Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell (whose HOUND attempt to counteract the burgeoning Puma Movement flopped at the end of June) has instructed Hillary Clinton’s pledged delegates NOT to sign a petition circulating among some delegates to place Clinton’s name in nomination for a roll call vote in Denver. In an email we obtained yesterday, Mary Isenhour, executive director of the state Democratic Party in Pennsylvania, makes it clear that the message from the top is unequivocal: Shut up and don’t make a move until the big shots tell you what to do.
TO: All Clinton Delegates
FROM: Mary Isenhour
Executive Director
DATE: August 11, 2008
RE: Nomination
If anyone approaches you about signing a petition to place Senator Clinton’s name in nomination at the Democratic National Convention, the Governor has asked me to ask you to refrain from signing such a petition until we know what Senator Clinton and Senator Obama have worked out. As always, please feel free to let me know if you have any questions.
The 300 Petition, as it has come to be known, is a delegate-led effort to follow provisions in the nominating rule book of the DNC that make it possible for delegates themselves, rather than the Party or Convention Chair, to nominate a candidate for President at the party’s national convention in Denver. Rumors have been flying since Clinton suspended on June 7th that Howard Dean and Barack Obama were trying behind the scenes to script a Unity Show in Denver in which Obama received the unanimous support of the delegates. Because of Dean and Obama’s vague allusions to “negotiations” around a Clinton roll call vote, it has become increasingly clear that the DNC and the Obama campaign would much prefer Clinton to efface herself again by conceding her right as the runner-up in the delegate race to ask the that her name be put in nomination by the Chair. If Clinton were to make such a request, it would be politically unpleasant for Obama or Dean to deny her the same privilege given to past candidates, like Shirley Chisolm, Jesse Jackson, and Ted Kennedy. The fact that Clinton received vastly more delegates than any of those past candidates would make the snub even more outrageous.
For close watchers of this quiet drama being played out by a battered Obama campaign and a flat broke DNC, it appears that Clinton’s hands are tied. Her future role in the party and the inclusion of her universal health care plan in the official party platform are likely being used to stay her hand in requesting a roll call vote. The maneuverings of late July, in which Clinton pledged delegates began to feel the pressure to fall in line silently behind Obama, led several of them to begin circulating the 300 Petition as a way to work around the loggerhead at the top.
DNC rules state that a petition to place a candidate in nomination at the Convention, signed by no fewer than 300 delegates, must be accepted by the Chair. Our contacts in the 300 Petition effort tell us they are quite confident they will meet and easily exceed the 300 signatures, all of which are notarized, in the likely event that the Obama campaign, following the lead of Barack Obama himself in his discrediting campaign against Alice Palmer in Chicago, will attempt to challenge the validity of the elected delegates’ signatures.
“We know how Obama operates. We’ve seen it in Chicago for years, and we’re not taking any chances,” says one of the delegates I spoke with who is organizing the 300 Petition.
Puma PAC Members — Today’s PROWL will be in response to this outrageous attempt by Rendell and other party big shots to bypass the Democratic process by pressuring and intimidating delegates and voters into falling in line behind Obama. The nominating process on the convention floor is time tested and fair. Why is it only this year, the first time that a woman has come so close to being the nominee for the White House, are the delegates (and the 18 million voters they represent) being forced to give up their voting rights at the Convention? Is it a coincidence that Obama and Dean are so brazenly demanding that the woman candidate step aside so that the selected man can shine in the glory of a coordinated show of smoke-and-mirrors Unity? We think not.
UPDATE AUGUST 11th AT 3:09PM: It has come to my attention that the so-called Puma formerly known as Knoxville (aka Knoxville Puma, Knoxville Brian, and Brian Carniello) has been incessantly blogging lies and misinformation about Puma PAC and me personally all around the internet, specifically in regard to Puma PAC’s finances. As our members and most readers know, Puma PAC is a political action committee registered with the Federal Elections Commission. This means we must follow very strict and specific campaign finance laws, and that our financial disclosure forms are a matter of public record. In June of 2008 we raised just over $22,000. In July we raised approximately $20,000. Our July disclosure forms will be submitted this week and made public by the FEC soon after that. As of July 31st Puma PAC had spent about $8,000 on our documentary and youtube clips, $2,000 on printing and shipping, $5,000 on web hosting and development, and $2,500 on legal fees. The remainder being safe and sound and untouched in Puma PAC’s own bank account with Bank of America. Our budget for Denver is close to $20,000. That means we are frugal, cautious, and will soon be flat broke. ALL of our contributions come from individual donors, the VAST majority of them $25 or less. Please help spread these facts far and wide. Brian Carniello’s attacks are not merely damaging to me they are an attack on ALL of us and on the Puma Movement itself. Please email me at murphy@pumapac.org if you have more specific or further concerns. Thank you — Darragh Murphy.
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Morning all
brb, seems so quiet here
Fiona, here is the link to the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TscHyh6t2Ng
587 PumaRhythm
I felt just like you, but I wanted to find Darragh when I saw her on FOX. It took me awhile, but here I am.
What I learned from Pumas:
How to open multiple tabs
How to make smileys
How to Prowl
How to Laugh
How to Cry
How to Never Give up for what you believe in!!
You’re a Puma – go for it!!
Lets get on this Rendell crap ! Morning Murphy – sent an e-mail to you or mama or whoever gets it .
I am on fire and throwin 7 kinds of smoke today ! Let me at ‘em ! 
hi all just wanted to pop in and say hi to all here I am so upset about this Rendal. The guy that helped Hillary so much.Party before country he is a solid politician him and bo should be quite a pair.
Pumas , I have FINALLY revived my little sister from her koolaid induced stupor ! Actually xo did it himself with the fisa thing , but she is as against him now as she was for him then , and she will be joining the pack in a little bit ! She’s brilliant and will be a huge asset . Don’t know what her name will be , but she’s in Indy . Give her a puma welcome if you see her later ! Woooooo Hoooooo !
Good morning PUMAs! I missed all of you!
Today is Peace and Power Day in honor of Wizard and Firebelle’s friend Jim.
No snarking, sniping, exposed claws or ruffled fur today.
Today I challenge each PUMA to walk away from negativity and negative feelings. Let the slights and possible offenses go – chances are it was NOT intended that way. We are a family.
Walk away from it – channel the energy and emotion into a positive action. There is MUCH to be done and very little time to do it.
Get out in your communities and spread the word. Put up flyers. Give out business cards. Email your friends. Donate. Network. Send out Thank You notes to anyone who has been sympathetic or at least unbiased in their reviews or opinions of our group and activities.
Please close every post today with “Peace” as a reminder.
Peace.
Rendell can Pog mo thoin ! ( for all my Irish Pumas )
See this is why it should have been kept a secret (which I believe it was for sometime) I knew this would happen once they found out about it. It’s always good to keep your opponents(lack of better word) guessing whats next. I can’t believe of all people Ed Rendall is doing this I guess I had him wrong I thought he was one of the “good guys”
#7 TexasTigress
That’s great news! Congratulations, am looking forward to a new member joining the PUMApac family. Good job!
Peace
Good morning MarylandPuma and TexasTigress
t tigress Great news!! We will give her a shout on incoming:) I think we will see a lot of this as far one way as other.Maryland welcome back!! good to see ya.
Well going prowling see ya all later. tcb4n
Good morning and jane-pa!
Thanks , Trish ! I e-mailed her a link to your amazing video !!!!! Peace
Thanks, TrishfromCanada, for the link
gave the vid an “awesome” rating.
all teary from those images of Hillary!
great job.
Good morning Gypsy !
Peace !!!!!
Good Morning Pumas,
Today has a really sad start for me, my old cat Rasta a selkirk rex passed away in the night, I will miss him very very much
This article needs comments.
Baltimore Sun
Clinton, backers should put a stop to party disunity.
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/baltimore-sun/T41MTJQ3RH3JO9VLH#lastPost
Wow, what is up with Rendell??!!
great article today on Politico about “7 Worrisome Signs for Obama”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080811/pl_politico/12433;_ylt=AhDsvZV0ACKxrIJccaEAi2bZn414
Yes, let’s keep the focus on Rendell and the big shots who are trying ONCE AGAIN to quash the democratic process and bypass the VOTERS.
Not okay.
prominent placement on CNN Political Ticker:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/11/pro-clinton-group-runs-new-ad-warns-against-obama-coronation/
This is a post I saw on RD from “woman voter” it says it all:
Woman Voter, on August 12th, 2008 at 8:33 am Said:
Actions stations…someone is trying to
tank the delegate role call effort. Please go
over and place a comment of rate the
comments, but the good news is the press
is reporting that Obama wants ’special’ rules
for him but they are trying to do a nullification
of the roll call vote:
Backers want Clinton nominated at convention
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/11/MN8D128VO8.DTL&tsp=1
[Quote]” Bob Mulholland, an undecided California superdelegate, said that means “if a candidate’s got delegates, then both names can be placed in nomination” – and the losing candidate, in this case Clinton, can declare, ” ‘Let’s make it unanimous.’ ”
Or Clinton can be nominated and a surrogate speaking on her behalf can say, “The senator has declined, but let’s vote on Obama,” he noted.
A third option is that she won’t allow her name to be nominated at all, he said.” [End Quote]
Bob Mulholland is trying to make sure the
delegates don’t vote for Hillary…what would
be the point of it? We ‘the voters/people
are not asking for delegates to repeat her
name, we are asking for
R
E
S
P
E
C
T
and that means taking a vote! Hillary isn’t
afraid! First, they tie her hands behind her
back in the fight, now they won’t allow her
in the ring, and if we are successful in getting
her into the ring…NO VOTE! Give me a F******
break! Yes, us ‘OLD’ women are going to
be the swing VOTE…glad you ‘PARTY
LEADERS’ finally got the memo, but we are
not good at being played! Mature women
today are bloggers and are very informed and
apparently more informed than Donna Brazile,
Coward Dean and Pelosi (someone wants your
seat).
So, go ahead and coronate him, fix the the
fight, it won’t go unnoticed and he won’t win. He
can’t even debate McCain and refused to
debate Hillary. We can see through Obama…
he doesn’t fool us, and we won’t do his bidding.
Fairness and equality have gone out the window
in this election!
RIGHT IS RIGHT
[Quote] “Clay Dougherty, another San Francisco delegate for Clinton, said that “if the situation were reversed, the Obama people would feel the same.”
“For the first time in a generation, it’s been a close election … and this was such a unique situation,” he said, in which the first major African American presidential candidate competed with the first major female presidential candidate. “We need to honor both candidates,” he said. ” [End Quote]
They also mentioned PUMA in passing…
wow, I come back and now everyone is here, for a moment I thought I was on the wrong page
TREEPUMA
#4 1gypsy4mc Thanks!!!! now excuse me while I do my ” Puma Victory Dance ” and then go down and mail my Geraldine Ferraro Thank You card [ smiley face coming soon] Have a wonderful morning and i will be back later.
Murphy you need to send that email to Corbett Of Wilk Radio. He will have a field day with Ed Rendall. Steve Corbett would air this in a big way and shake up PA and the delegates
http://wilknetwork.com/pages/1446563.php?
#18 mijabsnji ohhhhhhhhh I’m soooo sorry, I know how much that hurts darn little things are just like one of the kids. I just lost a pet about 2 weeks ago and it was so hard so my heart totally goes out for you. How old was the cat, I have a 17 year old cat and I don’t even want to think about her dying..
Do not tell delegates what to do, let them use their own independent judgement – that is what they are there for. Do not tell voters what to do either.
why do you call him xo? I always thought that was for hugs and kisses
TREEPUMA
This is all so outrageous! Since when did Delegates’ votes become the “property” of the DNC instead of a repesention of the votes cast?
Cannot Wait for this Prowl!!! Excellent!!!
Oh, by the way, when I had to go to store this morning I was talking with the cashier, she is so terrified that bo will get in, she’s a rep. but I told her what we were about and she is going to check us out, yeah, hopefully another puma
TREEPUMA
Oh, that’s right! Hillary supporters are supposed to be the “property” of the new Obama DNC too! What was I thinking?
18 mijabsnji
My sympathies to you – my pets mean so much to me also.
#30 tree
You’re funny. I think it means we are x’ing “o” out – something to that affect. That way we can stay out of trouble by not calling him names.
The reports of the Denver and Pa activities by the State Dem officials are a preview of the chilling power that Obamania has over the Democratic leaders. A sad sad time for those of us who have been proud to be Dems until now.
I am personally more inspired to continue the fight for right and against the change for the corruptness that Obama apparently inspires.
I am up to date with the Prowls and ready for the next ones…
Let’s go………
I am reposting this from the previous thread, in case anyone is interested in contacting any of these individuals, re: Sacha Millestone, CO superdelegate.
(Sacha Millestone bio/contact info also available at end of previous thread).
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Contact information re: DNC officicals involved in CO superdelegate Sacha Millestone situation described above
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Colorado Democratic Party Officers
Patricia Waak
Chair
pwaak@coloradodems.org
(http://coloradodems.org/content/view/41/46/)
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Colorado Democratic Party Staff
Bill Compton
Political Director
bcompton@coloradodems.org
(http://coloradodems.org/content/view/42/46/)
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Or,
Contact the CDP @
Colorado Democratic Party
777 Santa Fe Drive Denver, CO 80204
info@coloradodems.org
Phone (303) 623-4762
Fax (303) 623-2443
(http://coloradodems.org/component/option,com_philaform/Itemid,53/form_id,2/)
If Hillary is not our nominee, it looks like I am going to be too “barefoot and pregnant” to vote for Obama.
WTF??? I am using that term more and more these days and I am sorry to offend anyone w/ the salty language but seriously, WTF???
If it is in the DNC rule books, who the h*ll does Ed Rendell think he is, telling delegates not to sign a petition?
This party really has become a bunch of lemmings running after Dean & Pelosi & Read & BO & croonies.
On another note, here are the links to the 3 major polling companies, would you please send them an e-mail or call them and ask to put Clinton back in the polls? Rasmussen mentioned yesterday he has been getting a lot of inquiries, let’s keep up the pressure.
Rasmussen Reports Phone: 732-776-9777 Email: info@rasmussenreports.com
Quinnipiac University – The Polling Institute 203-582-5201 pollinginstitute@quinnipiac.edu
Gallup Sarah Van Allen 877-242-5587 or 202-715-3030 sarah_van_allen@gallup.com
BBL
Okay bring it on, I am ready for a fight now. This is the last straw. I have had it with these OB robots and the ONC. I am sick to death of this.
It is time for a new party, a party for the people by the people.
oh, peace
#7 TexasTigress
It’s good news to hear that your sister is joining. I am from the Muncie, IN area and we could use more Mid-West PUMAs. Our leader for the Mid-West is Heneri (she’s from Indiana too, and she’s great).
If your sister is interested (OR IF ANYONE ELSE FROM THE MID-WEST IS INTERESTED) in joining the Mid-West PUMA group, my e-mail is hoosiermike.PUMA@gmail.com. I don’t want to give out Heneri’s without her permission, but feel free to e-mail me and I will pass along the information to her. Thanks.
Thanks for all the Birthday wishes to my dad, both on and off blog. Dad lives in KY, I am here in Indiana. I will be seeing him on Labor Day. By then we will know if we have been effective in our efforts. He is very excited that we are doing what we are doing.
Okay, I got lost in the basement. I’m reposting.
It seems to me that the MSM has become extremely defensive about its lack of curiosity re the Edwards affair. The fact that these rumors were known WHILE he was running for President exposes deep flaws in their judgement.
Maybe, just maybe, this will create a silver lining for us. The stench of BO’s Chicago corruption, nefarious meddling in Kenyan politics, etc. could lure more journalists to the trail.
Hannity keeps saying that 2008 is the year that Mainstream Media died. My guess is that there will be some looking for redemption and resurrection, even if it means bringing down the Messiah.
Hope this isn’t wishful thinking. Peace.
Another Bithday Hug for Henrietta’s Dad.
((((((((((You’re the Greatest))))))))))
Would someone please re-post Geraldine’s address?
Whatever pressure is being applied on Sen Clinton to give in to the devious plot of Obama and the DNC to throw her out of nomination must be tremendously heavy and could require great personal sacrifice to resist. We may not understand what kind of pressure that may be but she must be made to understand that she has a duty to the country and the people NOT to allow greed and corruption of Obama and the DNC to derail the noble objective of righting the wrong in society. There is a time to be a hero and that time is now. Accept the challenge of your supporters and demand that your name be put in nomination. Country before party.!
This deal with Rendell has my blood boiling folks. Never before have they tried so hard to count out a candidate–let alone one that won more of the popular vote than her opponent. This is unprecedented, and we can’t let them get away with it.
We need to double our efforts. Murphy–lead the way!!!
We have our torches and pitchforks ready, lets run em out of town on a rail!
38 GOSUEF4HIL
I really believe that the DNC rules are being re-written during this 5 week vacation and that it will be a part of their platform…Plus, what the heck happened to the Ethics Committee? Why haven’t any of the past allegations been resolved?
#18 mijabsnji- I am so sorry about your beloved pet. I know what it is like. I lost my Siberian Husky after 20 years. I had him longer than my kids lived at home ….It is very hard to lose that unconditional love they give. My heart goes out to you.
You know sometimes you just have to wonder if ‘these people’ are just trying to pi$$ us off even more! Getting going even more, I mean what are the thinking???!!
Anyway off to the beach to put out freds posters!
Thank you card done and now waiting to pounce some higher ups.
Peace brother and sister PUMA’s!
#40 HoosierMike Hi !!!! My sister is in Anderson ! Both my partner and I went to Ball State !!!!!! Go Cardinals ! Go Colts ! Go Pumas , Go Hillary !
Found on Yahoo:
Clinton told to cast Obama as un-american
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080812/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_campaign
I am posting the following message from just in case anyone missed the reference to it downstairs.
Howard Dean Schemes To Shut Down Democratic Convention
June 12, 2008 (LPAC)–The latest atrocity to come out of George Soros clone Howard Dean, is that the Democratic National Committee chairman is trying to shut the 18 million loyal Democratic and independent voters who supported Hillary Clinton out of the Denver convention altogether.
In addition to reports that the Obama campaign is pushing to actually unseat all the Clinton delegates and replace them with Obama loyalists, there are more recent reports that Howard Dean is trying to prevent any balloting for the Democratic nominee, and instead is trying to just ram through a voice vote for Obama, without a state-by-state roll.
#581 BrooklynNY on 08.12.08 at 9:47 am (from donstairs)
Thank you for the contact info for Sacha Millstone.
Just sent Ms. Millstone the following:
I was alarmed to see newspaper reports that you have been subject to not-so-veiled attempts by the Colorado Democrat Party to intimidate you into supporting Barak Obama over your preferred candidate, Senator Clinton. These kind of tactics are fascist in nature and your willingness to stand strong in the face of this cheap trick is admirable.
I read about your situation on the http://www.blog.pumapac.org where you are fast becoming a folk hero of sorts — rightly so!
Keep your chin up. You are not alone.
Description and info on CO Dem Party organization and players now, post-Obama, i.e. Second Coming of the Lord. (Follow up on the Sacha Milleston info posted above)
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http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/obama/obamagenco.html
Obama General Election Campaign Organization, Colorado, updated July 23, 2008
(1). Obama for America
(2.) Campaign for Change
(3.) Colorado Democratic Party
TO: All Clinton Delegates
FROM: Mary Isenhour
Executive Director
DATE: August 11, 2008
RE: Nomination
DATE: August 11, 2008
RE: Nomination
If anyone approaches you about signing a petition to place Senator Clinton’s name in nomination at the Democratic National Convention, ( SIGN THE PETITION TO EXERCISE YOUR PERSONAL RIGHTS) the Governor has asked me to ask you to refrain from signing such a petition (TO GIVE UP YOUR INALIENABLE RIGHTS TO VOTE YOUR CONSCIOUS) until we know what Senator Clinton and Senator Obama have worked out (THAT THE THREATS TO BANNISH HILLARY CLINTON FROM THE PARTY HAVE SUCCEEDED). As always, please feel free (FREE??? FREE???) to let me know (SNITCH ON HONEST AMERICAN DELELGATES AND VOTERS) if you have any questions ( BUT THEY OWE YOU NOTHING BUT SECRECY, DIVERSIONS AND OPPRESSION OF YOUR RIGHTS).
PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT
Your prowl is in the mail.
This is essential work that you are doing. Take courage and do the work.
Be sure to come back and brag. We need the support and motivation.
Mama
Well what the he$$ is Rendell an a$$ or what I have had it with all of the men in leadership they are liars or cheating at every thing and the lady ho’s that are in the party in leadership like Nancy and Barb Boxer and etc can kiss off McCain will get my vote now even if they put God on the ticket with THE ONE. Bunch of low lifes IMO
I just got through on the Curtis Slywa show in NYC responding to the Wolfson premise about Iowa. My main objective was to mention Puma. Mission accomplished.
Good morning, this is totally un-democratic, how far this people can go? Can you imagine NoName in the WH pulling crap like this?
Murphy, I do not know how to make flyers about this , but I belive that before the convention we should pass flyers on this matter. People needs to know what kind of bull they are trying to pull before the convention.
Morning Read:
(The Politico) This story was written by Glenn Thrush.
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A few weeks back, Time magazine was musing that John McCain was in danger of sliding from “a long shot” to a “no-shot.” Around the same time, a hard-nosed former Hillary Clinton insider declared the race “effectively over” thanks to the McCain campaign’s ineptitude, the tanking U.S. economy and Barack Obama’s advantages in cash, charisma and hope. And Obama, up by three to six points nationally, was about to leverage a much-anticipated trip to Iraq, Afghanistan and Europe into a pre-convention poll surge.
Instead, his supporters are now suffering a pre-Denver panic attack, watching as John McCain draws incrementally closer in state and national polls – with Rasmussen’s most recent daily national tracker showing a statistical dead heat.
Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton has been privately enumerating her doubts about Obama to supporters, according to people who have spoken with her. Clinton’s pollster Mark Penn recently unveiled a PowerPoint presentation red-flagging Obama’s lukewarm leads among white female voters and Hispanics – while predicting a five-point swing could turn a presumed Obama win into a McCain landslide.
“It’s not that people think McCain will win – it’s that they are realizing that McCain could win,” says Quinnipiac University pollster Peter Brown, whose surveys show tight races in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida. “This election is about Barack Obama – not John McCain – it’s about whether Barack Obama passes muster. Every poll shows that people want a Democratic president, the problem is they’re not sure they want Barack Obama.”
Obama’s aides point to the stability of his small national lead, say they aren’t worried about his summer stall and think his numbers will improve when voters begin tuning in to the conventions.
“This is a country that is looking for a fundamentally different direction and John McCain offers nothing but the status quo,” said spokesman Bill Burton, adding that he wasn’t “losing any sleep” over his boss’s rough patch.
The campaign’s confidence may turn out to be justified but two weeks prior to the national convention there are more than a few worrisome signs for Obama. Here are seven:
1. Race. “The idea that Obama was going to win in a blowout was always preposterous,” says former Nebraska senator and onetime presidential hopeful Bob Kerrey, an Obama backer. “A big piece of this, of course, is whether white people are going to support a black guy… If [Obama] is a tall, skinny white guy named Paul Jones it’s a different story.”
Obama is running nearly neck-and-neck with McCain among white voters in most polls, a major cause for optimism considering that John Kerry and Al Gore lost the white vote by 17 and 12 points respectively. Among whites, he does well with women, the affluent and college grads but fares poorly among low-income earners and Catholics – key swing groups that handed Hillary Clinton stunning blowouts in West Virginia and Kentucky.
How much does his race factor into tightening contests in Missouri, Wisconsin, Florida, Minnesota and Ohio? Nobody knows – and that’s the problem.
A huge challenge for Obama, insiders say, is simply determining how much skin color will matter in November. Race is nearly impossible to poll – no one ever says “I’m a racist” – and no campaign wants it revealed they are even asking questions on the issue.
“It’s the uncertainty that kills me – we know it’s going to be factor, but how big a factor?” asks a Democratic operative with ties to the Obama camp. “How do you even measure such a thing?
Adding to the jitters: GOP surrogates like New York Rep. Pete King have vowed to make Obama’s relationship with Rev. Jeremiah Wright a enterpiece during the homestretch.
2. Obama’s strength in Virginia may be overhyped. His chances of ending the Democrats 44-year losing streak in the commonwealth are pretty good – thanks to the explosive growth of the liberal D.C. suburbs, and a 147,000 spike in voter registration sure to benefit Democrats. But Obama’s aides privately concede his odds in Virginia are probably no better than 50-50 and that the state is far from a lock-solid hedge if he loses Ohio and Florida.
3. Michigan’s in play for McCain. In the year of the downturn, the hard-hit upper Midwest should be prime Obama country. Instead it’s a potential minefield. Obama is still ahead by two to five points here – similar to margins of victory enjoyed by Gore and Kerry in the last two presidential contests- but McCain has quietly crept up over the past month and could vault ahead if he anoints ex-Gov. Mitt Romney. Simmering tensions between predominantly-black Detroit and its white suburbs could hurt Obama. And McCain’s surrogates were handed a gift in the jailing of Obama supporter Kwame Kilpatrick, Detroit’s mayor.
“Watch Michigan — the Democrats think they’ve got it but they don’t,” says Quinnipiac’s Peter Brown, a longtime Michigan observer. “Obama should be killing [McCain] there, but there’s a lot more racial tension in Michigan than in other states.”
Obama also hasn’t pulled away in other Democrat-friendly neighboring states, watching leads in Wisconsin and Minnesota erode over the last month.
4. Bad times could be good for McCain. If anger helps Democrats, fear advantages Republicans. A growing number of Democratic strategists worry that some swing state voters may opt for McCain if the economy veers from merely awful to downright terrifying. The typical political calculus – that bad economic times will deliver the White House to Democrats – may not hold if people start viewing the downturn as, essentially, a national security crisis that can’t be entrusted to a novice. And that was McCain’s underlying message in his Paris Hilton ad: Bank failures, soaring gas prices and plummeting house values are forms of economic terrorism and he’s an all-purpose anti-terror warrior.
“John McCain is a known quantity,” says Bob Kerrey, who thinks Obama will ultimately prevail. “You don’t look at John and say, ‘Who the heck is he?’ he’s a veteran, he’s a guy who got pretty banged up in Vietnam. He can deal with crisis. There’s some uncertainty about Senator Obama.”
The good news for Obama, of course, is that McCain – who infamously admitted he “never understood” economics – is loathed by unions, was somnambulant at the dawn of the housing meltdown and still gropes for a coherent economic policy that doesn’t include the words “offshore drilling.” But he doesn’t have to win the argument, just reinforce doubts about Obama with wavering swing state voters. The Illinois senator still enjoys a major edge on the economic issues, but his 20-point June lead on the who-can-best-fix-the-economy question slipped to a 17-point edge in July, according to the Pew Research Center.
“Obama wins on the economy,” said Guy Cecil, Hillary Clinton’s field director during the primaries. “But it will be interesting to see if McCain’s able to close the economic gap.”
5. Where have you gone, Ross Perot? Bill Clinton, the lone two-term Democratic president since FDR, wouldn’t have been elected if independent Ross Perot hadn’t siphoned 19 percent of the vote in 1992. Former Georgia Rep. Bob Barr, staging an indie bid from McCain’s right, has little cash and doesn’t seem to be a factor in competitive states.
6. The Legacy of LBJ, Jimmy and Bubba. Barack Obama would have been a trailblazer no matter what – but the Deocrats’ trail to the White House has been remarkably narrow since 1960, accommodating only southern whites with border-state strength: Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. (Add Al Gore if you’re counting the popular vote.)
7. Americans may want divided government. Some Democratic operatives think a possible landslide for their party in congressional races could backfire on Obama.
“Fairly or not, folks think he’s pretty liberal and nobody wants a pair of Pelosi’s running things,” says a New York-based Democratic consultant.
Adds Bob Kerrey: “The country’s still pretty divided… people may want a divided government. They want change but I’m not sure that the Democratic agenda has the support of a majority of Americans.”
The Democratic Party has become america’s Party of Defeat and Betrayal. It is dying, if not dead. Out of it’s ashes rises the Phoenix….known as PUMA. Throughout history, movements have been bron out of chaos and evolved into something useful and of noble purpose.
IMHO, I believe to move on we have to accept that the Democratic Party which once represented the values we hold dearest, was infiltrated by users with only their selfish interests at heart, and has imploded.
All life is about transitions. There are endings, sometimes quite painful. There is a middle ground, a neutral space which can be equally painful, and confusing.
But after the rain, the sun will shine again and their is a rebirth, a new beginning. Let us believe that day is here.
#55 MamaPuma
THANKS MAMA!!!
What does Larry Johnson know that he said will be released next wk that will bring BO down? I read where someone posted that about Larry Johnson last night, and never heard anymore.
This is simply disgusting. But maybe it is what it will take for the people to rise up and take our country back. Each person must search their own conscience….and decide whether they are going to follow the sheperd…or the sheep.
Middle age female,
who is Larry Johnson?
I can’t believe how may of for Hillary backers have sold their souls to *61. Rendell was one of her most vocal backers, now he is nothing more than another DNC hack.
I wonder if the word democracy even crosses the DNC’s
minds???
WE HAVE TO GET OUR PARTY BACK!!!!
TOPIC: Rendell
This is outrageous!!
On the bright side, thank you for keeping us awake about this kind of thing, Murphy, I sense we’re ready to take this on, in a big way.
PUMA’s from Pennsylvania: why not call your local talk show hosts today, and clue them in.
Everyone have a productive & beautiful day. Go, PUMAS!
TO: All Clinton Delegates
FROM: Mary Isenhour
Executive Director
If anyone approaches you about signing a petition to place Senator Clinton’s name in nomination at the Democratic National Convention, the Governor has asked me to ask you to refrain from signing such a petition until we know what Senator Clinton and Senator Obama have worked out.
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,,,, “until we know what Senator Clinton and Senator Obama have worked out.”
Could that be code for, hush for awhile, Obama is going to beg Senator Clinton to be his vice-president?
What is it that makes a party, a Party? Is it possible for PUMA to evolve from a PAC to a full-fledged Party, with Hillary Clinton as out candidate for POTUS( to appear on the ballot and bypassing Dean and his cohorts), perhaps Murphy as VP or Secretary of State?
Is the idea so farfetched?
#592 TexasTigress on 08.12.08 at 9:57 am
You’re very welcome. I am glad to do it and glad to hear you are as incensed as I am regarding CO DNC intimidation tactics.
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#52 just.words… on 08.12.08 at 10:48 am
You’re very welcome. Love your letter. It’s excellent. Well expressed and right on point! Great job! (Wow. You don’t waste any time, do you?!!!)
Hi everyone! I am Texas Tigress’ lil sis. I have a lot of reading to do here, but I wanted to say hello!
#68 TerryDo… Ever been in an abusive, controlling destructive – no end to the abuse in sight relationship???
Well, the “new democratic party” is eaxctly what it acts, sounds looks, and feels like.
Good Morning Pumas!
I just wrote my letter to Geraldine Ferraro and told her she was my hero and to keep up the good fight.
Governor Rendell: What are you doing???!!!
Good morning. My last post was at 3 something EDT and I truly was alone – how scarey to be in PUMAville without PUMAS. Now I’m stretching and ready to slink through the day. Anyone who missed my PUMA bedtime story last night can go back and read it tonight.
Thanks, Murphy, for another great day.
***Letter to Geraldine***
Ms. Geraldine:
I want to personally thank you for taking a stand for myself, my daughters, and my granddaughter by telling national television that the double standards must stop against women in competitions
Thank You
Sincerely
Sounds like the Dems are in the midst of Destruction Derby (Rendell, O without a script, and threatening delegates). One of these times, they’re going to go tooooooooooooooooooooo far.
#64 Doria:
I agree with you that however convoluted Rendell is just following the party line. We just have to let him know we don’t like it.
I am wondering if maybe we should send out some mass mailings to superdelegates urging them to ignore Gov. Rendell’s request to subvert the democratic process and for them to go ahead and vote their conscience and/or for the candidate most likely to win, i.e NOT OBAMA!
I think that might be a nice companion prowl to the Rendell one, so that he knows that his order is being challenged BY THE PEOPLE and the superd’s know we object to his attempt to manipulate the process and subvert the will of the people.
71 wontbackdown on 08.12.08 at 11:08 am #68 TerryDo… Ever been in an abusive, controlling destructive – no end to the abuse in sight relationship???
Well, the “new democratic party” is eaxctly what it acts, sounds looks, and feels like.
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Can’t say I have ever been in a abusive relationship, I have to much of a knee jerk reaction to situations to tolerate attacks.
Well I could be wrong but if I am and that is what they are doing they aredefinitely in a SELF-DESTRUCTION MODE, because they will never ever win in November.
Since Obama made this campaign a ‘race’ issue, the polls have shown him and McCain to be in a ‘dead heat’. But that is in the polls. Out here in the real world Obama is down, big time, very big time.
#8 Maryland PUMA
Why so negative so early in the AM.
#55 MamaPuma if it’s been mailed I didn’t get it yet, I’ll check back in a minute otherwise I’ll need it send to me.
#75 halligan~~~And which time will taht be? Will people ever emphatically say it has? What does it take, for crying out loud? Haven’t there been enough corrupt shenanigans already?
PEACE & LOVE TO ALL THE PUMAS!
For anyone that is interested:
Governor Edward G. Rendell’s Office
225 Main Capitol Building
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania 17120
Phone: (717) 787-2500
Fax: (717) 772-8284
E-mail the Governor’s Office
http://sites.state.pa.us/PA_Exec/Governor/govmail.html
Just spoke with a man named Shannon . I was directed to him from Rendells office . I spoke with him for at LEAST 15 minutes , and a LOT of the points I made he ‘could not comment on ” ( ie, he agrees with me /us) as far as the Rendell letter , he basically said that ” If Hillary comes out and SAYS she wants to be in the roll call ” all bets are off and Rendell will back her 100% …. He was SHOCKED , however that the memo was out and asked how I got it .. I declined to comment , but did let him know that Pumas all have it . Thanks to wontbackdown having just posted it and I didn’t have to scroll anywhere , I was able to read it to him . Overall , I just got the feeling that Rendell’s office isn’t really behind the memo , and they are doing what the DNC has instructed them to do …. Maybe the DNC should be mynext call ….
My note to Ms. Ferraro:
Dear Ms. Ferraro,
I would like to say a quick thank you for speaking out against the double standard held by the press and the DNC of Senator Hillary Clinton throughout the primary season.
I am proud to stand by you and your convictions that it is way past the time to recognize women as equals, at all levels, in this country.
You are in inspiration and a true champion of women’s rights.
Thank you.
A-Will
XO= NOBO
#82 Mountain Song
Who knows? Usually its the cummulative thing that works? One little thing after another. In fact, time is a friend, not an enemy. In O’s case, the more he says, does, and appears, the worse it gets.
What a hump Rendell has become…I hope PA gives him the boot first chance they get!!
#18 Sorry for your loss….will light a candle for Rasta.
http://www.rainbowbridge.com/Poem.htm
I hope that the new President (whomever that may be), that they let out those two border guards who does not belong in prison, its seems that the msm doesnt even report it any more, I know its alittle off target here, but I want to know how much compassion is out there.
TREEPUMA
Feels like the Democratic Party has morphed into the new and improved Nazi Party. Are PUMA’s to be the ones purged?
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200809/hillary-clinton-campaign
interesting article
This is an all day prowl
PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT
Your prowl is in the mail.
This is essential work that you are doing. Take courage and do the work.
Be sure to come back and brag. We need the support and motivation.
Mama
PUMA ALERT:
check the Hillbuzz:
http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/breaking-if-obamas-name-is-really-barry-soetoro-his-primary-results-are-all-disqualified-and-he-is-not-the-nominee/
Spread the word fast and loud!
We are Spartan PUMAs! grrrr!
#86 TexasTigress YOU ARE LIKE MY HERO, I didn’t even think about that, I’ve just been soo mad lately with the post yesterday about not having any roll call today’s post. I’ve got to stop letting things bother me I guess get a clear head and take charge like you did.
Received this “draft” press release this morning, too long to post all…so what part of NOBAMA, do they not understand!?!?!
“Press release Failure is Impossible and Women acknowledge a great leader who never gives up
The former First Lady will join Michelle Obama and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi at the event at the Sheraton Court Hotel, 1550 Court Place according to Emily’s list supporters at 2:00pm on Tuesday.
One of the jobs of convention officials is to heal any remain rifts that have prompted some Clinton supporters to say they may not vote for Obama.”
And they think we are “some”…millions and more each day! God, please expose *61 before the DNC Convention and right all the wrongs including MO remarks about Hillary during the primary! Thank you!
Peace to all PUMAS! Hillary in 2008!
#82 slyt2
email me at MamaPumaMass@aol.com
This has really upset me about Ed Rendell. I wonder if he’s doing this on his own or if the DNC, Brazille, Polosi and the rest of the presidential “selection” commitee
are now threatening him?
#82 slyt2 on 08.12.08 at 11:16 am #55 MamaPuma if it’s been mailed I didn’t get it yet, I’ll check back in a minute otherwise I’ll need it send to me.
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Same here slyt2, perhaps we have been bad pumas and we are not allowed out of the den anymore. (smile)
PEACE!
#70 BrooklynNY on 08.12.08 at 11:05 am
Appreciate your positive feedback.
I think this Sacha Millstone story is potentially HUGE and could have a significant “lightning rod” effect with sympathetic media types.
I have just sent Hannity, O’Reilly and Limbaugh the following link (which includes a local news clip with a VERY impressive Sacha Millstone stating her case against TOTALITARIAN tactics):
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/17163668/detail.html?rss=den&psp=news
First time here! Puma member since June. Love to read your comments. I always want to ask why isn’t anybody looking into Obama’s money sources.
