The 1921 Peace Dollar
Exhaustion has set in folks — I’ll have more to say tomorrow after I get some sleep here in my own bed.
I know many are feeling confusion and anger. BUT I also know that we are NOT about to give up now.
Puma PAC does have a plan after today — it is to effect our original goal: PROTEST THE 2008 ELECTION!
Our plans include:
Targeting the swing states mentioned by a commenter in an earlier thread: Virginia, New Hampshire, Florida, Michigan, Ohio, and Penssylvania.
Reaching out to those voters through phone calls and mailings to let them know they can still be GOOD DEMOCRATS and not vote for Obama.
We will begin tomorrow.
Don’t fight and don’t fret. Tomorrow is another day — let’s make it a better one.
Be Wonderful to Each Other.
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we will remember in november!!!!!!
In the words of Bill Clinton: “Suppose you’re a voter, and you’ve got candidate X and candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don’t think that candidate can deliver on anything at all. Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but he can deliver. Which candidate are you going to vote for?”
I have lots of ideas and great motivation. Let us all keep the faith for a new and better political situation in our country.
Goodnight Murphy! Get your rest. We’ll be with you during the next steps. And by the way, thanks.
Nobama NoWay NoHow
G’ight
Does anyone know which site is the best one to email Hillary on. Her presidential site or senators site or what. I feel the need to share a few things with her
anyone here from Ohio? I heard that starting in Sept the state will allow same day registration and voting…somehow, I smell potential fraud favoring Barry.
bo is targeting the western states. last I remember Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico were ones his campaign was saying were must wins. there were more, but these I do know are on his list!
I am sick tonight but I will be back. I will not watch the cornation tomorrow. What ever our plans are, I will be here to do what I can. No bama No way ever!
My response to Bill:
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First act of rebellion – deny the enemy access to my mind.
8 mini vee
Same day registration???
Can’t be
Well, at least I’m noticing more and more McCain signs in my Denver neighborhood…it’s like they mushroomed over night.
I will try to find it…
mini vee I’ve heard the same thing and the worry over how to know if people did early voting and then show up at the polls to vote a second time.
#3 leelasavage on 08.27.08 at 11:17 pm In the words of Bill Clinton: “Suppose you’re a voter, and you’ve got candidate X and candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don’t think that candidate can deliver on anything at all. Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but he can deliver. Which candidate are you going to vote for?”
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I’d vote for Y in a heartbeat!
We need to look at how he’s going to get the younger voters out. That’s their target to put him over the top.
Rock concerts at the polls will be next.
#11 leelasavage on 08.27.08 at 11:20 pm
I click on “report as phishing scam” when I get stuff from the DNC. If enough people do that it might cause them an internet headache. lmao
This is what a poster at NQ wrote:
just read in my local paper that OHIO has a new voting law in place.they have set a sept 30-oct.6 special window in which residents can register and vote on the same day. not only that but photo id is NOT required, only “some sort” of verification of identity and residence.source is romenews, editorial, title- stacking the deck. think its quite relevant to this election
someone there should check it out to see if what the deal is.
#4 Henrietta ,Repost from downstairs: I agree we should organize but wouldn’t we be more powerful IN the Dem Party than a third party? I don’t know if starting another party will work fast enough for me. I feel frustrated that on this site we are constrained from “campaigning” for the obvious most effective action to PUNISH the power thugs in our Party! Please, Murphy, unleash the PUMAS!
Murphy, thanks for connecting with us. I don’t need my hand held…and lead. But it is comforting to go to bed knowing Puma Pac has plans in “hand”.
leela…i started to unsubscribe and then didn’t. i decided to check on bo coronation parties in my area (DENVER). 1 in a 20 mile area!!!!!! decided I want to know what they are up to!
Lets be mindful of the rules and refrain from vulgarity.
Maybe I am just very tired and I do have a bad cold of some sort. But I’m not sure what I’m feeling. I know that I don’t want to feel anger or hatred. I am not called to that.
I lean more toward reconciliation and compromise. These ARE changing times. Desperate times and people truly are struggling.
I have been one who didn’t like MO and can’t say that I really do now. but I saw her crying tonight as Biden’s son spoke about the loss of his Mother and how his Father stood by him and his brother and noticed that I was crying, too.
Much of what Bill Clinton said, also seemed to make sense. When he finished I was left with a feeling that, ok~~~we fought a good fight, like Hillary did, but this time our side did not prevail. If I really believe that my country comes before party, just exactly defines that at this point? To me, I mean.
In many other areas of my life I have come to learn that acceptance is the answer to all my problems.
Whenever I find some person, place, thing, or situation unacceptable to me, I can find no peace, no serenity or peace of mind until I accept that person, place, thing or situation as being just exactly the way it is supoosed to be this moment. There is a God, a higher power and it isn’t me. The world does not revolve around me and i don’t control anything but me, and that not very well.
Here, as members of PUMA we have learned to put ourdifferences aside, accept one another as we are and work for a common cause.
Tonight I’m wondering if I’m big enough to do it again, for the sake of the country and stop fighting.It really looks like we are going to see our first black president in America. Like others, I so want to see a WOMAN elected POTUS in my lifetime. But progress is progress and my own parents didn’t live to see either one.
Ok, I am tired. and i am sick. And these are my thoughts tonight as I say good night.
May the Creator bless you all with all good things in life.
I use to bury my head under the covers at night when George Bush came on the late news. But now I turn off the TV entirely when BO comes on the screen.
taffy, if you attend the toga party, be sure to quarantine yourself afterwards.
Murphy, love the post. I hope that we will all stand together in our common goal to not hand our nation to the nominee regardless of how we will vote in November, Pumas are a power house and if the core base is fractured it will cause the house to fall. Let’s stay focused on our goal and reform the party as we move forward.
Good night all! Tomorrow is a new day and now we know how to move forward!
I want to thank the Denver crew. You did a wonderful job, and you worked yourselves to exhaustion. When I saw the group photos, I realized that I had worked with some of you in the election. You are all dedicated and hard working.
I have an idea for a new Party name: The Progressive Union Party. We hear that said a lot in the undemocratic party.
Good night, and blessings to all.
Republicans, Democrats miss presidential filing deadline in TexasAUSTIN – August 27, 2008 – According to the Texas Secretary of State’s office, the Republican and Democratic parties have missed the deadline for filing their presidential nominee certifications.The statutory deadline was 5:00 p.m. on August 26.The Libertarian Party of Texas (LPT) filed its presidential certification on June 30, 2008.Wes Benedict, LPT Executive Director, said, “Bob Barr, our Libertarian presidential candidate, is being kept off the ballot in at least two states (West Virginia and Maine) because of missed deadlines. When Ralph Nader tried to run as an independent in 2004, he was kept off the Texas ballot because he filed after the deadline.”Benedict continued, “Texas law doesn’t make any exceptions for absurdly late nominating conventions. Although Bob Barr should win Texas by default, I expect the Republicans and Democrats will get away with breaking the laws they made. They get away with breaking their promises to voters all the time. It’s a travesty that we have a double standard, where Republicans and Democrats are above the law, but other parties and independents have to comply with every letter of the law.”The Texas Secretary of State lists certified candidates here:http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/candidates/general/2008gensbs.shtmlChapter 192 of the Texas Election Code handles presidential nominations. Section 192.031 specifies the filing deadline.
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aloha it’s been put out that his bo camps will be a large part of this. They collect cell phone and email addies from fellpw students. Their job is to make sure students are registered and contacted on election day. They also will use facebook and myspace collecting friends with the phone numbers and addies to contact.
Big hug for all Pumas in Denver, and all over the country, and remember en november NOway NOhow Nobama
NOT going! but with the media reporting how disappointed 60,000 people were not to get tickets, I was curious. I thought there would be bunches of viewing parties. 1 in 20 miles hosted at a private house and still not full????
Reading LivingGrace’s eloquent post, I think that this whole election is bigger than any one of us. But its only together that we can make a difference in some little corner of the world. So it’s time to get some rest and re-energize our minds and body so that we make that difference. Good night everyone. God bless.
30 Taffy
Camp Obama! That’s another aspect to Obama’s rise that the mass public doesn’t understand.
Good evening everyone,
I just got back from Denver. It was exhilarating to be a part of the 18 million march and to meet many of the wonderful Pumas I have come to know through this blog. I am in awe of the talent of the bloggers that comprise the Just Say No Deal Coalition: Murphy, Riverdaughter, Annabelle, Shtuey, Lady Boomer and others that I am not able to recall due to exhaustion.
I am disappointed in the outcome. But not from the fight. I know that each of us did our level best to exact “change” in this corrupt and unfair election process.
I plan on continuing to fight. As others have written, I will not reward the Democratic party with my vote. I will work to ensure that this kind of sexism – some overt, some subtle never, ever happens again in this country.
That is the only thing I can do with my anger now. I do not believe Ms. Clinton sold out. She did what she had to do and I think she sent us a message. We may have lost the battle, but by God we are going to win the war.
Much love to Daddy’s Darlin’
Laurey4Hill
I met one lady here in denver who brought along a suggestion from her husband (sorry I don’t remember whom
) Women carry a roll of susan b anthony dollars. leave as tips with the message women’s voices have power! Sorry male pumas…guess you need to still leave george behind 
The 1921 silver dollar gave me a good feeling as I was going to leave the blog for the evening. My father was born in 1921 and gave me a silver dollar just like the one above before he died. He was a very loyal Democrat who would go into the voting booth and just pull the Democrat lever and vote down the ticket Democratic, except for one local politician who was deceptive and for the first time in 1990 he voted Republican…The silver dollar is my confirmation (among many other things) that this year is the time to vote against the party…Just a thought..Sweet dreams all!! We need to rest..we have a lot of work to do!!
I also have had the same thoughts as LivingGrace after I listened to Hillary. I was awake most of the night thinking about it. As of right now I cannot in good conscience vote for Barack Obama. I have heard nothing from him that shows me he is ready to lead. I can watch any speech that Hillary has made and be comfortable that she is a leader I could trust. The way the Democratic Party has turned on me and those like me tells me that it just isnt my party anymore. I didnt leave it but it left me. Change has come to them and I am no longer feeling like i belong there.
Reposting from downstairs:
I’m sick of the far right and the far left, special interests, and corporations having so much influence over politics.
Let’s form a coalition of people from all parties who are in the middle (the MAJORITY)
Push for fair elections, ethical politicians, and common sense in government.
*I’m not talking about a new party, more like a sort of watch dog group, with members from EVERY party.*
A purpose for PUMA after we make sure Obama loses?
aloha if you know where that info is still available it needs to be pulled and cached before it vanishes. It could make a great poster for parents to see their children are going to be used!!! If you remember the last time he did this all the info was pulled when he had his recruits. We only found a reference to it in an article, no specifics.
I just checked my email and found an email from a superdelegate I wrote to earlier today. Here is a quote:
“Any delegate can vote on the floor. All delegates must sign their name next to their vote and their signature and vote are open record.”
Open record? I wonder how we can find out more.
First off…THANKS to all the hardworking PUMAS in Denver and on the blog. Next I think we all need a breather …a time to sort out what all this endeavor has meant to us and how it will ultimately affect our lives. Then we need to turn our anger, disappointment, disillusionment and disgust into the ferver and passion to work for justice, truth and honesty in politics….addressing fraudlent practices in both parties. I feel our basic democratic rights have been sorely violated. I am willing to fight on. But I think it will have to be a consolidated effort of all the JSND groups to be effective.
OUR MILLIONS OF VOICES HAVE ONLY BEGUN TO BE RAISED. OUR SPIRITS ARE CRYING OUT IN THE WILDERNESS. THIS IS OUR HOME NOW. WE ARE PUMAS!!! WE WILL CARRY ON.WE WILL BE HEARD. WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED!!
Yes, I will remember in November and McCain will get my vote…but it is a protest vote only.
Goodnight Murphy, and thank you. Pleasant dreams of democracy in action, your friends, your puma’s.
jody…we need to look at the records BEFORE the voting. From what I heard there was a lot of coercion going on and not all votes reflect the true feelings.
#24 LivingGrace on 08.27.08 at 11:29 pm
Whenever I find some person, place, thing, or situation unacceptable to me, I can find no peace, no serenity or peace of mind until I accept that person, place, thing or situation as being just exactly the way it is supoosed to be this moment. There is a God, a higher power and it isn’t me. The world does not revolve around me and i don’t control anything but me, and that not very well.
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Very nice. You are in a wonderful spiritual place. However, I do not believe that means we must vote for that person. The reason he is there may be because God wants PUMA to grow into a national organization. We know not the reason.
I do know this entire Democratic thing has been about manipulation and control. Love is the opposite of manipulation and control therefore I must oppose it. I will fight for FREEDOM because freedom is love is god.
Good night all, it’s been quite a day for all of us!
Thank you Murphy for checking in with us, get a well deserved rest!
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/kidshome/This is still on his web-site for kids 12 and under..Is this what you are talking about
well, after watching this for 3 nights now, if it is all just a big orchestrated show, it is one heck of a production. i can’t wait to see what the republicans put together.
bush and cheney have been good at promoting fear, but i think people are tired of being afraid.
regardless of our individual beliefs as, republicans, democrats or republicrats, i am proud to be an american. we don’t have a perfect system but i wouldn’t trade it for any other.
ok Taffy I like what you’re saying.
We need to blow away the house of cards.
A great quote I heard and don’t know where it originally came from. Substitute Party for man and this will fit every PUMA out there…..”No man is worth crying over, and the one who is will never make you cry!”
#24 LivingGrace
Hope you feel better. Remember God gave us choices and you are not powerless. After all, you DO own your vote! good night.
#44 Taffy on 08.27.08 at 11:48 pm
I’m going to write back to this guy. He’s from TX. I’m going to send him the caucus info. Can’t do until tomorrow tho. Sent so much stuff I got locked out of 3 email accts today, lol
#44 Taffy on 08.27.08 at 11:48 pm
I’m going to write back to this guy. He’s from TX. I’m going to send him the caucus info. Can’t do until tomorrow tho. Sent so much stuff I got locked out of 3 email accts today, lol
Hi Laurey
We are all very proud of what you and all the Pumas in Denver have accomplished.
Have a good rest and we will march on.
#38, rtr4Hill, I can relate to what you are saying, I felt the same way after listening to BC and then reality set in that no matter what is said, I can not give my vote to someone I do not trust nor have faith in; I think I will sleep better at night if JM is the president. All I have seen from BO is that he needs everyone to champion his cause instead of him bringing it on home himself, those are not the qualities of a good leader. This week he has used Hillary and Bill to do that. I also realized this evening listening to BC that this is about the democratic party not the voters, they will do whatever it takes to regain control of the WH even if it is to sacrifice one of their own. BC said he was inexperienced, there is a big diffrence in electing a person who has goverend a state than electing someone who had been in the Senate for 143 days and of course BC knows that. As Hillary always said, “they are just words”.
I’m not sure how many people here actually blogs to those obama sites. I think we need to fight fire with fire for a change and reach out to those koolaid drinkers with some respect verse to the way they have abuse their privileges in ours. You can’t win everyone but you can win some. Secluding ourselves within our environment doesn’t requires any approval, we need to step out and bring the challenge to them.
wow rtr he’s already scrubbed his kid’s site!!! That was dynamite against him and now it’s gone!!! He has some site up called camp obama. college kids sign up and in exchange for management training they have to agree to work to get other college kids to vote for him. that’s the one i’m looking for.
I am trying to wrap my head around how can our still so young country, which has been a beacon of hope for democracy for other peoples of the world, find itself in this position? Our military dollars have helped pay for others fair elections. I sure hope to heck they are there for us come the GE.
#57 Taffy on 08.27.08 at 11:55 pm
this one?
http://my.barackobama.com/page/event/detail/44jvw
LaureyPuma
I like your attitude, I like the strength you’ve shown in your words. That’s the TRUE SPIRIT of a WARRIOR!
I am sickened.
#56 Good Luck,
I have never encountered people like these. They are so sold on this guy but they cant tell you why. I have many Republican friends and we have heated discussions but at least they have some facts for the way they vote.. They don’t just say yes we can and tell me we need change. I just find it hard to deal with.. I do believe he lost some during the fisa vote but their voices were silenced quickly on the blog..
Murphy and all, thank you thank you thank you!
Did anyone notice the amount of applause for Hillary and Bill versus the amount for Biden and NObama?
I tuned into CNN for a few minutes to see what those idiots had to say.
They know it.
They can see the down-spiraling of NObama-Biden.
I could see it in their faces and their tone.
#57 Taffy on 08.27.08 at 11:55 pm
Is this the Camp Obama you’re talking about?
http://my.barackobama.com/page/event/detail/44jvw
#57 – Utube is also censoring BO’s channel. They do not allow you to post any negative comments. So the BO camp is already taking away everyone’s free speech.
Unbelievable
goodnight puma’s………..love you all….. except for the trolls
You guys did a great job in Denver & you must be exhausted. Get some sleep, you deserve a night of oblivion.
living grace @@@@ you have mail
If you hear the dogs, keep going.
If you see the torches in the woods, keep going.
If they’re shouting after you, keep going.
Don’t ever stop. Keep going.
If you want a taste of freedom, keep going.
Even in the darkest of moments, ordinary Americans have found the faith to keep going.
#1148 DiscoPuma
“#1114 I AGREE We need a new party.. How about “The Womens Party” They have this in Iceland. Everyone is part of it. Obama is no progressive– on the contrary, he is conservative.”
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I posted this downstairs and want to get it off my chest upstairs too. I have to comment since I feel a need to set the record straight. I’m getting a little tired of Obama being defined as a “progressive” or even as a “liberal.” He is not a progressive (for whatever the h*ll that is supposed to imply)… nor is he a conservative… nor is he a liberal. Obama is a radical and more specifically a marxist. A Black Liberation Theologist Marxist which is even more radical than a regular marxist (if there is such a thing as a more radical marxist). LOL!
Your northern neighbor, good evening!
Thank you for the support. You are always a sight for sore eyes.
Yes, tomorrow we will link arms and carry forward. What else have we got to lose?
Good night our Canadian Puma.
Laurey
11 leelasavage
That confirmation code does not work. Perhaps it was only for you. I have been waiting all day for a confirmation code!!!
Do you think if these camps were made public that people would think this was normal? It gives me kind of a funny feeling.. Especially the ones 12 and under.
# 19 Mini Vee, I am from Ohio. I will check this out. (Potential for VOTER FRAUD.) If “same day registration/voting & no photo ID required” is true, MAN, people could vote, vote, and vote again! BO needs Ohio. NOHOW, NOWAY. They could just bring in some fake piece of mail as “ID” and off they go to vote again. This can’t be right. I’ll find out.
Meanwhile, let’s help Larry Sinclair to take Nobambi down. Donate what you can before his 9/11 FRAUDULENT court hearing. He’s selling all his worldly possessions right now to be able to travel to Deleware to face these TRUMPED UP charges that may put him away for LIFE.
http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com/2008/08/down-but-not-out-i-will-be-back-up.html
That’s the start of it jody. thanks. there is more to it where he actually states that in return for the training they must help deliver votes
Ty you Murphy and all. To simply make peace with what is would be pointless to necessary progress. Though, it deeply tiring, boring, horrifying and distressing, we can fight corruption. We may not be god, but we may just be the very necessary agents of change that is part of god. I simply cant abide what has occurred. The DNC has been hijacked. I love this country. I am grateful for any and everyone who is willing to look within her heart to protect and defend her.
Spot on Disco
We are marathon runners. We keep a steady pace, let others go ahead, and we know when to accelerate in order to win. Unexperienced runners, give everything early and collapse. We are in the middle of a long distance race. We are steady, we will fine tune our strategy as we go, and we will win.
I believe that women, at least of my generation, have a built in long-distance runner gene.
Updated
http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com/
and mzebest
Though I haven’t commented more than once or twice, I joined Pumapac early on, having been lurking at Riverdaughter’s on June 1st when the unparty was born. I had the pleasure of meeting some of the people at the Puma Den on Sunday and to work on some signs there, too. They may or may not remember me.
With this nomination, which I don’t believe was ever really in doubt from the perspective of the leadership (regardless of our hopes and efforts), we have to shift into a different gear, away from “winning” and think in a more strategic way. Distasteful as it must have been to her, that’s what Hillary has done. Voting for Obama is out of the question for most of us, but I wonder what came of the political horsetrading that must have occurred behind the scenes. In the About section here it says, “There will be no unity in the Democratic party until the voices of the 18 million voters who support Hillary Clinton are heard and heeded.” She asked Tuesday night if we were supporting her because of her or because of the people she wants to fight for, the causes she champions — the 18 million of us. We haven’t made a cult of personality out of our admiration and affection for her and she doesn’t want one. Her speech mentioned UHC twice that I remember, the second in a way that recalled her own plan rather than Obama’s — every American covered. Biden did the same tonight. Is that something she got for her endorsement? Isn’t that something important we want? How about Hillary as Senate Majority leader, where she could shepherd real Democratic bills through Congress on our behalf? May that be coming? DO WE HAVE any knowledge of whether or not there has been a deal made that shows — for once this time out –respect for our side of this coalition party and the power of our votes manifested in her popular victory? We’re disappointed and angry, but politics has always and will always be a dirty business, and only approximating the ideal even at its best. We have to be practical, careful not to undercut our own long-term interests, both as a movement for political reform and as individuals. I still don’t advocate voting for Obama. Their side deserves to lose for the shady and contemptible ways they’ve behaved. Let them lose on their own. I’m not sure that working gleefully (or grimly) against the party, at least until we know of further perfidy or malice on their part against us, is the way to go forward with a movement to reform it. Are we, like Brazile, going to destroy it to preserve it? Or, are we going to move away from reform, and work toward a viable third party or a coalition of smaller parties that may finally break the stranglehold of the two big ones? I’m interested in that idea, but where will the money come from? Despite the talk, Hillary raised approx. three million in July, not even close to the six that we were hearing about after Independence Day. Either project will be a long-term goal requiring long-term planning and hard-nosed political dealing. If we’re serious about either, we’re going to have to get moving if we hope to be in any position to affect the next election cycle.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/01/obamas_nation_o.html
Taffy #57, I saw the kid’s camp you’re talking about on BO’s site a few month’s back. I think I took a screen capture of it. “Camp Obama” (ugh I hate to even spell his name). I’ll go look and post it tomorrow if so.
Nite all. I’m a fairly new Puma, joined a few weeks ago, but “rejoined” last night when I couldn’t find my old logon. LOL. I’ve been battling along with others to fight BO all over the ‘net for a long time, but it is growing increasingly harder to do so. They are censoring us more strongly every day. It is truly frightening.
I’m turning in….wow what a ride! I’m wondering if we can reach out to the young women in this country of every color and background….have our own “camps” on myspace and facebook letting the college crowds know that their mother’s burned their bras for this kind of injustice….fight fire with fire.
Good night everyone!
#84 DeepSouth
Camps of any kind are just plain creepy and cult like. If people want to make a difference they will find the right outlets. It truly has to be organic.
we must not allow the dnc to be rewarded for what they have done.
we have got to bring them down we can yes we can
im so distraught tonight i really just cant believe this has happened to our country
nancy , dean, ob, his freak wife and all need to be horse whipped
im sad that money talks that loud
ob would sell his soul for a buck if he had a soul ( and actually im betting he sold it a long time ago)
Please dear God let the whiteieieieie tape come out tomorrow and let them arrest him for something and let it rain and storm in denver tomorrow and dear
God im sure you dont want him but pleease take him anyway.
\now i feel better
good night all and God bless
luckyseven…i called the dncc (not dnc) and told them i had tried removing my name from the list and it wasn’t being done. told them i was extremely upset and wanted to quit getting the emails, i wasn’t going to contribute because of bo. they apologized and said my name would be removed and it was! Maybe you need a little more personal touch on your end!!
“camps” was a word used loosely….think of it as simply an information outlet. Myspace and Facebook are today’s social networks for young people. Networking and passing flyers and info on college campuses has been done for ages.
Those are the right outlets for today’s youth.
on FOX–Greta still getting flooded with emails from Hillary supporters
PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT
This is Mama
Denver is surprisingly quiet tonight. It seems as if the reason that all of the people were here is over. We came for Hillary but apparently a lot of other people came for Hillary.
Well now is the time for rest. And then we will begin the real battle. We have not yet begun to fight.
When the Patriots lost the Super Bowl, Randy Moss said: you lick your wounds, you mourn your loss, and then you get up and face the new day and you fight again.
Love to all the PUMAs
Mama
I will be back in Boston tomorrow.
maybe we should send greta some pictures of flags upside down. good enough for bo….
night mama. sleep well
Yes, providing information is different. We just don’t want to end up like those loonies.
An young obot wispered (yes, wispered) to me on the street the other day and asked if I was voting for him. It was very creepy. Needless to say, he didn’t give me a pin!
#81 Denverpuma
Thank you for your part in the PUMA action in Denver. I really appreciated your posting above. All very insightful questions about Hillary’s future. However, looking at the actions throughout the primary and now at the convention, I just don’t see O and his crowd giving Hillary anything. They will just keep her in the background with the threat of working against her in every area they can including her re-election in New York. They have her over a barrel and there’s not much she can do unless O is defeated and Howard Dean is removed from his perch. Bottom line, they played down and dirty and they will continue every bit of that in the future if they are allowed to take over this country. I’ve seen too much of this stuff in life to think that all of a sudden they’re going to play nice. It just doesn’t work that way. She’ll have to keep her self on the straight and narrow if O is elected. She’d probably do better by going into the private sector and working on issues there.
Good night everyone. I didn’t get a chance to post a lot… partly because it was overwhelming to read through so many posts today and partly cause I was in semi shock and processing what I witnessed today and trying to come to terms with what I need to do to fight back.
But I did want to say that I suspect there will be a huge flux of new people now… due to the media attention and due to many feeling similar feelings that we experienced (at the end of the primaries when we were motivated to find others that felt the same way).
I would like to remind everyone that among many of the new comers will be people with lots of great intentions. But also some that wish to divide us. Resist the urge to engage with those that use the same divisive methods of BO. Don’t engage… just remember that higher ground we can always hold ourselves to and just stay focused on the donut (rather than the hole).
Stay well and stay safe PUMA’s. Good night and gather the strength. Tomorrow is another day. I have Clinton’s words in my head and plan to draw strength from them for many days to come.
I mean whispered…its late, the spelling is going. Thanks to everyone in Denver. Hurry back!!!
#86 RonniePuma, here’s my theory (and I believe it’s a good one): The billionaire who’s behind the “Ayres” commercials that has BO & Co splitting a brick over, I’ll bet HAS the “Whitie” tape already, because rumor was he put up a cool mil for it a while back. I think he has it and was just waiting for the sleezebag, stinky BO to be (ugh) nominated before releasing it. This, right along with our Golden Girl and Bill paying lip service to BO and sourpuss MO is the reason they did it: to clear them 100% when the stuff hits the fan, which it will, Oh, believe me, IT WILL.
OK, I said I was headin’ to nite-nite, this time I mean it.
And by the way, we can kiss Universal Health Care goodbye. O didn’t cover some 15 million people in his plan and that hasn’t changed. He can’t do it because he’ll be spending too much money chasing Osama. Read his plan and see how much its going to cost to have a UHC, a decent Veteran’s package, an on-going war in Afghanistan, social security, and all the other promises he made. It just isn’t going to happen because this guy has offered too much and doesn’t have a clue one on how to pay for it other than raise taxes on the middle class which barely exists and getting more from those of us who have worked hard, saved well, decreased debt, raised kids, put them through college (on no scholarships), and are now living on pensions which the states and taxes continually reduce and take from us. An O administration only cares about those under forty. The rest of us can go to our graves as far as he’s concerned.
I can’t sleep…Trinity Church, Rev. Wright, and Rev. Pflegger…this is MO and BO…Nation of Islam…reparations…misogyny and the end of Israel….
The only thing that made me laugh is a friend of mine told me that if the DNC was a broadway play, it would have closed before intermission….
if only it was that easy…
I pray for the WHITEY TAPE and other things….
Hillary or Mccain….HILLARY or McCAIN…HILLARY OR MCCAIN!!!
I’ve been an ardent supporter of Hillary from the beginning, campaigned heavily for her and donated hundreds dollars to her campaign. I really think that this roll call vote and the whole convention has been a joke. I was expecting the democratic leaders to at least emphasize what a historic campaign this has been for women.
I am not falling in line. I’m now switching from Democrat to Independent and will vote for McCain in November. I’m not telling anyone how to vote and I respect every PUMA’s decision, but I really believe the best way to defeat Obama is by voting for his opponent, John McCain.
Thanks so much to all the PUMAs in Denver who helped make Hillary the center of the USA and the whole election yesterday. And to all the rest of you. Pumas went from sore losers to the harbingers of 2012 and the leader everyone can see is the real Democratic president in our future. Much has been lost. Much has been won. Much more to do. So what else is new? Cheers! Get some rest! We have a Nobama to defeat!
