What We Want

 

What We Want

We have scores of temperance men,
Bold and earnest, brave and true,
Fighting with the tongue and pen,
And we value what they do.

 But, my friends,

To gain our ends,

You must use the ballot, too.

 

When we tell about our cause,

Politicians only smile;

While they mould and make our laws,

What care they for rank or file?

 

“Preach and pray,”

They sneer and say;

“We’ll make liquor laws the while.”

 

We want men who dare to fling

Party ties and bonds away;

Who will cast them off, and cling

To the right, and boldly say,

 

“No beer bloats

Shall get our votes.”

Then shall our cause gain the day.

 

~Ella Wheeler Wilcox

 

 We are the ones no one was expecting.

Tomorrow is a new day.  Be wonderful to each other.

 - Darragh Murphy, Founder, PUMA PAC

1,088 comments ↓

#1 StarDust on 08.21.08 at 10:18 pm

Hi Pumas!

#2 Elaine on 08.21.08 at 10:19 pm

Hi, everyone! Am I #1 for a brief moment in time?

#3 kids1627 on 08.21.08 at 10:20 pm

Love the poem can’t wait to hear from Denver I’ll be glad to hear who the vp is and what Hillary has to say.

#4 tennaseepuma on 08.21.08 at 10:20 pm

Hey im 3 4 5 ………?

#5 zephyr on 08.21.08 at 10:21 pm

Caracal Carrie…just watched your video…ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL…thanks.

#6 tennaseepuma on 08.21.08 at 10:21 pm

Hey my sis is 3…..

#7 StarDust on 08.21.08 at 10:21 pm

Yea!!!

I be number 1 Puma

Who keeps getting kicked out of blog (GRRRRR)

#8 Lorelai on 08.21.08 at 10:23 pm

Maryland Puma -did you do this opening? It’s unbelievable….thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#9 GOSUEF4HIL on 08.21.08 at 10:26 pm

Caracal Carrie- did you get my e-mail yesterday w/ the pictures?

#10 Caracal Carrie on 08.21.08 at 10:27 pm

Gos

I dont think I got it But I am practically redoing the video at this point LOL so send away!

#11 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 10:28 pm

MURPHY
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

#12 bruce55555 on 08.21.08 at 10:28 pm

1201 PaulHillary

Perchance you came on this site looking and asking to be attacked? This is the impression I get, in reading all your comments.
In 1201 you say all you’ll be doing is handing out Hillary items. Why, pray tell, you did not state this in the beginning, when you first made your appearance?
And, if you wanted to check our “pulse”, could you not just read our posts?
Is it your intention to represent yourself as more important than you actually are?
Your initial remarks here were about “unity”. Might this be your true agenda?

#13 SouthJerseyPUMA on 08.21.08 at 10:30 pm

1216~ ANTI~ I am in full agreement! no need~

#14 BillieJo on 08.21.08 at 10:30 pm

BillieJo on 08.21.08 at 10:29 pm

#1210 PaulHillary

Paul, I will be happy to talk to you by email if you prefer. I can not speak for everyone here, only myself and I am sad that if you are not doing anything to hurt Hillary’s chances of being the nominee at Denver that you have gotten a bad wrap. PUMAs have had their guts on the line for almost three months. Most of us have shared the bashing along with Hillary and we are working in a last minute frenzy to help Hillary in any way we can. We have had many Obama supports on the site that start out pretending to support Hillary and in time attack our PUMAs. If you ever venture over to the Obama blog as I did last night and put ‘puma’ in the search box, you will see they call us every name in the book along with bashing Hillary. We are protective of one another because we are tired of being hurt and tired of Hillary being hurt. And the big Dog too.
I will give you my email right on this blog if you want to email me.

#15 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 10:31 pm

#10 Caracal Carrie
Got what? the tiara?

#16 halligan on 08.21.08 at 10:31 pm

News article about Ads against O concerning Weather Underground:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080822/ap_on_el_pr/anti_obama_ad

#17 maxgrader on 08.21.08 at 10:32 pm

Hi Murphy.

BWAHAHAHAHA

NOT!!!!!

:-)

#18 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 10:32 pm

I had my nails clipped today, anyone else want theirs done? Puma discount!

#19 Middle age female on 08.21.08 at 10:33 pm

Caracal Carrie - did you get my e-mail and pic? When will you be doing the new video? I can hardly wait to see what else you are going to do.

#20 Caracal Carrie on 08.21.08 at 10:34 pm

LOL silly Gos not GO

hehe sorry Im taking shortcuts..I should use ful names

#21 Lorelai on 08.21.08 at 10:34 pm

goandersen - you totally mmlolwmcomn- (make me laugh out loud with milk coming out my nose) Hardly princess-like behavior! Stop it!
Also, I’m not liking that tiara so much- kind of looks like one Barney would wear, no?

#22 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 10:35 pm

#21 Lorelai

LMAO!

#23 pamawo on 08.21.08 at 10:35 pm

Can we get past PaulHillary, it’s a new thread.

#24 Caracal Carrie on 08.21.08 at 10:35 pm

Middle

I am working on it right now, but since the texting came out really bad on some of the pics on the first I am kinda of incorporating the two, so I am adding text right now instead of the overlays

#25 Vonay on 08.21.08 at 10:35 pm

#10 Caracal Carrie,

Carrie, if you’re not finished with the video, could you add my name?
If you are finished with it, no problem.

My pc won’t send files. Been messed up for several months now.

#26 Caracal Carrie on 08.21.08 at 10:36 pm

Oh forgot to say Yup I gots it!

#27 hillaryistheone on 08.21.08 at 10:36 pm

re-posted from downstairs

I think PaulHillary, if you don’t take anything away from this site….let it be that we will not vote for Obama…even if Hillary is on the ticket!!!

I do believe you are who you say you are….I have no problem with that. But, I do recall one of your first posts was downing us for not voting for Obama.

Good luck and I hope you don’t get run over in the convention by all the Hillary supporters.

Obama is a loser and Hillary will ruin any chance she has of going forward in politics if she takes the VP spot with Obama. We all will know that it is Party before Country if she does that. I love and respect Hillary…just hope she isn’t being bought out.

#28 BillieJo on 08.21.08 at 10:37 pm

#18 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 10:32 pm

I had my nails clipped today, anyone else want theirs done? Puma discount!
———————–
Go has her power clippers ready to take care of you.

I think every wound up PUMA should eat a big piece of chocolate and chill.

#29 halligan on 08.21.08 at 10:37 pm

goanderson

You’re so funny! Nail clipping, really! How about a combing of PUMA fur. You know how a cats fur stands up when they are angry. It may need combed back down if O walks by.

#30 Caracal Carrie on 08.21.08 at 10:37 pm

NP I will make sure to add names for both you and Lorelai’s princess self!

#31 Oneof18million cracks... on 08.21.08 at 10:38 pm

Its a new blog, a new attitude. Let’s get back to being focused. You can be suspicious but to continue this with PaulHIllary is driving people away from the focus and blog.

#32 Maryland PUMA on 08.21.08 at 10:38 pm

Murphy is still enroute to her destination.

I put up the new thread.

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#33 DancesWithPumas on 08.21.08 at 10:38 pm

2 Elaine
Hi, everyone! Am I #1 for a brief moment in time?———————————————————–
Elaine, you’ll always be number one with us ;)

#34 Maryland PUMA on 08.21.08 at 10:39 pm

HEY! HOW’D I DO THAT?

#35 PouncingPuma on 08.21.08 at 10:39 pm

test

#36 BillieJo on 08.21.08 at 10:39 pm

#28 kat in your hat

I don’t give a crap if I am suspicious
—————
And………..if Paul isn’t a bad guy what about not giving him the benefit of the doubt. Has he attacked you, or any other PUMA…No!

So please chill out.

#37 kids1627 on 08.21.08 at 10:40 pm

You know Obama has put me in a mood if he picks Hillary I’ll be mad and if he doesn’t pick Hillary I’ll be mad. I need some Easy Nights or Mellow days do the still make it any wine drinkers know?