Food for thought
PUMAs
I have a question for you.
What is the count of pledged delegates for
Senator Clinton
Senator Obama
What would it be if Michgan and Florida were fully counted and awarded to the candidate according to the state rules?
Senator Clinton
Senator Obmama
How many super delegates are there?
What would the delegate count be is their votes were awarded by the same rules that award pledged delegates.
Senator Clinton
Senator Obama
Thanks
I know that you smart PUMAs will know the answers.
Mama
Just got off of the phone from the PA Democratic Party. I was transferred there by phne from Rendell’s office.
The woman listened! She was quite sympathetic, in fact. She let me voice my “outrage”.
I told her that I was outraged by the letter and it was, in my opinion it was merely a veiled threat of the more blatant one leveled at Colorado’s delegate.
I said, it has all of the apperances of a “dictatorship” not a “democratic party” and that if this continues, I will spend the rest of my life defeating this party’s candidates for their participating – passively, covertly and overtly in wilfully and intentionally usurping the rights of American Voters by oppressing, threatening and controlling their delegate representatives.
I told her to please remind PA democratic party leaders that Delegates represent the People – the voters of their state – and not some political agenda that has nothing to do with the INTENDED VOTES OF THE PEOPLE!
She listened for 4 minutes and 22 seconds – I ended the call telling her thank you for hearing me out!
She said “she understood and would relay the message and that they had been getting a lot of calls on it and understand that people are really angry about it.”
I called Rendell’s office. I was then switched to the National Campaign, where the mMan answering the phone said Rendall did this because he has been speaking with Hillary and they are waiting for her to say she wants a roll call vote…. or some such gibberish. I told them to be aware because 18 million of us are not pleased …. and that I left the Democratic Party over the issue of how the Party has handled this election.
Then I called Lance. The gal said no voice message machine and I left my name and number for a return call, saying I wanted them to understand they are upsetting 18 million invested voters….
Also, I sent the card to Geraldine. Great idea Murphy!
Bpamacratic party threatens Hllary’s delegates – one came public
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/obamas-party-threatens-hillarys-delegates-shut-up-and-vote-obama/
Re-read the memo of Mary Isenhour. What gall ! The Obama camp must be in panic, seeing how the efforts of the PUMAs to get Sen. Clinton nominated as Democratic candidate for President – are creating huge waves of support across the land.
#100 TerryDo i’m telling ya this is twice now. I’m not feeling the PUMA love anymore.. lol
TerryDo and Slyt, I havent got it either
FOX is full of BS .
71 Caracal Carrie
Hi Carrie – nice to see you here.
#8 Maryland PUMA on 08.12.08 at 10:07 am
[[Today is Peace and Power Day in honor of Wizard and Firebelle’s friend Jim.]]
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Maryland, how wonderful of you to honor two special people in this way.
Let us all honor each of our friends and loved ones with peace among Pumas and power in our movement.
#101 just.words… on 08.12.08 at 11:30 am
Excellent, just.words! You beat me to the punch. I was just about to do likewise! Will go ahead and do it also. I think I will add Cavuto to the list. He seems to love that stuff. His big question seems to be: “Is the Democratic Party really united?” Obviously, not, if Rendell et al have to go to such lengths to cut all the potential defectors “from the reservation” off at the pass!
ok MamaPuma you should have mail..
Mamapuma
Including Florida and Michigan which Obama now acknowledges should count as per their original results, Democratic primary season ended with this result:
Obama, 1,711 pledged delegates, Clinton, 1,662, giving Obama a paltry 49 delegate lead out of more than 4000. Clinton won the popular vote with a 175,000 vote lead.
106 slyt2
((((((slyt2))))))
#71 Carrie
Wecome. Look around, grab a chair. You will helping to shape history.
#114 1gypsy4mc ohhhhhhhh now i’m feeling it. thanks
Maryland please remove my name oops!
I’m seeing no other choice than to vote for McCain. Just have a feeling that Hillary just isn’t going to go for it. And the ‘Party” officials are not listening to us.
They’ve already taken ‘under God’ out of the pledge. If Obama is elected theyu can insert ‘under Satan’. And the idea of that hate-monger, MO in the White House is an abomination.
We haven’t seen anything yet….wait til after the conventions to see the gloves come off. It’s going to get really dirty, I’m afraid.
MSM is all about brainwashing now and they are totally out of touch when it comes to how many people are against Obama.
I called Gov. Rendell’s office and was transferred to the Pennsylvania Dem. office. Before I could get a word out I was fussed at by a man who refused to give me his name. He talked over me and then hung the phone up in my face.
I called Rendell’s office again to complain about the rudeness I encountered. His office told me they were getting “so many phone calls” that they were transferring them over to Penn. Dem. headquarters.
I told Rendell’s office I am sorry, but unless Senator Clinton is allowed to have her name placed in nomination and on roll call vote, it will cause a back-lash effect and be considered discrimination against a Female candidate.
And, Florida is going McCain thanks to Dean and the other party elite.
Carrie , make sure you sign up for the prowls . I forwarded you todays – also , check out the blogroll and make sure you see Trish’s new video , and all the Puma videos on you tube . Link anyone ???
Peace
Hmmmmm….I thought FOX did a good job in letting everyone know about the memos and Hillary would finish her campaign as POTUS. Did I miss something?
means peace
wow and I use to really really like Rendell… i hate the donkey now !!!
#71 Caracal Carrie Oh i’m sorry didn’t see your post there welcome and your sister she is awesome and as I stated like my hero. Glad to have you aboard and I’m sure your love here .
We are getting a lovely rain shower here and it has been rare lately. Going to take a walk in the rain.
Have a great day PUMAS.
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TRISH NEW VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TscHyh6t2Ng
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#117 prplvette85 … nice one!
wontbackdown , thanks for sharing your call . it seems like you got the same kind of response I did . I really think this is coming from beyond Rendell’s office and their state party .
120 good job
102 MamaPuma on 08.12.08 at 11:33 am
PUMAs
I have a question for you.
How many super delegates are there?
What would the delegate count be is their votes were awarded by the same rules that award pledged delegates.
Senator Clinton
Senator Obama
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The statement below is from this website you may find more answer on their site.
http://www.demconwatchblog.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html
There are 823.5 total Democratic super delegate votes that the nominees are trying to be endorsed by.
This consists of 792 superdelegates with full votes and 63 superdelegates with 1/2 votes (29 from MI, 26 from FL, 8 from DA), for 31.5 votes.
We will continue to add the unpledged add-ons as soon as they are named by each state. (Note: Florida, Michigan and Democrats Abroad superdelegates get 1/2 vote each, so there are actually 855 superdelegates casting 823.5 votes).
Flasunshiner
wow, really getting their knickers in a twist!
hehehe
Mama,
I have a count of 847 SD’s
237 are still supporting Hillary
516 are suppoting Bo
and 94 undecided
does anyone know how many delegates have sighed ?
What I would really love to know is how many superdelegates have been threatened, cajoled, intimidated, harassed, blackmailed, bribed, bullied, strong-armed into supporting BO despite their will/better judgment, etc.
I’d like to know who they are and what was done to them. I’m sure there are plenty and I’m sure they aren’t happy about it.
I wish there was some way for them to be surveyed, polled, interviewed (by media, anonymously or on record and/or by polling organizations, or whatever other creative means might be available).
What a story that would be for some conscientious investigative journalist (if such a thing exists these days)!
#125 Wontbackdown- Thanks! I am honored to hear that from one of our Puma master writers lol
#100 TerryDo
#107 tree
and anyone else that does not receive the prowl but has joined PUMApac
write me at MamaPumaMass@aol.com
Mama
125 Fiona
Yeah ! The guy from the Pennsylvania Dem Party was so aggressive and rude he tried to throw the “Roe v Wade” card…and when I caught him on it… bam the phone was slammed in my face.
I think they are scared of us which I take as a very positive sign.
#128 TerryDo
Have they not decided to reinsate the 1/2 delegates ?
Has that not happened yet ???
Thanks Firebell!
I am trying to catch up on all of the information provided on this site.
I was an Obama supporter from the start. My illusions of honor in the campaign have been burst in the wake of his audacity and I have finally seen the light. I have just gone to the FISA links on my Obama 08 memberships and posted some wake up calls with some links to info..
Hoping we can “Be the change we wish to see in the world”
Welcome Carrie glad to have you aboard ?
136 prowlland on 08.12.08 at 11:53 am #128 TerryDo
Have they not decided to reinsate the 1/2 delegates ?
Has that not happened yet ???
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From what I understand Obama has requested that they be reinstated but the RBC is still working on it and will probably decide the night before the Denver Convention. There is a method to their madness.
#137 Caracal Carrie
Welcome and we’re happy you saw the light
Pumas , FYI -Caracal Carrie has a son in Iraq .
prowlland you can go on Ed Hales website and get Momma E’s email address she may know I don’t know for sure but it’s worth a try.
Caracal Carrie – a big Puma welcome to you. I really appreciate your willingness to look past the hype.
142 she wont tell us…lol
or wouldn’t at one time
Comment # 65
Larry Johnson has a site that is called No Quarter, http://noquarterusa.net . Look it over, he has many great articles, ideas and information on several topics.
He along w/Texas Darling have been digging into the duel citzenship of Barack/Barry and his birth certificate, and how this can change the status of his nomination. In my personal opinion this is where PUMA should be trying to get to the Super D’s about…you think everyone knows about this but do they? What idiots will they be when it hits the MSM and they did nothing to stop this candidate. How would this look on their judgement skills? It could be bigger than watergate .
It is said, not that I know for a fact, that the Republicians have his real birth certificate, and information that he used a passport that was not an American one on his travels. I have not seen these docs on any site, so I can not send you where you can see these items that the other party says it has.
When President Clinton was interviewed on ABC, his comment that Barack/Barry is qualified if he meets the gualifications that are set by the constitution was a strange line, but perhaps he knows something.
No Quarter is a great site, as is Hillbuzz, they both give alot of information on Barack/Barry that should hit MSM sometime…hopefully before the convention.
Caracal Carrie, welcome. And may your son be safe in Iraq.
#120 Flasunshiner… I got a young woman when transferred – she was really accomodating of my call.
P.S. I forgot to mentioned that she she reiterated that it was meant to give consideration and time for “Senator’s Obama and Clinton’s efforts to work things out”
I said “Good, their working it out – whatever “it” is has nothing to do with how delegates and voters vote…
I should not have to be one to remind our government representatives – our senators were hired by voters, they work for voters and can be fired by voters. And if they want to keep the latter from happening – perhaps they should allow delegates to do their jobs of representing those voters.”
Caracal Carrie,
Welcome to the Puma Family. We are so happy you are here!
Just jump right in with all four paws….
Welcome Carrie!
Sent my note to Geraldine Ferraro. Will try to make calls today…..working though – not sure if I can.
I cannot believe what has happened to our party. Time to get involved and look into starting our own party!
“it has become increasingly clear that the DNC and the Obama campaign would much prefer Clinton to efface herself again by conceding her right as the runner-up in the delegate race to ask the that her name be put in nomination by the Chair. If Clinton were to make such a request, it would be politically unpleasant for Obama or Dean to deny her the same privilege given to past candidates, like Shirley Chisolm, Jesse Jackson, and Ted Kennedy. The fact that Clinton received vastly more delegates than any of those past candidates would make the snub even more outrageous.”
Hillary,your legacy shall shine bright if you ask the that your name be put in nomination by the Chair.If you do not you will lose much respect from those that supported you.
Caracal Carrie,
I will keep your son in my thoughts and prayers.
Caracal Carrie, Welcome. Please thank your son for his service.
Hi notyoursweetie!
everyone, be sure to check out this blog daily. It is FULL of excellent info and writing:
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/obamas-party-threatens-hillarys-delegates-shut-up-and-vote-obama/
FYI: John McCain to speak shortly at PA town hall meeting on FOX.
re#133
more than you think have been bullied one way or another
Ain’t that sweet, George Clooney is now one of unofficial adviser of NOBAMA about the Middle East. Nobama is so smart!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1043164/How-Clooney-offers-good-friend-Obama-advice-issues-body-language-Iraq.html
#138 Caracal Carrie… WOW CARRIE!
I just got chills – and my name isn’t Chris Mathews.
Please tell your son: Thank You! His service to our country will never be in vain.
Did he send this to all of her delegates or just the ones in P ?
mimi1020 — and others, if you can’t make calls, FAX your message to Ed Rendell.
Tell him to QUIT PRESSURING DELEGATES TO FALL IN LINE AND NOT VOTE AT THE CONVENTION!
Be sure to say you’re a member of Puma PAC.
FAX is: 717-772-8284
DO NOT LET UP ON THE PRESSURE! THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
Welcome Carrie…I greet you with open paws.
148 wontbackdown
I think I caught them at a bad time. They did say they were getting a lot of calls…and they sounded frustrated.
#155 Firebelle Puma on 08.12.08 at 12:04 pm
Thanks for the tip. Will watch.
BTW, so sorry to hear about the loss of your friend the other day. My condolescences to you and to all those who share your loss.
Well I am glad everyone here is so nice because I have just become incredibly unpopular on the Obama site LOL..
Thanks so much for all of your well wishes for my son.
ATTENTION Pensylvania Members:
I just talked with Mary Isenhour, IN PERSON. She tells me that she wants to hear this from PA people. That Indiana, Kansas, etc don’t count. We has maybe a 5 or 6 minute discussion. She tells me that she and Gov. R. are both still supporting Hillary. I said: OH? Asking people not to place her name in nomination is supporting her? She said until Hillary signs the petition, she will stand her ground.
The conversation was very heated. We agree that Hillary would make the best president. She said she took off 8 weeks from her job to campaign for Hillary. Then I asked her: Why then are you quitting now? Why aren’t you and the Governor pressuring the party and Hillary to join the fight for the nomination? She could not really answer that.
I informed her that our votes belong to us, not the party. That we are more than 18 million strong, and that according to the polls, there are about 7 million of us who are not planning to vote for Obama. That seemed to get her attention.
I hope I did some good. Goooooooooo! PA PUMAS and do your prowl. When they transfer you to the campaign office, ask for Mary.
re#163
im curious what did you say that made you so unpopular on the obama site??
maybe we could use some of your material
#145 prowlland are you talking to me, I was post #143 but if you were that sucks. You’ve got mail again MamaPuma
#162 BrooklynNY
Thank you for your condolences.
McCain is talking now about the conflict in Georgia, giving some interesting background on the provence and its significance in world history.
#134 prplvette85… “Master Writer” LOL!
That was my dream as a child – Now, I am just a wanna-be with a lot of pent up passion and ruler marks on the back of my hand!
I wanted to write to the Clintolinton Dels. to tell them that we know about the memo , and we will not tolerate these kind of strong-arm tactics that the party is using to supress the delegates right to sign petitions or to vote for Sen. Clinton . I also wanted to tell them that we support them and are putting Rendell and the DNC on notice that we are going to expose their subterfuge , manipulation , and intimidation . I went to lobbydel , and couldn’t get it to work . Does anyone have the Clinton dels. emails still ?
George Clooney?? Geezuz!
Caracal – That’s just like you to pick out the name of a kind of cat that I would have to freakin look up !!!!!!
The problem with clever people is that they don’t know when to stop being clever– and Senator Obama is a very clever man, perhaps “too clever by half” as the British say.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/the_galbraith_effect.html
Mama Puma,
I called Rendell’s office and spoke to a “Victor”. I let him know I am an Independent voter in Texas and that I wanted to see Hillary’s name as an official candidate on the ballot. I spoke very softly and he listened to me. I told him Hillary ran a tough campaign here in Texas – to which he agreed!
Here’s what he told me: It is up to Hillary to declare her request as per the voters. He said she has until the “first gavel” hits at the DNC convention.
I also asked about the delegates and superdelegates and if their original votes for Hillary will remain untouched and be considered too. He said “yes”.
I ended up by telling him Thank you and God Bless You. He said the same.
good afternoon my PUMA family ! this email is for Murphy. This is my email, ibuyumu66@gmail.com.
Murphy I need to forward you an email I received from Cometa, to my surprise, she got my email address from previous posts.
i wish mccain would shut his mouth and stop the sabre rattling and threatening posture to russia..
americans are already sick and tired of war mongering thats why someone like obama could get into the whitehouse because americans are tired of wars that have damaged and drained our country..
so mccain shut up already with the war mongering!
Mama Puma
He did say the memo that went out “is” asking that the petition “not” be signed!!
well I am not an original YET. I posted links to the Puma site and merely suggested that if anyone else was tired of the back sliding double talk of the Obama campaign and wanted some answers to the question :what do we do now?” they get active!
Since Barack “claimed the nomination” many people in the site have expressed dismay and have even asked for a refund of campaign contributions..I gave them a place to go.
#164 Henrietta , WOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOO !
Way to go Henerietta! You told her!
I’ve called and gotten put on to the Democratic Party of PA and told them what I thought.
My dad was from PA so I used his old address and emailed the governor’s office and told him he was a disgrace to the Founding Fathers in Philadelphia by trying to twart democracy. I told him in no uncertain terms we will remember and not re-elect those who have not followed the will of the people in this primary season.
Wrote to Congresswoman Ferraro – she’s my new hero! She tells it like it is – she’s got spunk – and I love spunk!
I’m so angry this morning I could spit – but that’s not ladylike and we’re all just little, dumb ladies who support Hillary – aren’t we – JUST WATCH and see what we “little ladies” can do!
Just called to speak to Lance Simon, pleasant woman answered the phone and of course I went to his voice mail. So I left my message…
What a great day that we can change history!
Hillary in 2008! Peace
re# 177
way to go caracal!
171 TexasTigress
when looking back at the posts, I couldn’t see who wrote this but I made a bet with myself that it was you!!
#164 Henerietta…… PUMA WAVE!!! THANKS FOR POSTING IT! I LOVE IT! GOOD MOVE TO ASK FOR MARY!
#172 Asian4Hillary: Good read! Thanks for the Post!
Henrietta , There may be more Pa members than we think on here – For instance , if someone calling from Philly with the 19019 zip code , such as myself , may be able to get through to Ms. Isenhour more easily than someone from , oh , I don’t know , Texas …
I will make the call as soon as I can do it without yelling and screaming at these political thugs.
#18 mijabsnji
condolences to you,
peace for Rasta
#164 Henerietta on 08.12.08 at 12:10 pm
why does mary the memo lady say she wants to hear this from PA people?
What does that have to do with what they are trying to pull-an I missing something?
ok got my prowl , working up courage and gonna do it , now I got 3 numbers do I call them all???
#185 TexasTigress… I never mentioned I was from “Texas” and his office transferred me to the PA DP. I got a “live person”, but never thought to ask for “Mary”.
You are probably right, though. I am sure she would have asked me where I was from.
((((((( sly2)))))))) Just speak from your heart – you’re the BEST !
Called Rendall office. Expressed my dismay at the memo. The gentleman was polite but curt.
Funny thing everytime something like this occurs it makes it that much easier to vote for Mac. Any thoughts of sitting this one out have now been vanquished.
As per Marylands suggestion.
Peace.
I live in Pittsburgh PA and I called bright and early. I left a very strong message to that Governor of mine. I even threatened to have him impeached for not doing his job. I, told him that he hasn’t passed the budget or fixed the Property tax issue because he is to busy interfering in the Presidential election and he should be worrying about PA and not the thief Obama. I told him that if he stops the delegates from doing their jobs then I would hold him personally responsible for my vote being ignored. I would also make sure he faced impeachment. I am done playing nice with these elected pigs. They work for me and I want them to do what they are supposed to do.
189 slyt2
I never felt any animosity at all when I called. I just took a deep breath and acted like I was in church.
189 slyt2 on 08.12.08 at 12:29 pm ok got my prowl , working up courage and gonna do it , now I got 3 numbers do I call them all???
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I received my also sylt2, the letter suggest that you call all these numbers and there are (6) number.
#193 Hillarysmygirl08… WHOA! You go! PAers should really get their attention!
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#194 1gypsy4mc… LOL!
I think my call gives me more hope than I have ever had. IF the Governor and Mary are both still supporting Hillary, and still are working behind the scenes to get her elected, we have a chance. The Governor and Mary both have the clout to make a personal phone call to Senator Clinton to express what we discussed.
She said at one point: Just go on and elect McCain and get us another 4 years of the mess we are in.
I really got cooking then. I told her we DON’T WANT TO VOTE FOR McCAIN! That this is what my call is all about. That we WANT to vote for a competent person for president and that Obama is not up to the job. That she should be understanding that this is the purpose of our work. That IF we had all just resigned ourselves to vote for McCain, we would not be fighting so hard to nominate Hillary. She actually said she saw the logic in that.
Keeping the faith…………………………..
Heneri
#193 hillaryismygirl08 – Woooooooooo Hoooooooooooo ! You ROCK !
Peace
Carrie – I want to welcome you and send you well wishes for your son in Iraq. I also want to thank you for your active support on BO’s blog sites in support of true democracy. You must have a lot of courage to be willing to speak out against him on a blog site, as many of BO’s supporters do not always treat those who disagree with them with respect.
Murphy, MamaPuma, and everyone who contributes to our work, as always, thank you for all of your tireless work and dedication.
I hope to make my calls to Gov. Rendell’s office this afternoon.
Have a great day.
#193 Hillarysmygirl 08
what part of pittsburgh? I am in brentwood.
doria: #64
Please DO NOT mention names of people at the conference…..
You need to keep a level of confidentiality about who was there.
OMG, Murphy your killing me but I will make my calls(and reach my goal of 101 calls) , ok going into sly Puma mode .. Is everyone calling all 6 numbers… nevermind I’m stalling , ok Sly Puma will be back.
Does anyone else think this sounds nothing like Ed Rendell?
Rendell was at one time pushing her for VP, but I can’t imagine that he actually gave the order.
#197 Henerietta… Very impressive debate and your statements and responses so cool!
I love that: “we DON’T WANT TO VOTE FOR McCAIN! That this is what my call is all about. That we WANT to vote for a competent person for president and that Obama is not up to the job. That she should be understanding that this is the purpose of our work. That IF we had all just resigned ourselves to vote for McCain, we would not be fighting so hard to nominate Hillary.”
Well said… so well said!
#197 Henerietta on 08.12.08 at 12:36 pm
Well if they’re so intent in not having that happen then it’s UP TO THEM to make sure they offer a Democrat you CAN vote for!
It’s not on YOU; it’s on THEM!
Henri , that is the same position I took with the guy I spoke to !!!! I said , that anyone who thinks we want to elect John McCain is misinformed – WE WANT HILLARY , but ,due to the actions of the DNC , I will never support Obama .
Usually I lurk, but just wanted to say, that I wrote my note to Mrs. Ferraro. What strong and tenacious woman.
#206 TexasTigress… I second that position!
#113 BrooklynNY on 08.12.08 at 11:39 am
Neil Cavuto is a great idea — will e-mail him straight away. You are right, he has been following the PUMA movement with interest.
#206 TexasTigress… are you from Texas… your post #185 sounds like you are from Phiily???
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/why_barack_obama_will_not_win.html
Why Obama will not win.
OK, I have one more stupid question…that’s the gypsy in me.
IF the delegates signed the petition now, wouldn’t that mean they couldn’t openly switch at the convention? Maybe the delegates want to openly give their votes at the Convention – which may give Hillary more delegates. Can anyone understand what I’m asking?
Caracal Carrie:
“One less of them, one more of us”…
…Welcome to the pride!
I called Lance’s office too, was transferred to a man, I did not get his name, he was very nice and seemed very sympathetic, repeatedly stated that if and when Hillary publicly stated she wanted her name in nomination, it would be supported. I have my doubts but I decided to play by Anna’s rules and was much more courteous than I have been in the past.
I also followed up with an e-mail and am going to fax for good measure when I am done w/ this post.
203 pa dem
I hear ya…can’t understand all this …it amazes me what they will do for the party…which they think will help their personal golds (I guess )
My letter to Ed:
Dear Governor Rendell:
First, let me thank you for your long support of Hillary Clinton. I know you made a positive impact here to help her win PA. And I was very proud of both you and Mayor Michael Nutter when we were all at the Palestra with the Clinton family.
But, Governor, what has happened to that courage? Are we not allowed to engage in political discourse in this country anymore? If we do not agree with Senator Obama we must be ridiculed and silenced? Senator Clinton’s name needs to be put into nomination. With all due respect, last I heard, it was not up to the governor of any state to discourage people’s voices being heard at the national convention. Not to mention that their vote would not count.
Maybe just the governors should vote and not even bother with the pesky electorate. Or better yet, just those individuals who want Barack Obama should show up at the convention.
I voted for you twice. You have proven to be a good governor. But this action disappoints me. And actually scares me a little bit. This is America, but this looks like the beginning of a very slippery slope.
Please, continue to have the courage that you have displayed in the past by supporting your constituents, who overwhelmingly supported Hillary Clinton.
Thank you,
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We’re getting lots of press… and we’re also spreading the word about PUMApac, bringing more people in to our blog…
… which MEANS… lots of potential pumas checking us out and joining us… AND… a potential increase in the number of posts, making our already super-long threads perhaps even longer and more time-consuming to navigate.
Many regular pumas here (and many newcomers) are busy people! Sometimes, they may only have enough time to scroll down the posts quickly and SKIM, trying to find relevant topics or info.
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– How can we make things easier for newcomers and busy folks faced with a thread of several hundred posts?
- It’s been mentioned in posts from time to time (including last Friday), how much easier it would be if our posts were organized in topic-categories. There are pros and cons to having a Forum format here (like, it may dilute the energy of the ongoing free-form “chat”, etc). But as we have it now, navigating hundreds of posts for relevant info can be tough and frustrating sometimes, especially in our busier days (It can be overwhelming coming home from work to find over 1,000 posts to go through!).
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– One SUGGESTION is to, when appropriate, use headings or TOPIC lines… highlighted in bold (or in CAPS or with **asterisks**, etc)…
And/OR **highlight** (in bold or italics or w/*asterisks*, etc) the most important or main point(s) or info in your post… the key words or sentences… the gist-kernel(s)… (or the “news flashes,” etc). Make them “stand out” so in those busy days when we have to scroll down fast through the posts, we can quickly “get” what’s being discussed or find any relevant info (& stop to read where we need to).
– Also, to grab attention and increase readability use a variety of formatting and highlighters; ^^borders^^ (around whole post or sections), **short, concise paragraphs with spaces in between them …or… **present your points in LIST-form** (maybe with bullets or numbers)…
– Use attention-grabbing words (for whole post or sections), like: *ATTENTION!* or *ALERT!* or *NOTICE* or *FLASH!* or *TIP:* or *UPDATE:* or *TALKING POINT:*… etc.
– It would also help if you give us a brief summary or excerpts or description of whatever you’re putting a LINK to… or maybe LIST the main points of the article you’re linking, etc. (A puma suggested: Don’t paste the whole article in your post [unless it’s short]) Another tip from a puma: http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/08/11/were-back/#comment-90075
– AND… when you respond to another post (especially if it’s far up on the thread), please quote or succinctly paraphrase the part you are responding to [like: “#346 JaneDoePUMA; RE: what you said about…..” OR “#299 JohnDoePUMA; RE putting flyers in libraries…..” (unless it’s obvious in your response what the other post is about)]. It would save us a lot of time!
-You can also put a LINK to another post, even if it’s in a previous PUMApac thread.
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hi Gypsy and all . Hope all is well with you all and those you love. poping in and out today so much to do so little time lol specially when you go as slow as me.
UMMM , technically , my house is in Texas , but for calls to democrats in pa , I maintain a philly zip code that I found on the internet in case I am asked where I’m from … By the way , I called back and was informed that they are ‘well aware of the concerns ‘ of our organization and that it is up to Sen. Clinton to decide if she wants her name in the nomination . Keep up the good work Pumas !!!!!!!!!
landi that is so super thanks from a non tecy
To Neil Cavuto, Fox News/Fox Business Channel:
This is a potentially HUGE story.
A very accomplished professional woman, Sacha Millstone — a Colorado delegate, who supports Hillary Clinton, has been threatened by her own Party elders.
She has hired an attorney to protect her from the intimidating, totalitarian tactics being employed by the Colorado Democrat Party:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/17163668/detail.html?rss=den&psp=news
Check out the local news story video link, as well. Ms. Millstone states her case very effectively, imho.
Andy Martin’s latest political memo to Hillary Clinton
Andy Martin on why Hillary Clinton should allow her name to be placed in nomination
http://www.pr-inside.com/andy-martin-on-why-hillary-clinton-r738078.htm
gypsy I think I understand what your saying but I think they are just after the needed amount the rest will still voice there s at convention. When they sign this it is in front of notory and they agree they will be there in person.
164 henrietta – way to go! glad to be on your team! thanks!
E-Mailed Rendell and sent the following to Geraldine Ferraro.
“It is difficult to find honesty and integrity in the political sphere these days. Thank you for proving the exception to the hypocrisy that seems to be norm among politicians.
I appreciate your candor in discussing both the racist and sexist aspects of the Democratic primary, especially for speaking out on behalf of women, as well as voters subjected to the calumny of being labelled “racist”.
There has been a constant threat that the United States will become a two-tier society of haves and have-nots. I think the contempt toward voters displayed by Senator Obama, his advisors, and the DNC leadership is a disturbing harbinger of the future, both for the party and the nation.
Thank you again, for rising above the spin and propaganda and for having the courage to tell the truth.”
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Thanks great tips, just copied and saved to my work file.
#220 just.words… on 08.12.08 at 12:51 pm
Great letter once again!
You sure are quick to the jump!
#220 justwords , can I steal that and send to other news orgs?
Do they know that she said she would sign it ???? come on they have to have the petion first …..
216 LandiPUMA
I DO NOT like the Topic Categories and I also feel that this would cause laziness on my part looking for new messages.
I DO think that we should have a “Suggestion Box”, so that everyone can submit and or/review them and possibly vote pro or con..This would keep suggestions from getting lost in the shuffle.
Wooooooooooo prowl complete
Spoke to a very young lady that stated that what “leaked” out to the media was wrong.Gov. Rendell only wanted Delegates to WAIT before they make a decision ,untill they find out what HRC and BO worked out. What a bunch of BULL !!
No prowl yet? Just fax to Rendell?
RE: PA RESIDENTS CONTACTING RENDELL
I lived in PA for 2 years several years ago. If I used my old address but faxed from my current fax machine (it and I no longer in PA) could the recipient tell it didn’t come from a PA location?
#230 tillerylakelady , the person I spoke to on the phone had the same EXACT memo as we do . It was not wrong … You are right , ‘what a bunch of BULL !’
Sounds like Rendell’s office has put together a canned response for the rest of the day. It figures.
Mmm, the wording of the e-mail is interesting. She writes, “…the Governor has asked me to ask you to refrain from signing such a petition until we know what Senator Clinton and Senator Obama have worked out.” I think they believe all Sen. Clinton could ask for now are certain concessions and that her campaign could possibly use some leverage to get a “few things” from the BO campaign. I don’t think they understand that we want the big prize- the presidential nomination for HC- not small concessions. They underestimated the electorate in May and they are still doing it. This is what I will be saying in some form or another in my letters to the superdelegates and others until the convention: Sen. Clinton is the most electable Democratic presidential candidate and she has earned the right to be the Party’s nominee. I don’t care how much money you’ve spent promoting Obama and that you’ve spent millions moving the Democratic offices to Chicago. We, the voters, are putting a stop to your runaway train. We are actually interested in winning the presidential elections in November. You, as party leaders, did not make a wise choice and your controlling manipulative behavior is destroying the Democratic Party. HC in ‘08!
O.K., I’ll get on the prowls now. I still need to do yesterday’s.
Have a good day,
Lara08
#229 1gypsy4mc
I agree , I like it exactly as it is, it’s easy to follow and I don’t have to spend time jumping from one thread to another. Tha’ts the one thing that irritated most on the HRC site.
#231 janelb1950 we are calling as well .
Gov. Rendell – I voted for you. Twice. As a citizen of the great state of Pennsylvania and a life-long Democrat, I am ASHAMED of your political bullying tactics. As an American, I will remember in November and at every election for as long as I have a breath left. Your actions are a clear demonstration of political cowardice at its lowest. THIS will be your legacy in Pennsylvania.
I call on ALL delegates to have the political courage that John F kenedy wrote about in Profiles of Courage, to cast your votes in Denver to reflect the will of the people by supporting Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton as the Democratic Nominee for the next president of the United States.
I call on ALL Pennsylvanians to protest this bullying by our governor – we will make our voices heard in Harrisburg and throughout America. We will not be silenced, we will not give in, we will not give up, we will NOT fall in line!
PUMA from Pennsylvania
I used this email address to send an email to Rendell and got an auto response back they received it.
http://sites.state.pa.us/PA_Exec/Governor/govmail.html
#18mijab..I am so sorry. I lost a 20+ year old ..Mr. Phil
cat friend about two years ago. I gave him a little funeral and buried him in the backyard under my fig tree. I hold you in the heart and send you a quiet hug.
I also sent a letter to hannity about what Rendell was doing
Good morning all,
Welcome Carrie.
Can’t stay as usual. work work work. Will try and head by the local dem party election headquarters today.
#21 Murphy. Did anyone notice in that article the phrase “lukewarm support of Hispanics.”?
What happened to his 65-70 % lead? I knew we were being fed a line of crap.
I know a lot of Mexican Americans and not one is voting for Carpathia. Not one.
Must go to work rock on PUMAS.
Anna7000 I think you’re right as for the rest of the day , but I KNOW we caught them with their pants down this morning ! Awesome prowl Murphy and mama , and AWESOME work Pumas !!!!
#227 TexasTigress on 08.12.08 at 12:52 pm
Would be honored to have you run with that post.
Go get ‘em!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
I also sent a letter to KDKA Radio and & TV in Pittsburgh about this too.
Focus of garychapelhill’s piece “WTF??!??” at Riverdaughter’s Confluence:
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/
“How Clinton’s Exit May Boost Obama”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080812/sc_livescience/howclintonsexitmayboostobama;
Note: They polled undergraduate students!
Excerpt:
“When the third candidate stayed in this virtual race, 72 percent of the participants chose that person, while nobody chose the target candidate. When the third option dropped out, more than 50 percent of those who originally selected that third option chose the target. None of the participants who had chosen the rival were swayed toward the target.”
Obama isn’t the official nominee. Can we let Rassmussen know that, and ask them to add her name to the mccain/obama polls?
What kills me about this is that, in the end, Clinton will do what she wants. To go out of his way to block an avenue to her nomination via delegate signatures is just so unbelievable. I was trying to figure out why he would do such a thing. I thought, well, he was a strong supporter of Clinton during the primaries, maybe he and she have been in contact and this is a little scheme to take the heat and pressure off of her with regard to her supporters if, indeed, she does not want her name to be placed in nomination but doesn’t want to alienate her most passionate supporters. But then I thought, no, that wouldn’t be necessary cause if she didn’t want her name to be placed in nomination she could allow that to be the outcome of these “negotiations”. But then I thought, but then that would make her supporters even more angry at BO. So then I thought, yeah, which could be a little underhanded way of letting BO take the heat. And then I thought, I can’t take any of this anymore.
Waiting to hear if my out-of-PA-state fax could be detected as such.
signing off,
overthinking
Does anybody know any philly stations?
#236 Trish , I agree , HRC was dificult to follow , and I am used to this site …. I am AFFRAID of ” CHANGE” !!!!LOL
PEACE
Rendell has become another Ricardson!
WHY are they afraid of the DNC?
Email sent.
222 jane-pa
So, is this sorta like putting the cart before we have the “heroin”…(that doesn’t look I spelled it right) that Hillary has to acknowledge the petition beforehand?
They shut down my blog and kicked me out of my groups.
Letter to Geraldine Ferraro:
(Thanks Trish…used your Puma stationary)
Dear Ms. Ferraro,
I want to thank you for your fervent support for Hillary Clinton and your honesty shown throughout this past primary season. Thank you for having the courage to speak the truth.
I have great admiration for you and Hillary. You are both inspirations to me and to our nation. It is very important for women to have strong, positive role models such as yourself.
Thank you again from the bottom of my heart for all you have done, and please keep speaking up for us!
Sincerely,
Will be calling for the prowl now….
232 Anna7000
Whose to know that you aren’t on vacation and still reside in PA?
Good morning PUMAS, I have sent my card to Ms Ferraro letting her know how much she is appreciated by all PUMAS. Sent Sacha Millstone an e-mail. Sent e-mail to Rendell (could not phone) and found the following on http://redstate.com Ladies and Gentlemen, the Obamessiah has indeed brought forth peace into the world. It seems that #61 has taken credit for the cease fire by Russia and Georgia I hate him more and more each day. He is now putting Mccain and bush down and taking all the credit.
This is a statement made this am by non other than Va. Goc. Tim Kaines. Please check this out.
Good morning PUMAS, I have sent my card to Ms Ferraro letting her know how much she is appreciated by all PUMAS. Sent Sacha Millstone an e-mail. Sent e-mail to Rendell (could not phone) and found the following on http://redstate.com Ladies and Gentlemen, the Obamessiah has indeed brought forth peace into the world. It seems that #61 has taken credit for the cease fire by Russia and Georgia I hate him more and more each day. He is now putting Mccain and bush down and taking all the credit.
This is a statement made this am by non other than Va. Goc. Tim Kaines. Please check this out.
I think it is clear now that Rendell was not the only governor or party leader to put pressure on the Hillary delegates. Since the problem has surfaced in CO too, that means it is probably nationwide. When I was talking to Mary Isenhour she asked me at one point: Why I wasn’t contacting my own state party chair about this? At the time, I just told her that I HAD been making a fuss.