They might wish to play nice because they’ll lose if they don’t. This isn’t really about the admirable Hillary. My question is did she, professional that she is, manage to make a deal that gives us something substantial in down payment for unObamatized rank and file Dem votes in November and if she did, can anyone clue us in? They know she has the support of 18 million Americans, and that is power, even if MSNBC won’t say so.
#24 LivingGrace, What a very eloquent post. I found myself sharing the same thoughts and feelings as you speak of. I came away with feeling like there will always be injustice in this world. Yes, we can make a difference, but are we making a difference for our own self interest or of the good of others? When Hillary asked were we in it for JUST her, or were we in it for others as well, I had to examine my that deeply.
I for one was touched to see Michelle Obama shed uncontrolable tears when Beau Biden told his story. I had tears myself and looked over and yes, even my husband had tears. Barrack and Michelle have not allowed the voters see their emotions. My husband made a great point tonight which really is settling into me. He said, “When Bill Clinton was running for President, 16 years ago we were young and so uninformed. We were enamored with him. He spoke of how he wanted to make America a better place for all. And so now its the younger generation who has seen the Iraq war, fear they may be called up to join and see their parents and grandparents struggling, so it makes sense they would see Barrack Obama as our Bill Clinton.”
We didn’t have the internet to go researching Bill, we rarely read the newspapers and couldn’t afford to buy the magazines with raising three small children. All we had to rely on was the 6:00 and 11:00 nightly news. Back then I think they were less biased. I’m really not sure. Maybe the media has always been biased and we didn’t see it because it was our only source of information or maybe because they were for the person running we were. Anyway, I think there has to come the time all the PUMA members have to individually ask themself when is it time to accept all things happen for a reason. Have faith in God that who ever is President that our Lord will ultimately be the one in control and will intercede when necessary.
Each PUMA has to be proud we accomplished being a part in getting Hillary’s name placed into the roll call, as painful as it was to watch. As my Mom and I am certain your mothers said to you, “Be careful what you wish for,you may get it and realize it wasn’t what you thought it would be.” I had to turn my t.v. off, I could NOT sit and watch that mockery of democracy as they made a sham of it. I am glad to say I did not see Hillary when she gave New York’s delegates to Barrack Obama. That would have been even more painful. I watched Hillary, Bill and Chelsea tonight and I am accepting they are going to be okay,and so am I.
I did not get the sense I needed to go on with the fight to boycott the 2008 election. I have NO idea who I will vote for in November. But from here, I do know that I need to go it alone. I need to get back in touch with my inner self. As much as I needed PUMAs to help me with their support these past couple of weeks leading up to this convention, I feel I am strong and I need to take the next 60 odd days left to examine my soul and heart before I go to the polls. I need to return to my daily life with my husband, children, grandchildren and friends. I need to come to my computer for FUN and relaxation if only to play a few games of solitaire.
I will check in from time to time and maybe even post now and then, but as for continuing the fight, I am going to trust that the women’s sufferage brought about the right for me to vote, Hillary was the first woman to run for President and Barrack Obama is the first elected African/American candidate to run for the President of the United States. We are a progressive nation, and I have faith we will continue to reach great milestones.
I thank you PUMAs for all the empowerment I received from you, I thank Murphy for beginning this blog and for all the hard dedicated work she has put into it the efforts of demanding democracy from the Democratic party. I sense from learning you took action in 2000 for Mc Cain because of your feelings against the swift boaters, I am certain you will remain at the helm of proactive groups for what ever the cause you believe so strongly in. I thank the ones who did the great videos and I will cherish them. I heard Hillary loud and clear….Keep going, keep going, keep going. I will keep going, only like Pumas told Hillalry…”We can take it from here” I must say….. I can take it from here.
I refuse to believe good guys finish last, and you get rewarded for breaking all the rules. And if and when that does happen if life, I have to know “I can rise” above it. As I taught my children growing up, sometimes things are not fair, but most of the time they are. I don’t want to carry anger, bitter, sad, confused or frustrated feelings with me day to day.
The serenity prayer says it all.
My very best to all of you.
#20 normapapuma on 08.27.08 at 11:24 pm
I can’t blog very often so maybe that’s why I’m not familiar with what you’re referring to. What is “the obvious most effective action to PUNISH the power thugs in our Party”? Are you allowed to say here?
#104 Bandy on 08.28.08 at 12:45 am
I’m not sure whether she’s still here. I think she’s talking about voting for BO’s opponent–McCain.
I’ve just returned from my friend’s house where we watched Bill and then I went to a coffee shop and talked to another friend for two hours.
#87 Taffy
Thanks Taffy – that was going to be my next step.
#105 jody in florida – Thanks! She must have something bigger in mind then. Because plenty of people talk about voting for McCain here. That’s what I’m planning on now. Nobama for me! Thanks again.
#103 I applaud you, I know the feeling of sadness I had today when Hillary was marched out and had to give up her dreams and her hard work. It brought back to me all the times as a woman I had to take a back seat to a promotion while the men moved on. It reminded me that today I have been at a job over 20 years and I am still not paid what a man would be. I so had hoped that the glass ceiling had been cracked but it hasn’t. I find it pretty ironic that in the end a woman had to pave the way, make the sacrifice . Sometimes it seems that is what I have done most of my life. This time I will take a stand against the democratic party, the most hurtful thing of all for me was to watch the women in this party turn on Hillary. It is still a man’s world and we havent come as far as I had hoped. I will stay in the fight and it isnt as hard as perhaps it would of been if I believed this man was ready to lead but in my heart I know he isnt. You are right, the serenity prayer does say it all
Thanks to you all. It was clear from the coverage that youmade a stand and were heard. It definitely helps that it will be remembered that the opposition to Obama was not racist. It was about the finest candidate ever being pushed aside for a marketing gimick. Obama WILL lose. There is no doubt.I plan to tell all my local democrat officials that they should look to the party’s leadership when they ask why I no longer support them unconditionally. I will now look at their Republican challengers in a new light. AND, I will be voting for John McCain in November.
A special thank you to all the Pumas that went to Denver. Fantastic job of standing up for our rights.
I know that it’s late and I will repost this tomorrow. The number one goal is to defeat BO. Look at this race from his perspective. He was able to game and cheat in the caucuses and buy off the super delegates. In addition, the MSM and the leaders of the DP are his accomplices.
It doesn’t matter what the polls say, BO, ACORN, the DP, the MSM, and lots of wealthy people are backing him. THEY ARE PLACING THEIR OWN SELF INTERESTS BEFORE THE NEEDS OF THE NATION AND ITS CITIZENS.
If you view events from BO’s perspective, he’s cheated and lied and got away with it. In the GE, I am joining forces with Senator McCain, the Republicans, Pumas, and others to defeat him.
By the way, Stanley Kurtz of National Review was the same journalist that exposed the link between BO and ACORN.
Good night all!
I have to say, when I heard her speech to the NY press club, not the one last night but the one yesterday morning to the NY Press, I was moving very close to voting Nobama because she said “i am still committed to the causes that I have been fighting for. In order to accomplish the agenda that I see for the country, I have to have a democratic president.”
I was so close because that speech was more like look, I need this so that we can accomplish the things that are best for this country.
However, after that spectacle and mockery. After Obama’s nomination speech began with “I’m a registered republican” when I know for a fact that multiple delegates were replaced because they refused to unify and then when I found out about strong arming tactics that were engaged and the total mockery made out of our votes cast from January to June of this year, I cannot vote for him. There is nothing that anyone could say to make me vote for him. At the conclusion of Bill’s speech, commentators said “well all the Obama supporters should be happy” What does it matter if they are happy or not? He still needs our votes and he has made no attempt to get our votes and in fact has flagrantly disregarded us.
couldn’t sleep. just checking the blog. see a lot of tired folks and also reflection. i do believe that for those of us who want to fight on, it will be impossible to do if we maintain the level of rage we have had to this point. i, for one, cannot live like that. it’s harmful to my own well being. however, nor do i want to shrink away into a corner and allow this travesty to go unaddressed. i need to find a way to sustain my passion and commitment, while also sustaining myself. i have ignored the latter for many months now and know i cannot and should not continue to do that. so, how to carry on, keep the fire lit to fight another day, but not have it burn me up on the inside. any and all suggestions are welcome.
WE need to keep the fight up people. Think of Rev. Pflegger belittling white people and Hillary…this is who we are talking about. THINK ABOUT IT!!!
BO gave that man $100,000.00 AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS in 2004 for “community services.” BO also failed to contact ONE BLACK FEMALE LEADER during the 2 years he went around this country and spoke to and PROMISED MALE black leaders OWNERSHIP of states and control of MONEY….
DO NOT DRINK THE KOOL AID. STOP LOOKING AT IT THROUGH ROSE COLORED GLASSES. THE ONC SCREWED US AND SCREWED HILLARY AND ARE FAR FAR WORSE THAN THE Republicans because they are HYPOCRITES in addition to being liars and crooks and misogynists.
For those of you not able to fight, go rest. For those of you able to fight, GET READY. This fight is a big one and we need all hands on deck.
Remember Rev. Wright, REMEMBER Rev. Plfegger, Remember Louis Farrakhan, Remember them all because I can damn well promise you they will NEVER forget the promises made to them by SOB….
DO NOT GO GENTLY INTO THE NIGHT….FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!
DO NOT DRINK THE KOOL AID….FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!
McCAIN will be our Victory, if not HILLARY, DOWN WITH FASCISM…down with the ONC!!
Lord, the press just never quits. What is it with them? What in the world have the Clinton’s done to deserve continued disrespect? Nothing, of course, but the media just can’t stop beating them at every turn.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080828/pl_politico/12924&printer=1;_ylt=ArO7E8mcZQKy7rZM7QBFh4zCw5R4
Lord, the press just never quits. What is it with them? What in the world have the Clinton’s done to deserve continued disrespect? Nothing, of course, but the media just can’t stop beating them at every turn.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080828/pl_politico/12924&printer=1;_ylt=ArO7E8mcZQKy7rZM7QBFh4zCw5R4
Lost faith for the moment.
Trying to re-group, but it is difficult.
There are so many venues in which the group to which I belong (aging lower-middle class white female) is or has been discarded as useless garbage. It’s hard to keep picking myself back up and I am tired.
Tonight was another blow.
I’ll feel better later – I hope.
You guys are great – it helps to be among the PUMA spirit. Thank you all for all you do.
Dem4Hillary – If you’re still here. I didn’t hear Obama’s speech that you’re referring to. Was this tonight, during his supposid impromptu appearance. When and where did he say “I’m a registered Republican.” I’m utterly floored (if there’s any floor left!).
NO ONE SAID the war would be easy…nothing worth anything ever is…
This is not one where we can sing songs and love one another, this is a different kind of battle.
take care of you, but then let’s take care of business. If you cannot bare the day to day, just vote with your VOTE COUNTING and taking BO out of hte race. If you can handle the day to day do the prowls, etc.
BUT DO NOT GIVE IN, DO NOT GIVE UP, remember that women have died to give us the right to vote and I’m sorry but breast implants, eating disorders, and rampant poverty among women w/ children who have been abandoned by their husbands is NOT ENOUGH.
Hillary won this battle, and they wrenched it from her. Many watched and did nothing. PUMA BATTLED HARD. We did not win this battle, but we can win the war.
BO MUST BE DEFEATED. Go rest for a week, watch the republicans tear him a new one, and then come back and fight.
I’m begging you…as one puma to another…do not go gently into the night…
sharpclaws – hang in there. i think we’re all wiped out, feeling utterly drained, stunned, disappointed, in a state of disbelief, and likely a bit scared as well.
Funny, I watched the “news” for about an hour and I was clicking around but I don’t really know what happened. I caught a clip of Hillary stopping the vote but the camera was in tight and I couldn’t see, did people boo? did they walk out? The TV news is worthless.
Sleep well Murphy and Mama and all of the PUMA leaders who went to Denver. I think you need a few days rest. We are not going anywhere.
sharpclaws…I’m fighting FOR YOU AND WITH YOU.
Do not let them win. Rest, regroup, and come back. If we simply have you and your mind we can win
Remember this, I would not trade my position for anything. I do not want to be an oppressor, a hater, a misogynist, a liar, a racist and a hypocrite. I would rather be proud and true and good. I am glad that we are on the same side….
I don’t know who it was — or when it was, maybe last night. But someone made an excellent point about saying “not so fast” as far as McCain is concerned. I think we are generally in different states of mad as hell, totally bummed or dismayed. But if we look back at the impact of our movement — the Pumas got the attention of the DNC, Delegates and the MSM – and I think we made an impact but I guess Dean and his flunkies were going to anoint his one-ness come hell or high water. The greek temple is built .. they rented the togas and the kool-aide is flowing.
But … McCain as a candidate looks interesting and he really really needs us and is reaching out to us. But remember as the roll count “vote” was playing out the RNC was busy working their platform which among other things is pusing a constitutional amendment stopping Roe vs. Wade. Definitely not your centrist safe zone.
I say if McCain wants us — not so fast ! he will have to earn us just the same as the anointed one has failed at doing.
Remember — we the Kool-Aide free .. have the smarts to think for ourselves. We had a look at BO and said he is not that guy .. looks slick, sounds nice .. but he is not that guy – we don’t fit into his plans because we questioned his experience.
I say lets pass the hat for a tank of gas for the Puma mobile, get a family size supply of Mosquito repellent and buy a map of Minnesota and make ourselves heard.
Might be fun.
Might be productive.
Let them know we are not that easy …
If November is anything like this DNC convention travesty we are all in trouble. Clearly, there was/is a reason for all of the audacity.
I for one will keep fighting… I keep thinking that our democracy and constitutional rights are not a given. They are not guaranteed to always be there. Was it Franklin who said he gave us a Republic and it’s up to us to keep it? Well — I intend to keep it. So while I may rest tonight — the words of Hillary is cemented in my mind, “When you hear the dogs… keep going.” I thought those words were a message to her delegates as well –to fight against the tyranny of Obama thugs… apparently they didn’t realize the message could apply to them — but it certainly can apply to all of us and gosh darn it — I plan to apply it to my actions. Cause the truth is — if we live those words in our daily actions and choices… it’s the most empowering thing we will ever experience.
#123 I live in Minnesota and there isnt a lot of excitement for the convention but maybe it will come after this charade is over
WELCOME HOME ….
All you great PUMA warriors who did just a fantastic job in Denver! Get some well-deserved rest.
#119 jenniforhillary
“NO ONE SAID the war would be easy…nothing worth anything ever is…”
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Exactly… and as disappointing as today has been… sometimes things have to go a certain way. Sometimes things have to take a turn for the worse before we can get to the better. If anyone has seen the movie “Charlie Wilson’s War” — it’s an outstanting movie that has a ton of relevance to what is going on now and what led up to now. But in that movie — the story of the Zen master is a lesson to take with us in everything that happens. Sometimes bad things seem awful but ultimately lead to great results… and visa versa. So the Zen master’s response to anything — whether it seems bad or whether it seems good — he has the same response… “We’ll see.”
That’s how I feel tonight. It may seem like a bad day… but I’ll simply say, “We’ll see.”
MamaPuma and Murphy and all the Denver contingent…thank you!!!!!
I know what an exhausting route that is, and I only wish I could’ve helped. You did a STELLAR job.
And now, how fitting that, like Bill, you are home or on the way. The Clintons were the only reason to tune in and now it’s over.
Bruce, did you notice how no network mentioned Bill’s neverending ovation?
I signed up to help McCain, the first hour of today, just after midnight.
And I remain committed to PUMA actions. The DNC must pay for their betrayal and we must progress democracy ourselves.
I am going to stay with pumas all the way. Nobama will not get my vote. For all of you who have decided to vote for McCain, go to his web site and join Democrats and Independents for McCain. Maybe there will be such a surge of Democrats joing McCain’s Team that the DNC will start to see what they have done tonight. It’s too late now for them to try to make amends and get us to jump on the Nobama band wagon. I can not see myself ever voting for a Democrat again. (unless it is Hillary) If they think they don’t need us, they will get a rude awakening in November.
I was hoping at least some of our prowls had worked. They seemed to be. But today, the DNC made sure Americans would not see how many voters were supporting Hillary. They made a joke of democracy. They took my vote and gave it to Nobama. They made a sham of the roll call.
If that was not bad enough, they showed President Clinton disrespect by not giving him a prime time speaking slot . I will consider myself an Independent from now on.
I had planned to vote for McCain anyway if Hillary was not the nominee. Not because I was angry or bitter, but because he is the next best candidate. I admire and respect him. I can not say the same for Nobama.
A third party is starting to look better and better. Murphy’s right; tomorrow is another day.
Oh, and the peace silver dollar is so gorgeous…it soothes one to look at it.
Hmmmm….whoever suggested Progressive Union Party?
PUP…a very cute acronym, but kind of at odds with PUMA.
Let’s keep trying along the lines of your thinking!
Evening PUMAs… Well as we all knew… it’s been an incredibly difficult day for all of us. I got the news about what had happened during the roll call vote while I was at work and I’ve been depressed ever since. I’ve been talking to my friends and they have made some great points. But the thing that really got me was a thought I had. During the latter parts of the Primary seasons Hillary would always say something like this toward the end of her speechs. (Speeches? That just doesn’t look right….)
“To the young mothers and fathers out there who can lift their little girls up on their shoulders and say ‘See? You can be anything you want to be’”
But that’s not true is it? That’s what this Primary has shown me. Now I will say, I am a young man with no children. But I think about the future alot. And I know someday I’m going to have a little girl or a little boy. Some of my friends (Both my age bracket and older) have kids of their own. Now what do you say when your little girl, who is old enough to kind of understand what’s been going on, that there is a woman running for President I mean, walks up to you and asks
“Mommy (Or daddy)? Why didn’t she win?”
How do you answer that? It brings me to tears to think that we might have to say “Because she’s a woman”
And I really hope I didn’t offend anyone by saying that by the way.
I refuse to accept the farse of this convention…. I registered as “none of these parties”, so I suppose that means I officialy own my own vote….
” recieved a nice little letter from Hillary’s campaign asking for a controbution. This was my response:
I wanted to take the time that I have the utmost respect for you and President Clinton, and I amazed at your strength and courage…. However I refuse to vote for Obama who manipulated this election to benefit him…. His online supporters have been out right nasty and belittling. I refuse to come down to their level, I expect them to come up to mine…. If they want my respect they will earn it. however they have already lost my vote…..
Look at it the other way around: not what Hillary negotiated for us, but what leverage we gave to her. Because of PUMAS not falling in line, Hillary ended the primaries stronger than ever. Well positioned for 2012. If we did fall in line, she would be under the bus, with no chances to compete in 2012. In addition, she will not be accused for robbing the chances of the first viable AA candidate. He will do it, himself.
Please, take time to smell the roses!
We gave her the opportunity to be our president in four years.
I believe from this point on it will be much easier. We have two years to prepare, vs. two months!
Furthermore, when the DNC really understands that we will not fall in line (they will get it only in November), they will never again take us, or our candidate for granted.
#132 InuHanyou
No you would tell her “because they cheated” That’s why alot of people won’t vote for them this year!
Hey anna7000:
It was his nominating speech to put his name into nomination. It was given by a young democrat from Tennessee who said “As a registered republican”
Now here is the real kicker: Tennessee does not have party registration. So, Obama’s own nomination speech began with a bold face lie that was said for what I assume to be good political theater and rhetoric
test
did everyone leave?
#139 Dem4Hillary
I think there are still people here. There have been alot of problems with the site. But then again, it is very late…
On that note. PUMAs I am going to bed. I’m very upset about all of this and I just can’t stick around with you tonight. I’ll see you all tomorrow. Sleep well. We end prowling tomorrow and go on the attack. Now is our time.
#24 LivingGrace
I’m sure you’ve gone on to bed now (an hour after the post) but I have to say this. Hopefully you’ll find it in the morning. The weepy story of the Biden family is all fine and good but with all due respect, what does it have to do with BO being a good president? What does MO being able to cry on cue for the camera have to do with BO being a good president?
Saying we just have to resolve ourselves to accepting something unacceptable so we can find peace, is not the spirit this country was founded on. Remember the Boston Tea Party?
This whole “historic FIRST woman, FIRST black man blah, blah, blah, is really starting to grate on me. If we really do believe in equality, lets stop drawing attention to our differences (race, religion or gender) and just fight for the best PERSON to lead America.
As for being sucked in by anything Bill uttered in his speech, look at his quote less than 24 hours earlier. Listen to the clips from his primary speeches. He no more believed that drivel he was spilling tonight than we did. We may never know the truth about how they convinced him to stand up and say those things about BO tonight. But it did not line up with anything he’s said or done so far in this election.
Don’t let exhaustion and emotion cloud your logical thinking. Hope you feel better soon and get some sweet rest. Take time off and heal yourself. The tide is turning and Americans are smarter than BO gives them credit for.
As far as Bill’s speech, his hand was shaking when he went to get a drink of water. I truly feel for him. I’ll be writing him a letter soon.
Yes, obama’s nominating speech began with this:
Michael Wilson
I’m Mike Wilson, and as a small
-town Tennessee guy
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and a registered Republican
—
I
can’t tell you what an honor it is to be here today to nominate Barack Obama as the next President of the United States.
What has happened with the lawsuit? It showed to have been filed 8-21-08. I would have thought some of the fox group Greta was the one to recieve a copy. If this continues to be pursued will the nomination be returned to Hillary or will it go to Biden
layaway i would have to check the rules again. I know there is a possibility that it can be given to Hillary if bo resigns or is found unfit for office
I try to sleep, but my anger and frustration of the event today in Denver is making me restless. I’m like a PUMA in a cage walking around and getting agitated ever second, thinking how to break those iron bars around me. They’re offering me a beautiful steak in golden platter, but I’m not taking it; I wouldn’t even drink water from the golden cup even when I’m dying of thirst.
LivingGrace, that’s how I feel, I’ve finally found the right words to express it. Our single vote guaranteed under our constitution is the backbone of Democracy, remove it; Democracy is DEAD. We have lost the battle today, PUMAPAC and JSND only have 60 days to prepare; but we’ve all done something quite remarkable -in that short span of time, we all become savvy in organization, we’re a very focus group. We don’t have millions of dollars like they do, what we have is our number. We have a purpose, we all know what to do, we have to fix our corrupt democratic process or else we’ll eventually lose democracy; this two goes hand in hand, one can’t survive without the other.
The DNC and NObama have committed the grievest mistake and UNFORGIVABLE, due to their own greed and hunger for power, they’ve destroyed trust and confidence of the American people towards their party. The democratic party have trampled upon what we all embrace as SACRED, OUR VOTE. They’ve respected us and laugh about it and say, “they’ll come around.” We’re not coming around, WE WILL TEACH THEM LESSON in November and for many years to come, until they understand REAL POWER RESIDES WITH THE PEOPLE AS PROMULGATED IN OUR CONSTITUTION.
NO WAY, NO HOW. NOBAMA!
The war for democracy will not stop…….I hear the cry of 18 million plus more who saw such injustice in the last two days…….I will not vote Obama/Biden/Ayers/Wright/Oprah/Brazille/Dean/
Polosie , OR ANY ONE ELSE DOWN TICKET WHO WAS PART OF THIS FARCE! I WILL NOT FALL IN LINE!
I STILL OWN MY VOTE….GO PUMA PARTY!
#144 LayawayLou
I don’t know the rules, and this election cycle has shown us that common sense doesn’t count for much. However, if Hillary got 18 million votes and Biden dropped out of the race a long time ago, it makes sense that Hillary would become the nominee. After all, Biden was “named,” and Hillary was voted for.
Too little, too late from the now nominee. Moving on, moving forward.
In contrast to the stated hopes of so many, Senator Obama never reached out to Hillary Clinton or her supporters following her suspension. He did not help pay down her debt in any meaningful way. There was not a real roll call vote during the convention acknowledging Hillary’s historical accomplishment. Thus, the candidate of change is completely disconnected from half the Democrat Party, and anything he does now to that effect can be considered disingenuous…and viewed as pandering.
To discourage the type of behavior the Obama campaign epitomized, the corruption in the Democrat Party must be excised going forward. The Party must be brought back to its core values. This is an impossible task under the current power brokers. People like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and John Kerry must be ousted, as well as all senators and congressional representatives who as superdelegates voted opposite their constituents’ wishes. The same holds true for those who prematurely endorsed Senator Obama in order to suppress the vote, upstage Hillary as she won more and more big states, or coerce voters into following their lead and switching over. There are strong candidates opposing most of these folks this fall.
We must also demand that junta heads Howard Dean and Donna Brazile resign when Obama loses in November; if they don’t step down immediately at that time, we must make any future financial support of the DNC contingent on their leaving.
The entire Democrat primary process needs to be reformed, starting with the elimination of caucuses and superdelegates. The voting itself should be confined to no more than two to three months; 10 states should each vote over five specified dates on a rotating calendar of states, with campaigning in between the various election days. These restrictions alone would assure a fairer, more cost-effective process in which someone with little or no national experience would be weeded out early due to lack of recognition and accomplishment. This would limit the financial burden to citizens supporting these candidates over too many months. This would also end the bribing of superdelegates that came to light this time around and which has probably always taken place. At its end, the process should culminate in a true and honest roll call vote according to traditional DNC rules without intimidation or bribery.
Probably the most important thing we can also do starting now is to work with John McCain to add healthcare reform to his platform, and to secure an agreement that he will give Hillary an influential role in his administration in that capacity. This is a worthwhile effort even for folks who plan to stay home in November or select a third-party candidate, or for those who may eventually drink the arsenic-laced kool-aid.
Since America is not realistically going to put someone in office with little more than 140 days in the U.S. Senate, it would serve us well to work with John McCain and Carly Fiorina to ensure that we are heard on the issues FDR’s party traditionally stood for and cared about. Senator McCain’s people already seem to be listening to Hillary supporters more than Senator Obama ever did. They will virtually lock in a win if they address these issues in a way that connects with Clinton and Reagan Democrats.
The corrupt media needs to be exposed; Geraldine Ferraro is calling for studies by research groups to help quantify the bias shown on behalf of Barack Obama and against Hillary Clinton during the primary. MSNBC, NBC, CNN, CBS and several far-left blog sites have proved to be beyond biased, and some of these should be permanently avoided, their sponsors boycotted.
Finally, we should elect more women to congress. Overall, their record (Nancy Pelosi excepted) is on the humane side of most issues we all care about. Kim Gandy of NOW had an article to this effect entitled Dragging Society Out of the Dark Ages: Elected Women Make a Difference, May 16, 2008, in her newsletter, Below the Belt. Many pro-women’s issues’ organizations have sprouted up since Hillary began her race for the White House, including notably, WomenCount.pac, which was so forceful and effective in getting its message out demanding fair treatment of Hillary and pushing back against the coercive calls for her early withdrawal.
#141
Kudos to your post!
correction:disrespected us
this is what happen when I get real angry.
LayawayLou –
I’ve been following the Berg lawsuit – The documents are now in Dean’s hands, it has made it through the first rounds – Motion to Dismiss, etc.
No, Biden will not be choice as his was only the nominated VP of an ineligible nominee, Obama.
There is some difference of opinion on what happens next if it goes through – some think Hillary, as the second place finisher would step in, some think new votes would have to be cast. Most don’t know what would happen, since no party has ever tried to get a non-qualified person elected POTUS.
Leave it to the DNC to screw things up. I do know it is on a fast-track for resolution, but if Obama wins before it is settled he is sure to pull a Bush and seal all the records. He’s trying to do that now.
A thought about Bill Clinton’s speech. He talked about how we have to remember that there was a time when the Republicans had control of the White House and the majority of the other government offices and we saw the effects of what happened when one party had that much control…. (he then proceeded to describe the increase in homelessness, deficit, war, etc.). In the context of this he also made the observation (and I thought a brilliant thought) about the power of example rather than example of power.
I took all of this to mean that he was laying out a course of action for us to keep in mind. That we also have to be equally aware of that much power with the Democrats… especially in the context that while the Clintons are about power through example… Obama (and the DNC) is about example through their power. It’s all connected (those two thoughts).
Unfortunately — I don’t think many people are discerning enough. Or pay attention to the details enough to get it (“it” being the “read between the lines” message of what he’s really warning the public to be against).
#119 jenniforhillary – Well said! Ditto 142 million! (registered voters)
I came to this site, led by God…to stand against evil! Some may say that is a harsh word but hindsight being 20/20…it is actually mild!
I am an Independent that over the years have voted for both parties depending on the person. From the very beginning, every time I heard *61 speak; something inside me stirred. I could not understand the feeling since so many were flocking to him.
I started to pray and asked God what was it that I was feeling and He let me know it was…evil! One that wants to devour others souls and minds. What could I do? I searched and searched and was led here to become a PUMA!
To take a stand yesterday, today and tomorrow that evil will not rule in the USA and usher in a greater evil! When MO could only say, “I love this country” but referred to changing the world…I knew that our fight has just begun.
Will I turn back…never! Will I speak up…every day! Will they try to stop me…yes! Will I vote for *61…never! Will we win…absolutely! God has our backs!
