Goodbye Howard Dean. Goodbye Barack Obama. Goodbye Nancy Pelosi. Goodbye Donna Brazile. You have not only lost the White House for the Democratic Party. Today you have brought the Democratic Party to the brink of irrelevancy altogether. John McCain has played you all like a piano.
Today we say GOODBYE to the OLD Democratic Party. The OLD Democratic Party has led us to DISASTER. John McCain and Sarah Palin will win in November by a landslide.
TODAY, August 29th 2008, Puma PAC has started a new political party:
THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY
We have a website launching tonight. at www.thenewdemocraticparty.org
and www.ndp.org
We will be modeled on Alice Paul’s National Woman’s Party. We will NOT be running candidates. We WILL be endorsing candidates.
We will be the Party for All Disaffected Democrats who are FINISHED WITH THE OLD DEMOCRATIC PARTY. We are NOT Republicans, though millions of us will vote McCain/Palin in November.
Our Platform is the Platform of the TRUE Democratic Party
- Healthcare for All
- Equal Rights for women, LGBT, and people of color
- Reproductive Rights
- Worker Protections
- Envmtl Protections
- Fair Immigration Policy
- Help for working class college students
- Good public schools
WE MUST PREVENT A REPUBLICAN TAKEOVER OF THE ELECTORATE. WE NEED A POLITICAL PARTY FOR ALL THE MILLIONS WHO WANT TO BOLT THE DEMS AFTER TODAY’S FIASCO.
Please JOIN US. We NEED the Platform and Principles of GOOD DEMOCRATIC VALUES now MORE THAN EVER. We MUST STAY UNITED AS A DEMOCRATIC VOTING BLOC OR WE COULD LOSE EVERYTHING.
To Join the New Democratic Party, please send an email with your name and state today to newdemparty@pumapac.org
Listen in tonight to the Lion’s Share on No We Won’t Radio with Sheri Tagg. Riverdaughter and I will join her to talk about today’s events and where we go from here.
www.blogtalkradio.com/no-we-wont
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848 jody in florida
“Yes, unless the Republicans reclaim the House.”
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INCORRECT
First , she would appoint a new VP
Then , to remove her , she would have to be impeached , then the new vp would be pres ..
Murphy – Please explain how the new org/web site you note at the top of the thread is or isn’t connected to PUMApac. I’m confused.
count me in from Montana…my family all plan to vote for McCain after this brilliant choice of VP….
Murphy , will we still be Pumas ?
Murphy – are you shutting down this site???
#861 TexasTigress on 08.29.08 at 1:54 pm
First , she would appoint a new VP
Then , to remove her , she would have to be impeached , then the new vp would be pres ..
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So then, the new Pres APPOINTS a new VP?
MURPHY – Please elaborate.
Repost from previous thread.
#698 Murphy,
You stated:
“Howard and Obama have now succeeded at not only losing us the White House, but they have actually brought us to the brink of irrelevancy for the Democratic Party altogether.”
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Dear sweet friend and exceptional leader. I am so sorry my feelings ran contrary to yours. Ever since the DNC cheated Hillary out of the nomination I thought their undemocratic crime was “deserving of party extinction”. I will not miss them at all if they have indeed committed politicide (made that word up, btw, meaning killed themselves). They needed to learn a lesson in democracy. Hopefully they will change and you can believe again. This is my dream for you. In the meantime I think our country has just been saved by this man called McCain. At least he and Sarah can hold the fort until a better day for you and all who believed as Democrats.
Murphy, stay on the road to reform and restoration to your party and maybe it will make a comeback.
As for the Republicans they better not blow this brilliant opportunity to be the new party for the people. They haven’t won anything yet except the promise of potential. They still need to work a lot at winning this election. For our country’s sake I wish them great success.
You, Murphy, are still a hero to many. I know I will always admire you. You have made me a puma for life.
Keep going, kiddo. YOU are the one nobody was expecting.
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SWING STATES STRATEGIES
– Ways and tactics to help defeat BO should take high priority now.
– This is a very close election! BO is in the lead or tied in national & swing-state polls!
– If BO wins, Hillary’s future presidential hopes likely END.
– If BO looses, Hillary can run (and win) in 2012 !
– Having the first woman Vice President (Palin) now would be a breakthrough and would pave the way for the first woman President
– We only have 58 days left!
>> PUMApac should invest money and energy into the crucial battleground states that will decide the election!!!
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** POSSIBLE TACTICS:
• Well-produced ADS for TV, radio newspapers, etc to help expose/vet BO & convince Americans that he’s not fit to be our president.
• Make phone calls. Gather phone lists of crucial swing voters. Organize phoning volunteers.
• Distribute flyers and other materials; spread “Viral” Emails and Forwarded articles, talk to people and the press, etc.
• Model our efforts on effective campaign strategies, except we’re not officially campaigning for someone; we’re campaigning against BO.
— NOTE: I proposed a similar “SWING STATES STRATEGIES” in posts here several weeks ago and got some agreement… and last night, a puma (John) also suggested that we focus on battleground states and that triggered some positive responses (though I came home late last night and couldn’t join in the conversation). My sense is that NOW is the right time for this.
Again, we only have 58 days left and BO is in the lead now!
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Of course we will still be Pumas! of course we are not shutting down this site.
Silly Pumas.
The New Dem Party is for all of us Pumas who are DEVASTATED by how utterly the DNC and the Obama Movement has FAILED US.
If McCain wins by a landslide of epic proportions (which is quite possible now with the pick of Palin) the platform and principles of the Democratic Party are in grave danger.
We must prevent a huge shift of Democrats to the Repubs. We must reach out to moderate and independents and keep our core base committed to Dem Principles.
Murphy – For those who will not be able to tune into blogtalkradio for whatever reasons, can you provide even a brief explanation of the relationship between this new org and web site and PUMApac. Remember, in order for someone to find out by listening to blogtalkradio it’s like a caucus – you gotta show up at a certain time. For those who can’t, how about a little bit more info. OR, if you are wanting to wait until the radio show, after which you will post something clearer for those who can’t listen, then can you at least post that intention here? Thanks.
Senator McCain has hit it out of the ball park with his VP pick. I hoped he would do that; so here’s mud in your eye DNC. Was his pick political? Sure. But it was smart politics, and says to me he sees the forest through the trees. After all, he called it what it was the night O pushed Senator Clinton off the stage – - the evening the SD’s dragged his sorry behind passed the finish line. McCain said, “Party Elders gave him the nomination”. If you live in a battleground state, you may have seen McCain’s ad, congratulating O on his nomination, & ending the message with “how perfect that your nomination will be received on this very historic day.” How long in advance PUMA’s have the reservations for the convention been booked and dates selected? At least a year, right? Isn’t it more than a coincidence that we just happened to have a nominee who would so perfectly reflect the historic date of Dr. King’s speech, “I had a dream”. I think this underscores that O was picked a long time ago to be that nominee. Not that I had any doubts. McCain knows it…and that comment reflects it. He ended the ad saying to O, but tomorrow it’s back to business. And so it is. The first Vice Presidential female candidate since Geraldine Ferraro. Congratulations for your wisdom, senator McCain. This flowerchild knows a maverick when she sees one.
MurphyI assume that this means our mission is still vote your conscience at top of ticket and vote down ticket dems to make sure we hold a majority in Congress against a potential Republican executive branch?? Correct??
Murphy – Is this new party the result of a coaltion of other grassroots orgs, or is it your baby entirely?
Murphy – Is this new party the result of a coaltion of other grassroots orgs, or is it your baby entirely?
BRAVO MCCAIN and PALIN! I am looking forward to REAL CHANGE and MY VOTE COUNTING and NOT BEING DISMISSED IN THE FALL!
REAL CHANGE and A REAL DIRECTION!
WHILE OBAMA AND BIDEN are LIFELONGERS of the WASHINGTON ELITISTS! MCCAIN PROVED HE IS A TRUE LEADER AND WOMEN ARE NOT DISCOUNTED IN HIS NEW PARTY DIRECTION!!!!
GO FORWARD AND WIN THIS ELECTION, the DNC will SEE that DISALLOWING 18 MILLION PLUS VOTERS DOES COST!
I NEVER BOUGHT THE “UNITY” it was OBVIOUS they were all DRUNK and on “words” for the SHORT TIME….thank GOD its OVER….NOW on to A REAL ELECTION, and ONE OBAMA IS GOING TO LOSE!
I just returned from Town Hall where I switched to ‘unaffiliated’. Was told if I change parties would have to wait 90-days to vote and I couldn’t take that chance. They also said things were heating up down there with new registrants and switchers!!
Looking forward to hearing more about the NEW Democratic Party!!!
CNN showing BO speech again and standing outside the stadium trying to revive the ‘dream’.
Thanks goodcitizen for responding to my previous post (downstairs)
Yes we shall do everything in our power to have McCain elected . Not only for Hillary’s sake but this is a higher purpose this guy its dangerous its a dictador that is taking shots at our liberties he is also a cheat and lier . Obama have more skelletons than a cementary this guy can not be in that white house no way nohow nobama
#20 BigCatLover on 08.29.08 at 2:06 pm
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BwaaaaaaaHaaaaaa! They’re spinning, spinning, spinning! Damage control. This hurts them and they konw it.
tiggboriqua – be sensitive when using the word “we”. we all here at pumapac will have different ways of handling the top of the ticket.
TO: Dean, Pelosi & Brazile
“Hope you’re happy now!”
(as the DNC shatters into 18 million pieces)
Thank you Murphy!!!!!!
Even if my coments didn’t get past moderation it seems that you agree with me that we need a firm stance against the republicans that have infiltrated this blog.
That is how you should measure your success by the frustration levels of the repubs who get increasingly frustrated when there is a “troll” that says that they won’t vote out Dems.
Thank you. Thank you.
Keep up the good fight!!
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266 Nativegirl
271 Brooklyn
304 Rodham
309 Wontbackdown
310 Livinggrace
And others
I haven’t been able to get through today’s entire blog this morning. I logged in feeling so great — happy to hear about Palen — and now I am furious. I don’t appreciate the attacks against TxDemocrat about stating his/her preference for Obama. Every other post here is a rave about McCain. So what right do you have attacking TxDem?? That is what the bots do! I am not a bot nor a troll and I don’t support either McCain or Obama. I am a Hillary supporter who will stay home in November.
Murphy… I support this PAC with a monthly draw on my checking acct. It is small, but it is a lot to me. I contributed for other PUMAs to go to Denver. I BELIEVE what you have written up top. But if this is going to be a ‘Love McCain or get out’ blog then I am out of here. Please respond.
Results of projected candidates – that selected correctly:
Antifish Mc/Palin
Lisa Mc/Palin
CTKey Mc/Palin
Let’s see what Sarah Palin could bring McCain:
*Women! Those who want the historical victory of a woman in high office, but also MOTHERS. Suburban types maybe as well.
*Pumas and other hard-core Hillary supporters who are fed up with the DNC, etc.
*Small Town Voters.
*Blue Collar workers and union members.
*Alaskans.
*Many many mayoral endorsements, which HELPS while campaigning in each state.
*Possibly those who are dealing with disibility in their family…their son Trig has down syndrome.
*Veterans for sure. Her son is in Iraq 9/11/07 (McCain’s sons are also in Iraq).
*Young undecideds might be interested in this 44 year old woman; she is young and so is her family.
*Maybe native Americans will notice that her husband is part Eskimo, and that can help some with Native American vote?
*People tired of the same old names, people who like change, people who like that she is not a Washington Insider.
Very interesting.
Who’s this lady on Fox? She just said BO has over a decade of public service. I thought he said at one point that he had 20 years of public service? Which is it? Bwaaaaaa haaaaaa – they are spinning trying to expand his ‘experience’ to be on the top of the Dem ticket versus this woman who actually has executive experience as VP!!!
Nobamadem #15 — yes. that is correct. No vote for Obama on top and votes for good dems downticket.
Anna7000 — this is Puma PAC’s baby. No We Wont Radio/Sheri Tagg is also in.
The aim of the NDP is to prevent the Republicans from capitalizing on a McCain/Palin landslide by coopting our voting bloc.
Howard and Obama lost us so completely today. We MUST prevent the Republicans from picking us up.
We must prevent a huge shift of Democrats to the Repubs. We must reach out to moderate and independents and keep our core base committed to Dem Principles.
I think its CLEAR that MCCAIN values those principles MORE than OBAMA who is a SOCIALIST!
McCain is FOR lower taxes, LOWER GAS PRICES, for commitment to Global Warming, alternative energy, and women and children, the ONLY thing he has said is that abortion will remain up to the states (that will happen with Obama also) and that we have to CREATE jobs! HE will DO this, Obama again will fail miserably!
IS the FOCUS not to MAKE the DNC suffer for disallowing the votes of the people? IS that not what the CONSTITUTION based on?????
I still say NO OBAMA, and NO BIDEN….I am looking for the BEST candidate and that is CLEARLY John McCain, anyone who knows HRC can see that her speech was plain dialogue and NOTHING more, it was clearly written with the approval of Axcelrod…she KNOWS Obama will lose and she will return with GUSTO in 2012~!
I cant wait to get to work and see how my obotron employees will try to spin their way out of this one…lol!
#28 kat in your hat on 08.29.08 at 2:10 pm
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Amnd don’t forget her proven record of political ethics reform!!!
Jody
Texas lost her internet connection. She says
If MCCain dies Palin would take over as Pres. with No VP.
Then if something happened to Palin the Speaker of the House is next in Line.
#12 murphy – “Of course we will still be Pumas!”
I’m such a silly PUMA…
OBAMA has LESS EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE than PALIN, don’t let them sell you up the RIVER, he has EXACTLY 143 LOGGED SENATE DAYS, he WROTE ONE BILL, the AFRICAN REPUBLIC of the CONGO! THAT IS IT!
Wow, I am noticing that the Obama camp and his supporters seem very upset by McCain’s choice.
They are so nervous and worried about it.
Linda…
GET OVER IT…this is a NO BAMA ZONE….so TX DEM broke the rules…
I am TIRED of feel good feminism…I want to WIN!! NO BAMA…NO BIDEN..NOVEMBER…
PUMAS are COMMITTED TO THIS and to CHANGING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY so that the NEXT TIME HILLARY WINS they won’t STEAL IT FROM HER and LIE AND CHEAT AMERICANS!!
If anyone here wants to talk about voting for SOB they can bo to the BO SITE because I find it abusive and this is one of FEW places in America where we can find refuge, and for that Murphy will always be my heroine….
Does anyone know if any PUMAS fell for the “FALL in LINE” Unity FARCE? DID anyone defect to Obama after being raped and discounted and robbed of their vote?
#34 Caracal Carrie on 08.29.08 at 2:13 pm
If MCCain dies Palin would take over as Pres. with No VP.
Then if something happened to Palin the Speaker of the House is next in Line.
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That’s what I thought but I wasn’t sure. Very, very scary thought. And do ya think she’s thought about this?
MURPHY SIGN ME UP AND SEND ME AN EMAIL AND I WILL DONATE TONIGHT TO OUR NEW POLITICAL PARTY AS SOON AS MY EMAIL COMES BACK..
FROM TEXAS TIGRESS
LindafromTX #26 — this is absolutely not a LOVE MCCAIN blog. Today is a day of upheaval. The news of a woman Republican VP pick is understandably BIG NEWS.
We need to settle down a bit and remember our Dem Principles.
Puma PAC will not endorse John McCain. Absolutely not.
I think this will be BIG in PA. PA has been struggling with rampant fraud and unethical behavior in our state legislature, and as a result the residents here are fed up with government, and very BIG on ethics reform and property tax reform. These are two issues that Palin has a track record on. This will be big here in PA, in my opinion.
MURPHY
What time if the radio show tonight?
Hi PUMAs, I just woke up and found McCain selected a woman as VP. Thought I was still asleep. Came back from Denver last night, am still recovering from loss of brain cells in that crappy thin air and so may be slow to blog until I have a huge cup of Java. Hugs to all you PUMAs and it has been like Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride this week.
#33:
Yes, I am interested in her ethics reform battles and her stance on the issues.
I am very curious about her environmental policies.
Hmmm, what does this mean about drilling in Alaska I wonder.
I am still so surprised about Governor Sarah Palin.
Thank you Murphy –
I am considering myself an Independent
When Democracy returns to the Democratic Party, so will we…………………………this is my motto from now on
I am very happy with McCain’s pick – she’s not Hillary but she is a woman & she’s been a union member, so is her husband……………..I could have a beer with her -
I haven’t talked to my sister-in-law yet but her husband, my x brother-in-law probably knows her very well since he the head of Veterans Affairs in Alaska and was the past national commander for veterans.
I plan to call her to get the inside scoop – Alaska is not a big state in terms of population so it’s kinda like a small town in terms of knowing everyone – sorta, kinda, you know what I mean –
Precious and his vicious followers are going to have to be very careful, IMO, on how they react to Sarah – they’ve already tried to throw mud & if they push too hard, women all over this country are gonna push back – whether they be dems or repubs or independents – like the aa’s bragged – this is our time finally – she’s not Hillary but I can live with that
Murphy,
In Canada the New Democratic Party is the Socialist Party. The name has a negative ring for me. I lived in Canada for quite a long time….
I hope we don’t end up excluding or alienating males by tailoring a new website designed to suit women instead of everyone, men AND women.
I really LIKE THE NAME PUMA – People United For Action. Speaks volumes. Includes everyone. Doesn’t exclude Independents or Republicans who wanted Hillary and believed in what she stands for.
I hope we don’t give up this site or this name.
Can’t we just stay together and work on cleaning up the Democratic Party – getting rid of Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi for starters? Or if we can’t get them out of Congress completely, work hard to strip them of their power?
Work as PUMAs to expose the corruption in the Democratic Party?
Fight against the bias in the media?
Work to get elected people who have integrity and represent the values we cherish in the Democratic Party, whether their actual Democrats or moderate Republicans or Independents?
WE have established a name for ourselves as PUMAs. We have media attention. Why do we want to throw that all away and start over with a new name?
PUMA is perfect. Please, I hope we keep it!
PUMA, Second Phase, if necessary, but still PUMA!
Jody
Texas is saying
as prescribed by the 25th amendment if Palin takes office she would then NOMINATE a vp which would have to be approved by the senate..It doesn’t directly go to the speaker of the House. this is what happened when Richard Nixon resigned, Gerald Ford became president and Nominated Nelson Rockefeller as VP. The senate approved
Repost from downstairs:
As Gov of Alaska she’s IN a foreign policy position considering how close they are to Asia. Alaska has major security issues. And she’s already Commander in chief of her Natl Guard! Besides, doesn’t the BO camp think JUDGEMENT is added to the equation. Now that it’s a woman they won’t count judgement? I hate them.
I love having a female Veep.
History will be made either way.
This choice is an absolute travesty and a slap to the face of feminists everywhere!
Instead of getting an intelligent, experienced, ardent defender of women, they are trying to give us a former beauty queen who is anti womens personal rights.
Third party maybe. Write in. Maybe more so.
There is no way I am voting for McCain now. This is obviosly pandering.
Hey McCain you can’t just throw out any female VP and have us swoon at the idea of voting for her.
We don’t want Barbi Palin!
We want Hillary.
No McCain ‘08 we are not children!!!
WE ARE Democrats in an America where the DEM party has been overthrown by RACIST ANTI-AMERICAN MISOGYNIST CREEPS….
Now, when the REPUBLICAN PARTY is MORE AMERICAN, MORE DEMOCRATIC and MORE WOMEN FRIENDLY this is PROOF POSITIVE THAT THE DONC IS DEAD…
PUMA IS TRYING TO REVIVE HER….and by VOTING McCAIN/PALIN and oVERTHROWING BO/MO/EVIL DEM LEADERSHIP we are MORE DEMOCRATIC than the party is at this point…
THIS IS THE POINT…..We must BRING the DEMS to their knees before we let them stand again….this is a WAR and we must fight hard if we expect to win….not a nice nice thing but a TAKE THEM OUT thing….
Murphy – Much relieved to see your last 2 posts. The discourse today is like a 180 from yesterday and you’re sweet to give breathing room to everyone. I can’t jump for joy about what amounts to a strategic move on McCain’s part and nothing more. There’s a reason I’ve been a Democrat all my life, many of them listed at the top of the thread.
Won’t vote for Obama. But no quick fix to our complex mess with a McCain/Palin ticket.
Will return when things settle down on the blog and we can start getting focused on the monumental tasks ahead.
#13 Anna7000
It is not like a caucus at all. There is streaming of the show that anyone can listen to at anytime.
just go to http://www.blogtalkradio.com/no-we-wont
and you can listen to all the shows right now if you would like.
Anna7000 no problem I would be more sensitive in using We , Also even do that its incorrect when I use we Iam thinking of the votes of my family and friends 12 now we are all in agreement that the only way Obama can lose its if more people vote for McCain and Since the laws are changing in diff states were the same day registration its permited its very likely Obama would use everything posible to register thousands , he already cheated in the primaries He would be doing it again and most likely getting away with it just as he did in the primaries . My appologies if I hurt your sensibilities ,I would make an honest try to avoid using that word . To the people close to the Gustav path you will be in my prayers please be safe .
Murphy, who will make the decisions in this new party? Usually a platform is put together by the people of the party; not the leadership. Will there be a structure that allows people to join and have a vote in major decisions? I love your ideas and enthusiasm, and would love to participate, depending on how decisions are made — including the first ones, like the platform and the specific focus of the party.
# 51 Stealing History from Hillary – Not sure who you are. New name. But, agree with much of what you’ve said. I, for one, don’t want to be a pawn in McCain’s race for the White House. But neither will I vote for Obama.
Murphy and LindafromTX this is what started it.
#227 TX Democrat on 08.29.08 at 11:10 am
Zero foreign policy experience with 2 ongoing wars and the cold war starting up. I’m not willing to take that chance. Voting Obama.
It had nothing to do with a McCain love feast and like jenniforhillary said this is a BO freezone. Didn’t want to get in middle I want the story start and LindafromTX wasn’t understanding why people were upset.
I think this move by Mccain may change the attack mode on Obama. They may back it down a bit, at first I thought they would do whetever it takes to get him out of there, but now maybe they may want him in there just to make sure Hillary does not become a factor again. If he drops out in she comes either as the Nominee or as the VP. The dems could be in big trouble now. If the dems have any chance maybe we will have to pick it 100% and find the things in BHO’s closet fast to get him out of there.
story straight not start sorry.
Murphy, wouldn’t it be nice if we could put an end to the whole Democrat versus Republican mentality?
I’m so tired of the win-lose mentality in Washington. It’s the reason “we the people” always end up losing.
I want to see politicians who play win-win. And I couldn’t care less what political party they represent.
The Greeks now have a not-far-left but a semi-conservative party called New Democracy which is very popular.
I don’t know too much about it but will check it out.
I wonder if we’re headed in that direction?
54 thanks.
55 thanks. got it.
56 great questions!!!! now you got me sticking around to see if some of this will get discussed, though murphy may get into it on the show.
Obama actually has theaudacity to challenge Palin’s…experience?
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/hahaha-obama-questions-palinsexperience-excuse-me-glass-houses/
This is very good news….Palin is a great choice for McCain. I have not forgotten my Dem roots…just not voting for McCain. I’m staying with Dem party. Want them to see how many Dems voted Republican. They have messed in there nest and will have to pay. Hillary in 2012 but for now McCain/Palin!
oops, not voting for Obama…sorry
Murphy
How can you include reproductive rights in your list while supporting candidates that oppose reproductive rights?
It seems rather disingenuous.
I look forward to your response.
Love, Love, the idea of the New Democratic Party!!! I look forward to seeing who is endorsed.
#59 vadaryl on 08.29.08 at 2:23 pm
….If the dems have any chance maybe we will have to pick it 100% and find the things in BHO’s closet fast to get him out of there.
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That’s similar to what I posted downstairs–that if the DNC had any brains they’d “suddenly” find BO ineligible and put Hillary in. But time is critical to get nominee on state ballots.
This is going to be hilarious! The Dems have to try to discredit Palin. Every time they do, they will lose more women.
How about Palin’s paean to Ferraro? Remember that BO said she was the immoral equivalent of Jeremiah Wright. Brilliant!!!
I would like to hear other peoples response. How do you support reproductive rights AND vote for someone who says they want Roe v. Wade overturned. Anyone dare to answer that?
I usually vote person not party. I doubt Roe vs Wade will be overthrown. I believe in a womans right to choose. However, I do not always agree 100% with one person. I will vote what I feel best and do what my conscience tells me to do. The idea is NOBAMA!!! I will work hard to have him lose by a landslide. McCain’s pick has much more experience than Obama which must worry the DNC. Again I will vote conscience.
Stop calling some pumas Republicans. If you can’t support Obama for president, what are you supposed to do, stay home. No way, that achieves nothing. We vote for someone else. And if we want to celebrate a female VP pick, that’s okay too. There are alot of other dems on the ticket and one election does not change a person’s core beliefs.
Jennforhillary
“WE ARE Democrats in an America where the DEM party has been overthrown by RACIST ANTI-AMERICAN MISOGYNIST CREEPS….”
You have got to be freakin’ kidding me!!
I may not be an ardent supporter but to call the DEM party “RACIST” is incredibly short sighted.
I am making a list of Republican spinsters who just get accounts to try to lead us, (as if that was easy to do).
You, my friend, respectfully made my list.
I wish you well with the GOP. Best of luck but we are not children here!!!
Tx DEm: why are you here?
Oh, I made a mistake, Palin’s son joined the army 9/11/07, and he will go to Iraq 9/11/08.
I am trying to learn a lot quickly…
She owns a float plane (cool!) and she returned to work only three days after giving birth!
She tried marijuana when it was legal in Alaska, but she didn’t like it.
She is a hunter, she ice-fishes, and rides snow mobiles!
I love the outdoors. I think this sounds cool.
#26 LindafromTx
Puma has always been about making sure Obama is not elected, so how can anyone be upset if we don’t agree with their choice to support him?
Obama lied, cheated and outright stole votes that we cast for Hillary. I will always be vocal in my displeasure at anyone supporting him, especially someone who said they supported Hillary.
71 TX democrac
You again? please, enough with the Roe v.Wade, that argument holds no water.
We’re just coming out of 8 years of George W. Bush, remember?
Is that all you have?
Stealinhistoryfromhillary-NOT! Hill released her delegates. If she wants to be POTUS she needs to take back her party, with our help. This will help her do that.
Please contact the DSCC and tell them that we will only support them (and their candidates) once it has been made clear to us that the Senate Democrats will elect Hillary Clinton as their leader in January:
http://www.dscc.org/content?content_item_KEY=1442
(hat tip to Will Bower)
Are TX Dem and Linda the same person?
#71: TX Democrat:
I don’t think Roe v Wade will be overturned. And, I think we need to have a democratic congress who can vote on the next Supreme Court judge.
I am FAR FAR FAR more concerned about the sort of judges Obama would put in place over McCain.
Murphy
I think you have given TX Democrat enough air time.
Wow…we all have different takes on all this. This is good since this is America and we do have that right. We must respect others point of view and remember that it may not be how we feel but everyone has a right to their owns feelings. THe goal here is NOBAMA and I think we all agree on that.
#72 4hillinca
You say you “doubt” it will be overturned but you are willing to take a chance? How big a chance are you willing to take? Can you quantify it?
It’s unbelievable to me how a bunch of people that supposedly support Hillary are now going against so many things that she has spent her life fighting for. I can’t make sense of it.
Do you support the policies of Hillary Clinton or will any woman be good enough? Really.
I am really thinking today that there may be people on here who are here just for the sake of arguing.
I am proud of all of you Pumas and our diverse choices.
I think our differences along with our desire to stand up to corruption makes us strong.
One finger pointing blame is weak compared to a whole handing making a fist! I think we are going to make a difference. Do not let the detractors get you down.
http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/2008/08/on-being-democrats-democrat.html
Well, I think everyone’s vote is their own business as long as it is NOBAMA while on this site.
What I would like to know is if we can find out from Geraldine or Hillary if there is a specific position in the White House that we can get her NOW….???
I am from the city, so she seems exotic to me! lol. Alaskan wilderness…husband is part Eskimo…I just like it.
alice – interesting idea. what exactly is a “dem leader”? i hate to sound like a dope, but is that the official title? or is it more of an unofficial position of power?
Anna 7000
I am a new name but I have been reading the blogs for more than a week now.
I needed the support but this site in the past two days has been making my head nearly explode!!!
I can’t take the Old White Guy party treating us like 4 year olds that try to distract us with Shiny things that they think we like!
Is Palin Hillary?
No!
They think that we will swallow that Pill and let Hills place in history be stolen away? (Hence the moniker)
Hillary supporters are not McCains Pawns.
3rd party maybe.
I supported Hillary because she is just about as far from the GOP as we can get.
I won’t roll over and let the GOP rub my belly because I felt betrayed.
Note about Trolls: Trolls go to NObo sites to cause trouble. They either engage individuals into arguments or incite members into arguing w/each other. Their goal is to “divide and conquer,” thereby weakening the enemy–BO’s classic dirty tactics. If ignored they usually go away.
Getting chilly in here…brrrrrr…
TX DEMOCRAZED…
Sarah Palin does not believe in turning over Roe vrs. Wade. She believe that abortion can be stopped by funding women’s health programs, child care and adoption. She has never stated that she wants to repeal Roe vr. Wade.
AND McCAIN has ON RECORD stated that he has no interest in overturning Roe because it would ONLY HURt POOR WOMEN…
STOP trying to use our bodies to get us to vote for the BIGGEST misogynist in the country….
And STOP speaking for Hillary….STOP IT NOW!!
Amazing! The republicans can choose a somewhat inexperienced woman and the democrats cannot choose an experienced one.
I am so ready for the new democratic party.
#74 Stealin:
You are new to PUMA. Jennifer4hillary is a mainstay here. Get to know her better, okay? Please. Cool.
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You have email!!
Please read your email and join the New Democratic Party at newdemparty@pumapac.org
PUMAs unite (there’s that word again).
Mama
71 TX Democrat on 08.29.08 at 2:28 pm I would like to hear other peoples response. How do you support reproductive rights AND vote for someone who says they want Roe v. Wade overturned. Anyone dare to answer that?
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I will tell you how I can do it! I hate abortion, I think it is legally and morally wrong! But I also think it is a personal choice, not a matter for the government to decide. So neither candidate expresses my views.
Murphy – Just got back on
Yes! Yes! Yes!
Puma Democratic Party – I’m definitely in!!!!
GRANDPA here Murphy – had to just pop in before going out again – I am so sorry about the Democratic Party and feel the same way as you – I think the Top spots will have to go with the Republicans but we have to have the Democrats in Congress to balance everything out. Hang in there – you know we love you.
pamawo – summed it up in so few words. someone should use that as a sound bit (though it wouldn’t actually help either party!). murphy should consider posting it at the top of a thread!
#92 jody in florida
That is what I have been saying. We must ignore them. Remeber Hillary Clinton in the face of all their tactics, never lost her focus. We must not lose ours. BO and his team are good at this, but we are on to them. Let us get JM elected and keep our eye on the prize. Maybe I should say :Let’s keep MO/BO from disgracing the Oval Office”.
MamaPuma !!!!!
I have a new email address!!!!!
Help!!!!!
If we prevent the Republicans from ‘co-opting our voting bloc’ it could ensure a victory for Obama. Is it worth that?
We are moving WAY too fast for my liking. Yesterday i suggested taking a ‘wait and see’ stance, at least until after the Republican Convention.
I definitely appreciate the impatience and exuberance of youth. but this makes at least 2 or three changes to our focus in 48 hours.
Attempting to prevent our ‘voting bloc’ ,which may or may not even exist, from supporting McCain/Palin is not palatable to me, if it gives Obama even a slight advantage. At the end of the primary season, I rescinded my membership in the Democratic Party, became a bipartisan Independent and also joined the PUMA movement.
“Discretion is the better part of valor” and discernment is as much a virtue as patience.
Governor Sarah Palin has been to Iraq as often as Obama. She has also visited the troops in Germany…
#83 redraz9
Yes, the easy thing to do is lock me out of the discussion. But there are many others. Is the goal here to lock out opposing views? The blog goals say this is a place where honest debate is welcome.
I have painfully endured 8 years of a failed presidency. Nothing gets done in Washington.
The notion of electing another Republican president and keeping a Democratic congress means 4 more years of nothing being done for the people. That is US!!
Great people like Hillary cannot be kept down. She will have her time and place. I just cannot stand to put everything on hold another 4 years.
As it is now the next president is going to inheirit the biggest mess in history. What will it look like in another 4 years.
So let’s have an honest and respectful debate.
Murphy, Mama, et al. Before I join any new party, I think there are important issues to clarify, including those posted by Elaine up thread, which I’m reposting here:
“Murphy, who will make the decisions in this new party? Usually a platform is put together by the people of the party; not the leadership. Will there be a structure that allows people to join and have a vote in major decisions? I love your ideas and enthusiasm, and would love to participate, depending on how decisions are made — including the first ones, like the platform and the specific focus of the party.”
Sorry Linda that you feel that way, but while you are pulling the KNIFE out of between your shoulderblades, put there by Obama and the DNC maybe you will think about STAYING home and helping Obama WIN through CHEATING, this is NOT what the Constitution set out by our forefathers was meant to imply…the OBAMA people are giddy, they COULD careless HOW they get to it, lying, cheating and stealing is acceptable, they are the WORST kind of representation of the Democratic Party, WIN at all costs regardless of WHO you have to mow down in the process…as for the “trolls” who come here touting Obama, save it or go to his flowery words site and visit there, all of us are making our votes HEARD in protest, and will not support HOW this “election” was taken by a few…I guess you did not bother to listen that IF all the delegates and votes had been counted as they should have been then HRC and Obama would statistically BE in a EVEN tie at the Convention…but a FEW decided to SELECT not ELECT a nominee, if this goes unpunished it will become the STANDARD to voting practices, and WE can NOT allow that for the sanctity of the “process” as a historical event to protect future generations!
This is a NOBAMA SITE! What part of that two words you people don’t understand?
I am voting for McCain due to the fact he is a MODERATE REPUBLICAN. I don’t believe in extremism in any shape or form. I don’t like being threatened also about Roe V. Wade. ONLy those who doesn’t know the rulings of USC will believe the bullsheit they’re selling.
For the FIRST TIME in my life, I’d be voting REPUBLICAN for President. When it comes to downticket, I’d be voting two democrats out of office.
stealinghistoryfromhillary-I applaud your opinion but disagree. Hillary will be the first woman president. No doubt in my mind. The fact that the Demo party is full of sexism as is the media that supports Dean and the DNC has made me look at the Republican party. McCain has put a working woman on his ticket and I’m going to listen to what they have to say, but to dismiss them just because their republicans isn’t something I want to do. I know the DNC expects all Democratic Women to shut up, sit down and vote for Obama. Not going to do it.
Let nobo try to rip this woman apart. I don’t think it will be quite as easy to attack her gender. The Republicans will make sure that DOESN’T happen but she seems to stand on her own pretty well. I am SOOO looking for the debates to start and for that tingle down Chris Matthews leg to turn into a bolt of lightning but UP to the “vital parts.”
I think McCain did a great job keeping Palin quiet and I think made a fool of Obama!! Always glad to see nobo publicly humiliated — the more the better!!!
