A fun treat for tonight Puma PAC. Riverdaughter and I will be joining Sherri at No We Won’t Radio for the first installment of the Lion’s Share — an evening of fun and planning, from 8-10pm eastern. Confluence regulars Mawm and Gary Chapel Hill will join us for Denver updates, and we’ll be performing a radio play by the talented Madamab! It should be great fun — tune your internet dials here, and join the conversation. The Listener Line is: 347-539-5420.
Speaking of Denver. Folks, each bus costs between $8,000 and $14,000 (depending on starting point). Puma PAC members have been VERY generous, but to be brutally honest, we are going to have to raise quite a bit more to get a bus traveling to Denver from New York, Los Angeles, Dallas, Chicago, and Jacksonville — that’s over $60,000. SO, have a drink tonight at the Lion’s Share and join the fun. A beer or glass of wine costs $10. Mixed drinks are $20. But feel free to tip generously if you can. Water is always free!
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Greetings PUMAS!!
I was just about to post that!
SHOW STARTS @ 8PM EASTERN. Join Sheri Tag tonight for The Lions Share, a night for all Confluence and PUMA Pac members and all PUMAS from every corner of the blogosphere. Riverdaughter and Darragh Murphy will be here. We’ll start the evening with an interview of two well known bloggers at The Confluence, Gary Chapel Hill and Mawm, they were present at the RBC and UNITY events. We will perform a play written by madamab, a talented playwright who hails from The Confluence. Please join us!
Great News on the Gallup and Rasmussen Polls! Thbaks for posting the info downstairs!
Thhose are some stiff drink prices, Murphy.
For those prices I want a body shot…
jk .. well maybe?
hey, Lou Dobbs just has some pretty good straight talk about the love afair with BO. He actually sounded disgusted with them.
Hi PUMAs. Just got here..saw AOL – so what about the $$ raised? Saw PUMA on AOL.
Thanks
#4 antifish… I got up at 4:30am this morning and saw that many PUMAS were up all night?
This is becoming way annoying I type a message hit enter and it takes me away – and doesn’t post -
SO IMPRESSED WITH YOUR WEBSITE COSMETA – I signed up and hope others from Pumapac do the same – it is clean, user friendly and concise – I LOVE IT -
Proud of you -
Lou was just asked…” when did the media elect BO as President? he said… “FEBRUARY”
4 antifish
They make ‘em strong over at teh Confluence. After your first, you won’t feel a thing.
I just got an error also.
I’m going to turn in early.
Cosmeta… saw your site! Wonderful!
dragonfly is off of computer for the night and don’t know if you will get my email add?
A comment on Lou Dobbs was…Lou, I thought the media was suppose to non bias..Lou replied… that was a LONG time ago. Good for him. I do not always agree with his views….this was refreshing.
#13 LibertyPuma… Lou is trying to do the right thing. I’m proud of him… it takes guts to speak out against today’s MSM monopolies.
ok….gotta run, wow sleepy in here tonight, Puma’s prowled too much.
Goodnight everyone… hae a fun evening over at the Confluence and hope the show goes well!
ABC7 in Chicago on The Denver Group
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6282893
Wontbackdown. This is very true. I am addicted to the news. It is like self mutilation. LOL
Good night puma’s !!!
Thank you to everyone who responded to my request.
Dances with Pumas, I am so glad you are not changing your name!
Asian4Hillary, I completely agree. I do not watch either channel. It is just that it makes me utterly furious when I am inadvertantly witness to such blatant bias. I feel we need to be vigilant in calling the media on this when we see it.
Sigh. I know, I am tilting at windmills. I love you Pumas. Thank you for letting me vent. I will shut up now.
Lou is going to have a panel talking about all media morons following Nobama around. Should be good, I will keep my fingers crossed.
I like Lou Dobbs, he say it as is, he doesn’t toe the line or besotted with NOBAMA. Anderson Cooper is totally enamored with NOBAMA, I think the man feel some tingle crawling up his legs when he’s next to NOBAMA.
Good night Libertypuma sweet dreams.
Asian4Hillary, I agree with you 100%
liberty puma — we’ll be talking on the radio tonight about recent news stories — the plane, trip to europe, tanking in ohio, mccain nyt oped, etc.
Do tune in!
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/user/home.aspx
#25 murphy… did you see this???????????
ABC7 in Chicago on The Denver Group
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6282893
“Clinton delegate Kevin Conlon says that Hillary appreciates their commitment but doesn’t want a convention fight.
It’s nice that they have those passions but she has made it clear she respects the nomination process and Senator Obama has won it fair and square and she will be behind him,” said Conlon.”
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If this is true what this delegate is saying… it is time we rally to defeat Obama ny making sure McCain is elected.
It is not my first choice, but the BEST Choice, considering the alternative – IMO.
Oh, did my prowl. I was out and about today putting out flyers. Finally realized I had to remove those pesky little parentheses to get the email to send. LOL!
I used to like Keith Olbermann but when he started his tirade about Hillary calling her some names, that did it for me. I turned off MSNBC after that. Then, with CNN, it was Cafferty, Roland Martin and others literally drag Hillary to the ground and kicking her down. I’ve never heard and seen anything like it on TV. Damn! I miss Bernard Shaw, Walter Cronkite and the rest of REAL JOURNALISTS!
I miss TED TURNER! When he sold CNN to Time Warner, the sheit hit the fan! CNN now is tabloid news, might as well watch INSIDE EDITION. MSNBC and CNN is having a race who can be the best tabloid news. Their reporters are inferior. I remember my friend who happens to be a journalist said to me one time, “journalists are reporters who report something they themselves do not understand, put their own spin and pretend to be knowledgeable of the subject.”
#27 wontbackdown
Making sure McCain is elected will require dispatching PUMAs to ALL polling precints.
#28 antifish… be sure to let Murphy know about the lin:
ABC7 in Chicago on The Denver Group
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6282893
The delegate speaking “for Clinton” makes a pretty strong statement about Clinton not wanting a floor fight.
Hi again, did you find out anything more about donations? Please?
#30 nutmegbelle… you are so right! Been there done that in Texas caucus (circus) fraud.
#28 antifish… they may want to also discuss on the radio tonight what this delegate is reporting.
“she has made it clear she respects the nomination process and Senator Obama has won it fair and square and she will be behind him,”
I’ll believe it (maybe) when I hear Senator Clinton say it.
Are we really a country of airheads? What the HELL is going on, the media believes if people just see this Phony that’s it, all sewn up for the big O. I am so disgusted with this country that I can’t even see straight anymore. Go Lou… What the Hell does it mean to look presidential? I am so embarassed to be affiliated with the democratic party. This just keeps getting worse.
#35 DancesWithPumas…I’m with you. If this is true then our Hillary would be considered an OBOT!!! Highly doubtful after what she stood for in the primary!
#33 wontbackdown
Come to think of it, in this day and age, why there isn’t any modern surveillance equipment monitoring elections??? I’m sure BO wouldn’t mind that, right?
#27 wontbackdown
Hillary is saying what she has to. Don’t fret.
One, she has to appear to support Obama if she’s going to continue fighting for healthcare and all the other causes she champions.
Two, should she win the nomination, she will need the support of Obama’s followers. She can’t afford to antagonize them.
It’s our job now to fight the battle that she cannot. Keep your spirits up. Keep the dream alive. Hillary didn’t end her campaign. That means we still have hope for Denver.
Can’t wait!
http://www.hellnobama.com
http://www.hellnobama.com/quotes.html
http://www.hellnobama.com/michelleobamathesis.html
FYI – from what I could find Kevin Conlon is from Chicago Illinois. Enough said.
#35 DancesWithPumas
I have to hear it from HRC or else my ears are still plugged and I say “la la la la la la la”
#35 DancesWithPumas… thanks DWP… Why is everyone speaking FOR her… or are we just not listening?
Besides… why does Clinton get to choose for us now?
I cannot VOTE for him! I will not Vote for him!
5 minutes to show time:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com
#41 MuchAdoAboutSomething… OH! Your are RIGHT! GEEEEZZZE!
… where is Al Capone when you need him?
Hey, I’m from Chicago — I KNOW the true Obama. His friends, his old area he governed over, etc. There’s a reason why the Illinois budget is in the DARK RED!!!
“Change” my butt.
http://www.hellnobama.com
http://www.hellnobama.com/quotes.html
http://www.hellnobama.com/michelleobamathesis.html
goanderson
LOL
I’m not being allowed to post here. Every time I try, I get an error page.
Hillary Clinton speaks for herself.
Hillary Clinton speaks for herself.
Hillary Clinton speaks for herself.
Hillary Clinton speaks for herself.
Hey, go figure. Make a liar out of me. Some anti-Puma gremlin, I guess.
#38 nutmegbelle… no kidding… except he would make himself the exception to the rule.
Logging out to hear the radio program!
48 antifish
People have been getting weird messages since the blog when down and was out back up.
