Here’s something from Bill Cosby, a very interesting read:
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‘They’re standing on the corner and they can’t speak English.
I can’t even talk the way these people talk:
Why you ain’t,
Where you is,
What he drive,
Where he stay,
Where he work,
Who you be…
And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk.
And then I heard the father talk.
Everybody knows it’s important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can’t be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth.
In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.
People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now we’ve got these knuckleheads walking around.
The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.
These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids.
$500 sneakers for what?
And they won’t spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.
I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.
Where were you when he was 2?
Where were you when he was 12?
Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn’t know that he had a pistol?
And where is the father? Or who is his father?
People putting their clothes on backward:
Isn’t that a sign of something gone wrong?
People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn’t that a sign of something?
Isn’t it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body?
What part of Africa did this come from??
We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don’t know a thing about Africa ……
I say this all of the time. It would be like white people saying they are European-American. That is totally stupid.
I was born here, and so were my parents and grand parents and, very likely my great grandparents. I don’t have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany, Scotland, England, Ireland, or the Netherlands. The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans as regards to Africa. So stop, already! ! !
With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap …… and all of them are in jail.
Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person’s problem.
We have got to take the neighborhood back.
People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different ‘husbands’ — or men or whatever you call them now.
We have millionaire football players who cannot read.
We have million-dollar basketball players who can’t write two paragraphs. We, as black folks have to do a better job.
Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.
We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.
We cannot blame the white people any longer.’
This race card NOBAMA and his croonies are using does not fly anymore.
Asian,
Thanks for posting that. You do know, they threw Bill Cosby under the bus when he came out with his book tour on the subject. Seems they really don’t want to hear the truth.
I know it is killing me but I am watching Obama on meet the press. Is the vien popping out of Obama forehead a new one? I hope somewhere he feeling a little preasure as I don’t think he can not hanle anything other than being adorn.
#3 sandtraps Meet the press doesn’t come on here to 6pm so you’re have to tell me if I need boots for all the sh*t, or a barf bag or both and sunglasses to block the glow from my TV site as he speaks.
Slyt2 meet the press same old stuff–Obama is all knowing . Fair questions from Tom( I think Obama probably had them prior) .At least From Tom , I don’t feel like he he has a tinkle running up his leg.
Good morning all: Opened my e-mail this AM to find a response to one of my mass superdelegate pledge to Senator Clinton. Responder was SD Saxe. Sent out quite a few states, so don’t know which state, but she sent me a one liner saying, HOW ABOUT PAYING OFF SENATOR CLINTON DEBT”.
Forgive my ignorance here everyone, but what is she saying? she can’t be a nominee unless your campaign debt is paid in full. I e-mailed her back that we are collectively/personallycontributing toward her debt.
http://time-blog.com/swampland/
Obama Arrives Home, to a Not-So-Warm Welcome from McCain
July 26, 2008 10:22, Posted by Karen Tumulty |
The charter landed about a half-hour ago in Chicago, to news that the McCain campaign has launched what Halperin is calling its “toughest attack ad yet.” But there’s a little problem with this line:
And now, he made time to go to the gym, but cancelled a visit with wounded troops.
Sure enough, the accompanying footage shows Obama playing basketball … with the troops in Kuwait.
Ok thanks sandtraps, I don’t think I would watch it anyway but if I did I need to be prepared in my “protective clothes”. Hmm no tinkle up the leg he maybe taken out back and dealt with.lol
John McCain is on Conklin and company right now, don’t know if you all can get it on or not. Lee Conklin is a local newsman here in Ohio but it could be a national show don’t know.
I was just reading some of Gretas blogs:
The Obama’s do not give gifts to their children on Birthdays or Christmas. What does that tell you. Can you imagine no Christmas at the White House? He says he is Christain, that such a lie! Just read the People Magazine article and you will see for your self.
I read that release date was suppose to be 7-25. I pre-ordered at amazon. It is not yet in stock, will ship as soon as available.
I read that book is already in 3rd printing.
If you order at orangestatepress you get autographed copy.
prowland:
Most black churches do not celebrate Christmas or Easter in the commercial way.Because it is a man made holiday. They celebrate the birth of Christ, but do not have xmas trees, gifts etc. They also do not allow halloween etc. Mostly it is the Pentecostal’s that don’t. Not the baptist etc.
16 Storyteller I believe thats true. There is so much I wish would come out in time. I think his campaigned fought the Muslim idea to fast to strong. He did have a closed meeting at th eMosque in Colorado. The largest one here in this country. Gaddafi said he was fellow Muslim when h eendorsed him so did Farrakhan. Wish there was a way to prove it.
The O’s don’t give birthday or Christmas gifts to their children??? What’s their reason for this? What religion do they belong to? What Christian does not give gifts; it’s started by the Wise Men. That church he belonged to is not Christian. What preacher gets up and says, turn to your neighbor and say the government, lies. That church is nothing more than a political, anti American, Anti-White political movement, disguised and covered up with their twisted verion of Christianity.
Was talking briefly to my married son this morning. We got on the topic of politics and he mentioned to me in one particular sentence, well, ma, it’s over, Hillary lost because she conceeded and gave in.
I explained to him the difference between the words “presumtive” nominee, and that the *real* nominee isn’t chosen until the August Convention, and that Hillary can still be voted in.
His reply was most valuable to those here. Said he,
“Well, that is interesting ma, because those of us at the Post Office are all Hillary Clinton supporters, and man, would they love to see her as our President because she worked for us, and cares about us, unlike that Obama dude.”
I never heard of pent. not celebrating the only ones here I have heard of is Johova Witness.I imagin Muslims wouldn’t. Holoween is supposed to be from pagan holiday a lot dont allow that.Might be a good thing to check on will try.( My spelling is yuk sorry)
I am and Air Force NCO deployed to Bagram Afghanistan. When Obama stopped here for lunch he didnt visit troops he visited with the brass and had a couple pictures taken with a few choice young GI’s. I did eveything to try to shake the mans hand and look in his eyes to see what kind of man he is but it never happened. For all of you who bash the US military. Come here take a look in our hospital its full of Afghan children women and men missing hands arms legs. They are in our hospital because of mines, not our mines the mines the USSR and many other countries made to look like toys and laid them all over the place. This country has more mines than any other. We the US put ZERO on the ground. We clear hundres of them a week. We have lost troops doing this. Dont belive me get on a plane and get over here if you have the guts. My soal has been forever touched by a beautiful little girl with a huge smile missing a leg. You want to bash us for making her smile when she has no damn reason …
cosmeta – It’s amazing how many HRC supporters truly believe that she ended her campaign rather than jsut suspend it. I had to correct a supporter yesterday. He was stunned.
#19 prplvette85, I was raised in a Pentecostal church, my grandmother was an ordained minister and missionary. Your statement is incorrect. We always celebrated Birthdays with presents, Christmas with gifts and decorated trees. Perhaps you are mixing your statement with the Jehovah Witness belief?
I am wondering if a list can be compiled of all Hillary’s constituent groups. They should all be contacted in some way, shape or form, because I betcha a lot of them are just like my son, thinking it’s all over.
We MUST stress the point to people that we are STILL inside of the PRIMARY PROCESS and that a nominee is not selected/voted in until the August Convention.
We MUST stress to them that the General Election does not offically begin until the democratic August Convention and the September republican Convention.
We are still in Primary Season We are still in Primary Season We are still in Primary Season
We are still in Primary Season We are still in Primary Season We are still in Primary Season
We are still in Primary Season We are still in Primary Season We are still in Primary Season
Rep. Steve Geller is going to drop his lawsuit against the DNC re FL because BO is assuring him that all delegates will be seated with a full vote! How convenient for him, why not NOW! I suggest a prowl to Steve Geller and ask that he not drop the lawsuit and if FL going to be seated in full, that should be done BEFORE the convention. If you call the Senator, just give them any Florida zip code. I’m probably going to call and fax him tomorrow once I get his fax number. http://www.ballot-access.org/
Tallahassee Office:
Room 228
Senate Office Building
404 South Monroe Street
Tallahassee, FL
32399-1100
(850) 487-5097
Senate VOIP 5097
Email:
geller.steven.web@
flsenate.gov
McCain was saying Ohio (where I live) is totally up for grabs that is why he has been here like 9 times since primaries and BO like none(maybe once) anyways I will for sure get flyer’s in post offices
This is what i post when i hear that….i copied from somewhere :
FOUR THINGS TO KNOW ABOUT DENVER
1. Senator Clinton has only suspended her campaign. She has not conceded and never offered a statement of concession which is traditional when someone is no longer a candidate. She did not officially end her candidacy which she could have chosen to do. She is still technically a candidate.
2. Senator Clinton has not released her delegates. Releasing or asking her delegates to support Senator Obama is also something she could have done. She has not. All of Senator Clinton’s delegates won during the primary season are still committed to her and can cast their votes for her at the convention as long as her name is on the ballot.
3. Super delegates public declarations do not count. They can change their minds ( as some did during the primary). They are not committed to any of their public declarations. Nothing counts until they cast their votes in Denver on August 27th.
4.Superdelegates cast their votes in a secret ballot. Unless they themselve choose to reveal who they vote for, no one can know.
I hope Pa and Ohio and NY will go McCain if not Hillary. I am trying anyway:) A lot of Dems in Ny that have been true dems forever will vote McCain. I know it isn’t much but our family and friends there are over 30 in this little area going McCain
Virginia is a state we need to turn around he has wall to wall workers there he wants it so bad. If we could do something there if we need to would be good.
I think we need to let people know also it is very important to find out if you can write Hillary in. I know alot of people who say I’m just gonna write her in well that may not work. I believe it was Will Bower on the radio gave out a link to what states do and don’t allow write in’s and I still have that. I know Ohio doesn’t and I’m trying to explain that to people. How can we make people understand that may not be the answer???????
If you want the inside information on what Donna Brazile has been up to , click on the link under her name at the top of the page and read the city edition article about her ties to Karl Rove. This is amazing stuff!
#26 Flowerchild – yes , they are very strict. Sort of on the same lines as the Jehova’s Witness, but they believe in Jesus. Some Pentacostal Churches are stricter than others. How I know is I am Italian, my husband is black. When we moved to Texas, we were searching for a church to go to where we both would be accepted. Not an easy thing to do in Texas by the way. I went to my first Pentacostal Church. Whew, I was really lost…..They were talking in tongues, passing out on the floor, hollering and scraming, I was in shock. My husband laughed at me cuz I did not know what to do. Needless to say we did not go back to that one….I am not knocking them, it is just not me…I was the only woman with make up on and a short skirt ( not a mini, just to my knees) ….I felt like a harlet lol…..to me it felt like they were looking like is this her pimp lol………we have been married for 17 years…but we still have to watch where we go…..it is not easy, we get the racism thing from both sides lol
#1 Asian4Hillary I admire and respect Bill Cosby as much as anyone I can think of. I haven’t watched a comedy since “The Cosby Show” ended. It was the gold standard of comedies.
I know he was criticized for making speeches to AA. He told them they were to blame for their children being in jail and not in school. He said they wanted everything given to them. How right he is..
sandipuma, this is a repeat from yesterdays’ thread. I always seem to get in at the end..
The post about the shirt cracked me up. I said the very same thing. It looked like it was painted on me, and that wasn’t good.
I wear a medium, sometimes a large in Alfred Dunner tops, so I thought a large would be fine. I think it would have been if it had not been the stretchy material.
It will go in my closet with my Hillary shirt that is a large in men’s and goes down to my knees. I just can’t get anything right.. LOL…
The only religion I know that does not celebrate Christmas or Easter is the Jehovah Witnesses (sp).
There are so many things wrong with nobama. We can not let him win.
There are things I disagree with John McCain about. However, I know he is a Christian and a war hero. He is a decent man. That is enough for me..
The only way you can write in Hillary’s name and have it count in Ohio is “if” Hillary files a Declaration of Intent by September 3, 2008. This info came straight for the Ohio Secretary of State Office.
#31 Ohio- No, I am not mixing them up. I am talking about Black Pentacostal Churches, There is a big difference in the Black Pentacostals, and the white churches. I have been to both. So I can see where you are coming from.
#46 prplvette85, I adamantly disagree with your assessment of the Pentecostal Church. Perhaps the church you visited was NOT truly a Pentecostal Church.
No comments on TV yet. I think copies were pre-released to the media. Perhaps they are waiting for general release….but remember we cannot count on our biased news coverage.
Don’t feel bad about not being able to see our TV….your g.i. (gastro-intestinal) health will be better for it.
#49 prplvette85 thanks for the link but I already have it my concern is there are people out there in states (mine included) saying they will just write her in (that’s what my husband was going to do till I showed him it wouldn’t count). Anyways I guess I am just trying to figure out how many people are planning on doing that (some states a vote for her will be a vote for BO) and how we can let them know it may not count.
#54 go_Ohio_Lady,
I know you don’t understand, because I did not either. There really is a big difference in the predominately Black churches vs the white churches. I am simply giving my view on the many Pentecostal Churches my husband and I went to in Texas, and in Chicago and Indiana. Black churches are very different, in the way they conduct their services, and on their teachings. I know some of the churches now call themselves Evangelical Churches.
A PERSONAL OPINION and a FACT are two different things. I do not wish to have a personal debate with any of our members but I do insist that we try to establish opinion from fact for all the People reading our blog.
#48 catsrlove:
Thanks for stirring up a fond memory for me….your mention of Hillary’s religion.
It was my first post as a PUMA regarding the “great unity-coming-together’ where *61 was constantly touching Hillary. I was shouting at the TV for him to get his hands off her….”She’s a Methodist woman, for God’s sake!”
I can’t believe it. Senator Chuck Hagle on Face the Nation said that McCain’s commercial was inappropriate and not true. because he said Obama’s decision not to visit the hospital was the right one since that part of the trip was part of his campaign. He is a Republican and bashed McCain. He also said he didn’t know who he would vote for in Nov. since he will put country before party. Ouch!! I bet McCain is pissed at him. Wow.
#61, Well all I can tell you it is a fact that is what they taught in the Churches we went to. The churches had Pentecostal in their names. I am not an expert on the Pentecostal church. I have no reason to say anything other than the truth. I am not putting down any church, especially yours. I am just saying, based on what I experienced, it was not for me. Is yours a Black church? Maybe the difference is how the two different races choose to believe, Not the name of the church.
That is very interesting. I live in Florida. BO is nonexistant here. No bumper stickers or posters. Very little press and mostly negative comments on any blogs. I, myself have frequently suggested that, since BO decided we should have only half a vote, that all our SD should compensate Clinton by all voting for her.
Florida Democrats can make our votes count. So BO would be much better off looking like he is being fair.
Florida is populated with the most broad range of diversity of just about any state in the country. It is not a real good place for racists and the race card will not play here. So how would that look if Florida said NO to BO?
Thank you both for the link(#58 mcr 1 prplvette85) but I do not need it. I have it. I was just trying to think out loud I guess if anyone knew how we could get the word out to all states. I can copy my list and paste it all over town but that’s not gonna help people in Michigan and Virginia and NH and Vermont and so on.
I live in FL Tampa Bay area, I have seen only one obama sticker, s few anti obama ones including the ones on my sons truck and only my own Hillary ones HILLARY for president and Hillary supporters for Mccain.
[[ Rep. Steve Geller is going to drop his lawsuit against the DNC re FL because BO is assuring him that all delegates will be seated with a full vote! How convenient for him, why not NOW!]]
Because he wants the big harrah to proclaim himself the savior and uniter, when it was Hillary who has been fighting for Fl and MI and Hillary who should be given the CREDIT if and when they are seated at the Credentials Committee come August 25th.
By reducing them to 100% at the beginning, gave him the advantage both at the beginning and then again at the end when the DNC Rules & Bylaws committee gave them back their 50%. But all that did was give him momentum (= both delegates and donation money) going foward. And yes, admittedly, it did finally give Hillary back her popular vote, but only after it was too late to do so.
So now, going foreward BHO wants to take the credit away from her, again… so that he can proclaim himself to be the great party uniter. In so doing, he thinks he will win the minds and hearts of the Florida and Michigan delegatation at the convention, as well as the voters come November.
He thinks we all have short memories and that we will be forgiving or forget what he did.
He is betting, that many of the General Election voters have not been paying attention to the Primaries and do no know about the corrupted stategies by Howard Dean and the DNC.
And that’s where we come in, because we have to make sure they know where he stood and that he fought against having a revote, whilst Hillary did not; she fighting to get that revote.
Save them links to point people to, folks…
They might very well be our life saver!
We shall remember, and not soon forget!
I am also hoping that the DENVER GROUP is able to place a nice big ad in those two states!
Who are you going to vote for, the man that is playing kissy feet with all the leaders, and would rather exercise in the Ritz Carlton gym than visit injured troops.. or the man in aisle 9 looking at the price of milk?
I haven’t been paying attention to the latest news on BHO’s attempt to give money to the DNC. But if he is still holding off, my guess is that, he himself is not sure that he will win the August nomination. Therefore he is holding back.
Because,
He thinks he can lose it to Hillary!
If he were, totally, 100% sure that he is the party’s nominee, he would have done it already. And has not!
I’m trying to email the NotFallinginLine letter to the wisconsin dems and to dean and pelosi. My gmail keeps sending me the message that it does not recognize the dean and pelosi email addresses. Look at them below and let me know if you have used these addresses before or if there is a problem with the way they are formatted:
I have made no bones about how I feel. The day after the convention, if Hillary does not win. I will be helping Senator McCain. BO is the wrong person for this country and I will have no part in helping him to anything. If any of you from the Great State of Florida are in or around Panama City 1 AUG, Friday John Rich will be at an event for John McCain. If you would like to know. If not that’s fine.
I have HAD it with these disrespectful responses from our elected officials.
You will receive an email stating this but want it out there in PUMAville NOW:
I want a copy of EVERY SINGLE response we have received from delegates, superdelegates, and any other person we have contacted and received a response from – even the “I can’t reply because you are not in my state” bahloney. Don’t care if they’re nice or mean. This needs publicity – PERIOD. These people have NO basis on which to speak to us in the manner they have. I want dates, times, and which PROWL they are responding to.
Forward copies to me ASAP. Put RESPONSE in the email subject.
From what I have heard the book fleeced by dick morris isn’t to flattery about BO either. Now that Hillary is out (in his words NOT MINE) he doesn’t say to much nice things about BO and he says his plans for certain things are not good and will be bad for us, heard this on Hannity and Colmes .
#15 PouncingPuma on 07.27.08 at 11:10 am, WROTE TO,
from downstairs:
#201 Storytellers
“Obama: The Man Behind The Mask” by Andy Martin
[[ I read that release date was suppose to be 7-25. I pre-ordered at amazon. It is not yet in stock, will ship as soon as available.
I read that book is already in 3rd printing.
If you order at orangestatepress you get autographed copy.]]
[[ I was just reading some of Gretas blogs:
The Obama’s do not give gifts to their children on Birthdays or Christmas. What does that tell you. Can you imagine no Christmas at the White House? He says he is Christain, that such a lie! Just read the People Magazine article and you will see for your self.]]
I hope you know that does not prove he is a Muslim; but it does show that he is an atheist, just like his mom.
The only reason he joined the Trinity Church of Christ was for politican gain in Chicago.
I just sent the following letter to Don Fowler, Alice Germond, Dean and Pelosi, cc’ing of course to six members of the media:
Subject: Please, by all means, write more
Dear Mr. Fowler and Ms. Germond,
We were wondering about whether you have any plans to write another letter to the supporters of Senator Hillary Clinton. Considering the quality of your first letter, we certainly hope that you are planning to write more.
Indeed, we eagerly await your next statement about how “fatigued” and “irritated” you are at those of us who continue to speak out against the way in which Hillary Clinton was treated during the contest for the party’s nomination and who continue to refuse to fall in line behind an unknown, inexperienced, unqualified and unprincipled neophyte in a nice suit.
Because your public displays of complete ineptitude as principled leaders of the Democratic Party – your total failure to act as though you even know what the principles of democracy are – serve our efforts of dissent against the leadership of the Democratic Party so very well, we eagerly await your next statement about how “fatigued” and “irritated” you are.
Thank you for helping us to prove our point and for doing it so publicly.
The problem I see with the books about BO is getting the right people to read them, and getting press coverage on them. Few are willing to say anything negative regarding BO.
The BO camp has somehow even managed to not allow any negative protests, etc been shown on the news coverage. I find it hard to believe that there were not any protests while BO was on his world tour, but yet, nothing was shown. They are trying to do the same thing in Denver by having all the protesters far away so it will look like BO has unified the party.
This really scares me, as it reminds me of Castro, and others – the way they control the media.
Gooooooooood Mornin’ PUMAs.
Does anyone have a link that shows what day Hillary is going to speak at the convention? I remember reading it is the 24, the 88th birthday of Womens Suffrage. I need to have it for PUMA that want to go to Denver but won’t be able to stay for the entire time. I couldn’t find it last night and want to be sure.
#81 Maryland PUMA is there anyway I can find my old post besides the obvious looking through every single one because I did get a response and i posted it for all to read but I do not remember which one it was posted. what was the day we had to click on email address and then write them( i believe it was a 3 parter that day).
Oh, and by the way, everyone give a big ol shout to CHRISTINA who has nothing better to do with her time than to harrass us.
We really should thank her for the free publicity she gives us by covering us on her ….. *blog*. All those copy and pastes from here show that she’s got a vendetta against us, not all PUMAs.
I fully expect to see this grace her blog along with her typical snarky comments that have no factual basis or tell only half the story. Too bad this PUMA PAC doesn’t care enough to give her the hits or the recognition that she is so desperately seeking by riding our coattails.
She and her little tiny clique of bots make a perfect example of themselves when they post all over the blogs.
“For those of you going to Denver PLEASE be careful. The Dean Team is beginning to really freak me out. He has police consider what equipment they will use against us. That means that if they see anybody wearing a PUMA t-shirt, Hillary t-shirt or sign or anything of that sort, they will attack us. That REALLY scares me.
Here’s a link to this article from FoxNews: http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/26/police-prepare-for-thousands-of-protesters-at-denver-convention/
I realize that they are just trying to scare us off, but this may not be the best way.
Take good care of yourselves, we need every puma alive and being well.”
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Sorry, but, based on your source, I don’t get where Dean has any control over the police strategies, weapons, or tactics. And, there is nothing in the article that you posted that suggests otherwise.
Also, I cannot for the life of me “get” where you conclude that if PUMAs wear anything to identify themselves, they will be attacked by the police.
#86 MP….((I will be working my PAWS off in Photoshop and Pulling the responses together and working on our WE WANT Proclamation)))
Is that he same WE WANT list I sent you a number of week ago?? Have fun at the pool!!
One comment…I have a feeling that the media is watching what we post much more closely now. It is a
great opportunity to post some positive stuff toward our mission…which in the short term is to do all we can to see that Senator Clinton is placed into nomination at the convention and persude the SD’s to vote for her…and secondly to highlight that we are VERY large in numbers and will absolutely not capitulate to the media or DNC persuasion to roll over to a false unity front for the DP. When our democracy is at stake…how can we?? Clear and simple!!
Sandipuma: Loved your comment, “I will be going with bells on,” whoo-hoo!
also that’s cool you’re from Canada!
NorthernNeighbor: Yes just (finally) ready to go.
I almost forgot you need to make reservations to take the ferry! Ooops, that would have been bad. Well that’s what happens when you’re
* working full time
* raising kids
* feeding kids, cats, & chickens
* dating (just good practice in how to be fearless, haha!)
* & most of all, BEING A GOOD AND PROUD PUMA.
Thanks for your good wishes northern neighbor, am gonna try & log in a few times this coming week for sure.
last post, I sent the info from blogradio to my sister last night.
Texassherry: Here’s what she wrote back!!
Warning: long post
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Texas’ caucus system is a hot mess and should be destroyed.
My own experience at my own local caucus:
The caucus opened at 7, when the polls closed.
At my polling place, I got back there at 6:45, there was still a LONG line to vote the ballot vote. ALL those people were allowed to vote, they put a worker to stand at the end of the line as it existed at 7:00. The caucus was not allowed to start until they were done voting.
They were done voting about 7:35 or so and we got started.
Caucus was scheduled in the school cafeteria which was positively bursting at the seams with people, WAY more than the room had room for and way more than had been expected. We sat on tiny chairs (elementary school). They had us divide up by candidate, Hillary’s on one side and Obama’s on the other. The Obama side was larger than the Hillary side by, I’m only guessing, but it looked like two thirds Obama, one third Hillary. We had to elect a president, a vice president, a secretary (my memory’s not all that great, titles may have differed) – imagine being in an overcrowded room full of strangers and trying to “elect” someone you’ve never met and never heard of. That part was outright ridiculous and led to some very chaotic and loud interactions. They led the proceedings in spite of being ordinary citizens who had not a clue what to do and working off a cheat sheet provided by t he Dem party.
When you voted the ballot, you were supposed to get “a receipt” to show that you had voted. This was not offered voluntarily by the pollworkers, you had to ask for it. You DO get a small slip of paper before you vote that LOOKS like what we all think of as “a receipt”; if you weren’t in the know I think you probably thought you already have your “receipt”. MANY of the caucus attendees brought these small slips of paper rather than their official receipts. ALL of those attendees were allowed to sign the caucus vote list, but ALL of those “irregulars” had to be vetted before the votes could be counted.
My personal sense is, that aside from any wrongdoing which may or may not have taken place, the pollworkers and party workers were positively overwhelmed by the caucus response, which at my polling place and many others, was mostly in favor of Obama.
The “vote” in the caucus was, you signed this yellow legal pad with a number on the left, your name, address, phone, your candiadate, your precinct number (TWO precincts were voting at this one location, part of the crowding column), showed your receipt and your voter registration card and the worker wrote that down. So the several hundred in line had to wait till everybody signed this ONE legal pad. Towards the end, there was an announcement to “please write small, we are doing two people per line”, so someone didn’t bring enough paper, for one. If you didn’t have your receipt or your voting card you had to be “vetted” before your vote would count, that accounted for the delay in reporting.
I got out of the caucus at about 9:30 pm. Pretty big time investment for that second vote. I had signed on the list to be a delegate at the county convention but nobody could tell me WHEN the county convention was. When I found out, I already had a business trip lined up that weekend. Many desperate calls to both Hilary headquarters and Dem party headquarters later, I was unable to find a “substitute” delegate to take my place, so my vote was lost. That rankled, I felt like SURELY the Hillary hdqtrs had SOMEBODY who could stand in my place, but they didn’t, so by signing up to be a delegate, and having a business trip, I had COST Hillary a vote. That hurt.
Okay, that’s my personal caucus recollection. Going to read that article now.
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my own personal take on this (this is hillstheone talking now), sounds like “business as usual,” the Democratic party never seems to have their act together. I say this from first-hand experience as a precinct worker.
Maybe we PUMAS can help them get their act together…
On July 25, Joe Wineke and the Democratic Party of Wisconsin decided to strip Debra Bartoshevich of her delegate status for the 2008 Democratic Party convention.
We must respond to this horrendous decision.
Please take a look at the two letters for that are posted at http://www.NotFallingInLine.org, make suggestions for their improvement, and send them!
Obama always has protests it just doesnt get covered.
I emailed Martin from the site and ask if he was staying on this ? Could something be done before convention and is there more definate proof?
Monday I am going to call Hillarys Office and see if I can get somewhere. I am from New York and hope that cuts me through a little.If there are definate questions you want me to ask post ok? Thanks
To the Wineke letter (the one to the Democratic Party of Wisconsin) that I mentioned in #108, I changed the 1st sentence of the 5th paragraph to: But I must ask you, why do you have a problem with it?
Does that sound ok, or should I put it back to:
But I must ask you, “Why do you have a problem with it?”
94 all i can find…they may not know yet..
Hillary Clinton, will, of course, get to give a major speech at the Democratic Convention. It will almost surely be on the first night, Monday, so that the “Clinton story” can be put to rest and the rest of the convention focused on Obama.
I HATE THAT LAST PART !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That’s reall odd that you’re having problems with those addresses.
AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov has always worked for me and (I just checked again) is the address that we – not being constituents of her SF district – are supposed to use.
The second address for Dean – HowardDean@dnc.org – is also correct, though I used lower case: howarddean@dnc.org. Still, it shouldn’t make a difference, should it?
As long as you you sent it also to Pelosi at sf.nancy@mail.house.gov and dean at deanh@dnc.org, they’ll get it. You’ll get an automatic response saying that Pelosi can’t *respond* to you from her sf.nancy@mail.house.gov address, but she still gets the messages there.
You know the absolutely most hysterically funny thing to me is to visit the site.. yes, I know.. but just out of curiosity… a PUMA trait.. and to see that all her little “blogs”, all of them on the page, have SO VERY FEW comments… she’s keeping this up all on her own… and yes, she absolutely has a hard-on against PumaPac.. and Will Bowers.. of course.. I mean Will and Murphy are the ones she has chosen to call liars… but it is hilariously funny that she feels such a rush of power over a “blog site” that has so few comments to each post.. and many of those, I imagine contain responses by dear “Christina”… ego-stroking much???? LOL
I thought somewhere I saw Obamas Dad was married when he was born to someone else though. Anyone see this?I still think he is not able to serve.The longer we go the more they will fear “takeing it away from him”How many times did we hear that?/
Thank you for sharing that. My experience at the caucus was total chaos. Nobody knew what to do. Nobody had to show a receipt or anything. They had papers laying on tables that people just went and signed with their precinct number, voting registration number and who they were voting for. I was also a delegate for the county. I had to call the county office to find out when to go to the convention because like you nobody at the caucus knew anything. I had to read the instructions and show them how to calculate the number of delegates even though it was the first time I had ever been to a caucus. Unlike your precinct though everyone was a Hillary supporter except 2 people. The county convention had more Obama supporters and the leaders there said that they would support any democratic nominee and recommended that all delegates do the same. Since I could never vote for Obama and knew so at that time I ended my journey there and decided not to continue to the state convention.
To avoid being annoyed by the little boy who would be King, simply ignore him. Today is my “No O Day’. I’m not going to look at him, not going to read about him, not going to watch anything on TV that might have anything to do with him, not even going to think about him. Today is MINE!!!!!
[[ cosmeta - It’s amazing how many HRC supporters truly believe that she ended her campaign rather than jsut suspend it. I had to correct a supporter yesterday. He was stunned.]]
Very few, besides us know the truth. That’s because Hillary herself only used that term once on June 3rd at her South Dakota victory speech; while media and everyone else, including the DNC have claimed BHO to be the party’s nominee a 100,000 times over.
And you do know, that all it takes to hypnotize someone or give them an exteral suggestion is to repeat something 50 times in the course of one day, and you would have effectively brainwashed them via a hypnotic suggestion.
Dances – Also, I cannot for the life of me “get” where you conclude that if PUMAs wear anything to identify themselves, they will be attacked by the police.
I agree, the day we are told we can no longer wear a Hillary or PUMA shirt, hat or even underwear is the day we become part of a dictatorship and need to revolt with every breath we have. They can tear off my Hillary and PUMA clothes and I will scream to the tv cameras in the nude if I have to. Bond money, Check!
I have painted Hillary and PUMA on many of my clothes and it’s not as if I am going to take a NObama flag and roll it up into a turban on my head……….
Christina Cedeno says, “Say ‘yestodemocracy’ by shutting up and falling in line.”
She’s an insignificant child with way too narrow a focus to serve as a real opponent for us (believe me, I’ve tried to help her with that, explaining that ad hominem, straw-man, and cherry-picking logical fallacies against a single group are hardly effective arguments that will sustain her ‘movement’ in any meaningful way), but she does remind us that our goal is to create real political enemies.
The attacks are proof positive that we are making an impact!
Be very careful of anything that has to do with ‘Police” in Denver. Don’t ever forget the Chicago Convention or Kent State. The have, and they will, “Shoot to kill.”
Now that I think of it, I had the same problem a few nights ago. At that time, goandersen told me that it is nothing to worry about, that I should wait a few hours, and that it will start working again. She was right!
Many PUMAs have mentioned to me in private that the blog sometimes attacks their know members if their views differ, or sometimes the negativity is overwhelming and we are loosing bloggers here.
This is a place to find support with one another and fight for Hillary. Please be kind to each other, we need all PUMAs not just the ones that agree with you.
Pelosi’s American Voices e-mail has never worked for me. If you’re still having trouble, here are two fax options for her if you need to switch to Plan B:
120…..well let’s BLAST the media again…thats all i know to do. I have sent this many times…im sure others have done the same…but I did notice some changing the their words from Nominee to presumetive”"”"”"
FOUR THINGS TO KNOW ABOUT DENVER
1. Senator Clinton has only suspended her campaign. She has not conceded and never offered a statement of concession which is traditional when someone is no longer a candidate. She did not officially end her candidacy which she could have chosen to do. She is still technically a candidate.
2. Senator Clinton has not released her delegates. Releasing or asking her delegates to support Senator Obama is also something she could have done. She has not. All of Senator Clinton’s delegates won during the primary season are still committed to her and can cast their votes for her at the convention as long as her name is on the ballot.
3. Super delegates public declarations do not count. They can change their minds ( as some did during the primary). They are not committed to any of their public declarations. Nothing counts until they cast their votes in Denver on August 27th.
4.Superdelegates cast their votes in a secret ballot. Unless they themselve choose to reveal who they vote for, no one can know.
Thank you for the conversation we had the other night about the Wisconsin superdelegate. It really helped me in writing the letter to Wineke and the Democratic Party of Wisconsin. Have you seen it? Did you notice your influence in it?
NOTE:
I changed the 1st sentence of the 5th paragraph to:
But I must ask you, why do you have a problem with it?
Does that sound ok, or should I put it back to:
But I must ask you, “Why do you have a problem with that?”
The letter that I sent this morning to Don Fowler, Alice Germond, Dean and Pelosi, cc’ing to six members of the media, that I mentioned in #91, I sent to all the addresses, including both Pelosi addresses, and the AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov worked for me (as it usually does).
Prowland – Thanks for the link. Great idea. Bypassing Pelosi’s congressional office where you have to live in her district and communicating with her as the speaker of the house is a great idea. I got it book marked now thanks to you!
Reposting from downstairs simply because fearmongering is not a good thing:
Anonymous
Yesterday, I pasted a brief from the City of Denver website that explained the security system they will have in place. Here it is again, there is no reason for anyone to get all freaked out,
Be very careful of anything that has to do with ‘Police” in Denver. Don’t ever forget the Chicago Convention or Kent State. The have, and they will, “Shoot to kill.”
Don’t over-react MountainSong…some of us were just college kids in those days and now we are adults with a lot more life experience. Peaceful protest at a convention will not get people killed. Also, Kent State did not have the worlds TV cameras on it like the convention will. How big is the jail in Denver? How afraid should people be to not support their candidate? I would gladly come home with a broken arm if the tv cameras show that a single mom was attacked for peacefully protesting for the first woman to run as President. Now if Hillary wins the nomination, I will party big time, then will get the heck out of Dodge because I fear another riot will begin with *61 supporters that thought their savior had been ripped off.
I agree with you but it still surprised me that he said this on the news. If he wants to continue his senate position in the future I think he probably blew his chances. His remarks had to have upset his republican supporters. IMO
[[ ok
jews obviously do not celebrate xmas
but do celebrate birthday, etc
buy gifts 4 others…….]]
I know a lot of Jewish people who actually do partake in their own way. The purchase and will decorate a tree with Jewish symbols. And they also buy their children Hannakah gifts. They know that a christmas tree is not a Christian symbol but a commercial one, and rather than to have their children feel left out of the holiday shopping frenzy, they have found a way to incorporate it into their own religious tradition.
I just think Mr and Mrs O are cheap. I mean, what child in America does not have a dog or cat as a pet, especially when mom thinks $600 isn’t even enough to buy a pair of earrings. ~smile
Pumas – another bit of info I found – Fox News is looking for stories on voter fraud – they are doing an investigation……………………………don’t we have lots of info on voter fraud – isn’t Murphy’s friend Brad doing a doc on it? info out now would have more impact on the election and/or convention coming up…………
I admire those with an ability to express themselves articulately, and Christina falls into that category. The problem I have is with people who use that ability in the service of manipulation and propaganda. This is another category in which Christina falls (literally as well as figuratively). This type of person reminds me of the BushCheneyRumsfeldPowellWolfowitzRove ilk, and their machinations and manipulative lying ramping up to war.
I visted her site twice. The first time she was ranting about Murphy’s contribution and vote in the primary for McCain. Where she is intellectually dishonest and manipulative, is when she fails to recognize, or just consciously omits, placing that strategy in context.
Many, many Democrats were voting for McCain in the primary as a strategy to stop GW Bush from becoming the Republican nominee. Christina was only, what, 15 or so, at that time and may not have paid much attention, but, even that isn’t an excuse now, given Internet and other resources available to us. She also fails to report the rest of Murphy’s political contributions and voter history. Convenient, that.
I went back a second time, only to read her ‘joke of the day’, this was where she mocked and attempted to humiliate Murphy by ridiculing Murphy for being “ignorant”. To do this, she used one of Murphy’s statements that Axelrod should be arrested for violating Leibniz’s Law! Christina, once again, took Murphy’s statement out of context, and obviously, the humor of Murphy’s statement was completely lost on Christina, as she went on to explain to her readers (?)that you cannot violate or be arrested for breaking a scientific law!! (Pssst, Leibniz’s Law is not a scientific law, it is a philosophical / metaphysical principle.)
Christina’s “joke of the day” backfired on her, because as it turned out, Christina was the punchline.
It worries me, for the sake of children, that Christina is a teacher, kindergarden or 1st grade? Not sure. Not worth a return visit to find out either. I learned all I needed to know about the person behind that site in my two visits. No need to return. Nothing to be learned there.
#145 SUSIE – Thanks for the link to that article. Just read it. Wow. The writer is kind of all over the place. She seems to be making a case against Obama, minimizing this grassroots movement, criticizing everything anyone in any of these grassroots orgs is doing, not getting her facts straight by stating things she/he feels we should be doing that we are indeed doing, and going round and round and ending up no where. I don’t quite get it. I’d like to write to him/her and invite them to take action since 1) they appear to be as dismayed about an Obama presidency as any of us, and 2) they seem to have a lot of strategic ideas that they might want to put into action.
SUBJECT: DELETED EMAILS FROM DELEGATES AND PARTY OFFICIALS
If you have deleted your responses from the delegates or party officials, you can still retrieve them and send them to MarylandPuma.
With a gmail account go to your “trash” file and you should see all your deleted emails.
If you have a hotmail account, go to your “deleted” file, and they should be there.
The “trash” and “delete” files function as a storage unit until it is automatically deleted by gmail in 30 days or by you, if you have a hotmail account.
#111, #129 Knoxville – I been away from the computer for awhile. I read your letter a couple of times over and I prefer the change that you made, “but I must ask you”. It kind of helps to get the reader to focus again ….hopefully, that is!
[[ Pumas - another bit of info I found - Fox News is looking for stories on voter fraud - they are doing an investigation…… don’t we have lots of info on voter fraud - isn’t Murphy’s friend Brad doing a doc on it? info out now would have more impact on the election and/or convention coming up…………]]
That info’s been out there for weeks. And I might have posted on it…
In the past, Senator Hagel has taken positions that are in opposition to Republican beliefs. Nothing surprises me anymore about our elected officials that work for us.
As Pumas, we represent the true ideals of a Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and so on. We care enough about our country to fight a corrupt nominee and party.
#148 Anna – my take was that the writer thinks this is the 1960′s all over again -(I’m too old to replay those years) – however, a couple of her statements did catch my eye – I do think we need to be more forceful – I agree that the Denver Group should be a bit more “in your face” – even Dean is putting us down –
of course when someone disses our group, our efforts, our nominee – it pisses me off and I get angry – but I think it would be better revenge to get even –
16 storytellers re:#14
THAT IS VERY SERIOUS¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡ that actually means
that he is aginst, our culture.our institutions
our way of living, I think moslems do that….
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Many American Christians do not celebrate Christmas by engaging in the commercial aspect of gift exchanges. Does this mean they too, are ‘Moslem’, or are against “our” culture, “our” institutions, “our” way of living?
LORELAI – I don’t know if you’re around today, but I thought your letter and your strategy posted somewhere recently about targeting local officials/SD’s or others where you can claim some kind of personal connection was terrific. It takes just a few minutes of extra time to do that, but one would hope that at least with some recipients that personal touch helps get your foot in the door so, at the very least, the letter actually gets read. I especially like the idea of targeting local officials, which I’ve also been doing for some time since I think politician’s ears prick up when they think votes and/or dollars won’t be coming their way! Your post also got me thinking about expanding this though I may be stretching it a bit – got to thinking about, “Dear Sir: A third cousin in my dysfunctional family once dated a girl who went to elementary school in a district where I believe one of your college buddies was a city councilman about 20 years ago. I’m writing to you know….” I better tighten up the connections! But, in all seriousness, the idea is great (creates a connection a bit of intimacy) and I’m going to focus on that for some of my actions today.
That is for sure. I plan on putting country before party come November and have done so before in the past. I guess I was surprised about Senator Hagel because normally on these talk shows they show both sides of the story, but on this one both the democrat and the republican defended Obama. It made me sick. Even though Obama couldn’t use the injured troops as part of his campaign he could have visited them without the media on his own. I know that both Hillary and McCain would have. Their excuse was that they visited troops in the Middle East (yeah with media coverage). Otherwise he should have only went to the Middle East as a Senator without all the publicity, and should not have went to Europe to campaign. Just because he made a speech and got pictures taken with heads of state does not mean he is qualified to be Commander in Chief.
[[ A PERSONAL OPINION and a FACT are two different things. I do not wish to have a personal debate with any of our members but I do insist that we try to establish opinion from fact for all the People reading our blog.]]
For the most part, anything and everything I read on any blog I consider opinions; and that would include mainstream media blogs—and yes, even the lead-in stories by news anchors or news commentators.
For something to be called fact, or a truth, it would have to be well researched as to leave no doubts. But unfortunately, in this election cycle, more than ever before we can’t even trust mainstread media.
#128 & #140 Yes, Hillary has suspended her campaign; however, after reading the City Edition article, I tend to agree that we may all be beating a dead horse. The party leaders do not care if he is unqualified and will back him no matter what. I just wish Hillary had not suspended her campaign. She should have immediately taken it to the DNC Rules Committe and forced them to abide by Party rules. When Ickes said she had the right to take it to the Rules Committee, should should have. We are stuck with an empty suit while the real candidate has suspended her campaign and can’t do anything to help us. I don’t think for one minute that the Party will put her in nomination for fear of race riots. Sharpton promised it. The article is correct on one thing, there should be protests every day outside the DNC headquarters in Chicago and also in Washington until someone listens. Believe me, if this had happened to BO, the AA’s and the rest of his crazy followers would be doing exactly that. They would be rioting and marching just like the illegal Mexicans demanding citizenship. How can we get her in nomination if she says she supports him? Whenever I call the supers, that is exactly what they tell me. Even Stephanie Tubb Jones, a loyal Hillary supporter, is now endorsing BO. As I have posted many times before, unless he self-implodes, the Party will stick with him. They refuse to admit they made a mistake. I’m absolutely disgusted that I will have to vote for McCain to keep this idiot out of office.
I just ordered Andy Martin’s book, it’s out just in time but will it help? The Party leaders know everything Martin says is a fact but they don’t care. Sorry, but I really am down about this.
163 cosmeta [But unfortunately, in this election cycle, more than ever before we can’t even trust mainstread media.]
Agree.
I’ve been reading the articles at cityedition this morning. They are indepth and excellent. She’s already done much of the research on topics of concern especially the media. Take a look at this call to action. I vote for getting behind it.
Does anybody remember what post or around about what time we were asking Donna B if she had quit yet ?? Help please if anybody knows or remembers???????
That is exactly what I think too. I don’t think the DNC will ever admit they were wrong and that Hillary’s only chance is if Obama self-implodes. That is the only reason I listen to everything he says to try and catch him in something that will be damaging. Unfortunately every time he gaffes his supporters forgive him. Hopefully at least one of those books will come out before the convention and do real damage.
The con-man Obama is just as bad as those crooked “Elmer Gantry” types that exploit Jesus Christ and Christianity for selfish personal gain..
In my opinion Obama is in order of indoctrination:
*an atheist(marxist theory is atheistic – that God and religion are nothing more than “the opiate of the masses)
*moslem..they got him when he was young and that is the age where indoctrination is deeply imprinted on the mind..
* Christian in name only..for an slick opportunist being a Christian is a spring board for political careerism in the USA
—following the news lately I have noticed a gradual MSM “slow creep” to spin McCain as being “too old” ..”a grumpy old man”
….here they go again!!!!!
..they used “sexism” discrimination to tear down Hillary..
…now they try to pull the same thing this time using “ageism” discrimination to tear down McCain..
I’ve been where you are. We can’t give up or pre-determind the results. We can only take massive action one day at a time and let the chips fall.
We absolutely should have ongoing protests at the DNC headquarters. Would that I could relocate to either city because I would take a shift to protest everyday.
Honestly, I believe the anti-Obama forces are about to hit critical mass. When that happens..anything can happen.
I hope he does select a woman for his running mate and I also hope that he still loses. At least that would prove that we did not vote for Hillary just because she was a woman.
Here’s another point that has always irked me about this years Primary Season.
Normally, the democratic party’s nominee takes control over the DNC and sets the agenda and Party Platform going foward.
So that, by Howard Dean pushing the superdelegates to ENDORSE early, so as to make BHO the presumptive nominee… Well, now, what can I say, BHO has already taken control over the DNC when he should not because he is not the *official* nominee yet. And by Howard Dean making him the nominee sets things against Hillary… So put that one down in your mental notebooks too as a talking point.
How they got around their own ruling is beyond me.
What would be the process in getting a petition started to have Hillary’s name in nomination at the convention. Seems to me it would be worth it to see what kind of activity that would bring. If very large numbers of people signed such a petition, it would provide black and white, hard copy evidence of the will of the people. I fear waiting for the convention and having nothing but the hope that her name will be allowed to be put in nomination.
Am I the only one who is outraged by the Donna Brazile/Karl Rove Connection article linked above? The article appears to be well-researched, with quotes, etc. This article needs to be posted for all Democrats to see and digest! I think we all have our negative feelings about Brazile/Dean about what transpired during the primary and since. It’s the BEFORE that makes me crazy! The machinations and maneuvering of Donna Brazile and Howard Dean must be publicized — we need to send the links to MSM and newspapers.
Hillary CAN win according to Ray, the delegate for HIllary, who Murphy was interviewing last night. He said all of our work IS being recognized. It won’t be easy but please, believe she will win!! Just keep doing what we are doing even at the convention.
Missy – Here’s a link (at the DNC website, but ignore their bs) that enables anyone to type in their zip code at which point local and regional papers (along with the big national editions) will pop up and you can type in one letter and send it out to all of them. I use it all the time.
Voters living in Massachusetts recently elected its first black governor, Deval Patrick, whose previous ‘experience’ was employment as a civil rights attorney. So we can predict the dire fallout awaiting the election of BO, another prototypical Axelrod protege, to the office of POTUS. (Both men hooked up with Axelrod while living in Chicago.) The teacher of my son’s 9th grade social studies class asked students what is the first thing they think of when they hear the term, politician. My son, who is black, had followed the election. He replied, “Cadillacs.” The teacher, knowing my son is bright (and autistic), sought out his meaning. ‘Well, the first thing Governor Patrick did after he won the election was to buy a cadillac.’ http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/us/politics/27patrick.html
Of course, this was before he tried to buy a jet. http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2008/06/14/the-massachusetts-governor-is-shopping-for-a-private-jet/
re#181 kpw..
a petition campaign to get Hillary placed in nomination would be a good idea.the process begins when individuals get out there circulating and getting signatures on the petitions..