Tx Democrat go away – we see your viewpoints – enough distraction now
#85 TxDemocrat
I respect Hillary and in my mind and heart NO ONE even comes close to her. I will always feel that way. I worked hard on her campaign and for months after. So the answer your question…Yes I support the policies of Hillary Clinton and NO to ‘will any woman be good enough?’.
Living Grace – You made a lot of great points, especially for me, regarding the pace of things right now. By the way, how you feeling?
A bitter pill for some here to swallow but, TX democrat, please swallow it and be on your way.
This is our revenge and we’re happy.
It’s all for Hillary.
NObama/NOBiden are history already.
That boat is sinking as we speak.
This paves the way for Hillary in ‘12.
Unless by some miracle she gets in now, then it’s full speed ahead for Hillary in ‘08.
With Murphy’s leadership and hard work we can do it.
Look at what we’ve accomplished so far!
It’s no small potatoes!
We’re here for Hillary Clinton who will be President.
Murphy,
I don’t see that happening: i.e. huge shift of people to Republicans.
People still have their core views and issues. If people are leaning to McCain right now it is because he is a moderate and a man they feel they can trust while Obama is not. Their core issues will not change.
In Congress all it takes is 51 votes to pass a bill. It takes 60 votes to override a presidential veto. If we insure that as many moderate Dems and Repubs get elected as possible, that gives protection against the extreme conservative edge of the Repub party from getting control and keeps out the Robert Wexlers, Nancy Pelosi’s, etc., of the Democrats.
In certain regions of the country constituents’ issues may be different and they may need more liberal or more conservative representatives to address their needs, so in those areas, it works to have whomever meets these needs.
For now, I think it’s best to ignore the label of Democrat or Republican and judge individual lawmakers based on where they stand on issues and if you trust them.
Once we get in office someone who will protect us from the likes of Barack Obama and the current corrupt Democratic leadership, we can work on reviving the Democratic Party you are mourning right now, or creating something to replace it.
Take heart, Murphy. One step at a time….But we will get it done.
I had a run in with a BO supporter this morning. She asked me if I’m one of those disgruntled HIllary supporter? Excuse me? Disgusted, yes. Disgruntled, no. She then went on and on about how we had enough of 8 years (straight from the speech last night I’m sure) and how we need to support Democratic values. I then asked her “how do you feel about BO’s stance on FISA?” …cricket sound. What? What’s FISA? ’nuff said.
Stealing MY STORY…
YOU READ MY WORDS…the Democratic Party has gone RACIST this year…RACIST TO THE CORE….
First, they have played the race game by putting a BAD choice male candidate who happens to be part black up against the BEST choice a female candidate who happens not to be black.
Second, they played the RACE CARD to the HIGHEST degree when they allowed BO and MO to claim the Clintons have every said or done ANYTHING RACIST.
Third, NO ONE SAID BOO when 90% of Black Americans voted for BO when this vote is ENTIRELY RACIST because if you look at his track record (as pititful as it is) he has left black people in a WORSE position today then before he took office in Chicago. Thus, the ONLY reason black people could possibly be voting for him is RACE ONLY and in MARTIN LUTHER KING’s OWN WORDS this is RACISM at it’s core (not looking at the quality of one’s character but simply the color of one’s skin)
So yes, The DEMS HAVE DONE GONE RACIST and I will NEVER FORGET THIS….
ALL of my black friends agree, and the WORST thing of all is that the DEMS and the MSM allowed Rev. Wright to be excused as simply an example of BLACK RELIGION, when all he is BAD RELIGION…
GET OVER YOURSELF….NOTHING IS WORSE than the DEMOCRATIC PARTY THESE DAYS….NOT A GOD DAMN THING….
And I am as STRONG a Democrat (the OLD kind) as you could find….FIERCE but TRUTHFUL
I’m very serious in getting rid of corrupt democrats in congress. I do NOT believe I have to vote for a democrat to maintain their majority in Congress. If they’re serving the people, they have my vote, other than that, they better pack their freaking suitcase and go home!
#98 redraz9
That is a good answer and I respect your decision. Personally I also think it is immoral. But my democratic principles remind me that everyone should have the right to make their own decision. That is what is at risk. That is why this is so important to me.
John McCain does not think people should choose for themselves.
OMG, my head is spinning. Can’t take this chaos right now. Must be getting old! BBL
The notion of electing another Republican president and keeping a Democratic congress means 4 more years of nothing being done for the people. That is US!!
SORRY Texas Democrat but this is a flawed theory considering that the DEMOCRATIC congress has MORE power than the President in day to day dealings, the Democratic congress has stifled doing many things, especially addressing the gas crisis…OBAMA is NOT a leader, he was NOT in the SENATE, so how can he be NOW? You get a promotion to CEO after doing a dismal job as Secretary? NO….sorry, the WORLD doesn’t work like that…as for this being a debate board, its not…we are all on the same page, NO OBAMA 2009…..HRC 2012, with a refocus on continuing the mission…..
Now all the women wondering why Senator Obama passed over Senator Clinton, who won more than 18 million votes in the Democratic primary, to choose a man, in Senator Biden, who came nowhere close to the top of the field, can choose a candidate who isn’t afraid to have a woman as his running mate.
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I can’t wait for 2012 to vote for Hillary.
#85 TX Democrat
the dem party trashed Hillary’s policies and her too.
I am very excited!
What a difference a day makes.
There are plenty of Republicans who are for reproductive rights – Roe v Wade is not going away. This is just one issue of the party. They have to cater to the far right just as this Dem Party has to cater to the small number of liberal elite and others.
The worst thing the Democratic Party had done this year is playing race and sexist card. Over 50% of registered democrats are WOMEN.
MaxGrader:
” You are new to PUMA. Jennifer4hillary is a mainstay here. Get to know her better, okay? Please. Cool.”
If I have misread Jenns posts and intentions I appologize. My posting is new here but you have to keep in mind that I have been reading these posts for some time now.
I decided to start leaving posts when I nearly had a stroke reading some of the obvious GOP plants spreading their propoganda.
I appologize that my teapot has started to whistle and that is when my posts stopped being moderated.
I just haven’t swallowed the defeat Obama by supporting McCain!!
I voted McCain in 2000!
If it was McCain from 2000 we wouldn’t be having this discussion but John has forgotten who he is and where he comes from.
I have lost the faith!
I am an independant and vote with the candidates that most inspire me.
Maybe it’s not Obama. But it certainly isn’t McCain!
Palin better be good if I am going to betray the party that I was |–| this close to joining.
I hope they redeem themselves.
#117 (add to my post)
Moderate Dems and Repubs cross the isle all the time and vote for each other’s legislation if it suits their constituents’ needs, etc. It’s more important to get decent, honest people in office who are as close to our values as possible, than to go by party label alone. (JMHO)
MURPHY
What are you changing with the new party? Our goals or our independent status? I like the name Puma and I am not embarrassed to be known as a puma. don’t think it is irrelevant now.
It is just plain wrong to dismiss Palin as just a beauty queen. She’s earned the respect of Republicans while bucking the Republican establishment at the same time. Not a minor achievement! Nobama talks about reform – Palin does it. http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/weblogs/afb/archives/027011.html
As a Catholic and lifelong Dem (until a couple months ago – now Unaffiliated), I am thrilled that she can prove that being pro-women and pro-abortion are not identical. Feminism used to mean *nurturing* life!
I also appreciated Palin’s acknowledgement of Hillary and the 18 million cracks.
Looks like Mr Obama will be taking that Bridge to Nowhere.
#111 kasota
Don’t you believe it is over yet. ANY number of things can happen between now and November. I think we still have substantial work to do between now and November to get as much of the fraud info. out and make sure all the Attorney Generals in the states be aggressive about prosecutuons and ask them to prosecute the “leader” of the fraud, NOBO!!! The lawsuit is still in play re: nobo’s questionable Presidency. The Rezko stuff is still being investigated, which could bring out more info or maybe even charges against nobo.
I just feel in my gut and have felt from the very beginning that Hillary was going to win. Think I am nuts, but I have to go on my gut this time.
#111 kasota
Don’t you believe it is over yet. ANY number of things can happen between now and November. I think we still have substantial work to do between now and November to get as much of the fraud info. out and make sure all the Attorney Generals in the states be aggressive about prosecutuons and ask them to prosecute the “leader” of the fraud, NOBO!!! The lawsuit is still in play re: nobo’s questionable Presidency. The Rezko stuff is still being investigated, which could bring out more info or maybe even charges against nobo.
I just feel in my gut and have felt from the very beginning that Hillary was going to win. Think I am nuts, but I have to go on my gut this time.
Let’s get started. Please sign this petition
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/voterswill/
Tx Democrat is an OBOT…I am saying it and I will stand by it….in his/her heart they are an OBOT…
The Democrazed party and the CLINTONs are not in the same universe these days….not if you can THINK or SEE or UNDERSTAND
McCain and Palin are moderates, good people with good ideas, honest, ELECTED and ELECTABLE…..can’t say this about the BO/BI and I will NEVER forget BIDEN during the Anita Hill WITCH Hunt…he is just a hater who pretends just like the rest of the misogynists pretenders in the Democrazed party…
The NObama campaign is already dissing Sarah Palin for only being a mayor of a town of only 9000. This just underscores there extreme dislike for women and small towns. I live in a town on 5000.
Palin is the Governor of Alaska, BO, and as far as experience, she trounces you. Apples and oranges.
I just might NOT have to hold my nose and a barf bag when voting for McCain Nov. 4.
Way to go, John!
Please Go Vote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
HOWDY ALL!!!
BTW, Palin paid tribute to Gerrie Ferraro and Hillary Clinton, but not in a gushy, phony way.
I need to learn more about her, but so far, so good.
TX Dem. Let me try and explain to you why I can vote for someone who is pro life. At one time in my life being pro choice I would not have voted for anyone who wasn’t. But I have come to realize that there are many issues that are important! I personaly don’t think roe vs wade is going anywhere. Women have much more power then when I “wore a younger mans clothes”. I feel very strongly that Obama and his left wing of the party could and most likely well do great harm to this nation. This was not something that I didn’t think about long and hard. If you knew me you would be shocked to hear I am voting for McCain. I say McCain08
Hillary 2012.
#116 bruce55555
I feel like I have been swallowing one pill after another for the past 8 years.
I have not received a raise at work in 4 years. Neither have most of my co-workers.
The company I work for has been opening plants overseas and none in the US.
I have a college degree yet my husband makes in 1 day the amount of money I make in 1 week. I have to keep my job because we need the insurance. I feel like a slave that has to go to work every day just in case something happens and we need the insurance.
I want universal health care. If we had universal health care I would not have to spend my life in a job that I hate. I want a better life. I have been waiting 8 years for change. Now I am very afraid it is not going to happen.
I am speaking from my heart. I am not an Obot.
108 Anna7000~~~ Ditto!!!
Well, I think i’m starting to feel a bit better today, but whatever it is/was, it really knocked me down.
While i like the idea of a new party, intrinsically, I think we are rushing way too fast. What do we really risk by slowing down, giving it more and deeper thought, and waiting until the Conventions are over and we get down to the real nitty-gritty of the campaign?
Whatever her reasons may have been, from my perspective Hillary is out of the game. Maybe she will end up Speaker of the House or Senate, who knows?
Right now my focus is on keeping Obama out of the White house. Period. For the moment, we have a Democratic Congress so up/down ticket aren’t that relavant to me. First things first.
#133 Goninasimonejr on 08.29.08 at 2:46 pm
It is just plain wrong to dismiss Palin as just a beauty queen. She’s earned the respect of Republicans while bucking the Republican establishment at the same time. Not a minor achievement!
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I agree. Women are always (well, often) judged on their looks and then dismissed w/o regard for achievement. She’s no good because she’s “just a “beauty queen” or no good because she’s an “ugly b—.”
With McCain/Palin a vote I will uphold the truth and protect Bill Clinton’s legency of being the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT…until a Qualified Black President is election to run this great COUNTRY
Hi PUMAS!
I love the idea of the new party. I would love the name PUMA left, but I will live what I can have. PUMA is a very brave name.
McCain’s choice is brilliant. He shores up evangelicals while not alienating Hillary’s supporters.
I am very slow sometimes. I just realized how dirty Obama really is.
He humiliated Hillary and her female supporters left and right – we all know the stories. PUMA and other groups forced a roll call on them His revange was to MAKE HILLARY to give him the victory. When I looked at her on that evening, she seemed to be supported by the body of her people. They were standing so close, that if she weakens, she can’t fall.
Obama kissed Jill Biden on the lips. It is like a public rape. It was uninvited and she could do nothing about it. She had to smile.
Obama doesn’t disrespect women. He hates them passionately.
I sure hope he will be locked up for a very long time for what is still in his closet.
Now all the women wondering why Senator Obama passed over Senator Clinton, who won more than 18 million votes in the Democratic primary, to choose a man, in Senator Biden, who came nowhere close to the top of the field, can choose a candidate who isn’t afraid to have a woman as his running mate.
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Its simple JOHN, Obama is using WORDS…he was NEVER serious about his “change” message…and DID you not see how spiteful Michelle Obama’s face was the entire time HRC was talking? She looked like a JEALOUS school girl! She was different when Bill was speaking, it doesn’t take a Psychologist to see that the “unity” between the Obama’s and Clinton’s was a FRONT of monumental proportions! Hillary I KNOW deep down is looking forward to it going SOUTH so she can casually say: HUH, I wonder WHY my SUPPORTERS didn’t fall in line! THIS is not over for HRC by a LONG SHOT, she will run again in 2012, and WIN what was stolen from her!
Palin is great! She is a real rabble rouser against Special Interests, including the OIL COMPANIES!
Joe Biden is old Washington Status Quo….contrary to Obama’s “change” message which is as old and worn as a dirty shirt by now….
I am looking forward to McCain and Palin mopping the floor with the monkey’s of the DNC…and hopefully, Palosi and Howard and Obama will SHUT UP and RECOGNIZE you DO not disenfranchise 18 MILLION plus people!
TOO bad, he could have stepped outside his PRIDE and SELECTED HRC…but he didn’t because he KNOWS she has his number and would call him to task on his lies and flip flops, that was not a chance he could take!
#132 BigCatLover
I assume you were not in Denver, and If so, I apologize.
But after being there, talking to people, rallying, talking to Hillary delegates and the ignorance of the delegates it made me (and still does) VERY proud to be a PUMA!! WE have more work for two more months, then I am going to take a break. But our fight is stronger and better than ever right now.
if I am wrong I will leave but I dont think feeling great for a woman breaking another ceiling needs to be a constant put down either
#138 “their” not “there”
BO is a sexist elitist, no 2 ways about it.
http://freepress.net/node/41031
Hey, everyone. Can’t do much but flit by, but I did read some of the comments and read the posts by Murphy. Okay, first, hey Drac! I don’t get to see you much and always love to.
Second, as a lawyer, please let me tell you all who are worrying about Roe v. Wade to stop. Roberts already has made clear that the Supremes are not going to taking certiorari on anything to overturn it.
Third, just learning about Palin. Impressive. But I still can’t see myself voting McCain. Nonetheless, I can’t imagine voting for Obama. I am still chanting in my mind Hillary 08 Hillary 08 Hillary 08.
Asian4Hillary, I can relate to you about corrupt Democrats. I am in Florida!! I think that is what Murphy meant about voting down ticket for “good” dems.
Murphy, great article from Mass that you linked earlier. Yes, I could not believe the unanimous support for Obama from Mass or New Hampshire.
Love to all . . . please continue to keep New Orleans and the entire Gulf Coast in your thoughts and prayers. Gustav will come to us over the holiday weekend, Hanna is goofing around in the Caribbean, and another wave is brewing off Cape Verde. We are in for a tough hurricane season, I fear.
#107 TxDem,
Get this about your “nothing gets done in Washington” line. That’s actually a GOOD thing.
When you think about it objectively that’s EXACTLY what went on during the Clinton years.
While the Republicans were more interested in impeaching Bill out of office by concentrating on his personal life than on country matters America moved right along ON ITS OWN and prospered better than ever before in my lifetime. The Congress did absolutely nothing to help America back then.
It reenforced the belief that the least amount of government is best.
I am concerned with the timing of the development of a third party. I think it is a great idea, and we need a third viable party. Partisanship has got this country stuck at a stand still.
BUT, it is 67 days until the election. In many states you have to file an objection or challenge to a presidential candidate’s eligibility to run for office within 60 days. That leaves only one week to the day.
If we could even convince one Secretary of State to formally challenge him, we could possibly force him to resign based on the findings. This would force the party to pick a new candidate, and they would have to pick Hillary or face all out anarchy from the party.
Couldn’t the new party-thing wait one week so we could try to get him investigated?
see ya all leter
Well, this is just fantastic news, Murphy. First, let me explain my rationale for voting for McCain/Palin. At first I was just voting McCain as a protest vote, as many of us were. I don’t find him totally without merit-I think he is a good man and a reasonable man. I have heard him speak and he is very unpretentious and down to earth. I like that as compared with Mr. Narcisissm Rock Star personified. I find people like Obama just get people riled up and have little or no substance–that is dangerous. Now that McCain has chosen Palin, I think it is a very exciting ticket. I don’t necessarily share all of her values, but I think she is an honest, straight talking, ethical woman and I am very pleased at this development. It makes it much easier for me to vote for McCain. The strategy is to teach the DNC a lesson–corruption and sexism are unacceptable. Also there is an essential aspect of our democratic doctrines that says “no taxation without representation”. We were not represented by the DNC even if we voted. So if Obama gets elected, maybe we won’t have to pay taxes! Maybe we can even pursue that tact now! I digress. As I understand it, this is phase one of the strategy. While we are sticking it to the DNC in the election we simultaneously investigate the corruption, weed out the dirty politicians and frauds, throw the bums out of office, prosecute, if appropriate, and establish our new party. The new party will embody traditional uncorrupted democratic values as Murphy has outlined. Voila! Anyway, that is my thinking about and interpetation our mission. Perhaps it is not Murphy’s but I think we are on a similar mission.
Interesting that neither McCain nor Palin once mentioned BO or Biden. Last Saturday, at his unveiling, Biden lit into McCain. Last night, BO mocked McCain.
Is this the “New” Politics?…Change we can believe in?
diva2
Good to see you back. I believe it was you who posted a day or two ago (time flies) that you had a conversation with one of Hillary’s delegates on public transportation and she said that she did not get pressure from BO camp to change her vote. Unless I missed your reply to my question ‘what State was she from?’ could you please tell me now. Thanks
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This is Mama
Everybody must stop and take a deep breath.
Everybody must be kind to each other.
Everybody must not accuse.
Everybody must allow for differences of opinion.
Do not accuse or insult each other.
You must be civil when you disagree.
Anybody who has a problem or wants to question or criticize, email me at MamaPumaMass @aol.com.
Do not put those thoughts on the blog. Only issues get discussed here – not other PUMAs.
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Whoa, thought there was to be no sexism on the blog? What’s this about Palin being “just a beauty queen” and why is jane-pa feeling like leaving?
Palin is very impressive if you look at her record and how she became Governor. Don’t hold against her an immutable characteristic – right, as Kelly whatshername used to say, “don’t hate [her] because she’s beautiful.”
They had expected a 15 point bounce after the convention, and I think after today with McCain = it will go the other way before the Republican convention
Dean and Pelosi played like a piano.
Gallup Daily: Obama Stretches Lead to 8 Points
Lead one of largest in campaign
Post Attempt # 8, #9, #10 #11
143 TX democrat
and you think NObama will deliver?
He has “zero” accomplishments.
Trashing Hillary is his only accomplishment.
He does not deserve my vote. Please stop now.
Hillary in ‘08 or ‘12 for sure.
*** #155 lisa on 08.29.08 at 2:54 pm ***
hey lisa. i looked for you yesterday but didn’t see you. was thinking the same thing but NEED jbjd’s help. you know her, don’t you?
Thanks, Mama.
Let’s not forget Mama is watching.
136 goandersen
Read the petition. I would like to discuss the pros and cons of same day registration before I sign it.
Lisa,
Murphy’s plan for the new party can work just fine for Hillary or any other future candidate.
The goal is to stay together, give a home to the revolting democrats until it gets better. We can stay informed and organized. Brilliant.
I like the platform. It is exactly what we need.
#154 maxgrader
You make a very good point. But there are things that need to get done in Washington. Universal health care is long overdue.
I don’t know about everyone else here but me and my husband have seen the money we put into 401k evaporate over the past year. And privatizing social security is just that. Rolling the dice. And when the economy tanks we lose everything.
So now we have to keep our money where it is and hope and pray that it goes up. McCain wants to force everyone into this situation.
Hey Dragonfly – YOU are always inspiring to me – now I have to fly
Drac
#166 alohapuma
Forgot to footnote that post. I am researching as well.
We have legislation coming up here in CA regarding redistricting on the Nov. ballot.
I want universal health care. If we had universal health care I would not have to spend my life in a job that I hate. I want a better life. I have been waiting 8 years for change. Now I am very afraid it is not going to happen.
DID you KNOW Obama is saying you will GET a 2,500 dollar tax credit AGAINST YOUR INSURANCE….
You will have to have spent 2,500 out of POCKET just to get the reimbursment….WE will NOT get universal health care, its NOT going to happen with the deficit, and it would take YEARS to get it up and running, the INSURANCE LOBBY will FIGHT this TOOTH and TOENAIL!
DON’T be SOLD a UTOPIA that DOESN’T EXIST!
Universal Healthcare has been talked about for over 40 years…it is STILL not happening…
2,500 dollar tax credit is about what the child tax credit is…that is all, that is a FAR cry from UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE!
WITH Universal Healthcare, you are assigned a DOCTOR, that would make all private physicans a thing of the past, all doctors would be government employed.
ANYTHING that is elective would be on a waiting list for 6 months or longer, I think you need to look at Mexico’s system, they have socialized or universal medicine, many people come here from Mexico for healthcare!
“She think she Annie Oakley” Oblahma and crew are scared to death.
LOL!
#158 DORIA!
That is an excellent point!
I didn’t even think of that, but you are right!
155 lisa~~ That is the most sensible thing I’ve read yet. And probably the most possible strategy we have.
#143 TX Democrat
I can feel your pain, but it saddens me that you think the man who used all of Hillary’s idea’s as his own is going to give you what you want.
Universal Healthcare is not necesarrily a good thing. Our government is too corrupt to run it and that is on both sides of the isle. I have seen it in several places, first hand, and it is never pretty and it never works.
Yes, everyone needs healthcare, but not government run healthcare.
160 MamaPuma
Love you mama, even more after meeting you then I did before.
You are the calm voice of reason, kindness and intelligence. Great job as a mom. Kudos to you and Murphy.
Murphy,
Is there a chance that this blog can be organized as it is at NoQuarter? It is much easier to read and keep the relevant comments toghether.
I know, it is asking too much…..
Social Security is almost bankrupt, why FORCE anyone to continue to pay into a system that is failing and NOT going to be there! I would rather decide HOW to create my retirement than depend on a system that is drying up daily!
SOCIAL SECURITY is NO safety net for the future people! Not our future or that of our children!
I didn’t vote for HRC just because she is a woman. There were many women who did, so this move my McCain will bring them over to his side.
I am not a follower and will remain undecided about my vote in November. Oblahblah will never get my vote.
*** #155 lisa on 08.29.08 at 2:54 pm ***
SORRY LISA. YOU DON’T KNOW jbjd.
IT WAS SOMEBODY ELSE.
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
jody in florida
HI! I have been off for a couple of days. I came and looked here and thought it wasn’t a conversation I wanted to jump into! thought I would wait for things to calm down.
jbjd doesn’t have time to pursue this legally herself right now, but since we a word document of info she wrote on it. Basically though, the most efficient way to pursue this is that people have to contact their own Secretary of State. The SofS has the ability to request the candidate provide proof of eligibilty. This means that we each have to work with OUR OWN state, and send enough info to convince the SofS that we aren’t just crazy crackpots listening to blog rumours. Also, each state is different about when the cutoff is for contesting a candidate. jbjd told me to look into my own state, but she is forgetting that since I am not a lawyer I don’t have access to lexis/nexus and I can’t look up state laws from my computer. My husband suggested I try the website http://www.findlaw.com or maybe it is findlaw.org. I haven’t had a chance to do that yet.
Pretjene,
Social Security was secured by Bill Clinton. Only Bush spent the money on the war. It can be secured again. We need a law against the government raiding our retirement fund and to pay back what was taken out.
#136 goandersen hey welcome back
#166 alohapuma and #132 BigCatLover I agree and I am a little confused. I did receive the email and went to click on it to see more about it and it said something about error or something try again.
#149 diva2
You must have misread my post. I’m asking Murphy to keep the puma name. I’m proud of it too. But she has not answered me again, so I still have questions.
LISA and JODY in FLORIDA – what is happening to the Sec of State thing – I think jbjd has given up on it – I have an old computer and an old browser – tried to get onto the McCain site but could not blog – so I sent a comment to them that went nowhere – if either of YOU can get onto that site and quote what we were told before – it is now IN THEIR best interest to get at least one Secretary of State to ban him from their ballot and he is toast – but I think its time that we let the Republicans help out on that one especially those SOS that are Republicans – they would defintely be more adapt at doing that – some ask for birth certificates from what I have been told – can either do that – I tried. I think we have 48 hours after his acceptance to do it – which would be tomorrow but who works on Saturday SOS.
#153 Dragonfly
Were you in Denver. I DO know there was NO unanimous support but there was plenty of coercion support. AND it was horrendous coercion. To my knowledge, I still haven’t confirmed whether or not the “written” votes that were taken in the delegate meetings (not on the floor like they SHOULD have been) had any chain of custody. Between the time they left the delegation meetings and got to Obama counters ANYTHING could have happened to those votes. WE also don’t know who ACTUALLY won. I believe Senator Clinton won, but that is my opinion.
#168 TX Democrat
I respect your concerns about your retirement and social security. If it is any reassurance (and I am not voting McCain), my review of his stance from ontheissues.org indicates that he was in favor of privatization in 2000, but now is emphasizing that people should build savings accounts to supplement social security. Additionally, he has also indicated a willingness to compromise on the 90K cap on social security deductions.
I also can’t imagine a Dem controlled congress allowing the privatization of social security. It is the most precious governmental welfare benefit and has been considered an “entitlement” in some cases – so, the government would face potential legal challenges if I remember my Constitutional Law class correctly (it’s been 13 years, but . . .)
Hey BillieJo!
Just getting my bearings here.
Another point about choosing Palin is that she (apparently) stood up to Big Oil and to Big Gov, so it’s a way of saying, “I’m not another George Bush”.
jadwiga,
I think Murphy’s plan is great, I just am concerned that we are squandering what may be our last opportunity to force xo out and get Hillary in as our candidate.
Time is precious right now. In most states we only have one week left.
#177 jadwiga
Larry would just say Murphy is a copycat. Best to not follow his lead on anything!
Does anyone else find it ironic that Obama has already started criticizing Palin for having “no experience”. Ummm hello, she has been a governor in charge of an entire state. What have you been in charge of so far Mr. Obama? Nothing, yea that is what everyone already knows.
I am so glad that I am now a member of the new democratic party. I am pretty liberal but even this is too much for me.
Mama is watching!!!
Do not criticize fellow PUMAs, disagree with issues, policies, positions – but not the person voicing them.
Send complaints to me at MamaPumaMass@aol.com.
Oh, by the way, the mailbox at newdemparty@pumapac.org is click, click, clicking.
Love
Mama
billie joe, goanderson! how the hell are ya!
Tx Democrat,
On the issue of not having a raise in pay for a while I can sypathize. Of course it always feels great when an employer adds to one’s paycheck.
But what I did when I felt slighted by an employer and helpless about getting more I would get my thinking cap on and see what I can do about the situatution instead of relying on someone else. I simply changed my material lifestyle and became a learned man of economics. As a result I started putting my money to work FOR ME instead of me working for it. The tide then changed and I’m now a retired, relatively young man, at the age of 54 thanks to smart investments and not spending money frivoulously.
It’s all about managing one’s self, not relying on others for change.
#163 bruce55555
My hope is that Hillary will help craft the universal health care. I don’t think Obama will get in the way. If he just rubber stamps the work of other Democrats that is perfectly fine with me.
All I know is what we have now is terrible. I can’t see how it could be any worse than people not getting health care at all.
There are several countries that have wonderful health care. There is no reason the US cannot have the best in the world, except that we do not demand it. That is our fault.
The only thing that makes me sad about Palin as VP, is that it isn’t Hillary that’s going to break the glass ceiling. Our girl had to carry egoBoy on her back -over the finish line in Denver and now another woman will bust though that ceiling in History when it was earned by Hillary’s hard work, blood, sweat and tears.
Oh Skiddles – could this be discussed in that meeting….
#194 taggles1
Exhausted and ready to fight!
Hi Mamapuma, Murphy and Maryland!
#186 diva2 –
No, I wasn’t in Denver and I did not realize the intimidation was so severe. Is there going to be an expose on this bad business?
What little I could view on roll call (I get PBS but no other news station) seemed to artificially inflate Obama’s support and completely eliminate HRC’s.
Hey, GOANDERSEN!
lisa — i created a new email address (had to when i sent too many and got locked out of 3 others, lol). it’s myname (no spaces) add puma at gee male. it might be easier to talk about it via email so that we don’t take up a lot of space on the blog. it’s been really slow for a lot of people.
185 Rodham in Flag
I think it is a great idea to get Repubs to help with convincing the Secretary’s of State to demand to see xo’s eligibility. Do you have some ideas for how we could get the info out to them and get them mobilized?
They might want to gamble with him right now though, he seems to be a big fat zero in popularity, they might want to stick with him! LOL
#197 BillieJo
#197 BillieJo – no worries…Hillary WILL break the POTUS glass ceiling!!!
#200 ((((((((((Dragonfly))))))))))))
#175 redraz9
You have confused universal health care with socialized medicine. UHC just means everyone is covered and it includes some private insurance. Socialized medicine has amny benefits for low income people but some drawbacks too.
I’m praying the dems realize they’ve put themselves in a no win position. Their only chance is Hillary. To get that to happen they have to start releasing the goods on bo and force a resignation. he can then be replaced by Hillary. Otherwise I foresee a palin vs Hillary in 2012.
Murphy, Mama and all Puma’s
I joined PUMA because of the way Hillary was treated by the Dem party and the MSM. I am also a moderate republican.
Out of respect for all of you and your efforts I will not join the New Democratic web site. I will still be here on the Puma site to try to help in any way I can to make sure that the great “O” doesn’t get elected. Not because I’m a Rep. but because the Dem.’s cheated.
As a moderate Rep. I would have welcomed Hillary if she had won. Just no BO
FOR the OBAMA people trying to USE ABORTION as a TOOL, less than THREE PERCENT of VOTERS said that ABORTION is at the top of their list!
ABORTION is a SOCIAL ISSUE, and IT is CASE LAW, it is NOT threatened to be overturned, and MCCAIN has NEVER made such a threat! He said leave it up to the States to decide…that is where it will stay…
IT is WEAK to use abortion when that is an individual choice, and not likely to make a huge impact with either side….
PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTIONS for CHOICE needed to be outlawed….
YOU can STILL get a LATE term termination for medical reasons…I am pregnant right now and just had a friend have to terminate at 28 weeks for Trisomy 18…that is a MEDICALLY necessary abortion and STILL PROTECTED even by the BUSH administration….
DON’T make a NON ISSUE an ISSUE….Obamanators..it is not gonna stick this election!
I have felt for some time that the divisions in or between the dems and reps are silly and artificial. The divisions do not make a lot of sense. Some principals actually contradict other ones. Some of these ideas may have been developed 150 years ago but today things are different. A new realignment could be good for the country.
I see the situation where millions of women move from the dems to the reps as a possible way to force a total realignment of division of the two parties or a collapse of one or both. Nothing wrong with that. For example if millions move into the repub then we can change the repubs and fix some of the insanity there.
I feel McCain does not like the extreme right wing but feels almost powerless to change things. However with this brilliant stroke he might be able to bring in enough people to force changes in the rep party.
For example there are obviously many reps who believe in a womans choice but they get voted down by the right wing. With 18 million new voters that could change.
I am not against the natural flow of people moving to where love asks them to go. We are acting out of love which is truth is freedom. So we fight for truth and we fight for freedom and so we fight for love which is god. nothing wrong with that.
The Democratic Principles can be embedded into the Republican Party then well and good. It is the principals that are important not which party impliments them.
Of course it would be wonderful if we could create a whole new political party that becomes successful and replaces an old party. But that is a long shot and might take a long time to be successful.
I will support whatever decisions are made here. We must stick together to be successful.
Go Hillary Go
jody in florida
thanks, great. I will send you jbjd’s document to your email. If I get through onto findlaw and have any luck I will let you know too.
We really need to have someone gathering the information to send to the Secretary’s of State. We have to give them enough fairly creditable info to make them seriously question him.
Jennifer:
I think that I went through what you are going through now around Sunday.
I was so enraged and so put out that I went outside and sat with my dog for about 4 hours staring at the stars. Trying to figure out what I should do. What I could do.
My philosophies are so in line with the Clintons. My dissapointment was so very deep.
I had a catharsis as I was laying there. My dissapointment pales in comparison to the suffragists and civil rights movements. They suffered dearly, gave there lives, realized that there sons and daughters were living in unsafe and unfair conditions. We are so very close to our dream. So close to equality.
If I have to wait until 2016 to hear “Madame President” spoken by the speaker of the house so be it.
I can’t shirk my values and vote for what I envision to be the downfall of western civilization. Russia and Georgia scared me straight I guess. I don’t think that John McCain has the temperment to deal with Russia.
I miss Hillary!!
I will be watching the debates closely and making my Nov, 4 decision on the debates.
Not going with my earlier rage but my eventual clarity. . .
. . . Someday soon I hope.
#197 billiejo Be happy at least we will have the first woman VP in Jan. Then Hillary will be POTUS very soon!
#196 TX Democrat
Please tell me what countries that would be.
I promise you that I can show you it is not all that good!
If we could have a Universal Healthcare Plan that is not Socialized Medicine, it might be ok, but that is not what is going to happen with Obama in office.
The New Hampshire Union Leader published my letter to the editor today (Friday August 29, 2008). I was very surprised because they publish very few letters on a daily basis (4 – 6).
For those of you not familiar, they are a conservative newspaper. My letter is self-explanatory, but on Wednesday August 27, the day after Hillary’s speech, the Union Leader published a large, front-page photo of her entitled “Clinton’s moment” (in the print edition only, not online). The AP photo was one of those embarrassingly goofy, mid-expression moments that happens to everyone, and would cause any of us to immediately hit the “delete” button on our cameras. Apparently the Union Leader thought that it would be a great way to characterize their view of our beloved Senator.
They entitled my letter, “Photo choice a cheap shot to undermine Hillary” (their title, not mine, but appropriate).
“To the Editors: Thank you so much for publishing that ridiculous photograph of Hillary Clinton on the front page in response to the Senator’s phenomenal speech at the Democratic Convention. I thank you because you have proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, what Hillary’s supporters have been saying all along — that the media has done everything possible to undermine Senator Clinton every step of the way. How many Associated Press photos did you have to sort through to find one ludicrous and unflattering enough to serve your purpose? Need I remind you that Senator Clinton won the New Hampshire Democratic primary?
Kick her on her way out the door — very classy indeed!”
Sincerely, etc . . . . I couldn’t let them get away with that without saying something.