#38 kat in your hat on 08.21.08 at 10:40 pm

@28: Oh, not mIchelle crying everyday (though maybe!), I meant Maggie.

#39 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 10:40 pm

#30 halligan

Bringing Puma Gel. We be Gellin!

#40 StarDust on 08.21.08 at 10:40 pm

# 33 Maryland PUMA

Very Good, Maryland

You’ve gone all yellow on us

#41 DancesWithPumas on 08.21.08 at 10:41 pm

wwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I didn’t add a message to my graphic for Senator Clinton. I haven’t packed yet for my departure to Denver at 2 AM tonght either… but any distraction will do. :oops:

#42 TexasTigress on 08.21.08 at 10:42 pm

Pumas , I have been watching this Paulhillary stuff go on - back and forth - with even some of our most active Pumas for days , and I have to ask my fellow Big Cats , ” Who really gives a rats a$$ who this person is or is not ? ” It certainly isn’t going to change any of our positions as far as our support of Hillary and our opposition to XO . It wouldn’t matter to me if he were Axlerod or Wolfson . If you don’t like what he says , ignore him . Besides , if he is just some crackpot 40 yr old man living in his mother’s basement ,dressed in a Captain Kirk uniform and speaking like Yoda , you don’t want to encourage him !!!! lol
My point is , your energy and wisdom is valuable to us , don’t waste it …. :) PEACE

#43 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 10:42 pm

#35 Maryland PUMA

LOL!

#44 Flowerchild2 on 08.21.08 at 10:42 pm

Who posted that Obama’s birth records are sealed? The only reason I know of birth records being sealed is a result of an adoption. The original birth certificate listing the parent(s) are sealed, and the adoption records show the adopted parents. What’s up with that?

#45 PaulHillary on 08.21.08 at 10:42 pm

Funny not maggie…Shellie is what I said and further she cries because she is under so much stress!

#46 Lorelai on 08.21.08 at 10:42 pm

Maryland Puma - you are very cool with the yellow and all and the opening thread - exquisite! Thanks…
(and thanks for the reminder about the rules)…..truly.
I love that you are the “keeper of the yellow”

#47 TrishfromCanada on 08.21.08 at 10:43 pm

#37 BillieJo

Paul has constantly requested that we support Hillary going as VP and vote in Bo

Mission: NoBama

#48 DancesWithPumas on 08.21.08 at 10:43 pm

35 Maryland PUMA
HEY! HOW’D I DO THAT?
—————————————-
It comes with the territory, doesn’t it?

#49 tennaseepuma on 08.21.08 at 10:43 pm

Hey all, Im trying this you tube thing and I was looking for that picture of ox when he did not say the pledge,does anyone know where I can find it?

#50 TexasTigress on 08.21.08 at 10:44 pm

geeze , if I didn’t type so darn slow , I could have saved a lot of time !!!!! Didn’t see any of the above posts ….

#51 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 10:44 pm

#43 TexasTigress
LOL! dang it, now I have to go and change my depends!

“… if he is just some crackpot 40 yr old man living in his mother’s basement ,dressed in a Captain Kirk uniform and speaking like Yoda , you don’t want to encourage him !!!! lol

#52 kat in your hat on 08.21.08 at 10:44 pm

#21: Nah, nah nah.

I will be HAPPY though! I promise.

#53 BillieJo on 08.21.08 at 10:44 pm

#21 Lorelai

Also, I’m not liking that tiara so much- kind of looks like one Barney would wear, no?

———————-
I knew it, you need diamonds. Go to google, click on images at the top and search tiara. Find the perfect one.

#54 PaulHillary on 08.21.08 at 10:45 pm

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2007/10/20/obama-no-hand-heart-pledge-either-will-msm-notice picture for u tennaseepuma

#55 Maryland PUMA on 08.21.08 at 10:45 pm

I have REAL trolls hanging out in the dungeon. Care to address this one?:

“Oh my god, who are you crazy women? Don’t you realize that by not voting for Obama you are voting for McCain? If you are fine with that, then you should not call yourself democrats. A vote for McCain is a vote against a woman’s right to choose. Did you know that McCain voted AGAINST legislation ensuring equal pay for women? If Hilary is endorsing Obama, why can’t you follow her lead? This site makes me sick and represents EXACTLY what is wrong with the democratic party. If you are upset with the system, try to get Instant Runoff Voting legalized in your state, but don’t hurt us all by helping get another Republican in the White House.”

#56 sheila7 on 08.21.08 at 10:45 pm

paulhillary,
are you still here? i have a question

#57 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 10:45 pm

#49 tennaseepuma
I have one.

#58 Vonay on 08.21.08 at 10:46 pm

#42 DancesWithPumas

You better get to packing there Dances. :)

We’ll be thinking of you and all the Pumas in Denver.

#59 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 10:46 pm

#55 Maryland PUMA

Did you shut all the vents?

#60 PouncingPuma on 08.21.08 at 10:46 pm

http://obits.cleveland.com/CLEVELAND/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=000116072806

#61 StarDust on 08.21.08 at 10:47 pm

# 45 Flowerchild2

Very good point. I know (at least) in Michigan adopted kids birth records are sealed and I don’t know of any other reason for this.

Another Mystery??

#62 kat in your hat on 08.21.08 at 10:47 pm

#41: Dances

You haven’t packed yet?? You are like me…so focused and prepared…and…last minute…oops!

#63 BillieJo on 08.21.08 at 10:47 pm

#41 DancesWithPumas on 08.21.08 at 10:41 pm

wwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I didn’t add a message to my graphic for Senator Clinton. I haven’t packed yet for my departure to Denver at 2 AM tonght either… but any distraction will do. :oops:

—————-
But your graphic is beautiful.
You are leaving tonight? Wow, will you send us a little message if you can? Tell us what to expect. Some of us are leaving Sunday morning.
Have fun Dances, can’t wait to meet you.

#64 Lorelai on 08.21.08 at 10:48 pm

MarylandPuma - got to stay out of the bamus! (term of endearment for basement) No trolls, no boogeymen!
That’s disheartening blather!

#65 TexasTigress on 08.21.08 at 10:48 pm

go andersen - I was trying to lighten up the situation !!! I am just slow to the draw I guess . !!! Paul , I meant no offense - I hope you can see what I was trying to do . :)
Besides , I am the one in the Star Trek Uniform ! ANd MY depends are on my head !BWAAAAAAA !

#66 PouncingPuma on 08.21.08 at 10:49 pm

Regarding post #60

Sorry this is fragmented. Could’t post for the life of me which is getting shorter and shorter all the time.

That is the link for anyone who would like to go to the guest book for Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones to offer condolences.

#67 Vonay on 08.21.08 at 10:49 pm

#37 kids1627,

I feel the same way. I”ve been mad all day just thinking about it.

#68 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 10:50 pm

#65 TexasTigress

LOL!

#69 sheila7 on 08.21.08 at 10:50 pm

PAULHILLARY,
Are you here?

#70 sharpclaws on 08.21.08 at 10:50 pm

MarylandPuma - good one you got there. Hose it off.

#71 tennaseepuma on 08.21.08 at 10:51 pm

Thanks Go I got it from Paulhillary…..

Paulhillary do you have any good ones of Hillary on the road?

#72 PaulHillary on 08.21.08 at 10:51 pm

Well we must look at it this way…..AND i know i will be questioned for my continued support of Senator Clinton, but…..If he chooses Hillary, and she accepts, and this lawsuit thing has merit, she will step right in as the nominee! Hmmmm?? Was that the plan all along?

#73 bythelake on 08.21.08 at 10:51 pm

#55, Good thing your keeping them trolls under the bridge! To think that PUMAS are the reason the National Democratic Party is cracked.

Well, maybe that troll should hang around a bit more and see the real reason of no unity is Howard Dean, Donna Brazile, Nancy Pelosi, Rev. Wright (doesn’t deserve that title), Rezko, paid off delegates…I mean, must I go on?

I’m a prouder American than to allow the likes of the above to steal my vote.

My vote for McCain will be a WAKE UP call that we as democrats will not be lead astray into the land of oz.

