Yes — the DNC is most definitely in Panic Mode.
The Palin Choice is turning into a stunner for Howard and Obama.
Let’s not panic here. There isnt any need for it. We are thinking, articulate adults.
I dont care if you call yourself a Democrat, a Republican, an Independent, a New Democrat, or a Polka-Dotted Peruvian Panda.
We are all PUMAS! That means 3 things:
1. We will NOT vote for Barack Obama for President
2. We will vote on Nov 4
3. We will work to reclaim OUR party — the DEMOCRATIC Party.
The danger for Democrats today — a disaster that the DONC is finally waking up to — is that our UNITY AS VOTERS will not only be fractured but actually be permanently lost.
Yesterday the Democratic Party was divided. Today it is in disarray.
The Puma Movement is NOT in disarray. We are united in our goals:
1. No Obama for President
2. No more Howard or the other Architects of this FIASCO at the DNC
3. Support Good Guy Dems
Today is a tumultuous day. Don’t be afraid of a little disorder. It is inevitable — the McCain Camp just pulled a brilliant tactical move and we need to regroup. But as we do so, we must remain united.
Welcome new members! Join US!
Dont shoot the new members before even saying Hello to them. Be wonderful to each other.
This is an interview that’s running tonight on New England Cable News
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posting from downstairs – reminder
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/roe-vs-wade-obamas-ace-in-the-hole/
yeeeeee hawwwwww !
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Murphy, marylandpuma, mamapuma, Thank you for keeping us PUMAS together. We will always be a PUMA. Everyone have a safe and great Holliday weekend.
I am thrilled with McCains move….I feel a bit tenuous about her abilities….. iam exciited that another woman is on the scene….I am looking forward to getting to know about her……I do not like some things she stands for ……time will tell me
You were great on Hardball, Murphy!
Yes, we are all Dems. Glad you got the down ticket message out. NOT voting for Ob is as important as NOT voting for McCain! The Reps want us to come slinking to their side with the clever pick of Palin, but we can see throught it.
OUT OF CRISIS COMES OPPORTUNITY
DNC is worse than disarray, they don’t know if they’re coming or going, they’re biting their elbows though, SERVES THEM RIGHT! They thought by shafting Hillary all of us will take it lying down. They were so wrong, FREAKING WRONG!
Don’t forget to vote GOOD DEMS back to office, CORRUPT ones send them back home !
Oh, I missed Hardball. Husband bought a new car today. Does anyone have a link?
Will be back later, am watching the U.S. Open.
Thank you for the laugh, whoever said it downstairs, about Campbell Brown of CNN likening Obama’s event last night to WOODSTOCK.
OH. MY. GOD.
Get these media babies off the air and gimme some real people for a change, people who understand history, at the very least.
THAT is also what puma can do — revolutionize the mainstream media. So much of what happened with this campaign is due to them.
America is waking up. And as Martha Stewart likes to say, “That’s a GOOD THING.”
(hee hee, sorry, just had to throw that in there. )
#3 TexasTigress:
You left your “E” downstairs.
#6 virginia.puma I never wanted McCain to pick a woman, as I’ve said before, that means if McCain wins he’ll probably be too old to run again and Palin will run against Hillary. I can’t go thru this agony again. What will we have, woman against woman? I hope if McCain gets in that he and Palin will do a lousy job and we can have our Hillary back in 2012
If you have not voted here yet (as posted earlier) please do so. http://news.aol.com/elections don’t forget there is one on the side too asking if BO did his job last nite at convention (on right hand side)
When non-Pumas ask you what is a Puma or what does it mean; Murphy phrased is succinctly and her answer should be posted daily, so we can read it daily!
We are all PUMAS! That means 3 things:
1. We will NOT vote for Barack Obama for President
2. We will vote on Nov 4
3. We will work to reclaim OUR party — the DEMOCRATIC Party.
Reposted from downstairs:
Anna7000:
Tucker Carlson used to have his own one hour show on MSNBC 6 pm ET but he was replaced by David Gregory’s Race to the White House a few months ago. He is now a political correspondent for MSNBC and comes on shows once in a while. He works for some online blog, is a libertarian and loves Ron Paul.
Chris Matthews is on MSNBC.
12 wontbackdown – Curses to you WOMAN !!!!!! DRAT !
Good Evening All…. thank you for all you did, all you do, and all you will do!!!… I can’t stay, but I wantttttttttt so very much to say… follow the lead of the founder of this blog…… and i will see you later… Love You all… each and everyone of you for your brilliant minds and dedication to the cause of HIllary and now the reform of OUR Democratic party!!
Murphy u did great tonite, I think you left all three of them with there mouths hanging open, I swear to god I think they expect anyone who opposes them to be brainless and what you said was very smart, intelligent and proved your a democrat (which we all knew) who loves her country and is scared for the dem party and it left there mouths open and dry.
Personally~ I don’t think my well thought out vote for McCain is slinking.
Hardball should be repeating – NOW
Thanks, Hillmania! Much appreciated!
ladyhawkke
I’d rather see a woman run against Hillary than another man. Two women running for prez, I’m salivating.
Murphy: I caught the last minute of the Matthews show and you looked and sounded great. I tivo’d it though and am going to watch the first part now.
Proud to be a PUMA.
Goodnight everyone.
Hardball on now EST, Dem strategist tried to paint her with corruption of Stevens and Mathews slammed him.
Ladyhawke ~ I agree. I don’t think she could hold up against Hillary. I want Obama out, I want Hill in in 2012. Period. And to do that I will be voting for McCain this time.
(((( BMW ))))))
This is a beautiful news about Palin’s parents.
http://news.aol.com/elections/article/palins-parents-surprised-by-vp-nod/153454
Hardball repeating – Murphy on in a couple of minutes.
WBD – sleep well !!
REPOST FROM END OF PRIOR THREAD:
bmw60 – interesting caucus story. i’d like to know what the woman DID about what she witnessed? did she report it? is there any documentation or record of it? without that, such tales can’t be elevated to anything substantial, which is a bummer. let me know if you know if she reported what she presumably witnessed. thanks.
Per a few notes at the top of murphy’s thread 2 threads back (which feels like a lifetime ago, but was only earlier today, geez!):
“Entire state delegations were brow-beaten into voting Present or Passing their votes to other states.” Murphy, or anyone, can you elaborate more specifically to translate this emotional language into more fact-based evidence so I can incorporate it into what I’m working on?
Can someone please post the link of Murphy on Hardball for those of us who missed it. thanks!
Murphy thanks for making the point on hardball about the dems losing a 16 year run of the white house. I have not hear alot of people talk about that. Hope it got some people thinking!
#15 TerryDo hey long time no see how you have you been.
anna , did you ever find out who Tucker is ? I don’t want to give you info you may already have – I know you get a lot to sift through ….
US Open Rain Delay. Fox, Sarah Palin was out caribou hunting with her husband when she got call from McCain. That does it, she kills animals!!
#10 ladyhawkke on 08.29.08 at 7:39 pm
sorry this site interrupted your activities today. I had to work but I went off singing like I was in Singing in the Rain, and dancing like Gene Kelley with McCain’s pick.
Listen, the only way they will allow Hillary to run in 2012 is if there is a woman on the other ticket. I have no problem with Hillary running against Palin in 12. It is never a sure thing, let’s just keep BO out and let the chips fall where they may. This is not an easy vote for any of us, but change, real change is never easy.
msnbc – Murphy – now
Anne7
Tucker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucker_Carlson
#37 ladyhawkke on 08.29.08 at 7:51 pm
shouldn’t you keep your eyes on your new car?
cows and chickens are killed for us to eat, men and women go fishing
that was a quick decision
Why do stupid political pundits keep talking about Palin’s experience? Uh just b/c Nobama has been running for President for over 2 yrs doesn’t make him experienced. She has more than him in that she governs a state. Plus, she’s running for VP not President. I think the person running for Pres should have more experience that his/her VP but I guess that goes over Obots’ and MSM heads.
Thanks, all. I did get the info on Tucker and Matthews.
McCain and Palin will trample the Constitution, assault the middle class, and plunge the world into a second Cold War.
…and by not voting for NObama in November, PUMAs are helping get them elected to do it.
We are teach the DNC a lesson it will NEVER FORGET. They DESERVE THIS. We will show them. The country will suffer through the injustices of another GOP administration. DON’T BLAME US BLAME THE DNC.
43 Sisterluck chuckle
ANOTHER GREAT INTERVIEW, DARRAGH!!
Thanks for posting it at the top.
Ergot4Hill obama if I am not mistaken voted for fisa also. The one who didnt is out! So we may be in for some trampling either way.
#42 LOL Hillaryhead. It’s not my new car, it’s my husbands. I don’t eat cows and I do eat chicken. Fishing is o.k. but I love the caribou. And I don’t like aerial killing of wolves which goes on in AK and WY. I donate a lot to Defenders of Wildlife and I work with protecting feral cats in my city. I have rescued baby kittens, bathed them, taken them to the vet and then adopted them out. Besides, cars are material things and don’t mean much to me. If you’re happy with Palin, I’m happy for you.
Did anyone see Oprah’s reaction to The One’s speech? She said she cried her eyelashes off and would not shut up about how great his speech was. Barf.
Although I don’t agree with all of Palin’s positions, I respect the fact that being Pro Life, she gave birth to a down syndrome child, knowing the situation ahead of time. She also worked to end the corruption in the Alaskan government. I feel confident that she is trustworthy and strong in her ability to govern. It’s more than we’ve gotten from Obama or the democrats in charge of the DNC. The democrats can talk all they want about her lack of experience. That’s “the pot calling the kettle black.” Oops, sorry. (you have to be sooo careful how you phrase things these days!)
Just watched TiVo’d hardball.
Matthews even used his indoor voice a couple of times.
That was sweet of him.
Murphy did a great job. Kudos.
Off for the weekend. Won’t be able to read the posts for the first time since last Friday. it will be interesting to see what the consensus is when I get back.
Best of,
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Reposting from downstairs—I feel this urgency deep in my guts—
Agree, Kelligesq—We are up against a massive tsunami of BO voters being registered daily. We don’t have time to fine tune or cherry pick voting choices. This has to go down, and our action has to be PROFOUND.
Wore a orange melon color top today at work, driving my car with 18 million , around
JustSayNoDeal.com spelled out on back windshield
Hillary in 08 a puma picture pumas, on back of trunk
and NO OBAMA on bottom of bumper
two 16 year old kids were yelling at me, I stopped, got out of my car, walked up to them, said excuse me, he repeated “you’re for no obama?” “you’re for splitting the party” I replied that I did not harass him for driving around with whatever he wanted on his bumper. He persisted, then I let some cuss words fly and told him to get lost and shut his mouth. he drove off with his tail tucked behind him. at least he was courageous enough to talk to me (although he had his buddy with him)
I have had people yell or do a thumbs down, then rush off without saying anything. COWWWWARDS
Just saw Murphy on Hardball! Way to go Murph and thanks for reminding us of our mission. Sometimes it gets lost with so much emotion. No Obama, No Dean!
I don’t want to “punish” the DNC (whatever that really means since in trying to “punish” them, I may well punish myself, as well). I want to reform it. I don’t want to engage in relentlessly emotional discourse where unsubstantiated accusations fly and the fires are stoked, but often without substance. As far as I’m concerned, the DNC screwed up royally, I don’t agree with Republican values for the most part. For me, the situation is complex and worthy of careful thought, not a knee jerk reaction. I will not be voting for Obama. But, I see nothing on this blog I can latch onto. Perhaps things will settle down and some organization will unfold. Until then, I gotta check out for a while.
Is the radio show on?
For all the pumas who are worried about the wildlife and the environment, that is a fight that must forever be waged because big money wants them gone. It will be fought by outside groups because insiders (yes all of them) are owned by big money. I’ve been part of that fight for 30 years (20 with the Columbus Zoo) and I know from experience that govt won’t do it. Even when the make strides (the endangered species act), the next day they are amending and making exceptions to it. Keep funding the organizations that make it their mission to fight and make them stronger. Don’t expect govt to do it, it’s too frustrating.
Anna7000:
You are great. I keep trying to leave but I love reading your posts.
Check out. You deserve it.
#53 Lin4Hill on 08.29.08 at 8:05 pm
Reposting from downstairs—I feel this urgency deep in my guts—
Agree, Kelligesq—We are up against a massive tsunami of BO voters being registered daily.
There is no evidence to substantiate this claim. A third of the electorate already probably registered have not made up their minds. 1/3 of electoral votes are UNDECIDED. What you put forth is air not facts
anna , I respect your need to make very thoughtful , personal decisions . I believe we will be on track soon and we will be doing many more great things so don’t stray to far , we need you
Hello PUMA friends,
I’m taking a break from preparing for Gustav to drink a Corona. Cheers!! Need to calm my nerves.
Dang, looks like I missed some fireworks on here today. I don’t have time to read all but I do have a few thoughts.
First comment~
#25 StealingHistoryFromHillary said ~
“we need a firm stance against the republicans that have infiltrated this blog.”
I’m a Republican that is pro Hillary, anti-Obama and a supporter of McCain. I’m not here to try to get anyone to switch to the Republican side or to debate issues. I believe that Hillary wasn’t treated fairly by the democratic machine.
Not sure who said this earlier “I don’t see that happening: i.e. huge shift of people to Republicans.”
I totally agree with this and here’s why ….
IMO, in spite of how upset many PUMA Democrats are, in spite of what is said on this blog, in the end on election day Obama will be their choice. I say this not to upset anyone here, I say that because this is what the statistics through history have shown.
Most Democrats and Republicans will vote party line in the end … sure there are some that will kick and scream the whole way there but they end up doing it. I hope I’m wrong because I would love for you all to help McCain become POTUS. I just think that in the end most won’t be able to pull the lever.
#71 TX Democrat said ~
“I would like to hear other peoples response. How do you support reproductive rights AND vote for someone who says they want Roe v. Wade overturned. Anyone dare to answer that?”
This is a very good question. As a pro-life peep, I have a hard time voting for a pro-choice person but I’m not a single issue voter and I don’t think most people are. This will be a big deal for many Democrats and I understand that even if I don’t agree with the position. I was pro-choice for many years so I’ve been on both sides of the issue.
#102 zombiefortruth said ~
“I challenge that there should be a full investigation of every American that has a “Net Worth” of over 100 million dollars This investigation and audit should be conducted and comprised of citizens that are gathered in a “jury like” fashion and their own individual “Net worth/s” shall not exceed 1 million dollars or they are exempt from serving on the investigative commission.”
Um, this kind of rhetoric is scary. Can we say Communism??!!! It’s this kind of far leftist thinking that makes Republicans call liberals “moonbats”. Sorry, but true.
Anyway, I hope I’m still welcome here even though I’m an eviiillllle Republican.
#56 Anna7000 on 08.29.08 at 8:06 pm
Have a good time
Mick yes you are welcome
#910 Kelligesq on 08.29.08 at 7:56 pm We need a viable third party with candidates and there has never been an opportunity like this one to gather the 18 million or what’s left of them, and organize it.
Next, I went down to Supervisor of Elections today to turn in my precinct laptop. And guess what he told me? NEW REGISTRATIONS ARE COMING IN LIKE MAD.
OBAMA’S NEW REGISTRATIONS. since the local elections on Tuesday, and this is Friday, they have had 500 new registrations – and this is just one office in the county. And just one county in Battleground State Florida.
We have to get busy people. And get the word out about writing in, not writing in, or making it McCain.,
personally – in person handing out flyers why we are voting for McCain.
Another thing – if we are going to clean out the dem party we cant worry about having a dem congress. This dem congress we elected with Nancy, Hoyer, Clyburn and the rest of the coup group didnt do one thing we elected them to.
If you’re going to vote McCain , you’re going to have to lobby him to pay attention to your issues and lead his party that way.
If you are going to help the democratic party to implode, we cant hold back.
this isn’t payback for Hillary. It’s payback and cleanup for being CORRUPT.
So what’s our mission? For me, that’s the mission.
K.
Party Unity My ARSE
The question shouldn’t be where does life begin, but where does it end.
Obviously, a life has started it’s journey in becoming a human being at conception. An abortion stops the process before a complete human being is formed and is ready to be removed from the woman’s umbilical cord. That is where life ends. It can be by choice or miscarriage.
Life ends in many other ways as well after birth. Disease, accidents, war, old age or heinous acts by another human are some examples. The diference in the ending of life by pro choicers and their counterparts is that the abortion of a yet completed human is by choice while other forms of death can be attributed to fate or God’s will.
Best choice I know of that is perfectly acceptable to a civil society is… to think before you love. Be prepared finacially and emotionally before being faced with an ambiguous situation. Don’t let a moment of passion override your ability to reason. Then there can be no regrets and no difficult choices necessary.
Because the human species is not like an animal programmed to reproduce a woman can choose when the time is right to bring a life into this world.
There are exceptions to every rule, of course. But for the general issue of abortion I think it applies mainly to capable men and women with the ability to restrain themselves from natural desires.
Where does life end? That is the question. Surely it can’t end by choice. Not even suicide is considered an acceptable choice to the ending of life.
It seems we are all a little shell shocked. Some of us hoped the DNC would do the right thing and Hillary would be the nomine. Well things did not work out that way and now we have some serious choices to consider. The reality is too much for some I know. Voting for a Republican never really sank in. For the rest of us this is where the true fight begins. I understand those who cannot, but please, to the rest we need to stay focused. Keep our eyes on 2012.
#56 Anna7000
Please don’t check out for too long. I feel the same way you do, and look here for a glimpse of those who feel the same way.
#62 mick on 08.29.08 at 8:09 pm
“Not sure who said this earlier “I don’t see that happening: i.e. huge shift of people to Republicans.”
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I said that earlier, but I think you misinterpreted me. What I meant was that many WOULD shift to the Republican side to vote for McCain this election, but I found it unlikely they would suddenly become full-fledged Repubicans.
They’ll vote Republican this election. But they will probably keep most, if not all, of their Democratic views. This could change depending on how the Democratic Party behaves in the next several months/years and how the Republican Party evolves with McCain in charge. They may return to the Democratic Party later on if it reforms itself, or they may fully embrace the Republicans. It depends on what happens in the days/weeks/months/years ahead.
I am fortunately past the age of being able to get pregnant. The itsy bitsy possibility of ROEvWade being overturned does not affect me like it did when I could get pregant.
Its a young woman’s fight. If all the republican women, fathers and mothers of republican women, and all of the independents’ wives and daughters, of baby bearing age want abortion outlawed federally, not on a state to state basis, they will ensure it.
However, if R v W IS overturned, there will be a bigger revolution than 1776, to be sure.
Hanging reproductive rights, abortion rights, around women’s necks by misygonist (men for the most part) dems, “journalists”, pundits, syndicated columnists, etc., etc., is oxymoronic.
#67 maxgrader -
Please don’t start with the “pro-life” speech. Everyone is “pro-life” and no one wants to choose an abortion. It is a private matter, and the reality is that people can choose whatever is best for them. That is why it is called “pro choice”.
I wish the govt. would stay out of a matter that is private, between a female and her doctor. But it’s just their way of trying to control females…
‘nuf said.
#60 – “air–not facts” ?
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Goodbye
#51kp26 I agree with you. Obama has no solutions and whatever Palin has been doing in AK, it’s been going on with corrupt Ted Stevens. by the way, was he re-elected or not? Anyway, my whole plan is to stop BO and I’l probably have to hold my nose!
Besides, Obama is only 1 out of 99 senators who voted against the born alive act. Obama is for infanticide!! Worse than killing caribous, which by the way is fine if you’re eating them.
#70 BrooklynNY on 08.29.08 at 8:18 pm
Oh, well then I guess I don’t agree. LOL I really think that in spite of the anger, the fraud, the protest, the words of “No Way, No How, NObama,” I think that in the end many, (not all), will still vote Democratic. I mean no disrespect, I’m just saying what history has shown.
718 lorelai
It’s a done deal then – if the Jewish World Review is favorable to Palin, I know who my pals in the senior complexes will vote for.
They do vote in blocks, they talk (not much else to do) and they’re active.
Another thing for NObama to worry about.
Florida voted Hillary in the primaries, but, we all know what happened.
60 hillaryhead
There is no evidence to substantiate this claim. A third of the electorate already probably registered have not made up their minds. 1/3 of electoral votes are UNDECIDED. What you put forth is air not facts
please substantiate your facts. as a deputy registrar of voters in my state, a volunteer who assists in registering peeps,( and i declined to participate in the walks, etc because i knew where the outcome would lead) the Get Out The Vote (GOTV) is the obama mantra. do the research and then come back with a link.
and roe vs wade will not be overturned – before that court case there where states that had already enacted a woman’s right to her privacy. roe vs. wade has its’ roots in ALL of OUR rights to privacy regarding way more than abortion. check out wikipedia for the simplist explanation.
What’s with all this worry about Hillary running against Palin in 2012? Hillary is tough and can run against anyone. I think she would love running against a woman. It would be about issues, not about gender.
#67maxgrader I would never get an abortion but I support a woman’s right to choose. That is exactly Hillary’s position. Now as far as abortions are concerned and also contraceptives which Bush quit giving to third world countries because he is sooooo pro-life, what about those poor people that can’t afford to take of their children? Are you going to pay for their upbringing? Sometimes people have to make hard choices in order to keep on going. I don’t condemn anyone for doing what is right in their particular situation.
Hillaryhead…I had to laugh when you said roe v wade is a young woman’s issue. A friend of mine visiting from Roanoke is about 70 and I around 60 and we were walking on the Mall in DC sharing some Native Indian Dances at the folk life festival. Two very young women came up to us with papers in hand and asked if we would sign this petition to ensure roe v wade was no overturned. So intense. And then they looked at us and asked if we wanted them to explain what roe v wade was about…………………………………… They had NO
IDEA what women, what WE women back then, who were activists on the ground then….remember the 60s, went through to get Roe v Wade passed.
BrooklynNY
I’ve calmed down over the past hour but I am still very uneasy about the Palin pick. I think it shows poor judgement by McCain. It seems very much like a gimmick.
And it doesn’t seem fair that Palin should get so much fanfare. The same goes with Ferraro.
Hillary worked incredibly hard campaigning and debating and she earned 18 million votes. Palin was selected as a gimmick.
There is no comparison.
Ferraro just mentioned PUMAS on O’Reilly!!
#74 ladyhawkke on 08.29.08 at 8:23 pm
I love caribou meat especially caribou sausage. I prefer it than moose. I’ve cleaned quite a few of them when I was in Alaska. Winter time is hard in winter, people go hunting to have meat in the freezer during winter time and can salmon during summer.
Just heard the stupidest thing possible -big O cried her eyelashes off from bo’s speech – why – was the plagarism of Hillary’s speeches too much for her?
GOOD JOB MURPHY ON HARDBALL!! YOU SPOKE EXACTLY THE WAY I FEEL.
THANKS FOR EVERYTHING!!
PUMA 08
I believe that when McCain and Palin win the White House, they will work hard to address the issues that make abortion a perceived necessity.
When we can eliminate or reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, it will be a win for people on both sides of the abortion issue.
Go vote on Bill O show
#75 mick on 08.29.08 at 8:25 pm
Hmmm…..I hope you’re wrong.
It’s so hard to predict what will happen this fall. I know I won’t change in my view. I’ll be against BO, for McCain/Palin, right to the bitter end.This cycle though it wouldn’t surprise if the anti-BO sentiment increases, rather than diminishes by Nov. There are so many unique things going on this year, it’s just impossible (to me anyway) to use the past to predict the future this time around.
I would love to see Hillary against Palin in 2012, Hillary will get my vote!
Right now my focus is to defeat NObama.
Right now I am more concerned about 2008 than I am 2012.
#81 4Hillary
Palin was not a gimmick pick. McCain fires up his base along with respecting women and their accomplishments. It was a bold, maverick move. Nobama made the lame safe move with his pick and highlighted his no experience in doing it. I suggest people do their research on Palin before bashing her as just another appeal to women voters. Maybe wait until she debates Biden to decide what you think. I hated people that didn’t give Hillary a chance and cast her off as just another feminist. If they would’ve gotten to know her and listened to her solutions then they would’ve seen her worth instead of her gender only. Give Palin a chance. Besides she’s the VP nom, not the President. Maybe her resume is thin but Nobama’s is even thinner and he’s running for President.
ladyhawkke, LOL people have been hunting since the beginning of time. As long as they hunt for food…there isn’t a darn thing wrong with it. I live in a state that is about hunting. People hunt to eat it…not just kill it for fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Missed Murphy on Hardball…Please post a link. I don’t seem to be able to find it yet.
For 35 years Roe V. Wade was not overturned due to the fact it INFRINGED OUR RIGHT TO PRIVACY guaranteed under our constitution (Bill of Rights). For 40 years, the Democrats ONLY occupy the whitehouse 12 years (Carter and Clinton). The Democratic Party is using scare tactic when it comes to Roe V. Wade which I find laughable because if people are smart, they’d know the US Supreme Court already gave their ruling on that, it is left for the state to decide, even John McCain knows that and the same with Sarah Palin.
ladyhawkke she lives in Alaska there’s not much more to do there lol. just kidding..Most of the media got over there shock from this morning and got a nice tall glass of Kool-aid again because I’ve noticed as the evening has gone on most (not all) are getting down right nasty about this woman.
Today was the second time McCain has ever met with her in person. That sounds gimmicky to me.
#80 virginia.puma
I hope you told them – to pass your legacy on.
Casey Anthony re-arrested!!! Led from house in handcuffs!
ya know, listening to all of these talkingheads (which by the way – where the hell do they find them – ugh) seems like the old telephone game – remember that? You say something to one person, they pass it on and at the end of the circle or line – it bears no comparison to what was started – that’s all I keep hearing -gotta turn it off – tired of hollering to the idiots that they got it wrong……………………………..
Geraldine is proud that another barrier has been broken. She said she was a token also and that was in 1984. I think she’ll be putting more on her site concerning this.
It seems like many here are treating Palin (in less than 12 hours) that same way Hillary was treated, although Hillary took so many hits and kept standing. Let’s not do this to another woman. Hillary stood up as a proud, proud woman and none of us know what also went on in the background.
I don’t care how everyone votes (except not for Hussein – my opinion)
Palin is not running for President – McCain is. This election is keeping Hussein out!!!
By the way Murphy – you’ve been vetted, so when you get ready to run for an office, just holler!!
#82 4Hillary My son just called me and told me to calm down, that we need to focus on getting XO defeated. He said not to worry about the VP pick, we are voting McCain and hope women will vote for that ticket. Even if I find out more stuff about her, what does that mean? I can’t stand Obama and I have to vote for the lesser of the two evils.
And I agree, Hillary worked so hard for this and Palin is getting the glory.
#32 Anna7000
Knoxville sent out a copy of a news article in the Knoxville paper (Knoxville Press? )about the fight in their delegation meeting prior to voting. This was published either Wednesday day or early Thursday morning. It was a verbal fight but full of coercion. I can’t find the post as it seems late night thread for that night was misplaced. It was heartbreaking. By the way, no one knows if there was a chain of custody with the votes.
slyt2 on 08.29.08 at 7:49 pm #15 TerryDo hey long time no see how you have you been.
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I am well thank you slyt2, I was away on a 10 day seminar and did not have much time to blog. I hope you are also well.
Congratulations to Murphy and PUMAPAC’s new baby!
We have to wish the New Democratic Party a happy birthday, pumapac is just so fecundate with multiple births. That is a great sign of creativity and growth for Pumas!
#246Firebelle (previous thread)
and all others who are interested in knowing WHAT THE FRENCH MEDIA SAYS OF SARAH PALIN :
I’ve just created a special section on my blog entitled “Sarah palin VP” : you can read some press articles in French if you read French “Ce qu’en dit la presse” ; but there is of course an English summary at “What the press says about her”.
http://hillary.meilleur.choix.qu-obama.over-blog.com/
Personally, although I am very happy to see a woman on the ticket again for the second time in History only, I must confess I am not particularly enthusiastic about Sarah Palin. I am an animal lover, and if I read her biography well, I learn she is a hunter, and that she has done nothing to protect polar bears, on the contrary !
#100 1gypsy4mc, AMEN!!!
I think BO’s stadium speach last night was a gimmick
I personally think bashing Palin because she is a woman is pretty sexist myself. Casting her as a gimmick fits that definition. When none of us have had a chance to get to know her and what she is about it is pretty quick judgement based on what? Party ideals? Gender? Fear? Sounds awful familiar.
This blog has been trying all day with the bashing, condensation and what appears to me, purposeful narrowmindedness. I for one will rest with other more productive endeavors.
Stoney42
It was HOLLYWOOD CONVENTION.
#107 virginia.puma
AMEN!!
#81 4Hillary said ~
“Palin was selected as a gimmick.”
I respectfully disagree. That thought is purely speculation and not based on fact. This may have come as a surprise to Democrats and the MSM, but Palin has been talked about in Republican circles as a possible pick long before Obama overlooked Hillary and picked Biden.
I have a conservative site with a group of 10 female friends and we have been talking about her for a while. Palin may not be a perfect pick but no candidate is. I do agree with you that Palin should not be compared to Hillary. That would be ridiculous to do so. IMO, both woman should be celebrated for their individual accomplishments.
She eats alot of moose and caribou. Lucky lady. I’ve never had either but I’ve had a lot of deer and one elk. ia it true she shot a Polar Bear?
I have some bad news for anyone who eats meat. If you do, you just pay someone else to do your killing for you. You are just as guilty as the one who pulled the trigger. What you eat was once running around alive. But it is a gift from the Creator. Be thankful!
#72 Pumetta
Exactly! I am pro-life and pro-choice. I think it is always interesting when a man believes he tries to say pro-choice is wrong. Until a man walks in a bioligically correct body, then they can have a say. Nothing personal Maxgrader. : )
4HILL~
And it doesn’t seem fair that Palin should get so much fanfare. The same goes with Ferraro.
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AND WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH FERRARO??? NOW YOU HAVE ISSUES WITH HER TOO? AND YOU ASKED DNSTRS FOR A NAME~ I GAVE YOU MINE~ STILL WAITING ON AN ANSWER!!!
#104 delphinefromfrance
Thank you.
I can understand your concerns about Sarah Palin and animal rights. But anyone who eats meat, foul, or fish shouldn’t be too upset that Sarah Palin is a hunter. After all, if someone wasn’t hunting and fishing for us, we’d all either be doing it for ourselves or eating vegetarian.
I don’t know enough about Sarah Palin to say what she has or hasn’t done to protect polar bears. But I know enough about Obama to know that he doesn’t protect democracy or Americans. To me, that outweighs any of Sarah Palin’s shortcomings.
SouthJersey!
What did Cauto have to say to you???
