PUMA PAC IS PROTESTING THE ELECTION. WE WILL NOT SUPPORT THE SELECTED DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE. THERE IS NO WAY THE DEMOCRATS CAN WIN IN NOVEMBER WITHOUT US, AND WE ARE NOT GOING WITH THEM.
I said on June 3rd that Puma PAC was here to stay and I meant it. It is still true today. Between now and November our work may be quieter, but it is even more important than ever that we stay organized and active.
The rough outline of our plan describes a campaign, just like any other campaign, to reach out to Democrats in important states and encourage them to JOIN OUR PROTEST. We will highlight the reasons Obama did not earn the nomination and the reasons why good democrats should consider withholding their votes from him. IMPORTANT: We are NOT Republicans. We do not support the Republican agenda in any way. Of course, this is a very big and complex country. There are MANY, MANY good republicans out there — we are not a Republican hate site. Of the millions of Puma PAC members who decide to pull the lever for John McCain on November 4th, some most certainly will be happy to do it. But, I believe, for most of us — if we take that drastic step and actually cross over to the R side for the President, it will be with a heavy heart and even some misgivings.
A PUMA PAC VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN IS A PROTEST VOTE AGAINST THE DNC AND THE CROOKED PROCESS
Taking that a bit further, I understand that in comments for the next week or so, many us will want to struggle out loud with the question of whether or not to vote for McCain. Others among us are DEAD-SET against EVER voting Republican. Still others will want to promote third party candidates. For the first few days I will allow a certain amount of debate about the candidates now in the race. However I draw the line at outright campaigning for any candidate, as well as any outright attacks of any candidates. Puma PAC’s official stance is that we are PROTESTING THE ELECTION. Any vote that is not for Barack Obama, including a non-vote, is a valid and powerful contribution to our PROTEST.
This really is a new day. It is the first day of our new — and biggest battle — to reclaim the Democratic Party for the working and middle class.
Oh, and what Riverdaughter, Queen of the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pantsuits, said.
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I’m getting faster!
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Okay Buckeye – I went back downstairs to tell everyone and you beat me!!
not bad for a newbie! Lol
Any word on The Berg lawsuit?
GO PUMA GO
I am here 100%
This is the first time I have been involved in national politics. This blog makes it possible for me to be involved. Everything that PUMA represents is the inner self of me. I could not imagine being ONE so deeply. It brings tears to my eyes to be a member of PUMA. I am so proud of everyone here at PUMA.
God Bless
Go Hillary Go
ANYONE who support NObama is an ENABLER of ABUSE, HATES DEMOCRACY!
There are TROLLS in this site! If you think using subtlety doesn’t expose you, you’re WRONG!
A pollster called me last night. I told them I was a democrat who would be voting down ticket republican. The silence was deafening.
as of yesterday the Berg lawsuit was waiting for the parties to be served. Nothing can be done until then.
I believe it is going to ba a difficult fight to win. I really would almost prefer if the Republicans with all their money was carrying the case. Berg is trying to do it on his own. I do not think he has the finances to do the complete job.
For example it would obviously help to have someone run to Kenya immediately and get depositions or bring people back to testify. I doubt he has that kind of money. The big Republican party would have millions.
Go Hillary Go
7 Asian4Hillary
[[ANYONE who support NObama is an ENABLER of ABUSE, HATES DEMOCRACY!
There are TROLLS in this site! If you think using subtlety doesn’t expose you, you’re WRONG]]
DITTO :LOL:
Great post Murphy, I am with you all of the way.
Asians for Hillary
This is just a way to get the focus off our work. Do not engage them or even think about them. We surround ourselves in the blanket of truth.
I live in California and I was called by a campaign of a woman running for office here. I told her there was no way I would vote on the Democratic ticket for anyone in this state as they did not take my voice to Denver. She was shocked and almost begged me to change my mind. I said NO, good night and Thank You….click!!!
“For the first time in my adult life” I will vote for a republican presidential candidate!
Rasmussen Poll:
Has convention helped unite the democratic party
Yes 52%
No 30%
Obama 45%
McCain 44%
hey does anyone know Greta @ foxnews email address?
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/27/feeling-a-little-ill/#more-4427
No Quarter has good post and video to help with those who feel ill this morning!
I did find a site that posted the roll call counts but stopped at NY, did not include Ca or IL or NM since they passed.
Did the lady announcing the results say they would publish all the counts even though they stopped announcing the results?
I would like to see how many delegate hillary really got.
what is posted is 1963 were announced and BHO got 1549.5 and hillary got 341.5 and 72 did not vote. I don’t know how you get 1/2 vote! Why 72 did not vote.
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/D.phtml#roll
Look out!
I think it’s starting to sink in:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/denverpost/10319911
What are the poll numbers like at Rassmussen and Gallup? Is Obama getting a bounce?
If one adds these votes together (on the theory that Senator Clinton’s motion also intended that all the votes for her so far be also counted for Obama) along with all of New York’s 282 votes, one gets 2,173 votes total cast, short of the 2,210 needed to nominate– thus this motion seems purposely to have been made to nominate Obama by acclamation BEFORE the nomination could have been won, numerically, on the Roll Call itself.
Who are these people that think the Convention helped unite Dems? If anything, the convention only made them more angry.
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I like that
“For the first time in my adult life” I will vote for a republican presidential candidate!
ike that
I addressed in this post the question of how much campaigning for or against any candidate is appropriate on our forums. The short answer is: NOT MUCH.
There are 2 major candidates in the race now and we support neither of them.
PUMA PAC IS PROTESTING THE ELECTION. WE ARE NOT VOTING FOR OUR PARTY’S CANDIDATE. SOME OF US WILL STAY HOME, SOME WILL VOTE THIRD PARTY, SOME WILL WRITE-IN HILLARY, AND SOME WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN.
These forums are not the place to bash or promote any candidate. However, the next few days we will be struggling with our consciences and our opinions — that is necessary and good.
However, we must be gentle and good to each other in the process.
Our plans are good — our goals are good — and our purpose is good.
We are the good guys — dont forget it.
What I like to say is “for the first time in my adult life I will vote for a republican, and I’m REALLY proud of that!”
“For the first time in my adult life” I will vote for a republican presidential candidate!
Let’s all repeat this!!!!!!
Type it in, I know it’s hard, but once you do it, you may feel better.
#12 hillary2008 on 08.28.08 at 10:54 am
I do not engage them, they’re a waste of my time and airspace, I brush them off and flip them off too….:lol:
The ONC owes a lot to its party PEOPLE (18 million+) by fool themselves on UNITY play yesterday. Arranged not elected will open the door for defeat.
#19 vadaryl – thank you for that link and the one you posted in the previous thread. I was so frustrated at PBS for not letting us see the votes. going to noquarter . . . thanks for the link zephyr! (at #18)
#569 SUSIE1945 – on previous blog – I am behind you completely – will check out local people to see what they are saying – my feeling is that we all have choices
l. We can be defeated in our original purpose of changing the Democratic (if that is what you call it these days) process.
2. Frustrated and talk a lot and do nothing.
3. Be mad as hell and make a difference – there is nothing wrong with running with mad – many people get through disasters with that frame of mind and once their goal is met – it makes it all the sweeter.
I have a feeling that it is going to be virtually impossible now to get your action going as a group – too many comments overshadowing what you suggest, too many opinions, and little action -
Know that I will do as you suggest. And I never take what action I personally do as non productive
http://messageboards.aol.com/aol/en_us/articles.php?boardId=560797&articleId=734783&func=6&channel=News+AOL+Managed&filterRead=false&filterHidden=true&filterUnhidden=false
has some recent info on the berg suit and it does not look good.
We ARE the good guys
I completely agree with Murphy – we are not Republicans. But I would point out that the polls where Third Party candidates are included show Obama with a greater lead. I’m gonna hold my nose and vote for McCain – yuck.
Two places that need to be voted at
Go here and vote it’s the quick vote, it’s located in the middle of page,on right side.
http://www.cnn.com/
and here bottom of page question of the day
http://elections.foxnews.com/
When I saw how Arkansas threw all there delegates to Nobama, I was appalled. Why did we even vote at all? This is why I will try to do everything to make the DNC answer for what they have done. They turned the election into a circus. I am shocked by what they have done and will do whatever it takes to get this process fixed.
I will vote for McCain in protest.
#21 andy85719 on 08.28.08 at 11:01 am What are the poll numbers like at Rassmussen and Gallup? Is Obama getting a bounce?
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Rasmussen said on FOX that a fairly significant bounce for BO is building and should be evident by the wkend.
Yeah, but what are the poll number now? I don’t care what the talking heads are saying.
#25 murphy on 08.28.08 at 11:05 am
Thanks Murphy. As a Republican voter in LA, is there anything that I can do on my end to help with the PUMA cause? You or anyone with PUMApac can email me at
cmoutcasts@hotmail.com
#17 Noblecascade – I will try to find greta’s email for you. I used to have it.
GoHillaryGo — sooo glad you found us — welcome!
The next few days will be rocky — hang tight and remember we are in this for the long haul.
We are the good guys, and we try not to sweat the small stuff.
PLEASE READ AND THINK – REPOSTED FROM DOWNSTAIRS
There is a lot of emotion going on here. I think that is to be expected. But I am going to put in my 2 cents worth and hope that some of you listen and I truly hope, listen hard and think. There should not be bashing of someone because of them expressing reservations about voting for Sen. McCain, etc. I think we should realize that there are republicans who have helped to make sure that Nobama was the DNC candidate as well as Nobama’s people and the MSM, etc.
But to attack someone on this site because they express doubts about voting for McCain or CLEARLY STATE THEY CANNOT VOTE FOR MCCAIN… THAT’S WRONG and against our own rules!!! If you read the article, you can see that Murphy is not sure what she’s going to do with her vote. I am not sure what I am going to do with mine.. other than I will not vote Nobama. c4hill clearly states she is not going to vote for Nobama. She should NEVER be accused of being a troll because of that. And who gave anyone commenting here the authority to invite another member of PUMA PAC to go somewhere else????
WTF is going on here???? Are some of you members now going to resort to some of the tactics of the DNC and suppress peoples’ voices because they don’t agree with your plan????
PLEASE THINK BEFORE YOU ATTACK… ATTACK THOSE WHO CONTRIBUTED TO THE FRAUD ON THE VOTERS, NOT MEMBERS OF PUMA PAC
I think there are SEVERAL COMMENTS that if you have a problem or concern you are to contact MURPHY OR MARYLAND PUMA OR MAMAPUMA.. DO NOT ATTACK ON THE BLOG
PLEASE DO NOT DRIVE PEOPLE AWAY!!!!
YES….Thank you Murphy for defining this for me….when I campaign (and I WILL CAMPAIGN LIKE A TIGER FOR McCAIN IN TEXAS and BEYOND) EVERY VOTE I GET is for Hillary.
SInce I am sobbing when I type this anyone who dares to question my allegiance to Hillary or my ANGER and HEARTACHE at having to do this should stop NOW.
THANK YOU MURPHY for giving us a place to organize and defeat the anti-American, anti-Democratic, and anti-women behavior of the ONC. Thank you PUMA for being the group that will bring VICTORY to Hillary in 2012.
I will STILL HOST the victory party this year….When McCain wins and BO loses I am going to say HILLARY WON….and with tears streaming down my face I will wait 4 more years for her to enter HER white house and sit in HER oval office and be MY PRESIDENT!
We have a LOT of work to do PUMA, because they are registering and LYING to people. For example, in TX their favorite thing to tell Hispanics is that Hillary wanted to kick them out of America. They are promising MONEY to black people, and they are painting BO as some sort of rock star to youth brought up on MTV and McDonalds.
Perhaps after a short rest, the PUMA powers can get us started on some PROWLS….Just remember that every vote for McCAIN seals BO fate and insures a HILLARY VICTORY this year and in 2012!!
HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT!!!
Rasmussen poll is BO 45%, McCain 44%. But, Rasmussen was the one talking and saying about the bounce building, it was not a talking head.
It is normal for a bounce, and BO should have had one the beginning of the wk.
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-64489
was yesterday and has links to the suit.
I hope there is some kind of break in this case. Hopefully things will go quickly. if the Republicans have infomation hopefully they will join the Berg suit and work together.
It was reported that the Republicans have documentation that he was born in Kenya. That would be critical if true.
I read over the entire suit itself. It is interesting reading.
http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/001_ObamaComplaint.pdf
If anyone wants a summary of why not to vote for Obama they might bookmark the below site as it gets updated as new items come out. Alrhough I would prefer a more calm listing of the reasons.
http://www.dontvoteobama.net/
thanks Dragonfly…have looked all over Greta’s website but can’t find it.
thanks pamawo — I think that after feelings have cooled down a bit, the wisdom of our PROTEST THE ELECTION strategy will become more clear.
WE ARE DEMOCRATS WHO ARE PROTESTING THE 2008 ELECTION
The DONC will do everything it can to try to dismiss us as Republicans — they will do this to marginalize us and make us irrelevant. It is REALLY important that we prevent this inaccuracy from taking hold in the public’s mind.
Haven’t forgotten, Noblecascade, but here is something else for everyone to check out from Ricki L:
“According to Rebecca Gwatney, widow of recently slain Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman Bill Gwatney, the last line of the state’s roll call speech was cut off by Alice Germond , the DNC Secretary. Instead of casting all 47 votes for Barack Obama, they cast 37, with 8 votes for Hillary Clinton. (Two of the state’s 47 delegates were absent.) When the chair announced all 47 votes for Obama, many delegates from other states rose to cheer the state for their unanimous statement, which now appears to have been a clerical mistake.
“It’s no big deal,” one Arkansas delegate told the Huffington Post.
Still, how did Arkansas go from 70% vote for Hillary in the primary to 37-8 votes on the Convention floor?”
I hear you loud and clear Murphy . . .
What a difficult night it was for me as well. After the roll call fiasco, I went out for a walk, and just kept going for an hour . . . walked home in the dark. I only slept fitfully, so many thoughts swimming through my mind.
The biggest blow for me was my state of NH giving away ALL thirty of our votes to Obama. What a betrayal! I have worked SO hard for so many years to turn my very red state to a beautiful shade of BLUE. I’ve supported Governor Lynch and most of the other group of back-stabbers smiling into the camera yesterday as they gave my vote away. Hillary won our state, and they simply gave away all of her votes. They couldn’t even hold back even ONE for Hillary. I’m usually SO angry that I can start right in on the zingy letter-writing. I’m so dejected that I can’t even imagine what to say to the group of traitors that I have worked so hard to support.
I’m just lost . . . I’m a disenfranchised Democrat, but I’m sure as heck not a Republican and can’t imagine ever giving them a vote, even in protest.
When I have the strength, I need to start writing to Lynch, Porter, etc., . . . not that it will do any good.
That’s the problem about feeling depressed . . . feeling that nothing I do will ever make a difference. I know the feeling will pass . . . . I’m much too ornery for it to last very long.
Thank you all for letting me wallow a bit in self pity today . . . . . . . .
Nancy Pelosi looked so dressed up, made up, or put up with the smile. How can she sleep sound at night?
Hillary looked heavy minded – she must feel awful for her supporters they have done and donated so much for her Presidential bet. Clintons are expert Politicians they have to keep the loyalty to the party.
MO was thinking how good to select Biden, so after 8 year, it would be her turn, who cares about who is get kissed on the lips.
BO/MO got their plans/dreams, who care about Americans’ dreams.
#43 jenniforhillary
I will STILL HOST the victory party this year….When McCain wins and BO loses I am going to say HILLARY WON….and with tears streaming down my face I will wait 4 more years for her to enter HER white house and sit in HER oval office and be MY PRESIDENT!
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Thanks Jennifer now you have tears running down my face. I needed that.
Go Hillary Go
Thank you Murphy for all that you are doing and have done for us. Even though I don’t post very often, I have completed most of the prowls and donated when I could. I am so very thankful to have a place to go that is safe. I no longer watch news on TV. I was so glad my husband was out of town this week and I could just come here and find out what was going on.
I think our decisions on who to vote for will be personal, but we will also have to consider what states we are in so that we make our best choice.
I woke up this morning thinking everyone on the site was my friend, it was a good feeling after how the week has been feeling, so thank you again.
NOBLECASCADE for GRETA’S ADDRESS
On the Record with Greta: Ontherecord@foxnews.com
Anyone mention this? Bill Richardson was scheduled to speak after Bill last night. He was apparently scrubbed. Does anyone have any inside info on this. On a very bleak day, this news made me smile. I think the bus may have run right over him.
jennoforhillary — you are a passionate and intelligent and true democrat.
Never doubt yourself.
I’ve been thinking of you all pretty much non-stop since I left Boston last thursday.
We HAD to be in DENVER. Puma PAC rocked the convention — we got our message out LOUD AND CLEAR — and we watched Hill’s historic speech together.
But it is SOOOO good to be back to the Puma PAC den.
p.s. I hate being on TV — any good-looking media savvy members out there who would make a better tv spokesperson than me?
I get emails like this all the time, often from men — pumas who dont blog very often. This is from a man in Illinois:
“Murphy,
thanks to you and others for the bringing attention to the way the DNC has handled
this primary.
Hillary Clinton was the best candidate for president. She has the knowledge and the
experience to lead this country. Obama does not.
I am another Democrat who will be voting for McCain in November.
keep up the good work.”
As I see it Hillary is already my president.
Hi PUMAS! What a glorious day to know that we have a strong leaders in Murphy and the other Puma groups. From the bottom of my pea-pickin heart, thank you.
Now, here is an email I just received from NANCY H. ROGERS Attorney General of Ohio from my email the other night. Better late than never right? Wrong!
RE: Ballot Access
Dear Ms. *****,
Thank you for contacting the Attorney General’s Office regarding ballot access for the Democratic Party in Ohio.
To have your concern appropriately addressed, I recommend that you contact the Secretary of State’s office, which has jurisdiction to address such issues. You may reach that office by phoning 1-877-767-6446 or by visiting the site at . At the lower left-hand corner there is a link to email their office.
Please note that the Attorney General’s office serves as legal counsel to state agencies, boards, commissions and the General Assembly. Therefore, the Attorney General – by law – cannot provide legal advice, interpretation of law or intervention on behalf of private citizens.
Again, thank you for your inquiry. I hope you find this information helpful.
Sincerely,
NANCY H. ROGERS
Attorney General of Ohio
Simone Morgen
Constituent Liaison
AG4OHIO Help Center
#49 SANDTRAP
I hear you. I am a Florida resident now, but during the primary was in Alabama and voted HRC in a town that is heavily O-puppet. I want Wexler and Wasserman voted out I am so mad at them. Alabama I expected to go O-puppet, but not Florida. Back room deals, once again. Wexler has always been very ambitious. I am sure he is hoping for a brighter spotlight and a keynote speech one of these days.
I think it is absolutely imperative that we begin to formulate goals that we can accomplish today!!! We cannot allow ourselves to simply talk and do nothing.
My goals are simple: I want to work hard to reform the electorial process so that voter fraud is harder to accomplish.
I want to vote out those who have assisted in making voter fraud possible.
I want to campaign and campaign hard against the DNC officials who have assisted in foisting this “selected” nominee on our party.
I want to make some inroads on the corruption that exists in both political parties. Someone else said it and said it well on the previous thread…
Radicals from both the right and the left have taken over both parties. It is time for the more moderates of both parties to come together on issues that define this country and work hard to support WE THE PEOPLE.
I vow to begin today, right after I finish this comment to check into if it is really true that both the Dems and the Repubs did not meet the filing deadlines in Texas to have their names on the ballot for President. I am going to check again to see if we can bring out the voter fraud in Texas and try to get Nobama off the ballot!!!
I think each and every one of us should work hard to do whatever we can to make sure this crooked scheme does not succeed.
NOBAMA, NO WAY, NO HOW, REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER.
17 Noblecascade
re: Greta’s email address, I looked for it once, couldn’t find it.
I always post on her blog, my posts always make it, and from hearing her comments it seems she reads the posts.
It’s at http://gretawire.foxnews.com
What aobut working toward making sure that the members of the DNC that are up for re-election are not elected to another term? I think we should work on getting other people elected that will listen to the voice of the people and not the mouth peice of Howard Dean. This might be a good chance for the PUMA Pac to bring about change in the DNC by getting fresh blood that is not going to just roll over and do whatever they are told.
#38 andy85719 gallop tracking poll has them 45 for BO and 44 for McCain so BO’s big bounce so far is 1 point.
#48 Dragonfly on 08.28.08 at 11:22 am
Still, how did Arkansas go from 70% vote for Hillary in the primary to 37-8 votes on the Convention floor?”
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That is how Communist run elections.
When the roll call was going on – I wrote down the states and the votes for Hillary – at the same time – comparing what was still left in her column prior to the roll call – you can see which State delegates abandoned her the most -
NOTE to the blogger above – that was disappointed in Arkansas for having the entire delegation go for him instead of her – someone else up above stated that 7 or 8 can’t remember what they said and am too lazy to go look for it – actually went for Hillary and Mrs Gwatney was cut off before she could report it – so was an error on Germonds part for not asking again -
Ala – lost 20 delegates
Alaska – did not lose any – I guess Patty that sent a response to one of our pumas – did go with us.
American Samoa – both of her two delegates left her
Arizona – lost 4 of her delegates
Arkansas – A BIG BUST – all of her delegates abandoned her – big disappointed from Ms Gwatney
California and Illinois and New Mexico – passed
Colorado – lost 4 delegates
Connecticut – only lost one delegate
Deleware – lost all her delegates
Democrats Abroad – lost none
DC – lost none
Florida – only lost 1 delegate – he always had the lead even with 1/2 vote
Georgia – lost 9 delegates
Guam – lost none
Hawaii – Lost 5 delegates
Idaho – lost none – albeit – was only 3 anyway
Indiana – big loss of 32 delegates
Iowa – lost 5 delegates
Kansas – lost 3 delegates
Kentucky – lost 13 delegates
Louisiana – lost 15 delegates
Maine – lost 1 delegate
Maryland – a big 22 delegate loss
Massachusetts – lost 3 delegates
Mississippi – lost 5 delegates
Montana – no lost delegates
Michigan – 7 delegate loss
Missouri – BIG 30 Delegate loss – a state where they were virtually tied – only 6 delegates went with her
New Hampshire – LOST all her delegates
New Jersey – LOST all of her 59 delegatess
Minnesotta – lost 16 of her delegatess
Nebraska – lost 5 of her delegates
Nevada – lost 3 of her delegates
This was based on the last demconwatch switcheraroos toward the end that was reported -
#15 bruce55555 – ditto
53 dragonfly
Thanks! for Greta’s email address!
*** MURPHY ***
You have mail.
(It’s okay. It’s not bad news.
LOL)
does anyone know if their are signs that say Clinton voter for McCain. I will put a yard sign up but only if it lets people know that I am a hillary voter.
#54 Doria – hahaha
Hey, Murphy! So glad to see you back on the blog.
I think all of your appearances have been excellent. If you want someone who might be a good back up, hillstheone has 20 years media experience. Just a thought.
Personally, I am impressed. I am way too librarian for it. I don’t have a BatGirl costume.
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows hints of a modest convention bounce building for Barack Obama. The Democrat gained a point from yesterday and now attracts 45% of the vote nationwide while John McCain earns 44%. When “leaners” are included, it’s Obama 47% and McCain 47%
There’s the BOUNCE
lisa, Rodham in Flag, ladyhawkke, bobram, probably some other people….
I just sent murphy an email about the AG project we were talking about last night
#22 vadaryl on 08.28.08 at 11:01 am
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I believe that is precisely what happened. He’s still not the nominee at least according to the people, the whole thing was a fraud plain and simple. Selected NOT elected.
Okay…Princessejen has made me break down again…
I like that slogan…Hillary is Already my president!!
Murphy, maybe we could incorporate this into our agenda.
Oh, and for the record, the roll call vote should be held up for children in the future as the single greatest act of ANTI AMERICAN BEHAVIOR in the HISTORY of America. What those alleged Americans did to us is UNSPEAKABLE and I had to listen to it on the radio but I can honestly say that I became physically ill. The ONC should be held CRIMINALLY and CIVILLY LIABLE for that…..
hey guys, don’t blog much here, hooked on camille’s blog bitterpoliticz and also hill villagers, so anyhoo, just wanted to reassure you that i am a PUMA for life. i am behind you all the way because i am one of you…
and we definitely needed a puma real unity post…
i love you guys, just so you know my protest vote was cemented for mccain yesterday after that sham and farce of a roll call vote. all those states dissing hillary that she won… that was just plain unjustified. he can’t even win by himself without padding the numbers and that is just not right in my book… he is a complete jerk and let him go down in flames in november…
the straw poll on aol was hillarious this morning cause the map was all red accept for one state, check it out and vote…
gotta run, gotta check back in on camille’s blucon, the undemocratic convention or the alternative democratic convention that she is having… loveme some pumas today and tomorrow until forever!!! thanks for being here for me
From Diva 2 on previous thread…think it is worth repeating part of her post:
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My thoughts are this:
1. The ones who hold the true power of the voting were the PLEDGED delegates.
2. We DON’T know if HIllary really lost because we don’t know the actual number of votes that occurred legitimately.
3. WE need to send out every piece of information available on the voter fraud to every delegate, every superdelegate, every newspaper in the U.S. and foreign press, every Attorney General and Secretary of State in each state and to Condoleeza Rice including the 10 minute teaser on the Audacity of Democracy, ALL the info that Lynette Long has published and whatever else we can get our hands on and put it EVERYWHERE on the blog. These people need to SEE the fraud in action and then be asked where was the fairness in this election and asked “Is THIS what you call democracy?? Make them feel guilty and as ignorant as hell as they CHOSE to be blinded to the truth and did not do their reasearch.
2. Get any and all documented piece of info. on what REALLY happened in Chicago when nobo was a “community organizer” and send it out to all of those same people.
3. Send out a copy of the lawsuit filed against the DNC and Obama re: his citizenship requirements for POTUS.
4. Make all of the delegates responsible for not researching both candidates and taking everything at face value.
5. Maybe put together a single report and include all the stuff so they each have a hard/and/or emailed copy of the FACTS with notations and info. on where the info. came from. I blame the delegates for their laziness.
6. If ANYONE has letters, recordings or anything similar which show the coercion and pressure put on the delegates to vote for Obama, that should be included in the correspondence/packet.
7. Finally, if we can get copies of the state Attorney General’s letters to those delegates in the states which REQUIRE a first vote for their pledged delegate, that should be included, showing what penalties they could face.
I am exhausted and angry and honestly VERY worn out and I can’t do the things, physically, that I suggested above. But if several people, could be responsible for different sections then we could put the whole thing together and get it out in every form possible.
This doesn’t cost us money just help from some very organized and talented people here.
The lack of knowledge and ignorance here is beyond comprehension and THAT is what makes me so angry!
We also include copies of everything to every Republican we can find.
So, these are my thoughts after talking to many people the past few days.”
58BYthelake – no it is not too late – that was the first part of our action plan – the 2nd part was blocking him from getting his name on the Ohio ballot there – and I don’t have the letter to give you on how to do that – waiting on it myself from MCR, Lisa, JodyinFlordia – someone said that they would give us advice – I think that several have sent an email to Murphy requesting this as a prowl – I am going to do it on my own as a private citizen – I too got the same thing from Arizona – we have 24 hours to do it after today from my humble and not knowledgeable impression. I would just be happy to be able to post without having to do it over and over a hundred times -
Wish John McCain would select a smart lady as VP!!
Bill Clinton gave good sppech, but can he speaks for BO? Can BO do what Bill did? Not a sign so far.
#64 GoHillaryGo – preaching to the choir. That’s why I’m scared enough to get involved after being an armchair pundit all my life. Sometimes I feel I can’t breathe it is so creepy what has happened to our legacy of freedom.
#65 Rodham in Flag – THANK YOU for that analysis. I was confused big time until I read your post. Sounds as if McCaskill had some influence on the Missouri loss. How significant is it, do you think, that the roll call was cut off before O-puppet got it by the numbers?
#69 mkp651
I found this for you
http://www.zazzle.com/mccain_democrat_shirt-235672172962848149
Okay, here is an idea. I may be way off base, but I believe that Nancy Pelosi is behind this. No, I mean, REALLY behind this, for her own selfish reasons.
One asks the question: Why?
I believe that she handpicked Obama and also pressured Obama to pick Biden as his VP because she knows that Obama may end up like John and Bobby Kennedy (dead). And Biden, with his two aneurysms (and being nearly as old as McCain), probably doesn’t have long to live either.
That would make Nancy Pelosi next in line for President.
If Hillary had won the nomination – and Hillary surely would have won the GE over McCain in the fall—that would mean that Pelosi would no longer be the head hen in the hen house (excuse me, the White House).
So here is my suggestion, to those of us who will unfortunately hold our noses and vote for McCain in the fall, why not light candles and pray hard that McCain picks a WOMAN for his VP?
The way, I see it, the joke would be on Pelosi.
And, meantime, we have four years to work like hell on getting the DNC to clean up its act. Seriously, all of us have to stick together and fix this DNC mess. Hillary will still be working hard for us in the Senate, and she will be ready (and so will we) for 2012.
#80 Mick Thank-You! I off to shop!
Has the Convention helped Unify the Democratic Party?
Yes
52%
No
30%
Not Sure
18%
Translate not GOOD for the DNC. Thats 52 % 48 a difference of about 4,000,000 votes
#69 mkp651
Also, I found this bumper sticker
http://shop.democratsformccain.com/main.sc
26% Hillary voters voting McCain translate into 4,800,000 votes enough to decide the election
Thanks again Murphy for your continued efforts to RESCUE our Party. (maybe someone can put up a video with that song rescue me- lol)
Anyways, I am in this to the end…..my protest vote -WILL BE FOR JOHN MCCAIN….THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO BEAT THE DNC AND SHOW THEM THAT THEY DO NOT RUN THIS COUNTRY—-THE PEOPLE DO!
I am going to Cafe Press or Zazzle to request tees or sweat shirts that say:
Nobama
Nobiden
November
When Democracy returns to the Democratic Party, so will we.
Thank you Jody – I think Bobram has moved on due to lack of responses to that important action item – according to a post that I saw in the middle of things yesterday
I really want to work to rescue the democratic party which in turn will safequard our democracy. I have thought so often recently about becoming an independent. However, there is the thought that I can do more as a democrat.
I would be happy to get some opinions (short ones) about this.
Thanks
Since the roll call last night I was overwhelmed with emails asking to join http://www.nobamanetwork.com. This is my answer to them:
We are receiving requests to join us and we ask instead you go to your nearest John McCain campaign headquarters and volunteer!
#60 lotts1948 on 08.28.08 at 11:29 am
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I sense your frustration and agree whole-heartedly. We should be ACTING right now, not just talking about it. Look what happened with jbjd’s initiative, it got nowhere for days before we acted, and too late in my opinion.