Murphy! Just sent some monies for the busses. Please don’t encourage me to sit down and have a drink at the Lion’s Share again, please and thank you. chuckle
Antifish, can you see my messages? I wanted an update on Hillary and her donations. Will try this again, but will go somewhere to find out..Thanks.
#49 murphy… sorry murphy… it just pisses me ……
“They called DENVER GROUP “MILITANTS”.
Has PumaPAC publicly invited all disenfranchised Women Count PAC members to join us?
If not, (hopefully former) Women Count PAC members, please join PumaPAC. We would love to have you!
#54 virginia.puma … I’m with you… not a good idea for me.
Yea, instead of calling for her to drop out, now they want her to disown her voters.
It never ends.
Guess you’ve all heard that Ms. Clinton today officially came out against PUMA: “We oppose any effort that doesn’t support a Democratic victory in the fall, including PUMA.”
I’m not in the least bit affected by her statement. Nothing much about Ms. Clinton reflects my principles anymore.
However, regarding efforts to pay off her debt, which by the way I’m not an advocate for, I read some piece by a certain Tom Christopher (don’t know him, but he sounds like a twit reporter) saying that a spokesperson for the Clinton campaign claims they haven’t seen a cent from any PAC group.
Justsaynodeal.com says $10 milion was raised to pay off her debt; about 5 million is left.
However, according to the FEC, Clinton only raised $2.7 million in June, vs. $5.4 million in new spending.
A spokesperson for the Clinton campaign had this to say:
“As far as we know, that $10 million is a fallacy. We have not seen that money. It is our understanding that these groups provide links to our website, and there is no way to track which sites those donations come from. We have received no donations from the PAC.”
I take it the true numbers to what’s been raised will be announced on August 20. I hear most of the money raised took place between the fourth of July and now. That period has not been accounted for yet.
I’m getting curious again. If Ms. Clinton doesn’t want PUMA’s support then how can she then turn around and accept its money for her debt?
In my opinion Ms. Clinton is becoming an enigma. Dare I say, CRAZY
#59 Maryland PUMA … the called the Denver Group “Militants” Maryland!
#56 wontbackdown
I’ll show them a “militant”! You know they have to be running scared at this point. They will continue to try and silence us by spewing lies and mistruths……
#60 maxgrader… WOW! Now that raised the hair on my neck!
Is anyone watching O’Reilly on Fox? He’s doing a report on Wexler being investigated and also for his accusations that FOX is racist.
#62 goandersen… The whole thing HURTS!!!!!!
I hurt for my Country, my Gender and Voters!
#60 maxgrader on 07.23.08 at 8:05 pm
[[Guess you’ve all heard that Ms. Clinton today officially came out against PUMA: “We oppose any effort that doesn’t support a Democratic victory in the fall, including PUMA.”]]
Read between the lines, my friend. “A Democratic victory” is code for “Don’t count Hillary out yet.”
Remember, she only suspended her campaign. She didn’t end it. She didn’t release her delegates.
See also my post #39.
Wexler is in trouble for not even living in Florida — a state he’s supposed to be representing.
Bill O’ Rielly just called MoveOn.Org the New KKK wawawawawawa for calling fox news rascist hahahaaha
#60 maxgrader
Oh please. Post the link to your information.
Besides, we have been over the debt issue already. Those figures will not show up until Aug..
Senator Clinton has not said this herself.
wontbackdown:
Which part was that?
Excuse me if I offended you in any way.
#60 maxgrader
You need to understand that Clinton has to say those things. Imagine you have terrorists listening to every word you say and watching your every move. You have to send signals covertly while saying words that won’t make your captives suspicious of you.
#65 wontbackdown
Take it easy honey. Step back and take a breath. She has not said any of this.
Firebelle puma is right #66
For you, goanderson:
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/07/21/hillary-tells-puma-no-deal/2#comments
Had a heck of a time getting logged on here tonight -
Speaking of Lou Dobbs above – what IF we thought like the no named one – and convinced Lou Dobbs that we would buy his book if he promoted us on CNN and with his influence everywhere – money talks – look what it has been doing for Precious – would be the best kind of advertising that we could ever get.
#65 wontbackdown
AOL is another one that prints mistruths and twists information.
Frankly, I don’t like the games. Ms. Clinton is simply confusing me further.
Thank you, goanderson, for your take on AOL.
#39 Firebelle Puma Thnaks you… Sorry for being imature. You are right. You all are right.
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#70 maxgrader… you didn’t offend me. The opposes PUMA and the $$$ issue. They are right, the “PACS” didn’r send the money, her supporters did! Not Obama, the DNC – her SUPPORTERS!
That is what offended me. Her supporters are still supporting her campaign and WE have to keep the faith in a seriously flawed process.
#60 – The internet campaign to raise money for Hillary was July 4th, so it won’t show up until August’s report to the FEC. While Hillary was my candidate, she doesn’t speak for me. And she doesn’t own my vote. I appreciate she is a former First Lady and her husband is a former Democratic President. I understand she has to support the Democratic Party and I don’t begrudge her that loyalty. My loyalty is to vote my interests, and that of my family’s. I own my vote and Obama hasn’t earned it. I won’t support him, I have disavowed the Democratic Party and re registered as an independent. I will vote for the most qualified candidate now, and in the future. My strong belief was that Hillary was the best candidate. My strong belief now is that John McCain is the strongest of the remaining candidates. Hillary won this nomination, she had the popular vote, and she won it. The DNC denied her that victory and stuck us with the weakest of candidates. That was their error, but I won’t punish my country or myself by supporting that error in judgement. While I appreciate all of Hillary’s qualifications, I won’t be swayed by her statements of party unity. I will still vote for the best candidate. And that is most certainly not Barack Obama.
#76 maxgrader
It’s a sticky situation, and don’t like games either.
Senator Clinton is not the one playing games, it’s the media, DNC and party elites. Let’s not leave out Mr. No Name.
She really does have to be careful of what she says.
Let me repeat, please:
If Ms. Clinton doesn’t want PUMA’s support then how can she then turn around and accept its money for her debt?
About the CNN blogs-
I post there successfully… more than I post here… since I figure there I am not preaching to the choir.
You may not be posted until LONG after the blog is closed. It may close at 89 comments and ultimately end with 540.
On the weekends, they will not go through and post most comments until Monday.
I think Obama has professional bloggers who hit the blogs EARLY- Eastern time. By 0900 NM time- they have been posting for 3 hours already. So…. I try to get on early. The weekends are slower- they must take a break- but you may not see your commets till monday.
I do not often use a PUMA associated name… I occassionally do use ‘for fair play’… but also:
Phantom of the Oprah
No Nos No Nos Moveran
Sheople but not the people etc.
I vary them around according to my mood.
I get posted more often than NOT.
I got on the Cafferty one today… several times…
Just gotta wait for it to show up….many hours later.
#74 Wizard … Smart thinking. We need some damn leverage.
#60 maxgrader
I would like to add an additional thought to the statement I already posted which was as follows: You need to understand that Clinton has to say those things. Imagine you have terrorists listening to every word you say and watching your every move. You have to send signals covertly while saying words that won’t make your captives suspicious of you.
Everyone looks at little details here and little details there and they react to the small details. But you need to step back and look at the big picture. My analogy of terrorists still stands. Under those circumstances you learn to say things that will keep the terrorists (that are watching you) happy, while secretively you make plans to escape the tyranny. Hillary is a smart lady. She knows what she’s doing and she needs us. She’s also counting on our collective intelligence to keep doing what we are doing cause it’s helping her… but she can’t say so publicly.
If you step back… her statements make perfect sense. Obama’s camp is scared… and desperate… because we are having an effect. If you were Obama and you knew you were in trouble and desperate to gain control… what would be one of the tactics you would try? Wouldn’t you think of Clinton as the leader of the PUMA’s? Wouldn’t you force her to make a public statement denouncing the movement in hopes that you could gain control again? Realize we are officially in a fight to defeat tyranny… and Hillary has to play it the game too as best as she can and as smart as she can.
#81 maxgrader
Here is my take. Unless and until I hear those words from Senator Clinton herself, then they do not mean a thing to me.
maxgrader
just my opinion, but a quote from an un-named source at the campaign is not the same as hillary saying it…hillary is also not allowed to cooperate with PACs.
#35 DancesWithPumas and in general:
I won’t believe anything till the convention is over. Hillary hasn’t said anything herself as far as I know. Even if she did, that is something she has to do. As far as I am concerned it isn’t over till the convention.
After the convention and Hillary is not nominated then I will back McCain 100% but till then, it is Hillary all the way.
#44 DancesWithPumas
Cannot enter Blog Radio link, internet explorer error on page!
goanderson:
With all due respects, the courage to say what you mean is all I give a damn about regarding my vote for a candidate running for president.
Obama has already suffered the wrath of my principles. I only wish Ms. Clinton doesn’t become a carbon copy of him.
#76 maxgrader on 07.23.08 at 8:15 pm
[[Frankly, I don’t like the games. Ms. Clinton is simply confusing me further.]]