#104 delphinefromfrance on 08.29.08 at 8:41 pm
Whoever said it in your newspaper is WRONG about Polar bear. They’re well protected in Alaska, they’re ENDANGERED SPECIE. If a person gets attack by a polar bear, it is the person’s fault, not the bear. The only time they’ll kill polar bear if its confirmed maneater the same goes with Grizzlies.
You know what really ticks me off???? O’reilly and loudmouth Laura Ingraham saying are feminists gonna speak out again MSNBC and what they are saying about Palin – where the hell were they when Hillary was being savaged – twofaced sobs – and of course I’ll speak out about the crap they spout and its only because she’s a woman and doesn’t deserve to be treated they way Hillary was treated……………………..
“I hope some animal never bores a hole in my head and lays its eggs in my brain, because later you might think you’re having a good idea but it’s just eggs hatching.”
#101 ladyhawkke your son sounds very wise you raised him well, I agree with him wholeheartedly “I can’t stand Obama and I have to vote for the lesser of the two evils”. Love that line and behind it 100%
#103 TerryDo Oh that’s right I forgot all about that until you said it again . Doing as well as I can since what happened the other nite with Hillary and then my redskins lost again last nite.lol but yea everyone I love is healthy and so I can’t complain
#118 Susie1945, that was exactly what I thought when I heard Bill say that!! Where were they…they are right, but the same was done to Hillary!!
anne7000
will have to meet you -
but for right now – thank you husband – dinner/wine on the table – night all
HE KEEP ASKING “SO HOW MANY PUMAS ARE THERE? WELL WHAT ABOUT 18 MILLION”?~ I TOLD HIM ALTHOUGH I SIGNED THE 18 MILLION PLATFORM, I WASNT INVOLVED WITH THEM SO I DONT KNOW~ BUT PUMA’s ARE WEST TO EAST, AND NORTH TO SOUTH~ AND THERE ARE SILENT PUMAs AS WELL AS THOSE WHO DONT EVEN KNOW THEY ARE PUMAS~ SO EXPECT A WAVE FOR MC CAIN~
YA KNOW~ WHY ARE THEY MAKING A DEAL HOW NEW PALIN IS, WHEN 61 HASNT DONE CRAP’OLA!!!! WTF?
# 13 ladyhawkke,
First of all, Sarah Palin might not want to go as far as running for president in 4 years, like Dick Cheney decided not to run for president right now. But even if the 2012 race was between Palin and Hillary, what’s wrong with two women competing for the presidency? I find that really exciting and it would be a big difference from the male dominated races that we have had traditionally.
I am a big Hillary supporter, and of course I would want Hillary to win in 2012, but I think that if it were between two women, it would be a very interesting race and a historic breakthrough for women.
#81 4Hillary
Ok. 4Hillary. I appreciate you addressing the issue in a calmer manner. It did get a little heated. But I think I understand what was going on in your thought processes better by your explanation. Thanks for taking the time to clarify.
I don’t see the Palin pick as a gimmick. Given the choices he had, all boring or oldtimers, Palin is a breath of fresh air. She helps his ticket in so many ways all at the same time. I do think it was a brilliant strategic choice. Plus I find her very likeable in so many ways (not all ways, but many more than I could have said had his pick been one of the other VP frontrunners).
Now onto Hillary. It makes me very sad that Hillary has been relegated to the sidelines after the glorious campaign she fought. It is simply terrible. The Democrats are to blame, completely to blame, for that.
In light of what McCain did today by picking a woman as his VP, while the Democrats did everything they possibly could to marginalize and humiliate Hillary, Hillary’s treatment is all the more painful to us all and to Hillary.
It highlights just how slimy and creepy and sleasy the DP is when the Republicans – who Dems have always demonized (I include myself in this category, but now use the past tense about it) – were the ones that treated Hillary with respect, courtesy and appreciation makes the Dems actions all the more outrageous.
McCain gave her what her own party robbed her off to the best of his ability. He couldn’t give her the VP spot, but he respected her and all women by doing what he did and making sure she, Geraldine and women in general were acknowleged in the process.
Now Hillary is free to take it to the next level. I think 4 years of McCain/Palin can give Hillary/Bill, and people who share their feelings about the Dem Party and the direction it needs to go in, the time and space to work behind the scenes, or in front of them, and make the changes that need to be made in the Dem Party.
I think even if Hillary had won the fight, it would have been so hard to get anything done. She’d be fighting all those evil forces within the party. There’s a lot of very difficult, hard work facing any president right now. It isn’t a fun time to be president. I think maybe JM is just the kind of person for that job at this point in time. Hillary just might be the perfect person to take over from where JM will leave off. So, maybe in the end, good will come out of all this heartache and horror all the way around.
(Sorry for such a long post…..)
#94 Asian4Hillary on 08.29.08 at 8:38 pm
I hear you suggesting this is a ’scare tactic’ yet I find that it is food for thought given that it is on his website:
The ultimate goal as stated on McC’s website (Human Dignity & Life) :
“…the reversal of Roe v. Wade represents only one step in the long path toward ending abortion…government must find new ways to empower and strengthen these armies of compassion…These important groups (pro life) can help build the consensus necessary to end abortion at the state level.”
This is too drastic a statement on his website to make me blindly vote for him because he chose a female veep. At this point, I feel that this is the rep’s version of “change”.
She’s not Hillary. And I’m definitely not voting for 0. Hence, my quandry. Thank goodness there are 2 months to sort it out.
#53 Lin4Hill on 08.29.08 at 8:05 pm
Reposting from downstairs—I feel this urgency deep in my guts—
Agree, Kelligesq—We are up against a massive tsunami of BO voters being registered daily.
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#60 hillaryhead on 08.29.08 at 8:09 pm says:
There is no evidence to substantiate this claim. A third of the electorate already probably registered have not made up their minds. 1/3 of electoral votes are UNDECIDED. What you put forth is air not facts
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HILLARYHEAD
HAD YOU BOTHERED TO READ , I AM THE EVIDENCE. I WAS AT THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS OFFICE TALKING TO THE REGISTRAR. THAT US WHAT HE TOLD ME.
IS THAT ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO SUBSTANTIATE FOR YOU?
ARE YOU HERE TO HELP THE MISSION, OR TO HINDER?
As far as Palin, I will get to know her. Listen to what she has to say. Find out about her demeanor and smarts. McCain is a very smart guy. Republican, but smart. I was thinking today that by selecting Palin, he actually held his hand out to all those voters who Obama turned his back on. She is young and will be around to lead for long time in whatever capacity comes her way. I am giving her a chance.
#119 TexasTigress, What?! LMAO
I like Palin because she make is far more likely Obama will loose.
I want the DNC to “smart” so badly from a loss in this election so that the next ruthless con artist who comes down the road will pass on the democratic party.
I heard Obama released an attack ad on Palin already. Has anyone seen this ad?
I am getting so p*ssed off right now I am so sick of hearing how inexperienced she is , NOBODY gave McCain a death sentence the man could live another 10 to 15 years or longer. Why can’t these gosh darn (trying hard not to curse) reporters be worried about BO like they are worried about Palin not having any experience. She is VP choice , BO wants to be President and he HAS NO EXPERIENCE but they don’t bring that up god for bid!!!!!!
stoney42 – well said. The stadium was a gimmick.
As for Palin – I have been waiting for both candidates to court me. One threw away my vote the other day – on teevee, the other is trying to get my vote. And I should turn all pissy about it why?
Not saying I am sold – still not sure I am voting McCain. But I am certainly more favorably disposed, and in a much better mood today than I was the past 2 days, I can tell you that. And why some people want to mess this moment – I’d rather not go there.
ladyhawkke
Wouldn’t it be great if Hillary ran against Palin in 2012?
Then you could be sure that the next POTUS would be a woman.
Btw., I’m not an American but a left-leaning European. Obama scares the hell out of me. If he is elected, it will affect politics in the whole world, and life will be become much harder for Europeans who don’t like Anti-Americanism or hatred against Israel. I’m afraid not only for Israel and America’s allies in Iraq and elsewhere, but I also think the political climate in Europe and everywhere will change and become MUCH worse. This is why I hope McCain wins the election, and this is also why I’m following the debate pretty closely.
Imagine if there’s no hunting in Alaska, those wild animals will starve to death. In fact we have season for hunting in Alaska, that also help people put food on their table, feed their family especially during winter time. One time we had a bad winter in Alaska, Moose can’t dig for grass, people bought hay to feed the moose. I thought moose would eat carrots I bought 100lbs of carrots, the game warden had a good laugh, he told me to can my carrots or make carrot cake out of me. People in Alaska MUST hunt before winter come or they’ll starve to death. You have to buy a license to hunt moose or caribou and you can’t just shoot first moose you see, there are guidelines to follow, if you break the law, you’ll end up in jail, the state will confiscate your truck and your gun and sometimes even your house. My dentist license was revoked (can’t practice dentistry anymore in the State of Alaska) by the state for hunting a moose out of season, they’ve confiscated everything he owns. The punishment is severe in Alaska. If you hit a moose while driving you better call the Game and Wildlife immediately or you’d be in trouble with the state.
Is there a radio show on tonight?
Glad to see the West Coasters are mainly on the blog now and hope the mellow PUMAs puuuuuuuuuur more and swipe less.
As much drama as we have seen on the blog today, it is much better than I expected after the faux convention ended. I thought it would be so ugly I would have to stay away for days, but I see lots of new PUMAs that are struggling to learn the acceptable way to argue their views without attacking other PUMAs.
Next time we get frustrated, sit back and think that in November, our vote will finally count. Other than voting fraud or hanging chads, we may eventually have our voices heard. The Democrats did not listen to us until it was too late for Hillary, but d@mn straight…they are listening to us now, thanks to all the brave PUMAs that did not cower, shut up, nor fall in line.
When I hold my nose and vote for John McCain in November, I will not vote by mail but will go into the voting booth and as I put my mark by John McCain, I will say loudly with respect, “Hillary, this vote is for you!”
#125 BrooklynNY
You write with great wisdom. I wager that McCain will give Hillary a good spot in his administration, where perhaps she can do almost as much good for the country as she would have as President. That will help position her for the future too.
#127 Kelligesq on 08.29.08 at 8:54 pm
what supervisor, where, what city or county, what state??
I aint biting
Palin is no Hillary. Gimmick or not she has accomplished more than most women…and I think she’s worth looking at. I already decided that I was voting for McCain as a protest vote before today..I think Hillary’s chances have gotten better for 2012. McCain probably won’t run again and Hillary has more experience and backing than Palin ever will get in 4 years. Think positive folks..this is good for Hillary come 2012!
Not Every Woman Supports Women’s Rights
August 29, 2008
Statement of NOW PAC Chair Kim Gandy on the Selection of Sarah Palin as John McCain’s Vice Presidential Pick
Sen. John McCain’s choice of Alaska governor Sarah Palin as his running mate is a cynical effort to appeal to disappointed Hillary Clinton voters and get them to vote, ultimately, against their own self-interest.
Gov. Palin may be the second woman vice-presidential candidate on a major party ticket, but she is not the right woman. Sadly, she is a woman who opposes women’s rights, just like John McCain.
The fact that Palin is a mother of five who has a 4-month-old baby, a woman who is juggling work and family responsibilities, will speak to many women. But will Palin speak FOR women? Based on her record and her stated positions, the answer is clearly No.
In a gubernatorial debate, Palin stated emphatically that her opposition to abortion was so great, so total, that even if her teenage daughter was impregnated by a rapist, she would “choose life” — meaning apparently that she would not permit her daughter to have an abortion.
Palin also had to withdraw her appointment of a top public safety commissioner who had been reprimanded for sexual harassment, although Palin had been warned about his background through letters by the sexual harassment complainant.
What McCain does not understand is that women supported Hillary Clinton not just because she was a woman, but because she was a champion on their issues. They will surely not find Sarah Palin to be an advocate for women.
Sen. Joe Biden is the VP candidate who appeals to women, with his authorship and championing of landmark domestic violence legislation, support for pay equity, and advocacy for women around the world.
Finally, as the chair of NOW’s Political Action Committee, I am frequently asked whether NOW supports women candidates just because they are women. This gives me an opportunity to once again answer that question with an emphatic ‘No.’ We recognize the importance of having women’s rights supporters at every level but, like Sarah Palin, not every woman supports women’s rights.
136 Lorelai on 08.29.08 at 8:58 pm
Is there a radio show on tonight?
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Yes – http://www.blogtalkradio.com/no-we-wont
I cancelled my NOW membership a long time ago.
#431 on last thread – Freddie well said – completely agree
I have an action item that will keep people busy – since we are from so many different States and since our new goal is to re-elect the good guys Democrats – can we have a roll call by State – who is up for relection this November in your State and if they are good guys or bad guys (ones that turned on Hillary) we certainly can help campaign for the good guys by prowls – donations – etc – and the bad ones – we can do the same for their opponents – anyone else other than me that is willing to do this – I will keep the listing going –
Alabama —–
Alaska —-
Arizona —–
130 alohapuma on 08.29.08 at 8:55 pm
right on girl
Murphy, you were unstoppable on Hardball!
I just got a link from a friend. It has Sarah Palin saying that HILLARY DIDN’T WORK HARD ENOUGH. Palin also said that Hillary WHINES.
I’m ready to scream. Its all over the internet.
111 mick – thank you – she was considered a long time ago, but the media didn’t recognize her.
Also, what would you like Alaskans to eat? Do you know that cattle and horses are brought into the state? That the severe weather takes its toll? That the majority of what you can run into the store and get here is not so readily available. When I lived there, frozen beef was brought into the state.
Hunting is more regulated in Alaska than here!!
PLEASE!!!
WHEN POSTING ARTICLES PLEASE PUT THE LINK AND NOT THE WHOLE ARTICLE HERE~ IT STARTS TO MAKE THE ERRORS MORE CONSISTANT..
I believe in making the world safe for our children, but not our children’s children, because I don’t think children should be having sex.
#126 pumetta
Some of how McCain words his position on abortion on his website I think is done to satisfy the conservative wing of the Rep. party. But he is very big into removing the need for abortion by preventing pregnancies before they occur, providing help for women who chose abortion because they have no way to take care of their child, and offering help with adoption options.
He’s expressed the hope that one day maybe there won’t be a need for abortion, but until that time, he seems to have made it clear he doesn’t think Roe v Wade is going anywhere.
#128 CTKey,
I have already found out that Ms. Palin has been called in the past “Sarah Baracuda”.
That should give you some idea as to her style in governing.
She’s already sounding good to me.
Open Prowl Alert for any interested Clinton PUMA!
Hey guys:
I would ask that a couple of people (especially if you are from Tennessee) go to this website and post.
http://blogs.knoxnews.com/knx/dnc2008/2008/08/end-of-an-era.html
This is a blog from a superdelegate who donated his office to serve as the headquarters for Hillary’s campaign. Now, I’ll be honest, he made me really angry because he literally drank the kool-aid (in the form of a unity champagne glass raising with the governor) on the front of News Sentinel the day before the final primary. But, there is some asshole who posted named AJ who is characterizing all Clinton “followers” as bitter. Personally I find it another desperate attack on Clinton Democrats because they are shocked that we would not jump on the unity train to hope and the future.
I’ve posted two entries under DiscountedbyHDean. So, just choose a login name and enter an email and write away, especially to AJ but feel free to direct it to anyone including Bill Owen about how you feel about what happend to Hillary, Bill, and Clinton Democrats in this selection!
Thanks. Come back here and report after this small prowl!
Anna7000…completely understand where you are coming from. If you would like to get in touch with me, you have my email per Maryland Puma earlier this week.
Sorry this has been so hard on all of us but my fear is that we are coming off as angry and bitter and that will not help us achieve our goals. We all have to get a grip or all of our efforts will be for naught.
I know we are angry, and it is hard to mask, but people will not take us seriously if we continue to vent publicly and not consider reasonable discourse on emotional subjects. I know that is a hard task to even contemplate, but no one will listen to our goals and objectives if their impression is that we are stubborn, angry and closed minded which, I’m afraid, I am hearing from several people.
Okay, I’m rambling now, but just just had to say it.
#96 4Hillary said ~
“And it doesn’t seem fair that Palin should get so much fanfare. The same goes with Ferraro.”
Of course she deserves fanfare!!! … geesh, she just made major history for all women in this country and so did Ferraro. Regardless of what side of the aisle one is on, we should all be excited about this. Your statement reeks of sour grapes … and I find it sad.
I’m 45 yrs. old and I remember when Ferraro was the veep pick on dem. ticket. As a young girl from a Republican household, I was sooo excited and thought that it was awesome!!
Just saying.
Since Hillary is out in 08, I am voting McCain b/c:
#1) Corrupt DNC and Nobama thugs and Media treated Hillary like dirt.
#2) I am not a one issue voter nor do I think McCain will overturn Roe v Wade. I vote for capitalism, democracy, and national security. Nobama is a socialist borderlining communist, terrorist appeaser, racist church goer, and has ZERO experience to be President.
#3) McCain is not a staunch Republican. He’s a moderate and a maverick. He’s been asked by John Kerry to be VP of all people. Biden said himself that he would be happy to run against or WITH John McCain.
4) Nobama is arrogant and all about himself and his wife’s agendas for this country. McCain is an American Patriot and would die for this country and has proven it.
5) If America’s national security gets in jeopardy more than it already is, there won’t be an economy to fix.
Hillary would have been a great CIC but the DNC leadership threw that away before we even voted. Nobama not ever.
Thanks Billie Jo!!!
Another thougth about Palin.
Although she is a product of her culture and has limited exposue outside of Alaska, she still appears to hold her own on the national stage. With some exposure and grooming (not alterations of character) she has the potential to be a powerhouse.
I am not a Republican, but I have so say she impresses me as a “salt of the earth” type of woman who really gets women’s issues. You don’t raise five children and then turn your back on the issues of concern to women.
I like her a lot so far.
Like jewels in a crown, the precious stones glittered in the queen’s round metal hat.
Open Prowl Alert for any interested Clinton PUMA!
Hey guys:
I would ask that a couple of people (especially if you are from Tennessee) go to this website and post.
http://blogs.knoxnews.com/knx/dnc2008/2008/08/end-of-an-era.html
This is a blog from a superdelegate who donated his office to serve as the headquarters for Hillary’s campaign. Now, I’ll be honest, he made me really angry because he literally drank the kool-aid (in the form of a unity champagne glass raising with the governor) on the front of News Sentinel the day before the final primary. But, there is some asshole who posted named AJ who is characterizing all Clinton “followers” as bitter. Personally I find it another desperate attack on Clinton Democrats because they are shocked that we would not jump on the unity train to hope and the future.
I’ve posted two entries under DiscountedbyHDean. So, just choose a login name and enter an email and write away, especially to AJ but feel free to direct it to anyone including Bill Owen about how you feel about what happend to Hillary, Bill, and Clinton Democrats in this selection!
Thanks. Come back here and report after this small prowl!
Maybe nobody else cares what Mrs. Palin said about Hill, but I think its aweful. Calling her a whiner stinks.
I’m considering voting Bob Barr.
My response to Hillary’s email “Standing on that Stage”:
Dear Senator Clinton,
God bless you Senator Clinton. You have more of a stomach for these things than I have. Watching you on that stage made me want to throw up.
It’s very clear to me that you are sacrifing the future of this country in support of your party and future political career. I am saddened. I expected more from you.
I will NEVER vote for Obama. He is WRONG for this country. I sorely wish that you had stood on that stage and declared this. 18 million would have stood with you.
Oh well, I guess it’s just another fairy tale. It seems that there are more “cracks in the ceiling” over on the Republican side..
I will be voting for John McCain.
Sincerely,
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Austin, TX
PUMA PAC Member
#115 Firebelle Puma :
The truth is that I am… vegetarian !
#117 Asian Hillary
In fact I love polar bears : the problem is (I maybe wrong but I think that) Sarah palin does not approve of polar bears as an endangered species…
#147 brother2040…can you give us the link?
hillaryhead,
That’s right
Watching a video pf Palins speech. She is young. No “uhs” . For being on the national stage for the first time, she did a good job. She was positive. Praised Hillary and Geraldine. Talked about the 18 million cracks…I have a good feeling about her. Oh…we are in for a ride folks. Senator Obama…ya really blew it.
Murphy,
I have a request. Would you put the constitution in a prominent place on the blog? That is what this fight is truly about now and whenever we are down, aggravated, or at a loss I think it would serve to restore our focus.
Thanks.
#163 brother2040
Do you have a link to that info, or is it just a rumor?
163 brother2040 – yeah and I bet it came from a “bot”
I look through my email
But just google it: palin whiner
#163 brother2040 WHAT, I have been watching news a day long and haven’t heard this where did you get this from please.
158 sisterluck
me too, what you said.
Open Prowl Alert for any interested Clinton PUMA!
Hey guys:
I would ask that a couple of people go to this website and post.
http://blogs.knoxnews.com/knx/dnc2008/2008/08/end-of-an-era.html
Lets give our daughters/granddaughters/nieces a chance the Democratic party used sexism to diminish her and let all behaivor by BigMedia go unchecked. Take a look at the youth and then I implore you to not vote for obama
What a joke – this was started on someone’s personal blog!! Go look!! Today’s date!!!!!!!!!!!
#151 BrooklynNY –
Sorry, but I don’t buy it. The words on his website are chosen very carefully and deliberately. And history has shown us that the “just say no” government plans are far from 100% effective.
im totally loving this on CNN. I’m sorry it has to be carville, because I believe Obama’s people should be the ones to have to get out there and raise questions to repubs.
Here is what Palin said re: Hillary. She did not call Hillary a whiner…She said she can be perceived as a whiner when…….. well listen to the video.
http://blueweeds.typepad.com/blue_weeds/2008/08/palin-calls-hil.html
brother2040,
Nobody’s perfect. Not Hillary nor Sarah. Not anybody.
Just as I was willing to give Ms. Clinton a chance at making history, so shall I afford Ms. Palin the same consideration. Like with Hillary it will take time and information before I give Sarah Palin my full support. So far she’s looking good (to me).
I will close with this thought – if we saw it coming, why didn’t the DNC?
G’night -
Hey all.
Plans to go out of town this evening have been delayed until tomorrow morning. So, I dropped in to view the chaos.
I’ve been reading the arguments for pro-life vs pro-choice. I am pro-choice … but for young women with unwanted pregnancies, abortion options are not being used.
Abortions are down and dead infants (microwaved, beaten, buried, etc.) are up. Hell, young mothers (and fathers) won’t even drop the infants off at a nearby hospital. I like Palin’s extensive action of birth control and counseling for an unwanted pregnancy.
And, I’ve never agreed with late term abortions (obama and the dems who selected him).
JMO, since everyone else is throwing theirs around.
I know the Dems will try to spin the Palin choice as a negative, but if it matters to anyone the word on the street (i.e. my Democratic female friends) think Palin was a brilliant choice and that Obama/Biden are done. We are a little sad that the Reps get to have this first also (first female VP). The Dems could have been the ones, but they blew it again. Mixed feelings abound. We are happy for the Palin choice, but ashamed for the Democratic Party. It’s even more shameful that they panicked and didn’t wait at least one day before they began to attack her. HC issued a statement praising McCain’s choice and then backed off. That’s the way you do it.
Nigh all,
Lara08
http://alaska.fws.gov/fisheries/mmm/polarbear/issues.htm
Not endangered, threatened, although I think they should be listed as endangered.
#147 brother2040 ~
She said this “coming from a woman candidate with any kind of perceived whine” is much different from saying that “Hillary whines”. Please stop getting your talking points from Huffpo or Daily Kos!
I’m not sure what the question was before her comments but here ya go ~ I’ll let y’all be the judge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEUG0XZ9OpY
#186 sunnypa I am totally against late term abortions except when the mother’s life is in danger. I think a late term abortion is murder. They have to cut the baby out and I don’t go along with that at all. If you get pregnant and want an abortion, I say do it immediately and not wait. Like I said, I am pro-life and pro-choice.
Sarah Pallin the scroll says on Fox, gave energy rebates to those who upgraded..
Sounds like a person who might get this country going towards solar.
Too bad she’s so so conservative..
But she did raise taxes on the oil companies.
That’s 2 points for her and 2 points against her.
msnbc digging up the trooper firing on her with another trooper she fired who refused to fire her brother in law. tough cookie. good for her.
This will be my last post here – after two days of this – I have moved on – good luck to everyone with all their ideas and thought processes – too bad those did not get the only person that we all love and need elected to the rightful office of Presidency – maybe if you continue for the next three years everyone will have the solution for the next Presidency – sorry if I sound rude and no need to respond – asking Mama to ban me from the site now..
Post from a few nights ago about the coercion of Tennesse Hillary delegates.
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/aug/28/tenn-dems-bicker-hope-come-together/
Does anyone have a link to Murphy’s interview with Chris Matthews?
189 mick
#182 virginia.puma too funny I was just gonna post the exact same thing and say the exact same thing. It’s not the nicest but it’s not horrible and everyone has got to remember she is a repub so of course she can’t be praising of Hillary all the time.
Goodnight pumetta. (I just know you are still there waiting to see who waves and wishes).
Last Jack Handy quote , then I’m off to bed – Sleep well Pumas
Today I accidentally stepped on a snail on the sidewalk in front of our house. And I thought, I too am like that snail. I build a defensive wall around myself, a “shell” if you will. But my shell isn’t made out of a hard, protective substance. Mine is made out of tinfoil and paper bags.
Open prowl to a superdelegate.
Okay, anyone, you have the opportunity to go post on the blog of a superdelegate. Please take the time to do so. He will read the responses and he needs to hear from Clinton supporters. He is a member of the DNC and he sat in on the rules committee meeting to review the primary process. They will be having a meeting in Jan.
Please go give some kind of a response here.
http://blogs.knoxnews.com/knx/dnc2008/2008/08/end-of-an-era.html#comments
Thanks,
Dem4Hillary
Hey All,
blog-talk-radio on now —
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/no-we-wont
Best wishes, Rodham In Flag. Appreciated your input.
My thoughts on Hillary….it seems like now is the time to get it off my chest…she (meaning her mental capacity) couldn’t go outside the box.
I’m totally pro-Hillary. Evenso, grassroots organizations and followers gave her ample time to make a move. She didn’t. Historically speaking, given the type of grueling, emotion-driven campaigning … there will be no 2012 for either Hillary or obama (if he loses).
Goodnite Pumetta and Rodham in Flag. I think I’m going in hiding also!! Too much, too fast, too many thoughts!
you have to fix this software. I write up good ideas and then when I submit it crashes. It is so frustrating. Also what I typed disappears. if it remained I could capture it and try again.
I just had to share this sooo funny
Barack Obama was seated next to a little girl on an airplane He Turned to her and said, ‘Let’s talk. I’ve heard that flights go Quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger.’
The little girl, who had just opened her book, closed it slowly and said to the Obama,
‘What would you like to talk about?’
‘Oh, I don’t know,’ said the Obama. ‘How about What Changes I Should Make To America ?’ and he smiles.
‘OK, ‘ she said. ‘That could be an interesting topic. But let me ask you a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same stuff – grass – .
Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow
Turns out a flat patty, and a horse produces clumps of dried grass.
Why do you suppose that is?’
Obama, visibly surprised by the little girl’s intelligence, thinks About it and says, ‘Hmmm, I have no idea.’
To which the little girl replies, ‘Do you really feel qualified to Change America when you don’t know shit ?
Pumas I took a trip down to my Board of Elections. Asked them some questions about how they tally votes and count them,and record them,since I was concerend about voter fraud like in Alabama. She informed me that in NC not only do they count votes with the machine they also count the paper votes and compare,Hence a paper trail.Asked her about people voting in one district and then going to another. Not gonna happen cause NC computers are linked together to record your name when given at the time you vote. I sur feel better about voting and it being true.Also asked her about machines tallying an x-amount of votes and then spilling them out and starting over. She assured me that they check the paper form with the machine count. Pumas I was very Glad to talk to her.
#91 Sisterluck
“Palin was not a gimmick pick. McCain fires up his base along with respecting women and their accomplishments. It was a bold, maverick move. Nobama made the lame safe move with his pick and highlighted his no experience in doing it.”
Very well said!
Lillabet – I read your brilliant letter to Dean and the DP. You took the words right out of my mouth.
NH Hillary – A couple of days ago you printed your two letters to the editor. Kudos to your letters.
Of course, part of Palin’s selection is to checkmate BO. He has been getting away with this stage events. It’s gratifying to see the DP leaders dumbfounded.
LOL – BO’s team talking about Palin’s inexperience.
Palin has more experience than Obama. we will have a Secretary of Defense and Secretary of State along with President McCain so there will be plenty of National Security expertise. Makes me want to go out and rent Geena Davis reruns of Commander and Chief .
Thanks for reposting Diva2.
I think this is all normal. The Palin nomination is truly amazing on one level and difficult on another because we wanted to see Hillary as the champion for the party, our issues, and women in politics. Now, Palin has been nominated by the republicans and truly, I have a feeling they will win and that is difficult.
SunnyPA, Articles over the past few days had Hillary advisers saying there’s little doubt she will run in 2012 if Obama loses.
http://www.somecrankyguy.com/
I drop in on this guy’s blog occasionally, sometimes he’s really funny (and sometimes offensive) but today, it’s worth the read.
I still haven’t heard what the media thought about “The Audacity of Democracy” and the caucus fraud. Is there anyone here that was in Denver that could give me some insight?
Go Hillary Go – highlight your comment and press control C and submit…if it doesn’t post, return to blog and do control V…..you don’t have to retype.
This has worked for me.
Pumas… feel free to post this ‘wherever’, if you think it will help you withe Roe v. Wader’s.
This is chief justice John Roberts statement on the case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Roberts
It is about one third way down the page. In effect John Roberts states that in Roe v. Wade has established precedence and is to be respected as such. Stare decisis is what it is (the policy of the court to stand by precedence.)
My own personal take on Roe v. Wade is that they have far more control over outcome with it than without it and THAT is why it still stands.
I’m sure John McCain is aware of this and can claim to be for overturning it with impunity to please his constituents. If you do your research you will find that John is FAR more intelligent than most give him credit for.
#163 brother2040
Give us a link to all this stuff Palin supposedly said against Hillary. Betcha can’t do it.
#180 pumetta
I don’t remember McCain ever being one of the fanatical pro-lifers in Congress, one of the Reagan “Just Say No” people. I think a lot of people who ARE pro-choice do believe life begins at conception, life is sacred, etc., abortion is wrong, but a woman’s decision regarding an unwanted pregnancy is her own private matter. McCain never was a part of any movement to actively overturn R v W. It’s never been at the top of his agenda. I don’t believe it is now. He’s much more concerned with other matters. I’m not in the least worried he’s going to overturn it now when Reagan, Bush, a Republican Congress etc. hasn’t been able to do it in the past. I do not understand how anyone can be so concerned about that issue right now when there are so many other issues in front of us now that make R v W pale in comparison.
