Goodbye Howard Dean. Goodbye Barack Obama. Goodbye Nancy Pelosi. Goodbye Donna Brazile. You have not only lost the White House for the Democratic Party. Today you have brought the Democratic Party to the brink of irrelevancy altogether. John McCain has played you all like a piano.
Today we say GOODBYE to the OLD Democratic Party. The OLD Democratic Party has led us to DISASTER. John McCain and Sarah Palin will win in November by a landslide.
TODAY, August 29th 2008, Puma PAC has started a new political party:
THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY
We have a website launching tonight. at www.thenewdemocraticparty.org
and www.ndp.org
We will be modeled on Alice Paul’s National Woman’s Party. We will NOT be running candidates. We WILL be endorsing candidates.
We will be the Party for All Disaffected Democrats who are FINISHED WITH THE OLD DEMOCRATIC PARTY. We are NOT Republicans, though millions of us will vote McCain/Palin in November.
Our Platform is the Platform of the TRUE Democratic Party
- Healthcare for All
- Equal Rights for women, LGBT, and people of color
- Reproductive Rights
- Worker Protections
- Envmtl Protections
- Fair Immigration Policy
- Help for working class college students
- Good public schools
WE MUST PREVENT A REPUBLICAN TAKEOVER OF THE ELECTORATE. WE NEED A POLITICAL PARTY FOR ALL THE MILLIONS WHO WANT TO BOLT THE DEMS AFTER TODAY’S FIASCO.
Please JOIN US. We NEED the Platform and Principles of GOOD DEMOCRATIC VALUES now MORE THAN EVER. We MUST STAY UNITED AS A DEMOCRATIC VOTING BLOC OR WE COULD LOSE EVERYTHING.
To Join the New Democratic Party, please send an email with your name and state today to newdemparty@pumapac.org
Listen in tonight to the Lion’s Share on No We Won’t Radio with Sheri Tagg. Riverdaughter and I will join her to talk about today’s events and where we go from here.
www.blogtalkradio.com/no-we-wont
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848 jody in florida
“Yes, unless the Republicans reclaim the House.”
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INCORRECT
First , she would appoint a new VP
Then , to remove her , she would have to be impeached , then the new vp would be pres ..
Murphy - Please explain how the new org/web site you note at the top of the thread is or isn’t connected to PUMApac. I’m confused.
count me in from Montana…my family all plan to vote for McCain after this brilliant choice of VP….
Murphy , will we still be Pumas ?
Murphy - are you shutting down this site???
#861 TexasTigress on 08.29.08 at 1:54 pm
First , she would appoint a new VP
Then , to remove her , she would have to be impeached , then the new vp would be pres ..
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So then, the new Pres APPOINTS a new VP?
MURPHY - Please elaborate.
Repost from previous thread.
#698 Murphy,
You stated:
“Howard and Obama have now succeeded at not only losing us the White House, but they have actually brought us to the brink of irrelevancy for the Democratic Party altogether.”
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Dear sweet friend and exceptional leader. I am so sorry my feelings ran contrary to yours. Ever since the DNC cheated Hillary out of the nomination I thought their undemocratic crime was “deserving of party extinction”. I will not miss them at all if they have indeed committed politicide (made that word up, btw, meaning killed themselves). They needed to learn a lesson in democracy. Hopefully they will change and you can believe again. This is my dream for you. In the meantime I think our country has just been saved by this man called McCain. At least he and Sarah can hold the fort until a better day for you and all who believed as Democrats.
Murphy, stay on the road to reform and restoration to your party and maybe it will make a comeback.
As for the Republicans they better not blow this brilliant opportunity to be the new party for the people. They haven’t won anything yet except the promise of potential. They still need to work a lot at winning this election. For our country’s sake I wish them great success.
You, Murphy, are still a hero to many. I know I will always admire you. You have made me a puma for life.
Keep going, kiddo. YOU are the one nobody was expecting.
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SWING STATES STRATEGIES
– Ways and tactics to help defeat BO should take high priority now.
– This is a very close election! BO is in the lead or tied in national & swing-state polls!
– If BO wins, Hillary’s future presidential hopes likely END.
– If BO looses, Hillary can run (and win) in 2012 !
– Having the first woman Vice President (Palin) now would be a breakthrough and would pave the way for the first woman President
– We only have 58 days left!
>> PUMApac should invest money and energy into the crucial battleground states that will decide the election!!!
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** POSSIBLE TACTICS:
• Well-produced ADS for TV, radio newspapers, etc to help expose/vet BO & convince Americans that he’s not fit to be our president.
• Make phone calls. Gather phone lists of crucial swing voters. Organize phoning volunteers.
• Distribute flyers and other materials; spread “Viral” Emails and Forwarded articles, talk to people and the press, etc.
• Model our efforts on effective campaign strategies, except we’re not officially campaigning for someone; we’re campaigning against BO.
— NOTE: I proposed a similar “SWING STATES STRATEGIES” in posts here several weeks ago and got some agreement… and last night, a puma (John) also suggested that we focus on battleground states and that triggered some positive responses (though I came home late last night and couldn’t join in the conversation). My sense is that NOW is the right time for this.
Again, we only have 58 days left and BO is in the lead now!
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Of course we will still be Pumas! of course we are not shutting down this site.
Silly Pumas.
The New Dem Party is for all of us Pumas who are DEVASTATED by how utterly the DNC and the Obama Movement has FAILED US.
If McCain wins by a landslide of epic proportions (which is quite possible now with the pick of Palin) the platform and principles of the Democratic Party are in grave danger.
We must prevent a huge shift of Democrats to the Repubs. We must reach out to moderate and independents and keep our core base committed to Dem Principles.
Murphy - For those who will not be able to tune into blogtalkradio for whatever reasons, can you provide even a brief explanation of the relationship between this new org and web site and PUMApac. Remember, in order for someone to find out by listening to blogtalkradio it’s like a caucus - you gotta show up at a certain time. For those who can’t, how about a little bit more info. OR, if you are wanting to wait until the radio show, after which you will post something clearer for those who can’t listen, then can you at least post that intention here? Thanks.
Senator McCain has hit it out of the ball park with his VP pick. I hoped he would do that; so here’s mud in your eye DNC. Was his pick political? Sure. But it was smart politics, and says to me he sees the forest through the trees. After all, he called it what it was the night O pushed Senator Clinton off the stage - - the evening the SD’s dragged his sorry behind passed the finish line. McCain said, “Party Elders gave him the nomination”. If you live in a battleground state, you may have seen McCain’s ad, congratulating O on his nomination, & ending the message with “how perfect that your nomination will be received on this very historic day.” How long in advance PUMA’s have the reservations for the convention been booked and dates selected? At least a year, right? Isn’t it more than a coincidence that we just happened to have a nominee who would so perfectly reflect the historic date of Dr. King’s speech, “I had a dream”. I think this underscores that O was picked a long time ago to be that nominee. Not that I had any doubts. McCain knows it…and that comment reflects it. He ended the ad saying to O, but tomorrow it’s back to business. And so it is. The first Vice Presidential female candidate since Geraldine Ferraro. Congratulations for your wisdom, senator McCain. This flowerchild knows a maverick when she sees one.
MurphyI assume that this means our mission is still vote your conscience at top of ticket and vote down ticket dems to make sure we hold a majority in Congress against a potential Republican executive branch?? Correct??
Murphy - Is this new party the result of a coaltion of other grassroots orgs, or is it your baby entirely?
Murphy - Is this new party the result of a coaltion of other grassroots orgs, or is it your baby entirely?
BRAVO MCCAIN and PALIN! I am looking forward to REAL CHANGE and MY VOTE COUNTING and NOT BEING DISMISSED IN THE FALL!
REAL CHANGE and A REAL DIRECTION!