She has no choice. She can’t come out and say what she really wants to say. It would kill her career … and her hopes of addressing healthcare and all the other things she wants to do for us.
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From your previous post … [[Guess you’ve all heard that Ms. Clinton today officially came out against PUMA: “We oppose any effort that doesn’t support a Democratic victory in the fall, including PUMA.”]]
“Including PUMA” is code for “PUMA, you’re being noticed.”
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I know I’ve posted this several times before, but some people need cheering up again. Enjoy …
To my fellow Pumas who mourn the show of unity Hillary must now provide, I offer this …
I like to look at this as though I were a fiction writer who understands that great stories demand great conflict. Great stories demand that the heroine be continually beset with seemingly insurmountable obstacles, each one bigger and tougher than the one before it, until finally it appears that all is lost. Then, and only then, can the writer allow the heroine to emerge victorious and provide the audience with the most delicious and satisfying ending possible.
This is still Act II, dear Pumas, not Act III. And in Act II, things must still get worse before they can get better. Our heroine Hillary fought valiantly during a difficult primary season, and yet she failed to secure the nomination. So now, the plot thickens. Now our heroine Hillary must do the heretofore unthinkable and infiltrate enemy territory. It’s a more daring and precarious plan that she has undertaken before, but her options are few.
Key to her success is convincing the evil Nobama and his ilk that she supports him wholeheartedly. But her loyal Pumas know better. So do our allies in other camps. It’s a ruse. It’s a diversion. It’s 18 million cracks in a glass ceiling through which we can slip in and attack. It is a brilliant plan, dear Pumas.
Like you, I fear for our heroine Hillary in the clutches of the evil Nobama. But we must remain brave and stalwart Pumas. We must do the things that our heroine Hillary cannot do now.
Sadly, not all of us can march on Denver. Not all of us have the resources to help pay down Hillary’s debt. Not all of us are gifted at writing letters and emails. But by pooling our energies and resources, we can do great things. Together, we are invincible.
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And now I’m headed out to work on a project. I’ll be back later.
I couldn’t get on the blogradio either
#81 maxgrader… I don’t want to think of Hillary Clinton as my “enemy”. I won’t believe it. I’ll go to my grave believing that she cares about her country, her supporters and the good of the people.
If I can’t believe in that… I won’t believe at all.
IT’S NOT OVER UNTIL THE LADY IN THE PANTSUIT SAYS IT’S OVER!!!
#90 Firebelle Puma… You are one terrific person!
This is the second time I have ever written anything.
I have been reading the stuff that everyone has been writing for the last days and days.
Everywhere there are statements about paying down Senator Clinton’s debt and statements about making contributions.
I never see any statements about making contributions to this site. It seems to me that if everyone like this so much then they would start working just as hard to raise money for this site as they did for Senator Clinton.
sigh
#90 Firebelle Puma
I agree with your Act II analogy… also see a similar analogy posted at #84. We all need to trust in what we’re doing… stay strong… and trust Hillary… but NOT trust every statement made publicly. We have a tyranical candidate who is running and controlling the show.
mzbest:
I won’t allow my money to be used for some scheme.
You say what you mean.
No games.
Period.
LADYHAWKE: HERE’S THE URL
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/IndependentPolitic/2008/07/24/Independent-Politic-News-Politics-Current-Events-and-Analysis-wwwIndependentpoliticcom-2
#93 Maryland PUMA. OK.
You know, I may not get the chance to ever see “Universal Healthcare”, but I understand today, more than ever, that when it comes to human beings and their struggles in today’s economy, it would so be the right thing to do.
#95 captjack… good point… maybe it is time to shift. But the convention is still on the horizon and to put Hillary in the best possible position was the goal.
Good Evening everyone,
Just a reminder we updated the email form at politically drunk with another 70 superderlegates email addresses last night. As of last night we had sent out nearly 110,000 emails in less than a week. Be sure to email the form and revisit every three days to hit up the next group of superdelegates. have a great evening.
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/07/just-say-no-deal-email-initiative.html
Some joker named pumapounder has been desperately trying to get in to our forum. I kinda feel bad for the guy. He seems so desperate. So, here’s one of his comments — he’s a wonderful manifestation of the Obama Movement.
“You cows need to get on board or take the risk of being left behind. This is a chance to not just win in November but to completely destroy the Facist bastards on the right. We don’t need checks and balances with these rednecks who should (and might be) jailed, we need to make the decisions that will…
Finally rid us of guns,
No restrictions to womens right to choose,
Universal health care,
Reparations to people of color,
Fairness Doctraine,
Hate laws,
We will be completely unopposed to right the evils of this piece of S*** we call a democracy and you horses asses are going to f***ing ruin it.”
Hillary made a promise while she was campaigning. She said that if she was not the candidate, she would do everything for the “Chosen One”. She cannot fall back on her word. The issue here is that we are fighting against the DP and it’s imposed candidate. Whatever Hillary says is not a command for us to follow. We are fighting for our rights as voters. We are not voting for O no matter who asks us to. Keeping that in mind, “supposed” words by Hillary or her office will not in any way influence our commitment to not vote for an imposed unqualified leftist and fascist candidate!
If you can’t get in, just go up to the paragraph and click “here”…..I got in right away!
#90 Firebelle Puma
Nicely said.
Hey gang:
I didn’t mean to bring so much attention to myself. I can hardly keep up with your replies.
I simple read some news, shared it with PUMA and then wanted to give a little commentary.
Forgive me if I stepped on any sensitive toes that walk for Hillary Clinton. Remember, though, I once believed in her. Not so sure now.
I will back off now and relax to the different and more brilliant commentary by my fellow pumas.
mp#93 — lady in pantsuits — ha ha!
#98 maxgrader on 07.23.08 at 8:26 pm
[[I won’t allow my money to be used for some scheme.]]
Okay, I didn’t make it outside yet.
If you have concerns about where your money is going, donate instead to one of the causes Hillary supports.
The obscene amounts of money that were spent during the primaries did nothing to address all the problems the candidates care about. If there’s something you’re passionate about, donate to that in Hillary’s name. That’s what I did. I donated to the Red Cross disaster relief fund in her name, because I hate seeing how much people are suffering as a consequence of both natural and manmade disasters.
#103 murphy… Jesus Christ! God help Us! That is what I have been saying to all of my friends… These people are mental.
#103 murphy
Moooo!
LOL
#103 murphy
My, someone is grumpy today. Maybe some anger management is in order.
Send him the song “I Feel Pretty”.
Why is the radio asking me for a login
#107 maxgrader
Keep the faith my friend. Keep the faith.
my paw toes are just fine. no worries.
#107 maxgrader
Everyone has the right to have doubts. Some days I feel so down and depressed by all the BS in the news that I loose all hope for a better future. But then, miracously, something happens that brings me right back up. So, I take all this on a day to day basis. I do feel justice will prevail one way or another for all of us.
Hillary Clinton will get blamed for an Obama loss. That is the plain and simple truth.
Obama will never get the blame for anything. He is the one that recklessly divided the democrats with the dirty and hateful campaign tactics- he was presented as running the positive campaign/ she, the negative one.
She is the one being blamed as a spoiler for Obama, and as the divisive one for continueing her primary run. Although she has the right to take it to the convention. But this year all the rules are different.
She has to publicly advocate party unity and disavow any movement that might damage the party chances in NOV. I do not take it to heart. Her back is against the wall. But she is NEVER going to TELL people how they must vote… like Obama and his supporters are doing.
I blogged that concept- that HRC people have shown that they are not swayed by endorsements nor the media- on the Cafferty blog, but have not gone back to see it that was one of my posted comments. The Obama people seem to think she can say: vote for Obama and we will OBEY. But they are the ones easily swayed, not Hillary’s people.
I do not think the Obama followers recognize that propaganda and creating perceptions is not the same as truth. Us older folks know propaganda.
#95 Capt Jack
Very good point. It takes money to run ads, put up billboards, maintain a site, PRODUCE A DOCUMENTARY and get PUMAS to Denver.
Belly up to the BAR tonight folks. What little money I have is going to PUMA PAC.
#107 maxgrader on 07.23.08 at 8:32 pm
I appreciate your passion and respect your opinions on the matter.
For me it’s not really about HC anymore. It’s DNC, party leaders et al that need to learn a lesson.
I continue to believe that BO must be stopped and will fight for my party back. Even after this year’s election.
I also, believe that Hillary will be punished if she doesn’t seem like a player. It will impact her legislation ability and political future not to mention those pols that have undying support for her.
Now… the polls looked good today, huh?
I did my daily prowl!
And yes, I got my PUMA T-shirt, they are becoming.
though silly me I asked for medium size and it fits like a wet t-shirt contest. I guess I have to loos weight or order a bigger size…:(
#60 maxgrader I totally understand what you are saying but i do have to believe along with the others these are things they are making her do/say . Just like the other day they made her (those words were not used but we know the truth) made her denounce that woman who is only out to support her friend. OMG I can not remember her name but we talked about it all day the other day. Now do you think Hillary would have done so unless she was pressured to do so. I don’t believe it for a moment. I knew this was coming the day we would get this big and she would have to have someone from her campaign and come out and denounce us also.