Looks like the movement is bigger than we thought among delegates. Maybe we should contact all of the state party chairs and tell them to stop the pressure and intimidation.
If Fox runs this, maybe we can get the other MSM to run it?
lara08 – interesting points. i’m still trying to figure out if the ones you raise at the outset are mutually exclusive, or not. i don’t think they are.
signed,
overthinking in ca
#232 Anna7000 on 08.12.08 at 12:55 pm
Unless you are specifically paying for an unlisted phone number (and in some cases,even if you are) your complete originating number will be displayed by the receiving fax machine.
These people don’t have a clue. That letter is directly interfering with the democratic process and they are lying through their teeth. Seriously, how stupid do they think we are? He kept calling my view narrow and apparently has not seen the video of her saying she wants her name placed into nomination. He kept saying they are working out the details. We have to keep putting pressure on them.
cARACAL cARRIE , Cuban puma is flying out to Indy , Papi’s sick , probably going to hosp . You might call her cell tomorrow to check on things .
Does anyone have email addresses, or know where I can find them, (not the website forms, but specific, direct addresses) – I thought I’d seen them posted somewhere before but I can’t seem to find them,
For:
Wolf Blitzer (CNN) (& any other CNN’ers)
Andrea Mitchell (MSNBC)
Joe Scarborough (MSNBC)
Mika Brzezinski (MSNBC)
David Gregory (MSNBC)
If anyone has this info, I’d really be grateful.
Greta just received an e-mail from the O campaign.
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/
Go tell those misguided Obamacans what you think.
dances – lol, i’ve used that line before. just don’t want it to seem too transparent. but, it’s my fall back plan. thanks for helping.
i’ve been contacting rendell and strickland ever since their apparent passionate support for clinton so suddenly switched camps. i guess most politicians are gutless and they’re all trying to protect their a$$.
it’s the rare bird who will stand up for what’s right and speak truth to power. what a shame.
maybe when the dust settles, some PUMAs will run for local office and start to build a political life…
ya she really cannt cause than if he did something to not get enough it would be really bad for her in 12 or ever really. than they would blame everything on her. Remember she said I am not in control delegats and all can do anything they want.Than if numbers were good she could say I cannt let all my people down.She isnt the force behond it.
henrietta – i think your idea is great and you should e-mail it to murphy!
It has become very clear to me that there is a large group of delegates, Hillary supporters, etc, who intend to make a fuss at the convention. The party big shots are very unhappy that they can’t have the big victory party they are used to. For once, they will have to fight out the nomination at the convention, just like they are supposed to!
Maybe in our calls to Rendell’s office, we should mention all of that.
But mostly, tell them that you DON’T WANT TO VOTE FOR McCAIN! That they, by their actions are leaving you no clear choice.
Heneri
Thank-you Letter Sent
Calls to Rendell Made.
GO MURPHY GO!
Having so much trouble posting today I think I need to go back to bed! I have made my phone calls and am off to mail the letter. I am taking my grandkids school shopping today so will make more calls on my cell. Peace Be With You! And also in Georgia!
#197 Henerietta
YOU ROCK!
MURPHY, THANKS – WILL FAX ED INSTEAD
just.words – thanks. i guess i’ll have to use my “vacation” script.
oops behind.
I just got a letter from bo’s people,If I sign up I can get email and be first to know vp. send to your friends.
I wrote back: This is an example of his transparent government? I will find out in due time and it really doesnt matter . I wont vote him no matter who he picks.Than I took the good road and thanked him for his time .
252 Caracal Carrierrie
PUMAs – read Carrie’s post!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That means we have a Troll!!!!!!!!!
Trish – tell Murphy what happened!!
This is my 5th time trying to post this.
sorry about the double post, don’t know how that happened?
SEND IT TO LOU DOBBS!!!!!!
Email from Rendell’s office and video from Denver!
Lou Dobbs will report it, Wolf Blitzer will stay quiet about it.
I already emailed Lou, but if a lot of us send him an email that will get his attention.
http://loudobbs.tv.cnn.com/
262 BrooklynNY
Check the Action Center (www.pumapac.org) for the media contacts link.
I have a general unlisted over the computer 800 number fax..I will be glad to help anyone fax anything anytime…Im still trying to get my thoughts together on sending stuff..I feel so ill informed compaired to all of you! LOL but I am willing to help if anyone needs me !
273 no , Carrie was telling tham about us and trying to cure them and they kicked her off .
#273 1gypsy4mc
I know we have trolls in this site. Even Kat in the Hat knows there are trolls here.
I have also found that if I tell them I am a PUMA right up front, they send me to voice mail. I don’t tell them that until wayyyyyy into the conversation. A citizen calling has more chance than an organization in these matters. They know by now that it is organized, and they know WHO did the organizing. The objective is to get the message through, have a good conversation, and then leave them with some interesting thoughts.
Heneri
It wasnt just my blog either..I got kicked out of the entire Obama site..My membership is no longer active..
#252 Caracal Carrie on 08.12.08 at 1:03 pm
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Looks like you are stuck on the side of the angels now!
Which, considering the classy company here, is a pretty nice place to be!
#252 Caracal Carrie
Welcome to our world Carrie! Don’t you fear. “They” have been trying to shut us down since June – WE ARE STILL HERE. WE ARE STILL STANDING. WE ARE STILL SPEAKING OUT!
So, you make another blog. You tell the world about it. WE will help. You have come to the right place. The place were the FIRST AMENDMENT still holds true.
Welcome Home!
277 Caracal Carrie
Sorry about your name!! I wanted everyone to know you were shut out!
273 1gypsy4mc
252 Caracal Carrierrie
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Not necessarily. Caracal Carrierre mentioned that she was vociferous on the Ogagme sites, and was not welcome.
PS I’m not saying we don’t have trolls… you can almost smell their stench …
Here is my letter to Ms Ferraro—-Ms Ferraro,
You have been such a beacon of hope and support for, not only Hillary Clinton, but for women all over the world. To stand up, as you have, against so much negative press, and stick to your principles, is something I greatly admire.
You had my vote when you stood with Walter Mondale as his chosen vice-presidential candidate. You would still have my vote, should you decide to campaign for another elected national office. Geraldine Ferraro and Hillary Clinton would be a dynamite team!
This letter carries my deepest respects and the honor that women everywhere should be expressing to you for your strong and never-wavering support of women and our nations’best interests.
I salute you Gerraldine Ferraro and I will forever use your example for my grand-daughters and daughter-in-laws to show them women can be strong and hard as steel. We bend, but do not break, we weather the storms and come through stronger than ever. One day, because of women such as yourself and Hillary Clinton, among others, America will have a woman President! The USA will be a better nation for us all.
Good afternoon Pumas!
I have been feeling like I was not doing enough toward the effort due to time limitations, so I took the day off today from my day job, and worked on Puma/No Deal causes all morning. So far I’ve completed my weekly EW letters to super delegates (both snail mailed and faxed), and this afternoon will start sending snail mail copies of Denver Group’s Tea Party ad to the Clinton donaters in my area which I found on the http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/ site.
I’m absolutely beside myself with this Rendell thing! Blatant disregard for our rights as voters in this country, and I’m even here in PA, which Clinton won big! Rendell is a lame duck Governor here so I’m not surprised, he’s likely been offered some sort of a position in the BO adminstration. Lord help us if that ever happens!
Going back to work now! Keep fighting the good fight Pumas!
#281 Caracal Carrie
Wow! They do move fast. Screw’em Carrie. You are right where you are supposed to be. Don’t get mad – GET EVEN!
Executive Director
Mary Isenhour
Office Phone: (717) 920-8470
E-mail: maryp1016@aol.com
I called Gov Rendell’s office first, and some of the secretaries knew the canned response, but some of them didn’t. The first time I got a canned response, and the second time, the person I spoke to sounded very confused and didn’t understand what was going on.
btw..hello all…I haven’t had much time to be on here..but I read a bit here and there when I could..hope everyone had a great weekend!
279 Asian4Hillary
I’ve seen comments in the evening and I know what you mean.
Democracy in action, right? I don’t even go to those sites because as far as I’m concerned they are nothing – they don’t exist, and I’m getting ready to use Texlish!!
Oops, sorry – Peace
well i didnt get the prowl….I told them i didnt get it….they said to look in spam…i did told them it wasnt in there…they wrote back and said well im sure i sent it to you …your on the list….??????????? why not just send it again ???????????
i just spoke to someone in jose serranos 16th congressional office..
they told me that the words going around that hillary is going to accept obamas VP offer
#290 gypsy -YEEEE HAW!
Henrietta – I agree. I never identify myself as a PUMA as it’s a sure fire way to reduce my chances of actually being able to have a conversation. I think early on it was very important because it showed we were organized. But by now, it’s pretty well known we are organized and the mere fact that calls or letters flood certain offices simultaneously is a fact that there’s an organized movement.
263 doria on 08.12.08 at 1:08 pm
Can’t Obama come up with just ONE original idea of his own?!!! Does he have to copy EVERYTHING from his opponents?!!!
I just checked out the email you refer to above that Greta got.
Chuck Hagel and Lincoln Chaffee? If all Obama supporters are so ANTI-Republican, I don’t think they’ll be too sweet on the idea of Obama sucking up to Republicans….
Lincoln Chaffee is a good man, a VERY moderate Republican (almost switched over to Dem after Bush’s 2nd term). I BET he’d much rather support Hillary! LOL.
Chuck Hagel is also a good man. Quite moderate too. He’s been fielded as a potential VP for Obama. Again, if the Repubs are such monsters, why is Obama even considering such blasphemy?!!! Doubt that will go over well with hard-core Obamaphiles….
So, maybe there’ll be 2 members of Obama’s Republicans For Obama?
Not too worried about it. Sort of reminds me of his “Stop the Smears” site and Rendell’s “Hound” site. A tepid, flailing, desperate attempt….that fizzled before anyone even knew it existed, or cared.
prowlland I’ll send it to you
I got one of those ‘canned’ responses..lol.. I hope they really get swamped! How dare Rendell…what is wrong with these people? Has *61 hypnotized everyone???
#292 ny puma
I SURE HOPE NOT! Because I WILL not be voting for *61 NO MATTER WHAT!!!!!!!
#291 prowlland on 08.12.08 at 1:20 pm
I pray that is not true.
285 DancesWithPumas
Oh I know…I just got a little overheated – you already know how I feel about our Constitution!! Let’s hope they send some more nice people like Carrie here!!
sunshinelr – really beautiful letter to ferraro.
it’s so inspiring reading everyone’s letters. each of us seems to have a special touch, a little detail, a personal perspective that’s unique to that person’s letter and only their letter. i think ms. ferraro is going to be quite moved when they start flooding her mailbox.
hey – I think I saw it in here that there is a website for Hispanic PUMAs. Can anybody give me the link please? Thanks.
301 Anna7000 …thanks anna
********* PUMAS **************
I broached this with Murphy but I wanted everyone’s input on this.
There is a lot of talk about lies and illegal going ons in the Obama camp. Legit or not, we cannot yet know.
Do you guys think that a concerned private citizen, using an attorney , could file a suite against Obama’s party ?
I don’t think it has been done in this election but I think (barring waste of money, hate, looking foolish going against a Goliath like Obama) it will get attention and publicity. Think Erin Brackovitch the movie ..
Can we please get ideas and comments on this…ASAP ?
#281 Caracal Carrie on 08.12.08 at 1:15 pm
Best thing that could have ever happened to you. You are very welcome here. We’re very glad to have you.
Will be mailing my letter .
Dear Mrs. Ferraro,
As an independent member of PUMA PAC I wanted to write to you in appreciation for your courage in standing up for American values over party politics.
There are millions of people like myself, who have rejected both parties due to the constant political manipulations of party leaders to place their “chosen one” in nomination.
This years democratic primary has been the most blatant I have ever seen.
The unabashed use of sexism leveled against Senator Clinton has shown millions what millions have already known. The party leadership has no agenda other than acquisition of personal power.
The behavior of Mr dean and Ms. Pelosi is, has been and will undoubtedly continue be inexcusable.
Thank you again for standing up for principle. we need more leaders such as your self in public life.
Btw, I am male and slightly right of center. Your support (and senator Clintons) is wider than anyone knows or cares to admit.
Sincerely,
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
freddie – what would you sue him for exactly?
293 TexasTigress
you always make me laugh!!
#252 Caracal Carrie… So sorry you have to experience that kind of “expulsion”.
I think we all can empathise with how commtted you must have been and believed in your candidate.
I think many of us here remained open about Obama’s candidacy – his right to compete.
I was until November, and began seeing the fallacy of the candidate – his political history.
I completly turned against him when I saw how he treated Clinton, the cover ups, and intimidations of voters on the blogs and at voting precincts.
I was for Hillary all along, but I was open to the process, until it became clear that it was no longer a democratic process but had become totally corrupt.
IMO: The Obama Campaign orchestrated that corruption with the DNC for a predetermined outcome that would refuse to allow an outcome based solely upon the power of the vote of the People.
Glad you are here.
#247 Anna7000 on 08.12.08 at 1:02 pm
LOL! Anna7000, it is indeed like a giant chess match – intriguing and very unerving indeed!
Try not to wrap our brain around it too much. Believe me, it will keep you up nights! All we can do is just keep the pressure on and hope the bloomin koolaid soon runs out.
bill clinton with much fanfare will introduce hillary for maximum PR effect to win over the woman vote for Obama-Clinton
Prowlland , see “Don’t mess with Texas “
#304 Freddiebrown,
Bad idea. If you have any skeletons in your closet expect to see them all over the media. They , the msm, will vet anyone who opposes Carpathia with a thoroughness not seen in decades.
Has anyone realized that we are not only opposing Carpathia and the “bosses” but the msm as well? They will not look Kindly on anyone who steps out.
I have a video to share with you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82qCwLX9piE
why do you think the DNC and Obama people have given the clintons 2 days of convention prime time??
One of Gov. Rendell’s office workers told me she knows it’s frustrating to not get an answer re. political stuff so gave me this 3 to call: State Committee Office (PA Democratic Party):
# 717 -920- 8470
CALL
NO FOUL
#95 bellecat
Generally, fraud is only defined legally as fraud when the intent is to commit fraud. Most states allow you to use any name you want to identify yourself, even if this name differs from the name on your birth certificate, as long as using this name is done with no intention to defraud.
#44 Firefly — Hear, Hear!
Absolutely agree. What is this country about? How did we come into being? We broke the rules–we said, “Hell, no. We will not succumb to dictatorship.”
Pressuring delegates and/or Hillary is a form of dictatorship. Our country is a republic, with representation of the people. If Rendell is telling delegates they cannot put her name in nomination, he is telling US–the people—that we do not matter any more, and if Hillary is a heroine, and doesn’t mind the heat, she SHOULD be p….d to high heaven and drop all this pretense of unity and come out fighting for our voices and votes.
Lately, I feel that everyone lies, lies, lies. The media knew about Jeremiah Wright, and Edwards, and who knows what else…and they lied.The politicians lie to position themselves with the well placed and powerful. Every other word that comes out of BO’s mouth is a lie.
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You really wonder if there are anymore heroes and heroines out there–like Joan of Arc—who will take on the big fights.
ARgggggggggg. and Peace.
#4 1gypsy4mc
Where is the smiley tutorial? What is a multiple tab?
Oh, prowls done.
Anna7000 and Henrietta,
I, too, often omit the fact that I’m a Puma. I’m not ashamed of it, by any means. Rather, when I don’t mention it, it gives the impression that recipients are hearing from a much larger segment of the population. It’s not just Pumas.
Sometimes stealth mode is a really effective Puma strategy.
Called the Southwest office re: today’s Prowl, went straight to voicemail, saying number was not available.
I left a very clear message, along with my full name and telephone number, expressing my outrage at this disgrace. Mr. Rendell knows that I will not be voting for his man in November.
I am an angry and extremely disappointed Pennsylvanian today, not not mention a bit embarrassed, as well. Sorry, Pumas.
Will call capitol, also.
#317 Ln4hil,
Plenty of heroes and heroines.
Murphy and her immortals come to mind.
#304 freddiebrown on 08.12.08 at 1:24 pm
Perhaps check on the FEC site and see if there is any information re: what you can sue for (which specific laws have been broken, etc.) and how to go about suing, or even filing a citizen’s complaint.
I think I heard somewhere that the FEC is very slow to move on complaints, but I really don’t know all that much about it, except it would certainly be an uphill battle….
Another option might be to check with non-profit legal/constitutional law organizations. Maybe they’d be interested in taking on that issue? In fact, maybe someone already has such a project in the works.
This scenario is like a little old lady that doesn’t know what else to do but bring a “case” against them. Get a seedy lawyer. This is not a slick suite of any kind.
You mean we don’t have any thing against Obama that is not legal ? Everything he has done is within the rule of law?
Some of us really don’t have any skeletons but I don’t necessarily mean me bringing a suite. Some of you guys could be skeleton free and concerned citizens very
clueless about slick politics but very concerned about the future of our country.
I am just being the devils advocate right now to see what you all think.
277 Caracal Carrie
309 wontbackdown
Carrie, I apologize. Being a supporter of another candidate wasn’t the issue. It was how you were treated because you “questioned” some issues. That doesn’t make you a dissenter in that respect.
We have alot of special people here that believe in democracy and our right to question what is right or wrong. There’s some times I know that maybe I should keep my mouth shut and other times I will step up for my beliefs. That’s what so good about here. Everyone listens, but we do not have to agree. We just try to be respectful.
Again, I’m sorry for my outburst. I’m glad you’re here!
#291 prowlland – I didn’t get today’s prowl either.
Snow tiger …good letter! I went back and added this to mine..
Check us out on the web!
http://blog.pumapac.org/
#320 heysandy “I am an angry and extremely disappointed Pennsylvanian today, not not mention a bit embarrassed, as well. Sorry, Pumas.”
Me too.
#320 Typo “not to mention..”
325 hummm
#327 emme
We must spread the word about this, emme, to everyone we can.
311 TexasTigress got it thanks
#323 Maybe we could do a class action as a group. That would take the personal aspect out.
It’s a good idea in theory freddie but, whoever does it is going against a massive machine bent on winning the white house.
even if we could file a suit that doesn’t get summarily thrown out, it would take years to work through the system.
Also unless we get lawyers to go pro bono the amount of money needed would be staggering.
I would love to do it but, just can’t see how we could pull it off.
No billionaires here that I am aware of.
“The American people are not going to entrust the security and prosperity of the country to such an immature and unproven man.”
Let us hope…and pray.
#135 MamaPuma – You have mail.
PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT
make sure that you do your polictical action work today.
it is very important.
anyone who did not receive a prowl should write to me at MamaPumaMass@aol.com. You have to have joined to be on the mailing list.
come back and brag
Mama
My daughter and I were discussing the power of positive thinking… and we both feel that as the Positive PUMA Power grows it will disperse and dissolve the negative energy coming from Dean, Pelosi, Barry…..
318 ipotter
I think I went to WordPress Smileys……..help anyone out there???
I then saved them to my documents.
I’ll check for you right now.
#304 freddiebrown…
1) Consumer Fraud? (His books are not autobiograhically true)
2) Voter intimidation? (Federal Offense)
3) Deception? (Throw a dart)
4) Discrimination? (The DNC is discrimating against voters before the nominating convention)
5) Inciting racial hate crimes (using unfouded racial remarks to incite voters and paid and unbloggers)
6) Refusal to release eligibilty documents?
7) Citizenship?
9) Fundraising issues?
(If an injunction could be obtained that he cease and desist his candidacy until anyone of these issues can be heard in court – that could be a blow)
You can obtain an injunction to stop someone from continuing doing what they are doing, (if you can present any evidence of the possibility that the deception, if proven, can cause irreparable harm)
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One of thie moves that stopped the Colorado DP cold was that the Delegate immediately retained an attorney who then communicated with the DP on the issue at hand. Scared the pee out of the CDP and they immedately and publicly backed off!
If Bill/Hillary think they are going to ‘unite the party’ at the convention, they are very sadly mistaken.
#326 Thanks Sun,
I have a hard time doing prowls because I am an independent. I know that most PUMAS are dems and will hopefully, get the Dem party back on track.
I think of myself as representing the silent majority.
Maybe the real Democrats will step up and turn the party back into what it once was.
Then I can go back to looking at you all with suspicion.
I will however do it with love.
I just got a virus sent in email…be careful
Is there other governors joining rendell in asking the delegates not to sign the petition? If so who are they? I am ready to let them know how we feel about it.
Firebelle Puma – You took the words right out of my mouth. Yes, I think at this point is even more powerful if elected officials realize there are organized grassroots movements AND just individual folk who are speaking out as they see fit.
One of Gov. Rendell’s office workers told me she knows it’s frustrating to not get an answer re. political stuff so gave me this # to call: State Committee Office (PA Democratic Party):
# 717 -920- 8470
CALL
318 ipotter
http://txfx.net/2004/08/18/wordpress-smilies/
PS Firebelle – How are you doing?
#330 heysandy – I’m on it! (will also remind Rendell that we live in America, “…land of the free and home of the brave” – sounds like he’s forgotten that)
pumetta – thanks for posting that number, but it smells to me like getting the run around. that said, keep us posted if you have any luck.
See, this is why I never get anything done and have to disappear for days at the time trying to catch up. This always gets too damn interesting.
Okay. must go. For real this time.
Keep feeding the PUMAS.
I’m kinda proud..I’ve never been kicked off a whole website before! LOL
I had a thought on the suggestion about a private citizen suing Barack Obama.
If someone like me (not me particularly…waaaayyy to many skeletons) who supported Barack and voted for Barack were to sue him they may have some sort of grounds. Many people on the Fisa group on the Barack website asked the campaign for their donations back, but I asked them simply “Why would I worry about donations? I want my vote back!” There is no recourse for someone who feels like their vote was taking on a fraudulent basis. It is not something I can just say “hey I changed my mind” to.
In my humble opinion it is theft of a felonious nature and there should be some sort of restitution and amendment made for stealing a nomination with lies and manipulation..
Ok sorry had to vent I’m a little angry..
WROTE MY OWN LETTER TO RENDELL; JUST FAXED IT
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I am a resident of Pennsylvania who lives out on the Main Line. I am currently visiting family on the west coast and have just learned that you have sent out a memo pressuring delegates to suspend any further action in trying to garner enough signatures to be able to place Senator Clinton’s name in nomination. I am writing to you because I am deeply disturbed to learn that you have initiated such an outrageous action.
I am a proud Democrat who has supported your candidacy. During the primary season I was additionally proud to call you my Governor as you campaigned passionately for Senator Clinton. When she suspended her campaign and you joined Obama’s campaign I was dismayed. Now, however, I can make no excuses for your actions. The Democratic Party is morphing into something unrecognizable. I come from generations of die hard Democrats and never have I witnessed such a thing as is currently going on in the party.
Please cease and desist these undemocratic, bullying tactics. It goes against the fabric of our democracy, is an insult to the 18 million of us who voted for Senator Clinton, and it paints you in an unprofessional light.
Democratic processes must be allowed to move forward, to live and breathe. By joining with those who would snuff them out, your hand is twisting and distorting the most fundamental aspects of the very foundation of this great country.
You have lost my support and any future vote.
340…i was an independant all my life….but when i got my undated voters registation i decided to go Dem….because Hillary was running…I got my voters registation the day after the primary here in texas…lol
335 MamaPuma
did prowl
wrote to Geraldine a Thank you – previous thread
Trish wrote a really nice Thank you also, which is on previous thread from this morning – in fact, there’s lots of them!!
joeysky Go to justsaynodeal.com . Look at all the sites on the right. I believe it is latinopumas. Just click.
#335 MamaPuma – I have been receiving prowl, but not today. Also sent you an email. Please forward today’s prowl to me at emme dot puma at hot mail dot com. Thank you!
340 snowtiger
300 NOMINATING PETITION
#211 1gypsy4mc
The ‘300 petition’ merely satisfies the requirements of one of the ways to get a candidate’s name onto the ballot. Remember, if a candidate is not officially nominated then, any roll call votes cast for that candidate are recorded as “Present.” To get votes recorded in the candidate’s name, that name must appear on the nominating ballot. Delegates signing the nominating petition of a candidate have no obligation to vote for that candidate during the roll call.
Sometimes – as in Obamas case… APPEARANCE IS EVERYTHING IF YOU DON’T HAVE SUBSTANCE.
Meaning, the intention is not to take down the Obama machinery, the intention is to create buzz, hype, news, etc…grassroots news in the media can be powerful.
Anna7000 good job
#313 left viedo it was so good it made me cry everyone take a look
I just mailed my letter to Geraldine
Peace
lol i laugh everytime I type peace
350 Caracal Carrie – Carrie they blocked your Freedom of Speech – it is a Constitutional Right!!
Peace
#348 Anna7000
Hi,
It’s another # to add to the PROWL list, and another person to tell our displeasure to.
Thanks for your concern.
PUMAS, Please, does anyone know anything about this or has anyone else received this. This is scary since I am NOT on #61 mailing list or DNC. I don’t know where they got my name or e-mail. They asked to sign up if going to Denver for fun things they have planned or if not going to receive ground updates and reports from the convention. This sounds like #61 to me? It was signed by Darcy Scott Martin. Please let me know if anyone else has received this. I will NOT sign up but put in SPAM!!!!!!!!!!!! 10 Principles
TrueMajority’s underlying philosophy is contained in the TrueMajority Principles, a positive blueprint for moving forward in the post 9/11 world. These principles reflect the American values of compassion, charity and justice – the same values we must adhere to in order to build a safer, more secure home and world. These principles are also revenue-neutral, meaning the investments proposed are entirely funded by reductions in unnecessary spending on Cold War-era weapons that no longer contribute to our national security.
TrueMajority Principles: (click here for a full description of each principle)
1. Attack poverty and world hunger as if our life depends on it. It does.
2. Champion the rights of every child, woman & man.
3. End our obstructionism to the world’s treaties.
4. Reduce our dependence on oil and lead the world to an age of renewable energy.
5. Close the book on the Cold War and ease the nuclear nightmare.
6. Renounce Star Wars and the militarization of space.
7. Make globalization work for, not against, working people.
8. Ensure equal treatment under law for all.
9. Get money out of politics.
10. Close the gap between rich and poor kids at home.
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pumetta – did you have any luck when you called?
Joeysky It’s pumalatinos.com.
351 Anna7000
wow Anna! great letter! go get ‘em!!
#216 Landipuma….thank you
i think the obama campaign has come to the realization that they cannot win in november against mccain unless they have hillary as VP..
#358 freddiebrown
#338 – Suggestions you asked for.
Peace
scathcart – never received it. don’t recognize that name.
Executive Director
Mary Isenhour
Office Phone: (717) 920-8470
E-mail: maryp1016@aol.com
Hello Mary,
I believe that everyone deserves the chance to explain themselves, and both you and Governor Rendell worked very hard on Hillary Clinton’s campaign. Because of this, I can’t imagine why you would discourage her delegates from signing a petition to ensure that they have a chance to vote for the only *competent* person on the ballot. You stated that you were only interested in talking to people from Pennsylvania. Guess what, I’ve lived in Pennsylvania (lovingly known as Pennsyltucky) all my life, and I was astonished this election year to find out that people in other states got more than one vote because of Jim Crow laws and caucuses and that Florida and Michigan were only given half votes. I was astonished to learn that Pennsylvania SuperDelegates were taking bribes in exchange for their endorsements of Senator Obama. I was astonished to learn that Clinton supporters have been physically assaulted at caucuses. Competent people don’t require cheating (as shown in Alabama and Texas to name a few) or strong-arming to win people’s hearts and votes. If Senator Obama were truly the stronger candidate, he would have nothing to fear from Senator Clinton’s name being placed in nomination.
According to video footage of Senator Clinton herself at a recent fundraiser, who would also need to sign this petition, she believes that the only way we can achieve unity is by allowing her delegates a chance to vote for her, instead of having their votes being counted as “present”. I don’t much care what “backroom deal” she and Senator Obama work out because this is about the voters, not the candidates, and the Democratic Party saw fit to ignore the VOTERS in Pittsburgh, PA who wanted to abolish caucuses in future presidential contests (the platform committee meeting this past weekend). If you truly want a Democrat in office in November, you will help us to convince Senator Clinton and her delegates to sign the 300 petition. By the way, some Obama delegates have also signed the petition, not because they believe Senator Clinton will win, but because they know the only way to unity is through a fair balloting process.
Yes, PUMAs (People United Mean Action) are aware of strong-arming tactics used in Wisconsin, Colorado, and now, I am embarrassed to say, in my home state of Pennsylvania. I would like to hear your reasoning for sending out the email regarding the 300 petition.
Thank you,
XXXXXXX, M. Ed.
State College, PA
GO PA DEM!!!
#346 Anna7000 on 08.12.08 at 1:46 pm
[[PS Firebelle - How are you doing?]]
Doing okay. But frustrated like everyone else that we have to spend so much time fighting this senseless battle.
And frustrated that I now also have fight a senseless battle in my own home because of a neighbor’s cigar smoke that incapacitates me whenever it gets into my home. He doesn’t care. And neither do the mobile home park owners, who refuse to enforce the conduct clause of our residency guidelines which prohibit residents from activities that create a substantial annoyance to their neighbors.
(Sorry for venting.)
#350 Caracal Carrie
In my humble opinion it is theft of a felonious nature and there should be some sort of restitution and amendment made for stealing a nomination with lies and manipulation..
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Like false advertising…I agree too, why can’t votes be recalled. There is such a wide time gap between Primaries and the nomination for the “real” nominee to show his/her true colors. In this case, Obama went Left to get votes and now going Center to get votes. Before it is over, he would have gone left to right but votes have already been cast and locked in. This guy is inexperienced where it is crucial to be experienced but he is not inexperienced in cunning. He is VERY experienced in deception and cunning.
ipotter
Just copy the whole page that I sent you. Then open a New Document on your computer and hit “paste”, and then save it as “Smileys”. Let me know if you have any problems, ok?
Hey, Pa Dem – Can I use some of your letter as a template for an e-mail to Mary?
re#366..
now latinos are intimidated to support obama for fear of being branded racists..
the race card is now being played on latinos as well as on whites
6. Renounce Star Wars and the militarization of space
Now c’mon that movie wasn’t that bad!
Anna7000,
Yes, I spoke to a real person. She told me that Gov. Rendell just asked delegates to wait until the negotiations betw. he who must not be named and Sen. Clinton were completed. And that he didn’t send the email out. She acknowledged that Sen. Clinton winning PA and getting 18 million votes was major. She seemed unnerved, poor thing.
372 pa dem …great letter, too! wow 1 lots of talented writers here! I lived in tobyhanna for about 5 years..think I could get away with pretending I still live there???
Hi, all!
Just wrote Rendell:
“”TO: All Clinton Delegates
FROM: Mary Isenhour
Executive Director
DATE: August 11, 2008
RE: Nomination
If anyone approaches you about signing a petition to place Senator Clinton’s name in nomination at the Democratic National Convention, the Governor has asked me to ask you to refrain from signing such a petition until we know what Senator Clinton and Senator Obama have worked out. As always, please feel free to let me know if you have any questions.”
What is this, Governor Rendell?
It is LEGAL by your own Party standards to place Hillary in nomination at the Convention! It has been done before with other candidates who had way, way fewer votes and delegates, why not with Hillary who is the real winner of this campaign? If it hadn’t been for the cheating in the Caucuses, the voting in Florida and Michigan and the move away open signals from Dean, Pelosi, Dona Brazile and the media, Hillary would be OUR CANDIDATE! You are supporting a looser, an unqualified nominee WHO WILL NOT WIN IN NOVEMBER! You have time to pick a real winner against McCain! Please understand that PUMAs will not back Obama, he will lose!
Sincerely,
Im sorry, I forgot the web site if anyone wants to check it out. http://truemajorityaction.org/07002/denverconvention?petition_KEY=77
ALEGRE’S CORNER
We’re not finished folks – not by a long shot!
DNC Breaking State Law in Oregon (?)
It appears the suppression may be widespread.
I wonder how many calls and emails rendell has gotten today?
I need some help here again. I’ve sent this out 2ce and have gotten no reply. I need to find out where I can read what G.Ferraro said or wrote, before I can send my letter . I googled most recent remarks, but nothing.
Can you direct me to the story…thanks
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111 Just sent a copy of #220 ’s post to the news orgs posted at this link .
Peace
I bought and sent Geraldine F. a card. I was a musical card. When you open it a chorus sings “Thank You Very Much”. The tune is from a Broadway show, but I can’t remember which one.
Off to the phone.
Here are a few videos from ClintonDems.com:
“Money Changes Everything”
http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=pLPoV4diMjk
“Survival of America and Her Dream”
http://openminds.blip.tv/#1158350
“DNC: Fractured Fairy Tales”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvuMDmqwwbI
“DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYzzyctEVcs&feature=related
“History Repeats Itself”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt6JmgKfXzo
Keep Fighting!
“Democracy cannot succeed unless those who express their choice are prepared to choose wisely. The real safeguard of democracy, therefore, is education. ”
~ Franklin D. Roosevelt
One Love
Firebelle – Sounds like you’re pretty overwhelmed, and who wouldn’t be with all of what you’re dealing with.
As far as the smoke goes, have you tried contacting your health dept? A very dear friend of mine has been struggling with the same issue with her downstairs neighbor who is a chain smoker. Eventually, with a letter from her doctor and working with the health dept. she’s slowly manuevering things. But, again, another incredible drain on one’s time and energy.
Believe it or not, there are a few communitiesin CA where they’ve outlawed smoking in public housing due to health risks and therefore, the risk of law suits. And now some private landlords are instituting the same thing for the same reason.
So excited…..got my Hillary T-Shirt today!!!
Prowl to Rendell’s offices done. I spoke with a “Miss Brown” at one number who I am sure will not pass on my sentiments. I felt the resistance intensely over the phone – despite my pleasant professinalism.
Ferraro prowl done.
WontBack Down – thanks for your bullet points. Have saved it.
i just called and spoke with someone in charles rangels congressional office and they confirmed what jose serranos office told me earlier about the word going around NY that Hillary has already accepted the VP slot with obama and that Bill will introduce her
sunshinelr – i could have sworn i saw you at the 7-11 in tobbyhana last week! was that you?
i say, go for it!
Hi Puma Pals,
Prowls completed yesterday and today.
I called Gov. Rendall’s office and politely said that his memo was controlling and very undemocratic.
I responded less cordially to D. Plouffes email request asking for my cell# (apparently so Senator Obama’s campaign can text message me his VP choice)
This is all so creepy.
We are being bullied and I really don’t like it.
I think their tactics are going to get even more strident.
madazhel
a California PUMA
gtg everyone..I just LOVE this site! And all you guys! YES I AM GUSHING !!!
It makes my day to know I am not fighting alone! Keep up the good work everyone!
ipotter
I also copied #216
This is alittle different than Smilies..but will teach you ways to enhance your posts. I keep forgetting about it, but I now have it saved on a different document.
I keep my Smiley document open when I’m on the site, just to make sure I’m doing it ok until I get used to it.
keep me posted. anyone else can help also. don’t be afraid to ask.
From: Alegre’s Corner regarding Oregon’s Delegates: (Probably every state models this one???)
1. So – first, here is the Oregon state LAW for ANY delegate. Clinton or Obama. Keep in mind we were forced to sign this pledge when we became delegates.
http://landru.leg.state.or.us/...
Pertinent section:
SECTION 12. ORS 248.315 is amended to read:
248.315. (1) After a presidential { – preference – } primary election, each major political party whose national affiliate holds a convention to select its nominee for President of the United States shall select delegates to the national convention of that party.
(2) Delegates to the national convention of a party shall be selected in the manner provided by party rules, which shall provide all electors registered as members of the party equal opportunity to participate in the selection of delegates.
(3) Delegates to the national convention of the party shall be selected so that the number of delegates who favor a certain candidate shall represent the proportion of votes received by the candidate in relation to the other candidates of that party at the presidential { – preference – } primary election. Each person selected as a delegate shall sign a pledge that the person will continue to support at the national convention the candidate for President of the United States the person is selected as favoring until:
(a) The candidate is nominated at the convention;
(b) The candidate receives less than 35 percent of the votes for nomination at the convention;
(c) The candidate releases the delegate from the pledge; or
(d) Two convention nominating ballots have been taken.
Beth – saw your post. don’t have the links. sorry. just didn’t want you to feel ignored or invisible. re-post your need in a bit if no one has what you need. others may join the blog in a while that know where the info is.
Freddiebrown…Your snail had wings. Thank you.
pumetta – thanks for the update. sounds like they’ve been busy putting the icing and sugar coating on things! jmho
Hi PUMA’s~ I see you are all hard at work~ who does that Rendell think he is? WTH?
I am sure you heard about Sen Clintons emails leaked~ [i think it's terrible!] but am posting this for the poll on her;
TAKE THE AOL POLL FOR HILLARY & STRAW POLL FOR MC CAIN OR BOZO~
Clinton Nixed ‘Values’ Advice on Obama
AP
posted: 1 HOUR 54 MINUTES AGO
comments: 1152filed under:
Election News, Barack ObamaPrintShareText SizeAAA
WASHINGTON (Aug. 12) — Hillary Rodham Clinton’s top campaign strategist advised her to cast presidential rival Barack Obama as having questionable “roots to basic American values and culture” and use the theme to counter the image that his background is diverse and multicultural.
“I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values,” Mark Penn wrote in a March 2007 memo to Clinton.
http://news.aol.com/elections/article/clinton-nixed-values-advice-on-obama/128678?icid=200100397×1207577078x1200399048
Anna and anyone else who wishes: Yes, absolutely. Use whatever you like.