I hear a lot of talk on here about the right to choose and universal health care. I have been a dem all my life but I am pro-life. I have been very unhappy with the democratic party since Bill left, so taking a step to Mccain was never going to be that tough for me if Hillary didnt win. I do however recognize that everyone has different opinions and i stand up for their right to express them. This has been a tough week so maybe we all just need to vent for a day and then get back to work..
Let’s try and make this discussion a positive one.
How about some folks here tell me what McCain will do for us?
I think our vote should be what’s best for us as a nation. So let’s talk about the good things he will bring.
REMEMBER XO IS FULL OF XXXX!!!! He is only telling you what he wants you to hear. HAVE YOU FORGOT HOW HE GOT WHERE HE IS AT???? HIS speech sounded like it always does “full of nothing” I BELIEVE MCCAIN made a good choice and I believe Palin will shed some light on him he is very respectful and sincere. MCCAIN is no Bush he is his own person. Very laid back and doesn’t fill you full of empty promises. NO PRESIDENT can change anything WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF CONGRESS. I think MCCAIN having Palin, Hillary will be able to get alot done. OBAMA on the other hand would take full credit for what Hillary tries to do or is passed. OBAMA will never do what he is saying he will do look at his track record. The republicans are right about him.. AND there are some very good republicans in the house. There is one in Texas, Senator Cornyn he use to be a Democrat but he exposed corruption in the Texas judicial system he changed to a republican.
Check his site out
http://www.johncornyn.com/about/
Palin has a lot to prove to me and all. What she does or doesn’t do has ramifications for women in this country and throughout the world.
Hillary Clinton did the work and is my ideal. Let’s see what Palin does with the opportunity.
I’m out of here for the day, folks. God bless us all down the road and down-ticket!
#195 maxgrader
Well said. We absolutely need help with the economy. But we need personal accountability just as much, if not more so.
diva2
Please see my question to you #159. I am interested in documenting coercion of the pledged delegates, wanted to know if it was across the board or not. Your post couple days ago suggested it was not (at least for one State). Please reply
#71 TX Democrat on 08.29.08 at 2:28 pm
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Oh lordy! Must we continue to kick this tired old nearly dead horse. Please give most women more credit that we do not vote with our uterus for cyring out loud. Also, the Roe v Wade decision is about privacy rights, NOT specifically about abortion, therefore it is protected constitutinally. The SC has already ruled, it is precedent and WILL NOT be overturned. Period.
#136 goandersen, Ohio just passed a law that enables voters to register one minute and vote the next… all without any form of ID. I hear the ONC and acorn have strategies to use laws such as this to their advantage in several states they have targeted since fraud is the only way they can win. We must push for more safeguards against voter fraud.
http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/story/steven_foley/2008/08/14/ohio_democrats_pass_same_day_registration_and_voting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NtjZBolLLI
I like the New Democratic Party idea and will sign up to find out more. I clicked on the web link, but I guess it isn’t up and running yet.
Also, I just remembered that when Oprah was launching BO’s pres campaign (in that ill-conceived show she put on with him) she admitted that she had herself voted for Republicans. That statement might be coming back to haunt her. How will she make the argument that women shouldn’t vote for McCain/Palin?
I won’t say who I will vote for or not vote for in November’s presidential race, as that is my business. If this serves as an olive branch to the BO people, I am strongly considering at least going to the polls and voting for Democrats in the lower (state/local) spots. I was planning on staying home.
-Lara08
#184 Bigcatlover
Sorry, just got back last night and am ready to fight.
I am sending out the info. collected by Lynette Long from http://www.caucasanalysis.org and the 10 minute teaser on the Audacity of Democracy to EVERYONE I know and let them know the truth about the elections. Time to let any and everyone we know, the thievery of the Democratic party.
Hi go, hi mamapuma!
mamapuma, it was great to meet you in Denver, and I loved our little ride to the msnbc stage on Monday.
TX Dem: Senator McCain is against ear marks. His submission amount is zero. He called for the surge and went against Bush many times, this being one of them. The right wing of the Republican party does not like him; neither do the zeolot Evangelicals. He is a Vietnam vet who understand that when we have to fight, we get them in and out as fast as possible. I don’t want to turn from Hillary bashing to McCain bashing. Obviously, Senator McCains VP has sent a ripple across the democratic party. It was a brilliant pick; one that Obama and the party elders should have embraced. They did not, Senator McCain did. Check mate.
@217 TX Democrat:
I am looking forward to energy independence and cutting the fat in Washington so our tax dollars are spent wisely. I am also looking forward to a woman VP, and I like Governor Palin from what I can see.
I may disagree with them on a lot of issues, but Obama and the “changed” dem party big tops are not an option for me. Voting for Obama is so wrong, on so many levels for me, for example: a vote for Obama is a reward for their gender discrimination. Not gonna happen.
I can be satisfied with 4 years of McCain/ Palin and I look forward to Hillary in 2012.
I am only speaking for myself.
As far as I can tell, John McCain has not promised anything. Maybe I am wrong. But he is as empty as Obama in my eyes.
What sticks out is the celebrity ads, and the 3am ads. All of the campaign that I can remember has been negative. Sadly, that is what works.
Karl Rove scared everyone into re-electing Bush. Personally I was disgusted that tactic worked so well.
I do not want to lose another election this time based on spite. It may feel good at the moment but in the long run we are only hurting ourselves.
Re-posts from downstairs
Stardust,
RE: “The Democratic Party is no longer the Democratic Party. It has died; I now belong to the Puma Party!!!” , I agree. I think it’s long over-due!
p.s. hope you bought Willie Nelson “Stardust” by now! ;D
jenniforhillary
THIS IS OBOT FREE COUNTRY HERE….
TDF! (“Too damn funny!”)
Love the idea, just not happy about the platform.
I know you want to remain moderate, but the lack of LGBT inclusion left a sting with me. ‘Equality’ just doesn’t quite cover it. There are SOOOO many alienated gays and lesbians left out in the cold this year; reaching out to them will not only help the party’s numbers, it will provide a place of warmth for a group that has been plenty maligned.
Please consider the inclusion of this minority group.
And, as always, thanks for all that you do.
Lets all celebrate the week of women suffage we have a women in the ROLE of VP. The DNC and Obama turned down the BEST women but I will not punish another qualified women the way the DNC did Hillary
#222 NObamaDem on 08.29.08 at 3:24 pm
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Oh and most of us are smart enough to know that ALL SC nominees must be approved by 2/3 majority in Congress and right now, and we will be fighing to keep it that way, the DEMS control Congress. That’s why we need a Democratically controlled veto proof Congress ladies and gentlemen.
#223 ipotter – “We must push for more safeguards against voter fraud.”
*** MURPHY – CAN WE ADD THIS TO THE PLATFORM? ***
#196 TX Democrat
‘My hope is that Hillary will help craft the universal health care. I don’t think Obama will get in the way. If he just rubber stamps the work of other Democrats that is perfectly fine with me.’
Of course BO won’t get in the way! Why not step aside and let Hillary get elected and take the credit for a plan she has been crafting and retooling all along?
McCain is known to cross the aisles and will allow Hillary to shine in this arena if she wants. No need for BO to rubber stamp.
murphy !!! I will bet that Sarah Palin will meet with you. I know we want have a new Dem party, but even with that, you could tell her, face to face, about PUMA and why we are here. The issues, where we stand, our fears about the Reps as well. Couldn’t hurt.
IMHO
Also, any guesses as to when she will be on Oprah ?
#200 Dragonfly
During the roll call it is my understanding that they keep the count low for Hillary so she would not out number XO. When California came up they passed if they would have placed their votes I believe the numbers would have went over XO’s. There were several states that passed and it stopped at NY where Hillary took over and handed XO the nomination with acclamation. Hillary would have beat him again but the DNC refuses to let her have the nomination. In my opinion because she is a woman. That is all it boils down too. GAWD!! XO IS A FAKE!!! I hear people should read his books it will help explain who he is and it isn’t good.
#229 kat in your hat on 08.29.08 at 3:26 pm
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Absolutely agreed!!!
Oh when states did not place their votes you would think XO’s numbers went down as well.
McCain – you the Hero for our Country AGAIN!!
Ok, well I appreciate the honest debate. Thanks for hearing me and not calling me a troll, etc.
I will keep thinking about this. There is still a good amount of time for deciding. I hope people here will do the same and try to get past the anger and think long term.
Maybe John McCain will go back to being the John McCain of 2000.
Thank you again and take care.
TX Dem: On the evening that Mrs. Obama and Kennedy showed up to give their speeches, an entire segment of photos were shown with Kennedy and Obama, stating that it would be Ted and Obama who would lead the way for Healthcare reform. There was no mention of Senator Clinton in this endeavor. Tell me. How many Kennedys does Obama plan to select for his cabinet. All of them? There would be no healthcare reform initiatives if not for the Clinton administration. How dare Obama who threw his plan together with a lot of people’s help just to run for President? And now here comes Kennedy with Obama in his billionaire pockets and he is going to take all her hard work credit. Since Kennedy devised this whole plan to pick Obama and keep Senator Clinton out of the White House, I will never vote for Obama/Kennedy.
Hell hath no fury like a PUMA scorned.
Nobama. Nobiden. November.
TOPIC: Voter Fraud, Caucus Fraud
ABSOLUTELY. This MUST be a top priority for PUMA’s!
My dear Pumas,
I am so proud, so proud of you.
Today this is a historical decision : congratulations !
I think this is the best thing you could do seeing the division of the Democratic party.
Of course, it will take a long time ; you will have moments of discouragement, but I’m sure that in the long run, you will succeed. For your cause is just.
In france, there have been several creations of new parties in history, when a given political party was too corrupt or too divided. And some have been successful : so you must believe in yourselves ! I am optimistic !
#235 emme on 08.29.08 at 3:28 pm
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I agree! Murphy perhpsa this should be on our platform list – total overhaul of the primary elections processes in our country!
Geraldine Ferraro was on a phone interview in FOX a little while ago and talked about The PUMAs!!!
She said the “PUMA voters” may have a significant impact on the elections… said that they are furious at the DNC, at the way Hillary was treated by the media, etc… and talked about how PUMAs plan to vote either for McCain, for a 3rd party, write Hillary in or stay home… etc. When she started to talk about how McCain picking a woman running mate may appeal to PUMAs I was distracted by a phone call.
Did anyone else catch this interview?
Now in FOX (without Ferraro) they’re talking about the disgruntled Hillary supporters and whether they’ll go for McCain in bigger numbers now that he picked Palin.
good afternoon pumas
I was on the beach in the mediterranean
I was listening music on microradio “kiss FM” all music they hardly give news, and they said breaking news, MM has picked SARAH PALIN
I STARTED TO JUMP AND SCREAM ON BEACH, MY FRIENDS THOUGHT I WAS CRAZY
before 24 hrs MR EXRAVANGASAS have faded away
the taste of greek temple lasted little
I was reading about in the pass days SHE REALLY IS GOOD
Flowerchild2
It is so true they are STEALING ideas from Hillary & giving her no credit.
We were talking about the economy at work. A coworker told me this morning she watched O’s speech last night, and was bragging how he said during the Clinton years our country MADE money, not LOST money.
Obama trying to ride on the coattails of the Clintons, and they get nothing in return. It never ends.
#246 delphinefromfrance
What are you hearing in France about McCain’s VP pick?
I just think that having a decision about how to vote this early is potentially shooting ourselves in the foot.
Don’t get so entrenched that you can’t be persuaded to either side. Hatred and anger do horrible things to our thoughts. It is time to let go of our fears/hate.
Vote with your head. Not your rage.
Thank God for dogs otherwise I would be risking a stroke!!
I’m still in.
#210 GoHillaryGo
Very eloquently expressed, GoHillary. I think your perspective is powerful and makes complete sense, given the realities of today.
Thank you delphinefromfrance!
They are just having too much fun with this on late night shows…..LOL
The Tonight Show with Jay Leno
Barack Obama has accepted the Democratic nomination for president of the United States. He gave his acceptance speech on the anniversary of Martin Luther King’s “I have a Dream” speech. And just two days after Hillary Clinton gave her “I Had a Dream!” speech.
They had a Mount Olympus backdrop with columns on it . . . a little over the top. Like when they introduced him as “Barack — son of Zeus!” That seemed over the top.
Last night, during his speech, Bill Clinton promised to do everything he could to help Barack Obama win the election. Hillary said, “That’s nice — but you know Bill . . . keeping promises is not his strong suit.”
According to the New York Post, a delegate at the convention received information packets with three separate warmings not to drink too much, because alcohol has a much greater effect at higher altitudes. I guess they didn’t want anyone getting drunk and accidentally sleeping with John Edwards again.
Late Show Top Ten
Top Ten Surprises in Barack Obama’s Democratic National Convention Address
10. Delivered speech in a bright orange pantsuit
9. Wants to change October to “Barack-tober”
8. Most of speech was devoted to his Labor Day barbecue cole slaw recipe
7. Outlined plan for America, then took calls about the Broncos defense
6. Kept saying to John Kerry, “Hey, why the long face?”
5. Twelve-and-a-half minutes of, “Testing-one-two”
4. Performed hilarious ventriloquist act with Dennis Kucinich on his lap
3. Promised to make Pluto a state
2. Plans to bring peace to Lo and Audrina on “The Hills”
1. Also pronounces “nuclear,” “nucular”
Late Show with David Letterman
Last night Barack Obama was officially nominated Democratic candidate for president of the United States. I think things are starting to look bad for Hillary.
Bill Clinton spoke last night. He’s a powerful orator. But this was sort of sad . . . in the middle of Clinton’s speech, wandering out on stage, was John McCain in his bathrobe.
I like John McCain. He looks like the guy who turns his business over to his son, but still shows up once a week.
John McCain has finally decided on his choice for vice president. The only question now is, from which house will he make the announcement?
Late Night with Conan O’Brien
Political experts says that John McCain is going to try to steal attention away from the Democrats tonight by leaking the name of his running mate. Experts say there’s a pretty good chance McCain will leak something else too.
Last night at the convention, Bill and Hillary Clinton were in the elevator together when it got struck between floors for five minutes. A spokesman called it a minor technical glitch, while Bill Clinton called it, “My own personal hell.”
Today, both John McCain and Michael Jackson will celebrate their birthday. So it will be the birthday of an old white guy and John McCain.
Jimmy Kimmel Live!
After all the naming problems this campaign has had, why Obama would pick a running mate with the last name Biden is beyond me. Obama-Biden — it’s like they’re trying to sound as much like Osama bin Laden as possible. They found the two guys in America that sound most closely with the person we hate more than anyone in the world.
I would have gone with an Obama-Valderrama ticket.
The inside word is that Obama went back and forth with Biden and Virginia Gov. Tim Kane. Ultimately, it came down to a game of Barack-paper-scissors.
For her speech at the convention, Hillary wore a very smart saffron pantsuit. Before she picked the pantsuit, they actually tested some on the stage. The tried to see which one would look best on camera. When it comes to pantsuits, is there ever really a right choice?
#223 ipotter
I agree, and we also have to fight redistricting.
TOPIC: TEXAS AND CALIFORNIA DELEGATES
TEXS4HILLARY, that’s not all. I met several Texas delegates who approached ME to tell me they are big-time Hillary supporters. Couldn’t wait for rollcall, in fact.
Being near the end of the alphabet they never got a chance.
Not to mention California, HUGE state for Hillary, and a “bellweather” state to boot, having to take a “PASS.”
#209 PretJean
Let’s face a few facts here: as President, McCain will have the opportunity to replace 2 (and possibly 3) Supreme Court Judges with staunchly conservative ones like Scalia and Thomas. The object is to overturn Roe v Wade.
Even as President in 2012, Hillary can do nothing about it! Voting for McCain has serious consequences for a woman’s right to choose, long after he has left office, a point Hillary HERSELF brought up numerous times during the campaign.
Hillary has fought FOR a woman’s right to choose.
Hillary has fought FOR equal pay for woman.
McCain is opposed to BOTH these things!
I’m beginning to think there are alot of McCain operatives in PUMA clothing that are trolling this site, who cry crocodile tears over what happened to us and looking to steal our votes.
Hi, go!!
Is it called gerrymandering?? That’s what my 17-year old daughter told ME last night! ;D
Lisa – no its all Greek to me – tried to go through some of it – but like you not a lawyer – way over my head – I just sent an excerpt of what was said on the blog – copy pasted and forwarded it over via comment – as I said could not get onto the blog site –
Have to go out for a couple of hours – JodyinFlorida will send you what I sent as a comment – maybe one of you could get into their site and let them do the work
Love all you Pumas!!!
We can make the best Party in the World!!!
One We Can Be Proud To Pass Down To Our Children!!!
#259 Wise Women Be Smart – I’m beginning to think there are alot of Obama operatives in PUMA clothing that are trolling this site, who cry crocodile tears over what happened to us and looking to steal our votes.
#168 TxDem,
Thanks for your acknowledment.
Regarding your 401k… that would not have happened if it was woking at a fixed rate. Fixed rates offer guaranteed returns. BORING guaranteed returns, though.
I don’t know what fixed rate is being offered by your plan, but if I were you and older on the conservative side I’d keep it fixed. If you wanted to invest your 401k otherwise then put no more than 15% of your vested interest into a diversified fund. The best way to go is to be diverse with your investments. That way if one investment in your 401k isn’t performing well there are others that will make up the loss. In the long run good investments always will go up. According to historical performances on Wall Street the average return over time has always been an 8% on the average. I consider that a nice amount.
I get all my confidence in investing from the late, great Louis Rukeyser of PBS’s Wall Street Week fame. You simple have to be patient, ignor the market’s ups and downs and let your money work over time (10-20 years) and you WILL get that nice return. That’s what Mr. Rukeyser always advised. That kind of philosophy sure worked for me.
Remember to diversify your 401k if you want to be a little risky. Otherwise, I’d settle for a fixed return where the only direction your money goes is up, albeit at a conservative pace.
#260 hillstheone
Hi comrade!!!
We have work to do here in CA, “gereymandering” is just part of it! o:
Wise Women Be Smart:
You are the wisest one yet.
Thank you so much!
It is so obvious that the GOP goons are pandering. Leave us alone we don’t want your shiny toy Palin. We will not be distracted!
Don’t let them take away our rights!!
GTG, BBL…
#263 emme
Ditto
- Sarah Palin would be the first woman VP.
- In Ohio today (in her acceptance speech as McCain’s running mate) she praised Hillary.
From: http://news.yahoo.com/story/ap/cvn_veepstakes
She mentioned that she followed in the footsteps of Geraldine Ferraro, who was the Democratic vice presidential running mate in 1984, and referred favorably to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, who drew 18 million votes in her unsuccessful run against Obama for the Democratic nomination.
“But it turns out the women of America aren’t finished yet and we can shatter that glass ceiling once and for all,” she said
And from: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/30/us/politics/29palin.html?hp
Ms. Palin praised the achievement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, who lost a long and bitter primary race against Senator Obama, saying that she had left “18 million cracks” in the highest glass ceiling in the land.
Then, making an explicit appeal to Ms. Clinton’s disappointed supporters, she said, “It turns out that the women in America aren’t finished yet, and we can shatter that glass ceiling.”
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Someone in FOX earlier said: “She has made more important decisions in one year as a governor than BO has as a Senator.”
Hillstheone: we are on the same page, sister. We know the truth. Obama has stolen, lied and cheated his way into the White House all with the backing of Kennedy and the rest of them. Now he will praise the Clinton Administration after degrading President and Senator Clinton – so he can become President.
Looks to me like Obama and his cronies in Washington’s chickens are coming home to roost.
#261 Rodham in Flag on 08.29.08 at 3:40 pm
if you haven’t left yet please send it to my email: myname (w/out spaces) add puma at gee male.
let’s not clog the blog.
TX Democrat
I would like to hear other peoples response. How do you support reproductive rights AND vote for someone who says they want Roe v. Wade overturned. Anyone dare to answer
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I have responded more than once before to this same old tired question you keep posting. The Dems are using this tried and tested, old, and tired tactic again, year after year, election after election. This is not a one-issue election. You would have a hard time convincing me that the Dems are advocates of all womens’ rights after the primary race and Hillary’s treatment. The silence of the DNC was deafening. Don’t lose sight of the fact that Dean and Brazile made it abundantly clear that they no longer needed our (middle-aged women) votes. I want the Dems to *demonstrate* and advocate for ALL womens’ rights, not just Roe v. Wade.
I call my vote for McCain this year my protest vote. Hopefully, the Dems will take heed after losing this election and never try to negotiate back-room deals, strong-arm delegates and superdelegates, ignore corrupt caucuses, change the rules in the middle of the game…all to usurp my vote and the votes of millions of others, because they have another plan to implement — in this case, to coronate another candidate as they have with Obama.
Taking this a step further, I do not feel that Roe v. Wade will be overturned. I think it is a foregone conclusion that the Dems will win a majority (or close to it) in Congress. A Dem Congress will not endorse any uber-conservative justice to be appointed the to Supreme Court. McCain/Palin and a democratic led congress will provide an excellent system of checks and balances.
#209 PretJean, you apparently just dropped in and haven’t been around long enough to read much. We don’t buy into your propaganda. We own our votes, and our ovaries, and are smart enough to know an obot when we see one.
#106 Kat- BO isn’t fit to be VP, but wants to criticize HER?
Palin has been in Iraq and visited troops? Fantastic!
#208 iammykittysmom
Hey… a person who is just like me!!! I am a moderate republican and have been welcome here as a PUMA too!! I, as well as you, feel that I can not be a part of the New Party… but I know I can support the efforts as a PUMA. NOBOMA!!!!
nativegirl
#276
My the trolls are running. I need a fishing rod. Noticed it last night too.
188 goandersen
Hey BillieJo!
Just getting my bearings here.
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Hey Go! I am doing the same. Brain cells are still sluggish from Denver and new PUMAs are going though growing pains on the blog. Ugh!
I love being home in the Bay Area.
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To new PUMAs on the blog –
My guess is the new PUMA party is symbolic to make it clear to the media and Republican Party that we are not going to be used by Republicans for our vote, and if our vote is for McCain, it is in protest to the DNC and bojo only.
Our political values are Democratic and our protest vote is not biased on getting ANY woman in the Whitehouse. Thank God it wasn’t Romney!
259 Wise Women Be Smart:
Please do not accuse people here of being McCain operatives or trolls. A significant development has occurred today. We are expressing different views. Please do not spread fear and mistrust among us. WE have dealt with enough vicious trolls through this entire time and are well equipped to deal accordingly.
Peace,
Flower
Precious still has his vicious little bed buggers – my god they are out in full force today all over the blogs – only now they’re posing as Republicans who are reluctantly, reluctantly I say, going to vote for Obama
Shouldn’t they be back in school trying to learn something educational or is the system so dumbed down that it doesn’t make any difference?????
When Democracy returns to the Democratic Party, so will we.
#277 snowtiger on 08.29.08 at 3:47 pm
My the trolls are running. I need a fishing rod. Noticed it last night too.
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Too much bait. Like strays–if you keep feeding them they won’t go away.
I will consider joining, but I know right now that I want nothing to do with the Democratic party.
This is a party that trashed women and its own base. Carter recently trashed McCain about “milking” his POW ordeal. Now, they are trashing Palin as the mother of a Down’s Syndrome child; they question if she is capable of serving.
These people are reprehensible.
They’ve nominated the disgusting candidate they deserve, and I hope, in my heart of hearts, that they go down with him.
LISA
” we each have to work with OUR OWN state, and send enough info to convince the SofS that we aren’t just crazy crackpots listening to blog rumours. Also, each state is different about when the cutoff is for contesting a candidate”
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I agree with you that we have to work state by state.
Yesterday I look for information to cahnge my party preference from democrat to Republican to vote for McCain. This morinig the fact that he choose Sara Palin as a VP reinforced my decision.
However after reading all your posts, I am in doubt. Murphy’s, Texas and a few more opinions put me to think again.
WHY?
Let’s take New York, if you go Republican, then you
can not vote for Hillary as a Senator.
In my case (CA) I wish I can vote against Boxer, but I am pro Feinstain. If I move Republican, I canno’t do that
Do you know what I mean ?
Besides, I see Palin a brilliant women, I like her very much, but at the same time is kind of opportunism from the republican, because they knew we will support them with a VP woman.
I am all for a new party. I also want the DNC held fully accountable for their actions and the Obama campaign investigated for the rampant caucus fraud. There has already been several information gathering investigative actions begun. I hope this is never let go of until it comes to the light of day. ACORN actions, unregistered voters, locking out Hillary supporters, underaged caucus sitters, people voting twice, dead people voting! ALL of it.
If the DNC thinks this is “change” they are certifiably insane. It’s the kind of change I will never vote for. They are now worse than the republicans ever were.
Obama used misogyny and cheating to “win” and the DNC sanctioned it all. I cannot be a part of that.
Alice Paul did it and we can too. I’ll vote against them to save the party for the future. Too bad they are the ones who don’t care about the American people. They thought they could get away with this because we would be backed into a corner but, when you start letting people cheat to win, steal votes and gain power by hate then it’s time to take a stand that far outweighs anything else.
I’m in for any actions. They think we are going away. They better think again.
I like the idea of a new party.
A justifiable one at that. Every other third party was really fringe. This one could be the change we were really waiting for.
#264 maxgrader
Thank you for your advice. Trust me, this has been a learning experience and we (husband and I) realize we made mistakes. We are in a situation now where we have to ride it out because we have lost so much. It doesn’t make sense to take the money out, now.
I appreciate that you took the time to respond.
#278 BillieJo
…….new PUMAs are going though growing pains on the blog. Ugh!
More like giving birth! Puuuuuuuuussssssssssshhhhhhhhh!
Breeeeeeeeeeaaaaaatheeeeeee!
I forgot that we run the risk of having a strong majority of GOP placed judges on the Supreme Court!!
We can have the majorities in Congress and the White House and they could all be overturned by SCOTUS.
Oh I think a blood vessel just popped!!
Where’s my dog? I need to calm down.
If given the chance BO will be worst than Bush. I am so disgusted with the DNC it is beyond anything I’ve ever felt or thought possible.
I like McCains choice, and I know Roe-vs-Wade won’t be overturned.
The DNC threw away Hillary and McCain took advantage of it.
At least he wants the Pro-Hillary voters not like the DNC / BO.
I can’t wait to see BO and the DNC fall !!!!!a
#74
please stop attacking others for hat they feel is right for them~
everyone “OWN’s” their vote to do with it as they feel~
no one should inflict they choice on others or judge others here for what thay will do with their vote!
I own my vote as do all others here~
our platform here is that we all agree not to support bo! and that is it! that is our binding connection~ after that it is our own choice.
NOBAMA — NOBIDEN– NOVEMBER
WE WILL REMEBER THE CHEATING AND FRAUD , SEXISM AGAINST THE MOST QUAILFIED CANIDATE IN HISTORY
HILLARY R. CLINTON 18 MILLION VOTERS MORE THAN OTHER IN HISTORY AND WE WILL REMEBER !!!!!!!!
I WILL WORK HARD TO MAKE SIRE MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS VOTE AGAINST OBAMA AND THE CORRUPT CHI. POLITICS NEVER LET HIM GET ANYWHERE CLOSE TO OUR WHITE HOUSE !!! HE IS A NATIONAL SECURTIY THREAT TO OUR NATION !!!!!!!
WRIGHT
REZCKO
AYERS
ODINGA
AND MANY MANY MORE
THANKYOU HILLARY WE WILL TAKE IT FROM HERE !!!!
to me it was funny that in an all music station , they would stop and give news
where in the pass it had been impossible to make them understand what was going on, mainly I think is due to the fact that inernational media correspondents are manipulated by the thugs, and who knows maybe bought
Do any of you Puma’s feel you’ve had some kind of spiritual awakening over the last three months?
I swear this rollercoaster has taken me to the depths of my soul!!!
It will take awhile to put it all to words, but I’ve revisited more of my own assumptions and values during this time, than any other time in my life.
How about you?
hillstheone
I know Hillary would have smoked him BIG time. I would like to know what the true numbers are. There is one SD in Texas and that is Chet Edwards who supported XO and NOW he needs to be replaced. The rest are republicans. I DO NOT LIKE HOW THE CITIES HAVE BEEN GOING IN AND BANNING PEOPLE WHO SMOKE FROM BARS. RAISING TAXES ON TOBACCO. The old mayor of Dallas started all this and it may get worse. I am going to move out of Texas yet and I have lived here all my life. The cities go in and just start making laws you can’t do this you can’t do that and we been doing it for a 100 yrs. WHAT happened to this is a free country? I am suprised we do not get taxed for breathing the air. I have been going to paralegal school for the past 3 years part time and I am fixing to graduate however, I keep thinking that maybe I can get smart enough to start trying to get laws changed. You don’t have to be in the government to do this. Get with your local senator. Ours just happens to be our attorney. LOL! or his partner is anyway. HILLARY was suppose to be our president. Hey look at the bright side Palin is female and she is not going to let Mccain do something that will effect her so, she can keep an eye on him. I honestly believe that MCCAIN has learned more from people which has changed his mind on issues he once had. He sees another perspective than his own. The republicans said last night MCCAIN should pick Hillary. So they have a tremendous amount of respect for Hillary even when she bashed him the other night. Mccain has not done anything or said anything disrepectful towards her.
HILLARY/MCCAIN’08
the only thing that I feel sorry is HILLARY
#283 ElyLos Angeles
IT doesn’t matter how you are registered to vote for someone in general elections or midterms elections. Republicans/Independents/Democrats can vote for Hillary (or anyone else when she comes up for election next time). The only time it matters if for the primaries and that’s in some states. In others, I think you can vote in whichever party’s primary…
there are a lot of obots here…NOT pointing them out but they are lifting ideas and you know I’m from texas
Keep loggin in front work..JERSEY
girl I was asleep last night and missed your call but we can talk tonight…
The race is on, let’s get started….waiting for the prowl!!
GO PUMA…GO HILLARY….GO McCAIN/PALIN!!
#221 Remember November. This was my experience:
1. We had heard of coercion and pressure over the past few weeks trying to force Hillary delegates to vote for nobo.
2. I met a Hillary Delegate on Tuesday night while sitting next to her on light rail. She was a HIllary delegate from MIssouri and had not received ANYTHING asking her to vote for Obama which was good news at that time.
3. The next day, the delegates (at least the HIllary delegates) at their delegate state meetings in the morning were to write down their vote. Some Hillary delegates who had drank the kool-aid were telling the delegates that they should vote for nobo. The other delegates were getting angry because they felt it was THEIR obligation to represent the people who sent them there and were going to vote for Hillary. Apparently, whips were sent in to also try to force them to vote for Obama.
Knoxville Tennessee posted a story in the Knoxville paper that told exactly what happened with their delegates. Her post was probably between 1-4am on Thursday morning (the Wednesday late night thread). Great story!!
By the way, unconfirmed, I heard that this “pre-voting” done at the delegate meetings has NEVER been done before. It is normally done on the floor.
Also, to our knowledge there was no chain of custody on the written votes. So, the votes that left the rooms may have turned into something else by the time they got to Obama and the DNC.
4. My brother, the lobbyist, was out with a friend of his Wednesday night, who was a Hillary delegate and he said the vote was a “sham.” I hope to ask him for more details but couldn’t while I was there.
5. I don’t know if there is other documentation but I am sure there is.
6. I asked Knoxville to see if she can research this and get more examples and keep it in a file. Maybe you can get the names and contact info on pledged delegates and send them letters/emails to find out if they had problems as well during their meetings.
1. If you can collect as much info as possible on the coercion, that would be great. Try to get testimonies from Hillary delegates and try to get them to give their names.
The votes are suppose to be available as public records. Apparently the delegates had to sign their names by their votes.
2. There are at least 13 states that require pledged delegates to vote for the person they are pledged to on the first vote. If you could send letters to the attorney generals and secretary of states to confirm the votes and investigate and determine if any delegate in their state broke the law. You might explain there is alot of question re: whether the delegates did their job or not and what the penalties will be and ask they take action against those that broke the law. Always ask for a time frame that you expect them to reply by. “I will be looking forward to your reply by (give a date no less than a week) to make sure they are researching it and that you will follow up. Put all info in a file as we compile all of the horrendous stuff done.
All of this would help soooo much.
Thanks,
#281 jody in florida
McCain just went up ten notches in my book.
True, I shall take my own advice and ignore them as I keep telling others to do.
However I am so hyped.
McCain has in move wiped out the CHosen ones startegy.
No one can bring up her inexperience, BIden cannot go into “attackdog” mode and every time she speaks it will be a reminder of the sexism that was used against Hillary.
Message from Will Bower… Kind of interesting!
Subject: Hillary Clinton for Senate Majority Leader in 2009
“The DNC may have undermined 18,000,000 voters…
…but we can do our best to make sure that the DSCC and the Senate don’t do the same.
Let those Senatorial candidates up for election in November know that, if they want our votes, that they will pledge to elect Hillary Clinton our next Senate Majority Leader.
Like LBJ in the late 1950s, Hillary Clinton can lead this country from that seat of power… and we 18,000,000 will have our voices better served and respected.”
What do you think?????
She can then move on to President in 2012. Right?
#273 was in response to #259, not #209… sorry. Still recovering from trip, I guess.
#293 alohapuma – Me too. I found my voice again.
Thank you PUMAs!
#194 taggles1
billie joe, goanderson! how the hell are ya!
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Hi Taggles, I am trying to recover from Denver. Feet have so many blisters I can’t wear anything but *61flip-flops. We couldn’t wait to get the heck out of Denver and enjoyed the flight home during the time Bo was flying in by his jetpacks to the MileHigh smoke a bong speech.
Still missing some brain cells from the crappy Denver thin air, but am so happy to be back in the den. Missed you.
#293 alohapuma
Idk, all I can say is after Hillary gave her speech and everything became clear I slept for maybe 14 hours straight.
Didnt realize how much emotion I had actually invested in her pulling it off.
283 ElyLosAngeles
When I said we have to work from our own state, I meant that complaints to the secretary of state about xo’s eligibility for POTUS have to come from the citizens of that particular state.
If you can make a good enough case to your Secretary of State (and we all should know who they are by now, after the last week!), then the Secretary of State can demand paperwork proof of eligibility. There is only a few days in some states, and exactly a week in others to get this done.
Sometimes, this blog cracks me up
I’m leaving for the labor day weekend. I hope everyone has a good one.
Storytellers #295 — absolutely.
McCain’s choice is absolutely devastating when we think about what could have been and what should have been. With Hillary as the nominee and BO as VP, we could have had 16 YEARS in the White House.
If we jump ship to the Republicans now the Dem Party is DOOMED.
We must stay united as Democrats.
@ 300:
Hillary Clinton for Senate Majority Leader in 2009
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=72075850013
#300 kat in your hat
YES!! Great idea. Hillary as senate leader.
Ha ha! A coup.
See, this whole thing has proven it is always darkest before the dawn.
293 alohapuma
Yep, I feel that way too. I feel like I was shaken right down to my foundation and forced to rethink everything I once took for granted. Like Carol King’s song: “I felt the ground shake under my feet.”…..
Or Dylan….”The times they are a’changin’….”
How does that saying go: something about being flexible to bend in the wind, rather than brittle and break.
291 TLCPuma
ditto!