Personally, I always felt that if people believed abortion was wrong, they should give women other options too. A lot of women had abortions in the past, not because that’s what they truly wanted, but because they had no choice; they simply could not take care of a child. So, I admire that he’s put his money where his mouth is and has done something to help those women, instead of just condemning them.
#139 hillaryhead on 08.29.08 at 8:59 pm #127
Kelligesq on 08.29.08 at 8:54 pm
what supervisor, where, what city or county, what state??
I aint biting”
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Had you been reading anything on this blog other than your own self perceived “snappy” answers and negativity, you would know the answers.
Your efforts to prevent progress and direction are no assistance to any of the serious people here. One would almost think your purpose is to be counter-productive. that couldnt be your motivation could it?
Be prepared because it’s going to get even dirtier in the political world … if y’all think that Hillary was trashed, (and she was), just wait to you see how the left wing of the Democratic party will treat Palin. It’s going to be really, really, nasty! The people on the Daily Kos and Huffington Post are already blasting her with their horrible comments. Trust me, we are about to see a new all time low in politics.
#118 Susie1945 said ~
“You know what really ticks me off???? O’reilly and loudmouth Laura Ingraham saying are feminists gonna speak out again MSNBC and what they are saying about Palin – where the hell were they when Hillary was being savaged – twofaced sobs – and of course I’ll speak out about the crap they spout and its only because she’s a woman and doesn’t deserve to be treated they way Hillary was treated”
I’m not sure how long it will take me but I watch O’Reilly every night, (I know, I know, but I like him), and I am positive that on many occasions he did talk about Hillary being mistreated by other media peeps and by the Obama camp. In spite of what you may read on liberal sites, Bill is overall really fair is calling out crapolo on both sides of the aisle.
Go Hillary 2008— you are amazing on this radio show…your thoughts on abortion are spot on!
#208 hillaryhead
I don’t know what your views are …. but, that was cute. lol
BigCatLover have you gotten any answers for our questions yet ?
#198 hillaryhead I know but sometimes it is captured and we get a link. I’ve gotten links when Will Bower was on.
I’m going to watch the rest of the US Open after I get this to post. It’s 5 times now and I’m still trying.
MSNBC said earlier this afternoon that Palin was a ‘gimmick’ pick, so people using that phrase tonight are quoting MSNBC and we know what that means.
Brother2040,
Show us the link,Prove it! We looooooove to see proof.
John McCain cannot overturned Roe V Wade without the help of the democrats in congress. If he’s allowed to overturned it , it’ll be because the democrats in congress vote for the judges that he select. Democrats voted for Roberts. So amybe you guys need to start looking a the dems you put in office.
#226 slyt2
so far I’m being ignored. Will email again later when Murphy is off the radio, but I’ve emailed her and Mama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEUG0XZ9OpY
tillerylakelady click on this it’s not that bad though, it’s not the nicest thing but she is a repub ya know
Good evening all.
Just catching up. Here is a link for what Palin really said.
She did not cal Hillary a whiner.
http://blueweeds.typepad.com/blue_weeds/2008/08/palin-calls-hil.html
Mick you had said earlier that statistics show that when it comes right down to it most Democrats will be going back and voting for Obama because it has always seemed to work out that way in past elections.
I want to politely disagree with you on this one. Yes maybe it has been done that way in the past, but we have never been faced with such a corrupt politician before. I do not believe that either Hitler or Castro would have ever been voted in if their countries knew what was in store for them.
Obama is different; we know about him and refuse to vote for him. Puma is here to educate the people that do not know. The Democratic Party has counted on us coming home to vote for their town idiot. The only thing the Democratic Party did not count on is Puma
#232 BigCatLover ok well until I hear more I don’t know and as far as this goes too many new names for me and way to much fighting now not sure what my future holds for me now. Just know NOBAMA NO WaY.
#200 TexasTigress:
Are you drinking that “E” now?
What McCain’s choice of Palin has done, more than anything in my opinion, it is this:
She is the contrast Voters needed. She provides a view of what values and principles actually look like in her list of accomplishments – and despite her ‘good ole boy’ party affiliation.
She provides a metric for those “fresh faces, party rising stars, and change agents for the future” through a comparative analysis of what can be accomplished in 2 years as a Governor verses what Obama HAS NOT DONE in the last 8 years in state and federal govenment.
One thing for certain, Palin seems to have taken on the issues and the big players on behalf of her constituents – and won!
It is not the Voter’s fault they are having trouble finding Obama’s accomplishments to compare to the other partys’ unfolding platform for changing what’s wrong in our country. Other than running around planting his foot on the next rung of the Democratic Party ladder – he has none to compare.
It’s not the Voter’s fault that the ‘lesser positioned’ VP candidate on the republican ticket has actually done more for her voters in exchange for having been elected than the democratic ticket’s presidential selectee.
Does anybody remember a candidate that evoked such outrage, that a PAC was created for the express purpose of defeating him? I cannot remember ever such extreme emotions against the party candidate – especially your own party’s candidate!
Obama is creating change already – there has never been this kind of backlash before. He has an a huge uphill climb!
Just think about that for a minute!
Murphy, I don’t think this posted downstairs. You have real strength to take on one of those mongrels at msnbc. I didn’t see the show because I boycott them, but in a very short time Puma has them running scared. What an achievement.
Someone said earlier that they felt if McCain wins, he will offer Hillary a cabinet position. I feel the same way. I damn sure don’t trust the dems to be nice to her now. I pray she doesn’t start attacking Palin.
I am a new “Unaffiliated” voter ( as of June). I still can’t get use to being ‘unafiliated’. No matter whom I vote for president … I will always be a democrat. In fact, I’m switching back after the election.
#235 StarDust ~
I really hope you are right.
Repost
Palin was a Council Woman. Where was Obama a Councilman?
Palin was a mayor of a small town. How many citizens lived in the city where Obama was mayor?
Palin is the Governor of Alaska. Which state has Obama governed?
Palin is responsible for her state’s budget. Which state’s budget has Obama been responsible for?
Palin is the Commander in Chief of Alaska’s National Guard. Which state’s National Guard has Obama commanded?
Murphy,
One other request, probably a sustained effort until the election. We need to have citizen poll watchers everywhere. It is the one thing anyone can do. We have digital and cell phone cameras and can blanket the election process.
Obama will practice fraud as much as possible. The only thing that can stop it is vigilance. For example, my son is a BIG fella with a good heart and nobody would tell a little old lady to go home if she isn’t voting for Obama around him! Far better, call the police. Make a scene!!! The fraud can only be successful if it goes unnoticed.
Again thanks.
#240 Lorelai
More so , The treatment of Hillary has opened the eyes of a lot of people, my self included, at to just how widespread and vicious sexism is in this country. Not to mention how effective it can be.
But then I live in california and we are pretty laid back. Most of the time
I meant to add to my comments below that i would research his archives to find his comments.
I’m not sure how long it will take me but I watch O’Reilly every night, (I know, I know, but I like him), and I am positive that on many occasions he did talk about Hillary being mistreated by other media peeps and by the Obama camp. In spite of what you may read on liberal sites, Bill is overall really fair is calling out crapolo on both sides of the aisle.
Palin has an 80% approval rating in Alaska – sounds good.
Interesting reading on our blog today – the obamabots are coming out of the woodwork!
All Hillary has to do is step forward and we’re there for her.
Any news from Berg on the lawsuit?
#205 Sunny Pa:
You have the right to feel how you feel. I still believe that HRC and WJC were being threatened with everything. I believe that WJC cares for HRC otherwise he would have openly told this party to go to hell.
I read every day comments in Associated Press articles from my own governor (who I think, thinks he has more influence than he does) that comprised of veiled and not so veiled threats to Hillary. The governor even called people who expressed any idea or concern over Obama as “childish spoiled brats” at the Young Democrats National Convention.
Now, these are things that I saw and read, personally by someone whom I’ve met and respected until now. So, we don’t know what else was out there.
I feel that Hillary and we have suffered a symbolic death. I was watching a show the other night about the politics of the 1960s and they showed RFK and talked about his coalition and how it reached out to the poor, oppressed, blue collar voters, and minorities and comprised the largest and most diverse voting bloc in democratic history, then he was killed. I cried and cried and cried. I don’t remember it, I was only 30. But, it was so symbolic. She will continue to fight for her causes and carry our voices and votes with her. But I believe what we witnessed through the lense of the media and PUMA and people we had direct contact with was a pro-longed inside coup and symbolic assissination of the CLINTONS, yes both Bill and Hillary.
But, all of that being said, I think we have all experienced extreme frustration. That is why i started my own blog to just bring up points of concern and contention regarding Senator Obama because I felt she wasn’t doing it and when she did, the race card was being used to slice and dice both of them and their followers.
It is my deepest desire to see Hillary run again in 2012 and to see an immediate small crumb of gratification of watching those fu-kers elect her to Senate Majority Leader next year.
Maxgrader – funny – I guess in defense of Rodham – I have been watching and lurking the last two days myself – I noticed that Rodham has tried several times to get a project going – to keep people occupied – to work together as a group and in fact trying to reinforce what Murphy herself tried to do earlier – no one – no where – no how – paid any attention to her request – UNTIL she wrote something negative – and you pounced right on it – that is sad – and I am not pinpointing you – it has happened to many others as well in the last two weeks that are now gone – thinkers and doers – Sorry meant nothing by my comments directed to you – but think about what I said above
Snowtiger – right on!
162#
COMMENTED THAT LINK~
158# SISTERLUCK~ AND I USED YOUR COMMENT TO POST THERE~
37 ladyhawkke
Obama doesn’t kill animals, he just destroys people…
#248 bruce55555
This is called kicking someone when they are down. Unfortunately for them PUMAS aren’t down and they are apt to get their foot bitten off.
Murphy – you were great on Hardball tonight – but I must admit – you should at least try to smile – the message is easier to swallow when someone with a spoon and a smile is coming at you……(if you must, keep you lips closed- but I’m sure your teeth are fine)!
lol
#9 Asian4Hillary….I love you! Thank you for being with us.
#244 john
Good one!
#244 john on 08.29.08 at 9:45 pm
Obama was responsible in part for sending taxpayer money to private interests, aka housing for the poor and school “reform”, with poor results
REPOSTING FROM DOWNSTAIRS..
#872- ((((((((ANNA7000)))))))
$876- ((((((((LADYHAWKKE)))))))
what they said… and here’s my 2 cents too
Even though things may have begun to settle down a little bit.. I still think some of the things said on here today are horrible!!!!
I am a Democrat. I’ve been a Democrat for over 40 years. I am not a Republican. I am most assuredly not a troll. I do not now nor have I EVER supported Nobama. From the beginning I supported HRC and… yes, I still do, 1000%. I don’t understand everything they are doing, but I trust her and because I do, I trust she believes she has a good reason for what she is doing.
That said.. I will not VOTE for Nobama… but I am having a hard time voting for a Republican. An agonizing time, actually. I have NEVER voted Republican in my entire life.. my parents and my grandparents and their parents, etc were Democrats.. members of the Union, specifically Bricklayers. I grew up on all that. I do not see why so many here are at least BORDERLINE ATTACKING people who are expressing hesitation about voting for Senator McCain. I may do that. I am just not sure at this juncture. But for goodness sake, why would it not be an agonizing choice for me!!! Why is it not possible for it to be an agonizing or even impossible choice for others???
Again, I believe a lot of people are merely stoked up and want to do what they believe is the very best to punish the DNC and the Democratic Party and Nobama.. etc., Dean, all the others, for the fraud they have perpetuated on the voters.. on US, loyal, steadfast Democrats who have and still do support the issues that the Democratic Party is supposed to stand for.. I still stand for those issues!!!
But NO ONE, NOT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, NOT HOWARD DEAN, NOT NANCY PELOSI, NOT DONNA BRAZILLE, AND NOT EVEN HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON TELLS ME HOW TO VOTE!!! and that has to include fellow members of Puma Pac. I know that we are all stirred up and angry.. absolutely!!! feeling betrayed??? ME TOO!!!!
I 100% agree with what MURPHY AND MAMA PUMA AND MARYLAND PUMA have all said.. discuss, debate, but do NOT ATTACK. Before someone says they haven’t been attacking, I’m not saying you all have been attacking.. many have expressed their belief that everyone SHOULD do what they believe is best.. that’s great… but there are some who are ARGUING with people who state they would abstain from voting for President or stay at home or vote 3rd party.. AND THAT’S AGAINST THE RULES!!!!
Please, please, I am seriously asking everyone to step back and think!!! This is a WONDERFUL BLOG.. it needs to continue to be wonderful…
WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS, REMEMBER THAT..
NOBAMA, NO WAY, NO HOW.. WE WILL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER.
CYBERFERRET 52
Thank you so much, I had in mind to go looking for that quote today. Yes, will use it well. Thanks again.
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#219 CyberFerret52 on 08.29.08 at 9:35 pm Pumas… feel free to post this ‘wherever’, if you think it will help you withe Roe v. Wader’s.
This is chief justice John Roberts statement on the case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Roberts
It is about one third way down the page. In effect John Roberts states that in Roe v. Wade has established precedence and is to be respected as such. Stare decisis is what it is (the policy of the court to stand by precedence.)
wow, I really can’t believe I was just talked to like that by hillaryhead.
OKAY…
Hillaryhead – you are vicious with your comments – MAMA and the sad thing you have attacked at least three of my fellow pumas that I have worked on many many many projects with – have no idea what you have done behind the scenes – but they have all contributed much to this pac – please do not come on so strong as a new poster – thank you for your cooperation.
#246 Snowtiger – just wait for the sexism to start on the beauty queen Sarah. Would they dare? I would have to go in a cave for the next four years if that were to happen. I truly couldn’t stomach that…
251 Lorelai
I tell you something else Lorelai,
I think the repubs will finally get their act together on this whole womans rights issue. They won’t suddenly turn into liberals,but in their own way, I think they will address the overall concerns about this filthy assault on Senator Clinton. Remember, this woman is a sitting U.S. Senator.
The utter disrespect to Hillary as a person, a senator, a mother and a leader is disgusting to the nth degree.
Imo anyway.
Okay folks.
When you get it together and are ready to organize and work, you know the couple of places to find me.
DEM4HILLARY -
email MamaPumamass@aol about that matter. I have.
K.
Party Unity My Arse – seems appropriate
#252 SouthJerseyPUMA on 08.29.08 at 9:48 pm
Awesome, thanks!
248 bruce55555 on 08.29.08 at 9:47 pm
very much so, shows how trully immensely scared they are.
#267 Me too K – but seems Mama is having dinner – maybe on that one we are all complaining about
The gift that keeps on giving:
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/08/clintons-primary-remarks-not-convention.html
BROTHER2040~
ARE YOU A BOT IN HIDING? I HEARD THE COMMENT WHEN MADE AND NEVER THOUGHT THAT PALIN WAS CALLING HILLARY A WHINER~ GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT OR DONT BOTHER TO POST INFO THAT YOU HAVENT RESEARCHED!!!!!!!!!
thanks to southjerseypuma for posting on the superdelegate blog in Knoxville, TN… It was great.
265 Lorelai
Oh they will dare all right. And they will pay a great price for that. It is obvious to me, an independent, that the dncs support for equal rights is just a political tool. Not a real comittment ( however you spell that. lol)
The reality is that the minute it became inconvenient to challenge sexism the dnc and others went into hiding.
Thank you Gogandalf- I was responding to something Murphy herself said on the radio show tonight. What’s up with this personal attack stuff- Mama would put us back in “time out” again.
I will not threaten to check out, I will keep coming back, take what I need, give what I can, and leave the rest behind- but thanks for your support
#249 Dem4Hillary
I’m not trying to change anyone’s feeling…just stating my own.
#276 Lorelai
You go girl!!
If you can’t vote Republican then vote for someone else, but stop getting outraged because some have decided to vote McCain and are okay with it. Sheesh.
I believe that Hillary is currently the most powerful Democrat and the most powerful WOMAN in the USA. Without her the main candidates cannot win. With her, they look weak by comparison. She can have any job she asks for, except for president. They are so greedy that she can’t have that, even is she earned it. So she gets to be the powerful one. They get to be the losers.
I am of the opinion that if we have a strong democratic congress and senate, that will balance out a republican in the White House. Right now, I don’t want some of the dems that are in the legislative branch to be there. They are corrupt and rotten. We saw that. But we also don’t need another republican congress rubberstamping everything their party does in the executive branch.
What we really need is new blood in the democratic side. And we need to keep our little group going. We have a chance to do some really positive things. I hope we can set some valid goals all focus on them. It is inevitable that some of us feel more strongly about some issues than others. Each of us are humans and have a brain that works. As long as we are united in our quest to reform the system, we will be ok. If we attack each other, we will disappear.
Heneri
Dang, some of y’all need to chill out and put the claws in …
Aren’t y’all suppose to be fighting with me since I’m the token eviiiiillllle Republican around here? Lol
Seriously though, I suggest stepping away from the computer for a few mins. if you’re upset before you respond. PUMA is very unique and there are many eyes on this blog so let’s show the world that we can take the high road around here.
My 2 cents.
PUMAS!!! I saw Darragh on Matthews!!!!! And she gave great answers!!!!! WOOT! And apparently good enough that even Michelle “We’ll riot” Bernard had nothing negative to say!!! Btw, The new site doesn’t seem to work. http://www.thenewdemocraticparty.org/
All it says to me is Index of / Is something wrong??
anyway, GO PUMAS!!! Maybe I won’t just quit and go quiet. It is my party too dang it! Equality all around I say!
But danger lies in they who lean too far towards either side of the spectrum. EX: Far Left, Far Right.
SunnyPA – THANK YOU TOO!!!!! I have to admit, I was blindsighted by that earlier post -so co-dependent….
I always have this joke that I’m so co-dependent that if I were in France, and everyone was speaking French, my comment would be “This must be my fault”…..
But,I’m getting better….lol
#276 Lorelai – don’t worry – it won’t be long now
Ok peeps.
The trolls and bots are out everywhere trying to put the coffin lid on PUMA and anyone else who dares challenge the Chosen one. We know that. Plus we all know the rules here.
We are not so easily divided.
Stick together. For those who may need it and for all the new PUMAS who are just lurking,( i know you are there I can here you breathing) Here yet again, I present to you , ladies and gentle men, childrenfall ages, even the trolls and bots,
my all time favorite you tube video,
Lord of the Democrats,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oajdDnYDnwM
I’m really angry with David Gergen on CNN. But, seriously, they do continue to disregard clinton democrats.
#258 hillaryhead on 08.29.08 at 9:49 pm
delphineinfrance, I am waiting to hear what region of France you live in? Do you know what a region is?
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whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!! HOLD ON HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!
delphineinfrance HAS BEEN AN IMPORTANT CONTRIBUTOR IN THIS BLOG SINCE DAY ONE AND YOU CAN AND WILL NOT DISRESPECT HER HERE!!!!
I JUST DONT KNOW WHO SOME OF THE PEOPLE HERE THINK THEY ARE!!
THAT WAS JUST A TOTAL IGNORANT REMARK TO
delphineinfrance~
UN-CALLED FOR!!!!!!!!!!
#281 mick
Dives on evil Mick the republican.
Murphy…on the video the commentator said nationally there are about 10,000 Pumas. Think I have heard there are MANY, MANY more than that….into the milions as Will Bower has said. Maybe he was only talking about this site??? Can you clarify??? Thanks.
And wow..you must have had a busy day with all the interviews. GET SOME REST!!!!
#286 hillaryhead
What are you talking about? What disease?
hillaryhead
you know what ? i have a BIG problem with you. i have gone back and reread all your posts from today, you make statements/accusations, and when asked to verify your information you ignore the post.
Mama, Murphy, MP—–!!!!!!!!!!
eyes are watching
Mama are you checking your mail tonight – we need help -
#283 Lorelai
ROFLMAO … this blog is insane right now
#284 Gogandalf
I’m patiently waiting for it to end (that’s what a couple of martinis will do)
How does one get a job as a paid blogger?!?!?
Goandersen – Mama will take care of this soon I have to believe
SunnyPa – I don’t know – but I sure can refer you to someone that can advise
Delphine is one of our most beloved contributors and advocates and has done more in Europe than anybody else on this blog probably.
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We need and intervention here. I have been insulted. Others have been insulted. It’s time to ACT.
Hi gogandalf!
Loved hearing your voice asia4hillary and millie!!
I am voting for Sarah Palin, just to show the pricks, they fucked up. Fuck …Obama, Axelgrease, Dean, Pelosi, Brazille, MSNBC, and the paid off super delegates from the Obama campaign.
GO Sarah Go!! Watch the conservative Right treat her like a lady and with respect. Not like what these liberal jack offs did to Hillary Clinton…I quit the democratic party after 22 years. I am now an Indy…
hillaryhead on the way out — sorry folks.
the blog is insane — many newcomers and not all of them are good guys.
Question for anyone in Missouri:
Will Claire McCaskill be up for reelection this year? She really needs to be one of the Dems voted out of office.
Follow up question — can you also indicate if the mood in your state feels the same way?
Gogandalf- hope Mama comes back to the den soon- I may have to take my marbles and come back tomorrow! Yikes…..crazy night!
SunnyPa – glad to make you smile. I say, if you can’t laugh at yourself, what’s the point?
Wise Women Be Smart: I respectfully disagree with your comments. I didn’t hear Murphy on Hardball, but I think we are looking a gift horse in the mouth. McCain is doing more than Obama who told us to get over it, that our votes did not count, that our votes were not even necessary. Yes, he wants our votes, but what is wrong with that. He has from the beginning acknowledged that Obama is the selected nominee.
Ladyhawke, PUMA’s said this was bigger than Hillary. I agree with that. I would not wish that the McCain Administration fail because if it fails, the country suffers. We have exposed the corruption and hypocisy of the DNC who has dismissed us, ignored us, and continually charged that we will come home. I respect everyone decision to vote or not to vote for McCain/Obama, but this is a great opporunity and the selection of Palin can be worked in our favor. Who cares what party gets into the White House at this point. It will open the door for all women of all parties, and isn’t that not the bigger picture? I suggest we work to reform both parties and work across the aisle.
Peace,
Flower
Remember the rules everyone. Anyone who is constantly violating them is most likely not one of us.
Easy does it.
Obama runs into one of his supporters. The young man is almost in shock. He drops to his knees and says “I will serve you all my life. You tell me what to do and I will do it. I will follow you to the ends of the earth!! If you will just allow me to!!”
Bo replies. “Yes but, whats in it for me? ”
Now someone post the walking eagle one.
Bo replies
Go vote at Greta Wire http://gretawire.foxnews.com/
Thank you Murphy – you were great tonight as always.
Thank Goodness…thanks Murphy!
Thanks, Murphy. I was about to call it quits.
Murphy rides to the rescue.
Oh oh – still here……..
=pokes hillaryhead with stick=
Buh bye
murphy–there’s a few more here….
and you were FANTASTIC today on tv….
Mzebest – good question – I noticed many posts above that Rodham before she quit volunteered to do just that what you asked about – start a State by State listing (as per Murphys thoughts about the good guys that are Dems)for those BAD guys that are up for re-election this year – most of us may know our own states but not everyone elses like you just brought up – I too would like to know the extent of it on a national level – there is so much good we could do with that information.
Snowtiger, love the jokes. Fresh air. On that happier note, I bid you all a goodnight. Whew!!!
anyone watching the talking bobble heads on CNN…boy were the Democrat advisors WORRIED….and boy do they look FOOLISH talking about risky vp choice with NO experience….POT CALLING KETTLE BLACK!!
THANKS MURPHY!!! HAD TO STICK UP FOR
delphineinfrance!!!!!!!!!!!
I KNEW HILLARYHEAD WAS NFG!!!
SEE YA HEAD~ DONT LET THE BLOG DOOR HIT YOU IN THE WHERE THE SUN DONT SHINE!!!
GOOD RIDDANCE!!
Nite Lin4Hill – its always good to see you here and I am going for the night as well – mission has been accomplished.
Night Lin4hill
Night go
#287 snowtiger on 08.29.08 at 10:09 pm
#281 mick
Dives on evil Mick the republican.
Uh oh, … um, did I say No Way, No How, NObama yet?
Whoa. I ventured over to Nobama’s page and abcnews comments. The bots are freaking over McCain’s VP pick. Already bashing her like they did Hillary. I highly doubt most of them even know who she is yet. The sexism has started again. They are running scared. Their arguments so far are she has no experience (hmm, interesting since she has executive experience as a governor and Nobama has NADA and he’s running for Pres), the Roe v Wade scare tactic, and the typical sexist propaganda we’ve already heard too much.
#283 mzebest:
Claire McCaskill was elected two years ago. So, she won’t be up this November.
Tennessee will be overwhelmingly voting for McCain. I’ve seen tons of obama stuff, here. But, we did an all out swoop of the town for Kerry Edwards and for Al Gore (and I apologize because if not for TN Gore would have been president). But, Bush won both times by double digits.
As far as within the party, I believe there are some who feel as I do and in fact, i’ve been told as much. However, they like their positions in the party. They want to have political futures, etc and so they have said to the media that when the times comes to unify, that they will. However, I saw a NYtimes letter to editor from Tennessee yesterday that was mildly blasting DNC over Hillary so that made me happy. I have several friends who will not be voting Obama this year. But, I’m fairly confident McCain is going to win every state from KY and OH down to Fla. I just don’t see Obama picking up these states, even with major AA support because the republicans will be motivated to come out and vote and will outvote the AA voters.
296 Gogandalf
Thanks… I’m hoping someone does help to organize that information. Like you, I’m very curious to know. I don’t even know which elections these people will be up for reelection. I want to follow it. Everytime I see people like McCaskill speak on TV — it reignites the flame of anger and I want to silence them — the way they tried to silence us by ignoring our votes.
#303 mick
Hmmm. Ok. I will still dive on you. However I will go on the atkins diet for a week first.
Hey I’m all heart.
Me too- lest I become responsible for some other thing going wrong or troll appearance….This must be my fault!
It’s also like that old joke-if I were dying, someone else’s life would flash in front of my eyes – more codependence! rofmml (rolling on floor making myself laugh)……Night guys…and thanks again for your support!
One of the things I like MOST about Palin, and this goes into what PUMA is fighting for, is that she said she is TIRED of party politics and radicals on both sides fighting so much that the REAL work of politicians is pushed to the wayside. She is A MODERATE and wants to work and has worked CROSS PARTY LINES for the good of the people…
THIS IS JUST WHAT WE NEED TO make CHANGE and give HOPE….
the fact that she is a woman just makes it even sweeter!!
Is it true Carpathia has pulled his advertising from certain states? If so maybe we can do a recruitment drive in those states.
PA, OHIO, and FL…we need to hit these states hard with not only recruitment but with VIGILANCE (like people w/ guns) regarding voter fraud…
#305 Dem4Hillary
“Claire McCaskill was elected two years ago. So, she won’t be up this November.”
Thanks for your information. I know this may be a dumb question — but I don’t know how many years are applied for each office (other than President). So which year will McCaskill be up for election again?
My vote for McCain will be a protest vote. My hope was that Hillary would be the first VP, but it will be best if she is the first President of the USA.
I was happy to meet all of the PUMAs in Denver. I do not remember all of the names, but I do remember your lovely faces. Dances with PUMAs was very helpful at the HQ.
I will not be able to stay on line, so good night to all.
Good night everyone- it has been a hard week and exhausting and I’m eternally grateful to all our hard worker bees who have brought us this far -tomorrow is a new day and we will be wonderful to each other ….
#308 Lorelai
Yes Lorelai it is your fault. It is your fault the dncs plans have come to naught. It is your fault Carpathia will go down hard.
Yes you are responsible for many many things. That why we love you .Gnight.
HI JENNI~
YES THE INEXPERIENCE CRACKS MAKE ME SO $#%$!&*#!
GRRRRRRRRRRROWLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? SHE HAS HAD MORE EXPERIENCE AS A GOVERNOR MAKING DECISIONS FOR ALASKA THEN BO HAS HAD IN 143 DAYS IN SENATE!!!!!!!!!!
SHOWS THE MENTALITY OFF BOTS!! AND LIKES~
134 hillaryhead
I agree with you completely – McCain carefully watched what was happening during the Dem. Convention. And like I said the night of Hillary’s speech, her wearing that orange pantsuit and carville wearing those pumas was not an accidnet – they were trying to tell US something. McCain figured it out – hence, palin…
#283 mzebest:
Oh you mean leaders! haha I want gov bredesen to eat sh-t. he is from NY and is philosphically much closer to the Clintons and harold Ford Jr. (of whom he did NOTHING for) than Nobama.
This area is all republican so, no superdelegate probs here. The superdelegates throughout the rest of the state went with their constituencies.
I say we also go after state party chairpeople who endorsed the person opposite of how their state voted. That happened in Tennessee. Gray Sasser freaking gave this rousing endorsement of obama after Hillary won 53% of the vote. Now you would THINK that a Democratic state party chairperson would represent the Democrats from their state. What pissed me off even more was that i stood right next to him while he got a VIP seat when Big Dog came to nashville to talk to us about Hillary. Damn jerks. They paraded around in front of Bill Clinton, got VIP seating, and NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER stood up with Tennessee voters for voting for Hillary.
I am totally impressed with Sarah Palin, she may not be Hillary R. Clinton but she is Hillary’s first cousin, in other words she is of the same ilk.
She is so impressive, intelligent, real, and she governed Alaska with honesty and integrity and guess what she does not us a teleprompter.
Don’t be yelling at me because I am totally affected by Sarah Palin.
The DNC will be and should be in a panic, and I do not think she is going to be a push-over when she debates against Biden….
This is going to be a very interesting and exciting general election.
315 Snowtiger – you’re a riot….that must be my fault
good night!
oh my god…. CNN I hate CNN. They said “the clintons gave it a heck of a try” regarding Bill and Hillary uniting the party.
God, their interspercing each of their speeches with each other. Good god, I’m crying. Our leaders were absolutely taken out.
**FYI only**
Someone posted today or yesterday that McCain was not going to stick with the public funding. “Wrong”
How do I know – I called a GOP office. He can only use private funds up until midnight on the 4th and then he is restricted with the $$ amount of campaign public funding. I may be wrong – I even googled it, but I don’t think one of the GOPs would lie about it.
I received an email from Women Count which included the following request:
“Much will also be written about Gov. Palin’s years on the PTA, that she describes herself as a “hockey mom,” and how she juggles her professional life with the demands of her five children. Gov. Palin herself has already referred to Hillary’s “18 million cracks” in the glass ceiling and her own new place in history. We want to hear from you.
Tell us how you feel about the choice of Gov. Palin as the GOP vice presidential nominee.”
http://app.icontact.com/icp/sub/survey/take
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I wrote the following at their survey link:
I am so proud of John McCain for this courageous choice, and so disappointed with the Democratic party for having an equally if not more qualified candidate and passing her up because she was a woman.