In the interim, until this PAC gets in gear and moving, I’ll be supporting the Denver Group in getting their ads in print and on the air, and I’ll be promoting people like Ed O’Reilly to boot John Kerry out of his Mass Senate seat. And I’ll be formulating my own mailings to send out to local Democrats for a list that I’ve crated based on their donations to Hillary in the primaries. They are out there, but we need to start working and reaching out now.
I liked someone’s (sorry cannot remember who) idea from last night on the blog, that we set up various committees to handle the different areas we want to attack – like cleaning out the DNC, voter outreach and education efforts, research, legal, down ticket Dem research, and whatever else we need to work on to take this Party back.
#79Dragonfly – Honestly – I was almost relieved that it happened – obviously from my humble opinion that they had already pressured enough delegates to cast their vote for him that it would have been a complete embarrassment for her and us had California, New York and of course Illinois cast their votes for him, and strangely enough Hillary won a lot of the States at the end of the alphabet – I kept running records on it all during the primaries – what would we have done if Ohio, Penna, and W. Virginia went the other way – we can only hope that they would not have done so – I do think our dear Senator in Missouri had a lot to do with the swaying of votes there – glad my analysis above helped a bit. Still mad as hell and want to do something on my own as a private citizen I can do to prevent this from ever ever happening again.
#89 pamawo – I thought about it as well, but have decided to remain and work within the Democratic party to bring democracy back.
murphey
I think if we had something to do now would be better than sitting thinking. Just my humble opion but even if it was local look for supporters and get them before bos people let them know we are togeather no one is a lone? Just a thought but idle lends to worry thanks . If you have a new mission please tell.lets build our numbers. He isnt idle even today
I’ve been offline for 2 hours now, got a virus. Probably from a bot.
I am writing my onw personal feelings about what went down yesterday at the roll call to Hillary which I choose not to post here.
My son will be visiting for about a week and I am cleaning house and have many things to do before his arrival. I will check my e-mails for any prowls.
Yes we can take our party back.
55 murphy~~~ Thank you for delineating our goals and purpose above. For making it clear about debating about various candidates. Thank you for PUMA, for taking us to Denver. Now the whole world knows PUMA.Thank you for second chances to be a positive contribution.
Most of all, thank you for being you. Please Stop with the talk about finding a better TV spokesperson. You are our leader and you WILL get better at it. As good a orator as BC is, he still had to grow and develop as you are doing.
Yesterday, I joined a J McC blog and told them I was a member of PUMA PAC who would crossover to vote McCain to protest Obama. Later on I was asked if I would drop my PUMA membership to campaign fulltime for MCain. I answered, absolutely NOT. McCain and the Republican part are as big a part of the problems we face today as the Democrats are. We are trying to correct all that. Why don’t you come and join US?
I haven’t received an answer.
But, once again, thank you for all this, all that you’ve done, and when the going gets hard, know that you can lean on us as much as we have leaned on you.
re#89
pamawo
we should be concerned about saving america first before the democratic party..the DNC and the Obama campaign have hi-jacked the democratic party and an Obama presidency is the biggest threat to america now..therefore if we want to rescue america it is clear what we need to do..support john mccain..
..if you have any other suggestions how to keep obama out of the presidency please share that information with us..
Hi all, I posted this downstairs. Hope you don’t mind if I repost it for anyone who didn’t see it.
Goodmorning PUMA friends!!
Please continue to keep the gulf coast people in your prayers. I’m in LA and Gov. Jindal has called for a state of emergency already. Anxiety is high around these parts. I’m NOT looking forward to another Katrina. Tomorrow marks the third anniversary of hurricane Katrina.
So please, please pray for the all of people who are in the path of this storm.
Thanks PUMA.
#91 NObamaDem on 08.28.08 at 11:50 am
Whoops! I knew I left someone off the list–probably not just your name either. Did you see my post #72 above?
The AG project that jbjd suggested DID have an effect–at least 1 AG called their state chair in Denver. And remember, we can still do individual prowls.
OMG ALERT! ALERT! ALERT! Yes, what was posted last night about OHIO voting is TRUE. I just called the Ohio Sec of State (614-466-2585) and the lady verifed that 1.) Ohio’s law has just been changed: you can register and vote in the same day from Sept 30-Oct 6, and 2.) NO PHOTO ID REQUIRED!!! All you have to do is either give them the last 4 digits of your Soc, or just show them a utility bill with your name and address on it. How freaking crazy is that???
OMGosh, LOOK, in college when my friends and I were younger and stupid-er, I’ve watched them go into a library, use the Library’s own typewriter, type a fake name and address on a card, stick the card so it showed through the window of a previously (carefully) opened utility bill envelope, reseal it, and go right up to the desk to get a new library card!!! IT IS EASY AS PIE TO DO. And now with laser printers on everybody’s desk, it’s insanity.
Com’on. Can you say Voter Fruad??!
I asked the nice lady at the Sec of State’s office what will prevent major VOTER FRAUD, and you know what she said? “WELL, I GUESS NOTHING…”
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
help Larry Sinclair STOP Obambi! Donate!
http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com/
Murphy,
What I saw yesterday in Denver reflected my own unforgettable nightmare. I cannot believe Jimmy Carter who advocated fair election, one man one vote in third world countries, sending his self and others like Kerry to monitor election process. Him and Kerry sit quietly while their OWN PARTY committed FRAUD against their own people. Fraudulent election was inflicted by the Democratic Party against their VERY OWN, what made it worse during roll call they’ve FLAUNTED their OWN BRAND CORRUPTION. Talk about BLATANT ABUSE OF POWER, right on your face INSULT to the American people. You may wonder why I use “American people”, last primary there are independents, democrats, republicans, no party affiliation who cast their vote for Hillary. DNC, NObama and party leaders have DEMEANED the American people into the eyes of the world. Those foreign journalists are their for a PURPOSE, they wanted to see IF America is true to their beliefs about Democratic Process as our government have the habit of sending people like Jimmy Carter overseas to monitor elections. In a week or two you’ll read from foreign news what they think of OUR DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. Human rights is not just about right for due process, it is also about OUR RIGHT TO VOTE AND THOSE VOTES BE COUNTED AND REPRESENTED ACCORDINGLY. Corrupt DNC and NOBAMA USURPED WILL OF THE PEOPLE.
I don’t care who may read this, that includes those who support NObama, I address speficically this NObama; In you’re celebration even when YOU KNOW, the voice of your neighbor was muffled, what makes you think you’re safe from the same treatment? What makes you think your vote won’t be the next victim? Who can give you an assurance you won’t be treated the same?
I want ALL of you to think hard, trust me, when the SHEIT hits the fan, you’ll remember EVERYTHING I’ve said here and you’ll have regrets because you didn’t do anything to correct the problem and set it right, instead you become a FENCE SITTER and mock the FEW who stand up and speak out on your behalf because you’re too blind to see it. You better wake up and stand up, speak out together with the FEW. Remember this, if my vote is NOT SAFE NONE IS SAFE, it is just a matter of TIME and you’ll be next.
95 ladyhawkke~~ I, too, along with others also have the virus. It’s literally knocked me down, sore throat, cough, malaise and even lost my voice, but not my ability to communicate. KendalBlue aptly named it the BOVIRUS.
#81 writer4starz on 08.28.08 at 11:41 am
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Please be careful in what you’re stating on this blog. NOBODY should be imagining BO dead, or presenting any sort of conspiracy scenario to that effect. Please refrain from this kind of talk. Thank you.
636 LisaNC from below is trying to unsub from the Dem party – anyone know how?
States that had Binding Laws:
(Known Results of States – where it appears that laws where Delegate votes did not follow the State Law in Bold)
Arizona
New Mexico
Ohio
California
Georgia
Indiana
Kentucky
Massachusetts
New Hampshire
Oklahoma
Oregon
Tennessee
(Perhaps a class-action suit against Delegates who switched their votes would at least get to the truth of how the DNC influenced the outcome and induced Delgates to break their State Laws and commit this fraud against the American Voters of their States?)
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We need to be VERY CAREFUL in moving forward about “ANNOUNCING WHAT WE ARE DOING”. I Hope the person orchestrating the Prowls on State Laws had the right intentions and was not helping the DNC to successfully circumvent the legalities by putting the onus of legalities on the Delegates.
It is never a good idea – and ATTORNEYS are ususally the FIRST to demand this – NEVER BROADCAST TO YOUR OPPOSITION WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
A reminder of what PUMAs are objecting to:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Conventions/story?id=5668622&page=1
DENVER — Police in Denver arrested an ABC News producer today as he and a camera crew were attempting to take pictures on a public sidewalk of Democratic senators and VIP donors leaving a private meeting at the Brown Palace Hotel.
Chicago-style strong-arm politics, conducted in secret meetings with a complete disregard for the WILL OF THE VOTERS.
#84 Mick I went over to that site and bought a t-shirt and travel mug. I like it because it says McCain Democart Hillary 2012
Larry rules, thanks for verifying.
Great, do we all see where this is going? Good grief. I’m astounded everyday how dirty this process of voting has gotten. YES WE CAN win if we cheat a little.
The best thing you can do those supporting a protest vote is to head over to McCain’s site signup for emails, newsletters and volunteer. State that you’re an DEMOCRAT supporting him. Let his campaign put out the surge of Democrat support to his campaign. Start the tanking of Obama numbers. Visit McCain policies on Health Care , The Economy get familiar with his stance on the issues
http://www.johnmccain.com/HomeLogged.aspx
I’m from Ohio and I can see huge voter fraud potential. Isn’t it funny when you lose your Drivers License they have you provide your Social Security Card, if you don’t have this you can’t get your license in Ohio, but they’ll let you vote with no proof….
Mornin’
NoBamaDem, I was about to say the same thing about committees to handle different areas we want to attack.
I suggest we consider a media boycott as part of our plan. I’m thinking to target one network (guess which one) and boycott for a specified time – several times during the next two months. Details can come later, but I would vote for including them on the culprit list.
I had a fitful sleep last night. It’s a challenge not to let the frustration and betrayal overwhelm me right now. I feel numb right now, although this was expected.
I want to get organized here and get on with it, so we don’t get stuck crying in the soup.
Proud of Puma and so grateful to Murphy, Mama, Maryland, and all who represented us in Denver.
PUMA’s — REMEMBER THE SUFFRAGISTS
1. They DID get the vote for women
2. A major tactic was boycotting the Democratic Party in 2 major elections
3. Boycotting a party that does not embrace a fundamental principle of justice is a time-honored tradition in non-violent resistance
4. It can take a long time to win; but justice will win.
LEARN MORE ABOUT SUFFRAGIST TACTICS
http://www.unbrokencircles.com
Woke up this morning feeling very heavy-hearted and sad.
Glad to see Murphy’s post. Murphy, thank you for defining some parameters for our blog for the next few days. Very helpful and very sensitive to know this is a transition and we need some room to jockey around regarding the issue of who anyone does or doesn’t plan to vote for, but not too much and not for too long.
Been thinking a lot about Living Grace’s incredibly heartfelt expression from late last night. It was touching, revealing, and brave. She fueled my own revisitation of the issue that Clinton posed in her speech on the floor, asking whether we voted for HER or whether we voted for the issues we care about.
So here’s the deal, for me, at this point on that question:
Any question is tricky because by the very nature of the question, one’s options may appear be narrowed. In this case, Clinton presented an either/or situation. But, it’s not either/or. At least not for me.
I voted for her because of the issues she supported AND I voted for her because of HER. The former point is obvious. The latter point may be one that she and others (like the media) may try to suggest is foolish and contradicts the first point, i.e., is it about issues or about the candidate. In this case, it was about the candidate, as well, because I trusted her and did not, and do not, trust Obama. So, in this way, my vote was about issues AND the candidate, not one OR the other.
I’ve read some people wanting to leave the blog. I really hope that is just venting. If anyone is serious, please send me an email at dragonflypuma at gee mail dot com or at least make sure you are on the list to receive prowls. We certainly want to make sure you are in the loop so you can join us in actions that suit you.
I hate to even think of another 4-8 years of republican rule, but an Obama administration would be an even bigger disaster. Also, the behavior of the current democrat (they are by no means Democratic) leadership cannot be rewarded, which would give us the same mean, underhanded tactics from now until forever. I’m 70 years of age and a life-long Democrat, but will hold my nose and support and vote for the deplorable John McCain this fall.
i have been on this site for 3 days and i keep hearing complaints about fraud and corruption. but i have not heard any details, only the outrage. can somone be more specific or point me to a link where i can read about the corruption? right now i am on the fence and others probably are, too. thanks.
Can anyone send me a link to the youtube video about the sexism in the campaign that showed BO giving the finger and brushing HRC off his shoulder and I believe there is one that also includes the iron my shirt heckler and instances like the KFC sign and other business signs that were offensively anti Hillary? I need them to send to a BO supporter. Thanks.
Anna7000
Remember in the primaries Hillary said she represented a “seachange” because she is a woman. I agree voting for Hillary the person as well as the issues is viable.
Also agree that desprite the issues, I do not trust Obama to deliver. That’s the point in my book. His past and waffling all indicate we can not trust him.
Anyone can say anything and anyone can put their name on a position paper, but in the end voting our conscience means we trust our intuition about the person.
As the delegate said Tuesday night…”would you hire someone straight out of Harvard to run a major corporation?”
Well, my day is made – I posted over on ABC’s site – jake tapper- my
Nobama
Nobiden
November
When Democracy returns to the Democratic Party, so will we.
Some bot named Sanityman called me a republican in Puma clothing –
– been a member of democratic party for over 40+ years
Couldn’t help myself – replied back & told him basically to crawl back to his bot cave – I know, shouldn’t feed the trolls but couldn’t help myself
#109 john maybe it’s something in the universe but I can not get signed up . I think I signed up but then it ask for a password where I signed up didn’t ask me to make a password so i don’t have one. I emailed them about it and no one emailed me back. Where are you all going to do this, cuz i am sure having issues.
101 Asian4Hillary ~~~ THAT post really gave me the shiverz!!!!! Because when I read the sentence asking what makes them think the same thing can’t happen to them, brought the realization that all they need now is a military force to protect them. And then we are truly in the deep sheit as u say.
WE changed how things happened at the convention.
WE are the reason they HAD to put Hillary into nomination.
WE will be the reason BO does not win in November
WE will be the ones that change the democratic party forever.
WE WILL REMEMBER DENVER IN NOVEMBER!!!
#115 Jerome on 08.28.08 at 12:05 pm
“but will hold my nose and support and vote for John McCain this fall.”
Don’t worry Jerome, you’re in good company with a lot of Republicans that feel the same way. LOL For many, he wasn’t our first choice either.
Susie1945 – I think I’ve seen “Sanityman” before. He needed a puma paw about the face. Good one.
re#115 jerome
your position reflects my own feelings on this dilemma.. I’m not thrilled at all about john mccain nor the republican party.. I will support and vote mccain but I’m coming to that from a different place than your mainstream republican..
I am doing this for two reasons..first and most important is to keep obama out of the presidency which I feel will endanger and destabilize america in ways that are frightening and unthinkable..second I’m voting mccain as a protest vote to punish the DNC in the hope the rank and file members will see the light and steer the party back to semblance of sanity and balance..
…but our first priority is an emergency and that should be to rescue america as someone else put it and that means supporting and electing john mccain
58 bythelake on 08.28.08 at 11:29 am
Hi PUMAS! What a glorious day to know that we have a strong leaders in Murphy and the other Puma groups. From the bottom of my pea-pickin heart, thank you.
Now, here is an email I just received from NANCY H. ROGERS Attorney General of Ohio from my email the other night. Better late than never right? Wrong!
RE: Ballot Access
Dear Ms. *****,
Thank you for contacting the Attorney General’s Office regarding ballot access for the Democratic Party in Ohio….
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NO! This could still be useful information! Thank you for posting it!
While all these candidates are blowing smoke, there is a projected Catagory 3 Hurricane headed for New Orleans. Will the levees hold this time? I’ll bet BO and Peloosie are too busy with his coronation to notice.
http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200807_5day.html#a_topad
#116 4Hillary on 08.28.08 at 12:05 pm
Watch these ~
http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm
#43 jenniforhillary: A LOT OF US are with you!!!!!
#117 Big Cat Lover – this may be it. More coming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUmbjoEp2lU
4Hillary – stuff coming your way too in response to yours at #116
There’s a lot of info about how delegate counts work here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)_presidential_primaries,_2008
I’m very interested in finding out how the ‘pledged delegate’ situation works in New Hampshire, since all of our 30 votes were given to Obama (Hillary won the primary here).
Since we, obviously, can not ask Jimmy Carter to be a monitor on the election… maybe we can ask the United Kingdom to come and monitor!!
4Hilary – I agree, a lot of accusations have been slung with little to back them up. When the media has asked many leaders of these various grassroots orgs to state how the election was stolen from Clinton, I crave someone to just rattle off a laudry list that they can back up with a quick sound bite example. But, that rarely happens. I do think the DNC behaved in an egregious manner and I am working on a relatively large research project of my own intiative right now to document each point. I hope to share it as it is developing.
I think the main points, at the very least include voter fraud in caucus states. However, like your post notes, I’ve read so little hard facts about it. I’ve wondered, if such fraud were so rampant, wouldn’t it have been recorded and wouldn’t such record have been a powerful thing to forward to the press for further investigation. And, for all I know it was, and the media just didn’t care. But it’s something I’m trying to delve into further.
Then there’s what happened in FL and MI. On the one hand a person could say, well they DID break the rules. On the other hand, curiously, in the end, once Obama knew he had it in the bag, their votes were fully reinstated. So, if it were truly about the rules and the DNC feeling they couldn’t budge lest it give them less credibility in the future re: the rules, why reinstate them at any point? That’s been a rather manipulative piece in my view and completely political since Obama can’t afford for those voters to feel disenfranchised if he wants their votes.
Then there is the vague notion of SD’s switching to BO and some money/donation correlations. Hard to say how much of this can be proven. Candidates do contribute to SD’s, however the fact that presumably, ever single SD who was in the bag for Obama received more money from him than from Clinton does appear worthy of further investigating.
Another element is the pressure that was applied to pledged delagates to stop gathering signatures to place Clinton’s name in nomination.
Related to that is the pressure that was applied at the convention to pledged delegates not to create “drama” on the convention floor, ie, not reveal how very close the primary was and vote for Obama in order to reduce the number of votes for Clinton.
Those are a few things off the top of my head. There are likey more that I’m not remembering nor those I’ve yet to uncover.
All of that said, I have no staff and no money and I’m not an investigative journalist. Bottom line, all of this is really the stuff for the press to ferret out and expose. Sadly, they haven’t done it.
4Hillary – Re CORRUPTION, FRAUD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmikfM4TqAM
4Hillary – I also have pdf files that may be of interest to you. I have a few more links too.
you can email me re fraud, corruption at dragonflypuma at gee mail dot com
I want express my opion out what a travesty this wk. has been to thounsands of Dem. across this country who watch this so call nomination of the Dem. Party I’m so ashamed of this party that I’ve belong to my whole life, I have never ever voted for any other party in any election. I still cant believe this has happened. But now I’m faced with one fact, if I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take this anymore than I have make sure Ob does not get to be the President come this fall.
Now what I’m going to say is a fact, you must not throw away you vote come this fall. People who stay home or vote 3rd. party will be doing just that. first rule in union organizing is make every vote counts. Example: Say there are 20 voters, 10 for ob, and 10 for Hill, now the 10 for ob will vote for ob, and Hills 10 might spilt there votes,7 for the next possible candidate to be elected , 2 for 3rd party, and 1 person did not vote, result OB WINS, its that simple, the choice is yours, as for my vote I want to get even and make sure the DNC knows they should never taken us for granted again.
#53 thanks Dragonfly….she is always say her emailbox is burning up..I want to throw my little flame in there too.
If the link doesn’t post correctly this time, please copy & paste the entire address:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)_presidential_primaries,_2008
4Hillary re Texas caucus fraud -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE8CPA_I6pU
this is just the tip of the iceberg on this topic.
Check out McCain New Video….It’s very damaging
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
STATE LAWS VERSES HOW DELEGATES VOTED?
STORY TIPS:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/BrianRoss/page?id=3247430
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Brain Ross is Investigating “The Big Money Trail” of Lobbyists, Corporate Donors and Big Money “Private” Donors at the DNC Convention.
An ABC producer, working on this story was arrested on a public sidewalk at a hotel where Dem Senators and Big Donors were at a private meeting. (Obama is staying silent on the issue)
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Conventions/story?id=5668622&page=1
If anyone gets Rush Limbaugh right now, tune in….great discourse on BO’s tactics for victory. SCARY stuff.
#116 4Hillary on 08.28.08 at 12:05 pm
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You could start here: http://www.lynettelong.com/caucusfraud/
Or here:
http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm
Murphy,
Well said! I am on board 100%. The process by which this nomination occurred is disgraceful and is just a preview of an Obama presidency. Beware!
Big Cat Lover – this may also have what you are looking for on MSM dissing HILL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke64670GkZ8
It’s Time for Real Change
How the Democrats Helped Bush Hijack the Country
By CYNTHIA McKINNEY
Our country has been hijacked and the Democrats have proven themselves to have been in on the plan. When it came to the Constitution, the Democratic leadership showed us that aiding and abetting illegal spying on us was more important to them than protecting our civil liberties.
When it came to war and occupation, the Democratic leadership showed us that financing an illegal and immoral war, based on lies, was more important to them than the people’s desire for peace.
And when the people, hurting from the financial mismanagement of this country, called for accountability for the crimes that have been committed against the people here, against the global community, against nature, itself, the Democratic leadership took impeachment off the table!
Grassroots Democratic Party activists want a livable wage! A “Medicare-for-all” type of health care system, repeal of the Bush tax cuts that have ushered in the greatest income inequality in this country since the Great Depression. But the Democratic Party has shown itself to be incapable of providing even a semblance of the values even of its own activists.
The Democratic Party’s national leadership didn’t even mention Hurricanes Katrina and Rita survivors in their Congressional agenda for the first 100 days.
The Democratic Party’s national leadership gave us the Iran Naval Blockade bill, the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act, and telecom immunity. They continue to fund war and occupation to the tune of $720 million a day while our children graduate from college tens–or even hundreds–of thousands of dollars in debt. Entire cities are going into receivership while the Democratic leadership in Congress gives the Pentagon one half trillion dollars annually with no accountability, no strings attached. That’s over and above spending for war.
Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo are the hallmarks of the new U.S. gulag Democrats are helping to create.
They want us to believe that China and Russia are our enemies, in addition to the 60 countries on Dick Cheney’s list. They want us to believe that workers, who come to this country to support thier families after Democratic leadership in the country saddl3ed workers with NAFTA, are our enemies. But we are here today to declare that we know who the real enemies are: those false patriots that George Washington warned us of, who wrap themselves in the flag while betraying our values.
We are the true patriots!
We know that the strength of this country lies in the way it countenances dissent. And we are here to dissent. We are not deterred by reports of sleek, new detention facilities or recently-acquired taser guns that kill. For we come to dissent in peace. Indeed, we dissent for peace.
Today, we declare our independence from conformity and “go-along-to-get-along” politics. We declare our willingness to be radical in pursuit of peace and in our hunger for justice.
We can see clearly now who the real stickup artists are and that’s why we’re in Denver!
Our actions here this week begin the disarming of the hijackers. We no longer are afraid. And we won’t be deceived. We know that a vote for the Democrats is a vote for more war in Afghanistan and other parts of the world.
But today, we are now free.
Free to stand on the four pillars guiding our political engagement: environmental wisdom, peace, grassroots democratcy, and social justice. And finally, we know our power. We know the power of the people. We know that true power rests in the hands of the people. People who are willing to take a stand.
We need look no further than Haiti, Code,I’voire, Spain, and India to see the power of the people at the ballot box. No further than Brazil, Venezuela, Chile, Argentina, Ecuador, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Paraguay to know that if they can do it, so can we.
Provided our elections are fair!
And if the Democrats cave in, in the face of fraud, disfranchisement, and theft, then we will be there to demand election integrity!
All over this country, the signs are there. People from New York to Florida, Washington State to California, Colorado to Texas are liberating themselves.
We must not stop! Our country is worth it! Let’s take our country back! Power to the People!
Cynthia McKinney is the Green Party’s nominee for president.
Go to http://www. runcynthiarun. org
Register, log in, read, educate yourself and CONTRIBUTE!
And pass the site on to everyone you know!
http://www. youtube. com/watch?v=hzoiIQSanx4
Bigcatlover this is the one with Iron my shirt and KFC I will find the one with the finger and brushing his shirt give me a second.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbzT2YqhGT4
Hey, Anna7000! You are right. Hillstheone was saying the same thing last night from Denver. We need talking points to rattle off.
Okay, y’all, my wings are tired. Must get back to work and off the surfboard.
love to all PUMAs
OUCH!
#140 john on 08.28.08 at 12:20 pm Check out McCain New Video….It’s very damaging
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
MURPHY!!!
In order to create more organization for Round 2, is there a way we could create some categories to store stuff that’s posted on the blog. It wouldn’t even require a person to scroll, cut and paste. It could be a repository where we could post links to articles and such that would fall into cateories, such as voter fraud, supression of information, etc.
Would be worth brainstorming with a few folks to get a sense of what the cateogries should be. Not so broad as to become too filled up, yet not so narrow no one will bother to have the patience to figure out the best place to put their link.
It just seems that over the past few months A LOT of information just gets posted here and many ask over and over again for it and/or while we’re working on various prowls, there’s tons of stuff on the blog that could help us but it’s nearly impossible to find.
Im sending an email to Murphy… its up to her if I come back or not…. love ya all… bye for now.
MURPHY –
P.S. One category I would strongly suggest would be HELP WANTED!!!! It could be a place we could post a project we’re working on and the kinds of information and resources we need. Exactly how others could respond, I’m not sure since it shouldn’t require anyone giving out their e-mail address. But, I’m sure the details of that could get worked out.
Sssoooooooo much gets lost on the blog. It’s sort of like the luck of the draw if you happen to be on at the same time someone else is who might have info you need. And I think we all pretty much agree that scrolling through thousands of posts is just not realistic or a good use of anyone’s time.
When we vote in McCain, and he aggressively plunges the world into a second Cold War, THEN then DNC will have learned their lesson and will regreted having selected, not elected, NObama…
Go PUMAs! McCain 2008!
#140 john on 08.28.08 at 12:20 pm
Check out McCain New Video….It’s very damaging
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
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WOW! Great ad.
Ergot4Hill If I am not mistaken the president of Russa was saying somethink about a new cold war this week.
I faxed Hillary what I thought about the roll call. I also think we need a PROWL to Pres. Jimmy Carter. Here is my letter, I prefer that you make up your own for better impact.
Former President Jimmy Carter
BY FAX: (404) 331-0283
I am one of the 18m who supported Senator Hillary Clinton in her quest to become the first female president in history. I had hoped for a fair roll call in order that Sen. Clinton’s delegates would have the opportunity to vote for her as our Party’s nominee. I am angry and disillusioned. I have never seen such a farce that was perpetrated upon the American people by the sham roll call.
Where were you when our voices were crying out to be heard? Why is it important to have fair elections abroad and not in the U.S.? Why were the delegates threatened by members of congress, Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean? Why is there an investigation into the AR chair’s murder who had signed the petition to have Hillary Clinton’s name be put in nomination, not as a favor but as a right? Why are there so many unanswered questions about Obama’s Muslim background and the numerous lawsuits filed against him?
Our men are dying in Iraq and all over the world for Democracy. We do not have Democracy in America. What message does this send to the rest of the world? We are the laughing stock of the world now because we cannot control our own elections. WHERE WERE YOU, WHY DID YOU NOT SPEAK OUT AGAINST THIS INJUSTICE!!
Our First Amendment rights have been violated by you, Sen. Obama and all of his enablers. Sen. Obama is the most unqualified and unvetted candidate the DNC has shoved down our throats.
You have lost all credibility as a spokesman and should be ashamed that you allowed this to happen. This is America and we still believe in the Red, White & Blue and that all of our voices should be heard. Sen. Clinton was right, if you see the dogs, keep on running!
Britany Spears’ stage designers and builders are the ones building the “Obamadome” for tonight per FOX lol
Cross-voting is a means of achieving double impact with your vote. I decided early on, that if Clinton and her delegates were treated fairly and the process was democratic at the convention and she still lost, I would just not vote. With this latest outrage, I will vote for McCain because it gives me double the means to stop this anti-democratic, unAmerican deciever. After What I have just witnessed I believe Obama is a threat to my Country.
#5 In case you weren’t answered: the Norning Call paper in Allentown PA today reported the DNC and the FEC have until Oct 21 08 to answer!
#140 John
one of the best flip flops of the leaders in the democrat party against the chosen one, great video gets right to the heart of why this man should never become the president of this great country.
#5 I meant Morning Call.
Yeah, I’m listening right now. He’s making some excellent points about BO. Too bad his “Operation Chaos” didn’t help Hillary as much as he wanted it to.
#142 doria on 08.28.08 at 12:21 pm
If anyone gets Rush Limbaugh right now, tune in….great discourse on BO’s tactics for victory. SCARY stuff.
re#153
obama and the DNC are not exactly peace lovers..they have been the ones running a round threatening to “nuke” Iran and “invade” a nuclear Pakistan..
obama is trying to play a sleight of hand eggshell game shifting the eye of war from iraq to afghanistan and pakistan which are flashpoint areas tremendously more dangerous than Iraq
Ergot4Hill, let’s all pray that this doesn’t happen.
#153 Ergot4Hill on 08.28.08 at 12:29 pm
“he aggressively plunges the world into a second Cold War,…”
#164 mick,
I hope it doesn’t happen either, but if it does, it will be the DNC’s fault.
I agree with Anna and several others that we need to be using this time to develop and refine our PAC still more.
I would suggest establishing an Archives, with one or more people possibly voted on to be responsible for it.
I would also suggest taking bit of a ‘wait-and-see’ stance, at least until after the Republican convention.
From what I’ve gathered from the McCain blog, they see the threat to Democracy and our american way of life as much as we do. They also refer to ‘Obamabots’ and one referred to them as ‘insurgents’.
Something that REALLY worries me grew out of Asian4Hillary’s post.
The whole world is watching us. For all of my life America has been looked up to and being American was something to be desired greatly (or despised as the case may be). If we fall in the eyes of the world to third world country status, our fight will not be just with Obama. We can ill afford to let this despot become President. We simply don’t have time left to us to wait 4 more years for another chance.