#95 CaptJack
I agree. I personally have donated several times and am currently on a monthly donation. For me having the money automatically withdrawn every month is easier. However, since I recall you are fairly new to this blog. I will be making a donation in your honor momentarily. Welcome CaptJack.
Maxgrader Of course, when asked, Hillary has to distance herself from Puma. We have all decided NOT to vote Democratic if BO is the nominee. She must appear loyal to the party. Politics ain’t beanbag. I think she has a plan and yes it involves games and strategy. Most of her supporters are beyond pure idealism and understand this.
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I don’t know the protocol and do not want to offend.
Senator Clinton’s debt is paid.
So obviously I am missing something. There is clearly no concerted effort to contribute here.
Murphy I am trying to order a t-shirt but when the order page comes up and my credit card is accepted,it doesn’t show the size ,color,mens or womans. was just wondering if, when you choose the color and size before you click to order, does it automatically order what ya picked out? Gosh I hope this doesn,t sound dumb
Reparations to people of color, excuse me..
Drac and Wizard
If you’re reading the blog, you both have mail
I am confused
Did I say something wrong?
captjack, Hillary’s debt is not paid. We are still trying to figure out how much money was raised in July. The only totals are the ones from June, and Hillary lent her campaign yet another million dollars to help pay off vendors. We won’t know July’s totals until August.
#128 – No you didn’t say anything wrong!!!! You have a good point. We need money to do what PUMAs need to do. I’m glad you are here with us.
Murphy- this is really insignificant but — I ordered an x-large T-shirt and today got a small in the mail. I am willing to order another one that will fit me but don’t want to receive another small. Help!
I am anxious to wear the T-shirt but me in a small is really obscene.
#97 msebest:
“We have a tyranical candidate who is running and controlling the show.”
very well put…
can we stop that?
#107 maxgrader. I am not “brilliant”. In fact, I am relatively average. In fact, I am a 53 year old dreamer.
I dream of no more war.
I dream that I won’t see hunger and homelessness in one of the richest countries in the world.
I dream that jobs will return to America, again.
I dream of affordable healthcare.
I dream of people who have worked hard for 50 and 60 years of their lives are treated as if they matter.
I dream of all those people losing their homes will have a miracle – that their dreams won’t be shattered at the prime of their life.
I dream that all of the children in America have an education worth something to their future.
I dream that we will not forget the elderly.
I dream that family vacations are a joy and not a disappointment.
I dream that America sees the needs of all Americans and not just those of color, wealth, ambition.
I dream of people going for quality medical care and not being treated as if they are a burden on the system and feeling ashamed that they need help from their fellow human beings.
I dream that our government is by the people and for the people.
I dream that foreign countries will have some respect for us again.
I dream that trillions of dollars of debt will be overcome.
I dream that the young people voting for “hope and change” will wake up and realize that you can’t believe in a man’s words if his past accomplishments do not reflect those words.
I am not very intelligent, highly educated, or even a highly performing member of our society, today.
I am a dreamer.
I listened to the Andy Shaw interview of Kevin Conlon at:
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6282893
Please correct me if I am wrong:
First, I did not hear Kevin Conlon said those words about “Hillary not wanting a fight at the convention”, Shaw “quoted it” in his article by himself.
Secondly, the way I see it, Kevin Conlon was speaking for himself and he has no authority to speak for Hillary, as he is not Hillary’s official spokesperson.
Regarding the statement” We oppose any effort that doesn’t support a Democratic victory in the fall, including Puma”.
I really have no problem with that, because Puma does support a Democratic victory just that the candidate has to be Hillary that’s all.
#131 pamawo
Murphy is on a radio show. Please email her – she’ll take care of it.
captjack Hillary’s debt is NOT cleared. I believe there has been much misinformation and confusion.
I was at the home of a major Hillraiser last week who is plugged into her campaign. They are puzzled by all the numbers being tossed about. There is still alot of debt.
We are doing a good job, but need to keep donating what we can.
Glenn Beck going off on the DNC over their use of city gas for their own use.
murphy–how do I email you privately??
As many have said here Hillary has to do what Hilary has to do to stay active in the democratic party. If she did not oppose Puma she would have to leave the party and this would ruin her chances of staying in the senate and running again in 2012…if she does not get the nomination this year.
#133 wontbackdown:
But you’re not the only one. So continue to IMAGINE.
Anyone else watching the story about the DNC gas scandal in Denver? Apparently the DNC has gotten away with not paying the gas tax because of who they are and it basically translates to more than $10,000.00 free gas.
It’s on Glenn Beck right now andboy, is he frosted!!!
107maxgrader
Hillary Clinton could never become a carbon copy of Obama.
133won’tbackdown
we need dreamers, we always have needed them.
jenni — murphy@pumapac.org
that’s a private email.
pamawo — email me — I’ll send you an x-large!
that was funny, btw.
jdona and doria
I thought it was paid. But tens of millions of dollars were raised in the last few weeks.
Is this site raising money like that? Maybe this site does not need it.
IMAGINE… the day the DNC is ousted.
IMAGINE the demise of the Democratic party.
IMAGINE a better cause to true democracy.
Murphy…you are amazing…a great multi-tasker..blogging on here and doing the radio show at the same time…I am impressed!!
Jenniforhillary
Murphy@pumapac.org
Hey pumapounder , this cow is 38 year old 102lb female, go lurk elsewhere and spew your nonsense. I am now and will always be against Obama. I am against Obama not because of Clinton, but because of obama. The ugh, ums and uhs are enough for me, it’s one thing to deliver a well written speech, it’s another altogether to stumble and bumble through a simple question. He is an unqualified individual regardless of race or gender. When hope and change become policies let me know, until then good luck to you and the rest of this country!
Hey PUMAPounder,
Pound sand.
Murph – you have an AWESOME accent. ROFLMAO
barbnobo — also folding laundry!
just kidding!
I am checking email though . . .
#140 maxgrader… it is one of those days, Max, that I have no business being on the blog.
My lenses are fogged and things do not look as good as I would like them to, right now.
Sometimes the cruelty (in a cow or a blog post on cnn) just gets to me.
I need to go work on that. Get my attitude adjusted.
It will all work out.
Goodnight everyone.
388 Maryland Puma
from the previous thread
what can I say Maryland Puma, I read that letter you wrote twice, saved it and distributed it.
Brilliant is a word that doesn’t come close to describing it.
Thank you.
#145 captjack, jdona and doria
This website NEEDS your financial support. We raised a little over 22K in a month.
The buses are 8-12K EACH.
The ads run $1,500 to 10,000 EACH.
Billboards run $1,500 to 5,000.
We have other FANTASTIC ideas but need funds. None of us have a million dollar salary and PUMA PAC does not have big donors.
The Denver Group is doing well because their SOLE focus for funds is ADS and the CONVENTION.
Belly up to the BAR!
FYI – MURPHY, MAMAPUMA, and I are volunteers. We are not paid.
CaptJack – This site does need money. There was a discussion about whether we should pay down Hillary’s debt or send the money to PUMA. Then a report came out that unless Hillary paid down her debt the DNC wouldn’t let her name be on the ballet. I think that is when people started sending her money. Also, OB’s donors weren’t helping Hillary so many people wanted to pay down her debt so that we wouldn’t be beholding to them. As I recall.
ANY PUMAS are free to use distribute and edit my letter to HRC.
ALL of my letters are my gift to PUMA PAC and to each of you.
Thank you for the compliments.
#152
Murphy is it real or is it memorex?
I have been reading this site since it first came up.
I would like to go to Denver.
Is Pumapac paying the way for PUMAs to go to Denver. I would need transportation and a place to stay?
Okay, I was going to totally ignore this pumapounder but since michelle47 has commented and since Murphy posted it, I can’t help myself.
Murphy wrote:
Some joker named pumapounder has been desperately trying to get in to our forum. I kinda feel bad for the guy. He seems so desperate.
{Actually he seems delusional}
So, here’s one of his comments — he’s a wonderful manifestation of the Obama Movement.
“You cows
{uh, uh, uh, that is sexist}
need to get on board or take the risk of being left behind.
{See, being “left behind” implies that others (presumably the Democratic party) are going somewhere, but they are not}
This is a chance to not just win in November but to completely destroy the Facist bastards on the right.
{As opposed to the crazy elite bastards on the left}
We don’t need checks and balances
{Funny, the Founding Fathers thought they were pretty important}
with these rednecks who should (and might be) jailed,
{never going to happen}
we need to make the decisions that will…
Finally rid us of guns,
{Ever hear of the Second Amendment? The Supreme Court just ruled on it, check it out}
No restrictions to womens right to choose,
Universal health care,
{Hillary’s project, started 15 years ago at least}
etc., etc., etc.