I was not in Denver but all the Liberal media did was pretty much discount the Pumas as a few, disgruntled, die-hard Hillary supporters, they basically pushed our movement under the rug and out the door…just like our votes! I hope the KARMA they experience in November is reminiscent of what happened…i doubt it will make there loss any less painful though!
snowtiger I am with you.
brilliant move by McCain.
Are we getting the other Puma and anti -bo sites on board with our Party?
I am so excited and proud for my Pumas for taking this step – it’s absolutely awesome!!!
#286 TxDem,
That’s EXACTLY what you should be doing. Be patient. I guarantee you the market will be going up, up, up. Hopefully in the very near future. I only hope you don’t ever need to withdraw from your 401k in the meantime. If you have reserve funds keeping you and your hubby going comfortably then no problem. Your 401k will not fail you. Again give it time. Withdraw only when the good times return and your 401k has finally reached your goal.
When we join the Newdemparty, are we suppose to get a confirmation in our e-mail?
I am delighted with our new party – we deserve to be heard – I think we probably hold the outcome of the election in our paws.
As for the McCain/Palin ticket – he did what he had to do to shore up his base and offered us somewhere to go – not the best choice in terms of the issues – but then
at least he didn’t “brush us off his shoulders” or give us the finger like the annointed one did. I can live with 4 years of this ticket and then hopefully we can get the real winner elected in 2012.
I’ll have real trouble voting down ticket for the Dems – especially those traitors who moved a little to quickly to BO – watch out Senator Boxer – way to go Senator Feinstein. Now we ALL have to work to get Madame Pelosi out – especially with the line of succession info we have been getting here.
Murphy, whenever you run for office you have my vote
#307 murphy
Well Murphy best of luck with that. As an independent I wouldn’t support this democratic party if you paid me.
I supported Hillary and helped here where I could to stop the blatantly corrupt dnc.
Imho the democratic party as it currently stands should be sent to the dustbin of history.
#11 LandiPUMA on 08.29.08 at 2:02 pm ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
SWING STATES STRATEGIES
– Ways and tactics to help defeat BO should take high priority now.
– This is a very close election! BO is in the lead or tied in national & swing-state polls!
– If BO wins, Hillary’s future presidential hopes likely END.
– If BO looses, Hillary can run (and win) in 2012 !
– Having the first woman Vice President (Palin) now would be a breakthrough and would pave the way for the first woman President
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The only problem with your theory is…..If Palin is as good as I think she is…..Palin could be the first woman President elected in 2012.
Hillary may have blown her one and only chance at the Presidency. I say Hillary because, SHE is the one who gave in and gave up. Looks to me like Sarah Palin took Alaska and the Good Ole Boys by storm and would NEVER have backed down in a Presidential race, as our woman Hillary did. Hillary let us down……….Plain and simple.
I still love Hillary and wish her the best, but the fact remains she gave in to the pressure, the men and the DNC. SHE handed her delegates over to Obama at the convention after we fought to get her name on the roll call. NO matter for what reasons ….SHE let us down!
Hello PUMA’s~ got home from Denver 5:30 am and just woke up after an exhausting week! as you can see by my last post type O’s, I am not awake yet~ i started to read post and am not happy with how comments from others go on the attack for what another individual plans to do with their vote~ they own it! as do you own yours!
too many of us marched in Denver to support Hillary and be rep’s for PUMA’s everywhere to then come here and be attacked for what we will do~ it just isnt right damn it!
I like the idea that McCain picked Palin~ and by my supporting John, it doesnt mean I am a CHILD! if that is your view then speak for yourself~ you do not speak for me~ nor should you for anyone else~ so say “I” and not “WE”~
jeeesh got me started already!!!!!!!!!!
hi billiejo!!
It was a brilliant move on his part IMO!
I emailed back, wanting to join the new dem party, haven’t heard back yet, I am so excited!
Murphy — I look forward to exploring your idea of a New Dem Party. I am happy you are looking at possibilities for the future of the Puma movement. It has been such an amazing grass root effort. It is important to keep it alive and active.
I will not be voting for Obama and I cannot in good conscience vote for McCain. I will vote for 3rd party (possibly Nader) or nothing at the top.
Firebelle…delphine has a bunch on her blog today….including top of our page.
http://hillary.meilleur.choix.qu-obama.over-blog.com/
#320 Oneof18million cracks…
I will always have great respect for HRC. I cannot make a judgement against her for the actions she had to take this season. I have no idea what was hurled against her behind the scenes. She is still the leader in my book.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/30/us/politics/29palin.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1220040247-FESwSRjI3QpnVqStMmFX7A
Here’s the link and a quote from the article:
McCain Chooses Palin as Running Mate
“In choosing Ms. Palin — a 44-year-old mother of five who has been governor for less than two years — the McCain campaign reached far outside the Washington Beltway during an election in which the Democratic presidential nominee, Senator Barack Obama, is running on a platform of change.”
#288 StealingHistoryFromHillary
I feel your pain.
Not long ago I watched a documentary about our electoral process and it made me cry. It made me want to never vote again. Eventually I got over my bad feelings and now I am participating.
Here is a link to the last 10 minutes of the documentary, which really sums it all up. I want to warn that it is very sad and if you care about democracy as much as I do it may upset you.
Keep in mind these are the actual election officials. Not actors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzIHTSuniEM
So do you think Palin will be compared to Annie Oakley -remember the routine by Obama. Please don’t go hunting with Cheny, Sarah
(#272 Missy) My sentiments exactly. The DNC made a big mistake when they allowed Obama to take over the party with his arrogant personality. Obamatons are surprisingly misogynistic. I also hear they (the OLD Democratic party) only need our “tepid” support – they don’t care if our hearts are not in the party as long as our vote & $ go to them. I think Palin will help pull the Hispanic vote, which the OLD Democratic party has overlooked.
I think the (OLD) party is over.
I would like to see some new bumper stickers for the NEW democratic party, some gold ribbons, some wristbands … anything to get the message out and raise some funds.
Also – I encourage support for Cindy Sheehan who is running for Nancy Pelosi’s seat in Congress. This is an appropriate way to EXPRESS our anger.
#325 goandersen – I agree. Hillary is the one who is responsible for those 18 million cracks…
In order to GET the corrupted officials out and make things right is WE HAVE TO BE HEARD AND WE CAN NEVER GIVE IN TO WHAT PELOSI, REID, OBAMA, NEWS MEDIA think… THAT we will unite after they do this or we will unite after they do that.. DON’T give up and think nothing will change.. Once officials that are corrupted are not re-elected then they will listen TO THE PEOPLE!!! I WILL NEVER VOTE OBAMA! REMEMBER that can not use MCCAINs age as a factor now because BIDEN is no young pup if I am not mistaken he is in his 60’s..
OBAMA IS THE WEAKEST LINK… GOOD-BYE!!
Just wanted to wish the PUMAS a great long holiday weekend. I applaud Senator M for bringing back some of the dignity that was lost regarding women in the democratic primary. Roe vs. Wade is a law that will not be over turned if so it will be placed in the state level besides the democratic congress would have to approve the change. John MCCain did what Senator O refused to do because of his ego, he reached out to a woman, he has sent a clear message regarding equal pay for women, women in his cabinet if elected. Senator O had the same opportunity he could have given Hillary her moment by allowing her to be on top of the ticket, he did not, he could have acknowledged her presidenttial campaign by giving her the VP spot he did not, which I am glad that he did not. Poetic justice has been served today and hopefully it will be again in November. For all of us in the Gulf area be safe, let’s pray that Gustav and Hannah will silently go out to sea.
#232 meileen
message from Murphy
“Sorry — working on the fly. LGBT rights are part of equal rights.”
From Mama
Murphy on Hardball(s) tonight at 6pm eastern
I think that PUMAs are doing a wonderful job of keeping the comments focused on issues and off of each other. You make me proud.
WATCH MURPHY
Click, click, click at newdemparty@pumapac.org
#324 Taffy
Thanks, Taffy. I took only a quick look, because I’m scrambling to prepare for a conference of my own next week. I shouldn’t even be blogging today with all I have to do. But I can’t resist. It’s too exciting.
Why doesn’t someone clean up this blog and delete (and not allow) the trolls’ posts?!
We don’t need someone lecturing at us about why we shouldn’t vote for McCain and trying to ignite arguments. We know the issues and we know what we agree with and don’t agree with… but many of us PUMAs will still vote for McCain to protest the election and because of deeper longer-term reasons (in my case it’s primarily to pave the way for Hillary to run & win in 4 years).
We get a huge amount of posts here, making it difficult for us busy people to keep up, and we don’t need these distracting posts!
Watch the Obots attack Sarah Palin regarding her own ‘Troopergate’. It is a landmine. They’re too clueless not to step on it. It will blow up in their face.
Stay tuned PUMAs!
HMMM.. What do you do when a corrupted candidate running to be elected is the only one running for his/her spot???
SunnyPA #318
Absolutely!!
Murphy is great!
#294 Texas4hillary
Jennifer4hilary — would you please read my comments below and see if you can help on this in any way? It seems to me like it makes sense but I could just be way out in left field.
Congratulations on your soon graduation!! Good for you!
I have something for you to research if you have time.
Would you see if there was even one cent of tax money given used for the DNC, campaign, state campaigns, etc. how can we use that to fight the way they do business?? The federal judges have overturned anything re: the primary farce in Michigan and Florida as the DNC is a private company. BUT if any of our taxpayer money was used to support them, then we should have rights to sue or challenge the things that happened and seriously be considered. If I am right, many of the voting locations were public buildings.
If you have time, do you think you could research this a bit??
Hey Pumas – send emails to Cavuto at Faux News – just asked one of the stupidest questions yet – some kind of BS bout attacking women – Jayzus – they’re attacked Hillary since Bill was first elected as President and it has been continuous – how stupid can they be?
(This article was written before McCain’s VP pick announcement, which Ferraro stated she was “pleased” about.)
“What Hillary Clinton’s women want”
BY GERALDINE FERRARO
“The first are the PUMAs – which, as everyone now knows, stands for”Party Unity My A–.” For them – and over the last two weeks I havereceived hundreds of letters from women who consider themselves PUMAs- nothing Hillary could say or do would move them. They are livid atthe sexist way that Hillary was treated by the media, and even angrierat the Obama people, the Democratic National Committee and Howard Deanas chairman, for not speaking up against it. They believe that sexism is larger than this presidential race, thatit seeps into the fiber of our country and must be stopped. They areconvinced that if the media had been racist against Obama, Howard Deanwould have been shouting from the hilltops – and so would haveHillary. They feel the party accepted a double standard, and many haveindicated that they will either vote for McCain, write in Hillary’sname or just not vote for President.”
Read more here:
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/08/28/2008-08-28_what_hillary_clintons_women_want.html
Well, I think this is a good discussion. It is good to hear all points of view as we embark on a new adventure. I also could do without the attacks. If we are to have a new democratic party it should be inclusive. By that I mean, even though the people who would join would subscribe to the central mission, there should be room or multiple opinions or interpretations. Right now the PUMA mission is to defeat Obama. Every person is free to do that however they think best. But, I will say, in my opinion, to defeat Obama we do have to be united in some sort of strategy.
The New Democratic Party, as I understand it, and as I mentioned before, is to reform the democratic system and re-affirm the values of the old Democratic Party that have been lost to corruption.
I am very comfortable with both of these missions. I also think that the best ideas come out of hearing multiple opinions. People here have raised some very interesting questions and perspectives which can only enrich our group. Just my two cents.
#312 That’s why I like the name PUNA Democratic Party better-so they don’t forget who we are!!! Murphy-keep the name!
Mama~ I wanted to thank you for all you did for us PUMA’s in Denver~ wish I could have said goodbye to you~
{{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}}}
I forgot that we run the risk of having a strong majority of GOP placed judges on the Supreme Court!!
WRONG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
THE SUPREME IS AN APPOINTMENT FOR LIFE>>>>>
NONE OF THEM RIGHT NOW ARE SET TO EITHER DIE OR RETIRE!
NOT EVEN THE PRESIDENT CAN REPLACE THEM…THEY ARE THERE UNTIL THEY DIE OR RETIRE AS DID SANDRA DAY OCONNOR….PLEASE BEFORE YOU TRY AND USE THIS PROPAGANDA TO SWAY PEOPLE TO OBAMA EDUCATE YOURSELF ON THE RULES OF THE SUPREME COURT…..
SOMEONE WILL HAVE TO DIE OR CHOSE TO RETIRE TO BE REPLACED…..
#342 I mean PUMA!
#336 TEXS4HILLARY
Run against them.,
diva2
I would love to help but you would have to consult an attorney about those issues.
I can only hope the dirt and/or lawsuit about BO and the DNC comes out before November.
But they are so crooked and have the press so controlled I don’t see how it could.
Nothing sticks to this guy, what is he the anti-christ???
@ 340
Geraldine is right, but we are upset about even more.
I am glad she is speaking up for pumas in general. I really appreciate it.
We should always try to stay in touch with Geraldine Ferraro.
#335 THANK YOU LANDI!!!!!! DITTO!!!
#335 Landipuma
Please cut our fearless leaders a break. They have been working in Denver day and night and some may not even be home yet. WE are all exhausted and they must surely be even more than me. Give it some time for them to regroup and get back to their time zones and get some well needed sleep. If you see a troll, just ignore it for now.
Thank you!
diva2,
LMAO!!!
#298 diva2
Thanks diva2. That is very helpful. Missouri not CA. I wrote snail mail to 235 of Hillary’s pledged California delegates, urging them to resist any coercion to change their votes. It sure would be good to know who voted what before contacting them again. Does anyone know if we will ever have access to that info? Please let us know – I read (probably here) that those data are not made available until a year after the Convention? Guess I will try the personal approach. I have one potential lead.
Also, diva2, the link that you posted in 226:
http://www.caucasanalysis.org
for caucus fraud did not work for me?
Thanks again
still vote your conscience at top of ticket
I believe our mission is to vote against OBAMA and vote for other Democrats in other sections….
BUT the point of the PUMAS is to COST Obama the ELECTION!
I’ll be on Hardball tonight at 6pm
and Sheri’s show The Lion’s Share
Let’s all send some Depends to the CNN situation room!!!
they’re s***ting all over the place,
Just heard that idiot Jack Cafferty say quite a bit including “Alaska has 13 people and some caribou”
what an idiot!!!
He’s spewing venom
I can’t wait to see them on election eve -
He also said something about Hillary being more qualified and more experienced than Palin – I was so in shock couldn’t believe my ears.
Hillary, huh?????
After all the mean things he said about her????
this is revenge
Hillary for sure, now or later, Hillary for sure!!!
I am so upset, sorry for ranting.
#296 BrooklynNY
Thanks for your response.
I will say this.. PROOF lots of proof.. will stick to him. There is proof out there and a lot of it.
#325 goandersen I will always have great respect for HRC. I cannot make a judgement against her for the actions she had to take this season. I have no idea what was hurled against her behind the scenes. She is still the leader in my book.
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I am not disputing what you say, I am only pointing out that IF…Sarah Palin is as good as I think she is, from what I have read she has accomplished in such a short time being Governor of Alaska, imagine how she will grow an be ready by 2012.
As for what was hurled at Hillary, regardless, she gave up and gave in. She may have passed up her one and only chance, when she had 18 million voters ready and willing to stand with her.
America could fall in love with Sarah Palin before 2012.
As for a NEW party…WHY? Why not just go after the old corrupted officials and have them ousted? Palin cleaned house in Alaska, why can’t PUMA clean up the DNC? Like my Mom always said, “Don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater.”
Murphy – get rid of the bots please – I can’t handle any more of them today……………………………
#327 TX Democrat
Thank you for the post. Yep I have seen that one also, but I appreciate you posting the link on the site for all to use freely.
I have to say someone said something about overthrowing Pelosi.
I like it!
We could have Hillary as Senate leader and Murphy as House (too late for ‘08 but maybe ‘12).
Then I wouldn’t care who was elected Pres. Hillary and PUMA would have more power than the President McBama!!
328 Obama also called Hillary Anny Oakley when Hillary said that her grampa tought her how to shoot , was about the same time of the bitter people gun and religion comment . I guess he is very Original NOT . I hope soon that whitey tape surfaces
354 Pretjene
[BUT the point of the PUMAS is to COST Obama the ELECTION!]
Yes. AND to be the real voice of democrats.
#341 Hillgirl
Excellent post there Hillgirl
Wow Murphy – will it be Matthews this time instead of a stand in – tell him like it really is!
Please consider before you write in Hillary’s name. In some cases those write-ins will go to the Demo candidate, Obama. In some cases they will not be counted at all!!!! Hillary has to accept the write-ins, and she won’t be able to do it with the party aparatchuks looking over her shoulder.
Any nod to us will ruin her chances in 2012 and Hillary does care about the ostensible values of the OLD party.
#356 bruce55555 – “Let’s all send some Depends to the CNN situation room!!!”
maybe that could be our next prowl!
By the way (again). “Good times” is a relative term. To me the econmy is doing fine, not great, just fine. I don’t really think it should be an issue in the campaign. Life is good for me.
The president has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to take credit or blame for where the economy is concerned. FDR didn’t make good what Hoover supposedly is held repsonsible for (he wasn’t the cause; just at the wrong place at the wrong time). The Great Depression didn’t begin to end until 1942– 12 years after FDR took office. The economics of war is what ended it, not a politician.
Just leave the economy alone and it will work itself out. Trust me. Today’s low interest rates and 5% unemployment is really not too bad at all.
I feel something positive is about to happen to the economy and it won’t be because of a Democratic or Republican administration. I’m hoping proof of my view will happen before next Jan 20, 2009.
#330 emme
We should be thanking her not dissing her.
Texas4 Hillary, I am sorry, thought you might be able to do some research on this as you will soon be a paralegal and I believe Jennifer4hillary is an attorney. I hoped that with both of you and your knowledg on the law, you might have heard or know how to find out my questions.
Thanks anyway!
NObama must be especially mad, he’s barking again, he’s actually back to barking
I think I’ll go back to calling him ole’Barky.
He must be very upset,
see, the chickens do come home to roost.
#290 SouthJerseyPUMA
Hey Jersey, looks like you didn’t get much sleep last night either with such a late flight and on the blog already. Good to me home? Sea level again, love the the air.
#369 goandersen
Exactly!
Oneof18million — That is our Mission — to clean up the Dem Party so that it is safe for Democrats again.
The big danger today for the Dem Party is that Democrats will jump ship to the Repub Party.
We need a vacation home for True Democrats.
Sarah Palin seems like a dynamo — I bet I’d like her in person, and I cant help but be happy that a woman is running for VP, BUT
she is STILL A REPUBLICAN.
If we let the Repubs play US the way they just played Obama and Dean, then our entire Party Platform is SUNK — maybe for as many as 16 years.
Slow down and think for a moment. Sarah Palin seems like a great gal — it’s a bold and brave and savvy move on McCain’s part –
BUT — We must remain Democrats — The DONC is dead. Dead, dead, dead.
The New Democratic Party can bring us back to life — with new leadership and a newfound sense of courage and integrity.
HRC has mostly praise for Palin
Hillary Rodham Clinton:
“We should all be proud of Governor Sarah Palin’s historic nomination, and I congratulate her and Senator McCain. While their policies would take America in the wrong direction, Governor Palin will add an important new voice to the debate.”
Good luck on Hardball onight, Murphy!!! You must be tired from Denver and then all the interviews. Worry about you…get some rest when you can.
Off subject. Been meaning to do this for awhile.
This is the Amber alert ticker for anyone who may want to put it in their webpage.
http://www.codeamber.org/index-2.php?tck
Sorry Murphy,
This Hillary supporter will not vote for Obama and will vote for McCain.
As I have always said, Country above Party – we will be
Democrats again when the party is not a joke.
ok so I am going thru the security check at denver airport~ as i collect my stuff, i hear this known voice to my ears~ as i turn around there is Neil Cavuto!!
we rode the rail to the departure area and he drilled me on PUMA’s and questions on 18 Million~ wanting to know just how many of us are there?
I told him more than you or any media give us credit for and when November come’s, the wave of votes for McCain will show not only known PUMA’s, but all the silent ones and the ones who dont even realize that they are PUMA’s as well!
We then took a picture! Imagine that!!! Neil and SouthJerseyPUMA cozied up for a pic!! lol…
I will do more pics finally today~
http://www.photobucket.com/pumapac
Murphy:
I think the platform is an excellent one; but hasn’t Obama already cashed in on the New Democratic Party title. I realize your concern is to retain our base, but let me just say. We can attempt to change both parties really, and in so doing change the country.
McCain said shortly after he assumed the “presumed” nominee title that he wanted to include both democrats and republicans in his adminstration. The next brilliant move he can make, a cabinet position for Senator Clinton.
This whole situation may have a silver lining after all.
Peace,
Flower
Give ‘em hell Murphy
Take over the space and be in command of the conversation.
You might not like Donald Trump, but this came to mind so I think it’s important. He was being interviewed by rapid reporter who kept interrupting him…
At one point, he stopped and said,
“You asked the question and I’m giving you an answer. You can interrupt other people but don’t do it to me.”
He was calm and collected, but it shut that reporter down for the rest of the interview.
#344 Pretjene
With all due respect, Sandra Day O’Connor was supposed to have many years ahead of her and we got Roberts.
What, do you think that Ginsberg will be around forever?
I appreciate you defending your last majority in Washington but we can’t afford to lose Kennedy as a swing vote on these issues.
It is a very real possibility that over the next 8 years we could have a 7-2 split overturning any case that is brought to them.
THINK!!!
Why are some voices of reason being called trolls. Because the GOP has infiltrated.
#34 Caracal Carrie on 08.29.08 at 2:13 pm Jody
Texas lost her internet connection. She says
If MCCain dies Palin would take over as Pres. with No VP.
Then if something happened to Palin the Speaker of the House is next in Line.
____________________________________________
There seems to be some confusing here folks concerning the succession specifics.
U.S. Constitution
Amendment XXV
Section 1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.
Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
So if the VP becomes the Pres. then they nominate a VP choice and that person is confirmed by the Congress. The only way that the Speaker would become “acting President” is in the case of death or removal of both President and VP at the same time.
But seeing how Pelosi operates she could end up pulling it off….LOL.
#375 sandtraps – Now THAT’S what O should have said!
ok I am so on the clueless train right now, what is THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY I have tried to go there twice there is nothing there, I want to know more about this. We are fighting the corruption of the DNC we aren’t fighting them we are trying to vote for Dems so the repub’s don’t take over so now we are told we shouldn’t vote McCain , I am just really confused and the more I read the more confused I get. We won’t be here anymore, we won’t be puma’s anymore.Somebody please explain this , email me, call me stupid, just explain it.
#359 Oneof18million cracks…
“IF…Sarah Palin is as good as I think she is, from what I have read she has accomplished in such a short time being Governor of Alaska, imagine how she will grow an be ready by 2012.”
All I can say to that is, Palin is not Hillary Clinton and is not a Democrat. 2012 will be HRC’s, if she wants it.
Senator Clinton is way ahead of Palin, they are not even in the same league!
#355 murphy
Hey Murphy.. maybe you will give Chris a “tingle” up his leg!!!!
Freddie — no need to be sorry — voting for McCain is an absolutely valid and good way for Pumas to Protest the Election.
I am terribly afraid of what the DONC has done — they could kill our majority in congress and dissipate our electorate.
No vote for Obama for President.
Vote on Nov 4 — DONT stay home
Vote for Good Guy Down Ticket Dems
Freddie and all — we are trying to hold the DEMOCRATIC VOTERS together here.
I’m sorry all, my decision now, unless something major happens from now till then, I will vote for McCain/Palin.
Only if it’s Hillary for President will change my mind.
#374 murphy
I have to ask, would you support a candidate who wasn’t a democrat if they were more in line with the stated platform? I mean over a democrat.
And how will you handle the dems who abandoned Hillary. Say Richardson?
Oh and good luck tonight. I can’t wait to tell my dad. He is a big fan of yours.
As we all are.
#359 Oneof18million cracks I’d like to see the DNC cleaned also (but am a Hill fan). I’m hoping a lawsuit will be brought against the DNC. I still believe they broke the law and should be called for it. The fraud that went on in the primary was illegal, plain and simple. Taking votes from FL and MI was illegal. Contrary to seemingly popular belief, the DNC has to answer to laws and they do have to honor the votes of the people, which they did not do.
#374 Murphy
“We need a vacation home for True Democrats.”
———————
LOL. That comment made me smile. Yes, some of us Dems may be going over to the Repub side for this election, but we definitely need a “vacation” home to come back to….Actually, I see it as having TWO homes now. One is much older and more comfortable, but it needs some repair, so we’re moving into the other one for now. Whether we ever come back to the first one full-time is ultimately dependent on how well the repairs go. But we’re more than willing to get our hammers out and our tool belts on and help with the repair work.
#388 murphy – Count me in!
Freddie – thanks again for the posters!
Why do I have to keep repeating myself? Stop with the Roe v Wade ’scare tactics’. They will NOT work here.
Please give most women more credit that we do not and should not simply vote with our uterus for crying out loud. Also, the Roe v Wade decision is about privacy rights, and privacy is protected constitutionally. The SC has already ruled, Roe v. Wade is precedent and WILL NOT be overturned. Period.
Most of us are smart enough to know that ALL Supreme Court nominees must be approved by 2/3 majority in Congress and right now the DEMS control Congress. We Pumas should fight to keep it that way, in case the Repubs DO take the Whiter House. We need a Democratically controlled veto proof Congress ladies and gentlemen.
384 emme, agree — and Sen Boxer and that speaker of the house but they seemed to attack. Oh well we know Hillary should be Presedent. It is time to reform
I think in this election the party lines are blurred somewhat. The Dems ideals have not been put into
PRACTICE. The Repubs know their brand was tarnished going in and are trying to make amends. Again, as an independent, I will vote THIS presidential cycle for the the most qualified Presidential candidate and one I can trust…at least to a greater degree than NoBo.
Murphy, from what I can tell…ever since June 7th…millions of Democrats have already defected. But I don’t think it’s forever. If Hillary runs again for 2012. They’ll all be back. It’s just a temporay and NECESSARY SHIFT because the DONC have gone off the deep left end!!
#389 bruce55555 – hey there PUMA, no apologies, I’m with you!
billiejo~ *yawn….. yea, got to love the sea level and smell of the salt air on the beaches of calli for you and jersey for me~ thank you too for all your warm generosity!!! I am glad we got to meet and march for PUMA’s everywhere!!
#364 Snowtiger:
First, I LOVE your name! Second, THANKS! I read this blog every day and post occasionally. Mostly I feel like I am talking to myself when I post, so it is really nice to know that I am talking with someone else!
#298 diva2
Hi Diva, great to meet you and welcome home.
I have had the same prowl in mind. To gather the true reactions of Hillary’s delegates. Maybe we can work behind the scenes to get this potential prowl organized, possibly getting info from the database we worked on with Trish for email addresses. Even if it isn’t a formal prowl, if we work out the details behind the scenes, maybe some of us will go forward with it on our own. I think a compassionate letter to delegates could be drafted that wouldn’t put the delegates in further harms way, but would make the process of their experience be brought out in the light. What do you think???
Murphy, you will do us proud on Hardball! Grrrrrrrr. Give it to Matthews!
FYI
As a Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund supporter, you are no doubt aware of Governor Palin’s dismal record, from her staunch support for special interests and Big Oil to her terrible assault on wolves and other wildlife.
As much of the nation wonders just who Sarah Palin is, I wanted to pass along my statement that I’ve just released.
Please read it and pass it along to everyone you know.
Thanks for your continued support,
Rodger
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
August 29, 2008
Shocking Choice by John McCain
WASHINGTON– Senator John McCain just announced his choice for running mate: Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska. To follow is a statement by Rodger Schlickeisen, president of Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund.
“Senator McCain’s choice for a running mate is beyond belief. By choosing Sarah Palin, McCain has clearly made a decision to continue the Bush legacy of destructive environmental policies.
“Sarah Palin, whose husband works for BP (formerly British Petroleum), has repeatedly put special interests first when it comes to the environment. In her scant two years as governor, she has lobbied aggressively to open up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling, pushed for more drilling off of Alaska’s coasts, and put special interests above science. Ms. Palin has made it clear through her actions that she is unwilling to do even as much as the Bush administration to address the impacts of global warming. Her most recent effort has been to sue the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to remove the polar bear from the endangered species list, putting Big Oil before sound science. As unbelievable as this may sound, this actually puts her to the right of the Bush administration.
“This is Senator McCain’s first significant choice in building his executive team and it’s a bad one. It has to raise serious doubts in the minds of voters about John McCain’s commitment to conservation, to addressing the impacts of global warming and to ensuring our country ends its dependency on oil.”
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The Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund (www.defendersactionfund.org) provides a powerful voice in Washington to Americans who value our conservation heritage. Through grassroots lobbying, issue advocacy and political campaigns, the Action Fund champions those laws and lawmakers that protect wildlife and wild places while working against those that do them harm.
#379 SouthJerseyPUMA
Thanks!
#394 NODEM~
AMEN!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU!! SICK OF THIS THROWN UP TOO!!!
A cabinet position for Hillary in either victors administration would give her the best chances for ‘12 or ‘16.
That would give her undisputed experience. She could also help enact the programs and bills that caused us to be so spell-bound by her.
If she is Secretary of State she is next in line after Biden or Palin right?
Go Hillary!!
Murphy;
For you and others I understand your desire to remain a democrat.
But isn’t it more important to make sure Obama is kept out of the White House? Part of the reason for this site is to make sure he is defeated, correct?
If it ain’t Obama then it must be McCain.
A women, he picked a women!!!! I am so happy!!!!
The Republicans picked a women witch says to me, McCain = McBush is McBull pocky!!!!
Murphy, Good luck tonight. I will be watching.
Oh, and I wanted to make one more point. Perhaps, if you think very cynically, McCain’s move to pick Palin was only a strategic political one, but, on the other hand, you could say he heard us whereas our own party did not. I think that is worth something. Of course it is just conjecture on my part, but something to think about. Ultimately, we would hope we would have a president who listens to all constituencies–I don’t get the impression that Obambi is listening to anyone but himself (likewise for Demon leaders).
#399 Hillgirl
Lol. I know what you mean. Happens to everyone.
It was good post. Thanks for posting it, there is an odd vibe here atm.
Oh and the name Hillgirl reminds me Jill for some reason. In a good way. I can see you smacking Carpathia with your pail of water.
It’ll be interesting to hear how other Governors, particularly those from the western states, react to Palin’s VP nomination.
Particularly Washington State, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Oregon. Those governors have a tendency to know one another quite well.
I understand and agree. I am and always will be a Hillary supporter. I am just disappointed in the fact she gave in and gave up on 18 Million cracks in the ceiling. While she gets credit for those cracks, Sarah Palin as she said today will break the entire ceiling. So if you vote for Mc Cain and Palin, you just may see Palin as the First woman President in 2012 or possibly if anything happens to Mc Cain healt wise she could take the position even before 2012. I am only pointing out consequences. I personally will NEVER vote for Obama because he never was elected as the nominee, he was appointed. I am just sensing after listening to Sarah Palin and seeing what she has alread taken on, she would NOT have given in to the pressure. I loved how she said today, “The good ole boys.” OUCH watch out for her Washington.
I understand and agree. I am and always will be a Hillary supporter. I am just disappointed in the fact she gave in and gave up on 18 Million cracks in the ceiling. While she gets credit for those cracks, Sarah Palin as she said today will break the entire ceiling. So if you vote for Mc Cain and Palin, you just may see Palin as the First woman President in 2012 or possibly if anything happens to Mc Cain healt wise she could take the position even before 2012. I am only pointing out consequences. I personally will NEVER vote for Obama because he never was elected as the nominee, he was appointed. I am just sensing after listening to Sarah Palin and seeing what she has alread taken on, she would NOT have given in to the pressure. I loved how she said today, “The good ole boys.” OUCH watch out for her Washington.
I have clear what I am going to do my vote
but also I am very angry at the D &SD
neither I understand why the CLINTONS did not discover the farce, it would have been very patriotic, I know I am saying this being ignorant of what went on inside, being ignorant of real CLINTONS´circumstaces
YW firebelle~
#355 murphy
I’ll be on Hardball tonight at 6pm
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Round two of Hardball…………..wow MURPHY, you go girl!
Hardballs is goin’ down!
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Anyone know how to watch it in Calif? What time, what channel?
Yo South, Great job in Denver. You all made us proud.
Hi everyone, I am still in Denver, don’t get home until tomorrow evening. I don’t know that I can be at the debut radio show tonight, but know I am there in spirit. I love this new idea. Hi to Murphy, Mama, Dances,Maryland,Taggles. I sure do miss you all. It was so great being a part of this. I was watching fox and they were talking about what the Pumas were going to do after this announcement today. We are a household name now, and they are VERY WORRIED.
since the primary ended and barry’s number is falling, I find the Democrats to be so stiff and serious. I guess they realize they will have to work hard now and it’s not a slam dunk…oh, my.
PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT
This is Mama
Here is an excerpt from a new member of the new party!
URGENT we need to add to the platform, working
against media sexism. the free speech argument is not
good enough. they are not using the N word claiming
free speech. I think as long as rape and sexual
slavery exists, we need to have strong language and a
plan on the platform to stop humiliation and attacks
on women. equal rights alone is not sufficient, a too
weak statement.
the country is first
and then the party
what is left of it
#402 Goanderson–good point! I was unaware of that fact. It is an important one. Maybe if we can meet with the McCain camp we can raise some of these issues that are of concern. Might be good negotiating leverage.
394 NObamaDem
Everytime I hear “them” bring up Roe v Wade, I smile. Desperate people say desperate things.
Wow. Nobama camp is SCARED now. Their spin is we can’t talk about experience now? Did McCain lose his experience? hahaha. what a stupid argument. Nobama has less experience than anyone on the planet. At least Palin has governed a state and McCain has more experience than everyone put together. With this pick, McCain looks like a genius. The DNC is sweating bullets. This is hilarious. That’s what happens when you “select” your candidate instead of letting the people decide, silly silly DNC leadership.
Sorry, just had to come back on.
Charles Schumer said the thought of Palin assuming the presidency is “troubling.”
No more so, to many folks, than Nobama becoming president.
These guys just won’t quit and obviously don’t care about our votes. They just keep spitting on us.
The fix must be in for November 4th. or they wouldn’t keep making these kinds of remarks.
#417 prplvette85
Three sheers.
Great job prpl.
You are so right Puma is a household name. I was talking to customer o fmine today and he was saying he didn’t know who to vote for. Well the discussion got lengthy and he remarked I knew a lot more about this than him. I said “Of course I do. I am a PUMA. ”
He replied “Really? You’re on of them. Wow.”
Sent a tingle up my leg.
#421 Hillgirl
I don’t blindly fall in line behind anyone!
Are you blogging at the McCan site?
JOdy you have mail – and now I am leaving for a meeting
#360 Susie1945
Murphy – get rid of the bots please – I can’t handle any more of them today……………………………
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Just IGNORE bots. Murphy can’t spend her entire life on the blog pushing the delete button. We are going to have tons of them between now and November.
Ignore! Ignore! Ignore!
NEW VIDEO. Should be a heartwarmer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jZigjq5LlA
awwww thank you snow~ we all were 1 puma in Denver!!!
hey prplvette85!!!! missing all of you there!!