We have all witnessed evil’s progress and we seen it become confused, angry and hateful when we took a stand. I will stand and shout from the hilltop…NOBAMA!
Yes, words and I repeat words will set them free from evil! Words give life or death. 18 million is only 8% of what can win the presidential election. The other 92% are waiting to hear the truth from PUMAS!
PUMAS – People United Means Action and we are about to engage into one of the most fantastic journeys of life that will unite and save Americans! Yes Hillary you were right, it was not just about you, it is about standing against evil no matter what the cost is!
Halligan???? Still on??
Asian4Hillary,
Darlin’ you are spot on!
Anyone still here, I will chat about the convention. Have been here since Monday afternoon. It has been crazy and weird and emotional and more. How about you ask me questions as I am pretty exhausted?
Here’s how I discovered the PUMA PAC, the day the DNC hi-jacked four of Clinton’s delegates and allocated them to Obama in Michigan and bestow the gift of 55 delegates of undecided voters to Obama and then to give Florida and Michigan delegates 1/2 vote each….
That clearly was not the will of the people. A few days later Hillary suspended her campaign….. I was so over whelmed I went online and googled Hillary versus Obama and came across the PUMA PAC. I realized that I was not the only one that was thinkin What the F*$k, and here I am today say how in the hell did this happen….
Hello my dear fellow pumas.
Reporting from Denver.
Southjerseypuma, BillieJo and I were all feeling a little frustrated after the bogus roll call vote today, so we did a little prowl of our own. We put a Hillary bumper sticker over an Obama sticker on a car parked next to us. SJP will post a link to the video-it was hilarious. We are all representing you here in Denver in spirit. We were stopped many times today ( dressed if full HRC regalia) by like-minded supporters and HRC delegates so happy to see us. Well, we took a little hit today with the rigged roll call, but don’t worry——we will have the last laugh in Nov. We must work hard to make sure BO is not our next POTUS, and Dean, Pelosi, Brazile and the other corrupt dems will certainly lose all their power , respect and their positions in the party. We can do this, and we will.
Rest up and get ready to show the Democratic party what conviction and Democracy really looks like. We have nothing else to lose now-and everything to gain.
The media and our party has tried to marginalize us, but we are PUMAS and fighting the good fight for true Democracy. I believe in myself and I believe in you. Let’s get ready to kick some serious @ss. Puma love from Denver.
If I read this correctly, Pelosi would confer with Democratic leadership of congress and with the Democratic governor’s association, then report back to the dnc which would fill the vacancy.
diva 2
Is it true that most of the Clinton delegates have left Denver?
What is the mood or attitude of the Democrats at the convention?
#141 notfollowinthepiedpiper
Couldn’t have said it better if I tried… amen to that.
And I have one more thought to add. If anyone thinks that maybe it won’t be so bad if BO winds up as POTUS… if anyone has doubts and wonders if maybe we’re just making a mountain out of a mole hill… then answer me this? Why is his constituients living under the poorest conditions imaginable? Why is his brother living on $1 a month? Why is the African city he grew up in living in poverty and still waiting for him to fulfill the promises he made to them? Yet he lives in a mansion and redesigns a plane that says President on his seat… to take him all around the world while he plays G-d over the little minions under his feet. He spends money like it’s water to maintain the appearance of a Greek G-d for the cameras and throws an unbelievable amount of money at the press to maintain the narrative and shut them up.
How do you expect this man to balance a budget and bring fiscal responsibility to us? I’m not going to lull myself into believing for one minute that our fight is too much. Bring it… I’m ready. I’m a PUMA and when those dogs are barking at my heels — I’m ready to fight cause a PUMA doesn’t take kindly to dogs barking at it’s heels.
#162 I spoke to one after the speeches tonite and she said she was disappointed that Hillary didn’t win, but then she said we are all democrats, aren’t we?
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=304729375940845
Annenberg Papers: Putting On Ayers?
not even 24 hrs on the nomination and its starting to come hard for Obama poor DNC lol
I was so in hopes that this would put a stop to this farce before today. I realize that it was just filed last Thursday. What would it have took for someone in law enforcement to have hand delivered this personally and publically to have put an end to this agony. It would be funny if tomorrow at his speech if it was stopped for all of the fraud that has occured.
I would think that the nominee would then go to the only candidate with the most votes.
I lit a candle:
Mourning the Death of America
DNC treason.
one I spoke to was scared by the strong armed tactics that had been used on delegates and was leaving town early.
160 awesome
163 that is exactly the way I feel they will all lose and they will look at this event in the future with regret this was the day they sold out
#165
Thanks for the link. Kurtz is the same reporter that exposed the link between BO and ACORN.
Diva 2
I didn’t watch the convention tonight or Monday. What type of reaction is MO and Biden receiving from the convention crowds?
Dear Pumas,
Joe Biden sent me an email just now titled “It’s official.” I’m enclosing his email, followed by my response.
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A few hours ago, Barack Obama was officially nominated as the Democratic candidate for president of the United States.
And just a few moments ago, I accepted our party’s nomination for vice president.
I made my case to everyone watching — Barack Obama will secure America at home and restore our reputation abroad. And John McCain will only extend the failed policies of George Bush.
But this isn’t my moment. It’s all of ours.
And the fight ahead will be like nothing you’ve ever seen.
The stakes couldn’t be higher, and Barack and I need your help right now.
Please make a donation of $5 or more now and support this campaign to bring the change we need:
https://donate.barackobama.com/tonight
Thank you for making this possible,
Joe
*******************************
Joe –
It’s official. Democracy has died today. But have no fear. Millions of us will be working tirelessly between now and November to defeat Obama and send him back to the underworld from which he came.
We had contact with a Hillary supporter who represented latinos inside the convention and his info correlated with the info in this article.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_10301038?source=rss
A personal friend of mine was singled out today for continuing to stand up for Hillary. The Clinton whip for Tennessee announced she was voting for Obama and my friend demanded that she step down as the Tennessee caucus whip for Clinton. The paper basically painted my friend as a bitter woman who was refusing to unify when in reality she was carrying the thousands of votes with her to get them officially recognized at the DNC. Unfortuantely, since we were behind NY our votes were never publically acknowledged.
another friend of mine decided that she could not take the strong arm tactics that she was experiencing before the convention and she gave up her convention spot.
Did y’all notice all the empty seats during roll call? I do think most clinton delegates have left and my friends who are there from Tennessee have no plans to attend Nobama’s speech at Invesco.
#163 thanks, mzebest
I was beginning to get worried here. I think all this “giving up” and “giving in ” talk has to do more with disappointment and exhaustion than true resignation. It should all look better in the morning….ooops it’s already morning isn’t it?
Here are some of my thoughts, posted on neutral territory with links to the Berg lawsuit, the Annenburg Papers, etc.
If I bore or anger anyone, I apologize in advance. If so, perhaps you can just check out the links in the messages and disregard the rest.
First shot across the bow:
Where do you guys go for your “talking points?”
The Orange Bomb Shelter? “It’ll be all Clinton’s fault if our boy loses! Waaa-waaa-waaa!” Oh, yeah, right!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvO7C-cgALI
You guys must be gathering nightly at the same place, because you all sound alike………Get over it. Unlike Obama’s bots, we don’t follow our leader’s commands “just because she said so.” We own our own votes.
And if Obama loses after this, it’s because Obama isn’t good enough for the majority of voters. NOT, because of the voters inability to fall in line with the DNC’s wishes…OR some kind of spell Clinton has cast over the whole country. I know you boys say she’s a witch, but you don’t really THINK that, do you? She must be some powerful leader to be able to direct the WHOLE FUCKNG COUNTRY to vote for her. Maybe she should be president or something. With that kind of power, imagine the possibilities!
Of course, Obama could just steal the election the same way he is attempting to do with the nomination, then you little wankers won’t have anything to worry about, will you? (Except for those pesky citizens who will hound his presidency daily demanding an investigation into his illegal activities — but, Obama can just follow Bush’s script and he shouldn’t have to actually step down, you know?) In that regard, he’s about as close to being a Neo-Con as Carl Rove, himself…Oh, don’t even bother denying it, the whole world knows the truth — his illegal activities are being documented as we post.
Obama needs to get off his ass and DO something that he actually supports for more than 5 minutes! If he’s such a uniter, why can’t he unite his own party? Hillary isn’t his momma. She has no responsibility to win this election for him. That’s for O’s Ho’s to do. And, I must say, you boys are doing a pretty. shitty. job.
Quit crying, you big babies. You got the toy you’ve been belly-achin’ for. Now go play with it.
Links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8t4PKGc2Fw&eurl=http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/08/24/party-time/
http://www.lynettelong.com/caucusfraud/the-caucus-factor.html
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/
http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/delegates-voting-at-hotels-election-fraud-continues/
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-64489
http://www.obamacrimes.com/
http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/8-obama-citizenship-lawsuit-info-sheet
http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/4-forensic-analysis-of-obama-birth-certificate
n.b.: Check out the links on the lawsuit in PA contesting Obama’s citizenship — Oh, yeah, you sure won’t hear anything about THAT on CNN, MSNBC, CBS or any OTHER MSM! Obama has more powerful people funneling him into the presidency than Bush ever had in his wildest wet dreams. Disgusting — he makes Edwards denials look like bible verses! How long will it take before the average citizen finds out about these things?
FirebellePuma
Wow, what an awesome response “send him back to the underworld from which he came” –
Pumas, we are on a roll!
Thank You to All the PUMAS that gave of their time to fight in Denver. I could not attend, but was there in spirit.
I too have regrets…but with every failure or let down, there is always an important message to learn and grow stronger from.
The mission of PUMA was to not only voice our opposition to the unfair and sexist treatment of a qualified candidate, but to also oppose the DNC style of politics and corruption that was evident throughout this election process thus far.
Our voices were abused, manipulated, misused, ridiculed, rejected, and finally erased! I own my own vote, and I am insulted at what the DNC pulled off over these past months. HRC’s inspirational speech does not change those feelings ESPECIALLY when the candidate they ask us to support was NEVER on my list of potential candidates for POTUS. The more I researched his life, the more I grew positive of my decision.
I am not Bitter.
As brilliant, dedicated, empowered, compassionate and patriotic Americans we owe it to the Democracy of this Free Nation and to its Forefathers to preserve the rights they so bravely fought for. Equality, Freedom of speech, the Right to Vote and elect our representatives in government, etc.
I will fight for those rights for myself, my daughter, and for the children of others I do not know. I will fight if someone threatens to take those rights away from me.
Personally, I made my decision several months ago in reference to which causes I would support during and after these elections….
1-Women’s Rights and Fair Treatment causes
2-Pushing for Restructuring of Voting Practices
3-Putting country Before Party and oppose the DNC’s choice of an unqualified presidential candidate by voting Republican.
We are all free to make our own decisions. Please, be wise about who you choose to support as President of this great nation.
Thank You again for all those who stood up for what they believed in.
god, this is so ironic. I’m watching PBS. They are doing a special on the 1960s. They are covering when MLK was killed in Memphis. They just showed the new wreath that Hillary helped put there this past April. Jesse Jackson was just interviewed. That was a real part of our history as Americans. Obama IGNORED it this year. It was the 40th anniversary and OBAMA IGNORED it and simply gave passing acknowledgement from a speech in Indiana.
That night RFK single handedly kept Indianapolis from going into riot. RFK who was speaking to the minority, the blue collar workers, the constituency of the Democratic Party and they used a comment made by Hillary who was honoring RFK as a racist comment.
#175 EWard
Yes. And his running mate is Satan. (Joe Biden was merely a late add to the team. Obama has been running with Satan since the race began.)
Shot # 2 across the Bow:
(Last comment is in moderation – sure hope I’m not being too offensive for the forum. I can be pretty harsh when I’m all worked up……Oh, well, here goes):
Obama & the DNC are being sued in a PA court for fraud regarding Obama’s COLB.
Fact.checker.org is operated by
The Annenburg Group,which is connected to Ayers, who is connected to Obama, who is a LIAR!
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jzhxdkuecq3l3HWnAFXwQfQrQyLgD92LKT6G0
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/jacob-s-lybbert/2008/08/19/bill-ayers-barack-obama-annenburg-challenge
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=MTgwZTVmN2QyNzk2MmUxMzA5OTg0ODZlM2Y2OGI0NDM
So anything this “group” produces in defense of Obama is a sham.
One of the ways Obama’s team tries to block any complaints about him is by denigrating ANY website that doesn’t come from THEIR approved list. There are many progressive socialists out there who are beginning to see through this crap. I am only one of millions.
Above is an article from the Associated press. Read for yourself what they have to say about all this. And this is only one of many articles coming out on Obama’s deceptions. We are only just now finding out about Barack — he has a very thin public resume. Do your own research. Find out who Obama REALLY is.
The more Obama’s people try to quiet his opponents, the more people will follow the trail back to who this man really is. Is this who we want to be our president? I don’t believe one thing that comes out of his mouth about how he’ll make progressive changes — he takes a different stance every time he talks. He’s a puppet for oil-backed, powerful corporate interests. Nothing more!
Obama’s whole team is made up of has-been 70’s-era radicals. I say to every one of these aging little white boys from KOS:
GET A LIFE AND STOP TRYING TO TRAIN-HITCH A RIDE TO THE PRESIDENCY ON REAL PROGRESSIVES RAILS.
WE DON’T WANT YOU, FLAKES!!! REAL PROGRESSIVES LOVE THIS COUNTRY AND DON’T CRY OUT FROM OUR PHONY PULPITS, “G*D DAMN AMERICA!”
HARASS ME ALL YOU WANT. I WILL NOT STOP FIGHTING FOR DEMOCRACY!
It is beyond me how that comment by Hillary was racist but they keep comparing Obama to the Kennedys. We all know what happened to JFK. It is bizarre that they would continue to compare Obama to JFK.
Links from first shot across the bow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8t4PKGc2Fw&eurl=http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/08/24/party-time/
http://www.lynettelong.com/caucusfraud/the-caucus-factor.html
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/
http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/delegates-voting-at-hotels-election-fraud-continues/
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-64489
http://www.obamacrimes.com/
http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/8-obama-citizenship-lawsuit-info-sheet
http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/4-forensic-analysis-of-obama-birth-certificate
Firebelle
Halligan,
We’re all upstairs. Come join us.
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Thanks, Firebelle. As you saw, I was talking to myself. It was lonely down in the basement.
Underworld? Describe it.
Third shot across the bow (Just a little humor at the expense of our friends over at the Daily KOS.):
How quickly opinions change! Daily KOS, 10/02/2007:
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” — Upton Sinclair, “The Jungle”
*WE NEED MORE AND BETTER DEMOCRATS*
And thanks to all who have reminded me of things I’d forgotten over the years (jeebus, was that today’s Joe Biden? Where the hell have I been? (staying 19 forever can be tough on one’s available memory cells, as can microbrews)). Daily KOS, 10/02/2007
If Ghengis Khan was the next nomination Biden would somehow slide him through the process.
The ‘other woman’ was Angela Wright, someone with whom I had a professional acquaintance at the time. Wright was very credible. Her story corroborated much of Hill’s description of Thomas. On the day Wright was set to testify, Biden announced Wright would not be brought forth, effectively making the story a she-said, he-said confrontation between only Hill and Thomas.
The media failed to come back and report on the details of Wright’s story.
Oh do we remember Biden. And Spector. Those hearings were awful. Painful. And a downright disgrace.
And that is exactly why
I would not support him in the primary.
Biden stated: “The presumption is w/ you, Judge”
Which was the most idiotic statement of a career that has, sadly, seen more of its share of idiotic statements. I still don’t understand that statement to this day.
Thomas was seeking a lifetime SCOTUS app’t for which he was marginally qualified at best. He had already testified under oath that he had never discussed Roe v. Wade in private even though it came out when he was in law school and even though law students always discuss important new SCOTUS opinions. A credible witness had come forward to raise questions about his fitness for the job.
Under that set of circumstances, WTF was Biden talking about? Why was there a presumption w/ the witness who voluntarily thrust himself forward and who had everything to gain from those proceedings? Why was there not a presumption w/ the witness who didn’t come forward voluntarily and who had nothing to gain from the proceedings?
Biden in particular and the Dems in general did a very poor job in that process.
yes, i never liked him after that
He displayed some true sexism in the hearings, as did most of the Senators, both Rs and Ds.
yup, i remember his smile then, chesire cat!
he was busy being “nice and fair” to the repubs all the while saddling the american people with this loser for generations. there are consequences, biden.
I will never forgive him for that
Joe Biden was the single reason Thomas’ nomination went through. If he had done his job and let the witnesses be heard, we might very well have kept Thomas off the bench.
And hen his stance on the bankruptcy bill just sealed the deal for me. He is right below Joe L. in the list of democrats I most wish to see gone from the Senate.
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Less than a year later……Daily KOS, 8/23/2008:
Biden – A fighter against violence against women
by maineiac
Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 04:55:06 AM PDT
[Note: This is an adaptation of a diary I wrote called "What you probably don't know about Joe Biden." It's part of Biden's story that is not as well known as his work on national security and foreign policy. And I'd say that it tells you a lot about him. I'm old enough to remember coverage of the Biden hearings for the Violence Against Women Act; I don't know if the msm paid attention but the feminist press did.]
I suspect most people know about Biden because of his activities on foreign policy. But there’s something he did that is much less known, but is very significant. How significant? Biden called it, “The single, most important legislative accomplishment in my 32-year-old career in the Senate.”
So what was did Biden do? Joe Biden is the Senator most responsible for federal policy to combat violence against women. He took on the issue, learned a good deal about it, and got a bill passed under difficult political circumstances. And he has not left this issue alone. He has continued to be a leader in the fight against violence against women.
And, via the National Domestic Violence Volunteer Attorney Network Act, Biden has also been working to try to make sure women have access to lawyers to help them file for orders of protection.
That’s real leadership. He was a pioneer in the federal realm and he’s followed through and kept this a priority.
As a life-long feminist, I’m proud that Barack Obama chose Biden as vp.
Biden has a strong record on Crime and fighting violence against all Americans.
Your original diary is one of the reasons I am happy about Obama’s choice. I also like that Biden is so dedicated to his family and I think a lot of Americans will identify with that.
I had posted a comment about this before. This (3+ / 0-)
is why I love Joe Biden. I had said there was a time when a man could beat their wife. The police would come and just tell the guy to go take a walk. Because of the Violence Against Women Act it made it unacceptable. This law gave funding to battered women shelters, grants for hotel rooms of battered spouses and their children who could not afford it, offered job training to women who left their spouse and as the diarist said protected women from stalking. I am one of many children who benefited from this bill. I am so proud that Joe Biden will be our VP..
We are watching John McCain decompose right before our very eyes..
Received a donation request from the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee in today’s mail:
They are targeting the following senators from the following states:
Alaska R – Ted Stevens vs. D – Mark Begich
Colorado r – Bob Schaffer vs. D – Mark Udall
Kansas R – Pat Roberts vs. D – Jim Slattery
New Mexico R – Steve Pearce vs. D -Tom Udall
Kentucky R – Mitch McConnell vs. D -Bruce Lunsford
Virginia R – Jim Gilmore vs. D -Mark Warner
N. Carolina R – Elizabeth Dole vs. D -Kay Hagan
Oregon R – Gordon Smith vs. D -Jeff Merkley
Minnesota R – Norm Coleman vs. D – Al Franken
New Hampshire R – John Sununu vs. D -Jeanne Shaheen
Maine R – Susan Collins vs. D – Tom Allen
Of you need additional information, go to http://www.dscc.org/TwiceTheEffort
Defeating Democratic candidates that endorsed Obama would send a message.
Udalls are strong in their respective states and are good moderate Democrats with high ratings in environmental issues. I don’t recall seeing them on the O financial funding list. Jeff Merkley in Oregon (in my opinion) is not a strong candidate, but he riding on O’s shirt tails. MO’s brother is the new football or basketball coach at Oregon State University. And of course Oregon went heavily O in the liberal and rural areas of the state. Merkley is running against Gordon Smith who has worked across the isle with Obama on some issues (he’s using it in his ads). However, Smith has been a Bushie from the beginning. he comes from the eastside rural part of the state where Republicans dominate. Al Franken is a progressive, started Air America. It’s a tight race. Of course, we all know about Ted Stevens in Alaska. I doubt he’d win with all the ethics violations. And of course, you know about Mark Warner in Virginia (O’s best friend) and Kay Hagen who is strongly supported by Emily’s list against Elizabeth Dole. If any of you have any in state knowledge of these candidates, let other PUMAs know. Not all Democrats are “bad” people and some states may need those listed for some very important reasons. We need to know what those reasons are and just where they are for PUMA causes.
174 notfollowinthepiedpiper
“I was beginning to get worried here. I think all this “giving up” and “giving in ” talk has to do more with disappointment and exhaustion than true resignation. It should all look better in the morning….”
I think that’s exactly what is happening. Give Obama enough rope to hang himself — again with his next stupid move and everyone will get fighting mad enough to pick up the fight again. I’m just not the type that needs another reminder. I suspect you aren’t either.
“ooops it’s already morning isn’t it?”
Yeah… where does the time fly… I need to be in bed. LOL
there are some nasty stories here. won’t go into them but know we MUST fight against what happens so it never happens again. Along the same line, a local station was asked why do the parties hold the conventions? Are they necessary and worth the expense? The answer was that they are NOT necessary, but held as a feel good event and for a bump in the polls. On average a Dem candidate receives a 2-3% bump, a Repub 5-7%. The biggest bump will come with the debates when the issues are finally addressed. It was asked why so much money was being spent that could be used to help people in the country and the reporter’s response? That’s another good question!
#181 halligan on 08.28.08 at 2:50 am
[[Thanks, Firebelle. As you saw, I was talking to myself. It was lonely down in the basement.]]
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You’re a good conversationalist. LOL
And the basement beats the dungeon.
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Underworld? Hot. Lots of fire. You know …
Yes, Diva. I’m still on, but was down in the basement. How I got down there, I don’t know. Bad day here, but okay. I’m still picking up toys from 3 gkids for the last 3 days. I’m “bushed”. You’re suppose to be in bed asleep taking care of yourself. Naughty, naughty! Thanks for being in Denver for all of us.
Firebelle
Burnnnnnnnnn! I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy.
I would like to say that all your posts are great , you share you feelings and sentiments in a very smart way
All of you are strong , driven , articulate , smart and fighters . This night has been very difficult for all of us that bare hope that this great injustice was just a dream and that everything would be the way it should be . I think that the DNC wanted so much to be the first to have an African American Presidential Candidate that they bought into the fantasy , they also know that the african american community would not forgive them and even have riots if this guy was treated unfairly , So instead they sacrificed Hillary and the Party , the were not counting on this revolution . Most of those so call leaders of the party hate the Clintons . But they were not counting on the fact that the more they knock her down the more she wanted it and the more she fought the more we fell in love with her ideas and solutions , we grew at least in my household from admiration to Love , we love Hillary we admire Hillary and what she stands for .
Iam so sure that the DNC did not count with that support and affection from so many people . Then the light shined and PUMA as well as other organizations provided the place for all of us that were lost , angry , in disbelive .
Now more than ever they know we are present in every venue , every blog spreading the world , even on T.V and radio . As their Candidate falls and he will with all his dirty laundry they would understand , they would regret it but at the end no one can blame them for not giving an African American a shot . They would act as if they just got the info and they would turn on him faster than a NY minute . That is how I believe they play their hand , also knowing that if Obama gets creamed they have a star with 18 million voters sucks but most politicians are crooks and liers anyway . Count me in on your effords , WE will prevail . Thanks again to each and every one of you that contribute so much .
Debate? When was the last time O debated? I don’t remember, it was that long ago. What do you think he’ll do to get out of the next three? Play sick?
welcome Tigg
Love your name.
god, now they’re talking about 1968 DNC
Which was in chicago
#191 halligan
No, he’ll whine about McCain cheating, the moderator being biased, the media being mean to him, etc.
I wonder how many people have been arrested this week?
#191 halligan
Now that he’s the official nominee.. the games from the RNC will begin. They will unleash. They won’t have to wait for him to do badly in a debate. McCain will start by announcing his VP at a time to steal any probable bounce thunder of Obama’s speech at the closing of the convention. LMAO.
Can’t wait for the Republicans to let loose… and the best part is they don’t have to make anything up in their attack ads this time around… they just have to tell the truth. They must be loving the fact that the Dem party made it so easy for them in a time when it was supposed to be the toughest.
They just covered the assissnation of RFK. I am crying.
Goodbye Onein18million. We’ll miss you. Post above made me cry.
#197 mzebest
I wish I wasn’t tied up in a conference next week. I’d love to peek in at the Republican conference to see how they fare compared to the Democratic conference. I hope Pumas post a lot about it.
Firebelle,
You mean he can’t be original!!!!!???????????? Just the same old, same old stuff.
Like O lost his voice or something like that?
200 Firebelle Puma
I’ll keep an eye on it and post as it progresses.
I’d better be off to bed or I’ll end up telling you all a bedtime story. That would be extremely scarey, worse than the Democratic Convention. Night all.
Once upon a time……zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
good night… I need to force myself away from the computer and really go to bed this time.
#203 mzebest
Thanks.
Are you guys leaving me here by myself? Maybe it’s a sign I should call it a night too.
no, I’m here
are hpeople in another chat?
I think most have called it a night. It’s been an exhausting week.
yes it has been very exhausting.
I’ve been keeping up with everything and the personal attacks in our newspaper today was horrible.
I want to tell everyone a few things, but they may already have been posted.
What we heard today…
1. PUMAS ran into Terry McCauliff earlier in the day and he said “it is not over and to keep fighting.”
2. Then we heard when Hillary met with her delegates at 1:00, she said… “I have released you from your obligation to vote for me, I voted for Obama but you Vote your conscience and who you think will win in November. She did NOT tell them to vote for nobo. Many of the delegates said they had an obligation to vote as the people who sent them had asked them to vote and therefore would vote for her.
3. About the same time we heard she had picked up 10 delegates.
4. Heard the Obama camp was putting HUGE undue pressure on the delegates to vote only for nobo. Also heard there was no chain of custody on the written votes they were suppose to do earlier at the state delegations meetings. Don’t know if this has yet been verified or not.
5. Several of us left to go rally and watched as much of the roll call vote as we could stand. They did EXACTLY what we had heard last week that some states would pass to keep him ahead and then get to New York where Senator Clinton would give up all her delegates. There was NO legitimate vote IF they had already planned this a week or two ago (or longer).
My thoughts are this:
1. The ones who hold the true power of the voting were the PLEDGED delegates.
2. We DON’T know if HIllary really lost because we don’t know the actual number of votes that occurred legitimately.
3. WE need to send out every piece of information available on the voter fraud to every delegate, every superdelegate, every newspaper in the U.S. and foreign press, every Attorney General and Secretary of State in each state and to Condoleeza Rice including the 10 minute teaser on the Audacity of Democracy, ALL the info that Lynette Long has published and whatever else we can get our hands on and put it EVERYWHERE on the blog. These people need to SEE the fraud in action and then be asked where was the fairness in this election and asked “Is THIS what you call democracy?? Make them feel guilty and as ignorant as hell as they CHOSE to be blinded to the truth and did not do their reasearch.
2. Get any and all documented piece of info. on what REALLY happened in Chicago when nobo was a “community organizer” and send it out to all of those same people.
3. Send out a copy of the lawsuit filed against the DNC and Obama re: his citizenship requirements for POTUS.
4. Make all of the delegates responsible for not researching both candidates and taking everything at face value.
5. Maybe put together a single report and include all the stuff so they each have a hard/and/or emailed copy of the FACTS with notations and info. on where the info. came from. I blame the delegates for their laziness.
6. If ANYONE has letters, recordings or anything similar which show the coercion and pressure put on the delegates to vote for Obama, that should be included in the correspondence/packet.
7. Finally, if we can get copies of the state Attorney General’s letters to those delegates in the states which REQUIRE a first vote for their pledged delegate, that should be included, showing what penalties they could face.
I am exhausted and angry and honestly VERY worn out and I can’t do the things, physically, that I suggested above. But if several people, could be responsible for different sections then we could put the whole thing together and get it out in every form possible.
This doesn’t cost us money just help from some very organized and talented people here.
The lack of knowledge and ignorance here is beyond comprehension and THAT is what makes me so angry!
We also include copies of everything to every Republican we can find.
So, these are my thoughts after talking to many people the past few days.
A few more minutes then off to bed.
I also want to thank all of the Pumas in Denver. They worked like you would not believe. It was a highly charged emotional week and they held it together pretty darn good.
Thanks to those who also had the energy at night to blog and send pics. Southjersey sent out alot of pics and they were greatly appreciated. Others probably
did, but don’t know who they were.
For those who supported us on the blogs, thank you. This is my first night where I could actually put two words together and keep my eyes open.