You just don’t “select” the least experienced candidate to represent OUR country and think your going to get away with it.

Enough said. Tromp the troll!

#74 sheila7 on 08.21.08 at 10:52 pm

Paulhillary,
Do you know anything about the flowers that were sent to Hillary?

#75 TexasTigress on 08.21.08 at 10:52 pm

TEXANS need to go to the upcoming meetings to do away with the caucus system in our state !!!!

#76 Flowerchild2 on 08.21.08 at 10:53 pm

Star Dust: I am a very, very curious PUMA. Curiosity kills me. How about you? I am also curious to know what the real deal is on his citizenship. Is he or is he not a dual citizen, Kenya and US. If he’s a dual citizen, he can’t be president. Now they are saying he isn’t a citizen, per the law suit we are waiting to hear about.

As far as adoption, it always used to be sealed, but now the adoptions are given an option of having an “open” adoption when the adopted parents continue to communicate with the birth parents. There’s something there with these issues. And he should just come out and explain them. But then he has Soros behind him…..

#77 BillieJo on 08.21.08 at 10:53 pm

#55 Maryland PUMA on 08.21.08 at 10:45 pm

I have REAL trolls hanging out in the dungeon. Care to address this one?:

“Oh my god, who are you crazy women? Don’t you realize that by not voting for Obama you are voting for McCain? If you are fine with that, then you should not call yourself democrats. A vote for McCain is a vote against a woman’s right to choose. Did you know that McCain voted AGAINST legislation ensuring equal pay for women? If Hilary is endorsing Obama, why can’t you follow her lead? This site makes me sick and represents EXACTLY what is wrong with the democratic party. If you are upset with the system, try to get Instant Runoff Voting legalized in your state, but don’t hurt us all by helping get another Republican in the White House.”

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I wondered what it was like in the dungeon………oh, icky.

The really sad thing for all of us is that if either Hillary or Obama wins the nomination…they will each need the supporters of each other. I think the pretenders supporters realize we are a good part of why their leader is not doing well in the polls. If they didn’t trash Hillary and didn’t trash us, maybe we could communicate.
That is why I feel sad for the way Paul was treated tonight. I went over to the Obama site last night, not to post but to find out who they wanted as VP. I heard so many nasty comments about Hillary and about PUMAs, that when Paul was on our site, it sounded very harsh.

#78 Caracal Carrie on 08.21.08 at 10:54 pm

Dances you can still send it to me!

#79 bruce55555 on 08.21.08 at 10:54 pm

43 & 75 TexasTigress
Right on!!! :-D

#80 TexasTigress on 08.21.08 at 10:55 pm

Paulhillary , the only thing I worry about are the stringent time restraints placed on the candidates by the States as far as the candidates for POTUS being placed on the ballots . May the force be with you :)

#81 Lin4Hill on 08.21.08 at 10:55 pm

Maryland PUMA - re: trolls –”Who are you….women?”
that’s it right there……

#82 hillaryistheone on 08.21.08 at 10:55 pm

PaulHillary, we can’t take the chance of that Idiot being on the ticket.

#83 halligan on 08.21.08 at 10:55 pm

comments after the article

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/aug/15/guest-column-the-obama-convention/

#84 Flowerchild2 on 08.21.08 at 10:56 pm

Sometime during the end of the primary, the Clintons warned that something big was going to come out in November about Obama. There’s so many things out there, which one will it be? Will Senator Obama’s chickens come home to roost? And if so, which chicken will it be? Senator O’s life is like a soap opera.

#85 DancesWithPumas on 08.21.08 at 10:56 pm

“Don’t you realize that by not voting for Obama you are voting for McCain?”

Yo, dungeoned lackwit… there are several more choices than voting for your guy, mccain being only one of the options., staying home being another, cynthia mckinney, and any of the other thrid party candidates.

Don’t insult us by bring up your concerns about women’s rights… especially after your boy and his camp of miscreants have done nothing but insult us and Senator Clintin with sexist and misogynist attacks. Too late for yoru concern AND, if you want to campaign for your guy… campaign on his merits, and not by tearing down his potential competitors. You can’t, because same ol’, same ol’ chit is shinola, doesn’t have any positions nor principles. So get out of our faces, because we aren’t in the mood for hopey diapey changey lackwits.

PS PUMA PAC is 60% women and 40% conscious men…

#86 SouthJerseyPUMA on 08.21.08 at 10:56 pm

CARRIE~ any where near done on that 2nd one??

#87 MountainSong on 08.21.08 at 10:56 pm

Thank you, Karl Rove….for describing Obama in 60 seconds or less.

#88 TexasTigress on 08.21.08 at 10:57 pm

Bruce555555 Are you in Tx and did you get the e-mail ?

#89 kids1627 on 08.21.08 at 10:57 pm

I would like to go to Denver but I am going to Alaska and Canada and I guess my Husband would have a fit if I didn’t go on an already paid for trip he is also for Hillary .

#90 BigCatLover on 08.21.08 at 10:57 pm

Post # 220 by wontbackdown that shows Obama camp ’spin’ on whips and Hillary camp explanation of what their role really is. READ IT:

#159 just.words…

Re: Political.com’s article on:

“Clinton creates ‘whip team’ to quell anti-Obama protests”

****BEFORE WE BUY THIS “SPIN” READ THIS****

(BELOW IS THE WHOLE ARTICLE DIVIDED INTO PART 1 = OBAMA CAMPS SPIN VERSES PART 2 = CLINTON CAMP FACTS)

PART 1 OF ARTICLE = OBAMA CAMP SPIN

In an unusual move, Hillary Clinton’s staff is creating a 40-member “whip team” at the Denver Democratic convention to ensure that her supporters don’t engage in embarrassing anti-Obama demonstrations during the floor vote on her nomination, according to people familiar with the planning.

The team, which is being organized by longtime Clinton staffer Craig Smith, is working in conjunction with Obama’s floor organizers to help foster the image of a unified front during a roll-call process Clinton herself has described as an emotional “catharsis” for her disappointed supporters.

“If people get down there on the floor and want to start blowing kazoos and making a scene we want to make sure we’ve got people who stand in front of them with Obama signs,” said a person involved in the planning. (Obama person).

“Is it typical for a losing candidate to have their own whip team? No. But it’s also not usual for a losing candidate to get 18 million votes either,” said the person.

CLINTON CAMP FACT PART

Clinton spokesperson Kathleen Strand emphasized the team would not seek to convince delegates to vote for the former first lady, but would hand out Clinton signs to supporters who requested them.

“We have been and are working closely with the Obama campaign to make sure we have an exciting and unified convention,” Strand said. “Our delegate whips, along with the Obama delegate whips, are a part of a team that will be on the floor of the convention to make sure delegates have everything they need, whether that’s answering questions or passing out signs during Hillary’s speech. The whips are a traditional part of every convention’s floor operations.”

Plans for the squad were finalized last weekend. Although some former Clinton staffers balked at policing their own supporters, its ranks were filled by people itching for a floor pass — not an easy get for Clinton’s troops at the Obama-run convention.”

READING THE FACTS BURIED IN THE SPIN IS NOT EASY WITH THE OBAMA SELECTION POLICE

#91 kat in your hat on 08.21.08 at 10:57 pm

#36:

BillJo:

How can you tell me anything, I am aware of Paul from two weeks and at other venues.

BTW, the censoring is charming…..

#92 antifish on 08.21.08 at 10:58 pm

If you are upset with the system, try to get Instant Runoff Voting legalized in your state, but don’t hurt us all by helping get another Republican in the White House.”
______________
Hurt you? This isn’t about you, you selfish a*shole, this is about protecting this country from another arrogant, inexperienced, and incompetent president.

Do you really want this country to go through another four years of George W. Bush? He’s trying to fool you, bot! It’s not McCain that is a third Bush term, it’s him. That’s why he voted for that FISA bill. He wants the power it would give him to snoop in your shorts. Do you want that? That’s why he’s backing out on ending the war in Iraq. That’s why he praised Reagan and dissed Clinton throughout the primary. That’s why he voted for Cheney’s energy bill. That’s why he doesn’t support any effort that would lower gas prices. He’s taken hundreds of thousands of dollars from the oil companies. He’s got you fooled, bot, but not us. He’s just another arrogant idiot who didn’t hold a full-time job until his forties.