I was out with a friend who happens to be a GenXer and we were talking about Obama’s trip. (She is a former Hillary supporter turned Obama, ugh) I mentioned the Logan Act and how Obama violated it. Her reply was, “everyone does it”. I think the country is going to be in trouble if this gets to be the normal way of thinking about things.
I haven’t given up hope for Hillary but I don’t think we will ever get any help from the DNC. We need to show that Obama is not electable and hopefully find a way that will make him either withdrawl from the contest or the superdelegates have to stand strong and vote him out. They need to stop worrying about Sharpton’s threat. If there are riots then we will deal with it just like we have in the past. They could riot even if he wins anyway just because he doesn’t win in a landslide. Sharpton likes being in the spotlight and I think he just looks for reasons to cause chaos.
I will focus on Hillary until the convention and then if she doesn’t emerge as the nominee then I will focus on a McCain win and an Obama loss. I will also focus on changing the new democratic party and if that isn’t successful then I will fight for a new party to represent the majority of Americans.
#159
Dances WithPumas
to begin with, I did not read the article,forgive me for giving opinios with insufficent grounds
I am just commenting on what was said
I am saying the act of no buying gifts for any event, no celebrating birthdays, if you are christian no celebrating xmas, >that is culture,traditions, economy, etc, we might like or not
I think I recall I said “I think moslems do that” in ref to no celebrating birthdays and buying gifts (as traditon)
if you are potentially running for the presidency of a country at least you should stand for what the country stands for traditionally
as a private individual, you could do whatever you wish, is licit, that does not make you a lesser american
in many instances , I did not want to celebrate xmas, I JUST WANTED TO GET LOST,
I am an atheist, therefore the essence of the religious part to me is not important, but nowadays I give very much importance to our culture and our institutions, because around the corner sort of say are others to tear it apart>>>and they are masked,& you do not notice
if the dnc doesnt elect hillary at the convention and all the writein states write hillary in as the majority is there a way she could still win with these write in states?
Barack Obama said he’ll give his vice president substantive work and will choose his running mate based on ability to govern, not to help win a state in November.
and i mean if she has the clear majority in the write in states and all the other states are a dead tie between mccain and obama she could technically win right or am I getting it wrong
People magazine article: I bought the People magazine because I figure the more I can find out about *61 the more ways there are to find flips, contradictions, etc. The birthday and Christmas reference is in a “box” sub-article titled “Obama House Rules.” #6 in the rules is, “No birthday or Christmas presents from Mom and Dad, who spend “hundreds” on birthday slumber parties and, as Barack puts it, ‘want to teach some limits.’ Says Michelle: “Malia says, ‘I know there is a Santa because there’s no way you’d buy me all that stuff.’”
No sh#*t sherlock someone to tell him what to do and how to run the office I mean give us a F**king break. Now bambam tell the voters something we don’t know!
re#194 CD..
if the ballot allows write-ins a vote for Hillary would be cool..
any vote that is NOT OBAMA would be good..
Hillary is a Democrat and I don’t know how that would work out on the ballot..
the Democratic party machine and apparatus will have tremendous resources at their disposal and you can bet they will try like hell to squash a Hillary write-in campaign if it were to take votes away from Obama
[[ re#176 cosmeta..
the outrages never seem to stop..]]
There are many!
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#178 cjv on 07.27.08 at 2:18 pm, WROTE,
[[ Cosmeta, when you think about, unless it works in their favor, what rules have they followed otherwise?]]
Well, like they always say: rules are meant to be broken. Then again, our entire Constitution has numerous amendments. And they are called, BILLS, and bills can be rewritten, revised, updated and so on.
shasta2001 – yeah, i think that’s a very typical kind of thinking pattern now. i have a very liberal neighbor and friend who hates bush, etc. but then, when i talked to her about obama’s fisa vote, she had a whole rationalization worked out, saying how these are scarey times, we’re in a war, we need to be able to track down terrorists, etc. however, she NEVER would have made such arguments on bush’s behalf for the same issue. her brain now adapts to anything and everything obama does so as to find a way to make it ok, even crossing very deeply established long-held political values and boundaries (or saw i thought they were). but, maybe that’s human nature – we develop a point of view and when something threatens it or potentially calls it into question, we’re just not hard wired to readily give up the perspective and instead we find a way to manipulate the new information so it fits into our established thinking. that said, it does seem that obama supporters are particularly entrenched. (but then, to be fair, so am i – none of them could no more convince me to switch from Clinton than I seem to be able to convince them to switch from obama – stalemate!)
its hilarious because he is so LACKING in everything ..so , in essence, he wants a “Hillary-type” to be the VP because obama knows he DOES NOT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE TO BE POTUS!!!!!
That would be really risky. We already know that a large percentage of Hillary voters have went to Obama so there is no way of telling how many of us there are fighting against him. Since half of the voters are republicans then the best way to beat him is to vote for McCain to increase his votes.
Sunshinelver! “I’m not interested in a vice president who I just send off to go to funerals,” he continued. “I want somebody who’s going to be able to roll up their sleeves and really do some work.”
Now doesn’t that just send ‘tingles up your leg?
Anyone, raise hands! Any tingles?
“This week with George Stephanopoulos”-I watched this show today. It was not the typical fawning over *61. It was all about *61. One guy was great; I didn’t catch his last name but his first name was George also. One of the panel was asking if *61′s blunder of not visiting the military hospital was going to hurt him. The other guy named George said no because nothing hurts *61. He then proceded to recite all the blunders *61 has made and then commented that nobody seems to notice. Cokie Roberts looked pained as George went through his list. Of course, Cokie had been gushing about what a success the world tour had been, just moments before the list of blunders started.
just more proof to me that David & company should be tried for treason for shoving this inexperienced lackey off on us! TEhy kenw and know he is sorely lacking in EVERY AREA! MY god! If traveling to foriegn countries gives one foriegn policy experience, the I had more than obama before he took this trip!
Write ins would not get enough electoral votes to win,therefore I will not take a chance on circus boy winning if Hillary is not the nom I will vote for Mccain.
David Plouffe & David Axlerod need to be taken out to the out-house and given a good thrashing! Or behind the barn! Either would do. To foist this JUNIOR senator off as a candidate is the height of egotism for them , too! Probably was a game to them to see how many ignorant politicains they could rope in!
Some of the things that are coming out of his mouth lately are unreal you would think ,at least, he would wait until he has the Real nomination . Do you think his speech writer has resigned? Maybe he thinks because he is the ‘presumptive’ nominee the voters will believe anything simply because they did during the primary. what about our leaders that have fallen for all this I used to believe they were wise people.Just keep on blubbering Nobama
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Ponts noted. Thanks for the clarification.
Personally, I think all vestiges of religion should be removed from our government…
including White House Christmases and Easter. If any holidays are past of a President’s religion, great, celebrate them privately in the family quarters.
This list was frozen as of June but you can see all the supers that switched from Clinton to BO. The NY and CA switches are very troubling. Does she have any delegates left? I mean those are a lot of switches. i wonder how many actual delegates she has as of today.
She was elected to the Senate in 2004 just like Obama so she is a newbie with no experience. Also she barely won her election, in fact, it took several days to recount the vote and name her the winner so it was a squeaker. And like BO she’s spent all her time campaigning for him, so I don’t think she has accomplished ANYTHING in the Senate.
i’m with you, dances. i think religion should remain a deeply personal, family affair and should not leak into secular society. but, i’m out there on the fringes with regard to this matter, no doubt. i take it one step further than religion and am one of those who feels the word “god” should be removed from the pledge of allegiance (in fact, i think the pledge itself is a bit of a wierd ritual for school children to do every day.)
Barack Obama’s brief visit to London coincided with the opening of the new Batman film in British cinemas. How fitting.
On his journey through Europe last week the US presidential contender garnered adulation fit for a superhero. As a series of polls has shown, if the British public could vote on the American race, Obama would crush his rival John McCain by a margin of four or five to one.
Even 28 Tory MPs are backing him amidst an outbreak of Westminster Obamamania, despite his left-wing voting record, which made him the most liberal senator of 2007.
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The British and European euphoria surrounding Obama’s trip is easy to understand. He is widely perceived as a charismatic, JFK-like figure, offering a seductive vision of a softer, sensitive America, while pledging to transform the negative image of the most powerful nation on earth.
But let’s consider the British national interest. When you push the spin and hype aside, there is scant evidence to suggest that an Obama presidency would actually strengthen the Anglo-American alliance, which has long been the engine of the free world. In fact, there is a risk it would be significantly weakened.
The special relationship was forged in the dark days of World War Two through the partnership between Winston Churchill and Franklin D Roosevelt, and has been a dominant feature of US and British foreign policy ever since. It is embodied in the close-knit military and intelligence ties between the two nations, as well as the huge volume of mutual trade and investment.
The alliance reached its zenith in the 1980s with the leadership of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, a powerful partnership that successfully faced down the Soviet empire. After a period of decline it was successfully revived by George W Bush and Tony Blair in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
The Republican political elites in Washington still see the special relationship as critically important, a view shared by Senator McCain. In contrast, the Democrats have shown little affection for Britain in recent years, partly because of their love affair with continental Europe, but also due to Blair’s unstinting support for Bush over the war in Iraq.
After meeting with Gordon Brown yesterday, Senator Obama briefly acknowledged the special relationship, but only after prompting by journalists. He has yet to show much affinity with Britain; we should be wary of taking yesterday’s remarks at face value. In fact, his key foreign policy speeches have not mentioned Britain at all.
An Obama presidency could well usher in a seismic shift in the transatlantic alliance, with the centre of gravity of US policy in Europe moving away from London towards Berlin and Paris. His controversial decision to make Germany and France the centrepiece of his European tour, with Britain tacked on almost as an afterthought, is a clear sign of the importance placed by the Obama camp on enhanced relations with the continent.
The Democrats are traditionally strong supporters of a united, federal Europe, and have little sympathy for British objections to the further centralisation of political, military and economic power in Brussels. If David Cameron becomes prime minister at the head of a Eurosceptic administration, Downing Street and an Obama White House would be worlds apart.
And it won’t only be Obama’s European policy that will grate in London. Closely aligning himself with powerful labour unions, Obama has pronounced protectionist tendencies. He has opposed the North American Free Trade Agreement as well as a host of free trade treaties from Colombia to South Korea.
If the Left wins control of the White House in November’s election, many fear a new era of American protectionism will emerge. This could have a real and tangible impact in the UK – in shielding domestic US workers from foreign competition, including in the sensitive area of defence contracts, the Democrats would put thousands of British jobs at stake. This will draw the White House into conflict with the pro-free trade UK.
In his support for protectionist measures against the effects of globalisation, Obama will find common ground with several European leaders, including the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, and it will consequently become harder for Britain to break down Europe’s own protectionist follies such as the Common Agricultural Policy.
Britain’s chattering classes should be careful what they wish for. Senator Obama promises change and a bold new course for the United States. The end result may be an America that looks away from Britain and erects higher barriers to trade and investment.
The special relationship has lasted over 60 years as the most powerful and successful partnership of modern times. Unfortunately it might not survive the next presidential election.
# Nile Gardiner is director of the Margaret Thatcher Centre for Freedom at the Heritage Foundation in Washington, DC
I luv Christmas Trees at the WhiteHouse!
as a kid and even now I like seeing the Christmas trees all lit up so colorfully at the White House..it’s a long time American historical and cultural tradition.
a charming show of Americana..
Religion or lack of actually tells a lot about a person. In Obama’s case his being in attendance with a church that does not look at all races and genders as equal tells a lot about him. I can only speak for myself when I say that I want a president to represent me and ALL Americans. I don’t know how he can do that if he doesn’t think we are all equal. Just my opinion.
[[ MY god! If traveling to foriegn countries gives one foriegn policy experience, the I had more than obama before he took this trip!]]
That was the talking point BHO used against Hillary in the Primaries, saying that her visits to other countries as First Lady did not count.
So I think the stronger talking point is that HE CHOSE TO CAMPAGIN OVERSEES and as a way and means to get a photo op. It was all politically motivated!
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“The Global Poverty Act of 2007 (S.2433) is coming up for a Senate vote… according the office of Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison. Once Harry Reid and the Democrat leadership put it on the calendar, we could have as little as a week to prepare for the vote.” – Lee Cary, The American Thinker
If Cary is right, Senator Barack Hussein Obama’s only major legislative accomplishment as a United States Senator — which according to some conservative leaders is potentially an $845 billion United Nations give away of your hard-earned tax dollars — could be coming up for a stealth vote any day now!
Is it really possible that our federal legislators are planning to pass Barack Hussein Obama’s Global Poverty Act while they think we aren’t looking?
Here’s what conservative activist Phyllis Schlafly said:
“Rumors have been circulating around Capitol Hill that a few activist groups have renewed their surge and have begun lobbying full force for a bill introduced by presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL). The bill has already passed out of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee without any public hearings, and it also passed the House earlier this year. It is important to note that both of these votes were ‘voice votes,’ which was a deliberate strategy of the congressional majority so that no record would be kept of those who voted in favor of this problematic bill.”
Cliff Kincaid of Accuracy in Media recently issued the following report:
“While Senator Barack Obama struggles to keep the public in the dark about the nature of his pro-U.N. Global Poverty Act, a recent ‘Bay Area Interfaith Leaders’ Luncheon’ was held to lobby for Senate passage of the bill, whose cost has been estimated at $845 billion…”
“Meanwhile, a concerned parent alerted us to the fact that a Christian preschool in Long Island, New York was handing out a coloring page for children which included a plea for Congress to pass Obama’s Global Poverty Act. ‘Dear Parents,’ said the letter that was sent home. ‘We would like to join efforts with the congregation of St. David’s to stop world hunger. You and your child can help by coloring and signing the enclosed sheet. This sheet will be sent along with many others to our representatives in Washington….
“The [enclosed] sheet said ‘Dear Senator: At Preschool, I learned to thank God for the food I eat. I also collect coins to help those who don’t have enough. Today, I ask you to help, too, with more and better aid for the world’s poorest countries. We want Congress to pass the Global Poverty Act. Please cosponsor S. 2433. Thank you.’ The child’s name and age were supposed to be filled in.
“The pictures to be colored included what appeared to be an angel holding a bowl of food (with a Valentine heart on the robe and the bowl) and a basket with apples.”
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And just how much is $845 billion?
Vincent Gioia, writing in Right Side News, translates this incomprehensible figure into language every American can understand:
“This amounts to a tax of over $2,000 on each man, woman and child in the United States. The foreign aid budget now stands at $300 billion; the Act would add the additional expenditure to the already huge amount allocated to assist the world.”
Where do you suppose they’ll get the $845 billion?
Professor Jeffrey D. Sachs of Columbia University — Director of the UN Millennium Project and Special Advisor to United Nations — knows EXACTLY WHERE — “through a global tax preferably on carbon-emitting fossil fuels.”
He doesn’t mean a tax on gasoline, does he?
OH YES HE DOES!
He doesn’t mean a GLOBAL TAX, does he?
OH YES HE DOES!
In a 2005 report to Kofi Annan, the Secretary General’s old friend Sachs criticized the United States for giving only a mere $16.3 billion a year to alleviate global poverty .
Specifically Sachs advocated a GLOBAL TAX:
“We will need, in the end, to put real resources in support of our hopes. A global tax on carbon-emitting fossil fuels might be the way to begin.”
In other words, you get to pay even more to fill up your tank so some leader of a third-world country can build two or three more palaces while his people are starve to death — all in the name of fighting global poverty!
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Didn’t our elected officials learn ANYTHING from the Oil-for-Food scandal?
Do we need to recite the details to them every time they so much as THINK about giving the U.N. funds to alleviate hunger and eradicate disease?
As David Asman of Fox News summarized it:
“It began as a United Nations humanitarian aid program called ‘Oil-for-Food,’ but it ended up with Saddam Hussein pocketing billions to become the biggest graft generating machine ever and enriching some of America’s most forceful opponents at the United Nations.”
Rep. Christopher Shays (R-Conn) — then chairman of the House Subcommittee on National Security, Emerging Threats, and International Relations — shook his head and said:
“I believe the U.N., parts of it, have been corrupt for years. But this went to a whole new level.”
The scandal was so widespread that even Kojo Annan — son of former United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan — got caught with his hand in the biggest cookie jar the world has ever seen!
In the wake of this mega-scandal, a Fox News Poll found that 54 percent of the U.S. public believed the United Nations did not reflect the values of average Americans, while only 29 percent said that United Nations’ policies reflected our values.
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But wait a minute, folks! The Global Poverty Act is part of a much larger United Nations scheme.
The United Nations’ Millennium Development Goal — proclaimed in 2000 — contains plans for the additional plundering of your bank account.
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a “tax on the rental value of land and natural resources;” (Will they make us pay taxes on the oil the Democrats won’t let us harvest?)
and “fees for the commercial use of the oceans, fees for airplane use of the skies, fees for the use of the electromagnetic spectrum… and a tax on the carbon content of fuels.”
In other words, the skies and the oceans no longer belong to everyone. They belong to the third-world countries who run the United Nations. Soon enough they’ll be taxing us on our use of sunlight.
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I like the Christmas trees at the whitehouse too but don’t think that professional designers should be paid millions to decorate them. I think that the whitehouse staff or volunteers should do the decorating and that they could recycle some of the decorations and reuse them more than just one year. In my opinion there is too much unnecessary spending there and in a lot of areas in government. Just my opinion.
is it just me or is this the definition of arrogance??
Posted by Go Obama on July 27, 2008 6:23 PM
Does anybody here really believe that the people who run America depend in any way on this soppy, maudlin and at best outdated “special relationship” horsehockey?
The WW II generation in the US is mostly dead or completely removed from influence: hence the American bailout and rescue of the UK from German hands has been for the most part forgotten.
And nobody remembers anything about the UK helping America even in recent conflicts as the headcount and money committed by the UK is miniscule compared to that of the US.
Stop the silliness: America cares about Russia, China and the Middle East with the rest being secondary, and Italy, the UK, Greece, Ireland, New Zealand and other less influential non-military powers falling off in the rounding of political and military purpose… but still being wonderful places for a holiday.
hello all….just checking in to let you know as i am getting ready to leave for the day, i have CNN on, and i heard the reporter say…” Obama is already getting drape measurements from the White House” !!! I am not sure if he was joking, but i can’t believe how presumptuous this guy is !!! This guy is a freakin joke !!!
i’m with you, dances. i think religion should remain a deeply personal, family affair and should not leak into secular society. but, i’m out there on the fringes with regard to this matter, no doubt. i take it one step further than religion and am one of those who feels the word “god” should be removed from the pledge of allegiance (in fact, i think the pledge itself is a bit of a wierd ritual for school children to do every day.)
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Completely agree on all points.
Although, I don;t think it is as “fringe-y” position as they’d like us to believe. I think people’s silence on teh matter is somewhat akin to people not speaking out for Hillary due to Obama thuggery (in this case the cry of “christian (faux) persecution”.
Ladyhawke and texassherry- I feel the same way you do, short of BO being struck by lightning, I don’t have much hope for HRC on the ballot- as much as I would love it- I don’t think she would except it. I think it would ruin her political career.
I also think the country desperately needs a new party. I am fully aware that you must play politics to be successful but Axelrod and Pfloufe and Dean and Brazile and the other henchmen are responsible for the division in our party.
My one hope is Obama loses so big that the DNC is so ashamed and then some real change may occur. But without a BIG LOSS, i don’t know if that will occur.
(shich is why I ask everyone to consider voting for McCain, hold your nose if you have to)
#227 bigcatlover- hopefully if he picks someone as inexperienced as him perhaps the MSM will realize this isn’t just a game they are playing and maybe then they can really start focusing on how inexperienced this guy is.
How are we supposed to swallow the fact that he had his middle east 7 day tour to make him an expert on middle east relations???
And a final note- I like to read other people’s opinions and truly believe in free speech but I’d like to see us not speak negatively of Muslims. I have worked with a lot, both as colleagues and as patients. Just like Timothy McVey did not illustrate true Christians, I don’t think we should assume Muslims have any bad intent, simply because of their religion. Atheists too
# 56 jbjd from downstairs, just signed in again… Thanks! You made my day! I’ll be sending my own letter to Waters too.
I made the mistake of tuning the radio to Air American on my drive home from work last night and heard Maxine Waters on the Peter B. Collins show dismissing PUMAs as… old feminists who did the work for equal rights and raising the kids and now the kids have moved out and maybe the husband has left them for a younger woman and they’re alone and they gave their all for Hillary’s campaign and they can’t let go. She thinks we’ll come around though… Not Gonna Happen! She obviously doesn’t have a clue who we are!
The next guest was very harsh regarding BO and the nuclear industry… pointed out in great detail how and why his record was appalling both in Ill. and the US Senate. All the host could say was “interesting, interesting” w/o any follow up.
On another note… I just read something I haven’t seen covered at all… That BO staged free concert w/ normally $100plus ticket acts before both his Portland and Berlin speeches and that is how he drew so many people to the venues… a free concert by a big act in the park on a sunny day.
Hmmm, who do you think will be the warm up act in Denver? Too bad it’s going to be Hillary giving the speach!!!
re#234 TS
your take on Obama’s racism is correct..
keep in mind-most people don’t know or don’t like to consider that Obama and Michelle are exponents and true believers of the ideology of “black nationalism” which advocates that blacks “first” as Michelle writes-receive priority over all other races..
their ideology just as much a racial ideology as Hitlers “Aryan supremacy”
I agree with you 100%. I do not want to see the pledge of alegiance, national anthem or any of our patriotic traditions change. Nobody is forced to say “under God” or to pray but I don’t think that if people want to do it that it should be taken away. Our ancesters faught for our freedom of religions and it should not be changed. Just my opinion but also the opinion of the majority of Americans from what I have heard and seen in all polls.
Wow that article Murphy put up explains a lot. I always thought this entire primary had a certain stench about it but I never could figure out who was the ultimate puppet master. After reading all of that article I have to believe that the Republicans have a sure shot to knock BO out in the General Election. What a bunch of cynical people controlling a bunch of Democrat airheads.
Thank you for your kind words and I say it takes one to know one. We are much the better for having your wisdom, perspective, and guidance here. I hope we can meet sometime.
dances-perhaps you’re right. my former boss used to posit that the most recent thing folks have to be in the closet about is not being religious. i’ll not get into the topic more since it’s not the focus of this blog and i don’t want to upset too many folks (which it seems i often do).
Please send her copies of every response that you have received from Democratic Party leaders (especially Donna Brazile) and from Delegates to the Convention.
re#245 nernina..
I think maxine waters comments on PUMA are cruel and vicious put-downs meant to foment even MORE SEXISM..
maxine waters has been sitting up there comfortably in her congressional seat for many years now..
she better watch out because the California Hispanics are a growing political force and power in California and one day they are going to throw her butt out of office..
Just two things. First the reason you are receiving the message from Speaker Pelosi is probably because her e-mail is full. Wait to resend it tomorrow, by then some of the e-mail should be cleared out.
Second. Many Christians today are beginning not to give gifts for Christmas. The reason for this is that they feel by giving gifts they are stressing Santa Claus, not Christ. The object is that we Celebrate the Birth of Christ by going to church, or giving to the poor, or volunteering for something. Christmas remains about giving but not about getting. Please, I am no Obama lover but, not everything he does is a bad thing.
Hope I didn’t burst any bubbles. Lets be careful when we’re talking about peoples religion.
245 I always wonder when statements are made about “bitter tired old feminists whose husbands left them for younger women” where are all of these young women who supposedly want these old farts coming from? I recently went with my 17 year old daughter to have her senior pictures taken and on the way she was telling me her friend had had a “creepy old guy” for her photographer. Well the “creepy old guy” said hi to my daughter as she walked in, my daughter nudged me and said “see he is the guy I told you about”. The guy couldn’t have been older than 25 and she was creeped out by his attention. Yeah, I actually think these younger women who lust for old men exist only in old mens minds. The few young women who do pay attention to old farts are in lust with their financial assets not their physical assets.
I was totally disgusted with the NY delegates going en masse to Obama and Charlie Rangel is the culprit as he is the one that convinced Hillary to drop out as she didn’t have the support. I took our Puma prowl letter and changed it a little. Just sent it.
BY FAX: (202 225-0816
REP. Charles B. Rangel
Washington D.C. Office
2354 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Office: (202) 225-4365
Dear Super Delegate:
I am writing you today to respectfully URGE you to call on the DNC leadership to allow Senator Clinton to be placed in nomination for president at the Convention in Denver and that you URGE all Sen. Clinton’s delegates to switch back to her. . I believe Senator Clinton is the Democratic Party’s ONLY HOPE to beat John McCain in November and put a Democrat back in the White House. Please do more than simply accepting a symbolic role for Senator Clinton at the Convention. I believe you made a grave error in asking Sen. Clinton to suspend her campaign and support Sen. Obama. You well know the DNC violated its own rules in awarding Sen. Obama Michigan’s uncommitted delegates and also stealing 4 delegates from Sen. Clinton. How can you as a man who took an oath to uphold your office go along with this?
Neither candidate has enough pledged delegate support to secure the nomination. It is up to you to VOTE for the candidate you believe is most likely to beat John McCain in the general election. Polls show Senator Obama is losing support among Democratic voters with his constant change of positions, whether it’s the Iraq war or his vote for FISA. His grand world tour does not make him more qualified to be President, he is still a senator with a very thin resume. I am at a loss to understand why Senator Clinton was pushed out of the race even while she was winning. Polls show Senator Clinton with an advantage over John McCain in the general election. Al Sharpton’s threat that the blacks will riot is downright strong-arming. Conversely, I also have a right to my vote and it will not be Sen. Obama if Sen. Clinton is not the nominee. We cannot trust our country to an unqualified candidate and I will be forced to vote for Sen. McCain.
I ask that you fulfill your appointed role as Super Delegate and demand that you be allowed to VOTE for the best Democratic candidate our Party has seen in a generation. It is not too late to prevent ANOTHER general election loss for our Party. I am counting on you!
Sincerely, XXXXX
Puma PAC Democrat
I question how you can fight for freedom of speech yet curtail people’s comments on religion. Right or wrong they are free to express.
I’m wondering, if Bo does win, how fast he’ll start getting the christmas card photo’s done. He has no conviction to anything, and Christmas will be celebtrated in some form by his family if it means feeding his ego.
Or Anna Nicole Smith LOL I still laugh when I think about how she said she really loved that old fart she was married too but yet she was in court immediately after his funeral fighting for his money.
Anyway I think I have left enough of my opinions on here for awhile and need to get some work done. It’s been fun and educational. See you on the flip side.
I’m posting the draft of a letter for your comments. I’d like to send this letter to people like Lou Dobbs, Sean Hannity, Charles Krauthammer, and Rush Limbaugh, because they have the courage to speak up against Obama. I think they could take this and run with it.
I’m not very knowledgeable about economics, but my gut feeling is that if Obama were President, he would bring economic disaster to America. I’ve presented my arguments to back this up.
Please feel free to comment on the content of this letter and/or to suggest other media personnel I should send it to. (If you can provide email addresses for the media personnel too, that would be a big help.)
Obviously, you can post your comments to the blog. However, don’t hesitate to email them to me also (firebellepuma at gmail.com). I often only scan the blog, so it’s easy to miss things.
Please also feel free to copy any of the content and use it in your own letters. If enough of us raise these issues, we’re more likely to get media consideration.
Thank you.
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Dear Mr. ___ (or Ms. ____):
I’m writing to you because you’re one of the few media personalities with the intelligence and integrity to report the truth about Barack Obama.
If Obama were to become President of the United States, it would be an economic disaster far worse than we’ve experienced under President Bush or any other leader. I’m hoping you have the courage to show this to American voters.
I’ll admit that I haven’t read Obama’s economic plan. And I’m not economically savvy enough to understand everything or to compare the plans put forth by each of the candidates. Nor would I necessarily trust the well-crafted marketing documents posted on their web sites. These “plans” are little more than campaign promises, not a crystal ball into an economic future affected by numerous external factors a President has little control over.
However, as a taxpayer and as a self-employed business owner with perhaps a little more common sense than the average bear, I can readily see Barack Obama’s reckless spending habits and predict what it means to America should he ever become President.
I hope that if I share these thoughts with you, you’ll take the idea and run with it. I don’t have the expertise to do justice to this idea, but you do. And you have the vehicle to communicate it to voters.
My concerns about Obama’s economic plan began when I saw how he would outspend Hillary Clinton by two-, three-, or four-to-one during the primaries, but Hillary consistently got more votes per dollars spent. Although Hillary has often been criticized for her campaign debt, no one can argue that she “did more with less.” Even John McCain, who was almost counted out last summer, came roaring back to win his party’s nomination on a shoestring budget. McCain, too, did more with less.
My own economic health depends on making wise choices that allow me to keep more of my money. I can’t be successful if I’m spending two, three, or four times what someone else would pay for comparable results. Yet that’s what Barack Obama does … and presumably what he would do with taxpayer money should he become President. He’ll spend our money recklessly, as is common with people who suddenly come into unearned wealth, then raise everyone’s taxes to pay for his indiscretions.
Am I judging him too harshly? I don’t think so. The Obama campaign has often made a big deal of how he was able to raise a tremendous amount of money mostly through small donations. To me, that’s code for how he plans to finance programs in the future. If millions of ordinary people are willing to repeatedly make small donations to finance his campaign, it follows that millions more should be willing to keep making small donations (i.e., pay a little more in taxes each month) to implement whatever program he’s currently trying to sell us.
If Obama doesn’t tax us directly, he’ll do so indirectly, such as through a fuel tax hike to pay for new pathways to energy independence. It doesn’t take a crystal ball to see how this snake oil salesman will pander to other lawmakers under his spell to get such things through Congress.
It’s also easy to see that there’s no limit to how much Obama will spend to feed his ego. For example, there was the fake Presidential seal that Obama had to quickly dump after all the negative publicity. More recently, it was the $300,000 he spent to repaint his airplane. And for what? Whom did it benefit? What did that costly modification do for Americans that the original paint job didn’t accomplish just as well?
Obama has spoken of creating a civilian national security force. Why? It seems to me that Obama is merely interested in remaking the world into his own image instead of shoring up and improving programs already in existence. If, for example, we weren’t spending so much money fighting terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan, we could spend it fighting the “terrorism” that exists on the streets where people are afraid to let their children play outside for fear they might be shot by their own neighbors.
Worst of all is this obscenely expensive overseas publicity stunt. If Obama were being a fiscally conservative bipartisan leader, he would have accompanied John McCain on a joint fact-finding mission, splitting the expenses with his opponent. That would have demonstrated a willingness and ability to reach across the aisle for a win-win solution. It would have demonstrated a commitment to restoring our own economy instead of wasting billions in Iraq. Instead, Obama proved that he has worse judgment than even our current President.
And who is paying for this obscenely expensive overseas publicity stunt? We are. I don’t know how much of it is being paid for by campaign donations versus tax dollars. But does it matter? One way or another, it’s all coming out of our pockets. And one way or another, it’s driving up our national debt. Surely we didn’t budget for unforeseen expenses, such as the unparalleled Secret Service protection now needed for this buffoon. What nation is loaning us the money to cover that until we can recoup the loss through higher taxes?
Meanwhile, Obama refuses to do the comparatively low-cost things that would have a greater impact on this campaign. For example, look at how much negative publicity he’s getting because he canceled plans to visit wounded soldiers in Germany. Bad choice.
And then there’s my favorite: Obama’s refusal to do the weekly town hall debates that John McCain keeps asking for. How can I evaluate the candidates side-by-side, answering the same questions, when Obama refuses to debate John McCain? Surely, this relatively low-budget “campaign appearance” is worth doing … and something voters are entitled to.
In fact, Obama’s refusal to debate John McCain tells me far more about Obama than he realizes. It tells me that this man who repeatedly said “I welcome that debate with John McCain” during the primaries is not a man of his word. It tells me that he’s not someone who can or will reach across the aisle to work with Republicans. It tells me that he doesn’t believe in transparency in government. It tells me that he’s uncertain of his own stated policies and that he lacks the conviction to debate them with people who would challenge his judgment. It tells me that Obama is afraid to speak without a teleprompter and the scripted words of his speechwriters. Obama’s refusal to do this simple, expected, and relatively low-cost campaign effort reinforces everything I believe about the man being all flash and no substance.
I wish that I were economically savvy enough to present my argument more effectively. I hope that I’ve presented it effectively enough that you can take it and run with it. These are simple, common sense points that any voter should be able to relate to, regardless of how well they understand the candidates’ economic plans. And they’re points based on evidence that economic advisers really can’t spin to make Obama look good. When voters listen not just to a candidate’s words but also to a candidate’s actions, they get a far more accurate picture of what the candidates believe.
#236 Politically motivated beginning with the oracle on his plane and with our tax dollars to boot. Some media suggested parts of the trip were paid by the campaign. I feel we should have a released full accounting to prove that is true. IMO, as the plane was painted in campaign style, which means he adveritsed on every stop, all of this whirlwind world tour trip should be funded by entirely campaign monies.
re#269 BC…
all of these revelations about Obama are important and give credence to the perception of shared by many Americans that Obama is not telling the American people..HIS TRUE BELIEFS..he is being dishonest and hiding his true intentions for political expediency..he is also not being honest with the American people as to his associations with crooks,terrorists and black racists such as Farrakhan and Wright..
IMHO Obama is a liar,fraud and a phony..
i have CNN on, and i heard the reporter say…” Obama is already getting drape measurements from the White House” !!! I am not sure if he was joking, but i can’t believe how presumptuous this guy is !!! This guy is a freakin joke !!!
So when Hillary is in the Whitehouse we can ship his uglyass curtains to him COD!
So far I haven’t found the date of Hillary’s speech at the Convention, I remember the 24th another blog said the 26th. Hope we have a Bay Area chat with all soon.
re#271 FB..
your letter is good but where I think you would run into some credibility trouble would be this part..”I’ll admit that I haven’t read Obama’s economic plan. And I’m not economically savvy enough to understand everything or to compare the plans put forth by each of the candidates.”
–other wise I think it’s a great letter..
Posted on the WP article on BO’s egotrip:
All Hail the Big “O”
Obama had the American Flag on his plane painted over with the big “O”, loaded it up with his entourage (including Presidential Campaign Staff), and flew off on his egotrip overseas. He paraded around and put on concerts along with his speeches, posing for lots of “historic” photos. And this was followed by polls on what the locals thought about having Obama as the President of the US. Now, he did not visit our sick troops because the Pentagon drew the line on bringing his Presidential Campaign Staff there, but otherwise he had a rock star journey, meeting with all kinds of foreign officials on US Business.
However, Obama has not even been confirmed as the Democratic Party’s Nominee for President. The DNC can still nominate Hillary for the Democratic Presidential Candidate at the August Convention. When Clinton suspended her campaign, Obama got no bump on his polls. The narcissistic presumption of the presumptibe nominee has offended many and he has apparently recieved no significant bump here on his ego trip. So there is alot of talk about the polling overseas.
However, the people overseas were asked if they would like to see Obama as President of the US. After so many years of the Bush Administration, I’m sure most of them would like to see Obama as our President, especially if they do not like us. But would they like him for their President?
Obama needs to fly his Big “O” back over there and become their Messiah. He is not mine.
After reading Ladyhawke’s post #165, I have some questions for all of us who are working so hard to change people’s minds. Do we believe the party leaders feel they made a mistake in selecting BO? Have we asked them? Do we believe the majority of the DNC who are going along with this selection of BO support the process that gave him delegates in Michigan when he wasn’t on the ballot; or took delegates awarded to HRC to give to him? These are the questions I want answered. Because if I am trying to persuade anyone, including a delegate, to change her mind, I want to address the reasoning that caused her to make up her mind in the first place.
For example, Senator Kerry said he supports BO because he is black. Therefore, having lived in the US, he understands oppression (presumably at the hands of whites)and will be able to get along better with moderate Muslims than Muslim extremists. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/kerry-obama-cou.html
So, hypothetically, if I wanted to engage in a dialog with Senator Kerry over his endorsement of BO, I might point out one of the myriad flaws in his reasoning. For example, I would say that, even assuming a major foreign policy goal of the US is to support moderate Muslims against radical Muslims; and that moderate Muslims are oppressed; and the fact that BO is black means he understands oppression and that this understanding translates to aiding the oppressed; then the fact he is white could equally mean he would aid radical Muslim oppressors because he understands power.
As for Representative Tubbs Jones and other black legislators who have previously expressed support for HRC and now appear to have moved to BO… Given the threats made against them and their families for their support, only some of which threats have been publicly recounted, I can only imagine what motivates any of their decisions.
I am too old to be naive but, I believe when push comes to shove, most people will act in the way they feel is in the best interest of our country. I just wish I knew which of his supporters truly believed making BO the POTUS is in the best interest of the country.
[My concerns about Obama’s economic plan began when I saw how he would outspend Hillary Clinton by two-, three-, or four-to-one during the primaries, but Hillary consistently got more votes per dollars spent. Although Hillary has often been criticized for her campaign debt, no one can argue that she “did more with less.” Even John McCain, who was almost counted out last summer, came roaring back to win his party’s nomination on a shoestring budget. McCain, too, did more with less. ]
Also keep in mind Hillary has MORE on hand for the general election than Obama according to the latest figures. Hillary has 23 million and Obama about 12 million. Most people don’t understand this point and the media never mentions it.
The reason Hillary is carrying debt is because she reserved 23 million for the general election early in the primary process. I think she got some bad advise (personally) and they didn’t understand the machine behind Obama.
jbjd – interesting post. i guess you’d have to tailor your letters individually to address the specific motivations of the SD and/or DNC member. this is my perspective: i think your idea is right on. i also think that it’s probably a momumental task to try to find out this kind of into. and, i think for many sd’s, so much of what they say publically is political, so you never really know what is truly in their hearts and minds. even kerry, saying he supports obama because he is black, i think, wow, what an insane reason. in fact, it amazes me that he comes out and says this it’s so stupid. but i’d be really interested if you continue down this path and actually find out different motives for different sd’s as to what you learn and how you craft your letters. more power to you for taking that on!
Interesting point. However, I’m reluctant to use information I can’t confirm. Besides, the letter is already quite long. If I add too much, people won’t read it.
007 girl – i think the drapes thing is more symbolic than anything, just to suggest new folks moving into the house! a lot of what’s in the white house is actually owned by the people; historic furniture, etc. but i would assume new presidents and their spouses also have some space in which to leave their own mark in terms of interior design. i would imagine obama would be interest in a lot of mirrors!
#248 texassherry – under god was added to the pledge of allegiance during eisenhowers presidency – was not in the original & I think it should be removed…my opinion
19 prplvette85 on 07.27.08 at 11:16 am prowland:
Most black churches do not celebrate Christmas or Easter in the commercial way.Because it is a man made holiday. They celebrate the birth of Christ, but do not have xmas trees, gifts etc. They also do not allow halloween etc. Mostly it is the Pentecostal’s that don’t. Not the baptist etc.
Well I am black and baptist and I would love an early Christmas can I have a gift plz.
Obama is a closeted radical Muslim = a fraud and a liar.
I would certainly not want to stop anyone’s right to free speech and I think that a discussion about religion is great. I just don’t think that we should condemn anyone for their beliefs and as a professional church worker, it sometimes bothers me that some of us feel that we need to criticize someones beliefs. Just doesn’t feel right to me. Discussion yes, criticism no.
It may not be appropriate for your letter, but I wanted to highlight this point. When the campaigns disclosed there financials for June those were the numbers for the general election.
It’s important to note that if Hillary did come out of the convention as the nominee she has 23 million to hit the ground running.
..for all of us who are working so hard to change people’s minds. Do we believe the party leaders feel they made a mistake in selecting BO? Have we asked them? …. I believe when push comes to shove, most people will act in the way they feel is in the best interest of our country. I just wish I knew which of his supporters truly believed making BO the POTUS is in the best interest of the country.
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Your intention is most admirable; however, the biggest obstacle for PUMA now is the time factor.
I agree with Anna7000 (in a much earlier post)that we will not be able to change people’s mind before the convention. At this stage of the game, most minds are already made up.
We need to go after the supers, the undecided delegates, the Hillary supporters that #24 cosmeta talked about that are unaware of Hillary’s position etc. to swing the tide.
Obama plans to duck debates run out the clock
Obama making Dean Smith proud on town halls
His answer in the last minutes of “Meet the Press” on whether he’ll do any of the town halls John McCain has proposed seems to make clear
that he intends to run out the clock, Four Corners-style, on the
matter:
Continue: http://countusout. wordpress. com/
Yes, I am well aware of that. Isn’t it great that we have the freedom to express our differences in opinions? That is what I am fighting to keep. Whether they change the words or not I want the freedom to say it the way that I want and will do whatever it takes to keep that right. I hope that is one thing we can all agree on. It is that belief that made America strong and it is what will keep America strong.
30 storytellers
“jews obviously do not celebrate xmas
but do celebrate birthday, etc
buy gifts 4 others…….”
Just to put the record straight… Jews may not celebrate xmas… but we do celebrate Hanukah… the festival of lights in which we remember the victory over a very oppressive group that tried to wipe out Jews. There’s numerous attempts of this long before Hitler.
One of the reason’s I think I saw through the dangers of BO so quickly and why many Jews do not trust BO. We are taught and trained to learn the lessons from the past and to try to recognize them to prevent them for the future (since history DOES repeat itself).
I think we should push hard Obama to promise on record do at least two townhall meetings IF he get the nomination. Not that it would mean anything, but his evasion on this speaks volumes to people who aren’t following this as closely as some of us.
Shutting down. Thanks for the stirring conversation.
BTW… this link was posted last night… and it’s a very interesting read. In fact, when I read this article — I got the impression that BO has spent a lot of time being raised there — besides the OBVIOUS impression of the article that tells us what we already know… that BO’s promises are empty:
And as a side note — BO must be getting a delayed bounce from the trip overseas… it’s been slowly rising. We got our work cut out for us. Hope now that he is back in the states this trend will reverse again:
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Hello Pumas – I am new here today – my first post – lurking in the background – I want Hillary nominated and big changes in the DNC – am I in the right place?? LOL
It is odd about Wikipedi. I read an article about Cindy McCain and they mentioned that she had a hysterectomy because of back pain. I wrote to them to ask what a hysterectomy and back pain have in common. Seems like an extreme solution to remove organs for back pain. The answer I got from Wikipedia was that is what they were told by someone. Credibility went out the window!
I have some questions regarding a tilted uterus. I visited my OB-GYN because of back pain, pelvic pressure and bloating. An ultrasound was conducted along with a pelvic exam. He said I have a tilted uterus and this is causing the pain.
#322 mzebest on 07.27.08 at 4:41 pm a little more,
poll data at realpolitics.com shows states that are toss ups, via polling, represents a significant percentage of the electoral vote, as well as slippage in battleground states for both but MORE for Obama
About the polls. Do you think that the Republicans want the polls to look like this because that we our argument for Hillary is not as strong and then they would be running against Obama, who they can defeat and not Hillary, who they can’t defeat?
anything in the soft tissue lower abdominal area of the pelvis can have lots to do with back pain; wherever the pelvis is positioned the lumbar spine is positioned-because of the extensive soft tissue connections between the two bony areas.
once the pelvis and lumbar spine change in position to gravity, go away from the designed position of gravity (as homosapiens), the muscles and joints alignment changes, that in front of gravity is put on slack or loosened, that behind is put on stretch or increases in tension
Todays Daily Gallup poll shows a record 9% difference between McCain and Obama (historically 0 -7%), most likely reflecting some benefit from his recent egotrip. Most interesting is the fact that Obama did not just go up 3% over his average, McCain went down 3% below his average. The sum of the percentages did not significantly change. http://www.gallup.com/poll/election2008.aspx . McCain overall average 43%, BO 46%.
So, what’s going on? This is one of the more reputable polls. The fact is that 1 in 4 Americans believe what they see on the news as unbiased. And the news is saturated with polls about what people overseas though about BO as our president. Even the Gallup Poll posted numbers. Of course, they did not ask if those sampled would also like to see us burn in Halifax, which is a good question after so many years of Bush.
I also believe that the GOP has enough savey to manipulate the polls that they cannot influence. It looks like they have been keeping McCain 3% behind Obama for some time now. Why let him slip now? That egotrip was so loaded with good ammunition, and all they fired was about the hospital visit.
PUMA is a wildcard. We are part of the 11% “missing” from the total (equivalent to around 10 – 14 million people). The GOP has to keep Obama favorable until after the DNC Convention or Clinton’s chances will improve too much. The more PUMA progresses, the more the GOP will withdraw. Watch the total. It is simple math. If the total is 89% and they need to give BO a 10 – 15 point lead, then they need to drop McCain to 37-39% and let BO rise to 50-52% and this will happen leading into the Convention.
It is imperative that we continue our efforts to post and communicate the choices that Americans have available to them. This would be the time to really promote the Clinton Option. Go! Go! Go!
The data I researched was from realpolitics.com; Republicans had nothing and I believe have nothing to do with the results.
I believe that it reflects that:
JSND coalition is having an effect because they or people thinking like them were surveyed, randomly supposedly
An electoral college majority for Obama does not exist, may not exist, if Hillary is not the candidate period.
No recent polls with HRC vs McCain as presidental choices. I would like to see that one asked again. It would be quite different now. The party (Denver) is not over until it is over.
Done. Here it is. (I post there as jbjd, too.)
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Would the people who support BO for POTUS have us accept that they believe a one-week visit to foreign countries, shaking the hands of foreign leaders, and reading speeches, in English, to foreign citizens (amassed in part to hear foreign bands), is tantamount to possessing the requisite foreign policy credentials for the job, especially given the fact that even the candidate ridiculed HRC for claiming foreign policy credentials acquired during 8 years as First Lady? http://www.nationaljournal.com/onair/transcripts/080314_craig_greg.htm
No; I suspect any pleasure BO’s supporters feel at the end of his week-long excursion is nothing more than a collective sigh of relief that, given his recent history, he didn’t commit yet another international faux pas while he was away.
Because I want the most qualified person elected to office, I pray HRC wins the Democratic primary once the votes on her ballot nomination are counted at the convention.
The most interesting commonality @realpolitics.com poll data is that much showing NoObama in one way or another is quite recent, this past week, in Ohio, Colorado, and Pennsylvannia. The number of articles listed questioning Obama and his chances has skyrocketted, as they have done with less exponential rises but important rises nonetheless at MSM sites.
The polls will change 100 times before Nov, but the problem will start we he has to debate and after the convention…that will be the tell all. You must understand the people that pay for these polls get the numbers they want…This bounce is an illusion brought and paid for
I think he’ll dip this week after the Obamapalooza Tour is out of mind. It appears that the topic at the start of the week will be about not visiting the troops, whether he changes his mind about the success of the surge and I’m sure there will be some news piece about BO and Petraeus (or with the Military in general).
He’ll get another big bounce when (IF) he makes his alleged MLK-like speech at Mile High Stadium.
It’s impertiave that we continue to work hard, especially in swing states.
… and to add: I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets a bump during the olympics with all the ad buys he’s made. ($5 million?)