Good for McCain, he has my vote this November. I’ve been a Democrat all my life and religiously voted for Democrats since first eligible to vote. I never missed going to the polls to vote either. But this is the first year that I witnessed such atrocious voter fraud at the hands of a Democratic candidate, Barack Obama. This is the first year I’ve witnessed such blantant sexism at the hands of this candidate with the sanction of the DNC leadership. This is the first year I’ve witnessed such over inflated arrogance from an under inflated qualified candidate. The damage that has been done by his candidacy alone will take years to repair. I hate to think how much damage he could do if he succeeded to take the office of the most powerful man of the world. I will do everything in my power to prevent him from ever realizing this goal. I will use the power of my vote if Obama doesn’t steal that power too — as he did in the primary caucuses and the nomination Roll Call vote at the convention by selecting himself as the candidate. And shame on the DNC for allowing it to happen. Shame on the DNC to giving so much power to a “presumptive” nominee before he was an “official” nominee.
Have you ever cheated at playing solitaire? If so, maybe you can understand the question of what satisfaction can Senator Obama and the DNC take in displaying the fraud narrative of winning something in which it was never really won?
The irony is, he’s not capable of change, only corruption. He’s not the antithesis of Bush, but more like the extension of Bush. He’s not a great orator, but rather the great imposter and plagiarist. He’s not a liberal, he’s a radical marxist. But the biggest irony is his actions seem to indicate he really dispises women — not embraces them.
So thank you Senator McCain for being a true maverick and embracing all the attributes that are lacking in Senator Obama and have them gloriously represented in one woman for your choice as VP. That’s extraordinary. Bravo!
Sleep well Lorelai
God, they they just were, damn CNN….
MURPHY
About the discussion on the radio about Hillary as Senate Majority Leader – that position is not longer as powerful as it was in the past. It’s more an administrative job and is like herding cats. Look at the really strong senators and none of them have been majority leaders in recent times. Besides she is not the most popular person among the dem senators right now and they might block her if she tries to get the job.
#304 Sisterluck on 08.29.08 at 10:24 pm : Wow thank for the info on the O’s site. They should be freaking out. Yes, the bashing will continue and so will the women hate speech. Obama and his thugs and hooligans could have picked senator Clinton; they did not; McCain picked Palin. Check Mate.
303 mick – I love your humor. Also, you provide details, etc., which I like
#319 Dem4Hillary
If cnn is giving kudos to Bill and Hillary that is a good thing. Now Carpathia can’t blame them for the split. It now falls on him.
goandersen!!
#282 murphy Thank you!
goandersen!!
that was me saying hi!
CHECK-MATE!!!!!!!!
I LOVE IT!! LMAO!!!
Mzebest – I will take on that project for us all – will devote the weekend to find out who is up for re-election for each state – post the names and HOPEFULLY someone from those states can tell us if good or bad guy -
SNOWTIGER – that is a great idea regarding which states he has pulled his ads – we can make a big presence there -
I really was leaving but forgot to turn off the computer and noticed your email to me Mzebest.
Now I am not lurking really going to bed – I have a big project to start on tomorrow – will keep me busy – out of trouble and no eating trolls, just gives up upset stomach – all the fur balls and all. Good night.
#327. I don’t think Heck of try is appropriate language to truly describe what they did. I think Carville said it better with hillary set the table for obama.
Personally, I wish they would tell it like it is: President Clinton and Senator Clinton went out of their way and above and beyond the call of duty. They urged the supporters of Senator Clinton to support Obama. I’m sick and tired of this question of whose responsibility is it to win this election? It is Obama’s and they never freaking point that out and continue to undercut the Clintons commitment to this party.
Obama needs to call the media off now about this. It is absolutely beyond ridiculous. We know obama has the power to call CNN off the Clintons.
Brother 2040 – I just watched the video and it doesn’t change anything.
I didn’t particularly like what Gov. Palin had to say but now she is in Hillary’s shoes, so to speak, so let’s see how she handles it. Maybe she will handle it better after seeing what Hillary went through.
Either she handles it better or she will be seen as a hypocrite. Let’s see how it goes before judging her too harshly.
A lot of folks in Hillary’s own party said things worse about her, much, much worse.
MZEBEST~ WHAT A GREAT LETTER!!! I SHARE YOUR FEELINGS ALSO!!!
KUDOS!
Hey slypuma,
lorelai,
dem4hillary!
snowtiger — you asked me a question earlier and my answer is — I’m not sure. I am a party person. But not mindlessly — I liked Bill Weld when he was gov of MA — I was too young to vote for him (i think) —
I know I’ll never be a Republican.
321 Dem4Hillary
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Dem4 Hillary, you should not waste your precious time watching CNN, they only stir you spirit and disturbed your peace of mind.
CNN has never and will never give the Clintons just due but to tell you the truth no one believes anything they say except the Kool-Aid drinkers.
They know now how they royally F*** Up by crowning Obama and they are dead in the water.
I never watched Fox until the primaries and the only tv station that was fair to Hillary was Fox. I only watch Fox now and they have the highest rating because the deliver the news they don’t create it….
Turn off CNN, keep your peace of mind and know by doing that you also lower their viewer ratings. That should bring a smile to your face.
ok, no response that i can see. Site http://www.thenewdemocraticparty.org/
not working??
#336 murphy
Thanks Murhpy. I was just wondering where you were going with the New Democratic Party.
Hopefully you will be successful.
Murphy
Hey Hey..
#337 TerryDo
HA, you are right. I know, I know. I had it on and I am just shocked because it’s like okay we have to get our once an hour back stabbing on the Clintons.
hey Murphy
#332 Gogandalf
LOL on the fur ball comment.
I’m still here lurking – feel safer now…
Thanks for great show Murphy-don’t know how you do everything you do and still manage to stay sane.
Goodnight my friends. oh – and mzebest – GREAT LETTER
Now being discussed on No we Won’t and check the comments
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/stalking-pumas-in-denver/
#334 ladylo43
A lot of folks in Hillary’s own party said things worse about her, much, much worse.
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AND MAY 18 MILLION FLEAS INFEST THE BEDS OF THOSE WHO DID~
I disagree with the person who said there is no power in Senate Majority Leader. I watched Bill frist power his agenda through the Senate. I watched him end debate. I watched him schedule bills he wanted and never schedule bills he didn’t want.
i believe this position would be great for Hillary.
I really hope she has not agreed to any post in obama’s cabinent because truly, that will put her out of the light and out of the path to truly make the changes and pass the legislation that she carries for us.
Good Evening Pumas,
I have tried posting all day and I think one made it thru. I’ve been reading thru all the posts and seeing the emotions running high and know that I have felt each and every one. I have so much that I want to say, and really don’t know how to put it all into words. I am a democrat from a family of democrats who have never voted for a Republican. When I first thought about voting for one, if Hillary was on the top of the ticket, it made me sick to even let the thought cross my mind. The one thing that I always knew was that no matter what, I would not ever vote for the selected one. I didn’t like him from the first time that I saw him debate Senator Clinton. When the roll call ended, I cried like a baby. I was devastated because deep down, I thought my party would not stoop to the level that they did. I thought the horrible wrong would be made right. It wasn’t. The party that I have supported all my life has deserted me. If a female isn’t worth anything, then they sure don’t need my vote. That made me realize, that I shouldn’t feel so bad for considering a vote for McCain. I don’t agree with all of the issues, but then again, I don’t agree with all the issues of the Democrats. One of which is the right to bear arms, that they want to take away. I did not make my decision lightly and know how torn so many of us are over this. But, the one thing we are all united in, is the right to vote for whomever we want to. That is our right. I lost a contract because I voted against the idioit in office, so I of all people know how crooked they can be. I think that’s one of the reasons that I took this fight for Hillary so personal. It has consumed me. I know that’s history, but by heck, making the ONC accountable isn’t. We can continue to fight this fight together or we can let them win by turning us against each other. We cannot let that happen. I haven’t posted a lot, but have done the prowls, etc. Whatever that I could. I lurk more than I post, but that doesn’t mean that I am not active nor does it mean that I don’t appreciate each and everyone of you for all your hard work, support, and being there to understand how we all feel. Now on a lighter note, those that want to vote for McCain or a third party, or not vote at all, simply drive with your lights on in the day time. All those for the selected one, drive with your lights off at night, and I think it will all resolve itself. Have a good night Pumas.
#335 SouthJerseyPUMA
Thanks. I never feel that Women Count has truly laid it out for me if they are an independent force for change… or if they now represent Obama’s narrative of change. So I thought I would lay it out for them at least so there’s no denying which side of the coin I stand on. And if they’re in Obama’s pocket — I want them to know it’s a dangerous place to be.
I meant to say if Hillary wasn’t on the top of the ticket………senior moment there.
WARNING: Off topic rant coming ~
Blowhard Michael Moore actually said this today, “I was just thinking that Gustav is proof that there is a God in heaven …” Unfreakinbelievable!!!
Take a look ~ http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/29/michael-moore-this-hurricane-is-proof-that-there-is-a-god-in-heaven/
I’m sitting here tonight in south LA worrying my a** off that I may lose my home and my community and this jacka** says something like this and gets a pass on it???
I sat here and cried this morning on this 3 yr. anniversary of hurricane Katrina, remembering all the people who died in that storm, who lost soooo much … I volunteered for 3 months at my church were we had 100s of N.O. evacuees, and I sat and listened to their horror stories … how could this idiot be so insensitive?
Just another example of MSNBC going down the tubes.
Due to my religion I must keep hate out of my heart but I realllllly despise Michael Moore.
Rant ovah!
Okay, back to despising Obama.
vid on Palin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXfiOSCfY44
I apolgize in advance – this will be a little long. I just read through today’s comments and want to add a few thoughts.
I don’t feel a need to respond or react to the really mean-spirited comments – I simply move onto the next one. I choose to skip over the negative & rude comments as I doubt that these individuals are sincere about PUMA.
Some of those writing are probably deliberately trying to create dissension while others may want to try to project PUMAs as being ill-mannered and still others may just enjoy seeing if they can get negative reactions started. If we ignore and don’t engage it will kind of take the wind out of their efforts more effectively.
If someone wishes to disagree in a manner that is not hurtful and insulting – then that’s great and we can have an exchange of ideas & a good dialogue. But for those who simply want to say mean things – I say let it go and read the next person’s comment.
Let’s stay focused and use this resource as it was intended and not let ourselves be taken off target. I’m thinking that some of the comments probably are written by someone who doesn’t even share our common agenda.
If we can avoid using up all our space ranting back at these few, then we can keep our message alive and visible for those who are reading our site with a serious intent to learn about PUMA.
Eventually those others will realize this may not be the right place for them and they will move on to annoy some other blog.
Our goal with the Dem convention was to have more people learn of PUMA and to know more about our purpose & goals. Thanks to those who were able to go to Denver (and those of us who could not travel but contributed funds to support the effort) – PUMA is now much better known. That means more people are probably checking out this site. Let’s not lose this opportunity to make our case by using up our energies & space arguing with commenters who are not about the things that matter to us.
I personally know of several people who have started to read our comments since the recent Dem convention, and so I suggest we want to provide content on here that will invite our new participants to join in and to be active. We want them to see enough relevant discussion so that they will feel comfortable to ask questions and learn more about the issues and the future actions.
I say Welcome to all the new folks who are visiting for the first time – we look forward to hearing from you soon. Please don’t view a few negative comments as representative of what this group is about. My experience is that most the time the comments on here are informative, thought-provoking, sometimes so funny you laugh until your sides hurt and other times you read something that really speaks to you & how you feel/think.
Over the months I’ve received many good ideas for things I can do in my community; I’ve had my thinking expanded by being open to others perspectives; I’ve been led to links at other sites with some really good stuff I would not have found on my own; and it has felt good to be a part of a group where people who are very diverse can come together around a common set of issues.
Lol I got lost and posted down stairs.
as far as Palin’s comments on Hillary I think it’s important to note that the comment was made in March and those of is here know that it got much worse after that. it’s also important to note that a lot of people weren’t paying attention and didn’t see how bad and ridiculous it really got. I’m certainly not defending her comments, but i’m willing to give her the benefit of the doubt on this one.
MURPHY
I asked 2 questions about the new democrat group much earlier today and have sent several emails. If you are not ready to answer, okay, but I’ll ask them again here:
BigCatLover on 08.29.08 at 2:46 pm
MURPHY
What are you changing with the new party? Our goals or our independent status? I like the name Puma and I am not embarrassed to be known as a puma and don’t feel it is irrelevant now.
Slyt2 is also confused about what is being proposed:
slyt2 on 08.29.08 at 3:08 pm
#136 goandersen hey welcome back
#166 alohapuma and #132 BigCatLover I agree and I am a little confused. I did receive the email and went to click on it to see more about it and it said something about error or something try again.
#344 Lorelai and #335 SouthJerseyPUMA
Thanks.
#348 bluegrasstrina
Welcome. And I found the thoughts you shared with us touching. I think we all felt Hillary Clinton was our hope to grasp what we wanted this country to be again. She always talks about us reaching our G-d given potential but I thought of her as the true means for OUR COUNTRY to reach it’s G-d given potential. And to me the DNC not only stole our votes but stole that dream. That’s unforgiveable.
#351 mick on 08.29.08 at 10:52 pm
Hey Mick…..I’m in Houston so I hope neither of us gets hit but it’s looking bad
I wish Gustav would beat it. My prayers are with you!
Michael Moore is a disgusting blowhard who gets too much press. What an idiot.
#348 bluegrasstrina wrote
Now on a lighter note, those that want to vote for McCain or a third party, or not vote at all, simply drive with your lights on in the day time. All those for the selected one, drive with your lights off at night, and I think it will all resolve itself. Have a good night Pumas.
Roflmao. Just great.
Time to go. Have a good night all.
#359 snowtiger on the repost of #348 bluegrasstrina
that cracked me up
Thanks #358 Sisterluck. Prayers and a cyber hug for you. Houston was soooo good to LA after Katrina. Let’s hope that where ever the storm lands that the damage be minimal with no lose of life.
357 mzebest
Thanks, they did steal our dream, but their nightmare is just beginning.
359 snowtiger, glad you liked it. vbeg (very big evil grin)
oops, I meant loss of life.
I have a big day tomorrow so goodnight all.
So I am finally home from work and ff-ed through my TIVO news. The Dems universally seem to have a stunned, sick look on their faces. Then they point out that “no women who were for Hillary will vote for McCain Palin because they are not pro choice”. Gosh the Dems have gotten themselves addicted to throwing around Roe v Wade to scare women into submission haven’t they? Personally I am fed up with it. Birth control has improved since the 70s which seems to be where the people who run the DNC are stuck. Yeah I am pro choice, but I don’t need an abortion and I am not going to need an abortion. Here is what I do need and what the DNC can’t give me. I need a non sexist media. I need to see women participate fully in government without having the DNC stand up and repeatedly yell “shut up and sit down”. I want to see a government that is not dominated by east coast people.
And that is another thing the media ran with, “No one knows her”, “She isn’t from around here” (that is a plus idiots) “She doesn’t have any foreign policy experience”, (well either does BO but Palin can always tour Europe for 2 weeks after the election and then she will have more than BO). And I love this “Well we’ll see how she looks after the media vets her” Really? Are they going to vet her like they did BO? Because they didn’t vet him at all did they.
And finally in response to the Obot named “Wise women be smart” I am not simple dear. I have made a thought out decision to not vote Dem in this election because of the sexist fraudulent way the Dems conducted themselves in the primary. It was wrong. It was undemocratic. I have made a conscious decision to vote for McCain and I like that choice even better now that he picked Palin. Do not ever again threaten me with Roe v Wade, it makes you look simple and it is not truthful or effective.
Someone suggested earlier that Sarah Palin probably hunts bears too and do not preserve them. I know it is our human nature to make quick judgements; look, the more I do reasearch on this lady the more I like her and I think that America at large will soon feel the same: I think O camp is underestimating her as have done many of the pundits today…watch this video Saray Palin sues the government to protect the conservation of animals in Alaska. She seems to me she is a woman that just rolls up her sleeves and goes to work…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3jnbiHAMuY&feature=related
well folks, It’s 11pm. I’m exhausted. I could NOT sleep last night.
Im going to limit my posting from now on. I know the Clintons have already picked up the causes whether it’s Chelsea going back to work, President Clinton working on the many causes of his foundation which work to make our country healthier and to bring basic healthcare and raising the standard of living to Africa, and Senator Clinton I’m sure is both relived that everything is over and yet focused on the things that she wants to achieve. So, now I’m taking a page out of my leaders book. I’m going to follow their actions.
I got elected to our graduate student senate today. I’m very happy about that. I haven’t been involved in a legislative body since 2001 and I’m looking forward to finding a committee to get on.
We work on various issues including maintaining health insurance for all graduate assistants. I want to work on getting health insurance to all University of Tennessee campuses for all UT graduate assistants. I only have a 1/2 term because I’ll be leaving in December. But, I hope to a committee appointment and write and pass some piece of legislation that will improve the lives of graduate students.
In the meantime, I want to finish my thesis ASAP and I will be listing Senator Clinton in the acknowledgements because of the inspirations, contact, and drive that I obtained from working and traveling with her campaign.
So, for me to accomplish my goals in the inspiration of Senator Clinton, I must limit my time here.
thank you all for your work, passion, and commitment.
I honestly DO NOT know what i’m going to do with my vote come november. Today, I would write her name in and I’m comfortable doing that and know for a fact it would not be a vote for Obama.
it’s going to take a hell of a lot for McCain to convince me. I believe that Palin has more experience than Obama and she is the Vice Presidential nominee, not the presidential nominee. But, I am diametrically opposite of her.
Anyway, take care everybody…
Goodnight
Hey Everybody!
I haven’t blogged recently, mainly because of the errors! I hope everyone is working through their feelings. I was so upset the day of the farce of a roll call. I sat there with my 11 year old and he said why are they doing this? She had more delegates than that. He was very upset too. I didn’t even have an answer for him. It is disgusting.
As for me, I have resigned myself to voting for McCain and I am fine with it. As far as I’m concerned there is no way that it is acceptable for BO to be President. I must do my part to have the biggest impact on that. I’ll admit that I wish all of you would also do the same but I do understand that everyone has a right to their own vote and opinion. For me the clincher was not being able to explain to my son what was happening at that convention. Just my take on it, I hope everyone really puts some thought into their choice from every aspect and I hope everyone heals soon. This has been so hard.
Stopped in before I turn in and there is still a great deal of anxiety on the site. I think it is the sad events that took place at the convention and VP selection by Senator MCain. I appluad him for making this decision. He took the campaign to a level that Senator O refused to do. Reality check—the party did not want any part of Hillary on the ticket. Then they turn around and use Hillary and Bill to reel in the voters for Senator O. Both are powerful politicians, Bill and Hillary and they have chosen to move on and stick with the party. Which should be our goal also to move onto our next endeavor and wait silently until Hillary returns. No one can take her fire away from her. Mrs. Palin has just been given an opportunity that was denied Hillary, let’s not fault her and John M because the good old boy network in the Dem party refused to see what they had in their hands was pure gold. The sleeping giant will arise again. Nite all!
CNBC has a indepth interview with Sarah Palin. It was really interesting. She looks great.
I am so sick of the Dems and MSM acting like choosing a female running mate is just a stunt. They really are convinced women are dirt.
LatinPuma, I agree. The more I hear, see and read about her, the more I like her. The media and dems will try and do to her what they did to Hillary. This time, the dems will not get away with as much as before. PUMA has brought to light the sexism and put it out there. We didn’t back down. I really hope things are going to improve. The Democrats are really running scared right now.
Also, the sexism has begun,
campbell Brown was talking to Paul Begala about Palin and he said well, she must get her poise from being in beauty pageants! No idiot! That is not the only way women become poised! Campbell didn’t like that one bit, she called him on it. To think I used to like Paul!
well nothing like clearing a room.
Hi sheila7
After Mccain’s vp pick it left me thinking. Not once did Bo ever reach out to Hillary or her voter’s. It was just assumed we had no choice to vote for him and to bad if we didn’t like it.
Mccain listened to women, and in one fell swoop he slapped the Dems in the face for their treatment of women. The most important thing, he reached out to us, something the Dems never did. This tells me that he will hear women when he is in office. Words mean nothing ladies, it is action that speaks volumes.
He has earned my respect. I will listen to what he has to say.
Everyone knows this would not be possible without Hillary’s historic run and our fervent support, so let’s keep it up and know that at least someone is listening.
Paul also turned on Hillary in this primary!! I haven’t like him since the primary began. James didn’t help Hillarys cause either. He changed some during the last month..but he was just as bad as Paul. Maybe they had to to keep their jobs.
But, I haven’t been very proud of either one this primary season.
That is one of the reasons I quit watching CNN, when you can’t even see the people that you trusted to stand up for what they believe in, instead of the all mighty dollar. I have no use for them.
Hi, Murphy,
I just got through listening to the No We Won’t radio show. Is your show on No We Won’t now? I will try to tune in tomorrow.
I just want to say that I signed up for the New Democratic Party as soon as I got the email about it. Can we have “You Get What You Give” by the New Radicals as our Party theme song?
I think that the New Democratic Party is the right move at the right time. The Republicans are going full tilt now infiltrating the PUMA groups and trying to recruit everyone into the McCain camp. It’s important to reaffirm our populist principles. I am not a Democrat — I am a long-time Independent voter. But I am happy to align with the Democrats for the purpose of supporting Hillary and other honest Democrats now and in the future.
What’s going on with the New Democratic Party websites? There’s nothing on either one of them at the moment. When will they be up and running?
I look forward to working with the New Dems. Thanks for your extraordinary leadership, Murphy. And thanks again to all PUMAs who rocked Denver last week!
NYCgirl
GoAnderson: I am happy to see your posts. I missed you as we haven’t heard from you since you took off for Denver. When you have time, tell us about your experiences.
#370 tatepuma
Well said, tate.
#371 Seattlegirl
I know what you mean. And, I’m sick of the media trying to start a fight between Hillary and Palin. Evenmoreso, I hate the preception that this is “politics as usual”. If it is, we got to change the level of standards.
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Well, folks, I’ve had one drink too many. I’m going to bed.
Hey Guys n Gals,
Back to show you an absolutely must read. You’ll feel so much better…absolutely expresses everything we know :
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/29/mental-midgets-of-the-media-why-are-you-surprised/#more-4490
Hi Goandersen!
Show me one who didn’t turn on her. It seemed like every time you turned any of them on, they loved bashing her. I would get furious. The first debate, my husband said he liked #61, I got mad. Told him to watch how condensating he was to Hillary. The next debate, my husband agreed and got on the Hillary Express train with me. Toward the end, finally Fox started treating her better. That’s the only one we watch now.
Kerri — you have a rawther harsh way of putting things, but I like that. Your personality really shines through.
Plus — I’m with you. We are democrats FOR A REASON. Actually, FOR MANY REASONS. Environmental protections and reproductive choice being two of the big ones.
The fact that Sarah Palin seems like an extremely interesting, dynamic, and accomplished woman does not change the fact that she is a republican.
McCain’s move today was brilliant politically — there’s no denying it.
However, puma pac members are Protesting the Election. A vote for McCain/Palin by a Puma PAC member is a PROTEST vote.
BigCatLover — Puma PAC is not going anywhere — we are all still Pumas. The idea behind the New Democratic Party is that it is a way to describe ourselves — new democrats — because the damn media and DONC is trying its darnedest to paint us as republicans.
I really want to prevent this brilliant political move on McCain’s part from causing an exodus of Democrats INTO the Repub party of all places.
If we make love with the Repubs they WILL NOT RESPECT US IN THE MORNING.
I believe we MUST maintain our identity as a Democratic Voters’ Reform Movement. Puma PAC is the political action wing of the Puma Movement — no doubt about that.
I want a designation for Dems and Independents who are totally disgusted w/ the DONC that is NOT Republican.
We must stay Democratic in our principles.
If it turns out that an NDP designation is unnecessary and/or a duplication of mental energy — no biggie, we are ALWAYS Pumas.
I’m trying to hold the line and encourage Pumas to not jump ship to the Repub side all the way down the ballot line.
A divided government, with a STRONG Dem majority in Congress is more important than ever.
#374 sheila7 hey how you doing, I know what you mean about not being able to explain, although my 9 year old son was mad and he said they cheated her and I said Yep they did it’s sad my son even knows that.
You’re right bluegrasstrina,
I can’t think of anyone who didn’t turn on her. The only good thing to come of this is it really opened my eyes.
I don’t believe TrishFromCanada has chimed in on the incredible news of Palin being picked as VP.
Trish, it would be interesting to hear from you on this incredible story, my friend.
Look what some Naughty Puma posted on Craigslist
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/pol/819115686.html
John McCain Demonstrates Maverick Spirit (Getting Over It)
While Barack Obama is too egotistical to have a woman (more qualified than him) as his vice president, John McCain once again demonstrates his maverick spirit with his choice of Governor Sarah Palin.
Maybe Michelle Obama can now swallow the toad she was apparently choking on during Hillary Clinton’s DNC Convention Speech. But what is Barack Obama to do? After all, he did acknowledge his Grandmother and mention his Mother in his Great Oration at the Temple. What more could these women want? Respect? Democracy? Fair Elections? No, it was his Convention and he ran it the way he saw fit. After all, the Supreme Court decided that the Party did not have to answer to the Voters so why don’t all these cry babies just get over it?
Now, it looks like they can. Thank you, John McCain for having the courage to pick a woman Vice President during this controversial election.
We in the middle, need a candidate that DEMONSTRATES THROUGH ACTION that they will make balanced, progressive choices and be inclusive.
or, iow, what nycgirl #378 said.
Night SunnyPA — sleep in tomorrow and have a mimosa for breakfast.
What the heck? How many new threads in one day? No wonder I wasn’t getting any replies.
Just got this in email and it made me giggle, so I had to share it:
“Subject: Are you Anne Coulters sister?
From: “Greg
Date: Fri, August 29, 2008 8:05 pm
To: murphy@pumapac.org
Options: | Add to Addressbook
Get a frickin life you hypocrite republican plant. You will be exposed soon!! “
#376 I agree, words mean nothing I watch for behavior. And you are right McCain listened and he reached out to us. The Dems are still threatening with Roe v Wade.
slyt2,
my son said today, Well, I guess John McCain was at least smart enought to pick a woman. He is becoming quite the political pundit.
Murphy, I will remain a democrat, but will vote at the top of the ticket to protest. Watched you tonight, you did good!
Thanks for also doing such a wonderful job in Denver.
I respectfully disagree. I think McCain showed poor judgement. And I don’t know what happened to the Hillary supporteres here. It is a shame that they seem to have turned their back on her.
Hillary worked hard to get millions of votes and now someone else steps in and steals all the fanfare. What a shame.
Thanks Murphy. I’m wondering why I shouldn’t resign from the DP and sign up Independent? I know there are those who say, why to keep your voting rights for the party…but uhm. I sorta feel like I don’t HAVE any of those rights at this point and time anyway.
I’ve declared myself a PUMA democrat since joining PUMA, so I’m fine with joining NDP…not necessarily happy with remaining amongst the democratic rolls.
386 sheila7
I can’t wait to see how they all react now. I think it’s slowly sinking in that they have screwed up big time. LOL I loved seeing MO’s face during Hillary’s speech. You could see the jealous rage. I kept yelling at my husband to watch her. I loved it!!!!
And another must-read from Riverdaughter:
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/rebuilding-years/
Murphy!
Well I for one…amd excited by mccains choice…i just need a few days to clear my head to see how I feel about things!
4Hillary no one has turned their back on Hillary she is out of the race , we busted our humps trying to get her elected and take her place at the convention she didn’t want it, but she did what she felt she had to do for her future.
#396 Kerri
To borrow a phrase from the Republicans, please don’t cut and run. The Democratic party is in some bad shape but it is not beyond repair. It has been splintered before and it came back together. Hang in there.
I hear you and feel your pain, 4HIll. Seriously. Palin and Mccain aren’t fooling me. HOWEVER< you gotta give it them. HE DID step up and say…hey, I KNOW how much women will be influential in this election, as they are in our country, and I guess is courting us as it were.
I do sorta worry though, we know that Mccain’s gonna be a disastrous president. At least, I hold no hope for anything else, so my worry is that this woman as his VP will receive a lot of a negativity and might actually harm Hillary’s chances in 12.
Anyone else thought along these lines?
kerri — exactly. There are many, many like you.
You’ll always have a home with Puma PAC and ndp — we are the TRUE democratic party.
#384 Murphy I can not believe the DNC has not thought of hiring you for a consultant now or when this is over. Of course if they had any sense they wouldn’t be in this mess. I guess it is obvious that a bunch of people so stupid as to bring this on themselves would be too stupid to get themselves out of it.
murphy!
btw..thanks for sending a text back to me:)
#395 4Hillary, that isn’t McCains or PalinS fault. It is the DNCs and MSM fault!!
Are we all forgetting what Obama is….
I am not…NO WAY, NO HOW, NO OBAMA!!
Hello. This is my first time commenting here but I’ve been checking out your site for a little while now.
For the sake of disclosure, I’ll admit right up front that I am a registered Republican and a conservative. Then again, I’m really more concerned with constitutionalism than conservatism, so…there it is.
Believe it or not, the anger and let-down that you have expressed about the treatment that Hillary received and, even more, the way that your party has been run as of late is not an exclusively Democrat concern. We Republicans have experienced a great deal of letdown in recent years as well.
Frankly, so many conservative were dismayed, originally, by the choice of McCain, that many voted for Hillary instead. And, despite what Rush Limbaugh believes that he started, the conversation on the blogs, got it started. It was not about creating ‘chaos’ as Limbaugh prescribed, it was about protesting the changes to the Republican philosophy which had been thrust upon us. In that movement, the choice to vote for Hillary rather than Obama was very much based in the same arguments that I have read here. Even as a conservative, I could live with Hillary as our President, but can barely stomach the idea of Obama and now, after the way that Hillary Clinton was tossed aside in the aftermath makes me even more angry.
Today, when John McCain made it official that Sarah Palin was his choice, the satisfaction and joy I felt was far more than I had expected.
Sure, it’s exciting that she’s a woman but, to me, it’s far more exciting that she’s a woman who has raised a family while serving on her local PTA and coaching her children’s sports teams, she took a chance and ran for local office. Now, just a few years later, this woman has managed to shake loose the corrupt, the Republicans and Democrats alike, and return money to the taxpayers of her own state. And that, is inspiring.
Good Lord. She’s an honest-to-goodness, full-blown woman and today’s she’s a candidate for V.P.