This week has been a painful reminder of how much work remains for PUMA. The Clintons were an inspiration this week. We too need to smile in the face of aversity but move on changing things for the better. I hope the PUMA will not be discouraged and forge ahead on. Here are the areas I would like some help with and am willing to work on:
Reform the DNC and expel (or at least neutralize) the “unholy” trinity (Pelosi, Brazille and Dean)
Advance true media reform. (I have been very disappointed in the apparent strong pro-Obama bent of Media Matters. ) Just think, the media chose Obama and has been trying to make us swallow him whole since February. Under those circumstances Roe v Wade should be the least of our concerns.
Prepare for future elections. (We need to note who stood for Hillary and vote accordingly.)
Continue to advance PUMA as a force.
Engage folks outside the cyberworld. There are many PUMAs out there.
VICTORY IN DEFEAT
The Suffragists suffered similar defeats in their struggle. yet, they realized that each defeat had also advanced their cause.
http://unbrokencircles.com/blog4/
Count me in as another democrat for McCain. I cannot worship at the Temple of NOBAMA. The DNC and the MSM CANNOT get a candidate that represents middle America. I cannot believe that the press is comparing him to Martin Luther King. Malcom X and Stalin were nothing like Martin Luther King. Obama himself talks about their influence on him in his books. Do not drink the koolaid from the fountain at Obama’s temple.
Murphy, thanks for doing such an amazing job! We were all wishing you well, us Pumas who couldn’t get to Denver and be a part of this historic protest.
I am with you still stronger than ever! Let’s keep it going. The Clintons “did their job” with their speeches. We know what’s in their hearts. Who wouldn’t be flattered from all our loyalty?
We are smart like the Clintons. We know BO is not truly ready or worthy to lead with all the fraudulent and sexist, playing the race card, etc., that was allowed to occur. I know plenty of people that are more qualified to lead than BO, regular folks who run successful companies, who do not aassociate and socialize with unrepented terrorists, who know how many states there are! The DNC turned out to be a big joke and I do find it criminal that these delegates would vote against their own people’s wishes. Can McCain be more dispicable in character than what we have seen in this process? I doubt it. He may begrudgingly be my choice this November.
We will await your instructions…
Yes that AD is great: McCain camp is running a smart campaign….Hey the the fighter pilot knows how to FIGHT
thanks everyone who provided me links to election corruption and/or fraud. but i was hoping for some information from news sites or the maybe the clinton campaign. the problem with personal blogs is that by the time i sift through all of the rants and emotion the information seems a bit less credible.
i think it might be good if this site put up a page with some facts. the about page of the site does not have any specifics.
i appreciate the people here and their passion. but like others here have stated, i am not ready to fall in line without a good reason.
HOW TO START EACH DAY WITH A POSITIVE OUTLOOK
1. Open a new file in your computer.
2. Name it ‘Barack Obama’.
3. Send it to the Recycle Bin.
4. Empty the Recycle Bin.
5. Your PC will ask you: ‘Do you really want to get rid of ‘Barack Obama?’
6. Firmly Click ‘Yes.’
7. Feel better?
GOOD – Tomorrow we’ll do Nancy Pelosi!
Just doing a quick check in. After thinking about what happened yesterday I think I’m on board with continuing to protest the election. Here’s part of my reason. When Al Gore endorsed BO a few months ago I continued to protest because that endorsement didn’t change what had happened (caucus fraud, intimidation, BO’s lack of experience, etc…). I respect Hillary and Bill Clinton, but their supposed endorsement of BO doesn’t change what has happened this past year. It doesn’t erase that. I also think that it was a mistake for Sen. Clinton to stop the roll call last night. She should not have agreed to that deal with the corrupt Democratic leaders. She should have told them that the process mattered more. The roll call had always been done before and there was no reason things should be different this time.
The first letter I will write will be to Senator Clinton and Bill Clinton. It will be similar to the one I sent to Al Gore: I respectfully disagree with your decision to support BO and here are the reasons why…
I know there probably will be a lot of talk about whether it is time to support McCain now. I might have no problem casting a protest vote for McCain in November, but it’s not November yet.
Best,
Lara08
140 john Whoa!! that is really scarey and to the point!!
#100 Larry rules…… I am sending this information to Lou Dobbs… he is big on voter fraud stuff… everyone here…..
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THIS TOO… SORT OF MY IDEA OF A PROWL….. PLEASE… THE MORE VOICES THE BETTER… LET’S GET STARTED HERE!!!
re#172 zephyr
if its an obama file it would be wise to zap it with a “spyware” remover to rid it of a possible “obamavirus”
The McCain ad posted up thread is very slick. No doubt.
As for the prospect of plunging us into another cold war, I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. “Vengance” may not only be (presumably) thrust upon the Democratic Party. The results will be thrust upon all of us. The DNC doesn’t exist in a bubble. Our lives will be impacted by what happens in November. From where I sit, the choices suck. I liked Heidi Li’s view of being a “conscientious objector”. But, it’s a long time between now and election day and my view may change, more than once quite likely.
151 prowlland on 08.28.08 at 12:28 pm
Im sending an email to Murphy… its up to her if I come back or not…. love ya all… bye for now.
What happened?????
# 172 zephyr
Love it! Will Do.
#130 Dragonfly and #145
Thanks, this is exactly what I was looking for.
#176, how do you zap it before you oepn? I don’t know how to do that?
Nothing will punish the DNC for its corruption like helping to elect an even MORE corrupt Republican administration instead.
Maybe they will shape up after that.
While it will feel odd to vote “R” for the first time in my life, it is the only way to really teach the DNC a lesson.
McCain 2008 – NOBama NO WAY.
VOTER FRAUD ALERT!!!
PLEASE LOU… REPORT THIS!!!
I just called the Ohio Sec of State (614-466-2585) and the lady verifed that
1.) Ohio’s law has just been changed: you can register and vote in the same day from Sept 30-Oct 6, and
2.) NO PHOTO ID REQUIRED!!! All you have to do is either give them the last 4 digits of your Soc, or just show them a utility bill with your name and address on it. How freaking crazy is that???
OMGosh, LOOK, in college when my friends and I were younger and stupid-er, I’ve watched them go into a library, use the Library’s own typewriter, type a fake name and address on a card, stick the card so it showed through the window of a previously (carefully) opened utility bill envelope, reseal it, and go right up to the desk to get a new library card!!! IT IS EASY AS PIE TO DO. And now with laser printers on everybody’s desk, it’s insanity.
Com’on. Can you say Voter Fruad??!
I asked the nice lady at the Sec of State’s office what will prevent major VOTER FRAUD, and you know what she said? “WELL, I GUESS NOTHING…”
#172 zephyr
Love your practical humor. I’m gonna try it.
My husband said this morning that a friend of his, who was a Republican, told him the whole Democratic Party was nothing more than a farce. He now believed it after witnessing last night. The point I am trying to make here is that they have hurt themselves worst and with last night stunt that only proved what a dog and pony show this really is. These guys don’t seem to be able to get it right and their antics are only losing them support and votes. They better have this cheating thing down pat, because that pretty soon will be all they have left to work with.
Puma Power – we never stop until we win!
#146 ClintonDem4Cynthia2008
Please read Murphy’s post, do not promote your candidate on this website. You are clogging up the blog, it’s slow enough. Furthermore, Cynthia McKinney is the congresswoman who punched a cop in the face because he didn’t recognize her. I wouldn’t go to her website if you paid me. Not a nice lady.
If you are supporting McCain to protest or if you think he will be the better of the two, for any reason please let them know at this website.
http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/if-youre-supporting-mccain-let-us-hear-from/#comment-883
156 ladyhawkke ~ Right on, right on~~~ RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!
4hillary – you are so right on to want credible info. my hat’s off to you. quality journalism has merged with tabloid journalism which has merged with sensationalized tv news magazine programs which has melded op-ed pieces which blend with blog which reflect rumors and personal theories and it’s a giant mess to wade through to tease apart fact from fiction! making matters worse, in this election cycle, the media simply hasn’t dont its job and hasn’t investiaged where and when they should have, so it makes it much harder. however, there surely were pieces in major print media (though not nearly enough) as well as non-msm outlets that did appear to report very well and very credibly. i hope many of us are tracking quality information down as we speak and that you will join that effort.
#100 Larry rules, what part of Ohio are you in? I’m in Ytown. I just filed a complaint with the Secretary of State about workers not asking voters to show ID in the primaries. Also, I couldn’t get a real person to find out if Hillary has filed a Declaration of Intent yet so that she can be a write-in for the GE. She only has until September 3rd to file the Intent. If she doesn’t then a write-in for Hillary will not count.
177 Anna7000~~~ OMG, can I EVER relate to that!
ohio is not alone. there are only 3 states where a photo is required to vote. indiana, georgia and florida.
Just walked in the door from scorching Vegas…was without news about convention all Wednesday but heard a snippet of Bill Clinton’s speech. The Clintons havt to do what is necessary to seal their place in the Dem. Party – this we cannot fault them. Kudos to them for putting on a good show.
For me, I am absolutely sick that a lot of this argument of electing Obama is about the vindication of the black community. I did not ask to be part of the black community’s passion to vindicate their past. I do not care to elect a Black president just to say that we atoned for our past. I am not part of the past – I am part of the future…. and I will not cast my vote for Obama because he is not worth my vote. I will cast my vote for McCain who has some semblance of decency and love of country.
Nothing about Obama is decent and he with his family clearly has issues about being citizens of America.
bmw60 – sounds like a great project for PUMAs in Ohio to take on, no? get the basic facts. do a bit of research about voter fraud. then go to the media with a case that is compelling enough for them to pick up the ball and run with it.
172 zephyr~~~ LMAO (Y)
See? Living Grace’s 195 post made me scroll up to zephyr’s 172 post, which is a hysterical post that i’d seen before on the blog. Could have a category called: “Humor” so that gem never gets lost!!!
That fake roll call was just to embarrass Hillary one more time. That evil looking mo looked like she would like to kill Bill and Hillary..
Cats don’t forget,and they do not forgive. I knew when they “selected” bo that I would vote for John McCain.
A no vote or a write in or a vote for a third party is still a vote for bo. That man will never be president. Never.
I don’t have to believe in the Republican Party. All I have to do is compare the two men. That is such an easy choice.
I am still broken hearted about what they did to Hillary and Bill. I told my husband that they probably had a gun pointed at him to make sure he said what they told him to.
I will continue to fight, but right now I have to have time to heal..
Hillary is my choice.. always will be. You are a shining star, and a great example for all women – young and old.
#185
Yes, they did major damage to the Democratic Party and looked quite foolish doing it.
New women’s group: http://thenewagenda.net/
-Lara08
#194 Anna7000, I saw it with my own eyes and it happened to me. The worker asked me my name and address and when I started to show her my driver license she said “Oh, I don’t have to see that”.
Anyone can use someones name and address with no proof at all! I just filed a complaint with the Secretary of State. Prowl Done!
I hope PUMAs will join me in urging John McCain to select a woman VP:
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/hillary-supporters-pick-for-mccain-vp/
****Henerietta and Alice****
It’s Mike. This part of Indiana is having some problem with Verizon phone lines and my e-mail is not working. My g-mail address seems to be alright though, so I’ll be e-mailing you from there until my other address is fixed. I can still receive e-mails from you though. Thanks.
Gallup poll just in -
“Democratic candidate Barack Obama has gained ground in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking average from Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, and now leads Republican John McCain among registered voters by a 48% to 42% margin.”
#184 BigCatLover…..someone sent that to me…didn’t create it myself…but thought we needed some humor today!!!!
177 Anna7000 you are so right about the media dropping the ball.
i hope i don’t get attacked for saying this but people here need to have some facts at their fingertips because without them, the only people joining this movement will be the people that already share the same viewpoints. success will depend on growth, and growth will require changing peoples minds. education is a powerful tool.
again, i dont want to be attacked, but it seems that most of the energy here is spent on pumas reinforcing each other’s opinions. i am not sure how much good that will do going forward.
BO- 48%, McCain 42%. Just out Gallup poll.
#77 Rodham in Flag on 08.28.08 at 11:37 am 58BYthelake……….
In reference to my earlier post, I faxed the Secretary of State of Ohio earlier this week. Haven’t heard a peep. I know they are in Denver but buddy when she comes back I WANT ANSWERS!
I don’t understand this when I go and vote here in Ohio we have to have our ID take it out and show them and we have to sign a sheet and the signature has to match the signature we signed the first time they take a lot of measures to assure you are who you say you are.. What the heck is happening.
Murphy: I second your thoughts. No particular endorsement or support for McCain unless we as individuals will move that way, on our own, in our own time. I am sure that as time progresses, we can outline a plan to address the concerns and objections we have toward the democratic party.
#204 Middle age female no big deal even the repubs said he would get a bounce I can handle 6 points they all thought it would be around 10 or 15 points (that is usually how it goes after your convention(sp).
#206 slyt2, I’m in Mahoning County and I guess the poll workers here just don’t give a rat’s a$$ who votes. We have to sign in also but who’s to say you are who you say you are without ID. I was not asked to show ID.
Anna7000…I usually just lurk but believe with all my heart that you are right….HELP WANTED AD…I’m in for whatever you need me to do, just steer me in the direction and I’ll do my very best. The way to change is to work hard and be heard! It’s time not only for the DNC to hear the PUMAS roar but everyone else and we can roar the loudest by bringing any/all info to light that we can find with proof to back it up.
I for one will be actively campaigning for John McCain, I have already signed up and been in contact with the right people.
Whether or not I do this under the umbrella of PumaPac is up to PumaPac. But I wholeheartedly believe the only way to defeat B.O. is to make sure McCain wins.
I made this point last night and I will make it again. I DO NOT believe in putting someone down for their choice. Everyone has a right to vote for whomever they want or not vote if that is their choice.
But I also have the right and the obligation to do what I think is best for my life and my Country and I will be doing that.
I became a PUMA on June first somewhere between Gretawire and The Confluence, I joined PumaPac a couple of days later. I am a Puma and I will be a Puma for life. I will continue to work for our goals because they are extremely important, but my second goal is equally important and that is to make sure B.O. looses this election.
slyt2 you have to have proof of your identity. it does not require a photo. there are some people that do not want their photo taken, for religious purposes and others.
the supreme court rules earlier this year that a state has the right to require a photo id. so far only 3 states require a photo.
Re: Gallop Poll
Nominees traditionally get a 5 point bump within the week after the convention.
4Hillary
I see no reason for anyone to jump on you. Quite the opposite. I think you’re raising absolutely crucial issues. I, for one, agree. If we are to grow, we have to be credible, which means having reliable facts, not self-righteous emotional outbursts. I think the blog serves many purposes, though, and one if to find support among like-minded people. But, your point is very well taken, at least by me. And, I had a lot of personal experiences with fantastic people that didn’t want to join the blog because the discourse just didn’t feel like a place they wanted to be – too much like a self-congratulatory clique. So, I hope we can balance patting each other on the back, cheering each other on, and supporting each other with serious disucussions and work that reflects truth, including truth that may not suit our liking. (Now, maybe I’ll take the heat for this post!)
gallup has a O up by 6
rasmussen says only 1
new california poll shows mccain with an astounding 12 point come back since july..
californians are taking a second look at Obama..
This afternoon would be a GREAT time for McCain to announce his VP~~it would still MSM attention from Obama’s thunder and speech tonight!!
Might be dirty pool, but what hasn’t been so far.
Good morning Pumas, This is the first chance I have had to get on the blog during this long week. I just have to say Thank you to Murphy, Mama Puma, Dances, Maryland for holding this thing together during this week. I stand in awe of how hard they worked and how much of their soul they put into putting this all together for everyone to be involved. I do not have all my thoughts together yet of everthing that transpired during this week. It was like a roller coaster ride, one minute we were up and seconds later we were coming down. I do know that it was an amazing experience to meet everyone in person, and get out there as a pac. The day we protested down the 16th Street Mall was amazing. We started out with just PP members, as we were walking and chanting “what does democracy look like?….This is what democracy looks like” People on the mall started waving, whistling, shouting and joining our march! It was a wonderful feeling. Then we got in front of Msnbo….confronted the obots..and out shouted them and then confronted Chris Matthews….shouting at him letting him know how we really felt…it was awesome…(although in the scuffle, I did lose my camera and all my pix of the protest, and grandkids).
I just want to say…we still need to stick together, our work is only beginning. Now we are known, worldwide. No matter the outcome…We..The PUMAPAC made a difference, and people love us.
I would also like people to give a shout out to the DENVER POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE AURORIA CAMPUS POLICE, AND ALL OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS involved. They were VERY GOOD TO US. THEY LED US ACROSS STREETS, STOPPING TRAFFIC, They protected us against the obots. Many of them were PUMAS at HEART, and HILLARY supporters, they just could not say so publicly. I would like it if members would write a letter to the Denver Post, Rocky Mountain News and to the police department and thank them for their protection and courtesy towards us.
talk to you all later, Love to all from Denver. I dont leave until Saturday.
I really called the secretary of state… and spoke with a young man named Terry… we talked for some time and he gave me this gibberish about poll workers training…LOL… Hey, this girl grew up in Chicago.. and I know about political Fraud… rife in Chicago.
I asked him what was wrong with using all the money they are using to train poll workers and getting picture ID’s… My Mother in Delaware couldn’t even get Medicaid without a picture ID and she didn’t drive… she thought it was important enough … and so should the voters in the State of Ohio…
I’ve been thinking that maybe it’s a good thing that the messiah and followers are in denial and really believe that we’re all getting on the “bamwagon to unify the party”. (“What a fool believes he sees.”) So if they think everything is ok, they won’t be concerned with us and there’s nothing for them to “fix”. They’ll be fat and happy and never see it coming until we hit them square in the face on Election Day with a resounding defeat.
I for one am voting for McCain in protest not only against the ONC, but also to show the MSM and sexist pigs like Matthews and Olbercrap that they don’t dictate my vote.
#147 slyt2
Just say your post in answer to my video request. Thanks. I just sent off all videos to my BO supporter friend.
#183bmw60 This is horrible. With these kinds of dirty tactics, it is entirely possible he could win. That’s what the Repubs did, played dirty. Very scary as OH is a very important state.
Hey PUMAS -
just to put a little perspective on this whole frickin’ mess in Denver – many millions of people were not and will not be glued to their television sets to watch what happen(s)ed – same thing for the Republican Convention next week here in Minnesota – for instance, football is on tonite – now how many people (mostly men) are gonna watch a greek farce in Denver over a pro football game? Keep those thoughts in mind and it will make the mountain become a lot smaller than what we think it is now.
Like I have stated and stated and stated, I will do everything in my power to defeat precious in November – let’s see what the picture looks like after the Republicans get done with their big circus next week
Keep the faith PUMAs –
Judas, Governor Richardson was on one of the news shows, complaining that President Clinton won’t talk to him. Judas was passed up for VP.
Senator Obama’s Acceptance speech @ Sports Arena.
Besides erecting the Greek Temple, Senator Obama
should have built also “The Brandenburg Gate” as he
has been trying to emulate Germany’s Hitler and his
Nuremburg rallies and youth camps for volunteers…….
A total waste of money, which would have been better directed to charitable causes……….
Shane, Ireland
#193 FREDDIE….. I HAVE THIS FROM ANOTHER BLOG… A BLACK WOMAN WROTE IT!!!
“My roots are not in Africa, my ancestors were, my neighbors roots are not in Europe, their ancestors where, my roots are in America. I am a person of color, but I am a American I am not an African and make no mistake my loyalties lie with America Rev. Wright. I do not wish to separate myself nor my family from America I do not wish to see a black America and white America and yellow America and brown America.
Rev. Wright I grew up on welfare in “the projects”. I am now a college graduate a wife and mother of 2 children. I will not teach my children to look for injustices because if they cant make it in this world and rise above the unfairness we all experience in life it is their own deficiencies not societies. If you teach children to look for injustices they will always find them and they will always see others of another color as out to hold them down, with an attitude like that they will never find successes.
I do not now nor have I ever nor will I ever tolerate Ebonics in my household, while we do not speak the English of England or Europe we do speak, in this house, the English of America, because Rev. Wright we are American’s in this house. I am personally sick and tired of hearing all about the mother land Africa, yes our history is beautiful and colorful and sad and frightening and bright and vibrant but my mother land is America my ancestors mother land was Africa. I will tell you what apparently other blacks don’t want to tell you or are afraid to tell you, if you feel so strongly that big bad whitey is out to get you and the mother land Africa needs so much help then you should leave you mansion in Illinois and go to Africa and do your nasty separatist work there.”
I KNOW THIS EMPTY SHIRT IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF BLACK AMERICA… THIS WOMAN IS!!!
bmw60 you should read #212. there is no law that requires a photo (yet).
prplvette85 – thanks for your post. so great to hear that you were all treated with the respect and protection you deserved. i love the idea of thanking all of those you listed. even for those of us who weren’t in denver, it’d be a great thing to do since you all were representing us AND many of us recall the days when there were no thanks to be given to the police due to very aggressive behavior during protests. if you have contact info for the various departments/gov’t agencies you listed, could you post them? i think it would make a great little prowl (maybe you could e-mail murphy with the idea) and perfect timing as we’re reeling after this week’s disappointments and trying to regroup. thanking those who deserve it is important and refueling as well.
here’s the media link if you want to act on #183′s post
2020@abc.com, 48hours@cbsnews.com, 60minutes@cbsnews.com, abcnews@abcnews.com, americasnewsroom@foxnews.com, cavuto@foxnews.com, Colmes@foxnews.com, comments@foxnews.com, earlyshow@cbs.com, earlyshow@cbs.com, editor@usatoday.com, EIRushbo@eibnet.com, evening@cbsnews.com, Foxreport@foxnews.com, ftn@cbsnews.com, geraldo.rivera@foxnews.com, gretawire@fox.com, Hannity@foxnews.com, hardball@msnbc.com, hemmer@foxnews.com, hume@foxnews.comi, info@ap.org, info@cnbc.com, joe@msnbc.com, letters@latimes.com, letters@msnbc.com, letters@newsweek.com, letters@nytimes.com, letters@time.com, letters@washpost.com, loudobbs@cnn.com, me@glennbeck.com, morning@npr.org, moyersonpbs@thirteen.org, netaudr@abc.com, newshour@pbs.org, nightline@abcnews.com, nightly@nbc.com, nytnews@nytimes.com, ombudsman@washpost.com, ontherecord@foxnews.com, Oreilly@foxnews.com, phil.boyce@citcomm.com, primetime@abcnews.com, readers.rep@latimes.com, rush@eibnet.com, senioreditor@nytimes.com, special@foxnews.com, thisweek@abcnews.com, tips@upi.com, today@msnbc.com, totn@npr.org, weekendlive@foxnews.com, wsj.ltrs@wsj.com, yourcomments@foxnews.com, yourworld@foxnews.com,
213 Anna7000 ~~~ You wont get any heat from me. I, for one, have benefited from a post of yours very similar to this one. In it, you also said that you knew of people staying away from this blog because of the nature of some of the inflamatory posts.
I think it was the next day when…..
anyway, it really made me stop and think about putting principles before personalities and the quality of my contributions.
Today, Living Grace is the result and MountainSong learned a lesson.
So I hope others will take note and realize that this is our day. We can’t do another PUMA PAC.
The situation in Ohio is ripe for the Camp Obama graduates to manipulate the results. Amazing that this law just passed. When exactly?
I think this is a place to focus attention given the importance of Ohio.
Also the arrest of the ABC producer is quite interesting. From the tape, it appeared the officer pushed him away from a public sidewalk. I wonder what the complaint was and by whom exactly. It doesn’t appear they had probable cause to arrest him.
From the report, it appears they were taping the comings and goings of major donors attempting to get statements. I wonder who was at the meeting.
I will be donating to McCain in the next few days.my first money to him…..
Just got back from denver…
We did what we could! agree tht denver police/security were great.
Bill and Hill spoke what they needed to…But while I love you both, I still have my own will and mind.
I will be voting McCain!
I need help to get to swing states for McCain…CA will remain blue…so my efforts need to be in swing states..
Flowerchild2 on 08.28.08 at 1:21 pm Judas, Governor Richardson was on one of the news shows, complaining that President Clinton won’t talk to him. Judas was passed up for VP.
You know, lastnight while bloging here someone asked how come Judas speech was suspended, I said that Bill had problable slap him silly because of what he did to the Clintons. It make sense that Judas is crying now..
#214 Pink Puma
I have been watching Gallup and am of the opinion that BO and McCain are basically tied at an average of 45%, with McCain on the rise at 1% per week. There will be some +/- to the numbers. Maybe the Conventions will have some impact, but the RNC starts right after the DNC as McCain may announce his VP tomorrow.
DENVER UPDATE @@@@@@@@@@@@@@ FROM MY FRIEND
Hello Hill Fans!
I’m at the Denver airport still wearing my Hillary pin. Yesterday was a very busy day for Hillary supporters.
We had a rally and demonstration outside one of the gates into the Pepsi Center. This was one of the gates the delegates used to enter the convention yesterday afternoon. We rallied for almost 4 hours. The purpose was to show support for the Hillary delegates who were being pressured and intimidated into changing their votes to Obama. The delegates actually voted in the morning in their hotel rooms. We heard that intense pressure was put on the Kentucky delegation to switch all of their votes to Obama even though Hillary won the s tate by 40%. (Later we saw that at least 24 KY delegates said, No we won’t. They were told their political careers were over). We chanted various chants and shouts and we got good press coverage. There were about 35 of us at the peak. The Hillary delegates who walked through this gate were so happy to see us! Many came over waving their buttons and badges to let us know they had voted for Hillary. They thanked us for being there…it was very rewarding and we showed our appreciation for them by shouting and hooting and applauding them. (We saw Marc from Charlotte and he took my picture).
It was very hot: the back of my legs got sunburned. Afterwards several of us went to eat and have a beer and watch the “pretend” roll call. Clearly a backroom deal. As one person said, “that’s ok Hillary, we’ll take it from here.” As I left the restaurant, I gave my two Hillary rally signs to others in the restaurant. One said her mother would be so happy and the other young woman was really excited to get one. (I have more at home).
Interestingly, the first couple of days in Denver you couldn’t find a Hillary button anywhere and the vendors realized they were losing money; by yesterday you could find buttons, shirts, and hats in various locations. People were asking me for buttons and signs!!
It’s been very upsetting to be called a racist by those who support Obama. They were all black men including the man from the Sudan who drove me from the Dollar Rental to the airport. I told him he was the racist; he didn’t know what to say to that. None of them have any idea what Obama’s experience is or anything he has done. It’s all about race. Very sad.
Although the outcome was not what we had hoped, we definitely have our work cut out for us if we want to reform the DNC, affect the media, educate the public, and continue to reachout to Hillary’s supporters other than those on the internet.
see you soon,
Kathy
what good would do if everyone spent time and effort calling, emailing, faxing (???) ohio secretary of state because they are misinformed?
do the research, then take action. otherwise you lose credibility.
Voter Fraud If you’ll provide a short email, I’ll be happy to send out a personal prowl to stop this and just sign it with my own name or whatever. Just give me the list of states again that will not require IDs and doing same day elections.
We have a deadline for registrations in Texas, but guess I need to check to see if DNC has changed anything.
I do a lot more reading and I join in on all the peitions, emails and letter writings to officials etc. but don’t blog often. In this case I felt the need to share that our local nbc station called me because I write so many letters to our editor and local officials about the cheating and unbalanced way our election system is going this year. He wanted to know if anything the Clintons said changed my mind or made me feel better about Obama. I told him in fact it only increased my determination to see to it that this man fails in November and does not darken the doors of our treasured Oval Office and the democratic party looses it’s majority. We need to clean house and take our government back and we need to start with “IN GOD WE TRUST” which we have an email circulating to ask people to write it on all envelopes they mail to send the message we are taking back our country.
He said “okay” I’m glad I called and good luck!
Hope you all have a great day and keep up the good work.
Fellow puma jrc
#147 SLYT….. THIS IS WHAT I WROTE 3 WEEKS AGO ON THAT VIDEO (I AM BARBSADOLL10 ON YOUTUBE)
barbsadoll10 (3 weeks ago) Show Hide Marked as spam Reply | Spam All this sexism and misogyny… I will remember in November… Obama will not be voted for by this woman. I don’t watch MSNBC, CNN (Cafferty and Wolfe Blitzer, and esp. Donna Brazile (the traitor)), and much of the MSM.
barbsadoll10 (1 month ago) Show Hide Marked as spam Reply | Spam I want to say that as a woman I will never forget the fools and terribly awful people saying these things about all women… not just Hillary… it’s against any strong woman who would dare to challenge the status quo. I am so tired of this and it’s time to take our Country back and once again be the United States of America.
GUSTAV That is really one big cell they’re showing on the news. My prayers are with those who may be affected by this one also.
For those who want to donate to McCain I believe you have to do it BY AUGUST 31st. After that you will NOT be able to.
Can someone confirm this??
Hey, I find myself agreeing with B0bot at WaPo:
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/kill-the-puma-or-salute-president-mccain/
233 KENDALBLUE on 08.28.08 at 1:28 pm
Thank you for the update and thanks for posting it in a way that’s easy to find!!!
233 KENDALBLUE on 08.28.08 at 1:28 pm
Thank you for the update and thanks for posting it in a way that’s easy to find!!!
233 KENDALBLUE on 08.28.08 at 1:28 pm
Thank you for the update and thanks for posting it in a way that’s easy to find!!!
233 KENDALBLUE on 08.28.08 at 1:28 pm
Thank you for the update and thanks for posting it in a way that’s easy to find!!!
I am loving the fact that BO’s stage was built by the person who builds Britney Spears. You can’t make this stuff up – this is the gift that keeps on giving.
whoops! sorry
Maybe at the Republican Convention they should have a thousand democrats/delegates line up and one by one go to the mike proclaiming their vote for McCain.
I am not willing to go that far, but I am sure there are people out there that would do it.
I don’t know if this has already been posted, but – WE ARE NOT ALONE!!! http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Conventions/story?id=5676191&page=1
I still don’t know how I am going to vote in November. I know that I will spend a lot more time looking at McCain. I do know that I prefer his economic policies, especially in light of our nation’s current economic instability. I read a post yesterday by someone who was told by their sister, a CPA, that McCain’s economic platform is better than BO’s. I too am a CPA and have told many people this as well.
I’m still a PUMA in mourning.
Murphy, MamaPuma, MarylandPuma, thank you all so much for all you’ve done for those of us who were so disheartened and had no where else to turn. I have found these blogs to be a comforting place to speak my mind and take action against an appalling primary process.
Middle age female: I cannot believe his campaign is allowing the this media circus in regard to his temple.
I swear the more I see of this guy the more afraid I become. He has made a mockery of the presidency IMO and it annoys the hell out of me. This isn’t American Idol! Grrrrrrr.
i was undecided about who i was going to vote for until i found out who build obama’s stage. i bet obama selected them personally. thanks for the info.
#225 4Hillary on 08.28.08 at 1:23 pm bmw60 you should read #212. there is no law that requires a photo (yet).