#93 sheila7 on 08.21.08 at 10:58 pm

To the troll that MarylandPuma has in the dungeon:
We are the ones noone was expecting. That’s who we are. :)

#94 bobram on 08.21.08 at 10:59 pm

Sorry that you are leaving Paul - there are some of us that are getting awesome information from you

What I have personally discovered from lurking for weeks and then posting is that one person misunderstands what the poster says and then another person jumps onto what the poster that misinterrupted said and next thing you know it gets all messed up and everyone is gnawing at each other - wish we had prowls everyone is united in those. Just my personal observation

#95 sheila7 on 08.21.08 at 10:59 pm

PAULHILLARY,
I guess you’re not going to respond to me?

#96 DancesWithPumas on 08.21.08 at 10:59 pm

78 Caracal Carrie
I can? Cool. where?

#97 StarDust on 08.21.08 at 10:59 pm

# 55 Maryland PUMA

To Troll

I actually think you got this backwards, the Democratic Party Leaders are nominating someone so corrupt, inexperience and uniformed, I think THEY are the ones who are actually trying to give the Presidency to the Republicans.

McCains values (even though republican) are far more in line with my beliefs than Obama’s could ever be.
Besides- I don’t know what he believes – he flip flops so much, I’m not even sure if he even he knows what he believes anymore.

#98 Mac on 08.21.08 at 10:59 pm

#55, Thanks Maryland Puma for sharing this poor troll’s dissatisfaction with all the Puma’s. I find it interesting that you are blaming all of the supporters of Hillary for the dysfunction of the Democratic Party. Your Democratic Party has been broken for sometime now and all of us are at least making an effort to bring this corruption to light. If you feel that McCain will take away women’s rights then you need to ask “your” Democratic Party why they allowed sexism in this campaign. Further more, the issue of women’s rights for abortion has been on the table since Reagan and it has not changed. I feel “your” party uses that tactic to put the fear of God into women. If there was one president that would have taken action against women’s rights it would have been Bush. So stop blaming the Puma’s for your parties failures. You need to go back to the “chosen One”.

#99 doria on 08.21.08 at 10:59 pm

Thank you for a very fair interview with Diane and Bonnie this evening. You really seemed interested in what they were feeling. Contrast this with David Schuster’s panel last week with Will Bower and Darragh Murphy in which he was dismissive, condescending and bullying. (He also stated at least 4 times that Obama had won the popular vote…like repeating it would make it so.) David acted toward them exactly like the rabid Obama supporters act toward us…yes we are all part of the same Coalition. I, like so many others, began this campaign admiring and believing in Hillary. At the end, after everything she endured, she looked brighter and more beautiful than ever. Our admiration turned to devotion. That kind of devotion is not transferable.

Party disunity will of course be blamed on Hillary…everything else is. (Bill Schneider actually said Tuesday night that the McCain Campaign was following Hillary’s playbook by portraying Obama as “not ready to lead.” Gee, I guess they couldn’t have figured that out for themselves.) But we point to Obama saying that Hillary’s people will vote for me…not sure about my supporters voting for her. Or, Michelle saying she’d really have to think about supporting Hillary if she were the nominee. Or, “You’re likeable enough, Hillary.” Or, brushing Hillary off his shoulder. Death by a million cuts.

Your remarks during the campaign truly were a galvanizing moment for us. (By the way, I believe Hillary was featured in Time Magazine after her Wellesley speech before anyone had ever heard of Bill Clinton). I also believe you wish you hadn’t said them.

I hope you read Fredosso’s book, “The Case Against Obama”. His whole charade of transformative politics is effectively eviscerated. I know who your audience is. So maybe you just can’t question the premise of his campaign.

There are millions of us. From the grief we felt on May 31st at the RBC fiasco and on June 7th at the suspension speech has sprung a spontaneous Political Action movement with enormous passion. We think Hillary would make a wonderful President. We think Senator Obama would be a disaster.

Thank you for recognizing our power. It has been humorous watching the pundits continually try to marginalize us.

Best Regards,

#100 Maryland PUMA on 08.21.08 at 11:00 pm

PaulHillary

We revere freedom of speech, but repeated promotions of a position that is averse to the mission of the blog is not permitted.

This is a NObama blog. NObama. Not even with Hillary as VP. NObama.

I’ve also asked you to email me and you have not yet done so. Is there a reason for that or was I overlooked?

MarylandPUMA
Moderator

#101 MountainSong on 08.21.08 at 11:00 pm

” but don’t hurt us all by helping get another Republican in the White House.”
First, tell me one more time…..the difference between Obama and George Bush is…….?

#102 PaulHillary on 08.21.08 at 11:01 pm

Sorry I probably overlooked you. I will do so from my yahoo which has been posted everywhere one minute I am looking into donations by Barack on the illinois state board of elections site!

#103 doria on 08.21.08 at 11:01 pm

#99 Sorry. That post was an email I sent to Chris Matthews about tonite’s interview.

#104 turndownobama on 08.21.08 at 11:02 pm

Attention Paul, and other non-PUMAs:

Please pass the word that ‘unity’ is not going to come from nominating Hillary for VP! We don’t WANT Hillary to be trapped as VP. We will still vote for McCain and work even harder against an Obama/Clinton ticket.

It’s Hillary on top or McCain!

Just did my personal Prowl for today, sent this to info@hillaryclinton.com with CC to all supers.

Hillary,
Please don’t take VP. Don’t prop up Obama. We will work doubly hard against a ticket that would make you his servant.
Better McCain for four years than Obama/Clinton.
If possible, please fight to get the nomination in Denver — Clinton/Obama. Other wise pls stay in the Senate.
Flora Steele

Actually I should send cc to Pelosi, Dean, etc and media but I don’t have those handy. This means info@hillaryclinton.com will get a dozen copies, but oh well….

#105 BillieJo on 08.21.08 at 11:02 pm

#47 TrishfromCanada on 08.21.08 at 10:43 pm

#37 BillieJo

Paul has constantly requested that we support Hillary going as VP and vote in Bo

Mission: NoBama

—————
Love you to death Trish - you know that, but our mission is to support Hillary.

#106 MountainSong on 08.21.08 at 11:03 pm

The only “change” we can be sure of with Obama is that he will be WORSE than George Bush.

#107 kat in your hat on 08.21.08 at 11:04 pm

Ok, tonight, GeekLove is hoping that her videos will be promoted at Denver. (There is a plasma tv with videos streaming.) My feeling is: there is NO doubt her videos will be showcased. She has really really helped our movement.

#108 Mac on 08.21.08 at 11:04 pm

Good Evening Puma’s! I have not had time to read all the posts, but I did receive the information regarding the law suit that was being filed today in PA. Is there any new information regarding that? I have searched everywhere and have come up with nothing.
Also, I wish a safe trip to all who are going to Denver and all of us will be watching to see all of you on TV with your Puma Pac t-shirts. Go Puma Pac!!!!!
Hi goandersen, hope your doing great!

#109 MountainSong on 08.21.08 at 11:05 pm

How in the world can Obama love this country, when he and MO hate whites? Even though we are a diverse country, an ethic melting pot, that still seems like an oxymoron.

#110 Caracal Carrie on 08.21.08 at 11:06 pm

Not Yet SouthJ

I am working with some texts to help it be more readable.

#111 TexasTigress on 08.21.08 at 11:06 pm

This is the e-mail from the Texas Party Chair . Since the corrupt caucus activites in Texas affected the results of the primaries for ALL of us regardless of which state we live in , I thought that some of you may want to let Boyd know how you feel about our system here .
yellowdog@txdemocrats.org;
Dear fellow Democrat,

The 2008 election cycle has created a historic political climate for Texas Democrats. Approximately 1 million Democrats participated in our convention/caucus system. This surge of participation magnified the intricate workings of Texas’ unique hybrid primary/caucus system, resulting in logistical challenges for some of our Precinct and County/Senatorial District conventions.