In any case, I hope you don’t mind that I stopped by. I guess I just wanted to let you know that not everyone on the right thinks so differently than those of you here. I’m happy that, regardless of whom we each choose to vote for in November, that for this moment we share a common sense of celebration.
The best of luck in your endeavors.
Take care,
JMFlynny
Ario!!
hey.
4hill — I believe we are in agreement —
no worries — the hillary supporters here are still strong and united.
4Hillary,
What do you mean by turning their back on Hillary?
Murphy,
I look at it this way. This year voting for Republican John Mccain is a DEMOCRATIC way of voting…he was actually elected and he represents a more DEMOCRATIC position that BO/MO/DONC.
As far as those of you who claim to KNOW what Hillary and Bill wants, I can tell you this much. I know FIRST HAND that Bill and Hillary think BO and the DEMS who sold out are TRASH…for 2 years they have been talking about BO and how dangerous he is and I can damn well promise you that they don’t want him elected….
And, EVEN IF THEY DID, this group is about CHANGE and free thought and DEMOCRACY and NO BO. Thus, we must do the right thing in SPITE of the fact that so many cannot do it…
Seattlegirl — maybe when Harold Ickes (my hero! sigh.) is the chair of the DNC.
Until then I dont think the DONC wants ANYTHING to do with us.
Yet, with joining NDP, Murphy, I’m still listed as a democrat, right? So I mean, how effectively am I getting across to those in charge my severest disenchantment, disillussionment downright disappointment?
I can vote for anyone I choose, no matter what party I’m affiliated with, 4Hill…that doesn’t really worry me. I’ve never voted other than on presidential election days anyway. I just always did straight ticket democratic. And, of course, should the democratic party show me they aren’t lying, theiving thugs, I’d be happy to call myself one again. At this moment in time, however, I’m thoroughly disgusted.
jenniforhillary — amen sister.
#402 Kerri
If the selected one gets elected, then he will be there for 8 years and that keeps her from running in 2012. Now if McCain is elected, then she is good to go in 12. Am I making sense? As to having another republican in office, I have to ask myself, can it be any worse than having #61 in office? Now, that scares the heck out of me. So what other option do we have? Please don’t think I’m trying to convince anyone how to vote, that is not my intent. Give me your thoughts everyone, does this make any sense?
I know what your saying, but this is the way that I look at it, and goodness knows, I don’t know much.
LOL! Murphy? They don’t adore us? I’m quite surprised!
Hello PUMAS – I want to respond to Palin’s comments about HIllary whining. You are correct, she did not say that Hillary whined, Palin just said it is best to just suck it up and keep going, knowing that as a woman you are expected to outperform to succeed. Having been in situations where I too was asked “to suck it up and keep going” , I understand that younger women ( I am 58) understand they have to suck it up to succeed, but as you get older (as Hillary is) you just get tired of it. No more sucking it up, you call it like it is, and you get more vocal. I understand Hillary’s point of view. Towards the end (this week) Hillary finally did just suck it up, and follow the program, which was really sad to see.
Hillary regardless of who win or loses ( I will vote for McCain), will have an influential placein our country. She no longer has to demand respect, she commands it. She has earned it for herself, without regard to her husband. She will either lead the senate, or get a cabinet post. And in 2012 she will be our president. She can start being our president now, by leading the senate. I will always support Hillary
THanks murphy. Good job on Hardball.
But I think that McCain is pandering to women. And I actually feel insulted that he chose a woman that he only met in person once before today. He thinks women are so desperate that we will accept anyone.
#389 murphy
I cant wait for Greta to come on! I cant wait to see what she has to say!!
ROFL
Geesh, you PUMAs are everywhere … I just did a quick look on Michelle Malkin’s site and found this post on her main thread ~
Post #821
On August 29th, 2008 at 11:26 pm,
fred5676 said:
PUMA’s still going strong against Obama and FOR Palin, and therefore, almost McCain.
News coverage opinion from their web site:
Dem4 Hillary,
“you should not waste your precious time watching CNN, they only stir you spirit and disturbed your peace of mind.
CNN has never and will never give the Clintons just due but to tell you the truth no one believes anything they say except the Kool-Aid drinkers.
They know now how they royally F*** Up by crowning Obama and they are dead in the water.
I never watched Fox until the primaries and the only tv station that was fair to Hillary was Fox. I only watch Fox now and they have the highest rating because the deliver the news they don’t create it….
Turn off CNN, keep your peace of mind and know by doing that you also lower their viewer ratings. That should bring a smile to your face.”
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/08/29/palin-for-america-a-true-conservative/#comments
Take note ~ you all have A LOT more eyes lurking on here then you think.
Murphy, any idea how many visiting peeps you have?
#397 bluegrasstrina
Ditto, my 14 year old daughter saw the rage too.
Yup! I may have switched to become an Independent and I am more inclined to vote McCain not just as a protest vote but also because I believe in him to put our country first than himself (like BO).
I share the values Murphy listed and NOT to the far left like BO. I don’t believe in Gvt caring for us from cradle to grave and infanticide either. I feel McCain, Plavin & Hillary are much closer to who I am than BO.
Sorry if this has been said already, but…
I don’t know what we PUMAs did to Chris Matthews, but tonight he actually corrected Pat Buchanan for using the terms gal and girl to refer to Palin. Then he said it was not right or something to that effect that two men were discussing what Palin pick would do to the women’s vote.
One thing you can say for McCain, at least he is trying to win us over, is showing us respect and acknowledging our presence and power — more than you can say for BO.
Murphy, love your appearances and your poised manner. Also, we would love to support “good guy Dems” as you say — let us know if you find any — and don’t include anyone who did not support HRC all the way.
Bluegrass—I understand you. Your views have been largely shared and felt with most here. Indeed, I am among that camp. My point was, however, that as a FEMALE VP, this Palin woman is going to receive a lot of negativity. That will, surely, be channeled by many into a “bad woman” persona. I’m afraid this will rub off on Hillary in 12, when she, as you say, will be up to running again. That was the point to that post.
bluegrasstrina,
That is what I keep coming back to. Noone could be worse than BO. I have never felt so strongly against a candidate in my life. NO BO!
Obama didn’t pander to women in his speech???
LOL, he is the biggest panderer there is!!
#395 4Hillary
None of us have given up on Hillary, dear Puma. We fought very hard for her. It was because of us that her name was put in nomination. We gave her every chance we could. But in the end, Obama and the DNC were too corrupt and had more power than we do.
But Hillary is not out yet. A lot can happen in the next two months. Something like the Berg lawsuit could knock Obama out of the ball game, giving Hillary a second chance.
And if that doesn’t happen, Hillary stands a better chance of being successful in a McCain administration than in an Obama administration. Obama would stifle her and sabotage her every chance he gets.
On the other hand, McCain and Hillary are friends. He’ll likely appoint her to an important position where she can make great headway with healthcare or whatever other causes come under her jurisdiction.
I think John McCain and Sarah Palin will do far more for Hillary and her future than Obama ever would. And as Pumas, one of our missions should be to encourage McCain and Palin to put Hillary in the best position they can.
We can still fight for and support Hillary. It won’t look the same as having her for President. But perhaps this was part of Fate’s plan all along. I heartily endorse it.
Hi Murphy!
Remember that McCain is a maverick. He marches to the beat of his own drum. It’s hard to call him a totally committed Republican because he is a man of principle, not party. I’m not sure what he is exactly, but I think he’s not as scary as a devout core conservative has been in the past for that party. It must be the Rush Limbaughs of that party you are at odds with the most.
I’m an Independent. I can vote for either party or other Independents , so I hope I can be tolerated for supporting the candidates who will be right for the times. For me it’s principles always, party never.
Here’s my track record on presidents:
1972 McGovern
1976 Carter
1980 Carter again (darn this time; at least T. Kennedy was prevented, however)
1984 Reagan
1988
Sorry #420 typo Palin not Plavin
Cat: One thing you can say for McCain, at least he is trying to win us over, is showing us respect and acknowledging our presence and power — more than you can say for BO.
I did mention that as well. He shows, intelligence, at the very least, in this choice. R E S P E C T, ya know?
Hey, one more time~~~What’s murphy’s email addy?
firebelle..
well said girlfriend!!!!!
I read people here complaining about Palin receiving all the glory. However, Gov. Palin did honor and give credit to Gerry and Hillary in her speech today. Why not listen to her speech and give her a chance? I have to vote for McCain anyway and what I heard from her and about her is refreshing AND reassuring. She and Hillary can work together. I don’t need to protect Hillary from Sarah. Hillary is the owner of her own destiny. I own my vote and will not squander it or give it to BO. No guilt trip for me, thank you.
Kerri — yes that is true — you would still be on the rolls as a member of the Dem party.
The most effective way to get across your “most severe disappointment” with the DONC is to vote McCain/Palin in Protest and also every down-ticket Dem (unless Nancy Pelosi is your rep, then dont vote for her
)
If we deliver a landslide to both McCain/Palin AND a Dem Congress, just IMAGINE the exploding heads in DC!
Think about it.
murphy@pumapac.org ???
#413 bluegrasstrina that is exactly how I feel and I wouldn’t have changed one word you explained it perfectly.
#418 Ario I did not watch the whole thing but the bulk of it was about the little girl who’s missing and the mother of the girl going back to jail but she does talk a little about it and she also had a poll on her being his VP choice.
Genevieve she also had that look during President Clinton’s speech also. But when he spoke nicely of the selected one, she would just smile. I cannot stand her. when she made the remark about how could Hillary control the wh when she couldn’t control her husband, that made me totally dislike her and no matter what she has done since, she can give mag interviews, be on the view etc, and it will never change me perspective of the witch she is.
#379 lilibet
Hi. I will as soon as the radio show is over. Sorry I did not have access to a computer from Denver. I don’t have a laptop and I barely made it there as it was.
be back soon….
sly….thanks
Totally agree murphy, we need to make sure that some of those Pelosi followers go with her. Kerry for sure!!
Kempion is not allowed to post?
Did the new site launch tonight?
Anyway, it’s a great day in America. The “glass ceiling” has been shattered!
Did you guys hear Geraldine on O’Reilly> She said the PUMA’s will never vote for BO. I’m glad someone gets it. She also said she hadn’t decided yet what she was doing. You go girl!
Again Murphy — I don’t think that if we like Palin and even find a lot to like about McCain that this makes us any less Democrats at heart.
I watched your answer to the question posed in the video about whether you would vote for McCain… and I get the sense that you’re among many of Hillary supporters that find it hard to vote for McCain even though your goal is to make Obama fail. I truly understand your angst over this choice… so please don’t take what I’m about to say the wrong way.
But for many of us it’s not that difficult to choose McCain as an alternative to Obama. We are still Democrats at heart so please don’t be threatened by our recent enthusiasm for McCain. Try to look at it this way: What’s wrong with us feeling good about the man we know we need to vote for?
I personally am feeling a lot of respect for him despite the fact that I don’t share all the same political ideologies with this man. But I do feel infinitely safer with him in the White House than I do with the thought of Obama in that position. And I believe Palin offers a lot in contributions towards the same goals we seek in that she has a low tolerance for corruption.
So while I certainly am not advocating McCain (simply expressing my personal thoughts)… and while I will fight to the death everyone else’s choice (as long as it’s not Obama) regardless of what that alternative choice might be — I think you may be worrying too much about what the groups enthusiasm for McCain’s VP choice means to the goals of this group. No need to worry — we’re still with you all the way. We adore you. We adore Hillary. We adore the concept in our hearts of democracy and what we want the Democratic party to become.
Hope that helps to know.
Oh, and the video is not playing. I’d like to see that!
#422 kerri
I’m not convinced..if the Dems and MSN have not figured it out yet…Gees…then they are RAELLY dumb!
By bashing her more like they did today by placing the coment “how many homes does she add to McCains” will only irritate those Hillary supporters who went to BO and bring up the mysogyny that came about during Hillary’s campain.
hmmmm……maybe there are that stupid!
As I was saying:
1988 FORGET IT; stayed home
1992 Orinally Tsongas, but switched to Clinton
1996 Clinton all the way
2000 Voted for Gore when I didn’t really want to vote at all. Did so only because I got my mom to vote for the first time and I had to join in. Forgive her, please. She picked Bush.
2004 Kerry (while holding my nose)
2008 McCain ( with a little help from Palin and as a protest vote against Obama)
Not too bad a voting record, I’d say.
the one good thing about living in Missouri is being able to vote against Claire McCaskill. I can’t wait to do that.
There are so many things that bother me and nobody cares. I try my best to be honest and I have been called a troll and a kool aid drinker. I keep coming back here because I want to do what I think is right and say what I think needs to be said.
I feel like a minority and I feel like nobody hears me. I don’t see a point in hanging around anti-McCain blogs because I dont see a purpose in McCain bashing.
My concerns are real and I feel like I have no outlet for them. I just don’t know what to do any more.
Is that the right email address?
LOL Genevieve! I wasn’t even talking about during the campaigning. I meant, during the 4 years in office. We just all ADORE Cheney, right?
I’m saying, she’ll take a lot of flak for whatever the Mccain administration oversees.
Watching Senator Clinton’s speech at “The PUMA Den”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO_dSi2Ol3Q&feature=related
#368 Dem4Hillary
What a great post! I believe you have a great future and I thank you for all you have done and will do.
Bill Maher just called Sarah Palen a MILF. When will they learn.
Oh gosh… I followed the links to read the no quarters article and then riverdaughter’s article. I started to log off right afterwards, but decided to come back to the blog one more time. Unfortunately, I saw the last few posts and do not agree.
While I love Hillary and expect to see more from her, I have no intention of spending four years keeping a path cleared for her to make another presidential run. Nor, do I feel McCain will make a disasterous president.
I’ve been giddy all day about McCain’s selection. I respect that he went out-of-the-box. I don’t want to spend the next two months feeling as if I’m voting in protest and/or not a true dem.
Murphy, I love ya and think you’ve done a great job … but it may be time to reassess my place here. I leave tomorrow morning to go out-of-town, I keep it on the back burner.
Good night everyone and have a good holiday weekend. I’m going to barbeque some caribou. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6C83lwwxJ8&feature=related
Turn up the speakers! This goes out to John McCain and Sarah Palin. Thanks for listening and for the RESPECT!
Murphy,
Another way to short circuit fraud in the elections may be to encourage mail in ballots. Then follow up and keep a watchful eye on those responsible for tallies.
4Hillary~~~ As long as you are not attacking another PUMA member or sounding condescending, you are as welcome to state your thoughts or opinions as much as anyone else. Have you read what PUMA’s stated goals and mission are?
maxgrader
Here is mine although much shorter:
2000: Gore as a very excited 18yr old democrat
2004: Kerry-because as a dem I was expected to
2008: McCain- because I want to in protest
4Hillary: I have certainly addressed and answered your posts. I’m not sure what you may be looking for other than a direct answer to your questions? Of course, I’m only one person and one member of this pack, but uh, I’ll never hestitate to answer a question if I’ve an answer or idea upon it.
455 Seattlegirl !!! Hiyas, Homegirl
Although they have policy differences, I believe McCain and Palin very much respect Hillary. Nobama flipped off Hillary during the primary b/c she kicked his no experienced butt during the debates. Then he did the whole brush off thing on his shoulders. There are many more examples of his disrespect and I won’t even get started on his wife’s hatred of Hillary and her comments regarding her. The DNC leadership conspired against her long before the corrupt Iowa caucus. I would vote for Bert & Ernie before I would vote for loser Nobama and his corrupt leaders. Luckily, I can feel ok about casting my vote for 2 people who love America and put their country first. I hope Hillary comes back with a vengence in 2012 after the smoke clears from Nobama’s landslide loss in 2008.
Maxine Martin jut blew it out of the water! Bill Maher had Tim Kaine on, she said don’t underestimate SP and she has as much experience as Tim Kaine. She says SP puts the Republians in play. She is an AA Democrat.
For those of you that want to see and hear more about Gov Palin, you should go to youtube and search for her name. Listen to several. I must say, I was impressed at her speaking ability and her passion. No teleprompters and she spoke with conviction. She appeared quite comfortable and confident. What I liked best is that she represents Alaskans with the same passion as Hillary does for New York. You could tell that it is more than a job.
4Hillary,
I tried to engage you in conversation. You didn’t respond to me. see post #408. What are your concerns?
SunnyPA
I’m excited about Palin as well!! have a great weekend and if you should decide to discontinue posting I’d love to keep in touch with you by email zzdalym81 at gmail
mick & sisterluck
please be safe, my thoughts are with you.
Murphy,
Bill Maher just mentioned PUMA. You guys have to watch this show. It is on H BO and will replay this week. They are afraid. Not even talking about BO. Sooo sexist.
It was great talking to you tonight on BTR!
455 Seattlegirl ~~~Yeya!!!
Where are you all listening to Bill Mahr at?
447 sheila7
When does that happen? Which month and year?
Hello pumas, hope we are getting over the emotional shock of Hillary’s betrayal and I am ready to fight on.
McCain’s choice makes it a little easier but it doesn’t make me much happier.
I read that she is pro life but is also the member of some feminist movement. She is not for same sex marriage but does support partners with rights.
MURPHY, I agree with the woman who called in about xo stealing this election,he has dogs in high places and several of my family in different states say there is already fraud happening. Voter machines can easily be rigged,and he is concentrating on the youth much like Hitler did. You know he has all those cell#,and there very happy about his rock star image.
I hope we are not deceived by any down ticket people.
I personally feel like were fighting for our country even more then for the Democratic party,IMHO……
Please, watch this show. The hatred of women will inspire you all to keep up the fight. Unbelieveable, I cannot even post there is sooo much crap! Maxine is giving it to THEM!
Maher is over, but is on HBO on demand, and replays tonight at 1:00 am. It is a must for PUMA’S
Uh..there’s no Bill Mahr program you’re talking about on any of my HBO channels, and I got em all. What’s it called, the program?
#470 mzebest
I believer it is in 2010. I’ll have to check for sure. Long wait but I’m a patient PUMA.
thanks Hillary 08
And this is for the Dems… “…..If you want money for people with minds that hate all I can tell you is brother you’ll have to wait………” Turn up those speakers. And fellow PUMAs “don’t you know it’s gonna be alright”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6C83lwwxJ8&feature=related
#457 LivingGrace
Yes, I read them a few days ago. And a few times I got lured into sniping and being sarcastic. There have been a lot of times I want to leave here and not come back. And people have called me obamobot and other things and it takes a lot for me to not fight back. Sometimes I have failed.
I am so tired of all the crap from the last 8 years and for the last year I have been telling myself it is almost over. And now a few people are going to make me miserable for the next 4 years. This time they are not Republicans but they are the head of my party.
I am sorry but I just read 99% of the comments here and I wonder what has happened to Democrats and Hillary supporters. It seems unreal but I know it is very real. I feel like I am going through an emotional breakdown.
Is anyone watching Larry King? James Carville is really going on about Palin not having any experience and the lady on there is tearing him a new but you know what.
KERRI,
Hi!
One more try, I think my computer just loves Aretha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6C83lwwxJ8&feature=related
#464 sheila7
Sorry I have not read 464 yet.
#448 4Hillary
For what it’s worth, I care about your feelings.
It wasn’t all that long ago that I was called a troll (on Hillary’s site) because I was still of a mindset that if Hillary asked us to vote for Obama, I would do so to support her. I didn’t like McCain at the time.
However, the more I saw of Obama, the more I grew to dislike and distrust him. Conversely, the more I saw of McCain, the more I liked him.
I have friends who support Obama because they want to see change. They don’t like or trust McCain for whatever reasons. My answer to all of them is the same … I care more about my friends than I do about any candidate or any election. My friends are the ones who will be there for me when I need a friend. I can’t say that for any of the candidates.
So, I care about your feelings, even if we may differ in our opinions. And don’t forget, this news about Sarah Palin is so new and so fresh that few of us have sorted through all of our emotions yet. We’ll all go through a range of emotions and considerations as we learn more about all of the candidates.
Where you’re at today is not where you’ll be tomorrow or in November. I don’t know where that will be. But you have time to sort out your feelings and make the choice you’re most comfortable with.
Hang in there, my friend. Ignore the people who don’t respect you, and take comfort from those who do.
Nice tries anyway, queen81. I hope the third time is a charm.
Palin’s hubby and son not Republicans
By: Kenneth P. Vogel
August 29, 2008 06:56 PM EST
Democrats may be blasting Sarah Palin as a doctrinaire conservative, and Republicans may be embracing her for the same reason, but her husband and oldest son are independents.
Or, more precisely, their party affiliation is listed as “undeclared” on voter registration records retrieved from the Alaska Division of Elections.
Todd Palin, husband of the Alaska governor, hasn’t been affiliated with a party since he first registered to vote while he was in his early 20s, in 1989 — the year after he married Sarah Palin. And Track Palin, their 19-year-old son, registered as undeclared when he became eligible to vote last year.
Todd Palin, a regular voter, could have cast his ballot for his wife in her 2006 Republican primary against incumbent Gov. Frank Murkowski because the Alaska Republican Party allows those registered undeclared and “nonpartisan” to vote in the party’s primaries.
Track Palin has yet to vote, according to the Division of Elections, while Bristol Palin, his 17-year-old sister, is not yet eligible to vote.
Sarah Palin is a registered Republican.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12989.html
OK very sorry, We need the Beatles Revolution But it’s not coming from this computer.
#466 bruce55555 on 08.30.08 at 12:04 am
thanks bruce!
mzebest — I agree with you and thank you for the comment. I know that a vote for McCain is the strongest Protest vote we can make as Pumas.
And I also agree that one of the reasons the DONC is to blame is that McCain, as a person and an American, is an extremely compelling guy — I find it impossible, personally, to dislike the guy (as a person and an American), even though he is a republican. Same with Palin — that’s why the move was such a powerful checkmate, as Riv said.
Sigh.
Kerri
It is called Real Time with Bill Maher.
I hope you find it.
HEY MURPHY………… miss you !!
4Hillary: WE ALL have had that breakdown moment. We’ve all been feeling lousy the majority of the time for close to a year now. We’ve all been walking around like Alice in Wonderland. We did all we could to rectify the situation. BO is the democratic nominee. What more can we do? Oh yeah—endeavor to ensure he NEVER is POTUS.
If that’s not good enough for you, perhaps you’d like to offer a suggestion? Because, I know, as I’ve stated, I’m not HAPPY about the idea of 4 years of Mccain but uh, echm.it’s sure as heck better than the idea of ANY time with Bamorama.
So..tell us, whatchyou expect?
I, for one, am BLESSED to have the PUMA coalitions, to be a member of this Pac. I…I don’t think I’d have stayed out of a padded room or a jail cell without this place, these people. Have I had to take a break from here for a few hours to a few days before? Sure…but I was brought back through necessity. The fact IS, the democratic party is blatantly corrupt! THIS is where a goodly number of my fellow country folk, who recognize this the same as I, have come to share ideas, feelings, support.
I hope it can be a source of strength for you, as I know it is for the rest of us.
Max, do they only have 2 children?
If so, does that mean that their now 17-year-old son is the boy who is heading to Iraq next year?
MURPHY. sent u an email……….yesterday…just an fyi
MURPHY: William Weld was elected in1990 and re-elected in 1994.
Murphy,
She has five children.
Kerri
Glad you found it. You will want to throw something when you watch it. We are slow tonight, posting problems here.
Murphy,
she has five children, the oldest is a 19yr old son heading to Iraq, the youngest born in april has down syndrome.
#492 murphy
They have five children. Their 19-year-old son is in the Army. They also have three daughters and an infant son, who was born in April with Down’s Syndrome.
#471 Voter fraud is a problem but the Republicans are well funded and that is who BO is up against now. I doubt concentrating on youth will pay off. If I were the Republicans I would sponsor huge free concerts in big cities in swing states. That would likely be enough to distract young voters until it is too late to vote. Not meaning any disrespect to young voter but they are easy to distract.
Hey there Sheila, hon..I seen you.
BTW< anyone else notice that the blog is acting funny to them? Tonight when I come on there are no linkable “new comments”, then I have to scroll through about 5 pages of comments to get to the current one. I’ve never experienced this before, just wondering if it’s happening to others.
LOL, Hill 08! You’re precognizant…!
Murphy, they have five children, I take it your talking about Palin. I am having trouble posting again, is anyone else?
#464 sheila7
Over and over I read people twisting Hillary’s words around. And it goes beyond twisting. I read “Hillary says this but she really means that” People saying there is hidden meaing in her speeches.
People here saying universal health care is a bad thing. People saying pro-choice is not important.
I have to go because I just can’t take any more today. I have been on and off this blog all day today. It has worn me down and I am sure that makes some people happy.
Thank you Firebelle and LivingGrace and everyone else who has at least heard me and tried to help me work through all of this. Take care. I know everyone here is doing what they feel is right and I don’t have any bad feelings towards anyone. This is just a living nightmare for me and I see no way out of it.
Regarding the youth vote:
This is only in my neck of the woods but I go to a university here and I have seen several young people walking around with McCain advertising and I have only seen one Obama. I was surprised by that.
Murphy
Her son is almost 20. The same age mine will be on Thursday.
Kerri
Ha! I am also having to scroll for five minutes. I thought I was alone here!
sounds like you need a good rest 4hillary. Good Luck.
I’ve been having trouble posting. Keeps giving me a ‘you’re posting too fast’ message even though I haven’t posted. Must be the gremlins, or menehune as they say in Hawaii.
478 4Hillary~~~ Awww, hon, it’s ok to feel down. Just know and believe it’s all going to be alright.
I think most of us here feel a sense of betrayal~~~both by Hillary AND the Democrat Party and we are emotionally drained after the recent events and in a kind of shock.
Now we are trying to make sense of it all and regroup.
You CAN be forgiven here. I was actually booted for some disparaging remarks I made some time ago under my native american name, MountainSong, but when I came back and apologized from my heart and made it known that I really want to be a part OF this group and not apart FROM it , I was accepted back. Pretty much. I just needed t oreally think about the things I had said and realize there is no way to make a wrong thing right.
Just give time time and you will be fine.
((((((((((((4 Hillary)))))))))))
#460 Hi Living Grace!
#503 4Hillary
If you want to chat more offline, email me at firebellepuma at gmail.com.
I was talking about the college voter and the fact that in Ohio they have already placed voting machines on the campuses and the passed a resolution to allow register and vote the same day……..and at this point no picture id needed.
#475 sheila7
“I believer it is in 2010.”
Darn… that does seem like a long time away.
But I will still remember and smile the day she gets voted out. 
#488 Murphy
I’m relieved my words didn’t upset you. And I agree that the DONC is definitely responsible for the attractiveness of McCain-Palin ticket. I would never have given them a second thought if I had gotten Hillary as my first choice.
not so fast NObama! not so fast.
Fasten your seat belt, it WILL be a bumpy ride.
But to the finish line? No, it won’t be you.
Start saying bu-bye to the stadiums, the columns, the podiums, the grandeur, the fireworks, the Berlin and other European speeches, CNN, MSNBC et al, your pals at DNC (oh, they’re going down with you).
Guess what, Hillary is right around the corner, lurking, ready for a comeback!!!
LivingGrace,
You said something that I haven’t heard others say and I agree. I do feel betrayed by Hillary. Don’t get me wrong, I would still vote for her as I think she would make a great president but I am disappointed in her. I expected more from her. Sorry if that offends but that’s the way I feel.
493 KENDALBLUE ~~(((((((((((Blue)))))))))))))
is it DNC or DONC?
Why do men find it so hard to believe that we want to vote for one of our own. My God, they have been mirrored imaged for two hundred years. Also, men talking about choice is like men talking about child carReally bothers me. It is my body, I will take care of it thank you!
Ted Nugent was on Glenn Beck this evening and they were saying they think the Republican party today is the Democratic Party of years ago.
#514 bruce55555 I agree!!!
Home Run, McCain!!!
Just wanted to express my excitement over McCain’s choice for V. P.
Had a glass of wine tonight to celebrate. All the news channel’s were falling over each other today to give their take on McCain’s new V. P.
Can’t say much about the BO crowd, because I think their wind was takin right out of their sails today!!
And I to would like to know, as other’s do, what super delegates and regular delegates recieved money from BO to get there vote. Because I will make sure I do Not vote for them in November. (Pa. especially)!!
Also I want to say Thanks To Murphy and others for their hard work and dedication they put forth for all of us, so that we had a voice at the convention.
The news stations all at some time have mentioned PUMA’S thought out the convention.
Also what role will PUMA’s play in the convention next week? Will people be there also?
Anyway, Good Night PUMA’S
Is there any way, we, as PUMAs, can contact Mccain/Palin and put forward our …mmm, ideas, on how they could better earn our votes? That might do something for those strong liberals, such as myself, to get a reply that at least our concerns are heard and addressed?
For instance: Palain, as governor of Alaska, condones the aerial hunting of wolves and delisting polar bears from the endangered species list…not to mention the lovely pipeline she’s bragging about and more drilling. I’m a strong environmentalist and those kinds of practices, putting money above the welfare of the innocent, don’t sit well with me. I realize this puts me in a minority position as most people say, people first, people first, whereas I’m always saying, uh, there are quite ENOUGH people. People aren’t going to go extinct unelss they keep being as greedy as they are. So yeah, I’d certainly support an initiative that would bring to the Mccain camp the concerns of us Hillary supports, whom he’s obviously looking to court.
Gotta go for a bit, be back later.
PUMA: Vigilant, Fearless, Potent!
The one good thing (trying to find that silver lining) about Hillary not being the nominee is we can pop some corn and watch the nightmare unfold this year, rather than being in the trenches, manning the phones for someone like Kerry just to keep a Repub out of the White House. Now that’s change we can believe in.
See ya Kerri!
#499 Seattlegirl
I totally agree. Voter fraud up to now has been successful but Obama is an amateur when he attempts to go up against the Republicans that perfected every possible thought on that front. They don’t call Rove the architect for nothing. If Obama thinks he can pull one over on the Republicans — he’s in for a huge surprise.
I told a friend the other day that this election season has had many surprises. Among them are how surprised I am at my own willingness to go to Fox as my news source, how surprised I am that Republicans suddenly make more sense than Democrats, but the biggest surprise is that I somehow find comfort in knowing that Republicans are more efficient at voter fraud than our Democratic candidate.
Bye Kerri …
4Hillary on 08.29.08 at 11:36 pm
I most certainly haven’t turned my back on Hillary. But she is not on the ticket. We are dealing with the choices in front of us. I would love nothing more than to cast a vote for Hillary and I absolutely believe that that will happen in 2012. Sarah Palin takes nothing away from Hillary Clinton!
I’m curious. Is Puma Pac REALLY all about rebelling againt the sexism which was cast at Hillary Clinton during the Primaries?
If so, then were the comments made by Jon Stewart on the “daily Show” (Comedy Central) tonight acceptable to Puma? Mr. Stewart called Sarah Palin John McCain’s third wife and then compared her to fictional characters including a whore.