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Respectfully, is my point is …. there should be….
I live in Texas and work for a State Agency that works during disasters with the state emergency disaster group. I can tell you that we have been on alert since yesterday for Gustav and that Texas believes this will turn into one nasty hurricane. We have been instructed to treat it like Katrina. I do not say this to panic anyone, just please pay attention to your news and get your family disaster plan and gear together.
#217 bmw60 I hope the info you posted was accurate as I hope I didn’t make a fool of myself by sending this to all the media and that OH would not require picture ID’s for voter cards.
(((((((((((((((living grace))))))))))))))))))))
hope you are feeling better today. sent you an email last night..
#183 bmw60 did you check into this also I don’t know much about the person who original posted this (#100 Larry rules) I don’t want to send out a bunch of emails if this proves not to be true. So has anyone from Ohio or you bmw60 check this and been told this is true.
250 4Hillary – who built it?
#254 KENDALBLUE how come I don’t get a big welcome, I am so not going on a road trip with you (rachael, Dick)lol
#253 ladyhawkke that’s what I was just saying if no one checked this out I will do it before I send out a bunch of emails and it ends up not being true.
252 nativegirl – I live S.E. of San Antonio and I’ve heard that Gustav could come into the Gulf – I knew LA was preparing for it, but I haven’t gone to look at my tracker later. Thanks for the info!!
My thoughts and prayers are with everyone in the Gulf Coast.
McCain doesn’t want another war, thats scare tactics used by the Dems. What Mccain does want is to let any our enemies no that any threat , or attack on America will NOT go unanswered. He wants our allies to know that we will not abandon them, so he has to talk tough to send out a strong message.
Health Care he wants health care reform where the government wont control what treatment or doctor you can have. He wants you to have affordable health care that’s not government control giving you NO control
It’s our duty to learn the facts and not repeat the scare tactics
**** 255….. I called the number posted ON #100 lARRY RULES)
Like many others I am disappointed and surprised that President Jimmy Carter supported BO. I am going to write him a personal letter asking him to explain to me his reasons for doing so. He truly does read all of his mail and will personally respond. I have written him twice before and he answered me.
IT IS TRUE
CALL THE NUMBER … I TALKED WITH A MAN NAMED TERRY IN THAT OFFICE…
just saw an ap piece saying that obama MUST win PA in order to win the GE. seems like swing states will be one area for us to focus our efforts, no?
#261 bmw60 ok that’s all I wanted to know I know you I don’t know Larry Rules if you checked it out and it was corrected then I will contact the media on this.
I cannot wait,
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/28/mccain-plans-exciting-campaign-ad-thursday-night/
LivingGrace,
I disagree. I hope McCain doesn’t do this. If McCain annouces before Friday, he’ll be sharply criticized by the drive-by media and the Obama camp. It will only produce a negative for him.
#215 LivingGrace on 08.28.08 at 1:17 pm
This afternoon would be a GREAT time for McCain to announce his VP~~it would still MSM attention from Obama’s thunder and speech tonight!!
Might be dirty pool, but what hasn’t been so far.
blondlady – no big surprise re: carter as far as i’m concerned. for starters, he’s an anti-semite, so that tells you something right there. just my opinion.
Georgiapuma is moving to another site as of today, I think people should be able to say who they will be assisting. I think that is what the Democratic party just did to all of us, stifle and let us tell you what to do. No thanks, Thank you and good luck with your endeavors.
GREAT… slyt2…….. i am sorry for the caps earlier… didn’t even notice…LOL
I contacted Lou Dobbs right after that call……. sent him the EMAIL I Posted above
This is what some of the Obamabots are saying about PUMA ~
P.U.M.A = PEOPLE UNDER MCCAIN’S AUTHORITY
Equal Pay
McCain, Clinton Pay Women Better than Obama
Both McCain and Clinton also employed more female than male staffers, while Obama employed more males than females. However, Obama’s staff was more balanced between male and female staffers than either McCain’s or Clinton’s
Also, McCain and Clinton had more female than male staffers making six-figure salaries, while Obama had more male than female staffers making six-figure salaries
http://www.crosswalk.com/news/11574535/
I am so proud and grateful to everyone here, every single one here that did so much with so much passion in the last couple of months – whatever your motivation, I know it was all for the good, not for our own selfish selves but for the betterment of our country. We have reached for the moon and while we did not pluck it from the sky, we have gathered a lot of stars along the way.
I hope that when the dust and emotion settles, everyone will return to PUMA to make sure that the DNC does not once again commit wrong against our country. Whether it is Obama or McCain, we need to know that our votes cast is counted as such with no thievery and fraud.
I need to know that my vote cast will not be cheated against my will. I need to know that Chicago politics will not prevail. As Hillary says, this is not about us, or about her… it is about our country. No matter how you spin it, we lost the Best Democratic nominee. We must not lose the Presidency to the worst Democratic nominee.
Obama speaking from his elaborate, podium rising, Greek columned, Hollywood movie set in a 75,000 seat stadium and sending the message that John McCain is ‘out of touch’.
258 1gypsy4mc – anytime… just trying to keep our PUMA’s safe!!! I will be on another conference call at 4:30p.m. Central time, so I post an update later today.
i fail to see the point to encourage people here to call the secretary of state to complain about a law that does not exist in their state. but if it makes you feel better then go for it.
a better approach might involve contacting the legislature since they make the laws. but that’s just my opinion.
oh yes, make sure you mention puma to make everyone here look silly.
what is everyones problem here….. i am moving to another site….. i am offended…. sheesh ..
get a grip everyone… why are you so concerned about the “unimportant” stuff on this blog….
Ignore it and stick with the program here….. We all still have freedom of speech… sheesh..
Are we just going to leave the USA because we don’t like what is going on r ight now? Or are we going to stick here and change things?
PLEASE don’t leave GEorgiaPUMA … you are needed in this fight!!!
((((((((((((((257 slyt2)))))))))))))))))))))
I have no idea what you are talking about..lol
but a big HUGE hug for you darlin…
What a disgusting Democratic convention……so disappointed in the CLINTON’S. They should have stayed home!
Thanks PUMAs for a great presence in this discouraging time.
256 1gypsy4mc on 08.28.08 at 1:40 pm 250 4Hillary – who built it?
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The same people that builds the stages for Britney Spears. This is the gift that keeps on giving.
#267 Beca4Hillary if you watch it you have will to come here and tell me how it was I will not be watching the chosen one make his speech i will be watching my Redskins play football tonite.
254 KENDALBLUE~~~((((((((((((((Blue))))))))))))) Yes, I got ur email and was really glad to hear from you. I will answer it later on today. I’m still not feeling so good and kinda going back and forth from bed to computer. Love ya, tho!
276 nativegirl
Thank you and keep me posted…..very kind of you to reply.
If you feel ill this will cheers you up!
That is, by far, the funniest video I’ve seen
The Chronicles Of The Obamessiah, Volume I: The Adulteress
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8cNtH1mULo
and this is hillarious as well
The Chronicles Of The Obamessiah, Volume II: In The Temple
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ted9Hzn8foY
250 4Hillary on 08.28.08 at 1:36 pm
i was undecided about who i was going to vote for until i found out who build obama’s stage. i bet obama selected them personally. thanks for the info.
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I have read everyone of your posts starting yesterday,the problem for me with your postings is they don’t offer anything to aid any cause.
You state you are not for either candidate, fine.
You state information should be provided to you to assist in you making a decide to vote.
You state Obama is the the anti christ.
You state McCain is pro life.
You state your ignorance about Joe Biden, who is he, I don’t know much about him.
Links were provided to you and you stated I need more credible sources.
And on and on this crap goes from you.
Do your OWN research and come back and share with the rest of us, Otherwise please stfu
That is what we have all done, NOTE the links and youtube videos provided.
The sarcasm is not lost on me either. Post #250 and #277.
#270 GeorgiaPuma on 08.28.08 at 1:48 pm
GeorgiaPuma, Please don’t go. Emotions are high so don’t take everything to heart. I’m not sure what happened because I’m new here, but I’m sure your efforts are needed so please don’t go.
Hugs.
I think you all will like this article from Glen Beck at CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/27/beck.conventions/index.html
#270 GeorgiaPuma
I have been at this blog for along time… silent but here.. you have been here a long time, working hard for a goal. Don’t go… stay and work with your friends.
GEORGIA PUMA….don’t leave…look at my posts I clearly speak my mind and I’m not going anywhere!!
#279 ((((((((((((KENDALBLUE)))))))))))))) thank you, oh i said that because when we talked about Rachael Meadows that day , it was mentioned about “i would love to run into her” then we talked about Dick Morris and you said your brother see’s him a lot in NYC and made another comment about “running into him too”. just trying to be funny guess it wasn’t…lol
#270 GeorgiaPuma Please dont go! I am confused and to what we can’t say or do. Are we being gagged?
Thank you all guys that were in Denver. Thank you for what you did. It was great.
I am proud to be a very modest part of this group. Proud of the way you represented all of us. Thank you.
Looks like Pennsylvania can be one of our main PUMA targets – Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080828/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_biden
It’s official
From: Joe Biden (democraticparty@democrats.org)
Sent:Thu 8/28/08 12:47 PM
Reply-to:democraticparty@democrats.org
To: jody in florida (********@hotmail.com)
J. –
Yesterday, Barack Obama was officially nominated as the Democratic candidate for president of the United States.
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It’s official
From: jody in florida (*********@hotmail.com)
Sent:Thu 8/28/08 12:48 PM
Reply-to:*********@hotmail.com
To: democraticparty@democrats.org
Joe Biden
You may now officially kiss my furry PUMA ….
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It’s a darned good thing that hotmail has a “safe draft” option….
well how about if i say barack obama likes to eat gyros. will that help?
everything that you post about me is called sarcasm and is a result of me trying to have a real discussion and then getting attacked and called a troll.
i think you left out 95% of my messages. that is a typical tactic that many folks here oppose when it is done by the other side yet they use it to serve their own needs.
#272 Mick
That’s a good one
It made me laugh for the first time in 48 hours.
4Hillary – Wow, what a surprise. You’ve posted many posts that seem to be wanting credible info to use in order to make informed decisions and/or take action. Then you post that finding out on this blog (again, not necessarily a credible source, per some of your prior posts about how to tease apart fact from fiction) that the news of who’s building is all you needed to hear to decide. I don’t know what I’m missing here, but now I’m totally confused.
Forbes has a wonderful video on their website praising Hillary. (Ignore the b. s. from Emily’s list…but there is a reference, I think, to PUMA’s/Hillary’s followers).
We are being heard!
PUMA!!!
http://www.forbes.com/video/?video=fvn/women08/os_hillary082708
#262 Blond Lady
Would you please give me the address you use for Jimmy Carter. I would like to write to him (respectfully) also.
Thanks
Hey everyone!
I’m stuck at the Denver Airport – my flight is delayed two hours. GRRRRR.
Whats’s shakin?
#278 bmw60 I don’t know either I asked earlier what happened with this
151 prowlland on 08.28.08 at 12:28 pm
Im sending an email to Murphy… its up to her if I come back or not…. love ya all… bye for now.
But I never did , don’t know what happened with GEORGIA PUMA to upset this person either, I guess i’m out of it today…lol
286 roxy4hill2 ~~~ Please!!! Attacks like that are just not becoming on this blog. It defeats our purpose.
A life of power and joy and satisfaction is built on love and service. People who hate or are selfish are going against the law of their own being, cutting themselves off from the creator and other people.
We need to be uplifting and encouraging with one another. Little acts of love and encouragement, of service and help, erase the the roughness and help us all create a more pleasant reality.
291 slyt2…………….. lol….okay, got it. I am still half asleep..didn’t get much last night. But My brother called me last night to egg me on like he always does. He like to laugh at my anger. that little bugger !! he is a political science major, and has always been a die hard Republican.And he is gay……go figure !! lol he loves to get me stirred up. I told him what I said about Rachael and Dick, and how just howled ….. hahaha
He assures me that BO will never get elected. guess we will see
296 4Hillary on 08.28.08 at 2:05 pm
well how about if i say barack obama likes to eat gyros. will that help?
everything that you post about me is called sarcasm and is a result of me trying to have a real discussion and then getting attacked and called a troll.
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My last word on this.
I never called you a troll, I was simply asking you to be an ASSEST not a distraction.
i think you left out 95% of my messages. that is a typical tactic that many folks here oppose when it is done by the other side yet they use it to serve their own needs.
sorry……………HE HOWLED..NOT HOW
My Hubby just sent me this from Politico:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12900.html
TNhillaryvoter – sorry, meant to reply to your post but quadruple-tasking here! thank you so much for offering to help with my research. i’ve noted your blog name and will definitely give a shout out to you when needed. right now, since i don’t know where my project is headed (if anywhere) it’s hard for me to rationalize asking for others to volunteer their time, especially since this is not my blog and murphy will undoubtedly have needs that will be made known soon enough. i’m researching issues to 1) create credible back up for assusations we’ve made regarding the dnc, 2) perhaps become an op-ed piece, though what i’ve got so far is definitely too long for that as it currently stands, 3) submit to the media as a kind of a packet inviting them to further investigate (though this may be quite naive on my part), 4) create a foundation and begin a creative process that may lead to other manifestations that i can’t yet anticipate.
#77 Rodham in Flag
Please e-mail me at
prowlmcr@gmail.com
That fake roll call was just to embarrass Hillary one more time. She knew everything was already fixed to nominate BO.
I can understand now why Senator Feinstein from CA decide not to go to Denver, maybe she didn’t want to be part of this charade.
The fact that the states with the larger number of delegates didn’t vote is a clear proof of the fraud, since those states were for Hillary.
I’ve seen a plea above to start watching the hurricane news and getting ready for the worst. PUMAs who are in the south along the gulf coast, please heed the warning. Do what the emergency people tell you to do. Never mind about Obama or McCain. If they had true caring for people, they’d suspend their campaigns, conventions, and what-ever and get down to the gulf coast to help. Imagine what their campaigns could do just helping people instead of spending millions of dollars on advertising and convention stages………
#222 flowerchild I don’t see why Judas would be complaining, I love it. I’m appalled that Hillary was campaigning with him, he is in danger of losing his seat. I also heard something about her campaign debt and that would be the only reason she was with the devil.
Anna7000
How beautiful your are. So positive and staying the course. Kudos to you.
307 doria
Joe Scarborough was our former Congressman over here in Florida. I thought something was up because he was acting differently this morning. I wonder if someone is about to lose their job…
Found another one… sheesh…… they just are soooo funny…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dv2iRxopt0&feature=user
We may not have won the nomination for Hillary at the convention, but PUMAs did get the word out to the media. The blog Heroes for Hillary has a list of all the media reports on PUMAs in Denver. It’s a huge list! Here’s a link to it:
http://tinyurl.com/6m7etx
308 Anna7000~~~ I have done a fair amount of research in the past. Although I no longer have access to peer review level information, I can still help with anything you might need assistance with, so please don’t hesitate to ask me.
PS Wont Obamessiah be upset if Gustav steals his thunder!!!
#306 KENDALBLUE that’s ok I knew what you meant, my brother and his wife are repubs even though he was raised in a very democrat family. Anyways I love it cuz he lives in North Carolina and sends me emails all the time about BO and none of it’s good cuz he knows I liked Hillary and knows how I feel about BO.
TOPIC: DENVER
Hi aloha, halligan, Flasunshiner, All,
At the airport w/anti & goanderson. All on different flights & just dropping a quick note.
Eyes red from crying & slept maybe 3 hrs. Was awoken right after I fell asleep to FOX news playing “OBAMA National Anthem” – wtf??
Anyway, i won’t go there. I’m hanging tough.
“Lick your wounds & sharpen your claws, PUMA’s.”
Very happy about all of the increased exposure. Even happy to hear the rumor that Bill Clinton met w/Rush Limbaugh. Wondering why but I guess we’ll know soon enough.
Like I told you last week, everything on Rush’s website is the same material we already know about Obama.
Is this still our country? You’re damn right!
“Tell me what Democracy looks like?”
“THIS is what Democracy looks like!”
GTG – love you all – me.
Thank you Living Grace. You got stuff saved as media links or word docs, or what? Added your name to my list of possible future helpers.
And thank you halligan. Right back at you!
#301 Maryland Puma
What’s shaking? There’s been 17 earthquakes at the north end of Vancouver Island in the last few days.
Happy Hours in Denver!
http://www.againstobama.com/2008/08/angry-clinton-supporters-toast-mccain-roast-obama/
#113 Anna7000:
I am the same way. I voted for Hillary because of who she is (her character) and because of her stand on the issues. I never saw it as an either/or decision.
I take my voting privilege very seriously. I feel so sad about the 2 candidates we have left to choose from – neither of them are her, nor are they even close.
#172 zephyr:
I needed a good laugh – thanks!
#99 jody in florida
Great to hear.
I’ll forward this info to Attorney jbjd
Yeah, Hillstheone! Go PUMAs. Red eyes are just fine (human eyes that is). Get on those planes and get home. This site needs you all. We miss you.
320 Anna7000~~~ Yes, I have saved some things since joining PUMA the day after it began. What I don’t have, I am capable of finding. There are alot of things I wanted to save but didn’t because of the capacity remaining on my computer. Basically, though, it was some time after we started that I realized the benefits of saving material.
319 hillstheone
Great to hear from you !!!
I am sharpened up and ready to pounce !
321 halligan ~~~~ OMG, no wonder I’m not sleeping well and have been feeling ill. I live in Bellingham, WA, only 40 miles, as the seagull flies, from Vancouver!!!! And I haven’t felt a thing. But it is still part of the vision I had 33 years ago.
http://www.cafepress.com/nobarackobama.293751860
60 lotts1948
i addressed texas election code law yesterday. the deadline has not passed.
in a nutshell – they have up until 70 days prior to the election to get their name to the secreaery of state.
http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/EL/content/htm/el.011.00.000192.00.htm#192.031.00
oh my, my, my manners!!! good afternoon everyone. puma greetings.
Open and read the bumper sticker…
http://www.cafepress.com/nobarackobama.293751860
jenni, please hunker down, take cover and STAY SAFE!!! We love you!!
Anna7000
I sincerely hope that you would consider taking on a more prominent role in the PumaPAC . I truly admire your skills and logical thinking ability.
331 Beca4Hillary
#324 mcr on 08.28.08 at 2:19 pm
re: ballot project
I have sent out a couple of emails and am waiting. I set up a new email address: myname (no spaces), add puma at gee male
#324 mcr on 08.28.08 at 2:19 pm
re: ballot project
I have sent out a couple of emails and am waiting. I set up a new email address: myname (no spaces), add puma at gee male
(darned double posts)
3000 lawyers needed to stop voter fraud. The hens watching the hen houses
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/2004-10-28-florida-lawyers_x.htm
roxy4hill2
you did not call me a troll. but all of my posts that you just took out of context were responses to me being called a troll among other things.
the blog goals state “We strive to provide and foster sane political analysis and honest debate.” where is it?
more often than not when people here ask questions or try to get the facts out they are called names, etc.
lately i have prefaced much of my comments asking people not to attack me. that should not be required.
this group seems to be best at preaching to the choir. i was hoping it would be more than that.
i came here looking for some perspective. i want to be on board but honestly most of what i am reading here lacks substance.
you may think that is not important but think about it. if the people here cannot strike accord with people like me that want to be on board, what are the chances of them getting support form people that are not as closely aligned?
now if this group already has all the support they need then this is not a problem. but based on what i have seen here over the past 3 days i don’t think the numbers are there, yet.
go back and read the posts here and see how much of it can really be used to further a cause.
the signal to noise ratio here pretty bad. forgive me for making it worse when my frustration got the best of me.
334 Flasunshiner,
I wish I can put it my car…..
HEY LUCY………..I’m ALMOST home!
LOL
Hi everyone,
I did not think I would have the heart to blog today but I am a Puma. We may have lost a battle but we have not lost the war. It is time to regroup,assess our damages and lick our wounds and then come out swinging.
Does any one know who reported on the blog last night that Ohio just passed an emergency bill to allow people to register and vote the same day,and without real proof of citizenship or legal residency,
They are going after the weakest vote,the youth of America. So my question is what is there weakest link? We find it and push hard to get the truth out where it is needed most.I live in Tn ,a predominately republican state,obviously McCain will take care of Tn.
Those living in Ohio need to get informed,know what your talking about,get the facts,get flyers,sign up young people and hit the malls and movie theaters and the colleges exspecially on the days they have decided to use this reg and vote plan.
When you are in a war you look for the weakest link,lets find theirs. They will be fighting hardest in the swing states,what we need is researchers,letter writers,tv people,organizers,money,and hope ,faith,and belief in us.
WE ARE PUMAS,AND WERE NOT READY TO MAKE NICE,WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED! PUMAS ROAR……….
My hubby is not good with confrontation…hates listening to me rant at the TV morons! He can not get his head around voting for McCain……..I understand that. I am waiting to see who his VP is as Romaney (he roamed outside of MA when GOV, trying to get his run for prez) is a deal breaker for me. He also acted as if his Lt gov (a woman) was his personal servant! I now wish I had voted for Healy but republicans are not my cup of tea!
I can stomach McCain only b/c he is a moderate most of the time.
236 jrc on 08.28.08 at 1:30 pm:
He wanted to know if anything the Clintons said changed my mind or made me feel better about Obama. I told him in fact it only increased my determination to see to it that this man fails in November and does not darken the doors of our treasured Oval Office and the democratic party looses it’s majority. We need to clean house and take our government back and we need to start with “IN GOD WE TRUST” which we have an email circulating to ask people to write it on all envelopes they mail to send the message we are taking back our country…..
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Amen!
I have been here since the beginning and will continue to do all I can 1000% to keep #61 OUT of our whitehouse.
Living Grace–I am doing just fine. I am a fighter from WAY BACK. Tears are almost gone and I am ready to PROWL…..
Revenge is sweet, almost as sweet as victory.
And the walls came tumbling down….’cause PUMA pushed them!!
Oh, and to anyone who said we preach to the choir I sent over 10,000 emails and faxes this year based on research to THE ENEMY, THE MEDIA, and others.
Murphy and others speak out and ACT up to CHANGE, we don’t hang around here to listen to ourselves speak even though SOMETIMES we need catharsis.
I have noticed some ‘tude here that needs to be replaced with SUPPORT and action…just my opinion.
GO PUMA POWER!!
Thank you Northern Neighbor. Very kind of you to write that post.
Another Puma posted the suggestion yesterday of not giving your vote away for free to McCain. Although I
just cant do that (my state allows me to write Hillary in or I can stay home – and I’ve decided NOT to vote the dem downline. If we’re gonna screw them as they’ve screwed us – go all the way. But I gave the other PUMA poster’s idea some thought, so here it is:
DONT GIVE YOUR VOTE AWAY TO MC CAIN FOR FREE !!
MAKE HIM WORK FOR IT.
DEMAND HE PUT IN HIS PLATFORM THE ISSUES WE ARE INTERESTED IN IF HE WANT HILLARY’S VOTERS:
1) HER HEALTHCARE PLAN
2) HER EDUCATION PLAN
3) TAX RELIEF FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS, CLOSING LOOP HOLES FOR THE SUPER RICH WHO PAY NO TAXES. (unfortunately that’s what the republican party is built on – doing away with taxes for the rich, and having the middle class carry the burdern)
4) STOP THE OUTSOURCING OF JOBS, AND CREATE JOBS AND MANUFACTURING IN THE USA
5) NO TAX BREAKS FOR OIL COMPANIES AND OFFSHORE COMPANIES
6) REVAMP THE FDA , PROTECT THE AMERICAN CONSUMER FROM POISONOUS PRODUCTS, ORIGIN LABELING ENFORCED!
7) PROTECT OUR BORDERS-STOP THE ILLEGAL UNFLUX
TURN IRAQ OVER TO IRAQ, LEAVE AS THEY HAVE REQUESTED, BRING OUR KIDS HOME.
WITHIN THE YEAR
9) EQUAL PAY FOR WOMEN AND MEN
10) RE-INSTITUTE ANTI-MONOPOLY LAWS WHETHER MEDIA, COMMUNICATIONS, ALL INDUSTRIES
Add on to this what you think is important, something we could eventually present to McCain as a petition: “We will vote for you IF………………”
PLEASE FORGET ABOUT ADDING ON ABOUT ABORTION RIGHTS – CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS HAS SAID THE ROE VS WADE MATTER HAS ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED AND SET PRECEDENT, HE IS NOT GOING TO REVIEW IT AGAIN – SO DONT LET ANYONE USE THAT OLD SAW ON US.
http://art-of-politics.blogspot.com
seems to me to be an important discussion on how we are manipulated into voting the wrong way. It might help explain some of the problems. It looks very well written and good reading for many of us.
If anyone looks into this please let us know what you think.
Hillary in Elevator Mishap*
August 28, 2008 12:44 AM
DENVER, Colo. — Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., was already not having the Democratic National Convention that she’d been hoping for, her and her husband’s well-received speeches notwithstanding.
Then it got worse.
After Wednesday night’s festivities ended, there was a minor elevator mishap at the Pepsi Center that involved Clinton, sources tell ABC News.
Apparently, the elevator got stuck between floors, stranding Sen. Clinton and others for several minutes. For about five minutes inside the elevator it was “hectic” and not a little claustrophobic — the elevator was over-packed, which is why it stopped, a source says. The doors needed to be pushed open and some of those in the elevator — a couple Secret Service agents — needed to be lifted and squeezed out in order for it to start moving again.
Clinton was seen leaving the scene looking a tad shell-shocked, but an aide says, “She’s fine.”
- jpt
* This post has been updated. Originally, per a witness report, it reported that Clinton herself had to squeezed out of the elevator between floors, but a Clinton spokesperson says that isn’t true.
I CAN’T STAND THE ARGUING! Get a life if you have nothing better to do than call each other names. No wonder so many people left. I already gave you a project this morning that would not need Murphy’s approval. Write in your own words to Pres Carter and ask him where he was when all the fraud was going on and also the sham roll call vote. See my post above for Carter’s fax and use the talking points in my letter, don’t copy them verbatim.
Murphy has already said to stop this!
#340 4Hillary,
You would do better to start out with an apology for the sarcasm in your 277. Frankly, I have not seen anyone attack you – rather, you have been sniping to engage and get attacked.
There are plenty of facts and data out there supporting what we are saying, but those of us who have been together on this blog since June 3 don’t have anything to prove to one another. By all means, we want to encourage others to get involved and get interested.
Some of us on the blog have given you links. As I did and continue to do, I explore further from whatever link I am given. We’ll get you started, but as was said in law school, we don’t get spoonfed.
This blog is not a dissertation or a position paper – it’s a community blog.
Wouldn’t it be a “kick” is O got stuck in an elevator at Invesco prior to his “grand” messiah entrance??????
Just spoke to my brother who spent last night out with a Hillary delegate who is a friend of his. This person said
the whole voting yesterday was a sham. Will get back on this afternoon.
#352 AMEN……
347 jenniforhillary~~~ I’m glad you are safe. You ARE most definitely a true warrior and an asset to PUMA!!!
#347 Kelligesq Excellent. Another excellent PROWL We can fax and/or e-mail McCain. Kelligesq is right, we shouldn’t just give him our votes for free.
#354 halligan on 08.28.08 at 2:43 pm
Wouldn’t it be a “kick” is O got stuck in an elevator at Invesco prior to his “grand” messiah entrance??????
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Better yet, the teleprompter getting stuck. Imagine, “Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh” LOL
#352 ladyhawkke on 08.28.08 at 2:42 pm I CAN’T STAND THE ARGUING! Get a life if you have nothing better to do than call each other names. No wonder so many people left. I already gave you a project this morning that would not need Murphy’s approval. Write in your own words to Pres Carter and ask him where he was when all the fraud was going on and also the sham roll call vote. See my post above for Carter’s fax and use the talking points in my letter, don’t copy them verbatim.
Murphy has already said to stop this!
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Well said!!!!!!
kelligesq – i agree. i see no reason to hand mc cain a vote on a silver platter. he needs us. any pumas who know now they want to vote for him, at the very least, or donate or volunteer as well, can use this as a focal point to organize around. see if a meeting can be set up with mc cain’s campaign and talk issues. perhaps zero in on a couple that feel most central, since he surely isn’t about to change his platform in any dramatic ways.
#342 Maryland, Get home please, soon, right now, pretty quick, on the spot, whenever!
ladyhawke I have already volunteered to help any way I could, but haven’t gotten any responses as of yet. I think this is really important, because this time we won’t let it happen again – we have the time to stop more Voter Fraud. I do live in TX, but that shouldn’t matter when it comes to this issue.
Thanks for reminding us that we can be busy!!
Hey, Maryland PUMA! Can’t wait to get you back.
#352 ladyhawkke on 08.28.08 at 2:42 pm
See my post above for Carter’s fax and use the talking points in my letter, don’t copy them verbatim.
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Agree completely. How far up is the post, and do you have an email address? (don’t have a fax)
Even better Hilligan, pray for a teleprompter crash.
A girl can dream, right! LOL
#354 halligan on 08.28.08 at 2:43 pm Wouldn’t it be a “kick” is O got stuck in an elevator at Invesco prior to his “grand” messiah entrance??????
I knew before noon, that we would not prevail. When they forced the in room vote, effectively eliminating a floor fight, I resigned myself to the reality of the situation.
I am struck by the ingrained responses of the Clintons. They, not Obama, were the stars of the show. Without them and their supporters, he cannot win. They made their point very effectively. Now, we need to help them make it at the ballot box.
I am over the democratic party. I don’t like the Rs either. I am beyond disillusioned: I am determined.
I have thought about all of this for a while, and have concluded that if Hillary had run as an independent, she may have won. But any movement that is JUST about her is bound to fail. It has to be based on principle, not persons. We need to find and recruit good people to build a better country. We need to create the fertile soil that will nurture good candidates like Evan Byah and Hillary Clinton because they BELIEVE in what we believe. We need to provide a positive framework so they can come to us.
If we succeed, we will change our country for the better long term. If we don’t, our nation will continue its slide into oblivion.
353 Dragonfly ~~~ Thank you. BTW, my personal totem is the Dragonfly.
Sorry, kelliequ, the post was #249
#365 1gypsy4mc on 08.28.08 at 2:47 pm
You know what….we all can send a letter to Jimmy Carter or fax him or email him. I’m editing my letter, I’ll send it to him tomorrow, overnight mail. I have heaps to tell him and some won’t be nice but I have to be true to myself.
#361 Jodi
I spit my cheerios out over that one
My Two Cents…..
I read murphys position on protesting the election and have read The Mission of PUMA Pac as published on the blog. We need to be very careful how we communicate about what we are doing. As murphy said, we are protesting the election because we want our votes to count, Per the PUMA Mission. (This is very short version, so if I missed something forgive me.)