WHILE OBAMA AND BIDEN are LIFELONGERS of the WASHINGTON ELITISTS! MCCAIN PROVED HE IS A TRUE LEADER AND WOMEN ARE NOT DISCOUNTED IN HIS NEW PARTY DIRECTION!!!!
GO FORWARD AND WIN THIS ELECTION, the DNC will SEE that DISALLOWING 18 MILLION PLUS VOTERS DOES COST!
I NEVER BOUGHT THE “UNITY” it was OBVIOUS they were all DRUNK and on “words” for the SHORT TIME….thank GOD its OVER….NOW on to A REAL ELECTION, and ONE OBAMA IS GOING TO LOSE!
I just returned from Town Hall where I switched to ‘unaffiliated’. Was told if I change parties would have to wait 90-days to vote and I couldn’t take that chance. They also said things were heating up down there with new registrants and switchers!!
Looking forward to hearing more about the NEW Democratic Party!!!
CNN showing BO speech again and standing outside the stadium trying to revive the ‘dream’.
Thanks goodcitizen for responding to my previous post (downstairs)
Yes we shall do everything in our power to have McCain elected . Not only for Hillary’s sake but this is a higher purpose this guy its dangerous its a dictador that is taking shots at our liberties he is also a cheat and lier . Obama have more skelletons than a cementary this guy can not be in that white house no way nohow nobama
#20 BigCatLover on 08.29.08 at 2:06 pm
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BwaaaaaaaHaaaaaa! They’re spinning, spinning, spinning! Damage control. This hurts them and they konw it.
tiggboriqua - be sensitive when using the word “we”. we all here at pumapac will have different ways of handling the top of the ticket.
TO: Dean, Pelosi & Brazile
“Hope you’re happy now!”
(as the DNC shatters into 18 million pieces)
Thank you Murphy!!!!!!
Even if my coments didn’t get past moderation it seems that you agree with me that we need a firm stance against the republicans that have infiltrated this blog.
That is how you should measure your success by the frustration levels of the repubs who get increasingly frustrated when there is a “troll” that says that they won’t vote out Dems.
Thank you. Thank you.
Keep up the good fight!!
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266 Nativegirl
271 Brooklyn
304 Rodham
309 Wontbackdown
310 Livinggrace
And others
I haven’t been able to get through today’s entire blog this morning. I logged in feeling so great — happy to hear about Palen — and now I am furious. I don’t appreciate the attacks against TxDemocrat about stating his/her preference for Obama. Every other post here is a rave about McCain. So what right do you have attacking TxDem?? That is what the bots do! I am not a bot nor a troll and I don’t support either McCain or Obama. I am a Hillary supporter who will stay home in November.
Murphy… I support this PAC with a monthly draw on my checking acct. It is small, but it is a lot to me. I contributed for other PUMAs to go to Denver. I BELIEVE what you have written up top. But if this is going to be a ‘Love McCain or get out’ blog then I am out of here. Please respond.
Results of projected candidates - that selected correctly:
Antifish Mc/Palin
Lisa Mc/Palin
CTKey Mc/Palin
Let’s see what Sarah Palin could bring McCain:
*Women! Those who want the historical victory of a woman in high office, but also MOTHERS. Suburban types maybe as well.
*Pumas and other hard-core Hillary supporters who are fed up with the DNC, etc.
*Small Town Voters.
*Blue Collar workers and union members.
*Alaskans.
*Many many mayoral endorsements, which HELPS while campaigning in each state.
*Possibly those who are dealing with disibility in their family…their son Trig has down syndrome.
*Veterans for sure. Her son is in Iraq 9/11/07 (McCain’s sons are also in Iraq).
*Young undecideds might be interested in this 44 year old woman; she is young and so is her family.
*Maybe native Americans will notice that her husband is part Eskimo, and that can help some with Native American vote?
*People tired of the same old names, people who like change, people who like that she is not a Washington Insider.
Very interesting.
Who’s this lady on Fox? She just said BO has over a decade of public service. I thought he said at one point that he had 20 years of public service? Which is it? Bwaaaaaa haaaaaa - they are spinning trying to expand his ‘experience’ to be on the top of the Dem ticket versus this woman who actually has executive experience as VP!!!
Nobamadem #15 — yes. that is correct. No vote for Obama on top and votes for good dems downticket.
Anna7000 — this is Puma PAC’s baby. No We Wont Radio/Sheri Tagg is also in.
The aim of the NDP is to prevent the Republicans from capitalizing on a McCain/Palin landslide by coopting our voting bloc.
Howard and Obama lost us so completely today. We MUST prevent the Republicans from picking us up.
We must prevent a huge shift of Democrats to the Repubs. We must reach out to moderate and independents and keep our core base committed to Dem Principles.
I think its CLEAR that MCCAIN values those principles MORE than OBAMA who is a SOCIALIST!
McCain is FOR lower taxes, LOWER GAS PRICES, for commitment to Global Warming, alternative energy, and women and children, the ONLY thing he has said is that abortion will remain up to the states (that will happen with Obama also) and that we have to CREATE jobs! HE will DO this, Obama again will fail miserably!
IS the FOCUS not to MAKE the DNC suffer for disallowing the votes of the people? IS that not what the CONSTITUTION based on?????
I still say NO OBAMA, and NO BIDEN….I am looking for the BEST candidate and that is CLEARLY John McCain, anyone who knows HRC can see that her speech was plain dialogue and NOTHING more, it was clearly written with the approval of Axcelrod…she KNOWS Obama will lose and she will return with GUSTO in 2012~!
I cant wait to get to work and see how my obotron employees will try to spin their way out of this one…lol!
#28 kat in your hat on 08.29.08 at 2:10 pm
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Amnd don’t forget her proven record of political ethics reform!!!
Jody
Texas lost her internet connection. She says
If MCCain dies Palin would take over as Pres. with No VP.
Then if something happened to Palin the Speaker of the House is next in Line.
#12 murphy - “Of course we will still be Pumas!”
I’m such a silly PUMA…
OBAMA has LESS EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE than PALIN, don’t let them sell you up the RIVER, he has EXACTLY 143 LOGGED SENATE DAYS, he WROTE ONE BILL, the AFRICAN REPUBLIC of the CONGO! THAT IS IT!
Wow, I am noticing that the Obama camp and his supporters seem very upset by McCain’s choice.
They are so nervous and worried about it.
Linda…
GET OVER IT…this is a NO BAMA ZONE….so TX DEM broke the rules…
I am TIRED of feel good feminism…I want to WIN!! NO BAMA…NO BIDEN..NOVEMBER…
PUMAS are COMMITTED TO THIS and to CHANGING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY so that the NEXT TIME HILLARY WINS they won’t STEAL IT FROM HER and LIE AND CHEAT AMERICANS!!
If anyone here wants to talk about voting for SOB they can bo to the BO SITE because I find it abusive and this is one of FEW places in America where we can find refuge, and for that Murphy will always be my heroine….
Does anyone know if any PUMAS fell for the “FALL in LINE” Unity FARCE? DID anyone defect to Obama after being raped and discounted and robbed of their vote?
#34 Caracal Carrie on 08.29.08 at 2:13 pm
If MCCain dies Palin would take over as Pres. with No VP.
Then if something happened to Palin the Speaker of the House is next in Line.
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That’s what I thought but I wasn’t sure. Very, very scary thought. And do ya think she’s thought about this?
MURPHY SIGN ME UP AND SEND ME AN EMAIL AND I WILL DONATE TONIGHT TO OUR NEW POLITICAL PARTY AS SOON AS MY EMAIL COMES BACK..
FROM TEXAS TIGRESS
LindafromTX #26 — this is absolutely not a LOVE MCCAIN blog. Today is a day of upheaval. The news of a woman Republican VP pick is understandably BIG NEWS.
We need to settle down a bit and remember our Dem Principles.
Puma PAC will not endorse John McCain. Absolutely not.