We’ll have to see what the RNC has up their sleeve to compete against that or change public opinion that that practice of BO’s campaign is arrogant. Many of us already see that.
new to this site. I am curious if you guys think the repubs are gonna lay low all the way?? I have never voted repub before, I will be this year. I am worried with all the dirt they must have on the empty-suit, why are the repubs NOT saying anything?
#65 Headclunker and #34 Ladyhawkk – BO and Florida
After the RBC meeting on May 31st — an AP article on Yahoo was written in which there was a brief mention that at the convention BO was promising to give full seating and delegates their full weight at the convention. A friend of mine who had read the article — sent me the link because he was furious and instantly pointed out that BO wanted his cake and eat it too. That he interpreted that small tidbit of information to mean that: After BO is guaranteed the nomination, after he no longer needs the votes of delegates and super delegates… that he would restore the votes to FL and MI to make himself look like the good guy since he was the ONE to restore the votes.
Just hope that people outside the PUMA community will see through this tactic.
#346 john
Check out Rasmussen’s web site. I don’t think they are bought by anyone; if they were I don’t think that they would be reporting Obama leads.
I hope that many more potential JSND’s and Pac’ers see that too. If it is out on MSM and polls and not only on our blogs, many many more could join us or at least support Hillary in Denver.
Allright Pumas, enough talk! We need to act! This back and forth is going nowhere. I already faxed a letter to Charlie Rangel, I don’t have any more time today but will get on the superdelegate list that I got from Ricki Lieberman. I notice Howard Dean is on there, anyway, apparently she wants us to contact these people. I’m going to e-mail her back and ask for more names. By the way, I thought we had a big superdelegate contact list that we were going to work on. I didn’t see that in the Action Center or did I miss it? I suppose we could still go to lobbydelegates.com and continue to harass the ones that haven’t changed their e-mail addy. Ricki says we should be contacting the same people over and over, not to give up. Here’s what I got today which is a REPOST from downstairs. I’m going to e-mail as well as fax mine so I’ll have to look up their fax numbers.
I received the following names thru Puma Responders regarding the delegates to contact. I don’t know how to give you a link, so I just copied it and am pasting it here.
LOL! I’m in moderation again, just like downstairs! Murphy, what’s going on with that comment?
By the way, I’m trying to find the e-mail Donna Brazile sent me when she said she was archiving me but don’t know how to do the search. I use Outlook Express. I did Crtl f5 and Shift f5, neither worked.
re: polls. some are more reputable than others. i think gallop and rasmussen are highly respected. but, as one poster said, the polls will change a million times between now and election day, though i have found it disturbing that while obama hasn’t held a significant lead for any length of time, he has been ahead of mccain pretty consistently for a while now. here’s my theory to keep myself encouraged: mccain and the gop are laying relatively low since they would prefer obama to be the nominee over clinton. then, if obama does indeed become the nominee, i believe/hope they will pull out all the stops and will define him as they defined kerry and gore. the gop can be ruthless, something i always hated and dreaded. but, man am i ever counting on it now (that is, if obama gets the nomination)!
someone said yesterday, i think, keep your eyes on the prize. the convention is the target, which boils down to sd’s. them, and the media. we just have to keep hammering away. then as alohapuma and others have said, the chips will fall where they may.
Obama is such a fool! Of course, he doesn’t want town hall meetings, he won’t be able to use the teleprompter. Also, he says he wants Bubba campaigning for him! Not! http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/12083.html
I had to laugh regarding the fact that BO is looking for an ethical intelligent person to run with him….as far as I can tell, we are running FROM him, not with him
Comment on the upper thread comments about life in the Swinging State of Virginia –
Yes, we are getting the full court press- repeated commercials, as if Obama needs them, saturation coverage of Obama by the MSM, Obama voter registration tables at concerts and phone calls for our voting age children –
We will need every vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee.
I don’t know about you folks, but I am fired up about the info we received last night via Murphy’s NQR conversation with Ray, the Clinton Pledged Delegate. I have been on a tear today.
First, I googled a list of Clinton Pledged Delegates from my state. Clinton won AZ. She has 20 pledged delegates to Noname’s 14.
Second, I went to the AZ Democratic Party website and emailed a contact:
“Amanda, please email me a PDF of the Pledged Delegate Petition to place a name into nomination at the Democratic National Convention. If you cannot email a PDF then fax to 520-***-****. If you are the wrong contact person, then forward this message to the contact person that is responsible for sending out requested information to Arizona residents. Thank you.”
And if you really want to stay fired up about being set up, go and look at the front page of the DNC website. F@ck the DNC!
Well, I feel sad that no one responded to my post.
I would have liked to have felt that Americans appreciated our forces fighting alongside your forces, especially as I have family in the military. Obama seems to think the British are insignificant, and I wondered what average Americans thought?
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gay gal – are you suggesting that anyone can place a name in nomination? otherwise, what’s your action, i’m interested to understand it better. my impression of how a name gets placed in nomination is that there’s a vote that goes state by state alphabetically. a state can pass to be returned to later if they want to. a name gets placed in nomination, or not, by the first state that does so. fortunately, arkansas comes up soon in the alphabet and would hopefully place clinton’s name in nomination. but, i’m not sure. this is just my recollection (not the most reliable of things as i age!) from prior conventions. if you have the time and patience, can you explain your strategy a bit more? thanks.
I didn’t see your first post but I for one am very grateful to our British friends. Even though they did not agree with GW they still stood and continue to stand by our side. I believe that they are our greatest alli. I hope someday to visit there because I just love the British people. I can only speak for me, my family, and friends, but I don’t think we are alone in this.
in ref to England
prime minester G BROWN
loss elections in his homeland
there is a general desire of the English people
that the general election would be anticipated
they do not like the way the labour party (socialist)
is doing
therefore I suspect they do not give bleep about goffy
#27 nhforhillary……who is bashing you? Let me at’em. You guys/gals are the best!! It’s our idiot “commander in chief”, that needs the bashing (literally), for not listening to the commanders on the ground and for not giving you guys all the tools you need for the job!
goandersen – i don’t live in cindy’s district, but i have been in touch with her campaign and once she gets enough signatures to be on the ballot, i’ll definitely donate to her. once this convention is over and once the general election is over, for me the next focus will be on unseating dems who’ve been disappointing to say the least this year. needless to say, pelosi’s at the top of the list!
How do I find out info about those who are going to the convention from Southern AZ. I know no buses that are going from my area. Tucson to Denver is only a 13 hr drive anyway. I just don’t want to go alone. Any suggestions!
#129 Knoxville Puma on 07.27.08 at 1:21 pm, WROTE TO,
cosmeta,
[[ Thank you for the conversation we had the other night about the Wisconsin superdelegate. It really helped me in writing the letter to Wineke and the Democratic Party of Wisconsin. Have you seen it? Did you notice your influence in it?
NOTE:
I changed the 1st sentence of the 5th paragraph to:
But I must ask you, why do you have a problem with it?
Does that sound ok, or should I put it back to:
But I must ask you, “Why do you have a problem with that?”
Just read it now… And no, I did not notice my influence. Does it matter? Even if my influence is there, ideas cannot be copyrighted. And if it’s words, just take what you need. I don’t have a problem with that.
Your letter is very good, I thought, and *YOU* you should be proud of at as YOUR creation.
She is the only one who is qualified and will heal all these wounds. I am so certain everything will be wrong in the world if O gets the nomination. Please please please do everything you can and more to get Hillary Rodham Clinton, on the top of the ticket. We need her.
And did you know that BO also provided free beer with those concerts? Laura Ingrahm hinted to this fact when she substituted on the O’Reilly Factor for FOX a few days back.
puma allie – i didn’t see your post either. sorry you’re having a rough day. i can relate. this is pretty intense and we are all so passionate and have so much invested. sometimes i have to take a breath, take a step back and gain perspective and remember that no matter what happens, we will survive. and, i think this movement has become so much larger than being just about hillary (though that is now our primary focus), but about the broader issues of democratic process, having our voices heard and be counted, and about being empowered as voters with regard to our elected officials.
no matter what happens, i have to believe it will be ok. but it’s so f***** hard to be this frustrated and dumbfounded and dismissed for so long.
Donna Brazille made the comment after the DNC meeting saying (under her breath, kinda) well, they’ll (MI and FL) probably be reinstated in full this summer.
She may not even have said probably. I remember her remark very well and no one said a word about it!
#129 Knoxville Puma on 07.27.08 at 1:21 pm, WROTE TO,
cosmeta,
[[ Thank you for the conversation we had the other night about the Wisconsin superdelegate. It really helped me in writing the letter to Wineke and the Democratic Party of Wisconsin. Have you seen it? Did you notice your influence in it?]]
On second thought Knoxville… are you sure that you are not mixing me with another who deserves your praise?|?
380 Anna 7000
I don’t live in her district either. I am a little south.
She could use contributions now to get the needed signatures. I will do all I can to unseat Pelosi!
Thanks for reading.
puma allie – sorry for the mispell of britain! i was trying to write like i should speak in obama land, with an accent. you know, like pokiston instead of pakistan. franse instead of france. so i guess now, we must say grite britin! (that’s my lame excuse for a typo, but had to seize on obama’s idiocy!)
I just sent an e-mail to Sen. Geller (FL) regarding his decision to drop his lawsuit against the DNC. This should be a big PUMA action. Pumas, just use any city in Florida and e-mail him. I don’t have the link to the story, it was posted somewhere this morning but I can’t find it. I also sent a bcc to Ricki Lieberman.
Dear Sen. Geller:
I am writing to voice my concern that you are dropping your lawsuit with regard to seating the full Florida delegation. I find Sen. Obama’s assurances that the full delegation will be seated at the convention to be deceitful and underhanded. Why is he now agreeing to this? Is it because he is the “presumed” nominee and he feels safe that Sen. Clinton cannot overtake him in delegates and she would be the nominee instead? Sen. Obama best not count his chickens before they hatch. Had he agreed to this from the beginning, you would not have had to file suit. I find it disingenuous of him now to state that the delegation will be seated in full.
I urge you NOT to dismiss the law suit until Sen. Obama agrees to seat the full delegation NOW. To do otherwise makes a mockery of our Democratic process. Thank you. XXXXXXXX
No I am basing my info on what I heard from Ray — the Clinton “Pledged” Delegate that we heard on “Meet me in Denver” last night.
He said that pledged delegates are the ones that need to sign the petition, not supers. He said he had “signed, sealed notarized and delivered” his petition. He was encouraging that copies of those petitions be sent to Clinton Pledged Delegates in our particular states.
dances – not sure what you’re hating to do to me, but anyway…i’ll click on the link. i didn’t get to hear the blogtalkradio yesterday. something got screwed up and then i wasn’t able to keep trying to catch it. i’ll check it out now. thanks for the link.
393 goandersen
gay gal
have you contacted southwest@pumapac.org?
Let them know you are going and want to carpool
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also, contact gotodenver@pumapac.org
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goandersen,
I just requested that southwest send out a broadcast to san diego and area pumas to get together to strategize and do joint actions in the next few weeks before convention.
Have you thought about doing the same for the SFO Bay Area? It could save you a lot of leg work in distributing flyers etc. ?
((((((((puma Allie))))))))) I have been there it seems posts go so fast sometimes and so many doing so many things I talk to myself often LOL Friend of mine just came from England to visit and will see her soon. I think England holds us up so much of the time and is a good thing we have them to lean on and relie on. Thanks for being there country and you.We need you here too:)Take care and hold on there we are really trying and your help is so needed too. Hard sometimes I know but I am looking for that change ob keeps promising and I hope the change is he will be gone.
re#326 Ht1
i think McCain is playing”rope-a-dope”..
..he’s in close covering himself and taking some tough Obama punches..
as long as he’s in close enough when he wants to he can start unloading and bang away on a tired Obama in the final rounds..
boxing fans will get it..
#401 Anna7000 no worries, easy typo to make, thanks for responding. I must admit sometimes I do feel left out or on the fringes. It is understandable because it is after all an American election, and I think maybe if we had a private forum as well it might be better, because posts get missed.
Thanks Anna.
Everyone, please jot down the number of my comment that is awaiting moderation, #357. It has the delegates Ricki Lieberman wants us to contact. By the time it’s moderated, we’ll be upstairs!
I have HAD it with these disrespectful responses from our elected officials.
You will receive an email stating this but want it out there in PUMAville NOW:
I want a copy of EVERY SINGLE response we have received from delegates, superdelegates, and any other person we have contacted and received a response from – even the “I can’t reply because you are not in my state” bahloney. Don’t care if they’re nice or mean. This needs publicity – PERIOD. These people have NO basis on which to speak to us in the manner they have. I want dates, times, and which PROWL they are responding to.
Forward copies to me ASAP. Put RESPONSE in the email subject.
ANNA7000
dances – not sure what you’re hating to do to me
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My original post was gobbled up… so you got the shorter version. I hated to make you take the time to list to an hour just to get the info you need.
You’ll enjoy the program though… perservere though, it was another great show.
Joyce Stoer Cordi. She’s a great woman. I volunteered for her for a while. She calls herself Independent Republican and Republicans don’t like her and don’t want to help her. Her website is http://www.cordiforcongress.org She needs help right now raising money and getting votes.
Evening Fellow PUMA’S,
#398 Hillaryistheone: Let’s see how well the party does without Hillary’s 18,000,000 supporters. All I know is that out of the ashes a new Democratic Party will begin. A party where nominees are Elected not Selected. A party where there is no fear of being thrown under a bus. A party where 1 + 1 = 3(1 idea and someone elses take on the idea gives you the solution). A party where one vote = one vote. A party where my vote and your vote carries the same weight. We will be a party of One. Where all are welcome even if we disagree.
Thanks for the email address — maybe my response #403 to Anna (#371), better explains what I am up to. I heard Ray say on “Meet me n Denver” that it is 300 “Pledged delegates” not supers that would need to send the petition requesting her name be placed in nomination. Did anyone else hear it that way? I listened twice to his info. But there is always a possibility that I am moving deeper into insanity:)
#400 andersen
Sorry, I thought you had my email. Thanks for the 2 links!!
Welcome to all those guest Observers who do not post comments and just want to see whats going on here!!
We hope you will read all of the posts,pick up some new ideas and be inspired to stop Obama in the best way you see fit…..
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From Steven Geller:
Dear Constituent:
Thank you for contacting my office. Please be advised that I receive tens of thousands of e-mails from all over the world. It is impossible for me to reply to every e-mail I receive, but I do try to respond to everyone. I first respond to emails from constituents in my district, then citizens from the State of Florida and, lastly, to those out-of-state. However, I will not respond to or review any e-mail that does not include a home address and telephone number.
Please understand that when the e-mail volume is particularly heavy, or I am in the middle of the Legislative Session, it is difficult to respond. I promise that I will try my best to respond in a timely fashion.
Again, thank you for taking the time to contact me. Your input is very much appreciated.
Sincerely,
Senator Steven A. Geller
Florida State Senate, District 31
I think you have something there in your polls analysis.
Everyone knows that we (the Wildcard PUMA) are making McCain’s life easier, but this is the card we are dealt with and we will turn it in Hillary’s advantage yet.
It is a copy of a state Dem party petition that “Pledged Delegate” must sign. They are the ones that have to sign, seal, notarize, and deliver to the DNC regarding the 300 hundred signatures needed to request that Hill’s name be placed into nomination.
aaccckk! I just typed out a post and when I hit submit, it was gone into cyberspace. sigh.
I only have a few minutes to be here LOL so I’ll try just once more…
I’m getting very anxious about the little time that we have left to do whatever we can. I’ve been spending time at the http://www.lobbydelegates.com site – sending a new letter that I composed geared to all of the SD’s. It goes so much more quickly if you’re only copy/pasting one letter.
I wrote respectfully – from my heart – urging the SD to cast his/her vote for Hillary at the convention. I reviewed (as concisely as I could!) the qualifications of our Hillary and the questions about BO. I expressed my distress regarding the actions/inactions of the DNC/RBC and the apparent corruption within the Dem Party. I stressed that there are MILLIONS who feel as I do and who will not vote for BO should he be the nominee. I ended by, again, urging the SD to vote for Hillary – that Hillary can win in November; BO will lose.
Anyway, all of our letters just have to make a difference and for us to keep on pounding them out is critical. We have accomplished so much and we’re making a POWERFUL statement. I’m very proud to be fighting this good fight with you all.
((( Wizard ))) <— that’s a huge Hillhug. Thank you for your comment to me from yesterday’s thread. I feel the same way about you, you know. It made my heart smile.
I think McCain and rnc is sitting waiting till after convention not wanting to give Hillary extra points. Bomma is easier target Hillary would be a shoein and her people would leave him back to her. If he can stay close and wait it out than can smear Bommy for good.With our help of course. Others have said too I just agree.
” “hacker alert: don’t add this person if a boy called KURT CHAPMAN adds u don t accept it because its a hacker!! Tell everyone on your list because if somebody on your list adds them u get them on your list he ll figure out Your ID computer address
How convenient of NOBAMA to give a speech AFTER a rock concert. His people who travelled with him in Germany CONFISCATED ALL ANTI-OBAMA banners!
Do we have radio tonight? Does anyone know if Lanny Davis would be on internet talk radio tonight? I want to make a call and ask him some questions and it won’t be nice. I’d go right for the guts.
If…(hope,hope) Obama loses to McCain in November..we all owe it to Hillary and all Americans to go after the DNC like pack of starving,rabid PUMAS and tear the SOB’s to pieces..
Hillary supporters, still angry, frustrate attempts at party unity
Andrew McLemore
Published: Sunday July 27, 2008
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Hillary Clinton supporters have been criticizing Barack Obama with increasing frequency as the senator’s trip overseas captured media attention bordering on adulation.
A political action committee named PUMA, or People United Means Action, has devoted itself to the continued support of Clinton and in an announcement on its blog called Obama’s trip ‘a flop’ and an ‘ego trip’. Alternatively, PUMA also means Party Unity My Ass.
The entry continued in a tone directed at Obama supporters:
“Your guy can’t even make a dent against an old guy who hasn’t even begun to campaign against you in earnest. You’re losing during the warm-up?”
Questions of Obama’s viability as a presidential candidate from fellow Democrats have resurfaced in Texas recently as the Obama campaign attempts to unify Texas Democrats, The Austin American-Statesman reported.
“An uncounted swath of Clinton backers” is supporting the nation-wide efforts of PUMA and frustrating Democratic politicians in Texas trying to boost party unity, including those who worked for Clinton’s campaign.
“We all need to do whatever it takes to get him elected,” said Garry Mauro of Austin, who directed Clinton’s campaign in Texas.
But many Clinton supporters are still angry over the perceived injustices committed against her during the Texas primary. Clinton won the primary, but Obama took more delegates because of caucus turnouts.
Austinite Frances Morey said she will skip the November presidential election entirely.
“So why is he prancing around in Europe like he’s the president-elect?” Morey said this week. “I cannot vote for him. I cannot bring myself to vote for this poseur.”
Protesters brought their anger over the supposed mistreatment of Hillary Clinton by the Democratic Party to a Howard Dean appearance in Charlotte Friday, some carrying signs that read “Dump Dean.”
Two dozen of the New York Senator’s supporters shouted down the Democratic National Committee Chairman with a chorus of, “I own my vote!” the Charlotte Observer reported.
The protest was sparked by a rumor that Clinton’s name would not be put in for nomination at the Democratic National Convention in Denver next month.
The supporters were loud enough that Dean was forced to stop his speech to the 150 people who showed up for the voting rally and address the demonstrators.
“There will be a roll call vote at the convention if Hillary Clinton wants one,” Dean said. “We all respect each other and we certainly respect Sen. Clinton. This is a unified party. It is not easy to be on the losing side, and I know … because four years ago, I was on the losing side.”
If anyone wants a listing of DENVER resources (lodging, transportation, parking, maps, Convention site, downtown road closures due to the convention, light rail info, police & security, greyhound bus info, campgrounds, etc.
Send your request to gotodenver@pumapac.org .
I just received mine and althpugh it’s still in a rough form, it is extremely informative and helpful!
Anna7000, you are correct about the nomination process in an open convention. This however, will not be an open convention even though they said it is. Threfore, in order for Senator Clinton to be up for nomination she needs the notorized signature of 300 pledged delegates on petition to achieve her nomination and Senator Clinton needs to agree to that nomination. It’s all BS, should not be like this. Right now they way it stands it is Obama’s decision whether or not Hillary will be placed for nomination. How’s that for crazy!
You can go to http://www.lobbydelegates.com . Click on the pick a state button on the “lobby for Hillary Clinton” block. Click on a state and it’ll open up the list of delegates for that state – broken down into uncommitted, HRC committed, BO committed. You can check off one column at a time and then scroll down. Click the button that says “Fax …” to drop down a little box – select “Email & Post – free”. Scroll down and fill in the boxes to send your email right from the site. I compose my letter in an aol email to myself, keep it open, copy my text and then you can just paste it into the message box on the lobbydelegate site. Click preview. Click the circle for “no thanks – I’d like to send this for free” (lol, it says something like that – I can’t remember exactly though I’ve clicked it a thousand times!) …. then your mail will be sent to multiple addresses at once. It’s really easy once you get the hang of it.
If you have any questions, let me know! This looks really confusing and I didn’t explain it very well but you could get my email from MarylandPUMA or mamapuma and I would be happy to help you.
Gay Gal said: I don’t know about you folks, but I am fired up about the info we received last night via Murphy’s NQR conversation with Ray, the Clinton Pledged Delegate. I have been on a tear today.
Here’s part of the transcript (“M” is Murphy, “R” is Ray, the pledged Clinton delegate from CA):
R: (28:25) I’ve been working to get Senator Clinton’s name into nomination.
M: [(30:00) Makes an announcement that Lannie Davis and Ricki Lieberman will be on NoQuarter Radio tonight (7/27/08)!]
M: This whole question of Senator Clinton’s name being put into nomination. Barring something crazy happening with the Obama campaign, assuming things just go forward as they have been, is there a chance that Hillary will be nominated in such a way that you will be able to affect the outcome? Is there a chance?
R: Well, first of all, we all know, or should know, it is Obama’s decision to not allow Senator Clinton’s name not to be put into nomination. (30:49)
M: I thought it was Howard Dean’s decision.
R: Well, it is, but you can be sure that there have been discussions, and Obama is the head of the Democratic Party at this point [???]. (31:08) He is the titular head of the Democratic Party [I looked it up - “titular” means “moron,” I mean, nominal: existing in name only; "the nominal (or titular) head of his party" (wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn) - doesn’t make any sense, as that would mean he has no power, really]. It is also my understanding that there is a rule in the Democratic Party that if 300 delegates sign (31:37) a petition seeking for Senator Clinton to have her name put into nomination, as long as Senator Clinton agrees to have her name put into nomination, it will be put into nomination.
M: It’s sort of a populist bypass. Is that superdelegates or pledged delegates?
R: That’s pledged delegates. (32:03) I have already done so, and had it signed, sealed, notarized, and delivered. Now, the need to have it notarized on our part is because Obama has a history of challenging others that are in a political race against him. This is the change that he speaks of and this is not the kind of change that I’m looking for.
M: So do you think there will be 300 signatures on the petition? (33:21)
R: I’d rather not go into that right now. Let’s let them guess.
M: PUMA PAC is urging every superdelegate to sign that petition, and to get them to change their minds for Hillary. Should we keep doing that?
R: God bless you, keep doing that every day, even during the Convention! (34:02) Absolutely! Your voices are being heard. It’s not necessarily the words, it’s the number of emails, bother them, hound them, absolutely!
Caller (ProudMilitaryMom): Should I get my district delegates to sign off on this petition? (36:30)
M: Yes, we should do that, we should start locally hounding delegates. (37:13)
Caller: If you can post on your blog, Murphy [http://blog.pumapac.org] where we can get the petition for our delegates, that would be great.
R: The petitions are actually written up for each state. We can get those for the blog.
Ladyhawkke ~ GoAlucard is awesome at the delegate contacting and TrishfromCanada’s been working on delegate lists, too, along with Wizard and other dedicated PUMAs. More resources for you ……
I am not surprised that they say that it’s Obama’s decision. Remember Alic Palmer and other folks? I can guarantee you that BHO will find a way to keep Hillary off the ballot. Remember how Dean said that he doesn’t want a floor fight at the convention?
YouTube videos are highly needed. PLEASE respond to Dean’s contest request. Tell him “Why you are a Democrat in 2008″? Tell him: “Why I am not voting for Obama in 2008″. Please use this opportunity and send the video to ALL of the undecided Super Delegates. Deadline for entry is: AUGUST 1
I have sent email to gotodenver@pumapac.org and have not been answered yet~ could you please look for my email and send me the information i asked about~ thank you!
#464 DancesWithPumas I could not find anything on the blogradio.com site. There’s nothing on http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nqr either. The show listged there is tomorrow night. I wonder if Lanny got bumped? It wonder if Obama got to him and said don’t go on there.
thus, from what I just read
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god help us and tthe party
looks like is going to be run by “ali-baba & 40 thieves”
Didnt catch your posts earlier than this, playing catch up right now. First let me say, my entire family (of men) father, grandfathers, uncles…..all of them served in the either Royal Navy or Army. My grandfather died as a result of getting sick while in the Royal Navy (many were)was sent home to die, which he did. In the mean time his 18mos old son caught his illness and died the day of his funeral. Needless to say, I come from a proud family of Brits. Most of my family is still over there. I was brought up in the states for the most part. But did have a year here and there of living in England (mother kept getting home sick). Anyway maybe I’m bias but I feel that people here are proud to have the Brits by our side. I believe (again maybe bias) America considers the UK our closest friend. My US military and government friends love how the Brits are with them. One of my proudest moments of Hillary was when she spoke of the UK and US being one. Me, having dual citizenship, had a tinkle go up my leg when she spoke of that….haha.
ps: I will say none of my friends from India feel that way towards the Brits, oh well….we wont go there.
161- Anna7000 – just logged on today – your post was hi-lorelaious! Thanks for the lol – needed it today as I detached from the Sunday morning news shows, NYTimes, and all the other propaganda that arrived on my doorstep.
I honestly can’t wait until I can get back to watching the news and reading the newspaper.
Anyway, Ricki Lieberman and Lanny Davis will be on NoQuarter radio tonight…not sure of the time though-
Anyone know? (has this been posted up above?) I haven’t had time to read all of them….sorry
Hillary supporters, still angry, frustrate attempts at party unity Andrew McLemore
Published: Sunday July 27, 2008
Hillary Clinton supporters have been criticizing Barack Obama with increasing frequency as the senator’s trip overseas captured media attention bordering on adulation.
A political action committee named PUMA, or People United Means Action, has devoted itself to the continued support of Clinton and in an announcement on its blog called Obama’s trip ‘a flop’ and an ‘ego trip’. Alternatively, PUMA also means Party Unity My Ass.
The entry continued in a tone directed at Obama supporters:
“Your guy can’t even make a dent against an old guy who hasn’t even begun to campaign against you in earnest. You’re losing during the warm-up?” http://countusout.wordpress.com/
“#350 mzebest
Donna Brazille made the comment after the DNC meeting saying (under her breath, kinda) well, they’ll (MI and FL) probably be reinstated in full this summer.
She may not even have said probably. I remember her remark very well and no one said a word about it!”
I know what you mean… many small details stick in my mind and I don’t forget them either as they all help to piece together the puzzle as things unfold. I think the AP article that I referenced was sometime after the RBC meeting or shortly after Primaries… and if memory serves correctly — the gist of the article was about Dean handing over the control of the DNC to BO. That alone infuriated me… not to mention his comments to restore votes to FL and MI at a time when it wouldn’t have any significance other than to attempt to win the voters of that state.
And I still fume over the thought that the control of the DNC would be handed over to a PRESUMPTIVE nominee. Since when in history has that ever been the way things are handled?
re#476 John.. it’s great to get some coverage…especially impartial..
I like the article however the writer could have written more on the substance of PUMA criticism of Obama/DNC..and less making it look like pissing contest..
“Your guy can’t even make a dent against an old guy who hasn’t even begun to campaign against you in earnest. You’re losing during the warm-up?”
re#486 vad..
..hopefully someone will call and press Lenny to give us some real answers..
I hope his purpose for being on the show is not as a point man for the Obama campaign to assuage our anger and try to convince (bs) us into falling in line behind the DNC and Obama … we’ll see..
#487 freepuma If they have the live chat going, let’s hammer it with questions and comments to stop him from being Obama’s point man on that show if he goes that route. Hopefully someone will be monitoring it who works for their show.
McCain should be all over it by now.
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Especially since Katie Coric or Bill Hemmer asked him several times, and then clarified with him that he had NOT changed his position on anything since his world tour.
#493notfollowinthepiedpiper on 07.27.08 at 7:40 pm
Regarding petition for Sheehan:
Can someone please enlighten me on something here. I always felt that Cindy Sheehan was doing the same thing obama wanted to do…to just stop the war now and bring the troops home regardless of the outcome. It seems to me that would make the soldier’s lost lives count for nothing because it would be forfeiting the cause for which they stood and gave their lives so bravely for. I’m of the impression that ( since we don’t have a draft) the soldiers are there voluntarily and because they believe in the cause they are fighting for. They weren’t forced to sign up. I wasn’t in favor of the Iraq war when it began, but it would be a slap in the face of those who’ve given so much for the cause, to just walk out on it now. I don’t like Pelosi at all and would like to see her out but … I don’t know.
I didn’t see your earlier post either. Not only do I appreciate the aide of our British allies, I also sympathize with those who have suffered losses because of a war that Bush had no business starting.
Every time the media reports on deaths and injuries among our military forces, I think about all of the other losses that go unreported. It’s almost as if our allies don’t exist.
Come to think about it, I’ve heard more about Iraqi losses than I have about deaths and injuries among our allied forces. And it’s not very often the media even talks about how many Iraqis have been killed or injured as a result of the war … not unless they’re talking about the latest bombing and how much destruction it did.
BHO is saying whatever it takes to win. I hope people wake up and smell the roses. Change, Change, Change!!! That’s a bunch of bull, worked awhile back but it has not since the Pa primary.
This was posted earlier but I just read it and it made me sick to my stomach. This is long but it is a good read, when I try to explain to people why I am not voting for the chosen one… living through it was so consuming- by stepping back and reading this as a time table…You might consider an ativan/xanax/pepsid/zantac/aspirin/shot of something(maker’s mark)- you will most likely need something to settle your nerves/stomach http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Summer08/BrazileRoveConnect.html
I really would like to thank Maryland Puma and Murphy for doing such a good job of filtering out “unwanted” visitors and distractions from coming onto this site. As Trish once said: unlike other blogs, this is a Puma PAC action site and we need to focus on our goals.
# 457 gocleffnote -thanks for the succinct summary of how this is going to work this year at the convention. i had no idea. sounds insane! another one of those: how in the world are they getting away with this deals?!* anyway, i’m sure folks have been posting and it’s on the blogtalkradio, but i’m in a hurry and wondering:
1. am i correct in assuming then, that in addition to contacting sd’s we need to be contacting pledged delegates about getting clinton’s name placed in nomination?
2. if so, what’s the best way to find out who the pledged delegates are and how to contact them?
sorry if this repeats stuff that’s already been addressed, but i don’t have time to scroll through and since this is all news to me as to how this is going to work, i’m just catching up and trying to get things formulated in my head so i can take action.
thanks to anyone who’s in the know and can respond.
Here is what I received by email a week ago from someone on the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee when I asked him if Hillary’s name would be placed on the ballot and in nomination …
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FOR THE 2008 DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
By authority of the Democratic National Committee, the National Convention of the Democratic Party is hereby scheduled to convene on August 25, 2008, in Denver, Colorado, at an hour to be announced, to select nominees for the offices of President and Vice President of the United States of America, to adopt and promulgate a platform and to take such other actions with respect to such other matters as the Convention may deem advisable.
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VIII. PROCEDURAL RULES OF THE 2008 DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION
The following Procedural Rules shall serve as the Temporary Rules of Procedure for the 2008 Democratic National Convention and are recommended to the Rules Committee and to the Convention as the Permanent Rules of Procedure for the conduct of the 2008 Democratic National Convention.
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C. Order of Business: The order of business for the Democratic National Convention shall be as provided in these rules and in any special order of business adopted under Section D. of these rules. The Chair of the Convention may, at appropriate times, interrupt the order of business 2008 Call for the Democratic National Convention provided for in these rules for introductions, announcements, addresses, presentations, resolutions
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6. Nomination of the Democratic Candidate for President: The Permanent Chair shall receive nominations from the floor for the Democratic candidate for the Office of President of the United States in the following manner:
a. Requests to nominate a presidential candidate shall be in writing and shall have affixed thereto the written approval of the proposed nominee and the name of the individuals who shall be recognized to make the nominating and seconding speeches on behalf of a presidential candidate and shall be delivered to the Convention Secretary at a location as specified by the Secretary no later than 6:00 p.m. of the day preceding the day designated for the commencement of presidential nominations.
b. Each such request must be accompanied by a petition indicating support for the proposed nominee signed by delegates representing not less than 300 or more than 600 delegate votes, not more than 50 of which may come from one (1) delegation. A delegate may not sign more than one (1) nominating petition for president and for vice president.
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In a follow-up email, my contact wrote this …
That said, the Convention is the highest body of the Democratic Party, and they make and adopt their own rules. However, I cannot imagine they would not make a provision for placing a name in nomination. We have had every manner of person’s name put in nomination over the years.
What you will want to watch is what comes out of the Convention (NOT DNC) Rules Committee. NOTE: Its a different group of people from the DNC Rules Committee.
Frankly, if anything like that were to happen, however, its not going to be via the rules, it is going to be at least with her tacit consent of not placing her name before the body.
THE ONLY reason I can see doing this would be for staging/timing issues. Typically the VP is nominated on Thursday night. With the move to the Stadium, I have no idea how that is going to effect the schedule. NOTE THE FOLLOWING IS PURE SPECULATION: I could see the VP nomination much more easily being an up or down vote on the nominee’s proposal, and do it from the stage at the Stadium, with say the convention delegates seated together, in front, on the field, and having them scream “aye”, and go from there.
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For those of you doing the EW from the very beginning, this will be your 6th cycle. But 6th or 1st,
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Make sure that Marylandpuma has your email and tell her that you want to be on the mailing list if you haven’t already. That way you wil receive the daily growls if you want to.
#371 Gay Gal I googled Clinton’s delegates from FL but couldn’t come up with anything. However, I did e-mail the FL Dem Party and asked them for the petition and also a list with names, phone numbers and e-mails for both of Obama’s and Clinton’s pledged delegates. I think we should contact all of them.
Anna7000 ~ when you go onto any link like the PBS one and you glean info like ….. Atty Genl RI … whatever … just follow your intuition and google Office of Atty Genl RI …… whatever tidbit of info you can get, just keyword google and you’ll stumble onto something that will lead you to the contact info – eventually It’s like a puzzle
Lanny Davis is making it clear that the party is getting everybody in line by using scare tactic of saying the country will suffer under a McCain presidency.
Can anyone tells me what has Lanny said so far??? NOTHING!
I am really wasting my time listening to him.
The ONLY positive thing he can say about the Messiah is that he voted for the FISA Bill against his own base! That is it! He doesn’t care if the vote was even right or wrong!
I am glad Hillary did not hire him for anything – that made me feel much better.
What a weak person.
No kidding… but I just knew this was the case as soon as I heard the story because too many suspicious items in the news report. Below is another related link that was in the original link I posted above:
hey everyone; will someone please report some details of the radio talk? I can hopefully listen to it later, not sure about that though, because I tried to listen to the one with Murphy and couldn’t find it today.. anyway, I hope ya’ll will summarize whatever you can, because.. well, I am supposed to be working, but was really interested in what he was going to say.. thanks
I laughed when I saw this sentence in the article you linked to … It is believed that requests written on notes and placed between the holy stones of the Western Wall, also known as the Wailing Wall, will be granted by God.
If Obama violated protocol by making the contents of his note public, does it mean that his requests won’t be granted by God? Did he jinx himself and his chances to become President? I sincerely hope so.
#527 firebelle puma
#538 lizzy in ct
#546 gojoyknock
Thank you so much for the info. Very much appreciated. Will make good use of it!
#540 mzebest
I went to the link you posted and just wept. Couldn’t find the anger (yet). Just such a sense of sorrow, like having Jewish graves desecrated. I need to go and be alone for a while after reading that. Perhaps I’ll see everyone later.
Despite assertions in the press that evangelical Christians are backing Democrat Barack Obama in the presidential race, a new survey reveals that he is getting less support than John Kerry did four years ago.
A typical headline, which ran last week in U.S. News & World Report, announced: “Obama Campaign Is Making Progress With Evangelical Voters.”
But the poll by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press found that 25 percent of white evangelicals favor Obama over John McCain, while 26 percent favored John Kerry over President Bush in 2004.
In 2000, Al Gore enjoyed even more support — 28 percent.
“Not that this translates into evangelical enthusiasm for McCain, but the survey is worth noting for no other reason than it challenges the prevailing media assumption about how Obama’s overt religiosity is helping his campaign,” National Review’s Mark Hemingway observes.
And the Pew Center notes: “Obama has made no significant gains among this important constituency.”
The survey also found that 39 percent of white mainline Protestants support Obama, significantly less than the 46 percent who backed Gore in 2000.
And among white, non-Hispanic Catholics, 40 percent favor Obama, compared to 47 percent who supported Kerry and 45 percent who backed Gore.
Four in 10 respondents who said they attend religious services at least once a week are backing Obama, fewer than the 42 percent who favored Kerry.
According to Hemingway, press accounts of Obama’s support among evangelicals are “a classic example of the media trying to force a campaign narrative, regardless of whether it is true.”
That’s what bothers me the most. BO was a GUEST in that country and he violated the sacredness of their traditions in his selfish interest and quest for media hype. He reminds me of that movie “Leap of Faith” in which there is a con job in everything he does.
It takes bribes to get people to come to Obama events. In Germany there was FREE BEER, FREE FOOD, AND TWO POPULAR ENTERTAINERS. And in America people are worrying about the cost of food and Obama is using their money to feed Europe. What a phoney. He rented the Hitler Victory Pillars for the day, it couldn’t be more fitting. He wants to make sure that no one protests his little photo op dramas. He made the people wait 5 hours to see him, it took that long to get enough people for his photo op. They didn’t care about his lackluster speech, they just wanted a free beer or two!
Not to mention that he confiscated all PUMA material that was being handed out to the German people as they came to the event. So Fascism and stomping on free speech is alive and well in the Obama camp.
I just received an email from IOwnMyVote.com for a virtual meeting which has a survey concerning the DNC platform, have you all received this letter, if not Please go to IOwnMyVote.com and take the pledge. This is an important way to make our voices heard. If we can get enough votes, we may have some impact on this election. On the letters I’ve only received auto responses, 4 fron Nancy Pelosi, and two from a lady in Michigan.
blessings all.
valleywitch
LOL!!! Me too… I had some important things I wanted to contribute… but they never got to me either… I had dialed in during the last hour… so wasted an hour of long distance phone time waiting.
ONE MORE TIME.. if anyone has a chance to summarize anything he said, just a summary would be great.. I couldn’t listen now.. working.. and doubt I will have time, plus.. like I said, something I did wrong or was wrong, because when I looked for the link from last night, I could only find part 1..
“I understand why Lanny Davis said what he said, he’s toeing the party line…”
I agree. I have a theory. Let’s assume that Obama’s machine is rooted in fascism. He’s threatened people that don’t tow the line. So people that don’t agree with them but still want to be players — how are they to behave (because they need their jobs, or they want to try to eventually have an effect from within… for whatever the reason…)? My theory is that if the fascist Obama camp is always listening in… they have to appear they are on the Obama team and have fallin in line… and they have to speak in code to the rest of us. I think Lanny’s statement about being an FDR Democrat was that code-speak to the rest of us to keep doing what we are doing. He doesn’t sound happy, or animated, or comfortable with everything else he says. I believe it’s because his hands are tied and he has to say the Obama narrative.
I guess i got a little bit of it from mzebest above.. but rather than guessing, maybe somebody can summarize it for me..
I will try to go and listen to it after I get off work.. if the link will take me there.. but if anybody that heard it has time, I sure would appreciate it…sorta disappointed already, cuz I see what mzbest said above..
I don’t give a rats azz WHAT he had to do….bullchit….they should all stand up to the DNC and tell them how wrong they have been…but no we have to do it….come people….give me a break !!!!!!!!!!
#575- prowlland.. you are a PUMA after my own heart…
well, I better go back to work.. I am sorta messing myself up here by staying so long … I gotta line count I have to make… sigh.. work is so demanding.. LOL
If you didn’t get to hear the show… do what I always like to do… wait a little while to give them enough time to upload the show to the site. Then go to the site in a few hours from now at the link below. Look for the show by date and click the Download button. Then when the show pops up in a separate Windows Media window… go to the File menu at the top and choose SAVE AS… and save it somewhere on your computer so you can listen to it whenever it’s convenient. I like to pause it if I have to leave the room and continue when I return and listen to bits at a time as it is convenient to do so.
Prowlland… the Wisconson delegate that stood up to them is being banned from going to the convention where she could have done some good. I think they have a plan… but they need to play along until they can implement that plan. As the Zen Master said in the story from the movie “Charlie Wilson’s War” — “We’ll see.”
I don’t know if any one watches Geraldo Rivera I have it on and a paying a little attention to it but I swear he just said when Bo came home he had to go to the doctors for a “hurt hip(i think he said hip) from playing basketball with troops poor baby shouldn’t have been trying to show off and be cool, he should have been seeing wounded soldiers pay backs a bit*h.
I’m going to cry. How is Obama nine point up? It doesn’t make any sense. How can you snub wounded troops for the gym and see your poll numbers go up? We are doomed. I am so depressed. Nothing is working. Now Everyone is excited because of Obama’s big lead. I want to cry.
#583 andy85719 What poll are you looking at. This one has Obama up but he lost 1 point to Mccain. This is with leaners. So it maybe not so bad afterall.
In Israel, placing a prayer in the wailing wall is a private compact between man and God. When the wall gets too full of prayers, these are removed and buried. An Israeli newspaper published a copy of the prayer BO put into the wall, claiming it had received the document via a Jewish seminary student who had retrieved it from the wall. Not surprisingly, this created an uproar. A lawyer initiated an investigation into the newspaper’s actions. In response, the newspaper now admits BO provided a copy of the prayer to the press before he placed it in the paper in the wall, and authorized its publication.
Speaking as a Jew, let me predict that when this truth gets out, BO can kiss the remainder of the Jewish vote good-bye.
#592 jbjd oh man that is great news where did you hear that from I hope to god that the media doesn’t brush over this one. It seems he is already getting a pass for blowing off the wounded troops.
“In response, the newspaper now admits BO provided a copy of the prayer to the press before he placed it in the paper in the wall, and authorized its publication.”
This makes me sick to my very soul.
At long last, Mr. Obama, have you no shame?
Prowlland, you sound like you could use some cheering up tonight.
I’ve posted the following several times before, but I’m including it again just for you.
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To my fellow Pumas who mourn the show of unity Hillary must now provide, I offer this …
I like to look at this as though I were a fiction writer who understands that great stories demand great conflict. Great stories demand that the heroine be continually beset with seemingly insurmountable obstacles, each one bigger and tougher than the one before it, until finally it appears that all is lost. Then, and only then, can the writer allow the heroine to emerge victorious and provide the audience with the most delicious and satisfying ending possible.
This is still Act II, dear Pumas, not Act III. And in Act II, things must still get worse before they can get better. Our heroine Hillary fought valiantly during a difficult primary season, and yet she failed to secure the nomination. So now, the plot thickens. Now our heroine Hillary must do the heretofore unthinkable and infiltrate enemy territory. It’s a more daring and precarious plan that she has undertaken before, but her options are few.
Key to her success is convincing the evil Nobama and his ilk that she supports him wholeheartedly. But her loyal Pumas know better. So do our allies in other camps. It’s a ruse. It’s a diversion. It’s 18 million cracks in a glass ceiling through which we can slip in and attack. It is a brilliant plan, dear Pumas.
Like you, I fear for our heroine Hillary in the clutches of the evil Nobama. But we must remain brave and stalwart Pumas. We must do the things that our heroine Hillary cannot do now.
Sadly, not all of us can march on Denver. Not all of us have the resources to help pay down Hillary’s debt. Not all of us are gifted at writing letters and emails. But by pooling our energies and resources, we can do great things. Together, we are invincible.
I have to go and watch HGTV so i can cool down…… PEOPLE you are all great and if we had the DEM stand up for what is right,,,,,,, stood up for the rights of the voters we wouldn’t have to be here !!!!
God help us to get it right on our end…love ya all….
He’s a man of change, so he changes leaving a prayer in the wailing wall that is suppose to be compact between man and God to a press event. Who does he think he is?
Meaning that 8 percent are undecided or not sure or voting for someone else. Split that 4 percent and you have “the citizen of the world” at 45 and McCain at 48 or split in once again and you have “the citizen of the world at 47 and McCain at 46.
The new Gallup poll has him up 9 points. If I were old enough I would cry in my drink but I’m not so I’m crying in my water bottle. I don’t know people. America isn’t America anymore. Maybe they are right when they say that we are nothing but mindless zombies. I don’t know but it is so disheartening. I hope the dollar doesn’t weaken to much so I can get a cheap plane ticket out of this joint.
In May, towards the end of the primaries BHO anounced that he will start targeting McCain for the general election, so I thought about it for a couple of hours and then understood: Let BHO be jumping on the horse all over and Hillary work quietly and get the votes. It happened–Hillary won: WV, Ky, SD, and Puerto Rico. So, Hillary has to stay quiet for a while, and then when the dust settles and new material comes out in the books, press and McCain will be all over it. Then she’ll come out as a winner because Super Delegates won’t vote to shoot themselves in the foot. Like they say: The higher up you go, the harder it is to fall.
There were a number of insights in the Lanny Davis interview tonight…the key phrase was………
Team Player
He described himself as a “team player” and Hillary as a “team player”. They are political animals and have been for 30 + years as are the Super Delegates.
The argument that McCain is the boogyman is not grounded in reality. Especially when you take into account McCain’s clear record of not being a team player on the Republican side.
Having said that, Lanny Davis agreed to appear on the show. That was either to tell us what Hillary thinks and dissuade with intellect or to validate Pumas. We can speculate but we have to look at reality.
The key to this is the SD’s and we have to look at WHY they would not support Obama given that they are conditioned and have practiced team play for their political careers.
The Obama campaign has contributed about three times more to SD campaigns and they are no doubt either threatening or offering should Obama become President.
So …we have to be very clear about WHY the SD’s will buck the party line and what kind of leverage we can exercise. Also remember they can cast a secret ballot.
We have to give the SD’s a powerful reason (threat) as to why Hillary should be the nominee and how they will be help accountable if this train wreck actually happens.
Gallup has been in the tank for the American Idol all along. Look at what Jeremy is saying (#603) and this trip did not bump his numbers up that much. McCain has not even really gotten started yet.
I was polled twice:
Once, an in-depth telephone poll about whether I preferred purchasing whole chicken or if I preferred purchasing chicken parts.
The second was about gambling. Took what felt like a half hour.
Now, if a telemarketer gets through, I ask for their home number so that I can call them back at a time when I can give them the time and attention they deserve. (Haven’t had a taker yet).