Sorry to be a wet blanket – the only way to open the eyes of the DNC is to vote in McCain. DNC will see that for all their money, maverick celebrity nominee, great speech and backing they have miscalculated when they went to great lengths to dishonor Hillary.
If Obama wins, the DNC will consider it just reward – it is telling them that their low down tactics against their own works. Then what is the impetus for them to change ? Pumas? I don’t think so.
Puma’s endeavor to change the DNC will make a dent but the real change if it is to come, is to hurt the DNC where it counts most – this election. That I believe is the two pronged approach to change the DNC.
And while this blog is not for McCain or Republicans, we were all Hillary supporters and Anti Obama defectors – perhaps we all agree to co-exist peacefully here, agreeing to change the DNC but also agreeing to let our Puma friends exercise their right to vote for who we wish without calling out trolls or whatnot.
We look forward to the day when the DNC plays by the rules and prove themselves not to be above their members. They got elected, they could easily get thrown out at the next election – I look forward to the day.
Hill for Senate Leader or Secretary of State!!!
Obama heard us he said. You have to vote for us. You lost get over it and you have no choice but to vote for me.
McCain heard us and put in Palin who strongly said to all parties please join with us. It was an open invitation and message that McCain heard us and wanted to help us out. I know McCain is fed up with the far right but is forced to listen to them to get elected. But if we come to McCain we will give him the freedom to tell the far right to drop dead as he will have us helping him.
There is absolutely no question in my mind that McCain will help us on our issues. Just give him a chance. He might not be able to stand up and proclaim help but when he is president the bills will go through congress to give us at least some of what we want. No one will give us everything. what more does he have to say and do. He put in a woman and invited us to join him. It is now up to us to join with him or say we want to at least talk issues.
This is a golden day of change in America. Let us grab the opportunity and at least talk to them. I am positive McCain believes in a lot of what we believe.
The entire Dem Rep division is phony anyway. The lines need to be drawn up new. We are at the forefront to have our voice be heard. Seize the opportunity.
I am proud of what McCain did. I am ashamed of DNC and Obama. Let us be realists. Go listen to Palin acceptance speech it was strong powerful and short. It was mostly about wanting all parties to join with her. She acknowledged Hillary. All the signals are there. They want us to join with them. Most of us will vote for them anyway. may as well get something for the votes.
I say go talk to them. forge a new alliance if it is good for us.
Obama says he does not want us. All they do is abuse us. They will blame us for the defeat. There is nothing much positive there. We can support Hillary when the time comes but lets get what we can NOW before 2012.
Hillary is willing to cross party lines. McCain will cross party lines. Palin will cross party lines. WE MUST BE WILLING TO CROSS PARTY LINES IF IT IS GOOD FOR US. We can remain Democrats and still work with McCain. We do not have to renounce our beliefs. In fact we might reach some of our goals now. and if both the reps and the dems support out position all the better.
I say stand up and be counted for who we are and get what we deserve NOW.
Go Hillary Go
I know every time I post I get blasted for being a “troll” or more recently accused of being “a paid blogger for BO.” I do want to add my two cents though. My reasoning for wanting a third party is that I believe that most people in America do want change in Washington. That is the only reason BO is so successful, he has managed to tap into an undercurrent of emotion that runs in most of us. The only reason why he won’t get my vote is that none of his ideas represent real change. Real change would be a pledge to cut the size of the DoD in half over 4 years (just an example). This idea for a new democratic party is a good one. Maybe there could be an online convention to form a party platform. I know people on here don’t like my posts but I do want to see a better America, one that respects the Constitution and the rule of law and not the cult of personality. I do think that McCain’s nomination of Palin for VP is a bad strategic choice. I doubt that just because he nominates a woman all women will flock to him automatically. That implies that women are more interested in seeing a woman for POTUS or VP than who would be best for the nation as a whole.
Bama/Biden/Hillary ‘08
McCain/Palin/Hillary ‘08
One or the other would be nice. . . Who’s Naders “Veep”?
Freddiebrown~ you said just what my mind is too tired to collect my thought on~ all of it! thanks!
McCain just showed that BO doesn’t “get it” And he did it through action – as opposed to BO’s hot air.
THANK YOU HILLARY! I still wish you were in the running.
THANK YOU: Geraldine, Susan, and all the strong, pioneering women who have made this possible.
AND THANK YOU PUMAS!
Go McCain/Palin!
#425 snowtiger- Now doesn’t that feel good, to know you know what you are talking about, and declare I am a PUMA, NOW WE ARE GETTING RESPECTI am still wearing my PUMA shirts in and around Denver, amazing how the comments have changed!
#430 SJP- missing you all too. We definitely are one big Puma family.
Maybe if I ever get to open my restaurant I will consider a new name other than what I have had planned for years…maybe the Puma Den lol
#429 PrincesseJen on 08
Very nice. I will never forget and carry her inspiration and determination forward.
Position is a perception. You don’t have to be up in front to lead.
If I can do something to help out in Cincinnati Ohio just let me know.
Washington Post Article… go and share you thoughts.
Sarah Palin: Disastrous stumble or monstrous gaffe?
By my way of thinking, McCain loses across the board. He gets nothing electorally from someone in a small, already Republican state. She will pull not a single woman from Obama; even disaffected Hillary supporters will not stomach an ardent right-to-lifer. She is so inexperienced, she will worry anyone who is concerned about McCain’s age. And lastly, she has just made it impossible for McCain to ever criticize Obama’s lack of experience.
Your thoughts?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/community/groups/index.html?plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3aa70e3396-6663-4a8d-ba19-e44939d3c44fForum%3aa8bc6fd8-cf9f-43ca-99a4-05fdb4342697Discussion%3ab9357fbe-aa39-4f2e-a11c-8c44cbe3074a
the 3rd party
or a new DP
my humble opinion is that for after NOV
I think main purpose for now is to prevent mr extravanza to win in nov., one thing at a time
386 goandersen on 08.29.08 at 4:27 pm #359 Oneof18million cracks…
“IF…Sarah Palin is as good as I think she is, from what I have read she has accomplished in such a short time being Governor of Alaska, imagine how she will grow an be ready by 2012.”
All I can say to that is, Palin is not Hillary Clinton and is not a Democrat. 2012 will be HRC’s, if she wants it.
Senator Clinton is way ahead of Palin, they are not even in the same league!
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THIS was Hillary’s year. She should NEVER have caved in to the pressue. The Clintons are hated in Washington, who do you think prevented her from the nominee? I personally don’t ever see Hillary as President. The DNC will have a new BOY WONDER they back.
As much as Mc Cain is doing great don’t be surprised if he starts falling in the polls after picking a woman. It could be his downfall….The MEN on the hill are NOT ready for a woman VP or President.
Hillary had this election. If she would have NOT given in and gave up she could have gone kicking and screaming and her 18 Million voters would have been there with her. It was an embrassment to hear her give her delegates to a man who the people did not elect to be their nominee.
New party or old party….Republican or Democrat….It is all POLITICS. People getting what is in their best interest no matter what the voters want. John Mc Cain has probably done the most bravest thing nominating Palin. HE COULD BE SEEN AS THE NEW PARTY consisting of democrats, republicans and independents.
JOHN may have just done what Murphy is attempting.
BillieJo
Hardball is on at 2 – 3 pm on MSNBC in CA but that is an hour before Murphy is due to be on. She said 6 pm didn’t she (ET?) Also on 4 – 5 pm. Don’t usually watch it – perhaps it is not a repeat second time slot
#411 Onein18million
I disagree at this point. Palin hasn’t gone through hell on earth for the past two years. She hasn’t had her life or her family’s life, career and livelihood threatened. She hasn’t had others shot and killed because they supported her. We DON’T know how they threatened HIllary, although, I wouldn’t have put it past them.
I think Senator McCain made a great move selecting Palin and I will more than likely vote for McCain —- NEVER Obama. But please don’t judge Senator Clinton, for reasons unbeknown to us, she was being forced by a very dark world and evil at it’s best. She didn’t give in, instead she may have saved some lives.
Thanks for listening!
(“sandbag” is now “Bluejay!” Sorry about the change, but I kept getting confused with sandtraps and sandipuma)
The New Hampshire Union Leader published my letter to the editor today (Friday August 29, 2008). I was very surprised because they publish very few letters on a daily basis (4 – 6).
For those of you not familiar, they are a conservative newspaper. My letter is self-explanatory, but on Wednesday August 27, the day after Hillary’s speech, the Union Leader published a large, front-page photo of her entitled “Clinton’s moment” (in the print edition only, not online). The AP photo was one of those embarrassingly goofy, mid-expression moments that happens to everyone, and would cause any of us to immediately hit the “delete” button on our cameras. Apparently the Union Leader thought that it would be a great way to characterize their view of our beloved Senator.
They entitled my letter, “Photo choice a cheap shot to undermine Hillary” (their title, not mine, but appropriate).
“To the Editors: Thank you so much for publishing that ridiculous photograph of Hillary Clinton on the front page in response to the Senator’s phenomenal speech at the Democratic Convention. I thank you because you have proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, what Hillary’s supporters have been saying all along — that the media has done everything possible to undermine Senator Clinton every step of the way. How many Associated Press photos did you have to sort through to find one ludicrous and unflattering enough to serve your purpose? Need I remind you that Senator Clinton won the New Hampshire Democratic primary?
Kick her on her way out the door — very classy indeed!”
Sincerely, etc . . . . I just couldn’t let them get away with that without saying something.
Hardball is on at 5 & 7 pm est.
#443 Oneof18million cracks…
All of us are entitled to our own opinions.
Nader’s vp is Gonzalez
#412 Oneof18million cracks if Murphy is on at 6 what time is she on here 5 or 7?
re#441 native
time will tell
all I know is that NOBAMA in NOvember!!
#426 Goanderson: Good for you! I am not blogging at the McCain site. Should I be?
#443 One in 18millionmcracks
I don’t know if you are part of the onein18million organization but if so….
Why is it that the one in 18 million allowed and supported Obama supporters in the Hillary march in Denver and asked Pumas not be there?
I am glad you are here and participating but clearly confused by the mixed message of 1in18million in Denver.
Repost (because no one is on the relevant board anymore):
I’m personally conflicted on part of last nights speech so I need other people’s opinion. Do you think it’s good or bad for BO to use Hillary’s good ideas?
It’s really interesting to see you guys talk about the speech. I knew the Puma’s would pounce on his ‘humble acceptance’ *cough*.
Perhaps the only thing that I liked was that he said “God bless the United States of America.” It really bugs me when they accidentally bless two continents. I wonder if anybody ever did that after talking about a threat in South America…
On an unrelated note, I had a dream that a giant spider crushed BO’s house, and a giant squid pulled him and Michelle into a lake.
Friends – The positive ideal of PUMA reminds me of “the wisdom of the group” … you know that game where people are asked to guess the number of jellybeans in a jar? Well, almost no one guesses correctly. But! The average of EVERYONE’s guess is almost always correct. The wisdom of the group exceeds the wisdom of the one. The recommendations of the NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY should come from consensus of our members.
#398 SouthJerseyPUMA
Same here Jersey. Sore feet and all we were troupers for our girl and will continue to fight for our her, shoulder to shoulder.
Thanks for all the laughs and for the Jersey spirit.
#438 prplvette85
I have to say that this blog has been the most educational activity I have ever taken part in. A special thanks to all those who have shared their time and knowledge with those of us who just don’t have the time or resources to uncover all that we need to know.
You know who you are. Pumas may be all heart but you are our brains.
An prpl. I will come visit your restaurant when you open. Providing the food is as good as the company.
P.S. I hate merlot.
LOVE the ORANGE ribbon . . . . nice touch!!
Southjersey,
What a coup to see Cavuto!!! What did HE say about everything??
#451 Hillgirl
I haven’t been able to step into that blog. If you want to carry those points over there, I say, good for you!
Let me know the response……
Hardball is repeated as 7:00pm. He is on now talking about PUMA.
obama has less experience that my 24 yrs old brother, he is far more mature politically, HOW THEY DARE SAY PALIN HAS NO EXPERIENCE,
what we need for the wh is alcapone´s experience according to the DNC????
Murphy coming up. She may be on towards the end of the show.
I’m going to miss Murphy on Hardball tonight. I hope someone could tape it and put on YouTube or something. I really really dislike Chris M. So annoyed I’ll miss it!!!
#409 Snowtiger:
Let’s see is Carpathia synonymous with our illustrious nominee? Carpathia’s career sure sounds uncomfortably similar. I will go get my pail.
By the way, another thought crossed my mind as we are having this very enlightening discussion. I keep thinking back to Bill Clinton’s comments about the X and Y formula and it seems to fit the dilemma expressed by many here today. Hmmm, secret code?
hillary just came out with a pro obama public statement criticizing sarah palen as just being another bush 3rd termer
#451 Hillgirl
I think the McCan’s need to understand that we are not just going to “fall in line” just because Palin is a woman.
I have issues with her, and I think McCan needs to know what they are.
Last night I posted that we need to check out Bill Nelson’s bill to change the way elections are run. I cut an article out of our editorial page in July which talks about a disaster waiting to happen. If we ever have a tie in the electoral college (this fall???), it goes to the House to choose the president, or the Senate to choose the vp. Each state only gets one vote, called the unit rule. All under the 12th amendment. Big states could potentially end up with no votes because of some many Reps, small states could band together and choose. Only need 26/50. A simple reform passed and ratified would do away with the possibility. Something to think about as another focus point before the GE.
pink puma
What do you expect. They are twisting her arm. It is distructive for Obama in the end, we are not stupid.
#445 diva2
I agree. Think on this. Hillary spent a week writing her speech. Now go back and listen to it. Look at how many statements could be interpreted as encouragement to PUMA.
I’m not saying that they were mind you but, do you think Hillary didn’t know the that they could be interpreted as such?
Anyway on that note I must go. BBl.
re#465 GO
GO FOR IT..TELL IT TO THE MCCAIN PEOPLE..LET US KNOW WHAT HAPPENED
I think Chuck Todd may be a PUMA now.
#406 maxgrader on 08.29.08 at 4:36 pm
Murphy;
For you and others I understand your desire to remain a democrat.
But isn’t it more important to make sure Obama is kept out of the White House? Part of the reason for this site is to make sure he is defeated, correct?
If it ain’t Obama then it must be McCain.
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Maxgrader, you should know by now that pumapac allows freedom of it’s members to own their own vote in November, not to vote for Obama and to vote in any other way they wish. You own your own vote and wouldn’t appreciate being told who to vote for. I will vote for McCain, but that is my choice and so just accept the other options PUMAs have——period!
NOTE to MODERATORS!
Bluejay is sandbag! I’ve been here all along. I changed my nickname only, not my account name, because I was always being confused with sandtraps and sandipuma.
Pink Puma #464
The statement I saw from Hillary didn’t say that. The one I saw congratulated her on her historic nomination and said that even though their policies were wrong Gov. Palin would add an important new voice to the debate.
My gut feeling is that if McCain wins, he will be picking Hillary for a very major position in his cabinet. She deserves to be someone other than Obama’s go-to dissing girl.
#456 snowtiger your leaving?
RE#472
I JUST HEARD THAT ON fOX RADIO NEWS..
#426 goandersen
#421 Hillgirl
I don’t blindly fall in line behind anyone!
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Keep in mind that it is QUITE possible, in fact quite probable, that Karl Rove had a big hand in choosing Palin.
And do you trust that guy?????????????????????????????????????????????
Well, I’m an Independent, so I guess I really won’t have a home here from what I hear unless I support your new party, is that correct?
Why has nobody brought forth the idea of Murphy meeting with Hillary or calling Hillary and asking her directly what she truly believes.
It seems everyone wants to meet with McCain when it is Hillary or Bill that we should want to meet and search out their feelings and intentions for BO.
Chew on that for a bit.
I agree that the puma movement may have jumped the gun with unveiling a new democratic party on the site today while they are tired and we are reeling from Denver and the repub VP pick. It may have been panic after so many of us were so excited about Sarah Palin, but that doesn’t mean we would jump to the repub party for all candidates or for the future.
**********Murphy and MAMA**********
Please add environmental concerns and green energy to our new platform.
#476 BillieJo
Murphy ,
I feel you left out a lot of important things in the platform, and the platform seems to be geared entirely to wowen’s issues and that;s not right nor
broad enough for all democrats
I think some of the following should be added:
- Out of Iraq, bring the troops home
-protecting broken borders
-restoring the Constution and the Bill of Rights, the rule of law
-jobs and the economy, stopping outsourcing of jobs, stop borrowing
-rebuild the infrastructure of America, roads, bridges, railroads
-global warming and alternate fuels immediately
-securing social security
more……………..
RE#477 fire
the enemy of my enemy is my friend
Freddie #473
My gut feeling is that if McCain wins, he will be picking Hillary for a very major position in his cabinet. She deserves to be someone other than Obama’s go-to dissing girl.
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You can count on this one. IMO
#479 StealingHistoryFromHillary
chomp chomp
I agree.
447 goandersen on 08.29.08 at 4:56 pm #443 Oneof18million cracks…
All of us are entitled to our own opinions.
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Again, I agree with you.
#445 diva2, “please don’t judge Senator Clinton, for reasons unbeknown to us, she was being forced by a very dark world and evil at it’s best. She didn’t give in, instead she may have saved some lives. ”
I have to agree to disagree with you diva. I am NOT judging Hillary, I am stating the fact IT WAS HER YEAR and she missed the chance. If what you suggest is true then why would she run again at all? So when the pressure is there she concedes again?
I am NOT a troll, I am a stong Hillary supporter, I am just pointing out the facts. Hillary had 18 Million voters behind her, she had PUMA and all the other affiliates willing and ready to stand with her. NOW was the time to stand up to the DNC. She knew they broke the rules NOW was the time to make them accountable.
I can see its a hard fact to comprehend and accept but it is what it is. We were willing to do more to get her elected than she was. I am not a bitter Hillary sore loser, I am an angry Hillary supporter who does NOT understand why she did not “Stay in it to win it!” I have wrote to Hillary and asked WHY did she give up on US and give in to the DNC. Her time has come and gone.
Quickly popping back in a scanning the blog. Seems to still be hopping with excitement about Palin. Don’t quite get it. Go, saw your post #402 and greatly appreciated it. Neither McCain nor Palin represent my values and I refuse to be a pawn of the McCain campaign by drooling over the fact that he selected a woman. In addition, in my view, his choice undermines one of his greatest points of leverage which has been his claim to issues of national security. Palin is surely no experienced person to take over that should her services be needed. For these and many more reasons, I for one, see no reason to hand my vote over the McCain simply because 1) he selected a woman, 2) I’m pissed at the Dems, or 3) I’ve devised some notion in my mind that McCain really won’t be that bad. Perhaps not as bad as some Republicans might be, but at the end of the day, he’s quite aligned with Bush’s horrid policies. The GE choices such big time. And, for anyone who thinks McCain is some great, sympatico friend to women, dig up some past press and you will see that he joined the ranks of so many in recent months in referring to Clinton in the most horrid of ways. It’s all politics and posturing and pandering to voters. My vote is not that easily grasped from my hands by anyone.
The tide is turning – it’s ok to be a Puma. We really are the good guys.
#478 1gypsy4mc
That is not how I am hearing it. You still have a home here.
I am an Independent as of June 3rd.
I miss Hillary.
re#487 18
it’s called politics
don’t forget hillary is a politician
#484 pink puma
You are using an Al Qaida saying here. Maybe not originally but most emphatically. Be careful you might offend.
Also, I am a little worried about your penchant for Fox Radio.
How much Red is in that “pink”?
I would like to see Hillay be Senate Majority Leader. But other positions would be OK if Hillary wants them. I would like to see Hillay secure in a position for a long time. Only leaving the senate to take on the job of President.
But whatever she chooses as long as she wants to do it then I will support her decision.
Go Hillary Go
CNN INTERNATIONAL is putting s**t on PALIN
they are so manipulated…very sick…
#452 diva2
#443 One in 18millionmcracks
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Diva, some of us were there, at the tail end of the march because they left a half an hour ahead of time and we had to run, and pant our way all the flippin’ way there. We were asked to not wear any PUMA nor Nobama garb, I wore a big puma scarf anyway because I am a PUMA!
Freddie #473
No way. Hillary is going to be out stumping more than ever because of Palin. There is no way that McCain will give her anything.
And the fact that you are saying right out to begin with tht you wont be offering up your own candidates is to cut off any power “the New Democratic Party coud have… gives the old dems no reason to fear us.
Cavuto was interviewing a woman (I just don’t know her name) who hasbeen an ardent Obama supporterand she is saying that the American Dreamshould be to own one home….not two or three.That we should be allowed one home.
China allows one kid. Is that next?
re#488 anna
either mcccain/palen or obama/biden will be elected in november.. take your pick
dam i have tried 5 times to post this
And the fact that you are saying right out to begin
with tht you wont be offering up your own candidates
is to cut off any power “the New Democratic Party
coud have… gives the old dems no reason to fear us.
PS The enemy of my enemy is my friend is one of those expressions that sounds fabulous, but in reality doesn’t always play out that way. The enemy of my enemy could just as easily be another jerk. Leaves one rather out in the cold struggling to find any place to align with, but such is how it may be at times, at least in my view.
#497…4Hillary…If I am not mistaken, McCain has already said that he wants a bi-partisan cabinet.
#491 ((((((((((((stoney42))))))))))))
Me too….
#468 Snowtiger
I agree there were ALOT of statements she made that were a message to us and other pro-H. people. When Terry McCauliff ran into PUMAS on the street and told us to keep fighting, it wasn’t over (this was before the delegate vote) and Carville is wearing PUMA shoes on Cnn that blatantly did not match his outfit. They KNOW we are here and they KNOW we are picking up their messages. Keep listening and more of this will evolve. I also believe it is a possibility McCain will give Hilllary a key position if he becomes President.
BUT I don’t believe it is going to get to the voting day with nobo. All of his evil is going to start being put out to the public and maybe he will be charged with any of the number of felonies he is charged with.
Write those Attorney General’s and Secretay of STates and send Lynette Long’s link at http://www.caucasanalysis.org and the 10 minute teaser to the Audacity of Democracy AND a copy/link on the lawsuit against the DNC and nobo re: his eligibilty for President.
464 pink puma on 08.29.08 at 5:04 pm hillary just came out with a pro obama public statement criticizing sarah palen as just being another bush 3rd termer
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She is becoming more and more the OBOT puppet and more and more embrassing to her 18 Million supporters. She is willing to attack a perfectly good woman for the sake of OBOT. I can’t take this.
#503 CTKEY
Yes, and George Bush promised to be a uniter. Never believe it.
pink puma – sometimes if neither choice is even remotely acceptable, to live with oneself at the end of the day, the only choice is to abstain. as i’ve said, i think the choices suck and i’m beyond pissed at the whole situation. i think we know where we each stand on this one!
#496 BillieJo
Murphy is a very inspired and inspiring person. This new party is a great idea for those who consider themselves Dems.
I am an independent and I am happy with that. But I would like to say that I think the Dems need to take a long hard look at what their party has done to a woman candidate and to the electorate who voted for her. The Dems made a mockery of democracy. Yes you may have democratic ideals but right now if you back this party you need to consider the cold hard fact that you are in love with your own illusions. You have to teach people how to treat you. If you Democrat women and caring men let your party get by with telling a qualified female candidate to sit down and shut up you will have taught them their behavior is OK. I wish you the best of luck with rebuilding your party. It is important that we as Americans have competent choices and democratic elections.
307 murphy ~~~ But at what cost? Are you willing to see Obama elected to save the Democratic Party?
Sen. Barbara Boxer said Friday that McCain is “badly mistaken” if he expects backers of the New York senator to break ranks with the Democratic party because of Palin.
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Boxer just doesn’t get it, does she!! We have already broke ranks with the Democratic party. Palin isn’t the reason most of us will be voting for McCain, the undemocratic party is the reason!!!
To me Palin is a bonus and I am thrilled with McCains pick.
We love you Hillary and will be there for you in 2012!!!
Maybe Boxer will join the New Democratic party???
I for one am tired of getting kicked around by the old Democratic Party. I needed today. I needed to feel good and excited about something finally
#508 Anna7000
Let’s see, I have a choice between the firing squad or the hanging. hmmmm, gee…
They both suck!
#473 freddiebrown
My gut feeling is that if McCain wins, he will be picking Hillary for a very major position in his cabinet.
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Freddie, I am hoping for the same thing. Wish he would put her in a major position and make the right-winged Republican’s heads spin like in the Exorcist.
re#493 stealing
al qaida????
give me a break that quote is a famous saying from nicolas machaiavelli written in 15th century Italy..
by the way Fox news has been much more fair to hillary than msnbc or cnn
I think that my mexican gardener has more experience than Palin. He became a foreign policy expert when he hopped the border fence. But seriously, McCain did shoot himself in the foot with his whole “experience” argument, which was a valid point to make. And the idea that Hillary would take a cabinet position with McCain is ridiculous. No way she would leave her senate seat to be his flunky.
#511 LivingGrace
A true Democrat would answer YES.
# 597 4 Hill…Good one. Made me smile. Everyone wants to be a uniter.
#450 pink puma
Hey… not in agreement with the article.. just wanted PUMA’s to give their 2 cents!!!
I am forever NOBAMA….. NOWAY….. NOHOW!!!
#385 slyt2
Hope this information is not coming to you too late to for you see it. I also emailed Mamapuma for some answers. I included your concern from an earlier post. Will let you know what I hear.
I am not willing to see Obama elected at any cost!! As far as I am concerned he will go down with the DNC and the Democratic Party!!!! I have been a Democrat all my life (58 years).
The Democratic Party is already dead!!!
diva2 you have a misspelling in your link. It’s http://www.caucusanalysis.org
I can’t afford a gardener.
Anna7000:
You get it! That’s great.
We have to remember that Bush Sr. used the enemy of my enemy thought to arm Saddam and the Mujahadeen during Reagan along with Rumsfeld.
The enemy of my enemy is still a Republican that goes against all of the changes that I would like to see in government.
Vote the issues. We need to redefine the lesser of two evils. If we only see one evil we will completely miss another.
re#508 anna
by abstaining you are giving obama a vote..
besides that voting is a public duty and obligation to democracy
Can anyone give me the link to the 10 minute teaser on
the Audacity of Democracy? The first one we saw on YouTube
Only noticed cause we’re a caucus state and I’ve used it a LOT over the past few months
429 thanks for the wonderful video , I add it to my favorites , Once again I cried it has been a very difficult day . Even do Iam happy for McCain’s pick and what it represent
Waiting for Murphy on Hardball. Can’t stand Mathews.
Kudos to Will Bower/JSND for starting this intiative:
Please contact the DSCC and tell them that we will only support them (and their candidates) once it has been made clear to us that the Senate Democrats will elect Hillary Clinton as their leader in January:
http://www.dscc.org/content?content_item_KEY=1442
#499 John McCain made about half a million dollars last year. He married a very wealthy woman who most likely owns all the other residences because she inherited them from her father who built a fortune even though he had only a high school education. McCain and his wife pay their taxes separately and do not mix their money together. This is obviously too much for the misogynist Dems to understand. She has her own money, she doesn’t ask his permission how to invest it and that is OK with McCain. I would guess Kerry had a similar situation.
#523 Taffy
Thank you! Hey do you have the link for the 10 minute teaser on the Audacity of America that was on You Tube?
After the primaries, I surrendered my membership in the Democratic Party and am now an Independent. Seems to be the preferred designation here in the West.I really don’t see much left of what I have known as the Democratic Party for the last 50 years and not much attractive about it anymore. Either party, for that matter. I like the word “bipartisan” It signifies the ability to work together. And isn’t that what putting “country first” really is all about? About achieving consensus on issues?
This morning, i heard Sarah Palin say all the things I wanted to hear Hillary or Obama say. Somebody, please tell me what there is left of the Party to save.
499 virginiapuma lol…you are right! look out! I am so exicted about Palin. They have a winning ticket!!
#522 hillaryistheone
Obama also got 18 million votes so I don’t think the party is dead.
I am following Hillary’s lead. I hear what she says lound and clear.
PUMAs,
I realize that I am probably not going to be popular on this site, but after McCain picking Govenor Sarah Palin as VP I found my way here. I am excited about his choice, and the prospect of a Republican finally picking a woman who may one day be President.
I read and was encouraged by the platform of this site, only disagreeing with perhaps a couple of items listed. After watching the way the DNC, media, and Obama supporters treat Hillary I felt pretty disgusted. I am disappointed that the DNC would “choose” the nomination and shove it down every other Democrats throat. Those who wouldn’t accept were told to shut up, sit down, and get in line. Finally, some people are standing up to that.
I am a Republican, and I would like to BLOG here, listen, learn, and be a part of something bigger than myself if you will let me.
- FMR
517 JamesLF I’ve read your posts.
10-1 McCain selects Joe Lieberman for a very prestigious position!!
#536 4Hillary, I don’t think Obama got as many votes as we think. There was a lot of cheating going on.
He is bought and paided for by the DNC
#477 firechief
McCain is not a Karl Rove guy… so I doubt it.
“by abstaining you are giving obama a vote..
besides that voting is a public duty and obligation to democracy”
Na, voting isn’t a duty. Its a choice. I can easily stay home and not vote. Its really easy to not drive to the polling place. And how does abstaining help Obama??? It is neutral. Doesn’t help or hurt.
We will have a better chance for Hillary to get something done in the Senate with McCain as President, Hillary wouldn’t have a pray with the evil Obama and MO!!!!!!!!!!
252 there is no amount of discussion or gentle persuasion that would convince me to vote for the “other side” if that “other side” is a vote for Obama.
Nobama/Nobiden/November?No never
pink puma:
Why do you think that they have given Hillary so much air time?!!
You know that they are just trying to use Hillary. That is why I am so disgusted by this. It is pandering and nothing more.
Karl Rove is working for Fox. He knows that this is a wedge issue.
On your reasoning maybe we should all sit down and watch some Hannity or O’Reilly. I’m sure that they don’t want to see an Obama presidency also.
Just because we agree with them about Obama doesn’t mean that we should let Social Security go. Along with privacy rights, Hillary’s health care plan, the environment, Supreme Court appointees, and FISA!
Why am I alone on this.
Republican KoolAid tastes much much worse.
Too much mercury and arsenic.
Palins got more experience than Oh-No. She’s a governor. He couldn’t even be a lawyer, the law firm he worked for never let him do anything more (during a trial) than state his name and the name of his client. He was then made to sit down while the experienced lawyers took over. As Senator he never had any guts to make any controversial real decisions and instead chose to vote “present” Come on, I know Palens got Obama’s (next to none and pitiful) beat.
518 4Hillary ~~~ If a ‘true Democrat’ would say ‘yes’ to electing Obama to save the Democratic Party, then would it be safe to say that ‘true Democrats’ are the ones who stole a candidacy and kicked Hillary clinton to the curb?
Does anyone have the youtube link for the 10 minute teaser on the Audacity of America??
Southjersey? GoAnderson? Taffy? Help!
#473 freddiebrown on 08.29.08 at 5:10 pm My gut feeling is that if McCain wins, he will be picking Hillary for a very major position in his cabinet. She deserves to be someone other than Obama’s go-to dissing girl.
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That is my feeling too, McCain will have Hillary in her cabinet, I have the gut feeling McCain will have her in health department, we’re going to get Universal healthcare. McCain has a LOT of respect for Hillary, they’ve work together in many bills, supporting each other, they’ve also travel to Iraq together to visit our troops. Hillary and McCain are friends, and they have a lot of respect for each other. In fact before the primary ends McCain clearly stated he would rather run in general election against Hillary and wouldn’t mind losing to her because of his high regard for her and knows she’ll do the right thing for America. How many republicans say those things to a democrat that might be their rival for the highest office of the land?
McCain is my second choice, he’s a moderate Republican, he’ll have my vote this November.
510 Seattlegirl Murphy is a very inspired and inspiring person. This new party is a great idea for those who consider themselves Dems.
I am an independent and I am happy with that. But I would like to say that I think the Dems need to take a long hard look at what their party has done to a woman candidate and to the electorate who voted for her. The Dems made a mockery of democracy. Yes you may have democratic ideals but right now if you back this party you need to consider the cold hard fact that you are in love with your own illusions. You have to teach people how to treat you. If you Democrat women and caring men let your party get by with telling a qualified female candidate to sit down and shut up you will have taught them their behavior is OK. I wish you the best of luck with rebuilding your party. It is important that we as Americans have competent choices and democratic elections.
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AMEN!!!!! You are only treated the way YOU allow yourself to be treated. This is what I have been trying to say. YES the DNC broke the rules, YES Barrack Obama is NOT qualified to be President….BUT ….Hillary ALLOWED this to happen. She had the voters behind her and ready to fight with her to say NO!!!!!! We won’t allow you to use, abuse or shut HER down.
So why on earth would anyone think she will be back in 2012, why would she get some great position? She showed she will go quietly back to her Senate seat. Did she make any deals with the DNC and Obama? Probably, and we will all have to wait and see what they are. What on earth did they promise to get her and Bill to stand up there and endorse him and say he is ready to be President? As much as I love Hillary I am still asking WHY? WHY give in and why allow herself to be treated the way she was? No one will ever be able to come up with a good enough reason for me to accept when push came to shove….she backed down. What was the pay off? Party Unity My A$$, it was more than that.
Your new party will have power because you are essentially a list of classic Democrats who respect democratic process.
California voters:
http://noon8pen.wordpress.com/
http://noonprop8.com/home
re#540 james
by abstaining from voting you dishonor the sacrifices that american men and women in the military have died to protect democracy…
#541 hillaryistheone
Hillary supports Obama.
PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT
Murphy coming up on Hardball(s) at 6pm eastern.
Keep the discussion focused on the issues and do not discusss the person who voiced the issue.
Mama
263 I agree.Tons of new names pleading for an Obama vote
A TRUE DEMOCRAT is a RIGHTEOUS PERSON. A true democrat will NOT just vote for a candidate because their party told them so, historically democrats will walk away from their party when the party is wrong. This time the Democratic Party committed the MOST HEINOUS CRIME – CORRUPT ROLL CALL! The WILL OF THE PEOPLE were shoved at the back burner.
#478 1gypsy4mc
I understand how you feel.. but we do have a place here. We have a common goal and it is to not elect #61. I am a moderate republican, I do not feel that I can be a member of the New Party. But I have empathy for the PUMA Democrats and believe they are on the right track. Please stay and work with me!!
Where’s Murphy? Why do they have these 2 guys addressing women’s issues on Hardball?
I want Murphy!
#554 virginia.puma
I don’t have puma in my name. It says Hillary. I am a proud supporter. No need to hide. This is America!!
I was all set to vote McCain, even before Palin. After this New Democratic Party endeavor and reading the posts today, I’m not so sure.
Nobama for sure, though. I thought I had made the correct decision in getting the best impact from my vote, but I’m receiving mixed messages today.
As an Independent, I ask myself how Obama and his Democratic Party would pay for all the things he promises. He sure loves to spend money. As an Independent, I kinda find the notion of less government and fiscal responsibility. I wish Sarah Palin was running for President.
We have two wonderful Senators here in Washington State, but Christine Gregoire, our Democrat Governor has made a complete mess of our States finances. She hasn’t accomplished anything to my knowledge. I’ve heard people saying, just today, “Oh, if only we had Sarah Palin for Governor instead of the one we have!”