The old saying, don’t get mad, get even. Well, the anger has been vented and now it is time to get even on the sham of democracy.
thanks Halligan
http://www.capitolweekly.net/article.php?_adctlid=v%7Cjq2q43wvsl855o%7Cxd64e0eaa616n1&issueId=xd5ew4d9us50b0&xid=xd643grpku96b7
This article talk about PUMA lol what a looser this so call reporter is
Halligan!
Had to get this off my chest. Apologies for being so dark – maybe I will feel better tomorrow.
Dear Senator Clinton,
I cannot express the deep despair I feel after today’s travesty. Today I witnessed the death of America. Today it was made clear that those of us who supported you don’t count. Our voices were silenced. Fairness in our election process was vanquished.
I am sure that you and President Clinton have valid reasons for the content of your speeches yesterday and today, but these words carried with them the sting of betrayal. I am not privy to the inner workings of the government or to what occurred behind closed doors during this primary season. Either you sold us out (which I choose not believe), or the political machinery is so powerful that resistance is futile. In either case, we are lost. Our rights under the constitution have been unofficially revoked.
Today confirmed that misogyny, corruption, fraud, and intimidation are now the law of our land. The actions at the DNC today established these behaviors as acceptable. And by asking us to support the Democratic nominee, you ask us to accept and condone these behaviors. How is this possible?
Respectfully, I cannot support the 2008 Democratic nominee. This person lies, cheats, intimidates, bribes, dictates, panders, grandstands, inspires hate, inspires racism, practices misogyny, and has shown that he has no care or compassion for this country or its citizenry. Few men are of lower moral character.
Thank you and President Clinton for your service to our country. I yearn for times gone by when honorable qualities were recognized and allowed to flourish. What have we become and where are we going now?
Here is a link about some stuff going on in Tennessee delegation. I know three people cited in this story.
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/aug/28/tenn-dems-bicker-hope-come-together/
By the way, one more thing. I think we need to start sending the fraud, lawsuit info and Rezko/Ayers info to as many voters as possible. Mailing or emailing lists of doctors, lawyers, hospitals, friends, government people, anywhere we can find mailing or even better email lists or if you can get stuff out on Facebook and My
#211 diva2
Thanks for such an informative post.
I’ve been laying low in recent days because I’ve got a big conference coming up next week. It’s my most important week of the year, so I have to be on my game and have everything ready.
Next week we’ll see what direction the Republicans are going. Then, as you suggest, we can feed them everything we’ve got against Obama. They have the time, energy, and money to go after him in ways that we can’t. But we can certainly help them along.
Take some time to recharge, my friend. We all deserve that. Then we’ll come back stronger than ever.
What was already a farce has become a tragedy.
PUMA!
PUMA!
PUMA!
#214 sharpclaws
Outstanding letter. Not dark at all. It’s exactly what is called for.
#216 oOPS, The submit button went off before I was finished. I meant to say let’s make Obama the fraud the new houhold words and conversations!
#219 – Thanks Firebelle. I feel just horrible today. I know I am not alone. I am thankful every day for PUMA PAC.
Sharpclaws
Outstanding letter. You should submit that to as many newspapers as you can. Perhaps the rest of us can send it to our local newspapers. What do you think? The only problem I see is that papers like you to sign your name and it wouldn’t be proper for us to sign ours.
#215 Dem4Hillary
Thank you. That is great. If you hae any time, would you please research for more on the delegate votes/meetings and keep it all together?
I know I was going to go to bed and I’m trying to head that way now. Sharpclaws may I send that letter out to the Obama campaign and the DNC (VIA the email question submission on their websites) or would you prefer that to remain a personal letter from you only to Senator Clinton?
#222 Luckyseven
I don’t mind if others want to use/submit the letter. Go for it and sign your name if you think it will help our cause.
I want our country back! I am not a front-lines kind of person, so if someone can take it and run with it then go for it!
#214 Sharpclaws
GReat letter. Would you mind start saving any letters like yours that you may see and keep it all together. May have uses for it later. Thank you
Consider my letter public domain if it will help our cause.
bahahaha I just sent a text message to the woman who was quoted in our paper today and told her to stop worrying about people who she THINKS are voting for McCain and instead worry about her candidate who was selected by rules suspension.
Sharpclaws- thanks – I will let you know if it gets published!!!! What state are you in? I am in FL.
Thank you sharpclaws. Just sent the 2 emails off! I’ll be sure to post what the 2…. I don’t really know what to call them anymore, respond with. Ok I’m REALLY heading onto bed now PUMAs. I think my friend is going to unplug my computer and pull the battery out if I don’t.
#226 diva2
Thank you. I have a personal copy of my letter. I think someone might already have a repository. I will send it to Maryland PUMA via email so it can be added to other articles people have written. I am sure someone has started archives.
Consider it public domain and use it if you can.
Just asking because I don’t want to sign my name to something if you are living in the same state!!!!
Halligan, still here. Having computer probs getting my posts to you.
You said it right sharpclaws!
Great letter.
I am registered to vote in NV. It is a swing state, so I am hoping that my vote will count this year. Ha.
Good night (or morning) all.
hey notfollowinthepiedpiper
HEY DIVA2~
WHAT A DAY HUH??? I AM SO DISGUSTED!! I KNOW MY TRIP HERE TO DENVER WILL “NOT” BE IN VEIN!! I ALREADY HAVE MY McCAIN BUTTONS AS THAT IS HOW MY VOTE WILL COUNT IN NOVEMBER!!!!
THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING!!! RIGHT MURPHY AND MARYLAND??
comments needed from pumas HERE
ONE COMMENT SAYS THAY DONT NEED US!!! LOL…
THEY NEVER HAD US~ THATS WHAT THEY DONT GET!!!
http://paganpower.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/a-stage-the-size-of-his-ego/#comment-1882
#237 Dem4Hillary
did you need something else?
oh no, I don’t. Just saying hi. I thought you were saying hi. You’re saying bye
#235 Sharpclaws
A puma here and her husband were precinct captains in Henderson and Las Vegas. She had been a Clinton delegate but at a local level and talked about the caucas fraud her and her husband dealt with. Something big is going to happen about all of this. People had said that there was concern that there might be rioting if Obama lost and I said let it happen. There were a gadzillion swat cops out in Denver. Let ‘em riot, let the world tnow what his supporters are like.
back again later this afternoon.
SouthJersey, you are still up??
#238 SouthJerseyPUMA
Thank you for representing us in Denver. All those who were able to go are heros.
Southjersey, when do you leave?
I had a long day. Rallied some and was interiewed by the Chines, the Japanese (well a film crew followed us during our rally and kept hanging with me for some reason), a filmmaker and not sure who else. I told them to get the info out about the foting fraud that occurred in the United States of America.
#241 diva2
Thank you for sharing that. To date, everything that has been exposed about BO has not made any difference. I am waiting for that one item that becomes the string that once pulled unravels the travesty. His candidacy must end in failure.
I will pick myself up again and fight because it is the only choice left.
#245 diva2
Thank you for representing us in Denver too.
Good night, friends. It’s time to call it quits before my neck and shoulders tense up any more than they already have.
good god Bob Schiefer has major white guilt.
“when i went to school, no black person went to a school that I went to. We’ve come from a time when African Americans were marginalized to the first African American obtaining a party nomination for president”
I’ve got to go to bed. it’s just all unbelievable.
I truly realized that the pledged delegates REALLY had no idea about nobo’s history and the fraud throughout the country. I sat with one Hillary delegate for 45 minutes on light rail and she was talking about nobo and he was a community organizer in Chicago and I said well, do you really know what happened in Chicago during that time and tried to tell her about how he let money that was suppose to go improve conditions in slum areas never were improved … and talked about the money that never got to those developments. She said, well what is resource and tried to explain that i had seen it from several sources on here and then I asked her where her resource was re: what nobo claimed he did as a community organizer. She knew NOTHINg about the fraudulent caucases. I told her I would send her info on the fraud.
No one was expecting corruption on this level. By the time it was recognized, its momentum was too great to stop.
I hope that JSND and the Republicans together can defeat the abomination.
Hi Diva2, Did Puma do the mock roll-call? So many have asked. Thanks.
#247 Firebelle
Thank you, I was glad I could do my little part. I miss the days when I had my energy and no chronic bakc pain. I could do so much more, take on so much more, let my stress take off and really accomplish things. I must of gotten two days of good adrenalin and hung iin their pretty well. I have a path I think that could follow and make an impact in a short period of time.
he got coronated thru treason
now
if you want to know what fallows
find out the methods that chavez used
to get in power and the ones he uses to stay in power
this guy is very dangerous
now I do believe that this had been planned way before
at margin of voters free-will
the Obama camps militia are at work
they probably send an army of people to mislead , and manipulate voters fron now until nov
in order for there to be clean process of voting
probably the goverment would have to send the national guard to protect our voting rights
our freedom of everything is at stake
diva
thats why im not the least bit worried about obama winning…
one thing i like about the gop is that they know how to attack and inform…once mccain is finished with obama…obamas will never see the white house.
I would love to have an AA president
but no a thug
that do not represents AA
there are plenty of honarable AA politicians
in either party that fullfill the requirents for POTUS
the DNC now would have the face of sending abroad politicians observers to see if democartics process are acomplished in foreing countries elections
storyteller
im black and i find obama offensive. he has set back race in this country 30 years. and it pisses me off. that church being the first of all! because he is such an empty suit he uses race and its disgusting. has anyone ever heard dr. rice or powell pull race cards? no…..because their resumes speak for itself!
#255 storytellers
Yes. And yes. And yes.
People in this country cannot fathom that such a thing could happen here and I hope that the population wakes up from its stupor in time to stop it. Never in my life have I followed or been involved in politics. It is not something I have a propensity for. But this is serious. Now is the time to act. It is very near too late. We only have a few short weeks of ‘freedom’ left.
I hope that JSND and the Republicans join together and thwart the coup. I hope that America wakes up in time. We MUST convince the general population that our country is at stake. They don’t in general see it yet – if they did Hillary would be the nominee.
sharpclaws….
many democrats dont see it….but increasingly many democrats are waking up….and the independants are like “hell no!”…..dont worry…this is a train wreck waiting to happen….lol
DEMOCRACY IS DEAD !!!!
I REALLY NEED TO RE-THINK WHAT I AM GOING TO DO, AND WHAT I AM WILLING TO DO ….. I DO KNOW I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR OBAMA !!!! (I HOPE I MAKE SENSE)
WOW.. I HAVE BEEN AWAY FOR A FEW DAYS AND COME BACK TO NOTICE SO MANY NEW NAMES !!!! WELCOME
Just a reminder, Hillary is tougher than all of them…she’s got a plan and no one is going to stop her:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM
I have read so many stories from people who came from oppressed countries not to heed the warnings they are so generously giving us.
I am watching as the middle class disappears. This is one of the warning signs of dangerous times to come.
I am here to do my small part to try to make a difference and stop the oppressive trend we are in.
YES STILL HERE!!! WAS READING UP ON BLOGS!! COMMENTS NEEDED ON ALL BLOGS FROM PUMAS!! WE ARE NOT DONE FIGHTING THIS!!
DIVA~ I WILL BE AT HQ IN DENVER FOR ENTIRE DAY~ WANT TO GO TO INVESTCO WITH PUMAS STILL HERE~ YOU??
SouthJerseyPUMA.
Thanks so much for the photos.
I think obimbo is ayers´s 2nd attempt
of an overthrown of what america stands for
(((( Ario )))))
You disappeared for so long a while ago. I was glad to see you back. I am AKA pumaindy – got myself a gmail account so I could do prowls.
I hope that you are right. I had so much hope for today’s roll call. Dashed. Hoping that November is not a repeat.
#263 ozgal.
Are you actually from OZ?
sharp
i have been blogging the last 3 days…but after the roll call…i turned off my tv, radio and computer…i was in overload…lol
Could not sleep. Thought I would stop in before I step out for gym and work. I need the gym more than ever to release any tension I’m holding since the Convention. It’ll help me refocus.
PUMAS, I was so angry yesterday. I put in a lot of time, money and heart into Hillary winning the nomination so I can relate to everyone here.
I have been trying to share my view of the Democratic Party Leaders attempt to bring about a ONE WORLD ORDER for some time. B.O. is the man they picked to make this happen. They will not stop at anything to get this to happen. What we now need to do is EXPOSE EXPOSE EXPOSE and INFORM INFORM INFORM as many people as will listen!
Not all Dems want this. Hillary did not and her very loyal Delegate supporters do not either.
If you think this sounds insane-relisten to some of the speeches given at the Convention.
If you think this is far off-How many of you know about the Masons and their vision for a ONE WORLD ORDER.
I myself do not know enough about them and their secret society to be able to 100% verify this, however, I have spoken with former wives of Masons and they tell me that this is no joke-what they want-what they plan-and who is part of this group in our Governmnet.
I say it’s worth looking into.
i think they just fell in love with obama and found themselves in doubt but was soooo backed in a corner…that the parade had to continue….seriously. his people can spin til they fall off dizzy…but in their hearts they know they are in trouble. this should be a lesson to anyone who falls in love on the first date! if it seems to good to be true…it is to good to be true!
(((((((((( PUMAS )))))))
I DON’T THINK I CAN FIGHT FOR McCAIN, I AM JUST NOT THERE YET !!!!! NOT SURE WHAT MY ROLL WILL BE HERE AS A PUMA…..JUST KNOW I WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT YOU !!!!
well i have no problem fighting for mccain…let him kill the terrorists, deal with iran and get us off so much foreign oil until hillary can run again.
#273 007girl.
I think a few people have said that you can still wage against NOBAMA. Waiting for people to come back from Denver still.
#271 – 1voice
I believe you. I do not think you are an alarmist. I have never been involved in or followed politics until about 4-5 months ago. I recognized the danger immediately around Super Tuesday timeframe.
We have to fight now. I’m with ‘ya.
madlogic, yes I am in Melbourne and have been following the elections since the primaries. I signed up on Pumapac on June 3 or 4. I don’t do much blogging thought. My friends here think I’m a bit mad, but I’m addicted. I love Hillary, she has been the biggest inspiration for me. I have been watching the convention on broadband and my heart goes out to you fabulous “american girls”!
ok folks off to bed….again! see you all later! and dont fret….just sit back with some popcorn and watch the train wreck…its gonna be ugly…mark my words! ciao!
#277 ozgal.
Get out!!! I’m from SE suburbs, you?
People of poverty are being used to help push B.O. into power. The B.O. camp is serious about replacing the votes they know they lost in all of us. Networks covered that he has forced in play already signing up the Homeless, doing what it takes to get sleeping voters awakend ($$$$$).
For every new register, for every fallen Hilllary Supporter, we must work on empowering by educating B.O. supporters into the TRUTH~
Most working Americans have 0 time left in their day to research for themselves-so they take the medias word for everything.
The media wouldn’t lie would it? Yah Right!
So we educate, go door to door (not alone-never-I strongly recommend that if you want to hand out flyers and talk to people that you NEVER go alone, you go with a few people, you’ve left a trail and have MACE!) Some people are not very welcoming.
But for love of our Country and Love for all of the people who deserve the Truth and have been dooped`we know you don’t know better YET~bur we must help them before we all pay a heavy price for ignorance!
Its 2 am here in California.
Well, we tried. PUMA accomplished more than anyone thought we could have.
The time has come to shift gears. I for one will be doing everything in my power to make sure Carpathia goes down in flames come November.
The only issue left is whether or not the corrupt can gain the white house.
Not if I can help it.
I yield not, I fight.
#273 007girl
Fine by me as long as you are NOBO.
You will find alot of people posturing for McCain – especially now that it will be one or the other who becomes POTUS.
But not everyone will vote for him and that is just fine. If you don’t want to go there, then might I recommend that you just skim over McCain-related posts here. There were alot of them tonight since emotions were high after today’s travesty. I am one who will vote for McCain if BO is still on the ticket in November.
From what I have seen no one here expects anyone to vote any particular way, except NOT for BO. I respect whatever decision you make for yourself and would never try to tell you or anyone else what to do with their vote.
I like reading your posts, and I really like your name.
#277 madlogic
What!!!!! Unbelievable… I’m in the Dandenongs! Just goes to show what a small, small world.
Sorry for my typo…. meant to say “role” instead of roll… just got home from work and it is 2:00 am California time!!!!
I will never vote for Obama that is for damn sure !!!
NO WAY, NO HOW, NOT EVER, VOTE FOR OBAMA!!
NOT SURE WHAT THE PUMA PLAN IS… I HAVEN’T READ THE POSTS YET ….. JUST MY THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS !!!! Not sure if i can hold my nose long enough to vote McCain…. not sure of much of anything anymore!!!!
#271
if this guy was a mason
you would not have anything to fear
masons simbolism is all over
our foundinng fathers
it is all over our building of democracy
it is our all over the firsts governments
#283 ozgal.
Get out!!!!!!!!!! I’m 2 suburbs away from you.
I notice your login name when I first joined also, but haven’t seen you since. There are a few people from overseas in this movement as well.
SMALL world!!!!!!!!
#281 snowtiger
Right on. I’m with ‘ya.
I had a slight melt down earlier – trying to recover and get back up to fight. Today was a blow. Disappointing but not unexpected. I thought we had a chance. No dice today.
It’s been amazing…. I think I am going to follow three very big examples for my life at this time. 24 hours after Hillary’s last speech, former president bill clinton was at the UN delivering a speech and asking for support for aids patients in Africa.
Friday, it has been reported that Chelsea clinton (one of my heros) will return to her job
I believe that Hillary is more focused than ever on achieving her platform for the country.
so, this is the last night that I stay up all night. It’s time for me to follow the Clinton’s lead of returning to my work…
I will be in probably every day. But I must go to bed now because I’m going to work tomorrow. I’m going to work on my thesis and work on stuff for my undergraduates. I’m going to carry the banner of hard work to achieve my goals because at this point that is all I have.
Thank you so much to the PUMAs in Denver. I truly wish I could have gone rather than having to have started school. You made it possible for Hillary to be officially recognized by the convention.
Thanks SHARPCLAWS (like the name:)
007-Yesterday a close friend of mine made the same statement and said that they could not vote B.O but would throw their vote to INDEPENDENT.
Every Single Vote that is cast in protest to an indie, will be a vote for B.O. In order for Hillary to have a chance in 2012, McCain MUST WIN! Even beyond Hillary, in order for Americans to remain SAFE for at least the next 4 years-we have to get McCain in office.
This older woman said it best when she said that she could live with 4 years of the same-we know what to expect and can throw him out in 4 years to elect a better Democratic Candidate! I agree. But 4 years of B.O. and no experience, no TRUST and already Lie upon Lie upon Lie-terrorist connections, fraud, and so many accusations, I don’t think that our Future and the future of Children is worth the risk.
I hope you dig deep into your consience when you are at the polls.
#287 sharpclaws
Accomplished a whole lot. Sacred the daylights out of the “high and mighty”.Now the time has come to stand against the tyrants.
It was along shot to begin with. Getting Hillary her rightful place.
We almost did it.
They are battered and bruised. At this point, it all will come down to who has the strongest will.
One guess.
THANK YOU MAD~ I HAVE MORE PICTURES TO COME~ WILL HAVE TO WAIT TILL I GET HOME~ IF NOT TOMORROW~
WATCH THIS AND REMEMBER WHY WE ARE PUMAS!
AND DONT STOP WATCHING IT WHEN YOU SEE THE BEGINNING!!! THE END IS WORTH THE WAIT!! YOU’LL SEE!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM
WASSUP SNOW? HOW YA DOIN?
#286 madlogic
We’re almost neighbours. Puma’s Rock. I have been amazed and astounded by the energy and focus of the people in this group. I actually wanted to get on a plane to Denver, just to be there….aaaaah, wishes and dreams….on no, that sounds like BO
I do not think that B.O. is a Mason. Nope! What I do believe is that the Masons who
ONE MORE THING BEFORE I GO TO BED….. I REALLY CANNOT STAND MO …. SHE REALLY HATES THE CLINTON’S !!!! I AM WATCHING THE REPEAT OF BILL’S SPEECH AND THE LOOK ON MICHELLE’S FACE IS PRICELESS !!! OK I WILL NOT RANT I CAN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE TO RANT …… DID I MENTION I DO NOT LIKE HER , AND SHE WILL NEVER BE HRC OR JACKIE O !!!
Yo south, How ya doin’
I so envy you being i Denver,
#135 marcleka – great post. The rest of us should not forget how much of an impact that the action of the pumas and the rest of the JSND coalition has had.
I also agree with the very insightful posts of mzebest at #125, #128, and #154. Bill Clinton clearly was sending out a warning to true progessives re: the danger of having one party control both the executive and legislative branches when the executive is a questionable figure like BO (to put it mildly). He also did the following: (1) laid well as a roadmap for McCain re: the kind of VP he needs to avoid in order to gain the votes of disaffected & disenfranchised former Democrats; (2) prevented some of the inevitable blame that will be put upon the Clintons in November when BO fails to win enough of his own votes to secure the presidency; (3) showed the world he’s still the most charismatic Man in the Democratic party – with a lot more class than BO, and vis a vis, showed what a junvenile, egotistical mistake it was for BO to alienate and belittle the Clintons and their supporters; (4) positioned Hillary very well for 2012, and bolstered his own legacy. I thought it was masterful (and I expected no less from him. But I don’t think it topped Hillary’s speech from the night before, as I think hers did the same things and more.)
One more comment about BC’s speech: It was apparent he’s still confident that BO will lose in November when he said BO “hit it out of the park” with his VP pick. He wouldn’t have chosen such strong words had he really wanted Hillary (or even someone he respects like Bayh) to have been BO’s VP. He doesn’t want BO to bring a good person down with him when he loses.
So unlike sharpclaws #214, I don’t feel betrayed at all, quite the contrary.
By the way, was anyone else struck by the very lukewarm thanks BO gave him at the end of the night? BO didn’t even have it in him to fake true appreciation for what on the surface appeared to be, and to some extent, actually was a very gracious gesture by BC.
There are many forces at play now.
I go back and forth pondering whether or not Hillary will ever be allowed to run for POTUS again. Mostly this question goes unanswered for people like me because I am not privy to the inner workings of the political machinery.
Hillary was not supported this year. As she is a person of high character and is perfectly qualified for the job the answer as to why this happened eludes me. For this reason, I have no basis to support any conclusion that she will be able to run again in 2012. I sincerely hope that she can.
#293 ozgal.
Nice to meet you. I usually login a little bit later to coincide with US morning times. Well, next step is to defeat BO, so more work ahead
#291 SouthJerseyPUMA
Thank-you!
#288 Dem4Hillary
THANK YOU!!! THEY DONT REALIZE THERE ARE SO MANY MORE PUMAS THAN THOSE WHO WERE ABLE TO MAKE IT HERE!!
I REPRESENT 1000′S OF PUMAS ACROSS THE USA~ AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER PUMAS THAT CAME HERE!!!
SOMEONE WROTE ON THE VIDEO COMMENTS I POSTED ABOVE THAT PUMAS SET WOMEN BACK IN YEARS, YADA YADA~
NO IT IS WOMEN LIKE HER WHO ALLOW, CONDONE AND ACCEPT THIS TREATMENT OF WOMEN~
I FEEL SORRY FOR HER!!!!!!
#289 onvoive,
I might also add that the repubs are in a unique position right now, They have an opportunity to re-create Reagans “big tent”.
We might be able to get more than lip service from them.
With 12.5% of all democrats going for McCain already and a whole lot of independents, we might see a Republican party shifted towards the center.
THANK YOU FELLOW PUMA’S FOR YOUR SUPPORT, I AM JUST REALLY SADDENED WHAT HAS HAPPENED, AND I REALLY NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ACTION I WANT TO TAKE THIS DAY FORWARD…. I COULD FIGHT OR NOT !!!
NOT REALLY SURE ANYMORE!!!!
NO OBAMA EVER !!!!
298 madlogic
I log in at random times, generally read all the posts…At least on oz time we generally get to read the USA MSM first. Be seeing you round on the blogs.. By the way did you get to see Foreign correspondent on ‘Wed night. A program on Bo and corruption. There is no video link, will have to wait till its archived. I thought it might be good for PUMA’s. I will post it if I can.. Anyhow… nice to meet you too! cheers
Hello great PUMA people everywhere. Speaking for myself — I am with you — and will continue — every day.
I will not vote for Mr. Obama. He is a “professional politician” — whose only goal is to run for an office. He has no idea what he is doing. He is all “scripted” — “programmed” by others behind the scenes — who control all the money.
Hillary Clinton knows what she was doing, and largely because of skullduggery in Florida and Michigan — and Mr. Obama bringing up the race card starting in South Carolina — and again just recently himself when he said he didn’t look like the other Presidents on the dollar bills — many many votes went his way — and not to Hillary Clinton.
I am an active volunteer political writer, and will continue my work, and active involvement with this fine organization of PUMA folks. I am with you 100%.
I will start writing soon pushing Hillary Clinton for 2012; meanwhile for now — 2008 — I will work hard for a Democratic Congress including the Senate, and for President — I may see if I can “fix” up John McCain, bring him into the center of the road — on the economy — jobs — health care.
But I will not vote for nor write for Mr. Obama.
More later.
Common Sense 12 or Common Sense Bruce
#299 SouthJerseyPUMA
I also do not understand those women. They have always been around though.
Wouldn’t it be nice if for once all women could work together in unison? I have some theories about why this doesn’t work well, but don’t want to start that kind of discussion here – it is not relevant to PUMA. I also think that it is unfortunate. But I guess in the end that’s what we are fighting for – our freedom to be who we want to be and the right to express that without condemnation. Sigh.
007girl you are right, MO is horrible. I called her a henious b-tch from hel- on my facebook page. She looked positively ill watching HRC last night and looked like she could barely stand to be in the arena tonight with Big Dog speaking.
She is certainly no Jackie O and my mother calls her a ghetto momma. We certainly don’t need a ghetto momma as first lady. NOBAMA AND NO BABY MAMMA.
#302 ozgal.
No I didn’t see it. Murphy said that Aussie network scheduled to interview them at Denver, not sure if it happened. Will know more when they update. Cheers.
007girl – if all you do is NOT vote for BO in November, then you will have made a stand and you will have fought back. No action is ever too little.
304~ WOULDNT IT BE THE START OF SOMETHING BIG~ NO BIGGER!!!
ALRIGHT I’m really going to sleep for a little while and then get back to work. Because that’s what democrats do. Democrats get to work. So I’m following the Clinton’s lead, all of their leads, and I will get back to work tomorrow. I’m finishing my thesis within 2 months and will be listing Hillary in my acknowledgements.
Kristen Powers at Ny Post sets the record straight
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/a-bit-of-history/
#305 Dem 4 Hillary…..lol
I was going to try to keep it mild in here, but you rock!!!
MO makes me sick !!!
NO OBAMA DRAMA BABY MAMMA !!!
I am just going to vote for MM
BECAUSE OUR COUNTRY IS IN DANGER
it is ny believe and understanding
that if i vote any otherwise
it will favor obimbo
….have a great deal of power in the U.S. want more control. They push this pansy, B.O. who by the way, to them is the perfect pick because they know he has his owm agenda and they make a deal.
The deal is-we push you into power-sure at first the American people will think..what? He has no experience, who is he, what did he do before this, where is he from? But that’s no problem, we’ll pay the appropriate people, media will shove you down their throats. We know most Americans have little time on their hands to find anything and even if they do, by the time we have used the sensitive issue of race, had the media in our pockets and paid off well known Party Leaders to endorse you and sway from Hillary, it will cause enough doubt in Americans that they will want to follow you, the underdog, the Minority, the GREAT CHANGE! Oh and money-don’t worry, we gotcha covered. We will make appear as if so many passionate hard-working people donated and broke new ground via INTERNET! Truth is, we have many deep pockets and so many ways to get around identifying where the $ really came from that by the time people figured it out if they could, it would all just be another conspiracy!
Hey, after all, in our very own judicial system, if there is doubt placed in the minds of the jurors, then they usually find you not guilty-Right? And, these Dems were all once Lawyers weren’t they? They’re Good at selling the idea of “if it doesn’t fit aquit.”
For me-as many before me have done-this is my time to change the course of History. This is OUR time to do that together and continue to leave the great legacy to future generations that Americans will fight for what they believe in~that is how we got this far~that is why you are still here
#308 – yeah, very big.
PUMAS~ IT IS YOUR VOTE~ AS HILLARY SAID, VOTE WITH YOUR CONSCIOUS~
IT IT FEELS RIGHT DO IT!
WE SHARE ONE THING IN COMMON HERE, PUMA PAC, AND THAT IS: WE AGREE THAT WE ARE NOT VOTING BO~
BUT NO ONE CAN TELL YOU WHAT TO DO WITH YOUR VOTE~ YOU OWN IT! USE IT AS YOU SEE FIT!
JUST REMEMBER~ IF YOU PLAN TO WRITE IN HILLARY’S NAME, CHECK TO SEE YOUR STATE STATUES/LAWS ON THIS~ BECAUSE IT MAY COUNT FOR BO~ SO BE CAREFUL ON THAT ONE!!!!