I was trying very hard not to sound angry.
Re: Above #399
3) Delegates to the national convention of the party shall be selected so that the number of delegates who favor a certain candidate shall represent the proportion of votes received by the candidate in relation to the other candidates of that party at the presidential { – preference – } primary election. Each person selected as a delegate shall sign a pledge that the person will continue to support at the national convention the candidate for President of the United States the person is selected as favoring until:
THOSE DNC SOB’s!
PEACE :twisted
#394 ny puma on 08.12.08 at 2:04 pm
No. Please let that not be true! I’m surprised that Rangel’s office would confirm a VP choice since as far as I know no one has gotten their little text messages and I do believe if they had, the media would be all over that one with “BREAKING NEWS!!!”
LOOk-
This mayor of whereever – sued his dry cleaners for losing his pants – for amounts of money that it was ridiculous and illogical. It made news everywhere. The underdog (the Korean dry cleaners) got major media visibility.
It was a stupid case but is our “case” as stupid ?
The arguement is, if people are allowed to sue for stupid reasons, why isn’t our case not possible.
I apologize for continuing this discussion.
Also, I forgot .. PEACE
395 Anna7000 –You know I worked with an anna..on post..we worked hard…lol..she was a lovely German lady..and we lived in the Pocono Springs gated community..beautiful area..Nothing like it..and I have lived in many , many places.. really got to run..love you all…
# 399 wontbackdown – how wierd that, per what you posted, the pledged delegates are bound the the candidate per the proportional division of votes UNTIL the candidate is nominated (option a)?!* That’s so wierd. If I am interpretting that correctly, which I can’t believe that I am, that’s like saying they’re pledged to the candidate for the duration of time when it means next to nothing, then when it counts they’re free to vote for whoever they want.
jbjd, or anyone else, please help with interpretting this.
#315 pumetta
Called the number you gave and spoke with a live person, as well. She said shewould pass along my message to Ed Rendell … doubtful, though. I also let her know that I will not be voting for Eddie’s man in November.
thanks anna7000…yes i do feel ignored when i’ve been trying since yesterday to get someone to answer me. You’re the only one.
BTW, anyone wanting to sound like they are from PA, you might want to mention that the Global Poverty Act was like on page 7 or 8 of the DNC platform presented in Pittsburgh whereas women’s rights were relegated to page 50 of a 56 page document.
Forgot to mention my letter of thanks to Geraldine Ferraro.
It was her comments in March about the preferential treatment Senator Obama was receiving that woke me up to all of this strangeness. What she said was straight up and so obvious. But she was totally lambasted for it.
That is when I knew I slipped into Bizarroville and started searching the web for anyone else who was seeing what I was seeing.
and now here I am, a PUMA
madazhel
AOL STRAW POLL RESULTS AS OF 2:10pm TODAY
MC CAIN
66%
172,086 TOTAL VOTES
BHO
34%
86,823 TOTAL VOTES
VOTE HERE
http://news.aol.com/elections/article/clinton-nixed-values-advice-on-obama/128678?icid=200100397×1207577078×1200399048
#406 brooklyn ny
If it is true, think of how it will be a constant reminder to Barry and Michelle that the Clintons will always be right around the corner. They will never get a good nights sleep again…and his supporters will lose their minds, bots running all over each other in distress….
thanks pa dem. will start working with your letter now.
by the way, i thought you did a great job not indulging your anger while clearly making strong and passionate points. it’s a delicate balance. if letters are too filled with rage and accusation, then i think anyone would trash a letter like that immediately. so, it’s hard to figure out how to state one’s case with strength and conviction without overflowing into a level of venting that’s simply alienating. i usually have to let my letters sit for a bit and then return to them to get a more fresh perspective so i can edit accordingly.
madazzhel…that’s what we’re responding to?
#409 Anna7000… MUST VOTE at the convention according to the proportional votes received by their candidate – as I read it:
“that the person will continue to support at the national convention the candidate for President of the United States the person is selected as favoring until:
(a) The candidate is nominated at the convention;
(b) The candidate receives less than 35 percent of the votes for nomination at the convention;
(c) The candidate releases the delegate from the pledge; or
(d) Two convention nominating ballots have been taken.
411 Mary Beth613
Sorry that happened. Sometimes if you don’t get an answer, just repost it until you do. When we’re posting, I know that for myself, I don’t necessarily end up where I left off. Does that sound right?
#407 freddiebrown on 08.12.08 at 2:10 pm
Yes, the suit was stupid and the poor Korean cleaners were forced to go bankrupt (I believe) defending themselves…..
A suit against the DNC would be different, but as Snowtiger suggested another option might be filing a class action type suit, or filing an FEC complaint as a group/organization.
Or possibly a challenge to the DNC’s choice of nominee? Isn’t that something similar to what Bill Nelson of Florida was trying to do right after May 31?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE send a nice thank you card to Geraldine Ferraro right now. Tell her how important it was to you PERSONALLY that she has stood up ALONE to face down the sexism.
Her address is:
Geraldine A. Ferraro
575 Park Ave
New York, NY 10065-7332
I have a special reason that I cannot mention yet for saying PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.
Thank you!
#401 gojoyknocks on 08.12.08 at 2:07 pm
Freddiebrown…Your snail had wings. Thank you.
***********
I like winged snails… we needed something positive to do. I enjoyed writing to Geraldine Ferraro too – I am going to send her something special and then ask her if she can be more vocal again … please. To please speak for us as we are being drowned out.
The suspense will be over soon. bo is going to announce his vp… gee doesn’t that mean he realizes it’s not looking good for him as the first one to announce is generally the underdog and its done to raise the poll numbers.
THE ONLY PLACE THAT IS BLUE IS WASH DC FOR #61~ IMAGINE THAT?!!!!!
thanks 419..i just want to know what i’m writing about,before i send my letter…is that too much to ask ?
Sorry…just frustrated and feeling helpless at this moment.
#390 Anna7000
Anna, thanks for your support and ideas. I’m still in the early stages of this. A nice woman from the American Lung Association sent me some great brochures, some of which indicated I could file a lawsuit for battery, harassment, intentional infliction of emotional distress, negligence, nuisance, or trespass.
I spoke with a personal injury attorney who said it would be easier to pursue this as a private nuisance case. So I’m looking into it.
If you want me to email you copies of the American Lung stuff that you can pass on to your friend, contact me offline at firebellepuma at gmail.com.
Murphy – I am going to NY for a week.
I can drop by and see if I can bump into Ms. Ferraro.
I am a nice respectable looking person so they can’t kick me off the sidewalk.
I trust your PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE – anything I can do, you know I will or get someone to do it for me.
#351 Anna7000
I read your fax to Rendell and want to thank you. Reading it made it so much easier for me to send one.
Thanks – you will recognize some of the words!
Governor Rendell
I am protesting the memo pressuring delegates to suspend any further action in trying to garner enough signatures to be able to place Senator Clinton’s name in nomination.
I have been a proud Democrat for 50 years until this primary season. The Democratic Party has become unrecognizable. Bullying tactics against Hillary Clinton are undemocratic and personally insulting to me and 18 million other Hillary voters.
I have tolerated but deplored the tactics Republicans have used against Democrats over the years. I just never imagined that the party I used to love would be using tactics I find deplorable against one of its own.
I am not proud to be a member of a party of bullies and sexists.
Where is the democracy?
Sincerely,
ipotter
send a smiley to me
type a “colon” and right next to it type a capital P. Then submit! Voila!!
#415 hillary2008 on 08.12.08 at 2:15 pm
“They will never get a good nights sleep again…and his supporters will lose their minds, bots running all over each other in distress….
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LOL. Great image! ….Makes me smile. Reminds me of a broken Everyready Bunny on Steroids. All “fired up” and no place to go….
Everywhere they turn, up pops Hillary and Bill!
Pumas..this is interesting! Post on Gretawire.
WELL, people it seems the Birth Certificate thing is oooooozing out slowly, go to:
http://www.barrysoetoro.com
Check out where this link goes.
#409 Anna7000… As I read it they had to sign a pledge that they would support the candiate they stated until one of a), b), c), or d) occurs.
It makes sense!
…. and the Super-Delegates are supposed to follow their State’s/Districts voters’ preference, as indicated by the numeber of votes in those states or districts for a candidate!
SOB’s……….. oh, and PEACE!
Murphy, this is mine from previous thread:
Dear Geraldine Ferraro,
I appreciate your continued efforts to obtain equality for all women voters. You have been a staunch adversary for the removal of discrimination in the political arena.
You are historically the first woman to run for the position of the Vice President of the United States of America. You also stood at the side of the first woman, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, in her unprecedented campaign for the President of the United States.
I wish to Thank You for your continued support advocating that women can, and one day will, fill the highest position of this nation with dignity.
Yours humbly,
I just sent an email to all of Hillarys Pen. S.Delegates..informing them what Rendell has done.
Man that felt good…lol
Prowl letter sent. Info on Rendell’s strong-arming of delegates sent to Sean Hannity and Lou Dobbs. Getting ready to email Rendell and voice my disgust.
292 ny puma on 08.12.08 at 1:20 pm i just spoke to someone in jose serranos 16th congressional office..
they told me that the words going around that hillary is going to accept obamas VP offer
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And that was my concern when I heard that Bill Clinton was speaking on Weds night, the night the VP’s name is put into nomination.
SOBs = “Sorry Obama Blind supporters”
Peace
Please go to this website and if you agree with what the
petition says sign it.
http://www.together4us.com/
lmao I did it, completed finished.
Excerpted from katiebird’s article at The Confluence:
Commenters fred & fif brought a frightening story linked by Count Us Out to our attention:
“Colorado Democrats Threaten Delegate’s Status (The Denver Channel)
An e-mail sent from the Political Director of the Colorado Democratic Party threatened the status of a national delegate, alleging she made “disparaging public remarks” about Sen. Barack Obama.
. . .
Millstone acknowledged she was frustrated over how the Obama campaign was treating delegates who supported Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and told a fellow delegate, in what she believed was a private e-mail exchange, that she was not sure she could vote for Obama at the Democratic National Convention later this month.
The other delegate apparently filed a complaint with the state Democratic Party suggesting Millstone lose her status as a delegate.
Apparently the Political Director of Colorado’s Democratic Party, William Compton, took the suggestion very seriously and told Millstone via e-mail, “You are directed to come in to the Party Headquarters and explain your comments and why you should remain a national delegate…”Millstone, who worked on the campaign for Hillary Clinton, considered the e-mail a threat.”
LOL LOL LOL!
I saw this post on Greta Wire:
Comment by Darrell-Nevada
August 12th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
URGENT REQUEST FROM OBAMA TO PRESIDENT BUSH.
Obama requested we send troops immediately to the borders of Florida and Alabama to help defend Georgia from Russia.
Hi to everyone… finally got my wordpress email /password problem fixed. Jeesh!
Wrote thank you to Geraldine Ferraro and put in mail.
Also, thanks to all those who developed the action materials. They are extremely helpful!
#276 DancesWithPumas on 08.12.08 at 1:13 pm
Thanks for responding, Dances. I did look there, but all it has are the webforms, or general show email addresses for the people I’m interested in. I was looking for more direct addresses. I’m almost convinced I saw them somewhere in a prowl or in a posting but I just can’t remember where or when.
Rendells email :
http://sites.state.pa.us/PA_Exec/Governor/govmail.html
tcb4n must run
HELLO, VALIANT PUMAs!
HAVE ANY OF YOU BRAVE SOULS SIGNED UP TO RECEIVE THE OBOT TEXT MESSAGE ANNOUNCING THE MESSIAH’S VP CHOICE??
PLEASE, LET IT ***NOT*** BE HRC!!
NYCgirl Rodham Puma
Does anybody have Charles Rangels and Jose Serranos contact numbers.
Antifish
I just realized you “sneaked” in. Hope you’re doing OK. It’s hoping again in here today.
I’ll be back later – have a headache
#441 NoObo…… (((((((((LOL!!!!!!!!))))))))))
———-
#436 Middle age female
“And that was my concern when I heard that Bill Clinton was speaking on Weds night, the night the VP’s name is put into nomination.”
I thought the same thing… and someone told me this morning they had heard on the radio that Obama will announce VP right before Bill speaks.
Makes sense to me that they would have Bill introduce this “historic moment” of giving his wife (a woman) an insignificant second place in our most highest office that she won in the first place.
PEACE
I still hope it is not Hillary I want to be able to cast my vote for JM and not be second guessing myself. Damit
PLEASE GO AND POST!
CNN CAFFERTY: Placing Hillary’s name in nomination?
“Here’s my question to you: In order to satisfy Hillary Clinton’s supporters, should her name be placed in nomination at the convention?”
http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/
Go now, only 11 comments
446 NYCgirl not on your life…
im afraid he would put me on a list…
The VP selection has dragged on to long and with the way things have been going this week, Hillary’s sudden change compared to that video a few weeks ago, Rendell this morning with his email, this rumor coming from Rangel and serranos offices is starting to make some sense. Hope it’s not true but I think it’s heading that way. Where is Hillary today? Watch where she goes in the next few days maybe hours.
Headline in my local PA newspaper today:
“Ridge escorts McCain on Trail, Obama calls on Rendell as stand-in”
I’m trying to find the article online, no luck yet.
Here’s one of the things Cafferty says on the post:
“And there are Clinton delegates who have started collecting signatures to place Clinton’s name into nomination.
They say their effort is about respect. Baloney. In their heart of hearts, what they really want is to wrestle the nomination away from Barack Obama. They won’t be able to do it, but in the process of trying, they can go a long way toward diminishing the historic nature of Obama’s achievement, disrupting the convention, taking the spotlight away from the nominee, and slowing his momentum going into November. Is this what they call party unity?”
HATE HIM!!!!
IF VP IS TRUE:
SORRY HILLARY: STILL, NO CAN DO!
NO PEACE ON THIS RUMOR:
Since Murphy has a special reason for the Ferraro letter and I posted mine downstairs right before Murphy went upstairs this is what I sen. I printed it out on the puma letter head and mailed it today:
Dear Geraldine Ferraro,
My wife and I would like to offer our appreciation and thanks for all that you have done in your years of public service. You are an icon of encouragement to those who wish to stand up for what is right and what is wrong. Your actions enable our country to grow stronger.
We greatly appreciate your support of Senator Clinton and standing up for the voters of America. It appears the Democratic Party no longer values the basic principles, the basic core values of the American people. We truly appreciate your efforts to help correct a tragedy that is taking place in American history. This tragedy will blacken our history and set us back for decades to come.
My wife moved from Argentina to America in 2000 and we married in 2001. Through naturalization my wife became a United States citizen. She was proud to go to the voting booth and place her vote (as I) for Senator Clinton. She knows first hand the potential of such a tragedy that is taking place right here in America.
We wish to thank you again for your support of Senator Clinton and the voices of so many American voters.
Sincerely,
#410 Sandy,
Glad to hear you got through.
ok, here’s my letter to Geraldine Ferraro: (Posting from previous thread, just cause I’m proud to be a PUMA and even prouder to get to participate in the prowls n growls)
Dear Ms. Ferraro,
Thank you for having the courage and conviction to stand up for yourself and women everywhere. I have always admired your determination to not allow the negative forces that exist in the rank and file to stop you from speaking out. Through your words and actions you raise the bar for women and men everywhere to climb out of their comfort level and fight for equality.
It is worrisome and frightening that we live in a world where women such as you, Senator Clinton and many others, who have attempted to advance themselves politically, are degraded and prejudiced simply because they are women who present themselves as women. I am convinced if these same women entered the playing field showing only masculine characteristics and behavior, the media and political leaders would never have attacked so readily or with such vile sexism.
Again, thank you for your strength and generosity in standing up for the injustices we see accepted so readily in our society.
Trish
Puma Democrat
http://blog.pumapac.org
441 mary beth – i don’t know if what you’re looking for was ever actually posted. maybe you should just send murphy an e-mail asking for it.
412 pa dem – wow, that info really burns me up. got it filed and am sure i’ll find a way to use it soon. ggrrrrrrr
418 wontbackdown – got it re: pledged delegates, but i think you might be misinformed about sd’s. they have a very different purpose and are free to vote how they choose (ha!) and are not bound to how their district or state voted as far as i know. (if they were, there would be not point and their role would be no different than pledged delegates).
428 pamawo – glad my letter helped get you going. i love the changes you made!
441 noobo – i thought you were going to say he recommends deploying troops to all battleground states since that’s were the fighting is most intense!
firebelle – thanks. i have the ala bookmarked for other reasons. good luck with all of this. what a freaking drag. keep me posted. i care about you.
Hillary should be at the top of the ticket. Not the other way around.
#345 1gypsy4mc
I find it very hard to believe Obama would allow Hillary as VP….IF he’s doing it he sure can’t be happy about it. Imagine having a racist like Bill Clinton (Obama & Obamaphiles opinion, NOT MINE) as First Spouse. Besides imagine what a fraud Obama would look like next to Bill and Hillary. He’d be like the stepchild no one wanted.
August 12th, 2008 2:37 pm ET
Your comment is awaiting moderation. …mine never past the moderation…lol ( CNN )
New AOL poll up. Rack ‘em up.
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/08/12/aol-straw-poll-aug-11-18
Also in moderation
Personally I don’t think this VP rumor is true. It doesn’t make much sense. There has been no sign of a vetting process for Hillary in the VP slot. More importantly remember Obama’s hardcore supporters do no want Hillary; they have made it clear for a long time.
So why would Obama risk backlash from his hardcore supporters to gain some of Hillary’s supporters It doesn’t make sense. It would remind much of the way his FISA vote went, backlash to gain ground in the center. Just my thoughts on the subject. I have few more with some question coming up
CNN
Will Clinton’s name go into nomination? Stay tuned
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/12/clinton/
Let BHO pick her and then all this junk will come out in the next 83 days and BHO will have to drop out and she still becomes the nominee.
Re: post #394
If HC is announced as the VP candidate before the convention I will keep my mouth shut- and will just wait and see what happens. I have a friend (who has been involved with the Democratic Party for over 25 years) who is convinced that BO will never be the presidential nominee because he will be disqualified or something. She thinks HC should accept the VP spot because in time she will eventually be president anyway. So, I will keep writing my letters to the superdelegates no matter what and I will wait and see what happens in the next few months. I don’t know if my friend has had a “vision” of the future or what, but I’m amazed by how confident she is in her belief that HC will be president. Best, Lara08
465 lol 36 / 64 McCain…
Hi Pumas – I got an email yesterday from a Puma that never blogs because she said she is not so tech. advanced but she reads and does the actions and then some. I asked permission to post her email so we can offer our thanks to her for all the wonderful things she has been quietly doing. Everyone needs a voice.. Her name is Mary from Los Angeles area..
*******
Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 6:08 PM, “Mary”wrote:
I received the posters and have already distributed some of them at several places in the area. Whittier is a neighboring city which has more Democrats than Orange County so I have taken some to the Whittier public libraries and carefully inserted them inside current magazines in the periodical section. Lots of Obama people in the Whittier vicinity. I like Border’s Book store, post offices, and super markets, too.
Today I sent 11 letters plus posters by snail mail to 11 congressional representatives at their local District offices here in California since I know they’re on vacation now. Nancy Pelosi never responded to my e-mail regarding the Convention, but Dianne Feinstein did.
I received my Hillary shirt today. Shed some more tears. I am not a blogger and not too advanced in technological skills but I did send my certified letters last week; sent another letter to HD and Donna B. today. I did a lot of faxing last week, and, I want to help in any way I can. ( I had been sending certified mail to HD before Puma was founded.)
I have never stood alone on a public street for any cause, but I did stand on a street corner in Whitter for four years protesting the war—sometimes there were 20 of us; but many times there were only 2 (including me). For Hillary, I would do that, so whenever Obama comes to this area, I plan to wear my Hilllary shirt and hold my sign of protest —alone, if necessary.
I wish somebody with good writing skills could write to Bill Schneider of CNN. I don’t think he understands the Clinton supporters’ reasons for protesting the DNC’s selection of Obama.
Thanks much.
No need to answer. Just keep up the good work.
Rendell Letter
Dear Pumas, I’m not always known for brevity. But I wanted to give Governor Rendell some reasons why I won’t vote for Obama. Enclosed is the letter I will fax to him shortly … with copies to other folks as appropriate. Enjoy …
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Dear Governor Rendell:
I’m greatly disappointed in your decision to instruct Hillary Clinton’s pledged delegates not to sign the petition to put her name in nomination for a roll call vote in Denver.
I sincerely hope this is nothing more than a clever façade to keep Obama and the DNC from learning about whatever secret plans you have for ensuring that Hillary is nominated at the convention. You would be my hero if you turned this whole election around.
Meanwhile, I ask you to carry my message to anyone who will listen. I and my friends will not vote for Obama under any circumstances. We gave him fair consideration in the beginning. There was a time we favored a Clinton-Obama ticket. There was a time we might have voted for him if Hillary asked us to. All of that is gone.
We don’t want Obama anywhere near the White House, where he will undoubtedly bring ruin to the United States. We don’t want him anywhere near Hillary Clinton, where he would undoubtedly ruin her career. That amazing woman doesn’t need to be tarnished by Obama’s considerable baggage.
There are many reasons why I won’t vote for Obama … and why I will instead vote for John McCain in November if Obama is the nominee. For the sake of brevity, I’ll cite only my top four … the real deal-breakers, the ones that no one, not even Hillary, can argue against.
First came the Reverend Wright story. It’s human nature to embrace the attitudes of others around us when we want to fit in, to belong, and to be liked. Thus there’s every reason to believe that Obama embraces the hateful teachings of Revered Wright, despite his insistence to the contrary.
I find Obama to be dismissive of everyone and everything that doesn’t serve his immediate interests. I first noticed this when he refused to do additional debates with Hillary, even though voters in upcoming primaries wanted to hear more debates. But now I see it in all of his actions. It was the same trait I saw in George Bush in 2000. It’s that very same dismissive tendency that led us into this horrible Iraq war. Obama would be just as dangerous to America and the world as George Bush is.
Throughout the primary season, Obama kept saying, “I welcome that debate with John McCain.” Yet he has repeatedly refused to do the ten town hall debates that John McCain proposed and that many voters would like to see. This, more than anything, reveals to me Obama’s character. It tells me he’s not a man of his word, that he cannot and will not reach across the aisle to work with Republicans, and that he doesn’t believe in transparency in government. It tells me that he fears John McCain will expose the lack of substance behind his rhetoric. And it tells me that he’s afraid to speak without a teleprompter and the scripted words of the DNC puppet masters.
Finally, I think Obama as President would spell economic disaster for the United States. I began fearing his economic policies when I saw how he would often outspend Hillary by two-, three-, or four-to-one, but Hillary consistently got more votes per dollar spent. Much fuss has been made about her campaign debt, but Hillary knows how to “do more with less.” John McCain, too, knows how to do more with less. He was nearly counted out last summer, yet he came back to win his party’s nomination on a shoestring budget.
Meanwhile, I see Obama spending obscene amounts of money on things that do little more than feed his ego (e.g., repainting his airplane and creating a phony presidential seal he had to abandon because of so much negative publicity). Obama spends money recklessly, as do many people who suddenly come into unearned wealth. I fear that he would be extremely wasteful with taxpayer money, and that America and Americans alike would be plunged into far greater debt than we have ever seen if Obama were President.
Again, I hope you are working very hard behind the scenes to get Hillary nominated, despite current outward appearances. I sincerely believe it’s the only chance of getting a Democrat in the White House this time.
Thank you for your consideration.
Well… there is one bright thought to the VP rumor.
She takes it, he gets disqualified, prosecuted, thrown under the bus…. she’s our PRESIDENT!
AWHHHHHHH: PEACE
#455 Amarissa on 08.12.08 at 2:36 pm
Who cares what an ornery jacka$$ like Caferty thinks. I’m just amazed that he actually has a TV program. How can one person be so constantly miserable? If he isn’t an argument for psychotropic medications, I don’t know what is. The guy definitely needs a “personality adjustment.”
Some states are tightening in favor of McCain
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election
Murphy , sent this out snail mail this morning -
Mrs Ferraro ,
I am writing to thank you for your unwavering support and loyalty to Sen. Clinton throughout this entire political process .
Sen. Clinton is the rightful nominee . She is the right choice for our Party . The right choice for our Country , and you have helped to pave her way .
Your undiluted resolve when being confronted by friends , peers , and colleagues who have chosen to ignore even the most basic principles of Democracy has inspired millions of us to seek that same strength in ourselves .
We too have chosen to stand for what we believe in . To call subterfuge and misogyny by name , and to shine our lights on the corrupt practices of a leadership that has failed to adhere to the values of equality and justice that we hold dearly . We are Pumas .
We are a part of a larger group , but in the end , we are one . One woman , one man , one voter , one American , one PERSON who refuses to fall in line , to sit in the back of the bus , or to be herded like cattle to our own destruction . We are one person , and we want what we are guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States , one vote .
I believe that , because of your example , guidance , and tireless pursuit of equality in the Democratic process , we are very close to righting wrongs , to being heard , and ,ultimately , to making history . For these things , and so much more , I Thank You .
Sincerely ,
Kimberly Cooper
Puma Democrat
OK. I’m throwing my hat into the ring of VP speculation:
Hard to imagine an Obama/Clinton ticket.
BO would have a lot of difficulty dealing with a VP as strong as Clinton.
Clinton, it seems, would be relegating herself to the second fiddle position which would give her little wiggle room to ever rise the the top post (since VP’s don’t typically run against the incumbant, which would mean that IF BO is elected and IF he has 8 years in office, Clinton would be pushing the age of 70 by the time she’d be in the free and clear to run).
BUT, being my own devil’s advocate, VP’s do hold power, including being tie breakers in the Senate. So, if she felt that her chances of ever becoming President are over, a VP slot would surely increase her political power significantly.
HOWEVER, it seems pretty clear that those of us who continue to be so outspoken about our support of Clinton, for the most part, would not support Obama if he put her on the ticket, so it’s hard to imagine what he think he’d gain by doing so.
BUT, he may be counting on more of us “falling in line” between now and election day if she’s his vp.
HOWEVER, we have nothing to do but wait and see.
THEREFORE,
signed,
overthinking in ca!
#421 murphy on 08.12.08 at 2:18 pm
OKAY OKAY OKAY (wink)
Thank you note to Ms. Ferraro is on it’s way!
Going to pass out flyers with a friend…. in a rent-a-car.
See ya later.
#441 NoObo, LMAO Obama is about that stupid!!!
#472 – Mary in LA – you are doing a fabulous job! I am so proud to your fellow Puma.
Just completed the Rendell Prowl!
Keep fighting the good fight Pumas!
Geez, Firebelle – It’s like a 3-alarm fire is going off in your head. You are on a roll today! Thanks for bringing so much great energy to the blog.
I gotta go. Later all —
475…. i agree…he is the worst male shovenist on tv.
451 Amarissa
Thanks for the link. There were still only 11 comments when I went and none of them were good. So I added my 2 cents.
I said:
It is imperative that the voices of all of the people who voted are heard.
Democrats were up in arms when the election was stolen by George Bush, who won on delegates alone and not on the popular vote. Now why are we required to stand idly by and allow our nomination to be stolen while our voices lie silent.
This is not about race, or sex. This is about the right of the American person to have their vote be counted. Not disregarded, and not manipulated into nonexistence.
I am not a fanatic for Hilary, in fact I initially supported Obama. I am an American and I refuse to acknowledge the result of any electoral process where votes were swayed with illegal and deceptive means.
If she is VP, would she have to wait 2 terms to run for POTUS? (I know I’m getting ahead of myself) I just don’t want her to be VP – she deserves to be President!
#304 freddie
Sure, you can hire an attorney ( at @ 300 + per hour ),
hire an investigator to verify claims ( don’t know what they charge ) , maybe get an indictment in 1 or 2 years,
procede to trial ( with many many delays by the attorneys for the defendant ). Besides these minor problems, the media, Obama’s thugs, and the DNC will be dragging your name through the mud ( or your body ).
And, in the end ( in about 10 years ) if you are successful at winning the case ( however that would be defined ), it would be referred to the less-than-supreme court who would inevitably rule against you.
Unfortunately our political process is like an old boys club and the nefarious “they” are more worried about someone (anyone ) challenging them than they are about “rights” or “liberties”.
It’s unfortunate but we have the best system of “justice” that money can buy. I went to a seminar at Harvard Law once and the topic was; ” you are not here to deliver “justice”, you are here to learn the “law “. )
And he who has the money makes the laws.
Let me try it again –
#472 – Mary in LA – you are doing a fabulous job! I am so proud to be your fellow Puma.
Okay fellow PUMAS…I’m not good at writing letters like many of you are, but here’s my note:
Dear Geraldine Ferraro,
I just want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for standing up for Democracy. What happened to the Democratic Party? I thought it was the Party for The People. Do you know I signed up to vote for the first time because of Hillary? I have recently switched to Independent because I am embarrassed to call myself a Democrat. I thank you for staying true to yourself and not caving in to party pressure. Aren’t you glad that you can look at yourself in the mirror and know that your vote wasn’t bought, unlike so many others in the Democratic Party? YOU GERALDINE FERRARO ARE A HERO TO WOMEN EVERYWHERE!
Sincerely,
I could never vote for Junior even if he has Hillary as his “number two” (which is how his low-life supporters have been treating her all along anyway).
I hope to hell it isn’t Hillary. If he loses the GE, then *she* will be blamed. If he *wins* the GE, we will have eight long years of “arrogant and clueless” as the Leader of the Free World (wait … didn’t we just *do* eight years of that??). And then we will have to wait and wait for Madame President to take over … and wait … and wait …
NO!! HILLARY — JUST SAY “NO DEAL”!! AND WE HAVE YOUR BACK IN 2012!
NYCgirl
No
462 ipotter
You go girl!!! Isn’t it fun? I really am going to take a break and get off this blog and turn off the TV.
351 Anna7000~~~You are just such an eloquent writer!!! I’m always impressed and amazed by your writing.
Getting back to the VP rumor – something I was thinking about and don’t know the answers.
Let’s say Obama becomes the nominee at the convention. Let’s say the whitey tape or something comes out later after the convention and before the general election that October surprise (something horrific). What is the next step in the process, who if anyone in the democrat party could/would step in and take that slot should it open?
Is it the nominee’s VP who steps in? If so, if Hillary were the VP (maybe Bill Clinton really does knows something). That would suggest Hillary could be sitting pretty good if she did take the rumored VP offer. If it’s not the VP who steps in who does step in, the runner up of the primaries? I just can’t help but feel there really is a surprise coming at some point. Which is why in my own heart I still won’t give up on Hillary till the general election is over.
484 prowlland~~~shovenist, or chauvinist?
IMPORTANT:
GreenFun – Thanks for your link. I don’t always open links cos of time issues.. so am copying a teaser here . I think it is very important for PuMA’s to know this in case they miss it…
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Will Clinton’s name go into nomination?
Sen. Hillary Clinton could put her name in nomination at Democratic convention
Candidates in past have contested nomination at the convention
No one in recent years has endorsed opponent, then put name in nomination
At past conventions, some delegates have voted for fictional characters
WASHINGTON (CNN) — If Sen. Hillary Clinton’s name is placed in nomination in Denver, Colorado, this year, it wouldn’t be the first time that a candidate was beaten in the primaries and still formally contested the nomination at the convention.
Sen. Hillary Clinton can win votes from delegates at the convention even if her name isn’t placed in nomination.
But it would be the first time in the modern era of presidential primaries that a losing candidate has so visibly endorsed an opponent so many months before the convention, and then gone on to have his or her name placed in nomination.
Clinton can still win votes from delegates at the Democratic National Convention even if her name is not placed in nomination. Delegates are free to vote for anyone they want to at the convention.
At past conventions, delegates have even been known to vote for fictional characters (Archie Bunker) and dead people (George Orwell).
It’s likely that Clinton will pick up some votes unless Sen. Barack Obama is nominated by acclamation. Watch more on the Democrats’ pursuit of unity »
But the buzz is that Clinton may take it a step further and have her name formally placed before the convention, complete with nominating speeches, seconding speeches and all the hoopla they produce. Such a move hasn’t happened at either party’s convention since 1992, when former California Gov. Jerry Brown had his name placed in nomination after losing the race to Bill Clinton in the primaries.
READ more here..
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/12/clinton/
#485 Caracal Carrie
Awesome!
#490 NYCgirl on 08.12.08 at 2:51 pm
And besides that…..I don’t want to lose her as our Senator from NY, just so she can hold Obama’s hand in the White House and coach him behind the scenes. Too much of a waste of talent to have her relegated to window dressing on an Obama ticket. If he can’t stand on his own, let him fall.
#36
I sent a thank you email to Sacha Millestone today. She responded with a very nice note saying that she appreciates all PUMA is doing.
#485 Caracal Carrie
Beautifully put, Caracal Carrie! Thank you!
Here’s what I posted:
“This is not uncommon, Jack. It has been done many times before with candidates who received far far fewer votes than Hillary! It is commonly done and more so this year since Hillary Clinton received 18 Million popular votes and 1800 pledged delegate votes! Neither candidate reached the required pledged delegate votes to win the nomination! Obama was made the winner through promised votes by the SuperDelegates.
Please inform yourselves before making false acusations! Between 1972 and 1992, 10 Democratic candidates who lost the nomination in the primaries went on to have their names formally placed in nomination at the convention!”
#475 BrooklynNY
Too Funny about Cafferty “If he isn’t an argument for psychotropic medications” lol
Ferraro letter mailed…..Peace
kai…that’s a great letter!! Never sell yourself short!!
Got to hand it to Clinton, that CNN article says:
“it would be the first time in the modern era of presidential primaries that a losing candidate has so visibly endorsed an opponent so many months before the convention, and then gone on to have his or her name placed in nomination.”
I think she is amazing in working her butt off to be a good democrat in spite of being accused of calling for the “chosen one’s” assassination in the RFK thing and everything else that went on.
I know, politics is politics and at the end of the day it is just something of a game… but still I really don’t think she likes bo much. And I don’t think bo likes women in general (sweetie, finger, bitch rap).
No way she could ever be the vp. They could nominate her, but there is no way bo can win so I don’t think we have to worry about her being vp.
By the way, NQ has a piece on ethical practices and mentions PUMAs. It might be good for everyone to read even if you don’t agree with it or like NQ.
Let’s stick together no matter what.
Morning Pumas,
Prowls done. Mailing my thank you to G. Ferraro this P.M . Called Randell’s office 717 #, the lady I spoke with asked me how I got the memo, I said that wasn’t important but I’d tell her if she’d offer a reasonable explanation of Rendell’s undemocratic behavior!…..silence…….then I said thank you and hung up.
I have a few words I would like to say about Cafferty but I am afraid they aren’t words I should use here. Let’s just say when I hear Cafferty name, I feel the need to vomit.
PUMAS PLEASE GO AND ATTACK CAFFERTY HE IS TRYING TO PUT US AS A GROUP FORMED TO DISRUPT THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS!
http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/
Here is another comment he made on his post:
“A humorless organization called “The Denver Group” ran an ad in a Capitol Hill newspaper demanding that Hillary’s name be placed in nomination at the convention and demanding that speeches be allowed in support of her nomination. They’re just full of demands.
And if they don’t get their way they are threatening a revolt. The ad says, “Will Howard Dean and the DNC turn the Democratic Party into the Boston Tea Party?” More demands. They demand a roll call vote on her nomination… presumably after those speeches they are demanding. This despite the fact that she lost and dropped out of the race months ago.”
Saw an e-mail pop up as I was about to go – a response from Mary Isanhour after I contacted her with a brief e-mail inquiring as to the purpose of their action:
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We are not discouraging delegates from doing anything. We are simply asking them to refrain from signing the petition until Senator Clinton’s wishes are known.
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My response:
Thank you so much for responding to my e-mail, and in such a timely fashion.
Per your response, the difference between “discouraging” and “asking them to refrain” seems little more than semantics. In any case, what’s your point in intervening in any way, shape, or form around this issue, in this way, at this time?
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ok, i’m late and flying out the door
ps – thanks mountain song. you are a very generous spirit imho
JUST GOT ON . . HAVEN’T HAD TIME TO CHECK PREVIOUS BLOGS, SO DON’T KNOW WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS DISCOVERING.
I called the Capitol building number . . was forwarded to DNC headquarters. (Said they didn’t handle those issues there) “DNC secretary said that Rendell suggested that delegates wait to hear what Hillary wants to do. .but could do what they wanted to do!
“No pressure!” MY response was that it is my understanding that delegates have the RIGHT to circulate a petition apart from the candidates consent, as provided in the nominations rule book for the DNC. She again assured me that delegates can do as they wish, and said she would log my concern.
BrooklynNY…great comment on that old bag of wind..i wrote something to you before but got bumped… He’s too old and cranky and nsty for a personality adjustment, and too set in his despicable outlook on life for an attitude adjustment…i think he talks to make sure he’s still alive…
485 Caracal Carrie
Isn’t this a great place to be? Do you see how everyone is working together to achieve a common goal? These are Pumas own words from the heart and not something passed on to “indoctrinate” supporters.
Welcome again Carrie.
Peace
#431 doria – LMAO – I love it!
Everyone – Please go to http://www.barrysoetero.com check out where it takes you!
I love it!
Sent my letter to Geraldine! Woohoo
If anyone wants to spread the info on the delegates being harassed or Rendel’s memo , here are some media e-mails you can copy and paste .
48hours@cbsnews.com; 60II@cbsnews.com; earlyshow@cbs.com; evening@cbsnews.com; 2020@abc.com; nightline@abcnews.com; netaudr@abc.com; americatalks@foxnews.com;
#493 Bill-K
This is exactly what I think! She steps in as VP and then he is impeached and she is IN!
PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT
Your prowl is in the mail.
This is essential work that you are doing. Take courage and do the work.
Be sure to come back and brag. We need the support and motivation.
Mama
More
newshour@pbs.org; msnbcreports@msnbc.com; hardball@msnbc.com; dateline@nbc.com; nightly@nbc.com;
[After you have finishes today's prowl]
Hello fellow PUMAs.
We finally have some momentum on our side wrt a blistering viral video campaign. One Theme: Obama Fails Commander In Chief test — 3am moment has come and gone, but Obama fails.
Please help us with scripts, resources, ideas or just simply passing the link along.
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=23287
It will take a couple days before GeekLove’s friend can begin the construcion of the videos.
Once created and distributed to SDs, Media and Internet… This WILL HELP us change the game.
There is no way that all SDs will continue to push such a WEAK candidate.
I have faith. Do you?
Thanks.
more
letters@time.com; letters@newsweek.com; ombudsman@washpost.com; letters@washpost.com; wsj.ltrs@wsj.com; editor@usatoday.com; nytnews@nytimes.com; letters@latimes.com; phil.boyce@abc.com; rush@eibnet.com; totn@npr.org; morning@npr.org;
ok , this is enough
Ontherecord@foxnews.com; Hannity@foxnews.com; Oreilly@foxnews.com; Foxreport@foxnews.com; Special@foxnews.com; members@pumapac.org
511 mimi1020
couldn’t get your link to Barry to work..
#513 –
You think he would get impeached?
#475 BrooklynNY
Agree, but I am not leaving without a fight! EVERY DAY I give him my opinion because I cannot stay quiet to his lies and evil comments. The space is there to answer, the more comments in favor of Hillary, the better!
JUST GOT ON . . HAVEN’T HAD TIME TO CHECK PREVIOUS BLOGS, SO DON’T KNOW WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS DISCOVERING.
I called the Capitol building number . . was forwarded to DNC headquarters. (Said they didn’t handle those issues there) “DNC secretary said that Rendell suggested that delegates wait to hear what Hillary wants to do. .but could do what they wanted to do!”
“No pressure!” MY response was that it is my understanding that delegates have the RIGHT to circulate a petition apart from the candidates consent, as provided in the nominations rule book for the DNC. She again assured me that delegates can do as they wish, and said she would log my concern.
**MAMA PUMA-Capital Building number doesn’t work. Can another number be posted, or perhaps Mary Isenhour’s email?
Some of these are coming back to me as undelivered , but not many .
If there is a new prowl , I am not getting it …..
trish – got in the car.had to come back. forgot to say what a GREAT letter you wrote to ferraro. didn’t want the day to pass and overlook complimenting you on it.
i’m outta’ here, no turning back this time —–
#525 Rancho,
One of Gov. Rendell’s office workers told me she knows it’s frustrating to not get an answer re. political stuff so gave me this # to call: State Committee Office (PA Democratic Party):
# 717 -920- 8470
Add it to the prowl list
CALL
Sorry, #527 – Rancho
One of Gov. Rendell’s office workers told me she knows it’s frustrating to not get an answer re. political stuff so gave me this # to call: State Committee Office (PA Democratic Party):
# 717 -920- 8470
Add it to the prowl list
CALL
#497 BrooklynNY
As another NYer, I agree that it would be a waste of talent to have Hillary as VP to a clueless loser rather than have her stay in the Senate crafting legislation for us. I really think she feels the same way — She will work her rear end off for us in the Senate for the next four years before running again, either for re-election to the Senate, or (please, gods!) running again for POTUS.
NYCgirl
Has another prowl been sent out – other than the one from this morning?
#512 mimi1020 on 08.12.08 at 3:01 pm
Hilarious! Thanks.
Randell’s office must be swamped with phone calls because I just called and the secretary listened and then transferred me to PA’s democratic party’s voice mail to leave them the message!
I spoke kindly and let him know that I was aware of the letter and how disappointed I was that he was stopping the delegates in signing the petition…Wow! I am still shocked, I supported him for so many years! I don’t know what or who to believe anymore. I find solace here with other PUMAs… Geez…what’s next???
I also wrote to Geraldine Ferraro. Didn’t get my Prowl today.
Wow…I knew I was right to change my affiliation to Independent last May with all this nonsense and join PUMA in June.
Yup…McCain can still count on me in November…I will remember ALL of this!
#511 Amarissa I posted to our friend Jack C i’m still in moderation but Vonay yours got posted so maybe there is hope for me going back to watch general hospital now bbl.
LINE OF CANDIDATE SUCCESSION
#494 bill-K
Here’s the problem that arises when the candidate nominated at the convention later becomes unavailable to run for office: getting a replacement candidate onto the ballots in the several states.
#531 Pumetta Thank you!
Anyone have Mary Isenhour’s phone number? Pumetta .is the number you gave me the same number?
Mailed my card to Ms. Ferraro with handwritten letter. I sent it overnight mail, she’ll receive it tomorrow.
I also called Rendell’s office and also referred to the PA democratic party. The woman I spoke to try to tell me the wording was for the delegates to not sign the petition until the negotiations are done with Senator Clinton and *61. I baseically said so what. They can still sign the petition and have it ready. Both candidates do not have enough delegates to be the nominee and she should not even have to go through all of this.
I also sent him and email as followed:
Governor Rendell,
I was appalled to hear that you are asking delegates to NOT sign the petition to have Senator Clinton’s name put into nomination. In any case, I believe trying to force/encourage delegates to take a certain position is AGAINST DNC rules. What is the problem with her delegates signing the petition? Better prepared than not. Why isn’t her name already in nomination? Both candidates are very close with the number of delegates they have and there should be NO question that both names should should be up for nomination. Also, why does Senator Clinton have to jump through so many hoops to put her name in nomination and Senator Obama doesn’t??? This is blatant discrimination and should really be looked into.
Governor Rendell, I believe you KNOW Senator Clinton is THE most qualified out of all three candidates and when nominated, she will beat McCain hands down. I have really admired you, but more than that I thought you were a man of character and a true friend of Senator Clinton. I now am not sure but I hope you continue to remember why you have been so loved and why people respect you so much as you go through the next few weeks.
I am and always will be a supporter of Senator Clinton and I will NOT fall in line behind the broken DNC and Obama. I will never vote for him under any circumstances. It isn’t all about the issues but instead about his questionable associations, his lies, his flip flopping, his backroom tactics, virtually no experience, his inability to talk without a teleprompter and finally his lack of good character and his poor judgement. If by some small chance Senator Obama whould win the nomination then I WILL vote for Senator McCain. His judgement, character, experience, patriotism, commitment to our safety, working across the aisle are just a few reasons that I would vote for him and NOT Obama. Thousands and thousands of voters feel like I do. It was NOT Senator Clinton that divided the party but instead the horrendous actions of the DNC and Obama. Don’t blame her if the party is not united, instead blame the people you work for.
I URGE you to reconsider your letter and to send another one out to Senator Clinton’s delegates retracting what you asked them to do and ask them to vote for the candidate they are representing. I also urge you to do the right thing and vote for the BEST candidate, Senator Clinton, at the convention.
Thank you,
K. Casey
P.S. I was hoping at one time that Senator Clinton would consider you for VP when she won the nomination but now, I don’t know.
#538 – You’re welcome, Rancho.
The # I posted was the PA Democratic Office.
#71 Caracal Carrie
Welcome and great choice for a name. For those who don’t know a caracal is a small wild cat that looks very much like a puma.
My Letter to Hillary
Dear Pumas, here is the letter I will fax to Hillary’s campaign office. It’s not quite the letter I started the other day. However, after I wrote the letter to Ed Rendell, I found I could simply copy and paste a lot of that without having to duplicate my efforts. Enjoy …
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Dear Hillary,
I’m writing to ask that you allow your name to be placed in nomination at the Denver convention. And if you receive the most votes, I ask that you accept the nomination for President.
You’ve been a dutiful Democrat, publicly supporting the presumptive nominee. However, no matter what you say or do, you will not convince me or my friends to vote for Barack Obama. If you are not our nominee, we will vote for John McCain in November.
My friends and I gave Obama fair consideration in the beginning. There was a time we favored a Clinton-Obama ticket. There was a time we might have voted for Obama if you asked us to. All of that is gone. The more we see Obama and listen to Obama, the more we dislike and distrust him. Most of my friends and I describe him as “scary.”
We don’t want Obama anywhere near the White House, where he will undoubtedly bring ruin to the United States. We don’t want him anywhere near you either, where he would undoubtedly ruin your political career. Even if you were nominated on the condition that you take Obama as your Vice President, I wouldn’t be comfortable. You don’t need to be tarnished by Obama’s considerable baggage. And I would fear for your safety daily, knowing how desperate Obama is to become President no matter what it takes.
There are many reasons why I won’t vote for Obama … and why I will instead vote for John McCain in November if Obama is the nominee. For the sake of brevity, I’ll cite only my top four … the real deal-breakers, the ones that no one, not even you, can argue against.
First came the Reverend Wright story. It’s human nature to embrace the attitudes of others around us when we want to fit in, to belong, and to be liked. Thus there’s every reason to believe that Obama embraces the hateful teachings of Revered Wright, despite his insistence to the contrary.
I find Obama to be dismissive of everyone and everything that doesn’t serve his immediate interests. I first noticed this when he refused to do additional debates with you, even though voters in upcoming primaries wanted to hear more debates. But now I see it in all of his actions. It was the same trait I saw in George Bush in 2000. It’s that very same dismissive tendency that led us into this horrible Iraq war. Obama would be just as dangerous to America and the world as George Bush is.
Throughout the primary season, Obama kept saying, “I welcome that debate with John McCain.” Yet he has repeatedly refused to do the ten town hall debates that John McCain proposed and that many voters would like to see. This, more than anything, reveals to me Obama’s character. It tells me he’s not a man of his word, that he cannot and will not reach across the aisle to work with Republicans, and that he doesn’t believe in transparency in government. It tells me that he fears John McCain will expose the lack of substance behind his rhetoric. And it tells me that he’s afraid to speak without a teleprompter and the scripted words of the DNC puppet masters.
Finally, I think Obama as President would spell economic disaster for the United States. I began fearing his economic policies when I saw how he would often outspend you by two-, three-, or four-to-one, but you consistently got more votes per dollar spent. Much fuss has been made about your campaign debt, but you know how to “do more with less.” John McCain, too, knows how to do more with less. He was nearly counted out last summer, yet he came back to win his party’s nomination on a shoestring budget.
Meanwhile, I see Obama spending obscene amounts of money on things that do little more than feed his ego (e.g., repainting his airplane and creating a phony presidential seal he had to abandon because of so much negative publicity). Obama spends money recklessly, as do many people who suddenly come into unearned wealth. I fear that he would be extremely wasteful with taxpayer money, and that America and Americans alike would be plunged into far greater debt than we have ever seen if Obama were President.
Again, I pray that you will be our nominee after the Denver convention. I sincerely believe it’s the only chance of getting a Democrat in the White House this time.
Thank you for your consideration.
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And now to take care of some of my own business …
#507 Mary Beth613
Thank you for your kind words…but it’s true. I get on to this site and most of the PUMAS are so computer savvy! I have to ask my Pre-Teens for help most of the time. I learned to copy/paste for the first time 2 weeks ago and had forgotten how to do it by the next day. My kids have been very patient with me, but I think soon they’ll start charging me by the hour. Anyway, I think I’m getting better everyday. Now ask me to go shopping and that I can do very well, unfortunately as my husband likes to say! lol
Mailed my handwritten note to Ms. Ferraro this morning. It felt great! She will be pleasantly surprised with all of these notes of gratitude.
#540 diva2
What email address did you use for Gov Rendell. The one posted this morning is not working for me.
Update posted above. Copying it here. Please read it and spread the word. This guy’s attacks should be countered on the blogs.
UPDATE AUGUST 11th AT 3:09PM: It has come to my attention that the so-called Puma formerly known as Knoxville (aka Knoxville Puma, Knoxville Brian, and Brian Carniello) has been incessantly blogging lies and misinformation about Puma PAC and me personally all around the internet, specifically in regard to Puma PAC’s finances. As our members and most readers know, Puma PAC is a political action committee registered with the Federal Elections Commission. This means we must follow very strict and specific campaign finance laws, and that our financial disclosure forms are a matter of public record. In June of 2008 we raised just over $22,000. In July we raised approximately $20,000. Our July disclosure forms will be submitted this week and made public by the FEC soon after that. As of July 31st Puma PAC had spent about $8,000 on our documentary and youtube clips, $2,000 on printing and shipping, $5,000 on web hosting and development, and $2,500 on legal fees. The remainder being safe and sound and untouched in Puma PAC’s own bank account with Bank of America. Our budget for Denver is close to $20,000. That means we are frugal, cautious, and will soon be flat broke. ALL of our contributions come from individual donors, the VAST majority of them $25 or less. Please help spread these facts far and wide. Brian Carniello’s attacks are not merely damaging to me they are an attack on ALL of us and on the Puma Movement itself. Please email me at murphy@pumapac.org if you have more specific or further concerns. Thank you — Darragh Murphy.
#537 jbjd – Thanks for the info. I had forgot about that problem.
#71 bigcatlover, Don’t encourage her !!!! I had to look that name up and I know she’s gloating about it !!!!! lol
#490 Caracal Carrie yours is posted now too, I am getting more and more hopeful that mine finally will too.
#547 murphy
Brian is a kook, period. Brian is also trying to distory Will Bower now, goes to show how much of a kook he really is. Simply put, Brian is acting like a child because he didn’t get his way.
Stay clear, stay focused and let the kooks be kooks.
#533 TexasTigress
#535 Genevieve
Glad I’m not the only one…I did not get any of the prowls today either.
#469 doria – just voted (37:63 McCain) – thanks for the link!
#552 kai , prowlland did not get hers either …
POLLS, MASSACHUSETTS
WHDH-TV Suffolk University poll shows in June, BO had 23-point lead in MA over JMc; August lead down to 9 points.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/08/04/poll_obamas_lead_shrinking_in_massachusetts/
#555 jbjd
What hope does Obama have if he can’t even secure Massachusetts?
Can you EVEN imagine if the situation was reversed? If they were not allowing the first serious African American candidate’s name to be place in nomination? OMG — can you hear the outrage? And yet, it is ok for the first serious woman candidate? And we PUMAs are just crazy deadenders who just won’t “let it go.” Would they be telling Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson if the situation was reversed to let it go?
**Mama Puma . .see #525
Capital Building number doesn’t work. (Remove form prowl?) Can you post Mary Isenhour’s email or phone number instead?
or Pumetta’s PA Dem. office number (717)920-8410
SORRY GUYS TRY AGAIN, VERY FUNNY!
http://www.barrysoetoro.com/
OOPS!
PA dem. office number
(714) 920-8470
PLEASE NOTE!
#398nypuma: would make no difference to me or many others if this were the truth. Add Joan of Arc and Mother Theresa along with Hillary, and I and millions will never vote for fraud, radical socialist Mobamba.
Thanks for your post!
#546 BigCatLover
http//sites.state.pa.us/PA.Exec/governor/govmail.html
I don’t know where I even got it from. I tried to copy and paste it but didn’t work. Hope this works.
Rancho:
Executive Director
Mary Isenhour
Office Phone: (717) 920-8470
E-mail: maryp1016@aol.com
559 mimi,
I’ve tried that link a few times and I keep getting John Mccain
#561 NewOrleansPuma,
I agree with you 100% as lack of experience is NOT the only issue with BO. This man should not even be allowed to be in the US Senate!!!!!!!!!
Can I make a request ?
All these wonderful links.. that are abundant.
Could we have someone copy and paste it into a word document or some other document for easy retrieval in future ? Links get taken down so vital information is lost.
We need a good soldier PUMA to volunteer. all you have to do is copy and paste and give it a logical file name. Someone who is great with filing and have some spare time.
Peace
Notice
PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT
There are two prowls for today: Ferraro and Rendell.
Be diligent with this – you are the ones that they were not expecting!
Mama
#563 pa dem
Thank you!
MURPHY, MAMA PUMA. . update prowl to Rendell with Mary Isenhour’s number? (Sounds like many have not received prowl).
#564 tree
I KNOW – That’s what is so funny….hmmm??? wonder how, who & why?
#567 MamaPuma – I didn’t receive either prowl today.
LOL thanks Big Cat Lover!
I do love to gloat lol.
Hey you get to be right about Hilary I get to know a great Cat name…somehow I think your still ahead lol.
“Puma formerly known as Knoxville (aka Knoxville Puma, Knoxville Brian, and Brian Carniello)”
Faux-Puma Knoxville Puma, Knoxville Brian, Brian Carniello lies by omission. He edits comments by others, omitting the salient points, in order to present what, on the surface, may appear to be a reasonable arguement, and, coincidentally / conveniently, always frames him in a positive light.
Lying by omission, is still lying. Anyone interested in the truth would research his accusations, anyone who isn’t interested in the truth, isn’t worth the time and energy.
Maybe we should consider refunding Knoxville Fubar’s lifetime PumaPac contribution of $10?
Texas Tigress
Ah, the sister thing. I have one too and she is very competitive with me.
Freddie I am copying and pasting to Word as we …type?
CNN posted my comment about putting Hillary’s name during nomination process so her delegates and superdelegates can vote for her.
If you guys read those comments there, and some of you may follow what I’ve posted here, you will know my post in this ticker.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/12/will-clintons-name-go-into-nomination-stay-tuned/#comment-1464531
#547 murphy
When reading that post, I almost forgot where I am (at work) to go off on a tirade.
Murphy, I am so sorry that you have to put up with crap like that. I have NEVER doubted your intentions and I was one of the first on here. It is incomprehensible to me that someone claiming to be so forthright can do that….huh, on second thought that’s exactly what we’re fighting against.
I am webmaster and coordinator for three non-political community groups. When I volunteered for them, there wasn’t supposed to be a lot of time and money to be invested. WRONG!!! A lot of my time and money have been invested. When I started asking for donations, many couldn’t understand why. There are expenses that many of us don’t see.
Having someone like Murphy handling business behind the scenes is why we are so successful out in front. While we continue to do out prowls and comment…let’s remember thank Murphy for our firm foundation (I couldn’t have done it).
I posted this today in a response to a column arguing that Clinton must do more for party unity:
Hillary Clinton has repeatedly urged her supporters to support Obama and she is only expecting the same recognition at the Convention that many candidates before her have received without question. She is not to blame for Obama’s struggles. His own arrogance, inexperience, flip-flopping, unsavory associates, use of the race card, and fanatical supporters account for his current position. And possibly the American people are beginning to see the difference between a solid candidate and an empty one.
If Hillary’s supporters consider that she was badly treated during the campaign and refuse to vote for the presumptuous … oh, excuse me, I meant presumptive… nominee who nonetheless is completely unqualified to be President, we have every right. But don’t blame Hillary for our decisions as voters. She is doing her darnedest to be a team player. We are disenchanted with the team.
A friendly reminder that if you have an e-mail from a SD or Dem that you worked hard to find and you paste it here, you’ve done the homework for Bo Peeps sheep. Perhaps it would be best to send it to Mama or Murphy and they can quietly distribute it through their mailing list.
Peace lol
Murphy, I am outraged that anyone would claim to be a PUMA and make false, attack statements like that. I do all I can each Month and make a monthly contribution and will help as much as I can. Freddiebrown Puma, Thank you very much for the posters I received them today. You are so very generous. I don’t blog very much but I read each and every blog posted everyday. Sometimes I receive replies and I appreciate them but when I don’t that is ok also.
559 mimi1020 on 08.12.08 at 3:32 pm SORRY GUYS TRY AGAIN, VERY FUNNY!
http://www.barrysoetoro.com/
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Even though I think it is funny, I feel that McCain is now overdoing it with these type of ads. This is a campaign for the presidency, not an audition for Worlds Funniest Videos. IMHO
Murphy,
About Knoxville Brian, he is showing his ignorance.
As the old saying goes “Ignorance of the law excuses no one.”
Brian was blinded by his own anger or whatever it is the man is feeling when he posted those disparaging remarks, exposed his own ignorance about POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE. As I’ve said before PAC is being watch like a hawk by FEC.
Rendell is probably under pressure from the DNC to keep PA delegates from signing the petition that would put Hillary’s name into the nomination. He’s such a staunch supporter, I can’t imagine why he’d do/say this.
Murphy – now that just infuriates me that Knoxville Brian has resorted to spewing lies to get attention. Since he is after both you and Will, I would guess the two of you can come up with something to put a cease to his bloviating of lies.
#547 murphy
Murphy, we’ve got your back when it comes to setting the record straight on Brian’s rants. I suspect not many pay attention to his rants except for those who were already opposed to PUMApac.
Do you think we should respond when we see his venomous lies or let it rest?
#502Brooklyn NY: Agree totally. I surely wouldn’t want to loose her as my Senator either. He will fall and she should not place herself in the postion for that fall either. The political sleze facts are: If he wins (God help us.) she will receive little or no credit for that: if he looses ( May the Grace of God and action by humans, do that) she wll be blamed for that. She also knows that when she runs for Senate, as was done with Lieberman, whatever she does or doesn’t do, these sleze will run someone against here there.
Obamba was given the keynote speaker position, before he was even in the US Senate in prepartion for Hillary’s run. This whole move has been and remains an attempt to remove the Clinton’s from any substance of power within the party..Not simply a moving on but an absolute permanent defeat. This is why the only way to regain our Party is to deny what this move needs:
Election of sleze fraud, empty souled, amoral Mobamba.
He must and will be defeated in the fall. Hugs to New York and you from way down yonder!
Great prowls today. I still working on my handwritten letter.
Thank you, Murphy, for the foundation. Thank you to the rest of you PUMAs for the structure…I like what we are building.
By cease to Brian’s bloviating of lies, I mean in a legal way, not a physical way. Just wanted to make it clear to whoever is reading this so it is not construed in the wrong way.
Go Vote
Backers want Clinton nominated at convention
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/ 2008/08/11/MN8D128VO8.DTL&tsp=1
Prowls: If you didn’t get your prowls, please post your email here if you are OK with it. I am sure someone can email one to you. That way, it is done. Pls some one email me mine.. fred08puma@gmail.com Thanks and Peace with smile
hey Go
thanks for all the e-mails lol, good lord, my hard drive is only so big you know
Peace lol
#586 Middle age female
I like that.
If knoxville is that much of an issue, Murphy, use legal means to shut him down.
#580 Middle age female
I hear you, I am just glad to hear that they know about the Barry Soetoro potential disaster.
Truth is, the only one fit for the Presidency is Hillary Clinton! Nothing less will do!
Well, enough said for me on that subject. I’ve got to get back to work (and prowls).
Everyone, please make the best of your day. Let’s make every minute count.
#584 NewOrleansPuma
As a NYer born and raised, I appreciate your “hugs to New York”!
Yes, we love our Sen. Clinton here. We re-elected her in a landslide to the Senate and then gave her another landslide victory in the presidential primary. We do not want to lose her in the Senate, especially not to lose her as a *prop* to the arrogant nominee-select, who, I have heard, has no less than *300* advisors on his staff! Because he knows *nothing*! And Hillary would be forced to become “Advisor #301″! Forget it!
NYCgirl
Im had a little time si Decided to annoy some “O” bots. Anyone else want to play heres a good one.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/08/paris_hilton_an.html
Why would BO pick Hillary for VP when he could have MO and keep the peace at home? LMAO
Hey! I just discovered a trick! (techologically impaired here, according to my kids lol) If you hold your cursor arrow over a smiley, the code will show up.
587 Go,
All I get is cars, no vote anywhere
#574 Caracal Carrie
YOU are the BEST !! Thanks for volunteering to copy and paste the important links / articles.. I hope other PUMAs remember you if we’re looking for reference material.
There is a cheap software called “Snag It” that you can buy online. It takes a snap shot of everything exactly as you see it on the screen. Thanks again.
Fred: Sent you the prowls.
Trish: Thanks for the reminder.
Mary’s info was incredibly easy to find and I don’t think she is a superdelegate, so I didn’t mind posting it. If anyone finds info for a superdelegate, absolutely don’t post it on the blog.
Middle age female~~~ Hey, I learned a new word today, ‘bloviating’, although I have no idea what it means.
Still a bit of BO blue showing on
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/06/27/aol-straw-poll
Cast your vote!
As to Knoxville.
I asked him why he had his opinions. No offense to Murphy or anyone else but, I am not a kool aid sipper. If someone has a grievance I like to her what they have to say.If he is lposting lies you should respond here. In fact, you should invite him here and have an honest discussion of his complaints. Well maybe not here.
Obviously he wasn’t able to convince me to leave and I don’t think he will convince anyone else. However, we need a response from Murphy so we can argue against those who are using him to try and discredit PUMA PAC.
Concerning the pumalatinos.com website:
The site is still “in the works”. Right now it is in English only. I’m waiting for proper translations and then the site will be bilingual. Please help spread the word! We’re trying to reach out to Hillary’s Hispanic supporters and to give them a voice against the corruption of the DNC.
sorry here’s the complete link:
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/06/27/aol-straw-poll
Prowls completed.
BTW, thanks to those of you who have already mentioned and visited pumalatinos.
OK so much for a simple word doc lol.. I made an excel file to sort all of the links into subsections of videos, articles, sites, and contact information. So If anyone needs to refer back I have the info saved.
#459 59 Amarissa,
I try not to hate people, but I hate Jack Cafferty, he is so disgusting, and I think he is coming out of the closet with Obambi, he is so in love with him, I cannot imagine him having a conversation with his wife, she must have an Obambitis just by listening to him all day friking long!
#599 pa dem
Yikes! Sorry . .I hope I didn’t get you in trouble.
Thought the info. would be helpful for those who had NOT received the last prowl.
Sorry if already posted but too good to pass up. And be sure to vote in the poll.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/12/MN8D128VO8.DTL
Excerpt: Mauro said that because it was such a closely contested election, he is mystified as to why the Obama campaign is resisting and even balking at a roll-call vote, according to some reports.
“Are these folks so new to politics, are they so arrogant, that they think he’s different from every other nominee we’ve ever had?” he asks.
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Arrogant? In a word…YES!
#547 murphy wow watch my soap and all h*ll breaks loose. Also turn on CNN now, our good friend Jack is speaking now
#607 Caracal Carrie
Awsome, Thanks Carrie, YOU ROCK – so glad to see you jumping in and taking the BO by the horns, sorry I meant bull by the horns. LOL.
Pa Dems – Thanks for forwarding the prowls. Any one the wants the prowls, plse send me an email and I will forward.
fred08puma@gmail.com
#425 murphy
Done for Ferraro and Done for Rendell.
#547 murphy on 08.12.08 at 3:21 pm
You’ve got mail. Might be of some use.
MountainSong
Bloviating is a term often applied to Rush Limbaugh, so that should give you some idea of what it means.
#584 NewOrleansPuma on 08.12.08 at 3:50 pm
Thank you so much for your kind words. You warmed my heart today.
#597 tree
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/11/MN8D128VO8.DTL&tsp=1
Please Vote
618 Go,
Thank you
#618 goandersen
Just voted — “YES”, of course!
NYCgirl
I’ve been lurking here for a while and been doing some prowls on my own. Just joined, wrote my thank you note to Ferraro and contacted Rendell.
Mary Beth613
So sorry if I’ve confused you. How I understand it is that Rep. Ferraro has spoken out many times during this primary, calling it like it is. Yesterday she did it again and Murphy has asked us to thank her.
I shared my reaction to Rep. Ferraro’s comments back in March because that is what led me to become active and ultimately a PUMA. Thus I was more than happy to write a thank you note.
madazhel
I’ve just read today’s posts and I’ve seen that some of you earlier in the day were speaking about the possibility of legal action against BO concerning his ineligibility.
I don’t know if this info has already been given by some of you here, but apparently conservative groups have already launched a petition to the FEC (Federal Election Commission). A professor is at the origin of this petition that can be signed online, and which starts as follows :
“The signers of this petition request the Federal Elections Commission and Mr. Donald McGahan, FEC chairman, to take responsibility to verify the eligibility of Mr. Barack H. Obama to be President of the United States. Mr. Obama has refused to produce a physical certified, stamped copy of his birth certificate”
More details here :
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=71763
Text of the petition :
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Federal-Elections-Commssion/
Presentation by the professor on his blog :
http://mitchell-langbert.blogspot.com/2008/08/obama-investigation-petition-breaks.html
MountainSong – I have a whole new vocabulary now that I have been listening to Bill O’Reilly. LOL
#608 Beca4Hillary
I hate him with a passion! I just heard him read the question on the air and I almost threw a bomb at the tv set! I think he has divorced three or four times! NO ONE can stand him!
#617Brooklyn,NY: Oh, I’m so glad of that. May your stout and passionate heart remain warmed, especially when those winter snows start rolling in!
I have only been to Nycity twice, many years ago..never got to Brooklyn, which Ireally wanted to do, but Iwas on someone else’s schedule then. You may enjoy, though, as I did that I twice had someone tell me in graduate school in Missouri, that they definitely thought I was from Brooklyn because of my accent. Somebody else said No, New Jersey.
I loved it….we here do not have what most call a typical southern accent. I once had a linguist explain that some of our nontypical accent did come down from some areas of NY..very complicated..anyway, accent or not……I stand with you, keep that heart warm, and never give up as I won’t either to take back the heart and the soul and the spirit of OUR Party and to stand for our Hillary….
#618 goandersen – good article, I put my yes vote in.
I still don’t understand what the problem is. This is plain stupid, the closest primary election ever not to mention the historic reason behind it and what has happen in past conventions – yet it is like pulling teeth to get Hillary in the nomination process.
This is very wrong and it has to stop.
Everyday we see one more example that the Democratic has lost its soul.
The challenge to the Denver attendees is how to correct a party that is obviously out of balance.
For all the voting violations that the Republicans did to the Democrats in the last two elections, this time the Democrats are doing it to themselves and to their voters. Bye, Bye DNC
Murphy:
You should not waste a minute of your time on Knoxville! I for one do not need you to explain anything about PUMA PAC’s money situation or how you decide it should go. I trust you 100%. The more we answer this ex friend, the more it seems we fear him. We have a job to do, elect Hillary! that is the only issue that requires our inmediate attention!
I meant “Democratic Party” in the first line.
Go to this link and vote to put Hillary’s name in nomination.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/11/MN8D128VO8.DTL&tsp=1
Vote, then refresh, then vote again, then refresh…what fun!
Quick check in and then out again…
557 cat balu – right on. you nailed it. just one of countless examples of what has made all of this so infuriating.
565 roxy in cali – yup.
607 caracal carrie – way to go. thank you. what a generous thing to do. one of those tedious thankless tasks. and freddie, great idea. yeah, there are so many resources and links that just get lost in the blog. glad ou and caracal coordinated on this great idea.
628 taylorgrob1 – yup. i feel like, with dems like this, who needs republicans?!*
This gets more and more infuriating with each passing minute!
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/call7investigators/17163668/detail.html
DENVER — An e-mail sent from the political director of the Colorado Democratic Party threatened the status of a national delegate, alleging she made “disparaging public remarks” about Sen. Barack Obama.
Hello, To all fellow Puma’s
I have been busy this summer but checked back now and then.
I was upset to see the Governor of my state, Rendell telling people not to put Hillary on the roll call. I’am very upset because I really liked him, and he has done a lot for Pa.
I have contacted his office by E-mail last month to ask him to support Hillary. And I contacted Patrick Murphy of my district today and asked him to allow Hillary to be on the roll call in Denver in August and be recognized. Because I said if she is not then, it would be a tradgedy for the men and women who gave their lives, so that we could have the right to vote.
Also I tried to contact the other Pa. delegates but their web sites don’t let you E-mail them if your not in that district.
And also I was upset to hear also about “Wizard” my condolences also to his family.
I have learned a lot at this web site and hope the charisma that everyone shares here, keeps going!!!
Good Bye for now, In Pa.
ps murphy, i second trish’s e-mail. best to respond to knoxville or best to not fuel his ego by adding even a single word in response? sometimes the more powerful response is none, but wondering what you feel in this situation.
MountainSong @@@@@@@@ Hey there !! just logged on. What is going on with the prowls for today.. ??
#589 TrishfromCanada
Don’t you like choice? I do….
CAfferty didn’t have the testicular fortitude to post my comment, and I was so darned respectful and didn’t even sign it “PUMA PAC MEMBER”.
Amazing how these cowards hide behind big money and big mouths while not allowing comments that can’t be refuted or call them on the carpet.
We must continue on, there’s too much at stake!
Please donate what you can.
633 NObama Dem – a few others posted about this. quite insane and scarey. combine this with FISA and pretty soon we’ll have the thought police and it will be like some futuristic horror movie (which i think has already begun, but we’re working as hard as we can to keep it to the length of a trailer and not a blockbuster feature film).
Also e-mailed Fast Eddie Rendell, along with 2 phone calls, and will get card in the mail to Gerry tomorrow.
#629 Amariisa,
Knoxville has made more arguments than just the financial one. One he has made is the about the male bashing that goes on here from time to time.
Now, I usually just let it pass.I understand that a lot of PUMAS are feminists and are enraged over HRCs treatment based on her gender. A little venting doesnt bother me at all. However, when you allow some one to take those few instances and use them to demean PUMA as a whole, you are giving credence to PUMAS enemies who claim that everyone here is just bitter because a woman got beat.
The fact hat you don’t care what Knoville says isn’t the point. The point is how many others will hear of PUMA through his posting?
We need to counter in a reasonable manner.
fox now
I am off to the Post Office with Ferraro letter and some Puma terrritory marking materials!
Peace Out
#638 heysandy wrote:
“CAfferty didn’t have the testicular fortitude to post my comment, and I was so darned respectful and didn’t even sign it “PUMA PAC MEMBER”.
“TESTICULAR FORTITUDE” IS ONLY EVIDENT IN THOSE WHO WEAR PANTSUITS AND PEARLS! AND WE WILL NOT SEE CAFFERTY LOOKIN’ LIKE THAT ANYTIME SOON!
NYCgirl
Go to fox Neil Cavuto now Clinton delegate coming up
MURPHY @@@@@@@@@ just sent you more money !! use it where you need it.. I am so flipping mad at the audacity of RENDALL !! What is next ?? These people should all be in JAIL !!
Hello, everyone. I’ve been reading awhile and just signed up. I’m in it to win!!!!!!!!!! Gooo Hillary!
could someone please post the contact info for Rendell.??
The lady that got reprimanded for sending that email about BO is going to be on Fox
#644 is a good example of what can be presented as male bashing. Take this:
“TESTICULAR FORTITUDE” IS ONLY EVIDENT IN THOSE WHO WEAR PANTSUITS AND PEARLS! AND WE WILL NOT SEE CAFFERTY LOOKIN’ LIKE THAT ANYTIME SOON!
And show it as a PUMA point of view.
Now how do you think others will see that?
NYC girl, I know your not bashing males in general. Just cafferty.
I wonder if we Pounded the Hounds too hard! LOL!
For those of you who remember the good ole days!
http://sites.state.pa.us/PA_Exec/Governor/govmail.html
Contacting Gov. Rendell. Call all of these numbers:
Main Office, Capitol Building: 717-787-2500
Northeast Region: 570-614-2090
Southeast Region: 215-560-2640
Northwest Region: 814-878-5719
Southwest Region: 412-565-5700
Special Assistant to the Governor, Lance Simon: 717-787-2500
#650 Goanderson Lol. I forgot about them. Wasn’t much of a movement was it? Rofl.
FOX News – Intimidating Delegates coming up.
#555 jbjd
That’s great. Some of us have been working our paws off in MA.
#556 pie
I will be deliriously happy if the self-annointed messiah loses Kennedy’s state. And I will be dancing from the Pru if kerry loses his bid for re-election.
re#561
i’m with you 100% on that one!!!
I think we need to fill up his email also…
http://sites.state.pa.us/PA_Exec/Governor/govmail.html
I did….
prowlland @@@@@@@ thank you very much.. I did not receive any prowls for today.
#650 go
You can’t pound hounds too hard . . . they have thick skulls. You have to beat them a few times just to get their attention.
Completed prowls. I’m glad we have a way to thank Ferraro for speaking the truth when the media “experts” were cringing in fear.
657 I didnt get one either…someone had to send ot me me on my webpage
…that why i got to it so fast…
for those coming on in the afternoon
PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT
make sure that you do your polictical action work today.
it is very important.
anyone who did not receive a prowl should write to me at MamaPumaMass@aol.com. You have to have joined to be on the mailing list.
come back and brag
Mama
Comments needed.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article/comments/view?f=/c/a/2008/08/11/MN8D128VO8.DTL&o=1
Go Sascha Millstone another brave woman who stands alone and fights for justice, on fox news’ Neil Cavuto!
#644 NYCgirl on 08.12.08 at 4:40 pm
Now THAT would be a site for sore eyes! LOLOLOL!
I despise that man. He’s so crotchety and just plain miserable.
#113 BrooklynNY on 08.12.08 at 11:39 am
Hooooyaahh!
Sacha Millstone on Cavuto now. Way to go.
She is articulate, courageous and persuasive…
…a true PUMA!!!
Sooooooooo the DNC lied and Hillary will not be on the ballot???
My note (on my favorite stationary) to Geraldine Ferraro:
Dear Ms. Ferraro, I wanted to take the time to thank you for the efforts you are making to stand up to misogyny in the media, in our politics and sadly in our culture. When you take this stand you do so for Hillary Clinton and for me. I thank you again from the bottom of my heart.