Don’t let the Gallup Poll get you down. He’s not really moving at Rasmussen. Let’s hope it’s a fluke.
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Sunday, July 27, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows Barack Obama attracts 46% of the vote while John McCain earns 41%. When “leaners” are included, it’s Obama 49% and McCain 44%. McCain’s numbers are up a point from yesterday while Obama’s remain unchanged. Obama is viewed favorably by 56% of voters, McCain by 55%.
I was just going to say that I just saw it on CNN.com about BHO going to the hip doctor.
Please don’t start to holler at me again, but in my audiology program the teacher told us that on the average a person with hip injury ( like broken hip) lives only for 3 years. THIS IS A STATISTIC!!! I hope that BHO will feel better.
And also I think Lanny was speaking in code when he made the statement that he thought 8 years of Obama would be better than 4 years of McCain?
For One: Surely he had to know that the idea of ANY years of Obama would infuriate us to be more resolved in our efforts.
But Two: Why did he limit the McCain side to only 4 years? Why not compare 8 years of Obama to 8 years of McCain?
I think he knows something. If not Hillary in 08 than certainly in 2012. That sentence from Lanny seemed very peculiar to me.
the democratic presumptive nominee should be enjoying a comforable double-digit lead right now. At least 12 points. He should be bouncing from all the democrats flocking to him from their candidates and he should be being buoyed by the glowing press attention he gets between now and the republican convention. This is the honeymoon period for the dem nominee. Kerry and Gore were 10-27 points up against Bush at this point in 2004 and 2000.
Who the hell are these people viewing Obama favorably. They must be on crack. He is a poster child for the nasty politician. Americans need to stop eating those potato chips and watching American Idol and start paying attention.
This is so weird. My computer shows me error message and then when I click “back” button it shows that it went through. Why am I getting the error message?
antifish — yes! I got in email this morning. At first I was hurt, then I thought it was funny and wanted to share it but then I said, nah. post it by all means.
They emailed it to you too?
I read somewhere a comment by a famous poet (can’t remember who) who had spent some years earning money by teaching a correspondence poetry course. His students would send him their poems in the mail (this was the olden days) and he’d comment, critique and send them back. He was a lovely man, but he HATED the job. It broke his heart he said to read these poems coming to him from all over the country. He said, “Receiving someone’s poem in the mail is sort of like receiving a box with their little finger in it.”
I think the American Idol is starting to get scared and since he has waited this long to pick his VP and his numbers are not that great he may just have to look to Clinton’s for help. Who knows what’s been going on behind closed doors but maybe what was decided a few weeks ago is starting to change.
It is great that Cindi got more than enough signatures!
Let’s hope Obummer does not get involved and show Nancy Pelosi how to nullify the signatures like he did in Chicago with Alice Palmer….
andy — from what I could find — 2000 was a LONG time ago in internet years — Gore surged ahead in early August and Bush dipped, resulting in a 10-point lead around this time (I may be off on the exact week).
I don’t want to post it if it hurt your feelings. You shouldn’t let those idiotic bots bother you. All they have is their two cards, Republican and racist. I noticed both were used in the poem. They’re pathetic
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows Barack Obama attracts 46% of the vote while John McCain earns 41%. When “leaners” are included, it’s Obama 49% and McCain 44%.
Murphy—I thought the honeymoon, so to speak, was after the conventions. He has “flamed out” with this European bit. What is left to throttle “it” up? I think that the “citizen of the world” adoration is going to start to become a bore…bore…bore…as the ratings for the media tank…tank…tank… Remedy–”Let’s start asking this wonderful citizen some real questions.”
# 372 PumaAllie, Just made it to your post. I am very grateful for each and every person in the Armed Forces, and that includes our allies. I am extremely proud that these brave men and women are risking their lives daily on behalf of freedom everywhere.
My family has offered this country their service time and time again, always heeding the call, I love and respect each and everyone of them.
Thank you and your family for their service on my behalf, and behalf of my country.
anonymous — no, best case is a 6-point lead. doesnt seem like mccain is really campaigning that hard though, so I discount the poll as being indicative of much. here’s the link.
Wait… I have to leave…
not interested in anything obots have to say… especially about Murphy or any one of us. Why give them any more air time than they already have?
Trish: Did we ever find a direct email address for Jill Padwa from Rhode Island? She was the Jewish superdelegate (on board of their local JCC). I know I couldn’t find it when I was searching.
#653notfollowinthepiedpiper on 07.27.08 at 11:03 pm
#638 Jeremy
”Let’s start asking this wonderful citizen some real questions.”
Even if he (or his speech writer) comes up with some convincing WORDS, it will still be JUST words. His character and credibility still speak louder.
I think the party line dems (who are mostly lawyers) are looking at who McCain would appoint to benches across the country and how many. I suspect that is the biggest threat of a McCain presidency.
I’m wondering if there is an offer to appoint Hillary to the Supreme Court. Wild speculation. BUT wouldn’t that solve a lot of problems…for some…that is.
647 anonymous – I also went to the wailing wall in the 70′s and put my prayer there also. I know how sacred that is, and I really, really take offense to what BO did, and I am not Jewish. I hope this info gets into the MSM and angers others.
Listen my children and you shall hear
Of the midnight ride of Darragh Revere,
In the political campaign of two thousand eight;
She and her kind were stormin’ the gate.
Who remembers that famous primary day,
When mean Darragh said to Ioway:
“If the darkie should win in your state tonight,
Hang a lantern aloft and cry feminist plight,
and unite with me as a beacon of white.”
“One if by land, and two if by sea;
And I for the opposite party will be.”
But wait said some who googled her name,
In campaigns gone by she gave to McSame.
Never to Kerry, not to Gore,
Not a penny to Edwards, nothing more.
“One if by land, and two if by sea;
If you nominate a black, I’m for Hillary.”
She’s ready to ride and spread the hate,
The PUMAs in tow won’t deviate.
The feminist cause on Fox she’ll spew,
Never admitting her racist view.
One if by land, and two if by sea,
PUMAs are for the white nominee.
(Oh well, at least she thinks Hillary is a “nominee”. LOL)
All I have is her husband’s name and info to his office, I think he is a lawyer. I was starting to believe she didn’t exist but she is a real person who in uncommitted from RI where Clinton received 58% of the votes in the primary. This Jill is certainly well hidden.
Is there anyone from RI here who an track her down, after all she is a Superdelegate so someone somewhere has to know her.
The media keeps stating that McCain should quit complaining that BO is the media darling, since McCain was in 2000. Well, it that is true, then being the media darling sure did not help McCain in 2000, so hopefully it will not help BO in 2008.
#653–notfollowing—He has already gave indications of that. He gave one of his press secretaries (Katie C) a slap on the hand when she was trying to get clarification on his position that he wanted to send MORE troops to Afghanistan, after not holding one meeting as chair to this cmte.–#2 he lectured on of the press pool–first name was Chris–that if he wanted to continue to recognized to ask questions, he had better not do it in a way that would “pin him down” on a position. There is the credibility. A speech is one thing–Q&A–forget it.
Thank you for all of your hard work. We need you to be on the news again. Mr. Bower was on CNN. We need more people from Just Say No Deal and PUMA. PLEASE!!!
Murphy – you should be flattered that you matter to some that much that they would write a poem about you. That took some time and effort – which was probably a struggle for the Obamabot.
I am Jewish and take major offense at this publicity stunt of Bo’s. How low can he go? Well, I guess we know the answer to that and more evidence comes in daily. Yet, he numbers rise? I believe that is because people really believe that Hillary is no longer an option and they must choose between McCain and Obama and McCain is not really campaigning right now.
We must work hard to let people know that Hillary is viable still….
I don’t know why I waste so much time being surprised at BO and his appalling tactics…it’s predictable; and preposterous to watch this man rise to the level he has.
We are asking for input. We have no way of knowing what information people would like without asking. Some people who blog here are not registered with the Regional Moderators.
Obama’s had a lead like this in the Gallop Poll before, if I recall. But, it has never lasted. He’s never been able to sustain this kind of a lead. I say, ignore the polls like you can ignore the MSM. The polls will change so many times in the coming months. And, in any case, they don’t really tell us anything we don’t already know: a lot of folks love Obama. The media loves Obama. We’ve got our own agenda, though, and all we can do is remain intensely focused on it and block out the rest of the noise, cause it really is just noise. It’s like the performance training done with athletes and artists: You have the person imagine the thing they’re going to do, be it shoot the ball in the basket, perform the cello piece just as they would like, etc. and you practice that mental discipline over and over. You don’t focus on imagining the worst, failing, not achieving your goal. It’s not something you can do just one or pull out of your hat in a crisis. It takes work every day. And, over time, it helps you hone your skills and sharpen your focus (in this case, our claws!) and maximize your chances of achieving what you want.
Who knows if this will unfold as we want it to. But, it’s our job to stay focused on our mission. The rest is everyone else’s problem. And at the end of the day, it will be what it is. If we are victorious in the tangible outcome, all the better. But, no matter what we will be victorious. We already are because we are actively engaging in democracy. We are empowering ourselves with our voices. We can go to sleep at the end of the day knowing we did the right thing. What more can any human do.
Hang in there everyone. We all have bad days, bad moments. But we’re doing the right thing.
Trish: Thanks. I sent the western wall bit to ALL my local Rabbis (including Chabad, Hillel, etc.), and to the email address for the JCC in Rhode Island that she is the Associate Treasurer for.
Evening all.
Why all the concern over the polls (andy). Did Mcain do anything terrible? No. Did whats his face do anything spectacular? No. So what could possibly cause such a sudden shift? Nothing. It is a statistical oddity. Thats all.
If something had occurred we would know the reason for a real shift.
If you put a thousand monkeys at typewriters for a thousand years one of them would write Deans biography. Or maybe all would in the first twenty minutes.
#682Your northern neighbor on 07.27.08 at 11:18 pm
Dances/Anti
-Commuication system between Pumas in Denver
-Buddy system set up
-Plan to deal with Emergency/health problems
-Plan to deal with unfriendly Obama supporters
-plan to deal with Police if necessary
679 pa dem – I do not know a lot about the Jewish religion, so please excuse my ignorance. Is there a head Rabbi somewhere that this info could be sent to?
I agree. The “poem” is trash, but it’s important that we show people who read this blog what we are up against on a daily basis. This is so typical of the insults I receive every day when I’m out blogging. I’m sure everyone here has weathered the Obamabot Republican/racist attack at one time or another.
NOBAMA is plain and simple PARASITE! The man has NO RESPECT for the WAILING WALL; for him it was PURE and SIMPLE PHOTO-OPS. What NOBAMA had done by giving a copy of his supposedly prayer only known to him and God to a NEWSPAPER, he DESECRATED a HOLY PLACE respected by christians, Jewish and other faith around the world!
Predictable Ad from a Preventable Mistake–It is long but already look at the damage control and spin taking place.
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“”Well, this ad was as predictable as it was preventable. The back and forth in the Wall Street Journal says it all:
Sen. Obama was flying from London to Chicago Saturday when the McCain campaign issued a statement from Joe Repya, a retired Army colonel who said Sen. Obama had broken a commitment to visit the wounded Americans, “instead flitting from one European capital to the next.”
“Several explanations were offered, none was convincing and each was at odds with the statements of American military leaders in Germany and Washington,” Mr. Repya said. “For a young man so apt at playing president, Barack Obama badly misjudged the important demands of the office he seeks. Visits with world leaders and speeches to cheering Europeans shouldn’t be a substitute for comforting injured American heroes.”
In turn, Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor said Sens. Obama and McCain both believed that troops should be honored and noted that the Illinois senator had visited troops in Iraq and Afghanistan last week and had made numerous trips to Washington’s Walter Reed Army Medical Center. Sen. Obama still didn’t want injured soldiers “pulled into the back-and-forth of a political campaign,” Mr. Vietor said in a statement.
“That’s why we imagine Sen. McCain would be surprised that his campaign released this wildly inappropriate accusation that politicizes the issue,” Mr. Vietor said.
McCain can get away with this because of his own biography. That’s why it was a big mistake not to get that he’d use it. Obama, of all people, knows how this type of hardball politics is played. He proved to be a master at it in the primary season.
This is the stuff and subject matter Republicans lap up and push forward with gusto. You just don’t hand them the weapon, especially not on the troops. It doesn’t matter that the script is as insulting as it is absurd. The effectiveness of the ad goes to the perception of Obama being a glory hound and like it or not if McCain and his team can make this stick, Obama’s going to spend the rest of the general responding to it. First huge mistake from team Obama of the post primary season campaign. Letting McCain define him through one of the GOP’s favorite standard talking fantasy points about Democrats: we don’t support the troops. Remember, it doesn’t matter that it’s a ludicrous notion. It doesn’t matter that McCain has a worse record on veterans’ issues, including ignoring Webb’s new GI bill. It matters if the public buys it. We’ll see if it sticks, but Obama left himself wide open for this one. A totally unforced error that was candidate inflicted.
On the west coast, “Meet the Press” hasn’t aired yet, nor have the other Sunday show in their entirety. We’ll see if Brokaw and Obama talk about it today or who else brings it up. You east coasters can respond if you’ve already seen it.
It’s clear Obama and his team made a calculated decision that visiting wounded troops would have looked like political grandstanding. The reality is that a politician will always be given cover when it comes to showing empathy towards wounded soldiers, the benefit of the doubt. But no one gets a pass for not showing up, no matter how sincere the reason. That’s military politics 101. There’s no way around it.
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UPDATE: Obama’s team is in full damage control on this one. From “Face the Nation” today, but it’s hardly convincing:
BOB SCHIEFFER: Senator Reed, now you’ve done a lot of these trips. They call them “codels,” “congressional delegations,” go. Are you ever allowed to take cameras when you go in to visit wounded troops? I thought that was sort of the general rule that everybody knew about.
JACK REED: I don’t think Senator Obama would have done that. Senator Hagel, Senator Obama and I visited the combat support hospital at Baghdad to thank those nurses, those doctors, to see patients that were there, to bring a bit of greetings from home and profound thanks. That should be in the ad that Senator McCain is running. I think Senator Obama made a very wise choice. Any suggestion that a visit to a military hospital would be political, he made the wise choice not to go. But when you were in Baghdad we made a point at the end of a very exhausting day to go in and see these magnificent young Americans and those doctors and nurses that give such tremendous care without a lot of fanfare, just to say thanks. He did it—the same thing. We went—we didn’t stay in Kabul. We went to Jalalabad to see the soldiers of the 173rd. We stopped in Basra to see our soldiers down there. We went into Anbar province to see soldiers there. That is a completely distorted, and, I think, inappropriate advertisement.
CHUCK HAGEL: Let me add to that. As you know, Bob, the congressional delegation that you referred to ended when we parted in Jordan. At that point, it was a political trip for Senator Obama. I think it would have been inappropriate for him and certainly he would have been criticized by the McCain people and the press and probably should have been if on a political trip in Europe paid for by political funds—not the taxpayers—to go, essentially, then and be accused of using our wounded men and women as props for his campaign. I think the judgment there—and I don’t know the facts by the way. I know what you’ve just read. No one has asked me about it other than what you’ve just asked about. But I think it would be totally inappropriate for him on a campaign trip to go to a military hospital and use those soldiers as props. So I think he probably, based on what I know, he did the right thing. We saw troops everywhere we went on the congressional delegation. We went out of our way to see those troops. We wanted to see those troops. And that’s part of our job to see those troops, by the way, and listen to those troops, Bob. And we did.
BOB SCHIEFFER: Do you think that ad was appropriate?
Well it has ben a good weekend I have to say, Got two more coming here and guess what? One of them is a green party member. I think we can find a lot of support over there so if you know any greens give them a holler.
I have to deal with a union activist next week I was talking to today. He said he and his union will be supporting *61 because he is a democrat.
I argued that if he knew everything I know he wouldn’t even consider supporting precious, he agreed to hear me out next week.
This will be fun.
So far I have brought 14 people on board. If I can pull this one in I want a cookie. And chocolate milk too.
686 Not exactly…although there are organizations for each sect of Judaism that are headed by individual rabbis, and those organizations have contact information. Give me a sec to look them up. Here are the interesting excerpts for anyone wanting to contact local synagogues:
“Ma’ariv issued a response Sunday, saying that “Obama’s note was published in Ma’ariv and other international publications following Obama’s authorization to make the content of the note public. Obama submitted a copy of the note to media outlets when he left his hotel in Jerusalem. Moreover, since Obama is not Jewish, there is no violation of privacy as there would be for a Jewish person who places a note in the Western Wall.”
In a world tour filled with media stunts, the low point must be Obama’s visit to the Western Wall, Judaism’s holiest site.
While Obama looked as if he were in prayer at the Western Wall, sharing in the tradition of writing one’s message to God and placing the note in a crevice of the ancient stones, international media — Obama’s God? — already were reading the note.
Prior to leaving the King David Hotel, Obama gave copies of the note to the media. We know this only because The Israeli newspaper, Ma’ariv came under attack for publishing their copy.
Here are some ideas of people/places to contact regarding a request for support/public statement regarding Obama’s sinful use of the Wailing Wall as a PR opportunity. I don’t know if any of these ideas will pan out, but thought I’d give them a try and share with the rest if anyone else was interested:
“I do not know a lot about the Jewish religion, so please excuse my ignorance. Is there a head Rabbi somewhere that this info could be sent to?”
I find that you can look in your local yellow pages for the local synagogues… then search on the Internet to see if these synagogues have websites… most do. Usually there will also be links to write to the Rabbi at these synagogues.
#699Your northern neighbor on 07.27.08 at 11:28 pm
I have something to show you, every hannukah they do a festival of lights in Toronto, its amazing, lighted images are placed throughout the city. So this past winter I took photos of them, I can send them if you like, or I can upload them to flicker.
I don’t think we have to litter our blog with obot trash.
We all know what we’re dealing with… we’re aware of teh accusations and vile sexist and racist comments. We don’t have to parade it and rub each other’s noses in it.
And, we don’t have to give ignorant miscreants air time on our dime. They take enough of our time by coming in here masquerading.
Personally, this is a relatively safe harbor, and I for one don’t want to read anything they have to say… especially when it denigrates Murphy, or anyone else who is working so constructively. Their blind allegiance to their candy-date tells me all I need to know about them. All of them.
A slam dunk? If meaning in “spin” maybe. The last part will give you hairs. The point I am trying to make with this is that if there is ONLY a 7 – 9 point ADVANTAGE favoring the Citizen of the World, we are now in the first phase and continual “Barry Burn Out.”
Obama’s #2
“Meet the Press” was a slam dunk for Obama. He was relaxed, on point and unruffled. After the break he was asked The Question:
MR. BROKAW: Well, let me–you, you had a conversation with a prominent Hillary fundraiser that got reported in the Los Angeles Times, in which she asked you–she’s still a fan of, of Hillary, and she said…
SEN. OBAMA: So am I.
MR. BROKAW: And is she on your list?
SEN. OBAMA: I think Hillary Clinton–I’ve said–this one I can actually answer, because I’ve said consistently that I think Hillary Clinton would be on anybody’s short list. She, she is one of the most effective, intelligent, courageous leaders that we have in the Democratic Party.
MR. BROKAW: And according to the woman that you were talking to, you said that “we just don’t know what to do about Bill,” or something to that effect.
SEN. OBAMA: Oh, you know, I maybe–I think that a lot of conversations get characterized. I think that not only do I want Hillary Clinton campaigning with me, I want Bill Clinton, one of the smartest men in the history of politics, involved in our campaign. But I’m not going to, I’m not going to spill the beans here….
The reason I bring this up, besides the fact that Obama didn’t say anything new, is because of something I read on Politico today:
Barack Obama’s vice presidential search team has floated the name of a member of President Bush’s first-term Cabinet, Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman, as Obama’s running mate.
No idea at all about the reality factor on this one, but it proves one thing for sure. It’s the silly months of summer. I think a “unity” ticket with a Republican is an awful idea.
Watch Barack and Brokaw if you haven’t yet seen it. Obama is a cool customer, that’s for sure.
I keep getting kicked out of here so I will take my leave tonight……
I will send the links about the Wailing Wall to everyone tomorrow.
Also, Anna7000, Barney Franks is married to Ann Lewis who was one of Hillary’s senior advisors on the campaign. Hope this blog makes it. See you guys later……
There’s also the Jewish Federation. They have chapters in several major cities. This just happens to be the link to the one in LA, but if you google “jewish federation” you’ll get a lot of hits for chapters in many different cities and if you live in one of those metropolitan areas, you could always consider contacting them to see if they want to champion this issue.
Lorelai – I didn’t know Congressman Frank was married. I used to live in Boston and was so proud that he was my representative, but I thought he was gay and very out of the closet. That’s interesting about Ann Lewis.
Right…polls and “poems” are all diversions. (The poem is comical you have to admit). We have two target objectives here. 1) Hillary in nomination, and 2) Persuading the SD’s to support Hillary’s nomination, then 3) Party reform.
I disagree with Lanny. I don’t think there is any teeth to party reform unless Obama is a loosing proposition…either as a candidate (please God) or a President (in which case we all loose a great deal). The SD’s are about securing their positions within the party and then they will talk about party reform. We are asking them to risk their office/power base based on conscience and electability for the Office of President which they will not do if it put their public office at risk. The SD’s are going to respond to money and public outcry in significant numbers. We have to give it to them.
Anyone can make speeches including me, but point but shrewd wins over emotions in politics.
That should be a great start. We really need to focus on the less conservative groups because the more orthodox, the more republican their views are anyway.
I think a “unity” ticket with a Republican is perfect for BO. It will lose him the rest of his ultra-left wing disciples. Those that stayed around after the FISA flip-flop and the faith-based initiative expansion policy declaration.
#708– Northern Neighbor–Uggghh! I am your Southern Neighbor in Texas—”slam dunk” is a TX reference used broadly as something that is “easy”–”not taking effort”–and you would be dumb A– if you could not accomplish.” No comparison was intended and it is a dang sham Tenet has messed it up.
None of what you posted was my intention. I stand by my previous statement. I thought the “poem” was funny and that it reveals the mindset of the typical bot. I certainly was not trying to parade or rub anyone’s nose in anything and I resent your inference to that effect. Please save your soapbox for you enemies. I’m not there.
None of what you posted was my intention. I stand by my previous statement. I thought the “poem” was funny and that it reveals the mindset of the typical bot. I certainly was not trying to parade or rub anyone’s nose in anything and I resent your inference to that effect. Please save your soapbox for you enemies. I’m not there.
TOPIC: Keeping lines of communication open at Howard Dean’s Magical Mystery Bus Tour
Hi Puma friends!
As I was driving down the highway of life today heading north on this vacation, I kept thinking about Howard Dean being confronted by all us wonderful PUMA’s while on his bus tour.
First to say, I am SO proud of all of my fellow PUMAS turning out to take part in democracy in action. However my feeling is that we need to walk a delicate line between being assertive and coming across as angry and confrontational. I also think it’s more powerful when you come from a place of supporting someone or something, like Hillary or open rollcall, than being against something.
I think it might help our cause as PUMAS most if we can stand in support of Hillary, confront Dean as need-be, and not attack or assault the guy verbally. I’m not saying anyone has done this at all! (Texassherry knows how proud I was of her being the First Puma to set a good example for all the rest of us)!
Mainly, I just don’t think Dean’s going to be all that easy to convince about Hillary. Also, I think he still needs to warm up to the idea that an open convention is a good idea (because the Dems will come out of it w/a stronger candidate).
In short, I think it best if we wait to get “in his face” until it’s much closer to convention because I don’t think it’s good if he’s totally alienated from our cause from the get-go.
Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t show up in force, chant when appropriate, carry signs in support of Hillary and open rollcall, carry signs showing what the polls are saying, cheer if Hillary’s name is mentioned, etc.!
Well I hope this makes some sense (cause I had a wine cooler & then an alaska ale & I’m a light drinker)! urp!!
Carry on, good Pumas…And most of all, I cannot wait for Denver!!!!
Joe Lieberman is a great idea, though the last time I contacted him I got one of those, if you don’t live in my state I can’t address your issue kind of a deal. But, I’ll try again with this, especially now that he’s campaigning for McCain.
BO has made big promises to Dean, Pelosi and Brazile, that is why they continue to stand behind a loser.
They want what they want and to hell with the American people and their votes!
This is all about bribery, plain and simple. We should not allow these bloodsuckers into office in the first place. We were made promises just like BO is promising now {only we don’t exactly know what he is promising}, and we know what that got us, impeachment is off the table. Excuse me, but did we owe Bush a damn thing? Why is impeachment off the table? Now it seems a good time to bring it back right? Soon it will be re-election time and then what will those promises be?
I think Nancy wants the VP, and Donna wants Sec. of State, I believe they have been promised some big political promotion and we will be left holding the bag, the bag of s*it that BO has left for us to pick up.
I will never vote for BO, I am not white and I am not a republican, I am a voter who wants what is best for my country, Hillary is what is best for us, if the DNC fails to recognize that then for the first time in my 33 voting years, I will be forced by my own party to vote for a republican. I will not vote for the party, I will vote for the man!
I would much rather vote for the best woman, but unless that right is given to me and 18 million others, my vote is for McCain.
God Help Us.
Hey Pumas just wanted to let ya know that I just got off of youtube and there was a post on their that stated that we had a worm reading our blogs but he went by another name.He said that we were argueing about who to vote for in NOV. I posted that it wasn’t argueing it was discussing our options. Just wanted to give everybody a heads up.Also found this great video titled “I was wrong to promise An undivided Jerusalem” Charles Gibson is interviewing Obama and giving him h**L iT’S GREST AND MAYBE IT WILL MAKE EVERY ONE FEEL BETTER YA KNOW OVER THE POLLS AND ALL. I sent it to Hannity,O’reilly,rush and BRitt Hume.
Listen my children and you shall hear
Of the courageous ride of Darragh Revere
One if by land two if by sea
On the side of Democracy is where she shall be
No cowards would join this noble ride
Tyrants could flee but nowhere could hide
Truth is her armor as bright as could be
Blinding the corrupt forcing to flee
ON through the night Darragh continued her ride
Calling to PUMAS, quick to my side
A mighty roar was heard in the night
Along with Darragh ready to fight
An army of Pumas stood undeterred
Until the song of truth was finally heard
One if by land two if by sea
Standing with Darragh is where you’ll find me
You silly Puma! I’m not going anywhere. Let’s throw the “poem” into the dustbin of history to, hopefully, soon be joined by one Barack Obama, presidential poseur and wannabe ascendant to the throne of Earth!
Listen folks, if Lanny didn’t think we were doing the right thing, do you honestly think that he would have come on to the radio show? He validated us with the show. Come on, lets work at getting those petitions signed by pledged delegates in at least six states. We need six states with 50 delegates, or more than six states with at least 300 pledged delegates with notorized signatures on the state petitions. We can do this.
Welcome to the Platfom Committee Issue! One of the missions of IOwnMyVote.com is to make sure that the Platform Committee of the Democratic National Convention hears Hillary’s 18 million voters.
We’ve been derelict in our duty. While we were distracted by Obama’s Rainbow Tour we ignored emails from the Obama campaign asking us to hold primary platform meetings and to submit our ideas to the DNC and the campaign. Forgive us. We look at all Obama campaign requests with a heavy dose of skepticism.
That was a a mistake. After some thought we’ve realized that we should never shrink from an opportunity to be heard. Moreover, while most Obama supporters probably had between 20 and 100 people at their meetings, we can send a message of what Hillary supporters all over the country want.
Take action now! Tonight we ask that you take part in our Virtual Platform Committee Meeting.
Right now, click on this link and take five minutes to tell us which planks you want in the platform and which ones you don’t. You will be heard.
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Good Morning PUMA Family
Here’s something from Bill Cosby, a very interesting read:
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‘They’re standing on the corner and they can’t speak English.
I can’t even talk the way these people talk:
Why you ain’t,
Where you is,
What he drive,
Where he stay,
Where he work,
Who you be…
And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk.
And then I heard the father talk.
Everybody knows it’s important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can’t be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth.
In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.
People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now we’ve got these knuckleheads walking around.
The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.
These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids.
$500 sneakers for what?
And they won’t spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.
I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.
Where were you when he was 2?
Where were you when he was 12?
Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn’t know that he had a pistol?
And where is the father? Or who is his father?
People putting their clothes on backward:
Isn’t that a sign of something gone wrong?
People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn’t that a sign of something?
Isn’t it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body?
What part of Africa did this come from??
We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don’t know a thing about Africa ……
I say this all of the time. It would be like white people saying they are European-American. That is totally stupid.
I was born here, and so were my parents and grand parents and, very likely my great grandparents. I don’t have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany, Scotland, England, Ireland, or the Netherlands. The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans as regards to Africa. So stop, already! ! !
With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap …… and all of them are in jail.
Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person’s problem.
We have got to take the neighborhood back.
People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different ‘husbands’ — or men or whatever you call them now.
We have millionaire football players who cannot read.
We have million-dollar basketball players who can’t write two paragraphs. We, as black folks have to do a better job.
Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.
We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.
We cannot blame the white people any longer.’
This race card NOBAMA and his croonies are using does not fly anymore.
Asian,
Thanks for posting that. You do know, they threw Bill Cosby under the bus when he came out with his book tour on the subject. Seems they really don’t want to hear the truth.
I know it is killing me but I am watching Obama on meet the press. Is the vien popping out of Obama forehead a new one? I hope somewhere he feeling a little preasure as I don’t think he can not hanle anything other than being adorn.
#3 sandtraps Meet the press doesn’t come on here to 6pm so you’re have to tell me if I need boots for all the sh*t, or a barf bag or both and sunglasses to block the glow from my TV site as he speaks.
Henrietta from the previous thread, where is the link for this, I looked on contraian.com, however, can’t locate. Thanks
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/
McCain Ad Says Obama Visited Gym Instead of Troops
Slyt2 meet the press same old stuff–Obama is all knowing . Fair questions from Tom( I think Obama probably had them prior) .At least From Tom , I don’t feel like he he has a tinkle running up his leg.
My typing is bad, as usual, I looked here, but could not find…
http://www.contrariancommentary.com/community/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx
Good morning all: Opened my e-mail this AM to find a response to one of my mass superdelegate pledge to Senator Clinton. Responder was SD Saxe. Sent out quite a few states, so don’t know which state, but she sent me a one liner saying, HOW ABOUT PAYING OFF SENATOR CLINTON DEBT”.
Forgive my ignorance here everyone, but what is she saying? she can’t be a nominee unless your campaign debt is paid in full. I e-mailed her back that we are collectively/personallycontributing toward her debt.
just saw McCain on George S
God please…….LET HILLARY WIN…..WE NEED HER….
we have to pitiful choices to run our country…..I am just sick.
http://time-blog.com/swampland/
Obama Arrives Home, to a Not-So-Warm Welcome from McCain
July 26, 2008 10:22, Posted by Karen Tumulty |
The charter landed about a half-hour ago in Chicago, to news that the McCain campaign has launched what Halperin is calling its “toughest attack ad yet.” But there’s a little problem with this line:
And now, he made time to go to the gym, but cancelled a visit with wounded troops.
Sure enough, the accompanying footage shows Obama playing basketball … with the troops in Kuwait.
Ok thanks sandtraps, I don’t think I would watch it anyway but if I did I need to be prepared in my “protective clothes”. Hmm no tinkle up the leg he maybe taken out back and dealt with.lol
John McCain is on Conklin and company right now, don’t know if you all can get it on or not. Lee Conklin is a local newsman here in Ohio but it could be a national show don’t know.
I was just reading some of Gretas blogs:
The Obama’s do not give gifts to their children on Birthdays or Christmas. What does that tell you. Can you imagine no Christmas at the White House? He says he is Christain, that such a lie! Just read the People Magazine article and you will see for your self.
from downstairs:
#201 Storytellers
“Obama: The Man Behind The Mask” by Andy Martin
I read that release date was suppose to be 7-25. I pre-ordered at amazon. It is not yet in stock, will ship as soon as available.
I read that book is already in 3rd printing.
If you order at orangestatepress you get autographed copy.
#14
THAT IS VERY SERIOUS¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
that actually means
that he is aginst
our culture
our institutions
our way of living
I think moslems do that….
thank you
Henerieta & Pouncing Puma
I am living abroad, I am unable to see all tv co
morning all Wright is supposed to come out with a book too in Sept. or Oct. After it could help Hillary
prowland:
Most black churches do not celebrate Christmas or Easter in the commercial way.Because it is a man made holiday. They celebrate the birth of Christ, but do not have xmas trees, gifts etc. They also do not allow halloween etc. Mostly it is the Pentecostal’s that don’t. Not the baptist etc.
Link for Andy Martin book:
http://www.orangestatepress.com/
16 Storyteller I believe thats true. There is so much I wish would come out in time. I think his campaigned fought the Muslim idea to fast to strong. He did have a closed meeting at th eMosque in Colorado. The largest one here in this country. Gaddafi said he was fellow Muslim when h eendorsed him so did Farrakhan. Wish there was a way to prove it.
I SORRY I HAVING PROBLEMS @ KEY BOARD
the book has been commented on tv.???????
14 prowlland on 07.27.08 at 11:03 am
The O’s don’t give birthday or Christmas gifts to their children??? What’s their reason for this? What religion do they belong to? What Christian does not give gifts; it’s started by the Wise Men. That church he belonged to is not Christian. What preacher gets up and says, turn to your neighbor and say the government, lies. That church is nothing more than a political, anti American, Anti-White political movement, disguised and covered up with their twisted verion of Christianity.
Was talking briefly to my married son this morning. We got on the topic of politics and he mentioned to me in one particular sentence, well, ma, it’s over, Hillary lost because she conceeded and gave in.
I explained to him the difference between the words “presumtive” nominee, and that the *real* nominee isn’t chosen until the August Convention, and that Hillary can still be voted in.
His reply was most valuable to those here. Said he,
“Well, that is interesting ma, because those of us at the Post Office are all Hillary Clinton supporters, and man, would they love to see her as our President because she worked for us, and cares about us, unlike that Obama dude.”
Hit the postal services, folks!!!
I never heard of pent. not celebrating the only ones here I have heard of is Johova Witness.I imagin Muslims wouldn’t. Holoween is supposed to be from pagan holiday a lot dont allow that.Might be a good thing to check on will try.( My spelling is yuk sorry)
prplvette85 on 07.27.08 at 11:16 am
Is this true? You say pentecostal, and that is quite strict correct?
Posted under todays story on AOL
11:05 AMJul 27 2008
I am and Air Force NCO deployed to Bagram Afghanistan. When Obama stopped here for lunch he didnt visit troops he visited with the brass and had a couple pictures taken with a few choice young GI’s. I did eveything to try to shake the mans hand and look in his eyes to see what kind of man he is but it never happened. For all of you who bash the US military. Come here take a look in our hospital its full of Afghan children women and men missing hands arms legs. They are in our hospital because of mines, not our mines the mines the USSR and many other countries made to look like toys and laid them all over the place. This country has more mines than any other. We the US put ZERO on the ground. We clear hundres of them a week. We have lost troops doing this. Dont belive me get on a plane and get over here if you have the guts. My soal has been forever touched by a beautiful little girl with a huge smile missing a leg. You want to bash us for making her smile when she has no damn reason …
Great idea Cosmeta, will do. Drive by one almost every day. Will pass out those flyers.
cosmeta – It’s amazing how many HRC supporters truly believe that she ended her campaign rather than jsut suspend it. I had to correct a supporter yesterday. He was stunned.
ok
jews obviously do not celebrate xmas
but do celebrate birthday, etc
buy gifts 4 others…….
#19 prplvette85, I was raised in a Pentecostal church, my grandmother was an ordained minister and missionary. Your statement is incorrect. We always celebrated Birthdays with presents, Christmas with gifts and decorated trees. Perhaps you are mixing your statement with the Jehovah Witness belief?
With regard to my postal carrier, son….
I am wondering if a list can be compiled of all Hillary’s constituent groups. They should all be contacted in some way, shape or form, because I betcha a lot of them are just like my son, thinking it’s all over.
We MUST stress the point to people that we are STILL inside of the PRIMARY PROCESS and that a nominee is not selected/voted in until the August Convention.
We MUST stress to them that the General Election does not offically begin until the democratic August Convention and the September republican Convention.
We are still in Primary Season
We are still in Primary Season
We are still in Primary Season
We are still in Primary Season
We are still in Primary Season
We are still in Primary Season
We are still in Primary Season
We are still in Primary Season
We are still in Primary Season
20 pouncing thanks for link what do you think about this book?
Rep. Steve Geller is going to drop his lawsuit against the DNC re FL because BO is assuring him that all delegates will be seated with a full vote! How convenient for him, why not NOW! I suggest a prowl to Steve Geller and ask that he not drop the lawsuit and if FL going to be seated in full, that should be done BEFORE the convention. If you call the Senator, just give them any Florida zip code. I’m probably going to call and fax him tomorrow once I get his fax number.
http://www.ballot-access.org/
Tallahassee Office:
Room 228
Senate Office Building
404 South Monroe Street
Tallahassee, FL
32399-1100
(850) 487-5097
Senate VOIP 5097
Email:
geller.steven.web@
flsenate.gov
McCain was saying Ohio (where I live) is totally up for grabs that is why he has been here like 9 times since primaries and BO like none(maybe once) anyways I will for sure get flyer’s in post offices
27 nh thank you for that post
So when we talk to people, we should avoid using the word, “election” because that conjures up the image of the general election.
Use the word, PRIMARY
Use the word, PRIMARY
Use the word, PRIMARY
HILLARY IN ’08
There can be no other!
This is what i post when i hear that….i copied from somewhere :
FOUR THINGS TO KNOW ABOUT DENVER
1. Senator Clinton has only suspended her campaign. She has not conceded and never offered a statement of concession which is traditional when someone is no longer a candidate. She did not officially end her candidacy which she could have chosen to do. She is still technically a candidate.
2. Senator Clinton has not released her delegates. Releasing or asking her delegates to support Senator Obama is also something she could have done. She has not. All of Senator Clinton’s delegates won during the primary season are still committed to her and can cast their votes for her at the convention as long as her name is on the ballot.
3. Super delegates public declarations do not count. They can change their minds ( as some did during the primary). They are not committed to any of their public declarations. Nothing counts until they cast their votes in Denver on August 27th.
4.Superdelegates cast their votes in a secret ballot. Unless they themselve choose to reveal who they vote for, no one can know.
When you talk to people, say,
I hope Hillary wins the Primaries.
If they respond, Are you kidding… she lost.
That’s your in…
USE iT
I hope Pa and Ohio and NY will go McCain if not Hillary. I am trying anyway:) A lot of Dems in Ny that have been true dems forever will vote McCain. I know it isn’t much but our family and friends there are over 30 in this little area going McCain
Virginia is a state we need to turn around he has wall to wall workers there he wants it so bad. If we could do something there if we need to would be good.
#34 ladyhawkke
Thanks for the information. I think I will do the same.
I think we need to let people know also it is very important to find out if you can write Hillary in. I know alot of people who say I’m just gonna write her in well that may not work. I believe it was Will Bower on the radio gave out a link to what states do and don’t allow write in’s and I still have that. I know Ohio doesn’t and I’m trying to explain that to people. How can we make people understand that may not be the answer???????
39 Cosmeta good and sure will use it
ALL PUMAS
If you want the inside information on what Donna Brazile has been up to , click on the link under her name at the top of the page and read the city edition article about her ties to Karl Rove. This is amazing stuff!
#26 Flowerchild – yes , they are very strict. Sort of on the same lines as the Jehova’s Witness, but they believe in Jesus. Some Pentacostal Churches are stricter than others. How I know is I am Italian, my husband is black. When we moved to Texas, we were searching for a church to go to where we both would be accepted. Not an easy thing to do in Texas by the way. I went to my first Pentacostal Church. Whew, I was really lost…..They were talking in tongues, passing out on the floor, hollering and scraming, I was in shock. My husband laughed at me cuz I did not know what to do. Needless to say we did not go back to that one….I am not knocking them, it is just not me…I was the only woman with make up on and a short skirt ( not a mini, just to my knees) ….I felt like a harlet lol…..to me it felt like they were looking like is this her pimp lol………we have been married for 17 years…but we still have to watch where we go…..it is not easy, we get the racism thing from both sides lol
34 Lady could you give us a couple zips to chose from and use?
#1 Asian4Hillary I admire and respect Bill Cosby as much as anyone I can think of. I haven’t watched a comedy since “The Cosby Show” ended. It was the gold standard of comedies.
I know he was criticized for making speeches to AA. He told them they were to blame for their children being in jail and not in school. He said they wanted everything given to them. How right he is..
sandipuma, this is a repeat from yesterdays’ thread. I always seem to get in at the end..
The post about the shirt cracked me up. I said the very same thing. It looked like it was painted on me, and that wasn’t good.
I wear a medium, sometimes a large in Alfred Dunner tops, so I thought a large would be fine. I think it would have been if it had not been the stretchy material.
It will go in my closet with my Hillary shirt that is a large in men’s and goes down to my knees. I just can’t get anything right.. LOL…
The only religion I know that does not celebrate Christmas or Easter is the Jehovah Witnesses (sp).
There are so many things wrong with nobama. We can not let him win.
There are things I disagree with John McCain about. However, I know he is a Christian and a war hero. He is a decent man. That is enough for me..
Btw, Hillary is a Methodist; so am I..
PUMA POWER
=^..^=
Here’s to a great Sunday for all of us PUMAS.
#43 slyt2
it is http://writehillaryin.com/
Ohio write-in for Hillary.
The only way you can write in Hillary’s name and have it count in Ohio is “if” Hillary files a Declaration of Intent by September 3, 2008. This info came straight for the Ohio Secretary of State Office.
got to run a bit check in later have a super day all
My M-I-L and S-I-L live in Weston Fl., zip is:
33321- use that one tomorrow, I will-
See ladyhawke #34 for contact Florida tomorrow
#31 Ohio- No, I am not mixing them up. I am talking about Black Pentacostal Churches, There is a big difference in the Black Pentacostals, and the white churches. I have been to both. So I can see where you are coming from.
#46 prplvette85, I adamantly disagree with your assessment of the Pentecostal Church. Perhaps the church you visited was NOT truly a Pentecostal Church.
#17 storytellers
No comments on TV yet. I think copies were pre-released to the media. Perhaps they are waiting for general release….but remember we cannot count on our biased news coverage.
Don’t feel bad about not being able to see our TV….your g.i. (gastro-intestinal) health will be better for it.
#33 jane-pa
Haven’t received my copy as yet.
Oh how I wish someone could talk to Hillary directly or at least one of her higher up supporters and to ask them point blank:
What would it take for Hillary to reactivate her campaign?
I am wondering if it would take a certain number of petitioned signatures….
Other than the delegates and superdelegates….
But, from her supporters!!!
#49 prplvette85 thanks for the link but I already have it my concern is there are people out there in states (mine included) saying they will just write her in (that’s what my husband was going to do till I showed him it wouldn’t count). Anyways I guess I am just trying to figure out how many people are planning on doing that (some states a vote for her will be a vote for BO) and how we can let them know it may not count.
#43 slyt2
Re: Write-in rules for 2008
http://www.mfoster.com/misc/write-in_rules_2008.html
#54 go_Ohio_Lady,
I know you don’t understand, because I did not either. There really is a big difference in the predominately Black churches vs the white churches. I am simply giving my view on the many Pentecostal Churches my husband and I went to in Texas, and in Chicago and Indiana. Black churches are very different, in the way they conduct their services, and on their teachings. I know some of the churches now call themselves Evangelical Churches.
try this link for Andy Martin:
http://www.ContrarianCommentary.com.
A PERSONAL OPINION and a FACT are two different things. I do not wish to have a personal debate with any of our members but I do insist that we try to establish opinion from fact for all the People reading our blog.
#48 catsrlove:
Thanks for stirring up a fond memory for me….your mention of Hillary’s religion.
It was my first post as a PUMA regarding the “great unity-coming-together’ where *61 was constantly touching Hillary. I was shouting at the TV for him to get his hands off her….”She’s a Methodist woman, for God’s sake!”
Hi ya’ll,
Just here for a minute but wanted to post this:
I can’t believe it. Senator Chuck Hagle on Face the Nation said that McCain’s commercial was inappropriate and not true. because he said Obama’s decision not to visit the hospital was the right one since that part of the trip was part of his campaign. He is a Republican and bashed McCain. He also said he didn’t know who he would vote for in Nov. since he will put country before party. Ouch!! I bet McCain is pissed at him. Wow.
#61, Well all I can tell you it is a fact that is what they taught in the Churches we went to. The churches had Pentecostal in their names. I am not an expert on the Pentecostal church. I have no reason to say anything other than the truth. I am not putting down any church, especially yours. I am just saying, based on what I experienced, it was not for me. Is yours a Black church? Maybe the difference is how the two different races choose to believe, Not the name of the church.
#34 Ladyhawkk – BO and Florida
That is very interesting. I live in Florida. BO is nonexistant here. No bumper stickers or posters. Very little press and mostly negative comments on any blogs. I, myself have frequently suggested that, since BO decided we should have only half a vote, that all our SD should compensate Clinton by all voting for her.
Florida Democrats can make our votes count. So BO would be much better off looking like he is being fair.
Florida is populated with the most broad range of diversity of just about any state in the country. It is not a real good place for racists and the race card will not play here. So how would that look if Florida said NO to BO?
2 more Florida zips is 34450 and 34452
Thank you both for the link(#58 mcr 1 prplvette85) but I do not need it. I have it. I was just trying to think out loud I guess if anyone knew how we could get the word out to all states. I can copy my list and paste it all over town but that’s not gonna help people in Michigan and Virginia and NH and Vermont and so on.
I live in FL Tampa Bay area, I have seen only one obama sticker, s few anti obama ones including the ones on my sons truck and only my own Hillary ones HILLARY for president and Hillary supporters for Mccain.
34 ladyhawkke on 07.27.08 at 11:27 am, WROTE,
[[ Rep. Steve Geller is going to drop his lawsuit against the DNC re FL because BO is assuring him that all delegates will be seated with a full vote! How convenient for him, why not NOW!]]
Because he wants the big harrah to proclaim himself the savior and uniter, when it was Hillary who has been fighting for Fl and MI and Hillary who should be given the CREDIT if and when they are seated at the Credentials Committee come August 25th.
By reducing them to 100% at the beginning, gave him the advantage both at the beginning and then again at the end when the DNC Rules & Bylaws committee gave them back their 50%. But all that did was give him momentum (= both delegates and donation money) going foward. And yes, admittedly, it did finally give Hillary back her popular vote, but only after it was too late to do so.
So now, going foreward BHO wants to take the credit away from her, again… so that he can proclaim himself to be the great party uniter. In so doing, he thinks he will win the minds and hearts of the Florida and Michigan delegatation at the convention, as well as the voters come November.
He thinks we all have short memories and that we will be forgiving or forget what he did.
He is betting, that many of the General Election voters have not been paying attention to the Primaries and do no know about the corrupted stategies by Howard Dean and the DNC.
And that’s where we come in, because we have to make sure they know where he stood and that he fought against having a revote, whilst Hillary did not; she fighting to get that revote.
Save them links to point people to, folks…
They might very well be our life saver!
We shall remember, and not soon forget!
I am also hoping that the DENVER GROUP is able to place a nice big ad in those two states!
I hope many of you have pre-ordered the new August 4th book coming out:
“The Case Against Barack Obama”
http://www.amazon.com/Case-Against-Barack-Obama-Unexamined/dp/1596985666
I think it’s what Hannity described (with a glint in his eye) as the “hard-hitting” book coming out soon.