As a result, I have appointed the Advisory Committee on the Texas Democratic Party Convention/Caucus System to examine the current process of our primary and caucus system. The Committee will conduct a series of meetings which will be open to the public and will allow for Democrats from all across the state to share their Primary/caucus experience. If for some reason you are not able to attend any of these hearings, you are encouraged to submit written testimony by e-mailing it to the Committee at testimony@txdemocrats.org. The Committee will then consider this feedback and make recommendations to the State Democratic Executive Committee for possible changes. For more information about the committee meetings, click here

The second meeting in this series of Advisory Committee Hearings will be held at the Harlingen Public Library in Harlingen, Texas on September 6, 2008 at 9 a.m.

Additional hearings will be held in the following cities:

September 12, 2008: Houston, TX

October 4, 2008: El Paso, TX

October 17, 2008: Arlington, TX

October 18, 2008: Nacogdoches, TX

November 8, 2008: Lubbock, TX

November 14, 2008: Austin, TX

An examination such as this will help inform and educate our Party leadership, elected officials and the general public about how best to approach the issue of potential modifications to the Convention process in Texas. Your testimony at these hearings will play an important role as we continue to explore our current Democratic Primary process. Only by working together will we be able to grow and strengthen as a Party.

#112 Caracal Carrie on 08.21.08 at 11:06 pm

Ok my eyes are starting to cross…See whoever is left around 3am

#113 kat in your hat on 08.21.08 at 11:07 pm

Lawsuits take a while don’t they? If this is all happening, and a judge approved, I am thrilled.

#114 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 11:07 pm

#108 Mac

Where have you been!!! I am stressing and getting excited all at the same time.
What is new with you???

#115 SouthJerseyPUMA on 08.21.08 at 11:07 pm

WE ARE THE ONE’S NO ONE WAS EXPECTING!

#116 kat in your hat on 08.21.08 at 11:08 pm

Caracal: Are you awake working on the video still??

Bless your heart!

#117 Caracal Carrie on 08.21.08 at 11:08 pm

Night Texas…getting up in 4 hours so Im going to try to close my eyes.

#118 bythelake on 08.21.08 at 11:08 pm

101, First, tell me one more time…..the difference between Obama and George Bush is…….?

Is this a trick question?

The answer, the spelling of course!

#119 Caracal Carrie on 08.21.08 at 11:08 pm

Yeah Kat..Has to be purty

#120 bruce55555 on 08.21.08 at 11:09 pm

88 TexasTigress
I’m in Florida but I have friends and family in Texas - they’re quite angry over the way the caucuses were handled (or mishandled!)
We all know that anger I’m sure.

#121 BillieJo on 08.21.08 at 11:09 pm

#72 PaulHillary on 08.21.08 at 10:51 pm

Well we must look at it this way…..AND i know i will be questioned for my continued support of Senator Clinton,

————–

Paul, I have a question for you. Please post either my name or number of the blog so I will know you are answering my question.

If, and only if Obama asks Hillary to be his VP and she accepts, by tomorrow (this is his time table) would that make having her name put in nomination (for real votes not for symbolic reasons) void by her accepting?

#122 Maryland PUMA on 08.21.08 at 11:11 pm

Here are my thoughts:

We have unidentified trolls among us. That is a given - someone is releasing our prowls to the O camp.

We will have some trolls manage to slip in and attempt to pass themselves off as PUMAs. Some we will catch, some we won’t.

We will also have NEW members joining daily who will not be impressed by the things that have been posted on the blog tonight.

BOTTOM LINE: We have no way of knowing who is legitimate and who is not so I suggest we err on the side of caution. Report your suspicions to a moderator via email. Do not converse with or react to one you suspect. This vetting is causing infighting amongst us.

Every single moment we spend vetting posters is a single moment taken away from pursuing our purpose.

#123 MountainSong on 08.21.08 at 11:12 pm

Obama’s entire campaign has been an attack on basic American values and costitutional protections. I can’t understand why he hasn’t been arrested and charged with terrorism and treason.

#124 kat in your hat on 08.21.08 at 11:13 pm

Caracal: Thank you so much…really.

BillieJo: Good question. I wonder if delegates have to be released first in that situation?

#125 SouthJerseyPUMA on 08.21.08 at 11:13 pm

110# CARRIE~ AWWWWW…. WISH I COULD HELP!! SHANNON WAS ASKING BEFORE BED~ SHE IS SO EXCITED SHE WILL BE A PART OF PUMAS VIDEO! :lol:

#126 MountainSong on 08.21.08 at 11:13 pm

118 bythelake ~~~ Good answer. :P

#127 PaulHillary on 08.21.08 at 11:13 pm

I am so sorry Sheila I didnt answer your question. But I have 4 sites that I blog on, and I am trying to investigate the followiing:

1. Why is Hillary creating a whip team when in the last 3 conventions only the winner had one?
2. Why is there a lawsuit that no MSM has picked up on that was actually put out as a Press Release?
3. Why I can’t get a ticket to Philadelphia first thing in the morning?

But I sent you an email :)

#128 kat in your hat on 08.21.08 at 11:14 pm

Maryland: got it.

#129 TexasTigress on 08.21.08 at 11:17 pm

#122 Maryland - That is exactly how I feel , only you say it soooo much better ! It’s just easire for me to picture them all dressed as Trekies :) i’m nutty that way :)

#130 pa dem on 08.21.08 at 11:17 pm

Supposedly the judge will be hearing the case tomorrow morning. :-) Also, it will supposedly be up available for viewing by around 10 am tomorrow.

Maryland PUMA: could you repost how to get signs/postcards? I can’t seem to find the original posting.

#131 pamawo on 08.21.08 at 11:18 pm

#122 Maryland Puma
Thank you.
I had lunch with 2 friends today that I thought I had convinced to join. They were not impressed.
I will try again when we get past the PaulHillary obsession.

#132 Lin4Hill on 08.21.08 at 11:18 pm

Re: the eyes that watch us.

Then I’ll make it simple for them, Maryland PUMA: BO’s money-rich, super-delegate endorsed campaign stole the election. I’m taking my vote somewhere else. I am not a lemming who will just follow them to the edge of the cliff. I am a much larger beast who can navigate the edge.

#133 kat in your hat on 08.21.08 at 11:19 pm

oh please

#134 Nijma on 08.21.08 at 11:19 pm

The temperance poem: I’ll drink to that!

The troll: the same supreme court/abortion talking point I heard a couple weekends ago from someone with an Obama button who was registering voters in Indiana. They’re still using it. If they really wanted women to feel welcome in the Democratic party they wouldn’t be playing music with the B-word at official party functions, now would they. That kind of language was all over Obama’s official website too, at the same time MO was sending out emails about not using the N-word. Obama has created a political culture within the party where it is okay to make offensive statements and then just brush them off as “jokes”. I don’t think they’re funny. Everyone feels free to do it because they know there are no repercussions and because they want to. If those so-called Democrats–and do real Democrats hate women?–really wanted women to vote for their dude, would they have been so careless in creating a hostile environment for women within the party?

VP: It’s all over the news here (Chicago) that Obama will announce his VP choice on Saturday when he speaks in Springfield. And no, the Gov. will not be there because of ongoing scrutiny of his ties to Rezco which no one wants linked to Obama right now. I wonder if anyone is delaying their travel plans because of this. Any chance at all of HRC being in Springfield on Caturday?

#135 kat in your hat on 08.21.08 at 11:19 pm

Maryland, your email?

#136 BillieJo on 08.21.08 at 11:20 pm

100 Maryland PUMA

We revere freedom of speech, but repeated promotions of a position that is averse to the mission of the blog is not permitted.

This is a NObama blog. NObama. Not even with Hillary as VP. NObama.

