILLIONS OF AMERICAN VOTERS WHO STILL BELIEVE IN YOU, RESPECT YOU, AND LOVE YOU DEARLY FOR YOUR PASSION AND COMMITMENT TO US, OUR FUTURES AND OUR COUNTRY. YOU DIDN’T FAIL US – THE PARTY SYSTEM DID.
Dem4Hillary,
No kidding, we need to plan a PUMA reunion in So Jersey someday, lol… Oh, and be sure to DIS-invite Bruce Springsteen (ROTFLMAO)..!
SARAH PALIN STARTED WITH THE PTA (FOX)
FLORIDA CONGRESSMAN (FOX) SARA HAS MANAGERIAL EXPERIENCE OBAMA AND BIDEN DON’T HAVE
FOX INTERVIEW OVER AGAIN . . .CUT FOR COMMERICIAL
Have you heard what THESE HORRIBLE DEMOCRATS have been saying about Hurricane Gustav??
Michael Moore: Hurricane Coming During GOP Convention ‘Proof There Is a God in Heaven’
http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20080830000004.aspx
AND THIS!!!!!!!
Breaking: Dems Caught on Tape Joking About Hurricane! “God’s on Our Side…”
“On the way to the GOP Convention, RedState’s Erick Erickson happened to sit behind National Chairman of the Democratic National Committee Don Fowler and Congressman John Spratt of South Carolina. What they joked about is very disturbing …”
http://townhall.com/blog/g/11c5c3a8-6cdf-44a4-9511-45eb8edb8ce9
I think this is DISGUSTING!! Many people have already died from this horrible storm and now Gustav is threatening the lives and homes of America, and could cost our nation billions of dollars during such trying times. I think it’s a category 5 now, or it will be.
#981 EWard
republicans have been trashing the clintons since the 70’s, including an impeachment. so the notion of voting for a republican because of unfair treatment by democrats does not make sense to me.
“i say real dems stay with the party, not a party individual.”
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and i say I do not, will not, cannot dedicate my allegiance to a corrupt party that has undermined the political process.
980 SouthJerseyPUMA
You go girl.
I approve this message
TOPIC: dogs, pigs, half a beer & dying laughing already:
Vonay on 08.30.08 at 12:05 pm
I don’t care if McCain picked a pig or a dog to run with him, I am voting for him to “make a statment” to the DNC
#980 Thank you for taking the time to tell it like it is!Well written- I say send it, but are we allowed to use the PUMApac signature? I usually just use PUMA on my emails so as not to infringe on Murphy’s rights or whatever. Anyone else ? you on that?
@ # 991
It’s the third year anniversary of Katrina.
#894 and 984, Jenniforhillary, once again you rock.
Pumas,
I want to know exactly how we will be able to force a change in the DNC. The literal removal of Dean, Pelosi, Kennedy, Reid, Brazille, ETC. I saw on a ticker on Fox news, as they were replaying Saddleback that Michael Moore says that Gustav proves that there is a god in heaven, in reference to the timing of the storm hitting during the RNC Convention. This is deplorable, & atrocious. A former DNC chairman said Gustav proves god is on the side of the Democrats, as the storm will hit during the RNC Convention. Two different people, saying very similar things. Coincidence? I think not. This is more proof of the corruption of the DNC. I did not like it when the far right used god for their cause to say that storms or aids was His punishment against Liberals, Feminists, & Gays.
So I want to know, Exactly how we seriously can get them out of power and repair the damage?
#992 4Hillary:
It makes perfect sense to me because the Democrats STABBED HER IN THE BACK!
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We are over 1000 posts, please take us upstairs!!!!!!!!!!
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#991 kat in your hat
what goes around comes around.
ever seen the “Obama Pray For Rain Video” when the Focus for the Family people asked members to pray and have Obama’s nomination speech rained out? here is a link:
http://www.mahalo.com/Obama_Pray_For_Rain_Video
y’all know what, I think Big Dawg went off script. They posted Bill’s speech on HRCs site and it’s 25:10 and HRCs speech is 27 something.