I’m anxious to see that EVERYTHING is covered. I want that book to be so in depth that I learn a lot of heavy crap.
I’m so sick of all of us knowing way more than the average public.
“Obama Nation” is another book that will be coming out on August 5th.
http://www.amazon.com/Obama-Nation-Jerome-R-Corsi/dp/1416598065/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b
“Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and Cult of Personality”
Was just listening to “Not Ready to Make Nice” by the Dixie Chicks. I love that song!
Am under the weather, but will be checkin’ in.
Have a good day!
heysandy the youtube video or just the song?? Hope you feel better
Who are you going to vote for, the man that is playing kissy feet with all the leaders, and would rather exercise in the Ritz Carlton gym than visit injured troops.. or the man in aisle 9 looking at the price of milk?
#73 slyt2
Just the song. The lyrics are great. Could be our anthem.
Thanks for the well-wishes.
Oh just wonder cuz there is a youtube video with that song about Hillary and the mistreatment and I can’t find it
Argumentative Point
I haven’t been paying attention to the latest news on BHO’s attempt to give money to the DNC. But if he is still holding off, my guess is that, he himself is not sure that he will win the August nomination. Therefore he is holding back.
Because,
He thinks he can lose it to Hillary!
If he were, totally, 100% sure that he is the party’s nominee, he would have done it already. And has not!
I’m trying to email the NotFallinginLine letter to the wisconsin dems and to dean and pelosi. My gmail keeps sending me the message that it does not recognize the dean and pelosi email addresses. Look at them below and let me know if you have used these addresses before or if there is a problem with the way they are formatted:
AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov
HowardDean@dnc.org
Thanks.
Anyway, those two books coming out back to back could seriously hurt Obama. If you didn’t know, one of the authors helped to destroy Kerry candidacy.
I can assure you that the Obama camp is very unhappy about it.
Anyway, have a good Sunday.
I have made no bones about how I feel. The day after the convention, if Hillary does not win. I will be helping Senator McCain. BO is the wrong person for this country and I will have no part in helping him to anything. If any of you from the Great State of Florida are in or around Panama City 1 AUG, Friday John Rich will be at an event for John McCain. If you would like to know. If not that’s fine.
I have HAD it with these disrespectful responses from our elected officials.
You will receive an email stating this but want it out there in PUMAville NOW:
I want a copy of EVERY SINGLE response we have received from delegates, superdelegates, and any other person we have contacted and received a response from – even the “I can’t reply because you are not in my state” bahloney. Don’t care if they’re nice or mean. This needs publicity – PERIOD. These people have NO basis on which to speak to us in the manner they have. I want dates, times, and which PROWL they are responding to.
Forward copies to me ASAP. Put RESPONSE in the email subject.
Marylandpuma@gmail.com
Thanks. And pass the word on to those who join the blog later in the day and evening until the email comes out.
Thank you.
Hi everyone !
I don’t know if anybody has already given this link, but I’ve seen you can leave some comments…
khttp://rawstory.com/news/2008/Hillary_supporters_still_angry_frustrate_attempts_0727.html
From what I have heard the book fleeced by dick morris isn’t to flattery about BO either. Now that Hillary is out (in his words NOT MINE) he doesn’t say to much nice things about BO and he says his plans for certain things are not good and will be bad for us, heard this on Hannity and Colmes .
Cosmeta – agree 100%.
The primary process did not conclude. It’s ongoing!
#15 PouncingPuma on 07.27.08 at 11:10 am, WROTE TO,
from downstairs:
#201 Storytellers
“Obama: The Man Behind The Mask” by Andy Martin
[[ I read that release date was suppose to be 7-25. I pre-ordered at amazon. It is not yet in stock, will ship as soon as available.
I read that book is already in 3rd printing.
If you order at orangestatepress you get autographed copy.]]
I ordered it, but have not recieved my copy yet!
I am going to take my daughter to the pool for a bit. We’re expecting storms here on and off for the rest of the afternoon.
I will be working my PAWS off in Photoshop and Pulling the responses together and working on our WE WANT Proclamation.
I will be on and off the blog.
#14 prowlland on 07.27.08 at 11:03 am, WROTE,
[[ I was just reading some of Gretas blogs:
The Obama’s do not give gifts to their children on Birthdays or Christmas. What does that tell you. Can you imagine no Christmas at the White House? He says he is Christain, that such a lie! Just read the People Magazine article and you will see for your self.]]
I hope you know that does not prove he is a Muslim; but it does show that he is an atheist, just like his mom.
The only reason he joined the Trinity Church of Christ was for politican gain in Chicago.
So my question to myself is,
SHOW ME YOUR BAPTISMAL PAPERS!
I deleted my reponses except for one
#86 Maryland PUMA,
I am sorry but I deleted my responses. They were all the same as ones that were posted so didn’t see it necessary to keep them. Sorry.
OK, the link is not correct. I try again :
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Hillary_supporters_still_angry_frustrate_attempts_0727.html
I just sent the following letter to Don Fowler, Alice Germond, Dean and Pelosi, cc’ing of course to six members of the media:
Subject: Please, by all means, write more
Dear Mr. Fowler and Ms. Germond,
We were wondering about whether you have any plans to write another letter to the supporters of Senator Hillary Clinton. Considering the quality of your first letter, we certainly hope that you are planning to write more.
Indeed, we eagerly await your next statement about how “fatigued” and “irritated” you are at those of us who continue to speak out against the way in which Hillary Clinton was treated during the contest for the party’s nomination and who continue to refuse to fall in line behind an unknown, inexperienced, unqualified and unprincipled neophyte in a nice suit.
Because your public displays of complete ineptitude as principled leaders of the Democratic Party – your total failure to act as though you even know what the principles of democracy are – serve our efforts of dissent against the leadership of the Democratic Party so very well, we eagerly await your next statement about how “fatigued” and “irritated” you are.
Thank you for helping us to prove our point and for doing it so publicly.
Sincerely,
Brian
Knoxville NFIL
http://www.NotFallingInLine.org
Please see our response to your first letter at: http://www.notfallinginline.org/wordpress/?p=56
Sent you two Marlandpuma
The problem I see with the books about BO is getting the right people to read them, and getting press coverage on them. Few are willing to say anything negative regarding BO.
The BO camp has somehow even managed to not allow any negative protests, etc been shown on the news coverage. I find it hard to believe that there were not any protests while BO was on his world tour, but yet, nothing was shown. They are trying to do the same thing in Denver by having all the protesters far away so it will look like BO has unified the party.
This really scares me, as it reminds me of Castro, and others – the way they control the media.
Gooooooooood Mornin’ PUMAs.
Does anyone have a link that shows what day Hillary is going to speak at the convention? I remember reading it is the 24, the 88th birthday of Womens Suffrage. I need to have it for PUMA that want to go to Denver but won’t be able to stay for the entire time. I couldn’t find it last night and want to be sure.
#81 Maryland PUMA is there anyway I can find my old post besides the obvious looking through every single one because I did get a response and i posted it for all to read but I do not remember which one it was posted. what was the day we had to click on email address and then write them( i believe it was a 3 parter that day).
type-o Maryland. Should proof read…but don’t!! Should have paid more attention in typing class many years ago. Do they still have typing classes????
Oh, and by the way, everyone give a big ol shout to CHRISTINA who has nothing better to do with her time than to harrass us.
We really should thank her for the free publicity she gives us by covering us on her ….. *blog*. All those copy and pastes from here show that she’s got a vendetta against us, not all PUMAs.
I fully expect to see this grace her blog along with her typical snarky comments that have no factual basis or tell only half the story. Too bad this PUMA PAC doesn’t care enough to give her the hits or the recognition that she is so desperately seeking by riding our coattails.
She and her little tiny clique of bots make a perfect example of themselves when they post all over the blogs.
Keep it CLASSY Christina, keep it classy.
Knoxville – So eloquent, it brings tears to my eyes! lol Great letter
Anonymous:
“For those of you going to Denver PLEASE be careful. The Dean Team is beginning to really freak me out. He has police consider what equipment they will use against us. That means that if they see anybody wearing a PUMA t-shirt, Hillary t-shirt or sign or anything of that sort, they will attack us. That REALLY scares me.
Here’s a link to this article from FoxNews:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/26/police-prepare-for-thousands-of-protesters-at-denver-convention/
I realize that they are just trying to scare us off, but this may not be the best way.
Take good care of yourselves, we need every puma alive and being well.”
____________________________________________
Sorry, but, based on your source, I don’t get where Dean has any control over the police strategies, weapons, or tactics. And, there is nothing in the article that you posted that suggests otherwise.
Also, I cannot for the life of me “get” where you conclude that if PUMAs wear anything to identify themselves, they will be attacked by the police.
my son will be flying in from ny
maybe he could get it for me
my son will be flying in from ny
maybe he could get it for me
thank you cosmeta
#86 MP….((I will be working my PAWS off in Photoshop and Pulling the responses together and working on our WE WANT Proclamation)))
Is that he same WE WANT list I sent you a number of week ago?? Have fun at the pool!!
One comment…I have a feeling that the media is watching what we post much more closely now. It is a
great opportunity to post some positive stuff toward our mission…which in the short term is to do all we can to see that Senator Clinton is placed into nomination at the convention and persude the SD’s to vote for her…and secondly to highlight that we are VERY large in numbers and will absolutely not capitulate to the media or DNC persuasion to roll over to a false unity front for the DP. When our democracy is at stake…how can we?? Clear and simple!!
TOPIC: DENVER
Sandipuma: Loved your comment, “I will be going with bells on,” whoo-hoo!
also that’s cool you’re from Canada!
NorthernNeighbor: Yes just (finally) ready to go.
I almost forgot you need to make reservations to take the ferry! Ooops, that would have been bad. Well that’s what happens when you’re
* working full time
* raising kids
* feeding kids, cats, & chickens
* dating (just good practice in how to be fearless, haha!)
* & most of all, BEING A GOOD AND PROUD PUMA.
Thanks for your good wishes northern neighbor, am gonna try & log in a few times this coming week for sure.
94…you might find it on this website
http://annabellep.wordpress.com/
zephyr: good comments about media.
I hope Los Angeles, San Francisco & Seattle media start paying attention especially.
Dances: whatever we decide to wear in Denver, I want that Pawprint on it!
TOPIC: TEXAS PRIMARIES
last post, I sent the info from blogradio to my sister last night.
Texassherry: Here’s what she wrote back!!
Warning: long post
~ ~ ~
Texas’ caucus system is a hot mess and should be destroyed.
My own experience at my own local caucus:
The caucus opened at 7, when the polls closed.
At my polling place, I got back there at 6:45, there was still a LONG line to vote the ballot vote. ALL those people were allowed to vote, they put a worker to stand at the end of the line as it existed at 7:00. The caucus was not allowed to start until they were done voting.
They were done voting about 7:35 or so and we got started.
Caucus was scheduled in the school cafeteria which was positively bursting at the seams with people, WAY more than the room had room for and way more than had been expected. We sat on tiny chairs (elementary school). They had us divide up by candidate, Hillary’s on one side and Obama’s on the other. The Obama side was larger than the Hillary side by, I’m only guessing, but it looked like two thirds Obama, one third Hillary. We had to elect a president, a vice president, a secretary (my memory’s not all that great, titles may have differed) – imagine being in an overcrowded room full of strangers and trying to “elect” someone you’ve never met and never heard of. That part was outright ridiculous and led to some very chaotic and loud interactions. They led the proceedings in spite of being ordinary citizens who had not a clue what to do and working off a cheat sheet provided by t he Dem party.
When you voted the ballot, you were supposed to get “a receipt” to show that you had voted. This was not offered voluntarily by the pollworkers, you had to ask for it. You DO get a small slip of paper before you vote that LOOKS like what we all think of as “a receipt”; if you weren’t in the know I think you probably thought you already have your “receipt”. MANY of the caucus attendees brought these small slips of paper rather than their official receipts. ALL of those attendees were allowed to sign the caucus vote list, but ALL of those “irregulars” had to be vetted before the votes could be counted.
My personal sense is, that aside from any wrongdoing which may or may not have taken place, the pollworkers and party workers were positively overwhelmed by the caucus response, which at my polling place and many others, was mostly in favor of Obama.
The “vote” in the caucus was, you signed this yellow legal pad with a number on the left, your name, address, phone, your candiadate, your precinct number (TWO precincts were voting at this one location, part of the crowding column), showed your receipt and your voter registration card and the worker wrote that down. So the several hundred in line had to wait till everybody signed this ONE legal pad. Towards the end, there was an announcement to “please write small, we are doing two people per line”, so someone didn’t bring enough paper, for one. If you didn’t have your receipt or your voting card you had to be “vetted” before your vote would count, that accounted for the delay in reporting.
I got out of the caucus at about 9:30 pm. Pretty big time investment for that second vote. I had signed on the list to be a delegate at the county convention but nobody could tell me WHEN the county convention was. When I found out, I already had a business trip lined up that weekend. Many desperate calls to both Hilary headquarters and Dem party headquarters later, I was unable to find a “substitute” delegate to take my place, so my vote was lost. That rankled, I felt like SURELY the Hillary hdqtrs had SOMEBODY who could stand in my place, but they didn’t, so by signing up to be a delegate, and having a business trip, I had COST Hillary a vote. That hurt.
Okay, that’s my personal caucus recollection. Going to read that article now.
~ ~ ~
my own personal take on this (this is hillstheone talking now), sounds like “business as usual,” the Democratic party never seems to have their act together. I say this from first-hand experience as a precinct worker.
Maybe we PUMAS can help them get their act together…
* * * * LETTER-WRITING CAMPAIGN * * * *
Re Debra Bartoshevich
On July 25, Joe Wineke and the Democratic Party of Wisconsin decided to strip Debra Bartoshevich of her delegate status for the 2008 Democratic Party convention.
We must respond to this horrendous decision.
Please take a look at the two letters for that are posted at http://www.NotFallingInLine.org, make suggestions for their improvement, and send them!
Thank you. Brian
#91 Knoxville Puma
Please see my question at post #78.
Obama always has protests it just doesnt get covered.
I emailed Martin from the site and ask if he was staying on this ? Could something be done before convention and is there more definate proof?
Monday I am going to call Hillarys Office and see if I can get somewhere. I am from New York and hope that cuts me through a little.If there are definate questions you want me to ask post ok? Thanks
#98 cjv,
Thank you!
To the Wineke letter (the one to the Democratic Party of Wisconsin) that I mentioned in #108, I changed the 1st sentence of the 5th paragraph to: But I must ask you, why do you have a problem with it?
Does that sound ok, or should I put it back to:
But I must ask you, “Why do you have a problem with it?”
94 all i can find…they may not know yet..
Hillary Clinton, will, of course, get to give a major speech at the Democratic Convention. It will almost surely be on the first night, Monday, so that the “Clinton story” can be put to rest and the rest of the convention focused on Obama.
I HATE THAT LAST PART !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#78 BigCatLover,
That’s reall odd that you’re having problems with those addresses.
AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov has always worked for me and (I just checked again) is the address that we – not being constituents of her SF district – are supposed to use.
The second address for Dean – HowardDean@dnc.org – is also correct, though I used lower case: howarddean@dnc.org. Still, it shouldn’t make a difference, should it?
As long as you you sent it also to Pelosi at sf.nancy@mail.house.gov and dean at deanh@dnc.org, they’ll get it. You’ll get an automatic response saying that Pelosi can’t *respond* to you from her sf.nancy@mail.house.gov address, but she still gets the messages there.
#97-MARYLAND PUMA!!!
You know the absolutely most hysterically funny thing to me is to visit the site.. yes, I know.. but just out of curiosity… a PUMA trait.. and to see that all her little “blogs”, all of them on the page, have SO VERY FEW comments… she’s keeping this up all on her own… and yes, she absolutely has a hard-on against PumaPac.. and Will Bowers.. of course.. I mean Will and Murphy are the ones she has chosen to call liars… but it is hilariously funny that she feels such a rush of power over a “blog site” that has so few comments to each post.. and many of those, I imagine contain responses by dear “Christina”… ego-stroking much???? LOL
Knoxville
I tried changing it to lower case and got the same error message. I’ll try the 2nd addresses. Thanks.
I thought somewhere I saw Obamas Dad was married when he was born to someone else though. Anyone see this?I still think he is not able to serve.The longer we go the more they will fear “takeing it away from him”How many times did we hear that?/
#107 hillstheone,
Thank you for sharing that. My experience at the caucus was total chaos. Nobody knew what to do. Nobody had to show a receipt or anything. They had papers laying on tables that people just went and signed with their precinct number, voting registration number and who they were voting for. I was also a delegate for the county. I had to call the county office to find out when to go to the convention because like you nobody at the caucus knew anything. I had to read the instructions and show them how to calculate the number of delegates even though it was the first time I had ever been to a caucus. Unlike your precinct though everyone was a Hillary supporter except 2 people. The county convention had more Obama supporters and the leaders there said that they would support any democratic nominee and recommended that all delegates do the same. Since I could never vote for Obama and knew so at that time I ended my journey there and decided not to continue to the state convention.
I just got this when I sent that letter Knoxville!!
This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
Delivery to the following recipients failed.
AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov
To avoid being annoyed by the little boy who would be King, simply ignore him. Today is my “No O Day’. I’m not going to look at him, not going to read about him, not going to watch anything on TV that might have anything to do with him, not even going to think about him. Today is MINE!!!!!
#29 cjv on 07.27.08 at 11:24 am, WROTE,
[[ cosmeta - It’s amazing how many HRC supporters truly believe that she ended her campaign rather than jsut suspend it. I had to correct a supporter yesterday. He was stunned.]]
Very few, besides us know the truth. That’s because Hillary herself only used that term once on June 3rd at her South Dakota victory speech; while media and everyone else, including the DNC have claimed BHO to be the party’s nominee a 100,000 times over.
And you do know, that all it takes to hypnotize someone or give them an exteral suggestion is to repeat something 50 times in the course of one day, and you would have effectively brainwashed them via a hypnotic suggestion.
~Interesting—yes!
Dances – Also, I cannot for the life of me “get” where you conclude that if PUMAs wear anything to identify themselves, they will be attacked by the police.
I agree, the day we are told we can no longer wear a Hillary or PUMA shirt, hat or even underwear is the day we become part of a dictatorship and need to revolt with every breath we have. They can tear off my Hillary and PUMA clothes and I will scream to the tv cameras in the nude if I have to. Bond money, Check!
I have painted Hillary and PUMA on many of my clothes and it’s not as if I am going to take a NObama flag and roll it up into a turban on my head……….
They’re stopping our email and faxes. Good Lord, help us. We will be living in the United States of Obama if we don’t stop this!
Christina Cedeno says, “Say ‘yestodemocracy’ by shutting up and falling in line.”
She’s an insignificant child with way too narrow a focus to serve as a real opponent for us (believe me, I’ve tried to help her with that, explaining that ad hominem, straw-man, and cherry-picking logical fallacies against a single group are hardly effective arguments that will sustain her ‘movement’ in any meaningful way), but she does remind us that our goal is to create real political enemies.
The attacks are proof positive that we are making an impact!
Be very careful of anything that has to do with ‘Police” in Denver. Don’t ever forget the Chicago Convention or Kent State. The have, and they will, “Shoot to kill.”
#118 hillaryistheone,
Now that I think of it, I had the same problem a few nights ago. At that time, goandersen told me that it is nothing to worry about, that I should wait a few hours, and that it will start working again. She was right!
Just a note PUMAs,
Many PUMAs have mentioned to me in private that the blog sometimes attacks their know members if their views differ, or sometimes the negativity is overwhelming and we are loosing bloggers here.
This is a place to find support with one another and fight for Hillary. Please be kind to each other, we need all PUMAs not just the ones that agree with you.
BIG CAT LOVER
Pelosi’s American Voices e-mail has never worked for me. If you’re still having trouble, here are two fax options for her if you need to switch to Plan B:
(202) 225-8259
(415) 861-1670
120…..well let’s BLAST the media again…thats all i know to do. I have sent this many times…im sure others have done the same…but I did notice some changing the their words from Nominee to presumetive”"”"”"
FOUR THINGS TO KNOW ABOUT DENVER
1. Senator Clinton has only suspended her campaign. She has not conceded and never offered a statement of concession which is traditional when someone is no longer a candidate. She did not officially end her candidacy which she could have chosen to do. She is still technically a candidate.
2. Senator Clinton has not released her delegates. Releasing or asking her delegates to support Senator Obama is also something she could have done. She has not. All of Senator Clinton’s delegates won during the primary season are still committed to her and can cast their votes for her at the convention as long as her name is on the ballot.
3. Super delegates public declarations do not count. They can change their minds ( as some did during the primary). They are not committed to any of their public declarations. Nothing counts until they cast their votes in Denver on August 27th.
4.Superdelegates cast their votes in a secret ballot. Unless they themselve choose to reveal who they vote for, no one can know.
cosmeta,
Thank you for the conversation we had the other night about the Wisconsin superdelegate. It really helped me in writing the letter to Wineke and the Democratic Party of Wisconsin. Have you seen it? Did you notice your influence in it?
NOTE:
I changed the 1st sentence of the 5th paragraph to:
But I must ask you, why do you have a problem with it?
Does that sound ok, or should I put it back to:
But I must ask you, “Why do you have a problem with that?”
Please advise!
The letter is at http://www.NotFallingInLine.org
Pelosi
this always works for me…you never know if she gets it or not.
http://speaker.house.gov/contact/
#63 texassherry
My guess is *61 has promised a cabinet post to Senator Hagel. He was one of the two senators accompanying *61 on this trip.
As Pumas, we are putting our country before any party, and short of a miracle, Senator McCain gets my vote.
RE AmericanVoices
The letter that I sent this morning to Don Fowler, Alice Germond, Dean and Pelosi, cc’ing to six members of the media, that I mentioned in #91, I sent to all the addresses, including both Pelosi addresses, and the AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov worked for me (as it usually does).
I don’t know!
I heard rumor and wondered before Hagel as VP. A new mind set??
Prowland – Thanks for the link. Great idea. Bypassing Pelosi’s congressional office where you have to live in her district and communicating with her as the speaker of the house is a great idea. I got it book marked now thanks to you!
#114 lotts194
and one of the people blogging on her site is her husband!
lol
Reposting from downstairs simply because fearmongering is not a good thing:
Anonymous
Yesterday, I pasted a brief from the City of Denver website that explained the security system they will have in place. Here it is again, there is no reason for anyone to get all freaked out,
http://www.denvergov.org/Default.aspx?alias=www.denvergov.org/dnc2008
#124 MountainSong on 07.27.08 at 1:16 pm
Be very careful of anything that has to do with ‘Police” in Denver. Don’t ever forget the Chicago Convention or Kent State. The have, and they will, “Shoot to kill.”
Don’t over-react MountainSong…some of us were just college kids in those days and now we are adults with a lot more life experience. Peaceful protest at a convention will not get people killed. Also, Kent State did not have the worlds TV cameras on it like the convention will. How big is the jail in Denver? How afraid should people be to not support their candidate? I would gladly come home with a broken arm if the tv cameras show that a single mom was attacked for peacefully protesting for the first woman to run as President. Now if Hillary wins the nomination, I will party big time, then will get the heck out of Dodge because I fear another riot will begin with *61 supporters that thought their savior had been ripped off.
hey !! peolsi had a blog….wonder if she reads it ??
I found this email for her .
thegavel@mail.house.gov
#131 EWard,
I agree with you but it still surprised me that he said this on the news. If he wants to continue his senate position in the future I think he probably blew his chances. His remarks had to have upset his republican supporters. IMO
Hi Pumas – just finished catching up on the blog – plus checked out a few of the others -
caught this article – please read & comment here on this site:
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Summer08/UndertheBus.html
I thought article was very interesting……………………IMO
Prowland – You should work undercover in Pelosi’s organization!
#30 storytellers on 07.27.08 at 11:25 am, WROTE,
[[ ok
jews obviously do not celebrate xmas
but do celebrate birthday, etc
buy gifts 4 others…….]]
I know a lot of Jewish people who actually do partake in their own way. The purchase and will decorate a tree with Jewish symbols. And they also buy their children Hannakah gifts. They know that a christmas tree is not a Christian symbol but a commercial one, and rather than to have their children feel left out of the holiday shopping frenzy, they have found a way to incorporate it into their own religious tradition.
I just think Mr and Mrs O are cheap. I mean, what child in America does not have a dog or cat as a pet, especially when mom thinks $600 isn’t even enough to buy a pair of earrings. ~smile
Pumas – another bit of info I found – Fox News is looking for stories on voter fraud – they are doing an investigation……………………………don’t we have lots of info on voter fraud – isn’t Murphy’s friend Brad doing a doc on it? info out now would have more impact on the election and/or convention coming up…………
lol 141
great 143….how can we get the info to the ones doing the documentary ??
97 MarylandPuma
I visited Christina’s site twice.
I admire those with an ability to express themselves articulately, and Christina falls into that category. The problem I have is with people who use that ability in the service of manipulation and propaganda. This is another category in which Christina falls (literally as well as figuratively). This type of person reminds me of the BushCheneyRumsfeldPowellWolfowitzRove ilk, and their machinations and manipulative lying ramping up to war.
I visted her site twice. The first time she was ranting about Murphy’s contribution and vote in the primary for McCain. Where she is intellectually dishonest and manipulative, is when she fails to recognize, or just consciously omits, placing that strategy in context.
Many, many Democrats were voting for McCain in the primary as a strategy to stop GW Bush from becoming the Republican nominee. Christina was only, what, 15 or so, at that time and may not have paid much attention, but, even that isn’t an excuse now, given Internet and other resources available to us. She also fails to report the rest of Murphy’s political contributions and voter history. Convenient, that.
I went back a second time, only to read her ‘joke of the day’, this was where she mocked and attempted to humiliate Murphy by ridiculing Murphy for being “ignorant”. To do this, she used one of Murphy’s statements that Axelrod should be arrested for violating Leibniz’s Law! Christina, once again, took Murphy’s statement out of context, and obviously, the humor of Murphy’s statement was completely lost on Christina, as she went on to explain to her readers (?)that you cannot violate or be arrested for breaking a scientific law!! (Pssst, Leibniz’s Law is not a scientific law, it is a philosophical / metaphysical principle.)
Christina’s “joke of the day” backfired on her, because as it turned out, Christina was the punchline.
It worries me, for the sake of children, that Christina is a teacher, kindergarden or 1st grade? Not sure. Not worth a return visit to find out either. I learned all I needed to know about the person behind that site in my two visits. No need to return. Nothing to be learned there.
Thanks #127 Anna7000, I used https://faxzero.com/
and sent it via fax to Pelosi!!
Your 1-page fax to Nancy Pelosi at 2022258259 has been sent successfully.
(Page count does not include the cover page.)
#145 SUSIE – Thanks for the link to that article. Just read it. Wow. The writer is kind of all over the place. She seems to be making a case against Obama, minimizing this grassroots movement, criticizing everything anyone in any of these grassroots orgs is doing, not getting her facts straight by stating things she/he feels we should be doing that we are indeed doing, and going round and round and ending up no where. I don’t quite get it. I’d like to write to him/her and invite them to take action since 1) they appear to be as dismayed about an Obama presidency as any of us, and 2) they seem to have a lot of strategic ideas that they might want to put into action.
What was your take on the piece?
SUBJECT: DELETED EMAILS FROM DELEGATES AND PARTY OFFICIALS
If you have deleted your responses from the delegates or party officials, you can still retrieve them and send them to MarylandPuma.
With a gmail account go to your “trash” file and you should see all your deleted emails.
If you have a hotmail account, go to your “deleted” file, and they should be there.
The “trash” and “delete” files function as a storage unit until it is automatically deleted by gmail in 30 days or by you, if you have a hotmail account.
#111, #129 Knoxville – I been away from the computer for awhile. I read your letter a couple of times over and I prefer the change that you made, “but I must ask you”. It kind of helps to get the reader to focus again ….hopefully, that is!
PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT PUMA ALERT
From: Murphy
Murphy sent you a letter with homework to do – it comes from members@pumapac.org
We will remember in November.
143…yes the are
#143 Susie1945 on 07.27.08 at 1:34 pm, WROTE,
[[ Pumas - another bit of info I found - Fox News is looking for stories on voter fraud - they are doing an investigation…… don’t we have lots of info on voter fraud - isn’t Murphy’s friend Brad doing a doc on it? info out now would have more impact on the election and/or convention coming up…………]]
That info’s been out there for weeks. And I might have posted on it…
Email,
voterfraud@foxnews.com
#139 Texassherry
In the past, Senator Hagel has taken positions that are in opposition to Republican beliefs. Nothing surprises me anymore about our elected officials that work for us.
As Pumas, we represent the true ideals of a Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and so on. We care enough about our country to fight a corrupt nominee and party.
#148 Anna – my take was that the writer thinks this is the 1960′s all over again -(I’m too old to replay those years) – however, a couple of her statements did catch my eye – I do think we need to be more forceful – I agree that the Denver Group should be a bit more “in your face” – even Dean is putting us down –
of course when someone disses our group, our efforts, our nominee – it pisses me off and I get angry – but I think it would be better revenge to get even –
Hey if this hasn’t been posted you should all read if not for anything else look at her face (McCaskills) I think she’s IN LOVE with obama..
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/12085.html
#153 cosmeta – okay – they did a story last night and were requesting more – just a suggestion……………..
151 I got the email…doesn’t really say what to do
16 storytellers re:#14
THAT IS VERY SERIOUS¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡ that actually means
that he is aginst, our culture.our institutions
our way of living, I think moslems do that….
________________________________________
Many American Christians do not celebrate Christmas by engaging in the commercial aspect of gift exchanges. Does this mean they too, are ‘Moslem’, or are against “our” culture, “our” institutions, “our” way of living?
16 storytellers
I don’t participate in the “commercialized” Christmas either, nor do I support cutting down millions of trees.
LORELAI – I don’t know if you’re around today, but I thought your letter and your strategy posted somewhere recently about targeting local officials/SD’s or others where you can claim some kind of personal connection was terrific. It takes just a few minutes of extra time to do that, but one would hope that at least with some recipients that personal touch helps get your foot in the door so, at the very least, the letter actually gets read. I especially like the idea of targeting local officials, which I’ve also been doing for some time since I think politician’s ears prick up when they think votes and/or dollars won’t be coming their way! Your post also got me thinking about expanding this though I may be stretching it a bit – got to thinking about, “Dear Sir: A third cousin in my dysfunctional family once dated a girl who went to elementary school in a district where I believe one of your college buddies was a city councilman about 20 years ago. I’m writing to you know….” I better tighten up the connections! But, in all seriousness, the idea is great (creates a connection a bit of intimacy) and I’m going to focus on that for some of my actions today.
#154 EWard,
That is for sure. I plan on putting country before party come November and have done so before in the past. I guess I was surprised about Senator Hagel because normally on these talk shows they show both sides of the story, but on this one both the democrat and the republican defended Obama. It made me sick. Even though Obama couldn’t use the injured troops as part of his campaign he could have visited them without the media on his own. I know that both Hillary and McCain would have. Their excuse was that they visited troops in the Middle East (yeah with media coverage). Otherwise he should have only went to the Middle East as a Senator without all the publicity, and should not have went to Europe to campaign. Just because he made a speech and got pictures taken with heads of state does not mean he is qualified to be Commander in Chief.
#61 go_Ohio_Lady on 07.27.08 at 11:52 am, WROTE,
[[ A PERSONAL OPINION and a FACT are two different things. I do not wish to have a personal debate with any of our members but I do insist that we try to establish opinion from fact for all the People reading our blog.]]
For the most part, anything and everything I read on any blog I consider opinions; and that would include mainstream media blogs—and yes, even the lead-in stories by news anchors or news commentators.
For something to be called fact, or a truth, it would have to be well researched as to leave no doubts. But unfortunately, in this election cycle, more than ever before we can’t even trust mainstread media.
What a shame!
Sorry to be Off-topic but can anyone give me an update on our PUMA t-shirts? I have not received mine and I am anxious to parade around in it.
#128 & #140 Yes, Hillary has suspended her campaign; however, after reading the City Edition article, I tend to agree that we may all be beating a dead horse. The party leaders do not care if he is unqualified and will back him no matter what. I just wish Hillary had not suspended her campaign. She should have immediately taken it to the DNC Rules Committe and forced them to abide by Party rules. When Ickes said she had the right to take it to the Rules Committee, should should have. We are stuck with an empty suit while the real candidate has suspended her campaign and can’t do anything to help us. I don’t think for one minute that the Party will put her in nomination for fear of race riots. Sharpton promised it. The article is correct on one thing, there should be protests every day outside the DNC headquarters in Chicago and also in Washington until someone listens. Believe me, if this had happened to BO, the AA’s and the rest of his crazy followers would be doing exactly that. They would be rioting and marching just like the illegal Mexicans demanding citizenship. How can we get her in nomination if she says she supports him? Whenever I call the supers, that is exactly what they tell me. Even Stephanie Tubb Jones, a loyal Hillary supporter, is now endorsing BO. As I have posted many times before, unless he self-implodes, the Party will stick with him. They refuse to admit they made a mistake. I’m absolutely disgusted that I will have to vote for McCain to keep this idiot out of office.
I just ordered Andy Martin’s book, it’s out just in time but will it help? The Party leaders know everything Martin says is a fact but they don’t care. Sorry, but I really am down about this.
#9 Flowerchild2
It’s Diana Saxe and she is from Massachusetts
#156 did anybody read the link I posted McCaskills is saying she is on the short list and YES she would accept the position of VP.
163 cosmeta [But unfortunately, in this election cycle, more than ever before we can’t even trust mainstread media.]
Agree.
I’ve been reading the articles at cityedition this morning. They are indepth and excellent. She’s already done much of the research on topics of concern especially the media. Take a look at this call to action. I vote for getting behind it.
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/MediaPushbackCampaign.html
Does anybody remember what post or around about what time we were asking Donna B if she had quit yet ?? Help please if anybody knows or remembers???????
#165 ladyhawkke,
That is exactly what I think too. I don’t think the DNC will ever admit they were wrong and that Hillary’s only chance is if Obama self-implodes. That is the only reason I listen to everything he says to try and catch him in something that will be damaging. Unfortunately every time he gaffes his supporters forgive him. Hopefully at least one of those books will come out before the convention and do real damage.
http://together4us.com/
Go vote!
The con-man Obama is just as bad as those crooked “Elmer Gantry” types that exploit Jesus Christ and Christianity for selfish personal gain..
In my opinion Obama is in order of indoctrination:
*an atheist(marxist theory is atheistic – that God and religion are nothing more than “the opiate of the masses)
*moslem..they got him when he was young and that is the age where indoctrination is deeply imprinted on the mind..
* Christian in name only..for an slick opportunist being a Christian is a spring board for political careerism in the USA
—following the news lately I have noticed a gradual MSM “slow creep” to spin McCain as being “too old” ..”a grumpy old man”
….here they go again!!!!!
..they used “sexism” discrimination to tear down Hillary..
…now they try to pull the same thing this time using “ageism” discrimination to tear down McCain..
165 ladyhawkke
I’ve been where you are. We can’t give up or pre-determind the results. We can only take massive action one day at a time and let the chips fall.
We absolutely should have ongoing protests at the DNC headquarters. Would that I could relocate to either city because I would take a shift to protest everyday.
Honestly, I believe the anti-Obama forces are about to hit critical mass. When that happens..anything can happen.
#167 slyt2,
I hope he does select a woman for his running mate and I also hope that he still loses. At least that would prove that we did not vote for Hillary just because she was a woman.
#168alohapuma I’m going to take action there. Also, I need to go to my inbox and see what Puma prowl I need to do today.
Here’s another point that has always irked me about this years Primary Season.
Normally, the democratic party’s nominee takes control over the DNC and sets the agenda and Party Platform going foward.
So that, by Howard Dean pushing the superdelegates to ENDORSE early, so as to make BHO the presumptive nominee… Well, now, what can I say, BHO has already taken control over the DNC when he should not because he is not the *official* nominee yet. And by Howard Dean making him the nominee sets things against Hillary… So put that one down in your mental notebooks too as a talking point.
How they got around their own ruling is beyond me.
He should not be the party’s head yet!
re#176 cosmeta..
the outrages never seem to stop..
Cosmeta, when you think about, unless it works in their favor, what rules have they followed otherwise?
Hello fellow PUMAs:
Things are happening and thanks to you’ll…
Murphy you got mail!
McCaskill is such a nitwit!!
What would be the process in getting a petition started to have Hillary’s name in nomination at the convention. Seems to me it would be worth it to see what kind of activity that would bring. If very large numbers of people signed such a petition, it would provide black and white, hard copy evidence of the will of the people. I fear waiting for the convention and having nothing but the hope that her name will be allowed to be put in nomination.
Am I the only one who is outraged by the Donna Brazile/Karl Rove Connection article linked above? The article appears to be well-researched, with quotes, etc. This article needs to be posted for all Democrats to see and digest! I think we all have our negative feelings about Brazile/Dean about what transpired during the primary and since. It’s the BEFORE that makes me crazy! The machinations and maneuvering of Donna Brazile and Howard Dean must be publicized — we need to send the links to MSM and newspapers.
alohapuma – Your posts are always so wise and tempered. Always much appreciated.
Hillary CAN win the nomination
#165 ladyhawke
Hillary CAN win according to Ray, the delegate for HIllary, who Murphy was interviewing last night. He said all of our work IS being recognized. It won’t be easy but please, believe she will win!! Just keep doing what we are doing even at the convention.
Missy – Here’s a link (at the DNC website, but ignore their bs) that enables anyone to type in their zip code at which point local and regional papers (along with the big national editions) will pop up and you can type in one letter and send it out to all of them. I use it all the time.
http://www.democrats.org/page/content/partybuilderLTE/
Voters living in Massachusetts recently elected its first black governor, Deval Patrick, whose previous ‘experience’ was employment as a civil rights attorney. So we can predict the dire fallout awaiting the election of BO, another prototypical Axelrod protege, to the office of POTUS. (Both men hooked up with Axelrod while living in Chicago.) The teacher of my son’s 9th grade social studies class asked students what is the first thing they think of when they hear the term, politician. My son, who is black, had followed the election. He replied, “Cadillacs.” The teacher, knowing my son is bright (and autistic), sought out his meaning. ‘Well, the first thing Governor Patrick did after he won the election was to buy a cadillac.’
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/us/politics/27patrick.html
Of course, this was before he tried to buy a jet.
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2008/06/14/the-massachusetts-governor-is-shopping-for-a-private-jet/
re#181 kpw..
a petition campaign to get Hillary placed in nomination would be a good idea.the process begins when individuals get out there circulating and getting signatures on the petitions..
I was out with a friend who happens to be a GenXer and we were talking about Obama’s trip. (She is a former Hillary supporter turned Obama, ugh) I mentioned the Logan Act and how Obama violated it. Her reply was, “everyone does it”. I think the country is going to be in trouble if this gets to be the normal way of thinking about things.
#184 diva2,
I haven’t given up hope for Hillary but I don’t think we will ever get any help from the DNC. We need to show that Obama is not electable and hopefully find a way that will make him either withdrawl from the contest or the superdelegates have to stand strong and vote him out. They need to stop worrying about Sharpton’s threat. If there are riots then we will deal with it just like we have in the past. They could riot even if he wins anyway just because he doesn’t win in a landslide. Sharpton likes being in the spotlight and I think he just looks for reasons to cause chaos.
I will focus on Hillary until the convention and then if she doesn’t emerge as the nominee then I will focus on a McCain win and an Obama loss. I will also focus on changing the new democratic party and if that isn’t successful then I will fight for a new party to represent the majority of Americans.
181 kpw26
That’s a great idea. There may be one out there already.
hello pumas
#159
Dances WithPumas
to begin with, I did not read the article,forgive me for giving opinios with insufficent grounds
I am just commenting on what was said
I am saying the act of no buying gifts for any event, no celebrating birthdays, if you are christian no celebrating xmas, >that is culture,traditions, economy, etc, we might like or not
I think I recall I said “I think moslems do that” in ref to no celebrating birthdays and buying gifts (as traditon)
if you are potentially running for the presidency of a country at least you should stand for what the country stands for traditionally
as a private individual, you could do whatever you wish, is licit, that does not make you a lesser american
in many instances , I did not want to celebrate xmas, I JUST WANTED TO GET LOST,
I am an atheist, therefore the essence of the religious part to me is not important, but nowadays I give very much importance to our culture and our institutions, because around the corner sort of say are others to tear it apart>>>and they are masked,& you do not notice
re#188 shasta
( I luv mt shasta!)
as to your gen x friend..it’s called CYNICISM
if the dnc doesnt elect hillary at the convention and all the writein states write hillary in as the majority is there a way she could still win with these write in states?
THIS is freaking hilarious!!!!
Barack Obama said he’ll give his vice president substantive work and will choose his running mate based on ability to govern, not to help win a state in November.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080727/pl_politico/12083
I Love the “Walking Eagle” I c/p it into a email and sent to everyone on my email list.
Based on his ability to govern!!!! OMG look who is talking!!!
194 chrissieD
The rules differ state by state. In many cases a write in for Hillary would translate to voting for Obama.
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Thanks, Anna — will definitely use the link — but I think all PUMAS should be linking this article to their newspapers!
Do you believe this??????
Obama listed the qualities he’ll be looking for: “I’m going to want somebody with integrity.
and i mean if she has the clear majority in the write in states and all the other states are a dead tie between mccain and obama she could technically win right or am I getting it wrong
I don’t find anything about Obama hilarious!!! He is scary!!!
so in which states does a write in for hillary mean hillary
People magazine article: I bought the People magazine because I figure the more I can find out about *61 the more ways there are to find flips, contradictions, etc. The birthday and Christmas reference is in a “box” sub-article titled “Obama House Rules.” #6 in the rules is, “No birthday or Christmas presents from Mom and Dad, who spend “hundreds” on birthday slumber parties and, as Barack puts it, ‘want to teach some limits.’ Says Michelle: “Malia says, ‘I know there is a Santa because there’s no way you’d buy me all that stuff.’”
#195 sunshinelvr
No sh#*t sherlock someone to tell him what to do and how to run the office I mean give us a F**king break. Now bambam tell the voters something we don’t know!
re#194 CD..
if the ballot allows write-ins a vote for Hillary would be cool..
any vote that is NOT OBAMA would be good..
Hillary is a Democrat and I don’t know how that would work out on the ballot..
the Democratic party machine and apparatus will have tremendous resources at their disposal and you can bet they will try like hell to squash a Hillary write-in campaign if it were to take votes away from Obama
You may want to comment on that Raw story slim mention of PUMA
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/07/27/puma-on-raw-story/
#177 freepuma on 07.27.08 at 2:18 pm, WROTE,
[[ re#176 cosmeta..
the outrages never seem to stop..]]
There are many!
***************
#178 cjv on 07.27.08 at 2:18 pm, WROTE,
[[ Cosmeta, when you think about, unless it works in their favor, what rules have they followed otherwise?]]
Well, like they always say: rules are meant to be broken. Then again, our entire Constitution has numerous amendments. And they are called, BILLS, and bills can be rewritten, revised, updated and so on.
Then there are those who say,
My mamma says.
LOL
Sounds like a song, now don’t it!
“There will be days like this….
My momma says.”
1950′s, or so my husband tells me.
~smile
shasta2001 – yeah, i think that’s a very typical kind of thinking pattern now. i have a very liberal neighbor and friend who hates bush, etc. but then, when i talked to her about obama’s fisa vote, she had a whole rationalization worked out, saying how these are scarey times, we’re in a war, we need to be able to track down terrorists, etc. however, she NEVER would have made such arguments on bush’s behalf for the same issue. her brain now adapts to anything and everything obama does so as to find a way to make it ok, even crossing very deeply established long-held political values and boundaries (or saw i thought they were). but, maybe that’s human nature – we develop a point of view and when something threatens it or potentially calls it into question, we’re just not hard wired to readily give up the perspective and instead we find a way to manipulate the new information so it fits into our established thinking. that said, it does seem that obama supporters are particularly entrenched. (but then, to be fair, so am i – none of them could no more convince me to switch from Clinton than I seem to be able to convince them to switch from obama – stalemate!)
its hilarious because he is so LACKING in everything ..so , in essence, he wants a “Hillary-type” to be the VP because obama knows he DOES NOT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE TO BE POTUS!!!!!
#201 Sunshinelvr
That seems to be typical BO , he needs to look for people who have the qualities he lacks!
#202 chrissieD,
That would be really risky. We already know that a large percentage of Hillary voters have went to Obama so there is no way of telling how many of us there are fighting against him. Since half of the voters are republicans then the best way to beat him is to vote for McCain to increase his votes.
This is just my opinion.
Sunshinelver! “I’m not interested in a vice president who I just send off to go to funerals,” he continued. “I want somebody who’s going to be able to roll up their sleeves and really do some work.”
Now doesn’t that just send ‘tingles up your leg?
Anyone, raise hands! Any tingles?
is Murphy out today?
well, she needs a day off!:)
“This week with George Stephanopoulos”-I watched this show today. It was not the typical fawning over *61. It was all about *61. One guy was great; I didn’t catch his last name but his first name was George also. One of the panel was asking if *61′s blunder of not visiting the military hospital was going to hurt him. The other guy named George said no because nothing hurts *61. He then proceded to recite all the blunders *61 has made and then commented that nobody seems to notice. Cokie Roberts looked pained as George went through his list. Of course, Cokie had been gushing about what a success the world tour had been, just moments before the list of blunders started.
just more proof to me that David & company should be tried for treason for shoving this inexperienced lackey off on us! TEhy kenw and know he is sorely lacking in EVERY AREA! MY god! If traveling to foriegn countries gives one foriegn policy experience, the I had more than obama before he took this trip!
Write ins would not get enough electoral votes to win,therefore I will not take a chance on circus boy winning if Hillary is not the nom I will vote for Mccain.
Here’s a link to a well written bit of satire about Obama by a woman who is a frequent contributor to American Thinker, for anyone interested:
http://www.kyleanneshiver.com/
David Plouffe & David Axlerod need to be taken out to the out-house and given a good thrashing! Or behind the barn! Either would do. To foist this JUNIOR senator off as a candidate is the height of egotism for them , too! Probably was a game to them to see how many ignorant politicains they could rope in!
Some of the things that are coming out of his mouth lately are unreal you would think ,at least, he would wait until he has the Real nomination . Do you think his speech writer has resigned? Maybe he thinks because he is the ‘presumptive’ nominee the voters will believe anything simply because they did during the primary. what about our leaders that have fallen for all this I used to believe they were wise people.Just keep on blubbering Nobama
192 storytellers
Ponts noted. Thanks for the clarification.
Personally, I think all vestiges of religion should be removed from our government…
including White House Christmases and Easter. If any holidays are past of a President’s religion, great, celebrate them privately in the family quarters.
http://www.demconwatchblog.com/2008/01/superdelegate-endorsement-notes.html
This list was frozen as of June but you can see all the supers that switched from Clinton to BO. The NY and CA switches are very troubling. Does she have any delegates left? I mean those are a lot of switches. i wonder how many actual delegates she has as of today.
210…glad i live in a neighbor hood of Hill supporters..