#506 Oneof18million cracks… on 08.29.08 at 5:23 pm
464 pink puma on 08.29.08 at 5:04 pm hillary just came out with a pro obama public statement criticizing sarah palen as just being another bush 3rd termer
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She is becoming more and more the OBOT puppet and more and more embrassing to her 18 Million supporters. She is willing to attack a perfectly good woman for the sake of OBOT. I can’t take this.
**************MAMA PUMA ALERT****************
Oneof18million cracks – I am going to ask MamaPuma to toss you in the dungeon, your comments about Hillary are disgusting and do not belong on our site.
Flush!
#548 You are right and when I saw That New York delegation led by Hillary shut down the roll call vote, something changed. I am sick of East Coast people dominating the government. “Oh NY (the improtant people) voted so now we can all go home” Well bull$h!t to that.
However regarding Hillary it is just as likely that she was threatened as paid off. Which ever it is disgusting.
I think Murphy is very brave to try to reform these misogynist a$$holes. Once you purge them there is going to be barely anyone left.
Obama vs. Palin
“Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency,” said Obama spox Bill Burton.
Palin was a Council Woman. Where was Obama a Councilman?
Palin was a mayor of a small town. How many citizens lived in the city where Obama was mayor?
Palin is the Governor of Alaska. Which state has Obama governed?
Palin is responsible for her state’s budget. Which state’s budget has Obama been responsible for?
Palin is the Commander in Chief over Alaska’s National Guard. Which state’s national guard has Obama commanded?
556 nativegirl Thank you – I appreciate that from both you and Go.
#560 LivingGrace
Independant analysts say neither McCain nor Obama can pay for what they are promising. But Obama is closer to reality because he is going to tax the hell out of big business which is fine by me.
Asian4Hillary~~~ I believe YOU are a true Democrat and would never vote for Obama to save the Party.
#560 LivingGrace on 08.29.08 at 5:42 pm
THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS IF Nobama goes into details he would scare the sheit out of 75% democrats. His plans would take this country worse than Sri Lanka!
540 JamesLF on 08.29.08 at 5:35
Respectfully. This is the very attitude that lends to us having one of the lowest voter turnout percentages in democracies around the world. Let’s not forget how many people have fought and died over our history to get us the RIGHT to vote in this country. And if you choose (as you stated) to not partake of that right, then you have no room to complain when you lose that right.
565 4Hillary ~~~He’s also going to tax the hell out of US!!!!!
What makes you so deluded that you think that Hillary will get a cabinet position in McCains administration. Because of all the positions that they see eye to eye on?
Those issues don’t exist!
I’m fine not voting Obama but don’t kiss the devil and tell me that it’s Jesus!!!
553 MamaPuma
Can we know which issue/person we are not supposed to discuss – so we don’t discuss it?
HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT I’m NOT SUPPOSED TO DO – IF YOU DON’T TELL ME WHAT I’M NOT SUPPOSED TO DO?
Hardball after a commercial – puma.
565 4Hillary~~~ At least McCain promises LESS government!
559 heysand
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Murphy or whoever is minding the store has let the blog get totally out of control. There are people on here who are now supporting Obama and they are trying to create confusion and chaos. That was not supposed to be allowed on here.
Murphy also dropped the bombshell of the new site with very little explanation. People are upset and trying to figure out what to do.
I am very disappointed in what has been allowed to go on in here today. The major goal of Puma as stated many times was to get Hillary elected and if not, to make sure Obama was not elected. Today has been a non-stop fight against Obama supporters, that is wrong!
JMO
Darragh on FOX in a few minutes, I think.
The Democrats are really terrified by McCain’s VP choice of Sarah Palin. They’re attacking with such fervor. No one attacked Biden so hard; he wasn’t much of a threat. Palin is scaring the livng daylights of them. They attacking like a bunch of rabid dogs. They’re getting just what they deserve.
Murphy’s up next – right after commercial with old tingle leg -ugh………………………………….
MURPHY on Hardball in 2 mins
#573 JamesLF
Man are you in the wrong place. We are (almost) all diehard dems and have worked our butts off for this election. Grow up.
Yesterday, a friend of mine, who has blogged here, and I spent time trying to “figure out” how the DNC rationalized swaying Hillary’s delegates to jump to BO.
We went back and looked at all of the votes.
Even after giving BO all of the votes of the candidates that eventually endorsed him, the ONLY WAY Obama could win the argument of the “popular vote” was to give him ALL of the MICH “Uncommitted Votes”.
That is the only scenario with which he could beat her in the “popular vote” count, thus their argument.
Wheeeeew. It’s crazy in the den today!
PUMAs up next on Hardball MSNBC
#570 LivingGrace
Couples making more than $250k or individuals making $200k will pay higher taxes. That does not include me.
556 nativegirl Gustav doesn’t look good at all – looks like it’s getting organized. Has the 3rd (beneath Hanna) been named yet? It’s big!!
Bots go home – just listened to one on hardball bringing up agism – poor ole mccain is already dead according to them – vicious little bastards -
Murphy on Hardball – NOW
#578 BrooklynNY
If you are a Republican why are you even here?
Washington Times: Moronic Media
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/27/moronic-media/
While they are putting together this new party they have to realize that Hillary did NOT stand up and speak out for the things this new party is expressing.
Women have come too far for us to sit back and watch the travesty that took place in this democrat election process to a woman, and yet we women did NOT see one of the most intelligent, powerful woman we know and was willing to vote to run this country, She did NOT stand up for herself or woman’s rights when the sexism occured.
As for Will suggesting this…..”Please contact the DSCC and tell them that we will only support them (and their candidates) once it has been made clear to us that the Senate Democrats will elect Hillary Clinton as their leader in January:”
I am not understanding WHY we would do that? I thought it was suppose to be about addressing the corruption. WHY would we be willing to support them and their candidate if they sucumb to that request? Who says Hillary even wants it? Maybe Hillary alreay has made her own deal with them, maybe that is why she is out campainging for “The One”.
I think Murphy and Will need to take a week off to rethink what they are asking the members of PUMA to do. Has this become “their” will and no longer that of the members? It seems the NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY is already leaving out PUMA members.
563 john ~~~ ALL good points!
565 4Hillary ~~~ And you believe big business is just going to LET him do all this? Do you not understand that you can’t make poor people rich by making rich people poor?
Governor Palin is smart, authentic, tough, and a dynamic choice that will remind women that they may not be welcome on the Democrats ticket, but they have a place with Republicans.” (Mike Huckabee)
I think there are a lot of Trolls on this site now. I see names I have never seen before all spewing Pro-Obama rhetoric.
4Hillary
JamesLF
I don’t think I have seen these names before. I could be wrong.
Matthews stress level is in the stratosphere. He’s talking a mile a million.
#592 LivingGrace
Rich corporation are taking their money out of the US.
Thanks Hillary…we love you but Sarah will take it from here.
I think that is a fantastic line.
Strong women arent appreciated in politics.
Luckily we have women like Cynthia McKinney. Women who will NOT be pushed aside for a man!! GO GREEN LADIES, GO GREEN!
560 LivingGrace
Do you honestly believe that it is only big business Obama is going to tax the hell out of?
Do you not think that small business will be affected?
Every person in America will be affected by his tax hikes. You will pay for it in everything you buy!
Am I in an alternate Universe, or is Chris Matthews actually being nice to Murphy???
Asian4Hillary
“MOST HEINOUS CRIME – CORRUPT ROLL CALL!”
Hillary stopped the roll call!
Hillary chastised John McCain!
Bill took Mickey Cane to the cleaners.
I think the next two months will show the Clintons true intentions.
Till then it looks like the GOP plants will keep ignoring my calls to speak with the Clintons directly and just keep demanding that we cowtow to MC Kane!
Murphy did well. Great job.
Murphy with hardballs on msnbc right now!!
Murphy is on now.
#599 redraz9
I am tired of foreign countries buying up the United States and watching US companies move to Dubai.
Hmmmmmmmmmm…..Murphy does not look happy to be on show or something – articulated point very well in the limited time allotted to her – back after commercial again……………
Flas
He’s scared silly. Afraid to let the raging misogynist in him come out. LOL. That fear of the female is probably sending chills up his spin, as opposed to tingles up his leg.
I do not support anyone that is in the dnc today. The dnc is corrupt. I will be voting for John McCain and I feel pretty good about it. It is time to clean house in the dnc. I really hope that is what the new democratic party is all all about
StealingHistoryfromHillary is new. I think this person might be a troll, though I might be wrong.
#590 4Hillary
Not all Republicans, Democrats, or Independents are the same. I for one, am a Rebublican, but one of the most important qualities of a person, or of life, is fairness. I think you may see Republicans here because many of us are trying to find common ground so we can work together to build an America that works for all of us. If we are to be truely inclusive then we have to learn to work together.
-FMR
I am tired of calling American companies and being connected to India.
spine, not spin
Murphy you did a great job representing us on Hardball! I think Chris is trying to watch his P’s and Q’s in order to debunk his sexist image. He is so far behaving himself! Murphy you are an awesome leader and spokesperson!
You go girl!
I hope they have Murphy taped and put on the net, my husband did something crazy with the remote, he’s not home and I can’t get it off the dreaded blue screen.
#586 1gypsy4mc
I am on the conference call now… I will try and find out if it has been named.
Yes.. Gustav is very bad…. do not underestimate this storm. I have been activated and will be working through the weekend. So I will continue to give updates. They are continuing to state that the “cone” is wide and can not predict where it will hit. Hopefully tomorrow I can have a better answer.
Ok.. the other storms, there are two, have not been given a hurrican name as of yet. They are Tropical Storms.
Remember that Texas expects this storm to be dangerous.. please be ready to go.
Go Murphy !!! You make me sooo PROUD !!!!!!
So if I get it right, the DNC is trying to squeeze a reporter that was following the DNC money trail. UMMMM, he’ll be reporting on who is really behind NOBAMA’s money. Of course, they arrested him. Hopefully no harm will come to him.
600 Flasunshiner – aren’t you our astrologer? What in the world is going on??
#575 LivingGrace on 08.29.08 at 5:49 pm
565 4Hillary~~~ At least McCain promises LESS government!
———-How Very Republican of You!!!———–
How’s that Red KoolAid?
4Hillary, shut up. In a system called capitalism, if you have the money, you can buy what you like. We are too stupid to drill for our own oil so all of our money goes to Dubai and they can purchase American landmarks. That is the result of Pelosi’s stupid policies.
ohhh yes mcain just made it easy to vote for him as he has shown class and honor and he has played the phoney a@s dem elite that women do have a important place in politics ohh and its just such a screw you to 61 as well
ill bet hill and bill are laughing in their living room and have already marked the days on their calenders until its go time in 2012 bwaaahhaaaaaaaaa
happy days happy days
571 StealingHistoryFromHillary on 08.29.08 at 5:47
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Condescention toward other members is NOT allowed on these blogs. Implying someone is delusional is condescending.
Hey Sandy, no mixed messages from me…I’m voting McCain/Palin!
596 4Hillary~~~ Ever wonder why?
599 redraz9~~~That’s what I meant when i said Obama will tax the hell out of US!!! Every business he raises taxes on is going to pass that cost off to US. Higher taxes on business is going to encourage Business to go out of the country, or out of business. The end effect is that it hurts US!!!
607 BrooklynNY
StealingHistoryFromHillary is definitely a troll.
andy85719.
Capitalism- very republican also. How telling.
Nice work, Murphy.
Wow, Wow, Wow, Murphy! Hit it out of the park!
I know Stealing, you like communism and totalitarianism instead.
Excellent Murphy……………………………….
Darragh — another awesome interview!!! Oh, you are fantastic on camera!!!
All you Pumas in the way of Gustav, please stay safe – we need you
BRAVOOOO MURPHYYYY YOU DID GREAT
#618 andy85719
God didn’t give us the oil. We have 3% and use 25%.
#552 4Hillary, you believe that…I have some ocean front property in AZ!!
Hillary supports the Democratic Party…she does not support Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOW! Murphy you said it!!!! Great job!!! I think you had the others on the panel actually thinking.
#94 jenniforhillary
AND McCAIN has ON RECORD stated that he has no interest in overturning Roe because it would ONLY HURt POOR WOMEN…
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MCCAIN SAYS ROE V. WADE SHOULD BE OVERTURNED
Associated Press Sun., Feb. 18, 2007
SPARTANBURG, S.C. – Republican presidential candidate John McCain, looking to improve his standing with the party’s conservative voters, said Sunday the court decision that legalized abortion should be overturned.
“I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned,” the Arizona senator told about 800 people in South Carolina, one of the early voting states.
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I think if we are going to make statements as facts, they should be correct.
#601 StealingHistoryFromHillary
Honestly, I could care less what the Clintons want right now. They both gave up on us when they supported Barack Obama.
I will do what is best for my country and that is final.
MURPHY YOU WERE EXCELLENT ON HARDBALL!
Pretty amazing….isn’t it? From being a bunch of crackpots we’re now being represented on Hardball and little Chris Matthews is forced to take us seriously. HA!
Great job, Murphy . . . well stated!
617 StealingHistoryFromHillary~~~ Excuse me??
617 StealingHistoryFromHillary is now being ignored!
Just saw Murphy on spitball. She was great – articulate, right on point. Head and shoulders above the other two women. We are so lucky to have her.
If I am Obama, I would instruct my bots to:
1)Convince or intimidate people to vote for me
If this is too difficult, then
2)prevent anyone to vote for McCain
and if that is still not achievable, then
3) discourage them so they will stay home, abstain or write in Hillary’s name.
Mission accomplished.
I couldn’t see you Murphy, but I know you were awesome!!!
#634 hillaryistheone
Yes, I believe she supports Obama. She has repeated it over and over. Go look at her website. Are you calling her a liar? LOL.. hillaryistheone. but you don’t belive her. Who is drinking the Kool Aid?
Hey! Hey! MURPHY!
The Party of Hate and Sexism
What is, however, most interesting and disturbing about the pick has been the response from some on the left. I spent the day on and off perusing some of the leftie websites seeing how they’d react. The fair criticisms (like experience) are drowned out by the overt rage and misogyny of so-called progressives. Here, you have the party of “tolerance” and “diversity” saying she got the job because of sexual favors for McCain. And that is the most benevolent of some of the comments from known hate sites like the DailyKos (also known for anti-semitism). Go there and read the comments if you don’t believe me.
Here we get a shocking moment of honesty and transparency from the left. See, they don’t believe a woman can make it on their own without sexual favors. They’ve already put up websites commemorating the “VPILF” (figure it out). Here is what this should tell you about the left and why this election matters:
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
Andy, I don’t think she’s a troll, give her a chance!
#609 andy85719 on 08.29.08 at 5:57 pm
StealingHistoryfromHillary is new. I think this person might be a troll, though I might be wrong.
Oh andy85whatever, Just because I don’t believe in your GOP polar bear killing VeeP does not mean that I’m a troll.
You and your capitalistic fat cats just wait until someone says something you don’t like and then call them trolls!!
Boo freakin hoo!
Murphy, what in the world were you talking about the other day when you said you don’t do well speaking on TV??? You are awesome!~!!!
SHADOWME…
that was almost 2 years ago…
YAWN…..GOOD BYE!!
MURPHY…YOU WERE BRILLIANT. AND YOU GOT THE LAST WORD IN. YOU SEEMED SO SURE AND CONFIDENT.
AM SO VERY PROUD OF YOU!!!!!
And Chris Matthews, I think, actually treated you with RESPECT. WOW….we’ve come a LONG way PUMAS!!!
diva2 sorry was away for a while
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8t4PKGc2Fw
620 NObamaDem on 08.29.08 at 6:00 pm 571 StealingHistoryFromHillary on 08.29.08 at 5:47
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Condescention toward other members is NOT allowed on these blogs. Implying someone is delusional is condescending.
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I think the answer would be for them to stop acting in a way that will cause condescending comments.
It is totally out of control on here today and that is ridiculous!
What was murphy talking about on the show?????
Somebody, is there a way to block 4Hillary. She is promoting Obama and accusing people of drinking Kool-Aid. I think this person was sent to disrupt and dishearten.
MURPHY
You spoke like a true politician -
words chosen carefully
Very serious young woman -
bet Tweety was dying to call you a soccer mom
LOLOLOLOL.
Learned something about tv today, the other ladies sat up very straight back – you were leaning forward – made you look small – so next time sit up straight !
If you think someone is a BOT, IGNORE THEM. Don’t waste your breath debating them. It’s an exercise in aggravation.
Consider it a great sign of how scared the BOTs are. Otherwise they wouldn’t have ventured so far out of Obamaland.
Andy–it is a REAL problem…
I do NOT like what is going on here at all…
648 StealingHistoryFromHillary
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If you are supporting Obama and causing chaos on the blog….you are a troll!
Alaska has MORE men in their population than women, and YET they’ve elected a FEMALE FOR A GOVERNOR. One thing with Alaska, men believes women can do the same thing they do, they’re equal. Susan Boucher become IDITAROD champion at least TWICE. It is normal also in Alaska to see women engage in Commercial fishing or work as a deckhand. It’s not an easy job, very tough job that a lot of men wouldn’t even do it.
When it comes to Hillary, she have to do what she must do, the DNC in the middle of primary was asking her to quit but she didn’t. Even Pelosi asked Hillary to quit but she continued all the way to the finish line even though she knew they will swiftboat her at the finishing line, and they ALL did! Hillary have done all of us a GREAT FAVOR risking everything she’ve got, she opened our eyes to CORRUPTION WITHIN THE DNC unintentionally.
I will always support Hillary but she and I part ways when it comes to NObama.
616 1gypsy4mc
In the past I believe told everyone that Pluto the destroyer is changing the political system, and if the dems did not listen to the Women a new party would come about.
Hillary Clinton is not the nominee due to corruption within the dem party. Pluto is also the great “unmasker”. The dems are being exposed and a better party will come out of it. And, as Pluto is in Saggitarius, the whole World will watch the eradication of the corruption.
The Universe hates stagnation. Hillary is a wonderful Scorpio who has the strength and dignity to weather this Great Change.
Any moderators in the house?
PLEASE REMOVE THE BOTS.
#613 StarDust
Try hitting the tv button.
EVERYONE, PLEASE JUST IGNORE THE BOTS UNTIL THEY CAN BE REMOVED.
Furfle and I think Murphy looked sooooo strong against Matthews. She has the true determination of a PUMA. She slam dunked it at the end.
Proud of you, Murphy !
I am confused about the “New Democratic Party”. I have scrolled and tried to find Murphy’s yellow postings. I am not comfortable with the word “New”. I thought we were supposed to restore the Democratic party to its “True” form, and Murphy herself used the term True. It sounds as confusing as “Back to the Future” was until I saw the movie.
Also, ndp.org took me to a Notre Dame site.
#655 andy85719 on 08.29.08 at 6:07 pm
I’ve known for a LONG TIME there are koolaids in this blog. Now they’re showing their cup of koolaid……:lol:
660 Asian4Hillary ~~~ Right on!!! I used to have 14 wolf/malamute hybrids I dogsledded. My sled was made from Hickory by an alaskan old-timer. any woman who can run the Iditarod, or work on a commercial Fishing boat is one strong human being.
#553 MamaPuma I did as you asked and sent you mail please read asap, thank you.
THIS IS A NOBAMA WEBSITE!!!!! IF YOU’RE SUPPORTING EMPTY SUIT GO TO WEBSITE AND DO YOUR RAH RAH THERE!
DON’T PAY ATTENTION TO THE BOTS…
Alright, I will step back and take a breath.
Andy if you aren’t drinking the KoolAid then I appologize for making it seem that way.
Your recent actions have gotten to me and for that I am sorry.
I don’t like the fact that the GOP could have infiltrated and maybe I am getting paranoid.
Just remember that if you disagree with someone it doesn’t mean that they are troll.
I started blogging here to help work through my own apprehensions. Other people are doing the same to them I say good luck but dialogues aren’t just backing YOUR candidate and callling “troll” when there are other view points.
Good luck to you all and I’ll be back after the vein sticking out of my head goes back down.
# 663 BigCatLover
Thanks I already know that doesn’t work, he rewired it where you have to do something strange to get it to work. But you are right that is how it is SUPPOSED to work
what time is the radio show?
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Murphey, excellent!!!!!! thoughtful women and men unite. ? is their another show tonight
I can’t bear this conversation any more about “true democrats” (whatever that means) and (untrue?) democrats and republicans and the pros and cons of how any of us votes and defending our positions and reitterating our positions and accusing people of being trolls or not being trolls if they dare to question someone’s stance. Feels like now that the convention is over, our focus has become diffuse and a bit contentious, as if proving the old adage, ‘don’t talk about politics or religion’. It’s a shame. I see no constructive anything going on. Just everyone being defensive or trying to convince the other of their point of view. Not sure how this will all unfold here. So far, it’s not looking good, at least to me.
Mama—my email function will NOT WORK put PLEASE TAKE CARE OF THE BOTS…they are ALL OVER HERE And VERY RIDICKULOUS
I’m troubled by the tone in alot of posts. Many of us have been saying for months that we would consider McCain. Country before party. This choice should not be discredited. This is not the place.
#521 BigCatLover Thank you very much
We have a problem with Sarah Falin as glad as we are to see McCain stick it to Obama and pick a woman Veep –
and no question about it – I heard McCain’s s woman spokesperson this morning saying they had talked to Democrcatic women in Denver who were very angry at the Democratic party and they knew this was the right thing to do for the disaffected women. (paraphrasing)
THE BIG PROBLEM IS SHE IS NOT JUST PRO CHOICE, SHE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN ABORTION FOR ANY REASON, NOT RAPE, NOT DOWN SYNDROME, NOT MOTHER’S LIFE – ZILCH –
She could enforce a lot of Bush’s policies, no day after pill, druggists would not have to give out if they dont agree, having health dept say abortion causes cancer….
We have a problem to look at carefully
Awwwhhh… The little finger peckers must:
a) Have gotten a text message from their “leader” to go on the attack today to shut us down about Palin
b) Be lacking a text message from their “leader” so they are malfunctioning and need to go on the attack to shut us down about Palin
c) Needing to protect
d) Needing to object
e) Needing to erect
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
It should not matter if there are republicans on the blog. Our goals should be one and the same for the upcoming election………NOBAMA!!!!!
Radio show is scheduled for 8:00 PM EST
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/no-we-wont
Good Afternoon Puma’s, I think we all know that the DNC screwed over all the citizens that thought their vote was going to be heard. That was a joke, Bo had this in the bag long before the nomination. Now he will have so many favors to pay back, he will be no better than Bush. The DNC made BO who he is.
So now we must make the decision of what we want to do. I for one would not waste my vote on BO, I also won’t waste my vote and stay home. I want McCain to win by a landslide, think how bad that would hurt BO and the DNC. I would love nothing more than to humiliate BO and MO. His ego is out of control.
I think it was great the MC picked a women, that speaks volumes. I also think that Hillary and Bill have done more than their part to help with BO’s campaign. What I don’t understand is why they continue to campaign for him. That should be BO’s and Biden’s job. So once again we have to assume that there is a pay back for HRC.
I would like to ask for prayer or positive thoughts for all of us on the Gulf Coast. I went through Katrina and this could be just as bad.
Again, my vote will be important, how sad that the DNC didn’t appreciate 18 million of us.
#659 redraz9 on 08.29.08 at 6:08 pm
648 StealingHistoryFromHillary
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If you are supporting Obama and causing chaos on the blog….you are a troll!
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I have never advocated voting for Obammy just not voting McCain. Not a troll just not agreeing with your choice of candidate.
If I have offended anyone let me know. I apologize for getting other debates off track.
Be nice to each other we (for the most part) are on the same team!
Wasserman is stumbling. She said this is insulting. Wow, she is very off-balance tonight. They say SP has no experience, what aboiut BO.
682 wontbackdown
#655 andy85719
I am the one who has been accused of drinking Kool Aid. Read #617 StealingHistoryFromHillary. I didn’t accuse anyone. I asked who is the one drinking it, implying it is not me.
677 Anna7000 on 08.29.08 at 6:15 pm
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I agree. I’ll be stepping awy for a while until things calm a bit and we actully get back to work on our main mission — NO to BO in November!!!!!
Anyone else notice how McCain/Palin praised their opposition and their opposition did nothing but hurl insults?
Country before party is not a new idea here on the PUMA site.
We have, thus far, been able to work through or set aside differences to work toward common purpose. I know I learned a big lesson about being ‘part of’ and not ‘apart from’ here. I wish more people had learned from it as well.
681 Kelligesq
The President does not set policy when they have an opposing congress.
No matter how either of them feel about this issue, they will not be able to change it as long as Dems are in control of congress.
Mama Puma
Looks like we need a BIG FLY SWATTER we have some pesky pests in here!!!
#576 redraz9
Murphy or whoever is minding the store has let the blog get totally out of control.
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Please don’t just complain about bots on the site….copy and paste the post in question and send it to MamaPUMA to put the bot in the dungeon.
MamaPumaMass@aol.com
No disrespecting Hillary or other PUMAs will be allowed.
We wouldn’t have bots if our vote wasn’t needed by Obama.
PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT
This is Mama
Everybody must stop and take a deep breath.
Everybody must be kind to each other.
Everybody must not accuse.
Everybody must allow for differences of opinion.
Do not accuse or insult each other.
You must be civil when you disagree.
Anybody who has a problem or wants to question or criticize, email me at MamaPumaMass @aol.com.
Do not put those thoughts on the blog. Only issues get discussed here – not other PUMAs.
Love
Mama
Read and listen people god this is like being back in grade school. I have left here 5 times today and every time I come back same crap , what is everyone’s problem. Sorry for getting nasty but dang wtf.
What is with all of the people with Hillary in their name that do not support Hillary?
I want more than anything to get Wasserman voted out, but she is running unopposed inFl right now. Any Fl PUMAs want to take her on? PUMAs will give ya money!!!
#561 BillieJo on 08.29.08 at 5:43 pm #506 Oneof18million cracks… on 08.29.08 at 5:23 pm
464 pink puma on 08.29.08 at 5:04 pm hillary just came out with a pro obama public statement criticizing sarah palen as just being another bush 3rd termer
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She is becoming more and more the OBOT puppet and more and more embrassing to her 18 Million supporters. She is willing to attack a perfectly good woman for the sake of OBOT. I can’t take this.
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Oneof18million cracks – I am going to ask MamaPuma to toss you in the dungeon, your comments about Hillary are disgusting and do not belong on our site.
Flush!
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You do that and then go walk blindly into the night. I guess its not allowed to challenge people to think for themselves. Hillary is doing what Hillary wants. She did not send PUMA any hidden messages in her speech. YOU see what you want. She is campaigning for OBAMA. Is it now a crime to voice your opinion if its not the same as all the bloggers here? Don’t bother asking for me to be flushed. I will make it my choice to leave since there is only one way of thinking allowed in here. I got an email from Murphy today to join the new democratic party. If it consists of being censured when you think differently I decline. And by the way, I will NOT vote for Mc Cain just becaue he chose Palin. I am not that shallow or ignorant. I will vote for Mc Cain because he is the most experienced candidate which is what I believed about Hillary. It’s going to be sad to watch Hillary down talk another woman who is attempting to progress in this Men’s club. But then again Hillary is asking her 18 Million voters to support Obama when she knows he is not ready for day one and lacks the experience. I believed Hillary when she told us this…..silly me JUST another politician. Good bye PUMAs this will never be what it was before Hillary gave up and gave in and now it will be no longer PUMA. Some of you will follow into the new party because you need and want a cause and someone to lead you. Good luck.
thank you susie see ya all there . Just feel proud we made a difference or trolls wouldnt bother. Say thanks for letting us know we count.
I am so happy! This check is hot and a bad *ss!!!
I voted for a girl and I liked it!!!!!!
I am going out to eat to celebrate! SUSHI and SAKI!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwEMxYggoKQ
Well, I just got a disturbing e-mail from Defenders of Wildlife and may have a problem voting for McCain. I am really conflicted. I am a huge environmentalist, protecting our land from greedly developers, to helping feral cats, and sending letters to Congress for shooting wolves. Bush has the worst environmental record ever and I’ve written him several times about his destructive policies. Defenders wrote:
A few hours ago, the news broke that Alaska Governor Sarah Palin has been selected by Sen. John McCain as the vice presidential candidate for the Republican ticket.
As a Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund supporter, you are no doubt aware of Governor Palin’s dismal record, from her staunch support for special interests and Big Oil to her terrible assault on wolves and other wildlife.
As much of the nation wonders just who Sarah Palin is, I wanted to pass along my statement that I’ve just released.
Please read it and pass it along to everyone you know.
Thanks for your continued support,
Rodger Signature
Rodger
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
August 29, 2008
Shocking Choice by John McCain
WASHINGTON– Senator John McCain just announced his choice for running mate: Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska. To follow is a statement by Rodger Schlickeisen, president of Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund.
“Senator McCain’s choice for a running mate is beyond belief. By choosing Sarah Palin, McCain has clearly made a decision to continue the Bush legacy of destructive environmental policies.
“Sarah Palin, whose husband works for BP (formerly British Petroleum), has repeatedly put special interests first when it comes to the environment. In her scant two years as governor, she has lobbied aggressively to open up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling, pushed for more drilling off of Alaska’s coasts, and put special interests above science. Ms. Palin has made it clear through her actions that she is unwilling to do even as much as the Bush administration to address the impacts of global warming. Her most recent effort has been to sue the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to remove the polar bear from the endangered species list, putting Big Oil before sound science. As unbelievable as this may sound, this actually puts her to the right of the Bush administration.
“This is Senator McCain’s first significant choice in building his executive team and it’s a bad one. It has to raise serious doubts in the minds of voters about John McCain’s commitment to conservation, to addressing the impacts of global warming and to ensuring our country ends its dependency on oil.”
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Moderator, please remove the BOTS.
I know that I am much older than many of you here and I would just like to say the abortion issue has come up on every election. If there was ever a president that would have over turned Roe vs. Wade it would have been Regan or Bush. MC has made it very clear that he is not going to be the president to change it.
682 wontbackdown
Dear, you did mean, eject instead of erect didn’t you?
Sorry to post this, but could someone please answer my question in post #453. Thanks.
Murphy you are superb, thank you!
#696 4Hillary
It’s called Mind F**k, and it’s Bad Karma !
Great job Darragh. You keep getting better and better. Calm, direct, articulate. Do you have any sense that the DNC is in panic? I can feel it.
#683 redraz9 on 08.29.08 at 6:17 pm
It should not matter if there are republicans on the blog. Our goals should be one and the same for the upcoming election………NOBAMA!!!!!
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You see red, the way I have been looking at this is that we are on here because of how Hillary was treated and what we can do for Hillary.
We are still on here because of how we can help Hillary in the future, and how we can help our country heal if not our party.
You are here to break down Dems and get us to convert to McCain and the GOP.
I now see that my stance is wrong. If you want to turn this into a true partisan debate than I am afraid that you are a lamb being lead into the PUMA den!!!
You are welcome here. I welcome you and hope that you continue to post. However, I suggest that you not refer to those that don’t like McCain as “trolls” when the GOP plants are the epitome of “trolls”.
Just sayin’.
#677 Anna7000
cocktail time.
John McCain, here is your vice president
By Nat Hentoff
Hi all Pumas – this is from my Jewish World Review which I get emailed to me every day. this article was in May!
http://www.JewishWorldReview.com | In 2006, Sarah Palin became Alaska’s youngest and first woman governor after having earned a reputation as a determined and successful advocate of ethics reform in politics. In the primary, she defeated an incumbent Republican governor and then a former two-term Democratic governor.
During her first year in office, as reported by the Associated Press on May 10, she “distanced herself from the old guard, powerful members of the state GOP (and) stood up to the oil interests that hold great power in Alaska, and with bipartisan support in the statehouse, she won a tax increase on the oil companies’ profits.”
Last December, the mother of four children, Palin, four months pregnant, found she was going to have a child with Down syndrome, a condition characterized by moderate-to-severe mental retardation. A school friend of one of my sons had Down syndrome, and I have known functioning adults with the extra chromosomes of that syndrome.
However, as a longtime reporter on disability rights, I have discovered that many fetuses so diagnosed have been aborted by parents who have been advised by their doctors to end the pregnancies because of the future “imperfect quality of life” of such children.
Palin’s first reaction to the diagnosis was to research the facts about the condition, since “I’ve never had problems with my other pregnancies.” As a result, she and her husband, Todd, never had any doubt they would have the child.
“We’ve both been very vocal about being pro-life,” she told the Associated Press. “We understand that every innocent life has wonderful potential.”
In an age when DNA and other genetic-selection tests increasingly determine who is “fit” to join us human beings, we are witnessing the debate between sanctity of life versus quality of life being more often decided in favor of death. This is a result welcomed by internationally influential bioethicist Peter Singer, now a celebrated Princeton University professor, who, in July 1983, wrote in “Pediatrics,” the official Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics:
“If we compare a severely defective human infant with a nonhuman animal, a dog or pig, for example, we will often find the nonhuman to have superior capacities, both actual and potential, for rationality, self-consciousness, communication, and anything else that can plausibly be considered morally significant.”
And there are bioethicists who point to the continuing costs of rearing a “defective infant.” By inspirational contrast, Palin, says of her new son, Trig: “I’m looking at him right now, and I see perfection. Yeah, he has an extra chromosome. I keep thinking, in our world, what is normal and what is perfect?”
Three days after she gave birth, Palin was back in her Anchorage office with her husband and Trig. “I can think of so many male candidates,” she tells the AP, “who watched families grow while they were in office. There is no reason to believe a woman can’t do it with a growing family. My baby will not be at all or in any sense neglected.”
Says the governor of Alaska, “I will not shirk my duties.” Taking her stand for life as a holder of high political office is all the more valuable in the face of not only the termination of fetal lives as not worth continuing before they can speak for themselves, but it also puts a searching light on the growing “futility” doctrine in hospitals — affecting born people of all ages.
Nancy Valko, a medical ethicist and intensive-care nurse I consult on these lives-worth-living debates, has emphasized that “with the rise of the modern bioethics movement, life is no longer assumed to have the intrinsic value it once did, and ‘quality of life’ has become the overriding consideration.”
Because of Palin’s reputation as a maverick, and her initial reduction of state spending (including pork-barrel spending), life-affirming Palin connects with voters and has been mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for John McCain.
She would be a decided asset — an independent Republican governor, a woman, a defender of life against the creeping culture of death and a fresh face in national politics, described in “the Almanac of National Politics” as “an avid hunter and fisher with a killer smile who wears designer glasses and heels, and hair like modern sculpture.”
Still unknown is whether Palin would be as flip-flopping as McCain on the Bush torture policy that has so blighted our reputation in the world. But we’d find out, as — if chosen as his running mate — she would create more interest in this already largely scripted presidential campaign.
And her presence could highlight Obama’s extremist abortion views on whether certain lives are worth living, even a child born after a botched abortion.
Every weekday JewishWorldReview.com publishes what many in the media and Washington consider “must-reading”. Sign up for the daily JWR update. It’s free. Just click here.
694 BillieJo
I have not said anything that is not true!
As for emails, I have been sending them all day with no response.
I know the rules of the blog, but at this moment, they are being followed by very few and we are loosing people like crazy. That is not good!
I will yell and scream and do what I have to do to get someone to pay attention to what is going on!
MURPHY – YOU DO US PROUD!!