————————-

Everyone, I am sorry to say I have to leave the blog. I can not promise I will not vote if Hillary is VP. I have said many times I will support Hillary to better her career by what ever I have to do. I don’t want Obama as the nominee either, I do not even want Hillary as a VP, but I can’t promise that in November I will not vote for her if that is all she can get. I would also vote for her if she was put in charge of Universal Health Care.
Murphy addressed this once in my behalf, but maybe the rules have changed.
I am sorry to leave, I will miss all of you, but since I do not know how I will vote, I can’t promise how I will support anyone other than Hillary. I don’t think I could ever vote for McCain. Third party is a throw away.
I will still go to Denver, but will stay outside of the HQ den for I am no longer considered a PUMA here.
Sadly, I say with a very heavy heart. Good bye.

#137 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 11:20 pm

:roll:

#138 Asian4Hillary on 08.21.08 at 11:20 pm

Bruce555555

I’m with you on that! Actual if you read between the lines what PaulHillary was saying, he is actually working for NObama. He belong to the WHIP TEAM” during convention; meaning if he’s in the club he’s a bouncer. His job is to control Hillary supporters not to go out of bounce while the rest of them are doing their rah rahs supporting NObama. As he goes around circle trying to delude a bunch of us, the root is this, he is supporting NObama and to hell with Democratic Process, therefor, he is a PROBLEM, an ENABLER.

Maryland PUMA,

About the TROLLS , this is what I’ll say to them - DEMOCRATIC PROCESS, COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY. There is NOTHING that can irritate me more when some nincompoop out there ask the most stupid question; “Why are you voting for McCain, you’re a democrat?”. These people have forgotten BASIC CIVIC LESSON that should be taught in our school all over USA; LOYALTY TO MY PARTY ENDS, WHERE LOYALTY TO MYCOUNTRY BEGINS. Their comes a point in time, a person MUST make a choice, and the time has come for us PUMAS to make a decision, country or party? Are we going to toe the party line even when we know our vote is NO longer SACRED? When voice of the people is no longer heard or listened to, democracy is DEAD.

I’m very passionate on this, what PUMA stands for, I’d been there, I know what its like to lose your voice. I know what its like when Democracy is dead. I know what it’s like being in the hit lists because you believe in Democracy and ready to die for it, and the only weapon you have is your pen.

I’d be staying away from this blog for awhile, it awakens too much memories I want to forget. I’m doing this in memory of my friends who are no longer with the living. Please don’t give up even an inch, when you do, they’ll take away everything you’ve got. God bless you all, be kind to each other. Bye for now.

#139 Maryland PUMA on 08.21.08 at 11:21 pm

#135 kat in your hat

same name no space at gee mail dot com

#140 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 11:21 pm

Anyone want to have a Mike’s hare lemonade with me?

:lol:

#141 Vonay on 08.21.08 at 11:21 pm

92 antifish,

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Bravo!!!!

#142 slyt2 on 08.21.08 at 11:21 pm

Caracal Carrie I was gone for bit and had to read all the post i missed and came across this
“dont think I got it But I am practically redoing the video at this point LOL so send away”!
You are redoing it , why what happened?

#143 PaulHillary on 08.21.08 at 11:22 pm

#136 do not leave. We all have your same feelings…We just do not know right now where to turn and its down to the final hour. Hang in…I promise the end is near and everyone will be happy with the result. One thing I learned about Hillary a long time ago is….SHE IS LIKE A CAT SHE ALWAYS WINDS UP ON HER FEET!!!!

#144 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 11:22 pm

LOL! that would be “hard” lemonade.

#145 pa dem on 08.21.08 at 11:23 pm

BillieJo: At least wait until the momentous unveiling Saturday….who knows, it may not even be an issue. :-)

#146 sychoram_in_MO on 08.21.08 at 11:24 pm

http://www.break.com/index/obama-does-def-comedy-jam.html

someone posted this on an earlier thread, but I challenge the trolls and everyone else to watch it… and answer “how can you support this man”…

#147 jenniforhillary on 08.21.08 at 11:26 pm

I LOVE the opening for tonight’s thread.

I am sick. Can’t sleep. Can’t rest. Can’t work. This is torture and I blame the ONC/BO.

I find myself chanting under my breath all the time “don’t quit hillary.” I wonder if we are karmically connected somehow…

SOOOO many people are watching and HOPING hillary steps up and out on behalf of her supporters and America. I have friends all over the world and they too want to see her wipe the floor with these judases. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM should be sent to the lion’s den….PUMA can eat them all for dinner.

I wish I could be there and see everything. It is sorta killing me not to see it all so I am praying to be hooked in through PUMA. I just so want justice, and knowing that it is almost impossible to attain I still WANT IT. I need it.

PUMA is so wonderful I am in awe of everyone here. When Hillary gave her suspension speech I cried so hard I was sick for 2 days. I could not lift my head from the pillow–it was as if I had lost my passion. Someone named Sandi on the Democratic blog told me to come here and it was salvation, peace, and passion all in one.

I pray for the SAFETY of all PUMAS, the swift DOWNFALL of all traitors, liars, cheats, misogynists, and creeps in general, and I pray for Hillary Rodham Clinton to be America’s President in 2008 and again in 2012.

For Stephanie and every PUMA here and beyond, for our mothers, grandmothers, and grandchildren, for our salvation and theirs, a HILLARY VICTORY!!!

#148 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 11:27 pm

#146 sychoram_in_MO

Guy is an idiot.

#149 DancesWithPumas on 08.21.08 at 11:27 pm

wait! did carrie leave??
I dont know where to send my amended graphic for her video….

waaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
man… it feels soooooo good to whine

#150 Vonay on 08.21.08 at 11:27 pm

#136 BillieJo,

Please don’t leave us. Many Pumas haven’t decided what they will do in Nov.
We are all united here in our beliefs about democrasy.
We all support Hillary and want her as president. We just have to take one day at a time and see what happens.
We need you.

#151 Vonay on 08.21.08 at 11:27 pm

#136 BillieJo,

Please don’t leave us. Many Pumas haven’t decided what they will do in Nov.
We are all united here in our beliefs about democrasy.
We all support Hillary and want her as president. We just have to take one day at a time and see what happens.
We need you.

#152 DancesWithPumas on 08.21.08 at 11:28 pm

I’ll give ya a dollar if you pack for me

#153 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 11:28 pm

#136 BillieJo,

Come back in here girl, have a drink with me and enjoy the show.

#154 Vonay on 08.21.08 at 11:29 pm

Sorry about the double post, don’t know what happened.

#155 PaulHillary on 08.21.08 at 11:29 pm

Does anyone know what the heck to wear to Federal court….? I will be so upset if I get there and this is false its 68.00 and a change of my airline ticket at the last minute. But if this booger cant be president I want to be ONE of the FIRST to know! I want to do a jig outside and say to every Obamabot that spit at me….LOOK…this is what you trusted!

#156 jenniforhillary on 08.21.08 at 11:29 pm

Asian PLEASE do not leave I love your posts….

#157 TexasTigress on 08.21.08 at 11:29 pm

My ( and carrie’s ) mom was the first woman president of the largest local in the UAW , and she has been a die -hard Democrat all of her life . She is supporting Obama , and refuses to listen ( hear rather ) to my points on why I won’t support him . She preaches about Unity and defeating the republicans etc . It has been imopssible - until today . I finally gave her pause when I reminded her about the importance of checks and balances in a Union , and how it is the OBLIGATION of the membership to question our leaders and ensure that they are going to have the best interest of the Union ( country ) at heart . I reminded her how we lost 17,000 jobs and our bargaining officials all ended up with new SUV’s . She pasued for a min. and then said , ” You’re right . ”
My point is , we are right , Pumas . We just have to keep presenting the facts and opening their eyes . Eventually they will figure it out . :)

#158 MountainSong on 08.21.08 at 11:29 pm

143 PaulHillary ~~~ If you KNOW something,be mature and tell us. If not, don’t make empty promises you cannot keep.

#159 Vonay on 08.21.08 at 11:30 pm

#149 DancesWithPumas,

LOL ya want some cheese with that whine?

~~ snort~~ :D

#160 DancesWithPumas on 08.21.08 at 11:30 pm

I won’t vote for obama… wouldnt care of God herself was his running mate.
Will absolutely not reward corruption… and the undermining of an election process. It’s a no brainer.

#161 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 11:31 pm

It is getting all wiggly in here.