#222 DancesWithPumas
Sorry I don’t agree,the nation should celebrate together in there own way, or not if they choose.
sly t, here’s the video of not ready to make nice you were talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK9Iv8rM4sw
MCCASKILL FOR VP
She was elected to the Senate in 2004 just like Obama so she is a newbie with no experience. Also she barely won her election, in fact, it took several days to recount the vote and name her the winner so it was a squeaker. And like BO she’s spent all her time campaigning for him, so I don’t think she has accomplished ANYTHING in the Senate.
oh i see
i’m with you, dances. i think religion should remain a deeply personal, family affair and should not leak into secular society. but, i’m out there on the fringes with regard to this matter, no doubt. i take it one step further than religion and am one of those who feels the word “god” should be removed from the pledge of allegiance (in fact, i think the pledge itself is a bit of a wierd ritual for school children to do every day.)
Or it may have been 2006 when McCaskill was elected. I’ll have to check on that.
hi PUMA family.
I would like to know what you think about this.
Obama Presidency could damage the special relationship between Great Britain and the United States.
comment on the article
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/07/27/do2703.xml
Barack Obama’s brief visit to London coincided with the opening of the new Batman film in British cinemas. How fitting.
On his journey through Europe last week the US presidential contender garnered adulation fit for a superhero. As a series of polls has shown, if the British public could vote on the American race, Obama would crush his rival John McCain by a margin of four or five to one.
Even 28 Tory MPs are backing him amidst an outbreak of Westminster Obamamania, despite his left-wing voting record, which made him the most liberal senator of 2007.
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The British and European euphoria surrounding Obama’s trip is easy to understand. He is widely perceived as a charismatic, JFK-like figure, offering a seductive vision of a softer, sensitive America, while pledging to transform the negative image of the most powerful nation on earth.
But let’s consider the British national interest. When you push the spin and hype aside, there is scant evidence to suggest that an Obama presidency would actually strengthen the Anglo-American alliance, which has long been the engine of the free world. In fact, there is a risk it would be significantly weakened.
The special relationship was forged in the dark days of World War Two through the partnership between Winston Churchill and Franklin D Roosevelt, and has been a dominant feature of US and British foreign policy ever since. It is embodied in the close-knit military and intelligence ties between the two nations, as well as the huge volume of mutual trade and investment.
The alliance reached its zenith in the 1980s with the leadership of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, a powerful partnership that successfully faced down the Soviet empire. After a period of decline it was successfully revived by George W Bush and Tony Blair in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
The Republican political elites in Washington still see the special relationship as critically important, a view shared by Senator McCain. In contrast, the Democrats have shown little affection for Britain in recent years, partly because of their love affair with continental Europe, but also due to Blair’s unstinting support for Bush over the war in Iraq.
After meeting with Gordon Brown yesterday, Senator Obama briefly acknowledged the special relationship, but only after prompting by journalists. He has yet to show much affinity with Britain; we should be wary of taking yesterday’s remarks at face value. In fact, his key foreign policy speeches have not mentioned Britain at all.
An Obama presidency could well usher in a seismic shift in the transatlantic alliance, with the centre of gravity of US policy in Europe moving away from London towards Berlin and Paris. His controversial decision to make Germany and France the centrepiece of his European tour, with Britain tacked on almost as an afterthought, is a clear sign of the importance placed by the Obama camp on enhanced relations with the continent.
The Democrats are traditionally strong supporters of a united, federal Europe, and have little sympathy for British objections to the further centralisation of political, military and economic power in Brussels. If David Cameron becomes prime minister at the head of a Eurosceptic administration, Downing Street and an Obama White House would be worlds apart.
And it won’t only be Obama’s European policy that will grate in London. Closely aligning himself with powerful labour unions, Obama has pronounced protectionist tendencies. He has opposed the North American Free Trade Agreement as well as a host of free trade treaties from Colombia to South Korea.
If the Left wins control of the White House in November’s election, many fear a new era of American protectionism will emerge. This could have a real and tangible impact in the UK – in shielding domestic US workers from foreign competition, including in the sensitive area of defence contracts, the Democrats would put thousands of British jobs at stake. This will draw the White House into conflict with the pro-free trade UK.
In his support for protectionist measures against the effects of globalisation, Obama will find common ground with several European leaders, including the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, and it will consequently become harder for Britain to break down Europe’s own protectionist follies such as the Common Agricultural Policy.
Britain’s chattering classes should be careful what they wish for. Senator Obama promises change and a bold new course for the United States. The end result may be an America that looks away from Britain and erects higher barriers to trade and investment.
The special relationship has lasted over 60 years as the most powerful and successful partnership of modern times. Unfortunately it might not survive the next presidential election.
# Nile Gardiner is director of the Margaret Thatcher Centre for Freedom at the Heritage Foundation in Washington, DC
Puma Alert
Needed comments on this WP article. *61′s nasty bloggers are out in force.
Embraced Overseas, But to What Effect?
MarylandPuma
I will send my response emails to you later.
I luv Christmas Trees at the WhiteHouse!
as a kid and even now I like seeing the Christmas trees all lit up so colorfully at the White House..it’s a long time American historical and cultural tradition.
a charming show of Americana..
#222 DancesWithPumas,
Religion or lack of actually tells a lot about a person. In Obama’s case his being in attendance with a church that does not look at all races and genders as equal tells a lot about him. I can only speak for myself when I say that I want a president to represent me and ALL Americans. I don’t know how he can do that if he doesn’t think we are all equal. Just my opinion.
#217 Sunshinelvr on 07.27.08 at 2:44 pm, WROTE,
[[ MY god! If traveling to foriegn countries gives one foriegn policy experience, the I had more than obama before he took this trip!]]
That was the talking point BHO used against Hillary in the Primaries, saying that her visits to other countries as First Lady did not count.
So I think the stronger talking point is that HE CHOSE TO CAMPAGIN OVERSEES and as a way and means to get a photo op. It was all politically motivated!
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“The [enclosed] sheet said ‘Dear Senator: At Preschool, I learned to thank God for the food I eat. I also collect coins to help those who don’t have enough. Today, I ask you to help, too, with more and better aid for the world’s poorest countries. We want Congress to pass the Global Poverty Act. Please cosponsor S. 2433. Thank you.’ The child’s name and age were supposed to be filled in.
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#233 freepuma ,
I like the Christmas trees at the whitehouse too but don’t think that professional designers should be paid millions to decorate them. I think that the whitehouse staff or volunteers should do the decorating and that they could recycle some of the decorations and reuse them more than just one year. In my opinion there is too much unnecessary spending there and in a lot of areas in government. Just my opinion.
this is the response from a typical BO supporter
is it just me or is this the definition of arrogance??
Posted by Go Obama on July 27, 2008 6:23 PM
Does anybody here really believe that the people who run America depend in any way on this soppy, maudlin and at best outdated “special relationship” horsehockey?
The WW II generation in the US is mostly dead or completely removed from influence: hence the American bailout and rescue of the UK from German hands has been for the most part forgotten.
And nobody remembers anything about the UK helping America even in recent conflicts as the headcount and money committed by the UK is miniscule compared to that of the US.
Stop the silliness: America cares about Russia, China and the Middle East with the rest being secondary, and Italy, the UK, Greece, Ireland, New Zealand and other less influential non-military powers falling off in the rounding of political and military purpose… but still being wonderful places for a holiday.
Hello Pumas
My attempts to add the hyperlink from the Washington Post article are not working. The story is titled “Embraced Overseas, But to What Effect?”
One of *61′s bloggers gave us a new name – deranged Pumas. Anyway, I added two comments, but we need more help.
Got to run for now, talk to you later!
hello all….just checking in to let you know as i am getting ready to leave for the day, i have CNN on, and i heard the reporter say…” Obama is already getting drape measurements from the White House” !!! I am not sure if he was joking, but i can’t believe how presumptuous this guy is !!! This guy is a freakin joke !!!
People have a choice not to particapate in things ,they shouldn’t be banned for others, like school prayer ect.
229 Anna7000:
i’m with you, dances. i think religion should remain a deeply personal, family affair and should not leak into secular society. but, i’m out there on the fringes with regard to this matter, no doubt. i take it one step further than religion and am one of those who feels the word “god” should be removed from the pledge of allegiance (in fact, i think the pledge itself is a bit of a wierd ritual for school children to do every day.)
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Completely agree on all points.
Although, I don;t think it is as “fringe-y” position as they’d like us to believe. I think people’s silence on teh matter is somewhat akin to people not speaking out for Hillary due to Obama thuggery (in this case the cry of “christian (faux) persecution”.
Ladyhawke and texassherry- I feel the same way you do, short of BO being struck by lightning, I don’t have much hope for HRC on the ballot- as much as I would love it- I don’t think she would except it. I think it would ruin her political career.
I also think the country desperately needs a new party. I am fully aware that you must play politics to be successful but Axelrod and Pfloufe and Dean and Brazile and the other henchmen are responsible for the division in our party.
My one hope is Obama loses so big that the DNC is so ashamed and then some real change may occur. But without a BIG LOSS, i don’t know if that will occur.
(shich is why I ask everyone to consider voting for McCain, hold your nose if you have to)
#227 bigcatlover- hopefully if he picks someone as inexperienced as him perhaps the MSM will realize this isn’t just a game they are playing and maybe then they can really start focusing on how inexperienced this guy is.
How are we supposed to swallow the fact that he had his middle east 7 day tour to make him an expert on middle east relations???
And a final note- I like to read other people’s opinions and truly believe in free speech but I’d like to see us not speak negatively of Muslims. I have worked with a lot, both as colleagues and as patients. Just like Timothy McVey did not illustrate true Christians, I don’t think we should assume Muslims have any bad intent, simply because of their religion. Atheists too
# 56 jbjd from downstairs, just signed in again… Thanks! You made my day! I’ll be sending my own letter to Waters too.
I made the mistake of tuning the radio to Air American on my drive home from work last night and heard Maxine Waters on the Peter B. Collins show dismissing PUMAs as… old feminists who did the work for equal rights and raising the kids and now the kids have moved out and maybe the husband has left them for a younger woman and they’re alone and they gave their all for Hillary’s campaign and they can’t let go. She thinks we’ll come around though… Not Gonna Happen! She obviously doesn’t have a clue who we are!
The next guest was very harsh regarding BO and the nuclear industry… pointed out in great detail how and why his record was appalling both in Ill. and the US Senate. All the host could say was “interesting, interesting” w/o any follow up.
On another note… I just read something I haven’t seen covered at all… That BO staged free concert w/ normally $100plus ticket acts before both his Portland and Berlin speeches and that is how he drew so many people to the venues… a free concert by a big act in the park on a sunny day.
Hmmm, who do you think will be the warm up act in Denver? Too bad it’s going to be Hillary giving the speach!!!
re#234 TS
your take on Obama’s racism is correct..
keep in mind-most people don’t know or don’t like to consider that Obama and Michelle are exponents and true believers of the ideology of “black nationalism” which advocates that blacks “first” as Michelle writes-receive priority over all other races..
their ideology just as much a racial ideology as Hitlers “Aryan supremacy”
Here’s the link to the Washington Post article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/26/AR2008072601972.html?nav=hcmodule
#242 mijabsnji ,
I agree with you 100%. I do not want to see the pledge of alegiance, national anthem or any of our patriotic traditions change. Nobody is forced to say “under God” or to pray but I don’t think that if people want to do it that it should be taken away. Our ancesters faught for our freedom of religions and it should not be changed. Just my opinion but also the opinion of the majority of Americans from what I have heard and seen in all polls.
Wow that article Murphy put up explains a lot. I always thought this entire primary had a certain stench about it but I never could figure out who was the ultimate puppet master. After reading all of that article I have to believe that the Republicans have a sure shot to knock BO out in the General Election. What a bunch of cynical people controlling a bunch of Democrat airheads.
who is Anna Burger backing ?
183 Anna7000
Thank you for your kind words and I say it takes one to know one. We are much the better for having your wisdom, perspective, and guidance here. I hope we can meet sometime.
Murphy, Maryland or Mama;
Do we send all of our responses from the prowl’s including the positive ones?
Anna Burger is backing Bo
This article sums up what I have been feeling for some time.
We are witnessing the beginning of the end of democracy?
Can we still stand up for it?
YES WE CAN. Get lost Bambi, you don’t own anything.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/27/barackobama.gordonbrown
dances-perhaps you’re right. my former boss used to posit that the most recent thing folks have to be in the closet about is not being religious. i’ll not get into the topic more since it’s not the focus of this blog and i don’t want to upset too many folks (which it seems i often do).
Washington Post Needs Comments:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/26/AR2008072601972_pf.html
Prowl accomplished.
Please send her copies of every response that you have received from Democratic Party leaders (especially Donna Brazile) and from Delegates to the Convention.
thanks alohapuma,. this blog’s been a bit of a tricky place for me to navigate politically.
hillary
forever she must come campaign in SA
re#245 nernina..
I think maxine waters comments on PUMA are cruel and vicious put-downs meant to foment even MORE SEXISM..
maxine waters has been sitting up there comfortably in her congressional seat for many years now..
she better watch out because the California Hispanics are a growing political force and power in California and one day they are going to throw her butt out of office..
Just two things. First the reason you are receiving the message from Speaker Pelosi is probably because her e-mail is full. Wait to resend it tomorrow, by then some of the e-mail should be cleared out.
Second. Many Christians today are beginning not to give gifts for Christmas. The reason for this is that they feel by giving gifts they are stressing Santa Claus, not Christ. The object is that we Celebrate the Birth of Christ by going to church, or giving to the poor, or volunteering for something. Christmas remains about giving but not about getting. Please, I am no Obama lover but, not everything he does is a bad thing.
Hope I didn’t burst any bubbles. Lets be careful when we’re talking about peoples religion.
245 I always wonder when statements are made about “bitter tired old feminists whose husbands left them for younger women” where are all of these young women who supposedly want these old farts coming from? I recently went with my 17 year old daughter to have her senior pictures taken and on the way she was telling me her friend had had a “creepy old guy” for her photographer. Well the “creepy old guy” said hi to my daughter as she walked in, my daughter nudged me and said “see he is the guy I told you about”. The guy couldn’t have been older than 25 and she was creeped out by his attention. Yeah, I actually think these younger women who lust for old men exist only in old mens minds. The few young women who do pay attention to old farts are in lust with their financial assets not their physical assets.
re#263 SG..
don’t they call such young women who like old farts “gold diggers”??
I was totally disgusted with the NY delegates going en masse to Obama and Charlie Rangel is the culprit as he is the one that convinced Hillary to drop out as she didn’t have the support. I took our Puma prowl letter and changed it a little. Just sent it.
BY FAX: (202 225-0816
REP. Charles B. Rangel
Washington D.C. Office
2354 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Office: (202) 225-4365
Dear Super Delegate:
I am writing you today to respectfully URGE you to call on the DNC leadership to allow Senator Clinton to be placed in nomination for president at the Convention in Denver and that you URGE all Sen. Clinton’s delegates to switch back to her. . I believe Senator Clinton is the Democratic Party’s ONLY HOPE to beat John McCain in November and put a Democrat back in the White House. Please do more than simply accepting a symbolic role for Senator Clinton at the Convention. I believe you made a grave error in asking Sen. Clinton to suspend her campaign and support Sen. Obama. You well know the DNC violated its own rules in awarding Sen. Obama Michigan’s uncommitted delegates and also stealing 4 delegates from Sen. Clinton. How can you as a man who took an oath to uphold your office go along with this?
Neither candidate has enough pledged delegate support to secure the nomination. It is up to you to VOTE for the candidate you believe is most likely to beat John McCain in the general election. Polls show Senator Obama is losing support among Democratic voters with his constant change of positions, whether it’s the Iraq war or his vote for FISA. His grand world tour does not make him more qualified to be President, he is still a senator with a very thin resume. I am at a loss to understand why Senator Clinton was pushed out of the race even while she was winning. Polls show Senator Clinton with an advantage over John McCain in the general election. Al Sharpton’s threat that the blacks will riot is downright strong-arming. Conversely, I also have a right to my vote and it will not be Sen. Obama if Sen. Clinton is not the nominee. We cannot trust our country to an unqualified candidate and I will be forced to vote for Sen. McCain.
I ask that you fulfill your appointed role as Super Delegate and demand that you be allowed to VOTE for the best Democratic candidate our Party has seen in a generation. It is not too late to prevent ANOTHER general election loss for our Party. I am counting on you!
Sincerely, XXXXX
Puma PAC Democrat
253….she told me to take her off my list
I have news for her she never was on my list….
#262 gocleffnote
I question how you can fight for freedom of speech yet curtail people’s comments on religion. Right or wrong they are free to express.
I’m wondering, if Bo does win, how fast he’ll start getting the christmas card photo’s done. He has no conviction to anything, and Christmas will be celebtrated in some form by his family if it means feeding his ego.
PUMAs
take a look a this if you haven’t just yet.
http://www.songwave.com/articles/abongo-obama.htm
#264 freepuma,
Or Anna Nicole Smith LOL I still laugh when I think about how she said she really loved that old fart she was married too but yet she was in court immediately after his funeral fighting for his money.
Anyway I think I have left enough of my opinions on here for awhile and need to get some work done. It’s been fun and educational. See you on the flip side.
Bye ya’ll (at least for a little while)
Attacking Obama’s Economic Plan
Dear Pumas,
I’m posting the draft of a letter for your comments. I’d like to send this letter to people like Lou Dobbs, Sean Hannity, Charles Krauthammer, and Rush Limbaugh, because they have the courage to speak up against Obama. I think they could take this and run with it.
I’m not very knowledgeable about economics, but my gut feeling is that if Obama were President, he would bring economic disaster to America. I’ve presented my arguments to back this up.
Please feel free to comment on the content of this letter and/or to suggest other media personnel I should send it to. (If you can provide email addresses for the media personnel too, that would be a big help.)
Obviously, you can post your comments to the blog. However, don’t hesitate to email them to me also (firebellepuma at gmail.com). I often only scan the blog, so it’s easy to miss things.
Please also feel free to copy any of the content and use it in your own letters. If enough of us raise these issues, we’re more likely to get media consideration.
Thank you.
**************************
Dear Mr. ___ (or Ms. ____):
I’m writing to you because you’re one of the few media personalities with the intelligence and integrity to report the truth about Barack Obama.
If Obama were to become President of the United States, it would be an economic disaster far worse than we’ve experienced under President Bush or any other leader. I’m hoping you have the courage to show this to American voters.
I’ll admit that I haven’t read Obama’s economic plan. And I’m not economically savvy enough to understand everything or to compare the plans put forth by each of the candidates. Nor would I necessarily trust the well-crafted marketing documents posted on their web sites. These “plans” are little more than campaign promises, not a crystal ball into an economic future affected by numerous external factors a President has little control over.
However, as a taxpayer and as a self-employed business owner with perhaps a little more common sense than the average bear, I can readily see Barack Obama’s reckless spending habits and predict what it means to America should he ever become President.
I hope that if I share these thoughts with you, you’ll take the idea and run with it. I don’t have the expertise to do justice to this idea, but you do. And you have the vehicle to communicate it to voters.
My concerns about Obama’s economic plan began when I saw how he would outspend Hillary Clinton by two-, three-, or four-to-one during the primaries, but Hillary consistently got more votes per dollars spent. Although Hillary has often been criticized for her campaign debt, no one can argue that she “did more with less.” Even John McCain, who was almost counted out last summer, came roaring back to win his party’s nomination on a shoestring budget. McCain, too, did more with less.
My own economic health depends on making wise choices that allow me to keep more of my money. I can’t be successful if I’m spending two, three, or four times what someone else would pay for comparable results. Yet that’s what Barack Obama does … and presumably what he would do with taxpayer money should he become President. He’ll spend our money recklessly, as is common with people who suddenly come into unearned wealth, then raise everyone’s taxes to pay for his indiscretions.
Am I judging him too harshly? I don’t think so. The Obama campaign has often made a big deal of how he was able to raise a tremendous amount of money mostly through small donations. To me, that’s code for how he plans to finance programs in the future. If millions of ordinary people are willing to repeatedly make small donations to finance his campaign, it follows that millions more should be willing to keep making small donations (i.e., pay a little more in taxes each month) to implement whatever program he’s currently trying to sell us.
If Obama doesn’t tax us directly, he’ll do so indirectly, such as through a fuel tax hike to pay for new pathways to energy independence. It doesn’t take a crystal ball to see how this snake oil salesman will pander to other lawmakers under his spell to get such things through Congress.
It’s also easy to see that there’s no limit to how much Obama will spend to feed his ego. For example, there was the fake Presidential seal that Obama had to quickly dump after all the negative publicity. More recently, it was the $300,000 he spent to repaint his airplane. And for what? Whom did it benefit? What did that costly modification do for Americans that the original paint job didn’t accomplish just as well?
Obama has spoken of creating a civilian national security force. Why? It seems to me that Obama is merely interested in remaking the world into his own image instead of shoring up and improving programs already in existence. If, for example, we weren’t spending so much money fighting terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan, we could spend it fighting the “terrorism” that exists on the streets where people are afraid to let their children play outside for fear they might be shot by their own neighbors.
Worst of all is this obscenely expensive overseas publicity stunt. If Obama were being a fiscally conservative bipartisan leader, he would have accompanied John McCain on a joint fact-finding mission, splitting the expenses with his opponent. That would have demonstrated a willingness and ability to reach across the aisle for a win-win solution. It would have demonstrated a commitment to restoring our own economy instead of wasting billions in Iraq. Instead, Obama proved that he has worse judgment than even our current President.
And who is paying for this obscenely expensive overseas publicity stunt? We are. I don’t know how much of it is being paid for by campaign donations versus tax dollars. But does it matter? One way or another, it’s all coming out of our pockets. And one way or another, it’s driving up our national debt. Surely we didn’t budget for unforeseen expenses, such as the unparalleled Secret Service protection now needed for this buffoon. What nation is loaning us the money to cover that until we can recoup the loss through higher taxes?
Meanwhile, Obama refuses to do the comparatively low-cost things that would have a greater impact on this campaign. For example, look at how much negative publicity he’s getting because he canceled plans to visit wounded soldiers in Germany. Bad choice.
And then there’s my favorite: Obama’s refusal to do the weekly town hall debates that John McCain keeps asking for. How can I evaluate the candidates side-by-side, answering the same questions, when Obama refuses to debate John McCain? Surely, this relatively low-budget “campaign appearance” is worth doing … and something voters are entitled to.
In fact, Obama’s refusal to debate John McCain tells me far more about Obama than he realizes. It tells me that this man who repeatedly said “I welcome that debate with John McCain” during the primaries is not a man of his word. It tells me that he’s not someone who can or will reach across the aisle to work with Republicans. It tells me that he doesn’t believe in transparency in government. It tells me that he’s uncertain of his own stated policies and that he lacks the conviction to debate them with people who would challenge his judgment. It tells me that Obama is afraid to speak without a teleprompter and the scripted words of his speechwriters. Obama’s refusal to do this simple, expected, and relatively low-cost campaign effort reinforces everything I believe about the man being all flash and no substance.
I wish that I were economically savvy enough to present my argument more effectively. I hope that I’ve presented it effectively enough that you can take it and run with it. These are simple, common sense points that any voter should be able to relate to, regardless of how well they understand the candidates’ economic plans. And they’re points based on evidence that economic advisers really can’t spin to make Obama look good. When voters listen not just to a candidate’s words but also to a candidate’s actions, they get a far more accurate picture of what the candidates believe.
Thank you for your consideration.
265 ladyhawkke
You have to wonder what they said to Hillary during that conference call.
#236 Politically motivated beginning with the oracle on his plane and with our tax dollars to boot. Some media suggested parts of the trip were paid by the campaign. I feel we should have a released full accounting to prove that is true. IMO, as the plane was painted in campaign style, which means he adveritsed on every stop, all of this whirlwind world tour trip should be funded by entirely campaign monies.
re#269 BC…
all of these revelations about Obama are important and give credence to the perception of shared by many Americans that Obama is not telling the American people..HIS TRUE BELIEFS..he is being dishonest and hiding his true intentions for political expediency..he is also not being honest with the American people as to his associations with crooks,terrorists and black racists such as Farrakhan and Wright..
IMHO Obama is a liar,fraud and a phony..
#241 007girl
i have CNN on, and i heard the reporter say…” Obama is already getting drape measurements from the White House” !!! I am not sure if he was joking, but i can’t believe how presumptuous this guy is !!! This guy is a freakin joke !!!
So when Hillary is in the Whitehouse we can ship his uglyass curtains to him COD!
So far I haven’t found the date of Hillary’s speech at the Convention, I remember the 24th another blog said the 26th. Hope we have a Bay Area chat with all soon.
re#271 FB..
your letter is good but where I think you would run into some credibility trouble would be this part..”I’ll admit that I haven’t read Obama’s economic plan. And I’m not economically savvy enough to understand everything or to compare the plans put forth by each of the candidates.”
–other wise I think it’s a great letter..
Posted on the WP article on BO’s egotrip:
All Hail the Big “O”
Obama had the American Flag on his plane painted over with the big “O”, loaded it up with his entourage (including Presidential Campaign Staff), and flew off on his egotrip overseas. He paraded around and put on concerts along with his speeches, posing for lots of “historic” photos. And this was followed by polls on what the locals thought about having Obama as the President of the US. Now, he did not visit our sick troops because the Pentagon drew the line on bringing his Presidential Campaign Staff there, but otherwise he had a rock star journey, meeting with all kinds of foreign officials on US Business.
However, Obama has not even been confirmed as the Democratic Party’s Nominee for President. The DNC can still nominate Hillary for the Democratic Presidential Candidate at the August Convention. When Clinton suspended her campaign, Obama got no bump on his polls. The narcissistic presumption of the presumptibe nominee has offended many and he has apparently recieved no significant bump here on his ego trip. So there is alot of talk about the polling overseas.
However, the people overseas were asked if they would like to see Obama as President of the US. After so many years of the Bush Administration, I’m sure most of them would like to see Obama as our President, especially if they do not like us. But would they like him for their President?
Obama needs to fly his Big “O” back over there and become their Messiah. He is not mine.
After reading Ladyhawke’s post #165, I have some questions for all of us who are working so hard to change people’s minds. Do we believe the party leaders feel they made a mistake in selecting BO? Have we asked them? Do we believe the majority of the DNC who are going along with this selection of BO support the process that gave him delegates in Michigan when he wasn’t on the ballot; or took delegates awarded to HRC to give to him? These are the questions I want answered. Because if I am trying to persuade anyone, including a delegate, to change her mind, I want to address the reasoning that caused her to make up her mind in the first place.
For example, Senator Kerry said he supports BO because he is black. Therefore, having lived in the US, he understands oppression (presumably at the hands of whites)and will be able to get along better with moderate Muslims than Muslim extremists.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/kerry-obama-cou.html
So, hypothetically, if I wanted to engage in a dialog with Senator Kerry over his endorsement of BO, I might point out one of the myriad flaws in his reasoning. For example, I would say that, even assuming a major foreign policy goal of the US is to support moderate Muslims against radical Muslims; and that moderate Muslims are oppressed; and the fact that BO is black means he understands oppression and that this understanding translates to aiding the oppressed; then the fact he is white could equally mean he would aid radical Muslim oppressors because he understands power.
As for Representative Tubbs Jones and other black legislators who have previously expressed support for HRC and now appear to have moved to BO… Given the threats made against them and their families for their support, only some of which threats have been publicly recounted, I can only imagine what motivates any of their decisions.
I am too old to be naive but, I believe when push comes to shove, most people will act in the way they feel is in the best interest of our country. I just wish I knew which of his supporters truly believed making BO the POTUS is in the best interest of the country.
re#277 HC… as to obamas big “O”..
it should be a big “0″
219 Anna7000
The contributor to American Thinker is a smart lady.
#276 freepuma
Thanks. I was trying to be honest. But your point is well taken. We’ll see what others have to say.
Thank you again billijo…..i will hopefully figure out my schedule by tomorrow!!!!
#181 kpw26 Isn’t there a petition already out to get Hil in the white house? You can go to ipetitions.com and start your own.
Is it tradtion that a new in-coming President to change the drapes?? I really didn’t know that!!
271 Firebelle
[My concerns about Obama’s economic plan began when I saw how he would outspend Hillary Clinton by two-, three-, or four-to-one during the primaries, but Hillary consistently got more votes per dollars spent. Although Hillary has often been criticized for her campaign debt, no one can argue that she “did more with less.” Even John McCain, who was almost counted out last summer, came roaring back to win his party’s nomination on a shoestring budget. McCain, too, did more with less. ]
Also keep in mind Hillary has MORE on hand for the general election than Obama according to the latest figures. Hillary has 23 million and Obama about 12 million. Most people don’t understand this point and the media never mentions it.
The reason Hillary is carrying debt is because she reserved 23 million for the general election early in the primary process. I think she got some bad advise (personally) and they didn’t understand the machine behind Obama.
jbjd – interesting post. i guess you’d have to tailor your letters individually to address the specific motivations of the SD and/or DNC member. this is my perspective: i think your idea is right on. i also think that it’s probably a momumental task to try to find out this kind of into. and, i think for many sd’s, so much of what they say publically is political, so you never really know what is truly in their hearts and minds. even kerry, saying he supports obama because he is black, i think, wow, what an insane reason. in fact, it amazes me that he comes out and says this it’s so stupid. but i’d be really interested if you continue down this path and actually find out different motives for different sd’s as to what you learn and how you craft your letters. more power to you for taking that on!
#285 alohapuma
Interesting point. However, I’m reluctant to use information I can’t confirm. Besides, the letter is already quite long. If I add too much, people won’t read it.
007 girl – i think the drapes thing is more symbolic than anything, just to suggest new folks moving into the house! a lot of what’s in the white house is actually owned by the people; historic furniture, etc. but i would assume new presidents and their spouses also have some space in which to leave their own mark in terms of interior design. i would imagine obama would be interest in a lot of mirrors!
hi everyone i was in Washington Post
Will go back in
anne7000
[i would imagine obama would be interest in a lot of mirrors!]
LOL!! Of course!
#248 texassherry – under god was added to the pledge of allegiance during eisenhowers presidency – was not in the original & I think it should be removed…my opinion
19 prplvette85 on 07.27.08 at 11:16 am prowland:
Most black churches do not celebrate Christmas or Easter in the commercial way.Because it is a man made holiday. They celebrate the birth of Christ, but do not have xmas trees, gifts etc. They also do not allow halloween etc. Mostly it is the Pentecostal’s that don’t. Not the baptist etc.
Well I am black and baptist and I would love an early Christmas can I have a gift plz.
Obama is a closeted radical Muslim = a fraud and a liar.
TrishfromCanada
I would certainly not want to stop anyone’s right to free speech and I think that a discussion about religion is great. I just don’t think that we should condemn anyone for their beliefs and as a professional church worker, it sometimes bothers me that some of us feel that we need to criticize someones beliefs. Just doesn’t feel right to me. Discussion yes, criticism no.
New presidents get to redecorate the Oval Office.
287 Firebelle Puma
It may not be appropriate for your letter, but I wanted to highlight this point. When the campaigns disclosed there financials for June those were the numbers for the general election.
It’s important to note that if Hillary did come out of the convention as the nominee she has 23 million to hit the ground running.
278 jbjd on 07.27.08 at 3:48 pm wrote:
..for all of us who are working so hard to change people’s minds. Do we believe the party leaders feel they made a mistake in selecting BO? Have we asked them? …. I believe when push comes to shove, most people will act in the way they feel is in the best interest of our country. I just wish I knew which of his supporters truly believed making BO the POTUS is in the best interest of the country.
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Your intention is most admirable; however, the biggest obstacle for PUMA now is the time factor.
I agree with Anna7000 (in a much earlier post)that we will not be able to change people’s mind before the convention. At this stage of the game, most minds are already made up.
We need to go after the supers, the undecided delegates, the Hillary supporters that #24 cosmeta talked about that are unaware of Hillary’s position etc. to swing the tide.
We need to push hard to reach these groups now.
Yes we can. You would be surprised what you can do
Here’s a nice inspirational video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_jH5QJ6ncg
he probably will have images of himself on those drapes!!
We are very large and strong so really there is nothing we can’t do. Just stay focussed
I know i’m anxious to go to Denver.
#296 alohapuma
It’s a good point. It’s one I wasn’t aware of.
Plus Hillary would also benefit from all the anti-McCain ads Obama and the DNC have already been running.
Has anyone seen Tree on here in a awhile?
I wrote 2 comments in the Washington Post lol i guess there are a lot of us in there
Yes last night i saw Tree
Obama plans to duck debates run out the clock
Obama making Dean Smith proud on town halls
His answer in the last minutes of “Meet the Press” on whether he’ll do any of the town halls John McCain has proposed seems to make clear
that he intends to run out the clock, Four Corners-style, on the
matter:
Continue: http://countusout. wordpress. com/
297 i believe you are right
#300 007girl on 07.27.08 at 4:24 pm
[[he probably will have images of himself on those drapes!!]]
Himself and his logo. Girl, I’m going to think of that disgusting image every time I go to a fabric store now.
#294 gogleffnote
I agree 1000%
Yes John i saw that on Fox News also.
#309
lol
#292 Susie1945,
Yes, I am well aware of that. Isn’t it great that we have the freedom to express our differences in opinions? That is what I am fighting to keep. Whether they change the words or not I want the freedom to say it the way that I want and will do whatever it takes to keep that right. I hope that is one thing we can all agree on. It is that belief that made America strong and it is what will keep America strong.
BHO will have bling bling and chicken bones every where.
If he is elected will the name change from, The White House to The House of Mirrors?
30 storytellers
“jews obviously do not celebrate xmas
but do celebrate birthday, etc
buy gifts 4 others…….”
Just to put the record straight… Jews may not celebrate xmas… but we do celebrate Hanukah… the festival of lights in which we remember the victory over a very oppressive group that tried to wipe out Jews. There’s numerous attempts of this long before Hitler.
One of the reason’s I think I saw through the dangers of BO so quickly and why many Jews do not trust BO. We are taught and trained to learn the lessons from the past and to try to recognize them to prevent them for the future (since history DOES repeat itself).
I think TigressGold is trying to get in. She is new here and she tried the other night but didn’t get in and gave up
171 Lady thank you for link Husband and I both voted and I watched total to make sure it was going through
I think we should push hard Obama to promise on record do at least two townhall meetings IF he get the nomination. Not that it would mean anything, but his evasion on this speaks volumes to people who aren’t following this as closely as some of us.
Shutting down. Thanks for the stirring conversation.
BTW… this link was posted last night… and it’s a very interesting read. In fact, when I read this article — I got the impression that BO has spent a lot of time being raised there — besides the OBVIOUS impression of the article that tells us what we already know… that BO’s promises are empty:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23520981-details/Barack+Obama%27s+broken+promise+to+African+village/article.do
Lets see if she made it
And as a side note — BO must be getting a delayed bounce from the trip overseas… it’s been slowly rising. We got our work cut out for us. Hope now that he is back in the states this trend will reverse again:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/109102/Gallup-Daily-Obama-49-McCain-40.aspx
#315 MountainSong on 07.27.08 at 4:34 pm
[[If he is elected will the name change from, The White House to The House of Mirrors?]]
“Mirror, mirror on the wall, who’s the evilest of them all?”
Ok i need to reboot
Good Riverdaughter read
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/
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Hello Pumas – I am new here today – my first post – lurking in the background – I want Hillary nominated and big changes in the DNC – am I in the right place?? LOL
#269 Bellecat
It is odd about Wikipedi. I read an article about Cindy McCain and they mentioned that she had a hysterectomy because of back pain. I wrote to them to ask what a hysterectomy and back pain have in common. Seems like an extreme solution to remove organs for back pain. The answer I got from Wikipedia was that is what they were told by someone. Credibility went out the window!
I have some questions regarding a tilted uterus. I visited my OB-GYN because of back pain, pelvic pressure and bloating. An ultrasound was conducted along with a pelvic exam. He said I have a tilted uterus and this is causing the pain.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Women-s-Health-3228/tilted-uterus.htm
#322 mzebest on 07.27.08 at 4:41 pm a little more,
poll data at realpolitics.com shows states that are toss ups, via polling, represents a significant percentage of the electoral vote, as well as slippage in battleground states for both but MORE for Obama
there are just as many uncommitted as committed
see: http://hillaryheads.blogspot.com/
GO PUMAS, ON TO DENVER, to support Hillary’s name in nomination and name as THE candidate
About the polls. Do you think that the Republicans want the polls to look like this because that we our argument for Hillary is not as strong and then they would be running against Obama, who they can defeat and not Hillary, who they can’t defeat?
328 hillaryistheone
a lot of women have a tilted ut., without the problems you are describing. Get a second opinion
I don’t have the problem….got rid of mine years ago!!!
They were talking about Cindy McCain having a hysterectomy because of back pain.
#327 shasta2001 and #269 Bellecat
Here’s something that everyone SHOULD read to know something about Cindy McCain
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2043921/posts
#329 hillaryhead
Thanks for that information. That makes me feel better.
I am going out to mark puma territory again in the SF bay area.
Lord have mercy.
Cindy McCain will make a great first lady. Would much rather have Bill Clinton as first man!!
#269 Bellecat
#328 hillaryistheone
anything in the soft tissue lower abdominal area of the pelvis can have lots to do with back pain; wherever the pelvis is positioned the lumbar spine is positioned-because of the extensive soft tissue connections between the two bony areas.
once the pelvis and lumbar spine change in position to gravity, go away from the designed position of gravity (as homosapiens), the muscles and joints alignment changes, that in front of gravity is put on slack or loosened, that behind is put on stretch or increases in tension
#328 Hillaryisheone
Check out the HERS Foundation. They are very informative.
Sorry to get off track, just thought Wikipedia should investigate things more. Saying somone told us that was kind of lame!
#336 hillaryistheone
“Cindy McCain will make a great first lady. Would much rather have Bill Clinton as first man!!”
LOL! I totally agree with that thought.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP6aQfknjT0
Just watch this.
Send it to everyone you know. And tell them, to send it to everyone they know, telling them to send it to everyone they know.
PUMATIZE the Nation! PUMATIZE the World!
GO GO GO!
GALLUPING POLLS
Todays Daily Gallup poll shows a record 9% difference between McCain and Obama (historically 0 -7%), most likely reflecting some benefit from his recent egotrip. Most interesting is the fact that Obama did not just go up 3% over his average, McCain went down 3% below his average. The sum of the percentages did not significantly change. http://www.gallup.com/poll/election2008.aspx . McCain overall average 43%, BO 46%.
So, what’s going on? This is one of the more reputable polls. The fact is that 1 in 4 Americans believe what they see on the news as unbiased. And the news is saturated with polls about what people overseas though about BO as our president. Even the Gallup Poll posted numbers. Of course, they did not ask if those sampled would also like to see us burn in Halifax, which is a good question after so many years of Bush.
I also believe that the GOP has enough savey to manipulate the polls that they cannot influence. It looks like they have been keeping McCain 3% behind Obama for some time now. Why let him slip now? That egotrip was so loaded with good ammunition, and all they fired was about the hospital visit.
PUMA is a wildcard. We are part of the 11% “missing” from the total (equivalent to around 10 – 14 million people). The GOP has to keep Obama favorable until after the DNC Convention or Clinton’s chances will improve too much. The more PUMA progresses, the more the GOP will withdraw. Watch the total. It is simple math. If the total is 89% and they need to give BO a 10 – 15 point lead, then they need to drop McCain to 37-39% and let BO rise to 50-52% and this will happen leading into the Convention.
It is imperative that we continue our efforts to post and communicate the choices that Americans have available to them. This would be the time to really promote the Clinton Option. Go! Go! Go!
#330 gocleffnote
The data I researched was from realpolitics.com; Republicans had nothing and I believe have nothing to do with the results.
I believe that it reflects that:
JSND coalition is having an effect because they or people thinking like them were surveyed, randomly supposedly
An electoral college majority for Obama does not exist, may not exist, if Hillary is not the candidate period.
No recent polls with HRC vs McCain as presidental choices. I would like to see that one asked again. It would be quite different now. The party (Denver) is not over until it is over.
If Obama, Dems loose, if Hillary, who knows?
#341 Headclunker
I was waiting for you to post your analysis of the daily tracking polls. Very insightful!
#240 Eward
Done. Here it is. (I post there as jbjd, too.)
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Would the people who support BO for POTUS have us accept that they believe a one-week visit to foreign countries, shaking the hands of foreign leaders, and reading speeches, in English, to foreign citizens (amassed in part to hear foreign bands), is tantamount to possessing the requisite foreign policy credentials for the job, especially given the fact that even the candidate ridiculed HRC for claiming foreign policy credentials acquired during 8 years as First Lady?
http://www.nationaljournal.com/onair/transcripts/080314_craig_greg.htm
No; I suspect any pleasure BO’s supporters feel at the end of his week-long excursion is nothing more than a collective sigh of relief that, given his recent history, he didn’t commit yet another international faux pas while he was away.
That’s all we need; another President elected to office because he met our lowered expectations.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=120210
Because I want the most qualified person elected to office, I pray HRC wins the Democratic primary once the votes on her ballot nomination are counted at the convention.
PUMA
The most interesting commonality @realpolitics.com poll data is that much showing NoObama in one way or another is quite recent, this past week, in Ohio, Colorado, and Pennsylvannia. The number of articles listed questioning Obama and his chances has skyrocketted, as they have done with less exponential rises but important rises nonetheless at MSM sites.
The tide has turned and polls are reflecting it.
The polls will change 100 times before Nov, but the problem will start we he has to debate and after the convention…that will be the tell all. You must understand the people that pay for these polls get the numbers they want…This bounce is an illusion brought and paid for
#346 john on 07.27.08 at 5:30 pm
I think he’ll dip this week after the Obamapalooza Tour is out of mind. It appears that the topic at the start of the week will be about not visiting the troops, whether he changes his mind about the success of the surge and I’m sure there will be some news piece about BO and Petraeus (or with the Military in general).
He’ll get another big bounce when (IF) he makes his alleged MLK-like speech at Mile High Stadium.
It’s impertiave that we continue to work hard, especially in swing states.
“Letter From A Soldier” post from: http://nativeamericansagainstobama.wordpress.com/
“…It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.”
OMG, it gets worse and worse.
Thank you JSND and PUMAS for providing a connection point. Thank you all pumapac’ers
… and to add: I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets a bump during the olympics with all the ad buys he’s made. ($5 million?)
We’ll have to see what the RNC has up their sleeve to compete against that or change public opinion that that practice of BO’s campaign is arrogant.
Many of us already see that.
Hello guys,
new to this site. I am curious if you guys think the repubs are gonna lay low all the way?? I have never voted repub before, I will be this year. I am worried with all the dirt they must have on the empty-suit, why are the repubs NOT saying anything?
#65 Headclunker and #34 Ladyhawkk – BO and Florida
After the RBC meeting on May 31st — an AP article on Yahoo was written in which there was a brief mention that at the convention BO was promising to give full seating and delegates their full weight at the convention. A friend of mine who had read the article — sent me the link because he was furious and instantly pointed out that BO wanted his cake and eat it too. That he interpreted that small tidbit of information to mean that: After BO is guaranteed the nomination, after he no longer needs the votes of delegates and super delegates… that he would restore the votes to FL and MI to make himself look like the good guy since he was the ONE to restore the votes.
Just hope that people outside the PUMA community will see through this tactic.
#346 john
Check out Rasmussen’s web site. I don’t think they are bought by anyone; if they were I don’t think that they would be reporting Obama leads.
Thanks john #346
#349 IndyPUMA
“Many of us already see that.”
I hope that many more potential JSND’s and Pac’ers see that too. If it is out on MSM and polls and not only on our blogs, many many more could join us or at least support Hillary in Denver.
200,000 people came to see these BANDS
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.morgenpost.de/berlin/article713356/Obama_im_Kanzleramt_eingetroffen.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DGerman%2BReggeas%25C3%25A4nger%2BPatrice%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG
Let’s get behind HRC
http://ohmyvalve.blogspot.com/2008/07/become-clinton-lobbyist.html
opps maybe tiny url huh
#348
it is shamelessnessthat guffy flew around
ONLY
to have pictures taken, for propagandist purposes
Allright Pumas, enough talk! We need to act! This back and forth is going nowhere. I already faxed a letter to Charlie Rangel, I don’t have any more time today but will get on the superdelegate list that I got from Ricki Lieberman. I notice Howard Dean is on there, anyway, apparently she wants us to contact these people. I’m going to e-mail her back and ask for more names. By the way, I thought we had a big superdelegate contact list that we were going to work on. I didn’t see that in the Action Center or did I miss it? I suppose we could still go to lobbydelegates.com and continue to harass the ones that haven’t changed their e-mail addy. Ricki says we should be contacting the same people over and over, not to give up. Here’s what I got today which is a REPOST from downstairs. I’m going to e-mail as well as fax mine so I’ll have to look up their fax numbers.
I received the following names thru Puma Responders regarding the delegates to contact. I don’t know how to give you a link, so I just copied it and am pasting it here.
CA Nancy Pelosi (202) 225-4965 AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov
2 VT Howard Dean (202) 863-8000 HowardDean@dnc.org
3 MA Edward Markey (202) 225-2836 http://markey.house.gov/index.php?option=com_email_form&Itemid=124
4 WV Pat Maroney (304) 346-9629 patrickmaroney@aol.com
5 GA Jim Marshall (202) 225-6531 http://www.house.gov/writerep/
6 CO Ramona Martinez (303) 922-0509 ramonamartinez@yahoo.com
7 FL Raul Martinez (305) 885-8000 raul@martinezfernandezpr.com
8 TX Robert Martinez (214) 638-6543 bmartinez@iamaw.org
9 PA Sophie Masloff (412) 421-7440
10 WA Sharon Mast (425) 641-1913 skmast@att.net
11 UT Jim Matheson (202) 225-3011 https://forms.house.gov/matheson/contact_sec.shtml
12 CA Doris Matsui (202) 225-7163 http://www.congress.org/congressorg/webreturn/?url=http://www.house.gov%2Fmatsui
13 VA Terence McAuliffe (202) 408-2671 terry@tdmca.com
14 KY Terry McBrayer (859) 231-8780 tmcbrayer@mmlk.com
15 NY Carolyn McCarthy (202) 225-5516 http://www.congress.org/congressorg/webreturn/?url=http://carolynmccarthy.house.gov
16 PR Kenneth McClintock (787) 722-4010 senator_mcclintock@yahoo.com
17 WA Jim McDermott (202) 225-3106 http://www.house.gov/mcdermott/contact.shtml
18 MT Dennis McDonald (406) 442-9520 mcdonald@wildblue.net
19 WA David McDonald (206) 370-7957 david.mcdonald@klgates.com
20 OK Betty McElderry (405) 527-3563 bettymc@cebridge.net;
21 PA Gerald McEntee (202) 429-1100 gmcentee@afscme.org
22 MA James McGovern (202) 225-6101 http://www.congress.org/congressorg/webreturn/?url=http://www.house.gov%2Fmcgovern
23 NC Mike McIntyre (202) 225-2731 http://www.house.gov/mcintyre/IMA/issue.htm
24 OH Rhine McLin (937) 333-3653 lanamclin@aol.com
25 CA Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 http://mcnerney.house.gov/contact.shtml
26 NY Michael McNulty (202) 225-5076 http://www.congress.org/congressorg/webreturn/?url=http://www.house.gov%2Fmcnulty
27 MO Leila Medley (573) 634-3202 leila.medley@mnea.org;
My post did not make it – what did I do wrong??