I think this will be BIG in PA. PA has been struggling with rampant fraud and unethical behavior in our state legislature, and as a result the residents here are fed up with government, and very BIG on ethics reform and property tax reform. These are two issues that Palin has a track record on. This will be big here in PA, in my opinion.
MURPHY
What time if the radio show tonight?
Hi PUMAs, I just woke up and found McCain selected a woman as VP. Thought I was still asleep. Came back from Denver last night, am still recovering from loss of brain cells in that crappy thin air and so may be slow to blog until I have a huge cup of Java. Hugs to all you PUMAs and it has been like Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride this week.
#33:
Yes, I am interested in her ethics reform battles and her stance on the issues.
I am very curious about her environmental policies.
Hmmm, what does this mean about drilling in Alaska I wonder.
I am still so surprised about Governor Sarah Palin.
Thank you Murphy -
I am considering myself an Independent
When Democracy returns to the Democratic Party, so will we…………………………this is my motto from now on
I am very happy with McCain’s pick - she’s not Hillary but she is a woman & she’s been a union member, so is her husband……………..I could have a beer with her -
I haven’t talked to my sister-in-law yet but her husband, my x brother-in-law probably knows her very well since he the head of Veterans Affairs in Alaska and was the past national commander for veterans.
I plan to call her to get the inside scoop - Alaska is not a big state in terms of population so it’s kinda like a small town in terms of knowing everyone - sorta, kinda, you know what I mean -
Precious and his vicious followers are going to have to be very careful, IMO, on how they react to Sarah - they’ve already tried to throw mud & if they push too hard, women all over this country are gonna push back - whether they be dems or repubs or independents - like the aa’s bragged - this is our time finally - she’s not Hillary but I can live with that
Murphy,
In Canada the New Democratic Party is the Socialist Party. The name has a negative ring for me. I lived in Canada for quite a long time….
I hope we don’t end up excluding or alienating males by tailoring a new website designed to suit women instead of everyone, men AND women.
I really LIKE THE NAME PUMA - People United For Action. Speaks volumes. Includes everyone. Doesn’t exclude Independents or Republicans who wanted Hillary and believed in what she stands for.
I hope we don’t give up this site or this name.
Can’t we just stay together and work on cleaning up the Democratic Party - getting rid of Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi for starters? Or if we can’t get them out of Congress completely, work hard to strip them of their power?
Work as PUMAs to expose the corruption in the Democratic Party?
Fight against the bias in the media?
Work to get elected people who have integrity and represent the values we cherish in the Democratic Party, whether their actual Democrats or moderate Republicans or Independents?
WE have established a name for ourselves as PUMAs. We have media attention. Why do we want to throw that all away and start over with a new name?
PUMA is perfect. Please, I hope we keep it!
PUMA, Second Phase, if necessary, but still PUMA!
Jody
Texas is saying
as prescribed by the 25th amendment if Palin takes office she would then NOMINATE a vp which would have to be approved by the senate..It doesn’t directly go to the speaker of the House. this is what happened when Richard Nixon resigned, Gerald Ford became president and Nominated Nelson Rockefeller as VP. The senate approved
Repost from downstairs:
As Gov of Alaska she’s IN a foreign policy position considering how close they are to Asia. Alaska has major security issues. And she’s already Commander in chief of her Natl Guard! Besides, doesn’t the BO camp think JUDGEMENT is added to the equation. Now that it’s a woman they won’t count judgement? I hate them.
I love having a female Veep.
History will be made either way.
This choice is an absolute travesty and a slap to the face of feminists everywhere!
Instead of getting an intelligent, experienced, ardent defender of women, they are trying to give us a former beauty queen who is anti womens personal rights.
Third party maybe. Write in. Maybe more so.
There is no way I am voting for McCain now. This is obviosly pandering.
Hey McCain you can’t just throw out any female VP and have us swoon at the idea of voting for her.
We don’t want Barbi Palin!
We want Hillary.
No McCain ‘08 we are not children!!!
WE ARE Democrats in an America where the DEM party has been overthrown by RACIST ANTI-AMERICAN MISOGYNIST CREEPS….
Now, when the REPUBLICAN PARTY is MORE AMERICAN, MORE DEMOCRATIC and MORE WOMEN FRIENDLY this is PROOF POSITIVE THAT THE DONC IS DEAD…
PUMA IS TRYING TO REVIVE HER….and by VOTING McCAIN/PALIN and oVERTHROWING BO/MO/EVIL DEM LEADERSHIP we are MORE DEMOCRATIC than the party is at this point…
THIS IS THE POINT…..We must BRING the DEMS to their knees before we let them stand again….this is a WAR and we must fight hard if we expect to win….not a nice nice thing but a TAKE THEM OUT thing….
Murphy - Much relieved to see your last 2 posts. The discourse today is like a 180 from yesterday and you’re sweet to give breathing room to everyone. I can’t jump for joy about what amounts to a strategic move on McCain’s part and nothing more. There’s a reason I’ve been a Democrat all my life, many of them listed at the top of the thread.
Won’t vote for Obama. But no quick fix to our complex mess with a McCain/Palin ticket.
Will return when things settle down on the blog and we can start getting focused on the monumental tasks ahead.
#13 Anna7000
It is not like a caucus at all. There is streaming of the show that anyone can listen to at anytime.
just go to http://www.blogtalkradio.com/no-we-wont
and you can listen to all the shows right now if you would like.
Anna7000 no problem I would be more sensitive in using We , Also even do that its incorrect when I use we Iam thinking of the votes of my family and friends 12 now we are all in agreement that the only way Obama can lose its if more people vote for McCain and Since the laws are changing in diff states were the same day registration its permited its very likely Obama would use everything posible to register thousands , he already cheated in the primaries He would be doing it again and most likely getting away with it just as he did in the primaries . My appologies if I hurt your sensibilities ,I would make an honest try to avoid using that word . To the people close to the Gustav path you will be in my prayers please be safe .
Murphy, who will make the decisions in this new party? Usually a platform is put together by the people of the party; not the leadership. Will there be a structure that allows people to join and have a vote in major decisions? I love your ideas and enthusiasm, and would love to participate, depending on how decisions are made — including the first ones, like the platform and the specific focus of the party.
# 51 Stealing History from Hillary - Not sure who you are. New name. But, agree with much of what you’ve said. I, for one, don’t want to be a pawn in McCain’s race for the White House. But neither will I vote for Obama.
Murphy and LindafromTX this is what started it.
#227 TX Democrat on 08.29.08 at 11:10 am
Zero foreign policy experience with 2 ongoing wars and the cold war starting up. I’m not willing to take that chance. Voting Obama.
It had nothing to do with a McCain love feast and like jenniforhillary said this is a BO freezone. Didn’t want to get in middle I want the story start and LindafromTX wasn’t understanding why people were upset.
I think this move by Mccain may change the attack mode on Obama. They may back it down a bit, at first I thought they would do whetever it takes to get him out of there, but now maybe they may want him in there just to make sure Hillary does not become a factor again. If he drops out in she comes either as the Nominee or as the VP. The dems could be in big trouble now. If the dems have any chance maybe we will have to pick it 100% and find the things in BHO’s closet fast to get him out of there.
story straight not start sorry.
Murphy, wouldn’t it be nice if we could put an end to the whole Democrat versus Republican mentality?
I’m so tired of the win-lose mentality in Washington. It’s the reason “we the people” always end up losing.
I want to see politicians who play win-win. And I couldn’t care less what political party they represent.
The Greeks now have a not-far-left but a semi-conservative party called New Democracy which is very popular.
I don’t know too much about it but will check it out.
I wonder if we’re headed in that direction?
54 thanks.
55 thanks. got it.
56 great questions!!!! now you got me sticking around to see if some of this will get discussed, though murphy may get into it on the show.
Obama actually has theaudacity to challenge Palin’s…experience?