(((((((((( PUMAS ))))))))
I will always support all you do !!!! I will always consider myself a PUMA …. Just not sure what this great movement will do from here !!!! I will never vote for BOJO !!!!
312~ MM??????
306 Madlogic
This is a piece of OBAMA research. It’s called America Dreaming and it is a critique. It aired in April 08. You can see extended interviews by Steele and others. It is definitely interesting. It talks about what America does and its impact on the World at large. Puma is no small movement…. Anyhow, it might help PUMA at some stage. I’m not clever enough to cut and pastd videos at this stage. If I could I’d put bits of it on utube.
cheers
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2008/s2226826.htm
007~ EXPOSE!!!
THIS IS WHATTHE movement will do from here !!!
nighty night pumas. I think i’m starting to hallucinate from lack of sleep.
BTW was carville wearing PUMAS? I got to hug him earlier this year when I met him at our county party dinner.
#316 007girl.
Just hang on for a day or so when others get back, and we’ll get clearer directions. You can ofcourse hand out fliers and info against BO of your own, that is not affiliated with any movement.
THANKS OZ~ WILL CHECK IT OUT!
#318 ozgal.
Thanks!
#320 Dem4Hillary.
Night
EXPOSE EXPOSE EXPOSE EXPOSE
Phillip Berg stated yesterday that his motion was denied but that it is a temporary denial. Obamacrimes.com is where you may find some current info on the action filed against the fake B.O.
O.K. I’ve made my decision. I’ve read through some of the above Posts — I will get to work “fixing up” John McCain. I believe we can convince him and his campaign team, that he has a real chance at winning on 11/4 — if he will give us some realistic strategy of fixing the economy — letting the Bush tax cuts expire — lead us into universal health care coverage — and yes — bring Common Sense back into our government.
The following is one paragraph out of my post #303 above.
“I will start writing soon pushing Hillary Clinton for 2012; meanwhile for now — 2008 — I will work hard for a Democratic Congress including the Senate, and for President — I may see if I can “fix” up John McCain, bring him into the center of the road — on the economy — jobs — health care.
But I will not vote for nor write for Mr. Obama”.
More later.
Common Sense 12 or Common Sense Bruce
what happen to berg lawsuit?
what happen to jbjd?
where is anonymous?
Good morning PUMAS. Today is another day. History is being recorded. PUMAS are not done yet! We have two months to get the word out….
Nobama/Nobiden/November
Did anyone see this news story and video on an ABC reporter being arrested? If not, watch it.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Conventions/story?id=5668622&page=1
EYES ARE HEAVEY!!! I WALKED BLOCK AFTER BLOCK AGAIN TODAY!!
AND TOMORROW THE REMAINING PUMAS WILL BE ON THE PROWL AGAIN~
*MURPHY~ I’M JEALOUS! YOU ARE IN YOUR OWN BED!!! SURE BEATS THIS POLL LOUNGE FLOAT I’VE BEEN ON!!
GOODNITE PUMAS~ I WILL TRY TO GET THOSE PICS UP LIKE I SAID!!
http://WWW.PHOTOBUCKET.COM/PUMAPAC
if someone wants to leave, just leave. It is unnecessary to deliver a cathartic homily, wherein you play on peoples emotions and attempt to win their hearts for MO/Bo. That is something i would expect from a troll.
OUR GOAL IS TO SEE BO DEFEATED!!!
isn’t it?
OH GAUD!! I MEANT POOL LOUNGE FLOAT!!!!
GOT POLL’S ON THE BRAIN!!! LMAO!!
South Jersey PUMA. You are a wonderful person. God bless you please.
Thank you.
Common Sense 12
I can hardly wait for the debates between McCain and whatshisname….no teleprompter….won’t be able to answer questions….all Americans can’t be this gullable can they?
Thanks all ,
NOTE TO THE CLINTON’S : TAKE A LONG VACATION LIKE UNTIL AFTER NOVEMBER… YOU HAVE DONE ENOUGH ALREADY FOR THIS CORRUPTED ELECTION , AND FOR THE UNQUALIFIED CANDIDATE…. DO NOT LOOK BACK, AND DO NOT ANSWER YOUR PHONE FROM THE OBAMA’S !!! OH, AND IT IS NOT YOUR JOB TO UNITE THIS PARTY, IT IS OBAMA’S JOB!!!!
ok, I have to go to bed….this ex democrat has to work 10 hrs tomorrow !!!
I think we just take 1 day vacation
and meditate
if this guy does not fullfill POTUS
i think we should get after every state
to have a security clearence
Time for some fun:
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/barackopolis-w-did-it-too/
#330 NP4hilaree.
ARE YOU REFERRING TO ANY OF MY POSTS??? I AM NOT A TROLL AND I AM NOT PLAYING ON ANYONE’S EMOTIONS !!! NOR HAVE I SAID I WAS GOING TO LEAVE… NOT SURE OF ANYTHING, I AM JUST FULL OF THOUGHTS/ EMOTIONS !!!!
SO J PUMA
THANK YOU FOR THE PICTURE
if you are in denver
get a good rest
and disconect yourself
charge yourself with good energy
now
I think , we have much more work to do, than before
MR TELELEPROMPTER AND HIS THUGS HAVE THE OBAMA CAMP MILITIA OUT
AND BOY THEY ARE DANGEROUS
THEY ARE LIKE BRAINWASHED ROBOTS
#319 ozgal – Thanks for the link. I’m disgusted every time I hear BO compared to a great American like Martin Luther King Jr. – a man who truly had vision and the courage of his convictions to lead his supporters into harms way in order to make progress. Unlike BO who copies and distorts the words of true heroes and stages speeches in historic locales for his own selfish political gain. What has BO contributed to the civil rights movement? His existence on earth as the chosen one? Actually, by continually choosing to portray himself as “black” rather than as multiracial isn’t he taking us back to the shameful “one drop of blood” days of the past? And what about his disrespect of women of all races?
Interesting article about Joe Biden where his ties to Pro-Iran groups are questioned.
http://www.israelunitycoalition.org/news/article.php?id=3091
Good Morning PUMA’s.
I feel better this morning and am ready for action.
First: I will make a donation to the McCain camp today in honor of Hillary.
Second: I am going to stay positive and remind myself of why I am doing this.
Third: I am ready for whatever action needs to be done. Just send out the word and I will help in any way I can.
It is time to defeat the Chosen One!
This is my first post here.
I saw HC’s speech just like you did, and it got me to thinking.
It finally dawned on me what had happened. It wasn’t that BO had outmaneuvered HC. He had stolen the election from her, with the help of the DNC.
HC was the VASTLY more experienced candidate, and all things being equal (and in the 48 states that were counted, their delegate count was virtually equal) HC should have been the nominee. Especially considering that Hilary won all the major swing states.
This IS sexism.
For the first time, I am pretty sure I am not going to vote for the Democratic Candidate in November. I am going to stay home.
I understand why Hillary must show support for BO. She is still a presumptive nominee in 2012.
However, I will not vote for him. He did not earn my vote, in fact, he probably sabotaged the best chance to take back the White House from the Republicans.
If JM wins, I won’t be too upset. He is definitely more liberal than Bush.
I agree with the assessment that to vote for BO at this point would be basically sanctioning the anti-Democratic and sexist travesty that happened.
Well I’m off to work, battle armor is on and I’m ready for action. We need a new flyer, one that really gets peoples attention. No way no how no obama!!
when I get home I will order a Mccain yard sign and bumper sticker to put by my hillary one, boy do I feel better today, a new begining!
Here’s the best quote I’ve read all day:
“DNC robbed my vote – publicly. On TV. To music.”
Thank you Not Your Sweetie at http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/dnc-robbed-my-vote/
The music at the convention really has been offensive hasn’t it? Not the quality of music or artists selected, but the timing/selections that have been played – like the loud chorus playing when Bill Clinton was beginning his speech “Don’t stop thinking about tomorrow, yesterday’s gone. . ..” What a slap in the face from the Obamoron haters who carefully timed that selection! They just don’t realize how many of us miss the peace and greater prosperity of “yesterday” under the Clintons.
Did anyone see the NY Times that BO’s “high command” has been censoring speeches big time at the convention? God forbid Democrats should talk about real issues. Disgusting!!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/us/politics/28speech.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin
NO DRAMA PLEASE~
SOME THINGS ARE BETTER LEFT UNSAID!!
THIS GROUP IS TOO IMPORTANT AND HAS MUCH WORK TO DO AND WE HAVE ALL EYES UPON US~
SO PUT THE CLAWS IN AND CONTINUE TO DO WHAT IS NEEDED~ WE HAVE MANY STRONG PERSONALITIES AND OPINIONS~ BUT WE DO NOT ATTACK EACH OTHER!! USE THAT ENERGY FOR DOING SOMETHING POSITIVE!!
MY 2 CENTS AGAIN~
Presidential image: A full-scale replica of Air Force One fuselage arrives at Invesco Field before Mr Obama speaks
Change: The miniature Greek temple created for Barack Obama’s acceptance speech.
Pictures here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1050017/Pictured-The-miniature-Greek-temple-Barack-Obama-launch-final-push-U-S-presidency.html
Good Morning Pumas!
Thank you to all the Pumas that went to Denver.
I am ready to carry on our fight.
I am now behind McCain. I am feeling betrayed by the Clinton’s. They know that Obama will make a bad and dangerous president yet the endorsed them. The Clinton’s just threw their supporters under the bus and I am out of the democratic party for good. I really thought that Clinton would do what was right for the people before she did what was right for the party.
I am disgusted.
NYT needs to lie down the number of delegates Hillary got
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/firsts-and-lies/
Good Morning PUMAS,
I am sad, sick, frustrated, fed up and down right mad about this.
I will not have my voice silenced. I want to make a bigger and louder statement. This election will not be bought or given to anyone.
If anyone lives in Ohio and is worried about the new law, then maybe we can flood the AG in Ohio with letters, faxes and facts about voter fraud.
What is our next step?
I want to keep fighting this election all way up to Nov.
Great work and a big thank you to all that went to Denver.
Such a terrible day for us all yesterday..but PUMAs did make a big impact in Denver–”they” know we are around and probably wonder what we will do next. Now I have something to say and hope you all won’t be mad:
A massive fraud was committed on the voters in the Democrat Party by our own party leadership..this for the world to see…I was very saddened and angered that TWO FORMER PRESIDENTS were watching and stood silenty and actually participated by NOT standing up immediately and saying STOP! We have men and women in Iraq & Afganistan fighting for democracy,laying down their lives in order to promote freedom from tyranny, freedom of speech, Voter rights so peoples can govern themselves…DEAR GOD why were President Clinton and President Carter allowing this fraud on our rights to go forth. Who will they call to come monitor our elections ? The hypocrisy is astounding. Two former President standing silent is almost treasonous. I think there is no excuse and feel they have both dishonored the Constitution and our way of life. President Clinton singing the praises of the “chicago thug” as he called him will never be forgotten. Hillary Clinton should have stood firm also, my respect for her is gone. The only possible reason I will accept is if their daughter was threatened and I wouldn’t put it past the BO crowd. The Clintons should have done something, especially Bill.
Go here and vote it’s the quick vote middle of page,on right side.
http://www.cnn.com/
Good Morning PUMAs
Big Love to all of you!
long time no blog
i feel terrible
Gooo McCain!
NO WAY, NO HOW, NOBAMA, NOBIDEN in NOVEMBER!
i like this new slogan
The Clintons did what they had to do. They do not want to get blamed when BO loses.
Just woke up to news on how Bill gave glowing statements about BO – blah, blah, blah…..Nice…..
I have not been this hurt and angry for a long time. Good thing I am going on vacatin this weekend. I am taking a breather from this Democary!
I WILL be writing to Both Hillary & Bill and re-iterate my point – I WILL NOT VOTE BO NO MATTER WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!! NO EVEN IF THE BIG DAWG HIMSELF COMES OVER TO MY HOUSE AND BEGS ME ON HANDS AND KNEES. I STAND FOR AMERICA, FOR DEMOCRACY AND I AM PROUD TO BE A PUMA DEMOCRAT!
I am sorry if they would be blamed. But the bigger issue is doing the right thing..they stood up and helped foist the ‘chicago thug’ as Bill Clinton called him on the American public. They know all about this guys connections with terrorists, anti-white,anti American clergy…sorry, I could go on and on –I guess I am too much of an idealist..
McCaindem You are so right there was massive fraud of the process. This primary was a bad joke. And these Democrats say they want to “improve the impression of the United States around the world”. So do they plan to do that by making a mockery of democracy? I am certain there was some sort of threat or more likely many threats. And don’t forget the media has been completely discredited. Clearly someone powerful is behind this, that is who pulls BOs puppet strings and since the media is corporate America these days I am assuming BO is the choice of corporate America.
I still don’t know what happened yesterday. Was there any booing or did they sit on people? Did they search them for Hillary signs? Did anyone walk out? Are they sticking around for the rock concert/coronation?
As well as being done with the Dems (I will be voting almost a straight Republican ticket this year) I am done with the DNCs women’s auxiliary aka National Organization for Women. I think it was clear the Dems were scrambling to come up with a set of girls rules to keep Hillary down and NOW just sat there sipping koolaid. I am sure they will be out perpetuating the Roe v Wade manipulative lie and begging for money rather than realizing neither party can be trusted and they need to lead the call for state by state reproductive rights. I am off to read some international news on line.
I really do hope Murphy and Mama and the others in the Denver PUMA group take a few days to decompress and allow inspiration to flow into their naturally inventive minds. We will still be here.
new AOL poll:
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/08/26/aol-straw-poll-aug-25-sept-1/
Good Morning Pumas. We tried, Hillary may have lost,but we didn’t, we will continue on. Big time letters are due expecially to those in Hillary’s own states, especially AR where she had her biggest win, abandoned her and cast all their delegates for the Fuhrer. No wonder they were afraid after the murder of the AR Chair.
Can’t be on here today. My son is coming to town and Ineed to clean and ready everything. I’ll check back in the event we have a prowl. I have some I would love to do on my own but have other things to do today.
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“rtr4hill on 08.27.08 at 11:18 pm
Does anyone know which site is the best one to email Hillary on. Her presidential site or senators site or what. I feel the need to share a few things with her”
jeramy@hillaryclinton.com
Dear all great PUMA folks,
FYI. Here is something I posted yesterday in WashingtonPost.com, on the bottom article started by Charles Krauthammer.
Thank you.
CommonSense 12 or Common Sense Bruce
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“Give us more Krauthammer!!
I remember ALL of Mr. Krauthammer’s articles on Obama from the very first one — and Mr. Krauthammer has been “right on”.
They have all been brilliant. In fact I have quoted from them (with proper reference of course) as a volunteer political writer myself … as I have tried to warn all America.
Now we’re looking at a lot of “show”, “hot air”, and non-stop pontification.
We don’t know who will be saying “I DO” on January 20th 2009. This will be a “tight” race.
It could be a “reformatted” John McCain.
In fact if we can re-format John McCain to look honestly at the economy here, bring him into the center of the road, I may vote for him. And I certainly never thought I could say that.
But Mr. Obama has no idea what he’s doing — other than trying to win an election.
No thank you”.
Posted by: CommonSense 12 | August 27, 2008 6:11 PM
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The Krauthammer piece…..
Posted at 11:22 AM ET, 08/27/2008
Has He Lost His Mind?
“Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama’s big speech on Thursday night will be delivered from an elaborate columned stage resembling a miniature Greek temple.
The stage, similar to structures used for rock concerts, has been set up at the 50-yard-line, the midpoint of Invesco Field, the stadium where the Denver Broncos’ National Football League team plays.
Some 80,000 supporters will see Obama appear from between plywood columns painted off-white, reminiscent of Washington’s Capitol building or even the White House, to accept the party’s nomination for president.
He will stride out to a raised platform to a podium that can be raised from beneath the floor.”
– Reuters, Aug. 26, 2008
Jacques-Louis David, Napoleon Crowning Himself Emperor Before the Pope, 1805. (Louvre)
The Berlin folly — in English.
The Superbowl Halftime Show — without the game.
What’s the finish? Maybe Obama’s got Zhang Yimou to do the hidden-rope trick, and have him lifted, Beijing-style, to the heavens when he’s done. Will he reappear three days later at the Bird’s Nest?
Or maybe he’ll just do a Napoleon and coronate himself. By the time Napoleon made himself emperor, he had won the Battles of Lodi, of Arcole, of Rivoli, of the Pyramids and of Marengo. And had promugulated the Napoleonic Code. He had yet to write a single autobiography.
Charles Krauthammer
I went to bed sad and after reading some posts feel sad again for all the hard working devoted Pumas. It is hard to get the energy sometimes to keep “running” but with a heavy heart we must keep going forward. We are all exhausted mentally, physicall and emotionally from working for Hillary on the primary to doing the wonderful puma actions to travelling to Denver.
The only thing I can think of sharing with you all is…
“From the ashes of disaster grow the roses of success.”
From the Magical World o Chitty Chitty Bang Bang Act
That was Act 2
I think Hillary knew what was going on behind closed doors and knew she would not get the nomination. I think she held her delegates to the last second to make them sweat a little. I think she began gearing up for 2012 when she suspended in June. If you recall she shifted alot of her primary money to her 2012 Senate campaign.
Politics is a tough business.
if you go to Bill Clinton’s website it automacially goes to McCain’s website.
http://www.williamclinton.com
No Obama, No Way, Not Ever
Pawlenty’s 2 questions to ask BO:
What have you done? and
What have you run?
Ans: Nothing
Question ?? When BO and JB lose in November, do they get to go back to the Senate?
GREAT MSM ARTICLE ON PUMAS AND DARRAGH
Is listed today with Real Clear Politics
“Hillary can’t fix what Dems Broke”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/hillary_cant_fix_what_her_part.html
From Ricki Lieberman:
ARKANSAS: According to Rebecca Gwatney, widow of recently slain Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman Bill Gwatney, the last line of the state’s roll call speech was cut off by Alice Germond , the DNC Secretary. Instead of casting all 47 votes for Barack Obama, they cast 37, with 8 votes for Hillary Clinton. (Two of the state’s 47 delegates were absent.) When the chair announced all 47 votes for Obama, many delegates from other states rose to cheer the state for their unanimous statement, which now appears to have been a clerical mistake.
“It’s no big deal,” one Arkansas delegate told the Huffington Post.
Still, how did Arkansas go from 70% vote for Hillary in the primary to 37-8 votes on the Convention floor?
STAY TUNED…
MSM Article
Very perceptive on analysis of Obama’s mistakes
http://tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=9c1e0570-cafd-4829-8d85-3cb0b477a4df
2 paragraphs –
After securing the nomination in June, Obama’s first priority had to be healing the rift between himself and Hillary Clinton. Candidates who can’t put nomination battles behind them well before the convention usually lose. Think of Goldwater in 1964, Gerald Ford in 1976, Jimmy Carter in 1980, and Walter Mondale in 1984. There are only two candidates I can remember who succeeded in overcoming intraparty rifts during the convention–John Kennedy in 1960 and Ronald Reagan in 1980–and they did it by nominating their primary opponents to be vice president.
Obama, who evidently did not see a nail-biting election looming, chose not to do that, and is reaping the consequences. I didn’t think so last spring, but I realize now that Obama would have been better off had he chosen Hillary Clinton. Of course, he might have faced a nightmare in January 2009 with Bill and Hillary in the White House, but at least he would have been more assured of making it there. As it is, he may not be able to count on Clinton’s fundraisers in the fall, he may not be able to count on all of her voters, and states that might have been in play with the two Clintons in tow–Florida, Arkansas, and Missouri–probably won’t be.
LOVE the article Elaine!
I just made my contribution to McCain for $25.44 and put down “In horor of Hillary-Go John!”
#364 stoney42
Yes ,,,unless he goes to jail …Ayers..etc
Hillary won Indiana by 51% but they only gave her 7 or 8 votes.
Yet the letter I got from the Indiana democratic state chair said:
Carrie,
Thank you for your e-mail. Unlike in other states, there as been no coordinated effort to get pledged Clinton delegates to switch their vote. Last week, Senator Obama and Senator Clinton made an announcement that will allow the historic participation in the primary season to be shown at the Denver convention. The achievements of both candidates and the number of people who supported both candidates will be on full display in Denver. I fully expect that pledged Clinton delegates from Indiana will vote for Senator Clinton, but will also, like Senator Clinton herself, support Senator Obama to be the next President of the United States.
Daniel J. Parker
State Chair
Indiana Democratic Party
One North Capitol Ave., Suite 200
Indianapolis, Indiana 46204
office: 317-231-7115
fax: 317-231-7129
Nice way to cast a binding vote…
#366 ladyhawkke
How far will they go ? I’m amazed…. they are committing suicide
370 Caracal Carrie
did you get my picture ?
If you haven’t done this yet please do
Go here and vote it’s the quick vote, it’s located in the middle of page,on right side.
http://www.cnn.com/
I must say, its very condescending that the DNC feels they can transfer the HC support to Obama on their say so alone.
They don’t think very much of us, do they?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua3YzTLGDW4
Good morning Pumas i’m off today toget my McCain signs and bumper stickers. Be back later.
(((((((((PUMA HUG)))))))))
I got it Prowl thank you!! I haven’t been working on a video right now but I am sure that I will!
Good mourning PUMAS!
Wow I turned to TCM just in time last night. Ha ha.
switched to see the end of “The sweet smell of successes” with Burt Lancaster. Goooood movie!
Biden was boring as hell.. I saw latter that Obama came out and we got a good look at team looser.
I understand that AT&T spent millions on the democratic convention. This is a travesty. Especially note that the candidate of change voted for FISA which provides immunity to AT&T.
I wonder how the stockholders feel about this advertising expense. Could these millions be used in a better way than promote the celebrity of a candidate without substance. He is already in the pocket of big business. I wonder what will happen to all those individuals who donated small amounts. (Look under the bus.) They didn’t even get a welcome bag. I can just see other big interest groups gravitating to him as he now carries a “For Sale” sign. One more of a long list of reasons he does not get my vote. I won’t be watching the reenactment of the third reich tonight.
GM Folks
I watched AFV after Bills speech….took two Advil ….and went to bed.
Are we ready to RUUUMMBLE!
living grace#24
Well said. I am with you-I am tired and need some reconcillation–just like Bill and Hillary-I am putting my country first. we fought a good fight–now let’s not destroy this county with the election of John McCain.It’s time for us to do the right thing. I think we now know that BO is not evel–we can blame pelosi and reid for what they did to Hillary–but I don’t think I can continue to harbour this anger towards BO. He won. It’s over. We need to move on.
I can vote for McCain – I think he loves this country.
BO loves BO.
Please keep up the good fight!
http://princessejen.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/im-sorry-did-you-think-we-were-going-somewhere/
When the democratic process is cast aside in a presidential nominating process, we have to ask ourselves what exactly are we supporting…
#362 Susan for Hillary That is strange that Clinton’s website goes to McCains. What I think happened is when Hillary’s brother met with Carly Fiorina and McCain, they agreed to this because it would not be allowed to use Pres. Clinton’s name for McCain’s gain. The Clintons knew they were not going to win.
#379 c4hill
Yes we have fought AND we will CONTINUE TO FIGHT.
I will not fold to the DEM Party after they have insulted us, thrown us under the bus and forced us to vote for someone who IS a liar and a cheat and is NOT QUALIFIED – with 146 days served as a JR Senator to become President.
I WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN – PERIOD, THOSE WHO BELIEVE THEY SHOULD SUPPORT BO, MAYBE YOU SHOULD CONSIDER FINDING ANOTHER SITE.
#379 c4hill Yes, move on! We should also open all the prisons and let everyone out that did election fraud, lied under oath…lies period!
This is not about who won but how they won and I along with millions of Americans will start to do whatever we have to to make sure America stays free!
Sharpclaws:
You have outlined a TALL order of what we will need to do ASAP. You are not alone. The significance of what transpired throughout the primaries and finally with the culmination of THE MOCKERY of the Roll call, should also be considered an OMINOUS HISTORICAL FIRST and recorded in the history books!
This story is NOT over. The ending has NOT necessarily been already written. The ONC believes that ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE now. I don’t need to mention why, we already know . Their heads are SO big now that nothing can stop them, so they say.
You mentioned ‘nothing that has come out has affected BO’, that’s because the real “public” is just getting to know him. The Conservatives have enough TRUTHS to swift boat him down the river. As the onion layers get peeled away….the polls trend downward.
All it takes is a shred of doubt to be placed in the minds of the public, who still remain unconvinced about ‘ the real BO’, to sway the voters. His camp realizes this now, and I am sure will resort to ALL FORMS OF VOTING FRAUD inorder for their man to win.
This is where we can still make a difference. Let us know if we should organize on our state level or what to begin. we are around the PA area, a swing state.
I am SURE now that the closer BO gets to November, the more threats we will encounter, because there will be much at steak for his campaign.
#375 tillerylakelady
WOOHOO! I WILL MAKE MY FIRST DONATION TODAY TO THE MCCAIN CAMP AND LOOK FORWARD TO A WHOOP ASS IN NOVEMBER!
#380 stoney42 well said, BO loves BO and that sums it up.
I have a question. I tried unsubscribing to the dnc email list. I went to my spam folder and opened a email and clicked on unsubscribe. Then it said I had to put a 4 digit code in. I didn’t have one. SO about 7 hrs ago they sent me a code. So I opened an email clicked on unsubscribe put the code in, and they tell me its the wrong code. How do I stop the emails?
Not voting for McCain does not mean supporting Barack Obama. period
#365 Elaine Great article! I can’t wait to see more of them!
NEWS! Morning Call newspaper reports on Berg lawsuit! DNC and FEC have until Oct 21 to respond!
#379 McCain will not destroy this country. However, BO we know is an imposter.
let me be clear–I wanted Hillary-but lost that fight.
Although BO is not as qualified as Hill–McCain is the least qualified–I don’t want a soldier leading this country further into hell-especially a liar like Mccain-the repubs make me sick. They are using Hillary-knowing full weel they wanted her on the ticket so the right wing would rally against her. Hill will not run again–she will be a leader in the senate-like ted kennedy. Can’t take the risk of four more years-only not to have Hill run again.
Hillary was right during her speach-I am following her lead–enough is enough.
Thanks Murphy for everything.
I will do everything I can not to have 4 more years of McBush.
Sorry.
#389 Caracal Carrie don’t worry about it, you don’t have to support anyone you don’t want to you are not voting or supporting BO and that is all that matters
Im all over the no Bo!! Thanks Sly!
I give up with the Democratic Party…….They choose the weakest Afro-American; Why, because he was the best ORATOR. I have no problem with an Afro-American becoming POTUS. But I am sure there are other, better qualified candidates of Afro- Americans (or any other Race) to choose from; Why this guy? I realize that the last eight represents an easy win this election, and no matter who the Dems put in, it’s a win. However, I believe they messed up royally this time. They choose the weakest candidate. Obama has the talk, but he does not have the credentials to become Commander In Chief.
FYI…McCain staff is full of lobbyists-for the Rep. of Georgia to the oil companies–he doesn’t love this country–he only loves Money..more of the same.
no health care
no tax breaks for the missle class
no rights for women
come on people-get it together!
Good Morning, fellow PUMAs. For those who are having some trouble voting for McCain, though not liking BO, this is my reasoning:
While I disagree with McCain on some issues (healthcare esp.) what BO and his henchmen have done and are doing is saying that the end justifies the means. They will do anything to get power because they feel their cause is just and right. This is a very dangerous philosophy – it led Nixon to Watergate and we won’t even mention Hitler, who believed he was fighting a holy cause.
So think long and hard – do you want someone who will squash personal freedoms and constituionally guaranteed rights because the Cause warrants it, or do you want someone who’s got a not so good health care plan, but who won’t strip you of your freedoms just to push his plans through.
And remember, we still have a democratic congress which should check any excessive policies of McCain’s.
#392 c4hill I am a little confused…if you are saying you are voting for *61, you are on the wrong site!
NO WAY NO HOW NOBAMA…NOW OR IN THE FUTURE!
Here is a post where PUMA can share their feelings about secret ballots and coerced delegates:
http://news.aol.com/elections/conventions/democrats/article/bill-clinton-forcefully-endorses-obama/148784?icid=100214839×1208509296x1200441511
PA guy: who died made Obama the best orator? have you heard Charlie Rangel? Jesse jackson? Al Sharptin even? These guys can actually speak without a teleprompter and debate too! Obama was picked as a crony deal – just as W.
c4hill #379:
With all due respect, as I said before, we all will vote our conscience. My conscience and I believe the majority of the consciences of all that believe BO is NOT representative of the majority of Americans will NOT just vote because “he won”, Won what? the game?, the cheating game?
Because someone “won” does that mean our concerns are for naught? He hasn’t REALLY won until the majority of Americans vote him into office, (and even then, there is still probable chance for fraud).
The American people have not yet decided…remember this farce has transpired on the Delegate level!