#162 SouthJerseyPUMA on 08.21.08 at 11:33 pm

goandersen~ PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHEW!!! THIS IS TERRIBLE!

#163 DancesWithPumas on 08.21.08 at 11:33 pm

what is carries email address? she posts it here all the time..please hep me or I will have to pack for denver.

#164 halligan on 08.21.08 at 11:34 pm

If there are trolls among us, maybe we’d better speak in code:

aw[4oit a[’rgivzhjoxdivf =0q934u tg;f

#165 DancesWithPumas on 08.21.08 at 11:34 pm

Will someone please smack vonay for me, please thank you. ;)

#166 YesSheCan on 08.21.08 at 11:34 pm

To the Trolls:

The Media and the DNC unfairly manipulated the primary.

I’ll be voting against Senator Obama to send a message.

Hopefully, they’ll “get it” when John McCain wins, and we’ll have fair elections in the future. If I could handle Bush for 8 years, McCain for 4 will easy.

BTW- it’s not too late for the DNC to fix their big mistake- A Clinton/Obama ticket (with Hillary on the top!!) is the only way the Democrats can possibly win.
Tell your guy to “suck it up” for his country and release his delegates to Senator Clinton. THAT would show how patriotic he is.

#167 TexasTigress on 08.21.08 at 11:34 pm

Dances , carrie is at witchway2go@hotmail.com
Goanderson , make it a double !!!

#168 tennaseepuma on 08.21.08 at 11:35 pm

Billie Jo….please dont go……….

#169 SouthJerseyPUMA on 08.21.08 at 11:35 pm

I WILL BE BACK TOMORROW~ I CAN NOT BELIEVE THE NONSENSE I KEEP READING OVER AND OVER~ HOW WILL WE EVER BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY IF WE CANT EVEN GET ALONG AMONG OURSELVES! THIS IS PATHETIC AND UNCALLED FOR~ AND NOW BECAUSE OF IT WE LOSE BILLIE JO? VERY SAD…..AND THAT IS MY OPINION!!

#170 sandipuma on 08.21.08 at 11:35 pm

Hi everyone i am back. Antifish i need to send you a e-mail and make sure we are at same motel. I’m sure we are

#171 sychoram_in_MO on 08.21.08 at 11:35 pm

#140 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 11:21 pm

ok GO u have a MIKE’s and I’ll do some tequilla shots.. wouldn’t want ya drinkin alone! I won’t be on long tho..

#172 halligan on 08.21.08 at 11:36 pm

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

#173 MountainSong on 08.21.08 at 11:36 pm

We have to remember that we create our own realities, both collectively and individually. We HAVE to believe Hillary will get the nomination. Anything less….ensures less.

#174 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 11:36 pm

#163 DancesWithPumas
witchway2go@hotmail.com

#175 Vonay on 08.21.08 at 11:36 pm

#165 DancesWithPumas,

hehehee :D

#176 MountainSong on 08.21.08 at 11:36 pm

If McCain wins the election, the first person he thanks should be Barack Obama.

#177 sandipuma on 08.21.08 at 11:37 pm

Nobody leave as there is no reason too. We are all here for the same reason We believe in Hillary

#178 pamawo on 08.21.08 at 11:37 pm

#136 BillieJo
You do not need to leave just because you are unsure about what you would do if Hillary was the VP candidate.
Anyone who has read your comments knows you are a
true Hillary supporter.
Anyone who has read your comments knows you do not want Obama as the nominee.
Anyone who has read your comments knows you are fed up with the behavior of the democratic party leaders.
That’s enough for me.
I consider you a fellow fighter for democracy.
You are a PUMA! Remain part of the pack.

#179 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 11:38 pm

#162 SouthJerseyPUMA

It will settle down. Please take it easy tonight.

#180 sandipuma on 08.21.08 at 11:38 pm

smack smack

#181 SouthJerseyPUMA on 08.21.08 at 11:38 pm

152

DWP~ MAKE IT 2 AND YA GOT A DEAL~ ;)

#182 halligan on 08.21.08 at 11:38 pm

Maybe McCain and Obama should go out to dinner together.

#183 DancesWithPumas on 08.21.08 at 11:39 pm

texastigress
thank you.

#184 jenniforhillary on 08.21.08 at 11:39 pm

yes. we must stay firm and be honest to our genesis. NO BO.

BO is the end of America. He is an evil sick individual who is backed by monied interests that will wreck this country but make many VERY VERY RICH.

He represents everything that is WRONG with this world, and I challenge ALL PUMAS everywhere to make sure they do not rationalize or become hypocritical.

We love Hillary because she is a fine person who has done right by this country and her people. If she chooses to subjugate this country and her people to an egomaniac and a political party gone mad with testerone she does not deserve us. She will have sold out.

I have read these blogs when I cannot sleep and have been INSPIRED by the intelligence, compassion, creativity and SPIRIT of all PUMA’s. STAY TRUE PUMA’s STAY TRUE. DO NOT GO OFF COURSE.

BO is more than a man, just like PUMA is more than just Hillary. BO is a a microcosm of the bigger problem of ego-gone-mad, race baiting, woman hating, borderline personality combined with self-centeredness to the extent that it is ALMOST pathological. Criminal, Evil, Liar, Racist, Sexist…..choose any negative and it will apply. He is just a man, but he represents what is wrong with the human race and we CANNOT support that. NOT EVER.

Hillary is the opposite. We are just waiting for her next move. But WE are the reason for the season. WE are the country, WE are the bosses, WE are the ONES we have been waiting for. We are standing our ground and demanding honesty, truth, and justice. Our weapons are solidarity and UNBENDING conviction. We need no others. We are stronger than they could ever be, as long as no one breaks the line.

I will NEVER allow the line to break on my part. I will NEVER let go of my convictions and I will never settle for less than. I challenge you all to hold firm to your dreams. They are more powerful than you could ever imagine. This is why they are so scared…..

#185 TrishfromCanada on 08.21.08 at 11:39 pm

#105 BillieJo

you can vote however you want, we simply do not promote nobama, hence nobama zone but only you own your vote

#186 diva2 on 08.21.08 at 11:39 pm

#140 Goanderson

I will, love it!

#187 DancesWithPumas on 08.21.08 at 11:40 pm

181 SouthJerseyPUMA

I’m make it 3.
You drive a hard bargain.

#188 Blue Blue Gal on 08.21.08 at 11:40 pm

Asian4Hillary

i look forward to your posts because they are usually not in response, but rather in observation. i applaud that quality - one that apparently i do not have.
i second 156 jenniforhillary’s plea.

#189 TrishfromCanada on 08.21.08 at 11:40 pm

the long posts are messing up the blog again, can everyone please break up their posts, thank you

#190 Maryland PUMA on 08.21.08 at 11:41 pm

BillieJo

You are still Nobama. You are not supporting him to become the Dem Nominee. After Denver, many things will change. Some will split off and work for McCain. Some will work for a third party. Everyone will have a different choices in November. That is their right - to choose - and we do not restrict membership based on any of those things.

I hope that many PUMA PACers will continue to work with us toward Democratic Party reform and getting the corrupt powers out of office.

I should have worded that differently as that comment was addressed to a specific member and I was trying to make a point that failed miserably.

#191 TexasTigress on 08.21.08 at 11:42 pm

Billiejo , stop ! This is nonsense . Everybody stop and BREATHE …. We have come to far to begin to unravle now . We are a family and we WILL remain as such . Everyone here is a part of the whole . When we fight amongst ourselves , they win . Goandersen is buying a round for the house , so just have a drink and CHILL OUT .

HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT !!!

#192 halligan on 08.21.08 at 11:42 pm

If McCain and Obama went out to dinner together tomorrow, what do you think would be the topic of conversation?