I went to the allegre site to check on the Oregon delegate problem. I live in Oregon and if anyone else here also lives in Oregon, please do something similar. This is what I sent to our Hillary delegate who is trying to get the other Oregon delegates to switch to Obama, which is against Oregon DNC law.
credentials_chair@dpo.org her e-mail address.
Dear Ms. Calvo,
I have been made aware of a situation that is very troublesome for me as a Democrat in Oregon who voted for Senator Clinton in the primary. It is my understanding that you are encouraging the other Oregon delegates for Hillary to change their position and announce to the DNC that they are switching their vote to Senator Obama. This is not legal in the rules of the Oregon DNC, our delegates are not allowed to switch their alliance until:
(a) The candidate is nominated at the convention;
(b) The candidate receives less than 35 percent of the votes for nomination at the convention; (c) The candidate releases the delegate from the pledge; or
(d) Two convention nominating ballots have been taken.
None of these things have happened we still only have a presumptive nominee. I thought long and hard before I voted and I want my vote counted. My assumption is that you and the other Oregon Hillary delegates are responsible for my vote. Please treat it with care.
Please if I am wrong, I apologize. If I am right fix this problem immediately.
Thank you for your time.
Just got the prowls………..thanks mama !!
CNN is about to give some publicity to Sheehan’s campaign.
Murphy, I wouldn’t spend any time regarding Knoxville.
You don’t have to defend yourself to us because ( being the smart PUMAs we are ) we understand what a PAC is.
Knoxville-tick is just trying to get under your skin.
Go Sasha, Obama is just a political gang banger and thug!
Just saw the Colorado Clinton delegate on faux news just now – & she made the point that we all have been saying – telling Clinton voters to shut up and just get over it will not promote party unity – good for her — she also told cavuto that she is not voting for mccain….
I just cannot believe how thickheaded these pundits are – do we need to print in big block letters and speak in 1 syllable words in order to make understand how we feel?
he coudln’t drag it out of her that she would vote for MCCain…. lol … she said what she had to though…
New Thread
We need a new thread….this one is putting me to sleep when I hit refresh…
Obama has aired over 9 thousand LOCAL ads in FL while McCain hasn’t aired any. McCain still holds slight lead.
Poor Obama . . .repeating the same lies 9 thousand times doesn’t make them true.
you know …didn’t MO say that she would have to think about voting for Hilllary ???? ( if Hill got the nomination…a long time ago ) ????
#645 roxy4hill2 on 08.12.08 at 4:41 pm
JUST SAW SACHA MILLSTONE ON CAVUTO!!!!
Thanks for the tip, Roxy, or I would have missed it!
Yeah! So glad to see Cavuto covered her. I had a feeling he would!
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If you’re on now, Just.words, did you see it?
#614 freddiebrown – you have email
Bill Clinton’s birthday is Saturday.
http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/news/?cid=98591
I have an axe to grind with the Caffert File – it does not matter how eloquent, respectful or logical you are when trying to comment on that show. If you are an HRC supporter or try to offer up something that may seem positive about her, you will not be posted. Yet, badly written ilk from subliterate BO supporters make the grade and quick.
Everyone, let’s boycott CNN. The only way those S.O.B.’s will listen is when their bottom line is effected.
What happened to Ms. Millstone on Cavuto? Did he let her make any points?
#666 Just words
She was awesome on Cavuto. DNC and Obama’s dirty little secrets re:intimidation of delegates is getting national press!!!
I just wish these people would flat out say that *61 is NOT the nominee, he has NOT won, He does not have enough delegates to win and they cheated!!! Both Senator Clinton and *61 are very close in delegates and BOTH are entitled to be nominated. And I believe she will win. Finally, there is NOT unity in our party and it isn’t Senator Clinton’s fault, it is the DNC and *61!!
I’m done…
#682
Yes, she was great.
#677 Prowland,
She sure did and Gerladine Ferraro quoted her when asked if she would support Carpathia. Gave the same answer.
#666 just.words… on 08.12.08 at 4:54 pm
YES! Isn’t that great! I just scrolled up and saw your comment. I am still beaming like a chesire cat seeing immediate results from Neil. I had a feeling he’d be interested.
I am happy right now. Thanks for picking up on Cavuto so quickly!
#631 taylorgrob1 on 08.12.08 at 4:30 pm
HI taylorgrob!!!!!!!!!!!!
Attorneys – Suits – Private Citizen rights
******
Thanks for info on FEC and other suits that may be out there. This one is different. It is deliberately small time underdog type suite from concerned PC (private citizen). If you all find me an attorney that will take this case, it will be paid for and I will even need a volunteer CPC .
I wish i had time but I don’t, to research attorney – SandiPuma is where ? I need her help.
There must be an attorney somewhere that is anti Obama. I need to find him or her. Please help.
Interesting….
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/12/facing-tough-re-election-landrieu-removes-name-from-obama-fundraiser-invitation/
Laurey4Hill @@@@@@@ I do not let my TV go to MSNBC, OR CNN..I wont give them any of my time anymore, nor help their ratings !! you are right Cafferty is such a jackass !! I can’t stand him. He is so sexist !!
A little castration would hurt him !!
#681 Laurey4hill
Great idea! I have been boycotting them for sometime now and many others are. Also haven’t watched MSNBC for months. But to make it good, you would need to boycott Lou Dobbs as he is also CNN, even though we like him, the boycott isn’t quite as effective, IMOP.
Just sent my thank you to Ms. Ferraro.
Fight on Pumas!
#680 pa dem
I thought it was the 19th? Guess not.
CNN is now pontificating about Russianbombs being dropped on Georgia. No one seems to get concerned when American bombs are dropped on Iraq or Afghanistan. Maybe our bombs don’t kill people?
I don’t care if cafferty never reads my e-mails on the air. I’ll continue to submit them just to let him know that I’m still here.
#683 diva2 on 08.12.08 at 5:01 pm
They have to walk a very fine line, Diva. If they come out too militantly they will be stripped of their delegate status.
They cannot under any circumstances say they will vote for McCain or they’re out in a heartbeat. DNC CAN do that, according to its rules.
Even saying they are “considering voting for Obama, but not thoroughly sure yet, is treading on dangerous territory.
Sacha was great! Remember the more sd’s see on of their number speaking out, the more courage and protection they have to do the same.
#689 goanderson,
and so it begins.
Bye bye Carpathia.
Question?
Why do we think Howard Wolfson is running around saying Hillary would have won if it werent for Edwards? My question isnt about the content of what he is saying BUT the fact he is going on shows (now on Hannity radio show) puting this out there. The Clintons are savvy I think something is up.
Opinions?
648 Sheshepuma
Welcome to the PUMA group ! Love your name.
#690 KENDALBLUE on 08.12.08 at 5:05 pm
Maybe we should see if Jesse J. is free for a visit to Jack C’s? I hear he’s got a yen for that type of thing.
688 freddiebrown
momme…on http://www.hcsfjm.com/chat.html is talking to an atorney today i think…she will tell us tonight..
#676 mpdamon
“Poor Obama . . .repeating the same lies 9 thousand times doesn’t make them true.”
LMAO!
If anyone is following the election bid by Ed O’Reilly in MA against John Kerry, he’s still trying to get Kerry to debate but Kerry is still running away. Pffft. Not surprised.
http://www.edoreilly.com/
I hear Senator Kerry is not very responsive to his constituents up there in MA either. I sure hope the fine folks in that state vote the elitist traitor out this fall.
#697hillfanmccain,
I saw wolfson on Fox and he qualified his statement by saying the “O” camp believes they would have voted his way. Had a quite a smirk on his face when he said that little doosy (how do you spell that?). Could be a talking point at the convention.
688 freddiebrown
what i should have said…she might give you some guide lines
#695 BrooklynNY
I know, it is so hard when you want the truth to prevail!
That poor Deborah from Michigan. I just figured out the strategy (duh) get RID of all of Senator Clinton’s delegates and then they don’t have to worry about Senator Clinton winning. AH HA!
BrooklynNY @@@@@@@@ LMAO !! Good one…
Murhpy – A couple of quick thoughts re: Knoxville:
1. Consult w/your attorney re: filing a lawsuit against him for defamation of character.
2. Have a super quick prowl whereby PUMA’s can be invited to go to Knoxville’s site and simply type: “Shut up.” (would barely take a minute away from our primary activities)
3. Ignore.
4. Rebut every single point in a forum you (and your lawyer) feel most appropriate.
have to sign off for a little while………be back later …
PEACE !
#626 Amarissa on 08.12.08 at 4:24 pm
LOL. You post made me chuckle. You don’t like the guy, hmmmm….do you?
You’re probably right about the past wives too.
NoBamaDem,
WEll dont feel too bad if he gets kicked out, he can always fill up Ketchup bottles
, talking about Kerry, sorry
TREEPUMA
Thanks Kendallblue and Diva 2.
I DVR Lou Dobbs. It is on my list to try and reach is office by phone. He had a Republican strategist on yesterday whose take on why HRC’s supporters on not backing BO could be in part due to racism. They also read some of the Atlantic memos.
Lou stood up for Hillary. But what I REALLY want to know is why he doesn’t have someone on his show who actually knows what they are talking about when it comes to PUMAS. RACISM???? YOU WANT TO TALK RACISM? HOW ABOUT “TYPICAL WHITE PERSON”.HOW ABOUT REVERAND WRIGHT? HOW ABOUT “THE FIRST TIME I WAS PROUD TO BE AMERICAN, YADAYADAYADA.
I HAVE HAD IT. HAD IT. HAD IT.
MURPHY – just donated again. Feel free to use it to shut up that guy – At $200 an hour you have 5 hours worth of attorney fees to tell him to cease and desist but I suspect no one cares . We have bigger fish to fry – you don’t need to detail any thing to us. If we didn’t trust you, we would not give up a great part of our daily lives to be here. God knows I am so stressed at not paying attention to work. Anyone wants to match my donation ?:Any amount starting at $5 is good.
Donation Details
Donation amount: $1,000.00 USD
Total: $1,000.00 USD
Purpose: at Murphy’s discretion
Contributor: FREDDIE BROWN BROWN
snowtiger – i really respect your consideration of knoxville’s points and following your own instincts and intuitions. i respect your willingness to come on this blog and share that story. i applaud your willingness to have the personal integrity to do and share as you did. it’s very much in the spirit of what we’re railing against regarding bo’s followers. more power to you. you have truly earned my deepest respect and admiration.
#712 freddie,
I’ll match that.
5$ is more within my budget.
#712 freddiebrown
Dang!
Sorry – this is old by now..having puter problems.
Sacha said she is “not” supporting McCain, but the question should have been would she “vote” for McCain
Wolfson just said the camps are working together about getting Hillary on nomination BUT no doubt Bo will win.
#707 Anna 7000
Sometimes just a letter from an attorney will do the trick. Plus, aren’t there some new law(s) re: cyber harrassment?? I hope it doens’t go that far.
Thank you Anna. I appreciate that. Just let me add that I am 100% behind PUMA PAC. I feel it is always wise to hear opposing views. I wouldn’t want my actions to imply anything else.
I just posted this comment on Jack’s site at CNN:
These Obamabots and racism is getting out of hand. Which half of Obama are we racist against???? LMAO
Obama is NOT black and Obama is NOT White!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I am getting tired of the racism bit!!!!
Sorry – this is old by now..having puter problems.
Sacha said she is “not” supporting McCain, but the question should have been would she “vote” for XO
MAJOR CORRECTION…and now I’ll come back later – taking too long here….
Hey Tree!
Did you get my post to you yesterday (I think)?
#648 SheShePuma Welcome to the pac. Nice to have you here.
#681 Laurey4Hill I haven’t had CNN on my TV since the primaries. I refuse to watch CNN, MSNBC or NBC. I only watch FOX news. They are pretty fair and balanced as they say.
I did get a Thank-you card done for Ms Ferrar and will get it sent tomorrow AM. Can’t get out right now. I would like to write a letter to Mr Rendell. Shame on him. I am really angry about all this Dem suppression on my voting rights. It is very Hitler like if you ask me.
I saw the Cavuto show also and heard Sacha Millstone. It just P***** me off more and more. I went to my caucuses and voted for Hillary and by the time the county and state conventions were over our Hillary delegates have become Obama delegates. So much for my vote. It was not respected. I despise the caucus system.
Welcome Caracal Carri. You are a very courageous person.
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/
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#688freddiebrown
I’m happy to see that someone here is determined to do something about it..
Sometimes I’ve got the impression that everybody is waiting for Obama to be elected, and then,maybe, a private citizen, or groups of citizens, or other politicians will do something to invalidate his election.
It is as if Republicans were just waiting and hoping Obama would win in November, and then maybe they would prove everybody that he was ineligible after all ,and that the election has to be cancelled !
I’m afraid it might be too late then !
If he manages to reach the oval office, be sure he won’t leave it so easily…
diva2 – your post reminded me. yeah, i meant to add:
because of this big bad wild west world of cyberspace, there are all kinds of folks saying all kinds of erroneous things about all kinds of other folks. some large corporataions have actually started hiring people just to stay on top of that with respect to ongoing monitoring of the internet as such false accusations may be made about any of their employees. they had a long show on this growing problem on npr several months ago and it was both fascinating and scarely. lots and lots of people called in to tell their nightmarish stories of how their names and reputations were impacted, and in many cases, ruined, as a result of some nut job posting something about them on the internet. and they talked about how one big problem with the internet is that, once it’s out there, it’s out there. you can’t remove it.
murph. i really hope you’re talking with your lawyer about this.
Here is a link to a good article and another poll whether Hillary’s name should be put into roll call.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/12/MN8D128VO8.DTL
howard wolffson just said on sean hannitys that what Hillary meant by” including everyone in the process at the convention” meant getting everyone in the process to elect Obama..
WTF!!!
#709 BrooklynNY
LOL!
No, I really, really, don’t like him! He is bitter and hateful. I get a kick at screaming back at him when he is on tv, sometimes I even use my middle finger to answer back! LOL I think my neighbors might consider me crazy since I do all sorts of outcries by myself! If Hillary says something I am waiting to hear, I clap loudly! I think I might be getting a little cuckoo!
Snowtiger……..where ya been?
For those of you who watch FOX news now:
Did you see O’Reilly yesterday when he admitted Fox had the information about John Edwards affair and baby with the mistress as of November 2007? And he added that they did not divulge the info. to spare his wife?
To that I say, my ass. They did it to ensure BO was the nominee. HRC would be a formidable match against McCain.
THERE IS NO NEWS WE CAN TRUST.
Diva, no I dont think so, I had to lay down
Murphy,
I have donated $25.00 because I trust and believe in everything you are doing. I read and do the actions daily, I just don’t comment because I am so angry about this primary that I don’t think they come off right. I will donate as much as possible to PumaPac before Denver as I can.
Thanks for all the great work you are doing. It is one of my safe havens!
snowtiger – i didn’t think your actions implied anything else. (plus, i personally think it’s ok to be part of something anywhere in between 1 and 100% for whatever reasons.) no need to defend yourself and i surely didn’t mean for my post to you to stir any doubts in anyone who reads it. i just thought you exhibited open mindedness and honesty in a way that is pretty rare.
Murphy, noticed the donate button isn’t on this page. I’ll look in the action center, but just thought I’d mention it if you want to put it back. Of course, my donation won’t be much, but in reading how the bobot disguised as a puma is causing trouble, I want to reinforce my belief with a donation.
Yo Vonay,
Been working lol. I wound up spending so much time here and blogging around under my other name that I had to swear off the comp for awhile to get things done. (snort)
In fact I’m working right now running back and forth.
How you been?
#731 Amarissa,
My hubby does that with Bush, and all the msnbc talking heads.
I kept laughing at him over it, then the other night I found myself talking back to (yuck) Olbamermen on msnbc. ROFL
#712 freddiebrown – well I can’t match your amount (sure wish I could) but I just donated again (I donated yesterday too):
Donation amount: $25.00 USD
Total: $25.00 USD
Purpose: cause I trust Murphy to use it as needed
Contributor: Bill-K
#736Anna,
Thank you again Anna. I idnt think youwere implying anything negative, I thought you were defending me. I was worried about what others might have thought about my actions.
#622 pumapunch, Welcome
#712 Freddiebrown Will you marry me?
#731 Amarissa on 08.12.08 at 5:27 pm
LOL. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve done the same. I had to keep my TV off for the longest time. I was afraid I was going to throw something at it and break it. For a while I had my middle finger poised in the direction of the TV nonstop. Now I just try to grab the mute button as fast as I can….Not quite as satifying, but it’ll have to do.
740 Bill-K re:your contribution.
“Purpose: cause I trust Murphy to use it as needed”
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Amen, my Puma brother!
snowtiger – thanks for clarifying. but, that’s part of why i thought you had/have enormous integrity – you risked incurring the wrath of some on this web site which can be very unpleasant. you are one strong person. you’re a symbol of what we’re fighting for: integrity, not following any pied piper, thinking for ourselves, being willing to do what’s unpopular, being willing to stand up for your actions and positions. again, my hat’s off to you!
733 Laurey4Hill
No, I don’t think that was it…I do think they were thinking more of Ms Edwards…….BUT I don’t agree with O’Reilly half the time either!! I think he is a Centrist with a twist.
#738 snowtiger,
I’m fine. Been prowlng and hissing at the DNC.
Well we’ve been missing you. Ihad to do your snorts for ya while you were gone. ~~snort~~
#710 tree on 08.12.08 at 5:17 pm
LOL! Agree tree.
Hey! I may be a poet there.
#622 Pumapunch
Welcome to the Pac!!!
Hi #741Snowtiger !
Maybe I’m wrong, but were you the one who said you had donated money for me to PumaPac a few weeks ago, because I could not do it as a French citizen ?
707 Anna7000
If we had time to spare I’d say “E: All of the above”,
but we don’t, so I’d just go with #3: Ignore.
freddiebrown….My $100.00 is on it’s way.
Vonay, Thanks. I was hoping my snorts would live on. I do believe that will be my legacy to the world. Snorts. (snort)
#642 snowtiger
Put that way, I suggest one formal letter to all blogs with ALL of our names and emails backing Murphy and denouncing his comments, sort of like a Press Release.
I am so excited. I finally, finally got a solicitation in the mail from the ONC. It will give me much pleasure to print off some fake cash and return in their pre-paid envelope with my special ‘message’ to them.
Donation Amount: $100
I trust Murphy.
#754 Agreed. Excellent idea. I will sign.
Explain Cafferty why Hillary should be placed in nomination – it’s his question of the day
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/why-shouldnt-she/
#727 delphinefromfrance on 08.12.08 at 5:25 pm
#688freddiebrown
I’m happy to see that someone here is determined to do something about it..
Sometimes I’ve got the impression that everybody is waiting for Obama to be elected, and then,maybe, a private citizen, or groups of citizens, or other politicians will do something to invalidate his election…
I’m afraid it might be too late then !
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I am hoping some helpful PUMA will help me find an attorney and interview him. I seriously have no time as I have a full time job and work long hours and work has been intermittent at best. Perhaps someone can help make some calls – attorneys can work from anywhere. I promise I am not a crank out for publicity. I actually am a very private person –
Maybe someone can help me do my job and I can devote more time to this . I’ll tell you my job if you email me (it needs creativity). Can’t get creative when there is Obama junk in the head.
#738 Vonay
LOL! I know exactly what you mean!
Reverend Wright plans an October surprise
New York Magazine has done a special issue this week on race and the US election. There’s lot of good stuff in the package but this line from John Heilemann’s cover story stood out to me:
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
Laurey
I deleted your comment 717 at the request of several members.
If you have questions, please email me at marylandpuma@gmail.com.
Thanks.
694 mpdamon
Please email me with the Bishop analogy… I didn’t understand it when you mentioned it to me at blogradio.
Thanks. my name at gimael. I won’t be able to read it until I get home from work though.
DIVA???
#745 Anna,
Lol.
Ok your making me blush. Thank you.
Oh and I don’t fear the wrath of anyone. I’m a PUMA after all.
I just remembered a slogan on a medal given by some south American country to its military.
“I yield not, I fight.”
That pretty much sums up everyone here I think.
We need a button with that on it.
#627 NewOrleansPuma on 08.12.08 at 4:26 pm
Thank you for your lovely post and your kind words. I would love to hear your accent.
I’ve never been to New Orleans, but it’s a place that’s always intrigued me. I love the whole Louisiana, New Orleans history and the music from your area is just out of this world….not to mention the cooking (from what I see on the Food Network, anyway! Have yet to taste it for myself!)
Again, thanks so much for your kind words and your kind, generous heart.
christie from clintons4mccains on Hannity…she gonna send him a story and asked him if he would break it
#733 Tree
You had posted a bit of frustration for not being acknowledged when you posted. So, I teased you a bit but said I do notice your posts and believe we have something in common. I thought you were the person that had health problems. So do I, major back problems. However, I get around okay just some days are better than others. Recently tried a new procedure but the jury is still out on whether or not am doing better.
Take care and hope today is a peaceful and high energy day!
lol
dances – i’m with you as far as we all go. i think besides having limited time and energy to spare on that guy, focusing any attention on him on his site will likely just fuel his ego, which i sense is quite large. but i still hope murphy is consulting w/her attorney. and, if she really felt she needed/wanting our voices involved in this in some way, i’d respect that and would surely consider what she was asking.
i’m off to post and hand out fliers. loved someone’s comment earlier that they’re doing it in a rented car! i usually go on foot, but i wear sneakers in case i need to get the hell out of dodge fast (at least as fast as i can run, which ain’t that impressive).
#757Snowtiger ! Are you here ?
I’ve asked you a question in post 750 !
Am I RIGHT or WRONG ??
#750 Delphine,
Yup. Wasn’t much (25.00)but I put both our names on it.
And it was a pleasure to do so.
Sorry for the late and odd sequenced replies. I’m working as we speak.
#759 freddiebrown
Freddiebrown, you have mail
688 freddiebrown
Attorneys – Suits – Private Citizen rights
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Contact Geraldine Ferraro, she probably has a great list of willing attorneys… better than taking a chance with an unknown quantity.
PS I can’t email you from work, and I’m not sure I’m creative enopugh for your needs, but I’m interested in exploring the possibilities.
SO COOL of you all to donate to our cause. Every $5 is as valued as the next.
I am sorry to be so active on this blog. I am going to NY for a week and impossible to get online till late and after all my work emails, I am falling asleep and have to go again the next day. So i want to do as much as I can. My cell phone is useless for websites – takes forever. I need one of those things you plug into your lap top.
Oh, Peace
donation: $100.00
Thank you Murphy
Yeah Diva, I was feeling a bit low, so thank you for trying to cheer me up, I just had a bad day, I guess I stayed up too long, I’m not supposed to sit up for more than 2-3 hours, so thank you again sweetie, I sure hope your new procedure works, I hope it doesnt take to long to find out if it works.
TREEPUMA
Anna7000:
“focusing any attention on him on his site will likely just fuel his ego,”
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Oh, man, ain’t that the truth.
I like Amarissa’s idea, except for the email addresses part, of dropping a pseudo-press release off at blogs. Do it once, massively, and then let it go. Perfect compromise, imo.
Maryland – I think I was #717…oops – what did I do? Do you mean 711????:D
Peace
#744 DancesWithPumas
Just wish I could do more. We really wanted to attend the Denver protest but my wife and I are going out of town, part business part vacation, and won’t be back till the day of the convention.
We leave tomorrow late afternoon and we will have the laptop. So I will be able to do prowls and quick skimming of the blog.
Going up to Oregon and I am taking fliers
#771Snowtiger !
Well, really I would like to thank you with all my heart !
It means so much to me to be able to contribute…
I would have liked to thank you before, but found no trace of you for a long time. Now I understand you’re very busy, working …
Maybe, I’ll be able to pay you back one day ?
Thanks again !
#648 SheShePUMA,
Welcome to to our Puma Pac!!!!!
#769 anna , I agree , DO NOT ENGAGE this nut job . If someone wants to investigate our finances , let them . Acknowledging this wacko only gives him the attention he is craving .
#776 tree
Hey Tree! I wiz by on this blog a lot. I do notice you.
Get you a blackberry or similar device freddie, you can use it as a wireless connection for your laptop.
Thanks Murphy for holding your chin up against the doubters. I have donated twice to PUMA PAC and I have no concerns that my donations have been put to good use.
My one small suggestion is that all of us try and elevate our language a bit and try to avoid tagging our enemies with demeaning language. I know that they keep referring to us in derogatory terms but we need not roll around in the mud with them.
I wrote a response to the Baltimore Sun editorial today and was happy to see that many PUMAS had written responses.
#780 My pleasure Delphine. If i ever get to France you can buy me dinner.,
But, uh, no snails or frog legs please.
Hey SheShePuma!
Welcome!
Hello Fellow Pumas, I’m back from vacation. I have been in withdrawal since 8/8 by not being able to get to a computer. I just read the lead story and I’m disgusted again with another traitor. I won’t be able to do this prowl today but will do it first thing tomorrow. Also, I don’t know if this has been posted while I was away, but if not, PLEASE sign the petition to force Obama to reveal his true birth certificate. As you know, I’ve been blogging that his trip to Hawaii is to get another fake that he can pass off as the real thing. I think everyone should contact the guy who broke the Edwards story at The National Enquirer to dig into this mystery. Surely, someone knows something and is withholding the info. Bill Clinton when asked about Obama being ready to be POTUS responded by saying anyone could run but they must be “constitutionally qualified.” Very strange words indeed. http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Federal-Elections-Commssion/
Have to finish unpacking but will check back later.
mpdamon:
“Obama has aired over 9 thousand LOCAL ads in FL while McCain hasn’t aired any.
McCain still holds slight lead.”
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Ahahahahahaha!!! LOL! omg, that’s so funny!!
Just like Obama outspending Senator Clinton by 4-1, cheating, having the RBC steal her votes and give them to him, criticizing Senator Clinton for mismanagingher campaign, running a shoddy campaign, having MSM supporting him…..
and SHE STILL BEAT HIM!!
Well thank you GO
#787
No problem, Snowtiger. But you don’t risk anything : no frogs, no snails ; etc…
I’m vegetarian ! !
#759 freddiebrown
I can throw a few pots, but doubt that would help. Have done page layout, some photoshop work, and years ago dreamweaver work but recently switched to a mac and all updated programs. Am feeling very slow at everything. But anything I can do for the cause… my work comes in spurts too and it is either an overwhelming workload or not much at all.
Hey PUMAS
new straw poll http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/08/12/aol-straw-poll-aug-11-18/
#603 You can type your message in word and it will translate it to spanish and you can post it on the hispanic web site if you need to get a message to them.
Please, do what you can:
http://www.unrefugees.org/usaforunhcr/dynamic.cfm?ID=430
791 tree
Hope you’re doing ok…I always see you…It’s just taking my broadband forever to load this thread.
Maryland Puma – you’ve got mail
I am SURE O will ask Hillary as his VP because he has no other choice! But once she is in, and IF he wins, he will then be impeached because of all his lies and mishandlings regarding Rezko, his nationality and all other lawbreaking acts. Hillary will then become Madame President. I sincerely believe Hillary knows what she is doing and she knows he will not survive long in the White House. I was hoping she would not accept the VP slot but now, with all that’s going on, I am inclined in thinking this is what she is after. She will not accept the nomination because she made a pact with O regarding her as VP. I hope I am wrong…
#788 ladyhawkke
Welcome Back!
Well it’s that time again, I’ll try to come back later
Be good to each other
TREEPUMA
#792 Delphine . Lol. Its a date.
Catch you soon Vonay. 
I must go. Hopefully be back later.
Thanks again Anna for your words of encouragement. Means a lot.
Keep Feeding the PUMAs
I thought I would let you know that I watch C-SPAN and the Republicans came back instead of going on vacation and are encouraging the Dems to go back in session to resolve the energy crisis of course the Dems haven’t shown yet. The Republicans are furious with Pelosi
#788ladyhawkke : Hello !
Welcome back !
Hope you had a nice time on vacation !
I agree with what you’ve just written ! (see my post #623)
I would even say THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ACTION at the moment, ’cause it is an emergency !!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1043164/How-Clooney-offers-good-friend-Obama-advice-issues-body-language-Iraq.html
I’m laughing hard here reading the news NOBAMA is now looking for a Republican to be his VP.
Ain’t that sweet! He called Republicans IGNORANT. This guy don’t know his limitations. As always he never miss a beat of shooting off his mouth without checking if his brain are loaded.
Dances and Ipotter.
I design womens accessories so have to be very specific in its creativity. So difficult to be creative when you have a huge bull sitting on your head daily. Initials begin with O.
Can’t wait for Denver to be over or Nov.
Caracal Carrie, I just went and registered just to welcome you to this site and to thank you for your son’s service and the realization that some can change. Thats “Hope and Change” we can believe in.
TrishfromCanada
You’ve got mail
#623 DelphinefromFrance
FINALLY, someone who can do something about the BC issue and will be listened to. Follow my next comments to the third paragraaph for it to make any sense.
I also want to add that I saw a person on Fox news, yesterday, talking about J. Edwards. She said any and everything financially, could bring many charges against him. He was basically using federal money for his campaign (don’t ask the details) and therefore everything can be looked. My thought, is if he bought his “friend” lunch, this can be considered a federal issue because he was working on federal time and he spent campaign money either directly or indirectly. His personal finances can be reviewed as he was paid from his campaign. Anyway, my best interpretation as to what she said.
So, For example, if *61 was found to have taken foreign money for his campaign (which he did), then he broke the laws and then EVERYTHING is open for scrutiny. He has SO many things he may soon be charged with that his whole financial life could fall apart — personally and campaign-wise and could have federal charges brought against him.
Dear Friend,
More than a week ago, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Democrats in Congress voted to leave Washington, skipping town for five weeks without passing legislation to help lower gas prices.
But while Democrats have been on vacation, House Republicans have continued to fight for solutions to high gas prices.
Despite Democrats killing the lights, shutting off the cameras, and cutting the microphones, Republican Members of Congress have stayed on the House floor to demand a vote on the American Energy Act and talk with visitors to our nation’s Capitol about the need for an “All of the Above” energy reform plan.
The support from the public in the House chamber is overwhelming — as is the support from Americans across the country. And Americans everywhere are asking:
“Why won’t the Democrats allow a vote on legislation that increases the supply of American-made energy, improves energy conservation and efficiency, and promotes the development and use of alternative and renewable energy technology?”
FreddieBrown….Ty for the flyers and we put them out today…
#775 Tree
: )
807 Asian4Hillary
I’m laughing hard here reading the news NOBAMA is now looking for a Republican to be his VP
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after they all say No, he’ll be rummaging through 3rd Party candidates, after they all say no, he’ll be standing on street corners in a grease stained trench coat saying:
“Psssst. Hey man, wanna be my vice president?”
Hello and/or welcome to all the new and experienced PUMAs I see posting today!
I have been up to my eyeballs in alligators getting our Denver goodies designed and ordered.
We will have the following:
Travel Mugs * Pens * Sunblock * Magnets * Lanyards * Cups (color change!) * Buttons * Balloons * Whistles * Window Clings * Bumper Stickers (4 types) * Temp Tattoos * Rally Signs * Blank Rally Signs * 2 Banners * Sun Visors * T-Shirts (2 types, 2 colors)
This is a HEFTY chunk of change so let’s get those donations coming in!
MarylandPUMA
#814 DancesWithPumas on 08.12.08 at 6:15 pm
Great comments! LOL. I can picture it now.
Interesting about Knoxville. Riverdaughter spoke about Trolls at the DC Conference and said she traced many IP addresses back to University Professors. The Egg-Head Brigade.
MarylandPUMA
You rock!
#811 TEXS4HILLARY
We can not drill our way out of this. Drilling will not bring down the price of gas!!!
#808 freddiebrown
Oh, well thanks for your consideration. Sorry, I’m doing good to get dressed in the morning and haven’t yet advanced to accessories, though do admire those who can pull it all together.
delphine..I finally sent email to you. I’m not a very good riter so you will probably have to read and think awhile about what I’m trying to convey to you. Sorry about that
Murphy…
WE LOVE YOU and WE TRUST YOU.
That’s all anyone needs to know.
TOPIC: BO’s running mate anncmt
You can be the first to know – maybe our new poster, Carrie would like to track this..hmm? (WELCOME, Carrie!)
“Barack Obama is about to make one of the most important decisions of this campaign — choosing a running mate.
http://my.barackobama.com/vpfirst
You will receive an email the moment Barack makes his decision, or you can text VP to 62262 to receive a text message on your mobile phone. “
Maryland Puma
I hope you got good prices. Didn’t know you were doing those products. If you are still doing or have not ordered, please advice. Can see if I can get better prices. Those should be inexpensive per unit.
I would be happy to help since I know people in the trade.. directly. So you are not paying retail prices which would be very expensive.
Are these for sale to Pumas.
Maryland…I hope you added water bottles. Supposedly Denver must provide access to water and toilets as part of the protest area
Maryland
Sorry, don’t mean to imply that you didn’t get good prices. Just want your $ to go further. You are doing such a great alligator job !
Peace.
#823 hillstheone
It won’t matter who he choses as his VP if HRC is not in nomination. He will lose.
Hey Mama Puma – how about a fundraising cocktail hour tonight? I sure could use one when I get home!
Hannity put out a teaser. Nothing has been said about a speaking spot for John Kerry at the convention. Is he being considered for VP? Wouldn’t that be delicious!!??
TOPIC: Simultaneous events during the Convention
OK, Oregon’s ready! Who’s next??
(firechief – how’s that parade plan coming along)
Sub-TOPIC: Invitation – you’re invited – Luncheon honoring Hillary
I’ll be in Denver, but here’s a great event for Pacific Northwest folks to get on their calendar:
You’re Invited to a Luncheon Celebrating
“88 Years of Women’s Suffrage and Women’s Gifts”
honoring Hillary Clinton’s Dramatic Presidential Run
and Oregon’s own Gifted Ceiling Breaking Women
When: Tuesday, August 26th, 2008 12-2PM
Where: Multnomah Athletic Club
1849 SW Salmon Street
Portland, OR
Speakers to include:
Norma Paulus: Former Secretary of State
Nellie Fox – First woman Executive of COPE (Political Action) of the Oregon AFL/CIO
Judy O’Connor – First Executive Director of the North West Labor Council
Gussie McRobert – Former Mayor of Gresham
Jewell Lansing – Multnomah County Auditory and City of Portland Auditor
$20.00 Covers Cost of Luncheon and Seat at this Momentous Celebration
Indicate Vegetarian Classic Chicken Ceasar Salad in Response
R.S.V.P and Checks by August 22nd
~ ~ if you want to RSVP, contact mamapuma for my email & I’ll forward your mssg to the hostess / organizer. ~ ~
TO: Jay “Hussein” Rogers
Your comments are not being posted because your first post was hostile, and your second post insults the moderators.
When you can ask specific questions that are not intended to create discourse in a tone that is not hostile we would be happy to post your comments.
Until then, you can stay in the dungeon.
MarylandPUMA
Moderator
Read this it tells you who OBAMAs picks are for VP
http://www.rollcall.com/issues/54_18/rothenberg/27261-1.html
DWP just thought you’d like to know gas has gone down slightly here. Goes from around $3.75 to $3.89 depending on where you buy
#826 Taffy
CRAP! I KNEW I forgot something important. I’ll get them on there too.
THANK YOU!
Definitely try not to buy when you’re in the mountains. Over $4 a gallon there Cheaper before and after high elevations
#808 freddiebrown
I understand what you are going through with the creative thing. It’s hard. But try to focus, stay on target, and channel the energy. You can do anything you set your mind to.
#818 diva2
So, For example, if *61 was found to have taken foreign money for his campaign (which he did), then he broke the laws and then EVERYTHING is open for scrutiny. He has SO many things he may soon be charged with that his whole financial life could fall apart — personally and campaign-wise and could have federal charges brought against him.
Thanks for your precision, but…
I don’t understand… You say he might be accused of using foreign money and thus breaking federal law.
But is there already a lawsuit against him ? ? I don’t think so !
You say that everything would be then open for scrutiny…
Yes, but what will happen if there is nobody to do anything against him, LEGALLY, because everybody is afraid ? ! NOTHING… This is what I was trying to explain earlier, saying people should stand together, there should be thousands of Americans petitioning against him to the FEC… At least doing something ! Trying !
As freddiebrown was saying, asking attorneys, etc…
Otherwise, you’ll have him in the White House, probably FOREVER !
freddiebrown: WOW, you are a great PUMA $upporter, thank you from all of us.
Murphy: if there are ever legal problems of any kind, suggest prepaidlegal.com I’ve had a membership for years (only $25 / mo), and they cover EVERYTHING run-of-the-mill. What isn’t covered you still get 25% off, and you get martindale-hubbard a-b rated attorneys – the BEST.
They treat you good, too.
some people might want to bring chapstick too. Depends on how you tolerate low humidity (and the tissues we mentioned?
)
819 goandersen
would like to talk to you sometime on this issue..I agree and I disagree
Attention PUMAS :
Please , Please Please do NOT confuse our new sign ( by anna7000 ) for Bo which is : XO with the similar sign: OX which means pilonidal cyst (A pilonidal cyst is a cyst at the bottom of the tailbone that can become infected and filled with pus.)
We do not want to confuse the 2 . Thank you
#839 1gypsy4mc
Which issue was that?
#828 doria on 08.12.08 at 6:24 pm
Consider it an act of charity on the part of BO. After the next election, Kerry will probably be out of a job as Senator in MA. He’s got to go somewhere. Why not stick him in a dead-end, do nothing job at the White House?
#817. Interestingly, a conservative college professor at U of Pa in the 1970’s said that university professors were the first to embrace Hitler.