You are free to choose who you support. This sight, as well as many others, seem to feel differently. If not, then perhaps I need to find a new circle of support.
Here is another post to share some more:
http://news.aol.com/elections/conventions/democrats/article/democrats-formally-tap-obama-biden/148408#commentBottom
Yeah we are all tired and disillusioned. Even me the cynical Independent. I would really recommend everyone rest. Especially Murphy and Mama and all the brave PUMA leaders who took the fight to Denver. You are naturally inspired people and resting and clearing your head will open the way for you inspirations. Be with the people who inspire you today re energize and come back ready for a good fight!
I am on board for McCain too but we need to be supportive of everyone here and the anti BO path they take. No problem making points in favor of your own thoughts. I will be slamming the Roe v Wade hysteria the Dems standardly use to manipulate women every time I see it. Still let’s not pressure people to go places they are not comfortable.
Love you all PUMAs!
If mccain wins this election, the DNC will again pick their guy and this time it will be Mark Warner, unless someone out of nowhere comes in, but it won’t be Hillary. She will have an uphill fight again, but at least she won’t have the race card to deal with. I have a feeling she is done with it. Just like A Gore and not run again. BHO will not be a factor at all in 4 years if he loses.
#392c4Hill-That’s you’re right, but please don’t imply that McCain will lead us into war because he was a soldier. Our troops suffer. McCain has said many times, anyone that’s been to war knows how awful it is. He’s fought against torture, he and Cindy have two kids in the service that they love and want to protect. Obama knows nothing.
#388 fedup144
can you report it as spam ?? My email will let me
C4hill you must be an Obama troll. Do you think that anyone who joined PUMA movement would consider voting for an unqualified candidate.
Give me a break.
what do yo think about the website
http://www.williamclinton.com ?
go ……….have a look all of you .
I have heard Change from the Obama campaign until I want to gag. But this morning, I realized he is right: Because of him great change will be made among the democratic voters.
First, a large number of us are going to be forced by our consciences to vote for someone else other than a democrat for the first time in our lives.
Second, Many of us will stop supporting a large number of the super delegates who are supposed to be representing us, either as governor, senator, or congressman. We have seen their corruption and cannot tolerate it.
Third, the curtain of deceit has been pulled aside and we see the corruption within our party. No longer will we tolerate the inner workings of the party without questioning it.
Fourth, we have seen the awful truth about the primary system. We have been forced to acknowledge the deceptiveness and the undemocratic nature of this part of the process. We can no longer deny the unfairness and the manipulativeness of this long standing system.
There are many things that need to be done. The changes are long overdue, and we must set about making them. The first thing we have to do is defeat their unqualified candidate. We need to defeat him by a landslide. We need to paint the nation red. Every state needs to vote against him, coast to coast and in Alaska and Hawaii. We need to punish them they way they punished the voters in MI and FL. We need to hammer home the truth: When you disregard the will of the voter, you will lose.
So, fellow PUMAs: We have much to do. I personally feel energized and ready to rock.
Let the CHANGE begin!
#394 I’ve got your back girl.
Did everyone hear BO got his bounce finally 1 point ahead of McCain….lmao. If that’s the bounce he’s in really big trouble and I’m loving it.
Obama 45%, McCain 44%
Does anyone have the web site for the Native American PUMAs? I would like to go there and listen to some of their YouTubes. I think BonnieBonnett or something does them.
Thanks
#385 1 Lucky Lady
I agree that providing information to the public is critical. I just emailed to my Repbulican friends and family on this very point before logging in. Most Americans are too busy and depend on the tank media such as CNN and MSNBC to get their info and unfortunately believe to be truthful. I live in New york and my boss lives in Florida. I spent the day with him yesterday and he asked me ‘What do you know about XO?’ (he’s a Democrat). Of course I rattled on for quite awhile and his jaw kept dropping.
My other thought as I expressed to my Republican friends and family is to help differentiate the Obamobots Dems from us, the PUMAS, the disenfranchised along with the unknowing Democrats who are PUMAS that needs to be aware that this party is not united and for the reason that XO has a very serious and questionable past.
My claws are sharpened and I am ready.
#327 storytellers
Re: “what happen to jbjd?”
She has been ousted by the administration.
jbjd can be reached at: jbjdjbjd@gmail.com
Tough stuff. You know what you know and you saw what you saw. Bill and Hillary Clinton did great and had the obvious support from the People. The voting did not match. The ballots were held in hotel rooms and handled by the BO Campaign. We will get all the facts later.
The Orange Rebellion was a Ukranian rebellion against such as this. This is way far from over.
#407 itbj2 – Ditto! There are 142 million registered voters in America and I will work day and night to educate them to what we have learned here and other sites about *61.
NO WAY NO HOW NOBAMA! NOW OR EVER!
The real Pillars of the Democratic Party who could have shored up and rebuild our economy has left Denver. America will truly crumble under Barrack Obama’s weak political spine.
#384 NoMoreInFL, exactly!!
If people are going to vote for the Undemocratic party…then enjoy yourself….there will be millions more that will vote NOBAMA!!!
#396 FYI BOs staff is full of lobbyists. Why don’t you look into which corporations are paying for BOs coronation party? Do you think they will want something in return? BO “won” the game, but I need an honest man and BO clearly isn’t one.
After Knowing what you know about BO …how could you even think about voting for him ?
Have you even payed any attention to his CRIMES..and i mean crimes…. Fraud.. and that is not a fabrication:
http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm
#410 slyt2 wrote:
Obama 45%, McCain 44%
Nobiden Nobama,.. The wonder twins LOL.
c4hill. Thanks for sharing. Good luck with all endeavors. Again do your homework on all the candidates background….then you do what your heart tells you to do.
This may not be the best forum for you to try to CONVERT others to your own personal decisions. There are many other groups open to your ideals….DNC/ONC/Barackobama.com…..
Good Luck. Now we have work to do.
#415 It was a long shot to get Hillary nominated. Now the real work starts. Now we need to show the DNC that ignoring the will of the DNC base will have major consequences and politics as usual will no longer be tolerated.
# 365 Elaine Thank you for posting this article …..I have read the last two paragraphs over and over …Confluence had an article last night regarding the “sisterhood of the traveling pantsuits”. I am no longer sad…I am fired up again!!
I’m going to post your article again …Thank you.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/hillary_cant_fix_what_her_part.html
Off to work with a PUMA smile!
NO WAY NO HOW NOBAMA…NOW OR EVER!
392 C4hill
389 Caracal Carrie
I must respectfully disagree.
To support OB is to support a liar and muddled headed opportunist whose only objective is to be elected. I cannot imagine placing our great country and our personal fates in his hands!
Furthermore it legitimizes a fraudulent election process. Our votes DID NOT count!! The result of such a travesty cannot be permitted to stand by electing Obama as our President.
Lastly, not voting in swing states like my home state of Virginia is a vote for Obama. The polls are tied. McCain needs every vote he can get to win. I will work to get him as many as I can.
I will not be watching the crowning tonight. I will be watching my Redskins play football.
I hope it rains in Denver.
#408 prowlland, LOL….that was a good one. williamclinton.com takes you to John McCain’s website!!
I have not watched a single minute of the convention. I only saw a few glimpses of it on CNBC. Does anybody know how many people actually watched it?
The 0 watched Senator Clinton from a home in Montana…but he wouldn’t be welcome in this Montana home, nor will he get many votes. The 0 is going after the Montana veteran’s votes (ranked 2nd in US % as well as who was officially invited to his Tuesday gathering in Billings).
NObama
PUMA
C4hill -
You are on the wrong blog. BO knew what he had to do to get the PUMA vote. He did just the opposite. He is a corrupt, left wing opportunist who will do just as much damage to this country as Bush has done. He has no integrity or concept of democracy and he does not share my values.
We are tired of Right/Left exploitation of the People in the middle. I am fed up and not going to take it anymore!
c4hil:
You will not find any Obama sympathizers here! We know McCain is not of the same mind set as us regards to many things. But he is THE one thing that will get most of our votes: Competent.
I will not support this corrupt Democratic party in their games. My vote will be a protest vote. If my state, Indiana, is solidly polling for McCain just before the election, I will vote for Nader. If not, I will vote for McCain. The point is: We cannot allow these crooks and liars to win. To do so would be to indicate that we accept and allow it to happen again.
The other point is: Obama is incompetent. Our nation would be in grave danger if he were president. McCain or Nader either one, are a better choice.
Wow Nobama is really sucking air look at the spread between Dems and Nobama. +1 Nobama +10 Dems. Thats – 9 point of suck.
RCP Average
Obama
46.5
McCain
44.7
Obama +1.8
Generic Congressional Vote
RCP Average
Democrats
47.4
Republicans
37.2
Democrats +10.2
Bill Clinton is the best speaker we have ever had… he can change anyone mind… Kennedy was just a good… that is why your having second thoughts about voting for BO… he almost convinced me… But after hearing him when he was running for President… i knew his heart wasn’t in it…. He did have a spark when he started talking about Biden… I do think he approves of him.. McCain… is not a tipical Republican…. listen to him good and then make up you mind.
#396 c4hill What is your point??Did you go on McCains website so you can back all your claims? Everyone here agrees on one thing NOBAMA maybe not McCain, maybe McCain, maybe a third party, maybe sit home with a bowl of popcorn and watch a good movie but all agree NO BO NO BIDEN! I am being serious what is your purpose here, trying to push BO, telling us how evil McCain is, we all know Hillary is and was the one we all wanted well she is out now so now we decide what we will do, I did not hear you push to vote for BO so I will give you the benefit of the doubt maybe you are just concerned about McCain too, but if your plan is to push BO you might just want to leave now because you will get nowhere here with that crap.
orator (plural orators)
1. Someone who orates or delivers an oration.
2. A skilled and eloquent public speaker.
3. Barrack Obama
Let’s not confuse an orator with a true Public Servant.
I am fed up too-but I am not going to throw the baby out with the bath water. I am not a troll-but I am not some fanatic who is going to beleive all the muslim-terrorist crap that the repubs peddle -in the hopes that we spread their lies and hate for them.
BO is not my candidate-but neither is McCain. I could care less that his kid is in Iraq—war is glory for McCain-as long as there is a war-he is happy–he has nothing else to offer.
I will find a new site–I didn’t realize that you were fanatics that are willing to lie for your cause.
To say BO is a terrorist and a muslim is ridiculous.
I have sat on over 10 boards-and rarely had a conversation with the other board members-the Ayers thing is crazy–I think we all know that. I can’t be part of lying–no matter what-my parents raised me with integrity.
Some of you need to find some intergrity of your own.
Good luck.
“I think we now know that BO is not evel–we can blame pelosi and reid for what they did to Hillary–but I don’t think I can continue to harbour this anger towards BO. He won. It’s over. We need to move on.”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I don’t know where this stuff is coming from. How do we NOW “know BO is not evil”??? When everything he has done so far has shown he is a novice at best with no moral compass. He hasn’t suddenly grown a conscience just because the Clintons did a 360 on their words….. either the things they said BEFORE the convention or the things they said DURING the convention are JUST WORDS. One or the other. They are talking out of both sides of their mouth right now for reasons we can’t understand , but it doesn’t mean we have to buy it. I for one, WILL NOT! There’s no need to recant the litany of BO’s misdeeds here. We all know them well. I can’t imagine that sham of a roll call being the omen of things to come. I don’t care if the whole world guzzles the koolaid, I refuse to drink. I may be the last one standing, but stand I will.
NOBAMA/NOBIDEN/in NOVEMBER !!
#426 stoney42 on 08.28.08 at 9:10 am
I will not be watching the crowning tonight. I will be watching my Redskins play football.
YOU KNOW IT , ME TOO and we better do better then last week . Give me a whoop for the skins.
#436 c4hill like i said in my post above I didn’t hear you outright say vote BO, if you are unsure (like some are on here) as to who you can vote for now look on McCain’s site look on the other candidates website. I know there are at least 2 other people running for president not just those two.
LOL sly thats awesome!
I plan on watching my fav movie for about the 47th time instead!
#211 Diva2….great list of things to do. I think once Murphy, Mama, and Maryland PUMA get back and get some rest…..there are many of us that are willing and ready to go to put some of those tactics to work.
IMO, beyond just not voting or voting for Mccain which some will do…we need to readjust the MISSION of PUMA. We know and have made it known that a primary objective is NOBO.
But the ONC, the media and other organizations need to know we are not protesting because we are sore losers. It’s not just a sexist issue. It’s because WE WILL NOT TOLERATE corruption and fraudulent practices and the raping of our democratic principles. Our PURPOSE goes beyond this election cycle…but it is this cycle which has been the catalyst and culmination of awareness for so many that otherwise would have been clueless. There are plenty of clueless souls out there and they need to be educated. It cannot be chalked up to politics as ususal.
WE ARE AND WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE A DIFFEREENCE.
Go Redskins !!!!!
No Way No How NoObama !!!!
439—you are right-I should look at the site.thx
I didnt hear President Clinton say anything about Mo,, did ya’ll…. he said something about Bidens wife… but not MO…
mcr #413
thank you,
I would not ask anymore.
to me only has the general interest, as I suppose for the rest of bloggers, no a particular interest
I do want to know thu, what is going on @ the berg´s lawsuit
#438 slyt2
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSKINS!
My favorite is Chris COOOOOOOOOOOOley.
Sorry Pumas, back to business.
I will vote for McCain. The Democratic party has a bunch of corrupt thugs that have taken over. If Democrats who oppose this go ahead and fall in line this corruption will continue from here on in. I don’t think McCain is another Bush he has voted with Democrats many times in the past. If anything, I think Obama is more like Bush than McCain. He certainly has his know it all immature egotistical attitude. The Clinton’s have all but kissed his feet and they are still grumbling they didn’t do enough to praise him. I don’t want another God for president, I want one that cares about someone other than themselves.
I respect c4hill and all others who will vote for Obama. Personally, I’m just too disgusted and will not vote at all.
The DNC threw the democratic process out the window. I’m not a republican so I guess there is nobody to vote for.
c4hill
You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about and your comments about McCain are as nutty as you say the terrorists accusations about Obama are.
The Morning Call newspaper in Allentown has a story anout BOs birth cert lawsuit. I just emailed kevin.amerman@mcall.com to give him my take on it. Does anyone remember if FACTCHECK.ORG has something to do wth BOs Annenburg Challenge ED foundation? I know-go research it yourself! Thanks anyhoo
I made a financial contribution to John McCain last night. In the “referred by” box I wrote PUMA.
Froma Harrop interviewed Murphy and Maryland PUMA and has some good insights in what happened
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/hoolihans-and-pumas/
436 c4hill
Im not telling you anything.. but the truth … but you need to do more reseach…he did contribute to his Cousins campaign..and went ove there and spoke in his behalf . (he is not really his cousin)… He is a muslim…. after he lost…they burned Cristians inside a church… much more than this…. ill try and find the website…
The Democratic Governor in North Carolina passed a law allowing voters to register and vote same day. Wonder if more states have done this???? Read Ohio has passed same law.
#448 Tunedintopumas did you read the comments posted by c4hill don’t get on this person I don’t thing they are promoting BO(yet) they voiced concerns about McCain. They didn’t say I am going with BO we all have concerns now that Hillary is out for good, I’d like to think if I had a question or concern about McCain I could ask my Puma friends here and no one would get mad at me.
#132 InHan said: “But that’s not true is it? That’s what this Primary has shown me. Now I will say, I am a young man with no children. But I think about the future alot. And I know someday I’m going to have a little girl or a little boy. Some of my friends (Both my age bracket and older) have kids of their own. Now what do you say when your little girl, who is old enough to kind of understand what’s been going on, that there is a woman running for President I mean, walks up to you and asks
“Mommy (Or daddy)? Why didn’t she win?”
How do you answer that? It brings me to tears to think that we might have to say “Because she’s a woman”
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I cried for the first time.. I sobbed…. This cannot be the end…..
I will not give up on making this the democracy Women can believe in!!!
#441 Right on. Hillary asked in her speech if we were just supporting her or her causes…well it’s time to answer her. This is not just about you, HRC! We are fighting for our great democracy, our way of life and our own voices! PUMA forever!
Normapapuma
Allentown……Billy Joel was right……their closing all the factories down!
#441 Zephr
WE WILL NOT TOLERATE corruption and fraudulent practices and the raping of our democratic principles
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Well Said. Much has been said about McCain( refered to as Mcsame) futhering Bush’s agenda, but so it can be said of the selected candidate, OsameA when he choose to use the same regressive tactics that started this whole mess in the first place during the 2000 election.
I am going to watch the Coronation tonight, just for information and amusement. I have noticed that the crowd tells a truer story than the MSM. The Clintons both got genuine cheers from the crowd. The other speakers did not. Even when BO came on after Biden, the crowd did not respond the same. And I do not know if I imagined it or not, but the sound had a glitch at that time, as if it were being augmented.
#448
what is nutty about what I said about McCain?
Look at his team and whose on it-73% lobbyists–even Hannity admits it..seriously–if your voting for Mccain–you should check out who he surrounds himself with and what their interests are–Phil Gram–lobbied to deregulate the mortage industry-hence the subprime mess-he’s one of McCains cheif economic advisers…I could go on and on…but to call these facts nutty shows that you havent done your research on your candidate–at least know what you are supporting..good luck.
I will not vote BO or Mccain. period.
436 c4hill
Ok i found it ….go down to where BO is holding up his hand in a picture….
http://www.clintons4mccain.com/
http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-a4_5berg.6564143aug28,0,5446289.story
453–thanks for the support!
459 c4hill
I understand how you feel… and you have to do what you have to do…. but i have to vote against BO… and the only way i can see it effecting the out come is to hold my nose and vote for McCain. At least he loves his country…
Obama is not Bill Clinton….and McCain is not George Bush! I’ll trust my vote with McCain
To say BO is a terrorist and a muslim is ridiculous.
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Well we must be careful here with use of words. BO father was Muslim. His step father was Muslim and he did go to Muslim school. He lies about all that. I am not saying he is a muslim terrorist. But he does not have 100% loyalty to American Ideals.
His mother was communist. He was raised by Frank Marshall Davis the head of the Communist party in Hawaii. He did embrace Frank and mentions him in his book but does not give his last name to hide the communism part.
LOOK WE just do not know who this guy is. He is way too new. I grew up in Chicago and KNOW Corruption of Chicago Politics. He is a corrupt Chicago Politician. There are no other successful kind.
His friends are radicals.
I find him much too dangerous to be President.
I will vote for McCain at least he is full American.
I watch Hillary mccain obama and there is a big difference in there humanity as expressed on TV. I do not like what I see in Obama and Michelle.
I will not support the DNC corruption that has come from Obama as their head honcho with Pelosi, Dean, Kennedy, Kerry, Reid etc.
I do not accept the way the nomination process took place. The rules were set up to disenfrancise the public and hold all power in the Super Delegates and the head of the DNC. It was totally phony.
McCain does have a good energy policy and that is super important right now. Our entire economy and strength as a nation depends on low cost energy. McCain supports immediate work on all forms of energy. Obama wants to see oil prices go up so that it will appear that alternative forms of energy are ok investments. But this country will die under high oil prices.
You know that high energy prices are simply a reflection of the inflation caused by politicians expanding the money supply. What we see is not high energy prices but a collapse of our dollar and earning power. We are sliding very quickly into becoming a 3rd world country. We must get our financial house in order as fast as possible.
In the past all super powers from the Romans to the British Empire have lost power from going broke. The transfer of money to Arabs and China has not been seen since Spanish took all the gold from the Incas. This is a critical situation. The gold going to Spain eventually caused a collapse.
This is a critical time. Obama does not understand all the implications of his energy policy of Wind Power. It just will never solve our problem. Right now we must support all forms of energy.
My opinion is that the world population is just getting to big. We really need to hold back on the world population back to a point were the globe can support things in harmony with nature. But everyone seems to ignore the world population problem today.
Obama’s actions spoke louder than his word’s… and they WHERE…..”JUST WORDS”. His history proves he is not worthy of POTUS.
#462 c4hill no problem.
#446 stoney42 I like Chris Cooley too , actually I like a lot of them but my all time fav and will always be Art Monk got his jersey and I cried when they FINALLY put him in Hall of Fame. (sorry off subject)
#423 PumaRhythm
GREAT ARTICLE – EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS. GOT ME FIRED UP AGAIN AS WELL.
I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH PHIL BERG TODAY, FIND OUT WHAT’S HAPPENING AND GET BACK TO YOU GUYS LATER.
MCCAIN 08
HILLARY 12 —–PERIOD!
As I read on another site…I don’t think that a guy that voted present over 130 as a state senator has the judgment and leadership to be the President.
#454 bmw60 – I had 2 grandsons who sat with me to watch the tape of Hillary’s Speech and couldn’t understand why I was crying. Then they watched the roll count vote and asked, what are they doing. I told them the truth about this entire election. The entire thing was fraud and cheating, all of which are criminal acts. I ended with “This is politics!” You pick the BEST person and pray it works out! And this year it’s John McCain.
Hi I’m new here. Could everyone please humor me for a second and say what policy points of McCain you like better then Obama’s. I’m just getting really sick of my friends talking about you guys the way they are, and this might shut them up.
436
Now you have insulted me. I don’t take litely to someone questioning my integrity. I have one goal and only one goal and that is to support my county by voting for the best person to run.
As far as lies and rumors, I can discern for myself if the source is credible. And if I don’t know for sure, ~~When in doubt I don’t believe or follow.
Good Morning Everyone!
A big THANK YOU to the THREE EM’S and all our other FELLOW PUMAs for their wonderful representation of all of us. You make us proud.
NOW, I hear the first item on the IMPOSTER’s agenda will be Tax Reform. Supposedly, he is going to do away with the upper teir as it is and will use those funds for WHAT????
It doesn’t appear that he’ll be using the funds for Healthcare, Social Security (put back the funds to the TRUST FUND), etc.
Will it all go to his buddies in reverse of what the current administration has done? I think so. Or, will it go to free education for the AA’s that I have heard, in reparation??
There will be no DECREASE in taxes for the Middle Class, or anyone else either – EXPECT INCREASES only. Does it look like he knows how to manage from the way he spends and spends and spends without getting desired results!!!!!!! Another big smoke screen.
His feet need to be put to the fire – we need answers to the ‘ISSUE(s)’ questions. People need to know what he’s up to. Not that he’ll get my vote, IF he becomes POTUS.
He’s on Fox right now – I can’t even stand to look at the TV. I am not a violent person, but I so want to throw something at it. I used to feel this way about Bush!!!
My g’children are coming over – maybe a sleepover – it will be a wonderful diversion from the spectacle they will be putting on tonite. If not, maybe I’ll take a ride up to the casino – at least that noise will be more palatable.
TC – KEEP THE FAITH
greta
#460
thanks for the link–but honestly–I saw what they did to Mccain in 2000–spreading all the crap about his black baby-and what they did to Kerry in 2004.
Not buying any lies that the repubs put out–they count on the stupidity of the American people to drink their kool aid–that is what is the most disappointing about McCain–after what karl rove did to him in 2000–he has hired his protege to replicate these nonsense tactics.
this county is starting to make me sick. It seems that if someone puts anything on the internet-without lol at the end of it–we take is as fact.
don’t think so. sorry.
467 sly2
c4hill said on #426 “War is glory for McCain.”
c4hill said on #396 “McCain doesn’t love this country, only money. He was also called a liar in another post.
McCain literally bled for this country. What has Obama or Nader done for this country? I cannot tolerate c4hill’s ranting.
In an Obama/McCain match up I don’t see how anyone with a functioning brain can vote for Obama. Hillary was a different story.
Ok I will say this once and then I will let it go my honest opinion is BO was a Muslim . He is a christian we all know he was in that horrible church for 20 years but what about before he joined the church that is when I think he was a Muslim (growing up). He has never said what he was for the first 20 some years of his life but we know the schools he went to and we know what his father’s were and his family. So ya I think he was but I think he is no more. Just my two cents.
#473
Not that Im in the business of defending the GOP, but im not sure if thats eniterely fair….it would be the same as us grouping the democrtats all tgether and saying we remember how they wre sexist and racist in 2008 and dont believe a word of it…no we all realize there are elements on both sides that are just plain corrupt.
Momma PUMA I stand in awe of you and all the fellow PUMA’s out in Denver. Thanks for all the hard work and the words of inspiration. We will keep up the “good fight!”
c4hill
I don’t think McCain loves war. He faught Bush and was against torture. If anything he knows how awful war can be. Having said that i think he is less likley to use force than most.
sly…
he absolutely was a muslim…i dont think he is today…but the fact that he so vehemently denies it makes me uncomfortable…
#474 Tunedintopumas I know what was said but can’t you just go outside the box for a moment and understand that maybe it’s just a BIG concern for some people on here to just jump to McCain never ever in my wildest dreams would I ever thought I would vote for a repub but I will and I am . If you read my first post #434 I am not totally liking what they said, but I am not going to assume every single person on here saying concerns about McCain is a bad person. I truely don’t want to fight with anyone I’m to drained from yesterday.
I grew up in chicago. the south side was and is a hot bed of radicalism because it is so poor and black there. It is a jungle. of course there are radicals. these people blame whites for their problems. Obama is a product of that environment. his supporters seem to spew so much hatred because that is the south side of chicago. they hate whites. they are blacks. Michelle believes as the south side of chicago believes that this world is a fight between blacks and whites. All this is being hidden during this campaign.
Unfortunately Obama was tutored communist before the civil rights really took hold. The black people felt oppressed and turned to radical ideas to find deliverance from the evil white empire. Communism was easy to fester in the black community of the time. Now I am NOT talking about a Russian Communism but more the Marxist ideas of Communism as developed in the Black community of America. These are communist ideals with an American twist. But they are Marxist Communist no less. These ideals fall into the far left wing of the Democratic Party. They have no place in the Republican party. So we have to deal with them if we are going to be a two party system.
Just as the radicals in the Republican party have gained nominees, now the radicals in the Democratic party have a nominee. We must remember we are Americans and reject such radicals. Radicalism is not an answer to our problems. Allowing anger to over flow is not an answer.
I suggest we find moderation. We too need to stretch out to the Republicans. Not just those in Congress but we as people must do the same. Now is a time for moderates in the Dem party to vote for a moderate of the Rep party to wrest back the political strength of moderation in both parties.
Think of it this way. we form a 3 party system. Radicals on the right and on the left and then a party of the middle. Well to form that middle party means moderate dems join with moderate repubs. and both abandon the radicals to form their own independent party.
Why I’m OK (not so happy, but OK) with McCain:
He is the closest the GOP has come in a long time to running a candidate who is proven to work with both sides of the aisle, to get things accomplished for America.
As I posted downstairs, I’m sick of having my reproductive organs held over my head as a threat by the DNC…”vote for us, no matter how lame we are, or the big, bad republicans will make you bear children..” R.v.W is the least of my worries with the threat of BO hanging over my head!
It is ridiculous to think McCain will be careless about the war with his own flesh and blood in the war zone. BO is another story. He is a novice who will be getting “on the job” training. You don’t play hardball with the big boys if you only have experience in the t-ball league!
NO PROMISE BO MAKES IS WORTH THE AIR HE USED TO SPEAK IT! He hasn’t kept any promise yet EXCEPT THE CHANGE PROMISE. Before our very eyes, He has CHANGED to every shape, color and philosophical persuasion for his own gain and personal convenience . Change is a way of life — for chameleons.
Jumping from the frying pan into the fire would indeed be a CHANGE, but it would be pure foolishness to do it.
433 Prowland – When Bill Hillary and Chelsea goes into the voting booth, you better believe they will be voting McCain. Then 2012 it will be Hillary!
Trish – You’ve got mail!
c4hill
why would mccain love war? i think he understands war more than bo…and i think he is a realist and believes that there are situations where war is absolutely necessary…and i agree…
#479 Ario that is totally how I feel about it , if you were admit it. Couldn’t have said it better myself..be right back gotta take daughter to work.
ATTENTION #436 c4hill ~
I agree with you that saying BO is a terrorist is ridiculous and if someone posted that on here it was stupid and wrong. BUT saying this “war is glory for McCain-as long as there is a war-he is happy–he has nothing else to offer” is just as ridiculous and makes you sound like a far left fanatic. I’m a Republican and I find your comments very offensive and very ignorant.
I support your right to vote for BO or anyone else but please don’t spread lies about McCain to support your cause.
Thanks.
436 c4hill – I think that most people will agree that BO has good ideas and he may even be motivated by a noble ideas, not just a lust for power. He truly thinks that his ideas and his leadership is what our country needs. My objection to him is that he’s not experienced enough to take on this job, that you can’t pin him down on anything and he seems to talk out of two sides of his mouth. I don’t think people really listen to him – he says he wants change, but then he aligns himself with Biden and the Kennedys.
And what his campaign has demonstated (with his blessing) is a tendency to use whatever means to get what he wants. As I said in a previous post, that is a very dangerous philosophy. This is the heart of the issue against BO, not the Ayers, the Muslim or even the Rev. Wright thing.
noyfollow
i agree…i think this country is lucky mccain is running…he is much more moderate than many gops…could anyone imagine if it was falwell or newt running????