As for the Newbies on here who appear to be Trolls ….. they’re just OB’s YOUNG deserters who have no place to go! SAD! They came here to make mischief. Let them be. They will make themselves known before too long, without your help.
It is this site’s rule that we do not post here, if we suspect anyone is a Troll.
Instead, send an e-mail to one of the three EM’s. They will monitor and remove anyone who does not belong here.
We need to maintain our adult posture. Thank you –
KEEP THE FAITH,
greta
THIS IS MAMA
Do not scream on the blog!
Very quietly write me an email. You are PUMAs! You are strong and in no danger from small, insignificant, wrong-thinking types.
Get focused on your job. Watch Murphy on Hardball(s).
Think about the new party and what you like and dislike about it. Never be drawn into a debate with a person who is not listening.
Get to work. Focus on the issues.
Love
Mama
Oh, by the way. Murphy exceeded my wildest expectations. PUMAs are becoming a household word.
Love
Mama
#687 hillary2008: They can gang slap one of their own because they sold out for positions or money.
It becomes a little obvious how desperate they are to try and do it to someone who has a more consistent record on “accomplishments” in two years as a Governor than BO has in his entire political “career”.
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#704 StarDust… Thank You! Darn it! Those typos can look so bad some times!
#701 ladyhawkke
And this is the problem with so many people here blindly supporting someone without knowing anything about them. Thank you so much for pointing this out.
I will bet you that within the next 30 seconds people here will reply and say that the environment is a non issue. It happens every time someone here raises any concern. Sit back and watch.
#650 jenniforhillary
that was almost 2 years ago…
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Regardless of when it was, McCain was quoted as saying it and he was campaigning.
You stated he never said that and you are incorrect.
#701 ladyhawkke
I’d check their claims for yourself even though it may be an organization you trust. We’ve had the Roe v Wade issue twisted to instill fear in us. I’d be careful to make sure the wildlife issue isn’t being misrepresented or exaggerated too. Did this organization support BO beforehand?
Check Sarah Palin’s record for yourself first, I’d suggest. See what her energy positions are. I’ve heard she’s fought very hard against corruption, etc. in the oil companies. But check it out carefully before you believe or don’t believe what you’re hearing. Just my suggestion.
Oneof18million cracks… Wrote in response to #11 LandiPUMA:
“The only problem with your theory is…..If Palin is as good as I think she is…..Palin could be the first woman President elected in 2012.”
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I think that if Hillary ends up running against Palin in 2012 Hillary, would win… Hillary has more years of experience, a lot more accomplishments and she’s hugely popular, esp. in the blue states & swing states.
But…. that would certainly be a HISTORIC presidential race… and would really make 2012 The Year Of The Women !!!
sorry to say-Sarah is no Hillary
McCain is appealing to his ultra conservative base-and if he gets a few of us-bonus–Rove doesn’t think he will get a lot of us-due to Sarah’s stance on abortion-outlawing it in ALL circumstances-rape and incest–she is a little freaky-but I don’t care–what the bots don’t realize is that we are not single issue voteres-and btw-still better than BO.
#517 JamesLF on 08.29.08 at 5:27 pm
My Gardener also obviously was also a foreign policy expert as you put it, because he jumped the fence. However, after years of living here, he can’t speak but a few words of English.
McCain and Hillary has been friends for a long time and she has championed bi-partisanship. Have you heard of the McCains being vindictive and un-compassionate. Lets be fair – slam someone when you have proof not because you don’t like them or their age or their color. That is exactly what we don’t like of the DNC – lets not propagate that.
No way. No how. Nobama.
bruce555:
Let us know about that Greek party you look into. And, will you please post about it late tonight? I’m on westcoast time, thanks!
I like to think of myself as a Progressive. Of the two major parties, the Democrats generally have been more closely aligned with my values than the Republicans. But McCain has been persuading me that he’s a Progressive Republican (which is not an oxymoron – Teddy Roosevelt was just that: a reformer who took on government and corporate corruption, a pioneering environmentalist, and a Republican who eventually split with his own party because of corruption within it).
It’s not just his VP pick that has made me think of McCain as progressive. While Hillary was being belittled by the Dems, I started looking more closely at McCain (first, as the beneficiary of a protest vote as a means to spark reform from within the Democratic party). But I discovered that there’s a lot about McCain to admire. At the top of my list is his long and successful fight for campaign finance reform (i.e. his fight against corruption in the form of a system that allows big $ to buy a disproportionate share of influence in Washington). This reform was unpopular amongst both the Democrat and Republican parties who argued, among other things, that a reform such as the BCRA (i.e. the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act called the “McCain-Feingold Act” ) would weaken the national parties! They, of course, think that would be a bad thing. The Supreme Court, thankfully, was not persuaded and upheld the BCRA against its initial challengers.
I could say a lot more about these issues. But, instead, for anyone who’s interested, here’s an article from 2003 that does a pretty good job of discussing them:
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/hamilton/20031218.html
If I can’t have Hillary, I can proudly vote McCain/Palin!
hillstheone on 08.29.08 at 1:50 am
TOPIC: Caucus Fraud
Will someone please REPOST this comment every day for the next 7 days. That way newcomers can see it is REAL.
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Testimony: At our hotel yesterday a black woman delegate from Texas told us that she observed Caucus Fraud. She very matter-of-factly stated that at the request of the Obama campaign workers, the Obama votes and Hillary votes were separated into two lists. And very matter-of-factly added that this was done so that the Hillary votes could be thrown into the garbage.
goanderson, antifish, and I were all there and heard these words from the mouth of a Delegate. A delegate, I might add, who seemed not the least worried about it; Obama was just about to be crowned, after all…
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Will someone please REPOST this comment every day for the next 7 days. That way the media & any newcomers can see it is REAL.
Not that the media will do anything about it, they slept while we invaded Iraq, after all… _but_, we can always HOPE, right Obama?? We _do_ have the audacity to hope…
My choice is one of marxist socialism and capitalism. Obama is a socialist. Listen carefully to what he is saying.McCain is a capitalist, who believes in states rights. What is not represented is a centrist view point, where the government is charged to protect its citizenship from bad food, bad trade policies, war, its borders, jobs from leaving,,,,,etc etc A compilation of the two frame of references. I can live with things the way they are now for another 4 years. I cannot live under a socialist.
701 ladyhawkke ~~~ I think I prefer to listen to what each person has to say, rather than what special interest groups say. Those groups also have their own agendas and will attack anyone who gets in their way.
The leader of any group, President, Governor, Moderator, whatever, knows how difficult it is to keep all parties happy.
Being born a chromosomal Mosaic myself, i have a hard tome with some of the conversations here. Not only am I native-american/caucasian, I also have 3 X chromosomes and a mutated Y.
I generally consider myself, like all people, to be a spiritual being having a physical experience I don’t remember asking for.
Lastly, I stopped supporting hillary clinton when she started supporting Obama.
hi mama, did you try your soap yet?
Wow , I just got back to check in …. Baaaaaddddd Pumas …. Pull your claws back in and somebody break out the Mike’s ! IT’s FRIDAY !!!!!!!!
go – you’ve got mail!
hillary2008 on 08.29.08 at 6:19 pm
Wasserman is stumbling. She said this is insulting. Wow, she is very off-balance tonight. They say SP has no experience, what aboiut BO.
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Now that is a bizarre statement. You know if the dems have some master plan in mind that they are all supporting, better tell us now. I don’t understand this group think by the dems.
Brooks on PBS saying Palin’s young age means she is not a Reagan influenced republican like othe hard core conservatives. Interesting thought.
This is MAMA
Do not criticize PUMAs. State your view. Disagree with another’s view. Do not criticize the person who holds the view.
Be extraordinarily kind to each other.
PUMA is now a household word! We have accomplished the undoable. We have made history.
Get over petty disagreements and flow with the wonder of what is happening.
YOU – YOU – YOU
have just put MURPHY on national tv.
stop the carping at each other and slap yourself on the back
Don’t get me angry. Those of you who were in Denver know, the Mama is not a sloppy, do-as-you-please- Mama.
Love
Mama
Oh crap – EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!
709 StealingHistoryFromHillary
Excuse me, but I am not a republican, I am an independent who mostly leans democrat.
We are not supposed to be supporting any candidate on here and I am not. But I am not going to sit back and let the only person who can beat BO be trashed without responding.
Hillary is out of this, the only thing we can do is rebuild the democratic party by getting rid of the trash. I am willing to do that. But my right to vote for John McCain is just as important as your right not to. So don’t lecture me and take your GOP bashing somewhere else!
Flasunshiner This is on the light side – anything in the stars to get rid of the Trolls in here?
Seriously, thank you for your other response.
#718 BrooklynNY
And there it is. Trying to tie abortion to the environment. Case and point.
and again
#727 LivingGrace
And yes, I am sure the wildlife group does have an agenda. Protecting the wildlife.
#716 4Hillary
So 4Hillary what is your purpose to be here today? What are you trying to accomplish here?
Focus people!!!!! I see 2 things we can really start working on. 1. bo’s baggage can come out of the woodwork and he is forced to resign. This is what we were working on to keep the nomination from him, it just needs tweaking. 2. We need to look at the 12th amendment. It covers the electoral college. In a race this close if the electoral vote is tied each state gets ONE vote in the House and the winner is president. Large states like CA and NY could argue and not come to a consences so their vote wouldn’t even count. Small states could band together and over rule the large states. Before the GE we need to lobby Congress to reform this. A simple ratification by states and each Representative gets a vote and is responsible to their constituents.
I am still at work but from what I can gather the Dems are complaining that Sarah Palin does not have enough foreign affairs exp to be VP?! Well hell, maybe right after the election she can go on a 14 day tour of Europe and the Middle East and then she will have twice as much as experience as the Dems Presidential candidate. You know I always think it is good for female candidates to be twice as good as their nearest male challenger.
TOPIC: Hardball?!!!
OMGosh, Murphy facing that hard-ass, wow!!!
If he treats her badly we are going to have to whoop him again.
what would happen in the hypothetical case that mr extravaganza´s bc affair is true, terrorist´s hang around are, frau, etc..in one word that he has to step down???how would step up in the candidacy???
The DNC takes women’s votes for granted due to the abortion issue and uses it as scare tactics against us. The only thing the Obots have been saying to me is Roe v Wade and Bush this or that. McCain is no Bush and he won’t overturn Roe v Wade either. Sick of that bogus fear mongering argument. Nobama = arrogant, no experienced communist that flipped off Hillary.
#729 TexasTigress
They stepped on our “E”
#714 MamaPuma:
["Get focused on your job. Watch Murphy on Hardball(s)."]
Tsk Tsk – it’s just such a shame, Obama just can’t control us Pumas
#729 TexasTigress ha it’s been like this for awhile, I’m outta here taking my son to get a game be back later maybe .
4Hillary, why don’t you go to McCain’s blog. They have much more tolerance there for agitators and trolls. I personally don’t. If you don’t like Sarah Palin, don’t vote for her. Case closed. I’m not interested in listening to BOT talking points. They don’t mind debating them over at McCain’s. They’re more open-minded and tolerant than I am. OK? Talk to them.
BillieJo:
“We wouldn’t have bots if our vote wasn’t needed by Obama,” right on!
OMG! Just when I was starting to like McCain/Palin I heard that NARAL said Palin is against a woman’s right to choose.
I don’t want Nobama, but I fought long and hard in ’60s and ’70s for those rights. What’s going on?
543 StealingHistoryFromHillary
OK NOW I WILL START~
MAYBE YOU ARE A BOT IN SHEEPS CLOTHING AND THATS WHY YOU ARE ALONE ON THIS!!!
AND BILLIE JO I AGREE WITH YOU!!!
WE HAD A GREAT BLOG AND SINCE ALOT OF NEW SO CALLED HILLARY SUPPORTERS CAME ON THEY TALK THE MOST CRAP ON HER!!!
I AM SICK OF IT~ GO TO 18 MILLION OR SOME OTHER BLOG IF YOU WANT TO ATTACK PEOPLE~ WE DIONT WANT IT OR NEED IT HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I MISS THE BLOG I CAME TO KNOW WHEN I FIRST SIGNED IN~
#38, Jenniforhillary, I am with you girl! You go!!!!!
#746 BrooklynNY
Can’t face the truth? Here is info on Palin polar bear lawsuit. Read it for yourself.
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSN2145097820080522
God bless the internet. Nobody can hide anymore.
739 Seattlegirl ~~~LMAO!!!
Right on, Mama Puma!!!
brother: I think that may be correct, but who cares?
Don’t vote, or vote, just send more money to NARAL…
Landi and Anna and some others in here Please check out my post #738. You are great writers for us. We need to continue what we set out to do. I hadn’t really thought about what would happen if the electoral college was tied til I saw an editorial. It’s something that could be done as soon as Congress reconvenes if PUMA feels it’s an issue. With a dem congress we all know where the electoral votes would go!
748~ DONT LET THEM TALK BS IN YOU EAR ABOUT ROE VS WADE~ IT IS NOTHING MORE THAN A SCARE TACTIC !!!!
Now let’s hear how many people favor British Petroleum over the environment.
There is noting going on here today but bots moving in and trying to bash everyone. We know who you are. I for one will not play your game. My advice to others ignore them. Let them throw trash. The bots are crazy right now because they are finally aware that the annointed one has much opposition. Serioud opposition, and that Obama could very well loose this November. So they spew scare tactics, and call us dumb, call us Republican, call us not a true Democrat, call us unwilling to discuss bla bla bla. Ignore them. Ignore them
Jack Cafferty is actually using the phone ringing at 3 am charge against Palin. Will these guys never stop.
TOPIC: Tidal Wave
WE are riding a tidal wave of change here, people.
Just like WE chanted in Denver. Yes, WE, because some of us went, and some of us didn’t, but we carried YOUR signs with YOUR names on them.
And we chanted “We ARE change, We ARE change, We ARE change,” and people are listening.
Way to go, PUMA’s.
I can feel the talking heads and the Dems panic and I have been at work since 9am, Noon I believe in the more significant East coast time. So what is the big deal? McCain chooses a very qualified female VP. Why be so threatened? Or is it guilt. No I don’t think these Dems have the capacity for guilt.
Chaos, confusion, fear, lies, division, attacks – All trolls.
redraz9:
You are absolutely right. I’m starting to mellow now and having voted for McCain in 2000 I am especially susceptible to criticizing the GOP. I felt betrayed the last eight years and you may have felt the brunt.
You deserved a better argument for your point.
I’ll agree to stop accusing the McCain pushers of being GOP plants if you stop calling out anti McCain-ees as trolls.
Deal?
Shake.
TOPIC: Graphic Artists apply here
Was it marrissa who did the artwork last week? Here’s a couple good visuals:
A PUMA kicking a DONKEY in the ass.
and
A PUMA riding a tidal wave of change.
#748 brother2040:
["OMG! Just when I was starting to like McCain/Palin I heard that NARAL said Palin is against a woman’s right to choose.
I don’t want Nobama, but I fought long and hard in ’60s and ’70s for those rights. What’s going on?"]
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We grew up and figured out how to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
This is NOT feeling likle the blog I first joined right after the primaries when we first began. I don’t feel well still and think a hot bath and back to bed sounds better than this.
4hillary, I don’t know what your trip is, but I promised I’d be good in here and I’m not going to let you provoke me. But~~~OMGG!!!!~ If only I could be MountainSong again for 2 minutes!
Virginia.Puma…I totally agree…ignore the bots…..don’t give in to the meshugas.
#763 hillstheone
How about Palin shooting a polar bear?
Hey been busy all day and just got a chance to check out the blog …will the Hardball at 7 have Murph on…I see that she was on earlier, is this a rerun? Hope I won’t miss it.
Thanks…
#756 I don’t see things black and white. I have no need for purity.
#751 4Hillary
Thank you.
735 1gypsy4mc
Trolls are very similar to what are known as “psocids” or “no see ‘ums”…little annoying flying buzzing insects in your ears, always making a lot of noise, but not making any sense.
Their pathetic little karma is to keep PUMA’s keen hunting instincts sharp.
They are harmless…more of an annoyance really, and disappear after a quick slap.
could it be that DNC forced the CLINTONS to support obimbo having as result their political destruction
MamaPuma,
PLEASE GET THIS PROVOCATIVE BOT OFF THE SITE. I AM IN NO MOOD TO TAKE THIS CRAP!
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#751 4Hillary on 08.29.08 at 6:40 pm #746 BrooklynNY
Can’t face the truth? Here is info on Palin polar bear lawsuit. Read it for yourself.
#765 LivingGrace:
Take care of yourself first. We know how you feel at certain times. Remember… we are glad you are here.
Let me begin with I am not voting for McCain or xo in the fall , but as far as the BP situation , she placed the highest tax EVER on oil companies and gave the profits from that tax to the people of Alaska in the form of a $1,200.00 refund . I just think it is important for us to make sure we are aware of the facts before we start spreading other people’s talking points .
A woman on PBS saying that many are finding MO a bit aggressive and were surprised at some of the things she did at the convention.
John Cafferty is foaming at the mouth on CNN saying Palin is crap and that the election is over and crown Obama President now. It’s all over according to him.
#769 Seattlegirl ~~~ I surely do like you, sister.
The abortion issue is a not a wedge issue. Democrat ladies are not standing in line to abort babies. McCain judges would have to be voted in by congress. so if McCain gets judges to overturn Roe v Wade then you can thank the Democrats who would have voted them in. Next non issue.
The Obots are touting Palin as no experience? bahahahaha. Hmm, interesting that the top of the Dem ticket has the least experience and they are attacking the VP ticket of the Republicans. At least she has been a governor of a state. What has Nobama done? Run for the next highest office and that’s it. Nobama = Terrorist appeaser and friend. Stupid Dem leadership passed up the best candidate to win for a communist orator with NO experience.
This is MAMA
Get over the trolls. Get focused on your own message. Get focused on the goal. Get focused on the absolute wonder of what YOUYOUYOUYOU have accomplished.
You are actually changing the face of history in America. Who cares is an insignificant troll says something insignificant.
Do not waste blog space with that. Use this wonderful medium to advance the goal.
Love
Mama
By the way, don’t get me mad!!!
#94, Jenniforhillary. You are my new hero.
#765 LivingGrace
Sorry, no ill will meant towards you. I am just pointing out that 1 minute after the VP choice was announced everyone here was thrilled and nobody knows anything about Palin.
Now it turns out she fights for the oil companies to the point where she files a suit against the US government.
This whole thing smacks of the Bush administration and I am tired of it. Sorry if you feel it is directed at you. It is not meant to be.
774 wontbackdown~~~ Thank you, my friend.
771 Flasunshiner – just gotta love ya!!
Mama….will Murphy be on Hardball at 7 est?
Same Living Grace!…If I don’t get back to work now i won’t have job!
Let’s see how Gov. Palin handles herself in dealing with these criticisms. Criticism comes with the territory and I hope she deals with it head on.
Let me tell you what I will never do. I will never be bought.
I will never except money in return for the destruction of nature. That means drilling and paying people off to allow it to happen. NO WAY!
I dare any of you to call me a bot!
#783 4Hillary~~~ I am one of those who was, and is, thrilled. I thought she took on the oil companies. Gave money back to the people.
MAMAPUMA
I replied to the email you sent me earlier, so you have a reply from me.
Wontbackdown.
I don’t know what you mean you grew up and figured out how to prevent pregnancies.
According to Planned Parenthood’s website, there were 289,570 abortions performed in 2007.
Maybe you’re smarter than me, but lots of people still have unplanned pregnancies.
#788 ladylo43
I completely agree. Mabye she can explain it. I am all ears. (insert Ross Perot joke here)
Palin taxed the Oil companies and gave $1,200 back to each AK tax paying citizen…….according to Fox news.
#789 goandersen
You are hot.
Sorry I can’t pass up a challenge.
785 1gypsy4mc
#795 BigCatLover on 08.29.08 at 6:52 pm
#789 goandersen
You are hot.
Sorry I can’t pass up a challenge.
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are you saying “hot” or “bot”?
Kudos goandersen!
These are the growing pains of learning about a new candidate. Until all of her details are out I will no longer engage the rhetoric of intolerance.
I flipped out just a little while ago. It’s not worth it. It becomes a distraction to our goals!
Palin filed a lawsuit against the US goverment to stop protection of endagered species and drill for oil.
http://www.reuters.com/article/blogBurst/environment?type=environmentNews&w1=B7ovpm21IaDoL40ZFnNfGe&w2=B8fgRsdourbPDamNeJo0MHq&src=blogBurst_environmentNews&bbPostId=B52M2gJxv4XDCz1eEG8RDnH3lB2jlZOLX5ZwAB28BceAvarFt&bbParentWidgetId=B8fgRsdourbPDamNeJo0MHq
This is getting nuts. We just had Murphy on spitball and she was terrific. We have a great mission and great PUMAs to carry it out. So why so much carping?
What a waste of time and energy. It’s not even 4pm in California, reading so many of these comment makes me crave alcohol. Yep, I just wasted more time with this comment.
Out of here.
Perhaps we should all sign up for delegate status for next election. We know we will not allow ourselves be bought. Better still, all you younger women out there might want to consider running for office yourself. That is the only way we get rid of these corrupt dems. (Like wasserman who is runnning unopposed). I’m too old now to start that journey again, but many of you here would be terrific.
HEY GO~ DONT LET THEM GET YOUR GOAT! I MISSED YOU TO SAY BYE~
BUT IT WAS GREAT TO MEET YOU!:)
Guess not that we have another choice, and are taking a Final Stand, they are now coming out of the woodwork.
Senator McCain… you have demonstrated to an arrogant, unfit democratic candidate and the DNC what Obama demonstrated to the bird.
Who wants a vice president (possible president) that sues the US goverment on behalf of a foreign oil company?
Let’s see some names. Anyone?
Their is a lot of spin going around today it is clouding judgment and emotions. I’ll wait until the facts come out and the dust settles to start the debates again.
My best to you all (even the trolls, the GOPlants, and of course the true PUMA’s).
You wouldn’t be here if you didn’t care about our government, our party(s), and our way of life.
With much respect,
StealingHistoryFromHillary? No Way!!
virginiaPuma…That is exactly what I’m going to do…I plan to do everything I can to become a delegate.
NOW…will someone, anyone please let me know if Murphy is going to be on Hardball @ 7 est.?
#696 4Hillary, I was and am 110% supporting Hillary. But, she didn’t get the nomination because of the crooked DNC.
So now I will support McCain and Palin!!!
I would have voted for McCain even if Palin wasn’t on the ticket…to me she is a added bonus. I think we all put too much on the abortion issue. It has never been a total issue for me. I think it is a womans choice and will stay that way. I would very much like to see less and less of them…but, I do believe it should be an option. Maybe the morning after pill would be the best thing..then there is no choice, except taking a pill. JMO
804~ ME! SO NOW WHAT DO YOU SAY?
#797 goandersen
Hot of course, I would never call you a bot. It was a joke since things are getting heated in here.
Okay, we have environmentalist here, do you want to meet REAL environmentalist? Go to Alaska, majority of Alaskans are ENVIRONMENTALIST, their difference with people from lower 48, they use COMMON SENSE. They don’t believe in political correctness in that state, people say things as is, they expect newcomers to respect their right to privacy. They’ll help you when you ask for it, but don’t tell them what to do.
When we talk of ANWR, that is a fragile ecosystem, if you start digging around 6 feet, it turns into MUD, that is PERMAFROST. Before anyone from lower 48 can oppose it, the people of Alaska is way ahead of the game. The ONLY reason ANWR cannot be opened for oil exploration because the people themselves are against it. EXXON VALDEZ was a big lesson, I was there when it happened. It was put into a vote before to open ANWR, the people of Alaska voted against it. Oil companies knew not to mess with Alaskans, their executives were shot up and anyone working for oil companies during EXXON VALDEZ accident.
“where the government is charged to protect its citizenship from bad food, bad trade policies, war, its borders, jobs from leaving,,,,,”
these things need to be in “New Democratic Platform”
however, there’s nothing wrong with a little socialism – what do you think FDR’s social security is? and where would older or sickly americans or fatherless children be without it?
Mama Rules—- please everyone – or we will put you in
“time out”…..with no milk and cookies for Looooong time.
4Hillary -I know everyone got excited , and I can’t speak for everyone else , but I don’t give a rats a** about Palin or Mccain – I did get excited , however because it was such a freakin’ slap in the face to Obama and the dems who were instrumental in keeping the best candidate out of the race . Furthermore , it absolutely STOLE every second of follow up XO was going to get in the media from his speech . I HATE it that it is the Repubs . that have a woman running for office when it should be us , but they ( dem leadership ) are getting what they deserve . IMO this has changed the whole ballgame and gotten Conservatives and others who were voting Mc anyway , as well as some who will vote just because she is a woman . It makes me soooo excited that the dem leadership is going to regret what they did to Hillary – BUT I also know that I am going to have to work extra hard to ensure we keep control of the house and senate – because while I don’t want xo in control , I damn sure don’t want repubs to have absolute power .. Sorry for blabbering , just trying to explain why I got excited about Palin …. Peace
#802 SouthJerseyPUMA
Hi there! I just wanted to get out of there, I was burnt out!
No one gets me goat. I am just speaking my truth.
Reality the democrat themselves trashed Hillary, they rigged the election so she couldn’t win, she chose ( without any blame from me) to stay loyal to a party that wasn’t loyal to her. Should Palin another Qualified women be punish by party labels. Drop the label folks and become the people’s party, beforeyou become the Democrats you pretend to hate.
Hey, everyone, this is all part of the vetting process. We will learn more about Palin as time goes on and we do our research. I think the exciting thing was just that McCain took this chance and surprised everyone. I think it was great that he shook up the Obama campaign. Symbolically I just think it is great that he chose a woman. The rest will pan out and everyone can make their own decision based upon your own conscience. I also think, that McCain is walking a fine line between his own base and trying to attract people like us. She is a conservative moderate. But you can’t be all things to all people–no candidate can. I guarantee you that if Obama gets into office he will abandon half or all of what he promised. At least Palin has somewhat of a record and convictions–Obama has no record upon which we can base a decision except that he flips and flops.
So everyone has to weigh the options and decide what is more important for them to do in defeating Obama.
#805 StealingHistoryFromHillary
Good point. I am off my soap box for now. I would apologize for my comments but I love America and I am saying what I feel needs to be heard.
We all have that right and should neve be afraid to excersise it!!
#777 Kasota
The IMPOSTER will not be able to do it twice. Once with Hillary was enough.
Tell Cafferty to take a long walk on a short pier – the making of a president ala MSM and the good ole boys is OVER!!!!!!
KEEP THE FAITH
greta
hillaryistheone.
You don’t think the abortion issue is much? You know why? Because we fought to make it available, that’s why. And that little pill – the morning after pill – it won’t be available.
Abortion is too important.
Well, I think I’m going to log off and take a shower now so I can wash off the trolls and their friends.
It was really lovely having a great discussion of differing opinions earlier today until the Troll Patrol got unleashed.
#812 Lorelai
I am putting myself in Time Out because I am tired from getting all worked up.
I listened to Sarah Palin being interviewed this evening on CNBC the stock channel about environment and global warming.
She says they are watching carefully , they are protecting their polar bears and their environment and went into detail about it.
Hillary was my first choice. The DNC leadership and Chicago political thugs hijacked my party. I now support John McCain in November.
Interesting article for women by Carly Fiorina. Do not let the scare tactic of Roe v Wade work on us. He will not overturn it.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_10328172
The woman used to be a union member; her husband still is. do some research on this woman….she is interesting.
#822 Kelligesq
I will go look for the interview. Thanks for the info.
#809 BigCatLover
Thanks. I will take that as a compliment!
I have great passion for the environment, much more so than for all the freaking politicians!
I think it is cocktail time. Clink!
Everyone is overtired and emotions are high due to the very stressful we we have all had.
The reaction to Palin is to be expected. Many feel as if they have been kicked in the face by Obama and his cronies. McCain did what The Chosen One didn’t have the cohoonas to do and chose a woman as his VP . This feels like a victory of some sorts after being stomped on this week.
I am expecting emotions to go back to normal in the morning and then you can make a think about what you want to do in November with a little more clarity.
I guess the question you need to ask yourself is what is your end goal? What do you want more? To take back the Democrat party and let the DNC know you are not a door mat, or are you willing to vote for a candidate that may not share your issues. You can also remain neuteral and not vote or vote for someone else.
I will be voting for McCain because while he may not share many of my issue, he is a heck of a lot better than Obama who I am very afraid of as our President.
I am also voting for McCain to stick it to the Dems. They have manipulated us far too long because they think they have up my the palms of their hands due to the fact that we are born w/ a uterus. NOT anymore.
Kelligesq
I agree..social security, a health plan for all that does not have a beaurocrat making medical decisions… yes, a centrist point of view that protects the American people, the earth, and lets people keep the wealth they do earn, tempered with unions etc etc
797 goandersen – don’t think I was condoning the drilling and pay off – just think it is important to know all of the facts . :0 peace
#781 MamaPuma
Thank you for your post and for all of your efforts today.
Everyone here has valid considerations and concerns, regardless of which candidates they support. Sometimes we’re on different sides of the issues because of our own life experiences. And it’s important to respect each person’s experiences and choices.
I have friends who are in the Obama camp because they very much want change. Although I disagree with their choice of candidate, I respect their feelings and respect our friendship above and beyond any candidate or any election. That’s how we should treat each other on this blog.
No candidate is perfect. No candidate reflects all of my views. No candidate will be able to deliver on all of his or her campaign promises.
But all things considered, I believe McCain and Palin to have more integrity and be of better character than Obama. I don’t know enough about Biden to comment on him. However, he can’t make up for the bad qualities in Obama.
I’m thrilled about McCain’s choice, not because Palin is a perfect candidate or even the best one he could have picked, but rather because he honored women with his choice and because he picked someone who seems to be of good character from what I’ve seen so far.
I’ve got to calm down too.
I’ll wait until the convention next week. But if there’s a hint of outlawing abortion again (like in the ’50s), then I just don’t know what I’ll do.
Hardball is being repeated right now. Murphy does not come on until about quarter til the hour. You might want to wait until then to watch. Other wise you will have to watch Mathews and is BO love fest.
BO can be forced to resign!!!!! We need to keep that burner going!!!!!
John McCain is reaching out to us, when our own party say “Screw Us, ” We Don’t Need You Or Hillary. McCain listen to the cries of women , he came sit down and talked with PUMA’s ,he answer the call .
Hes selected a women. You want to stay in love with a party that don’t wont ya? Have told ya they don’t want you. What is this love of abuse?
Ok so McCain wins then we have 2 woman candidates in 2012!
This must happen. We women can grab both parties by the go nads.
Ladies we rock!
Oops Slap, slap – just got another Psocid!! I’m getting quicker Flasunshiner!! Thanks – that’s more fun!!
WOW-I went to take a nap, all be it as it turned out a long nap and I returned to find the New Democratic Party. What a glorious day. No more daily messages to Dean et al.
Of course, many of you will have misgivings, but we all know that the Democratic Party as we knew it has, as one journalist described it, committed suicide. we can no longer be associated with it as it has evolved into something totally unrecognizable. Sanctioning corrupt practices, crucifying its most well prepared and loyal member, just because she is a woman and a CLINTON. No other democrat could come up to the Clintons their intelligence and charisma. The DNC is not worthy of the Clintons nor of us.
#804 4Hillary on 08.29.08 at 6:58 pm
Who wants a vice president (possible president) that sues the US goverment on behalf of a foreign oil company?
Let’s see some names. Anyone?
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I GAVE YOU MY NAME~ I SAID ME! SO YOUR POINT IS? I SEE YOU HAVENT ANSWERED!?
I DONT REALLY CARE WHAT YOUR POINT IS~ I WAS FOR MC CAIN B4 HE PICK PALIN~ HIS PICK MADE ME GO FROM 100% TO 110%!!
I watched Murphy on Chris Matthews. She had the perfect summary of the situation. The Democrats had and opportunity to have 16 years starting with Hillary / Obama and they threw it away and now have problems even getting in for 4 years. The party threw it away.
Murphy said it much better than me but you get the idea. Nice going Murphy. PUMA ROCKS
Go Hillary Go
#282, Aniem, well put. Ditto to that.
Let’s hope the media doesn’t start it’s sexism bs again against Palin.
#836 TexasTigress
my sentiments exactly. Dialogue is good. I will research any and all candidates and not just blindly follow.
Peace to you!
117 BrooklynNY
“I don’t see that happening: i.e. huge shift of people to Republicans.
People still have their core views and issues. If people are leaning to McCain right now it is because he is a moderate and a man they feel they can trust while Obama is not. Their core issues will not change.”
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I totally agree 2000% — at least this is true for me.
# 701 ladyhawkke on 08.29.08 at 6:23 pm WROTE:
“Well, I just got a disturbing e-mail from Defenders of Wildlife and may have a problem voting for McCain. I am really conflicted. I am a huge environmentalist, protecting our land from greedly developers, to helping feral cats, and sending letters to Congress for shooting wolves…….”
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Ladyhawkke, I wouldn’t worry too much about that. McCain has a good environmental record. He has long been pro-environment and very concerned about global-warming, etc… and, even if that’s true about Palin, McCain and a Dem-dominated House would keep things in check.
I also think that a lot of these groups (though they do great work) lean very heavily Dem/Liberal so they, often unjustly, heavily smear the Repub candidates.
GUESS 4HILL DIDNT HAVE THE COME BACK~ TOO BAD!
mzebest Me tooooooooooo
I personally can’t wait to see the VP debate. What is Joe Biden going to do without Hillary there for him to say ” I agree with Hillary, Hillary’s right, just what Hillary said??? Oh, but wait now he can say ” I agree with Sarah, Sarah’s right, just what Sarah said.
GIRL POWER!!!
Get the popcorn ready.
Question for anyone in Missouri:
Will Claire McCaskill be up for reelection this year? She really needs to be one of the Dems voted out of office.
Follow up question — can you also indicate if the mood in your state feels the same way?
Go _ ok enough of this sappy peace and love crap , where’s my Damn drink !!!! ????
The media is now doing to Palin what they’ve done to Hillary. What I find totally laughable NObama said Palin don’t have any experience, he forgot, Palin is GOVERNOR of Alaska, an EXECUTIVE LEVEL POSITION. She signs BILLS into LAW. What does NObama has to show? NADA? She clean up the state of corruption, she’s a REFORMER; that doesn’t bode well with corrupt Congress.
#829 goandersen
I am also a huge environmentalist and animal lover (hence my blog name). I’ve been fighting these battles for 30 years (20 with the Columbus Zoo). With Palin we have a record and know where to try to block her if it becomes necessary, but with BO – nada.
Obama and the DNC need your vote, but they don’t want YOU. Just your money and your votes. Obama has never mention Hillary supporters or said the word 18 million what he wants to say is ” I got 99 problems and those b%$#^ aint 1″ No matter how many times they kick you, step on you, disrespect you , you come crawling back
#854 rockinrollsilverpuma
LMAO!
#856 TexasTigress
Clink!
holy cow… go to CNN now…
#857~ LOVE YOUR LAST COMMENT
she’s a REFORMER; that doesn’t bode well with corrupt Congress.
AND ALL OF YOUR COMMENT SO TRUE!!
Campbell Brown screaming at Bay Buchannon on CNN about Palin’s inexperience. Bay saying it is sexist (imagine that) and insulting.