Sent a nice Thank-you card to Ferarro on my lunch break. I did enjoy a long walk to mail it which made it a nice respite in the middle of the day, and taking time out to do things is a nice way to honor our work.
Go, PUMA’s!
#818
YOU are dead wrong. My partner works for a gas and oil company and he tells me what is going on. The Dems are full of crap. Just like when Hillary and Mccain wanted to give a gas tax break and OBAMA and DNC was against it now he is saying the opposite. They do not have a clue. By drilling and using our own we won’t rely on foreign oil.
The PUMA Principle
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http://pumaalliance.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/the-puma-principle
leave your comments and show your support for Big Ticer who has released a new video. Or join the debate.
#839 1gypsy4mc
Oh, you meant post 818
Yeah, sure.
From our Puma Pal Normita!
Colorado Democrats Threaten Clinton Delegate’s Status
CALL7 Investigators Obtain Internal E-mail
Tom Burke and John Ferrugia , 7NEWS Investigators
POSTED: 6:54 pm MDT August 11, 2008
UPDATED: 11:24 am MDT August 12, 2008
DENVER — An e-mail sent from the political director of the Colorado Democratic Party threatened the status of a national delegate, alleging she made “disparaging public remarks” about Sen. Barack Obama.
Sacha Millstone of Boulder said that her comments were critical, but they were not public.
Millstone acknowledged she was frustrated over how the Obama campaign was treating delegates who supported Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and told a fellow delegate, in what she believed was a private e-mail exchange, that she was not sure she could vote for Obama at the Democratic National Convention later this month.
The other delegate apparently filed a complaint with the state Democratic Party suggesting Millstone lose her status as a delegate.
Apparently, the political director of Colorado ’s Democratic Party, William Compton, took the suggestion very seriously and told Millstone via e-mail, “You are directed to come in to the party headquarters and explain your comments and why you should remain a national delegate …”
Millstone, who worked on the campaign for Hillary Clinton, considered the e-mail a threat.
“I think that one of the reasons I got this letter was to intimidate me,” said Millstone. “It sounded very totalitarian. I thought it sounded undemocratic and I was completely shocked.”
Millstone continued, “Having conversations on the pros and cons of those candidates, I don’t think this is an unusual thing at all in the Democratic Party.”
“Anytime we receive a complaint, we are required by our rules to hear that complaint and decide whether or not it should be taken to the rules committee,” said Pat Waak, chair of the Colorado Democratic Party.
Ferrugia asked Waak, “If someone brings you private correspondence, you’ll use that in investigating a complaint?”
Waak responded, “We have used documents, memos, other things in the past where complaints have been filed. We have used whatever comes to us. That does not mean it goes to the rules committee.”
Waak said the investigation and e-mail from Compton was not made public by the Colorado Democratic Party and regrets that it is in the public domain.
She also said, “I do think there are some delegates, on both sides, with some wounded feelings because this has been a very difficult, hard fought campaign.”
About Millstone, Waak told 7NEWS, “From our point, it’s over with. She’s chosen not to come in and talk with us and so, we’re two weeks away from the convention and we’ll continue to work with the delegates who want to be worked with.”
Millstone firmly believed the e-mail from Compton was a clear message to Clinton delegates nationwide to refrain from critical comments of Obama if they wish to attend the convention.
“I think that it was calculated to have an impact on other delegates and I think this kind of communication does have a very chilling impact on other delegates because people become afraid to speak up. They become afraid to say what they think.”
Millstone added, “You can’t get unity by telling people to shut up.”
Note:
This is very similar to a Clinton delegate in Wisconsin that was stripped of her delegate status when she made an honest declaration that she will be supporting Sen. McCain. A valid question needs to be asked of the DNC and Howard Dean why they will go to such lengths as to intimidate their own elected delegates because they don’t share their views. This is delegate intimidation! The DNC and Dean need to be reminded that we are in a democratic society – if they want party unity, they need to adhere to the values of democracy. COUNTRY FIRST BEFORE PARTY!
I give up, I have been trying for weeks to log on to this blog.
#820 Taffy : Hi !
Thanks for sending me a message : I’m going to read it, and I’ll answer you as soon as I can… Hope it’s not too complicated, for it’s quite late here in France…
Fox just reported on the Co. del !!!!!! Go Pumas !
#845 TEXS4HILLARY
excuse me, let’s not get into an argument about this.
What is it that you find wrong with my statement?
hmm, why did the one go thru and not my comment of 3 paragraph? If this goes thru I will try again sometime, gotta go for now.
delphine..no problem. just thought it was another caution you could issue on your blog. especially since we could end up with foreign troops here!
#851
No argument intended just stating that yes we need to be drilling and stop relying on what is kicking America’s butts in gas prices.
freddiebrown, I create for a living too although your job sounds like a lot more fun. I have found this election to be a distraction at times. I also own nobamanetwork.com and maintain nobamamission.com and get countless requests for help with blogs and websites which I am happy to do but there are times when you just have to get away from all of this for a few minutes to regain your work focus. I am also an artist who hasn’t painted in two months. It is a balancing act.
#799 Amarissa…I think Hillary knows better than to make a deal with Obama. No doubt he would renege at the last minute….peace
#631 Doria I could only vote one time, it said I already voted when I tried again.
Sorry I am reposting this because I forgot to end it with the word PEACE like we are supposed to do today so as not to get into conflict in honor of Wizard ….
Attention PUMAS :
Please , Please Please do NOT confuse our new sign ( by anna7000 ) for Bo which is : XO with the similar sign: OX which means pilonidal cyst (A pilonidal cyst is a cyst at the bottom of the tailbone that can become infected and filled with pus.)
We do not want to confuse the 2 . Thank you
PEACE
#848 Maryland PUMA on 08.12.08 at 6:34 pm
Contact info on this delegate (and the Colorado Dem Party officials trying to coerce her) is posted at the beginning of this thread.
A few of us have contacted her in support and also contacted some media (i.e. Cavuto, Hannity, Limbaugh, O’Reilly, etc.) re: the issue.
She was just on Cavuto’s show this afternoon. He interviewed her regarding the matter.
She was great!
PUMAS
I asked Murphy to post one FINAL response to Brian’s vitriol.
If you see his spew on blogs or boards, please put the following:
OFFICIAL RESPONSE FROM D. MURPHY: http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/08/12/rendell-pressuring-delegates-not-to-support-clinton-nominating-petition
This will be the LAST and ONLY official response to the slander.
Thanks!
P.S. Before I left for vacation on the 8th, I went to Bank of America and had my signature notarized regarding Donna Brazile and her superdelegate status. Also went to the P.O. next door, had it certified and sent. They said the DNC should receive it today!
Hope I sent the right links. It was late when I was searching and then I wasn’t sure if I would send so I let it sit overnight. Then thought what the heck..she can only say I’m crazy and throw it out
Hi Taffy and everyone else that came on while I was trying to locate one of my old posts.
http://www.care2.com/politics/birth-control-deemed-abortion.html
just got back from the post office. sent about 6 thank you letters (neighbors who dont drive asked me to take them)
I wrote a new post on clintondems I’d really like to share with you.
Too long to post here so I’ll just post the link:
http://clintondems.com/2008/08/weve-still-got-her-back-we-always-have/#comment-11446
#853 Puma Cry
Your first three comments as a blogger are automatically moderated. After the first three they will post instantly.
I’ve released your comments.
Welcome to the PAC!
MarylandPUMA
Moderator
I tried to post this earlier, but somehow my old computer jammed up and lost it. I just want to say that I trust Murphy explicitly or I would not be here, would not have given money, would not have done prowls, etc. It’s a gut feeling about her genuine sense of honor and her passionate integrity for this cause. And I don’t usually join things–this was a first, politically, for me.
I feel that way about the PUMAs. I mentioned in an earlier post that there is a profound lack of heroes in the world nowadays, and a PUMA responded that we have Murphy and ourselves to wear that distinction. And we are those heroes who are standing up and shouting that this democracy has become corrupted.
Just as I know in my guts our work here is the right thing to do, I know in my guts that *61 is the biggest charlatan to have emerged on the political horizon in decades, and it breaks my heart that Hillary has to lift his train or kiss his ring, or —God forbid–be willing to stand in his shadow.
oh, and peace—-
Just heard Noname, on ABC News, refer to his followers as “OBAMAcans”. I think he’d like to put “AMERICans” on the endangered-species list. Ain’t gonna happen!
Ladyhawkk welcome back good to see ya hope your rested but prob not lol
#701 Nobama\We’re working on it.
hi puma cry welcome
The truth is this when it comes to oil and gas which none of these pundits and so-called experts talk in the media. USA has a lot of natural oil and gas, in fact some oilhead in Texas are capped. There’s a REASON for doing that. It is CHEAPER for USA to import oil than to process our own oil. In fact majority of US imported oil is not from the Middle East but LATIN AMERICA. Oil in the Middle East are imported by other countries like Japan and etc; USA is closer to Latin America than the Middle East. Savings in SHIPPING and HANDLING for oil from Latin America is pass to CONSUMERS, that’s the reason our oil is much cheaper compared to other countries. USA is very smart, we are keeping our oil for future use. Although democrats tell us using fear tactics about our energy resources, they’re LYING TO THEIR TEETH. USA is very rich in oil. USA is a TRUE follower of MACHIAVELLI. Bear in mind fossil fuel is NOT a renewable energy. What we are doing now is moving towards RENEWABLE ENERGY by using corn, soybeans, peanuts, sugarcane (byproducts produces Ethanol).
USA is SELF CONTAINED as a nation, we will not be short of energy due to the fact OVER A half a MILLION ACRES of our land is engage in agriculture. There’s food shortage right now in the world market, due to the fact USA is now using corn and other grains to produce Ethanol. Ethanol is NOT new, that’s the first fuel Henry Ford when he started building cars.
The BIGGEST worry of the world is not OIL…….FOOD SUPPLY. The biggest exporter of grains in the world market is UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. United Nation is asking the Bush Administration to produce more grains like corn to supply the world market. Condilezza Rice as head of the State Department, United States right now is using our grains for renewable energy.
#855 TEXS4HILLARY
The problem I see is that the oil would not be available for ten years and would yield about a .03 decrease.
Not to mention the destruction of fragile ecosystems along coastlines. I live in a coastal state.
Laurie4Hill – I agree with you–the news media only tell us what they want us to focus on. They distract us with the news they choose to give us. They don’t think we can handle the truth. How dare they not reveal the truth about Jeremiah Wright and Edwards (and whatever else they are holding back). Who do they think they are? Our parents? They make their fat salaries and only hand us morsels of info? The ultimate elitists are the misers of knowledge. We have the right to know! How else can we make informed decisions?
THIS NEEDS COMMENTS——
This one really burns my puma hide.
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/morgan-felchner/2008/08/12/time-for-clinton-supporters-to-celebrate.html
She’s not going to get the nomination, despite how hard some of the PUMAs (Party Unity My A–, well you get the idea) work. But some think it might ease the pain for the 18 million supporters she gathered. According to party rules, she can put her name in contention, but should she? It hasn’t happened recently (not since the 1992 convention) and she’s publicly supported Obama. Plus, delegates are free to vote for whomever they want, Clinton or even Mickey Mouse, regardless of whether the person’s (or rodent’s) name is officially in contention. But now most of her supporters have begun the transition to Obama and unity will be the theme of the convention. Women and men alike are ready to celebrate her achievement and move forward.
correction: Condi informed the UN, our country need our grain to produce RENEWABLE ENERGY, anything extra USA will export to the World Market.
well see ya all later tcb4n
GENERAL COMMENTS
In response to your questions, I have posted extensively throughout our blog about issues including but not limited to challenging BO’s eligibility to get onto the GE ballots in each of the several states; the difference between getting a roll call vote and getting into nomination (and then getting a roll call vote); and the statutory mission of the FEC. But, given the set-up of the blog, several of you are unaware I have already answered your question, before you asked. Maybe you could try putting in a search for “jbjd” (omitting the quotes) under the previous blog headings to see whether your question has already been addressed.
I believe that being up to speed on as many issues impacting this election cycle as possible maximizes the opportunity for the success of our mission. But my fingers ache!
From now on, I will answer only those material questions I have not yet addressed.
correction: USA have millions of acres of land in agriculture and some lands are not yet fully cultivated.
Ann Coulter is going to be on Fox soon . Who has her e-mail ????
Newsmax on the Convention
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/clinton_convention_rally/2008/08/12/121288.html?s=al&promo_code=67C1-1
#796 goanderson, thank you for the link to assist the country of Georgia.
We are fond of that little country and will do our best to help them out.
Don’t agree about the oil thing still, if we had done it 10 years ago, would we be in the mess were in now.
xxx
jbjd , I , for one , am sooooooooo thankful for all of the valuable information you share with us .
629 Amarissa on 08.12.08 at 4:29 pm Murphy:
You should not waste a minute of your time on Knoxville! I for one do not need you to explain anything about PUMA PAC’s money situation or how you decide it should go. I trust you 100%. The more we answer this ex friend, the more it seems we fear him. We have a job to do, elect Hillary! that is the only issue that requires our inmediate attention!
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I concur with your assessment, he is only a diversion when we need total focus on the Denver Convention.
#810
Dear Diva2,
was watching Fox Late last night I believe,and an attorney named CLETA MITCHELL,who has 30 years exp. in POLITICAL LAW {financial disclosure} is her speciality. She can be reached at:
cmitchell@foley.com
Maybe she can Help!!
#883 GeorgiaPuma
We are not the only ones who disagree with one another.
HRC has stated that the oil speculators in London and NY
manipulate the price of oil.
Newsmax on Denver Ad:
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/clinton_supporters/2008/08/12/121289.html?s=al&promo_code=67C1-1
obama policy=anything you like
#877 Asian4Hillary
The “corn” market affects many areas. Since I purchase horse feed, the price per #50 bag has gone up $4-5.00. Some of the feeds are no longer putting corn in and are using substitute grains.
Many of our manufactured foods also contain corn. By large farms producing corn only as an energy commodity, it is also hurting our own economy.
883 GeorgiaPuma
“…if we had done it 10 years ago, would we be in the mess were in now.”
I can’t answer that, I don’t know. My bet is that oil would still be high.
#890 gypsy – Amen on the horse feed – be happy you have those midget ones
#890 1gypsy4mc
I don’t know why we’re not encouraging homeowners to use SOLAR ENERGY, it is FREE. My brother is an architect based in Europe, his company is now using solar panel energy in newly constructed homes.
#840 TexasTigress on 08.12.08 at 6:31 pm
[[Please , Please Please do NOT confuse our new sign ( by anna7000 ) for Bo which is : XO with the similar sign: OX which means pilonidal cyst (A pilonidal cyst is a cyst at the bottom of the tailbone that can become infected and filled with pus.)
We do not want to confuse the 2 . Thank you]]
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What? You don’t see the resemblance between Obama and an undesirable growth that infects the body and is filled with yucky stuff?
#894 Firebell
PEACE
#861 Maryland PUMA on 08.12.08 at 6:41 pm PUMAS
I asked Murphy to post one FINAL response to Brian’s vitriol.
If you see his spew on blogs or boards, please put the following:
OFFICIAL RESPONSE FROM D. MURPHY: http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/08/12/rendell-pressuring-delegates-not-to-support-clinton-nominating-petition
This will be the LAST and ONLY official response to the slander.
Thanks!
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I have copied and pasted this response link to my Office Word. Will do gladly!
Can I please add get a life loser, like I usually do when I responded to his blog… JUST KIDDING (SMILE)
Peace to little Knoxville
if the DNC is playing dirty and doesn’t want to play by the rules,then what is stopping PUMAS from doing the same?
the PUMA cause could grab national attention on TV and in the headlines and cause the DNC /Obama to shake in their boots if PUMAS were to storm the podium,unfurl their banners and seize the microphone to deliver a PUMA MANIFESTO to america!
is Democracy worth getting arrested for???
remember the lone chinese man standing in front of the tank in tienanmien sqaure in beijing!
problem is there are to many high ups in politics that are tied to the oil and auto industry. They didn’t want the alternative sources…..its all about the almighty dollar and profits
892 TexasTigress
Actually, I still have one large horse. Loretta Lynn – lol…she’s a Magnolia Pay mare. She is going on 30 yrs old I believe – maybe 31. I have 4 dogs, 3 cats and 24 minis. With the way the economy is, trust me, they eat before I do.
for those coming on this evening
PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT
make sure that you do your polictical action work today.
it is very important.
anyone who did not receive a prowl should write to me at MamaPumaMass@aol.com. You have to have joined to be on the mailing list.
come back and brag
Mama
#765BrooklynNy: I always advocate that we should follow our positive intrigues….i.e., come on down here some day and enjoy NO,La, our spectacular food, and all of our NOmusic and the friendliest, laid back, funny people you will truly ever meet. After having lived out of the city a while back, in the 80s and having come home for good, I remember one exquisite Sunday afternoon walking down the sidewalk not far from where I lived and stepping all over boiled crawfish shells and hearing at the same time this great music coming out of this restaurant /bar off the sidewalk.
They were having a big crawfish party in the middle of the day and everybody was just hanging out eating crawdfish, drinking , and being friendly. I knew I was home. Never to leave again. We like to capture visitors…i.e.,
stories abound from people who said they just came down for a little visit or something and ended up coming back to live. I love that! Remember from a die hard New Orleanian: Follow your positve intrigues…put them at the top of life list and do it. God bless you, dear Brooklyn, now and always!
#876 greenfun
Really burned my pUMA hide also.
#898 prplvette85 I am proud that a Hoosier pointed out the auto industry . A few months ago , there was an analyst on Fox who said that the largets oil reserve in the world was in Detroit and that if they would implement the Technology they already have , there would be no gas problem .
#894 Firebell
895 TexasTigress
ditto
#818 goanderson
I just wanted to share what Hillary said on the senate floor in support of curbing energy speculation and achieving long term energy independence because from what I have learned it truly is a shell game.
“Drilling is the wrong answer. It will do nothing right now. It is literally a Shell game, or an Exxon Mobile game. It’s designed to serve the political interests of vulnerable Republicans and the financial interests of profit-rich oil companies. Average Americans will not see a dime,” Senator Clinton said. “The oil companies say, ‘Drill,’ and the President and the Vice President say, ‘How deep?’ I don’t think that’s the smartest, most effective answer.”
#905 OnlyHill
Thank you.
893 Asian4Hillary
If I could ever come up with the $$ to get out of my sub-standard “dwelling” (mobile home), I do want solar energy.
By the way PUMAs. When I suddenly became “single”, I went to a credit union to get a loan to purchase my land and mobile. I was told that I did not have any personal credit and that I was on loans with spouse – he was the primary lender. I cried and hollered, etc. and said it was unfair. The good credit rating was because “I” paid the bills. Got my mobile, got 5 acres and went from there!!
This is a question I have yet to see the answer to. When you are a pledged delegate, you sign a form when you are elected at your caucus in your congressional district. You pledge to vote for XXX candidate at the national convention. Those pledged delegates are awarded according to the specific states voting results. So– my question. How can a pledged delegate NOT vote for the person they pledged to vote for at convention, especially if her campaign is suspended and she is still holding all of her pledged delegates?
Even though the Republicans (Fox tv) may seem like our friends now in our fight with the Obama people, they are only helping bring our side to light to help get a Republican elected. In that same way, they seem to have the answer to high gas prices by offshore drilling, but in fact they created the high gas price crisis so that americans would then begin to scream for more drilling close to home because they think that will bring down the prices. It is a Republican trick that we should all recognize from all the tricks the bush admin has been pulling on us for the last 8 years. They are very clever at manipulating the populace. Don’t be so quick to fall for any more of their tricks.
Please watch and share these videos.
by Democrats08
Logistics Monster writes:
“A video history of recent Democratic Conventions has been produced by Democrats08. Take some time and check all three out.”
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http://pumaalliance.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/connect-the-dots-a-walk-through-history/
#876 Greenfun – I posted the following in response to the US News article you linked:
Democracy
Does Democracy have a pre-determined outcome determined by campaign contributions and coercion by the powers for whom you speak? Unity? No, that is conformity. That is what the Republicans do so well and have been using to win elections that they should not have been able to. George W. Bush was the result. If the Democrats do the same, the results will be no better and they will have lost themselves. The Democrats cannot win by being Republicans.
907 gypsy – YOU ROCK !!!! peace
This leads me to my next question. How can someone tell you to vote for another candidate and never have the chance to vote for the one you are bound to by your pledge?
Clinton Rallies Planned for Convention
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/clinton_convention_rally/2008/08/12/121288.html?s=al&promo_code=67C1-1
#909 BigCatLover
Thank you!
#893 Asian4Hillary
I agree, Solar energy on individual homes is one big part of the answer that everyone seems to be missing.
New Orleans Puma
I am one of those people who came and never left! I was born in Indiana but New Orleans is my home town. I have never felt more at home and more a part of another place on the face of the earth.
I am back in Indiana now but Im always hummin “Do you know what it means..to miss New Orleans..”
#913
no one is bound by a pledge~ they [superdel's] can change their mind down to the last second when called on for who they are pledging to~
912 TexasTigress
And…the best part…when I met my present other half, I told him I don’t cook, I don’t wear his uniforms so he needed to take care of that, and I told him I’d clean house when I got ready to!! Of course I already knew he likes to cook, he believes it’s fair to help with chores, and he really likes to go bass fishing – if he’s been good!!
I think we need to file complaints and request investigation into the discrimination towards Senator Clinton!! I will try to find the feds number for this department so we can do it ASAP. Will probably have to do it tomorrow.
As a reminder, Howard Dean has full power to put Senator Clinton’s name into nomination at the convention WITHOUT and other conditions. He is giving preferential treatment to “the man” and none to the woman. He should be added in the discrimation complaint.
Finally, is anyone working on the legality of Senator Clinton’s delegates being harrassed, threatened and intimidated? I don’t know if it is federal, state or DNC regulations but this IS definitely breaking it! I imagine Dean is considered a federal employee and if he gets some money at all from the feds, there may be alot of things he could be charged with. For one, we know he has been out stumping for *61. If he is doing that on any federal time (i.e.if he is getting paid from our taxes, the FEC really needs to take at look at that.
My mind is thinking a mile a minute but my body is not quite so fast.
NOISE! NOISE! NOISE
If the delegates are no bound by their pledge, how did BO get to be the presumptive nominee?
#913 retraction
i read up further~ maybe my answer doesnt apply to what you asked… sorry to butt in~
912 TexasTigress
Oh, the bass boat and the 4 wheel drive truck is in my name!!
I kid you not.
LOL gypsy Texas comes from good strong women stock..We are all definately Women On Top.
Hi Pumas,
I haven’t gotten the prowls for Ferraro or Rendell. Don’t know why.
Would someone please email them to me at
jesse seven two seven at live dot com.
Thanks
UtahPuma
CALLING ALL TEXANS*
Texas law allows the issuance of advisory opinions from the Secretary of State as to various elections issues. For example, based on information I previously provided on this blog, BO is unqualified to get onto the Texas ballot in the general election as a candidate for President unless he satisfies the conditions spelled out in federal law. I had proposed (on another blog site) that people wanting to challenge BO’s eligibility to get onto state ballots, instead of waiting until he files the requisite papers after the convention and then submitting their challenges within the narrow window provided by law, could seek advisory opinions in advance. Well, in Texas, the Secretary of State can issue these election-related advisory opinions.
http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/elo/index.shtml
While filing ballot challenges with the S of S might get BO off the ballot in the future; in the present it alerts these government officials (read, super delegates) that there could be a legal obstacle to his election. Maybe you all (said with a drawl) need to get in those challenges, now.
*This information can be translated to work in each state.
Here’s something VEEEEEERY interesting in my email from a fellow PUMA that we need some researchers to look into:
“apparently no one is contending that the California
Elections Code, section 6950, and similar laws in other states, requires that the elected delegates to the convention support the nominee they represented on the state ballot, at least for the first convention ballot.”
Shall we research this one in honor of Wiz? Trish?
#857 gojoyknocks
Hillary can wrap O. in her little finger! She knew she was being filmed when she spoke out at the fundraiser in California so that means she wanted to be heard and create a media buzz. O. knows he needs Hillary’s voters and now, through all the news this video has generated, he confirmed the strength of our pacs. Hillary holds the deck in her hands, she is giving out the cards and she demands to be heard or else… All this, of course, done with “unity” in mind… . Her close staff is constantly telling the media she is the best choice for VP, she says: “it’s up to Senator Obama” so that means she is not against the VP position. She knows that if she goes against him, she would receive a lot of criticism from her Party, the media and a big portion of voters. It is a very hard situation that she is in. Super Delegates are scared of speaking out against the Messiah and the rest of the Mafia clan in the Party. Unless a miracle occurred, such as the BC, the dual nationality or whatever dirty deals he has been involved in, I sincerely believe our Hillary will become the VP. I say all this with great sadness and in no way will this feeling distract me from fighting on for her nomination. But, having seen everything we have all seen happening on this campaign, I get a bit realistical at times. I repeat: I hope I am wrong!
South Jersey PUMA –
I met your namesake at the convention this past weekend. She was a hoot – just like you! Must be a Jersey thang. LOL
Nice to see ya!
I’m not talking about superdelegates. I’m talking about pledged delegates. It seems everyone (media, politicians, etc.) don’t really understand what a pledged delegate is. I wish someone in the media would inform us all of what it is, what are they afraid of? Holding the Democratic Party to task?
Sexist Discrimination in the DNC Primary
The Democratic Party is 46% male.
The SD are 64% male.
64% of the male SD pledged to BO to make him the presumptive nominee.
924 Caracal Carrie
Carrie, women have got to fight for everything they get. I lost alot with the ex-, but I just told myself that Never Again would I be in that situation.
Everyone here is just as strong as me….if not stronger.
Am so glad you joined us!!
Thank you Maryland PUMA! that’s exactly what I”m talking about. I’ve been through the process, you MUST vote for who you pledged to vote for on the first ballot. Any other ballots, you can vote for the freaking janitor, if you want to.
#926 jbjd , thanks you for that info . I will see what I can do . We have been hitting roadblocks here with the sos on our primary complaints and causus complaints , but we have to try everything .
Jon Voight on Glenn Beck…now
#933 SheShePUMA
Welcome x 2!
You’re welcome and welcome to the PAC!
Maryland PUMA
Maryland puma , does that only apply to State conventions ? I am trying to figure out how States can dictate National Party convention rules ..
says we don’t know who *61 is. Doesn’t know what he means by change.
Glenn says DNC is getting into bed with Marxists.
Calls *61’s platform a “platform of hate.”
Jon says DNC is trying to pin Race on Repubs. Saying *61 is very clever by trying to use the race card.
I missed most but thats the jist of things.
Time to let Dems know there could be real repercussions for tthe election and Obama when Rev. Wright’s book comes out in October, right before the election
#760 John
Tme to shake up those delegates. The timing of REv. WRright’s book is perfect and the delegates need to know that now and be asked, “do you really believe Obama will win over McCain with downward spiraling polls and another BIG push from Reverend Wright’s book in October? Please consider this issue and I urge you to vote for Senator Clinton in Denver because you know this will not be an issue for her right before the election in November. This could seriously impact the re-election of many other democrats.” Hee Hee Hee
I can’t get into my gmail account again. I don’t understand why I’m asked to sign up when I already am. My password isn’t working again. This is crazy.
#937 – TexasTigress
I have no idea – someone else sent me that as a “hint hint”. ??
938 ClintonRules on 08.12.08 at 7:40 pm
These are classic Saul Alinsky tactics. I googled him the other night and was astonished to see the parallels between tactics he advocated and those Obama employs, complete with: exploit white guilt, instill confusion, talk about change, but don’t propose any (apparently makes people anxious and uneasy), feed peoples’ sense of misery, sense of exploitation and dissatisfaction.
Any of that sound familiar?
And yep, he was a Marxist. Full-fledged and proud of it!
Alice Rodham
THANK YOU VERY MUCH for posting the URL, I’ve just finish watching the video. As i’ve said before endorsement of superdelegates is NOT vote. DNC and MEDIA try their best to LIE to the American people.
Maryland puma don’t know if my blog made it or not. South Jersey Puma you stole my name. Only kidding.
#927 Maryland PUMA on 08.12.08 at 7:31 pm
[[“apparently no one is contending that the California
Elections Code, section 6950, and similar laws in other states, requires that the elected delegates to the convention support the nominee they represented on the state ballot, at least for the first convention ballot.”
Shall we research this one in honor of Wiz? Trish?]]
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Sounds like something we should encourage our “friends” in the media to look at. I haven’t been paying enough attention to recall all of the delegates who have been threatened, pressured, or stripped of their status. But if we could supply (again) names of the delegates affected so far and cite the election laws in their states, then send that information to Lou Dobbs, Sean Hannity, etc., maybe they would take it and run with it. Work smarter, not harder, so to speak.
MARYLAND pUMA i MISS YOU!!! bEEN WORKING WITH THE GALS FORM Real Dems we’re going to kick but here in New Jersey and turn this blue state to RED
I hope Murphy can connect those three videos Alice Rodham just posted here in PUMAPAC so everyone can see it
Just in. Had a real inspiration how I can save on gas w/o inflating my tires more than normal:
Avoid driving altogether as there seems to be no pleasant way out of my neighborhood without seeing a zillion BO yard signs. Man, they really cropped up the past few days. So, I now plan to stay home (thank god i’m a nester!) until the election is over.
#921 Headclunker
Because alot of delegates “endorsed” him which doesn’t mean squat until everyone votes at the convention. The VOTE there is the ONLY endorsement that counts. So, the media and DNC spun it to force Senator Clinton to suspend her nomination and force everyone to THINK he won. He hasn’t won anything and basically Senator Clinton and him are almost neck-in-neck for the pledged delegates. Superdelegates can change their minds who to vote for 1000 times before the convention so Senator Clinton has a whopping good chance to win!!!
Murphy
Can you please link these 3 videos to our site so other puma and people who visit our site can see it?
You can embed it in our website..all three videos are in youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lPCunsrI1Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Khsg8iKjU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXpz8AJk8TM
This is a MUST SEE VIDEO, they three parts.
FreddieBrown…I would be happy to email you in regard to helping you devote more time in order for you to have the opportunity to squash out Obama…what is your email and I will see about helping you with your creativity job need.
i haven’t had time to catch up on every post, and doubt i will, but…
tree, i have the impression from one of your posts that you’re ill or maybe injured or had some surgery. if so, i must have missed the details, but in any case, i hope you’ll be doing better soon.
dances, since you called someone out on the blog yesterday for speaking for everyone (i think the content had to do w/john mc cain) beware of this tendency becoming contagious per you #821 post.
what is your email address?
Carackhead Carrie – nothing , I just wanted to give you a new nickname .
942 BrooklynNY
I’m glad you posted that. Someone else brought it up and I was wanting to find out more. These are also the tactics that the author of The Case Against Barack Obama said he used in Illinois. XXO does favors, gets rid of the other candidates and then gets elected with no opposition. His hands are clean – yeah right!!
#932 1gypsy4mc
we share the same thought; I lost alot with the ex-, but I just told myself that Never Again would I be in that situation.
amen~
ps dances (and murphy) – per my # 950 post, nothing personal to murphy, but dances, as you said several days ago, something to the efffect of trusting 10 people on this blog who started from the beginning, i too am someone who does not trust easily, nor do i throw the word “love” around readily. so my #950 comment is a general reflection not anything specific.
Here’s the link of latino pumas..
http://www.pumalatinos.com/
Did anyone else just see Lou Dobbs?!?! He was asking his panelists what was wrong with allowing those delagates who voted for Senator Clinton to have their say at the convention. He went on to say that this is the way it has always been done. Maybe some ignorant people out there will learn something about actual Democracy.
#955 Anna7000 Thank Goodness you didn’t come back all deep and analytical !!!! Just kidding , PEACE
Superdelegates are usually elected officials and they don’t vote until national convention. I am speaking of pledged delegates, average joe’s…who are elected in their congressional districts. They are bound to vote for who they are pledged for on the first ballot. The DNC has some guidelines, but each state uses different ways to have pledged delegates, but they are all bound by that one thing….you are pledged to vote for who you signed the paper to vote for. I’ve done this– it’s clearly stated…I will vote for XXX at the national convention. I am a XXX pledged delegate.
Does anyone know when Ed Hale’s show is coming on , I believe someone said it was on tonite.
#910 Alice Rodham Puma
Thanks for the posts to the 3 videos that talk about the nominating process and the history of the democratic conventions. Did you catch the remark near the end of the first video by Jesse Jackson saying that it was supposed to be a convention, not a coronation? These videos answer alot of questions about how the process works.
http://pumaalliance.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/connect-the-dots-a-walk-through-history/
#927 Maryland PUMA
We’ll take it from here
Peace
#927 Maryland PUMA
We’ll take it from here
Peace
#909 BigCatLover
WELL SAID!
Thank you
I think we should all call our State Chairman of our State’s Democratic Party and inquire how can a pledge delegate NOT vote for who they are pledged to vote for and why there isn’t a roll call when Obama and Clinton both have pledged delegates. I am in OHio. It’s useless to email, they only accept emails within our own states, so a phone call blitz tomorrow? Google your state democratic party and find out the number of the chairman.
OHIO– Chris Redfern 614-221-6563
Please post your individual states info for others to see and call, also.
Rumor is over 1000 calls to Rendell today according to
Corbett on wilknetwork.com
On the solar solution… prices have to come down. Just got home and my spouse was all smiling and excited. He had the plumbers come out and give him an estimate for a solar water heater… $6000???? Zowieee!!! the price has to be more affordable. Honestly I was expecting $2500. Guess I’m out of touch with reality. Our house is probably smaller than some people’s bedrooms… a tiny little thing. Needless to say, with the economy so bad, and just having bought a new furnace, we won’t be doing the hot water heater right away.
Larry Johnson supposed to be on Ed Hale’s show at 8 p.m.
http://www.hcsfjm.com/chat.html
prplvette, good! I’m happy to hear Rendell rec’d all those phone calls. NO Governor can tell a pledged delegate what to do, or not to do. Even Hillary said delegates can place her in nomination on that video from palo alto.
LOL thanks Texas ..Ill call you and tell you what follows that….
this is interestin :
Landrieu’s name removed from Obama fundraiserhttp://www.2theadvocate.com/news/26876419.html
“A spokesman for Landrieu’s Republican opponent, John Kennedy, said he believes the senator removed her name because she doesn’t want to be too closely connected with Obama in Louisiana, a state that is trending Republican in federal elections.
Oh… but on saving energy. I know from experience that if one can turn off the hot water heater when not using it (electric anyway, like when everybody is gone to work), there will be a nice savings on the electric bill. But if you forget to turn it back on, be prepared for a cold shower.
WE DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE! KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK. I HAVE FINISHED ALL PROWLS…AND EXTRAS FOR THE FUN OF IT!! NOW I AM POUNCING ACROSS THE INTERNET.
PEACE & LOVE
This is a bit older , but in line with the conversation . It is about sen. Boergers from md. who refuses to vote for Obama at the convention .
http://www.politickermd.com/kevinagnese/2566/boergers-won-t-commit-voting-obama-november-says-clinton-s-name-must-be-put-nominat
I wanted to share this email I received today from my niece. I feel it was her way to support my belief in Hillary and also her admiration in regards. I am posting it as written. I had some doubts due to the religious context of the narrative, but please read it for the message, not for how the message was written for presentation. This is for Hillary and all of us here at PUMA pac.
~J.
The One Flaw In Women
By the time the Lord made woman,
He was into his sixth day of working overtime.
An angel appeared and said,
‘Why are you spending so much time on this one?’
And the Lord answered, ‘Have you seen my spec sheet on her?
She has to be completely washable, but not plastic,
have over 200 movable parts, all replaceable
and able to run on diet coke and leftovers,
have a lap that can hold four children at one time,
have a kiss that can cure anything from a scraped knee to a broken heart
-and she will do everything
with only two hands.’
The angel was astounded at the requirements.
‘Only two hands!? No way!
And that’s just on the standard model?
That’s too much work for one day.
Wait until tomorrow to finish.
‘But I won’t,’ the Lord protested.
‘I am so
close to finishing this creation that is so close to my own heart.
She already heals herself when she is sick AND can work 18 hour days.’
The angel moved closer and touched the woman.
‘But you have made her so soft, Lord.’
‘She is soft,’ the Lord agreed,
‘but I have also made her tough.
You have no idea what she can endure or accomplish.’
‘Will she be able to think?’, asked the angel.
The Lord replied,
‘Not only will she be able to think,
she will be able to reason and negotiate.’
The angel then noticed something,
and reaching out, touched the woman’s cheek.
‘Oops, it looks like you have a leak in this model.
I told you that you were trying to put too much into this one.’
‘That’s not a leak,’
the Lord corrected,
‘that’s a tear!’
‘What’s the tear for?’ the angel asked.
The Lord said, ‘The tear is her way of expressing her joy,
her sorrow,
her pain, her disappointment, her love,
her loneliness, her grief and her pride.’
The angel was impressed.
‘You are a genius, Lord.
You thought of everything!
Woman is truly amazing.’
And she is!
Women have strengths that amaze men.
They bear hardships and they carry burdens,
but they hold happiness,
love and joy.
They smile when they want to scream.
They sing when they want to cry.
They cry when they are happy
and laugh when they are nervous.
They fight for what they believe in.
They stand up to injustice.
They don’t take ‘no’ for an answer
when they believe there is a better solution.
They go without so their family can have.
They go to the doctor with a frightened friend.
They love unconditionally.
They cry when their children excel
and
cheer when their friends get awards.
They are happy when they hear about
a birth or a wedding.
Their hearts break when a friend dies.
They grieve at the loss of a family member ,
yet they are strong when they think there is no strength left.