So when posting, keep this in mind that we are not a pro-McCain group eben though many us will vote for him. We are a pro-voter group. What we end of up doing will go far beyond this election.
IMHO
#368 Mick
I spit my second mouthful of cheerios out over your ditto of Jodi
373 halligan on 08.28.08 at 2:50 pm
I spit my cheerios out over that one
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HELP WANTED (not too much experience needed – and no, no, no, i’m not talking about being a presidential nominee!!!)
I need credible information about prior conventions in the recent past (like, in our lifetimes) in terms of which candidates names were placed in nomination, whether it was automatic or wheter it involved negotiations of any kind, along with whether their was an accurate roll call vote, at least on the first ballot.
reminder! reminder! reminder!
I cannot promise where any of what I’m working on will lead, so if you invest time on this, that is your decision, but no guarantees it will amount to anything of any real meaning in the end.
If you’ve got something at your fingertips that’s easy to share, great, please post. If you love research and know that my looking this stuff up you could be spending time helping someone who has told you she has no idea where any of this will lead, enter at your own risk!
I don’t want to post my e-mail on the blog, so all communications will have to be shared here, via links, etc. And, please don’t share your e-mail either. Just don’t think it’s a good idea to open yourself up to having anyone lift it and then send you obnoxious messages.
Diva, Are you home?
jody–MY PRAYERS would be answered with a THUNDERSTORM to end all thunderstorms, some WELL DIRECTED HAIL, and, of course, the parting of the red seas and GOD himself announcing Hillary WON!!
I don’t think I’m asking to much, do you????
Diva
Are you home?
Diva
Are you home? I just want to make sure you see this quesiton so three times takes up more space.
ctkey– absolutely right!
375 halligan~~~ I dont eat cheerios~~~but I just had to wipe green tea off my monitor~~~ A frequent occurence when I’m on this blog!!!
#370 Living Grace – you are welcome.
#193 freddiebrown – you have mail
355 diva2 – I hope and pray that some of the delegates will get brave enough to stand up for their rights, and tell what really happened.
Living Grace,
I leave too many rings on the desk so I’ve quit the tea thing around the computer.
P.S. Re: my # 377 post:
Sorry for typos galore! Geez!
I’m specifically interested in info about the losing candidates, ie Kennedy, Jackson, etc.
FYI- No need to reference related info that’s been posted on the POC PUMA web site. It is not entirely accurate.
Thanks!
#383 LivingGrace on 08.28.08 at 2:54 pm
just had to wipe green tea off my monitor~~~ A frequent occurence when I’m on this blog!!!
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just trying to lighten things up a bit while we’re waiting for a bit more direction from the 3Ms
340 4Hillary
As I see it, we are a grassroots movement. As such we need to provide the space for people who have not been engaged in politics to have a voice.
There is presentation and then there is heart.
Yes. We need to raise the bar to be sure our messages are based on credible facts and present ourselves in a credible manner.
t’s important to provide a place for everyday people to air their saddness and frustration! People are angry! They may not be political operatives or professionals in their daily lives (although many of us are) we still have a voice and be still have the right to engage in dialogue.
The thing I don’t want to see here is for a few people to become the “appropriate police” and quash the voices of people who are stepping outside of their comfort zones just to post.
We are grassroots, we are a bit scattered, but we have been massively effective in our three months of existence.
So let’s be gentle with each other while we go through the growth curve. If we stop being inclusive we become what we are protesting.
Living Grace – Your monitor sounds like a sight!
#367 Jodi
I have a fax but don’t know how to use it. That and the television remote (10 of them) are my challenges in life.
377 Anna7000 Noted your request, will get back to you…..
I have posted an email addy for people here….
mountainssong@gmail.com
I have two computers so I answer that email on the older one.
what is wrong with #277?
do you think it is a good idea to make a lot of noise to state officials and media outlets because the state of ohio is not enforcing a law that does not exist? i think it is a bad idea and it looks silly. it will eventually cause people to not listen. you know… like crying wolf. i was trying to stop it.
read my comment at #192
read my comment at #212
read my comment at #225
read my comment at #234
that is 4 times i tried to help specifically with the photo id and election law. each of them short and sweet.
so who is spoonfeeding who? seems like i was trying to provide info and not asking for it. it’s called teamwork.
i think it is you that owes me an apology.
#382
Was that a murphy that appeared a little while ago? She must be up from under the covers……
Ok it’s 3 oclock time for my soap general hospital be back at 4. see ya all.
ladyhawkke’s jimmy carter project is at post #156 FYI
Fireworks here today. This is better than the 4th of July.
Murphy, get out from under the covers. We need help here. Make some profound statement or something
#302 pamawo
Re: Jimmy Carter Address
Yes, I’ll be glad to get that for you. I will have to dig it out of my stash and I’m babysitting this afternoon, but will try to get it to you sometime tonight.
#388 Anna7000
I think you would get alot of info from the 1984 Convention. I believe both Kennedy and Jackson were on the ballot there. As I remember they also had a roll call vote.
# 390 alohapuma…well said. Thanks.
391 Anna7000 ~~~ Actually, because of this blog, it stays quite clean, even cleaner than before PUMA. LOL
But the wheel in my mouse is wearing out, i think.
398 halligan~~~ Murphy IS a profound statement!!!!
mkp651 – thanks. every little bit helps.
WELL I HAVE ABOUT 10 OR 11 OF MY FAMLY THAT WILL BE PROTESTING THIS ELECTION !!!!!!!!!
FOR THE 1ST TIME IN MY ADULT LIFE I WILL BE VOTING REP. AND SO WILL ABOUT 10 MORE IN FAMILY !!!!!!
NOBAMA NOBIDEN EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ladyhawkke—
where does that fax for jimmy carter go? i found email addresses to various places associated w/him…
Donna Brazile is reporting me to the authorities!
She’s answered every one of my emails, and she’s a delegate and aren’t delegates our public servants, ok for us to contact?
I think she got mad because she said “stop your ranting, I’ve tried to be respectful”and I replied with an “lol” and repeated back her last email to me, which was for me to “shut my nasty trap.” I told her that was very classy.
So then she said she was forwarding my email to “the proper authorities.”
I just wanted to have this recorded on PUMApac in case I’m “disappeared!” lololol
I thought this was interesting.
Jack Wheeler is a brilliant man who was the author of Reagan’s strategy to break the back of the Soviet Union with the star wars race and expose their inner weakness. For years he wrote a weekly intelligence update that was extremely interesting and well structured and informed. He consults(ed) with several mega corporations on global trends and the future, etc. I think he is in semi-retirement now. He is a true patriot with a no-nonsense approach to everything. He is also a somewhat well known mountain climber and adventurer.
Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler
The O-man, Barack Hussein Obama, is an eloquently tailored empty suit. No resume, no accomplishments, no experience, no original ideas, no understanding of how the economy works, no understanding of how the world works, no balls, nothing but abstract empty rhetoric devoid of real substance.
He has no real identity. He is half-white, which he rejects. The rest of him is mostly Arab, which he hides but is disclosed by his non-African Arabic surname and his Arabic first and middle names as a way to triply proclaim his Arabic parentage to people in Kenya . Only a small part of him is African Black from his Luo grandmother, which he pretends he is exclusively.
What he isn’t, not a genetic drop of, is ‘African-American, ‘ the descendant of enslaved Africans brought to America chained in slave ships. He hasn’t a single ancestor who was a slave. Instead, his Arab ancesto rs were slave owners. Slave-trading was the main Arab business in East Africa for centuries until the British ended it.
Let that sink in: Obama is not the descendant of slaves, he is the descendant of slave owners. Thus he makes the perfect Liberal Messiah.
It’s something Hillary doesn’t understand – how some complete neophyte came out of the blue and stole the Dem nomination from her. Obamamania is beyond politics and reason. It is a true religious cult, whose adherents reject Christianity yet still believe in Original Sin, transferring it from the evil of being human to the evil of being white.
Thus Obama has become the white liberals’ Christ, offering
Absolution from the Sin of Being White. There is no reason or logic behind it, no faults or flaws of his can diminish it, no
Arguments Hillary could make of any kind can be effective against it. The absurdity of Hypocrisy Clothed In Human Flesh being their Savior is all the more cause for liberals to worship him: Credo quia absurdum, I believe it because it is absurd.
Thank heavens that the voting majority of Americans remain
Christian and are in no desperate need of a phony savior.
His candidacy is ridiculous and should not be taken seriously by any thinking American.
THIS BLOG POST FROM TODAY’S NEW YORK TIMES SERIOUSLY NEEDS SOME PUMA COMMENTS!
Paterson Describes ‘Disappointment’ of Clinton Fans
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/paterson-describes-disappointment-of-clinton-fans/
NYCgirl
ZEE…………lol
Do not get disappeared!
HERE’S THE BEGINNING OF THE VERY VERY VERY ROUGH, FIRST DRAFT OF WHAT I’M WORKING ON. An
Anyone got any links to reliable media sources (no u-tube or blog posts, please) to support these opints, feel free to share if you’d like. Please post an easy to find heading if you do, though.
Also, if anyone has any other ideas to add to the bullet points I have, feel free to share those as well.
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In this historic election year, when the press has been interested, it has expressed confusion regarding why some Clinton supporters won’t get behind Obama and support the Democratic Party. Many commentators, news analysts, op-ed journalists and others have stated that it seems unfathomable that someone who supports Clinton’s values and platform would not support Obama and the Democratic Party. What they fail to realize, however, is that the issue goes far beyond candidate preference. The core of the issue lies in how the candidate came to be the Democratic Party’s nominee in the first place.
It is has often been stated that Obama won fair and square and Clinton’s supporters need to “get over it”. However, Obama did not win fair and square, and herein lies the rub and is central to what many of us take issue with.
· The media and the DNC were already calling for Senator Clinton to drop out of the race after Senator Obama won the Iowa caucus.
· The very nature of a caucus system is undemocratic and disenfranchises voters.
· Voter fraud and intimidation was rampant in many states, particularly caucus states. Clinton supporters were not infrequently accosted, some were even physically attacked. Sign in sheets were stolen, rules were not followed, and votes from people who did not live in the county or who were not living at all were registered, among other offenses, all to the benefit of Senator Obama.
· The DNC “punished” Florida and Michigan, depriving millions of voters from having their votes fully and honestly represented.
· The media did not vet Senator Obama, and instead gave him a free pass on numerous very important issues that deserved scrutiny. Conversely, the media persistently painted Senator Clinton in a negative light.
· The DNC did not defend Senator Clinton when the media bombarded the American public with relentlessly biased coverage, coverage that often treated Senator Clinton in a disrespectful way due to her gender.
· Although Senator Clinton ultimately won more primaries than any candidate in history and won the popular vote, the DNC continued to press her to withdraw from the race throughout the primary season. In so doing, they sent the message that they already had the candidate in mind who they wanted to be their nominee, irrespective of the fact that millions and millions of Democrats continued to go to the polls to cast their vote for Senator Clinton.
· In the days leading up to the Democratic convention, the DNC sent various messages to discourage an honest roll call vote, ranging from the prospect of not having Senator Clinton’s name placed in nomination at all, to states discouraging pledged delegates from collecting signatures to ensure Senator Clinton’s name be placed in nomination, to “negotiations” to decide whether Senator Clinton’s name should be placed in nomination. Coming on the heels of that, were issues surrounding whether there would be a true, honest and open roll call vote on the convention floor.
377 Anna7000
i like your idea that we have an index/table of contents. an entire reread of the blog from day one to pick-up links to factual info, ie: state sites & e-addys, fed sites & e-addys, and media,political and politicians e-addys types of references. we have a diary that is begging to be utilized as a reference tool.
i am willing to assist you – i love research, have patience, and should have been a forensic person or p.i.
Wait a minute guys and gals,
My suggestion was to work on what platform you want McCain to include in his platform in order to win PUMA votes, and to work on it here – NOT TO GO AS INDIVIDUALS OR FAX MY POST TO McCAIN.
The person, I think who would represent our platform to McCain in a meeting is Murphy and entourage.
And once the platform is decided on, every PUMA would be writing a letter to the editor saying we have asked McCain to include this in his platform if he wants our vote. Every newspaper in America, and England – they do speak English over there (for the ex pats) Talk about pressure on McCain.
Can you imagine – hee hee hee – enjoying it myself 
Another Puma posted the suggestion yesterday of not giving your vote away for free to McCain. Although I
just cant do that (my state allows me to write Hillary in or I can stay home – and I’ve decided NOT to vote the dem downline. If we’re gonna screw them as they’ve screwed us – go all the way. But I gave the other PUMA poster’s idea some thought, so here it is:
DONT GIVE YOUR VOTE AWAY TO MC CAIN FOR FREE !!
MAKE HIM WORK FOR IT.
DEMAND HE PUT IN HIS PLATFORM THE ISSUES WE ARE INTERESTED IN IF HE WANT HILLARY’S VOTERS:
1) HER HEALTHCARE PLAN
2) HER EDUCATION PLAN
3) TAX RELIEF FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS, CLOSING LOOP HOLES FOR THE SUPER RICH WHO PAY NO TAXES. (unfortunately that’s what the republican party is built on – doing away with taxes for the rich, and having the middle class carry the burdern)
4) STOP THE OUTSOURCING OF JOBS, AND CREATE JOBS AND MANUFACTURING IN THE USA
5) NO TAX BREAKS FOR OIL COMPANIES AND OFFSHORE COMPANIES
6) REVAMP THE FDA , PROTECT THE AMERICAN CONSUMER FROM POISONOUS PRODUCTS, ORIGIN LABELING ENFORCED!
7) PROTECT OUR BORDERS-STOP THE ILLEGAL UNFLUX
TURN IRAQ OVER TO IRAQ, LEAVE AS THEY HAVE REQUESTED, BRING OUR KIDS HOME.
WITHIN THE YEAR
9) EQUAL PAY FOR WOMEN AND MEN
10) RE-INSTITUTE ANTI-MONOPOLY LAWS WHETHER MEDIA, COMMUNICATIONS, ALL INDUSTRIES
Add on to this what you think is important, something we could eventually present to McCain as a petition: “We will vote for you IF………………”
PLEASE FORGET ABOUT ADDING ON ABOUT ABORTION RIGHTS – CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS HAS SAID THE ROE VS WADE MATTER HAS ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED AND SET PRECEDENT, HE IS NOT GOING TO REVIEW IT AGAIN – SO DONT LET ANYONE USE THAT OLD SAW ON US.
A couple from Louisiana and a couple from the East Coast were seated side by side on an airplane.
The girl from Louisiana , being friendly and all, said, “So where ya’ll from?”
The East Coast girl said, “From a place where they know better than to use a preposition at the end of a sentence.”
The girl from Louisiana sat quietly for a few moments and then replied:
“So, where ya’ll from, bitch?”
Just thought I would lighten up the mood a little bit for y’all. LOL
Btw, I’m the LA girl.
anna7000
would this be what you are looking for?
http://www.publishaletter.com/
314 ladyhawkke : They showed the clip of Hillary going into the room with Judas. the room clapped for her, but not for him. He greeted her real nice and then she turned to the camera for a photo, and he tried to lay it on and get cozy, but she did not respond. Kept a body distance and basically pushed him away. Did what she absolutely had to do, take that one photo and walked away. He walked away then behind her with his head down. There’s more to that story then we know. she only went there to campaign for O in his state.
And I’m a Florida panhandle girl, y’all. Thanks for that mick!
Zee,
She’s probably claiming you are harassing her – that is if it’s not a bluff. Be sure you have saved all your correspondence. Also I hope you did not threaten her in anyway. Most states statutes say something like, “unwanted communications that would cause a reasonable person to fear for their safety”. This would be after the other party communicated the contacts were unwelcome. If I were in your position (I can’t give you legal advice) I would stop all communications after e-mailing the following.
Ms. Brazile,
Please provide the contact information of your attorney so further communications can be facilitated through him or her. Be advised I have retained copies of all correspondence between us.
Don’t contact her again.
bravo Anna7000.
the face that the media has been trying to put on puma is that of angry, spiteful and irrational people.
statements like the one you are working on are exactly what is needed.
i apologize for my sarcastic remarks i made about obama. calling him antichrist, etc. i am going to try and stick to the facts and not react emotionally when i am frustrated.
417 Dragonfly
So am I and Furfle, too.
bbl
#408 dcinlasvegas on 08.28.08 at 3:08 pm
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That is interesting. Did anyone else happen to notice that the exit polling throughout the primaries showed that people voting for BO were mostly not regular church goers, and the folks voting for Sen Clinton were primarily church goers. I always found that interesting, if not a bit scary from the start.
Let’s not be taken aback if we are accused of being McCain supporters. When any criticism of the elections or BO is levied we are almost immediately accused of being McCain supporters. I have seen this happen even in local Democratic Party meetings. I know who I am and if any of the BO people are interested in listening to me then I will explain (once again) why I keep protesting.
From the beginning the “New” Democratic Party’s stance has been that they can do anything they want because middle/working/poor people don’t have anywhere else to go. That cynical way of thinking is exactly why they are in so much trouble right now. I, personally, do have options and will never support this Party’s corrupt ways. The ends don’t justify the means. It would have been great to have an African American president, but Dean, Pelosi and the rest have ruined this moment. So, go ahead and call me any name in the book. I know I’m not a Republican and have never been one.
Let’s get to work.
419 4Hillary on 08.28.08 at 3:19 pm
You mean we’re not evil she-devils riding on brooms looking to gouge out the eyes of unsuspecting men? Darn! And here I just bought a brand new broom!
There’s nothing wrong with Pumas being angry–we have every reason to be. That anger will give us the energy we’re going to need to make changes.
#411 Anna7000 – awesome. I will try to share more sources – I have many but not quick at hand and today I am not so focused.
ZEE, #418 alohapuma is right.
#420 Flasunshinelvr – I knew it. Where are you? I am in the Pensacola area, born and raised.
CHANGED ONE BULLET POINT AND ADDED ANOTHER
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· The DNC, repeatedly referring to “rules”, initially “punished” Florida and Michigan for holding their primaries earlier than they had been allowed to do, depriving millions of voters from having their votes fully and honestly represented. Florida and Michigan were states where Senator Clinton won. Once Senator Obama’s nomination appeared secured well in advance of the convention, the Obama campaign and the DNC then decided to give Florida and Michigan full voting privileges. Their willingness to make a dramatic shift in their position regarding the rules leaves anything thinking person suspect as to their motives for their decisions and the timing of these choices.
· The Democratic Convention roll call vote was a sham. Per an August 27th, 2008 CNN report replete with video footage, pledged delegates were pressured before voting to avoid any “drama” on the convention floor. The subtext being quite obvious: Cast your vote for Senator Obama in order to reduce the number of votes for Senator Clinton during the roll call thereby skewing the results so as not to reveal how very close this election was.
#423 Lara08 – you are right – thanks for all your great posts. I haven’t been able to be here as much as I would have liked, but the few times I could, you, Lisa, Drac, ladyhawkke, jody in Florida, mcr, and Anna7000 (and more please forgive my lack of focus today) would get me going in a positive direction.
This blog has really made me ‘tighten it up’. I am realizing there are important things here, or things that may have no seeming relavance now which mat me very important in the future. so I save more. Trying to decipher between what is truly relevant and that which is not is the hard part.
Based on things that Anna has mentioned today, i think it might be something for all of us who have been here awhile, and those who are new to PUMA, to consider.
Anna
Awesome!! Look how fast you got back on the horse girl!!!!
We all need these talking points put in clear terms.
blue blue gal – thanks for the link. added your name to my list of possible helpers!
dragonfly – fyi. i still have the caucus materials you sent me. any other stuff you have, bring it on!
I want to start by thanking all PUMA’s for the work they have done in the past months…You are all True Americans…I don’t post here often but I do read all and have done my share of emails campaigns.. I pass along PUMA U Tubes etc..I Own My Vote..and will not openly endorse a canidate here as requested..but I would like to make a plea to all those who are considering not voting..I have been reading about Accorn and it’s connection to the Obama Campaign and what I have read is that if this election is close within a few points then Election Fraud could rule the day and the Election could be stolen..Now if Obama is winning my a large margin then it won’t matter but if not your vote could be stolen…Just something to think about…God Bless PUMA and God Bless America!!!
#411 Anna
Excellent, positive, constructive start for action. Thank you so much.
425 Dragonfly
We are in Cantonment. Furfle and I were both born in Mobile, Alabama…yeeehaawww, but we have been in Florida 26 years. Our roots are from Chipley.
(Sunshinelvr and I have somehow gotten mixed up as one blogger).
alohapuma – thanks. yeah, i am not one to stay bogged down in crisis mode. i’m one of those that copes by trying to find a way to regain a sense of control. maybe a false sense, at times, but it’s part of my coping skills, for better or for worse. i’m the one you want to have around when someone gets really ill or dies and you need that person who will start researching, gathering info, organizing things. it’s AFTERWARDS that i collapse. but we all play our part at the right time, i guess.
#431 I never though those kinds of things could happen in the U.S. today, but after this year I don’t know anymore. I guess it is almost to be expected.
-Lara08
Anna 7000-Count me in……..
434 Anna7000
We can never have too many emotionally healthy Pumas!!
You rock!
bruce55555 on 08.28.08 at 10:56 am “For the first time in my adult life” I will vote for a republican presidential candidate!
That is gr8t I like that
LOL
Me TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
#183BMW60 and Ladyhawkke Do you think the other camp should know about Ohio – and as we personally have seen he could very likely be up to dirty tricks in Ohio – if enough of that other camp talks amongst themselves – maybe someone there will be able to keep an eye on it -
I keep my friends close and my enemies closer.
Anna
count me in as well. I think you have my email, if not uname + gee male dot com
426 Anna7000~~~ It’s a sad time for America. But it’s a rallying WarCry as well. (PUMA Screech!)
#357 diva2 on 08.28.08 at 2:44 pm
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Interesting, although we already know that! LOL
Some more details would be great, and are these delegates going to stand up for what’s right and actually let the world know what happened? That’s what we need here, some ‘insider’ witness testmony.
#439 That is the truth.
SLY2 And I will be watching the US Open, Nadal and Serena are playing.
Can we establish PUMA Camps across America???
#442 NObamaDem ~~~ Yes, absolutely~~ but will they have the cajones to stand up and give testimony?
I’m out of here. Gotta go apply for social security…..feeling really ooooooooooooooold.
Murphy,
If you are on…is Brad still intending to have the film finished in March 09? That’s what I remember him saying at one point.
Anyway this film can be released before the election or is his scope on the project to include the final result of the November election?
Couldn’t resist. Is Brad the new Michael Moore?
halligan,
Yes!! Of course he is!
#433 Flasunshiner – sorry about my mix up! Yes, I remember a Cantonement family from the early days and always wondered how I would track y’all down. I am not too far away from you at all.
Maybe we can get something going here locally -
my email is dragonflypuma at gee mail dot com
#363 Anna7000 Perhaps we could use Kelligesq’s post and put together a Prowl from all of us to send to McCain. Although we can do this on our own, I think Murphy should send e=mails out to reach all of us. Some are not at their computer. When we have that letter prepared, we can post it at Clinton Dems, and all the other pro-Hillary websites. This is a wonderful idea.
Did you notice in the roll call vote yesterday that California passed. Why didn’t the media ask why? I know why, because at that time, Hillary had so many votes, that she would have gone ahead of Obama for a brief while and the Obama campaign didn’t want to see Hillary on top even if it was a temporary thing. There’s not doubt the DNC just wants us Hillary voters to just follow Obama no matter what. Not now, not ever. Not sure who I will vote for in November. I am waiting to see who McCain picks as VP and then the debates. I may write in Hillary or vote McCain. Hell maybe Nader!
halligan,
ps….but even better given where our old friend Michael is hanging out these days.
#446 halligan – you’re not old. You’re a house painter!
Hope Murphy doesn’t get mad at me, but I can’t resist saying this. Obama’s new campaign theme song “You’re the devil in Disguise”. I’m sure Elvis won’t mind, still alive and living in Kalamazoo!!LOL
Puma Power!!
I like prowing the McCain camp with inquiries about what exactly he will do for us.
I need to go out dancing~~~before this all makes me forget to LIVE!!!! After all, I’ll be 65 in November and the trail in front of me is, no doubt, alot shorter than the one behind me now.
OK PUMA’S I NEED YOUR HELP!!!
My boss came at me first thing this morning about how wonderful BO is and I didn’t agree with him so he started to say I am one of the reasons the country is in the state that it is in. He said more but it is too much to write. Basically I told him that if he wanted to vote for someone with terrorist connections so be it. (I was emotionally charged). This is what he wrote to me now and I need a less emotional response but I can’t come up with any that doesn’t have a curse in it. Can anyone help? He has no idea what the DNC has been up to and he doesn’t know the level of loyalty I have to Hillary. Anyway this is what he wrote:
Your just a sore loser because your girl could not get in, it is about the party not the person and what the party stands for. If you want another four years of high gas prices, increased healthcare, borrowing money from China, our kids getting killed in Iraq and living paycheck to paycheck then go ahead like the rest of the Hillary crybabies and write your vote in.
I am thinking about my daughter’s future, so every vote not going to the party is going against her future. By the way, making a statement like that “terrorist” just proves your lack of knowledge of politics and the world, not to mention what the Democratic Party stands for.
Anna7000
I volunteer to help you with research, I accept the fect that you are not certain where all this will end up if you accept the fact that I am not as fast as you are but know that I will do my best and it is really important to me to have credible sources of information before I will act.
#452 kasota
You’re right. It was really annoying too the way PBS covered the roll call vote. The only states I saw called out were Florida, New Hampshire, New Jersey, and a few others where Obama got all of the delegates.
Then I saw New Mexico and Illinois pass, and then HRC at the New York delegation . . .
She is a classy lady. Of course, I still say she is my President.
No Way, No How, NObama!
Look at past conventions on FOX right now!
#439 Rodham in Flag I’m ahead of you on that. I just called the “other” camp but no answer. I’m planning to go there tomorrow with a stack of Fred’s Nobama posters and also to get a bumper sticker to put beside my Hillary yard sign. And i definitely will give them the info about OH. OH is not the only problem, there is nationwide fraudulent voter registration going on as XO is registering thugs, going into jails and registering non-felons, anyone he can. It may be impossible to stop the corruption as the virus has spread far and wide.
Kelligesq
McCain has had an extensive outreach to Hillary’s voters all summer. I met with Carly Fiorina in NY. She is asking for our concerns and addressing them. But Senator McCain’s views are more conservative and Federalist. He can’t change his core values.
After spending months listening to Talk Radio and Fox News, I must say that my views have become more conservative. I can live with Sen. McCain for now.
I just donated $200 to his campaign.
I won’t try to change anyone’s views or advocate for how any of my Puma family exercises their vote.
The important thing to me is to keep BO out of the White House. Please read my next Post where I’ll explain my biggest fear.
The title will be FIRST AMENDMENT IN PERIL.
mkp651 on 08.28.08 at 11:33 am does anyone know if their are signs that say Clinton voter for McCain. I will put a yard sign up but only if it lets people know that I am a hillary voter.
Contact Rick Davis at the Republican Committe to get you signs that say” Democrates for McCain” (yard signs.)
Upon reflection on BC’s speech, he said he thinks BO is ready to lead America on all issues, basically. Evidently Bill passed on the koolaid and had the Punch instead!!!
*** mcr
you have g mail
Cleaning out my e-mail messages:
PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME FROM YOUR EMAIL LISTING. THIS IS AN INVASION OF PRIVACY. I HAVE TRIED FOUR TIMES TO UNSUBSCRIBE AND AM GETTING VERY ANGRY THAT NO CODE HAS BEND SENT TO ME. CALLED THE PHONE NUMBER AND EVERYONE IS IN DENVER. IS THIS HOW THE WHITE HOUSE WILL BE WHEN SOMETHING IMPORTANT HAPPENS? CALL BACK ON TUESDAY WHEN EVERYONE RETURNS TO THE WHITE HOUSE.
I sent #467 in reply to Biden’s e-mail about O’s nomination.
If I had more resources I might donate to McCain, but as it is, any donations I make will continue to be to PUMA. This is the cause I’ve devoted myself to supporting. I encourage you all to do the same.
#458 redtumble
RedTumble… I would recommend sending him links to the YouTube of what Obama has done for Hyde Park, along with the article on what Obama has done for his brother who lives on $1 a month in a small hut. You could even send the article of the broken promise to the African village he grew up in. Then I would reply — “what makes you think this man can fix all the problems you cited? What makes you think he’ll keep his promises?”
And leave it at that… let him connect the dots from the information to the questions you posed. If you need those links… I have them at home and can provide them this evening. Look for a post in which I’ll reference your screen name again (you can press Ctrl+F and do a search for your screen name or mine to find the post)
Red tumble and all,so the intimidation now will get closer to home……..Tonight I will light a candle for Lady Liberty and free speech.
Where will this end?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080828/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_biden
We need to work on PA, Biden says XO cannot win without PA! Hillary, why have you forsaken us?
451 ladyhawkke – ok – one more request – is Ohio the only state so far with the new Voter Regs? I am trying to do some research for this.
Thank you,
Don’t now if this was posted before, but a great read! “Hillary can’t fix what her Party broke”
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_froma_harrop/hillary_can_t_fix_what_her_party_broke
462 ladyhawkke said
[OH is not the only problem, there is nationwide fraudulent voter registration going on as XO is registering thugs, going into jails and registering non-felons, anyone he can.]
This is critical. Do you have specifics about what they are doing. They are extremely organized
467 halligan
Me also. Guess their switchbroad will be burning Tuesday!!! I thought maybe they didn’t like my negative remarks.
PLEASE THANK THOSE IN THE MEDIA WHO HAVE BEEN SUPPORTIVE
My number one nomination is Greta van Susteren who has kept our discontent alive throughout the past couple of weeks. Her email addy is:
Ontherecord@foxnews.com
Other suggestions? Hannity on Fox – don’t have his email handy.
Anna, Greta may be a very good contact for you – she mentioned it would need a whole week of shows to address the issues surrounding press coverage of this nomination process. She seemed interested in doing that.
#458 redtumble, who, your “boss” is not keeping up a professional barrier, is he/she?
There are credible news reports on the Ayers connection to Obama.
How about –
“Your personal attack does nothing to foster unity or discourse. Your email is full of frustration at me, but I am just a voter following my conscience. Much of what you are angry about relates to the last eight years under Bush. Use your energy to defeat the Republicans, not against me. If you are actually interested in following up on why I used the word “terrorist,” feel free to google “Ayers” and Weather Underground, and Obama, and Chicago. You’ll see how a man who wishes he had done more to set off dangerous bombs in our country has worked with Obama for more than ten years, even holding fundraisers for him. That is a connection that reveals a lack of good judgment, and I am not the only one concerned about Obama’s friendship with Ayers.”
I am also into bodybuilding, planning to compete in a Senior Womens’ Division next year and supplements cost a fortune, too.