I can’t go on anymore, but you get the picture.
captjack There is about 23 million in Hillary’s GE fund that must be returned if she is not the nominee, or reallocated to her future campaign with permission of the donors.
I think the 6-10 million figure we heard about from our July efforts just seems incredible! Everyone has their sources, and I don’t think there was an intent to mislead. But this illusion may have stopped many from giving. And that harms Hillary.
I would love to be wrong about this.
BEARS REPEATING
By the way:
Welcome to all the new members I see here tonight.
Welcome back to the seasoned members.
I am proud to be a part of this team and this movement.
I would like to send a HUGE HUGE thank you to TrishfromCanada and her research team for the stellar job they are doing. You all inspire the best in me for your selfless dedication.
Another HUGE HUGE thank you to ‘Editor PUMA’ (not her screen name, she doesn’t blog but lurks, and that is my nickname for her to protect her identity). This behind the scenes PUMA is incredibly active with the media – ALL media – in promoting our cause. Each day I get at least three to four letters in which she takes reporters and editors to task for specific instances of bias and misrepresentation in their reporting. You are amazing Editor PUMA – your ripples in the pond are becoming waves. Can’t wait for the storm.
Murphy and MamaPUMA – you two humble me. You are steadfast, balanced, and focused. Thank you for allowing me to assist you in this worthy endeavor and for making me a part of your ‘family.’
Maryland PUMA
wontbackdown:
Goodnight, my friend. And sweet dreams.
Maryland Puma
Just dropping in to tell you what an amazing read your letter was.
Should be published and definitely posted throughout the coalition.
You said it all.
Murphy, I have never been afforded an opportunity to play with a troll….Let me at him. Wow ,funny but the pounders silly little post got me all jacked up, I know that is not what we stand for, but man oh man that would have been fun.
On Pumapounder -
Where does Obama find these people? Why are all these people rude and uniformed? Is that a requirement?
Repost from downstairs (left behind again). Stairs are hard to climb.
Here’s my answer to Hillary (what matters most):
In 3 “words”: Hillary 44th POTUS
How can ANYONE believe that BO stands for Democracy? His words and actions daily betray the principles upon which our country was founded.
How can you ask me to willingly participate in the destruction of our country and of our way of life? Are you aware that US citizens lose freedoms with each passing day under his iron fisted campaign?
BO has set our country back decades in race relations and women’s rights.
We yell, yet our words fall on deaf ears.
We vote, yet our votes are overturned.
We speak, yet we are labeled as traitors, threatened, accosted, and called vile names.
I will not willingly assist in the installation of this dictator as POTUS. I choose country before Party.
You said you would fight for me. I now call upon you to honor your promise to me.
This is what matters to me most. Everything else pales in comparison.
NObama, NOVP, NOUnity
#103 Murphy – at least he realizes that there is a problem with our democracy. He just doesn’t realize he is part of that problem i.e. the party that has thrown democracy out the window.
Ya Murphy – wanna let me know about the Conference!?
Check your email – or have I been fired?
MSBINMD
Thank you!
With all his ugh, ums and uhs, can ya just imagine how many days it would take him to do a state of the union address?
Regarding Murphy’s troll:
Well now. That’s one vile little troll.
Guess it looked at the ‘nice’ pics at the top of the page downstairs when it referred to us as cows.
And the statement about no need for ‘checks and balances’ betrays something here. I’m thinking ‘civilian national security guard’ against unarmed citizens.
Guess it thinks it’s immune to being thrown under the bus. Wish it had an original thought.
I don’t get it.
23,000.000
22,000
This site has a lot of zeros missing.
I read over and over about everyone telling that they had just contributed to Senator Clinton’s debt. I have not read once here in the last week that anyone contributed to this site.
I love what Murphy posted this morning regarding Women Count PAC. And it is good that they are going to these BS platform meetings, some people have to participate in these token gestures from the BOites before they realize what a bunch of BS it is.
The Boites first efforts to attract women voters were manipulative and insulting, Threats about reproductive rights, Michelle’s make over and “View” appearances (all the women I know work, paid or not, when “View” is on). And then NOWs ridiculous attempt to substitute MO as the preferred victim of sexism which I guess is because the dumb asses think we PUMAs need to have a sexism victim to talk about instead of the reality of we don’t want any sexism victims. Today I was listening to KUOW, PBS radio and of course every story relates back to BO and his incredible wonderfulness. They had a woman from NOW talking supposedly about why women are leaving the workforce which amazingly turned into “BO voted for an equal pay for women just like Hillary and McCain didn’t show up to vote” story. So I guess this is their next tone deaf attempt to get to women voters. Well after BO and the DNC used sexism to force Hillary out of the race I will not be voting for BO now or ever. I am just as disgusted with old school feminism as I am with the MSM.
maxgrader
Hi! Don’t worry, aside from your post today I’ve seen dozens of PUMA’s w/doubts and worries about “when is Hillary going to make a statement,” etc.
I believe she could make a statement at any time – maybe even next weekend – but she won’t do it until she feels safe about doing it. She does NOT want to appear to be a party divider. She NEEDS the support of the DNC when she blows O out of the water at Convention. She MUST do what she must do, for now.
MEDIA
asian4Hillary
Re- ALL your comments about:
Olbermann…CNN..msnbc…Cronkite (were your ears burning about Cronkite? I Just mentioned his name to a coworker), you are SO right. Several have posted about disbelieving msm. You’re exactly right.
Q – Good example just this afternoon, anyone else notice how _Quickly_ CNN buried the story on PUMA?
For those who missed the link this morning, here’s the link again, which now requires a search!
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/23/preston.puma/
mp — u have mail
Daily growl complete!
yay! bruce5555!
#173 captjack
Many automatically have a $ amount deducted each month for the site. Also we have a bus to denver fund going that pumas are donating to. Finally, we have had concentrated fund drives in the past.
Loved the entry from the little Obamabot….
“We will be completely unopposed to right the evils of this piece of S*** we call a democracy and you horses asses are going to f***ing ruin it.”
He thinks the United States is (quoting him/her/it..) “this piece of S*** we call a democracy” and the way to fix that problem is to turn it into a fascist state. He’s not against fascism. He’s just against any opposition to his/her/its ideas. What do you expect? He’s an Obamabot. They don’t like democracy. They prefer totalitarianism. As long as they’re the ones with the control and someone a rock star type idol is telling them what to do. They’re suckers for idol-worship and mindless thinking. Lazy is what I call it. Intellectually, morally, spiritually bankrupt. Just like their leader.
Listening to the blog radio and really enjoying it.
The Denver Group, trying to ensure a fair convention in Denver, has made the New York Times:
The Denver Group, founded by two political novices who have been frustrated with the treatment of Mrs. Clinton since February, ran full-page ads on Wednesday and two weeks ago in The Chicago Tribune and Congressional Quarterly calling for Mrs. Clinton to be placed “in nomination” in Denver. They contend that because neither candidate has enough elected delegates to claim the nomination, Democratic Party rules stipulate that a binding roll-call vote of the superdelegates must be conducted to break the tie.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/clinton-supporters-try-one-more-tack/
“Civilian national security guard” That’s a fancy shamcy term for Private Contractors paid for by our national security tax dollars. Those “its” don’t like that word. But those “its” don’t understand that those are the words being spoken.
#172 captjack
PUMA PAC has raised a little over 22K for PUMA PAC activities since June 3.
PUMA PAC also did a fund drive for HRC’s debt. Estimates of that are 6 – 10M.
Murphy handles donations to the site and allocations to the projects based on member requests.
#171 mountainsong, probably a week or two, honestly I have never heard anything like it. It really is a blessing for him that he has speech writers.
Just contributed to Puma Pac!!
By the way, it’s interesting that Pumapounder talked about reparations for AAs. I’m sure that is a cause for Reverends Wright, Phlegler, et. al. Has BO ever been asked about this?
#172 CaptJack
The HRC fund drive – all payments were made DIRECTLY to HRC, not through the PAC.
“Civilian national security guard” sounds like a domestic version of Blackwater. Except, this one would be working for no pay. Just blessings from their lord and savior….”Walking Eagle.” (the bird that’s so full of sh*t it can’t fly).
gay gal #183 — that scares the HELL out of me. I mean, will their uniforms be brown?
I think there is a poltergeist on my screen. Is anyone else seeing my post????
I am sad because I do not have the time to blog with you PUMA pac. And I am happy because I read about PUMA pac today on the CNN website!
We should have a membership DRIVE before August 1st.
For those who want a peek into the dungeon, here’s more from pumapounder:
“Are you people here serious? All of you are talking about voting for Sen Inane? This really does prove that there are racists in the Democratic Party too. That’s the only explaination why you’d actually vote for a freaking baby-killer. He bombed civillians. He should still be in a bamboo cage.”
i’m not ready to make nice
i’m not ready to back down
cause i’m mad as hell
and i don’t have time to go
round and round and round
#166Stardust: Yes, it is a requirement. Every rising fascist dictator in history always required and got ignorance to follow. There is a stunning correlation that is consistent between the horrific degraded language used by Obamarons on sites everywhere and the adamancy of their positions. Ignorance demands no nuance, no idea beyond the immediate, and absolutely no consideration that anyone else may know more than the ignorant one.