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/hahaha-obama-questions-palinsexperience-excuse-me-glass-houses/
This is very good news….Palin is a great choice for McCain. I have not forgotten my Dem roots…just not voting for McCain. I’m staying with Dem party. Want them to see how many Dems voted Republican. They have messed in there nest and will have to pay. Hillary in 2012 but for now McCain/Palin!
oops, not voting for Obama…sorry
Murphy
How can you include reproductive rights in your list while supporting candidates that oppose reproductive rights?
It seems rather disingenuous.
I look forward to your response.
Love, Love, the idea of the New Democratic Party!!! I look forward to seeing who is endorsed.
#59 vadaryl on 08.29.08 at 2:23 pm
….If the dems have any chance maybe we will have to pick it 100% and find the things in BHO’s closet fast to get him out of there.
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That’s similar to what I posted downstairs–that if the DNC had any brains they’d “suddenly” find BO ineligible and put Hillary in. But time is critical to get nominee on state ballots.
This is going to be hilarious! The Dems have to try to discredit Palin. Every time they do, they will lose more women.
How about Palin’s paean to Ferraro? Remember that BO said she was the immoral equivalent of Jeremiah Wright. Brilliant!!!
I would like to hear other peoples response. How do you support reproductive rights AND vote for someone who says they want Roe v. Wade overturned. Anyone dare to answer that?
I usually vote person not party. I doubt Roe vs Wade will be overthrown. I believe in a womans right to choose. However, I do not always agree 100% with one person. I will vote what I feel best and do what my conscience tells me to do. The idea is NOBAMA!!! I will work hard to have him lose by a landslide. McCain’s pick has much more experience than Obama which must worry the DNC. Again I will vote conscience.
Stop calling some pumas Republicans. If you can’t support Obama for president, what are you supposed to do, stay home. No way, that achieves nothing. We vote for someone else. And if we want to celebrate a female VP pick, that’s okay too. There are alot of other dems on the ticket and one election does not change a person’s core beliefs.
Jennforhillary
“WE ARE Democrats in an America where the DEM party has been overthrown by RACIST ANTI-AMERICAN MISOGYNIST CREEPS….”
You have got to be freakin’ kidding me!!
I may not be an ardent supporter but to call the DEM party “RACIST” is incredibly short sighted.
I am making a list of Republican spinsters who just get accounts to try to lead us, (as if that was easy to do).
You, my friend, respectfully made my list.
I wish you well with the GOP. Best of luck but we are not children here!!!
Tx DEm: why are you here?
Oh, I made a mistake, Palin’s son joined the army 9/11/07, and he will go to Iraq 9/11/08.
I am trying to learn a lot quickly…
She owns a float plane (cool!) and she returned to work only three days after giving birth!
She tried marijuana when it was legal in Alaska, but she didn’t like it.
She is a hunter, she ice-fishes, and rides snow mobiles!
I love the outdoors. I think this sounds cool.
#26 LindafromTx
Puma has always been about making sure Obama is not elected, so how can anyone be upset if we don’t agree with their choice to support him?
Obama lied, cheated and outright stole votes that we cast for Hillary. I will always be vocal in my displeasure at anyone supporting him, especially someone who said they supported Hillary.
71 TX democrac
You again? please, enough with the Roe v.Wade, that argument holds no water.
We’re just coming out of 8 years of George W. Bush, remember?
Is that all you have?
Stealinhistoryfromhillary-NOT! Hill released her delegates. If she wants to be POTUS she needs to take back her party, with our help. This will help her do that.
Please contact the DSCC and tell them that we will only support them (and their candidates) once it has been made clear to us that the Senate Democrats will elect Hillary Clinton as their leader in January:
http://www.dscc.org/content?content_item_KEY=1442
(hat tip to Will Bower)
Are TX Dem and Linda the same person?
#71: TX Democrat:
I don’t think Roe v Wade will be overturned. And, I think we need to have a democratic congress who can vote on the next Supreme Court judge.
I am FAR FAR FAR more concerned about the sort of judges Obama would put in place over McCain.
Murphy
I think you have given TX Democrat enough air time.
Wow…we all have different takes on all this. This is good since this is America and we do have that right. We must respect others point of view and remember that it may not be how we feel but everyone has a right to their owns feelings. THe goal here is NOBAMA and I think we all agree on that.
#72 4hillinca
You say you “doubt” it will be overturned but you are willing to take a chance? How big a chance are you willing to take? Can you quantify it?
It’s unbelievable to me how a bunch of people that supposedly support Hillary are now going against so many things that she has spent her life fighting for. I can’t make sense of it.
Do you support the policies of Hillary Clinton or will any woman be good enough? Really.
I am really thinking today that there may be people on here who are here just for the sake of arguing.
I am proud of all of you Pumas and our diverse choices.
I think our differences along with our desire to stand up to corruption makes us strong.
One finger pointing blame is weak compared to a whole handing making a fist! I think we are going to make a difference. Do not let the detractors get you down.
http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/2008/08/on-being-democrats-democrat.html
Well, I think everyone’s vote is their own business as long as it is NOBAMA while on this site.
What I would like to know is if we can find out from Geraldine or Hillary if there is a specific position in the White House that we can get her NOW….???
I am from the city, so she seems exotic to me! lol. Alaskan wilderness…husband is part Eskimo…I just like it.
alice - interesting idea. what exactly is a “dem leader”? i hate to sound like a dope, but is that the official title? or is it more of an unofficial position of power?
Anna 7000
I am a new name but I have been reading the blogs for more than a week now.
I needed the support but this site in the past two days has been making my head nearly explode!!!
I can’t take the Old White Guy party treating us like 4 year olds that try to distract us with Shiny things that they think we like!
Is Palin Hillary?
No!
They think that we will swallow that Pill and let Hills place in history be stolen away? (Hence the moniker)
Hillary supporters are not McCains Pawns.
3rd party maybe.
I supported Hillary because she is just about as far from the GOP as we can get.
I won’t roll over and let the GOP rub my belly because I felt betrayed.
Note about Trolls: Trolls go to NObo sites to cause trouble. They either engage individuals into arguments or incite members into arguing w/each other. Their goal is to “divide and conquer,” thereby weakening the enemy–BO’s classic dirty tactics. If ignored they usually go away.
Getting chilly in here…brrrrrr…
TX DEMOCRAZED…
Sarah Palin does not believe in turning over Roe vrs. Wade. She believe that abortion can be stopped by funding women’s health programs, child care and adoption. She has never stated that she wants to repeal Roe vr. Wade.
AND McCAIN has ON RECORD stated that he has no interest in overturning Roe because it would ONLY HURt POOR WOMEN…
STOP trying to use our bodies to get us to vote for the BIGGEST misogynist in the country….
And STOP speaking for Hillary….STOP IT NOW!!
Amazing! The republicans can choose a somewhat inexperienced woman and the democrats cannot choose an experienced one.
I am so ready for the new democratic party.
#74 Stealin:
You are new to PUMA. Jennifer4hillary is a mainstay here. Get to know her better, okay? Please. Cool.
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You have email!!
Please read your email and join the New Democratic Party at newdemparty@pumapac.org
PUMAs unite (there’s that word again).
Mama
71 TX Democrat on 08.29.08 at 2:28 pm I would like to hear other peoples response. How do you support reproductive rights AND vote for someone who says they want Roe v. Wade overturned. Anyone dare to answer that?
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I will tell you how I can do it! I hate abortion, I think it is legally and morally wrong! But I also think it is a personal choice, not a matter for the government to decide. So neither candidate expresses my views.
Murphy - Just got back on
Yes! Yes! Yes!
Puma Democratic Party - I’m definitely in!!!!