473 c4hill
There is proof…. there is a money trail .. im not one to argue with about this…. but im convinced… and pictures dont lie…
c4hill
maybe it will be good to go over, how voting goes
I am no trying by no means to tell you what to do or interfere with you free-will
and to me voting is a sacred act
having said the above
because of the mechanism of american voting
only 2 parties with congretinal & senate representation,etc
when you have 2 candidates, you might one is better than the other, but the heck with it, if either of the one win the nation is not going to be in peril
one could allaw onself the luxury of voting , a thank you , a vote of confidence, to whatever group or party ones wishes
the particular circumstance that we are living right now in my modest opinion the best thing is a “useful vote”
You guys, I suspect certain bloggers who have been here awhile and are very enjoyable to read may have been BO plants. You know, go , make friends, wait for when the nomination is finally stolen and then try and lead us “home” to the DNC. Well I do enjoy you guys who are falling in line but as for the likelihood myself falling in line just let me say
NOT BLOODY LIKELY!
475
He went to an international school in Indonesia–which was multi faith–yes-mostly muslim-as Indonesia is mostly muslim. But it was an international school-as his mother work for the US embassy-and this school had a lot of diplomat children attending.
474–I stand by what I said.
I didn’t realize that being a soldier qualified you for president–I want someone who can give orders–not take them. and who is interested in other things besides war and money.
too bad we don’t have any one like that running anymore.
McCain is a moron-I am not voting for someone because they were a POW-gimme a break.
Everybody in the MSM has been making BO out to be this unbeatable very smart guy. But nobody has really challenged him on any of his views. He has pretty much gotten a free ride. As soon McCain started going after him the media started calling the ads racist. So how can anyone vote for a guy who can’t even speak for him self. I truly believe that BO is a puppet just as Bush was/is. No convictions beyond getting elected.
Is this a lie ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBJouPhws1M&eurl=http://www.clintons4mccain.com/
When the roll call was going on – I wrote down the states and the votes for Hillary – at the same time – comparing what was still left in her column prior to the roll call – you can see which State delegates abandoned her the most -
Ala – lost 20 delegates
Alaska – did not lose any – I guess Patty that sent a response to one of our pumas – did go with us.
American Samoa – both of her two delegates left her
Arizona – lost 4 of her delegates
Arkansas – A BIG BUST – all of her delegates abandoned her – big disappointed from Ms Gwatney
California and Illinois and New Mexico – passed
Colorado – lost 4 delegates
Connecticut – only lost one delegate
Deleware – lost all her delegates
Democrats Abroad – lost none
DC – lost none
Florida – only lost 1 delegate – he always had the lead even with 1/2 vote
Georgia – lost 9 delegates
Guam – lost none
Hawaii – Lost 5 delegates
Idaho – lost none – albeit – was only 3 anyway
Indiana – big loss of 32 delegates
Iowa – lost 5 delegates
Kansas – lost 3 delegates
Kentucky – lost 13 delegates
Louisiana – lost 15 delegates
Maine – lost 1 delegate
Maryland – a big 22 delegate loss
Massachusetts – lost 3 delegates
Mississippi – lost 5 delegates
Montana – no lost delegates
Michigan – 7 delegate loss
Missouri – BIG 30 Delegate loss – a state where they were virtually tied – only 6 delegates went with her
New Hampshire – LOST all her delegates
New Jersey – LOST all of her 59 delegatess
Minnesotta – lost 16 of her delegatess
Nebraska – lost 5 of her delegates
Nevada – lost 3 of her delegates
This was based on the last demconwatch switcheraroos toward the end that was reported -
I think we might have to find out who is running for office in those big change of hearts and let them know we WERE WATCHING THEM.
Any prowl I will be there for it.
c4hill, I guess you will have to sit this one out.
OK look can we not … at all ….. please… try and come up with some actions..or thoughts..or anything.. past the McCain thing and on to HOW are we going to take action and bring to light the corruption in the DNC. There is work to be done outside of just who we are going vote for. The purpose of this place is supposed to be taking a stand against all that is wrong with the democratic party. We can do that in ways other than just who we vote for.
I’d like to thank c4hill:
We were all pretty tired and disappointed yesterday. Tempted to slack off for a while. But you stepped right up to the plate, and reminded us why we can’t quit. We must get the word out. We must educate people of the truth. We cannot let soothing, empty rhetoric sway the the American voters into believing the lie. Thanks for being a recharging force in this fight for NOBAMA!
First we have to get past this election. After that we can worry about the party.
c4hill-
We are not lying to you. Hillary has stated that incriminating facts about BO like associations and actions with Rezko and Ayers are not reported. Now she is all Party Unity-but only because she was given no choice. Who’s being betrayed here?
good morning all
c4hill on this site everyone has there own vote and mind. Disention and nipping isnt a good thing and doesnt give real value to any of us. We wont be stirred into debate when it comes to BO. If you think you should be there than there are lots of sites for him. Maybe just a little more digging will help you find someone to back.Its a hard dasy for us all but lets keep it togeather all ok. I am sick and many are dont let it boil over in wrong direction.
So there my vent lol
c4
it is not wise in my opinion to dismiss foreign policy. not in this day and age and if bo continues to dismiss it he definetely will never see the white house. and you and i know it is blatantly dishonest to dismiss mccains 20 plus years as a senator. feelings are hurt believe me i understand…but you dont seem the type to start spilling some of the same talking points that obama did…because nobody really believes it.
Does anybody think that we can do anything if BO gets elected. In politics the right thing is what ever works.
ugh ill be back later
#492 Seattlegirl
I think you are 100% correct!
#496 Thanks. This pisses me off even more! I don’t see my state. That means just because we start witha letter late in the alphabet we didn’t get to vote! What bull $h!t.
# 468 mimi1020 Thanks mimi …I will be checking the blog thru out the day …will look for your post !!
McCain 08
Hillary 12 — You Betcha !!!!!
Pumas Rock !!!!
slyt2
look at his resume………….its very thin
When I hire someone, i could care less about his race, religion, or party affiliation. the question is does his background, accomplishments, and qualifications aloow him to perform the tasks set befprm him; or do I need to hire mentors to hold his hand and lead him.
Does anyone think as I do that this has been orchestrated by the MSM and now that they have secured BO as the nominee the tide will turn?
I think BO will now be easy pickings for the Republicans, the fix that got the fix in is about to roll over BO!
I think our job will be an easy one, the Obama Camp will be smashed for good. Things are never really what they seem in politics, lets keep a sharp eye on this, do not give in to defeat. 18 million votes are up for grabs!
#498 & 499. I vote for full disclosure with Notfollowingthepiedpiper.
Obama simply does not qualify! Time is money and OJT is not an Option. Obama is trying to enter the Big League without displaying merit.
#487
I don’t think I am spreading lines about Mccain–everytime he is criticized for anything-he plays the POW card–it’s getting old-and cheapens the experience of other soldiers. I am not trying to be disrespectful. His campaign is run by lobbyists and he flip flopped on everything from tax cuts to global warming.
c4hill – Please click on the ABOVE link at the top of this blog thread, which will bring you to our ABOUT web page that clearly articulates PUMA goals.
This is neither the time nor forum for recruiting votes for your candidate or for bashing Senator McCain.
Perhaps it is time for you to move on. We PUMAS need to focus now more than ever, without distractions, and have much work to do to protest the 2008 election and fight for the restoration of our democracy.
Thank you fellow PUMAS for all the amazing work you have done so far. Today is a new day…
OK I have an idea. I started yesterday looking at local papers to find people speaking out against BO. I live in a dem state so if they can speak out I want to talk to them. We have to grow our numbers.Lets start there. Watch local news see who might be able to help us. I think people want to ban but dont know how or where.Lets help them out.my thought what do you think?
also why would hillary and biden both ridicule obamas foreign policy and praise mccain? and rezko isnt some right wing dig up and neither is wright. thats another problem i see the democrats facing…if it iis bad news it must be from the gop. that makes no sense…we heard about this stuff from hillary herself!
#502…
i agree…the fact that we are even debating obamas resume is ludicrous. we need to all take a deep breath and regroup.
country before party!!!!!
Good morning, PUMAs,
I know this is a time of confusion, sorting through, and reflection about all that has happened. People have to make personal decisions about their vote and the impact it will have on our country, our democracy. That is a personal choice and, if we are fighting for democracy, should be respected! Let’s remember that discussion of ideas does not necessarily equal a decision. So if people want to discuss their thinking and their confusion in the process of making a decision, I, for one, hope it is not condemned. Of course that is up to the administrators of this blog, but I hope and pray we do not turn this blog into a parallel universe to Obamocracy where free speech is prohibited unless you are in lockstep with the “one”. I hope we can talk this through and establish for ourselves, based upon the evidence, where we stand.
My thinking is this. I understand how many can be persuaded by Bill and Hill supporting BO and by the enthusiasm of a convention. However, my basic reasoning for not supporting BO is more comes down to two essential issues: 1) the process of how he became the nominee; and2) his credentials or lack thereof. Leaving out all of the other unsubstantiated rumors about his BC, affiliations, etc. those are the basic issues for me. I am first and foremost concerned that the way in which this unqualified individual secured the nomination is a preview of his presidency. I always look at actions as the truth, not the words. That is how I have arrived at my decision not to support this candidate. Others may have different thoughts.
#510 The MSM is clearly involved. We need to find out who finance or sponsored this DNC convention. If it was a media company then we know who owns BO.
I’ve been watching C-Span this morning covering the Platform Committee hearing on the party platform for this year’s election. I’m watching the moderates trying to take back their party from the overbearing conservatives. They won some battle and lost others, but at least they are trying. The Democrat Party is doing just the opposite. If you’re feeling a little queasy about voting for the republican candidate, try to catch the replay of this hearing when it’s on again. I’ve voted straight Democrat ticket for 30 years even though I’ve always been a registered independent, but this year I can’t.
480 slyt2
Agreed, yesterday was a bad day and we’re all on edge. I believe John McCain has earned an objective look and we need to look at him because of the threat Obama poses. It upsets me to see over the top accusations and name calling directed at him on this blog. That being said, I’ll drop it.
Can we get the troll patrol out here?
Please?
514
like I said-I am not voting for BO
but I am not abusing my voting priviledge to vote for someone who against everything Hillary stood for.
If you vote for Obama you’re apart of the problem, apart of election fraud, race baiting, media manipulation, corrupt Chicago style politics, and you align yourself with all the anti American haters Obama aligned himself with.
You’ve became what you pretended to reject. You shed all that you said was loyal and moral and explain it away as party unity. Obama has no policies he’s flipped on EVERY policy . He’s used race as a tool of success, opening the door for every unqualified candidate to use that as a crutch
He has no accomplishments except a shady and secretive past. What will Obama deliver JUST WORDS.
So don’t look for an excuse to SELLOUT, because there’s none except the person in the mirrow is no better than Obama and SOLDOUT.
If this were Hillary-We would have never heard the last of it – but narry a word about The ONE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec-X0omNgcY
That’s the Republican platform hearing I was watching.
HP BOSTON
Yes I do agree with you.They will dump him I think like a hot potatoe . They were afraid of Hillary and needed Obama to beat.Lets help them out. I wish we could line up tons of lawyers to watch the vote. To be ready to legally do him in.He will cheat and lie and try tough pressure. This is so important especially now.We are in a very dangerous time I think .Can regular people wtch polling places? I would volenteer.
Isn’t there a “chat” room where some of this stuff can be expressed?
I am waiting to hear from Murphy, because I’m sure we’ll be getting new prowls. Don’t let a few people start trying to divided us; it’s already been done!!
Isn’t this still a NOBAMA PAC?
#493 c4hill, what flavor of Kool-aid are you drinking???
ok guys and gals…todays a new day…im off for a while…have to head to virgina for a while…might even stop by the mccain headquarters…have a great day!!!!
c4hill we all value our right to vote as we see fit. We dont sponsor anyone but on other hand we dont want to have to argue to defend our thoughts or vote,this isnt a benefit to anyone it is disention and that isnt our style we are PUMA
Just e-mailed Dean and told him what a sham the convention is. I know he won’t read it, some clerk will, but it made me feel better. Will e-mail again on and off throughout the day.
Art Monk is a real gentleman. That’s for Slyt2.
Here is a question for each and every Obama campaigner who approaches you, asking you to vote for Obama.
Ask them this: “Please tell me specifically why you want me to vote for this person, only do not, I repeat, do not use the words ‘hope’ and ‘change’.”
YES Barrack,
Change will happen… when ordinary Democratic voters do extra ordinary things….by voting for John McCain WE begin the cleansing process of the DNC. The NEW Democrats will make history when they choose a candidate based on background, accomplishments, and qualifications; regardless of Party affiliation.
Good morning PUMAS-
Watched part of Bill’s speech last nite – then I turned to the Food Network -
Did see when Mike Dukakis was on H & C and Sean kept asking me to name something precious had/has accomplished – was funny watching him – finally came up with integrity? (didn’t know that was an accomplishment – thought that was a personal value) & then tried to say how important his work as a community organizer was – yeah I guess – it’s tough to register dead people
Got a request for money from the MN DFL party – sent it back to them with Nobama Nobiden November written across it & get this – suggested 1st class stamp would be appreciated – pay for it yourselves – get the money from the BIG player
Am planning to send a short pithy email to all of the email addresses I have saying:
Nobama Nobiden November
When Democracy comes back to the Democratic Party, so will we.
Think that will get the message across……………anyone agree??????????????????
Surprised that there was only a one point jump from last nights speech by Bill – lets see what tomorrow brings – but Obama only up by one point according to Rasmussen today.
My friend from Denver send she is thinking of selling her ticket to the Obama wing ding tonight and giving the money to McCain. I told her great idea.
#509 PA Guy oh god I will vote for McCain no if and buts about it , I do not want BO at all and i do not stick up for that empty talking suit at all. You must have not read all my post, yuck now I just feel dirty think i need a shower.
#520 Tunedintopumas
I rarely have experienced as much pian as I felt watching the DNC the last two nights. To see what should have been as opposed to the DNC manipulations is disheartening.
I left the democratic party in June 2008, when it was clear what the DNC was doing. I would like to have a party that I can return to, but if BHO wins, it will never happen.
I do understand the anquish at choosing between BHO and McCain, but I think that we may more able to stand McCain and, hopefully get Hillary in 2012.
Ultimately, I actually wish that the Clinton’s would help start a third party that is void of the DNC.
528
Kool-aid?
They interviewed fellow students and teachers from the school-months ago-on Cnn–and Combs mentioned it on Fox…no kool aid here–just dealing in facts–still not voting for him–just not into spreading lies–it hurts PUMAs credibility–stick with the facts–the lies make us look like fanatics.
Is everyone one a troll who doesn’t drink the republican kool aid-just wondering what the rules are here.
Now that was weird – my post went away before I was finished – one point bounce for Obama from yesterday – but 74% Democrats are united now – per Rasmussen reports today.
#493c4hill-Please, we won’t tell you to vote McCain. Just defending him.Likewise, this is an anti-BO site and we WILL tell the truth about him: was registered in the school in Indonesia by his father and listed on the school records as a Muslim. He travelled to Pakistan during college when Americans were not allowed entry into that country…on and on no more room no more time.. but please don’t keep shoving him down our throats!
I was going to stay away for a couple days but decided to come back and see what was going on. Lot’s of trolls is whats going on. Maybe reading our mission statement would be worthwhile for some. They may realize they are on the wrong site. Off to get some much needed housework done. Can’t wait for new prowl.
#524 wontbackdown
Cannot believe this – who’s wife’s where was kissed?
lol
I saw that Susy1945
He was lost for words.
Now McCain can cramp his style with his vp pick. I see a tease there today an dtomorrow he will announce I think. What time in Ohio is his rally planned anyone know?
I cannt sit still today I worry countries might get yancy with him in now. Hope they can keep patient till we get him out in Nov.
The attempt to stop the American Voices – again!!
http://www.americanissuesproject.org/american-issue-project-news/american-issues-project-calls-obama-campaign-efforts-to-prosecute-political-opponents-bullying-and.html
Good morning PUMA’s…I am so relieved to see that I am not the only one who is totally disgusted and sad about last night and the Clintons. I was afraid since they were drinking the koolaid that I would come and check this blog and the PUMA’s would be singing “The One’s” praises. Thank goodness that has not happened. I am not alone.
sorry slyt2
WOW! Can’t we all just get along?
Hell NO, the DNC caused this division between loyal Democrats. The Republicans have screwed over the people and put this country in the shape it’s in now.
So, where does that leave each of us? We all have specific reasons why we feel the way we do and to argue about our own convictions with anyone is a waste of time and energy. No one can change my mind but me so I will look for others who feel the way I do. For anyone who doesn’t connect with the beliefs of PUMAS find a place of comfort for yourself just like the PUMAS have done. We don’t have the time to convince you of anything nor do I really care what you think.
Our goal is to change the corruption and division in the Democratic Party which means if you don’t think you can be a part of our mission, simply put, get out!
I was watching Morning Joe and they’ve had lots of AA’s on this morning. One guy said the Clintons were put in the stands where they belong now. Here in lies Obama’s problem trying to get the votes of people like us. He is supposed to be the Presidential candidate for all Democrats, not just AA’s.
#499 Caracal Carrie
Thank you!
How I vote is my decision. The fact that I am here is proof I will not vote for Obama. That’s all anyone needs to know. You do what you want with your vote.
The convention was an atrocity. The democratic party is a disaster. Even defeating Obama will not correct this. I want to get on with trying to rescue our democracy. I think we as PUMAs can do this working together.
c4hill Please explain to me how talking about ones pow experence cheapens anything for anyone. I for one am proud to sit any listen anytime!
I wondered where they got the 75% from no one called me lol. We will be the ones they didnt expect again. I like the idea dems for mccain can be there and not have to change to Repubs. Citizensformccain.com is a spot for us .I am glad he recoganises we will some anyway will stay dems. but are for him at this time.I may change to independant but thinking maybe a dem spot necessary for primarys etc.have to think about that
anyone else go on bill clintons site today? It redirects you right to John McCain. Strange
Obama/Biden ticket reminded me of Bush/Chaney ticket 8 years ago. America elected a guy who was very likeable but inexperience and Chaney was the babysitter. Look at what happened!
Now, the DP has a junior senator as the nominee who will be babysat by a 30+ years senator. Do we want a repeat of the last 8 years??
The DP has shown how corrupt it is during the primaries. The plan was already in the make four years ago when BO was the keynote speaker. What is today? The anniversary of Dr. Martin Luther King’s “I have a dream” speech. What would make a strong history statement than to nominate an African-American to be POTUS on this anniversary? I am sad to see democracy in this country disappear when a person gets to be the nominee through cheats, frauds and intimidation and unless we pull ourselves together and defeat this ticket and bring democracy back to our country, may God bless us all. When will the politicians think less about their standing in the party and the party itself and think and fight for our future and welfares? All the speeches I heard were just words and rhetorics.
If we are still strong in numbers (which I’m sure some have defected and join in the “Unity” party), then we must defeat BO/JB this November to right a wrong that has been done throughout the primaries.
Mama, Murphy and other PUMAs who were in Denver, thank you all for what you have done getting our message across. But, I don’t think that the media really understand why we are against BO. We can’t give up what we started. True leaders never quit!
#499 Caracal – unfortunately jbjd is not blogging here any more but she had a course of action to still continue to thwart BO’s goals of becoming the POTUS – it had something to do with all of us writing a letter to our States preventing his campaign to placing his name on the ballot there – obviously if we just got enough people from the swing states alone – that would finish his qwest for power – big big problem as I saw it originally a time frame – 24 hours from today to do it ….. anyone know how to go about that – I think yesterday – Jody – Ladyhawkke – Lisa – someone was going to ask for a prowl – but seems that has been requested in the past to no avail – it only takes one letter to the right person for it to work -
#539 c4hill did you have a chance to check out any other websites? Maybe you should because I don’t think anyone deserves to get this much slack just for showing concerns and come back in a bit. Just a thought.
McCain just came out with a new ad but I missed it, did anyone see it on fox, was it good?
Also c4hill said like 5 times she/he is NOT supporting BO people like others have said LET’S ALL GET ALONG.
I have always voted Democrat. In previous elections, my pick may not have become the nominee, but it never occured to me to not support and vote for the Democratic candidate. This is unprecedented!! Something is terribly wrong with OB that I would seriously consider voting for JM.
Okay PUMAS – I couldn’t stand to listen to Shrub or watch him on TV for the last eight years – there is no way I can watch precious or listen to him either – I don’t need to be preached to – talk to me yes – no preaching – that said
I don’t want to start a new party – I want my Democratic Party back……………………………………….
What’s our prowl? I offered a suggestion up above but don’t see any response – just alot of talk – take some action people ………………………………………..
Precious will not win this election – this whole process was started long ago – just one other interesting statistic – in case you care or don’t care – AA’s are only 12% of the population but were 25% of the delegates to the DNC – explain that one please – thought everything was supposed to be based on gender, equality, etc. – more bullsh*t from the DNC………………..
I feel like the Red Queen from Alice in Wonderland – off with their heads…………………………………..
there are primarys ahead in Sept.16th is for Mass Kerry needs to be dumped. Oreilly might do that I sent a donation and words of backing .Lets start there. If we can get Kerry and pelosie out at primary they will start to get the pic. thoughts?
549.
I will get out…not really sure what the “mission” is now anyway.
no one is convincing me to vote for someone who voted against MLK day-against college for the troops-and for war.
good luck spreading the propaganda–lucky for you–most of the American public will gobble it up–that is what happens when you don’t invest in education as a society.
#513 c4hill on 08.28.08 at 10:05 am
You have every right to criticize someone based on their voting record but these comments, “war is glory for McCain-as long as there is a war-he is happy–he has nothing else to offer” aren’t based on facts. These kinds of comments are just the some ole left wing rhetoric that the Daily Kos crowd keeps spewing out. I may disagree with your candidate on the issues but I have NEVER slandered their character with far right rhetoric.
Look, I have always respected the Clintons, even though I may disagree with them on the issues … but I have NEVER slandered their character with far right wing rhetoric. All I’m saying is for you to do the same. Disagree on issues, but don’t stoop down to mud-slinging with comments like “as long as there is war-he is happy.” I think we, both democrats and republicans, need to rise above this kind of crap. This is why our country is being torn apart … too many people spewing out hateful comments. Isn’t this what the BO crowd did to the Clinton crowd? Just saying.
Ok, enough about this from me.
Btw, goodmorning PUMA friends!! Please continue to keep the gulf coast people in your prayers. I’m in LA and Gov. Jindal has called for a state of emergency already. Anxiety is high around these parts. I’m NOT looking forward to another Katrina. Tomorrow marks the third anniversary of Katrina.
So please, please pray for LA and the other surrounding states. Thanks.
by hill good luck
I agree Susie lets get started doing something. I too suggested lets get local people speaking out now before other side gets them. Let them know they are not alone also lets find primary day and those that supported and those not so we can start cleaning our house.
569
AA’s have traditionally made up 15% of the Dem party-even though only 10% of the population. It has been this way since they got the right to vote in the 60’s.
Good morning, PUMAs. I have not caught up yet on the blog because this is my first internet surf since yesterday at 5:00.
c4hill, I am surprised at your post at 571. Our mission at PUMA pac is NOT to vote for McCain, who by the way voted against MLK day in the 90s and has since expressed regret. I will not vote for McCain, so don’t misunderstand me, but this blog is about making sure the
VOICE OF THE VOTERS is heard and to address the corruption in the party that was supposed to be for the people who need a voice the most.
I know that NH is a key state – sad to see that all her delegates abandoned her. I live in VT, but VT is a lost cause anyway, since Howie Dean ruined it when he was governor…I live right across the river from NH and am willing to do whatever I can to turn the tide in NH for McCain and against BO. Any other NH people out there?
testing
Why Don’t We come up with some good ideas for Murphy and let her look at them and see if any are in the direction PUMA PAC wishes to go.
Is there anyone that would like to collect uniformly the educated issues that we could give to her?
Heard on FOX about what Biden mentioned BO’s first job, a commentator said, BO did not deliver any results in 3 years.
#526 jane-pa
I can not believe that some Pumas are wavering on McCain…get down and dirty WOMEN..FIRE WITH FIRE WOMEN….WE ARE NOT VICTIMS WOMEN!!!
Let’s show some grit and use our votes as the grand weapons they are, let no one deter us from our fight for a better America.
I always hate a sports reference, BUT! Why the hell would you take a loser with NO batting average from the minors and put in the line up of the MAJORS with no ball and no glove nor bat!! WHY?? THAT IS BO!
I have admired and loved this great group of Pumas, I have posted some but mostly love to read and be inspired by Jane and many others, please you have lit my fire do not sputter out now!
I live very near Murphy and I am proud of my Massachusetts PUMAS!!
#513 Mick
We are praying for you and hope the storms will not be coming your way or Texas! Be careful & be safe!
#543 SparkForHill:
That was Biden’s wife that he kissed like that last night.
Cannot believe he did that – how disrespectful of her and Biden! Also, he doesn’t even kiss his own wife like that in public!
After you go to this link and watch how he kisses Biden’s wife on the lips last night, then click on the first video from the links on the right and see how he kisses Michelle – big difference. (What was he thinking?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec-X0omNgcY
Why did BO write an autobiography before he really began his political career? That was ten years ago. Who has really been behind the curtain all these years. It makes you wonder.
#571 c4hill -”I will get out…”
Good to hear you’re moving on.
Proud PUMA Democrat from northeastern PA
Does anybody have a link of the final roll call results
Pumas I’ve been thinking. Maybe theres nothing to the fact that bills website goes directly to mccains. But think about this. McCain is the only one who defended hillary in the primaries. Do you REALLY think they were just frustrated slipups, that hillary brought up all this dirt on Obama? Even went as far as to say, McCain has a lifetime of experience as well as she, but Obama has a speech? Neither Hillary or Bill directly attacked mccain. Now McCain is using her words in tv adds? She never mentioned those adds or denounced them in her speech. Could it be possible, mccain is considering hillary as VP? And Hillary is going to tell the party whee to go? I know its a long shot. But there are alot of coincendences.
571 You points sound like talking points of the DNC/ONC which is why people here are suspicious of you. But I respect your right to vote for anyone you want. Both parties cater to Corporate America, both McCain and BO have lobbyists in their advisory structure. McCain is going with public funding which is a bill he introduced to reform politics. Bo is taking as much money as he can get and much of it comes from Corporations. Sorry but there are no good guys in politics, you pick the least corrupt.
Did you see how the BOites are going with the ageism attacks on McCain already? Sort of reminds me of the sexist attacks on Hillary. “oh well I guess McCain can’t remember” how many houses he has. Clearly they think this is very clever. Well McCain married a very wealth woman, they do not mix their money together or pay taxes together and I am sure it is Cindy who owns most of the property. McCain is good with that because he is not a controlling sexist. Funny the Dems had no problem with Kerry marrying a very wealthy woman. I wonder how many houses he owns?
When I think of BO, I think of arrogance and inexperience. Forgive me if I am wrong, but we have had that already and his name was George W Bush. And just look how that turned out. When you put someone in office who is too cocky to listen to the people, you have horrible results.
AS far as I am concerned, it will be BO who would be a thrid Bush term, which is why no matter what I will not vote for him.
#3 leelasavage on 08.27.08 at 11:17 pm
In the words of Bill Clinton: “Suppose you’re a voter, and you’ve got candidate X and candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don’t think that candidate can deliver on anything at all. Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but he can deliver. Which candidate are you going to vote for?”
Gotta love Bill!
Like Murphy said, I’m ready here in the swing state of PA to start “Reaching out to those voters through phone calls and mailings to let them know they can still be GOOD DEMOCRATS and not vote for Obama.”
Just waiting for a PUMA script so I can get started. Today IS a new day and we have work to do PUMAs!
I just heard that McCain is putting out a new ad during the time Obie gives his speech tonight. They said John is talking directly to obie and ad will get a lot of attention! I keep praying for something BIG, but I don’t think this is it……
I think the roll call results was nothing but a performance! Did you notice Calif passed with 400+delagates….HRC probably got the majority. I’m sure Pelosi, Dean and Obie staff had lots to do with the scripting of this vote!!
#582 wontbackdown
Thank you, very well said.
Also heard CNN last night – on McCain’s VP list – Ebay’s CEO a successful woman!! If so it really will do it. Kind of disgusted of how ONC politics was played last night.
Clintons had at least brought positive results to the PEOPLE 8 years.
http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/how-many-at-invesco-field-will-be-there-because-theyve-been-coerced-heres-a-true-example/
How many at INVESCO field will be there because they have been coerced
http://community.comcast.net/comcastportal/blog/article?message.uid=2330903
Just Biden Time
Instead, Biden’s speech was a meandering mess. The most important politician from Delaware since Caesar Rodney never hit his stride. He sounded like he couldn’t find his voice as he struggled to prove how he, like his running mate, is an outsider. It’s a difficult case to make for a six-term senator. In fact, it’s a little preposterous.