#119 Bellecat,
LOL about the wet t-shirt contest…….LOL
#190 MuchAdo-I can see your post.
189 Murphy — they’ll be brown and the “it’s’ won’t even know what that color means.
You got to wonder about the mental stability of someone that would come up with that Obamabot posting……Sounds like it’s going to take more than a Democratic victory by Barack Obama to fix whatever’s screwed up in that individual’s head.
#196 webfoot – thank goodness. I thought I was talking to myself. You know what they say about that.
Murphy
Ask him if he is serious…i truly hope this person doesn’t treat iraq vets with the same disrespect they use on vietnam vets! sad
If I were Obama and I had supporters like these, I think I’d cry.
Maryland Puma
I think you wrote that PUMA PAC did a fund drive for Hillary’s debt. Estimates of that are 6 – 10M.
So does that mean that we have $6,000,000
#174 Seattlegirl~~Bellingham Girl (me) agrees with you.
#188 BrooklynNY~~~LMAO @ “Walking Eagle”
This was a comment at noquarter.
Obama is the worst democratic candidate in my lifetime and that’s more years than I want to admit to.
If elected (God forbid) he will be the worst president in history.
This is from a USAF friend in Afghanistan:
Hello everyone,
As you know I am not a very political person. I just wanted to pass along that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to ‘ The War Zone’. I wanted to share with you what happened.
He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram.
As the Soldiers where lined up to shake his hand, he blew them off and didn’t say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General. As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.
So really he was just here to make a showing for the Americans back home that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.
I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States . I just don’t understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-and-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.
If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of person he really is. What you see in the news is all fake.
In service,
CPT J
Bagram, Afghanistan
mp — check your mail!
LOGAN ACT: FYI
The Logan Act has remained almost unchanged and unused since its passage. The act is short and reads as follows:
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
C’mon Puma Pals. Consider a trip to Washington August 8-10 for the Puma Convention. 5 Star Hotel. $250 all included. Fabulous deal. Let’s meet and greet!
http://www.pumaconference08.com/
#204 pamawo
Great post, from someone who was there. Can we have permission to spread this around?
#204 – that is sad. I am speechless. I don’t know what to say!
This is really sad, we all know how Obama is….it would be a very sad day for the US if this man was elected. God Bless our Troops!!
Daily prowl complete
Great radio show guy and gals!!!
#200 queen81,
Many of the *61 people are a real cult. They see nothing, they hear nothing outside of what their ‘master’ says, don’t think for themselves and get REALLY mad and TOTALLY loose control when you want to make them see reality. Many of them have allowed their love affair with BO to distroy their close relationships with other people. They really believe no name is the second coming of Jesus Christ! What’s gonna happen on Nov 4 when they realize HE LOST and he is only human? Boy, shrinks will have a lot patients coming their way I guess….
Pumapounder said:
We will be completely unopposed to right the evils of this piece of S*** we call a democracy and you horses asses are going to f***ing ruin it.”__________________________________________
Hope so.
#206 Virgina — I heard some Mr. Mand Media Joe bring up the Logan Act about Carter just a few months ago — mums the word now.
I saw him on TV over the weekend, posing for pics while pretending to mingle among the troops. One young female soldier was standing next to him, about to talk to him, but as soon as the cameras got into the picture, he blew her off, smiled for the camera and walked away. She was standing there. It was not a comfortable picture. I felt really bad for her. He just used her and all the other soldiers. There is no limit to that man’s narcissistic obsession with himself and his meglomania.
#202 PurpleShamrock
That means that PUMA and the JSND coalition members paid approx $6 – 10M directly to HRC’s debt fund through individual donations.
PUMA PAC did not collect or bundle the money. We have no idea how many of our members donated or how much.
I thought we were just a bunch of angry women and we don’t amount to much in the grand scheme of things. For a bunch of nobodys we sure did get under pumapouncers skin, he is essentially saying we are going to lose the election for Nobama. How will I ever sleep tonight!
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/clinton-supporters-try-one-more-tack/
Anyway to let the powers that has been that we will be thouroughly inspecting all nov election results. I envision the pelosi/dean/brazille coup cooking up something. how do we say we are watching and we will hold you accountable.
#214 virginia.puma on 07.23.08 at 10:07 pm
LOL. Yeah, that is the idea, isn’t it.
Looks like we’re succeeding too.
(I wonder what argument he’s going to use with all those people who are not inclined to vote Democratic. Last time I checked there actually were 2 major parties in this country. Don’t think his ideas are going to go over too well with all those other Americans. Hmmm….He may have to rethink that strategy. Hope it doesn’t make his brain blow out.
If we don’t succeed at anything else except Obama losing the election. We will have successed!!!
Now, I have heard it all! This on the Rocky Mountain News:
Sound waves, goo guns won’t be used on DNC protesters
“They will not include non-lethal weapons that use “slime” or “goo” to immobilize protesters or that use microwaves or sonic waves to induce pain or other discomfort. Some convention watchers had alleged that the city might purchase a weapon that would cause people to defecate.”
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jul/23/denver-wont-use-sound-wave-or-goo-weapons-conventi/
#222 AMEN!
Talking about anger….I’ve never seen such a group of angry, hateful people in my life. You gotta feel so sorry for them. I’d hate to be going around life carrying all that anger and negativity with me. No wonder they’re such a sorry lot. Must be disciples of Rev. Wright, Mr. Happy.
#222
amen
Guess that bullet proof vehicle was NOT one of the ill-equipped hummers that the government wouldn’t pay to have upgraded for the safety of our honored troops.
#103 RIGHT ON MURPHY RIGHT ON – Keep them at bay.
LOL
220 Henry
I am going to sign up to be an election official so that I can keep an eye out.
NBC rewarded for their shilling. Price: 5 million
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/nbc-ge-make-5-million-of-obama/
#223 Amarissa,
“Some convention watchers had alleged that the city might purchase a weapon that would cause people to defecate.”
——————————————–
Wow, they better not do this. It may back fire in the worse way. LOL
Listen to this pumas.
I was at dinner in Dallas tonight with some seriously hard core Republicans at “The Keg” great food!!
They of course will all vote for JM, however, they said if Hillary was the opposition they would NOT be upset if she won….that said they all vehemently oppose Obama & would hate it if he won. I think a couple of the women would secretly vote for Hillary behind the husbands back….luckily my MR of 37 years is Hillary all the way. I hope we can get her as the nominee…some how some way…..if not she is a shoe in for 2012.
Keep The Faith..see you in Denver!!
You know,….the more I hear all these anecdotal stories from real people, rather than the b.s in the press, etc., the more unlikely I think it is that BO is going to win this election. In all honesty, do you actually think the majority of Americans actually like this guy? Could stand to see him in our faces for the next 4 years? Don’t see right through him? Aren’t nauseated by his narcissism and self-centeredness? I really don’t think most people can stand him. The “silent majority” may be silent, but they’re not stupid.
Pumas just found this:Michelle O spoke before a crowd of 150 in Denver on WED. at $1000 to$10,000 a piece for a fundraiser. More controversity arose when she said quote:I wish we had time to be divided,I wish we had time to be upset,to be angry,to be dissapointed,I wish we did.Because if we had time for that, then things wouldn’t be so bad right now.Were in a place where another 4to8 years of this world as it is will DEVASTATE the life of some CHILD.
The media states that her claim is that Obama is going to save the worlds children if Elected.
SHE HAS ENORMOUS ARROGANCE!!!
Also finished the prowl had to wait untill my son came home to help. I’m still a beginner on this computer.
Also murphy I want to order a T-shirt but the size and color will not come up
see ya later
#223 Amarissa…OMG..I have to go to Denver now just to see this!!!
#229 goandersen ..How do I sign up???
231 Amarrissa
I hope they have enough port-a-potties!
Depends
235 BarbNOBO
just google your state elections office.
I think it is imperative that PUMAs impress on the DNC that this movement is not a fluke, and that we will not just go away after this election. They need to know that their actions now, have and will continue to have reverberations throughout the Party. We need to state that our alliengence to fair reflexion and every vote counts will be an ongoing endeavor. They will never been able to count on us again. Never again.
go anderson
but I think we need to let them know now that we are going to be keeping a very close eye on the election.
Is it possible to check in advance if fake names, deceased are voting. How do we make it clear that they will not steal this election?
Groups’ scare tactics on Internet worry Denver police
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jul/23/groups-scare-tactics-internet-worry-denver-police/
#223 Amarissa — well when they drag us off to the other chicken wire coops, I hope the shi* gets all over them.
#236 goandersen
I am laughing so hard it hurts! Thanks, I needed it!