Reports were that Bill was pissed because Obama didn’t want him to talk at all about his previous administration. I bet he just said f-it and did at least 1/2 of what he wanted to.
#993 DANCES
“and i say I do not, will not, cannot dedicate my allegiance to a corrupt party that has undermined the political process”
BRAVO . . JUST GOT BACK FROM CHURCH. A FRIEND WANTED TO KNOW WHAT “PROBLEM” I HAD WITH OBAMA. AFTER A FEW ITEMIZED ISSUES, HE INTERRUPTED ME AND SAID “I Just don’t understand how you could ever vote McCain” I answered him like you did, but you said it so much more eloquently. We agreed to disagree, but I felt like a didn’t even make a dent. Some people are so blind. He didn’t even KNOW that CA passed at the convention.
I am completely offended by this… my state is working very hard to make sure that we do not lose any lives in this disaster… and for those individuals to joke about this??? There are no words that can describe how I feel.
#993 DancesWithPumas
i respect your choice and thank you for respecting mine. maybe someday i will feel the same. right now i think this country is facing more important problems. there is corruption in both parties so my vote is going to what i think is best for me.
#200 Larry Rules:
You need to provide PUMA’s w/the name of your Congressperson & let us tell them what we think of unethical voting practices in your state. We can cc our own Reps at the same time.
I wanted to share this idea from one of my friends who is a Hillary supporter and who has also worked tirelessly for HRC’s campaign. She is encouraging the members of her LA group to switch from the Democratic party to “Non-affiliated” (in CA, that is the Independent option). They plan on doing this at the same time and sending a letter to the DNC.
992~ 4HILLARY
I STILL QUESTION YOUR “PUMA” CREDENTIALS!!
I THINK YOU ARE NOT ONE OF US~
AND NOT BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT VOTING JM~ BUT THINGS YOU SAY IN YOUR POST!
4Hillary, asking for rain is not like asking for the most powerful natural disaster known to man: the hurricane, especially not one that has already killed so many people, and WILL cause massive damage in the USA.
These people are supposed to be democrats–sensitive to the plight of those who suffer, and it’s BS.
Especially DON FOWLER, National Chairman of the Democratic National Committee.
#1009 LaureyPuma
Hi Laurey!
I switched on June 3rd to American Independent, CA
#1002 4Hillary on 08.30.08 at 10:36 pm
What goes around comes around? I am a Gulf Coast Puma and I find your remarks highly offensive. This hurricane is a killer and it is REAL. You should be ashamed of yourself and banned from this site. I’m sick of your consistent hateful remarks. Take yourself to a Nobama site. It seems you fit in there.
I’m waiting for the post upstairs to open, Murphy…
#1006 nativegirl
consider the source. i ignore everything michael moore says.
Hello Pumas,
Good to be back from Denver! I see a lot of new faces here. Welcome all.
Hi to all my fellow Denver Pumas. Glad to see you all made it back OK. I hope you were not as exhausted as I was. I actually slept until 12:30 today.
#1009 LaureyPuma
Do you know if you can still vote in primaries? I wonder if the DNC would even care?
#1013 Sisterluck
i was referring to the comments made by lunatics on both sides, nothing more. i don’t think anyone here has the power to summon rain or hurricanes.
re# 978
IF she were the candidate..
IF… but shes not..
..its the republicans who have a woman as a candidate..
#1013 Sisterluck
but if you really are offended then don’t vote for the party that watched a thousand people die on TV. the news organizations were on the ground and FEMA was absent.
texaspony
I am with you whole heartedly on your post. After growing up in a solidly small town Democratic household I finally found myself so disgusted with the similar comments of the DNC, Michael Moore, and the rest of their ilk that I changed my party affiliation. I did not want to be associated with that type of mentality.
I may not agree 100% with the other side, and they make their fair share of mistakes too, but I refuse to belong to any party who makes a “God” out of Michael Moore and NOclueBama while stepping on the backs of QUALIFED women to get ahead.