GRANDPA here Murphy - had to just pop in before going out again - I am so sorry about the Democratic Party and feel the same way as you - I think the Top spots will have to go with the Republicans but we have to have the Democrats in Congress to balance everything out. Hang in there - you know we love you.
pamawo - summed it up in so few words. someone should use that as a sound bit (though it wouldn’t actually help either party!). murphy should consider posting it at the top of a thread!
#92 jody in florida
That is what I have been saying. We must ignore them. Remeber Hillary Clinton in the face of all their tactics, never lost her focus. We must not lose ours. BO and his team are good at this, but we are on to them. Let us get JM elected and keep our eye on the prize. Maybe I should say :Let’s keep MO/BO from disgracing the Oval Office”.
MamaPuma !!!!!
I have a new email address!!!!!
Help!!!!!
If we prevent the Republicans from ‘co-opting our voting bloc’ it could ensure a victory for Obama. Is it worth that?
We are moving WAY too fast for my liking. Yesterday i suggested taking a ‘wait and see’ stance, at least until after the Republican Convention.
I definitely appreciate the impatience and exuberance of youth. but this makes at least 2 or three changes to our focus in 48 hours.
Attempting to prevent our ‘voting bloc’ ,which may or may not even exist, from supporting McCain/Palin is not palatable to me, if it gives Obama even a slight advantage. At the end of the primary season, I rescinded my membership in the Democratic Party, became a bipartisan Independent and also joined the PUMA movement.
“Discretion is the better part of valor” and discernment is as much a virtue as patience.
Governor Sarah Palin has been to Iraq as often as Obama. She has also visited the troops in Germany…
#83 redraz9
Yes, the easy thing to do is lock me out of the discussion. But there are many others. Is the goal here to lock out opposing views? The blog goals say this is a place where honest debate is welcome.
I have painfully endured 8 years of a failed presidency. Nothing gets done in Washington.
The notion of electing another Republican president and keeping a Democratic congress means 4 more years of nothing being done for the people. That is US!!
Great people like Hillary cannot be kept down. She will have her time and place. I just cannot stand to put everything on hold another 4 years.
As it is now the next president is going to inheirit the biggest mess in history. What will it look like in another 4 years.
So let’s have an honest and respectful debate.
Murphy, Mama, et al. Before I join any new party, I think there are important issues to clarify, including those posted by Elaine up thread, which I’m reposting here:
“Murphy, who will make the decisions in this new party? Usually a platform is put together by the people of the party; not the leadership. Will there be a structure that allows people to join and have a vote in major decisions? I love your ideas and enthusiasm, and would love to participate, depending on how decisions are made — including the first ones, like the platform and the specific focus of the party.”
Sorry Linda that you feel that way, but while you are pulling the KNIFE out of between your shoulderblades, put there by Obama and the DNC maybe you will think about STAYING home and helping Obama WIN through CHEATING, this is NOT what the Constitution set out by our forefathers was meant to imply…the OBAMA people are giddy, they COULD careless HOW they get to it, lying, cheating and stealing is acceptable, they are the WORST kind of representation of the Democratic Party, WIN at all costs regardless of WHO you have to mow down in the process…as for the “trolls” who come here touting Obama, save it or go to his flowery words site and visit there, all of us are making our votes HEARD in protest, and will not support HOW this “election” was taken by a few…I guess you did not bother to listen that IF all the delegates and votes had been counted as they should have been then HRC and Obama would statistically BE in a EVEN tie at the Convention…but a FEW decided to SELECT not ELECT a nominee, if this goes unpunished it will become the STANDARD to voting practices, and WE can NOT allow that for the sanctity of the “process” as a historical event to protect future generations!
This is a NOBAMA SITE! What part of that two words you people don’t understand?
I am voting for McCain due to the fact he is a MODERATE REPUBLICAN. I don’t believe in extremism in any shape or form. I don’t like being threatened also about Roe V. Wade. ONLy those who doesn’t know the rulings of USC will believe the bullsheit they’re selling.
For the FIRST TIME in my life, I’d be voting REPUBLICAN for President. When it comes to downticket, I’d be voting two democrats out of office.
stealinghistoryfromhillary-I applaud your opinion but disagree. Hillary will be the first woman president. No doubt in my mind. The fact that the Demo party is full of sexism as is the media that supports Dean and the DNC has made me look at the Republican party. McCain has put a working woman on his ticket and I’m going to listen to what they have to say, but to dismiss them just because their republicans isn’t something I want to do. I know the DNC expects all Democratic Women to shut up, sit down and vote for Obama. Not going to do it.
Let nobo try to rip this woman apart. I don’t think it will be quite as easy to attack her gender. The Republicans will make sure that DOESN’T happen but she seems to stand on her own pretty well. I am SOOO looking for the debates to start and for that tingle down Chris Matthews leg to turn into a bolt of lightning but UP to the “vital parts.”
I think McCain did a great job keeping Palin quiet and I think made a fool of Obama!! Always glad to see nobo publicly humiliated — the more the better!!!
Tx Democrat go away - we see your viewpoints - enough distraction now
#85 TxDemocrat
I respect Hillary and in my mind and heart NO ONE even comes close to her. I will always feel that way. I worked hard on her campaign and for months after. So the answer your question…Yes I support the policies of Hillary Clinton and NO to ‘will any woman be good enough?’.
Living Grace - You made a lot of great points, especially for me, regarding the pace of things right now. By the way, how you feeling?
A bitter pill for some here to swallow but, TX democrat, please swallow it and be on your way.
This is our revenge and we’re happy.
It’s all for Hillary.
NObama/NOBiden are history already.
That boat is sinking as we speak.
This paves the way for Hillary in ‘12.
Unless by some miracle she gets in now, then it’s full speed ahead for Hillary in ‘08.
With Murphy’s leadership and hard work we can do it.
Look at what we’ve accomplished so far!
It’s no small potatoes!
We’re here for Hillary Clinton who will be President.
Murphy,
I don’t see that happening: i.e. huge shift of people to Republicans.
People still have their core views and issues. If people are leaning to McCain right now it is because he is a moderate and a man they feel they can trust while Obama is not. Their core issues will not change.
In Congress all it takes is 51 votes to pass a bill. It takes 60 votes to override a presidential veto. If we insure that as many moderate Dems and Repubs get elected as possible, that gives protection against the extreme conservative edge of the Repub party from getting control and keeps out the Robert Wexlers, Nancy Pelosi’s, etc., of the Democrats.
In certain regions of the country constituents’ issues may be different and they may need more liberal or more conservative representatives to address their needs, so in those areas, it works to have whomever meets these needs.
For now, I think it’s best to ignore the label of Democrat or Republican and judge individual lawmakers based on where they stand on issues and if you trust them.
Once we get in office someone who will protect us from the likes of Barack Obama and the current corrupt Democratic leadership, we can work on reviving the Democratic Party you are mourning right now, or creating something to replace it.
Take heart, Murphy. One step at a time….But we will get it done.
I had a run in with a BO supporter this morning. She asked me if I’m one of those disgruntled HIllary supporter? Excuse me? Disgusted, yes. Disgruntled, no. She then went on and on about how we had enough of 8 years (straight from the speech last night I’m sure) and how we need to support Democratic values. I then asked her “how do you feel about BO’s stance on FISA?” …cricket sound. What? What’s FISA? ’nuff said.
Stealing MY STORY…
YOU READ MY WORDS…the Democratic Party has gone RACIST this year…RACIST TO THE CORE….
First, they have played the race game by putting a BAD choice male candidate who happens to be part black up against the BEST choice a female candidate who happens not to be black.
Second, they played the RACE CARD to the HIGHEST degree when they allowed BO and MO to claim the Clintons have every said or done ANYTHING RACIST.
Third, NO ONE SAID BOO when 90% of Black Americans voted for BO when this vote is ENTIRELY RACIST because if you look at his track record (as pititful as it is) he has left black people in a WORSE position today then before he took office in Chicago. Thus, the ONLY reason black people could possibly be voting for him is RACE ONLY and in MARTIN LUTHER KING’s OWN WORDS this is RACISM at it’s core (not looking at the quality of one’s character but simply the color of one’s skin)
So yes, The DEMS HAVE DONE GONE RACIST and I will NEVER FORGET THIS….