Obama does it again with her mega concert speech and the US media stays silent 2 popular bands is why they showed up as they did in Oregon
http://www.hillarygreenmountain.org/
#353 john
ah ha!
THANKS!!!! did not know
LOL! I’m in moderation again, just like downstairs! Murphy, what’s going on with that comment?
By the way, I’m trying to find the e-mail Donna Brazile sent me when she said she was archiving me but don’t know how to do the search. I use Outlook Express. I did Crtl f5 and Shift f5, neither worked.
re: polls. some are more reputable than others. i think gallop and rasmussen are highly respected. but, as one poster said, the polls will change a million times between now and election day, though i have found it disturbing that while obama hasn’t held a significant lead for any length of time, he has been ahead of mccain pretty consistently for a while now. here’s my theory to keep myself encouraged: mccain and the gop are laying relatively low since they would prefer obama to be the nominee over clinton. then, if obama does indeed become the nominee, i believe/hope they will pull out all the stops and will define him as they defined kerry and gore. the gop can be ruthless, something i always hated and dreaded. but, man am i ever counting on it now (that is, if obama gets the nomination)!
someone said yesterday, i think, keep your eyes on the prize. the convention is the target, which boils down to sd’s. them, and the media. we just have to keep hammering away. then as alohapuma and others have said, the chips will fall where they may.
The Clintoners in Denver, they are a changin’
thanks #354 goandersen
Obama is such a fool! Of course, he doesn’t want town hall meetings, he won’t be able to use the teleprompter. Also, he says he wants Bubba campaigning for him! Not!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/12083.html
#361 Anna7000
YES INDEED!!!!
I had to laugh regarding the fact that BO is looking for an ethical intelligent person to run with him….as far as I can tell, we are running FROM him, not with him
Comment on the upper thread comments about life in the Swinging State of Virginia –
Yes, we are getting the full court press- repeated commercials, as if Obama needs them, saturation coverage of Obama by the MSM, Obama voter registration tables at concerts and phone calls for our voting age children –
We will need every vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee.
I don’t know about you folks, but I am fired up about the info we received last night via Murphy’s NQR conversation with Ray, the Clinton Pledged Delegate. I have been on a tear today.
First, I googled a list of Clinton Pledged Delegates from my state. Clinton won AZ. She has 20 pledged delegates to Noname’s 14.
Second, I went to the AZ Democratic Party website and emailed a contact:
“Amanda, please email me a PDF of the Pledged Delegate Petition to place a name into nomination at the Democratic National Convention. If you cannot email a PDF then fax to 520-***-****. If you are the wrong contact person, then forward this message to the contact person that is responsible for sending out requested information to Arizona residents. Thank you.”
And if you really want to stay fired up about being set up, go and look at the front page of the DNC website. F@ck the DNC!
Well, I feel sad that no one responded to my post.
I would have liked to have felt that Americans appreciated our forces fighting alongside your forces, especially as I have family in the military. Obama seems to think the British are insignificant, and I wondered what average Americans thought?
#367 gay gal
Send me an e-mail to prowlngrowl @ gmail . com I’ll send you back a list of what you want for the SD’s
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gay gal – are you suggesting that anyone can place a name in nomination? otherwise, what’s your action, i’m interested to understand it better. my impression of how a name gets placed in nomination is that there’s a vote that goes state by state alphabetically. a state can pass to be returned to later if they want to. a name gets placed in nomination, or not, by the first state that does so. fortunately, arkansas comes up soon in the alphabet and would hopefully place clinton’s name in nomination. but, i’m not sure. this is just my recollection (not the most reliable of things as i age!) from prior conventions. if you have the time and patience, can you explain your strategy a bit more? thanks.
I agree with you–and perhaps he dismisses England because England pretty much dismissed him
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#368 PumaAllie
I didn’t see your previous most, but am sure we Americans are very grateful and proud to have the support of our British friends and military.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WqQL5WFN20
#368 PumaAllie,
I didn’t see your first post but I for one am very grateful to our British friends. Even though they did not agree with GW they still stood and continue to stand by our side. I believe that they are our greatest alli. I hope someday to visit there because I just love the British people. I can only speak for me, my family, and friends, but I don’t think we are alone in this.
in ref to England
prime minester G BROWN
loss elections in his homeland
there is a general desire of the English people
that the general election would be anticipated
they do not like the way the labour party (socialist)
is doing
therefore I suspect they do not give bleep about goffy
sorry if that came across, not the way I intended it. I feel a bit emotional today and I just want HILLARY TO WIN!
#27 nhforhillary……who is bashing you? Let me at’em. You guys/gals are the best!! It’s our idiot “commander in chief”, that needs the bashing (literally), for not listening to the commanders on the ground and for not giving you guys all the tools you need for the job!
goandersen – i don’t live in cindy’s district, but i have been in touch with her campaign and once she gets enough signatures to be on the ballot, i’ll definitely donate to her. once this convention is over and once the general election is over, for me the next focus will be on unseating dems who’ve been disappointing to say the least this year. needless to say, pelosi’s at the top of the list!
hello?
#373 andersen
How do I find out info about those who are going to the convention from Southern AZ. I know no buses that are going from my area. Tucson to Denver is only a 13 hr drive anyway. I just don’t want to go alone. Any suggestions!
#129 Knoxville Puma on 07.27.08 at 1:21 pm, WROTE TO,
cosmeta,
[[ Thank you for the conversation we had the other night about the Wisconsin superdelegate. It really helped me in writing the letter to Wineke and the Democratic Party of Wisconsin. Have you seen it? Did you notice your influence in it?
NOTE:
I changed the 1st sentence of the 5th paragraph to:
But I must ask you, why do you have a problem with it?
Does that sound ok, or should I put it back to:
But I must ask you, “Why do you have a problem with that?”
Please advise!
The letter is at http://www.NotFallingInLine.org
]]
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Just read it now… And no, I did not notice my influence. Does it matter? Even if my influence is there, ideas cannot be copyrighted. And if it’s words, just take what you need. I don’t have a problem with that.
Your letter is very good, I thought, and *YOU* you should be proud of at as YOUR creation.
Very nicely done!
370 can out of state people sign it ?
Some good articles being posted here.
Like the one below. Don’t want to post them all. Just visit and post back if you wish.
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=21401
She is the only one who is qualified and will heal all these wounds. I am so certain everything will be wrong in the world if O gets the nomination. Please please please do everything you can and more to get Hillary Rodham Clinton, on the top of the ticket. We need her.
#357 john
And did you know that BO also provided free beer with those concerts? Laura Ingrahm hinted to this fact when she substituted on the O’Reilly Factor for FOX a few days back.
puma allie – i didn’t see your post either. sorry you’re having a rough day. i can relate. this is pretty intense and we are all so passionate and have so much invested. sometimes i have to take a breath, take a step back and gain perspective and remember that no matter what happens, we will survive. and, i think this movement has become so much larger than being just about hillary (though that is now our primary focus), but about the broader issues of democratic process, having our voices heard and be counted, and about being empowered as voters with regard to our elected officials.
no matter what happens, i have to believe it will be ok. but it’s so f***** hard to be this frustrated and dumbfounded and dismissed for so long.
sending a hug across the atlantic.
re#361 anna7000
Machiavelli would be proud of you!
#350 mzebest
Donna Brazille made the comment after the DNC meeting saying (under her breath, kinda) well, they’ll (MI and FL) probably be reinstated in full this summer.
She may not even have said probably. I remember her remark very well and no one said a word about it!
#387 Anna7000 thanks, you don’t know how much I really needed it. Thanks
((((big hugs )))) back your way my friends.
#129 Knoxville Puma on 07.27.08 at 1:21 pm, WROTE TO,
cosmeta,
[[ Thank you for the conversation we had the other night about the Wisconsin superdelegate. It really helped me in writing the letter to Wineke and the Democratic Party of Wisconsin. Have you seen it? Did you notice your influence in it?]]
On second thought Knoxville… are you sure that you are not mixing me with another who deserves your praise?|?
#381 to andersen
Please feel free to email me with any info/direction you can offer.
381 gay gal
have you contacted southwest@pumapac.org?
Let them know you are going and want to carpool.
you people amaze me though! please keep on doing what you are doing! democracy is dying, and you are saving it.
hey puma allie – isn’t it almost the middle of the night in great britian? you should be knackered (sp?) by now, no?
lol. It is 11:15 PM.
I should be, and probably will be in about half an hour or so.
380 Anna 7000
I don’t live in her district either. I am a little south.
She could use contributions now to get the needed signatures. I will do all I can to unseat Pelosi!
Thanks for reading.
McCaskill just said on Fox that the Democratic Party will be just fine with or without Hillary Clinton!!!!
Can you believe that —–!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well PUMAs BHO just said that Iraq is doing better. Read this article:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/27/obama-iraq-is-getting-better-trouble-is-in-afghanistan/
McCain should be all over it by now.
381 gay gal
I don’t have your email.
also sign up at http://www.18millionvoices.blogspot.com/
if you haven’t already.
puma allie – sorry for the mispell of britain! i was trying to write like i should speak in obama land, with an accent. you know, like pokiston instead of pakistan. franse instead of france. so i guess now, we must say grite britin! (that’s my lame excuse for a typo, but had to seize on obama’s idiocy!)
I just sent an e-mail to Sen. Geller (FL) regarding his decision to drop his lawsuit against the DNC. This should be a big PUMA action. Pumas, just use any city in Florida and e-mail him. I don’t have the link to the story, it was posted somewhere this morning but I can’t find it. I also sent a bcc to Ricki Lieberman.
Dear Sen. Geller:
I am writing to voice my concern that you are dropping your lawsuit with regard to seating the full Florida delegation. I find Sen. Obama’s assurances that the full delegation will be seated at the convention to be deceitful and underhanded. Why is he now agreeing to this? Is it because he is the “presumed” nominee and he feels safe that Sen. Clinton cannot overtake him in delegates and she would be the nominee instead? Sen. Obama best not count his chickens before they hatch. Had he agreed to this from the beginning, you would not have had to file suit. I find it disingenuous of him now to state that the delegation will be seated in full.
I urge you NOT to dismiss the law suit until Sen. Obama agrees to seat the full delegation NOW. To do otherwise makes a mockery of our Democratic process. Thank you. XXXXXXXX
#371 Anna
No I am basing my info on what I heard from Ray — the Clinton “Pledged” Delegate that we heard on “Meet me in Denver” last night.
He said that pledged delegates are the ones that need to sign the petition, not supers. He said he had “signed, sealed notarized and delivered” his petition. He was encouraging that copies of those petitions be sent to Clinton Pledged Delegates in our particular states.
#357 ladyhawkke MURPHY, why am I still in moderation? This was previously posted downstairs!
#397 goandersen, get as many people as you can. Contact local nespapers.
San Jose area needs help to get rid of Mike Honda–he endorsed BHO in June after Hillary’s speech.
Let’s go for it Bay Area PUMAs!!! Here we come!!!
#396 PumaAllie
Sleep well. We’re giving it our all, dear friend, and appreciate your support and confidence.
Anna 7000
Hate to do this too you, but I don’t trust my recollection reagrding the details.
There was a segment on Murphy’s program yesterday about the nomination process. Murphy interviewed a delegate.
The announcemnet is on yesterday’s blog.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/
gay gal – thanks for clarifying.
ladyhawke – great letter. mind if i use it as a template for a letter of my own?
dances – not sure what you’re hating to do to me, but anyway…i’ll click on the link. i didn’t get to hear the blogtalkradio yesterday. something got screwed up and then i wasn’t able to keep trying to catch it. i’ll check it out now. thanks for the link.
McCaskill is right…because the Democratic Party is DEAD….that is why PUMA is so important!!!!
#403 ladyhawkke
Sorry, I forgot to give you Geller’s e-mail addy:
geller.steven.web@flsenate.gov
393 goandersen
gay gal
have you contacted southwest@pumapac.org?
Let them know you are going and want to carpool
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also, contact gotodenver@pumapac.org
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goandersen,
I just requested that southwest send out a broadcast to san diego and area pumas to get together to strategize and do joint actions in the next few weeks before convention.
Have you thought about doing the same for the SFO Bay Area? It could save you a lot of leg work in distributing flyers etc. ?
I just pre-ordered: The Case Against Barack Obamo by
David Freddoso, and The Obama Nation by Jerome R.
Corsi.
The are to be shipped by August 4th.. I hope they have some interesting information in them…or damaging..
Has anyone seen or heard anything from Bill and Hillary?
PUMA POWER
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((((((((puma Allie))))))))) I have been there it seems posts go so fast sometimes and so many doing so many things I talk to myself often LOL Friend of mine just came from England to visit and will see her soon. I think England holds us up so much of the time and is a good thing we have them to lean on and relie on. Thanks for being there country and you.We need you here too:)Take care and hold on there we are really trying and your help is so needed too. Hard sometimes I know but I am looking for that change ob keeps promising and I hope the change is he will be gone.
#409 Anna, of course, anyone is free to use it. Just change it a little, makes it more convincing.
re#326 Ht1
i think McCain is playing”rope-a-dope”..
..he’s in close covering himself and taking some tough Obama punches..
as long as he’s in close enough when he wants to he can start unloading and bang away on a tired Obama in the final rounds..
boxing fans will get it..
#401 Anna7000 no worries, easy typo to make, thanks for responding. I must admit sometimes I do feel left out or on the fringes. It is understandable because it is after all an American election, and I think maybe if we had a private forum as well it might be better, because posts get missed.
Thanks Anna.
405 anonymous
Who is challenging Honda?
#406 heysandy thanks, I will. I know you are and thats why I love and admire you all so much
Everyone, please jot down the number of my comment that is awaiting moderation, #357. It has the delegates Ricki Lieberman wants us to contact. By the time it’s moderated, we’ll be upstairs!
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#389 diva2
On June 7 before Hillary’s speech Donna Brazille said on CNN that ALL of the delegates from FL and MI WILL be reinstated in full at the convention.
#414 ((((jane-pa))))
thanks.
Goodnight my friends. I will be here for you always.
and I will back tomorrow!
xx
1 Maryland PUMA on 07.27.08 at 12:30 pm
I have HAD it with these disrespectful responses from our elected officials.
You will receive an email stating this but want it out there in PUMAville NOW:
I want a copy of EVERY SINGLE response we have received from delegates, superdelegates, and any other person we have contacted and received a response from – even the “I can’t reply because you are not in my state” bahloney. Don’t care if they’re nice or mean. This needs publicity – PERIOD. These people have NO basis on which to speak to us in the manner they have. I want dates, times, and which PROWL they are responding to.
Forward copies to me ASAP. Put RESPONSE in the email subject.
Marylandpuma@gmail.com
Thanks. And pass the word on to those who join the blog later in the day and evening until the email comes out.
Thank you.
ANNA7000
dances – not sure what you’re hating to do to me
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My original post was gobbled up… so you got the shorter version. I hated to make you take the time to list to an hour just to get the info you need.
You’ll enjoy the program though… perservere though, it was another great show.
#418 goandersen,
Joyce Stoer Cordi. She’s a great woman. I volunteered for her for a while. She calls herself Independent Republican and Republicans don’t like her and don’t want to help her. Her website is http://www.cordiforcongress.org She needs help right now raising money and getting votes.
http://www.ballot-access.org/ (Website regarding Gellers decision to drop lawsuit)
http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/2008/07/why-obama-is-afraid-of-denver-roll-call.html
#376 (((((texassherry))))
you too, and everyone else. Thanks. Bless you all.
Evening Fellow PUMA’S,
#398 Hillaryistheone: Let’s see how well the party does without Hillary’s 18,000,000 supporters. All I know is that out of the ashes a new Democratic Party will begin. A party where nominees are Elected not Selected. A party where there is no fear of being thrown under a bus. A party where 1 + 1 = 3(1 idea and someone elses take on the idea gives you the solution). A party where one vote = one vote. A party where my vote and your vote carries the same weight. We will be a party of One. Where all are welcome even if we disagree.
#369 Trish
Thanks for the email address — maybe my response #403 to Anna (#371), better explains what I am up to. I heard Ray say on “Meet me n Denver” that it is 300 “Pledged delegates” not supers that would need to send the petition requesting her name be placed in nomination. Did anyone else hear it that way? I listened twice to his info. But there is always a possibility that I am moving deeper into insanity:)
#400 andersen
Sorry, I thought you had my email. Thanks for the 2 links!!
#404 Where is that petition for Clinton’s pledged delegates? I live in Florida and I want to sign the petition.
Welcome to all those guest Observers who do not post comments and just want to see whats going on here!!
We hope you will read all of the posts,pick up some new ideas and be inspired to stop Obama in the best way you see fit…..
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From Steven Geller:
Dear Constituent:
Thank you for contacting my office. Please be advised that I receive tens of thousands of e-mails from all over the world. It is impossible for me to reply to every e-mail I receive, but I do try to respond to everyone. I first respond to emails from constituents in my district, then citizens from the State of Florida and, lastly, to those out-of-state. However, I will not respond to or review any e-mail that does not include a home address and telephone number.
Please understand that when the e-mail volume is particularly heavy, or I am in the middle of the Legislative Session, it is difficult to respond. I promise that I will try my best to respond in a timely fashion.
Again, thank you for taking the time to contact me. Your input is very much appreciated.
Sincerely,
Senator Steven A. Geller
Florida State Senate, District 31
430 gaygal
Dances posted another one: gotodenver@pumapac.org
#341 Headclunker,
I think you have something there in your polls analysis.
Everyone knows that we (the Wildcard PUMA) are making McCain’s life easier, but this is the card we are dealt with and we will turn it in Hillary’s advantage yet.
nite allie
I heard that Lanny Davis is going to be on one of the blog radio shows toinight at 8. Does anybody know what the link is to hear the show.
#404 ladyhawkke
It is a copy of a state Dem party petition that “Pledged Delegate” must sign. They are the ones that have to sign, seal, notarize, and deliver to the DNC regarding the 300 hundred signatures needed to request that Hill’s name be placed into nomination.
aaccckk! I just typed out a post and when I hit submit, it was gone into cyberspace. sigh.
I only have a few minutes to be here LOL so I’ll try just once more…
I’m getting very anxious about the little time that we have left to do whatever we can. I’ve been spending time at the http://www.lobbydelegates.com site – sending a new letter that I composed geared to all of the SD’s. It goes so much more quickly if you’re only copy/pasting one letter.
I wrote respectfully – from my heart – urging the SD to cast his/her vote for Hillary at the convention. I reviewed (as concisely as I could!) the qualifications of our Hillary and the questions about BO. I expressed my distress regarding the actions/inactions of the DNC/RBC and the apparent corruption within the Dem Party. I stressed that there are MILLIONS who feel as I do and who will not vote for BO should he be the nominee. I ended by, again, urging the SD to vote for Hillary – that Hillary can win in November; BO will lose.
Anyway, all of our letters just have to make a difference and for us to keep on pounding them out is critical. We have accomplished so much and we’re making a POWERFUL statement. I’m very proud to be fighting this good fight with you all.
((( Wizard ))) <— that’s a huge Hillhug. Thank you for your comment to me from yesterday’s thread. I feel the same way about you, you know. It made my heart smile.
Have a peaceful evening, PUMAs ~ xo, Lizzy
I think McCain and rnc is sitting waiting till after convention not wanting to give Hillary extra points. Bomma is easier target Hillary would be a shoein and her people would leave him back to her. If he can stay close and wait it out than can smear Bommy for good.With our help of course. Others have said too I just agree.
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#439 How do I know who the pledged delegates are? Where can I get that info?
OK. Later folks. I have to go work on the delegate list for Wyoming.
How convenient of NOBAMA to give a speech AFTER a rock concert. His people who travelled with him in Germany CONFISCATED ALL ANTI-OBAMA banners!
Do we have radio tonight? Does anyone know if Lanny Davis would be on internet talk radio tonight? I want to make a call and ask him some questions and it won’t be nice. I’d go right for the guts.
Cindy Sheehan only needs about 200 more signatures.
http://clintondems.com/2008/07/help-cindy-sheehan-unseat-pelosi/
REMINDER!!!
Please try to get as many signatures as possible. We don’t want another Alice Palmer event. The more, the merrier.
If…(hope,hope) Obama loses to McCain in November..we all owe it to Hillary and all Americans to go after the DNC like pack of starving,rabid PUMAS and tear the SOB’s to pieces..
freepuma……I think the word “numbnuts” would fit him like a glove
I know some of those blog shows have a live chat going on at the same time. It could be a great show.
http://rawstory.com//news/2008/Hillary_supporters_still_angry_frustrate_attempts_0727.html
GO PUMAs GO!
comment.
Hillary supporters, still angry, frustrate attempts at party unity
Andrew McLemore
Published: Sunday July 27, 2008
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Hillary Clinton supporters have been criticizing Barack Obama with increasing frequency as the senator’s trip overseas captured media attention bordering on adulation.
A political action committee named PUMA, or People United Means Action, has devoted itself to the continued support of Clinton and in an announcement on its blog called Obama’s trip ‘a flop’ and an ‘ego trip’. Alternatively, PUMA also means Party Unity My Ass.
The entry continued in a tone directed at Obama supporters:
“Your guy can’t even make a dent against an old guy who hasn’t even begun to campaign against you in earnest. You’re losing during the warm-up?”
Questions of Obama’s viability as a presidential candidate from fellow Democrats have resurfaced in Texas recently as the Obama campaign attempts to unify Texas Democrats, The Austin American-Statesman reported.
“An uncounted swath of Clinton backers” is supporting the nation-wide efforts of PUMA and frustrating Democratic politicians in Texas trying to boost party unity, including those who worked for Clinton’s campaign.
“We all need to do whatever it takes to get him elected,” said Garry Mauro of Austin, who directed Clinton’s campaign in Texas.
But many Clinton supporters are still angry over the perceived injustices committed against her during the Texas primary. Clinton won the primary, but Obama took more delegates because of caucus turnouts.
Austinite Frances Morey said she will skip the November presidential election entirely.
“So why is he prancing around in Europe like he’s the president-elect?” Morey said this week. “I cannot vote for him. I cannot bring myself to vote for this poseur.”
Protesters brought their anger over the supposed mistreatment of Hillary Clinton by the Democratic Party to a Howard Dean appearance in Charlotte Friday, some carrying signs that read “Dump Dean.”
Two dozen of the New York Senator’s supporters shouted down the Democratic National Committee Chairman with a chorus of, “I own my vote!” the Charlotte Observer reported.
The protest was sparked by a rumor that Clinton’s name would not be put in for nomination at the Democratic National Convention in Denver next month.
The supporters were loud enough that Dean was forced to stop his speech to the 150 people who showed up for the voting rally and address the demonstrators.
“There will be a roll call vote at the convention if Hillary Clinton wants one,” Dean said. “We all respect each other and we certainly respect Sen. Clinton. This is a unified party. It is not easy to be on the losing side, and I know … because four years ago, I was on the losing side.”
If anyone wants a listing of DENVER resources (lodging, transportation, parking, maps, Convention site, downtown road closures due to the convention, light rail info, police & security, greyhound bus info, campgrounds, etc.
Send your request to gotodenver@pumapac.org .
I just received mine and althpugh it’s still in a rough form, it is extremely informative and helpful!
Send your request to gotodenver@pumapac.org
Anna7000, you are correct about the nomination process in an open convention. This however, will not be an open convention even though they said it is. Threfore, in order for Senator Clinton to be up for nomination she needs the notorized signature of 300 pledged delegates on petition to achieve her nomination and Senator Clinton needs to agree to that nomination. It’s all BS, should not be like this. Right now they way it stands it is Obama’s decision whether or not Hillary will be placed for nomination. How’s that for crazy!
I can’t find anything about this show now. I thought there was another show on Sunday at 10 too.
Thanks for all the info, folks. Sorry, again, goandersen, I thought you were the andersen that I have often talk to at other sites. Weirdness!
458 vadaryl
hold on, I’ll find it for you.
Ladyhawkke #443 ~
You can go to http://www.lobbydelegates.com . Click on the pick a state button on the “lobby for Hillary Clinton” block. Click on a state and it’ll open up the list of delegates for that state – broken down into uncommitted, HRC committed, BO committed. You can check off one column at a time and then scroll down. Click the button that says “Fax …” to drop down a little box – select “Email & Post – free”. Scroll down and fill in the boxes to send your email right from the site. I compose my letter in an aol email to myself, keep it open, copy my text and then you can just paste it into the message box on the lobbydelegate site. Click preview. Click the circle for “no thanks – I’d like to send this for free” (lol, it says something like that – I can’t remember exactly though I’ve clicked it a thousand times!) …. then your mail will be sent to multiple addresses at once. It’s really easy once you get the hang of it.
If you have any questions, let me know! This looks really confusing and I didn’t explain it very well but you could get my email from MarylandPUMA or mamapuma and I would be happy to help you.
Gay Gal said: I don’t know about you folks, but I am fired up about the info we received last night via Murphy’s NQR conversation with Ray, the Clinton Pledged Delegate. I have been on a tear today.
Absolutely! I did a thread on it over at Hillary Clinton Forum, where I posted a partial transcript (http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=21343). I hope to see much more posted here about the petition needed to get Hillary into the nomination!
Here’s part of the transcript (“M” is Murphy, “R” is Ray, the pledged Clinton delegate from CA):
R: (28:25) I’ve been working to get Senator Clinton’s name into nomination.
M: [(30:00) Makes an announcement that Lannie Davis and Ricki Lieberman will be on NoQuarter Radio tonight (7/27/08)!]
M: This whole question of Senator Clinton’s name being put into nomination. Barring something crazy happening with the Obama campaign, assuming things just go forward as they have been, is there a chance that Hillary will be nominated in such a way that you will be able to affect the outcome? Is there a chance?
R: Well, first of all, we all know, or should know, it is Obama’s decision to not allow Senator Clinton’s name not to be put into nomination. (30:49)
M: I thought it was Howard Dean’s decision.
R: Well, it is, but you can be sure that there have been discussions, and Obama is the head of the Democratic Party at this point [???]. (31:08) He is the titular head of the Democratic Party [I looked it up - “titular” means “moron,” I mean, nominal: existing in name only; "the nominal (or titular) head of his party" (wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn) - doesn’t make any sense, as that would mean he has no power, really]. It is also my understanding that there is a rule in the Democratic Party that if 300 delegates sign (31:37) a petition seeking for Senator Clinton to have her name put into nomination, as long as Senator Clinton agrees to have her name put into nomination, it will be put into nomination.
M: It’s sort of a populist bypass. Is that superdelegates or pledged delegates?
R: That’s pledged delegates. (32:03) I have already done so, and had it signed, sealed, notarized, and delivered. Now, the need to have it notarized on our part is because Obama has a history of challenging others that are in a political race against him. This is the change that he speaks of and this is not the kind of change that I’m looking for.
M: So do you think there will be 300 signatures on the petition? (33:21)
R: I’d rather not go into that right now. Let’s let them guess.
M: PUMA PAC is urging every superdelegate to sign that petition, and to get them to change their minds for Hillary. Should we keep doing that?
R: God bless you, keep doing that every day, even during the Convention! (34:02) Absolutely! Your voices are being heard. It’s not necessarily the words, it’s the number of emails, bother them, hound them, absolutely!
Caller (ProudMilitaryMom): Should I get my district delegates to sign off on this petition? (36:30)
M: Yes, we should do that, we should start locally hounding delegates. (37:13)
Caller: If you can post on your blog, Murphy [http://blog.pumapac.org] where we can get the petition for our delegates, that would be great.
R: The petitions are actually written up for each state. We can get those for the blog.
Ladyhawkke ~ GoAlucard is awesome at the delegate contacting and TrishfromCanada’s been working on delegate lists, too, along with Wizard and other dedicated PUMAs. More resources for you ……
458 vadaryl
hold on, I’ll find it for you.
Couldnt find the info … BUT if you go here:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/
it’ll be listed on the schedule. “NO WE WON’T”
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/07/136450-democrats-independents-against.html
#457 glcleffnote
I am not surprised that they say that it’s Obama’s decision. Remember Alic Palmer and other folks? I can guarantee you that BHO will find a way to keep Hillary off the ballot. Remember how Dean said that he doesn’t want a floor fight at the convention?
YouTube videos are highly needed. PLEASE respond to Dean’s contest request. Tell him “Why you are a Democrat in 2008″? Tell him: “Why I am not voting for Obama in 2008″. Please use this opportunity and send the video to ALL of the undecided Super Delegates. Deadline for entry is: AUGUST 1
Link: http://www.youtube.com/demconvention
PLEASE send your videos.
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/07/last-stand-email-initiative-for-puma.html
http://www.demconwatchblog.com/2008/01/superdelegates-who-havent-endorsed.html
*****DENVER~
I have sent email to gotodenver@pumapac.org and have not been answered yet~ could you please look for my email and send me the information i asked about~ thank you!
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/17/action-contact-these-superdelegates/
GO GO GO
#464 DancesWithPumas I could not find anything on the blogradio.com site. There’s nothing on http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nqr either. The show listged there is tomorrow night. I wonder if Lanny got bumped? It wonder if Obama got to him and said don’t go on there.
thus, from what I just read
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god help us and tthe party
looks like is going to be run by “ali-baba & 40 thieves”
#368 pumaAllie
Didnt catch your posts earlier than this, playing catch up right now. First let me say, my entire family (of men) father, grandfathers, uncles…..all of them served in the either Royal Navy or Army. My grandfather died as a result of getting sick while in the Royal Navy (many were)was sent home to die, which he did. In the mean time his 18mos old son caught his illness and died the day of his funeral. Needless to say, I come from a proud family of Brits. Most of my family is still over there. I was brought up in the states for the most part. But did have a year here and there of living in England (mother kept getting home sick). Anyway maybe I’m bias but I feel that people here are proud to have the Brits by our side. I believe (again maybe bias) America considers the UK our closest friend. My US military and government friends love how the Brits are with them. One of my proudest moments of Hillary was when she spoke of the UK and US being one. Me, having dual citizenship, had a tinkle go up my leg when she spoke of that….haha.
ps: I will say none of my friends from India feel that way towards the Brits, oh well….we wont go there.
161- Anna7000 – just logged on today – your post was hi-lorelaious! Thanks for the lol – needed it today as I detached from the Sunday morning news shows, NYTimes, and all the other propaganda that arrived on my doorstep.
I honestly can’t wait until I can get back to watching the news and reading the newspaper.
Anyway, Ricki Lieberman and Lanny Davis will be on NoQuarter radio tonight…not sure of the time though-
Anyone know? (has this been posted up above?) I haven’t had time to read all of them….sorry
In The News
Hillary supporters, still angry, frustrate attempts at party unity Andrew McLemore
Published: Sunday July 27, 2008
Hillary Clinton supporters have been criticizing Barack Obama with increasing frequency as the senator’s trip overseas captured media attention bordering on adulation.
A political action committee named PUMA, or People United Means Action, has devoted itself to the continued support of Clinton and in an announcement on its blog called Obama’s trip ‘a flop’ and an ‘ego trip’. Alternatively, PUMA also means Party Unity My Ass.
The entry continued in a tone directed at Obama supporters:
“Your guy can’t even make a dent against an old guy who hasn’t even begun to campaign against you in earnest. You’re losing during the warm-up?”
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
#472Vadaryl
Think for the show is listed on No Quarter by Susan about four blogs down from the current blog:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT/2008/07/28/NO-WE-WONT-PUMA-RADIO
394 diva2
“#350 mzebest
Donna Brazille made the comment after the DNC meeting saying (under her breath, kinda) well, they’ll (MI and FL) probably be reinstated in full this summer.
She may not even have said probably. I remember her remark very well and no one said a word about it!”
I know what you mean… many small details stick in my mind and I don’t forget them either as they all help to piece together the puzzle as things unfold. I think the AP article that I referenced was sometime after the RBC meeting or shortly after Primaries… and if memory serves correctly — the gist of the article was about Dean handing over the control of the DNC to BO. That alone infuriated me… not to mention his comments to restore votes to FL and MI at a time when it wouldn’t have any significance other than to attempt to win the voters of that state.
And I still fume over the thought that the control of the DNC would be handed over to a PRESUMPTIVE nominee. Since when in history has that ever been the way things are handled?
#475
Ricki will be on at 8pm
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT/2008/07/28/NO-WE-WONT-PUMA-RADIO
42 Minutes UNTIL SHOW Host Name NO WE WON’T
Show Name NO WE WON’T PUMA RADIO-LANNY DAVIS -RICKI LIEBERMAN
Show Length 2 Hours
Show Description Lanny Davis Ricki Lieberman
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT/2008/07/28/NO-WE-WONT-PUMA-RADIO
re#476 John.. it’s great to get some coverage…especially impartial..
I like the article however the writer could have written more on the substance of PUMA criticism of Obama/DNC..and less making it look like pissing contest..
“Your guy can’t even make a dent against an old guy who hasn’t even begun to campaign against you in earnest. You’re losing during the warm-up?”
Thanks for the link. I am so glad it did not get cancelled. Hopefully Lanny can give us some inside info on how Hillary is feeling about all of us.
yes their paying attention
#477 responding to #472
Sorry I meant “Link for” not “think for”.
#433 PumaAllie,
Good night to you too my friend and bless you too. Sweet dreams.
I hope he take calls too. This could be a great show.
re#486 vad..
..hopefully someone will call and press Lenny to give us some real answers..
I hope his purpose for being on the show is not as a point man for the Obama campaign to assuage our anger and try to convince (bs) us into falling in line behind the DNC and Obama … we’ll see..
Who is RICKI LIEBERMAN?
#487 freepuma If they have the live chat going, let’s hammer it with questions and comments to stop him from being Obama’s point man on that show if he goes that route. Hopefully someone will be monitoring it who works for their show.
I see there is comments already up in running on that site.
re#489 vad…
you got it pal! will do..
404 anonymous on 07.27.08 at 6:18 pm Well PUMAs BHO just said that Iraq is doing better. Read this article:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/27/obama-iraq-is-getting-better-trouble-is-in-afghanistan/
McCain should be all over it by now.
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Especially since Katie Coric or Bill Hemmer asked him several times, and then clarified with him that he had NOT changed his position on anything since his world tour.
Regarding petition for Sheehan:
Can someone please enlighten me on something here. I always felt that Cindy Sheehan was doing the same thing obama wanted to do…to just stop the war now and bring the troops home regardless of the outcome. It seems to me that would make the soldier’s lost lives count for nothing because it would be forfeiting the cause for which they stood and gave their lives so bravely for. I’m of the impression that ( since we don’t have a draft) the soldiers are there voluntarily and because they believe in the cause they are fighting for. They weren’t forced to sign up. I wasn’t in favor of the Iraq war when it began, but it would be a slap in the face of those who’ve given so much for the cause, to just walk out on it now. I don’t like Pelosi at all and would like to see her out but … I don’t know.
I think I am in – hello everyone my first – well now my second post here – so happy to be an official puma now instead of a lurker
#372 PumaAllie
I didn’t see your earlier post either. Not only do I appreciate the aide of our British allies, I also sympathize with those who have suffered losses because of a war that Bush had no business starting.
Every time the media reports on deaths and injuries among our military forces, I think about all of the other losses that go unreported. It’s almost as if our allies don’t exist.
Come to think about it, I’ve heard more about Iraqi losses than I have about deaths and injuries among our allied forces. And it’s not very often the media even talks about how many Iraqis have been killed or injured as a result of the war … not unless they’re talking about the latest bombing and how much destruction it did.
BHO is saying whatever it takes to win. I hope people wake up and smell the roses. Change, Change, Change!!! That’s a bunch of bull, worked awhile back but it has not since the Pa primary.
does anyone know tentatively how many PUMA’s are going to go growl in Denver???
Hello Jenni~ how is your evening?
#488
Ricki Liberman is a super big supporter of Hillary’s
#488 she is a BIG FUND raiser for her~
I can’t wait, this could be some fun.
jersey, great–but hot down here in texas
This was posted earlier but I just read it and it made me sick to my stomach. This is long but it is a good read, when I try to explain to people why I am not voting for the chosen one… living through it was so consuming- by stepping back and reading this as a time table…You might consider an ativan/xanax/pepsid/zantac/aspirin/shot of something(maker’s mark)- you will most likely need something to settle your nerves/stomach
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Summer08/BrazileRoveConnect.html
I really would like to thank Maryland Puma and Murphy for doing such a good job of filtering out “unwanted” visitors and distractions from coming onto this site. As Trish once said: unlike other blogs, this is a Puma PAC action site and we need to focus on our goals.
rainy and humid in SJ~
#494 Rodham in Flag ,
Welcome. You will enjoy the puma family. I mostly lurk but pop in from time to time and am active in the background.
I feel like yelling STELLLAAAAA
is murphy here????
So crying for attention here – I do think Pumas are making this a great democracy again
hey jenni — I’m here — just got back from a family christening.
what’s up?
Thank you Texassherry – I have seen your posts in the past
Hi, Rodham in Flag, welcome to the blog!
#511 Rodham in Flag,
I mostly post late at night when it is easier to keep up with the posts because there is less traffic.
Now I feel loved – thank you anti rodham fish
#512 antifish,
Hey Antifish!!! I know Rodham in Flag is in good hands now that you are here.
the girls were good….10K coming your way
You can tell Rodham in Flag has been looking ove our shoulders for awhile…
Welcome Rodham in Flag.
Lanny is calling in so he should be on any minute.
Will Bower is on now.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/show.aspx?userurl=NO-WE-WONT&year=2008&month=07&day=28&url=NO-WE-WONT-PUMA-RADIO
check out DelphinefromFrance’s blog for a great take on the French reaction to BO’s World Ego Trip – “Obama in France: the aftermath” :
http://hillary.meilleur.choix.qu-obama.over-blog.com/article-21531041-6.html#anchorComment
love it!!
You are right on Your Northern Neighbor – it was time to come out of the closet and join in – so to speak
# 457 gocleffnote -thanks for the succinct summary of how this is going to work this year at the convention. i had no idea. sounds insane! another one of those: how in the world are they getting away with this deals?!* anyway, i’m sure folks have been posting and it’s on the blogtalkradio, but i’m in a hurry and wondering:
1. am i correct in assuming then, that in addition to contacting sd’s we need to be contacting pledged delegates about getting clinton’s name placed in nomination?
2. if so, what’s the best way to find out who the pledged delegates are and how to contact them?
sorry if this repeats stuff that’s already been addressed, but i don’t have time to scroll through and since this is all news to me as to how this is going to work, i’m just catching up and trying to get things formulated in my head so i can take action.
thanks to anyone who’s in the know and can respond.
#509 Rodham in Flag
Tried to welcome you earlier but my post got eaten by the software.
Welcome!
check out http://www.NotFallingInLine.org – terrific site and VERY EASY letter campaigns !
Welcome, Rodham in Flag!
p.s. follow up to nomination process question:
so is it the case that there are two ways clinton’s name could be placed in nomination:
1. his holiness decides it so and/or
2. enough pledged delegates get enough signatures, etc (as outlined in post #457)
?
Thank you DWP and Heysandy – glad to be here
#521 Anna7000
Here is what I received by email a week ago from someone on the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee when I asked him if Hillary’s name would be placed on the ballot and in nomination …
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FOR THE 2008 DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
By authority of the Democratic National Committee, the National Convention of the Democratic Party is hereby scheduled to convene on August 25, 2008, in Denver, Colorado, at an hour to be announced, to select nominees for the offices of President and Vice President of the United States of America, to adopt and promulgate a platform and to take such other actions with respect to such other matters as the Convention may deem advisable.
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VIII. PROCEDURAL RULES OF THE 2008 DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION
The following Procedural Rules shall serve as the Temporary Rules of Procedure for the 2008 Democratic National Convention and are recommended to the Rules Committee and to the Convention as the Permanent Rules of Procedure for the conduct of the 2008 Democratic National Convention.
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C. Order of Business: The order of business for the Democratic National Convention shall be as provided in these rules and in any special order of business adopted under Section D. of these rules. The Chair of the Convention may, at appropriate times, interrupt the order of business 2008 Call for the Democratic National Convention provided for in these rules for introductions, announcements, addresses, presentations, resolutions
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6. Nomination of the Democratic Candidate for President: The Permanent Chair shall receive nominations from the floor for the Democratic candidate for the Office of President of the United States in the following manner:
a. Requests to nominate a presidential candidate shall be in writing and shall have affixed thereto the written approval of the proposed nominee and the name of the individuals who shall be recognized to make the nominating and seconding speeches on behalf of a presidential candidate and shall be delivered to the Convention Secretary at a location as specified by the Secretary no later than 6:00 p.m. of the day preceding the day designated for the commencement of presidential nominations.
b. Each such request must be accompanied by a petition indicating support for the proposed nominee signed by delegates representing not less than 300 or more than 600 delegate votes, not more than 50 of which may come from one (1) delegation. A delegate may not sign more than one (1) nominating petition for president and for vice president.
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In a follow-up email, my contact wrote this …
That said, the Convention is the highest body of the Democratic Party, and they make and adopt their own rules. However, I cannot imagine they would not make a provision for placing a name in nomination. We have had every manner of person’s name put in nomination over the years.
What you will want to watch is what comes out of the Convention (NOT DNC) Rules Committee. NOTE: Its a different group of people from the DNC Rules Committee.
Frankly, if anything like that were to happen, however, its not going to be via the rules, it is going to be at least with her tacit consent of not placing her name before the body.
THE ONLY reason I can see doing this would be for staging/timing issues. Typically the VP is nominated on Thursday night. With the move to the Stadium, I have no idea how that is going to effect the schedule. NOTE THE FOLLOWING IS PURE SPECULATION: I could see the VP nomination much more easily being an up or down vote on the nominee’s proposal, and do it from the stage at the Stadium, with say the convention delegates seated together, in front, on the field, and having them scream “aye”, and go from there.
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“Each night in my ‘conversations’ I have an abundance of material to choose from. Please feel free to use any of it, but be sure to add your own context and why Senator Clinton will make the best President – the country cannot afford to cast her aside. I have posted material on the ELECTABILITY comments on Together4Us.com, pages 1, 5 and 7.
For those of you doing the EW from the very beginning, this will be your 6th cycle. But 6th or 1st,
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Can hardly wait to get involved in projects – have been sending letters to the superdelegates on my own.
Hi Rodham in Flag welcome
#529 Rodham in Flag,
Make sure that Marylandpuma has your email and tell her that you want to be on the mailing list if you haven’t already. That way you wil receive the daily growls if you want to.
Sheri Tag and Will Bower are holding Lanny Davis’ feet to the fire on blogtalkradio. He’s singing the praises on Obama and they are challenging him.
Hi Sandipuma and thank you Texassherry – I sure will
If you find your blood pressure isn’t as high as you would like it to be… tune in to Will Bowers and his guest.
Anti-Obama Gear
http://www.freedomhq.com/no-bama-08.html?gclid=CKGnk-ys4ZQCFQNfFQodKTStQg
#371 Gay Gal I googled Clinton’s delegates from FL but couldn’t come up with anything. However, I did e-mail the FL Dem Party and asked them for the petition and also a list with names, phone numbers and e-mails for both of Obama’s and Clinton’s pledged delegates. I think we should contact all of them.
oh i have to go listen to it
Anna7000 #521 ~
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2008/primaries/superdelegates/search.php
ladyhawkke ~
also see above link – still another resource
Would someone please remind me why we are going to Denver again?
OMG… has everyone seen this? My theories posted in previous blogs the last few days might have been accurate.
http://whatsuddenly.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-gave-media-his-western-wall-note.html
Anna7000 ~ when you go onto any link like the PBS one and you glean info like ….. Atty Genl RI … whatever … just follow your intuition and google Office of Atty Genl RI …… whatever tidbit of info you can get, just keyword google and you’ll stumble onto something that will lead you to the contact info – eventually It’s like a puzzle
Lanny Davis is making it clear that the party is getting everybody in line by using scare tactic of saying the country will suffer under a McCain presidency.
Can anyone tells me what has Lanny said so far??? NOTHING!
I am really wasting my time listening to him.
The ONLY positive thing he can say about the Messiah is that he voted for the FISA Bill against his own base! That is it! He doesn’t care if the vote was even right or wrong!
I am glad Hillary did not hire him for anything – that made me feel much better.
What a weak person.
540 mzebest on 07.27.08 at 8:52 pm OMG… has everyone seen this? My theories posted in previous blogs the last few days might have been accurate.
http://whatsuddenly.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-gave-media-his-western-wall-note.html
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Whoa – that is not going to go over very well. I would guess that cost him some Jewish votes – that is if the press here every report it.
Puma’s me thinks Linnie just threw us under the bus.
How sad is that.
#521 anna7000…demconvention.com/certified-delegates-ec/ this is a list of pledged delegates state by state
#544 Middle age female
No kidding… but I just knew this was the case as soon as I heard the story because too many suspicious items in the news report. Below is another related link that was in the original link I posted above:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1005882.html
hey everyone; will someone please report some details of the radio talk? I can hopefully listen to it later, not sure about that though, because I tried to listen to the one with Murphy and couldn’t find it today.. anyway, I hope ya’ll will summarize whatever you can, because.. well, I am supposed to be working, but was really interested in what he was going to say.. thanks
#547 mzebest
I laughed when I saw this sentence in the article you linked to … It is believed that requests written on notes and placed between the holy stones of the Western Wall, also known as the Wailing Wall, will be granted by God.
If Obama violated protocol by making the contents of his note public, does it mean that his requests won’t be granted by God? Did he jinx himself and his chances to become President? I sincerely hope so.
#527 firebelle puma
#538 lizzy in ct
#546 gojoyknock
Thank you so much for the info. Very much appreciated. Will make good use of it!
#540 mzebest
I went to the link you posted and just wept. Couldn’t find the anger (yet). Just such a sense of sorrow, like having Jewish graves desecrated. I need to go and be alone for a while after reading that. Perhaps I’ll see everyone later.
HI all. Just a quick drive by, Will bbl.
rry
Despite assertions in the press that evangelical Christians are backing Democrat Barack Obama in the presidential race, a new survey reveals that he is getting less support than John Kerry did four years ago.
A typical headline, which ran last week in U.S. News & World Report, announced: “Obama Campaign Is Making Progress With Evangelical Voters.”
But the poll by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press found that 25 percent of white evangelicals favor Obama over John McCain, while 26 percent favored John Kerry over President Bush in 2004.
In 2000, Al Gore enjoyed even more support — 28 percent.
“Not that this translates into evangelical enthusiasm for McCain, but the survey is worth noting for no other reason than it challenges the prevailing media assumption about how Obama’s overt religiosity is helping his campaign,” National Review’s Mark Hemingway observes.
And the Pew Center notes: “Obama has made no significant gains among this important constituency.”
The survey also found that 39 percent of white mainline Protestants support Obama, significantly less than the 46 percent who backed Gore in 2000.
And among white, non-Hispanic Catholics, 40 percent favor Obama, compared to 47 percent who supported Kerry and 45 percent who backed Gore.
Four in 10 respondents who said they attend religious services at least once a week are backing Obama, fewer than the 42 percent who favored Kerry.
According to Hemingway, press accounts of Obama’s support among evangelicals are “a classic example of the media trying to force a campaign narrative, regardless of whether it is true.”
That came from newsmax.com Sorry
#550 Anna7000
That’s what bothers me the most. BO was a GUEST in that country and he violated the sacredness of their traditions in his selfish interest and quest for media hype. He reminds me of that movie “Leap of Faith” in which there is a con job in everything he does.