I don’t know. Is Puma for real or just about Hillary Clinton?
I’m writing to Comedy Central to tell them what I think. What are you going to do about this blatant sexism and misogyny?
- Kemp
#523 meileen, let the games begin and get a great big bag of that popcorn. The republicans have taken off the gloves and the game is really just now beginning. We all know they didn’t want Hillary to get it, they knew they couldn’t win if she did. So they played it cool until now, but they will make sure all the dirt will start to fly. So take cover, with a good seat with a good view, this is going to be fun.
What cracks me up about McCain’s VP pick today is that he not only stole the thunder away from Obama’s speech — but McCain finally succeeded in making this POTUS race about McCain. No longer about Obama. Gotta love him.
4hillary,
In the long run it’s not about Democrats or Republicans , but about people.
I only want each of us to be happy for ourselves and respectful toward others with differing opinions and to, well, just get along in this world. None of us need a Democrat or Republican to help in that endeavor. Feels real good inside when a person can leave a room like ours with a smile on the face.
Goodnight 4hillary. Come back soon.
#528 Kempion
Interesting. I could have sworn that Stewart does not tape on Fridays….
To answer your question, we’re about removing corruption from the Democratic Party. Our end goal is to have the party be of the people again, not of the leadership that chose this year’s candidate.
#529 bluegrasstrina
LMAO… I got my popcorn ready. Start the show.
LOL Hannity just said that Palin probably doesn’t have an Ayers, Pflagger, or Wright problem.
534 LivingGrace
right? not to mention everyone else on that list.
mzebest, they certainly took the wind out of his sails for sure. If MO isn’t careful, that scowl will be permanent on her face, she needs to smile more doesn’t she? I bet this morning, she was in a “fowl” mood. Eat the popcorn slowly, it’s going to be a long two months.
Kemp,
Are you in Florida?
thanks folks — right — how could I forget that she has 5 children.
Pretty much every guy in my extended family has served — something just bugs me about the whole thing with liberal elites and the military. Cant pin it down exactly — maybe bc I’m a radical left-wing pacifist feminist — but damn I HATE it that the lib elite has looked down on service in the military as something only for poor people, for losers. It never even CROSSES their minds that volunteering for the military might be the right thing to do. At least in the 60’s objecting the draft or avoiding the draft was part of a politically conscious decision-making process — iow, it was a CHOICE.
Now it never even crosses their minds.
Another thing, every damn baby-boomer, pot-smoking DF Hippie I’ve ever met has nothing but respect for Vietnam vets. Those guys were their neighbors, their cousins, their friends, their brothers (literally).
makes me mad.
Murphy,
You are a pacifist?
#448 4Hillary… I am sorry for your frustration. Please be patient, this is a good group of people that have just suffered a severe letdown. Give them a day or two dear and you will be glad you did.
This is a good place to find like minded people except at the moment some are out of their minds (temporarily). So I will say welcome and just duck the rocks, they will stop flying shortly.
Kemp — I think you’re ahead of us — havent seen the Daily Show, but
SEXISM AGAINST WOMEN IN POLITICS HAS GOT TO STOP. DOESNT MATTER WHAT PARTY A WOMAN IS IN — REPUBLICAN, DEM, GREEN, LOONEY-TUNES — DOESNT MATTER.
I defended MO on tv last week against sexist attacks and I’ll speak out against sexist attacks on Palin whenever I have the opportunity.
There will not be any hypocrisy at Puma PAC about sexism — it has GOT TO STOP handicapping women in politics.
Uncomfortable Subject
I’m having a hard time with all the Obama supporters talking about the possibility of McCain’s death.
I just keep remembering when Hillary was talking about why she was staying in the race, said it wasn’t unusual, talked about Bobby Kennedy still being in his primary race when he was assassinated. BO’s own campaign and his supporters put out statements accusing Hillary of some pretty nasty things, twisting her words.
This keeps coming back to me every time they start talking about the possibility of McCain’s passing.
Murphy
As a veteran and a Mom of a son in Iraq I thank you and send you a big hug.
good night PUMAs. I feel so much better tonight than I did last night. Let’s all enjoy the holiday and get back to business next week.
Goodnight Bluegrasstrina!
YesSheCan
Yeah that makes me uncomfortable too, but I do think that the reason it is talked about so much with McCain is his advanced age.
#542 YesSheCan
I thought the same thing numerous times today. Campbell Brown was going off about “she’ll only be a heartbeat away from the presidency, yet she has no experience,” yet the top of the Dem ticket truly has no experience. She went off that Palin was a mayor of only 9,000 people; still 9K more than Obama was responsible for.
Murphy, good to hear. I saw the Daily Show tonight and I’m in Ohio, so like yall should be able to see it – somewhere.
Stewart, the writers and producers have crossed the line between risque and just plain mean-spiritedness.
I will look for a video clip of the show. It was right at the opening.
((((((((((((((((living grace)))))))))))))))
Sheila7……….I am also disapointed at Hillary. You are not the only one girl..
goodnight living grace. and buenas Noches to all
gonna turn in for a few — be wonderful to each other.
mp should be back in biz by tomorrow and mamapuma has been keeping the trains running behind scenes.
Please send good vibes to Dances — she’s on the last leg of her journey from Denver back to the west coast and I’m a bit worried that she’s driving TOO FAST.
I hope to share some of the personal stories from Denver this weekend.
Back to action on Tuesday — this weekend will be a time of regrouping, recouping, and resting.
Have I said be wonderful to each other yet?
Be wonderful to each other.
Tomorrow is another day.
538 murphy~~~ Yep, you still remind me of Tashunka Witko….he never slept either. But a “radical left-wing pacifist feminist”????? mmmk, if you say so~~~it’s your story. You still amaze me and rock my world!!!
At least my life seems fuller for having known you and been part of all this.
meileen #547
To campbell brown and others I would say
And where was BO on city council?
And what city was BO mayor of?
And what state was BO the governor of?
Sums it all up for me right there!
#536 bluegrasstrina
“they certainly took the wind out of his sails for sure. If MO isn’t careful, that scowl will be permanent on her face, she needs to smile more doesn’t she?”
Oh — I kind of like seeing that scowl on her face cause it reminds me of one of my favorite Dr. Seuss characters — the Grinch. Doesn’t she look like the Grinch? Oops… time to refill on my popcorn.
549 KENDALBLUE~~~ Que tenga buen nocha, amiga mia.
For the record, I am not a democrat or republican. I’m a centrist with leanings in both directions. That said, I love women. (Minds out fo the gutter. I’m male but still…) Women are powerful and vital not only on a personal/relationship level but in our communities, and yall are needed to make our country and world work. We men tend to screw things up when we don’t at least consult with yall women.
Who am I kidding? Women have all of the power – yal just let us think we are strong adn stuf. lol
Also isn’t it fitting that she was mayor of a town of 9000…if I recall that’s the same number of people that voted for Biden in the primaries! Stings, doesn’t it BO!!
#542 YesSheCan
I agree.
556 queen81~~lmao
Did anyone catch Clyburn comparing the situation with McCain and Palin being similar to Mondale and Ferraro.
If Clinton talks about a previous election with a comparison of Obama and Jesse Jackson, he gets eaten alive by Clyburn and Hillary loses.
#538 Murphy,
With me I was just plain SCARED I’d be killed. I also was pensive enough to conclude the Viet Nam war was pointless a thing to die for.
The thought of killing another human being was enough to get me packin’ for Canada if ever I was drafted. Very fortunately for boys born in ‘54 the draft was stopped one year before I was eligible. God was on my side at least once in my life that time. I have been in want of grace from Him for little else ever since. That was enough for me forever.
shasta
I for one am embarrassed that Clyburn represents my state of SC. Thank god i’m not in his district
I adore Hillary, worked so hard for her here in toledo,Ohio. I look forward to her in 2012….
All I can think about is John McCain standing there getting ready to announce Palin as his vp pick and thinking to himself..CHECKMATE!
I know politics is a dirty nasty business and a game, but I love the fact that he literally kicked obama in the nuts with this game changer. I for one am glad that McCain finds women important enough to court. Just glad someone finds my vote important and knows that it may be not only a game changer but a game ender as well!
Off to make dinner. Have a great night all. Sweet dreams.
Goodnight Everyone. I need to get to sleep after a long hard day.
goodnight meileen and sheila
[i]Bluejay — the PUMA formerly known as sandbag. Changed my screen name because of confusion about the various ’sand’ names [/i]
One of the global issues dearest to my heart is the protection of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. I have worked on this for years, going into high gear whenever yet another vote comes up in Congress. The NRDC (National Resources Defense Council) has been one of the fiercest defenders of the refuge.
Hearing tonight that Governor Palin is pro-drilling is the deal-breaker for me. Please check out this page:
http://www.oilonice.org/
This will tell you just about everything you need to know about the impact of drilling in the refuge. I’m continually amazed that Alaskans (like Stevens and Palin) are the biggest promoters of drilling, when the native Gwich’in have so very much to lose . . .
HI queen81, maxgrader & everyone else. It’s so nice to be home again, lol.
firechief:
“THAT is also what puma can do — revolutionize the mainstream media. So much of what happened with this campaign is due to them.”
I was just thinking that myself! The media is beside itself with worry! When they look in the mirror now they are asking themselves, “Why oh why did we trash Hillary Clinton, day after day after day after day…”
BBBbbwwwaahahahahaha!!!
#528 OMG- I can’t believe Jon Stewart would do that! Why?? Is he crazy?
Hey Hillstheone!
Holy crap!
The WOMAN in charge at Comedy Central is a Obama supporter!
http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/michele-ganeless.asp?cycle=08
So, now what?
Houston (Murphy), we have a problem!
I love how the media loves to report that 38 million watched BO’s speech…ummm it’s kinda hard not to when it was on all network and cable news channels…just because the tv was on, doesn’t mean everyone was watching
562 Michelle
“I for one am glad that McCain finds women important enough to court.”
Me too! I don’t agree with him on so many issues. I hate the thought of nuclear power, for one. And I’ve been dreaming of Hillary solving the health care crisis for 15 years now. I think he won’t do much for us on that one. But I don’t believe Obama would be able to either.
Happily, I’m finding quite a few things I agree with McCain on, and I feel the country would be much better off with him at the wheel than Obama. His pick today gave me one more reason to support him. Not just as a protest.
Checkmate! LOL
(Unless the DNC makes Obama drop out and runs Hillary- I think I’ll keep irrationally hoping for that till someone is sworn-in.)
566 Bluejay
These are such difficult choices. Any drilling should be in the context of getting rid of our dependence on foreign oil AND in the context of greening America. I hat to think of it too, but a choice has to be made.
Kempion
I agree we need to do something about this….Murphy has gone to bed I believe but you shoud email her this information
murphy@pumapac.org
As I listen to the news coverage on Palin and ponder the issues involved in possibly voting Republican, I appreciate Murphy’s reminder of core Democratic values. Yet, I keep thinking that maybe none of the those issues are top priority this election for me. Maybe the only one is Democracy. If BO wins, I am not confident that we will still have a democracy in 4 years. If it’s McCain and Palin, they won’t advance social causes, but we will still have a Democracy in which to fight for those social causes.
Damn brooklyn thanks for the heads up! ref post 574
The New Hampshire Union Leader published my letter to the editor yesterday (Friday August 29, 2008). I was very surprised because they publish very few letters on a daily basis (4 – 6).
For those of you not familiar, they are a conservative newspaper. My letter is self-explanatory, but on Wednesday August 27, the day after Hillary’s speech, the Union Leader published a large, front-page photo of her captioned, “Clinton’s moment” (in the print edition only, not online). The AP photo was one of those embarrassingly goofy, mid-expression moments that happens to everyone, and would cause any of us to immediately hit the “delete” button on our cameras. Apparently the Union Leader thought that it would be a great way to characterize their view of our beloved Senator. They entitled my letter, “Photo choice a cheap shot to undermine Hillary” (their title, not mine, but I guess appropriate).
“To the Editors: Thank you so much for publishing that ridiculous photograph of Hillary Clinton on the front page in response to the Senator’s phenomenal speech at the Democratic Convention. I thank you because you have proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, what Hillary’s supporters have been saying all along — that the media has done everything possible to undermine Senator Clinton every step of the way. How many Associated Press photos did you have to sort through to find one ludicrous and unflattering enough to serve your purpose? Need I remind you that Senator Clinton won the New Hampshire Democratic primary?
Kick her on her way out the door — very classy indeed!”
I just couldn’t let them get away with that without saying something . . .
Welcome back to the puma den hillstheone.
Go to Gretawire.com and take the poll.
How will gov Sarah Palin effect the elections?
BrooklynNY, I swear to God Jon Stewart said what he said TONIGHT (friday).
kempion & queen81
Re: Comedy Central, I couldn’t agree more!
We need to get Murph onto Stephen Colbert’s show, but how? I suggest we find out their physical mailing address and mail him something with a return-receipt requested that can only be signed by him.
hi maxgrader, how are you doin’ tonite?
Topic: Looking for “Michigan”
There were so many PUMA’s & other new faces in Denver you couldn’t remember all the names. There was one PUMA there told me she was from Michigan, I told her “I can’t remember any more new names & I’m going to call you Michigan!” and we laughed. But I see her face in this pic: http://blog.pumapac.org/
If it’s you send an email to mama puma & she’ll forward to me, it’d be fun to stay in touch.
Other cool PUMA’s I met:
Fran from Philly,
Mary from Philly, (hadn’t even met ea other by the time I left!),
BJ from Atlanta,
Denise from California,
Pat (forget where he was from)
Francine from So Jersey,
Mary fromPA,
and Egor (forget where he was from, too).
Brooklyn
hmmm, watching the end of the show now and he said next time he would have Gov crist of Fl and ask him why he wasn’t mccains vp pic….hmmm not so sure now
BrooklynNY
I just checked the Jon Stewart website, no shows on Fridays.
wow!
good catch Brooklyn, and in a New York minute, cool
#573 YesSheCan on 08.30.08 at 1:13 am-
I had to smile at what you said at the end. . .because I keep secretly hoping that too! –Even if it is irrational.
I’m doing great Hillstheone. After the killer news today about Palin I couldn’t feel better. But I do feel sleepy. I’m about to go to bed with the air conditioner on high. Hope you don’t mind I bid you a fair one and goodnight to all the others.
This has been a good day to be a puma. Bye for now.
Dem4Hillary,
I did a mini puma prowl on that link you posted. ;D
nite-nite, maxgrader..
Bandy, yesshecan: well that makes 3 of us! She always did say, “We’re in it to Win it.”
The New York Times reviews Obama’s performance
(warning: it’s funny – I didnt know they had a sense
of humor)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/29/opinion/29brooks.html?_r=2&ei=5070&emc=eta1&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
I forgot to mention Caroline from Washington. Hi, Caroline, if you’re on!
I applaud all of you independent thinkers on this blog, especially all the strong, intelligent women here.
I’m a registered Independent, voted for Bill Clinton twice. I’m in NH, and this time around I’m supporting John McCain. However, I have huge respect for Hillary and was appalled at her treatment by the DNC and the mainstream media. I applaud the efforts of all of you here to make your voices heard and to reform the Democratic party. Such efforts can only make our Democracy and country stronger and better.
I have one quick question, and I truly hope not to offend by asking it … please take it in the spirit I’m asking, which is an attempt at understanding. Those of you who are self-professed animal lovers and dislike Gov. Palin because she is a hunter, are you also in favor of late-term abortions? I’m just curious if you believe that the life of an animal is more sacred than that of a full-term human being.
FYI , I’m pro-life and against capital punishment.
Murphy,
#433 is the third link I’ve used in the past couple of days that freezes the blog and you have to turn off the computer and reboot to get back on. Do you have a tech maven to check this out? I don’t think it is the posters fault but rather gremlins at work.
Jon Stewart WAS on friday. It may not have been his regular show or whatever, but I saw him and he said what he said. So, maybe it wasn’t his show just one of those Indecision breaks, but he still compared Palin to a whore and called her McCain’s thrid wife.
The show is in DENVER this week anyway – not New York.
Murphy, re- “If we deliver a landslide to both McCain/Palin AND a Dem Congress, just IMAGINE the exploding heads in DC!”
No kidding!
Also, haven’t gotten to watch Hardball yet but I could understand if you weren’t smiling. I’ve given a lot of media interviews in my time but doubt I’d have been smiling coming so soon after PUMA’s called him a “sexist pig!” I’m very proud of you, Murphy, you’ve got nerves of steel, and I’m sure you did great. (((Hugs from all PUMA’s)))
Speaking of newsclips, I’ve several I’ll post. Hope folks will re-post these tomorrow morning for the newbies?
CAUCUS FRAUD: A big Thank you to the poster who re-posted my info from Denver today & the delegate who told us about Caucus Fraud! It’s hard for me to blog some days as I work full time & a long commute to boot.
Caucus fraud _needs_ to be exposed.
594 Kelligesq
“the weak-looking thin guy who’s bound to lose.”
I’ve bookmarked this one so I can read it again when I’m not to tired to laugh. Thanks!
My Mother’s favorite song-
“What a difference a day makes”
was really true today.
Goodnight everyone.
Kempion I’m sorry.
hi bruce55555, how were things on the Blog this week..? We really wanted to Blog in Denver but laptops were scarce as hens teeth & those that were there had interminably sloow connection speeds…
Kempion
Though I can’t find the clip yet, you are correct that there was a special show toinght. As I said earlier please email Murphy the info.
Hillstheone, I’m so happy I didn’t have to wire any bail money for you all!
Wow
just been reading some of the comments, not sure if it is safe yet, I get on this site often but have never seen this blog like that, glad to see it settle done. My worst fear is this groups brakes apart and OB will win.
I know I dont blog that much but I stay active in the puma movement.
TOPIC: A “must watch” for newbies (& oldies)!
The Clinton Factor
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=5654797
By far one of the better news teams giving more unbiased coverage to Hillary supporters, and to PUMA, has been ABC news. Suggest we collectively send this network some PUMA love next week. You can see go and mamapuma and many of us really well on this clip when we went to central station & msnbc’s stage. (About halfway thru you’ll hear a voice ask “tell me what Democracy looks like?” and that’s me), this was on a Wednesday walk heading to the Convention Center.
Speaking of abc news, anybody see the story that one of their reporters was arrested in Denver just for trying to film a “secret” breakfast meeting by some top Democrats, wtf…
Checked the Jon Stewart site and no sign of the controversary previously mentions… but I did find this piece with an appearance of a PUMA and John Oliver tells it like it is at the very end of the segment and gets boo’d but I’m glad he said what he said.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=183497&title=healing-the-democrats
There’s also this funny parody of Obama’s speech intro film:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=183509&title=Barack-Obama:-He-Completes-Us
(Bluejay, formerly sandbag) . . .
#575 alohapuma
I hear what you’re saying, but the tradeoff is just too great. I’ve been studying this issue extensively for many years. Most experts feel that there is not nearly enough oil in the 1002 lands (the small northern coastal plain area known as the Arctic Wildlife Refuge) to have any impact on the global oil supply. See:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4542853/
Alaskan politicians view drilling in ANWR as an attempt to extend the fading economic life of the Alaskan pipeline, at a trememdous environmental cost. The ANWR lands are the homeland of the Gwich’in people. They consider the 1002 lands to be sacred ground. They will not hunt there, even in times of famine. Each year, the entire porcupine caribou herd makes a spectacular, single file migration to the northern coastal plain to give birth to their young. This small area of the refuge is the only place where the newborn caribou calves can survive. The wind from the sea keeps the mosquitos at bay, which have been known to devour the young in other areas. The Gwich’in depend upon the caribou for every aspect of their lives.
Most, if not all of the ANWR oil will go to Asia. Big oil will be in only winner in this scenario . . .
queen81,
You’re so funny! Well let me tell you it was one experience I won’t forget. And the irony of PUMA hdtrs being located amidst bail bonds places was too much. Hillary “kidnapped” by the DNC, and PUMA’s holed up in the bail-bonds-part-of-town, lol…
Q – did you hear an NPR crew filmed us too?
Bluejay, I also am opposed to drilling & I think HRC is too, not worth it nor a long-term solution.
Hillstheone
I heard you guys did a crazy amount of interviews I did not hear specifically about NPR
TOPIC: Hillary’s speech at the Denver luncheon
Here’s a writeup of the speech by Hilary some of us attended in Denver.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/clinton-doesnt-mention-obama-by-name-at-private-event-2008-08-26.html
#612 hillstheone
Did you see the related link that was in the article you posted? Read the next to last paragraph that begins with “One Clinton delegate from North Carolina…” in the link below and it seems to be documented proof from Huffington Post that voter fraud took place in the roll call:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/26/clinton-speaks-to-support_n_121550.html
I love Hillary but I also am very impressed with Palin. I will vote McCain/ Palin. They are not perfect but they are not Obama!
Gayle I agree with you completely
People, remember, McCain-Palin will have a Democratic Congress, which means they will have their hands tied. Judges have to make it through Democrat committeees and all the legislation will be Dem controlled. This is the perfect scenario to have Mac and a really decent woman in the White House. The Dems may even have enough in congress for veto power. So, relax. Vote Mac-Palin and finish the job of punishing the corrupt DNC! Then Hillary 12 and we win!
#606 hillstheone
Thanks for the post. That is a good video.
AND they are calling Sarah Palin a VP-ILF… no, that’s not degrading to women at all!
http://blog.indecision2008.com/2008/08/29/sarah-palin-total-vpilf/
#616 Gayle in Oregon
I also believe that McCain and Palin will give Hillary a more important position in their administration than Obama would. And they’ll give her more respect and support than Obama would. This may be good for Hillary after all.
608 Bluejay
Then run with this as a concern about Palin and the ticket.
We represent a significant force in this election. Let’s ask questions and consider using the leverage we have in the McCain campaign…whatever that is. We dont’ know exactly what that is at the moment, but certainly we have a voice right now.
616 Gayle in Oregon
We have to meet. I’m in Oregon too.
I love this message. I think it’s the bottom line here.
Contrary to what the post says, it seems like most people are resolving to vote for McCain instead of “nothing on top,” to say nothing of their down ticket choices.
The Roberts supreme court already shot down an attempt for women to be assured equal pay for equal work last year (Ledbetter v. Goodyear ) which is sadly in line with the conservative opinion of women — McCain might be harmless in some legislative ways with a democratic congress as his foil but isn’t anyone concerned about a supreme court with 7 conservatives on it?
My message to BO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EEXeeseVzc
hillstheone
I enjoyed your video post. Did you see my post to you at #613?
I think Will’s project of making Hillary the Senate Majority Leader is great.
Here is what Heidi says on her blog:
Please contact the DSCC and tell them that we will only support them (and their candidates) once it has been made clear to us that the Senate Democrats will elect Hillary Clinton as their leader in January:
http://www.dscc.org/content?content_item_KEY=1442
(hat tip to Will Bower)
The url gives several emails and phone numbers for the DSCC.
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee
Phone (202) 224-2447
Fax (202) 969-0354
For general information email info@dscc.org
For media inquiries email press@dscc.org
For employment opportunities email grassroots@dscc.org
For internship opportunities email grassroots@dscc.org.
For technical/Web issues email webmaster@dscc.org.
To anyone that wants to come to this blog to post comments implying that Obama is better to women than McCain — I will respectfully refer you to this article:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/30/sexist-obama-pays-his-female-staff-less-than-the-males/
About SC justices. If the conservatives wanted to retire they would have done it when Bush still had a GOP congress, ie 2005. If the liberals want to retire they can either wait till 2012 or COME OUT AND TELL US NOW.
I’m not going to run scared of the liberals retiring unless they SAY so.
Anyway I wouldn’t trust Obama to appoint good SCs any more than I trust him to do anything else a real Dem would do. He half way supported some of Bush’s and had to be pressured to even vote against one of them.
Hi Everyone!
Much, much earlier tonight (#99 at 8:40 pm) made reference to Geraldine Ferraro’s site, and I was wondering if anyone could tell me what the address to her site was? I looked extensively last month but couldn’t find anything.
I heard Geraldine mentions of PUMA’s on O’Reilly tonight too….and I thought it was great!! It sounds like she’s been reading our letters in the mail too! Tonight was also the 3rd or 4th different time where I’ve heard an interviewer try to pin her down on whether she’d be voting for McCain. She always leaves the question open though,…saying she hasn’t decided. (That’s probably the best way for her to answer them, at this point anyway). My personal opinion though – after hearing her in dozens of different interviews this year – is that she often talks like she’s a puma herself these days!!!! And like she’s probably planning to vote McCain in protest,…just like many of us, myself included! NOBAMA 4 me! Well,…go Geraldine!
She’d actually be a great additional spokesman for our movement. She carries a lot of clout (after all she was on the Dem ticket before), and she’s interviewed often. Plus, she was every bit as disgusted as all of us with what happened this year! She she even got dragged into all the BO B.S. earlier this year, with her comments which were mild, but which they tried to blow up & make a fuss over!
Anyway, I was wondering if anyone could direct me to her website that was being referred to earlier? I’d be interested to check it out!
This might be worth reposting if anyone finds this interesting. Read the next to last paragraph that begins with “One Clinton delegate from North Carolina…” in the link below and it seems that Huffington Post is documenting that voter fraud took place in the roll call at the convention:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/26/clinton-speaks-to-support_n_121550.html
As a public service to all bots/trolls on sight come nov 4 when President McCain accepts his win i will happily refer you to your states unemployment office.
OK~ I NEED PUMA’S TO GO TO THIS BLOG AND STAND YOUR GROUND AS PUMA’S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.yestodemocracy.com/yes_to_democracy_no_to_pu/2008/08/how-original.html?cid=128375746#comment-128375746
GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO!!!
mzbest,
just looking at it now, BRB…
#622 tkd on 08.30.08 at 2:23 am
[[ isn’t anyone concerned about a supreme court with 7 conservatives on it?]]
**********
Nothing concerns me more than someone as dangerous as Obama in the White House.
HEY HILLSTHEONE!! GLAD TO SEE YOU MADE IT HOME SAFE N SOUND~
obama chose Wright to be his pastor for 20 yrs to marry him to baptize his children. And then there are Ayers, Farrahkhan, Michelle Obama, Rezko, Mcklurkin. Yeah this guy shows good judgement.
441 Kempion
Anyway, it’s a great day in America. The “glass ceiling” has been shattered!
———————————————————-
You’re kidding, right?
If not, how do you figure the so called glass ceiling has been shattered?
Wow
I guess I am not the only one up late tonight.
And just as an FYI to any bots that might be lurking: I’m sick of hearing “MEN” pundits do their spin in the media with statements like “I can’t believe women would be stupid enough to vote for a ticket with Palin just because she’s a woman, and by doing so turning their backs on all the women rights issues.” As if the men saying this care about women’s rights issues… they are all the same men that bashed Clinton mercilessly. Their opinions of what women will do lost all credibility long ago.
Sorry PUMA’s — I had to get that one off my chest.
hmm? Let me think about supreme court appointees. Fucking joke I trust McCain hands down. I am gay and you don’t scare me. The right to privacy would be almost impossible to overturn. Please read roe v wade before you throw it up.
636 DancesWithPumas
Are you home?
Pumas,
All pumas, guys too since you are actual men…
Celebrate with THE Annie Lennox!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqU8407iof8
An amazing human being…
mzebest
how many people voted for icky i mean obama without knowing anything about him because he was black and gave a great speech written by someone else. I am a 41 year old gay man and I will not be held hostage. The DEm party is holding an unloaded gun at our heads and we have called thier bluff.
TOPIC: Caucus Fraud
mzebest, wow, I had read that article before but now that you mention it I think that’s a really good point.
“One Clinton delegate from North Carolina, Marc Friedland, recounted his convention hall confrontation with DNC Chairman Howard Dean. He said he pressed him to explain why Clinton-backing delegates were being, in his view, blocked from supporting their candidate on the convention floor.”
Makes you wonder: was it just a “simple case” (said w/irony) of delegate intimidation, or,
a conscientious effort to BLOCK the delegates from casting their votes because it would highlight discrepencies in Caucus voting. i.e., North Carolina voted by caucus.
Is that what you’re saying, mzebest?
640 redraz9
No, not yet. I’m in a hotel in Las Vegas. It’s a 17 hour drive and I was delayed by a two hour detour, then I tried to make up some time and received a $332 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!) ticket for speeding.
I’m sure Murphy will not hesitate to broadcast how fast I was going, the same way she BROADCAST the cup of coke that was spilled when she forced me to eat at McDonalds. (I noticed that she didn’t mention whose elbow it was that tipped over my coke.)
(heh)
631 SouthJerseyPUMA
Hi South Jersey PUMA!
still laughing over that comment, “Poor Richardson, sold his soul to the devil and all he got was a T-shirt,”
BBBwwwwwwaaahahahahahaha!!!!
Well I can’t remember if it was you who said it but you must admit it’s PDF (pretty damn funny).
hi Dances!
Another Anne Lennox… to celebrate our diversity from an artist who CAN.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGjNDqv1yMc
Enjoy before the bastards delete it for copyright infringment…again.
Welcome henry, are you new?
It’s a very invigorating feeling to know how many there ARE who feel like we do. And let me just tell you the LOCALS (not visitors) in Denver just LOVED us. They followed us everywhere & couldn’t seem to ask enough questions, lol…
oops
631 SouthJerseyPUMA
We sorta agreed not to post links to whackadoo’s blog. She continues to attack pumas and murphy because that’s the only way she can get more than 5 people to visit her site on any given day. She lives for blog traffic.
She’s a complete waste of energy and oxygen.
to quote my boom boom
who will be two on monday
Todays news with palin makesme say “Happy Happy, Joy, Joy(now you have to hop several times)
646 hillstheone
Hey you!
dances,
I saw goanderson posted “let’s have a drink,” so I’d been craving a cosmo for a long time. Went out & bought vodka & cointreaux & by the time I ate dinner & got home I think go signed off.
I thought today was a fine day to toast a special drink to all PUMA’s, lol…
#633 Firebelle Puma on 08.30.08 at 2:44 am-
“Nothing concerns me more than someone as dangerous as Obama in the White House”
——————–
I AGREE! That’s more dangerous and a BIGGER concern at this point than the court!
People are here for different reasons and with different concerns & priorities, however. And everyone may not be 100% up to speed about all the reasons to be more concerned about B.O. himself – than about other issues at this point! (I’m too tired to try to type them out now though… I was just heading to bed! But lots of BO research has been done & is available on the net or in the several books that have been written).
Good-night all! I’ll check back in the morning, which for me, is only a few hours away unfortunately!
Dances, did you see Murphy on Hardball yet? I haven’t, but I did see a clip where Chris Matthews got very testy at Keith Olbermann!