ALL of my black friends agree, and the WORST thing of all is that the DEMS and the MSM allowed Rev. Wright to be excused as simply an example of BLACK RELIGION, when all he is BAD RELIGION…
GET OVER YOURSELF….NOTHING IS WORSE than the DEMOCRATIC PARTY THESE DAYS….NOT A GOD DAMN THING….
And I am as STRONG a Democrat (the OLD kind) as you could find….FIERCE but TRUTHFUL
I’m very serious in getting rid of corrupt democrats in congress. I do NOT believe I have to vote for a democrat to maintain their majority in Congress. If they’re serving the people, they have my vote, other than that, they better pack their freaking suitcase and go home!
#98 redraz9
That is a good answer and I respect your decision. Personally I also think it is immoral. But my democratic principles remind me that everyone should have the right to make their own decision. That is what is at risk. That is why this is so important to me.
John McCain does not think people should choose for themselves.
OMG, my head is spinning. Can’t take this chaos right now. Must be getting old! BBL
The notion of electing another Republican president and keeping a Democratic congress means 4 more years of nothing being done for the people. That is US!!
SORRY Texas Democrat but this is a flawed theory considering that the DEMOCRATIC congress has MORE power than the President in day to day dealings, the Democratic congress has stifled doing many things, especially addressing the gas crisis…OBAMA is NOT a leader, he was NOT in the SENATE, so how can he be NOW? You get a promotion to CEO after doing a dismal job as Secretary? NO….sorry, the WORLD doesn’t work like that…as for this being a debate board, its not…we are all on the same page, NO OBAMA 2009…..HRC 2012, with a refocus on continuing the mission…..
Now all the women wondering why Senator Obama passed over Senator Clinton, who won more than 18 million votes in the Democratic primary, to choose a man, in Senator Biden, who came nowhere close to the top of the field, can choose a candidate who isn’t afraid to have a woman as his running mate.
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I can’t wait for 2012 to vote for Hillary.
#85 TX Democrat
the dem party trashed Hillary’s policies and her too.
I am very excited!
What a difference a day makes.
There are plenty of Republicans who are for reproductive rights - Roe v Wade is not going away. This is just one issue of the party. They have to cater to the far right just as this Dem Party has to cater to the small number of liberal elite and others.
The worst thing the Democratic Party had done this year is playing race and sexist card. Over 50% of registered democrats are WOMEN.
MaxGrader:
” You are new to PUMA. Jennifer4hillary is a mainstay here. Get to know her better, okay? Please. Cool.”
If I have misread Jenns posts and intentions I appologize. My posting is new here but you have to keep in mind that I have been reading these posts for some time now.
I decided to start leaving posts when I nearly had a stroke reading some of the obvious GOP plants spreading their propoganda.
I appologize that my teapot has started to whistle and that is when my posts stopped being moderated.
I just haven’t swallowed the defeat Obama by supporting McCain!!
I voted McCain in 2000!
If it was McCain from 2000 we wouldn’t be having this discussion but John has forgotten who he is and where he comes from.
I have lost the faith!
I am an independant and vote with the candidates that most inspire me.
Maybe it’s not Obama. But it certainly isn’t McCain!
Palin better be good if I am going to betray the party that I was |–| this close to joining.
I hope they redeem themselves.
#117 (add to my post)
Moderate Dems and Repubs cross the isle all the time and vote for each other’s legislation if it suits their constituents’ needs, etc. It’s more important to get decent, honest people in office who are as close to our values as possible, than to go by party label alone. (JMHO)
MURPHY
What are you changing with the new party? Our goals or our independent status? I like the name Puma and I am not embarrassed to be known as a puma. don’t think it is irrelevant now.
It is just plain wrong to dismiss Palin as just a beauty queen. She’s earned the respect of Republicans while bucking the Republican establishment at the same time. Not a minor achievement! Nobama talks about reform - Palin does it. http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/weblogs/afb/archives/027011.html
As a Catholic and lifelong Dem (until a couple months ago - now Unaffiliated), I am thrilled that she can prove that being pro-women and pro-abortion are not identical. Feminism used to mean *nurturing* life!
I also appreciated Palin’s acknowledgement of Hillary and the 18 million cracks.
Looks like Mr Obama will be taking that Bridge to Nowhere.
#111 kasota
Don’t you believe it is over yet. ANY number of things can happen between now and November. I think we still have substantial work to do between now and November to get as much of the fraud info. out and make sure all the Attorney Generals in the states be aggressive about prosecutuons and ask them to prosecute the “leader” of the fraud, NOBO!!! The lawsuit is still in play re: nobo’s questionable Presidency. The Rezko stuff is still being investigated, which could bring out more info or maybe even charges against nobo.
I just feel in my gut and have felt from the very beginning that Hillary was going to win. Think I am nuts, but I have to go on my gut this time.
#111 kasota
Don’t you believe it is over yet. ANY number of things can happen between now and November. I think we still have substantial work to do between now and November to get as much of the fraud info. out and make sure all the Attorney Generals in the states be aggressive about prosecutuons and ask them to prosecute the “leader” of the fraud, NOBO!!! The lawsuit is still in play re: nobo’s questionable Presidency. The Rezko stuff is still being investigated, which could bring out more info or maybe even charges against nobo.
I just feel in my gut and have felt from the very beginning that Hillary was going to win. Think I am nuts, but I have to go on my gut this time.
Let’s get started. Please sign this petition
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/voterswill/
Tx Democrat is an OBOT…I am saying it and I will stand by it….in his/her heart they are an OBOT…
The Democrazed party and the CLINTONs are not in the same universe these days….not if you can THINK or SEE or UNDERSTAND
McCain and Palin are moderates, good people with good ideas, honest, ELECTED and ELECTABLE…..can’t say this about the BO/BI and I will NEVER forget BIDEN during the Anita Hill WITCH Hunt…he is just a hater who pretends just like the rest of the misogynists pretenders in the Democrazed party…
The NObama campaign is already dissing Sarah Palin for only being a mayor of a town of only 9000. This just underscores there extreme dislike for women and small towns. I live in a town on 5000.
Palin is the Governor of Alaska, BO, and as far as experience, she trounces you. Apples and oranges.
I just might NOT have to hold my nose and a barf bag when voting for McCain Nov. 4.
Way to go, John!
Please Go Vote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
HOWDY ALL!!!
BTW, Palin paid tribute to Gerrie Ferraro and Hillary Clinton, but not in a gushy, phony way.
I need to learn more about her, but so far, so good.
TX Dem. Let me try and explain to you why I can vote for someone who is pro life. At one time in my life being pro choice I would not have voted for anyone who wasn’t. But I have come to realize that there are many issues that are important! I personaly don’t think roe vs wade is going anywhere. Women have much more power then when I “wore a younger mans clothes”. I feel very strongly that Obama and his left wing of the party could and most likely well do great harm to this nation. This was not something that I didn’t think about long and hard. If you knew me you would be shocked to hear I am voting for McCain. I say McCain08
Hillary 2012.
#116 bruce55555
I feel like I have been swallowing one pill after another for the past 8 years.
I have not received a raise at work in 4 years. Neither have most of my co-workers.
The company I work for has been opening plants overseas and none in the US.
I have a college degree yet my husband makes in 1 day the amount of money I make in 1 week. I have to keep my job because we need the insurance. I feel like a slave that has to go to work every day just in case something happens and we need the insurance.
I want universal health care. If we had universal health care I would not have to spend my life in a job that I hate. I want a better life. I have been waiting 8 years for change. Now I am very afraid it is not going to happen.