Good night, all!
I leave you with an uplifting thought.
Let’s focus on electing Sen. Hillary R. Clinton as President of the United States of America this Nov. 2008.
Let’s ignore anything that has to do with BO, all the news media and all the negativity against us.
We are PUMAS and are supporting the winner Hillary Clinton. Go Pumas Go!!!!!!!
#234 tillerylakelady
WOW. I can’t conceive of anyone who in their right mind wishes for those things. What’s WRONG with her?
Negative negative negative.
Things aren’t nearly as bad as they will be if BO is elected.
#204 pamawo
Thanks for posting that story. I hope it gets wide circulation.
#242 gay gal
Your comments are killing me! I can picture them! LOL!
#242 gay gal
LOL
My posts keep disappearing when I try to post. I keep getting a # 500 Error – server problems.
And it’s starting to thunder her, so I’m signing off.
Goodnight all. Roar on.
Murphy, can you explain why some of us keep getting an error message saying that we’re trying to post too quickly? I’m getting it every time I try to post something today.
#217 Maryland PUMA
I don’t know what you mean by bundle the money.
How much of the $6,000,000 does this site get to use?
IMO, Denver is planning to pen up the wrong group.
Passionate but peaceful demonstrators on one hand (PUMA), violent rioters on the other (BOTS). Hmmm, which one to pen up? Such a hard decision
#234…MO needs a reality check. The ability to listen, I mean, really listen is a gift. BO and MO are not listening to what the voters are telling them. The world does need help, and what it needs is a leader that will LISTEN and RESPOND. That is one of the things I saw in Hillary. She sat down with people and listened to what they had to say. No arrogance, but a commitment to listen and address the issues.
henry on 07.23.08 at 10:24 pm
go anderson
but I think we need to let them know now that we are going to be keeping a very close eye on the election.
Is it possible to check in advance if fake names, deceased are voting. How do we make it clear that they will not steal this election?
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all the election offices in every county should be notified of the fraud that went on in LA. I think it is a good puma growl.
Those Obama groups are really scary!! They are totally radical .
Trish you have mail.
NYT Good story on “The Denver Group”!
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/clinton-supporters-try-one-more-tack/
Easy post. Form at the bottom. Only asks screen name and email. 25 posts so far.
Pretty good story about Marc and Heidi and The Denver Group.
In a post on her personal blog, Professor Feldman compares being on
the ballot to throwing the ceremonial first pitch at a baseball game,
while being placed in nomination is akin to being added to the team
roster. The group is considering running advertisements to explain the
distinction.
What is clear is that some of Mrs. Clinton’s supporters are not ready
to give up the fight. The Denver Group, established in late June, has
already collected approximately $30,000, and hopes to at least double
that and buy time on CNN. Its success reflects a lingering sense among
some Democrats that party leaders are trying to block Mrs. Clinton
from the nomination.
“I don’t know which way it’ll go and neither does he,” said Professor
Feldman of Mr. Dean. “If he knew, he would just allow it to happen.”
Mr. Rubin admits that a Clinton victory in convention balloting would
be a long shot — at least 175 superdelegates would have to reverse
their public positions — but “the potential is there.”
Other links on the same page for easy commenting:
The Caucus Front-Runners
* A McCain Iraq Chronology in Question (106 comments)
* Obama’s High-Powered Ride to the Airport (97 comments)
* The Candidates, Comically Drawn (23 comments)
* Grassley Has No Convention Vote (11 comments)
* Defining a First Lady’s Public Image (141 comments)
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Amarissa, I can’t stop laughing, that is a riot. What will they do to try to deter protesters? Will they put out an ad that says if you are coming to Denver plan on shitting your pants!
#251 PurpleShamrock
Now I am completely confused.
If Pumapac has $6,000,000 then I was wrong.
#251 Purple Shamrock (love the name)
ZERO is available to PUMA PAC. Bundling means an organization collects from members and sends one check.
The HRC fund drive was to encourage individual PUMAs to contribute to retire her debt.
PUMA PAC is always accepting donations toward our projects.
We’re hoping for some anonymous large $ donors or that someone will pop in with a high dollar match so we can get these PUMA PAC projects rolling.
And I forgot to include the Documentary in those projects and costs.
#251 PurpleShamrock
I think you are confused about the debt payoff. I was just lurking but saw that you weren’t getting your question answered so I hope you don’t mind if I answer it for you.
The puma pac did not raise the money for Hillary through the site. Everyone donated through Hillary’s site individually.
Also the total that Will Bowers is talking about is from all of the Pro Hillary sites under Just Say No Deal not just pumapac.
I hope I explained it well enough.
LMAO Now why would they want a pack of people around that have shit their pants???? Especially in this heat!!!
Maybe after you shit your pants…they will then hose you down????
#260 Maryland PUMA
I want to go to Denver.
If pumapac didn’t get any of the money then how does it help us.
Capt Jack hmmmmmm.
Sorry Marylandpuma. I didn’t mean to answer the question for you. I thought you were offline.
#258 Michelle
Yep, the ads will be printed on toilet paper or corn husks for us hicks.
#239..Virginia.puma…You may be hitting on another prowl. The DNC is not listening to what this movement really is. Murphy has articulated what PUMA is all about and wht we exist. If the DNC were to really read this, they just might get that this is not a fad that will go away.
#192 murphyI think pumapounder is really MO
262 hillaryistheone
LOLOL!!!
Hillaryistheone, That would give new meaning to the phrase…Get out the waders the shit is getting deep!
269 TrishfromCanada
LOL! murphy, did you feel someone tap your shoulder?
LOL TrishfromCanada…pumapounder sounds just like her!!!
Sorry everyone, I am a bit in the dark, but from what I read, there’s some things being said that Hillary is against PUMA and has said so. Until I hear it from her, forget it. Some TX delegate for Obama doesn’t cut it for me. Psychological warfare is what that is. If Senator Clinton wanted to get the message out , and didn’t want to do it herself, she would send her husband. Can anyone really imagine that Bill would go along with that. He wouldn’t. He was so slick when the reporters questioned him a week or so ago about his campaigning for O. He knows what he is doing and so does he. Remember what she said the night of the MT/SD primary – - when O dragged his sorry behind across the finish lines, she said…I won’t do anything tonight, and I want my supporters RESPECTED.
Post something positve please:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/clinton-supporters-try-one-more-tack/#comment-1240034
#263 hillaryistheone
“Puma. Put the bot down and step away from the hose”!
258 michelle47 on 07.23.08 at 10:33 pm Amarissa, I can’t stop laughing, that is a riot. What will they do to try to deter protesters? Will they put out an ad that says if you are coming to Denver plan on shitting your pants!
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Looks like everyone better stock up on Depends.
#271 michelle47..Good one..and maybe in Denver the shit will finally hit the fan….
#204- Thanks for posting the word from the troops. My son has done two tours in Iraq- believe me when I tell you- if the troops get no thanks from the AMERICAN politicians- they get plenty of thanks from the Iraqi people.
My son said the saddest thing he encountered over there was the ignorance. Some Iraqi’s believed there were two pipelines for oil out of Iraq- one to Israel and one to the U.S. They had no education, no understanding of geography- hence no idea that there is no way to run a pipeline to America.
I love hearing from the troops- nothing like a GI to tell it the way it is!
Shame on Obama- using our military men and women the same way he used the African American community- for photo ops and to get to his ultimate goal. SHAME!
#266 Texas Sherry
Help is ALWAYS welcome.
If this post gets eaten it will be the fourth time I have typed it! GRRR. I lose every other post due to the 500 errors so it looks like I’m taking a while.
I’m here, just frustrated!
I think I burned out my circuits riding the rollercoaster of emotion writing the letters today.
Yay! I finally got to do the Prowl, write HRC, and that fool Wineke.
I guess Denver will be known after the convention as “shit city”!!
#265 Wizard
Capt Jack hmmmmmm.
What does that mean
Did I say something wrong
I don’t know what “Capt Jack hmmmmmm” means
#265 Wizard
hmmmmmmmmm indeed
{{{{{{ ALERT }}}}}}
Calling all northern California PUMAs, goandersen and I are trying to set up a chat. Please let us know if you are on the blog.
262 hillaryistheone
Denver will be knee deep in PUMAPOOP
Middle age female, Have you ever heard such nonsense, now there is a weapon that makes you crap your pants. I really was laughing so hard I couldn’t breathe.
Ok, so who do I get to meet face to face in Denver.
Hold up your paws please.
Thanks to all who tuned in to the show! Thanks to Darragh especially!
—Sheri Tag
#258 michelle47
This news and your comments have made my day! LOL
#280 Maryland PUMA ,
My pleasure if I can help. I really haven’t felt much like blogging the last couple of days. I have been really busy trying to find another way to make a living since my current business is close to dead. I try to at least lurk for a little while each day so I know what is going on and won’t be too far behind when I have time to get active again.
<<<<<<<<<<<<waving paws wildly…I cannot wait to meet pumas & all my Hillary blogging friends!!