You could tell Matthews was still raw from being called sexist pig. I guess sometimes it takes the universe to deliver a mssg to a person before they hear it. I for one can definitely attest we chanted so many different things & none of it was planned, it was all spontaneous. And felt great.
It felt GREAT to chant, “Let the Delegates vote!”
#643 hillstheone
My interpretation is that the guy was blocked from voting the way he wanted. We all know that they were all blocked… which explains the tears of the delegate interview after Clinton’s speech. I just thought it was interesting that there would be a hint of such blockage mentioned in an article from Huffington Post. Aren’t they totally in the tank for Obama? Don’t know if it’s evidence we can sink teeth into… but that doesn’t subtract from the significance that even they admit to it.
#648
no been here for awhile, read as much as I can every day
trolls make me tired so often I just ignore. Got a little thing that i will admit to liking if you punch and kick me. So she is why a 41 year old man said enough is enough.
NO WAY NO HOW NOBAMA…NOW OR EVER!
From the first time I seen him, his eyes and his words did not match. Did not watch his speech the other night but did he ever say, “I love America, I am proud to be an American” or did he say, “I love this country” like MO did at the convention?
If so, yes they love this country since it is only here that someone can run for political office with enough hidden agendas, questionable associates, commit caucus & voter fraud, lie and not be thrown out!
#642 henry
I agree that I won’t be held hostage… but I disagree that Obama ever gave an interesting speech.
Why do people who don’t bother to count votes give a damn about who we vote for…?
Besides, we’re they ones they didn’t need (ref: Donna ’stop the hate” Brazile).
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MamaPuma…
I’m watching you.
queen81,
Re: “I heard you guys did a crazy amount of interviews I did not hear specifically about NPR”
It’s true, the media were EVERYWHERE, and glommed onto us the minute they spotted anything that said “PUMA”!
I’m only one PUMA, here’s who I talked to (note I refused a few msm because I stopped trusting them, ‘aint that a sad thing…):
* News Crew from Canada
* reporter from a local alternative paper
* Journalist from Belgium
* News Crew from Japan
* Denver Post – they interviewed a whole VANLOAD of PUMA’s enroute to downtown and their story has YET to be published.
Haven’t even had time to look for any of the stories published overseas but might be interesting to look sometime…other countries will be better-informed than Americans, but what’s new about that, hahaha…
#658
Honestly I have no idea what kind of speech as i was in the room next door to the tv with the hitler propoganda film “triumph of the will” cranked. Heil hitler sounds a lot like O-bam_a to me.
mzebest,
Is that story written by huffpo or another news source…
Also we should do a PUMA love prowl on ABC news next week.
PUMAS! ABC News is the only objective msm out there right now, write them & tell them how you love them, lol…
ladyhawkke and others who dis Palin for hunting and eating caribou are HILARIOUS! Vegetarian Pumas don’t last very long.
# 662 hillstheone
“Is that story written by huffpo or another news source…”
Well the url says it’s huffingtonpost.com and the email address for the author is a huffingtonpost email account so my guess is if it looks like a duck and smells like a duck… then it might be a duck. LOL
mzebest,
WOW! Yup, sounds to me like they f-ed up. Someone ought to print out that URL & send it to Murphy to add to the evidence.
Reposting
TOPIC: Graphic Artists apply here
Was it marrissa who did the artwork last week? Here’s a couple good visuals:
A PUMA kicking a DONKEY in the ass.
and
A PUMA riding a tidal wave of change.
#665 hillstheone
Did you want me to write to Murphy or were you going to do it. I will be happy to do so… but I rarely get any responses to my emails so I never know if they get lost in the shuffle.
TOPIC: DO THIS NOW!
Watch this clip posted at NPR’s site & come back to discuss. Have not watched it yet!
http://www.pri.org/pri-videos/puma-den-reaction.html
Bluejay: I have been sorta bitching about Palin’s atrocious environmental stances all night myself. I’ve never been a political animal but I too am a member of NRDC as well as WLDF and various other animal/environmental groups. I received the low-down on Palin through their emails today. :/
Again, it’s horrible. It’s why I was urging some way we can…have a conversation, perhaps, with the Mccain people.
We can not, I mean, simply CAN NOT vote Obama in. But it’s hard to vote Satan in as well. I don’t see why they shouldn’t recognize us PUMA’s by addressing our concerns for real.
outrage
i have felt it many times this week but i felt genuine outrage when my mother who is only 18 yrs older than me felt that he was doing gays a good thing by saying they should have the right to visit sick loved ones. My mother is a psych nurse so I questionned her about this only reference to gays involving sickness. well looks like we scored another one there. Please let all of you friends know that bambi took any oppurtunity to speak about all of the LGBT issues and what he chse to do was speak about illness. Please keep this man out of the White House.!!!!
#668 hillstheone
Have you seen these other videos filmed the same night at PUMA HQ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO6X_2b-SpY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aBpsxxtVeM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO_dSi2Ol3Q&feature=related
BLUE JAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR LETTER AND FOR NOT LETTING THAT ONE GO BY.
I think I forgot to include this link too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBzEJds45zA
#670 henry
“Please keep this man out of the White House.!!!!”
Believe me… that’s the plan.
mzebest,
why don’t you send it to Murphy, I’ve a feeling she’s keeping track of this stuff. I know in Denver a list was going around where we were entering incidents of delegate intimidation we had witnessed or heard about…
Just watched the NPR clip & it was OK but could have been better. Would have liked it if they had asked more substantive questions…
When I talk to media or anyone about this election, this is what I say, I call it my “Even if” speech:
“Even if, I could overlook the gender-biased media during the primaries,
Even if, I could overlook the shady Chicago politics and Rezko scandal,
Even if, I could swallow the 2 racist pastor(s),
Even if, I could overlook that the leadership of the DNC did nothing to defend Hillary Clinton from sexist attack
Even if, I could hold my nose because I find Obama incredibly arrogant,
CAUCUS FRAUD is where I draw the line.
I will _not_ vote for someone who knowingly engaged in a federal crime in order to get elected. PUMA’s are doing the country a great service by exposing this practice.”
#675 hillstheone
“why don’t you send it to Murphy, I’ve a feeling she’s keeping track of this stuff.”
Okie dokie… consider it done.
I’ll say good night… send off the email and then head to bed… it’s been a long day.
mzebest, same here, lol!
nite-nite, & sweet dreams…oh, & thanks for the links!
Thank you for the view at our PUMA’s in their den, Mzbest. I’ll leave for tonight as well. G’night everyone.
PS, speaking to the sexism…Uch, I’m very sorry I DID tune into see Bill Maher’s real talk or whatever his show is called. He called Palin a stewardess and a MILF. :/ And he mispronounced PUMA…cus ya know, it’s such a difficult word. lol
Ciao
HEY DANCES!!!! YEA NO DOUBT!!! BUT HAD TO GIVE HER HELL!!!
#597 Kempion
You were right about the Jon Stewart show. I just saw the opening minute about McCain & Palin and heard the stupid remark about the “third wife.”
Jon Stewart = BO’s thug
SouthJerseyPuma
The BO cyberbullies are out in force on that vile website. They are not worth responding to.
Lorelai #204;
Even better, get ClipMate from Thornsoft. It saves copied items and clips for as long as you want (in the temporary “Short Term” file(s)), and you can set up permanent “Long Term” save files, too. I have thousands of clippings going back years.
good morning pumas
I do not care if palin is prolife
I only care that she is respectfull with the situations that are unbearable to to others, very young girls pregnancies, rape, and the like….etc.
I do not believe in abortion as a contraceptic method,& only in the very 1rst t., everyone knows that is pregnant by the 2nd mo.
turndownobama $625;
Well, beats hell out of Reid!
The way I see it, most of the DNC response to Palin is complete sexist. Our government is made up of 3 branches, Executive, Legislature, and Judicial. Congress is legislature, and the President is executive. Obama has about 4 years legislature experience, Palin has about 2 years executive experience. So, on paper, Palin has more experience than Obama for an executive position. Howard Dean and the DNC feel Obama is more qualified. Again, they feel a less qualified MAN should get the job over a more qualified WOMAN. Sound familiar?
you are right kasota
Here’s my stand on all the raging debate over Palin’s pick
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/the-palin-debate/
Dang it, I can’t sleep, too worried about Gustav. Anybody else awake on here?
I am been talking to HILLARY´S supporters back in the states
yesterday and the day before
they do not understand the CLINTONS´s obimbo support
they feel all their support has gone down the drain
I have to say they are mad at the CLINTONS, maybe that is what DNC wanted to happen>>>> to kill the CLINTONS politically, I hope it does not happen
# 688 notyoursweetie – Great article and so TRUE!!!
#689 storytellers – Hillary plans to run in 2012 and she’ll need support from Obama people to win. She had to show support for Obama or else they would blame her for losing should Obama lose. It’s my GUT feeling that when it comes time to vote…Hillary will vote McCain but she’ll never, never admit it….LOL.
I can’t sleep – still coming down from the high of the big Sarah Palin announcement today. A total and complete guarantee of Nobama’s certain defeat. I am willing to bet anyone he will now lose OH, MI, AND PA. guaranteed. he was already losing FL (and still will) – this thing is a done deal.
the sweet, sweet thrill of the realization sinking in today with Nobam, Nobiden as well as all of the pundits that WE, WE the Hillary women (sorry guys, they’ve zeroed in on us gals) will swing this election. It was priceless!
And now they are frantic and fumbling, having no idea how to rip Sarah Palin to shreds without causing the very Hillary women they need to rush right over to vote for her. aaaaahhhhhh this day was beyond wonderful
KASOTA~ I HAD LAUGHED THINKING THE SAME THING~
I CAN IMAGINE HER DOING THAT!
AND WHILE IN DENVER I BOUGHT A HILLARY STUFFED DOLL LIKE ITEM IN A BLUE PANTSUIT~ WHEN I GO TO THE POLL’S LIL HILL CAN COME WITH ME AND HELP PUSH THE BUTTON FOR MC AGAIN! HEHE…
#691 hillaryrules – I agree. Howard Dean and the DNC are on defense right now. Here is the DNC standard Q&A.
So, Howard, what about PUMA? Howard: Well, once they figure out Palin is Pro-Choice, they’ll come around and vote for Obama.
OMG. I can’t tell you HOW MANY TIMES I’ve heard that line from the Dean and Obabma supporters.
southjerseyPuma – The way I see it, if Obama loses, two great things will happen. One, Dean is out and two, Hillary is in 2012!
HILLARYRULES~
YES!!!
KUDO’S TO JOHN AND A BIG THANK YOU TO STICKING IT TO EM’! OHHH TO WATCH THEM SQUIRM!!!!!!
JUST WAIT FOR THE REST OF THE FLOOR TO OPEN UNDER NEATH THEM AND WATCH THEM ALL FALL DOWN RIGHT TO WHERE THEY BELONG!!!
I love your excitement #691 hillaryrules!
Unfortunately, they know exactly how to rip Sarah Palin to shreds … through many in the MSM, through far left liberal sites like Huff-n-Puff, Daily Kos, and other sites where the drive-by media gets its talking points and through so called comedians like Bill Maher.
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And now they are frantic and fumbling, having no idea how to rip Sarah Palin to shreds without causing the very Hillary women they need to rush right over to vote for her.
Here’s a feel of hangover after the big toga party
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/pick-your-togas-and-your-empty-glasses-on-your-way-out/
Thanks #697 Notyoursweetie, I love your blog. Do you ever sleep? Lol
Sarah Palin —- Excellent choice by Senator McCain.
Encourage everyone read up on her, and her background. Someone of great leadership — and true honest leadership is something we need a lot more of in our government. She would be an outstanding team player along side Senator McCain as they work with an overwhelming Democratic majority in Congress (both houses).
Lots of good articles on Sarah Palin on RealClearPolitics.com.
Outstanding choice. Let’s get to know her.
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Continuing….
I will be voting for John McCain on 11/4/2008; but he has to come back to the middle of the road — and show the leadership I know he has to set a new course on our economy, including let the Bush tax cuts expire. Our economy is seriously in trouble. I will write more on this again later, as “if I needed to”.
I can say now I will vote for Senator McCain because I know he listens, has no arrogance, no self inflated ego nor bloated opinion of himself, and is just as human as the rest of us. He’ll listen. I know he will. BUT, it will take all of America to speak up… and I ask all great PUMA people who agree with me or agree with what I’m saying to speak up also — in their own voices.
Thank you.
Common Sense 12 or Common Sense Bruce
kasota
I am almost sure , she will
but somehow alone the way thru what means I do not know , she must I think let her supporters know what went on, not fromthemselves directly, the ways that always things get known,someone they trust came out explaining the mafious affair that went on,
it is really stupid, caring about if palin is hunter
come on
she comes from a place that hunting is about saving food for the large winters
it bathers me those very light comments
let see if would not vote unles they are vegeterian, there is too mich myth and propaganda behind all of this
Good morning Pride. What is the good news today?
Olberman was on his woman hating rants last night over Palin.
I fish… I have a firearm to protect my loved ones. I did not know we had to be granola eating, tree hugging hippie to be politically correct. Thank you for enlighting me.
Am I all alone here?
Lonely Puma
With Hurricane Gustav scheduled to make landfall in my backyard on Monday night or Tuesday morning, I hope that the RNC is somehow moved a few days later in the week. The RNC will be competing with Gustav for air time and I think the liberal press would love that. In fact, according to blowhard Michael Moore, this hurricane is proof that there is a God in heaven. I guess he finally found his religion.
It going to be an interesting week for sure. There’s definitely a sense of deja vu and anxiety in the air.
I am going to go do some research on Palin. Have a good day kids.
Goodmorning, I’m here too LibertyPuma.
I’m with you Liberty , good morning
yea, hi pac ( small pac)
Mick are you in the south?
soooo, what is the juice today? any good news?
@Mick
Thanks! early to sleep, early to blog!
Did any of you accidentally listen to olberman last night?
I fell asleep on the couch and guess “someone” had the tv on MSNBC!!! Yikes… I woke up to Olberman BLAH BLAH BLAH
LibertyPuma, I’m with ya. 9mm mom here.
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#704 LibertyPuma on 08.30.08 at 7:24 am I fish… I have a firearm to protect my loved ones. I did not know we had to be granola eating, tree hugging hippie to be politically correct. Thank you for enlighting me.
Olberman is a mowron …
Mick…. More women should learn to protect themselves. I heard that the girl scouts had taught fire arm saftey and caught hell over it.
Mornin Liberty and everyone wakin up
Ima 380 mom myself and love to fish!
The funny thing to me…. I USE to enjoy olberman and mathews back in the day.
I was blind… only wanting to hear what I wanted to hear.
You go Carrie… we have to empower ourselves. good morning early bird puma’s!!
LOL no worries on the blindness Liberty I used to support Obama…hehe talk about some tunnel vision!
Can we kick around pro choice for a second pac?
sure Im game
Carrie?? Really OBAMA? wow…… glad you see the light now.
I just liked listening to the bush bashing. LOL
Sure.
#724 LibertyPuma on 08.30.08 at 7:38 am Can we kick around pro choice for a second pac?
LOL me too, got caught up in the whole Hope and chane nonsense
I use to be a missionary. I was pro quality life. I have suported a womans right to choose. I am a lesbian and new that I most likely would not have to make such a difficult decision as to have or not have a child.
Need more coffee first.
How do you stnd on the issue and why?
Whoa. Are you sure it’s not too early for that question? LOL
#731 LibertyPuma on 08.30.08 at 7:42 am How do you stnd on the issue and why?
Mick….got your coffee?
I myself am a pro-choice pro lifer…
I could never ever have an abortion..I also do not think that it is the right of people so far removed to the situation to make the decision for the people involved. I don’t believe in late term abortion or the birth kind. First term should be the cut off, if you’ve put it off till after that then there is always adoption.
That’s all I have to say about that..
Well, I use to be pro-choice … but I’ve been pro-life now for the last 14 yrs.
Of course, that change didn’t happen overnight, it was a process that included a lot of soul searching and researching and some of my own personal experiences with people who had abortions.
Thank you Carrie. I am sick of the media saying we only care about Roe v wade. Regardless…. roe v wade cannot be over turned. there is NO plan B. It is a scare tactic. don’t you think?
I saw this on Uppity Woman’s site, and had heard the comments of John Roberts of CNN Re his belief Gov. Palin would not have time to be Veep because of her Downs Syndrom child. She got some of this from Sugar, another blogger (enjoy her and Patsy on Blog Talk Radio)
http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/
Mick………. I hear you. ok. we can move on now.
it is hard to get in. It has taken me hours
NO I think that those rights are fairly well protected. I am not as worried about Roe V Wade this election as I am the stealing of the white house or future wars or a million other things.. I am a woman but not one you can shake a hot button issue at an expect me to fall in line.
Good Morning Pumas. A brand NEW DAY! Still wheeling and whirlling from the great news of Palin as VP pick. Seals the deal for McCain ( IMHO) and makes it easier for a protest vote against NOBO!!
So does anyone have documented evidence of where Palin stands on gay rights??? I think she opposed gay marriage…but heard she supported partner benefits. None of the candidates that I know of support gay “marriage” leaving that option to the States to decide….including Hillary.
I could probably recruit lots of gays and lesbians to join PUMA if Palin supports gay partner benefits, at least.
Can anyone in the know… help???
hey….gotta go feed the horses. take care pac
like this is weird i got in without logging in. None of the links work.There is nothing here to get me in. I don’t want to spend 4 hours a day trying to get in here
Sorry LibertyPuma, my internet access is acting up.
Anyway, I could say a lot more on this topic but out of respect for my new pro-choice PUMA friends I would rather not use this blog for that purpose.
I do appreciate your thoughts a subject that is very sensitive to both sides of the aisle.
If anybody ever wants to talk about this in a private setting through email I would be happy to share my experiences and thoughts.
Next topic.
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#738 LibertyPuma on 08.30.08 at 7:51 am
I myself am a pro-choice pro lifer…
I could never ever have an abortion..I also do not think that it is the right of people so far removed to the situation to make the decision for the people involved. I don’t believe in late term abortion or the birth kind. First term should be the cut off, if you’ve put it off till after that then there is always adoption.
That’s all I have to say about that..
Mick………. I hear you. ok. we can move on now.
am i in the wrong place or something????Links do not work
I’ve scrolled for an hr. can’t find any links for Hardball.
Can someone post it if possible?
141 I like the idea ~~ NJ Lautenberg is up for reeelection
152 Thanks for your list I copied and will use it for a reminder when confronted by my friend (Dem for BO)
I do totally LOVE that Palin is going to be the headline in every newspaper today!!
It’s a great day for ALL women. I’m sooooo happy that my 13 yr. old daughter can experience this!!
I guess i am talking to myself. Gees i think i will go to bed
Gotta run kiddos, hope y’all have a great NObama day!!
Please continue your prayers for LA and the surrounding states.
#745 sandipuma, links are working fine for me. Had trouble the other day and had to do a compurter re-boot. Everything ok now.
not one link has worked all day and now i got in without logging in. Then had to go through threads and don’t ask me how but i finally got this one. If i have been having trouble how many new ones are having trouble. We don’t want that.
when you try to click on the last post it is black and does nothing.
Sandi, delete the cookies on your computer.
Does anyone have any info about the documentary that was being filmed? Has it been released, will it be released??
There are 4 good programs to clean your computers ,and they are free.
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PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT
PUMAs can you please post a link so that I can see Murphy on Hardball.
I watched it twice last night but would like to see it again when I can listen carefully to the issues instead of being awed by her being on.
Thank you good PUMAs
TO NOT YOUR SWEETIE: They removed the VIDEO, you posted
First time I got to see Murphy, You do ok, don’t knock your self with the TV
and PS I think we are alot stronger than 10,000—a little misrepresentation from “what’s HIS name”
Good morning PUMAs!
Can someone tell me what it meant when California and Illinois passed during the roll call???
Thanks!
741 zephyr
Here is her records on gay rights. She has Honestly, she is much like many other politicians from both sides of the aisle. Given that she is a “conservative”, this is about as good as we could hope for.
Palin has said she has good friends who are gay,[21] opposes same-sex marriage,[21] but complied with an Alaskan state Supreme Court order and signed an implementation of same-sex benefits into law, stating that legal options to avoid doing so had run out.[84] She supported a non-binding referendum for a constitutional amendment to deny benefits to homosexual couples.[85]
#757 FLgayGuy4Hill
It meant that the delegates didn’t do their job and stand up for the will of the people!!
Hello again — all great PUMA people…
In support of our theme, and over your morning coffee, you must download and read the following from Charles Krauthammer. I found my copy on RealClearPolitics.com, but it also is accessible through WashingtonPost.com.
“THE PERFECT STRANGER” by Charles Krauthammer, August 29, 2008.
Have fun everybody. I’ve read it three times, and my wife who has the copy now has read it twice, and is starting her third time also. I guarantee great laughter.
Thank you.
Have a great day everybody.
We can do this!
Common Sense 12 or Common Sense Bruce
morning all
someone was asking about palin and her gay rights agenda. From what I have heard she inAlaska has one man one woman marriage BUT with full bemefits for gay unions.
#759 jennforhillary
But is that due to a possible split and they didn’t want to make it known (like MA who took a bunch of crap for their overwhelming support for HRC in the roll call)? Just trying to figure out the psychology behind the “pass”. Illinois shocked me because that is an Obama state.
I like the NDP idea, but don’t think you can change the old DP without defeating Pelosi, OHB, etc. YOU MUST REPLACE THEM by supporting a 3rd canitate (a NDP canitate!!!) Problem is that this is impossible to do without breaking the two party lock on elections.
People don’t want to waste their vote on a 3rd party canidate. My solution would be to change the election process. Allow a 1st and 2nd choice for all elected offices so people can vote 3rd party without wasting their votes. If no canitate get 50% of the vote, eliminate the least popular canidate and repeat the tally until someone wins.
Does anyone agree? The Dems and Reps would never allow this to happen though.
The suggested rebuttal on another site for men who are all of a sudden worried about Roe is to encourage them to get vasectomies. Sounds good to me. I don’t think I want these clueless hypocrites propagating.
I think the pass was to make it more dramatic when they gave their votes to Hillary to distribute..At least on Illinois anyway..not sure about CA
Once more
PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT
PUMAs can you please post a link so that I can see Murphy on Hardball.
I watched it twice last night but would like to see it again when I can listen carefully to the issues instead of being awed by her being on.
Thank you good PUMAs
I hope this woman isnt the
threat she seemed to be yesterday to people. She seems strong with some ideas we dont share but it is exciting to have a woman considered for vp. Better than our party did. I had planned to vote mcCain anyway .This doenst change that either way cause it is a protest vote.
I stood up for Hillary ( yes shes still my first choice and will be pres. next term)and I will stand up for this woman. So tired hearing RowvWade .It wont happen sp judge has said over 30 yrs is a must stay. They better get over it it isnt the threat they try to make it. We arent stupid.tell them to sit down or fall in line with us.I am a Dem and always will be. This vote doesnt make me a Repub.It makes me vote country not party that left me. I will always be a dem and will vote for those that stayed with Hillary. Rest NO I WONT. I left yesterday felt all of sudden in a different world.I dont tell people who to vote for lots of 3rd party people. I think McCain makes bigger impact but we have learned any inpact is better than none.
If this puts me out of line with the site ,pumas , or this blog . Is ok I respect everyone here.I will lurk though for a bit off and on and will not impose.
Hunting is an ok thing with me so th eanimals dont starve. I have seen that withdeer.It is horrable. She eats Carabo(spelling yuk)People in Ak. do. I have a cousin there. Went to teach school there in beginning.Also the animals love the pipeline .It keeps them warm. I guess I am just saying a lot of sides to look at on everything. Thats why we are Pumas. Thanks
This from many Obots all over the net …
“PUMAS are Really Republicans! It’s a scam!”
WTH? Why do people believe this crap?
Thanks for the heads up CommomSense12 and here’s the link ~
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/obama_the_mysterious_s.html
Mama
I was looking for it as well but for some reason video are crashing my computer..
#765 MamaPuma on 08.30.08 at 9:13 am
I’m having trouble finding a link. Nothing on the net yet.
Does one token Republican make it so?
Lol
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#767 mick on 08.30.08 at 9:14 am This from many Obots all over the net …
“PUMAS are Really Republicans! It’s a scam!”
WTH? Why do people believe this crap?
Mama did you try msnbc’s site. click on hardball and it might be there. Oh good morning all.
It occurs to me that we are all a group of centrists with a core philosophy of liberal thought. Everyone being equal, as in men, women, GLBT, and race; universal health care, good schools, college for everyone, equal pay for equal work, pro choice but not to an extreme, seems to be the theme.
We seem to be the heart of the country, the two major political parties seem to be the extreme. Perhaps those of us who are centrist have finally found our voice. Perhaps that voice is a PUMA ROAR?
Jane-pa
I have pondered the irony for sometime: Republicans often do what the Democrats say they are for, but never seem to get around to. We turn ourselves inside out with our bragging about Women and Minorities being one of our basic causes, then we either do the affirmative action thing to a fault or dissregard some of our better talent, as in the Hillary case. Then the Republicans show us up by quietly going about including both genders and all minorities without any fanfare.
How interesting is that?
henrietta
im so glad im not the only one that noticed that.
My dear pumas,
I unfortunately do not agree with most of you that McCain/Palin is a perfect ticket. I will never vote for Obama, but now can’t even cast a protest vote for McCain because of Palin’s medival stance on abortion rights and her total lack of experience, not to mention bismal stance of drilling for oil in the Artic National Wildlife refuge. So having no choices I will only vote for local/congress, etc democratic condidates in Nov. It Is so sad that such a great country can not produce better candidates for POTUS.
#761 Jane-pa
That is was I found in my research. She simply opposes the “marriage certificate” for gays & lesbians. She has approved the right to retain their benefits (one works the other stays home-the latter receives the worker’s benefits).
#773 Henerietta
I agree with you now! I can’t believe how many Democrats are saying Palin should not be running because of the baby with downs. Makes me very sad that what I thought was my party for so many years is using this issue. I live with to downs silbings and both are such an important part of my life and family!
I am still concerned about our first goal of making sure Obama does not win. He has the attack teams out on the internet and here is the rasmussen report just out now
Saturday, August 30, 2008 Email to a FriendAdvertisement
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday is the first to include reaction to both Barack Obama’s acceptance speech and John McCain’s selection of Sarah Palin to be his running mate. The numbers are little changed since yesterday and show Barack Obama attracting 47% of the vote nationwide while John McCain earns 43%. When “leaners” are included, it’s Obama 49% and McCain 45% (see recent daily results).
Obama currently leads by thirteen points among women while McCain leads by six among men. Among white women, the candidates are essentially even while McCain holds a substantial lead among white men (see other recent demographic observations).
mkp651
I just don’t recognize my democrat friends and colleagues anymore. I’m afraid to speak, they’ve become so aggressive as if saying you don’t approve of BO policies or inexperience was chastising their messiah.
I feel your pain. My husband and I don’t even talk about it anymore. We live in different states due to work and this is one time that thats a very good thing!
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GoHillaryGo
Give that a couple of days…the Palin effect has not set in.
The true picture may come out after the Rep. convention and once people start paying attention to the race for POTUS.
the poll numbers are better than yesterday for McCain. Yesterday I believe they were 49 to 41
Pumas have shown an interest and capacity to research views and points of views. I researched Palin a while back. You all need to do the same. She bucked the corrupt Republican establishment in Alaska; She rejected the corrupt bridge to nowhere wanted by that establishment. She reconfigured and reformed fiscal out of control spending and budgeting. And her view on drilling is not a knee jerk, let’s do it, but has a variety of angles which as well recognize environmental issues.
At least she has something toresearch, Obama still hasn’t done anythingexcept run for office …lest we all forget that little major point.
I am so tired of the abortion issue. I myself don’t believe in abortion and it should only be done for the health of the Mother.
No matter what you say, life begins at conception. I seen my son in the womb and I was only 5 weeks along. You could see the heart beating.
I do believe that it is a womans right to choose.
I have a better time with a woman who is against abortion than a man who is. I think she will turn out for the best. We all knew anyone the GOP picked would be pro-life. That is one of their mantras just like the threat of having Roe VS Wade repealed is for the Dems.It is a non issue I think. It is big business too and hundreds of thousands of people would be unemployed. I am sure those doctors have many lobbyists in place to make sure it does not happen. I love the fact that she is know to be an excellent debater, many of the Obots are saying she will be eaten alive by Biden. Making him look like a total jerk would be entertaining.
#790 hillaryistheone
Completely agree
abortion bad
rights good!
Hillaryistheone – I agree with you, I am tired of every election being about abortions. I don’t believe anyone will overturn Roe vs Wade and if they start to, then we get active. I believe it has to be up to each woman individually. It is just always an issue that is pulled out to get votes and I feel there are other important things to consider as well.
#793 SoCal Girl, AMEN Caracal Carrie and SoCal Girl.
I agree that it is our right to choose. But, it should be a choice that doesn’t have to be made often. It shouldn’t be like going to the doctor to have a wart removed.
If they try to get Roe VS Wade overturned, they open up a whole can of worms with contraception too. They would have to outlaw that since many forms involve a viable fertilized egg to not take hold. I don’t think anything will happen. But then we can all get active just like SoCal Girl mentioned.
Jon Stewart is irreverent to almost anyone. But I do question the veracity of that posting since Jon Stewart is only on 4 nights a week and the missing daily show is on a FRIDAY. There must have been an “extra edition!!!”
A visit to the Alaska governor’s site would be a good place to start to research. Read every one of her Ececutive Orders, beginning from when she entered office until now. Review of EOs is always a good place to start to see a beginning point of view, especially with a new Governor and with a “so called” reform Governor.
What did she do when she was tested as a new up and coming Republican at the State level and was put as head of the Ethics group regarding OIL, ..? After a year, she said she was resigning because the Ethics Commission had no Ethics….Does this sound like what we have seen for 8 years with Bush? No. Does McCain sound like Bush, when McCain in fact was dessimated ny his own partyfor breaking with them in 2000 ?
No. I want a Presidency where the President runs the country, not a committe of unknowns, behind the scenes, as will happen with Mobimba. I am voting McCain/Palin. And I will never be a Repbulican, ever.
I am also voting against every Democrat running in my state..they all rolled over to this radical usurpation.
And that includes, Mary Landrieu, for whom I have voted for 25 years.
I agree with Shasta that it makes me uncomfortable when the men take a big stand against abortion. I think if the unborn child is theirs they should have a say, if they feel like supporting it. I am enjoying reading about Palin and find this all pretty exciting. She is new, but what the heck , let’s see what she is made of.