I am speaking from my heart. I am not an Obot.
108 Anna7000~~~ Ditto!!!
Well, I think i’m starting to feel a bit better today, but whatever it is/was, it really knocked me down.
While i like the idea of a new party, intrinsically, I think we are rushing way too fast. What do we really risk by slowing down, giving it more and deeper thought, and waiting until the Conventions are over and we get down to the real nitty-gritty of the campaign?
Whatever her reasons may have been, from my perspective Hillary is out of the game. Maybe she will end up Speaker of the House or Senate, who knows?
Right now my focus is on keeping Obama out of the White house. Period. For the moment, we have a Democratic Congress so up/down ticket aren’t that relavant to me. First things first.
#133 Goninasimonejr on 08.29.08 at 2:46 pm
It is just plain wrong to dismiss Palin as just a beauty queen. She’s earned the respect of Republicans while bucking the Republican establishment at the same time. Not a minor achievement!
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I agree. Women are always (well, often) judged on their looks and then dismissed w/o regard for achievement. She’s no good because she’s “just a “beauty queen” or no good because she’s an “ugly b—.”
With McCain/Palin a vote I will uphold the truth and protect Bill Clinton’s legency of being the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT…until a Qualified Black President is election to run this great COUNTRY
Hi PUMAS!
I love the idea of the new party. I would love the name PUMA left, but I will live what I can have. PUMA is a very brave name.
McCain’s choice is brilliant. He shores up evangelicals while not alienating Hillary’s supporters.
I am very slow sometimes. I just realized how dirty Obama really is.
He humiliated Hillary and her female supporters left and right - we all know the stories. PUMA and other groups forced a roll call on them His revange was to MAKE HILLARY to give him the victory. When I looked at her on that evening, she seemed to be supported by the body of her people. They were standing so close, that if she weakens, she can’t fall.
Obama kissed Jill Biden on the lips. It is like a public rape. It was uninvited and she could do nothing about it. She had to smile.
Obama doesn’t disrespect women. He hates them passionately.
I sure hope he will be locked up for a very long time for what is still in his closet.
Now all the women wondering why Senator Obama passed over Senator Clinton, who won more than 18 million votes in the Democratic primary, to choose a man, in Senator Biden, who came nowhere close to the top of the field, can choose a candidate who isn’t afraid to have a woman as his running mate.
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Its simple JOHN, Obama is using WORDS…he was NEVER serious about his “change” message…and DID you not see how spiteful Michelle Obama’s face was the entire time HRC was talking? She looked like a JEALOUS school girl! She was different when Bill was speaking, it doesn’t take a Psychologist to see that the “unity” between the Obama’s and Clinton’s was a FRONT of monumental proportions! Hillary I KNOW deep down is looking forward to it going SOUTH so she can casually say: HUH, I wonder WHY my SUPPORTERS didn’t fall in line! THIS is not over for HRC by a LONG SHOT, she will run again in 2012, and WIN what was stolen from her!
Palin is great! She is a real rabble rouser against Special Interests, including the OIL COMPANIES!
Joe Biden is old Washington Status Quo….contrary to Obama’s “change” message which is as old and worn as a dirty shirt by now….
I am looking forward to McCain and Palin mopping the floor with the monkey’s of the DNC…and hopefully, Palosi and Howard and Obama will SHUT UP and RECOGNIZE you DO not disenfranchise 18 MILLION plus people!
TOO bad, he could have stepped outside his PRIDE and SELECTED HRC…but he didn’t because he KNOWS she has his number and would call him to task on his lies and flip flops, that was not a chance he could take!
#132 BigCatLover
I assume you were not in Denver, and If so, I apologize.
But after being there, talking to people, rallying, talking to Hillary delegates and the ignorance of the delegates it made me (and still does) VERY proud to be a PUMA!! WE have more work for two more months, then I am going to take a break. But our fight is stronger and better than ever right now.
if I am wrong I will leave but I dont think feeling great for a woman breaking another ceiling needs to be a constant put down either
#138 “their” not “there”
BO is a sexist elitist, no 2 ways about it.
http://freepress.net/node/41031
Hey, everyone. Can’t do much but flit by, but I did read some of the comments and read the posts by Murphy. Okay, first, hey Drac! I don’t get to see you much and always love to.
Second, as a lawyer, please let me tell you all who are worrying about Roe v. Wade to stop. Roberts already has made clear that the Supremes are not going to taking certiorari on anything to overturn it.
Third, just learning about Palin. Impressive. But I still can’t see myself voting McCain. Nonetheless, I can’t imagine voting for Obama. I am still chanting in my mind Hillary 08 Hillary 08 Hillary 08.
Asian4Hillary, I can relate to you about corrupt Democrats. I am in Florida!! I think that is what Murphy meant about voting down ticket for “good” dems.
Murphy, great article from Mass that you linked earlier. Yes, I could not believe the unanimous support for Obama from Mass or New Hampshire.
Love to all . . . please continue to keep New Orleans and the entire Gulf Coast in your thoughts and prayers. Gustav will come to us over the holiday weekend, Hanna is goofing around in the Caribbean, and another wave is brewing off Cape Verde. We are in for a tough hurricane season, I fear.
#107 TxDem,
Get this about your “nothing gets done in Washington” line. That’s actually a GOOD thing.
When you think about it objectively that’s EXACTLY what went on during the Clinton years.
While the Republicans were more interested in impeaching Bill out of office by concentrating on his personal life than on country matters America moved right along ON ITS OWN and prospered better than ever before in my lifetime. The Congress did absolutely nothing to help America back then.
It reenforced the belief that the least amount of government is best.
I am concerned with the timing of the development of a third party. I think it is a great idea, and we need a third viable party. Partisanship has got this country stuck at a stand still.
BUT, it is 67 days until the election. In many states you have to file an objection or challenge to a presidential candidate’s eligibility to run for office within 60 days. That leaves only one week to the day.
If we could even convince one Secretary of State to formally challenge him, we could possibly force him to resign based on the findings. This would force the party to pick a new candidate, and they would have to pick Hillary or face all out anarchy from the party.
Couldn’t the new party-thing wait one week so we could try to get him investigated?
see ya all leter
Well, this is just fantastic news, Murphy. First, let me explain my rationale for voting for McCain/Palin. At first I was just voting McCain as a protest vote, as many of us were. I don’t find him totally without merit-I think he is a good man and a reasonable man. I have heard him speak and he is very unpretentious and down to earth. I like that as compared with Mr. Narcisissm Rock Star personified. I find people like Obama just get people riled up and have little or no substance–that is dangerous. Now that McCain has chosen Palin, I think it is a very exciting ticket. I don’t necessarily share all of her values, but I think she is an honest, straight talking, ethical woman and I am very pleased at this development. It makes it much easier for me to vote for McCain. The strategy is to teach the DNC a lesson–corruption and sexism are unacceptable. Also there is an essential aspect of our democratic doctrines that says “no taxation without representation”. We were not represented by the DNC even if we voted. So if Obama gets elected, maybe we won’t have to pay taxes! Maybe we can even pursue that tact now! I digress. As I understand it, this is phase one of the strategy. While we are sticking it to the DNC in the election we simultaneously investigate the corruption, weed out the dirty politicians and frauds, throw the bums out of office, prosecute, if appropriate, and establish our new party. The new party will embody traditional uncorrupted democratic values as Murphy has outlined. Voila! Anyway, that is my thinking about and interpetation our mission. Perhaps it is not Murphy’s but I think we are on a similar mission.
Interesting that neither McCain nor Palin once mentioned BO or Biden. Last Saturday, at his unveiling, Biden lit into McCain. Last night, BO mocked McCain.
Is this the “New” Politics?…Change we can believe in?
diva2
Good to see you back. I believe it was you who posted a day or two ago (time flies) that you had a conversation with one of Hillary’s delegates on public transportation and she said that she did not get pressure from BO camp to change her vote. Unless I missed your reply to my question ‘what State was she from?’ could you please tell me now. Thanks
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Everybody must stop and take a deep breath.