New Mccain Ad
http://blip.tv/file/1209861
Remote Control
http://www.newsmax.com/politics/cvn_biden_his_words/2008/08/27/125658.html
Biden Hasn’t Always Had Kind Words for Runningmate
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73577
Joe Biden: Hair we can believe in
According to Vice Plagiarist Biden’s own autobiography,
#584 emme
DITTO
#586 fedup144 I believe it’s McCains camp there was something on Fox news just a bit ago saying they(mccain’s camp) are buying up similar names I heard fox news say something about Joe Biden too , it takes you to McCain.
And on another note..the other morning Fox had reps from both sides discussing tax impacts. They asked both reps to define middle class.
The BO rep said middle class was $150,000 a year income to $250,000 income.
The McCain rep said the national income average was $50,000 and so middle class would be anything from the high 50’s to $150,000.
I much prefer the McCain answer because according to BO I’m just po gutter trash. Last time a checked $250,000 was well to do and yet BO claims that McCain is out of touch with real people who aren’t rich. what an idiot!
Good morning Pumas! I hope all are well, and rested. After last night’s roll call fraud, which was just the icing on the cake for most of us, we will need all our strength and courage to push forward. We need to make sure that we clean out the DNC, we need to educate the masses who are just waking up to this election about the fraud, and we need to make sure that BO never steps foot in our White House.
To that end, please support the Denver Group today if you can financially. They’ve got ads already prepared to get the message out about the fraud perpetrated on the voters by the DNC this year. http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/
#455 storytellers
I agree. I think Attorney jbjd developed the best prowl this blog has offered.
Re: Berg. It will probably be a few weeks before we hear more about it–at least that is what I read when I Googled.
http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-philip-j-berg-esq-files-federal-lawsuit-requesting-obama-be-removed-as-a-candidate-as-he-does-not-meet-the-qualifications-for-president
#587 Seattlegirl – I think BHO’s selection of Biden as his VP choice lets the air out of their “McCain’s too old to be POTUS” argument…
#588 queen81 – I agree, electing BHO in November would ensure a 3rd Bush term (shudder!)
I’m ready to start PUMA prowling again…
#595 queen81 on 08.28.08 at 10:44 am
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$150K is middle class!? Good golly, these people are out of touch with the common man and woman.
c4hill
your type of propaganda does not belong here.
Do not think Biden can bring much Votes to BO. He won 1% in Iowa?
I have to go
but before
i want to say
that in all party´s offices HQ, etc
is completely forbiden to talk against obimbo
workers, politicians, and regular people
#470
jane-pa on 08.28.08 at 10:27 am
there are primarys ahead in Sept.16th is for Mass Kerry needs to be dumped. Oreilly might do that I sent a donation and words of backing .Lets start there. If we can get Kerry and pelosie out at primary they will start to get the pic. thoughts?
^^^^^^^^^^
jane,
I have O’reilly signs in front of my home! It will be very difficult to get Kerry but I am going to do my best.
It is time to get these do nothing guys out of our face!
I asked for signs and bingo O’Reilly brothers came and put them up! ED emailed to thank me.
I bet bo rep lives in a region that has a very I cost of living. In the SF Bay Area 150,000 would be middle class.
Nobama Dem
no kidding, I wanna ask BO when he is going to raise the income level for aid and food stamps etc, because at my income level I’m apparently impoverished according to him!
Stock transaction gain tax will increase significantly under BO.
600-propaganda??? Telling the truth about McCain is propoganda–is that what Bill and Hillary were spreading the last 2 nights?
–I thought this site was all about propaganda??
Hello – Maybe third try will be a charm – can’s seem to post today – again.
It seems like Karl Rove will be meeting his match!
Now NC will be joning IL – who will be next? Register and vote the same day.
It scares the beegeesus out of me
KEEP THE FAITH – if you can!
greta
Obama got one thing right when selecting Biden… he didn’t want a VP that was smarter, or one that could upstage him, no chance of that with Biden.
#433 Thank you for reposting Elaine’s link. I just read that article; it was a great way to connect this morning with the inspiring voice of Hillary Clinton.
#511 HP Boston
You are absolutely right. Lou Dobbs may be the only media personality to come out of this primary with his credibility still intact.
I am not only disgusted with the corruption in the dem party, but also with its stupidity. They walked into this booby trap with “eyes wide shut”. Obama’s candidacy will jeopardize down-ticket dems as well.
The Clintons had to be circumspect in their treatment of Obama whereas the Republicans aren’t confined by that. Obama is fit only to be “president of Hollywood” and the repubs are going to jam that message into every one of mccain’s living rooms and all of ours in the coming months.
Rasmussen says there is a fairly decent bounce building for BO and should be evident by the wkend.
#50 Taffy,
Actually the quote goes.. “No man is worth your tears and the one who is will never make you cry.” I heard it along time ago .. Where? I couldn’t tell you and I have kept it at the back of my mind every since.
Morning All,
It is so wonderful to see so many new faces here — WELCOME!
I have a new post up about what we are now doing and why.
I address the question of how much campaigning for or against any candidate is appropriate on our forum upstairs. The short answer is: NOT MUCH.
There are 2 major candidates in the race now and we support neither of them.
PUMA PAC IS PROTESTING THE ELECTION. WE ARE NOT VOTING FOR OUR PARTY’S CANDIDATE. SOME OF US WILL STAY HOME, SOME WILL VOTE THIRD PARTY, SOME WILL WRITE-IN HILLARY, AND SOME WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN.
These forums are not the place to bash or promote any candidate. However, the next few days we will be struggling with our consciences and our opinions — that is necessary and good.
However, we must be gentle and good to each other in the process.
Our plans are good — our goals are good — and our purpose is good.
We are the good guys — dont forget it.
Take it upstairs!
Fox news turn it on they are going to have BO’s flip flops or something like that turn it on.
c4hill,
We hear you – you don’t want to vote McCain. Okay. No one here will ask you to do that. Please don’t try to pick a fight. Let’s remember that we’ve all had a terrible let down, even though many of us expected it, because the Party insiders stabbed HRC in the back and propped up their O puppet.
I did find a site that posted the roll call counts but stopped at NY, did not include Ca or IL or NM since they passed.
Did the lady announcing the results say they would publish all the counts even though they stopped announcing the results?
I would like to see how many delegate hillary really got.
what is posted is 1963 were announced and BHO got 1549.5 and hillary got 341.5 and 72 did not vote. I don’t know how you get 1/2 vote! Why 72 did not vote.
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/D.phtml#roll
PLEASE READ AND THINK
There is a lot of emotion going on here. I think that is to be expected. But I am going to put in my 2 cents worth and hope that some of you listen and I truly hope, listen hard and think. There should not be bashing of someone because of them expressing reservations about voting for Sen. McCain, etc. I think we should realize that there are republicans who have helped to make sure that Nobama was the DNC candidate as well as Nobama’s people and the MSM, etc.
But to attack someone on this site because they express doubts about voting for McCain or CLEARLY STATE THEY CANNOT VOTE FOR MCCAIN… THAT’S WRONG and against our own rules!!! If you read the article, you can see that Murphy is not sure what she’s going to do with her vote. I am not sure what I am going to do with mine.. other than I will not vote Nobama. c4hill clearly states she is not going to vote for Nobama. She should NEVER be accused of being a troll because of that. And who gave anyone commenting here the authority to invite another member of PUMA PAC to go somewhere else????
WTF is going on here???? Are some of you members now going to resort to some of the tactics of the DNC and suppress peoples’ voices because they don’t agree with your plan????
PLEASE THINK BEFORE YOU ATTACK… ATTACK THOSE WHO CONTRIBUTED TO THE FRAUD ON THE VOTERS, NOT MEMBERS OF PUMA PAC
I think there are SEVERAL COMMENTS that if you have a problem or concern you are to contact MURPHY OR MARYLAND PUMA OR MAMAPUMA.. DO NOT ATTACK ON THE BLOG
PLEASE DO NOT DRIVE PEOPLE AWAY!!!!
lotts1948 – you are right. Would you repost it upstairs on the next thread?
Pumas in Mass. Check out Ed O’Reilly who’s running against John Kerry for Senate.
http://www.edoreilly.com/
Other Pumas, we can and should support him as well in every way we can. This would be a start toward ‘cleaning out’ the Party ‘bosses’. Send a message to the out of touch elite’s that we’re not going to take it anymore!
I do have to say that if people choose to vote for Obama on this election, then Hillary may not have a chance come 2012. We need to make sure we keep BO out of the office and endure a replublican for 4 years. We can then start the strategics for HRC after this election year.
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Thank you so much!!
I appreciate the support.
I am just so sad -and mad-about Hill–I come here for support. I don’t want to leave-but will if I am not welcome.
thanks again. And thank you Murphy-I don’t know how I would have gotten the last few months without you-or some of the other great pumas here.
#567 Rodham in Flag
Our last blog PROWL was on 8-19-08.
All Hillary has been ranked #28 as one of the most powerful women in the world, on the Forbes list.
see below:
The 100 Most Powerful Women
Rank Name Occupation Country
1 Angela Merkel Chancellor Germany
2 Sheila C. Bair Chairman, Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. U.S.
3 Indra K. Nooyi Chairman, chief executive, PepsiCo U.S.
4 Angela Braly Chief executive, president, WellPoint U.S.
5 Cynthia Carroll Chief executive, Anglo American U.K.
6 Irene B. Rosenfeld Chairman, chief executive, Kraft Foods U.S.
7 Condoleezza Rice Secretary of state U.S.
8 Ho Ching Chief executive, Temasek Holdings Singapore
9 Anne Lauvergeon Chief executive, Areva France
10 Anne Mulcahy Chairman, chief executive, Xerox Corp. U.S.
11 Gail Kelly Chief executive and managing director, Westpac Bank Australia
12 Patricia A. Woertz Chairman, chief executive, president, Archer Daniels Midland U.S.
13 Cristina Fernandez President Argentina
14 Christine Lagarde Minister of economy, finance and employment France
15 Safra A. Catz President and chief financial officer, Oracle U.S.
16 Carol B. Tome Executive vice president and chief financial officer, Home Depot U.S.
17 Yulia Tymoshenko Prime minister Ukraine
18 Mary Sammons Chairman, chief executive, president, Rite Aid U.S.
19 Andrea Jung Chairman, chief executive, Avon U.S.
20 Marjorie Scardino Chief executive, Pearson PLC U.K.
21 Sonia Gandhi President, Indian National Congress Party India
22 Risa Lavizzo-Mourey Chief Executive and President, The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation U.S.
23 Sri Mulyani Indrawati Coordinating minister for economic affairs and finance minister Indonesia
24 Dr. Julie Gerberding Director, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention U.S.
25 Michelle Bachelet President Chile
26 Ellen Alemany Chief executive, Royal Bank of Scotland Americas U.S.
27 Carol Meyrowitz Chief executive, president, The TJX Cos. U.S.
28 Hillary Rodham Clinton U.S. senator, New York U.S.
29 Hynd Bouhia Director General, Casablanca Stock Exchange Morocco
30 Anne Sweeney President, Disney-ABC Television Group U.S.
31 Valentina Matviyenko Governor, St. Petersburg region Russia
32 Nancy Tellem President, CBS Paramount Television Entertainment Group U.S.
33 Ann Livermore Executive vice president, Hewlett-Packard U.S.
34 Marina Berlusconi Chairman, Finivest Group and Mondadori Group Italy
35 Nancy Pelosi Speaker, House of Representatives U.S.
36 Oprah Winfrey Chairman, Harpo U.S.
37 Gulzhan Moldazhanova Chief Executive, Basic Element Russia
38 Aung San Suu Kyi Deposed prime minister; Nobel peace laureate Myanmar
39 Lynn Laverty Elsenhans Chief executive and president, Sunoco U.S.
40 Melinda Gates Co-founder, co-chairman, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation U.S.
41 Gloria Arroyo President Philippines
42 Jane Mendillo President and chief executive, Harvard Management Co. U.S.
43 Linda Z. Cook Executive director, gas and power, Royal Dutch Shell Netherlands
44 Laura Bush First lady U.S.
45 Brenda Barnes Chief executive, Sara Lee U.S.
46 Christine Poon Vice chairman, Johnson & Johnson U.S.
47 Neelie Kroes Competition commissioner, European Union Netherlands
48 Amy Woods Brinkley Global risk executive, Bank of America U.S.
49 Susan E. Arnold President, global business units, Procter & Gamble U.S.
50 Susan Decker President, Yahoo! U.S
51 Ana Patricia Botin Chairman, Banesto Spain
52 Tzipora Livni Vice prime minister and minister of foreign affairs Israel
53 Dominique Senequier Chief executive officer, AXA Private Equity France
54 Amy Pascal Co-chairman, Sony Pictures Entertainment U.S.
55 Ursula Burns President, Xerox U.S.
56 Helen Clark Prime minister New Zealand
57 Laura Desmond Chief executive officer, Starcom MediaVest Group Worldwide U.S.
58 Queen Elizabeth II Queen U.K.
59 Mayawati Kumari Chief minister, Uttar Pradesh India
60 Judy McGrath Chairman and chief executive officer, MTV Networks U.S.
61 Meredith Vieira Co-anchor, Today show, NBC News U.S.
62 Katie Couric Anchor, CBS Evening News, CBS News U.S.
63 Barbara Walters Correspondent, ABC News U.S.
64 Sallie Krawcheck Chairman and chief executive, Global Wealth Management, Citigroup U.S.
65 Diane Sawyer Anchor, Good Morning America, ABC News U.S.
66 Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf President Liberia
67 Janice Fields Chief operating officer and executive vice president, McDonald’s U.S.
68 Zhang Xin Chief executive officer, co-founder, Soho China
69 Zaha Hadid Founder, Zaha Hadid Architects U.K.
70 Yang Mian Mian President, Haier China
71 Tarja Halonen President Finland
72 Ruth Bader Ginsburg Justice, Supreme Court U.S.
73 Hyun Jeong-Eun Chairman, Hyundai Group South Korea
74 Mary McAleese President Ireland
75 Guler Sabanci Chairman, Sabanci Holding Turkey
76 Drew Gilpin Faust President, Harvard University U.S.
77 Lisa M. Weber President, Individual Business, MetLife U.S.
78 Dora Bakoyannis Foreign minister Greece
79 Beth Brooke Global vice chairman, Ernst & Young U.S.
80 Lee Myung-Hee Chairman, Shinsegae Group South Korea
81 Susan M. Ivey Chief executive, Reynolds American U.S.
82 Nancy McKinstry CEO, Wolters Kluwer Netherlands
83 Janet L. Robinson President and chief executive, The New York Times Co. U.S.
84 Margaret Chan Director-general, World Health Organization Switzerland
85 Clara Furse Chief executive, London Stock Exchange U.K.
86 Ellen J. Kullman Executive vice president, DuPont U.S.
87 Susan Desmond-Hellmann President, product development, Genentech U.S.
88 Eva Cheng Chief executive, Greater China and Southeast Asia, Amway China
89 Maha Al-Ghunaim Chairman, managing director, Global Investment House Kuwait
90 Christina Gold Chief executive, Western Union U.S.
91 Christiane Amanpour Chief international correspondent, CNN U.S.
92 Pamela Nicholson President, Enterprise Rent-a-Car U.S.
93 Ann Moore Chairman, chief executive, Time Inc. U.S.
94 Sharon Allen Chair, Deloitte U.S.
95 Jing Ulrich Chairman and managing director, JPMorgan Chase China Equities China
96 Queen Rania Al-Abdullah Queen Jordan
97 Virginia Rometty Senior vice president, IBM Global Business Services U.S.
98 Georgina Rinehart Owner, chairman, Hancock Prospecting Australia
99 Kiran Mazumdar-Shaw Chairman and managing director, Biocon India
100 Paula Rosput Reynolds Chief Executive, Safeco U.S.
#617 vadaryl on 08.28.08 at 10:58 am
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I believe that the Dems Abroad and possibly one of the territories only get 1/2 vote.
583 hillary2008 – BO wrote an autobiography of his life before he did anything (to write about…) in order to get himself known so he could then run for president without having to pay any dues…you know, the dues that Hillary and McCain have paid for 30 some odd years…
1gypsy4mc
Not sure if anyone gave this information to you..
http://www.nativeamericansagainstobama.com/
Youtube site..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek1_v-rzSJY
Good Morning all,
I have a couple of ideas that may help.
Someone mentioned hiring lawyers to watch the polls. You can do it yourself in the Republican party at least in FL. If you choose to support McCain, you can sign up to be a poll watcher. They do not ask to see your registration card to my knowledge. You take a 3 hour class, get some study materials showing you what to look for and get assigned a precinct and a shift. Later you get a poll watcher id necklace and the precinct manager is required to let you see the sign in process. Again this is for FL…ask the supervisor of elections in your area for details.
Unrelated. Is there someone in the PUMA family who is a budding journalist? As usual, I see no mention of the debacle we all witnessed in the MSM. But more of a suprise is that it is underreported on the net.
Could someone write a clear concise article giving a play by play of exactly what events led to the suspension of the roll call vote? Maybe include names and emails of the elected cast of characters who allowed this to happen? I see some posters have access to delegates. So maybe some quotes from them could be obtained. The article could be distributed to the MSM (where it will never by reported) and submitted to every blog, forum, etc that we can think of.
Prayers for PUMAS on the Gulf Coast. I feel for you as a veteran of a cat2 and cat1. Gustav is beyond my experience. Be safe, make sure you have scads of batteries and a good radio.
#607 c4hill – We thought you moved on.
In my opinion, Hillary slammed the door on the American people. When she was campaigning she was fighting for what she and everyone else believed in. When the fight got harder she got weaker and threw in the towel. She allowed A TWISTED CORRUPTED MAN to have his way. He lied, cheated, threatened, stole votes, bought votes, etc to get to where he is and Hillary would have won AGAIN last night but they would not let every vote count in order for him to have the nomination. I think if I were her I would have left the party and became an independent. She would have won regardless and there wouldn’t have been anything the DNC could do. Just because you are an independent does not mean you can’t still have the same beliefs. Would Susan B. Anthony bow down when the going got tough? If she would have we would not be where we are today. This all boils down to being a woman. If the DNC fought it now and won they will do it again in 2012 NO MATTER what we try to do. IF we DO NOT fight this NOW NO woman will ever have a chance to be president. This is A BIG step in history but it can be done. Giving in will not get this done. In order for the protest to stick everyone who SUPPORTS Clinton and still does needs to vote for MCCAIN. This is not a bad thing. MCCAIN and Clinton are very good friends and them 2 working together Clinton will be able to achieve her dreams without OBAMA trying to take it away from her as well as MCCAIN’s. If you have OBAMA as president of course he will HAVE TO HAVE FULL CREDIT of everything so Hillary’s ideas will never be credited to her. That is the type of man he is. He is going to take our country down if we let him we have to KEEP fighting or we will pay dearly. I know our forefather’s tried to keep this from happening and we need to get rid of corruption within. I know the Clintons speeches were CRAP! It is obvious. They both need to kick the DNC to the curb, but as we have witnessed they won’t BUT we must PREVAIL. IT IS UP TO US EVERYONE MAN, WOMAN, OLD, YOUNG, AFRICAN AMERICAN, WHITE, HISPANIC, ASIAN, INDIAN, ETC WHO CARES ABOUT THIS COUNTRY, OUR CHILDREN, AND GRANDCHILDREN’S FUTURE WHEN WE ARE GONE BETTER STAND UP AND FIGHT NOW AND NOT GIVE INTO THE CORRUPTION AGAINST THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND THE PEOPLE!!! WE OWN THE GOVERNMENT THEY DO NOT OWN US!!!! IT’S TIME TO TAKE OUT THE TRASH.. EVERYONE BIT OF IT…WE DON’T NEED OBAMA’S SO CALLED HELP TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.. IT’S OUR COUNTRY WE CAN HANDLE IT!!!!
Here is a link to the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION print it off and hang it on the wall read it, study it, learn it, live it.
WE THE PEOPLE WILL FIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY!!!!!!!!
http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/constitution/index.htm
Just skimming through posts this morning –
re: the redirect of site williamclinton dot com –
WhoIs lookup says this site is registed by/to “Web of Deception” in Quantico, VA.
I wouldn’t be inclined to think putting any meaning into the redirect is smart.
Take care.
GM all, a lovely hot morning here in the Gulf Coast, so much to be thankful for, to the PUMAS that went to Denver, thank you for your energy, optimism, stamina and strength.
Hillary/Bill, you gave great speeches and now we must do as Hillary said, “keep going”. I also found that Bill gave John McCain some great nods and blamed the devastation today on the Repub party not the person, John Mcain. He stated that he is a good man, a soldier who bled for his country and gave some other accolades, that was good enough for me.
My vote for Senator M is not out of protest it is based upon who I feel can run this country with integrity, honesty, genuine caring for us and I do not get that kick from Senator O.
I also believe that Senator O has not set a precedence that he will run this nation by example instead he will run it by power,just my opinion, annd this has been displayed in all of his and the DNC’s examples. Senator O is not BC as stated earlier, BC was special but also had governed a state that experience to me makes the difference.
BC also said that for those whose philosophy is different that is okay, his support and those at the convention is because they are hard core democrats. We all were and still are hard core democrats some of us may have moved over to independents but in our hearts we are democrats, our philosophy is based on the corrupt ways of the democratic party and that is the fuel we are running on. All we can bank on are our rights our freedom, let’s fight to keep those.
Have a good day all back to work for me.
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Oh Emme–stop being such a bully ..read post
# 618
81 denverpuma~~~Excellent post, great ideas. I especially was attracted to the idea of one party that is actually a coalition of smaller parties, much like we have been this season, ie, PUMA, JSND, Riverdaughter, NQ, etc.
630 TEXS4HILLARY~~~Awesomely stated……should be a BattleCry.
Someone posted the code to unsub from the DNC. Can I get it again. I didn’t realize they make it impossible to do so by not giving you the code.
Thanks.
Well I found the 2150 code and it won’t work. Help.
How do you get loose from the DNC?
#571 c4hill
Everyone has a right to their own vote. But before you discuss things about any candidate, please do your research.
John McCain
MLK… he has stated many, many times that it was a huge mistake… for several years now.
Veterans and education… my husband is a veteran and firmly believes that the longer you give to your country, the more benefits you should receive (not including disabled vets). This is not any different than if you, as a civilian, were working in the corporate world. John McCain feels the same.
A lot of us are upstairs – want to join us?
#630 – Hillary did not let us down. The corrupt process of which she is a prisoner is the problem. If she had not played ball, she would have had NO chance of running in 2012 or any other time. This is especially true because she is a woman. Women are not allowed to misbehave, much less succeed, in the Back Room Deal Party. There were a lot of good girls speaking at the convention, did you notice?
Video: Rasmussen: No Way Clinton Should Have Lost Nomination
http://video.newsmax.com/?assetId=V2937966&s=al&promo_code=68A4-1
All HRC did not let her voters down. She was pressured and cornered. If she did not help the DNC then they would make sure Clinton legacy would go down and HRC would not have another chance. This was a corrupted election from the DNC. We need a new party that is for the people and of the people.
DAILY POLLING RESULTS
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
81 denverpuma – I understand what you are saying, but I still have to say that no matter how lofty the ideal or agenda, if a person is willing to use any and all means, esp. corrupt or fraudulent means, to achieve the implementation of those (lofty) ideals, that person is dangerous.
When a person believes that the end justifies the means we get people like Osama bin Laden and Hitler in the extreme and to a more milder degree, we get people like Nixon who brought us Watergate…JMHO
Good morning from the Denver PUMA PAC “Hippie House”.
It’s been great meeting our PUMA sisters and brothers from all over the country and sharing the space that is PUMA headquarters with them. I am also fortunate to have the opportunity to spend lots of time with MamaPuma and MarylandPuma. I wouldn’t mind at all having their levels of energy, stamina, and grace under pressure. We laughed a lot. Then there is Murphy. She is simply amazing.
TruthIsGold, LadyBoomerNYC, AnnaBelle, Pagan, LynneC of FindingKinky.blogspot.com, Piper, and Riverdaughter, to name a few, were among our bloggers, and were a constant productive presence at headquarters. Will Bower and Diane stopped by on occasion, and added to the overall ambiance.
I’m also fortunate to be sharing a house with Murphy’s “The Audacity of Democracy” film crew (Brad, Lori, and Steve), and blogger, Lady Boomer NYC.
Each of them bright, articulate, interesting, and insightful. I love learning, so it’e been a real joy being a student of these accomplished individuals. Oh, did I mention that we were all hippies in the 60’s? That’s been an ongoing theme in our grist for the mill conversations.
I haven’t fully absorbed or processed the events of this week in Denver. Neither have I fully ‘grokked’ all that PUMA PAC has accomplished in the short amount of time of our existance.
This week in Denver had a couple of rough edges, but considering that Murphy, Mama, and MarylandPuma, are not professional event planners, (although, I think the rougher spots were in areas that wouldn’t even be a consideration for most event planners, in that people would be left to their own devices in certain areas).
PUMA PAC contributions, including coontributions from Riverdaughter’s The Confluence, foot the entire bill for our presence in Denver, from assisting PUMAs in getting to Denver, to the rental of PUMA Headquarters, lodging for the leaders (jsnd, puma08, pumapac, etc.)transportation, supplies, fliers, stage equipment, wi-fi and cable equipment, food and more food, the costs of the premiere space, technologyy, large screen, gourmet food, costs of the film crew, airfares, lodging, the list just goes on and on…
We did this! PUMA PAC financed the entire shebang. We deserve to be pround of ourselves… and consider ourselves the generous hosts of this week in Denver, whether or not we were at home or pysically in Denver!
Based on our prior accomplishments, PUMA PAC, Murphy, Mama, Maryland, and all of us PUMAs have my full confidence in accomplishing the goals to which we aspire.
Okay… off to find a cup of coffee now.
#297 007girl, anyone who has vision can tell what kind of person she is. She looked bulimic and ill, and her eyes looked like a witch as soon as Bill Clinton came out. She only smiled when Bill praised BO, even that smile was so wired. I just can’t stand her eyes. Most importantly, should we have a first lady with moral or to have a one with full of hate? The answer is very CLEAR!
HILLARY, WE ARE “KEEP GOING” UNTIL THE SUN SHINES AGAIN. THAT WON’T BE TOO LONG!
GO PUMA!
I’ve only commented once before, but I adore reading everyone’s thoughts and am feel like I can breath again. It is my oasis from ‘ the invasion of the body snatchers’ that my friends and family have become. The vehement anti McCainites much as I am anti Obama. I come from 6 generations of Democrats and to vote anything else is sacrilegious. Now, I am faced with sacrilege. I am sick of being called a racist/sexist/stupid…I wouldn’t care if Obama was purple/blue/green …whatever, I do however find him deeply deceptive and I think “HE” is the carbon copy of George Bush.
I work in immigration as an agent and I find this garbled, ambiguous no show of proper documentation troubling beyond belief. Some sites about the bogus birth certificate look really dubious and some raise real questions. The last blog I read claims now that Obama is refusing to release info as he was adopted by Sotero and that envelope is ’sealed’ …wow that sounds familiar …that alone would mean did he file paper work to change his name back? If not then he is guilty of fraud. In any event, if he is indeed not following immigration or even name change requirements, what would happen to Hillary votes if this is found out too late? Does Mc Cain win automatically? I am now leaning to voting for Mc Cain. I know at least he is an American without any conflict of interest. PS…along with his other lies, this woman(grandmother) is not his blood relative, but a woman married into his father’s ancestry. Again, ty to everyone.
Check this out.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/27/obamas-grandmother-in-al_n_93792.html
My slant continues to be that the primary was hateful, nasty, insulting, disrespectful and demeaning to both HRC and ALL her supporters.
The Intra-party vitriol is what disturbed me. The winning by strong-arm tactics, propaganda, threats and cheating.
I do not want that to be the way it goes for democratic primaries in the future. So I will not reward the DNC, Obama and his nasty supporters with giving them my vote.
That having been said… I do not often visit THIS site because I find it a bit on the counter-vitriolic side. I have mentioned that before. I am not into checking out birth certificates and that kind of thing. Nor into the cute disparaging names: The precious, *61, the Chosen one etc. I did not care for the same sort of thing from the Obama side during the primary.
Also… for me personally, now with Palin on the ticket… the GOP is no longer an option. I am no insulted by Palin as the VP pick- she is a great republican. I do not expect her to be HRC. The democrats had HRC. Palin is just not someone I agree with on any issue and therefore I can’t vote for her.
Holy Cannoli! The misogyny is unbelievable. Well, sisters and siblings, have we any doubt left as to who is the last “token” vote that gets pandered to? Indeed! The wake-up call is here. My vote is either completely discounted and thrown away by one party or solicited by another party that has not EVER had my best interests in mind. Lordy, lordy….I feel like a motherless child this election.
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