#413 kelligesq
The Equal Pay Act is not an issue. It was passed into law in 1963 and signed by President Kennedy.
Good afternoon fellow Pumas. You are on fire today!
#411, Anna7000 great letter. What kind of stats are you looking for specifically?
#413, Kellegesq, I agree completely. I think that must be part of our work in regard to our election process. Please see a posts from last night by “Rugger in LA” and “doctorate” who are on the same page. Please let me know how I can help in this.
Laurey
#458 redtumble
One more thing… don’t answer his email today. Let me send you the amunition for the reply and you can pass it along to him tomorrow. There’s no rush… we have a couple of months to plant the seeds of doubt and awareness for your boss.
Anna7000
I do know where commas should go!
STOP with the criticising of the Clintons! Both of them know exaclty what they are doing, have done what they had to, and it is not about getting BO elected.
I’ll bbl. This place is really starting to fall apart in a big was. We’re supposed to have a common goal, but I did not think that turning on the Clintons weasd part of it. geesh.
Some Clinton Donors Are Contributing to McCain
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Conventions/story?id=5676191&page=1
#484 NObamaDem on 08.28.08 at 3:57 pm
Please don’t go NObamaDem. We can’t afford to lose people who are going to work to change things.
ladyhawkke – re your post about contacting mc cain’s campaign. what i’m hoping is that now that we’re in round 2, the leaders of some of these grassroots orgs will sit down and come up with a game plan that will include some umbrella issues we can all be on the same page on. perhaps approaching mc cain’s campaign will be one of them. i’m pretty sure i’ve heard deb martavolus (sorry, i’m sure i just butchered her name) on some media program a while back talking about having sat down with mc cain’s people. but, don’t quote me.
crazy for all these little orgs to try to reinvent the wheel. but also understand it’s hard to get coordinated, as well.
#465 Living Grace
Bill did an amazingly smooth 180, didn’t he? I’ve been checking out the ads that the Repubs are going to run next week where they use against Obama the words of Bill, Hill, and others. I believe the speeches were crafted to specifically debunk what was said before. Certainly, it will not be successful for people like us. Bill and Hill did what they had to do after Hill and their allies were threatened with funded opposition in public office campaigns within the Dem party. that’s what I heard.
I see a lot of requests for poll information… unfortunately the gallup poll gives BO a 6 point bounce… but if it makes anyone feel any better… I’m pretty confident that bounce will disappear after the Republican convention. However, what does make me angry is that the bounce is a direct benefit from the Clinton speeches — cause he sure as hell didn’t get a bounce in the previous convention day speeches.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/109897/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Moves-Ahead-48-42.aspx
#473 1gypsy4mc I don’t know as the OH post was not mine. Thanks for doing the research.
Ladyhawkke – you are sure are up one on me – so proud of you – I used to watch your posts, Anna7000, Dragonfly, GoAndersen, Stardust, TilleryLakeLady – others as well – but thought how great it was to have a movement like you all in it – I was just a lurker then – only came out of the lurking about three weeks ago -
#484 NObamaDem -
you are right, please don’t leave. I don’t think our mission includes criticizing the Clintons. I just posted at 488 what may sound like a criticism, but what I was trying to say is what you said more succinctly – they did what they had to do.
For anyone who’s considering not voting or voting indy or writing in Hillary, please consider this:
Either BO or McCain WILL be our next President. Not an indy, not a write-in. Don’t we remember how close the election of 2000 was? Don’t we NOT want that to happen again? We must stop BO from gaining the White House. We must stop thinking like the kid on the playground who didn’t get to pitch so he takes his ball and goes home to sulk.
And please don’t say you can’t vote for a Repub because Bush got us to where we are now. Bill and BO are both Dems but there is no way their administrations would be alike.
PUMAS are a powerful voting bloc. We can make history and reform the Democratic Party. But to do that we must make sure that BO does not win.
Every vote has to count, every voice has to make a statement. Every vote not for McCain puts BO one vote closer to the White House.
Please consider your motives before it’s too late!
For anyone who’s considering not voting or voting indy or writing in Hillary, please consider this:
Either BO or McCain WILL be our next President. Not an indy, not a write-in. Don’t we remember how close the election of 2000 was? Don’t we NOT want that to happen again? We must stop BO from gaining the White House. We must stop thinking like the kid on the playground who didn’t get to pitch so he takes his ball and goes home to sulk.
And please don’t say you can’t vote for a Repub because Bush got us to where we are now. Bill and BO are both Dems but there is no way their administrations would be alike.
PUMAS are a powerful voting bloc. We can make history and reform the Democratic Party. But to do that we must make sure that BO does not win.
Every vote has to count, every voice has to make a statement. Every vote not for McCain puts BO one vote closer to the White House.
Please consider your motives before it’s too late!
484 NObamaDem ~~~ Looks to me like just the opposite. I think we are coming together and becoming way more cohesive than ever before. I guess that’s the difference between a positive and a negative attitude.
We all have our down days and I hope you are not serious about leaving.
NoBamaDem – Excellent article. That’s one I’ll save.
Nice work, PUMAs, I am seeing PUMA comments show on this blog post from today’s New York Times. Keep ‘em coming!
Paterson Describes ‘Disappointment’ of Clinton Fans
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/paterson-describes-disappointment-of-clinton-fans/
NYCgirl
#487 Anna7000 I did hear that also and she is part of the JSND coalition with Will Bowers. I’ll e-mail Will and copy kelligesq’s quote for Will and Diane. I’ll ask him to pass it along to the other camp.
#489 Mzebest – I think the poll increase for BO was as I posted earlier due to Bills speech – Hillary did not go into the details of how good BO was like Bill did and those that trust him might go along with his words – one of my Republican friends said exactly that to me last night – see even Bill Clinton says BO is not so bad – why are you not going along with him
Group Plans Campaign Against G.O.P. Donors http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/08/us/politics/08donate.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1219953799-u+oY6b5TKVBf7t5j//KSNg
Just got in from Denver, so this is my first time on the blog this week.
What a remarkable experience. It is so empowering to meet PUMA’s from all over the country. Marching and chanting in the streets with Hillstheone, GoAnderson, AntiFish, NancyK, Shamores and many others.
And meeting Murphy, Mama, Maryland and Riverdaughter.
We did meet some great Denver residents, and the police were phenominally cooperative with us. Feed a cop, find a PUMA!
However, we also met with some Obama people who were absolutely enraged with us. I received comments like “What sexism”, How could you vote for McCain?” “You are obviously Republicans”, “You are STUPID,STUPID, STUPID,” And the perennial favorite. “Losers, losers, losers”. Fighting for democracy is not pretty.
But I did enjoy calling Chris Matthews a sexist pig. Thank you, AntiFish. And maybe changing GoAnderson’s name to CoronaPuma. You do the math.
I need to sleep and live to fight another day.
NOBAMA
Regarding Bill Clinton’s speech — #299 retrobee posted downstairs:
“One more comment about BC’s speech: It was apparent he’s still confident that BO will lose in November when he said BO “hit it out of the park” with his VP pick.”
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I definitely agree and think that this comment was a subtle insult… since you can also interpret that hitting something out of the park means it’s out of bounds for what you really need.
I also feel Clinton’s speech had a lot of subtle messages for us to follow as a blueprint on what to do next. He warned of having a majority of one party across the board (in White House, Senate, and Congress). He made that reference as if we saw the travesty of the Republicans having so much control — but I think it was a subtle warning to us not to let the Democrats have similar control either. You can reread my post #154 downstairs for more detailed explanation.
Sorry for the double post
Obviously I feel very strongly about this.
Thank you mzebest. I think you are right about waiting. He has been riding me about Hillary through the whole primary (although he claims to have wanted her to win.) My email: redtumble@gmail.com and thanks so much for your help.
Dragonfly: Thank you too. You are right. He is blurring the line by talking about this at work. He feels like he can because we have been working together for a long time.
Thanks again,
Terry
RememberNovember – Thanks for the great idea re: Greta Van Susteren. Do you have a web link and/or e-mail address for her? Oh, and as far as commas go, I say, live a little and throw ‘em in whenever you’re in the, mo,od!
LaureyPuma – I’m looking for reliable info to back up each of by bullet points. Here’s an example of what I’m working on for the first point. Again, just a very rough draft, but it’ll give you an idea:
· The media was calling upon Senator Clinton to drop out of the race after Senator Obama won the Iowa caucus and continued the pressure throughout the primaries. In a rare, refreshing and well researched piece, journalist Eric Boehlert (4/30/08, Media Matters for America) describes the media’s pressure placed upon Senator Clinton to drop out of the race as being “unprecedented”. He notes that, historically, there has been no example of the media intervening in the primary process by telling a candidate when they should end their campaign. Boehlert cites numerous examples in the press, ranging from small city newspapers to national publications such as The Washington Post providing example after example of the media’s relentless pressure for Clinton to drop out of the race.
458 redtumble – contact someone above him IMMEDIATELY. He is not allowed to intimidate or questions workers political affiliations, etc.
Polls are about as valid as peeing in the wind to put out a forest fire. They are easily maipulated anything that bounces goes up AND down. Giving them any credence is like saying the weather isn’t going to change for the next 30 days.
Remember November – Sorry, just saw the e-mail address in your post.
alohapuma and tennassee puma and R.N. thanks for being willing to help with this non-targeted who-knows-where-it-will-lead project of mine!
I never heard Obama compared to Bush before I came to this site. I really want to hear more about this from you guys.
450 Dragonfly
How far away are you? Maybe we can get something going here.
My e-mail is prowlkitty@gee mail dot com.
Anna7000, it seems like a good beginning plan of action.
#458 redtumble:
#470 has good advice…my first thought was to send along links and let that person decide for themself. But…
In general though, I think it is not a very good idea to discuss politics or religion at work.
I think your boss is out of line for pushing his / her political views on employees, and if I were you, I would write down today’s date, and briefly write a summary of your exchange in case your job is threatened down the road.
I would avoid discussing politics with your boss. I’d even consider saying, “Ok, I’ll think about what you are saying, maybe I will change my mind” and then DROP IT.
It is not worth any sort of potential stress at work, no need to worry about job security either.
#504 redtumble
I’ll email you an appropriate reply for your boss tonight and you can decide if you want to use it, edit it, or draw from it to find your own voice.
505 Anna7000~~~ Is it possible to establish criteria we could rely on to determine credible sources of information? Every form of media has been manipulated this year, at least, and who knows for any number of prior years.
Anna7000
Greta van Susteren’s info:
Ontherecord@foxnews.com
http://gretawire.foxnews.com
I just want to repeat my sincere thanks to all the PUMAS who were brave enough to go to Denver and stand up for all of us. I’m so proud to know you and to point with pride to this site. No matter what happens we can all take satisfaction in knowing we stood up against wrongs and for true democracy.
#484 NOBamadem: I am with you. One of my main gripes about this whole election so far is the media and BO’s campaign trying to demonize the Clintons. They did what they had to do.
FIRST AMENDMENT IN PERIL
This is my most profound fear if BO should succeed. We know that through his “Community Agitating” using Saul Alinsky tactics (by whatever means necessary to achieve the end) BO stoked people’s fears, then set himself up as their Savior. He was able to win his elections by the elimination and defamation of opponents…all done behind the scenes. His grass roots do the dirty work, while he rises above unscathed.
With Hillary, BO used MoveON, DailyKos, and his internet minions to demonize her from the left while she was being shot at from the right. (It’s amazing how strong she still was.)
Now, most ominously, BO is determined to prevent the truth to come out about his past relationships to virulent Anti-Americans and domestic terrorists. His disciples are trying to smear respected journalist Stanley Kurtz for writing about the Annenberg Foundation. They are flooding radio and tv stations with phone and email rote messages threatening boycotts. The BO campaign has sued the group that created the Bill Ayers Ad (all of which is true). Fox and CNN have refused to run the Ad.
The difference between the political actions we have taken and the ones they are taking is this: WE ARE TRYING TO EXPOSE THE TRUTH….THEY ARE TRYING TO SUPPRESS THE TRUTH!!!
Can you imagine what our Country would be like with this Cabal in charge?
Murphy, Can we brainstorm some actions that can address this assault to our freedoms?
Piggy backing on Remember November’s post to thank Greta Van Susteren, just want to give another shout out to the PUMA who suggested thanking the Denver Police and other Denver government agencies for their wonderful work and support. And, a quick repeat from a day or so ago that for those who used lobby delegates, to consider thanking them for making their service available for far longer than it normally would have remained up. Most of the traffic they got these past few months has been Clinton suppporters lobbying SD’s.
While in this transition, thank you’s seem like such a great idea before we jump back into the trenches in earnest.
Any other ideas? So far we’ve got:
Greta Van Susteren
Ontherecord@foxnews.com
lobbydelegates (the State Democracy Foundation)
info@LobbyDelegates.com
Ken.Laureys@LobbyDelegates.com
Denver Police
(Got no contact info)
What a great prowl this would make for today! Anyone else agree. Murphy can get some rest and wake up to find we’ve been gracious and made sure we thanked those who’ve been there for us.
I was wrong Mzebest – after reading the article this 6 point bounce was from MO, HC speeches did not include Bills or BO’s tonight – so they suggest a bigger bounce ….
Contact Information: The Carter Center
Mailing Address:
The Carter Center
One Copenhill
453 Freedom Parkway
Atlanta, GA 30307
Phone:
(404) 420-5100 or (800) 550-3560
E-mail:
carterweb@emory.edu
Boy, do I love the mute button on my remote! It’s saved me from pulling out my hair when that fraud comes on.
#489 MZbest
The Gallup Poll is one of the more reputable polls but if you look at it on a daily basis, you will drive youself crazy. They usually have a trend plot that may run 1 day behind but is posted on their Election 2008 page. The scale is a bit compressed, but if you expand it, some trends do become apparent. In my opinion, Bo and McCain are tied right now at 45% and McCain has been on the increase at around 1% per week. That is too small to see on daily basis. Mostly the random error in the poll is larger than the differences we are seeing between the two numbers.
good evening to all puma
specially those that worked so hard
and believe me it is making history
if anyone in here whose profession
is somehow related to politics
or knows really well the mechanics of voting
beyond casting vote
I mean the repercussion of our vote
I would be very grateful, if it is explained
it would good for all of us
it is my believe that we should not waste our votes
we have to get organize
and make a “useful vote”
and above all protest
since last night I have this awful felling that this guy could win the election
he might use camp obama militia to do the same thing that he had done in the primaries
SO FAR HE HAS GOTTEN AWAY WITH EVERY TRASH THAT HE HAS DONE
THE COUNTRY MIGHT BE IN PERIL
518 doria Thanks for posting the information again.
I have the First Amendment that I can repost if anyone is interested – up to you
#509:
Barack Obama lacks experience like Bush, needed the OLD guy (Biden/ Cheney) to validate their candidacy, and they both used the media to promote their candidacy.
Obama voted for Cheney’s energy bill and Bush’s FISA Bill. Obama also wants to expand faith-based programs like Bush.
Rezko was a long time friend of Obama’s and helped raise a lot of money for Obama. Rezko also raised a lot of money (nearly 3 million) for Bush.
#509 curiousferret ~
Obama compared to Bush??? ROFL Now that’s funny! Just compare their issues. Not even close.
#509 curiousferret on 08.28.08 at 4:08 pm
I never heard Obama compared to Bush before I came to this site. I really want to hear more about this from you guys.
Living Grace – Great point! Here’s what I’d go with, but I’d love to hear your ideas and anyone else’s. Your point is excellent and establishing some parameters sounds very wise.
STRONG RELIABILITY
Major national newpaper report on facts
TV interviews with power political power brokers
Op-Ed pieces not necessarily great source for facts, though should be if the writer is good and references data of any kind. BUT, op-ed pieces may be helpful in highlighting certain points, such as how the media was biased for Obama and against Clinton.
MOERATE RELIABILITY
More fringe media outlets that cater to specific political leans, BUT, they may include references that are helpful once tracked down.
WEAK
U-Tube (great entertainment, but short on facts, unless it includes an actual clip sucy as video of the Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting)
Blogs (tough some may inlcude references/links to good places, but likely would take a lot of time)
THEN THERE’S JUST PLAIN OLD RESEARCH such as gathering information about how the caucus system works and how it’s flawed.
512 kat in your hat
That is also good advice. I’ll still write up something that is not antogonistic for redtumble and reinforce your thoughts to give her the best options for this situation.
#524 storytellers.
Hi, is your “Enter” key on your keybord stuck? Your sentences are cut halfway in all your posts.
407 Zee @@@ just read your post about Brazila..
omg……..It made me laugh so hard !!!
keep up the good work..!!!! don’t think you will get you..
The one thing among many that turned me against Obama is that he supported infanticide. I believe in Roe vs Wade but not partial birth abortions or late term abortions. All the dems except for Obama voted for the bill to protect a babies life if born alive in a botched abortion. This is one thing that I could ever ignore. And because of this one thing I will never be able to vote for Obama. And then there is the Resko, Farrakhan, Wright and Ayers thing.
418 alohapuma
She’s probably claiming you are harassing her – that is if it’s not a bluff. Be sure you have saved all your correspondence. Also I hope you did not threaten her in anyway.
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Alohapuma, thank you for the advice! She’s just irate. I sent her no threats, but she did not say “stop harassing me” she called it “sending threats” as follows:
” Send it to the DNC if you think we’re open game. Otherwise, you will be added to a spam file and
turned it for sending threats.”
The thing is she’s actually corresponding with me…answering every one of my emails. I told her that and said if she wanted to falsely report threats that was on her.
But, no, I won’t be spontaneously sending her any more emails!
Anna7000, Joe Scarborough may be a resource also. I will get some of my non-blogger Pumas to help with gathering stats.
Mzebest and the other Puma (sorry I cannot remember your user name) who said that Bill’s comment about “hitting it out of the park” when he selected Biden was a jab – I thought so too. It was great.
528 Anna7000 ~~~ I just printed this post so I’ll have hardcopy by my computer for quick reference. If I think of anything that might be valis to add I will let you know.
#458 redtumble
The following is a copy of the letter I wrote Hillary on August 14. It contains the top reasons I won’t vote for Obama and will instead vote for McCain. If there’s anything here that you think you can use with your boss, please feel free.
It’s very tough talking with people who steadfastly support Obama because they’ve been unhappy with the last eight years under Bush. Who can argue the need for change when we’re all suffering so much? But we have to realize that even the best of candidates will not be able to deliver on all of their campaign promises. So whom do we trust to deliver the goods? And who will do the least harm?
Anyhow, use the following if it works for you. Good luck.
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Dear Hillary,
I’m thrilled to learn this morning that your name will be placed in nomination at the convention. That’s the best news I’ve heard since you suspended your campaign.
My letter today is largely a repeat of what I sent you two days ago. Today I’m writing with a special request that you forward copies of my letter to as many delegates and superdelegates as possible. I, too, will be contacting delegates and superdelegates, but I can’t reach them as quickly or effectively as you can. By working together, we can get the word out to as many people as possible.
Delegates and superdelegates need our encouragement and support against the overwhelming pressure they must be under to vote to Obama. You are by far the best candidate for President. If you are not our nominee, my friends and I will have to vote for John McCain in November. There’s nothing anyone can say or do that would convince us to vote for Obama.
My friends and I gave Obama fair consideration in the beginning. There was a time we favored a Clinton-Obama ticket. There was a time we might have voted for Obama if you asked us to. All of that is gone. The more we see Obama and listen to Obama, the more we dislike and distrust him. Most of my friends and I describe him as “scary.”
We don’t want Obama anywhere near the White House, where he will undoubtedly bring ruin to the United States. We don’t want him anywhere near you either, where he would undoubtedly ruin your political career. Even if you were nominated on the condition that you take Obama as your Vice President, I wouldn’t be comfortable. You don’t need to be tarnished by Obama’s considerable baggage. And I would fear for your safety daily, knowing how desperate Obama is to become President no matter what it takes.
There are many reasons why I won’t vote for Obama … and why I will instead vote for John McCain in November if Obama is the nominee. For the sake of brevity, I’ll cite only my top four … the real deal-breakers, the ones that no one, not even you, can argue against.
First came the Reverend Wright story. It’s human nature to embrace the attitudes of others around us when we want to fit in, to belong, and to be liked. Thus there’s every reason to believe that Obama embraces the hateful teachings of Revered Wright, despite his insistence to the contrary.
I find Obama to be dismissive of everyone and everything that doesn’t serve his immediate interests. I first noticed this when he refused to do additional debates with you, even though voters in upcoming primaries wanted to hear more debates. But now I see it in all of his actions. It was the same trait I saw in George Bush in 2000. It’s that very same dismissive tendency that led us into this horrible Iraq war. Obama would be just as dangerous to America and the world as George Bush is.
Throughout the primary season, Obama kept saying, “I welcome that debate with John McCain.” Yet he has repeatedly refused to do the ten town hall debates that John McCain proposed and that many voters would like to see. This, more than anything, reveals to me Obama’s character. It tells me he’s not a man of his word, that he cannot and will not reach across the aisle to work with Republicans, and that he doesn’t believe in transparency in government. It tells me that he fears John McCain will expose the lack of substance behind his rhetoric. And it tells me that he’s afraid to speak without a teleprompter and the scripted words of the DNC puppet masters.
Finally, I think Obama as President would spell economic disaster for the United States. I began fearing his economic policies when I saw how he would often outspend you by two-, three-, or four-to-one, but you consistently got more votes per dollar spent. Much fuss has been made about your campaign debt, but you know how to “do more with less.” John McCain, too, knows how to do more with less. He was nearly counted out last summer, yet he came back to win his party’s nomination on a shoestring budget.
Meanwhile, I see Obama spending obscene amounts of money on things that do little more than feed his ego (e.g., repainting his airplane and creating a phony presidential seal he had to abandon because of so much negative publicity). Obama spends money recklessly, as do many people who suddenly come into unearned wealth. I fear that he would be extremely wasteful with taxpayer money, and that America and Americans alike would be plunged into far greater debt than we have ever seen if Obama were President.
I understand the party line about how McCain’s position on many issues is different from yours and perhaps not what Democrats want. However, I see John McCain as a reasonable man of good character who can work across party lines for win-win solutions. I see Obama as a man of very bad character who cannot be trusted on any issue and who strictly plays win-lose. A McCain presidency would be far better than an Obama presidency in every conceivable way.
Again, please forward my letter to as many delegates and superdelegates as you can. That will help me reach a bigger audience than I can on my own.
Thank you for your consideration.
What does George Bush have that Obama wants?
8 years in the WhiteHouse. You can bet Obama has studied everythjing he can get his hands on about Bush.
Is anyone else still getting really rude email messages from delegates?
I just received two and the most recent was a true doozy. This guy just now responded to my letter from weeks ago requesting that the PA delegates sign the 300 petition. this is the new and improved dem party I guess. Pffft.
His response:
from “Hart, Donald” hide details 1:19 pm (3 hours ago)
to xxxxxxxxx@xxxx.com
date Aug 28, 2008 1:19 PM
subject Re: Denver Convention
mailed-by bacweb.org
Moron
Don Hart————————–
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
#518 Doria wrote: “With Hillary, BO used MoveON, DailyKos, and his internet minions to demonize her from the left while she was being shot at from the right. (It’s amazing how strong she still was.)”
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And that is my problem with the left wing media and the DNC that they turned on one of their own.
The Republican Factor………
In Pumapac and all associated supporters, you have total democracy in your organisation, when reading earlier entries, which will allow people to make up their own
minds as to how they will cast their vote, without any influence or pressure.
As an observer the main object, which I totally agree with, is to get Senator Clinton elected in 2012 as President.
Firstly Pumas will have to ensure that Senator Obama
fails in his bid and in my humble opinion, it is the Republin Vote which is the catalyst for this to happen.
The more voluntary votes (like it or not and I understand
how Democrats feel) that Senator McCain obtains from all the movements, under the umbrella .Just say no deal
will enhance
Senator McCain’s chances and at the same time improve all the hurt and annoyed Democrats’ chances to obtain their goal and confirm that Senator
will obtain her deserved place in the history of America
I feel that is the best way forward, in my own thoughts
on the issues ahead.
Good fortune, Shane, Ireland
Okay can any explain why Obama would need all this elaborate staging if he wasn’t all Flash and Cardboard Houses (as we call the facades on movie street stes).
If he had any type of real message he would walk out to the middle of the field that had a podium and mic and give a REAL speech about issues and not try to bury it in all this glitz and flash distraction.
Just called the Div. of Elections/SOS in FL. The woman asked counsel my concerns and whether we could stop Obama from becoming the nominee and was told NO. The DNC controls the Party and the Rules. The party nominated him thru the nominating process and he was nominated by acclimation. We really can’t do a thing and Hillary agreed to the acclimation and voted for him. I disagree with her decision to release pledged delegates and then giving them to Obama. We didn’t give her our votes to throw away. I did fax her campaign office and told her this was not cathartic, it only made me angrier. I say again, I would rather there would have been no roll call if it were going to be a farce. Just hold on to your delegates until the election, anything can happen. He didn’t need them, the election fix was in and they were going to crown him the Messiah, come hell or high water.
Anything that comes into my inboxes that I didn’t ask for or don’t want either gets put in the ‘spam’ box, or ‘reported as phishing scam’. Someone is going to have to sort out ALOT of DC and Obama emails.
Laurey – Who’s Joe Scarborough?
Living Grace – Thanks!
I don’t think the vast majority of voters realizes that the ‘roll call’ as seen on TV was a dham. In fact I don’t think many of them are very educated about election facts at all. Me included. I have learned alot since I joined PUMA early in June.
Wish we could start a educational and informativce, unbiased site to address these things.
The only way to continue the protest of this so called democratic process of this failed Democratic Party is to VOTE on election day to send the fraud of a candidate back to his Senate seat to learn that in this country the people, with their votes on election day, not talk on this blog or any other blog, will determine the Presidency.
NOT VOTING ON ELECTION DAY IS PRECISELY WHAT MOMIMBA AND HIS SLEZE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WANT…IF YOU WANT TO GET RID OF HIM AND DAMPEN ANY SUPPORT FOR THIS KIND OF TACTIC IN THE FUTURE YOU MUST VOTE, NOT STAY HOME. I INTEND TO VOTE MCCAIN. I AM, AS I HAVE SAID MANY TIMES, A LIFE LONG DEMOCRAT WHO WILL NEVER ADHER FOR ANY REASON TO WHAT HAS OCCURRED IN THIS PARTY.
I REMAIN A DEMOCRAT. I INTEND TO BRING MY PARTY BACK BY PUTTING DOWN WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. PERIOD.
#526 Kat in your hat ~
Executive experience as the Gov. of Texas from 1995 – 2000 hardly equals no experience to govern the country. There are many other past presidents who were govenors before becoming POTUS.
As for Rezko, he’s a political whore, giving where he thinks he can get. Rezko has contributed to both sides …. Pres. Bush and Pres. Clinton in the ‘90s and yes, Obama.
#526 kat in your hat on 08.28.08 at 4:18 pm #509:
Barack Obama lacks experience like Bush, needed the OLD guy (Biden/ Cheney) to validate their candidacy, and they both used the media to promote their candidacy.
Obama voted for Cheney’s energy bill and Bush’s FISA Bill. Obama also wants to expand faith-based programs like Bush.
Rezko was a long time friend of Obama’s and helped raise a lot of money for Obama. Rezko also raised a lot of money (nearly 3 million) for Bush.
Fox, Bishop blasts Pelosi, coming up? Also, McCain picks his running made, don’t know who it is
Joe Scarbourgh a former senetor from Florida. Now on MSNBC
@458 redtumble:
I’m actually a little ticked off that your employer pushed his political agenda onto you.
I know that all working environments are different, but I think it is very out of line. I’m sort of strict about that kind of stuff. The employer is in a position of authority and in a definite way, controls the immediate destiny of their employees lives.
In another way, it also causes the employee to feel even more subserviant and controlled at work because it feels like one needs to censor their opinions and even act in a way that is not true to oneself.
This is one of my main issues with all forms of authority: the subordinate role diminishes the sense of individualism I consider inherently human, and intrinsically American.
I would feel unhappy in that environment. But I am sometimes disgruntled easily! lol.
Politics, like religion…tricky tricky.
Boy, they really like talking BS about PUMA & Murphy.
PUMA.” That’s the Hillary loyalists’ adopted moniker, standing for “Party Unity My A**.” Almost a third of them say they’ll vote for McCain this November rather than Obama. The PUMAs are considered the convention’s wild card, too; rumors have swirled for weeks that they’ll stage an embarrassing pro-Hillary stunt on live TV, perhaps during the nomination itself. “It seems to be a little more of a problem than I anticipated,” admitted Democratic Party chairman Don Fowler just hours before Hillary Clinton stepped behind the podium. “All you need is 200 people in that crowd to boo and stuff like that and it will be replayed 900 times. And that’s not what you want out of this.”
Should have said “now” he works for MSNBC
#101 Asian4Hillary
re. whether the delegate vote for legal, since many Hillary supporters voted for McCain …. I assumed it became legal as soon as Hillary released her delegates –which is why she was so pressured to do that. And she did it, right before the voting.
Anyone know anything more about this?
Here is the whole article, go to paragraph 4 and click the links..
http://www.againsthillary.com/2008/08/27/its-all-about-me/
#531 KENDALBLUE
Heh…glad you got a belly laugh…even after alohapuma’s serious advice I just can’t help laughing either….the biggest “threat” I sent was that the voters would vote Obama down in November!
Imagine that…DEMOCRACY is a THREAT to these frauds!
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btw, PUMAs, I love the ideas of emailing/faxing Jimmy Carter and I think that should be a prowl. (156 Ladyhawkke)
I also like the idea of sending stories to Greta. (thanks 477 Remember November)
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Bruce…did you see this article? “How many will be FORCED to go to see Barack tonight??”
http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/how-many-at-invesco-field-will-be-there-because-theyve-been-coerced-heres-a-true-example/
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Sheesh, a few more shout outs…
#65 Rodham in Flag
Thank you for the delegate run-down…I want to target those 3 defectors in MA and all the NH defectors…
and
#501 mlhath
thank you for representing us in Denver, rest up!
and thanks to those who posted the comeuppance of Judas Richardson #54 doria and #233 Beca4Hillary
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and finally,
#141 wontbackdown
omg!!!! If they are arresting major news producers for photographing the truth maybe I ought to be a little more scared of Donna!!
Living Grace – Adding to your last post, I was floored to find out that it seemed many, if not most, of the pledged delegates were somewhat clueless as to the rules. One would think that once all pledged delegates have been selected they would receive some sort of informational packet from the DNC regarding convention procedures, protocols, etc. Wierd.
Library of Congress, or Congressional Record records, possibly as sources?
523 Headclunker
Glad to hear that.