#193 Blue Blue Gal on 08.21.08 at 11:42 pm

took the chill pill BillieJo recommended ( and two cocktails) it works - lol lol

#194 sandipuma on 08.21.08 at 11:43 pm

I love everyones posts and come in and read them all the time. Sometimes i lurk and just read. Everyone in here are so great and i am very impressed with every single one. I am proud to be a PUMA with you all

#195 Vonay on 08.21.08 at 11:44 pm

#164 halligan,

Yes, $##@! *&^%$ &^%$ ^%$# :D

#196 TexasTigress on 08.21.08 at 11:44 pm

Maryland , you look pretty in yellow . It brings out your “I”s .. LOL

#197 kat in your hat on 08.21.08 at 11:44 pm

#140:

I will have a drink with you!

#198 BillieJo on 08.21.08 at 11:44 pm

Thank you PUMAs for accepting me for my views. I have to take a time out, tears.
It is lonely without you PUMAs. I will come back…

#199 caribbeanpuma on 08.21.08 at 11:45 pm

Please,don’t anybody leave the pac. What is happening is natural. We are all under stress.( This looks like a week before the wedding. LOL)
Just think….Hillary will get an overwhelming response from the delegates. She will tell the public how much she worked for Obama(mentionin all the places she went for him). Then she will say that her duty is for the people(18 millions). That she will obey their claim for her to represent them.

#200 sandipuma on 08.21.08 at 11:45 pm

heck without Billiejoe and asian it would be like a hot dog without the weiner and who wants to eat a plain bun

#201 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 11:45 pm

#186 diva2

Clink! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!

#202 lilibet on 08.21.08 at 11:45 pm

Repost from downstairs.
#1240 lilibet on 08.21.08 at 11:28 pm

GoAnderson; I am going to call “him” POUPEE (poo-pay).
That is French for “doll”. I had to have my 171/2 year old cat put to sleep on Dec.1st. His name was Poupee.

#203 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 11:46 pm

#200 sandipuma

LOL!

#204 kat in your hat on 08.21.08 at 11:46 pm

Not sure what though. I will have a pretend drink…

Wonder where all the pumas are in their travels right now…

#205 MsBinMD on 08.21.08 at 11:46 pm

Well as I count it that’s 5 Pumas in 2 days. Pumas that I have been here with since early June. That saddens me greatly.

Two situations here today -
If there WAS a troll involved in the conversations - and I am not saying who it actually may have been( ’cause that is not my job), they caused divisiveness, agitation, intergroup negativity and bickering, verbal attacks and all the things they were here to do…………so the bast@rds won.

And if there were actually no trolls involved today, then we should feel embarrassed at the activity that has consumed this day and shame for the hurtful way we have treated our fellow Pumas.

Sure hope Hillary Clinton didn’t pop in on us today.

Even with the tension we should be experiencing some joy at the possibilities, and pride for all we have done thus far.

Have a good night everyone.

#206 kids1627 on 08.21.08 at 11:47 pm

Bottle of wine fruit of the vine let me go home and start over

#207 sandipuma on 08.21.08 at 11:47 pm

Welcome back Billiejo i thought i was going to have to go back to the hospital over this now all behave or i will send you to your room :)

#208 diva2 on 08.21.08 at 11:48 pm

#201 Goanderson
Clink and cheers!

#209 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 11:48 pm

#202 lilibet

Good name! Poupee! PUMA POUPEE!

#210 maxgrader on 08.21.08 at 11:49 pm

diva2 and Blue Blue Gal;

Good to see you nice pumas enter the current group. You give PUMA class and that “Confluence’ touch that riverdaughter is so extraordinary at with her gang.

Billie Jo. I love you. Please stay.

#211 sandipuma on 08.21.08 at 11:49 pm

I can not wait to meet you all in Denver and that is what keeps me going

#212 bruce55555 on 08.21.08 at 11:50 pm

138 Asian4Hillary
I hear you!
Please take care. With this blessed site and these wonderful, wonderful Pumas, and our moderators, leaders, other related sites, etc., we have accomplished so so so much!!!
Us getting the word out to the masses I think is what frightens them most, it really aggravates them.
As for myself I wish that I could do more - my finances are very low right now (Florida real estate market, I’m a realtor here :-( ) and I hardly have any extra time, running around showing foreclosed properties to people who bid low, and rentals. This is a bad time for me.
But I’m cheerful that at least I know that I have a little power with the pen (so to speak).
And I am so thankful for this site and all these beautiful people.
All for Hillary, the best thing that ever happened to us, and for our country.

#213 queen81 on 08.21.08 at 11:50 pm

watch out Billiejo

one night when trish threatened to dissapear I threatened to steal a mountie uniform and ride though canada on a horse screaming her name…I’m not above humiliating myself to get the good ones back! :-)

#214 sandipuma on 08.21.08 at 11:50 pm

i’m bringing my tiny puma shirts with me and changing them for bigger ones

#215 halligan on 08.21.08 at 11:50 pm

Why is everyone so tense? Billjo! Come back here, please! You have to do what your heart tells you to do concerning this whole election mess. My whole family is opposed to my views (lovingly however), but some times its hard for them to understand where I’m at. I like to work with people of all persuasions. Even when they speak their opinion, I always try to put myself in their shoes. It usually doesn’t change my mind, but it certainly help me to understand them. Political relationship are so phoney most of the time. But relationships from the heart and on commonalities are worth more than gold. So hang in here kid.

#216 diva2 on 08.21.08 at 11:51 pm

#197 kat

Cheers!

#217 goandersen on 08.21.08 at 11:52 pm

#202 lilibet

aaaaw. I know what that is like. I had to put my Casey down. The hardest thing I have ever had to do..

(((((((((((lilibet))))))))))))))

#218 diva2 on 08.21.08 at 11:52 pm

Halligan,

Join us for a drink and let us know how your wine is?

#219 4hillinca on 08.21.08 at 11:52 pm

#205
I agree. We can’t let anyone get between us and what our goal here is. We must stay focused and yes, I am sure if Hillary did “pop in on us today” she would not be happy. She is our example….rise above it all!!! Tomorrow is a new day and if there are trolls here then so be it. If Obama is that desperate then he really does have a problem.

#220 jenniforhillary on 08.21.08 at 11:52 pm

I am so sorry anderson. I am so very very sorry :( there is nothing harder….

#221 sandipuma on 08.21.08 at 11:53 pm

I must say i have never met such a wonderful bunch of hard working,caring and wonderful people and words could never realy express what i mean and feel

#222 Taffy on 08.21.08 at 11:53 pm

We could think about how to greet Hillary (and give mo and pelosi the cold shoulder!!!) when she shows up for her speech Tuesday afternoon. Just cause we not going in doesn’t mean we can’t be on a public street!!!!

#223 MountainSong on 08.21.08 at 11:53 pm

Proof of Trolls:
I only posted my gmail addy here on this site. Yet I have received 2 emails in 2 days from the Dem’s Rapid Response Team.

#224 pa dem on 08.21.08 at 11:54 pm

I found it!

694 Maryland PUMA on 08.16.08 at 11:04 pm *** FOR THOSE WHO CAN NOT ATTEND IN DENVER ***

Members that would like a PUMA Pal to carry a rally sign with their name on it can donate $5 for the sign. (Thanks to JenniforHillary’s Mom and Wizard for the inspiration)

We will also offer POSTCARDS FROM DENVER. We will mail you, or your recipient, a postcard from Denver from the Convention for a $5 donation.

HERE’S HOW:

FIRST
Send in your donation on the contribute link with POSTCARD or SIGN in Purpose. Remember - $5 each.

SECOND
Send an email to CUinDenver@gmail.com.
Put POSTCARD or SIGN as subject
Include your e-receipt number (for tracking)

FOR POSTCARDS - how many and list addy(s) for recipient(s)

SIGNS - List text for sign. Let us know if someone has agreed to carry it for you or if you don’t have a preference - we’ll find you a PUMA Pal!

#225 Blue Blue Gal on 08.21.08 at 11:54 pm

maxgrader

thank you

a nicer compliment i have not had- (at least not recently !!)

#226 halligan on 08.21.08 at 11:54 pm

#195 Vonay

:-)

#227 sychoram_in_MO on 08.21.08 at 11:55 pm

#223 MountainSong

I don’t think I’ve ever posted mine here, but I got 2 as well.. but I did do the prowl the other day using the DNC’s site4… maybe that’s where they came from