Hey PUMAs,
Watch this clip. Will Bower is doing awesome job. He is on CNN. Click on “Preston on Politics” on top.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/07/22/pop.puma1.cnn
Enjoy
#39 cosmeta ~~~ That’s right. So far the boy is only the PRESUMPTIVE nominee.
Ah, what a sweet day it’s been without him in my face everywhere I turn.
It takes bribes to get people to come to Obama events. In Germany there was FREE BEER, FREE FOOD, AND TWO POPULAR ENTERTAINERS. And in America people are worrying about the cost of food and Obama is using their money to feed Europe. What a phoney. He rented the Hitler Victory Pillars for the day, it couldn’t be more fitting. He wants to make sure that no one protests his little photo op dramas. He made the people wait 5 hours to see him, it took that long to get enough people for his photo op. They didn’t care about his lackluster speech, they just wanted a free beer or two!
OMG!!!!!!! I’m still on hold on the phone..TWO HOURS! I was waiting they’d choose me I was ready to ask Lanny Davis some important question(s).
My ears is burning right now..still on the phone…
Something to be happy about………..Delegate Watch
15
That’s the number of Obama’s Delegates who have switched to Hillary Clinton in July.
We need 160 more to ensure Hillary Clinton gets the nomination of the Democratic Party at the Denver Convention.
#556 nhforhillary
Not to mention that he confiscated all PUMA material that was being handed out to the German people as they came to the event. So Fascism and stomping on free speech is alive and well in the Obama camp.
I understand why Lanny Davis said what he said, he’s toeing the party line, WE THE PEOPLE don’t have to….WE OWN OUR VOTE!
Asian…
they had a full switchboard tonight
So many PUMAS so little time.
I just received an email from IOwnMyVote.com for a virtual meeting which has a survey concerning the DNC platform, have you all received this letter, if not Please go to IOwnMyVote.com and take the pledge. This is an important way to make our voices heard. If we can get enough votes, we may have some impact on this election. On the letters I’ve only received auto responses, 4 fron Nancy Pelosi, and two from a lady in Michigan.
blessings all.
valleywitch
#557 Asian4Hillary
LOL!!! Me too… I had some important things I wanted to contribute… but they never got to me either… I had dialed in during the last hour… so wasted an hour of long distance phone time waiting.
I think so too Dances…..I mean I was ready for it..I’ve been waiting for days to ask Davis some questions point blank and it won’t be nice.
Great show tonight on blog radio. #560 Asian4Hillary–I agree–I felt sorry for the guy.
mz….my cellphone was burning! LOL…imagine two hours……..:)
ONE MORE TIME.. if anyone has a chance to summarize anything he said, just a summary would be great.. I couldn’t listen now.. working.. and doubt I will have time, plus.. like I said, something I did wrong or was wrong, because when I looked for the link from last night, I could only find part 1..
anyway, thanks…
#566 you have a great cell and service—I don’t know if mine would keep a connection that long.
lotts1948–regarding Lanny Davis?
Hey Pumas,
That was great show tonight.
I think Lanny just has to say whatever right now……doesn’t want to rock the boat probably.
#560 Asian4Hillary
“I understand why Lanny Davis said what he said, he’s toeing the party line…”
I agree. I have a theory. Let’s assume that Obama’s machine is rooted in fascism. He’s threatened people that don’t tow the line. So people that don’t agree with them but still want to be players — how are they to behave (because they need their jobs, or they want to try to eventually have an effect from within… for whatever the reason…)? My theory is that if the fascist Obama camp is always listening in… they have to appear they are on the Obama team and have fallin in line… and they have to speak in code to the rest of us. I think Lanny’s statement about being an FDR Democrat was that code-speak to the rest of us to keep doing what we are doing. He doesn’t sound happy, or animated, or comfortable with everything else he says. I believe it’s because his hands are tied and he has to say the Obama narrative.
#570 agree Vonay–I kinda of beat up on him in the blog–but now in hind sight–feel sorry for the dude.
#571 mzebest–that is why I am going to listen to it again and take notes–key words he was emphasizing in his answers.
yes Jeremy… or others.. LOL…
I guess i got a little bit of it from mzebest above.. but rather than guessing, maybe somebody can summarize it for me..
I will try to go and listen to it after I get off work.. if the link will take me there.. but if anybody that heard it has time, I sure would appreciate it…sorta disappointed already, cuz I see what mzbest said above..
I don’t give a rats azz WHAT he had to do….bullchit….they should all stand up to the DNC and tell them how wrong they have been…but no we have to do it….come people….give me a break !!!!!!!!!!
Even Hillary Should stand up and say wait a min…..im here im not envisable !!!!
#575- prowlland.. you are a PUMA after my own heart…
well, I better go back to work.. I am sorta messing myself up here by staying so long … I gotta line count I have to make… sigh.. work is so demanding.. LOL
#567 lotts1948
If you didn’t get to hear the show… do what I always like to do… wait a little while to give them enough time to upload the show to the site. Then go to the site in a few hours from now at the link below. Look for the show by date and click the Download button. Then when the show pops up in a separate Windows Media window… go to the File menu at the top and choose SAVE AS… and save it somewhere on your computer so you can listen to it whenever it’s convenient. I like to pause it if I have to leave the room and continue when I return and listen to bits at a time as it is convenient to do so.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT
#575 prowlland
Sometimes even the bravest and noblest heros must crash the castle of their enemies by working from within.
#575 prowlland
Prowlland… the Wisconson delegate that stood up to them is being banned from going to the convention where she could have done some good. I think they have a plan… but they need to play along until they can implement that plan. As the Zen Master said in the story from the movie “Charlie Wilson’s War” — “We’ll see.”
567….too much to sum…hun you need to listen to it..i will say he was on the hot seat the whole time….left in a hurry
I don’t know if any one watches Geraldo Rivera I have it on and a paying a little attention to it but I swear he just said when Bo came home he had to go to the doctors for a “hurt hip(i think he said hip) from playing basketball with troops poor baby shouldn’t have been trying to show off and be cool, he should have been seeing wounded soldiers pay backs a bit*h.
I’m going to cry. How is Obama nine point up? It doesn’t make any sense. How can you snub wounded troops for the gym and see your poll numbers go up? We are doomed. I am so depressed. Nothing is working. Now Everyone is excited because of Obama’s big lead. I want to cry.
580….sorry i just dont agree….. when i see something wrong…i’m going to tell you…. to me that is lying….. flat out lying.
580 and i might add
The Wisconson delegate was write to do what she did….if more would do it ,then we would have justice…..
they wouldn’t and could get rid of all of them…..
#558 tennaseepuma
Does the website you saw it on list the switches by name? As to date we have no proof that this information is true
#583–Lanny Davis said 7 and he sounded skeptical if that number would hold.
BO said he was us to vote for him because of his judgment,values , and experience,,,,,is he friging crazy or something !!!!!
skeptical meaning–wait and see what happens. This is a day by day evolution in progress now.
#583 andy85719 What poll are you looking at. This one has Obama up but he lost 1 point to Mccain. This is with leaners. So it maybe not so bad afterall.
BHO 49% Mccain 44%
The day before it was BHO 49% Mccain 43%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/general_election_match_up_history
Just so that everyone understands…
In Israel, placing a prayer in the wailing wall is a private compact between man and God. When the wall gets too full of prayers, these are removed and buried. An Israeli newspaper published a copy of the prayer BO put into the wall, claiming it had received the document via a Jewish seminary student who had retrieved it from the wall. Not surprisingly, this created an uproar. A lawyer initiated an investigation into the newspaper’s actions. In response, the newspaper now admits BO provided a copy of the prayer to the press before he placed it in the paper in the wall, and authorized its publication.
Speaking as a Jew, let me predict that when this truth gets out, BO can kiss the remainder of the Jewish vote good-bye.
592….i knew all along that was bullchit…. i knew he set it up…
You can’t believe the polls…..who are they polling??? Have any of you been polled???
#592 jbjd
We need to send those links to Rabbis to ensure the word DOES get out. I’ll send to local Rabbis here.
#592 jbjd oh man that is great news where did you hear that from I hope to god that the media doesn’t brush over this one. It seems he is already getting a pass for blowing off the wounded troops.
#558 tennaseepuma
I just went to dem watch and looked at their numbers since June and there is no indication of any 15 delegate jump.
We’ve been through this too many times here, if you want to make such a statement please back it up with facts first
“In response, the newspaper now admits BO provided a copy of the prayer to the press before he placed it in the paper in the wall, and authorized its publication.”
This makes me sick to my very soul.
At long last, Mr. Obama, have you no shame?
#594 hillaryistheone I have never ever been polled and nobody I know has every been polled either
Prowlland, you sound like you could use some cheering up tonight.
I’ve posted the following several times before, but I’m including it again just for you.
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To my fellow Pumas who mourn the show of unity Hillary must now provide, I offer this …
I like to look at this as though I were a fiction writer who understands that great stories demand great conflict. Great stories demand that the heroine be continually beset with seemingly insurmountable obstacles, each one bigger and tougher than the one before it, until finally it appears that all is lost. Then, and only then, can the writer allow the heroine to emerge victorious and provide the audience with the most delicious and satisfying ending possible.
This is still Act II, dear Pumas, not Act III. And in Act II, things must still get worse before they can get better. Our heroine Hillary fought valiantly during a difficult primary season, and yet she failed to secure the nomination. So now, the plot thickens. Now our heroine Hillary must do the heretofore unthinkable and infiltrate enemy territory. It’s a more daring and precarious plan that she has undertaken before, but her options are few.
Key to her success is convincing the evil Nobama and his ilk that she supports him wholeheartedly. But her loyal Pumas know better. So do our allies in other camps. It’s a ruse. It’s a diversion. It’s 18 million cracks in a glass ceiling through which we can slip in and attack. It is a brilliant plan, dear Pumas.
Like you, I fear for our heroine Hillary in the clutches of the evil Nobama. But we must remain brave and stalwart Pumas. We must do the things that our heroine Hillary cannot do now.
Sadly, not all of us can march on Denver. Not all of us have the resources to help pay down Hillary’s debt. Not all of us are gifted at writing letters and emails. But by pooling our energies and resources, we can do great things. Together, we are invincible.
I have to go and watch HGTV so i can cool down…… PEOPLE you are all great and if we had the DEM stand up for what is right,,,,,,, stood up for the rights of the voters we wouldn’t have to be here !!!!
God help us to get it right on our end…love ya all….
He’s a man of change, so he changes leaving a prayer in the wailing wall that is suppose to be compact between man and God to a press event. Who does he think he is?
#591 vadaryl on 07.27.08 at 10:27 pm
Meaning that 8 percent are undecided or not sure or voting for someone else. Split that 4 percent and you have “the citizen of the world” at 45 and McCain at 48 or split in once again and you have “the citizen of the world at 47 and McCain at 46.
The new Gallup poll has him up 9 points. If I were old enough I would cry in my drink but I’m not so I’m crying in my water bottle. I don’t know people. America isn’t America anymore. Maybe they are right when they say that we are nothing but mindless zombies. I don’t know but it is so disheartening. I hope the dollar doesn’t weaken to much so I can get a cheap plane ticket out of this joint.
#579 FireBelle PUMA and #589 mzebest
In May, towards the end of the primaries BHO anounced that he will start targeting McCain for the general election, so I thought about it for a couple of hours and then understood: Let BHO be jumping on the horse all over and Hillary work quietly and get the votes. It happened–Hillary won: WV, Ky, SD, and Puerto Rico. So, Hillary has to stay quiet for a while, and then when the dust settles and new material comes out in the books, press and McCain will be all over it. Then she’ll come out as a winner because Super Delegates won’t vote to shoot themselves in the foot. Like they say: The higher up you go, the harder it is to fall.
There were a number of insights in the Lanny Davis interview tonight…the key phrase was………
Team Player
He described himself as a “team player” and Hillary as a “team player”. They are political animals and have been for 30 + years as are the Super Delegates.
The argument that McCain is the boogyman is not grounded in reality. Especially when you take into account McCain’s clear record of not being a team player on the Republican side.
Having said that, Lanny Davis agreed to appear on the show. That was either to tell us what Hillary thinks and dissuade with intellect or to validate Pumas. We can speculate but we have to look at reality.
The key to this is the SD’s and we have to look at WHY they would not support Obama given that they are conditioned and have practiced team play for their political careers.
The Obama campaign has contributed about three times more to SD campaigns and they are no doubt either threatening or offering should Obama become President.
So …we have to be very clear about WHY the SD’s will buck the party line and what kind of leverage we can exercise. Also remember they can cast a secret ballot.
We have to give the SD’s a powerful reason (threat) as to why Hillary should be the nominee and how they will be help accountable if this train wreck actually happens.
Gallup has been in the tank for the American Idol all along. Look at what Jeremy is saying (#603) and this trip did not bump his numbers up that much. McCain has not even really gotten started yet.
Looks like Cindi Sheehan has 11,274 signatures and she only needed 10,198. Way to go Cindi!!!
Murphy,
Are you here? An Obamabot sent me a poem about you . It’s called The Midnight Ride of Darragh Revere. May I share it with everyone? It’s really funny!
599 slyt2
I was polled twice:
Once, an in-depth telephone poll about whether I preferred purchasing whole chicken or if I preferred purchasing chicken parts.
The second was about gambling. Took what felt like a half hour.
Now, if a telemarketer gets through, I ask for their home number so that I can call them back at a time when I can give them the time and attention they deserve. (Haven’t had a taker yet).
Funny in an Obamabot way!
#609 antifish
Send it to the Regional Mods! (kidding).
Maybe Murphy should read it first?
Well this made me sick when i read it but the nobamas are happy..Wish i knew what http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/26/AR2008072601893.html?hpid=topnewsHillary really wants
Pumas,
Don’t let the Gallup Poll get you down. He’s not really moving at Rasmussen. Let’s hope it’s a fluke.
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Sunday, July 27, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows Barack Obama attracts 46% of the vote while John McCain earns 41%. When “leaners” are included, it’s Obama 49% and McCain 44%. McCain’s numbers are up a point from yesterday while Obama’s remain unchanged. Obama is viewed favorably by 56% of voters, McCain by 55%.
#582 slyt2
I was just going to say that I just saw it on CNN.com about BHO going to the hip doctor.
Please don’t start to holler at me again, but in my audiology program the teacher told us that on the average a person with hip injury ( like broken hip) lives only for 3 years. THIS IS A STATISTIC!!! I hope that BHO will feel better.
#606 alohapuma
And also I think Lanny was speaking in code when he made the statement that he thought 8 years of Obama would be better than 4 years of McCain?
For One: Surely he had to know that the idea of ANY years of Obama would infuriate us to be more resolved in our efforts.
But Two: Why did he limit the McCain side to only 4 years? Why not compare 8 years of Obama to 8 years of McCain?
I think he knows something. If not Hillary in 08 than certainly in 2012. That sentence from Lanny seemed very peculiar to me.
Dances,
You’re right. Waiting for Murphy to respond. I will forward it to her though.
#610 DancesWithPumas LOL good one.. I’ll have to remember that when I get a call .
#342 About Gallup Poll
Looks like Cindi Sheehan has the signatures she needed to get her name on the ballot. She needed 10,198 and she has 11, 274!! Way to go Cindi!!
the democratic presumptive nominee should be enjoying a comforable double-digit lead right now. At least 12 points. He should be bouncing from all the democrats flocking to him from their candidates and he should be being buoyed by the glowing press attention he gets between now and the republican convention. This is the honeymoon period for the dem nominee. Kerry and Gore were 10-27 points up against Bush at this point in 2004 and 2000.
http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/donkeyrising/2004/07/kerry_vs_bush_among_persuadabl.html
Who the hell are these people viewing Obama favorably. They must be on crack. He is a poster child for the nasty politician. Americans need to stop eating those potato chips and watching American Idol and start paying attention.
This is so weird. My computer shows me error message and then when I click “back” button it shows that it went through. Why am I getting the error message?
Murphy, are those numbers listed respectively? I heard someone on another blog say that Bush and Kerry were separated by one point this week in 2004.
Rodham and ssmith, Welcome to Puma country! We hope you find a home here and feel welcome to post anytime!
One Love
antifish — yes! I got in email this morning. At first I was hurt, then I thought it was funny and wanted to share it but then I said, nah. post it by all means.
They emailed it to you too?
I read somewhere a comment by a famous poet (can’t remember who) who had spent some years earning money by teaching a correspondence poetry course. His students would send him their poems in the mail (this was the olden days) and he’d comment, critique and send them back. He was a lovely man, but he HATED the job. It broke his heart he said to read these poems coming to him from all over the country. He said, “Receiving someone’s poem in the mail is sort of like receiving a box with their little finger in it.”
I am getting”the website has a programming error”.
anonymous, I posted the same thing twice because I didn’t think it went through….got the error.
#521 murphy
BHO can’t possibly have a double digit lead. This is wrong. I hope that this number will go down again by tomorrow or in a couple of days.
558 tennaseepuma
15….That’s the number of Obama’s Delegates who have switched to Hillary Clinton in July.
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Would you have the link to this?
I think the American Idol is starting to get scared and since he has waited this long to pick his VP and his numbers are not that great he may just have to look to Clinton’s for help. Who knows what’s been going on behind closed doors but maybe what was decided a few weeks ago is starting to change.
It is great that Cindi got more than enough signatures!
Let’s hope Obummer does not get involved and show Nancy Pelosi how to nullify the signatures like he did in Chicago with Alice Palmer….
andy — from what I could find — 2000 was a LONG time ago in internet years — Gore surged ahead in early August and Bush dipped, resulting in a 10-point lead around this time (I may be off on the exact week).
BUT Kerry was up by as much as 27 points!
thanks for keeping me honest though!
QUESTION TO ALL PUMAS:
If you are, or were going to Denver for the Convention,
what kind of information would you want before hand and during you stay?
Antifish and I are adding to an ongoing list but I don’t want to sway you with the info we’ve already collected).
Just brainstorm and post… you don’t have to dwell or make fabulous sentences.
1… 2… 3….GO PUMAS!!
#626 Murphy,
I don’t want to post it if it hurt your feelings. You shouldn’t let those idiotic bots bother you. All they have is their two cards, Republican and racist. I noticed both were used in the poem. They’re pathetic
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows Barack Obama attracts 46% of the vote while John McCain earns 41%. When “leaners” are included, it’s Obama 49% and McCain 44%.
Rasmussen he only has a 5 point lead.
… waiting.
Murphy—I thought the honeymoon, so to speak, was after the conventions. He has “flamed out” with this European bit. What is left to throttle “it” up? I think that the “citizen of the world” adoration is going to start to become a bore…bore…bore…as the ratings for the media tank…tank…tank… Remedy–”Let’s start asking this wonderful citizen some real questions.”
# 372 PumaAllie, Just made it to your post. I am very grateful for each and every person in the Armed Forces, and that includes our allies. I am extremely proud that these brave men and women are risking their lives daily on behalf of freedom everywhere.
My family has offered this country their service time and time again, always heeding the call, I love and respect each and everyone of them.
Thank you and your family for their service on my behalf, and behalf of my country.
One Love
anonymous — no, best case is a 6-point lead. doesnt seem like mccain is really campaigning that hard though, so I discount the poll as being indicative of much. here’s the link.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/108961/Gallup-Daily-Obama-leads-McCain-Six-Points.aspx
… on bended knee…
#620 hillaryistheone,
I so glad to hear Cindy Sheehan got the required signatures. Now let’s hope she beats Nancy’s pants off!
The polls don’t even matter, it is the electoral college that matters and I no longer look at the map because it is so discouraging.
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jeremy — YUP!
antifish — no go ahead please do post it — i think it’s good to laugh at stuff like that.
If the poll includes leaners I don’t pay much hed to them. How do they determine a leaner, its too subjective.
#592 jbjd
Thank you. I really hope that Jewish voters will turn away from BHO.
My sister went to the wailing wall and left a note there and both times her prayer was answered. I would like to go to Israel one day.
I thought gallup said nine. What is going on with these poll numbers? They seem to flip around every hour.
Dances,
I guess no one wants to know anything about Denver.
Wait… I have to leave…
not interested in anything obots have to say… especially about Murphy or any one of us. Why give them any more air time than they already have?
Be back later. Please have some suggestions.
649 antifish
Good! let’s go out and play then!!
Trish: Did we ever find a direct email address for Jill Padwa from Rhode Island? She was the Jewish superdelegate (on board of their local JCC). I know I couldn’t find it when I was searching.
#638 Jeremy
”Let’s start asking this wonderful citizen some real questions.”
Even if he (or his speech writer) comes up with some convincing WORDS, it will still be JUST words. His character and credibility still speak louder.
I’m out of here. I can’t keep my mind on this any longer. I’m angry that I even bother checking up on the news. I try to limit weekend news intake.
# 634 DancesWithPumas
#1 Safety Precautions
#2 Everything else–travel?
Sorry, someone else posted the earlier.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1005882.html
I think the party line dems (who are mostly lawyers) are looking at who McCain would appoint to benches across the country and how many. I suspect that is the biggest threat of a McCain presidency.
I’m wondering if there is an offer to appoint Hillary to the Supreme Court. Wild speculation. BUT wouldn’t that solve a lot of problems…for some…that is.
647 anonymous – I also went to the wailing wall in the 70′s and put my prayer there also. I know how sacred that is, and I really, really take offense to what BO did, and I am not Jewish. I hope this info gets into the MSM and angers others.
OK, this is a literary gem from an Obamabot:
Becky Davis to me
The Midnight Ride of Darragh Revere
Listen my children and you shall hear
Of the midnight ride of Darragh Revere,
In the political campaign of two thousand eight;
She and her kind were stormin’ the gate.
Who remembers that famous primary day,
When mean Darragh said to Ioway:
“If the darkie should win in your state tonight,
Hang a lantern aloft and cry feminist plight,
and unite with me as a beacon of white.”
“One if by land, and two if by sea;
And I for the opposite party will be.”
But wait said some who googled her name,
In campaigns gone by she gave to McSame.
Never to Kerry, not to Gore,
Not a penny to Edwards, nothing more.
“One if by land, and two if by sea;
If you nominate a black, I’m for Hillary.”
She’s ready to ride and spread the hate,
The PUMAs in tow won’t deviate.
The feminist cause on Fox she’ll spew,
Never admitting her racist view.
One if by land, and two if by sea,
PUMAs are for the white nominee.
(Oh well, at least she thinks Hillary is a “nominee”. LOL)
#652 pa dem
All I have is her husband’s name and info to his office, I think he is a lawyer. I was starting to believe she didn’t exist but she is a real person who in uncommitted from RI where Clinton received 58% of the votes in the primary. This Jill is certainly well hidden.
Is there anyone from RI here who an track her down, after all she is a Superdelegate so someone somewhere has to know her.
Don’t mean to sound like a negative nancy but I thought it was agree Denver talk and planning would happen outside this blog
The media keeps stating that McCain should quit complaining that BO is the media darling, since McCain was in 2000. Well, it that is true, then being the media darling sure did not help McCain in 2000, so hopefully it will not help BO in 2008.
#653–notfollowing—He has already gave indications of that. He gave one of his press secretaries (Katie C) a slap on the hand when she was trying to get clarification on his position that he wanted to send MORE troops to Afghanistan, after not holding one meeting as chair to this cmte.–#2 he lectured on of the press pool–first name was Chris–that if he wanted to continue to recognized to ask questions, he had better not do it in a way that would “pin him down” on a position. There is the credibility. A speech is one thing–Q&A–forget it.
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#640 murphy
Thank you for all of your hard work. We need you to be on the news again. Mr. Bower was on CNN. We need more people from Just Say No Deal and PUMA. PLEASE!!!
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Murphy – you should be flattered that you matter to some that much that they would write a poem about you. That took some time and effort – which was probably a struggle for the Obamabot.
I am Jewish and take major offense at this publicity stunt of Bo’s. How low can he go? Well, I guess we know the answer to that and more evidence comes in daily. Yet, he numbers rise? I believe that is because people really believe that Hillary is no longer an option and they must choose between McCain and Obama and McCain is not really campaigning right now.
We must work hard to let people know that Hillary is viable still….
I don’t know why I waste so much time being surprised at BO and his appalling tactics…it’s predictable; and preposterous to watch this man rise to the level he has.
to be recognized=revise
do it in a way that would NOT “pin him down”
Sorry PUMAS–when I am in a hurry to get a thought down–my mind goes faster than my fingers can keep up with on the keyboard.
I’m trying to get that “poem” off my screen.
There;s a reason I don’t the obot swamps, and I thought we agreed to keep the swamp out of here.
It’s pure crap.
#661 Trish,
We are asking for input. We have no way of knowing what information people would like without asking. Some people who blog here are not registered with the Regional Moderators.
Obama’s had a lead like this in the Gallop Poll before, if I recall. But, it has never lasted. He’s never been able to sustain this kind of a lead. I say, ignore the polls like you can ignore the MSM. The polls will change so many times in the coming months. And, in any case, they don’t really tell us anything we don’t already know: a lot of folks love Obama. The media loves Obama. We’ve got our own agenda, though, and all we can do is remain intensely focused on it and block out the rest of the noise, cause it really is just noise. It’s like the performance training done with athletes and artists: You have the person imagine the thing they’re going to do, be it shoot the ball in the basket, perform the cello piece just as they would like, etc. and you practice that mental discipline over and over. You don’t focus on imagining the worst, failing, not achieving your goal. It’s not something you can do just one or pull out of your hat in a crisis. It takes work every day. And, over time, it helps you hone your skills and sharpen your focus (in this case, our claws!) and maximize your chances of achieving what you want.
Who knows if this will unfold as we want it to. But, it’s our job to stay focused on our mission. The rest is everyone else’s problem. And at the end of the day, it will be what it is. If we are victorious in the tangible outcome, all the better. But, no matter what we will be victorious. We already are because we are actively engaging in democracy. We are empowering ourselves with our voices. We can go to sleep at the end of the day knowing we did the right thing. What more can any human do.
Hang in there everyone. We all have bad days, bad moments. But we’re doing the right thing.
Boy that bot just about managed every ism didn’t she? what a waste……………………….
#659 antifish
Aside from the poem’s message being crap, its very poorly written, has no substance. two words rhyming do not make a poem.
The writer obviously think’s he or she, I suspect its a he, is smart. Self praise is no praise I guess.
And they don’t know Murphy well at all, she has more integrity and fortitude than all of Bo’s flock put together.
Sorry thought the bot was a she – it didn’t write very good poem…………..
Trish: Thanks. I sent the western wall bit to ALL my local Rabbis (including Chabad, Hillel, etc.), and to the email address for the JCC in Rhode Island that she is the Associate Treasurer for.
659 antifish
LOL…we are either feminist, racist, or closet Republicans…never mind facts and real issues.
So thar ya go…its all said an done according to Becky Someone!
Laugh. It’s funny. It’s very funny.
Evening all.
Why all the concern over the polls (andy). Did Mcain do anything terrible? No. Did whats his face do anything spectacular? No. So what could possibly cause such a sudden shift? Nothing. It is a statistical oddity. Thats all.
If something had occurred we would know the reason for a real shift.
If you put a thousand monkeys at typewriters for a thousand years one of them would write Deans biography. Or maybe all would in the first twenty minutes.
Dances/Anti
-Commuication system between Pumas in Denver
-Buddy system set up
-Plan to deal with Emergency/health problems
-Plan to deal with unfriendly Obama supporters
-plan to deal with Police if necessary
I posted the links regarding the Western Wall. For those that missed it… here are the links again:
http://whatsuddenly.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-gave-media-his-western-wall-note.html
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1005882.html
I believe we should take that off the blog. It can be used out of context and to discredit us.
Trish:
What is happening with the superdelegate project? Are the contact lists completed yet?
679 pa dem – I do not know a lot about the Jewish religion, so please excuse my ignorance. Is there a head Rabbi somewhere that this info could be sent to?
The only accurate thing about that tripe is the “author” used a part of the American Revolution as her theme. She was right about that!
684 Lorelai
We are in agreement. Remove any of my references to it as well.
#677 Trish,
I agree. The “poem” is trash, but it’s important that we show people who read this blog what we are up against on a daily basis. This is so typical of the insults I receive every day when I’m out blogging. I’m sure everyone here has weathered the Obamabot Republican/racist attack at one time or another.
YourNorthernNeighbor
Excellent!!
I shouldnt have been so impatient.
Worth the wait.
NOBAMA is plain and simple PARASITE! The man has NO RESPECT for the WAILING WALL; for him it was PURE and SIMPLE PHOTO-OPS. What NOBAMA had done by giving a copy of his supposedly prayer only known to him and God to a NEWSPAPER, he DESECRATED a HOLY PLACE respected by christians, Jewish and other faith around the world!
WHAT A FREAKING LOWLIFE NOBAMA IS!!!!!!!!!
Predictable Ad from a Preventable Mistake–It is long but already look at the damage control and spin taking place.
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–updated–
“”Well, this ad was as predictable as it was preventable. The back and forth in the Wall Street Journal says it all:
Sen. Obama was flying from London to Chicago Saturday when the McCain campaign issued a statement from Joe Repya, a retired Army colonel who said Sen. Obama had broken a commitment to visit the wounded Americans, “instead flitting from one European capital to the next.”
“Several explanations were offered, none was convincing and each was at odds with the statements of American military leaders in Germany and Washington,” Mr. Repya said. “For a young man so apt at playing president, Barack Obama badly misjudged the important demands of the office he seeks. Visits with world leaders and speeches to cheering Europeans shouldn’t be a substitute for comforting injured American heroes.”
In turn, Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor said Sens. Obama and McCain both believed that troops should be honored and noted that the Illinois senator had visited troops in Iraq and Afghanistan last week and had made numerous trips to Washington’s Walter Reed Army Medical Center. Sen. Obama still didn’t want injured soldiers “pulled into the back-and-forth of a political campaign,” Mr. Vietor said in a statement.
“That’s why we imagine Sen. McCain would be surprised that his campaign released this wildly inappropriate accusation that politicizes the issue,” Mr. Vietor said.
McCain can get away with this because of his own biography. That’s why it was a big mistake not to get that he’d use it. Obama, of all people, knows how this type of hardball politics is played. He proved to be a master at it in the primary season.
This is the stuff and subject matter Republicans lap up and push forward with gusto. You just don’t hand them the weapon, especially not on the troops. It doesn’t matter that the script is as insulting as it is absurd. The effectiveness of the ad goes to the perception of Obama being a glory hound and like it or not if McCain and his team can make this stick, Obama’s going to spend the rest of the general responding to it. First huge mistake from team Obama of the post primary season campaign. Letting McCain define him through one of the GOP’s favorite standard talking fantasy points about Democrats: we don’t support the troops. Remember, it doesn’t matter that it’s a ludicrous notion. It doesn’t matter that McCain has a worse record on veterans’ issues, including ignoring Webb’s new GI bill. It matters if the public buys it. We’ll see if it sticks, but Obama left himself wide open for this one. A totally unforced error that was candidate inflicted.
On the west coast, “Meet the Press” hasn’t aired yet, nor have the other Sunday show in their entirety. We’ll see if Brokaw and Obama talk about it today or who else brings it up. You east coasters can respond if you’ve already seen it.
It’s clear Obama and his team made a calculated decision that visiting wounded troops would have looked like political grandstanding. The reality is that a politician will always be given cover when it comes to showing empathy towards wounded soldiers, the benefit of the doubt. But no one gets a pass for not showing up, no matter how sincere the reason. That’s military politics 101. There’s no way around it.
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UPDATE: Obama’s team is in full damage control on this one. From “Face the Nation” today, but it’s hardly convincing:
BOB SCHIEFFER: Senator Reed, now you’ve done a lot of these trips. They call them “codels,” “congressional delegations,” go. Are you ever allowed to take cameras when you go in to visit wounded troops? I thought that was sort of the general rule that everybody knew about.
JACK REED: I don’t think Senator Obama would have done that. Senator Hagel, Senator Obama and I visited the combat support hospital at Baghdad to thank those nurses, those doctors, to see patients that were there, to bring a bit of greetings from home and profound thanks. That should be in the ad that Senator McCain is running. I think Senator Obama made a very wise choice. Any suggestion that a visit to a military hospital would be political, he made the wise choice not to go. But when you were in Baghdad we made a point at the end of a very exhausting day to go in and see these magnificent young Americans and those doctors and nurses that give such tremendous care without a lot of fanfare, just to say thanks. He did it—the same thing. We went—we didn’t stay in Kabul. We went to Jalalabad to see the soldiers of the 173rd. We stopped in Basra to see our soldiers down there. We went into Anbar province to see soldiers there. That is a completely distorted, and, I think, inappropriate advertisement.
CHUCK HAGEL: Let me add to that. As you know, Bob, the congressional delegation that you referred to ended when we parted in Jordan. At that point, it was a political trip for Senator Obama. I think it would have been inappropriate for him and certainly he would have been criticized by the McCain people and the press and probably should have been if on a political trip in Europe paid for by political funds—not the taxpayers—to go, essentially, then and be accused of using our wounded men and women as props for his campaign. I think the judgment there—and I don’t know the facts by the way. I know what you’ve just read. No one has asked me about it other than what you’ve just asked about. But I think it would be totally inappropriate for him on a campaign trip to go to a military hospital and use those soldiers as props. So I think he probably, based on what I know, he did the right thing. We saw troops everywhere we went on the congressional delegation. We went out of our way to see those troops. We wanted to see those troops. And that’s part of our job to see those troops, by the way, and listen to those troops, Bob. And we did.
BOB SCHIEFFER: Do you think that ad was appropriate?
CHUCK HAGEL: I do not think it was appropriate.
Well it has ben a good weekend I have to say, Got two more coming here and guess what? One of them is a green party member.
I think we can find a lot of support over there so if you know any greens give them a holler.
I have to deal with a union activist next week I was talking to today. He said he and his union will be supporting *61 because he is a democrat.
I argued that if he knew everything I know he wouldn’t even consider supporting precious, he agreed to hear me out next week.
This will be fun.
So far I have brought 14 people on board. If I can pull this one in I want a cookie. And chocolate milk too.
686 Not exactly…although there are organizations for each sect of Judaism that are headed by individual rabbis, and those organizations have contact information. Give me a sec to look them up. Here are the interesting excerpts for anyone wanting to contact local synagogues:
Subject: Obama Gave Media his Wailing Wall Note!
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1005882.html
Excerpt:
“Ma’ariv issued a response Sunday, saying that “Obama’s note was published in Ma’ariv and other international publications following Obama’s authorization to make the content of the note public. Obama submitted a copy of the note to media outlets when he left his hotel in Jerusalem. Moreover, since Obama is not Jewish, there is no violation of privacy as there would be for a Jewish person who places a note in the Western Wall.”
http://whatsuddenly.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-gave-media-his-western-wall-note.html
Excerpt:
In a world tour filled with media stunts, the low point must be Obama’s visit to the Western Wall, Judaism’s holiest site.
While Obama looked as if he were in prayer at the Western Wall, sharing in the tradition of writing one’s message to God and placing the note in a crevice of the ancient stones, international media — Obama’s God? — already were reading the note.
Prior to leaving the King David Hotel, Obama gave copies of the note to the media. We know this only because The Israeli newspaper, Ma’ariv came under attack for publishing their copy.
Here are some ideas of people/places to contact regarding a request for support/public statement regarding Obama’s sinful use of the Wailing Wall as a PR opportunity. I don’t know if any of these ideas will pan out, but thought I’d give them a try and share with the rest if anyone else was interested:
American Jewish Congress
http://www.ajcongress.org/site/PageServer
World Jewish Congress
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/
Barney Frank is an SD who is an ardent Clinton supporter and he is Jewish.
There are also Jewish newspapers, but I’ll have to do a bit more research. The major ones are probably based in NY and LA, maybe some in FL.
One word of caution, some Jewish organizations that are primarily Orthodox tend to avoid secular political issues. (I speak from experiece.)
#685 Margenau
I’ll send you an e-mail shortly, we’re done but doing a little fine tuning
#578-mzebest – thanks for the link.. I will do that after I get off work.. for sure thanks:)
#610 – DWP.. I just love your comments.. the humor in them.. and what a great idea too!!!! LOL
686 Middle age female
“I do not know a lot about the Jewish religion, so please excuse my ignorance. Is there a head Rabbi somewhere that this info could be sent to?”
I find that you can look in your local yellow pages for the local synagogues… then search on the Internet to see if these synagogues have websites… most do. Usually there will also be links to write to the Rabbi at these synagogues.
693 snowtiger
The beer is on me.
#694 pa dem
I have something to show you, every hannukah they do a festival of lights in Toronto, its amazing, lighted images are placed throughout the city. So this past winter I took photos of them, I can send them if you like, or I can upload them to flicker.
689 antifsh
I don’t think we have to litter our blog with obot trash.
We all know what we’re dealing with… we’re aware of teh accusations and vile sexist and racist comments. We don’t have to parade it and rub each other’s noses in it.
And, we don’t have to give ignorant miscreants air time on our dime. They take enough of our time by coming in here masquerading.
Personally, this is a relatively safe harbor, and I for one don’t want to read anything they have to say… especially when it denigrates Murphy, or anyone else who is working so constructively. Their blind allegiance to their candy-date tells me all I need to know about them. All of them.
A slam dunk? If meaning in “spin” maybe. The last part will give you hairs. The point I am trying to make with this is that if there is ONLY a 7 – 9 point ADVANTAGE favoring the Citizen of the World, we are now in the first phase and continual “Barry Burn Out.”
Obama’s #2
“Meet the Press” was a slam dunk for Obama. He was relaxed, on point and unruffled. After the break he was asked The Question:
MR. BROKAW: Well, let me–you, you had a conversation with a prominent Hillary fundraiser that got reported in the Los Angeles Times, in which she asked you–she’s still a fan of, of Hillary, and she said…
SEN. OBAMA: So am I.
MR. BROKAW: And is she on your list?
SEN. OBAMA: I think Hillary Clinton–I’ve said–this one I can actually answer, because I’ve said consistently that I think Hillary Clinton would be on anybody’s short list. She, she is one of the most effective, intelligent, courageous leaders that we have in the Democratic Party.
MR. BROKAW: And according to the woman that you were talking to, you said that “we just don’t know what to do about Bill,” or something to that effect.
SEN. OBAMA: Oh, you know, I maybe–I think that a lot of conversations get characterized. I think that not only do I want Hillary Clinton campaigning with me, I want Bill Clinton, one of the smartest men in the history of politics, involved in our campaign. But I’m not going to, I’m not going to spill the beans here….
The reason I bring this up, besides the fact that Obama didn’t say anything new, is because of something I read on Politico today:
Barack Obama’s vice presidential search team has floated the name of a member of President Bush’s first-term Cabinet, Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman, as Obama’s running mate.
No idea at all about the reality factor on this one, but it proves one thing for sure. It’s the silly months of summer. I think a “unity” ticket with a Republican is an awful idea.
Watch Barack and Brokaw if you haven’t yet seen it. Obama is a cool customer, that’s for sure.
I keep getting kicked out of here so I will take my leave tonight……
I will send the links about the Wailing Wall to everyone tomorrow.
Also, Anna7000, Barney Franks is married to Ann Lewis who was one of Hillary’s senior advisors on the campaign. Hope this blog makes it. See you guys later……
There’s also the Jewish Federation. They have chapters in several major cities. This just happens to be the link to the one in LA, but if you google “jewish federation” you’ll get a lot of hits for chapters in many different cities and if you live in one of those metropolitan areas, you could always consider contacting them to see if they want to champion this issue.
http://www.jewishla.org/Home_Page.cfm
Lorelai – I didn’t know Congressman Frank was married. I used to live in Boston and was so proud that he was my representative, but I thought he was gay and very out of the closet. That’s interesting about Ann Lewis.
#703 Lorelai on 07.27.08 at 11:31 pm
They are related–brothers/sisters–not married. If wrong correct me here.
#587 Trishfromcanada
http://www.puma08.com/2008/07/22/a-most-important-call-to-puma-action-let-hillary-know/
this seems to be part of puma?
702 Jeremy,
When you mentioned “Slam Dunk”, I couldn’t help but think of what Tenet told Bush about the WMD…
Anna and others….
Right…polls and “poems” are all diversions. (The poem is comical you have to admit). We have two target objectives here. 1) Hillary in nomination, and 2) Persuading the SD’s to support Hillary’s nomination, then 3) Party reform.
I disagree with Lanny. I don’t think there is any teeth to party reform unless Obama is a loosing proposition…either as a candidate (please God) or a President (in which case we all loose a great deal). The SD’s are about securing their positions within the party and then they will talk about party reform. We are asking them to risk their office/power base based on conscience and electability for the Office of President which they will not do if it put their public office at risk. The SD’s are going to respond to money and public outcry in significant numbers. We have to give it to them.
Anyone can make speeches including me, but point but shrewd wins over emotions in politics.
http://www.jrf.org/staff-list
Reconstructionist
http://urj.org/write/
Reform
http://www.uscj.org/Staff_Directory6405.html
Conservative
http://www.ou.org/ou/contact
Orthodox
That should be a great start.
We really need to focus on the less conservative groups because the more orthodox, the more republican their views are anyway.
Oh my bad! You guys are right- I am so wrong and tired tonight. Thanks for correcting my information.
what an idiot I am …..
#702 Jeremy,
I think a “unity” ticket with a Republican is perfect for BO. It will lose him the rest of his ultra-left wing disciples. Those that stayed around after the FISA flip-flop and the faith-based initiative expansion policy declaration.
#696
Okay. Thanks, Trish.
Just wait till Joe Lieberman gets this info about the political stunt BO pulled at the wailing wall. Joe is very outspoken.
Does anyone one have the folder of Denver Security and Emergency issues that was posted at the old Action Center?
overnight post up — apologies for the continued clunkiness.
be wonderful to each other — tomorrow is another day!
Take it upstairs!
#659 antifish
This poem by Obamabot is scary.
#708– Northern Neighbor–Uggghh! I am your Southern Neighbor in Texas—”slam dunk” is a TX reference used broadly as something that is “easy”–”not taking effort”–and you would be dumb A– if you could not accomplish.” No comparison was intended and it is a dang sham Tenet has messed it up.
Dances,
None of what you posted was my intention. I stand by my previous statement. I thought the “poem” was funny and that it reveals the mindset of the typical bot. I certainly was not trying to parade or rub anyone’s nose in anything and I resent your inference to that effect. Please save your soapbox for you enemies. I’m not there.
Dances,
None of what you posted was my intention. I stand by my previous statement. I thought the “poem” was funny and that it reveals the mindset of the typical bot. I certainly was not trying to parade or rub anyone’s nose in anything and I resent your inference to that effect. Please save your soapbox for you enemies. I’m not there.
TOPIC: Keeping lines of communication open at Howard Dean’s Magical Mystery Bus Tour
Hi Puma friends!
As I was driving down the highway of life today heading north on this vacation, I kept thinking about Howard Dean being confronted by all us wonderful PUMA’s while on his bus tour.
First to say, I am SO proud of all of my fellow PUMAS turning out to take part in democracy in action. However my feeling is that we need to walk a delicate line between being assertive and coming across as angry and confrontational. I also think it’s more powerful when you come from a place of supporting someone or something, like Hillary or open rollcall, than being against something.
I think it might help our cause as PUMAS most if we can stand in support of Hillary, confront Dean as need-be, and not attack or assault the guy verbally. I’m not saying anyone has done this at all! (Texassherry knows how proud I was of her being the First Puma to set a good example for all the rest of us)!
Mainly, I just don’t think Dean’s going to be all that easy to convince about Hillary. Also, I think he still needs to warm up to the idea that an open convention is a good idea (because the Dems will come out of it w/a stronger candidate).
In short, I think it best if we wait to get “in his face” until it’s much closer to convention because I don’t think it’s good if he’s totally alienated from our cause from the get-go.
Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t show up in force, chant when appropriate, carry signs in support of Hillary and open rollcall, carry signs showing what the polls are saying, cheer if Hillary’s name is mentioned, etc.!
Well I hope this makes some sense (cause I had a wine cooler & then an alaska ale & I’m a light drinker)! urp!!
Carry on, good Pumas…And most of all, I cannot wait for Denver!!!!
Antifish,
Don’t worry about it. I got your back. Take it upstairs so we can chat ok?
Joe Lieberman is a great idea, though the last time I contacted him I got one of those, if you don’t live in my state I can’t address your issue kind of a deal. But, I’ll try again with this, especially now that he’s campaigning for McCain.
BO has made big promises to Dean, Pelosi and Brazile, that is why they continue to stand behind a loser.
They want what they want and to hell with the American people and their votes!
This is all about bribery, plain and simple. We should not allow these bloodsuckers into office in the first place. We were made promises just like BO is promising now {only we don’t exactly know what he is promising}, and we know what that got us, impeachment is off the table. Excuse me, but did we owe Bush a damn thing? Why is impeachment off the table? Now it seems a good time to bring it back right? Soon it will be re-election time and then what will those promises be?
I think Nancy wants the VP, and Donna wants Sec. of State, I believe they have been promised some big political promotion and we will be left holding the bag, the bag of s*it that BO has left for us to pick up.
I will never vote for BO, I am not white and I am not a republican, I am a voter who wants what is best for my country, Hillary is what is best for us, if the DNC fails to recognize that then for the first time in my 33 voting years, I will be forced by my own party to vote for a republican. I will not vote for the party, I will vote for the man!
I would much rather vote for the best woman, but unless that right is given to me and 18 million others, my vote is for McCain.
God Help Us.
One Love
Hey Pumas just wanted to let ya know that I just got off of youtube and there was a post on their that stated that we had a worm reading our blogs but he went by another name.He said that we were argueing about who to vote for in NOV. I posted that it wasn’t argueing it was discussing our options. Just wanted to give everybody a heads up.Also found this great video titled “I was wrong to promise An undivided Jerusalem” Charles Gibson is interviewing Obama and giving him h**L iT’S GREST AND MAYBE IT WILL MAKE EVERY ONE FEEL BETTER YA KNOW OVER THE POLLS AND ALL. I sent it to Hannity,O’reilly,rush and BRitt Hume.
#345 jbjd
Very well said! There are over 800+ comments on that WP thread. It’s attracting the usual suspects.
Listen my children and you shall hear
Of the courageous ride of Darragh Revere
One if by land two if by sea
On the side of Democracy is where she shall be
No cowards would join this noble ride
Tyrants could flee but nowhere could hide
Truth is her armor as bright as could be
Blinding the corrupt forcing to flee
ON through the night Darragh continued her ride
Calling to PUMAS, quick to my side
A mighty roar was heard in the night
Along with Darragh ready to fight
An army of Pumas stood undeterred
Until the song of truth was finally heard
One if by land two if by sea
Standing with Darragh is where you’ll find me
Sherry,
You silly Puma! I’m not going anywhere. Let’s throw the “poem” into the dustbin of history to, hopefully, soon be joined by one Barack Obama, presidential poseur and wannabe ascendant to the throne of Earth!
#727 snowtiger!
Now that’s a fine Puma poem!
Listen folks, if Lanny didn’t think we were doing the right thing, do you honestly think that he would have come on to the radio show? He validated us with the show. Come on, lets work at getting those petitions signed by pledged delegates in at least six states. We need six states with 50 delegates, or more than six states with at least 300 pledged delegates with notorized signatures on the state petitions. We can do this.
Hi All!
Everyone needs to do this survey for the “I Own My Vote” and pass along link. (Copy long link and do survey ASAP.)
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