#509 curiousferret
“I never heard Obama compared to Bush before I came to this site. I really want to hear more about this from you guys.”
Well they both are shooting for faith based initiatives… only Obama will take it to a new level since the faiths he supports will be the Black Liberation Theology. They both promoted FISA with immunity to AT&T and any other communication companies aiding to spy on innocent people. Obama has learned the lesson well from Bush on how to use voter fraud to gain power and is taking it to new levels by adding his Saul Alinsky tactics and training to provide the goon power to intimidate non-Obama supporters at the polls. This translates into a loss of the 1st Amendment along with the protection of voter rights, and the loss of our 4th Amendment through FISA. He also likes to use Bush tactics of fear to convince us we need to vote for him or else our world will crumble with the other guys. I could site the fact that his VP choice has been compared to Chenney on numerous occasions. The similarity of the inexperienced Pres. relying on the militant, arrogant VP. Or what about the similarity of how Bush never takes responsibility for any of his crimes against the people or his bad lack in judgement? Oh wait… Obama has that same trait too. It’s so refreshing to watch Obama use the same excuse of “That’s not the person I thought I knew,” applied to all his associates that cause him pain in the polls as they get scrutinized. Obama also likes to send out surrogates to do his dirty work so he has an alibi if it goes badly and can deny knowing anything about it. A surrogate to criticize McCain’s war record, a surrogate to accuse Clinton of racism, a surrogate (MSNBC NEWS) to accuse McCain of cheating at Saddleback, and the list goes on and on.
Uh… gee… on second thought… maybe the similarities are just too hard to see for anyone with their eyes closed.
264
I believe I hard that Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton do not like each other big time. Hence the BO endorsement!
So, you’ll allow debate, but you stil deleted my comment about checking out what Obama really stands for. Ok . . . . talk about silencing voices. And calling someone a Troll because they support a candidate that is that you don’t like isn’t a good way to be taken seriously.
Obama talks specifically about equalizing the playing field for women in the workplace, mandating federally sponsored healthcare for everyone. McCain talks about lowering corporate taxes as a means to stimulate economic growth, minimizing mandates for healthcare, and freezing discretionary spending for a year!! That means no spending to rebuild our infrastructure, or initiatives to inject sustainable energy practices into our economy, no additional funding to help the disadvantaged.
You seem to be protesting based on your personal disappointments rather than what is good for our nation.
#543 LivingGrace on 08.28.08 at 4:34 pm
Anything that comes into my inboxes that I didn’t ask for or don’t want either gets put in the ’spam’ box, or ‘reported as phishing scam’. Someone is going to have to sort out ALOT of DC and Obama emails.
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I do the same thing. Spamming is illegal and so is phishing. They won’t get prosecuted or anything but if there are enough reports against them they’ll have to deal with the hassle. LOL
Thanks kat in your hat for the info. I’ve sort of been out of the media loop for a while, so I apologize if, and probably when, I sound like an idiot.
Thanks again for the info on Obama, if anyone has any more examples of BO’s policies being similar to Bush I’d love to hear them. All I’ve heard this week from the media is how McCain is like Bush. They had some crazy statistic.
By the way, does anyone here know where I can get their voting records?
#31 Rodham in Flag
You wanted to know what local people are saying.
Well here in Green Bay they don’t even want to talk politics they are feed up with it and other comments are “Hillary let us down!”
They aren’t understanding that it wasn’t about Hillary that it was the DNC.
They need to personalize it because they know nothing about the DNC and what was supposed to actually happen legitimately. They go to the poll and vote for the person that fits them or they like the best and that is the end of it.
What I know for sure is that tonight Obama won’t have much airtime here in Green Bay because the Packers game takes presidence!…LOL
I do know though that one of our biggest and most important jobs is in EDUCATION of the public……not just the negatives of this year but on but on all the minute aspects of what is supposed to go on as-is and then on the way things should be Constitutionally and for Real Citizen Rights.
# 551 Beca4Hillary – Yeah. And it was funky last night when Hillary stopped the roll call to make Obama’s nomination final, when the Chairwoman said, “All those in favor?” and there was a resounding, “Aye!” Then, she said, “All of those opposed?” and there wasn’t a split second allowed to find out how loud that might be. They skipped right to making it official. Gggrrrrrrrrrrr
#385 emme
I would be happy to send you more posters – you have mail. Anyone wanting more NoBama posters please email me at fred08puma@gmail.com
We have a renewed focus. NoBama is my mantra.
I posted last night about re e-mailing delegates to express our disappointment and concern for the shame of a convention. Any one else think it is worth the effort?
I wouuld add to what I said
I have not gone to the republican site, nor obimbo
for now
in no way I am a republican
but
NOW I FELL THAT NEVER BEFORE “IN MY ADULT LIFE” THE COUNTRY WAS ON PERIL AS NOW
I always though the institutions would stand any political
quake, but this believe is starting to fade away
#527 mick
Bush was ill-prepared to be POTUS and was given Cheney to “babysit” him.
O is even more ill-prepared to be POTUS, even though he now has Biden is at his side to “babysit” him.
Look where the last 8 years has taken us with in inept President. O will just be 4 more years of an inept President, just more ‘O-Bush. And we can’t afford another blundering idiot in OUR White House, stumbling around, inarticulate without a teleprompter, “leading” the United States further and further into an even bigger mess.
Someone posted this downstairs as the reason behind the orange pantsuit. Interesting reading:
http://ncrcafe.org/node/2020
556 Anna7000~~~ One would think. But then, I think by far the vast majority of us in this country have taken our electoral processes for granted since we took social studies in school, if we even made it that far. As far as I know, major newspapers articles are written so that someone with an 8th grade education can comprehend them. Or has that changed now? It’s always so easy to sit on our laurels and ‘let sonebody else do it.’
I just recently resigned after two years as recording secretary for a county wide organization here because of that and the lack of cooperation I encountered.
#547 mick:
I realize that Bush was a governor, and as I recall, more criminals died by capital punishment in his state, during his term, than in all of American history at that time? Perhaps even to this day. I think #2 was Jeb Bush in Florida, true or false?
Bush was a governor, but I believe he really got that job due to connections with his father, and also because (I think) he was running against Ann Richards, and there is that whole gender discrimination issue.
Rezko is a political whore, but his pimp was always Nadhmi Auchi. Considering Obama has had a very long-term friendship with Rezko, I consider it very worrisome.
Anna7000,
I saw it, I was sad when I saw Hillary doing that.
NJ1313 – I think we each should do what we feel is right and satisfies a way we feel we need to have our voice heard. But, since you’ve asked, I’m wondering when you say “delegates”, do you mean pledged delegates or super delegates?
Voting in my mind is a simple process. Vote for whoever reflects your values and beliefs. It is easy to analyze candidates voting records and determine who fits best with you. Voting isn’t tactical, its an expression of your soul. Libertarians = free markets and free people, nonviolence and nonintervention. Republicans = free markets, state-controlled morality, violence to achieve political ends (military and police). Simple choice for me.
For all we have done and continue to do, this abortion issue could do the Dems in. Pelosi is as nuts as Obama, spouting St. Augustin. Here’s the catholic website regarding infanticide and Obama.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=26868
4Hillary: You say you have been here for 3 days, Great.
we have been at this for 3 months and Obimba has been out there for almost 10 months. You need to do your own research on him. At this point, we are moving on to other issues and really are not going to get into standard Obama clone issues. This is an ANTIOBAMA SITE. We have other fish to fry than to rehash him. Our next steps will be about crushing his campaign and sending him back to the Senate, as well as continuing to act to renew and rebuild the Party….
Living Grace – Yup. (and i think it’s 6th grade education, but don’t quote me)
#556 Anna7000
How could the delegates be expected to know the rules when Obama and the DNC kept changing and twisting them to fit their evil purposes?
#561 curiousferret ~
Here’s an unbiased look at their records ~
http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm
#561 curiousferret on 08.28.08 at 4:43 pm
By the way, does anyone here know where I can get their voting records?
Hannity said that BO is trying to shut down a radio show in Chicago because they want to put on a critic of Obama? Silence the opposition – I only “heard” this on the radio and cannot prove this! But it has to do with BO’s radical associations with Ayers, etc.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MmUwOTllNmMzZDNlMTljMGFmY2JkZTllYmQyOTY0ODY=&w=MQ==
Barack Obama, Aspiring Commissar
Barack and cronies trying to shut this story down
Hopefully there will be an 18 million drop in viewers of the Great One’s speech tonight. Or more. by now everyone should know what the Impostor is all about.
(August 13, 2008) “Ohio early-voting law may offer students instant gratification” (Colombus Dispach)
Our first front:
OH ALERT!!!!!
Alert everybody about the upcoming massive voter fraud in OH.
I heard BHO’s campaign are going to use the loophole and win OH that way. I heard that from a campaign worker.
Any ideas?
Quote:
Allowing voters to cast their ballots weeks before Election Day is a growing trend. More than a dozen states permit early voting, and more than two dozen provide an absentee ballot to any registered voter for any reason. The battleground states of Colorado, Florida, Nevada and New Mexico allow voters both options.
In Ohio, Republicans are clearly not pleased with same-day registration and voting and have not ruled out a lawsuit against Democratic Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner’s office.
“You have to wonder, when they look at what they consider a loophole with such excitement,” said Jason Mauk, the Ohio Republican Party’s executive director. “That would suggest manipulating the process, and I think opens the door to suspicion.”
The voting window, so far, is only being implemented in some counties – typically, urban areas or those with college campuses – leading Republicans to cry foul.
“The prospect of someone coming in with no ID and registering and voting is contrary to every sort of protection that legislators and lawmakers have built into this system for decades,” said Kevin DeWine, a Republican lawmaker who is poised to take over the state party after the election. “The processes and the law and the systems in our 88 counties are not equipped to handle same-day registration.”
People in Ohio can register without identification, but they have to show some sort of ID to vote.
State lawmakers accidentally made the window before the 2006 elections. Obama’s campaign is eager to take advantage of it this year.
http://www.dispatch.co/live/content…io_voting.html
542 ladyhawkke on 08.28.08 at 4:34 pm
Just called the Div. of Elections/SOS in FL. The woman asked counsel my concerns and whether we could stop Obama from becoming the nominee and was told NO. The DNC controls the Party and the Rules….
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When we were discussing this issue before, we were discussing who controls how someone gets onto the ballot, not how someone is nominated. If I understood things correctly…
The DNC makes up the rules how someone gets nominated and the DNC can change the rules whenever they feel like it. But the states decide who goes on the ballot and presidential candidates (D and R) must be on a state’s ballot in order for anyone to vote for them in that state. At least that’s how I understood it when jdjb explained it.
Could you email me at myname (w/out spaces) plus PUMA at geeee male. I need to ask you something. Thanks!
Hey Firebelle!!!! Yeah, I know, but I do believe there are a set of rules. And I have a hunch those rules allow a great deal of leeway for how things can unfold. Political machines are a whole seperate animal from normal laws and society customs in many ways. Past conventions have also been rigged and highly choreographed. But, this year, with the race so close and the media and DNC so biased, the show because a far more serious affair to contend with than in prior years. At least that’s how I view it.
#492 Dragonfly and #495 livingGrace.
Thank you. Just had a moment there earlier. Am quite touchy right now about the media spin. Know I should not let it get to me, but it has over time. All the crap thrown at these two fine public servants. Sure they’ve got their flaws, and certainly their ambitions, but they are just human beings just like the rest of us, trying to do the right thing for our country. But what they are not, nor should they be expected to be the saviors for the BO man’s losing campaign. And the media just won’t let that idea die, that the Clintons still need to do more to “boost him” him. For cripes sake, she’s gone above and beyond – at least publicly – and that should be all that’s expected. We all know they know BO is not POTUS material, but just cannot say that now. It’s just so darned frustrating.
Anyway, thanks for shaking me out of my hysteria! LOLOL I’m not going anywhere, may need to take a short break after this long shlog through a this nightmare of a political silly season, but I’ve still got some Puma fight in me.
I wish we had a’parent group’ that could assimilate and record everything important coming from:
Alegre’s Corner Anglachel ByTheFault Cannonfire Confluence correntewire Daily Growl dailyhowler Heidi Li’s Potpourri Hillarygreenmountain HillaryNow JustSayNoDeal LadyBoomerNYC LogisticsMonster NObama Network Not Your Sweetie ObamaWire Oneof18million Peacocks and Lilies People of Color PUMA (pocpuma) Red Hot and Blue Politics Shakesville SuperGram The Denver Group Twisty unbroken circles Women State .
re#573 james
yeah,it would be a ‘feel good ‘ to vote 3rd party ..
but what good will it do to feel good if obama gets elected…
I don’t understand why people can’t get it through their heads that if you stay home,write in or vote 3rd party you are helping elect obama.. wouldn’t voting for mccain be the only way of denying obama the presidency?
its so simple. it’s ridiculous
One thing that sends red flags up for me on that COLB that they keep using is that it was filed with the register on Aug. 8, 1961…4 days after his birth.
As a very very long time geneology researcher I have never yet seen that the Registrar ever filed it that quickly….most are a month or 2 later or even more before it gets registrated and recorded in the logs. And especially this being a State document makes that date very questionable.
Anna7000
thanks for answering. I just used the lobbydelegates.com one more time to contact NJ delegates. I was so angry about the roll call & Gov. Corzine that I thought maybe a speedy reply to the shame would be noticed.
PS Also Gov. C is not well liked here in NJ. He is like Horses___. Everywhere. He’s been on MSNBC (when I still watched it ~ mostly Morning Joe)so much and he was always where Hillary was in the primary when it was in the tri-state area. What a two face, He joins Richardson on my black list.
#414MICK: Where ya at…? oops ..another one of those ending preps….Where ya at, DAWLIN??? Oh..I love it…Good for you…hope I would have been as quick!
NObamaDem~~~ NP, I’m glad you decided to stick with us. For sure, most of us have, and still will, those ‘moments’ when we wonder if it’s worth it. but if it wasn’t, we wouldn’t be here now.
Hi,
Geraldine Ferraro about Hillary’s speech, Convention, etc. – and PUMA:
http://www.bythefault.com/2008/08/28/geraldine-ferraro-on-the-clintonistas-desires/
#583 jody in florida on 08.28.08 at 4:54 pm
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My understanding is the same. We are talking strictly about the individual states’ laws for a general election candidate, regardless of that candidate’s party affilitation, getting their name placed on the state’s ballot as a candidate for POTUS. State’s have control over their ballots, not the Dem or Repub or Green or any other Party.
NJ1313 – Be aware that what we saw on the convention floor in terms of the sham of a distortion of how votes were reflected were the results of pledged delegates votes, not the super delegates. Lobbydelegates web site has contact info for the super delegates. As far as I know, there is no data base with e-mails for the pledged delegates, only snail mail addresses. I don’t even know if or when the SD’s voted yesterday, if at all, since Obama was officially nominated before they even finished the pledged delegates voting. (I’m actually kind of curious how, when or if the voting finished up behind the scenes.)
I just wanted to thank everyone but especially MAMAPUMA. I love that woman! What a show of courage and strength from her this week. She was tireless in her efforts to make sure everything went smoothly and spoke eloquently to the press at the drop of a hat. That woman has become one of my heroes, for her show of strength, resolve, commitment, intelligence, class and beauty.
Thank you MAMAPUMA, from the bottom of my heart.
OMG!!!! LMAO!! The Obama Camp says it would be ‘political malpractice’ for McCain to announce his VP pick today!!!
hahahahahaha What about your Brainwash Camps, Barack?????
#564 freddiebrown – you have mail. And THANK YOU!!!
I am soooo determined…
Hello fellow PUMAs! Just saw Harriet Christian on FOX news. She was great as always! She did not let Neal Cavuto intimidate her. Cavuto was saying that he isn’t seeing the dissenting faction and that everyone is now on board with Obama. She made it clear that this was not the case. Bravo, Harriet.
The list I have is of super Delegates.
ladyhawkke
Do you know what the rules are in Fl as far as a “write in vote” for Hillary?
Harriet Christan on your world with Cavuto. I am in love with that woman!!! How can we get in touch with her to send her kudos.
#596 LivingGrace – Not surprised, sounds like he wants to run unopposed like he did for the IL senate race.
Murphy:
I hope this will not offend anyone and you may delete this post if necessary.
I was thinking just how ironic it is that you had to vote for John back in 2000 in order to prevent Bush Jr., now 8 years later we (The Puma PAC) has to go through the same scenario with the messiah.
However, this time we will not be denied.
On another note, it was such a great idea for Puma PAC to be in Denver, because it catapulted PUMA into a world known entity.
Just as it has been said before, I vote for country and not party. I believe now that of the candidates for president that are running Bob Barr is the best and most represents my values. My vote for him is one less democrat voting for Obama. That defection hurts him. Math is simple, if you have two oranges and take away one, you have one left. It doesn’t matter where that orange goes, it is one less. I cannot in good conscience support someone who chants “Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran” and thinks it is funny when in reality it is frightening and sad. I don’t understand why people believe that we must exercise force against others to achieve political ends when force hasn’t been used against us. If I vote for McCain, and he bombs Iran, I would have helped kill innocent people. It may not be murder with my own hands, but it is still murder; murder by proxy.
#544 Anna7000 on 08.28.08 at 4:35 pm
Laurey – Who’s Joe Scarborough?
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The answer is not so simple. Joe Scar is one of the orchestrators of the rightwing takeover, altho he appears, and probably personally is, more moderate.
He’s a snake and not to be trusted.
He used to give seminars on the takeover. They started on school boards, then moved to public office. Scar himself used to fly back to Florida from DC to attend school board meetings. There was a mom’s group who tried to watchdog him.
The next two steps in the national takeover include journalism and the arts. Joe Scar dumped the mother of his sons for an aide (who was reportedly pregnant but I don’t think a bay resulted). He then ran for office even tho he knew he was moving on from both his marriage and his office. He did it so there would not be a fair election and the Dems could not mount a campaign for the seat. He claimed he was resigning to spend time with his sons but he dumped them, too, and moved to NYC with his slut so he could move into TV punditry.
I could go on about the plans to take over the arts but that’s another whole story.
PUMAs should have nothing to do with Joe Scar. On top of his sleazy rise to TV, another aide of his, Lori Klausutis, dropped dead in his Florida office, bludgeoned to death. He himself called the media and lied that she had a “history of health problems” (I sourced this myself). Lori was young, vibrant and healthy and died from hemorrhaging due to severe blows to the head that left multiple fractures in her skull. Gov. at the time Jeb Bush allowed a medical examiner who was unlicensed and kicked out of another state for fraud to sign off on this outrage.
I am adamantly opposed to allowing Joe Scar to become mainstreamed.
Let’s deal with Greta and not legitimize Joe Scarborough.
#550 Kat
It was a challenge not to “snap” because of everything we have been fighting for and I did think he was crossing the line and what made it worse is that someone snickered at what he was saying and that added fuel to the fire. I am chalking it up to his ignorance. He has no clue what has been going on. He only knows what the media shows and they show only high gloss for the Golden Boy.
I think we should make up T-shirts and bumper stickers that say “DON’T BLAME ME, I VOTED FOR HILLARY” and put ” ’08 ” in parentheses at the end (because she will be President some day).
After McCain wins it will make the point that whatever mistakes McCain makes are the result of Obama’s primary voters as much as anyone else, because they should have known he couldn’t win the GE and Hillary could have and would have!
If anyone sees video of Nancy Pelosi denying the delegates the opportunity to say “nay” last night during the acclamation debacle PLEASE POST. If that was not the most blatant, quintessential example of the manipulation of the democratic process – I don’t know what it is. How dreadful if someone had yelled their conscience……
@561:
Yes, McCain has voted along Bush lines a lot, but only very recently. I do think it is partly or even mainly because he was going to run for president, and knew that he needed the conservative base that Bush snatched up so easily.
McCain is anti-terrorism, for sure, which is like Bush. They both want to stay and end the war in Iraq.
Bush’s biggest problem of all was constantly, and I mean CONSTANTLY talking about war and radical Islam. I think there is some kind of obsession within certain parts of the republican party as far as radical Islam.
There is NO DOUBT that we have serious–even grave threats from terrorism (no doubt, no doubt), but Bush never inspired me at all. I know we have the best military, and I know we fight for the democracy of others, and I AM glad Saddam is gone, but crap…Bush was such a one trick pony.
Anyway, McCain, at the very least has voted with the democrats in the past. McCain does not follow an extremist religious philosophy, and he also wants to fight global warming.
I like McCain’s wife. I think volumes can be said that Cindy adopted their daughter from Bangladesh without John McCain even knowing at first. I love that she travels the world, visiting impoverished Nations, and she does so with little fanfare, and without her husband. I respect that.
McCain camp needs to be smart and not automatically think they get all puma votes, and I would appreciate if they sent a strong signal to all women that they are not the anti-woman party/ or that McCain is the anti-woman candidate. They need to make a strong case, and I think they know that.
We will see.
Harriet Christian EXCELLENT. Nobody shuts her down!!!!
Thanks again Anna for clearing that up for me. But I am still glad I sent ~~ I said…
I am so very unset with the Democratic Party and the shame of an election process. I believe the Party headed by Howard Dean and likely Nancy Pelosi contrived to make history. They selected a candidate that would put the Party and themselves in the history books. I guess the race card trumps gender for top billing!
Needless to say I will not be a member of a Party that is so undemocratic in its practice. In theory my heart is still with the Democrats, but until the day comes when there is true reform, honesty and equity I will be known as Independent! I will remember in November ~ No Way No How NoObama and any other Democrat that is running!!
I don’t post much and don’t stay too long so if I abruptly disappear thats why.
If anything ever happened to Obama, macho, egotistical Biden would take over…..that’s creepy.
Harriet Christian was just on FOX and called the
roll call a scam, said she believes democrats against Obama has now gone from about 3 million to 5 million,
and expressed our anger with the dem party beautifully ” the dnc doesn’t choose who the voters want, they choose who they want”.
Well done Harriet.
#600 rockinrollsilverpuma I called my election office a couple of months ago. Write-ins are only allowed if the candidate requests them and must sign off. I asked if Hillary signed off and she said no. Pumas, I would be very careful of write-ins, it will not stop Obama. Even if your state allowed it, it is not good enough. Third parties usually don’t help either, but if I were going to do anything, I would vote third party before I did a write in as it’s a wasted vote.
My son just made his first political statement…lol
What is the Big Deal…..Obama is not a full blooded African nor is he American (pending birth certificate)
I would like everyone to consider the immense so called voter registration move that is continuing within the Democratic Party and Mobimba campaign. I would like you to take very seriously the fraudulent registrations that have been noted in newspapers all over this country, including my own. This is a very old sleze tactic in old time street politics. And, it can turn an election. This is the reason that I impore everyone not to stay home on election day. We are now beyond theoretical, or idealistic political discourse and action, we are now in the trenches of what it takes and does not take to win an election on the ground. EVERY VOTE IS NEEDED TO DEFEAT THIS FRAUD. Please do not disenfranchise yourself, even as every manner of fraudeulent voter is being recruited by Obama and his surrogates. Nothing has changed from their angle. It will continue to election day and beyond.
#604 JamesLF
I don’t think we’re supposed to advocate for candidates here. And I wish the abortion issue would be left for elsewhere, too.
But I do have to laugh because Bob Barr advocates his own execution. He’s for KILLING doctors, mothers, all involved with abortion, but hey..when it comes to his own life he drove his second wife to the abortion clinic and paid for the baby-murder (as he calls it) because he was ready to move on to Wifey #3 and wive 2′s pregnancy was a …. complication.
Maybe this will teach some not to come here and advocate if they don’t want their candidate’s soiled undies to be aired.
Hey everyone!
I for one will not be watching the coronation tonight (I have to wash my hair) however, for those of you who feel the need, here are some suggestions to make your viewing experience more enjoyable.
1. One night a group of us were going to watch Ferenheit 911, but had decent from folks who thought it would be boring. we turned it into a drinking game. Everytime Bush said or did something stupid, you had to drink. Needless to say, we were lit by the end. So tonight, everytime BO says or does something stupid, drink! I guarantee you will be happy by the end of the night
2. This suggestion from Rush Limbaugh (don’t throw things at me please) Take a piece of paper and write something that applies to BO such as “I don’t know what I’m talking about, I have no experience”. Tape piece of paper to bottom corner of TV. Anytime you feel yourself being sucked in, look at paper and remind yourself what we are fight against.
I hope you brave people find these suggestions humorous and helpful!!
@606 redtumble:
I KNOW, it is beyond frustrating to talk to Obots who just watch MSNBC, etc.
I am sorry to say, I am incapable of even talking to Obots in person. I tried a few times, and let me tell you, I simply cannot do it anymore. In my mind, I just pity them, and see them as such gullible fools. I truly judge them for it, and so, I know it is seen in my eyes and heard in my tone of voice for sure.
I get too disgusted, so I just try not to talk politics with Obots.
A friend of mine said that he heard that they are not letting anyone park near Invesco field and they are making everyone park extremely far away and they will be bused in to control every aspect of the audience’s lives. While that would make sense with what to expect from BO — I thought I heard on the news this morning that people are allowed to park near Invesco field as long as they are willing to pay $2000 to do so. Has anyone heard anything on this or posted any story links for it? Talk about redistribution of wealth (all in the direction of BO). The average citizen has to contribute $2000 for the convenience of parking within walking distance? What a guy. (last sentence was sarcasm for those that might have read it otherwise)
#605 Zee is right about not legitimizing Joe Scarborough. I don’t know all his background, but I have seen him engage in the same misogyny and sexism we have seen from the other msnbc jerks. He may want ratings, but he doesn’t want honest, legitimate reporting.
IMHO
#616 New Orleans Puma, whom I hope is safe from the storm!!
Great point!!
The kids notoriously do not actually show up to vote but the REGISTRATIONS can be used as FAUX TALKING POINTS to explain fraud and a stolen election.
We need to address this!!!
Does anyone know of a side by side comparison of the candidates, hopefully including Sen. Clinton? I saw one a few weeks ago and now can’t find it.
#620 mzebest,
that’s not all – I heard you had to pay $1000 for the “free admission” or contribute your time to clean up to get in “free”
#605 Zee That is some story, I am boycotting MSNBC and CNN. After reading that, the guy is a real dirtbag. I also can’t stand Mika Brezinski and her father who backs Obama.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski
Living Grace #586
That’s a good idea.
How about people volunteering to cull highlights from various Just Say No Deal sites and post summaries here, along with links to the sites.
…same with culling the important news items, like from news-sites (many of us are already doing this), with brief summaries and links to the stories.
McCain shows he is a class act.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4KIvRTg6KQ
I vote for country and not party. Yes, I like that but it is also about just what is right. I just watched my party put us threw hell on earth and then kiss make up and say it is all OK. It is not.
They stood at the cross roads and sold there soles.
They have lied and lied and lied,.. I am done, finished.
I don’t care if I am the last person on earth to say it is not OK,.. I make my stand.
Hillary has a paper thin chance with me now but Bill? I can’t. Disgust, that is all I feel. Disgust and pity.
There is nothing to these people. They are but light and shadow dancing on the screen. Nothing substantial.
It turns out they were just words after all.
I am looking for a hero.
if hillary and bill were not compromised and were free to tell you what they in their heart of hearts want us to do now I would bet anything that they would tell us not to vote for the “chicago thug” but rather to vote for MCCAIN so hillary can win in 2012…
see it’s so simple isnt it? you dont have to be a rocket scientist to get it..
you want to help hillary then doesnt it make sense to vote for mccain so she can beat him in 2012.. am i the only one that is seeing this here or what?
616 NewOrleansPuma ~~~ Exactly!!! If we don’t defeat him in the election, that leaves only one alternative~~~~that of a third world country.
Thanks Zee and others for the update on Joe.
Remember November – I don’t think it was Pelosi who ran the roll call. I think it was the Chairperson, but I don’t rcall her name. Just know she drove me batty with her fake sounding voice and facial expressions.
jadwiga – Thanks for the link to the ferraro piece. Eloquent, of course. Disappointed at the very end, though, where I thought she gave too much importance to what Obama will say tonight. For me, his words carry no weight in increasing credibililty. I was surprised Ferraro gave him that much leeway to potentially woo those on the fence.
If you don’t mind having Rush Limbaug sign go to his site and print out …
” I don’t know what I’m talking about. I
I have no experience.”
Stick it on top of TV while you watch tonight IF you watch (which I won’t) I just printed the sign to have it to show a friend who supports BO while her husband is a R and love Rush!!
I don’t like the man but while driving today I listened to him for the 1st time (I don’t know what is happening to ME!!) Anyway I just like hearing some negatives about BO.
626 LandiPUMA~~~ Yes, if we don’t save and archive all this important information it will be lost forever.
Landipuma – Whoever does this might consider saving whatever they find. I really hope Murphy will set up some kind of repository, or as Living Grace thought, an Archives, to dump this stuff so it doesn’t get lost on the blog. In my view, organizing the web site should be a priority so we have resources and tools to move forward without wasting time reinventing the wheel, reposting, etc.
#613 Kelligesq on 08.28.08 at 5:13 pm
I saw it too.
from Ruth Marcus piece today in WP, last line “Obama’s task is to convince voters that he understands them, but without leading them to question whether he knows himself.” somebody already posted this probably but it is a sign of loosening of press drank the Koolaid hysteria
also just heard Carter said to AP, McCain is exploiting prisoner of war stuff, Whoa Jimmy. You try it and see if you like it.
#624 Dragonfly
“that’s not all – I heard you had to pay $1000 for the “free admission” or contribute your time to clean up to get in “free””
~~~~~~
That one I heard… but when he got publicity on that tidbit… he suddenly shut down the secret website collecting the funds… but I was wondering if there were any official reports on the $2000 parking space? (which might cause that idea to be shut down too if the public became aware of it)
Funny, not supposed to advocate for candidates? I see more pro-mccain posts here than at the RNCs website. But in all seriousness I am just posting to explain my vote. I don’t care how others vote. People are capable of change though. Bob Barr used to tow the Republican line. He quit the party when he saw the disaster that was created by doing so. I don’t criticize McCain for helping the North Vietnamese Army create a propaganda video where he trashes the United States.
Here is the truth:
http://www.ontheissues.org/GA/Bob_Barr.htm
Go McCain
ironically, http://www.williamclinton.com goes directly to john mccain’s website.
The Obama campaign has made it clear that they do not need us – a stance reinforced by their treatment of Hillary and Bill. They badly need the numbers though, so their strategy for November is to recruit new troops to replace our votes. As shown by an email to his wife and posted by Rugger_in_LA (POST #77) from the Obama camp during the roll call yesterday:
“THEN THIS WEEKEND WE’LL KICK OFF THE BIGGEST VOTER REGISTRATION AND MOBILIZATION DRIVE IN THE HISTORY OF POLITICS”
I believe it. They probably have a gigantic database already – all their interactions seem to involve the gathering of contact and other personal information. It was reported on Fox earlier that at a concert (today?) they plan to capture the phone numbers from the calls made from the ‘fans’ to their friends to add to their database (75,000 fans – are cell phones allowed into the stadium?). They have been ahead of the curve on this one, you have to admit, and they have worked very hard on voter registration. Camps to train people for November? We must not underestimate the potential they have created.