I personally think that until the DNC gets out of Hollywood and back into small to mid-size American cities to talk to the people they claim to represent that the DNC will continue to be a lost cause.
New to this site I just found ya’ll today but so far I am loving what I am reading and agree with the majority.
Hi Goanderson, it was great to meet you in Denver. I switched a while ago also , but I am non-affiliated.
New thread up.
Please read the opener to help with the tone of the blog.
Celebrate.
Take it upstairs.
#1021 LaureyPuma
I enjoyed meeting you as well. What is your state?
I can still vote in the GE for anyone I want.
4Hillary
Careful . . .As Murphy says “Be wonderful to each other . With Gustav and the travesty at the convention, all of us are on emotional overload. We need to support one another
#1018 4Hillary on 08.30.08 at 10:47 pm
First off, praying for rain is a little different than laughing about a horrendous hurricane and praying it hits at a certain time for political reasons. Your comments are consistently offensive and don’t ever tell me how to vote.
Pamawo: you asked me on Thursday to post the Jimmy Carter address that I have used in the past to contact him. I saw later that day that Ladyhawke posted his address. I hope you saw it. I think I wrote to him at his library in Atlanta, and I believe that was the address she posted. I only kept his reply to me and his letterhead just says Jimmy Carter, Plains, Georgia.
For those interested in thorough discussion of sexism & feminist issues as relates to Hillary, politics, the media, Palin and the election – you may want to visit
http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/
In addition to their own blog, they provide links to other sites for Hillary and other sexism/feminist content focused sites. They also have an archive of the blog posts on the right – scroll down the page.
I didn’t spend alot of time on the site, but in scanning it appeared to be a place that might be a good fit for some on this PUMA site who are interested in assertive debates on specific topics.
I ended up at their site because when visiting another site HillaryGreenMountain.com, I was attracted to a graphic on the right side of the home page. It wasn’t just the words / phrase supporting Hillary (in fact several products out there have the same phrase) – but it was the colors & design which I really liked. So I did an Internet search until I located the site with those Hillary product designs and discovered it was a blog.
The tag line on the products that attracted me said:
Don’t Blame Me I voted for Hillary. One of 18,000,000
Testing! Is anyone else having problems posting?
Female bodybuilders on MSNBC right now.
Is anyone else having problems with this site?
How about a one word prowl to every sexist in the media-
PIG!!!
With a cc to their network and their sponsors.
Tonight my thoughts and prayers are for all those in the path of this latest hurricane.
May you all be safe and near your loved ones.
We will all be here for you when the skies clear.
Have faith — the skies WILL clear.
Peace to all tonight.
Considering the way Palin wiped the floor with her entrenched and “experienced” Republican and Democrat opponents for the governorship, the BO team has some hard lessons on the way. Heh.
HERE ARE MORE VIDEO’S ON FRAUD~ PUMAS FROM DENVER IN THESE ALSO~
http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm
HILLARY SUPPORTER NOWHERE TO GO. I JUST CANNOT VOTE FOR OB.
4hillary
Take BO’s message back to your pod. You are on the wrong website.
@787
That is a slander they were cooking at kos yesterday. I caught the first diary – which admitted they had no evidence but was asking the mob whether to go with it anyway
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/anatomy-of-a-slander/
I’m guessing there are more silent Democrats that will be voting for McCain than the media knows about or cares about. The majority of Democrats in my district wouldn’t vote for Obama on a bet. Not because of Hillary or corruption in the primaries but because of his 20 year association with a church and pastor that hates this country. People fear him. I’ve known most of the people in my district for many, many years and they all say the same thing about Obama (as do most districts in our surrounding area). Also, most people (me included) hang up on anyone taking political surveys. You participate once and you are hounded constantly for money until after the elections. Don’t know where these polls are taken but I have doubts about the results.
blessings,
valleywitch
blessings,
valleywitch
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