LadyHawke, you are way ahead of yourself! I KNOW in my heart that IF we all stick with the plan, and Obama loses after this HUGE run campaign that HILLARY will win against Jesus Christ because then ALL DEMOCRATS will KNOW they should have followed their guts and stuck with Hillary….McCain will do one term based on age alone, I do not see Palin running, and IF she did she would not stack up woman to woman against HRC because of HRC’s political experience..BUT, right NOW she is certainly better than OBAMA and Washington insider Biden…IF we do NOT keep OBAMA out, WE will NEVER see HRC in the Whitehouse! Also, with Palin being VP, it SHOULD help HRC’s cause for running again…HRC had many who would not vote for her based on being a woman, hopefully Palin will help disspell some of those myths…BUT IF Obama gets elected get ready for him to set up MICHELLE OBAMA as PRESIDENT in 2016, we will have OBAMA for 2 terms…and by then IF America is even salvagable, HRC will likely not attempt to run again! RIGHT NOW the FOCUS has to be on keep our votes from Obama!
I will not be voting for some of the Dems here in Florida. They had Debbie Wasserman-Schultz on a show and she sounded nasty. We have house cleaning to do here in Florida. With the exception of Bill Nelson of course! He got very quiet after BO was selected.
#797 NewOrleansPuma, Right On!! you have the views that we all should have. I hope all the Democratic Judas’s are booted out of office.
Received the following (quote) in an email from WomenCount.
“….Already on CNN this morning there was discussion about whether it was appropriate for Gov. Palin to take on this role given that she has a four-month-old baby with Down Syndrome. Dana Bash, the CNN reporter who is covering McCain’s campaign, quite rightly asked whether the same question would be asked of a male candidate who is the father of a newborn with Down Syndrome…”
Whether you are for Palin or against her – we need to acknowledge this comment is not the question that should be asked regarding a woman candidate.
Palin is not going to have any easier a time than Hill had – but it appears that there will be different gender-related issues for people to use in attacking Palin.
Last congressional election, I did phone calling to get out the vote for Baron Hill, even though I don’t live in his district. He took more than $100,000 in bundled campaign contributions from Obama and his supporters. Hill voted for Obama as a super delegate, even though his congressional district voted almost 70% for Hillary!
Guess who is going to work against Hill in this election? Another Hoosier Puma, Alice, lives in that district. She and I are going to make Mr. Hill’s path to re-election a living nightmare. I have already called my local Republican vice chair, (a professional friend) and offered to assist Mr. Hills opponent with information that I have.
I want all of these sell outs to know that we know what they did and will not go along to get along.
PEOPLE please STOP BUYING the PROPAGANDA of ROE V WADE, that is CASE LAW, it is NOT in threat for being overturned, EVEN the POPE knows this!
FOR the RECORD>>>>>>>>
Supreme Court Justices are elected to a seat for LIFE, unless they DIE or RETIRE, then their appointment is a LONG drawn out process….DEMOCRATS STILL CONTROL CONGRESS…this WOULD PREVENT a complete change of the balance of the Supreme Court…the ROE v WADE is nothing more than a petty arguement made by the Obama camp, it will NOT be outlawed, even the PROLIFERS KNOW THIS!
Let it go…it is LOW on the ISSUES…it is a personal decision regarding each woman, and not really for debate with people who it would never effect like MEN….
It is a propaganda tool….
REMEMBER, that NORMA MCCORVEY is ROE…and SHE could not even get her own CASE overturned!!!!!!!!!
SHE is HEAD of OPERATION RESCUE…I have spoken with her many times personally, EVEN she knows that what happened in 1971 is LAW….and she was the PLANTIFF in the CASE!
NO OBAMA….Hillary 2012
What bothers the men about Palin is…..her husband is a stay at home MR. MOM!! Good for him, that just makes me respect them more.
It sounds like the gender bashing is starting all over again, and by the SAME PEOPLE!
OK Big call for ACTION: Let us not allow any of this to even get started! When they bash Sarah, they are bashing every one of us who ever worked in a public capacity. Even if I disagree with her on many things, one thing is clear: She does not deserve personal attacks on her womanhood, motherhood, or intentions. We will not have her Hillaried!
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Exactly! Skin tone and gender aren’t enough if those people aren’t advocating for their groups. McCain’s choice is offensive in its condescension, and shows a complete lack of undertanding (although, he appears to be a genius compared to the obamination).
Dems have this week thrown POWs and parents of disabled children under the bus. I do not see how anyone with a sense of decency can support this party. I admire the efforts to reform the party, but it will take an heroic effort. The dem leadership and their media mouthpieces are a massive cesspool.
I am glad MCcain chose Palin but I am here for Hillary and there is only one Hillary Clinton and she is unique.
Both McCain and Palin can proudly point to a lot of friends and associates in their past history Unlike Obama here are no gaps to hide or run away from. What was most notable at the Democratic Convention was the lack of anyone who could stand up for Obama. No one from his days in Hawaii, no one from his days in college or law school, no one from his days as a community worker or at his church of twenty years. No one from his days as a politician in Chicago. The only people we saw were a lot of celebrities like Oprah. Below is an article from the the real barack obama that further discusses Obama’s curious lack of friends that were there to stand up for him at the Dem convention.
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/
Posted by: Mary | Aug 29, 2008 8:16:36 PM
———–Wow great Mary…worth posting and reading again and again!
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Before I catch up on all the posts……I will say it again….to ALL THOSE IN THE PATH OF STORMS PLEASE BE SAFE.
Pretjene, that was my point too, drop that issue. It is a way to scare people and it is obsolete.
It was very gutsy of Sen. McCain to pick Palin, this has made the race all fresh and new to me. I was so sad and disgusted after the D convention. I will never vote BO and even though I have always been a Dem, I am sick of the whole party right now. I love that PUMA started the New party.
Murphy. I think PUMAPAC should try and see if PUMA members can get priority seats to all Palin events as she travels the country. Then different PUMAS could post their impressions on the blog. This would help those of us who are undecided gather more information about McCain/Palin. It would not be an endorsement and we may have contradictory impressions. You would have some way to screen out the Obamabots-perhaps by knowing who has been a regular on the blog, contributed money, or whatever.
#805Hillaryistheone: He is also an Eskimo, a member of the United Steel Workers Union (Palin alsowas a former union member) And whenthe State of Alaska started to receive additonal profits from the deal Palin set up regarding oil in her state, she sent a percentage of those profits to the people of Alaska…Heard any Democrat come up with that used to be Democratic idea?
Married to a minority? Member of a Labor union?
Hey…who holds down some of what traditional Democrats hold? Not the Mobimba crew…And who in the partybalanced the budget and gave us a surplus?
Bill…and what two people do the usurping radicals want out of power permanently? B&H,,..Sweep all of the Dems out of office. Let them find something else to do…and let some of you younger Pumas run for city, county, state, and national committee and office.
This is the seachange needed….Anyone who did not have the integrity to stand and submit a vote for Hillary Clinton, having been sent there to do so, and having not done so, no matter what she said, does not have the backbone to represent me.
#566 blue jay
I’m so TOTALLY with you on this one, my heart and spirit is with the Arctic Refuge and Gwich’in’ too! The Coastal Plain area is the biological heart and babies nursery, the area under assault by multinational oil monopolies. There is so much more to this sacred ground that the powerful record profit monopolies do not want people to know about When I watched Palin speak I was truly impressed with her but a knot formed in my gut, intuition, and it will be so critical to elect progressives into Congress and get wilderness status to protect this amazing habitat. The NRDC is a great resource so is the Alaska Wilderness league http://www.alaskawild.org/.
#793 SoCal Girl on 08.30.08 at 9:55 am Hillaryistheone – I agree with you, I am tired of every election being about abortions. I don’t believe anyone will overturn Roe vs Wade and if they start to, then we get active. I believe it has to be up to each woman individually. It is just always an issue that is pulled out to get votes and I feel there are other important things to consider as well.
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They cannot overturn Roe V Wade, it will infringe a person’s right to privacy which is guaranteed under our constitution. For 40 years, the Democrats ONLY occupy 12 years out of 40 (Carter and Clinton); Roe V Wade was not overturned, even in the 90’s when majority in Congress and Senate was Republicans it was never overturned. The problem with the Democratic Party, they use Roe V Wade every four years to scare voters targetting women.
If we examine closely the democratic party, it disable people; it believes you MUST depend on the government to do everything for you.
So many governors in Alaska are Republicans that includes Sarah Palin, they cannot change the law on its own, if they do that is infringement of a person’s right to privacy. Even democrats in Alaska are conservatives to moderate, they don’t believe in extremism.
When we talk about environmentalism, majority of Alaskans are ENVIRONMENTALIST, but they’re environmentalist who uses COMMON SENSE. About ANWR, if the state open it for oil drilling, they would have all kinds of safeguards to protect the environment, like they’ve done in North Slope. When oil pipeline was built in Alaska in the 70’s the biggest consideration are wildlife, pipelines were built very high so wildlife can always go to their grazing ground during migration. When we talk about environmentalism, I give MORE credit to the people of Alaska, they’re the TRUE ENVIRONMENTALIST. The biggest industry of Alaska is oil, second is fishing, third is logging. These three big industries that fuels the economy of Alaska (richest state of the Union) are heavily monitored and all kinds of safeguard are installed to protect the environment. They don’t waste anything in Alaska, the worst crime you can commit against the people of Alaska is WANT AND WASTE, people will chew your butt from one end to the other especially your neighbors. I’ve seen people from Lower 48 going there and throw their garbage anywhere they please which make people of Alaska very very angry because it attracts wild animals and can cause death for our wildlife.
Palin-2006–Supported bridge to no where–before she changed her mind yesterday
pro drilling in Anwar
against abortion-even w/incest and rape
and for those of you who think abortion is a non issue–Mccain will be appointing 3 judges duing his term-vowed they would be pro life–I understand how congress works-but I also know the power of the president.
Good luck GOP lovers–I am going w/Nader.
THE GOP must think we are idiots–that we will vote for any women-just because they are a women…Are they kidding? insulting.
#817 c4hill on 08.30.08 at 10:30 am
That is personal view of Sarah Palin, that is not the state’s view. RIGHT TO CHOOSE is alive and well in Alaska. The law is the law.
The bridge to nowhere was an earmark by the previous administration which is beyond the control of Sarah Palin. When she became the governor, she told US Congress, thanks but no thanks. Her favorable rating in Alaska is above 80%, she’s a REFORMER, she goes after her OWN party to clean the State of Alaska. How many democrats have done the same thing what she had done in the state of Alaska?
#816…Asian4Hillary…I want to thank you for your posts and your insights on Alaska. It helps tremendously to sort through why McCain picked her. Personally, I think it’s brilliant for McCain to do so. I have always found it hard to believe that the same people who hunt and fish are the same ones that want to destroy the environment they so enjoy. I have never been able to resolve this for myself. Perhaps bringing her into the debate will shed some light onto these issues and she just may be the voice for environmental and energy progress.
817 c4hill
“Good luck GOP lovers–”
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No need to mischaracterize PUMAs who will be voting for McCain in order to prevent the affirmative action faux-nominee from “winning” the presidency.
#817 c4hill on 08.30.08 at 10:30 am
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Oh no … here we go again…
I guess I’ll come back when we’re done trying to use the typical scare tactics against each other and start giving each other more credit for having the wisdone to figure out who we want to vote for on our own and why we’d make that choice. geesh
Murphy! Can we please have some movement toward getting people working together toward our common goals. This lull in the action is starting to wear on some good folks and they’re leaving the blog.
ah, its a brand new day, brand new college football season. ESPN gameday is on and it really does look like the “postgame” from BO’s speech the other night….
So happy college football is starting…. Nice diversion from watching the holy one….
I am tired of the Roe vs wade issue. It is not going to be overturned and it just keeps coming up and is being used by the Dems. I actually do not know enough about Sarah Palin to pass judgement on her. I will not agree 100% with any candidate. I was born and raised in California so I know nothing about the lifestyle of those that have been raised in areas and families where hunting is a part of life. I have respect for those people it is a way of life. I have friends with down syndrome babies and they treat them the same as the other children. They have special needs however the moms I know do a great job of balancing family and work. My husband and I both worked when our children were young. We shared in the daily chores and taking care of the kids. Sometimes he did more than me. There is no reason she can’t do the job and still be a good mom and wife.
Bill used to call the hogs in Arkansas!!!! University of Arkansas needed another clinton in the white house so they could have won another NCAA basketball national championship. University of Arkansas is in mourning and I, a fellow SEC student am in mourning with them.
Nobama Dem — yes we can, but we also need some rest. There are no prowls or action items planned for Labor Day Weekend.
This weekend is a time for reflection, reading, and rest.
New post up — feel free to repost comments.
Take it upstairs!
This was a good post on Puma unity. I am truly enraged at the Dems. Why? Why? Why did they do this??
Ya know they suck at politics.
My brother has now put his tinfoil hat on and is saying the Dems want to throw elections. He thinks big corporations own both parties and like a wrestling mach elections are pre determined reality shows.
I found it hard to argue this conspiracy theory with him.
Its more a power struggle inside the party to me but that doesn’t explain all the elections for president that Dems have lost.
They do defeat themselves quite a bet.
The Dems don’t comet to win the game. They come to play games.
The Repubs got there act together. I don’t think they need to cheat if the Dems make baboons of them selves.
This is a cultural thing too. Many Dems I know really did not get how angry I am. “REALLY don’t get” ya know what I am saying?
After yesterday there is some realization that they are now venerable to my anger. LOL.
I am hearing junk like “How could you live with 4 more years of…” Like that is working. The abortion thing is up in my face now. The same old talk. Yet they are the most grievous offenders as of the last year. I definitely don’t want 4 to 8 years of that.
The Dems need to take a good hard look at themselves.
This Nintendo, Apple, fan boy junk the Dems have adopted is a horrible political tool. As useful as a high school click.
They have just gone full on Bozo.
Yet if they had not done all this and made me feel this way would there have ben woman VP? Particularly on the Repubs side??
I think the Dems will have another woman or minority but the Repubs may never do this again.
I am feeling pretty good about my vote considering what it is in aid of. Now how could the Dems win me back in 2008?
They burned any bridges between us and the core of engineers couldn’t repair them in time.
Well this is how we learn I guess.
Kempion,
Re: My comments to you @ #574 on 08.30.08 at 1:12 am regarding the Jon Stewart Show.
I am so sorry. You are right. There was a Jon Stewart Show on Friday night. Though I didn’t see the whole thing, I have no reason to doubt your report about Stewart’s comments about S. Palin are true.
I am so sorry for jumping down your throat before carefully verifying that there was/wasn’t a show on Friday. My nerves were a bit frazzled; it seemed a rather chaotic day on the blog yesterday and I let it get to me.
Again, I am so sorry. Please accept my apology. I will ask Murphy to delete my posts on the matter.
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Queen81
#604 bruce55555 on 08.30.08 at 1:48 am
Kempion was right about the Jon Stewart Show. There WAS a show on Friday night. I jumped down his throat unfairly. Above is my apology to him. The show usually doesn’t tape on Fridays and I failed to check that there was a special show last night. He was right.
She simply opposes the “marriage certificate” for gays & lesbians.
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She is “simply” against equal civil rights then.
Might as well be saying:
She simply opposes blacks riding in the front of the bus, they can still ride the bus though.
Keep in mind not only will an Obama Presidency prevent Hillary from getting into the Whitehouse, it will take DECADES to recover from what Obama is going to do.
McCain and Palin will at a minimum not be a disaster. And it will give Hillary another shot.
Roe vs. Wade isn’t going anywhere. Look at Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II. I think its safe. There are too many other things going on Iraq, Iran, Russia, gas prices, home prices etc., The next President is going to be too busy to in order to concern themselves with Roe vs. Wade. Especially with a Dem majority in the house and senate.
Murphy,
Please delete my posts @
#588 BrooklynNY on 08.30.08 at 1:24 am
#584 BrooklynNY on 08.30.08 at 1:17 am
#576 BrooklynNY on 08.30.08 at 1:13 am
#574 BrooklynNY on 08.30.08 at 1:12 am
Thanks.
I agree totally that Palin is being held to a different standard. Sound familiar? You bet, the MSM is in full attack mode.
CNN ran a headline that Palin was being investigated because of a controversial firing. I will not stand by while another female candidate is trashed like Hillary. BO and his thugs are bad for America.
Everytime a BO pundit brings up Palin’s inexperience, it automatically triggers BO’s laughable “community organizer” resume.
Hannity’s comment was perfect. DP is questioning her energy credentials and BO is promoting “putting air in your tires and windmill energy.
#817 I am no GOP Lover. Neither am I a radical illegal socialist lover, nor in anyway in need of a woman to represent me anywhere. I have reviewed Palin just as I reviewed Hillary Clinton, as I review every candidate.
You come to a different conclusion. Fine. Moreover, Icould give a rat’s you know what for what the GOP, the radical socialists, or for that matter, you think about my conclusions. I find your tone cynical and nasty. Nader is a fine alternative,.
as far as I am concerned, but Nader will not win. And I will not take my vote off the map on election day.
goooood mooornninngggg PUMAS!
What a great day to be a PUMA! McCain/Palin 2008!!!
and please – whoever keeps mentioning Roe Vs Wade, get over it! If it hasn’t been overturned by now – IT WON”T BE – I think we have bigger fish to fry in this country.
I WILL – FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY ADULT LIFE – GIVE MY VOTE GLADELY TO MCCAIN/PALIN. I THINK HE IS A TRUE GOOD AMERICAN AND SHE ROCKS! SHE SEEMS LIKE ONE OF US. AN HONEST HARDWORKING WOMAN BALANCING FAMILY AND LIFE! I ABSOLUTELY LOVE HER!
IS SHE PRO LIFE? – YES – THOSE ARE HER BELIEFS…. SHE HAS THAT RIGHT. BUT SHE ALSO BELIEVES IN HELPING AND WORKING FOR THE PEOPLE – NOT GOVERNMENT…….I THINK SHE WILL NOT BE MORE OF THE SAME, BUT WILL SHAKE THINGS UP BIT IN WASHINGTON! I WILL BE HAPPY TO SEE MCCAIN/PALIN KEEP HILLARY’S SEAT WARM FOR 4 YEARS.
GO MCCAIN/PALIN……
HILLARY 08
Hey I keep on trying to post a comment on Hillaryclinton.com under her blog and it won’t post. Does anyone know why? do they review them before they post? I had tons of trouble with that. Maybe I’m just writing too much.
IN SUPPORT OF OUR WINNING THEME …..
I am going to post the following for everyone’s review this weekend. It is something I ran in the Miami Herald in early August. The content of what I’m saying was pertinent then, is pertinent today, and is supportive of our winning theme.
Our theme is, our vote on November 4th is what’s best for all America, and race is not an issue. We all are equal in this country. It says so in the Constitution, and all 350 million Americans are doing our best to make that happen. The people on this site are going to work very hard to elect the team of Senator John McCain and Governor Sarah Palin.
Continuing, the following is an exact rerun of my posting from early August, this month:
“UNFORTUNATELY, RACE CARD POLITICS IS HERE AGAIN
I thought we were finished with Race-Card Politics. It is unfortunate, but Barack Obama and his campaign team are playing that (Race Card) again. It is regrettable, but as voters everywhere, we must reject it and reject it soundly.
This is when Mr. Obama said just last week that Republicans would try to scare voters by pointing to the Obama (funny name) and the fact that (he does not look like all those other presidents on those dollar bills).
The Obama campaign started this (race card) matter very successfully (from their perspective) in South Carolina against Hillary Clinton. Since it worked for them then, they thought why not bring it up again.
From RealClearPolitics.com this morning (8/3/2008) we see the RCP National Average of all major polls still languishing for Mr. Obama at a slim + 2.7 points over John McCain. Before the triumphant whirlwind tour overseas by Mr. Obama, including Iraq where he shot some hoops including a three pointer (all net) before a packed gym of soldiers, the RCP National Average was approximately + 6.0. Mr. Obama feels he had to do something to get his Polls numbers back up again. Here in Florida, RCP is showing a virtual (tie) with John McCain, or rather McCain is ahead by +0.5.
It will not work this time. The voters nationwide are weary of all this (race-baiting). We are worried about jobs, jobs being lost all over this country, jobs being lost here in Florida, putting food on our kitchen table, people losing health care insurance, finishing up in Iraq, etc. etc. For Mr. Obama to bring up the race card again shows he feels desperate, and he wants to change the subject to something that worked for him before. Well this time the American people will not fall for it.
I am posting the following outstanding article (portions there of) from the public record which Bill Maxwell put out earlier this year. It was applicable then, and it applies now.
Bill Maxwell’s status as one of the country’s preeminent black journalists is unquestioned. Mr. Maxwell writes a twice-weekly column for the St. Petersburg Times, and is syndicated by the New York Times News Service and by Scripps-Howard. His columns appear in 200 newspapers worldwide.
Bill Maxwell, (Obama’s Dangerous Halo), Scripps Howard News Service, February 27, 2008.
From the article: Quotation: (There are those who suggest, only half-jokingly, that Obamamania has become something of a cult. Of course it is a cult, manifesting what writer James Wolcott refers to as (salvational fervor) and (pure euphoria). Listen to what the Anointed One said in South Carolina at one of his rallies, which he alludes to as tent revivals: (At some point in the evening, a light is going to shine down and you will have an epiphany and you will say, (I have to vote for Barack!) Something insidious is happening beneath this rapture. Because of the halo effect, too many people are afraid to sincerely criticize Obama for fear of being attacked and otherwise humiliated. Many white Democrats who do not support Obama are keeping their heads down and their mouths shut. They do not want to be denounced as racists for preferring Hillary Rodham Clinton for reasons that have nothing to do with race).
Continuing in the article: (Even the networks’ late night talk-show hosts and MSNBC’s prime-time troika of Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann and Dan Abrams are swooning for Obama. Predictably, the people most negatively affected by Obamamania are blacks who have resisted the new, emerging black monolith by supporting Clinton. These poor souls are being excoriated by other blacks and sometimes labeled as self-loathing Uncle Toms. The irony is that at the beginning of the campaign, conventional wisdom held that Obama was (not black enough). He had to prove his black bona fides. After all, his mother was a white Kansan, his father a Kenyan. He was born too late for the civil rights movement. Now the tables have turned, with the overwhelming majority of blacks zealously supporting him. That support is the new litmus test for being (authentically black).
The attacks against ordinary blacks who do not support the Haloed One are nasty enough, but they pale in comparison to the abuse being absorbed by famous blacks, especially members of the Congressional Black Caucus. Many decent, hardworking blacks who have done exemplary public work for a generation are portrayed as villains. End of Quotation.
Mr. Obama, obviously wanted to bring up the race card again. I suppose that is the only thing he has to say in an attempt to jack up his campaign.
Well, the Voters are not going to buy it, not here in Florida, nor anywhere nationwide”. End of Article.
Repeating from 2nd paragraph above: Our theme is, our vote on November 4th is what’s best for all America, and race is not an issue. We all are equal in this country. It says so in the Constitution, and all 350 million Americans are doing our best to make that happen. The people on this site are going to work very hard to elect the team of Senator John McCain and Governor Sarah Palin.
Thank you for your attention.
Common Sense 12 or Common Sense Bruce
A lot of discussion in regards to McCain’s vp pick, is it insulting to women? Will we follow because she’s a women etc…. Some on here, a lot on TV. Regardless of anyone’s opinion, including my own. I will say one thing, McCain at least recognizes the STRENGTH of the female voting block. And Hillary supporters. Unlike the Dems who felt we could and even should be surppressed. The Dems did not see us as a worthy issue. I give kudos to McCain for his choice. Knowing he would get huge backlash for panding.
As for the Palin vs Hillary issue. Palin is like the opening band at a concert. She is not the headliner! Nor would she have the job had the headliner not given her the oppertunity to begin with.
#680 EWard on 08.30.08 at 5:00 am
Thank you. I have been vindicated.
Still my question remains: What is PUMA going to do about this kind of misogyny? You stood up for Hillary Clinton against the DNC, you’ve objected adn protested the DNC. Is the media off limits or is PUMA also a watchdog in addition to being an advocate?
It’s not just JOn Stewart, his writers and the Indecision 2008 producers put the words into his mouth, but he has the final say before he spews such utter nonsense. Degrading women is no longer acceptable.
Why I am upset over Palin-is because she just handed BO the election!!!!!
Why didn’t he pick Christy Todd whitman-or kay Bailey Hutchinson–he has undermined his own attack on BO with this pick…the bots are thrilled–they are so excitied–they believe that there is no way she can be introduced effectiviely to the country in 60 days–and because of Mccains age-chances are-she could very well be the president!!!which is laughable.this was an appointment–she didn’t win anything. Saw Palin interviewed on CNBC-with Maria Bartalonasp–not only did she sound like a Neo-con-awful stance on the environment-I am too a NRDC memeber-she said that she hasn’t really followed the war in Iraq! and she went back to work 3 days after her baby was born on April–I am all for women working–but 3 days-yikes.
We need to do our reseacrch–I get the No Bama mission–but wow-this is going to be tough.
#706 Mick – Well, Tropical Storm Fan blew through Florida right before the DNC and was finishing her destruction on the first day of the convention. During that storm, 11 people died, yet I don’t recall Howard Dean making any mention of the storm or those suffering under heavy flooding or the people killed.
Kempion,
Please see my apology to you @ #824 BrooklynNY on 08.30.08 at 10:48 am.
I am very sorry. You were right. I was wrong.
It was a long day with a lot of chaos; I should have just logged off and gone to bed.
Again, I am very sorry. Please accept my apology.
Brooklyn.
BrooklynNY
there’s a new thread upstairs,
thanks for noting me too, I apologized to Kempion too last night,
yesterday was a hectic day and we got caught in the hustle.
Thanks!
Just my opinion, but I have Mozilla Firefox and never have any problems. I have only been asked to log in once. I had to change from Netscape and have had no problems after
down loading the free Mozilla.
#835 c4hill
Your rough it will be tough but doable/These are pimas here. Yesterday everyone was so up and giddy we got a woman put into a promenant place and all you did was put down all day to take th eenergy and ox. out of th eplace .I had to leave.We are Dems. and McCain has a place on his site for dems for McCain so we can remain Dems. He knows it is a protest vote and is ok with it,
He treated Hillary with respect all through campaign not just to get our vote.You are sure entitled to vote your heart and mind and we love ya for it.
Just please stop trying to make us voting McCain sound and feel like traitores. We arent. Glad to see your input and look for more. I respect your digging for info. Only way to go. I like the woman but will be back in 12 to vote our Hillary in. I didnt leave party in case I need to vote for anything party wise.I want to try to get these lawbreaking leaders out. Obama,Dean<Brazile and starting with Pelosi and Kerry. I will vote all that stayed with Hillary and help those opposed to ones that didnt. Thanks for hearing me out .We need an upbeat time here .It has been rough.Thanks again
sorry typos
Why can’t we go after these imbeciles for creating a hate atmosphere, or hate crimes or hateful inciting riots or for utter disrespect for MORE than 1/2 the population??
Why don’t we strike!! No shopping, no TV no newspapers, no NOTHING till they cease and desist!!
MSMBC is in a feeding frenzy over there….I am going to cancel com cast too!!
Maybe we should all stay away from all media and the crap they peddle till this is OVER!
Check out the pro-PUMA comments on the feminist law professors blog:
http://feministlawprofs.law.sc.edu/?p=3987
good palin interview on drilling in anwar
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=836304396&play=1
WRITE THE BELTWAY BOYS ON FOX
Mort Kondracke IS SAYING HILLARY WOMEN WILL NOT FOR SINCE PALIN IS ON THE TICKET BECAUSE SHE IS PROLIFE!!!
LET HIM KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT SCARED OF THIS AND WE WILL SUPPORT THE McCAIN/PALIN TICKET FOR THOSE THAT ARE VOTING FOR McCAIN!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/cgi-bin/email.cgi?829565019
Hi Pumas!
Just got home, I am excited because now I know obama will be defeated! Mccain did a great job of robbing him of his speech glory ect, the dems theme song shold be whose sorry now!
The dems sent out a video of obamas speech, I did not look at it , changed the subject line to no way no how obama, then incase they open it I put we welcome John and Sara.
Murphy,
Your post and your recent interviews are amazing. I believe that you have tapped into a deep well of emotions in many women. Perhaps it is less about politics and more about banding together and the bonding of hearts.
I found myself coming to the realization this election that I no longer support certain parts of the Democratic Party’s Platform….and I am also realizing that they have not even attempted when they had majorities in Congress to champion the causes they say they believe in that I still hold dear.
At any rate, I consider myself an Independent now.
Thanks Murphy for your courage and your inspiration. There is power in these PUMA’s regardless of if they are Blue or Red or even purple….I believe it is not anger that the media thinks it is…I believe it is defiance…and in this case defiance is a very good thing.
GO PUMAS
NOBAMA -NOBIDEN -NOVEMBER
EVER EVER EVER
HES A RACIST ,NATIONAL SECURITY RISK , BAD JUDGEMENT ==REZCKO WRIGHT,AYERS,ODINGA AND MANY MANY MORE
VOTER FRAUD AND WE WILL NOT REWARD SUCH A THUG AND SUPPORTERS WHO ARE HATEFUL ,NASTY
AND A WIFE THAT REALY HATE THE WHITE RACE AND AMERICA ITS SOOOO MEAN OF A COUNTRY
DNC ,PELOUSY ,COWARD DEAN, BRAZALLIA
NOWAY ,NO HOW , NOVMEMBER
WE WILL REMEMBER !!!!!!!!!!
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK PUMAS!!!!!!!!!!
THANKYOU MURPHY FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK!!!!!
FROM A PROUD PUMA
TLCPUMA
I FORGOT TO SAY THE REASON OBAMA PICKED BIDEN WAS HIS SON WAS IN ON THE ARREST OF LARRY SINCLAIR ,SO HE KNEW TO MUCH AND HAD TO REWARD HIM !!!!!!! HE KNEW BIDEN WOULD COVER UP ANYTHING HE DID IF BY CHANCE HE GOT IN THE WHITE HOUSE !!!
PARTNERS IN CRIME ,SO SHOWS US HE CAN BE BOUGHT TOO !!!!
NOWAY WILL MY FAMILY AFTER ALL OUR LIFE VOTING DEM. WE JUST CANT VOTE FOR THIS THUG EVER !!!!!!!
THE OBOTS CAN CALL US ANYTHING THEY WANT I DONT CARE THEY WONT CHANGE OUR MINDS !!!!!
NOBAMA -NOBIDEN-NOVMEMER !!!!!!!!
JUST BECAME A NEW MEMBER AND READY TO WORK ON GETTING MC CAIN/PALIN ELECTED.
Murphy…I cant thank you enough for being such a fearless steward of Democracy. I will stand by Pumapac and her members. Until we oust the corruption.
I don’t know whose kids are in the background, but I hope PUMAs will keep their own kids out of the public eye. Some Obamabot hater who can’t get at a PUMA might be cowardly enough to opt for their children.
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