They know that a hug and a kiss
can heal a broken heart.
Women come in all shapes, sizes and colors.
They’ll drive, fly, walk, run or e-mail you
to show how much they care about you.
The heart of a woman is what makes the world keep turning.
They bring joy, hope and love.
They have compassion and ideals.
They give moral support to their family and friends.
Women have vital things to say and everything to give
HOWEVER, IF THERE IS ONE TINY FLAW IN WOMEN,
IT IS THAT THEY FORGET THEIR WORTH.
Ed Hale saying Michelle Obama tapes are real. He’s supposed to be getting clips from them in a few days. Tomorrow night’s guest is supposed to have them.
#975 jeremy , Thank You ….
who is Ed hale
I presume all of you got this while I was gone. She’s taken the kool-aid, she can change her vote any time she wants.
“Charlene FERNANDEZ”
Dear Clinton Supporter,
I would like to thank you for the time you took to write to me about your concerns for Senator Obama and your strong support for Senator Clinton. I admire that you and so many other Clinton supporters want your voices to be heard, but I personally feel that they were heard throughout the primary process and the voters made the decision in nominating Senator Obama.
I will not change my vote to Senator Clinton, although I have the utmost respect for her, I pledged my support to Senator Obama back in April and I will not deviate from that commitment.
Thank you for your time.
Charlene Fernandez
First Vice Chair Arizona Democratic Party
Obama Superdelegate
I expect to pass through this world but once; any good thing I can do, or any kindness that I can show to any fellow creature, let me do it now; let me not defer or neglect it, for I shall not pass this way again.
Thank you TexasTigress for that link, that is exactly what I’m asking!! She is quoted in the article,
“”I’m a pledged Hillary delegate,” Boergers said. “That’s what I was elected to do.”
“I’m shocked that other people think that’s a question,” she said in reference to reversing her pledged support. “I can’t figure out what’s going on.”
#976 Bigcatlover – PLEASE let that be TRUE !!!!!!!!!
I am begging each of you to contact your state party chair of the democratic party and ask them the same question . Why isn’t Hillary’s name in nomination and what are her PLEDGED DELEGATES supposed to do?? They are pledged to vote for her on the first ballot.
#965 SheShePUMA
OHIO– Chris Redfern 614-221-6563
CA – Art Torres chairman@cadem.org
#977 TexasTigress
You are welcome.
Stop the coronation, and have a nomination. As it says in the RULES.
Senator Clinton statement on Georgia note the date. A leader above the REST.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/12/hillary-still-trumps-obama-on-leadership/
go to http://www.billoreilly.com/
and rate Obama’s campaign so far… I gave it an F… they just had on Ann Coultier who accused obama of being a Marxist. O’Reilly tried to say she was being foolish. Too bad it wasn’t someone more credible saying what she was saying… cause I agree with her but unfortunately Coultier can come off as crazy a lot of times
954 SouthJerseyPUMA
Sorry, I running between back and forth from the TV to here.
Yes, it’s hard:
First time: Shame on Me
Second time: All Mine……….Motto
I’m sorry you experienced the same thing. One nice thing is that I get half his retirement for life – I pray he lives a very, very long time!!
Peace
# 978 ladyhawkke
“I will not change my vote to Senator Clinton, although I have the utmost respect for her, I pledged my support to Senator Obama back in April and I will not deviate from that commitment.”
this seems to be the party line from all the chairs and vice chairs in their e-mails to us. what i ask back is: why would be so rigid as to state that you would not change your mind? is there nothing you could learn and no further reflection you could have that would sway you?
i mean, how frightening is that. so, in other words, their commitment to XO is worth more than any info they may learn about him between now and the end of the month. of course, so much info about him has already been exposed and they are obviously unphased, but still, the whole notion of what they’re expressing is utterly insane. i’m amazed they’re dumb enough to come out and say it it’s so transparently stupid.
(sorry, i’m in a really bad mood and so sick of all of this stupidity and blindness)
Good evening PUMAs!
Here in Florida, *61 was changing Hillary’s delegates to his own.
I know there was a letter posted here a while back. Does anyone know how to find it? It gave names and I will do the research to confirm if Hillary’s delegates were removed.
If so, time for exposure! Peace to all!
Go vote Pumas. Too much Blue.
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/08/12/aol-straw-poll-aug-11-18
Also — I find this interesting. Apparently the press is aware of these stories — but like the Edwards situation — it’s difficult to get them to report them. I will post my email to Mr. Warshawsky and his reply:
Subject: Bravo – excellent article
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:43:38 -0400
Dear Mr. Warshawsky —
I thoroughly enjoyed (and agree) with your article on “Why Obama is in Trouble.” Thank you for being among the few journalists who aren’t afraid to report honestly on Senator Obama.
But here’s a challenge. Any takers on reporting this breaking news from the Hill Buzz?
http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/breaking-if-obamas-name-is-really-barry-soetoro-his-primary-results-are-all-disqualified-and-he-is-not-the-nominee/
All my best,
XXXXXX
_______________
He replied with the following:
Thanks for your email, Mara. I’ve seen some of these reports about Obama. Interesting, to say the least.
Best wishes,
Steve W.
sheshepuma – maybe you aught to e-mail murphy directly with your idea. sounds like something that would be worthy of being a coordinated effort.
at this point, i, for one, am at a total loss as to who is really the go to person regarding all of the legalities and rules about how pledged delegates are obligated to vote on the first ballot. i think i’ve heard just about every conceivable option on the blog these past several days. it’s frustrating cause none of us are experts and we’re all scrambling around trying to educate ourselves about something and doing it with one hand tied behind our back because the most obvious source for information is surely not giving us the time of day.
(sorry, i’m still in a really bad mood)
DELEGATE HARASSMENT, HOW TO STOP
FIREBELLE PUMA AND MARYLAND PUMA
You are geniuses! Here is how someone can immediately stop the harassment of delegates we have now seen in 2 states.
Individual states only allow candidates for POTUS proposed by the major parties to get onto the ballot for the general election, at a date and time subsequent to their party’s convention, because according to the rules of that party, the candidate is only determined after votes at the convention. But, by coercing delegates to make the decision to support a particular candidate – BO – before the convention, the DNC is in effect violating the spirit if not the letter of the law.
The delegate from CO has hired an attorney. Contact her and propose she could go into the state court of appropriate jurisdiction to get an order restraining the head of the state party from pressuring her regarding which candidate to support, on the grounds this would make her a party to a violation of election laws in CO.
oh yeah, sorry.
peace.
ugh
jbjd – the heading of your post lifted my spirits and gave me hope. then i waded into the technical jargon and sunk. that said, what do you think about us contacting alan derschowitz. he was an avid clinton supporter and obviously an extremely outspoken lawyer who takes on difficult and controversial issues. i don’t know what kind of law he specializes in, though.
also, wouldn’t any kind of legal action take a very, very, very (we’re talking YEARS) long time to resove. time we haven’t got.
please do share more hopeful info on this matter.
desperation is leaking in and i’m sinking. boat going down. sos!!!
#948 Asian4Hillary
what an excellent youtube post! i also think they should be embed in our website~ gosh they are so great!! [lack of a better word!] who said dean and pelosi get to change the rules?!!
#994 ((((((((( anna7000))))))))) Peace
Just received this in email: (p.s. evening thread coming up so we can all take a (short!) breather). email:
“Your home page “misison statement” makes you sound like a terrorist organization.
I’ve attached an e-mail I wrote after reading PUMA’s e-mail to delegates.
If John McCain is elected, Americans can thank you for it. Borrowing a phrase from
McCain, I think your group would rather lose the election than have Obama win.
It boggles my mind that you do not see the ramifications of what you suggest.
(Obama won fair and square even though it was a squeaker). But if you manage to
hijack the nomination, why would his supporters now suddenly support Hillary?? They
could sit this election out or vote for McCain too.
I know many people who supported her initially, but were totally
turned off by her and her husband’s behavior during the campaign.
We are on the brink of a new era in the Democratic Party, and the Clintons are
both soooo yesterday. See the upcoming article in The Atlantic — the author
totally nailed it.
Hillary was and is a very polarizing figure. Her chances of beating McCain are
probably less than Obama’s because his independent, Republican, and swing state
possibles will not vote for her. Not to mention the Black vote that she managed to
totally alienate after years of support for the Clintons. If she won, it will be
with the same me vs them (red vs blue states) that many Americans are tired of. She
is the past and Obama represents the future.
Believe me, if Obama wins, all those politicians who just couldn’t get over it will
be a high risk for retaining their seats in the next election. We are taking names.”
Obama Nation is a must read! Especially for anyone that actually would stoop low enough to vote for this inexperienced FRAUD. It is unfortunate that in this day and age the msm is not all over this bogus presumptive nominee, it is really sickening. This is one scary guy. Someone needs to expose this hack, what are they waiting for? I realize the GOP wants obama, he is the weakest candidate, but that Obama has anyone fooled is beyond scary. WAKE UP AMERICA, WAKE UP DEMOCRATIC PARTY! They are setting up, yet again for disaster.
Missouri Information
The Missouri Democratic Party
Headquarters
208 Madison Street
PO Box 719
Jefferson City, MO 65102
Phone (573) 636-5241
Fax (573) 634-8176
John Temporiti Missouri Democratic State Party Chair
Yolanda Wheat Missouri Democratic State Party Vice Chair
Shirla Howard Secretary of the Democratic State Committee
Rod Anderson Treasurer of the Democratic State Committee
#991 mzebest- the problem w/ the MSM is they don’t report the truth, they are all corporate owned so we know that the bottom line is their primary objective, not reporting factual info. If they had reported appropriately, we most likely would not be in Iraq, the senate would not have been pressured to vote for it because Americans wouldn’t have been calling them w/ threats after what they saw on the “news”.
Another point I heard on Bill O’Reilly last night re: JOhn Edwards- this was not a private matter. Edwards was running for POTUS and accepting campaign contributions. If he was lying to the public and taking money for the campaign, seems to be a violation of FEC.
There is also speculation that there may have been “hush” money to her and if that ever comes out, that really would be a federal offense. I think my point above may be an academic point but if he was paying her off at the same time that he was running to be the democratic nominee, true federal offense.
Sorry for the disjointed rant, a little fired up today.
oh yeah, Peace Out
Thank you !!!!!! Headclunker and mpdamon for the article follow up.
jbjd~ wow! your good!
yes Murphy contact her.. i think this is a great idea! even though she is in CO, she will let it be said for many others! and show they cant do this! i am impressed~
murphy – i love it. first we’re just a small insignificant group. then they anticipate blaming us for swinging the election to mc cain. love how they want to have it both ways.
(sheesh. bad mood growing. ship going down fast. thanks for the hugs texas tigress)
Hey Murphy, Who wrote that e-mail? It was Donna Brazille wasn’t it?
anyone have sirius radio? I found this,
any one heard about this?
Mark Thompson on Sirius radio said he was shown a document by a “highly placed” Clinton supporter. The document outlined a plan wherein if Obama had a 5 point or less lead over McCain in the polls going into the convention, Hillary would sign the nomination form and force a roll call. It went on to state that SD’s are being informed at this time of her intentions.
and to whoever wrote that my name is PRPLVETTE85 AND I AM A PUMA.
now i’m just sobbing because i see all of us running around like chickens with our heads cut off taking action, trying to educate ourselves about a whole world we know so little about, dealing with so much rude opposition. it’s crazy and heartbreaking, but also very moving and deeply inspiring. you all are lifting my little boat right now which i really need. this is truly quite amazing.
pride. heartbreak. resolve. determination. fear. anger.
trying really hard to find the “peace”
You guys have to watch these informative video about the history and fact of the Democrat convention. It’s a very good production. And there are 3 parts. Please help spread these video.
Democrats 08: Connect-the-Dots
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lPCunsrI1Q
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Khsg8iKjU
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXpz8AJk8TM
#874
First of all you are listening to, to much media. Second of all they hit oil everyday and have to cap it off to get to the gas. It will not take 10 years. Third of all they wouldn’t be drilling along the coast shores and the oil that was recently found in the Gulf is more oil than Saudi arbia before they started drilling over there and they have ways to protect our ecosystem the problem at the moment for the oil found in the Gulf is it is to deep and they are trying to figure out how to pump it out. You need to stop listening to the media and the corrupted Dems such as Pelosi, OBAMA, and Dean. They are full of it.
#1005 michelle47 hey welcome back you’ve been MIA for awhile, I thought you left..
jbjd- you are awesome…..thank you for all the advice you give. you are a puma angle.
#1007~ i understand… and with other issues in the world that will be in the hands of the next president.. just has had me twisted too…. as you werent alone, i am sure many more feel the same way… walk away when you feel like this.. call someone you care about, take a short walk, find a quite moment and see something beautiful along the way~ it can be overwhelming~ so take five
i find this helps…
Kieth Olberman had the Rocky Mountain News in his worst persons because of their article regarding dual citizenship! They are noticing, he is such a hack……………
#1006 purplevette85 ” and to whoever wrote that my name is PRPLVETTE85 AND I AM A PUMA.”
HUH?
Anna7000 “trying hard to find the peace”
here it is >>>>>>>> PEACE !
slyt2, Was on a much needed vacation…I don’t post often, but believe you me I am here everyday! This site keeps me up to date, I refuse to watch the news and I do mean refuse.
joeysky~ nice to see you!
i’m going into my garden for a while….
1017 TexasTigress I was responding to the email Murphy got where they said they were taking names from our emails
Olberman says that Kenya does not allow dual citizenship according to their constitution.
Did any of you ever get a chance to watch the video terror storm before they took it off the internet and the government through Alex Jones in prison? We have it if any of you are interested in watching it I will see if I can get it to post on here. It is about 9/11
RD is hosting a show on blog radio-
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/conflucians-say-tonight-at-9pm-est/#comment-93255
#1021 prplvette85 – oooooooohhhhhhhh ! I get it ! LOl I was slow
You all need to go to http://www.prisonplanet.tv
#1020 Anna~ what a lovely idea! we PUMA’s will be here for ya~ have a shot too! lol… [j/k!]
smile honey! and enjoy the garden~
prplvette85 – your post just caught my eye. are you saying the obama campaign is somehow getting our contact info from murphy’s e-mail data base? i ask because 1) that would be freaky, and 2) i just got an e-mail from the obama campaign today that addressed me by my user name on this blog, which i thought was really wierd
please fill me in. not going anywhere till i understand this more (might be so pissed i start cutting everything down in my yard)
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/riverdaughter/2008/08/13/Conflucians-Say
blog radio in 3 minutes
Ed Hale’s source in Hawaii said all records of 3 hospitals for year BO born have disappeared. Employees don’t know where they are. Also dept of health cannot find them.
something big is happening on Ed Hale need to come listen it’s about that thing that we don’t talk about here.
#1025 Texastigress- lol I should have referenced it sorry! come on over to the radio show, going to discuss Rendell and events of today.
1001 murphy
Please tell that an undergraduate, majoring in Dry Cleaning at a community college, wrote that emai.
Please.
dances – sorry for eavesdropping, but your post cracked me up. going to weed now and hope i don’t get carried away. prplvette85, i’ll look forward to understanding better what your post was about (see my post #1028)
dances – sorry for eavesdropping, but your post cracked me up. going to weed now and hope i don’t get carried away. prplvette85, i’ll look forward to understanding better what your post was about (see my post #1028)
dances – sorry for eavesdropping, but your post cracked me up. going to weed now and hope i don’t get carried away. prplvette85, i’ll look forward to understanding better what your post was about (see my post #1028)
Hey Everyone — listen and call-in to “Conflucians Say” Riverdaughter’s nascent show on No We Wont Radio starting now! here’s the blurb:
There’s a lot of news to cover since we talked last less than 24 hours ago. This is the second test segment in the lead up to hosting NO WE WON’T for Sheri Tag tomorrow. Sheri’s on vacation and she asked me to cover for her (Bwhahahhahahahhaahhh!)
Tonight, we’ll be discussing the heavy hand of Ed Rendell, the intimidation of Sacha Millstone, the delegate in Colorado. Plus, we’ll talk about what Obama was trying to accomplish with those non-flammable emails. Join me, Kbird, Gary, Mawm and BB as we are together again for the first time on Conflucians Say at 9:00PM EST on blogtalkradio.
And here’s the link…
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/r...
So tune in, call in, and make some noise!
It’s ok Murphy cause we’re taking names too and there are more of us.
OY!!!!!!
sorry. don’t know what happend. please feel free to ban me from the blog for the rest of the night.
dwp, I wish.
dwp, I wish.
dwp, I wish.
Anna7000 — just kidding!
BIGCATLOVER
hmmmmm…. maybe they fell into the wrong hands~ how is that possible?? what a bunch of bs if true! so now we need a Hawaiian born that yr to make a stink about getting his~ and see what happens~ wishful thinking, sorry
anna7000 — never! we have a mission to keep you cheerful!
#1010 Anna7000
You explained it so well, I was talking about the same thing last night with a fellow PUMA. We have learned so much, we have cried, laughed and experienced so much! But one thing I appreciate the most from this experience is the new friends I have acquired. When we campaigned for Hilllary here in PR, four of us women became very close. Now they are among my best friends. Hillary joined us and for that I thank her. Also, this PUMA Pac group has become a very important part of my daily life and for that I am also thankful.
murphy – i’d rather just have the drugs, thank you.
Hi Maryland Puma #814..I am here in Southern California and I would love to purchase Denver Stuff (even though I cannot attend)…Bummer!!!!I will be doing ground work here…and supporting all of YOU while you are at the convention…Please let me know, I will pay for S&H…No Problem…Would like to do this ASAP the Convention is near and I would like to be able to wear and display and handout everything regarding Pumas and the Convention…..Thanks…Ps in regards to the post #861 Re:Brain Vitriol, What he did is LIBEL: A method of defamation expressed by print, writing, pictures or signs. In its most general sense, any publication that is injurious to the reputation of another….It is very serious…Slander is spoken and a simple ” I’m sorry, and did not mean it ” is the Cure…But, with Libel a Retraction in Print is required or the one (Murphy) can recover damages. Just thought I would throw that in…Peace everyone!!!
#1007 Anna7000,
Coming to get ya in the “Puma Life” Boat!
You hang in there, remember the silver lining in every cloud.
amarissa – what a kind and generous comment. i don’t think i’ve explained anything very well for most of the day. that said, it’s always helpful to read posts that remind me that we all feel like this at times. and, yes, this community of people have become an important part of my life and my ability to fight this fight and feel less alone as i do.
Dr. Corsi on Hannity now talking about Barry and his new book about Barry, THe One.
thanks vonay. by the way, now that snowtiger’s hanging around again, i’m looking forward to what your new signature sound will be now that she’ll likely take back her snort (which you were so kind to keep alive for her!)
Murphy’s link doesn’t go anywhere . anyone have the link to the show ?
Murphy, I think you should tell the writer of the e-mail, that we put our Country above the party.
We will not turn our Country over to an inexperienced, talking suit. Especially one with a very shady past.
I think that was a threat in the last paragraph.
They are going to fight tooth and nail to keep Hillary’s name out of nomination, aren’t they?
I will be gone next week, so I will catch up when I get back. This “vacation” was literally ordered by my Doctor..
I am not allowed to watch tv, read a newspaper or argue with anyone about the election.. The only good part is that I will be able to play the slots. That’s not all bad.
Can someone please delete the post where Anna7000 compared Ms. Brazile to a “Bloated Toad” .
#996 jbjd
I don’t know about being a genius. However, I will give credit to all on this blog who contribute ideas. One person plants the seed of an idea, someone else waters it and tenders it, others help it grow and thrive, and soon it flourishes. As Hillary says, “It takes a village.”
Anna7000 – I’ve been in a really “down” mood too and that is why I haven’t been around the last couple of days. I’ve been lurking tho’.
I got a voice mail yesterday from an attorney in town who invited me to a “Q&A” session at the YWCA about Obama – and she said “it’s for professional women and even though I know you are an avid Hillary supporter, we think we should try to educate ourselves about BO”.
I called her back and left a vm today and said I was sorry, couldn’t attend, and could never wrap around my arms around the concept of voting for BO. Thanks, but no thanks!
I also made the mistake of watching CNN last night and a couple of mainstream media news – I haven’t done that for months. It made me depressed, sad, anxious and meshugina (yiddush for crazy)….
I need to get in your boat and get a lift out of my funk.
But I do feel gratitude for all the Pumas who are so hard at work and making such a difference….I think fear is really settling in with me…sorry to sound so negative….
Someone earlier said “Are they just trying to think of things that will really pi$$ us off?” It does sure seem like every day there’s something new that is so outrageous that it is beyond description.
omg go to
http://www.hcsfjm.com/chat.html
Does anyone know what Larry Johnson has/had to say?
#952 Anna7000
“dances, since you called someone out on the blog yesterday for speaking for everyone (i think the content had to do w/john mc cain) beware of this tendency becoming contagious per you #821 post.”
————————————————–
Absolutely right.
That comment was actually written differently, but if made me feel too vulnerable, so I changed the comment.
I really don’t care to have others speak for me, whether it’s a political position (we’re all voting for McCain), or a sentimental one (we’re all family, etc.).
Thanks for the reminder.
(((((((((((((
I hesitate telling you what that represents, but I will:
it’s representative of an arm around another’s shoulder … as in “thanks, pal”.
Im trying to find any of these shows you are all talking about but I am a bit lost..
Texas ..wish I was down there .. I would love to jump in the lake and go chunky dunkin..grr hot flashes
BO was born in CANADA !!!!!!
Clinton Rallies Planned for Convention
Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:30 AM
By: Jim Meyers Article Font Size
Supporters of Hillary Clinton are planning a number of rallies at the Democratic national convention in Denver to express their disappointment with the party’s presidential primary process.
The Denver Group, formed by two Clinton backers, has filmed a TV commercial and scheduled a large reception in Denver for August 26.
Another pro-Clinton group, 18 Million Voices, is organizing a march on that day in Denver “and nationwide to support Sen. Clinton and advocate for women’s rights worldwide,” according to its Web site.
Some of the Denver Group’s goals are at odds with those of the Democratic Party, The Hill newspaper reports. It wants an open convention, with Hillary’s name placed in nomination, as well as a genuine roll call vote with Clinton as a legitimate candidate instead of what it calls a “coronation” of Barack Obama.
Clinton backers in Denver will hold signs reading, “Denounce Nobama’s Coronation,” according to the Denver Post.
Heidi Li Feldman, co-founder of the Denver Group, said her organization has raised up to $40,000 and bought six print ads in addition to the TV commercial.
One print ad showed a picture of Franklin D. Roosevelt and asked, “Would Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi have kept his name off the ballot?”
The ad pointed out that Roosevelt went into the 1932 Democratic convention short of the necessary delegates to sew up the nomination and won on the fourth ballot.
Marc Rubin, the other co-founder of the Denver Group, said there is “palpable anger” at the Democratic National Committee.
Hillary recently declared that Democrats must unite behind Obama and disclosed that she is in talks with the Obama camp and the DNC about her role and the role of her delegates, according to The Hill, which added:
“Clinton and many of her backers believe that, if there is a strategy of recognizing the New York senator’s delegates at the convention, it would be a cathartic experience and lead to a more unified Democratic Party.”
Birfth certificate news
Could Obama be born in Canada
http://www.rense.com/general82/pbb.htm
they where just sent the BC,,,,mammaE has a copy
they where just sent the BC,,,,mammaE has a copy
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/show.aspx?userurl=riverdaughter&year=2008&month=08&day=13&url=Conflucians-Say
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/
Carrie
No Quarter is listed on right hand side – Go Anderson sent it to you.
http://www.hcsfjm.com/
dang they think its a fake
goandersen’s link is perfect
Carrie
I’ll come back for you…just say you couldn’t get on one of the them, Okay?
Thanks to you!
TRISH fromCanada
ARE you on??? They need you on ED Hale’s blog radio
# 1052 Texas Tigress – WHAT?!* I surely never wrote anything like that and anyone who “knows” me on this blog would know that I wouldn’t. So, would someone please delete TT’s request with my name in it associating me with a way of speaking that I would never speak?
Thank you.
I can never get the radio station to play on my lap top …
Prowlland , what do I do when I get to that link you posted ? Is it another radio show ?
I can never get the radio station to play on my lap top …
Prowlland , what do I do when I get to that link you posted ? Is it another radio show ?
thanks, dances. you’re making me cry. i really appreciate and respect how graciously you heard my post. ((((((((((
Texas Democratic Party
505 West 12th Street, Suite 200
Austin, TX 78701
512-478-9800
512-480-2500 (fax)
http://www.txdemocrats.org/
Chair: Boyd Richie
Vice Chair: Roy LaVerne Brooks
Executive Director: Rubin Hernandez
lorelai – really great to “see” you. i was going to write a post asking where you’ve been. sorry you’ve been feeling down. join the club girl. (we could be the D&N group: Down And Nervous!)
rev manning is going to be on Big ed’s show now
Clinton Rallies Planned for Convention
Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:30 AM
By: Jim Meyers Article Font Size
Supporters of Hillary Clinton are planning a number of rallies at the Democratic national convention in Denver to express their disappointment with the party’s presidential primary process.
The Denver Group, formed by two Clinton backers, has filmed a TV commercial and scheduled a large reception in Denver for August 26.
Another pro-Clinton group, 18 Million Voices, is organizing a march on that day in Denver “and nationwide to support Sen. Clinton and advocate for women’s rights worldwide,” according to its Web site.
Some of the Denver Group’s goals are at odds with those of the Democratic Party, The Hill newspaper reports. It wants an open convention, with Hillary’s name placed in nomination, as well as a genuine roll call vote with Clinton as a legitimate candidate instead of what it calls a “coronation” of Barack Obama.
Clinton backers in Denver will hold signs reading, “Denounce Nobama’s Coronation,” according to the Denver Post.
Heidi Li Feldman, co-founder of the Denver Group, said her organization has raised up to $40,000 and bought six print ads in addition to the TV commercial.
One print ad showed a picture of Franklin D. Roosevelt and asked, “Would Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi have kept his name off the ballot?”
The ad pointed out that Roosevelt went into the 1932 Democratic convention short of the necessary delegates to sew up the nomination and won on the fourth ballot.
Marc Rubin, the other co-founder of the Denver Group, said there is “palpable anger” at the Democratic National Committee.
Hillary recently declared that Democrats must unite behind Obama and disclosed that she is in talks with the Obama camp and the DNC about her role and the role of her delegates, according to The Hill, which added:
“Clinton and many of her backers believe that, if there is a strategy of recognizing the New York senator’s delegates at the convention, it would be a cathartic experience and lead to a more unified Democratic Party.”
© 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.
Obama renting oceanfront vacation home of campaign contributor
But here’s the twist: According to the campaign, it is a mere coincidence that Obama, his family and friends from Chicago are staying on a sprawling Kailua beach estate owned by Jill Tate Higgins,
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
Any one listening to the show that’s is some scary stuff. What is going on???!!!
1061 vadaryl on 08.12.08 at 9:18 pm Birfth certificate news
Could Obama be born in Canada
http://www.rense.com/general82/pbb.htm
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The b/c is signed by Dudley Doright. Come on, even I do not believe this one.
#1072 Anna7000 WHAT, someone wrote something with your name about Donna B?????
Go here and look at the first picture and enjoy!
http://womenstate.blogspot.com/
# 1076 – fyi , for anyone writing specific letters and addressing people in a formal way, ie, ms or mr: roy laverne brooks is a woman. i had the impression she no longer held any post with the tx dem party after a rather controversial issue arose w/the obama campaign. long story i learned while researching sd contacts. you sure she’s still one of the tx party officials?
((((((((Anna7000))))))) It’s good to be missed. thanks.
Carrie, are you okay? Am going back to the Hcsfmc one now.
Riverdaughter:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/show.aspx?userurl=riverdaughter&year=2008&month=08&day=13&url=Conflucians-Say
slyt2 no, someone posted a request to remove a post that identifies me as writing a post that referred to donna brazile in a really crass way and i didn’t and don’t want my name associated with it. so i want the post referring to the whole issue removed (which is post # 1072). i have no idea where the actual post is that the person is referring to, but i know i surely didn’t write it.
FERARRO’S RECENT COMMENTS:
Can someone please provide a link to the site that either has the text of what she said or a video of her. I can’t find anything anywhere and would like to read/hear precisely what she said?
Thanks.
Goandersen – No pressure, but for some reason I’m counting on you for this. Don’t ask me why.
FERARRO’S RECENT COMMENTS:
Can someone please provide a link to the site that either has the text of what she said or a video of her. I can’t find anything anywhere and would like to read/hear precisely what she said?
Thanks.
Goandersen – No pressure, but for some reason I’m counting on you for this. Don’t ask me why.
#1089anna , sorry , bad joke to try to make you laugh …. Tail between my legs and going to the corner …
Peace
Gosh – anyone who knows Anna7000 knows she wouldn’t write something like that – of all people!
I am so sorry for whoever lost their cat above as well, much earlier in the day it was posted. My dog Murphy is 18….that and aging parents, and death of democratic party – feels like I’m looking at life through a prism of loss.
Must be time for medication! lol
ugh. deletion police, please do your job. double posted unintentionally.
texas – i wondered if you were trying to be funny. girl, just wasn’t. i’ll let you know when you can come out from the corner.
meanwhile, seriously, i would also like the 1072 post deleted.
thanks. sorry for all the deletion needs all of a sudden.
#1089 Anna7000 I didn’t think you would say something like that but I did see the post where T T said that, but I couldn’t find a post of you saying it. It’s still up there by the way, what T T wants removed and her post with the name. I hope that makes sense..lol
#1085-Anna7000
I do not have any idea Roy LaVerne Brooks. I just got the information from the Democratic Party’s website.. anybody who wants to send letters, if this cannot be verified, just exclude Roy LaVerne…
By the way world….
“WHAT PART OF NOBAMA DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND?”
should of looked closer we have been had
#1038 Trish from Canada
ARE you on???
Oh, and I forgot to mention that I was invited to a 2500 per person fundraiser for #61 tomorow night.
I get one email per day from the host and it turns out my therapist is one of the hosts…..I was going into all this meshugas about how the I have been obsessed with this campaign since January and can’t stand 61. And then she lays that one me – one of the hosts for his campaign.
What kind of freudian mess do you think will happen to me as a result of this weirdness?
I guess I’ll have to learn more boundaries! I thought I learned that a long time ago….lol
1098 vadaryl on 08.12.08 at 9:46 pm
should of looked closer we have been had
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What?
overnight post up. big day yesterday, big day today, big day tomorrow.
Get rested, refreshed, and ready.
take it upstairs!
Lorelai — find a new therapist — STAT!
NOT KIDDING.
1100 Lorelai
Inappropriate, unethical for therapist to solicite clients.
lotts1948 – if you got the contact info off the tex dem web site for 2008, then it must be accurate.
vadaryl – huh?
lorelai – i second, third and fourth murphy’s advice – get a new freaking shrink.
Good night to all Pumas!
I finished my prowls.
Love and peace.
lotts1948 on 08.12.08 at 9:43 pm
#1085-Anna7000
I do not have any idea Roy LaVerne Brooks. I just got the information from the Democratic Party’s website.. anybody who wants to send letters, if this cannot be verified, just exclude Roy LaVerne…
Anna7000-
I believe i am in the loop here in tx to say ” to my knowledge she’s still here”. Oh, and i mean that as of friday 8/08/08
Anna7000 – believe me when i tell you the site is not updated frequently enough to reflect day to day changes
Anna thanks for checking on me!! I got distracted likening to the radio Conflucians Say
lol listening**
Carrie – new thread “upstairs” Calm Before the Storm
Time to move up and out of here. Just scroll to top of page and go to new thread.
#991 Anna 7000, I think I am having the same mood.
MOMMA E HAD A GOOD SHOW~
SheShePUMA you’re right She She, delegates are supposed to do exactly what you said. I found out that in Oregon one of the Hillary delegates is now trying to get the other Hillary delegates to vote for Obama. As soon as I found out I e-mailed her that she was breaking the rules and that as an Oregon Hillary supporter I want her to follow the rules and vote my vote. I sent it today with some other harsh words and expect an answer by tomorrow. If I do not get an answer I am going directly to the dnc leadership and I will file a suit.
Dear Knoxville Puma,
Hello. I am only presuming that you read many of these comments, not unlike other anti-puma pac bloggers who obviously do the same.
I have only a vague awareness as to why there was a falling out between you and this pac. I have a feeling that you are like many pumas: one who questions authority and feels a need to stand up against the powers that be when you perceive injustice.
My sense, however, is that you are controlling and seem to have a vindictive spirit with regard to Murphy and this pac and I consider that to be a distraction to the entire puma movement. I see that anti-pumas seem to revel in your indignant stance, and enjoy publishing your feelings of betrayal and concern, while simultaneously mocking you and all of us as a group. I think that reflects poorly on you, especially when they wish to exploit your concerns for the sole purpose of degrading the entire puma movement. I do think you are a true puma, so when will the time come to pass when you ask yourself if your pursuits are causing more harm than good?
You do not do the budgeting for this pac, and so the financial aspect of this organization is not in your control. Just because monies spent are not being spent the way you would spend them does not mean that there is any waste going on. Murphy has already explained what she is raising the money for (Denver is high on the list), and she discloses the amount of money raised in accordance with the law.
I believe one of your issues is the documentary? I’m not sure why? Perhaps you are the sort who is impatient and wishes to see immediate results, or you are the sort who appreciates short term goals instead of alternative long-term goals. As you know, there has been a massive effort in the media to promote Obama, one could argue there is a serious media misinformation campaign that occurred during the democratic primaries, and continues to this day. The only way to bring the truth to a massive amount of people is via media, and the only way to get the whole story out is to produce one’s own argument with proof. You know that an article or a television appearance would never fully inform as many people as a documentary filled with anecdotal evidence and visual proof. Why can’t different groups have different plans? This is her pac, and not yours, and not mine.
While I think it is important to question others and have a healthy amount of suspicion with regard to any organization…it is something else to make blanket accusations and allegations without proof or reasonable cause. It’s so harmful, and such a waste of energy. For the amount of time it takes you to spread your comments, and emails, and for Murphy to address them here, and for me to address you here, it surely has wasted several hours of precious action time. Anti-pumas delight in this fact. Perhaps you do as well, since you are receiving time and attention?
How are you being helpful to the puma movement in this respect?
I try to get along with all pumas, but there are ones with whom I don’t agree, and some rub me wrong, which is normal and expected as far as I’m concerned. I doubt everybody loves me, and that’s ok. I do however care about the puma movement and our universal goals, and I would defend those I’m not especially in favor of due to my commitment and loyalty to the cause. One pac, or one group of others would not cause me so much…angst. For a fighter, is it possible you a touch thin-skinned, and lack a level of maturity necessary to fight the big fight? Personally, I would consider myself above it all if I was in your shoes, and I’d work even harder to prove my effectiveness. We are not the same people, obviously, but certainly I wouldn’t be so offended at society. Society offends. This is just the way I see it.
I’m not sure if you have a pac? But if you do, and you are furthering the puma goals, I think it’s great, and it wouldn’t be my business how you run your pac. Perhaps people would contribute to you in good faith, and that is their right, and wouldn’t that be all to the good–even if I would personally run my own pac differently than you?
I think you feel hurt and angry, and you feel like you are on the moral high ground, but if you are causing the same amount of damage (and worse) than those rabid anti-puma people, perhaps you could try to reevaluate your position…somewhat? If you were hurt, I am sorry for your hurt. You are now hurting others though, and now you have lost your higher ground, even among those (like me) who took your concerns with a grain of salt. I do try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, so why not try with respect to Puma Pac?
PUMA is a big group. It is OK to not like Puma Pac. That’s fine, but just let it be and let’s all work together on different platforms toward the same universal goals, both short-term, and long-term.
I have nothing personally against you. I would currently attempt to be friendly to you in person, but let’s get on with this and focus on the big picture. Let’s move on past this animosity and team up for the same ultimate goals, albeit on different stages (blogs). You are just a click away, and so am I, and so are all of us. What we have all accomplished independently and as a unit is truly astounding, and it does take patience and an ability to adapt.
I feel the need to add that Just Say No Deal is its own website, however each blog or site linked to it takes responsibility for their individual content and JSND is not responsible for others. There are no bosses in this movement. Some have perceived leadership roles, spokesperson roles, and organizational roles, but there are not any bosses, and there is not even “puma” without us, so beseeching Will or Murphy or others with regard to complaint is fine, but we are all our own bosses. If you are trying to access a general manager of sorts, it is not going to be found.
In any event, I hope we can all move on from this, and if that is not the case, I would genuinely begin to wonder why your efforts against puma have seemingly become your main objective.
I’ve tried to be respectful, and I do request, as a fellow puma, that you please refrain from causing further discord within our movement.
Take care.
TOPIC: My Thank You Note to Geraldine Feraro
I feel like a little kid turning in their homework late, LOL…hey, I sent it out at noon on my lunch break, I guess that’s all that matters.
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As a fellow supporter of Hillary Clinton, I just wanted to express my sincere appreciation to you for speaking out publicly about sexism in today’s society.
As a member of PUMApac and a former precinct worker, I have been speaking out about Hillary to everyone who will listen. And I know all too well how lonely it can feel to speak out when you’re the only one. I’ve been there, time and time again (I’ve worked in forestry all my life, a very male-dominated profession)!
How well I remember when you ran for Vice President on the ticket with Mondale. You stood as a beacon of hope for women everywhere, and continue to do so today.
Thank you so much – you make a big difference to so many of us!
I always have trouble logging on to Wordpress. They gave me such an abominable password. Can I change it to something simpler?
I want to send a check for Pumapac, but am at my camp and can’t do it until tomorrow. Will that be too late?
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