The repubs are letting CNN have it over the criticism of VP pick
#858 BigCatLover
I agree. The blahblah is toast in November. He won’t have my vote.
Sometimes I throw out information to get information.
let me get my bowl of popcorn. Holy freaking cow. BAHAHAHAHAH. FU OBAMA AND THE DEMS.
Take care Gulf Coast Pumas.
Y’all should read this article
Obama Offers a Beautifully Packaged Lie
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/barack_obama_offers_a_beautifu.html
HOLY COW HOLY GOW GEIRGEN JUST SAID THAT PAHLIN HAD NOT BEEN VETTED BY THE PRESS. WHERE IS OBAMA’S VETTING?
#838 brother2040 on 08.29.08 at 7:05 pm I’ve got to calm down too.
I’ll wait until the convention next week. But if there’s a hint of outlawing abortion again (like in the ’50s), then I just don’t know what I’ll do.
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I really believe that McCain really believes in womens choice. He just can not say that. He tried to talk last week about putting in a person who believes in choice but he could not get the support. If we were in the same party we would provide the support that would stop the anti abortion people immediately in their tracks. They would no longer have a party pandering to them and they would be shut out of the issue.
We can probably have a stronger affect on winning on this issue once and for all by taking their party away from them.
Never fear. Always stand up strong and proud and fight for what is in your heart. Remember what is in your heart is love is god is good is truth is freedom. They ae all ONE and the same.
I can guarantee you beyond a doubt that if Jesus or God was standing here they would both be on the side of freedom of choice. It has to be that because Freedom of Choice is ALWAYS God’s Love. Does not god love you perfectly and give you freedom of choice. God does not come down and stop you and take away your choice.
A FEW HUMBLE SUGGESTIONS:
1. Can we agree that we’re all adults who are capable of making our own decision regarding how we will vote in November AND that we don’t need to continually announce it hear or try to convince anyone else about our perpsective? How about, if someone wants to be convinced, they can post an invitation for someone to do so? Otherwise, seems we’ve all made our case more than once.
2. Can we agree that if we continue to use this blog to discuss who we’re voting for and why we think our train of thought is the right one that we are entering into a mine field with no resolve and it sucks precious time and energy away from our ability to remain a unified group taking action?
3. Does anyone else hear the blog as people arguing with each other much like we’ve been arguing with Obama supporters in recent weeks?
Things are deteriorating, in my view. I see no constructive anything coming out of this entire day except for enormous discord and stasis.
Meanwhile, I’m reposting from the prior thread if anyone can answer my questions:
bmw60 – interesting caucus story. i’d like to know what the woman DID about what she witnessed? did she report it? is there any documentation or record of it? without that, such tales can’t be elevated to anything substantial, which is a bummer. let me know if you know if she reported what she presumably witnessed. thanks.
Per a few notes at the top of murphy’s previous thread:
Can someone tell me who Tucker Carlson is? I’d like to incorporate this into what i’m working on? Also, which network is he with (I assume he’s a tv guy, but maybe not, maybe print media)? And, is Chris Matthews with MSNBC? Any other specific examples of sexist comments by the media would be appreciated. (Elaine, were you working on this a couple of months ago?)
Also from the top of the previous thread: “Entire state delegations were brow-beaten into voting Present or Passing their votes to other states.” Murphy, or anyone, can you elaborate more specifically to translate this emotional language into more fact-based evidence so I can incorporate it into what I’m working on?
Thanks.
#822 john, AMEN Peoples Party is much nicer!!
This McCain pick for Palin for VP really got me steamed again about how Obama and the democratic party dissed Hillary Clinton! They will pay for their bad judgement!
Why is everyone so snarky? We should all listen to everyone, we have a right to our opinions. I don’t think 4Hillary is a bot just because she has a different opinion than mine. We all support Hillary and want her back, we all hope the lawsuit against BO will materialize and he will be off the ballot, we hope for a lot of things. Some people here feel betrayed that Hillary didn’t do what she said, never give up, never give in. Yes, I was disappointed also. Apparently, that’s what politics is all about. Unless Hillary is somehow miraculously back in the race, I have a big decision to make and I’m not voting for anyone I don’t feel comfortable with. I will have to do my research on Palin. Just yesterday, I called the Repub Party here in town and was going to get signs, now I don’t know what I’m going to do. But please everyone, quit telling Murphy to get trolls off. I’m sure Murphy knows who they are, we don’t have to sit here and trash each other, that’s what the Obots do on their sites. We are better than that, we are PUMAS!
#792 brother2040:
Yes, and you would think that by now, after 40 years, we could have a) educated ourselves on what causes unwanted pregnancies, b) virtually eliminated the problematic, barbaric practice of ‘ooops – changed my mind’, ‘ooops – how’d that happen?’ of abortion – especially late-term abortions.
Don’t get me wrong, I use to be “pro-choice”. I changed my mind during the primaries – thanks to researching Obama’s 3 votes on the issue. It has gone too far against basic human decency – imo. There has to be another way and we’re just too damned into calling our “conveniences” our “rights” to collectively find one. imo.
I want a decent culture moving toward progress again – and Obama and the Dem Party’s direction is moving us BACKWARDS!
I have finally spat that abortion BONE that the Dem Party has been getting me to chew on all these years right out on their message of “change”.
I do worry about Palin. New fresh meat, not vetted by the press, only met with McCAin twice, has to debate NObiden, is very weak on foreign policy…….has a high ptiched talking voice that drives me personally nuts over a microphone….but, she has many other terrific qualities. I do hope she can withstand the brutal ring she just stepped into.
Doria #715 — Yes — the DNC is most definitely in Panic Mode.
The Palin Choice is turning into a stunner for Howard and Obama.
Let’s not panic here. There isnt any need for it. We are thinking, articulate adults.
I dont care if you call yourself a Democrat, a Republican, an Independent, a New Democrat, or a Polka-Dotted Peruvian Panda.
We are all PUMAS! That means 3 things:
1. We will NOT vote for Barack Obama for President
2. We will vote on Nov 4
3. We will work to reclaim OUR party — the DEMOCRATIC Party.
The danger for Democrats today — a disaster that the DONC is finally waking up to — is that our UNITY AS VOTERS will not only be fractured but actually be permanently lost.
yesterday the Democratic Party was divided. Today it is in disarray.
The Puma Movement is NOT in disarray. We are united in our goals:
1. No Obama for President
2. No more Howard at the DNC
3. Support Good Guy Dems
Today is a tumultuous day. Don’t be afraid of a little disorder. It is inevitable — the McCain Camp just pulled a brilliant tactical move and we need to regroup. But as we do so, we must remain united.
New post up — basically this one repeated will be up in a few minutes.
Welcome new members!
Dont shoot the new members before even saying Hello to them. Be wonderful to each other.
#875 ladyhawkke, if somehow Obama does get thrown out….it will be biden and he will be the one picking the VP to run with him…. Hillary is out thanks to the DNC!!
watching CNN now, yeah, Campbell Brown seems like she drank some Koolaid
she is reading emails from “women”
I see a lot of concern (lot of it trolly) for Roe. So this is a reminder of how they planed it all in advance:
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/roe-vs-wade-obamas-ace-in-the-hole/
Now I know I’ve died and gone to heaven – Bay Buchannon is defending Hillary Clinton. she does make one good point that Mccain has now put excitement in his campaign.
#487, Kelligesq, you make really great points. I agree that those issues should be included.
Gergen is not making sense on CNN
Gergen’s ego is showing, he does not get it either.
#845 SouthJerseyPuma
Your friendly neighbor here in PA agrees with you 100%. Saw Palin today and she impressed me. I think the debates will be a great opportunity to learn more about the candidates and judge for ourselves, instead of listening to the negatives some our “new friends” on the blog are saying about her. I commend any woman that can raise 5 children, be a Governor and stand up to this sexist society. Learned today also that her son is in the Army and she took money away from the big oil companies and gave each citizen in Alaska who pay taxes a $1200 rebate. She also got rid of the last Governor’s private jet and used that money for the people. There is no one who is PERFECT and whose views we’ll agree with 100%. For me it comes down to who loves America more and I believe that person is McCain. I’d pick him over Obama anyday! By the way SouthJerseyPUMA…thank you for sharing all those beautiful pictures from Denver with us.
I really want to learn more about Palin. BTW my hero is Annie Oakley.
Today I feel so much better than yesterday.
The only thing that makes me sad is the it will be the Republicans that break through the glass ceiling this year.
I think Palin is a smart choice.
I love how McCain wiped BO out of the media today, all the talk is on Palin.
I can’t remember who posted re: the criticism for Palin not having enough experience- WTF?? Isn’t the leader supposed to be more experienced and the VP in “training”? DUH! The democrats got it WRONG this year because they are clueless.
As I have said before, I will not waste my vote on a 3rd party who may spoil the election. I am going for the jugular of the DNC and will happily cast my ballot for McCain/Palin.
Can’t wait to see the top of both tickets in 2012, lots of estrogen up there!
Now, look at the clock here on PDT, didn’t I hear someone say something about a cocktail?
L’chaim!
843 1gypsy4mc
And, much more satisfying, too…..
CNN
Oh, the pundits’ ability to decifer politics and make sensible arguments is blowing up in their faces.
Oh, “Woodstock style convention” now by Campbell Brown, I was a teenager during Woodstock and I saw last night like Germany in the 30’s, maybe Chicago in the 20’s
none of them get it
#878 murphy on 08.29.08 at 7:26 pm
AMEN to that! I’m voting back into office good democrats, the undesirables, I’m voting them OUT OF OFFICE. We have to get rid the EXTREME leftwingnut of our party, we NEED MORE MODERATE DEMOCRATS in Congress and Senate.
BTW, you were fantastic in hardball. You’re getting better and better girl and that’s good. Always think of this, those people in the media wear their pants like you do, one leg at a time……well done today!
The hypocrisy of the MSM is unbelievable. They are criticizing Palin about things that could and can be said about BO but they didn’t say them back when it mattered.
The democratic Party wanted “fresh, new and not the old Washington status quo” well they got it!
They had it ALL in Hillary… now they have it in McCain/Palin. (At least McCain LISTENS to “what women want!)
CNN drank the kool-aid. All their commentators are in the tank. They have been since day 1. They have Donna Brazile as a political analyst…..need I say more. The Obots are in a frantic now and they will harp on the abortion issue nonstop now. Women are more than just reproduction or abortion and we will not succumb to scare tactics by Chicago and DNC thugs who stole the nom from Hillary and chose the Dem candidate before we even voted. McCain did not insult us. He honored us. The DNC leadership along with Nobama and the sexist media insulted women in this election. I’m afraid sexism in the media will rear its ugly head yet again.
For all of you who are NOT in first place on the new thread , please come upstairs
McCain didn’t do what NObama had done, asking people for their cellphone # so they’ll be the first to know who was his pick for VP. McCain is a decent and honorable man, NOBAMA is HOMESHOPPING NETWORK!
If you have not voted here yet (as posted earlier) please do so. http://news.aol.com/elections don’t forget there is one on the side too asking if BO did his job last nite at convention (on right hand side)
Holy cow-Cafferty almost had a coronary today.
I am absolutely enjoying MSM going crazy about McCains awesome VP choice and his brilliant timing. I truly am laughing my @ss off. It is hilarious how BO/B quickly came out to diss Palin, then remembered HRC supporters, and start backtracking. McCain just Rick Rolled BO/B. This is hysterically funny.
I live in super liberal land, and when I mentioned that I am completely open to a McCain/Palin ticket-my fellow Democrats started attacking me. One Bo supporter told me…”I don’t want to be played like a puppet” and I responded ” you already have been.”
#894 Sisterluck:
LET EM’ DO IT (again) and the rest of those women that allegedly went over to Obama will run like hell!
Murphy u did great tonite, I think you left all three of them with there mouths hanging open, I swear to god I think they expect anyone who opposes them to be brainless and what you said was very smart, intelligent and proved your a democrat (which we all knew) who loves her country and is scared for the dem party and it left there mouths open and dry.
#848 Sisterluck on 08.29.08 at 7:09 pm
They will but now there is PUMA and the woman herself, an athlete (“barracuda” or something like that), a hunter, been there done that, a mother of 5 children, bucked her own party in her state. It will give them something to do except delving into the issues on both sides of the aisle.
For all of you who are NOT in first place on the new thread , please come upstairs
Anna7000: Tucker Carlson used to have his own one hour show on MSNBC 6 pm ET but he was replaced by David Gregory’s Race to the White House a few months ago. He is now a political correspondent for MSNBC and comes on shows once in a while. He works for some online blog and loves Ron Paul.
Chris Matthews is on MSNBC.
886 KAI~ THANKS… MORE PIC’S TO COME..
Sweetie,
“has a high pitched talking voice” – sexist remark, the same one tweetie used to diminish Hillary every night for two years. ought to drop that comment from your repertoire.
Can somebody tell me what happened to Lou Dobbs – 7 PM and he’s not on?
What, they got rid of him for telling the truth? where is he?
Bad mistake McCain is making. Opening his convention with Bush and Cheney speaking. Terrible terrible mistake.
Next – I want to remind us of something. We’re not in this because , as Hillary said, for her . Were in this because we saw what a corrupt system the DNC pushed – yes they pushed it against the woman we wre supporting – but they could do it to anyone – they are corrupt and it showed big time to those who were watching.
I personally dont think anyone is going to reform it, or that it can be anymore. It is not the Democratic party that we knew and has strayed so far, and is so filled with crooks, like the republicans too , that there is no saving it – maybe there’s no saving the current system.
Buy we need a third party. And there I disagree with Murphy – she hasn’t had time to think this out – we need to be a party floating candidates in 2 years, not just a “League of Women’s voters”
Wouldn’t it be something if McCain wins this election and Palin succeeds him in 2012. Can you imagine an election with Hillary as the Democratic nom inee and palin as the Republican? Talk about an abundance of riches.
By the way, 4Hillary has been dumped on a lot, especially yesterday. It’s grossly unfair to attack the person. Let’s concentrate on the message.
well said mpdamon –
new post up,
be wonderful to each other –
Take it upstairs!
Kelli, I’m sure the McCain campaign would prefer not to have Bush or Cheney speak at all, but they have no choice. You can’t ignore the sitting prez and VP, even if they’re horibbly unpopular. Better to have them speak on the first day to get it out of the way.
We need a viable third party with candidates and there has never been an opportunity like this one to gather the 18 million or what’s left of them, and organize it.
Next, I went down to Supervisor of Elections today to turn in my precinct laptop. And guess what he told me? NEW REGISTRATIONS ARE COMING IN LIKE MAD.
OBAMA’S NEW REGISTRATIONS. since the local elections on Tuesday, and this is Friday, they have had 500 new registrations – and this is just one office in the county. And just one county in Battleground State Florida.
We have to get busy people. And get the word out about writing in, not writing in, or making it McCain.,
personally – in person handing out flyers why we are voting for McCain.
Another thing – if we are going to clean out the dem party we cant worry about having a dem congress. This dem congress we elected with Nancy, Hoyer, Clyburn and the rest of the coup group didnt do one thing we elected them to.
If you’re going to vote McCain , you’re going to have to lobby him to pay attention to your issues and lead his party that way.
If you are going to help the democratic party to implode, we cant hold back.
this isn’t payback for Hillary. It’s payback and cleanup for being CORRUPT.
So what’s our mission? For me, that’s the mission.
K.
Party Unity My ARSE
Agree, Kelligesq—We are up against a massive tsunami of BO voters being registered daily. We don’t have time to fine tune or cherry pick voting choices. This has to go down, and our action has to be PROFOUND.
new thread upstairs
The question shouldn’t be where does life begin, but where does it end.
Obviously, a life has started it’s journey in becoming a human being at conception. An abortion stops the process before a complete human being is formed and is ready to be removed from the woman’s umbilical cord. That is where life ends. It can be by choice or miscarriage.
Life ends in many other ways as well after birth. Disease, accidents, war, old age or heinous acts by another human are some examples. The diference in the ending of life by pro choicers and their counterparts is that the abortion of a yet completed human is by choice while other forms of death can be attributed to fate or God’s will.
Best choice I know of that is perfectly acceptable to a civil society is… to think before you love. Be prepared finacially and emotionally before being faced with an ambiguous situation. Don’t let a moment of passion override your ability to reason. Then there can be no regrets and no difficult choices necessary.
Because the human species is not like an animal programmed to reproduce a woman can choose when the time is right to bring a life into this world.
There are exceptions to every rule, of course. But for the general issue of abortion I think it applies mainly to capable men and women with the ability to restrain themselves from natural desires.
Where does life end? That is the question. Surely it can’t end by choice. Not even suicide is considered an acceptable choice to the ending of life.
Hi Pumas,
Some information on Sarah Palin:
http://themountainsage.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/sarah-palin-an-anomaly-in-american-politics/#comment-1176
#431 Freddie well said – completely agree
Murphy has asked that we be kind to each other.
May I ask that we speak out against the MSM, MSNBC in particular, as they try to demean and diminish Sarah Palin run for VP.
Whether you can vote the McCain/Palin ticket or not we must not let the sexism and misogyny that plagued HCR be allowed to continue with Sarah.
As far as I’m concerned, when even one woman is demeaned we are all impacted and diminished. I for one am tired of it.
So to Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, Jack the jerk Cafferty, etc. be forewarned. ENOUGH! We’re not taking it any more!
sportsone234, I totally agree. I couldn’t stomach another beating.
#872- ((((((((ANNA7000)))))))
$876- ((((((((LADYHAWKKE)))))))
what they said… and here’s my 2 cents too
Even though things may have begun to settle down a little bit.. I still think some of the things said on here today are horrible!!!!
I am a Democrat. I’ve been a Democrat for over 40 years. I am not a Republican. I am most assuredly not a troll. I do not now nor have I EVER supported Nobama. From the beginning I supported HRC and… yes, I still do, 1000%. I don’t understand everything they are doing, but I trust her and because I do, I trust she believes she has a good reason for what she is doing.
That said.. I will not VOTE for Nobama… but I am having a hard time voting for a Republican. An agonizing time, actually. I have NEVER voted Republican in my entire life.. my parents and my grandparents and their parents, etc were Democrats.. members of the Union, specifically Bricklayers. I grew up on all that. I do not see why so many here are at least BORDERLINE ATTACKING people who are expressing hesitation about voting for Senator McCain. I may do that. I am just not sure at this juncture. But for goodness sake, why would it not be an agonizing choice for me!!! Why is it not possible for it to be an agonizing or even impossible choice for others???
Again, I believe a lot of people are merely stoked up and want to do what they believe is the very best to punish the DNC and the Democratic Party and Nobama.. etc., Dean, all the others, for the fraud they have perpetuated on the voters.. on US, loyal, steadfast Democrats who have and still do support the issues that the Democratic Party is supposed to stand for.. I still stand for those issues!!!
But NO ONE, NOT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, NOT HOWARD DEAN, NOT NANCY PELOSI, NOT DONNA BRAZILLE, AND NOT EVEN HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON TELLS ME HOW TO VOTE!!! and that has to include fellow members of Puma Pac. I know that we are all stirred up and angry.. absolutely!!! feeling betrayed??? ME TOO!!!!
I 100% agree with what MURPHY AND MAMA PUMA AND MARYLAND PUMA have all said.. discuss, debate, but do NOT ATTACK. Before someone says they haven’t been attacking, I’m not saying you all have been attacking.. many have expressed their belief that everyone SHOULD do what they believe is best.. that’s great… but there are some who are ARGUING with people who state they would abstain from voting for President or stay at home or vote 3rd party.. AND THAT’S AGAINST THE RULES!!!!
Please, please, I am seriously asking everyone to step back and think!!! This is a WONDERFUL BLOG.. it needs to continue to be wonderful…
WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS, REMEMBER THAT..
NOBAMA, NO WAY, NO HOW.. WE WILL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER.
#916 sportsone234
Hear hear !!!
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It’s great to know that McCain respects woman more than Obama and all, and that he chose a female VP, but the fact that she is “bible thumper” and extremely out and active about being Pro-Life worries me:
“The governor is a lifetime member of the National Rifle Association and a strong anti-abortion advocate. “We’ve both been very vocal about being pro-life,” she said of herself and her husband, Todd.”
It definitely seems like she has a “Pro-Life” agenda in mind. That combined with the statements on McCain’s website saying he want’s to pack the Supreme Court with conservative judges for the sole purpose of trying to over-turn Roe vs. Wade also worries me.
Members here and on the clintondems site keep posting how Roe vs. Wade is a non-issue and nothing to worry about, but with a ticket like this that seems even more hell bent on banning abortion then Bush/Cheney was, it is really unsettling.
I am so bummed out. I really don’t know what to do in November anymore. Even most of the Independent candidates are either corrupt or crazy (I heard that Cynthia McKinney is both!). My head hurts and this sucks! Anybody have any suggestions?
Republicans suck. Unlike many of you hear, my family are all republican. I can not stand their political views. Everything they beleive runs contrary to my own values.
I’ll vote for Mccain, not because he pulled a vagina out and put it on display, because, from what I am learning of this Palin woman, I don’t think I like her much, and certainly agree on nothing with her…but I won’t like voting them in.
I started off in June saying I couldn’t vote for either Blam-blam or Mccain, and I guess I’ve done crumbled and said well, in the interests of survival, at this point, I don’t see a choice, I must vote republican. But again, I really, really don’t like it.
I can certainly respect any PUMA who can’t do it. If you tell me you’re gonna vote for Barracks there, then I’ll have a problem. Other than that, it’s more than acceptable to not want to vote Mccain, indeed, if you DIDN’T have some serious misgivings about it, I’d be wondering what kind of democrat you were.
Ech. The environmental travesties that are allowed to go on in Alaska…I wanna puke.
finally !! my people are here !! I couldn’t find anyone……….
I came by earlier, Blue, but the blog was down. Have been wondering for a few minutes here where everyone is.
Kerri ……………thanks Kerri…………this is weird
The lack of people is weird or….what?
It is a bit of a ghost town. I wasn’t under the impression that the den had become empty. I did stay away for a couple of days, but when I returned last night seemed the place was as lively as usual.
K, there’s a new thread….that’s why we’re talking to ourselves.
why don’t my posts show up. I have been a Puma for months and a part of the letter sending to delegates, calls and faxes.
hmmmmmmm! I guess some go through.
Thank you all Puma’s. Good luck with your new adventure.
Feel really bad for Hillary if Gov. Paulin is first women to be elected VP when Hillary truly should be our next President. Paalin is no Hillary but maybe better than the other option? Honestly don’t know what to do next.
What a mess!
KENDALBLUE – Did you get in here?
My understanding is:
THIS IS AN OBAMA-FREE BLOG.
If anyone wants to sing the praises of, or yammer onabout voting for Obama they can join their compadres at the kool-aid stand.
The one thing we all have in common is NOBAMA.
By the way, what does “feel good feminism” mean anyway?
today’s papers
Palin Comparison
By Barron YoungSmith
Posted Saturday, Aug. 30, 2008, at 6:25 AM ET
All the papers lead with John McCain’s surprise selection of Alaska governor Sarah Palin for his running mate. He shocked election-watchers and scrambled the presidential race with a “Hail Mary pass”–eschewing more conventional choices for the inexperienced, socially conservative, corruption-fighting “hockey mom.” Appearing together in Ohio, McCain lauded her reform credentials, while Palin framed her candidacy as an extension of Hillary Clinton’s quest to “shatter [the] glass ceiling.”
The New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Washington Post, and Wall Street Journal call it a risky play to revitalize John McCain’s “maverick” image. Choosing Palin undercuts the argument that Barack Obama is too inexperienced, raising questions about John McCain’s age and judgment. But it could pay off: Palin–an NRA member and staunch pro-lifer–is energizing evangelicals and tempting Hillary Clinton voters to defect. An LAT analysis piece worries it’s a sign that McCain relies on short-sighted “gut-checks,” while an early version of the WSJ lead called it a “calculated bet.” It’s likely a bit of both–McCain’s a high-stakes gambler who knows the odds.
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Barron YoungSmith is a reporter-researcher at The New Republic.
Im new to blogging. I like the NDP idea, but don’t think you can change the old DP without defeating Pelosi, OHB, etc. YOU MUST REPLACE THEM by supporting a 3rd canitate (a NDP canitate!!!) Problem is that this is impossible to do without breaking the two party lock on elections.
People don’t want to waste their vote on a 3rd party canidate. My solution would be to change the election process. Allow a 1st and 2nd choice for all elected offices so people can vote 3rd party without wasting their votes. If no canitate get 50% of the vote, eliminate the least popular canidate and repeat the tally until someone wins.
Does anyone agree? The Dems and Reps would never allow this to happen though.
Thank you PUMA. A new party!!! Just what we need and I have been waiting for.
Thank you for including me.
I’m looking for a 3rd Party. I can’t vote Republican and now I can’t vote Democrat. I wish I could believe the Democratic Party would reform, but I have little hope anymore. They wouldn’t even put it in their platform. Any suggestions?
lizben08, check out this: http://annabellep.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/voting-options-and-more/
murphy,
All power to you on this effort that I WILL support,
But I want to talk for a sec about…what’s in a name.
I certainly understand the urgency we now face to sever our ties from and to defeat the Obamacrats
this fall.
THAT not Obama Democrats is the term I have used all along because, from MY perspective, I’ve never considered the “followers” of Barack TRUE BLUE democrats in any way that I’d define us.
I would never have joined nor can I remain in a party that is ALLOWED to behave in this imperious manner.
Nor do I think they see themselves as democrats– not as we define ourselves
At least not those Utopian young ones who (even WITH The Tudors) don’t know enough history to realize that Thomas Moore MAY have invented the concept of Utopia, but he also BURNED questioning heritic Lutherans (who bore a likeness to PUMAs) at the stake–which kinda muddies the clarity of his vision to me…
That’s the Trouble with Obama styled Utopians. It’s all rapture and Euphoria unless you don’t happen to fit in or agree and then they…kill you.
(The older Obamacrat are more tragic to me–in a lala land of I Have a Dream fullfillment, they don’t seem to NOTICE that the kiddies are lining up behind…Wright and Farrakahn NOT Martin and JFK, And the Old Folk may have a tear in their nostalgic eye but the generation NEXT! internet meangurls and bullyboys have something more like a steely glint)
As some commentator mentioned, ALL the civil rights era set were openly weeping at the site of a black man running for president…
But Barack and Michelle’s sly ever shifting eyes were…dry. They are not living an American Dream, they are plotting a hostile takeover and have gotten closer than one would ever think…possible…by rubbing raw our fears and playing on our fondnesses.
All the while sending out signals of revolution that they THINK are too subtle for us old boomers to see. Like we never sent out any SIGNALS ourselves!
(we’d like our peace sign back please)
Raptorlike Republicans are FAR more VIGILANT and all they must do is make a slideshow of the Obama IMAGES; the third world dictator silkscreens, the new presidential seal, the world map with NO North America, the Camp Obama logo, the tickets with the inverted flag…torn straight from Leni Refienstahl’s storyboards
And something else that has alerted me…on those
comment sections where posters can declare political affiliation…have you noticed how many obama supporters declare NA…(not applicable?)
Obama voters say the Democrat designation is NOT applicable to them?
Then what were they DOING IN DENVER other than exploiting a sturdy construct that they will be more than willing to dismantle slash and burn (as they did to The Clintons) when (IF) they come to Power in November
I knew they were NEVER going to reconcile with the Clinton Camp quite simply because they won’t NEED the Clinton Camp–they are NOT democrats!
They are…Obamacrats…swearing allegiance to a MAN not a party or even a country.
Surely we pumas WILL work to defeat the current corrupt leadership of the DNC for I think ALL present agree that Howard and Nancy and Barack and Brazile (who I lay odds crafted the whole Obama Caper with her BFF Karl Rove)
But I question IF we must define ourselves as a NEW anything when WE have BEEN the backbone of the Democratic Party as long as we have been politically aware, in my case, fro 40 years! We BELONG TO one of the oldest continuous political parties in HISTORY
So, shouldn’t we…instead…rip the braids off Obama’s commander in chief shoulders and strip THE BRAVE NEW OBAMACRATS of the cynical USE of OUR long established franchise?
Shouldn’t we call ourselves the TRU BLU DEMOCRATS
Shouldn’t we force the Obamacrats OUT on the pavement to form their OWN party as THEY DEFINE IT
just wonder how long THE OBAMACRATS would last
out there all on their own…
Without the GOOD OLD Democratic Party.
http://www.wsj.com/article/SB121944770970665183.html?mod=most_emailed_day
This is a history of the Dems since 1960. As an independent conservative (not a Bush or McCain fan), I found this very interesting. It helped me understand why all the Dems in my family and I left the party years ago. Many of you and I disagree on issues such as abortion and illegal immigration, but we can unite on the principles of our republic, the Constitution, one-person/one-vote, honesty and integrity, etc.
After reading about what happened during the caucuses and in Denver, I’d like to bring up something that concerns me about the Nov election. I lived in Chicago for 3+ years. I’ve seen Chicago politics in action. We will all have to be especially vigilant this year to be sure that all voters are REGISTERED US CITIZENS (and living ones at that). You may know the motto of the Chicago political machine: “Vote early and often.”
Have a great Labor Day weekend! P.S. I like the Sarah Palin pick, too.
http://www.wsj.com/article/SB121944770970665183.html?mod=most_emailed_day
MURPHY,
YOU ARE ON TOP OF ISSUES! THANK YOU.
E-MAIL SENT..CAN’T GET INTO WEBSITE YET..
LOVE TO ALL PUMAS!
I invite all great PUMA (People United Mean Action) associates to read the following from world renown columnist Charles Krauthammer. (This can be sourced through WashingtonPost.com, or RealClearPolitics.com.)
Mr. Krauthammer hit a home run here.
This further shows our Democratic Party has been “hijacked” by a group called the Democratic National Committee, under the auspices of a Howard Dean.
Our entire Democratic Primary was absolutely flawed, and this “Un-Democratic Committee” let everything proceed as if everything was fine, and O.K.
One thing they could have controlled was what happened in Florida and Michigan, and I know there were additional irregularities as well.
I did the research on the Florida mess, and I will post my information in a week or so on that; but in summary it was the Republican controlled legislature and Republican Governor who forced through the decision to hold the primary one week earlier than it should have been. The people went and voted, and Howard Dean and his committee of sycophants all said nothing would count. Hillary Clinton won the primary vote there big time. Of course there was skullduggery there. Mr. Dean and his Washington Committee (since relocated to Chicago) were all in the tank for Mr. Obama. At the time, Hillary Clinton agreed to a revote, but Mr. Obama refused. Of course. He knew he would lose again. Note: I’ll post the whole story here in a week or so.
NEW SUBJECT: I commend the leadership here at PUMApac.org starting this NewDemocraticParty.org. We need that.
It’s time we the “people” take back the Democratic Party. We can do it now, and it can start right here under this new banner.
I am joining what I know will be many millions already in supporting a NEW Senator John McCain, and this great new dynamic Governor Sarah Palin, as the V.P. running mate. We are asking Senator McCain to give maximum attention to our economy. It is in a mess. I know all of us will be writing about that on these sites. We can not be a strong nation, with the condition we are in now. We can’t. More later.
And thank you all…. AND WELCOME please new PUMA friends. Let us hear from you. This is your site also.
Common Sense 12 or Common Sense Bruce
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The Perfect Stranger
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, August 29, 2008
Barack Obama is an immensely talented man whose talents have been largely devoted to crafting, and chronicling, his own life. Not things. Not ideas. Not institutions. But himself.
Nothing wrong or even terribly odd about that, except that he is laying claim to the job of crafting the coming history of the United States. A leap of such audacity is odd. The air of unease at the Democratic convention this week was not just a result of the Clinton psychodrama. The deeper anxiety was that the party was nominating a man of many gifts but precious few accomplishments — bearing even fewer witnesses.
When John Kerry was introduced at his convention four years ago, an honor guard of a dozen mates from his Vietnam days surrounded him on the podium attesting to his character and readiness to lead. Such personal testimonials are the norm. The roster of fellow soldiers or fellow senators who could from personal experience vouch for John McCain is rather long. At a less partisan date in the calendar, that roster might even include Democrats Russ Feingold and Edward Kennedy, with whom John McCain has worked to fashion important legislation.
Eerily missing at the Democratic convention this year were people of stature who were seriously involved at some point in Obama’s life standing up to say: I know Barack Obama. I’ve been with Barack Obama. We’ve toiled/endured together. You can trust him. I do.
Hillary Clinton could have said something like that. She and Obama had, after all, engaged in a historic, utterly compelling contest for the nomination. During her convention speech, you kept waiting for her to offer just one line of testimony: I have come to know this man, to admire this man, to see his character, his courage, his wisdom, his judgment. Whatever. Anything.
Instead, nothing. She of course endorsed him. But the endorsement was entirely programmatic: We’re all Democrats. He’s a Democrat. He believes what you believe. So we must elect him — I am currently unavailable — to get Democratic things done. God bless America.
Clinton’s withholding the “I’ve come to know this man” was vindictive and supremely self-serving — but jarring, too, because you realize that if she didn’t do it, no one else would. Not because of any inherent deficiency in Obama’s character. But simply as a reflection of a young life with a biography remarkably thin by the standard of presidential candidates.
Who was there to speak about the real Barack Obama? His wife. She could tell you about Barack the father, the husband, the family man in a winning and perfectly sincere way. But that takes you only so far. It doesn’t take you to the public man, the national leader.
Who is to testify to that? Hillary’s husband on night three did aver that Obama is “ready to lead.” However, he offered not a shred of evidence, let alone personal experience with Obama. And although he pulled it off charmingly, everyone knew that, having been suggesting precisely the opposite for months, he meant not a word of it.
Obama’s vice presidential selection, Joe Biden, naturally advertised his patron’s virtues, such as the fact that he had “reached across party lines to . . . keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists.” But securing loose nukes is as bipartisan as motherhood and as uncontroversial as apple pie. The measure was so minimal that it passed by voice vote and received near zero media coverage.
Thought experiment. Assume John McCain had retired from politics. Would he have testified to Obama’s political courage in reaching across the aisle to work with him on ethics reform, a collaboration Obama boasted about in the Saddleback debate? “In fact,” reports the Annenberg Political Fact Check, “the two worked together for barely a week, after which McCain accused Obama of ‘partisan posturing’ ” — and launched a volcanic missive charging him with double-cross.
So where are the colleagues? The buddies? The political or spiritual soul mates? His most important spiritual adviser and mentor was Jeremiah Wright. But he’s out. Then there’s William Ayers, with whom he served on a board. He’s out. Where are the others?
The oddity of this convention is that its central figure is the ultimate self-made man, a dazzling mysterious Gatsby. The palpable apprehension is that the anointed is a stranger — a deeply engaging, elegant, brilliant stranger with whom the Democrats had a torrid affair. Having slowly woken up, they see the ring and wonder who exactly they married last night.
letters@charleskrauthammer.com
Read more from Charles Krauthammer at washingtonpost.com
I am one of the original Reagan Democrats coming from a large family of Reagan Democrats. We did not have a catchy little name like PUMA, and we maybe crossed over that November long ago for different reasons. Some afterward returned to their Democrat roots, while others made the Republican Party their new Party of choice. Whatever you decide, by God, I welcome with open arms any PUMAS and any other Democrat and Independent that does not like where the DNC is taking the Party, to join us this November to stop Obama.
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