Everybody must be kind to each other.
Everybody must not accuse.
Everybody must allow for differences of opinion.
Do not accuse or insult each other.
You must be civil when you disagree.
Anybody who has a problem or wants to question or criticize, email me at MamaPumaMass @aol.com.
Do not put those thoughts on the blog. Only issues get discussed here - not other PUMAs.
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Whoa, thought there was to be no sexism on the blog? What’s this about Palin being “just a beauty queen” and why is jane-pa feeling like leaving?
Palin is very impressive if you look at her record and how she became Governor. Don’t hold against her an immutable characteristic - right, as Kelly whatshername used to say, “don’t hate [her] because she’s beautiful.”
They had expected a 15 point bounce after the convention, and I think after today with McCain = it will go the other way before the Republican convention
Dean and Pelosi played like a piano.
Gallup Daily: Obama Stretches Lead to 8 Points
Lead one of largest in campaign
Post Attempt # 8, #9, #10 #11
143 TX democrat
and you think NObama will deliver?
He has “zero” accomplishments.
Trashing Hillary is his only accomplishment.
He does not deserve my vote. Please stop now.
Hillary in ‘08 or ‘12 for sure.
*** #155 lisa on 08.29.08 at 2:54 pm ***
hey lisa. i looked for you yesterday but didn’t see you. was thinking the same thing but NEED jbjd’s help. you know her, don’t you?
Thanks, Mama.
Let’s not forget Mama is watching.
136 goandersen
Read the petition. I would like to discuss the pros and cons of same day registration before I sign it.
Lisa,
Murphy’s plan for the new party can work just fine for Hillary or any other future candidate.
The goal is to stay together, give a home to the revolting democrats until it gets better. We can stay informed and organized. Brilliant.
I like the platform. It is exactly what we need.
#154 maxgrader
You make a very good point. But there are things that need to get done in Washington. Universal health care is long overdue.
I don’t know about everyone else here but me and my husband have seen the money we put into 401k evaporate over the past year. And privatizing social security is just that. Rolling the dice. And when the economy tanks we lose everything.
So now we have to keep our money where it is and hope and pray that it goes up. McCain wants to force everyone into this situation.
Hey Dragonfly - YOU are always inspiring to me - now I have to fly
Drac
#166 alohapuma
Forgot to footnote that post. I am researching as well.
We have legislation coming up here in CA regarding redistricting on the Nov. ballot.
I want universal health care. If we had universal health care I would not have to spend my life in a job that I hate. I want a better life. I have been waiting 8 years for change. Now I am very afraid it is not going to happen.
DID you KNOW Obama is saying you will GET a 2,500 dollar tax credit AGAINST YOUR INSURANCE….
You will have to have spent 2,500 out of POCKET just to get the reimbursment….WE will NOT get universal health care, its NOT going to happen with the deficit, and it would take YEARS to get it up and running, the INSURANCE LOBBY will FIGHT this TOOTH and TOENAIL!
DON’T be SOLD a UTOPIA that DOESN’T EXIST!
Universal Healthcare has been talked about for over 40 years…it is STILL not happening…
2,500 dollar tax credit is about what the child tax credit is…that is all, that is a FAR cry from UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE!
WITH Universal Healthcare, you are assigned a DOCTOR, that would make all private physicans a thing of the past, all doctors would be government employed.
ANYTHING that is elective would be on a waiting list for 6 months or longer, I think you need to look at Mexico’s system, they have socialized or universal medicine, many people come here from Mexico for healthcare!
“She think she Annie Oakley” Oblahma and crew are scared to death.
LOL!
#158 DORIA!
That is an excellent point!
I didn’t even think of that, but you are right!
155 lisa~~ That is the most sensible thing I’ve read yet. And probably the most possible strategy we have.
#143 TX Democrat
I can feel your pain, but it saddens me that you think the man who used all of Hillary’s idea’s as his own is going to give you what you want.
Universal Healthcare is not necesarrily a good thing. Our government is too corrupt to run it and that is on both sides of the isle. I have seen it in several places, first hand, and it is never pretty and it never works.
Yes, everyone needs healthcare, but not government run healthcare.
160 MamaPuma
Love you mama, even more after meeting you then I did before.
You are the calm voice of reason, kindness and intelligence. Great job as a mom. Kudos to you and Murphy.
Murphy,
Is there a chance that this blog can be organized as it is at NoQuarter? It is much easier to read and keep the relevant comments toghether.
I know, it is asking too much…..
Social Security is almost bankrupt, why FORCE anyone to continue to pay into a system that is failing and NOT going to be there! I would rather decide HOW to create my retirement than depend on a system that is drying up daily!
SOCIAL SECURITY is NO safety net for the future people! Not our future or that of our children!
I didn’t vote for HRC just because she is a woman. There were many women who did, so this move my McCain will bring them over to his side.
I am not a follower and will remain undecided about my vote in November. Oblahblah will never get my vote.
*** #155 lisa on 08.29.08 at 2:54 pm ***
SORRY LISA. YOU DON’T KNOW jbjd.
IT WAS SOMEBODY ELSE.
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
jody in florida
HI! I have been off for a couple of days. I came and looked here and thought it wasn’t a conversation I wanted to jump into! thought I would wait for things to calm down.
jbjd doesn’t have time to pursue this legally herself right now, but since we a word document of info she wrote on it. Basically though, the most efficient way to pursue this is that people have to contact their own Secretary of State. The SofS has the ability to request the candidate provide proof of eligibilty. This means that we each have to work with OUR OWN state, and send enough info to convince the SofS that we aren’t just crazy crackpots listening to blog rumours. Also, each state is different about when the cutoff is for contesting a candidate. jbjd told me to look into my own state, but she is forgetting that since I am not a lawyer I don’t have access to lexis/nexus and I can’t look up state laws from my computer. My husband suggested I try the website http://www.findlaw.com or maybe it is findlaw.org. I haven’t had a chance to do that yet.
Pretjene,
Social Security was secured by Bill Clinton. Only Bush spent the money on the war. It can be secured again. We need a law against the government raiding our retirement fund and to pay back what was taken out.
#136 goandersen hey welcome back
#166 alohapuma and #132 BigCatLover I agree and I am a little confused. I did receive the email and went to click on it to see more about it and it said something about error or something try again.
#149 diva2
You must have misread my post. I’m asking Murphy to keep the puma name. I’m proud of it too. But she has not answered me again, so I still have questions.
LISA and JODY in FLORIDA - what is happening to the Sec of State thing - I think jbjd has given up on it - I have an old computer and an old browser - tried to get onto the McCain site but could not blog - so I sent a comment to them that went nowhere - if either of YOU can get onto that site and quote what we were told before - it is now IN THEIR best interest to get at least one Secretary of State to ban him from their ballot and he is toast - but I think its time that we let the Republicans help out on that one especially those SOS that are Republicans - they would defintely be more adapt at doing that - some ask for birth certificates from what I have been told - can either do that - I tried. I think we have 48 hours after his acceptance to do it - which would be tomorrow but who works on Saturday SOS.
#153 Dragonfly
Were you in Denver. I DO know there was NO unanimous support but there was plenty of coercion support. AND it was horrendous coercion. To my knowledge, I still haven’t confirmed whether or not the “written” votes that were taken in the delegate meetings (not on the floor like they SHOULD have been) had any chain of custody. Between the time they left the delegation meetings and got to Obama counters ANYTHING could have happened to those votes. WE also don’t know who ACTUALLY won. I believe Senator Clinton won, but that is my opinion.
#168 TX Democrat
I respect your concerns about your retirement and social security. If it is any reassurance (and I am not voting McCain), my review of his stance from ontheissues.org indicates that he w