I just hope that, in addition to all our efforts, that the McCain camp has a really BIG October surprise. September would be fine too!
Hi everyone………Here we go again! Maryland Puma left Denver at 11:50 their time would be 1:50 EST. She is on Flight 1524 and should have arrived at Charlotte, NC at 5:02 EST. I tried to find out the status of the flight but cannot figure out how to do it. I only got the flight information but not if the plane has landed. Someone please help me find out!!
Thanks,
Once again a worried Mom
I will be so glad when she gets home!
LADYHAWKE
LADYHAWKE
LADYHAWKE
LADYHAWKE
LADYHAWKE
ATTENTION LADYHAWK
RE: DONT GIVE OUR VOTE TO MC CAIN FOR FREE
PLEASE DO NOT/NOT/NOT/NOT/NOT/NOT SEND/FAX/MAIL OUT MY “PLATFORM” OF ISSUES
TO ANYONE.
I HAVE SENT IT TO MURPHY FOR HER OPINION, ADDITIONALLY IT IS ONLY A PROFORMA AND NOT A FINAL PRODUCT –
IF ANYONE IS TO PRESENT IT TO MC CAIN’S CAMP I HAVE SAID IT SHOULD BE MURPHY AS SHE IS RECOGNIZED AS THE LEADER OF THIS GROUP – IF WE RUN OFF WILLY-NILLY WE DILUTE THE POWER OF THE GROUP.
Please acknowledge my request. I hve just started posting here after lurking for many months, since I post elsewhere on other sites, especially writehillaryin.com. And I would not like to have to stop sharing my ideas here if they are acted on with out careful thought and preparation – which would be embarrassing to the group and to me.
thanks, I’m sure you understand.
K.
Party Unity My Arse
637 JamesLF on 08.28.08 at 5:27 pm
ditto for you and Jimmy, try it and see if you like it
#627 Christine…ooooh!!!!!! I am in love with Dr. Evil lookalike Steve Schmidt!!!! (McCain’s new campaign director) They are obviously letting the DNC know that THEY KNOW the fix was in three years ago when they set the nomination acceptance for this “historic” night!!
#625 ladyhawkke
Google Lori Klausutis and you can read more. Many people did more than I did to research this story. The sad thing was that Joe Scar frightened the family because the Gary Condit and Chandra Levy story had 24/7 prurient news coverage, so the family actually thought it was the news media not Joe making up stuff about Lori and they rebuffed any investigation.
#622ZEE: Thanks, ZEE! I am very concerned about the fraudulent registrations, having seen this done here many times. Now regarding, Gustaf, we are all into the paying very close attention to this thing..and soon, I expect 24 hour, once every hour , comments from the TV people, No body gets much sleep with these things approaching. Oh and for the record, which no one every reported anywhere…Before Katrina, we evacuated before that storm…1,500,000 + people,…safely, one to two days before it hit..the largest safe evacuation in the history of this country, without a glitch…but then no body heard about that…did they? The 24 hour so called newsstations saw to that…Idiots.
# 618 queen81
I would have to agree washing hair would have to come on my list way before Oh-No’s coronation. In fact, coronation never even made the list
She is On US Air
Anyone who PAYS to go this farce is STUPID. Stay home, get drunk, watch it on tv, and then tomorrow GET OUT AND START campaigning AGAINST Voter Fraud, Racism, and Misogyny.
I will watch it because I want to BOO and pretend he can hear me….I also want to see it so I can properly write about it in my LETTERS to the Editor ALL OVER THE COUNTRY!!
Waste of money makes us look foolish and stupid. HE isn’t even electable people….Can you imagine the CLINTONS on a stage in that field??? HELL NO because they have class and they can get elected because they are good candidates.
Tidbits:
I think McCain got his eyebrows colored darker (something I had been thinking he should do for months), and I think Obama dyed his hair darker for tonight to hide the gray.
Is it true James Carville wore Puma sneakers in plain view the other night while on TV?
#605 Zee on 08.28.08 at 5:05 pm
Zee, can you provide any sources for your information on Joe Scarborough. I have never heard any of that before and those remarks are borderline libel. To be honest, I find it a little difficult to believe. Please provide some information to source those remarks. They appear quite contrary to everything I see and have heard about him.
Remember November – Yup. Yup. and Yup. (By the way, you throwing any commas around for fun?!*)
631 Anna7000 on 08.28.08 at 5:23
Her name is Alice Germond, and she’s also a member of the notorius RBC, that stole votes from Clinton to give to the chosen one on May 31, 2008 – a day that shall live on in infamy
In answer to posts earlier today about registering to vote in Ohio without a photo id, my sister (we both live in Ohio) says that you can do that but you must vote on a provisional ballot. Have not had time to check this out, but you might want to ask whoever you contact in Ohio if that is true.
Marylands flight was delayed…she is now scheduled to land at 7pm
#623 dcinlasvegas
Hey dc – I know that http://www.ontheissues.org has info such as what you are interested in, but I’m not sure it is as user friendly as a side by side comparison. I have used it to get a general sense of each candidate, one at a time, by reviewing the history on all issues. I think you can also compare the candidates one issue at a time, but not sure.
25 things you might not know about McCain:
http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/25-things-you-might-not-know-about/n20080828152109990014?cid=435
Kelligesq – You may want to e-mail Murphy direclty and urgently regarding your concerns and perhaps ask her to delete your original post. Once you post something here, ANYONE can life it, not just regulars on this blog. If you really want to protect a project/your words, probably best not to post it. Even with a disclaimer, no guarantees anyone and everyone who reads it will honor your wishes. In fact, probably not. This site gets a lot of hits very day. Just a thought…
Anna or Laurie ?
I forget who it is who is writing about Hillary being pressured by the media to get out of the race.
What came out – and it was from Hillary’s mouth- was the media, principally tweety and olbermann were announcing after every win that she would be announcing her quitting the race after every state she won – and they would announce ” next Wednesay”, “next Friday” she wil resign.
They were receivng those talking points and announcements.
the only problem is that Hillary never sent them. It was the DNC (synonymous with Obama) who was sending those announcements to the media.
I don’t understand why she did not call me before she left. Was the flight delayed before she left or are they in the air……..
#637 JamesLF
James…you are possibly deliberately missing the point. People are advocating McCain in relation to how effective a vote it will be against Obama. Others are saying “my state will safely go blue, or red, so I am writing in Hillary” etc.
Still others are saying we need to make our votes available in exchange for consideration for our support.
You are advocating Libertarians. Don’t get me started.
The Libertarian Party is not the answer and this is not the place to even discuss it.
Nice try, tho.
re#642 kell..
ok i can go for that getting the best deal from the mccain camp for our support..sounds like plan!
Thanks NObamaDem.
Thanks NObamaDem.
#640 RememberNovember on 08.28.08 at 5:28 pm
this is EXACTLY what O camp wants people to think, that they are invincible, inevitable.
My belief is that they cannot register AND guarantee that the registrant will vote, and will vote for him, in the numbers large enough to overcome the millions who are undecided.
All the new ways of technically reaching people does not mean that they will vote.
can fool some people all of the time but not all of the people all of the time
this “gathering” tonight is just as much of a gamble than a smart move. heard on radio they were trying different camera angles to make him look like he is on the same level as audience instead of ABOVE them
Crusaders Cross
according to the web site, she didn’t depart until 1:58 pm
Anna 7000, I am probably a day late and a dollar short, but here is what I hope is a link to Joe Scarborough:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080460/from/ET/
From what I can ascertain, he has always reported fairly in regard to Hillary. He is on MSNBC.
Bob Barr is an extreme right-wing nut. Whomever posted above can vote for whomever they wish but he wouldn’t be on my short list.
It’s very clear that the DNC’s gang of four want to have their own empire. If the puppet Obama wins, I think the Clintons’ political life is over based on this whole election process. They just can’t stand the Clintons’ glorious achievements, and it makes the puppet looks too short. So forget about the big position for Hillary kind of BS. From Michelle Obama’s witch eyes , you can tell how much she hates the Clintons. We must not let that happen. We have no choice, but the only way for us to see our hero Hillary’s sunshine day is to wait four more years. I rather stay with “good man” McCain than “mafia” BO & Mo.
re#660 zee
i agree.. a vote for the “libertarian” party would be just as effective as a vote for the “librarian” party
#609 kat in your hat:
“McCain does not follow an extremist religious philosophy, and he also wants to fight global warming.”
I’m confused. I thought that BO had an energy plan. And who has an extremist religious philosophy?
#608 phillyforhillary
Don’t you think that people who vote for McCain would also be somewhat to blame.
I feel like more and more of an idiot every time I post. There is so much information here I feel like my head is going to pop like in a Buggs Bunny cartoon.
Can’t you just imagine BO and Hillary as a ‘Roadrunner’ cartoon. BO runs off the cliff, holds up a sign reading ‘Hope’ (instead of help) and falls anyway.
…Wow, I’m really tired. Sorry.
Britney Spears’ set designer designed O’s stage for tonight’s circus.
Kelliesq – Thanks for the heads up. Those media folks are tv folks, if I’m not mistaken. Do you know how a person can pull up prior shows and/or see transcripts? And, do you know of any particular shows I should be looking into it?
About voting irregularities:
If you can copy and paste some threat to do something to the machines/voting in Ohio, copy and paste it and send it to the Ohio Supervisor of elections and the States Attorney General of Ohio.
As far as registering felons, I just finished working at the polls on Tuesday – if they have served their time and made certain applications they DO get their voting rights back – and when they go to vote, they have proof of it or the precinct advisor calls the Supervisor of Elections to see if they have been re-instated. Beating a dead horse there.
Besides when people go to vote, they are looked up to see if they are eligible. so another dead horse.
The main problem is the machines still dont work, they drop votes, vote wrongly etc etc…nothing much to be done about it so far
That is not like my daughter. I talked to her earlier and she told me that her flight was going to leave just before two. So I am assuming that they are in the air now. She knows how much I worry when she is flying. So what you are saying now is that they are in the air and she will not land in Charlotte until 7:00 EST.
I am going to give her Hell when she lands.
And what the H. is going on here #42 lotts1948
“And who gave anyone commenting here the authority to invite another member of PUMA PAC to go somewhere else????”
Are we restricting Free Speech here too and dictating a PUMA’s what and exactly how they can leave a comment and what that comment can include?!!!!!!
YES we are Hillary supporters and find that the actions of the DNC have been corrupt over the last year. But there are many sites that have great information and resources that aren’t here and the most important thing is for all of us to be FULLY EDUCATED in our joint goals. And where in any rule does it say that a puma contributor must be “AUTHORIZED BY” anyone to say what they say or invite someone else to see another site?!!!!!
Now are we getting to be as Dictitorial and Stalanistic as the DNC and OBAMA that we are fighting against.
Now we need to stop this dictating and understand that we are all here for the same purpose of improving the electoral process and respect as voting citizens. And that each and every person also has individual reason and opinions also.
Can’t we all just take a few deep breathes and as Rodney King said “Can’t we all get along?”
We have so so much more important things to deal with than trying to all be bosses and to keep telling others what they can and can’t be saying or doing. And if somebody wants to invite someone to another site or even group so be it….if they go then they didn’t want to be here…so just deal with those that want to be here and be a part of a very very very important Civil Rights Movement…to continue to support Hillary and Murphy, and to work together to stop the corruption of the DNC and get on with the hard work ahead in the next months and YEARS for real respect and rights of the citizen.
Please just be good to each other we are all equal here man, woman, gay, straight, liberal, conservative, etc.
And yes let us just be a little more aware of what we say and do….nerves are raw and things can be misunderstood.
Thank you all for this rant and may we all be PUMA’s Forever……Living Happy, Loving and Accepting each other for the individuals we all are.
#641 Crusaders Cross on 08.28.08 at 5:29 pm
What airlines did she fly out of Denver on, Crusaders?
Ohio’s Voter Registration
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/voter.aspx
Here you go, maybe someone can figure out the rules
#653 BigCatLover I called the number posted above and a provisional ballot was never mentioned. Only that you needed to give them the last 4 digits of your social, OR your driver’s license # and a utility bill. Supposedly they check you out but anyone can get a phony document, except me, I don’t know how to do that. Only criminals do that.
Crusaders Cross
Is she going to be able to make her connceting flight with it landing two hours late? I’m in greenville sc, about 1.5 hours, but if she has a connection problem and gets stuck I’m more then happy to retrieve her and give her a home for the night.
Sorry. I don’t watch tv. What network is Keith Olberman with?
Crusaders,
Did someone help you find out what you needed to know about Maryland’s flight?
#655 Thanks Dragonfly! I’ll see what I can do with the information there.
Anna7000
Alice Germond or something like that was collecting the votes but after that Nancy Pelosi was asking for the ‘ayes’ and ‘nays’ to support the acclamation but she gave zero time for any ‘nays’ and looked quite relieved and ‘smirky’ that she pulled it off, as planned. I would really like to get hold of that video – too bad I din’t record it myself.
Of course for posterity someone will insert a few seconds in there so that it looked democratic.
kat, yes he did have on Pumas. In fact one of our Pumas met him near the convention center and told her to tell us to keep on fighting. I forget who it was though.
I am still in Denver, and you do have to take public transportation to the coronation. They are shutting down the main freeway I 25 and all roads that lead to it. Luckily, I am outside of Denver now, and do not want to be anywhere close to the coronation.
They are announcing McCain has selected his veep. They said they will not announce until tomorrow at noon, unless of course it slips out
#570 kat in your hat,
I realize that as a Republican debating these issues with my new PUMA friends is counter-productive. I love a good, respectful political debate but this isn’t the forum for that. I will say this though, I am a Catholic therefore I am pro-life and that means from the time of conception to the time of death. Therefore, I am against capital punishment but I don’t blame Bush for that I blame our legal system. I also don’t think that Richard’s losing to Bush had anything to do with gender discrimination. Remember, she was already the governor of Texas from 1991- 1995 and had beat a man to get there. There are many reasons why she lost to Bush but being a woman wasn’t one of them.
Under Jeb Bush’s 8 year watch there were 21 executions in FL. Btw, he was the first Republican in Florida had ever been re-elected to serve a second term as the state’s Governor.
Now, for the record, the one place that we both can find some common ground is that we both want NObama in November.
No way, No how, NOBAMA!! Is that how it goes?? LOL
Gerry Ferraro talks about our letters in the NY Post:
http://www.bythefault.com/2008/08/28/geraldine-ferraro-on-the-clintonistas-desires/
#650 BrooklynNY
You are talking about years of research. If you never heard of Lori Klausutis please research it by googling her and seeing the many articles I helped research. To be clear, none of us, as Joe claims, ever accused him of murdering her or of having her murdered. He simply is complicit in the cover up, and it may be for the simple reason of sparing the family and himself from media scrutiny. Nonetheless, he himself did personally call up multiple news sources and lied.
I still have those phone records of the media supervisors I interviewed.
Michael Moore, however buffoonish you might think him, has taunted Joe on this and has challenged him to go forward with a libel suit. If Joe didn’t do so for him I doubt he’s going to care what some nonpublic figure, such as I, have to say…and I’m not worried because I’ve never accused him of anything except the cover-up, which I personally know to be true.
There are also many people who have the medical report. It was murder. 7 fractures to the skull, both front and back, are not the typical result of fainting and falling to a carpeted floor, as they ludicrously claim.
663 Anna7000 on 08.28.08 at 5:36 pm
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LOL! Heard you the first time Anna7000.
#668 goodcitizen
Don’t give up on the Clintons just yet. Their political life is far from over. Take a look around at the Democratic party. With the like of Edwards, Richardson etc. the cream of the crop is getting thinner and thinner.
Within the next four years WE are going to take care of corruptionists in the DNC. Hillary knows what she has to do for 2012.
All I know is that when I last talked to her this morning, she told me she was leaving Denver at 11:50 on US Air 1524 and was to arrive in Charlotte at 5:02 which I assume is EST. She was suppose to depart Charlotte at 7:50 on US Air 4648 and arrive in Salisbury, MD airport at 9:37 pm est. We are about 30 minutes from OC MD and around two hours from Baltimore. She did not call me with any delay and now I am totally clueless as to what is going on. She had a two hour delay in North Carolina and now I don’t know when she will get a flight out of there. I don’t know anymore. Once again this is not like my daughter……..she is very specific about calling me about any change
#674 Crusaders Cross
Dont worry if she is like my husband he always check is phone in his bags. Makes me crazy and I always just check flight status now and not listen to him.
Hi NewOrleansPuma, I’m in Thibodaux, home of Harvard on the Bayou.
#590 NewOrleansPuma on 08.28.08 at 4:59 pm
#414MICK: Where ya at…? oops ..another one of those ending preps….Where ya at, DAWLIN??? Oh..I love it…Good for you…hope I would have been as quick!
Crusaders Cross
She got delayed in Denver for two hours…Left at 1:58 their time. As long as she lands in Charlotte at 7 like scheduled she should make her connection.
#666 LaureyPuma
Joe Scarborough has always said that he is Hillary’s boyfriend. He thinks very fondly of her.
here is proof
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0ojemY6cN4
#687 Zee on 08.28.08 at 5:44 pm
So who do you think murdered her?
Anna7000, You are smart not to watch YV. Olbermann is on MSNBC,
Regarding Joe Scarborough: I know nothing about his sordid past and I do not endorse him. What I do know is that he was fair to HRC and my impression, against Nobama. A snake against Obama might be a resource.
This picture is just too too perfect..ROFL..LOL
I think this is my new desktop pic….LOL
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/temple_of_obama/2008/08/28/125847.html?s=al&promo_code=68B1-1
Hello, everyone! Seems like everyone is energized. That is great. To me Obama’s campaign is nothing more than a huge marketing scheme–ergo the Greek Temple rock star theme tonight. He is a product being sold to the American public. Ych. I know we don’t have a formal PROWL going now, but I was thinking it would be great to send emails to the media tonight during the great one’s speech “We are not watching– Americans Against Obama”. I don’t know if we can get enough people to do it en masse to make a statement.
On another note I am listening to Debbie Wasserman Schulz describing Obama’s platform–gee it sounds very much like Hillary’s platform–Universal Health Care for everyone? Wasn’t he against that in the debates? I think the American public has the memory of a flea—they do not remember what he said during the campaign, uh, uh, uh. Perhaps it is our job to remind them. Sorry for rambling and ranting.
Gateway Pundit reports that Michelle Obama’s words were lifted from Saul Alinsky’s book, “Rules for Radicals,” in her DNC Convention speech.
What to make of Michelle Obama’s use the terms, “The world as it is” and “The world as it should be?” From whence do they originate? Try Chapter 2 of Alinsky’s book. In last night’s speech, Michelle Obama said something that peeked my curiosity. She said:
“Barack stood up that day,” talking about a visit to Chicago neighborhoods, “and spoke words that have stayed with me ever since. He talked about “The world as it is” and “The world as it should be…”
And, “All of us driven by a simple belief that the world as it is just won’t do — that we have an obligation to fight for the world as it should be.”
Here’s an excerpt from Chapter 2 of Saul Alinsky’s book, Rules for Radicals:
“The means-and-ends moralists, constantly obsessed with the ethics of the means used by the Have-Nots against the Haves, should search themselves as to their real political position. In fact, they are passive — but real — allies of the Haves… The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means… The standards of judgment must be rooted in the whys and wherefores of life as it is lived, the world as it is, not our wished-for fantasy of the world as it should be.”
And here’s another instance — from the same speech:
“And as I tuck [my] little girl and her little sister into bed at night, I think about how one day, they’ll have families of their own. And one day, they — and your sons and daughters — will tell their own children about what we did together in this election. They’ll tell them how this time … we committed ourselves to building the world as it should be.”
Anna 7000
#666 LaureyPuma
Joe Scarborough has always voiced his fondness for Hillary… below is proof.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0ojemY6cN4
Next time she goes anywhere I and the Puma are going. We don’t do much traveling and I know nothing about airlines and flights and how to trace them. It is still puzzling to me what she did at the airport since early this morning. She was there with Mama but she left before Maryland did. She could have called me between the time she should have left and when she left. Has she been on the blog today or posted anything. She would have done that. Anyone know? Now I can’t find out anything. Is there a number I can call etc……. This means she might get here today. I am as nervous as an ally cat now.
657 Anna7000 ~~I guess that’s a post I missed. Is it important for me to know?
#685 mick:
Thanks.
I am actually not one of those hard-core Bush haters, but I am more centrist and moderate in my thinking and I feel like Bush was far right and now Obama is far left, and I think both are too extreme for me. I will say that I think Obama is even more extreme than Bush.
I like things in the middle…I am not a liberal and not a conservative.
insults by the two creeps might still be on their site but we’ve made such a stink about their misogynism that they may have cleaned it out,… msnbc olbermann/matthews
Also on you-tube you might find a video of Katie couric after she finally had it with their woman hating and let them have it on national tv. Think Couric is cbs isnt she ?
betcha could find a lot on google – try “media hate hillary” – no joke.
Also David Shuster was put off air for two weeks, saying on air “Clinton pimping Chelsea”
Nice stuff huh?
Zee , I heard Joe mention one time that he had a 6 year old daughter. I don’t trust anyone from MSNBC
#699 Pooh496– Great catch–more plagiarism.
Oh durn….The Washington Redskins are playing a pre season game tonite. Oh my my my… I don’t know what to do!!! I might not be able to see HObo’s speech!!
#687 Zee on 08.28.08 at 5:44 pm
This site is NOTTTTTTTTTTTT the place to go off tangent. Please stop it.
crusaders cross
The automated customer service number is 800-943-5436
Dont worry crusaders cross — i bet her cell phone battery just ran out. I’m sure if she had gotten lost or missed her plane one of us would have heard.
Crusader Cross~~~ Read~~~693 queen81
Obermann is becoming a laughing stock of CNN and FOX, MPT and WETA!!! Heard many slams on him, Matthews and MSNBC today on talk radio while driving around.
The temptation NOT to watch is almost as great as my thirst to learn more talking points against this despot.
We’are having a NOBAMA party tonight..we are going to put money in the PUMA POT everytime he says something STUPID, UNTRUE, or we must MUTE it or be ill..
PUMA will be richer tomorrow for sure!!
MAY a large fat sick bird drop the largest most disgusting poo poo on his head in the history of the world…the rabbi said I could NOT pray for this BUT I can still HOPE
Sigh* Hi all. I’ve come out of hiding.
I am glad to have here to call Home. I have been feeling confused, bewisldered, lost and bereft in this country since the primaries where the media showed me they are corrupt, where the democratic party showed me they are corrupt…where America showed me She was willing, despite everything, to stand up and vote for Hillary.
PUMA Pac..PUMA in general even, has provided the shelter for us all. In an insane world, we gather and lend strength to one another.
I uhm. I uhm..I can not believe that I’ll actually have to vote for a republican. It makes me sick..it’s made me angry all these many months. Yet, I can not refute the facts, if I don’t help Mccain win, then Obama will be rewarded to Commander and Chief. Rewarded for things we know to be dastardly. It really sucks that Mccain should be rewarded, but I guess, you know, the lesser of two evils.
If Obama keeps pushing his arrogantly ignorant platform, if I hear a few more policies of his which press my panic buttons…I may well go out and push publically, for Mccain. And again, the ludicrosity of such a possible reality is beyond all of my ken.
Yet, I am a PUMA…and honestly, once a PUMA, ALWAYS a PUMA. I consider my country to be under attack, at this point. Our everything, is jeopardized by the thuggish mentality. If we allow a break-down of our civilization, we can not stand. So. I’ll fight. I’ll fight til I’m dead. I will hope, however, that I’ll only have to fight until I can once again live, breezily, in these United States.
Roar, PUMA’s, Roar.
#707 virginia.puma on 08.28.08 at 5:54 pm
right on, go Skins!!~~, no question which one to watch
It is just ridiculous that with all the Trinity Church, Daley, Axelrod, Ayers, stuff that he is doing it on I Have a Dream anniversary. I wonder what MLK would really trully think of O.
OK… I’m here… WE’RE HERE !!!
… gearing up for an exciting new phase…
Remember:
– Without us, they can’t win!
– We are the ones no one was expecting
– We are the resistance
Press on, Dem comrades… we have an important election to loose!
(and also non-Dems, ex-Dems, etc)
HEY GUYS AND GALS
WE ARE BOYCOTTING MSNBC AND WATCHING FOX , THEIR ENEMY , INSTEAD.
when olbermann came on he used to be good, once they paired him up with Tweety, he began the hate hillary stuff…for two years tweety was bashing Hillary, what a terible voice she had , etc etc
so WE made msnbc and WE are taking it away, their viewership has fallen, and convention watching at FOX has risen by 750,000 to 1 million. LOLOLOL
THAT”S US.
Pumas giveth and Pumas taketh away.
SO IF YOU’RE GONNA WATCH THE CIRCUS DO IT AT FOX
personally I’m not watching – saw my Bill and Hill -dont need the rest of the circus -
#689 clintongirl , I will never give up. I just don’t want this puppet win this time.
I truly believe our Hillary, she will never give up, nither do I.
Rewarded for things we know to be dastardly. It really sucks that Mccain should be rewarded, but I guess, you know, the lesser of two evils.
What, are these dastardly things, just the facts ma’am.
Where is Trish today – I missed the morning coffee with her – are you lurking??
What I have been reading several people say and it is good advice – we need to EDUCATE those out there that have no clue all the things that have gone wrong with the Democratic Party – we can and I will help with the list – make all these things known without sounding like we are either Democrat or Republican – but just the facts mam – just the facts.
# 684 prplvette:
Very interesting about Carville, I like that!!
Ya, definitely stay away from Invesco Field.
I hear they are handing out life preservers because the entire stadium will be filled with kool-aid, a whole bunch of Obots swimming around with glazed eyes. Hillary Clinton brought an inflatable raft for escape. She is always prepared.
lol…blegh..
711 murphy ~~~ Although I am not an Archivist, per se, I AM available to help with such an effort. I’m sure you have been following the blog today and seen some of the posts from Anna and myself regarding saving information from all the coalitions’ sites.
I think it’s important to have a clearinghouse to distinguish opinions from pertinent information to our cause and mission.
Hang in there, Crusaders Cross! Maryland PUMA will be just fine. She did post on the blog earlier today. I saw her peek in a few times.
POSTED BY MARYLAND AT 2:07 EASTERN
Hey everyone!
I’m stuck at the Denver Airport – my flight is delayed two hours. GRRRRR.
Whats’s shakin?
Martin Luther King would DETEST him and protest the NATION of ISLAM and TRINITY CHURCH….
Martin was about LIVING TOGETHER in PEACE. Trinity Church, Rev. Wright, Rev. Pflegger….these are the men who are the antithesis of MLK’s Dream and his life’s work!
SHAME on the MEDIA, SHAME ON THE DNC, SHAME ON PEOPLE SUPPORTING BO’s agenda of lies, hate, racism, sexism, and criminal behavior…
Pumas, (I don’t know why this is in red) I am ready to get to the next step. I suggest that we set up meetings in each state or region so that we can coordinate and make sure our own state is secure (I am from red state Oklahoma) but we can do two things (1) Make sure our state is secure in not supporting Obama (2) Make calls into other states or travel to close states and register people to vote against him. I, for one, will find it hard to vote for McCain, but I will find it 1000% hard to vote for Obama…so there is no choice.
By the way look at it this way…If the vote were tied at 1000 to 1000 and one person did not vote, then it would be 999 to 1000; but if that person voted for the other party, it would then be 999 to 1001. So abstaining counts as one vote, and voting for the opponent counts as two. So, how we vote may just depend on how badly we want Obama to lose.
I cannot in good conscience vote for Obama. McCain needs us and wants us and we may be able to influence him toward the center…for instance, we won’t change his mind about abortion, but maybe we can get him to support money for birth control. He is in favor of drilling for more oil, but maybe we can convince him to tax the “new oil” and use that money to subsidize wind or solar power.
We need to meet and talk about OUR platform. The sooner, the better.
Someone on here, don’t remember who, brought up Cindy McCain.
You may here about Cindy’s prescription drug history but here’s a story that you may not have seen in the MSM about Cindy that makes her one class act in my book.
It’s been reported that Cindy adopted a baby but Cindy was actually given 2 babies to hold when she arrived at the Mother Teresa orphanage. Asked with to do with them, she was told to hold them as they had no chance of survival. Refusing to believe that the children could not be saved, she asked to take them back to the states with her, which she did.
She arrived at the airport with the girls, no advance warning to her husband, who never balked when she said they were taking the girls. Friends of theirs adopted the second girl, who also required extensive surgery and medical care–and the adoptive parents have never seen a medical bill. John and Cindy (OK, Cindy, since she’s the one with the money) have covered all the medical expenses.
One of the things Cindy McCain has accomplished by keeping her personal finances separate from her husband’s, and therefore personal (no federal reporting required) is that the extent of the McCain’s generosity remains private. The right hand (the press and the public) doesn’t know what the left hand (the McCains) is doing. They have a history of giving a large % to charity.
Just a little FYI.
And here’s an interesting mystery. The night that the PUMA’s had a viewing of the Audacity of Democracy film — an article link was posted with the film being mentioned in the article. I remember sending the link to a friend and even describing which paragraph to start reading. When I go to the link now — that paragraph is no where to be found. I’m almost positive the link was copied correctly. I’m pretty sure I remember checking it to make sure I was sending the correct link. Here’s what I sent to my friend in the email:
The screening of our voter fraud movie made it to being mentioned in this abc news article… read the paragraph starting with “More than 100 Clinton supporters gathered…”
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/WireStory?id=5645844&page=2
Did that story get adjusted to censor out the mentioning of the movie or did I have the wrong link?
It’s storming in HOUSTON…come on DENVER…let the skies open and pour our tears on the FARCE…
Also, to all stranded pumas
godspeed home….
Crusaders Cross -
303 Maryland PUMA on 08.28.08 at 2:07 pm Hey everyone!
I’m stuck at the Denver
#677 1gypsy4mc on 08.28.08 at 5:40 pm Ohio’s Voter Registration
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/voter.aspx
Here you go, maybe someone can figure out the rules
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1gypsy if u could email me at HilDem@gmail.com I should be able to help you if I knew more specifically what questions you are looking to answer or figure out.
I have a full computer/library of state election laws and delegate plans etc. So drop me a line.
Thanks Neal
What nefarious things do we Puma’s hold Obama responsible for?
Have you been here all these many months? LOL
1. apparently he won his senate seat th