#285 ABinNY
Starship – knee deep in the POOPLA
LOL Sorry, probably shouldn’t say the “s” word, but you have to admit that it sure puts images in you head. I will probably dream about that tonight!!!
#287 Maryland PUMA
I’ll be wearing diapers.
#263 hillaryistheone on 07.23.08 at 10:36 pm
[[Maybe after you shit your pants…they will then hose you down????]]
I hope Denver is making adequate preparations for mass decon.
Has anyone seen alohapuma and hillstheone?
I don’t know if this will help the ones who ask but,
There are many Puma sites with different names and they have contributed to Hillary’s debt.
Amarissa, your posting of that link has made mine also, everyone here is a lot of fun…It really is good to blow off steam from time to time…Because this is really serious shit.
#276 andersen — I am still laughing as I type!
#208 BigCatLover
I don’t know the answer to your question
I did a copy and paste from noquarter. This was a comment to the article by hireheels. Although off topic
(article was about Taylor Marsh) I just had to pass it on.
I am going to sent it out to a number of people-if I had my way it would be required reading for everyone.
I don’t know of any reason why we can’t send it, maybe someone here can give a better answer.
(I was told I am posting to quickly, I apologize if this is a repeat. However, it is really good to be told I am too quick at my age!)
maybe someone should give a heads up to fox adverisers about adult diapers or maybe we should all just wear adult diapers and nothing else to the protests
Wizard and Grand PUMA you have mail.
299 gay gal
LOL!
I guess there will be no reason to get shit-faced in Denver!
#301 henry
I am laughing so hard I am crying!!!
I’m not sure if I even understand just what the democratic platform IS anymore. Unless it’s “Elect a Moron” and then “tax and spend America into destitution and oblivion.” IF Hillary bails out at the convention, can you imagine how happy McCain is going to be? And I will work as hard for him as I have for her.
This should get you riled up. Sadly, one of our members reported a similar situation in her family a couple weeks ago.
Taunton, MASS: A 53-year-old wife and mother fatally shot herself soon after faxing a letter to her mortgage company saying that by the time they foreclosed on her house that day, she would be dead. Police in Taunton said Carlene Balderrama used her husband’s high-powered rifle to kill herself Tuesday afternoon, after faxing the letter at 2:30 p.m.
The mortgage company called police, who found Balderrama’s body at 3:30 p.m. in her brown-shingled raised ranch house. The auction was scheduled to start at 5 p.m. and interested buyers arrived at the property in Taunton, about 35 miles south of Boston, while Balderrama’s body was still inside, according to police chief Raymond O’Berg.
Police did not immediately release the name of the mortgage company. O’Berg said Balderrama’s fax read, in part, “By the time you foreclose on my house I’ll be dead.”
O’Berg also said a suicide note found next to Balderrama told her husband, John, and 24-year-old son to “take the (life) insurance money and pay for the house.”
Joe Whitney, who works with Balderrama’s husband, a plumber, said Balderrama handled the bills and her husband didn’t know about the foreclosure.
“John didn’t even know about it, that’s the surprise,” Whitney said told The Boston Globe. “It’s just one of those awful, awful tragic events.”
Neighbors on this forested side street said the family had lived in the two-story, brown-shingled, raised ranch for about four years.
Noreen Mendes, who lived about four houses down the street from Balderrama, said she often stopped and chatted with her. Mendes said Balderrama never mentioned any financial problems, but often spoke about repairs the family was making to their house. Two weeks ago, a contractor came to the house to give Balderrma an estimate on a roof replacement, Mendes said.
“She was just so sweet, so nice. I never realized she had any problems, so it is just shocking,” Mendes said.
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It is truly sad to read about things like this. And Obie is galavanting all over Europe and the Middle East on HER tax money.
Well, there goes the blood pressure.
Ya’ll are in the mood for a Joke!!
Near Fredericksburg, Texas, where there is a large German-speaking population, a farmer walking down a country road notices a man drinking from his pond, with his hand. The Amish man shouts: ‘Trink das wasser nicht. Die kuhen haben dahin gesheissen.’ Which means: ‘Don’t drink the water, the cows have pooped in it.’
The man shouts back: ‘I’m from New York and just down here campaigning for Obama, I can’t understand you. Please speak in English.’
The Amish man says: ‘Use two hands, you’ll get more.’
#287 Maryland — my paws and claws are raised — I will be kidnapping Suef along the way. Or so I say!
TrishfromCanada
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm indeed
What does that mean.
Clearly that is some sort of insider communication that I and any other new person could not understand.
Why don’t you say what you mean?
I am trying to figure out why people who claim to care about this site don’t contribute any money to it. I thought the reason might be that the site doesn’t need it
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Does not tell me anything. And for that matter does not tell anyone else what is going on.
Is there some reason that newcomers like me don’t know why there are not comments about contributing?
#287 Maryland PUMA on 07.23.08 at 10:45 pm
Ok, so who do I get to meet face to face in Denver.
Hold up your paws please.
Paw up
288 taggles1
Thanks to all who tuned in to the show! Thanks to Darragh especially!
Great show!! Thank you!
#204 pamawo
Has anyone sent this HRC?
#307 Maryland PUMA
Sadly Bo will twist that story and say this is why he supports gun control
308 TXPuma
LMAO!
K. Need some info please from computer savy people unlike me. Billie Joe, you are trying to set up a chat for CA’ins. How can I do that for NOVA’s (Northern Virginia)? Do I set up a blog? Is there a way to do a chat otherwise? Just address your response to the stupid one asking computer questions! giggle
PAW RAISED
#313goandersen
Not that I know of- can you tell me how to do this?
Or will you do it?
#262/#263…I once worked with a marketing director many years ago who sent a client a box of Depends the day before a major presentation on a new marketing idea. She said that she sent them because once the client saw what we had come up with, they would just *s*. Maybe we need to send some to some folks who are going to just *s* when they see what PUMAs can do.
PUMA walks into the bar and shouts, “All you Obamabots are a bunch of a**holes.”
Guy at the back of the bar shouts, “I just resent the hell outta that.”
PUMA says, “Why? Are you an Obamabot?”
Guy says, “No, I’m an A**hole.”
TX PUMA
LOL LOL LOL
Captjack, every opening to the thread has a donate button, click it and donate. I don’t understand what you are asking, I have donated to pumapac, many of us have…Feel free to give whatever you can. Welcome to the pack.
#307 Maryland PUMA
Holy Crap! That is just heart wrenching!
Very sad Maryland PUMA!! There are more of those stories than we know!!!
#308TXpuma
Love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who is going to DC convention??
I was thinking about the difference between a Purple Shamrock and a Green one earlier — but I did not say anything.
#308 TXPuma
lol! loooooved it!
318 pamawo on 07.23.08 at 11:00 pm
#313goandersen
Not that I know of- can you tell me how to do this?
Or will you do it?
http://www.hillpac.com/action/issues/?sc=2498&utm_source=2498&utm_medium=e
#327 gay gal
lucky charms, they’re magically delicious
318 pamawo
329
Just paste the letter into the response box.
280 Maryland PUMA
“If this post gets eaten it will be the fourth time I have typed it! GRRR. I lose every other post due to the 500 errors so it looks like I’m taking a while.”
MP, before you hit Sunmit, copy you post just in case webhoset eats it and tells you to slow down.
Thne just paste it when you reurn from the error message. Saves you from finger fatique.
326 virginia.puma on 07.23.08 at 11:02 pm
Who is going to DC convention??
Paw up
#330 TrishfromCanada
EEEEEEEEeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww!!
Maryland PUMA…An all too common story about the tragedies people face day in and day out. Our democratic nominee is not facing or listening to these stories. He only sees his own face in the mirror.
Paws up for me!
#327 gay gal
But do you know the difference?
#310 captjack on 07.23.08 at 10:56 pm
[[I am trying to figure out why people who claim to care about this site don’t contribute any money to it. I thought the reason might be that the site doesn’t need it]]
[[Is there some reason that newcomers like me don’t know why there are not comments about contributing?]]
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Everyone on this site contributes in whatever ways he or she can. Not all of us can afford to contribute financially, but we might volunteer many hours blogging, writing letters and emails, passing out flyers, or doing what (1) we feel comfortable doing or (2) we feel is the best use of our time and talents.
Murphy does have a link toward the top of the page for those who want to contribute. However, if you have questions, don’t hesitate to ask. Someone will be glad to help you.
Obama releases Hitler-like pamphlet. http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/23/seig-heil-seigesaule-obama/
Isn’t it nice? NOBAMA!!! or rather Ich sage nein zu Obama. Now he wants to be the new führer.
His change is more like that Hitler slogan.
#327 gay gal …I heard on the blog radio show that green was thrown under the bus…
#333 BillieJo on 07.23.08 at 11:05 pm
FAB! I’ll be doing day trips, probably metro-ing it. Looking forward to meeting you and everyone else!
I’m sorry, didn’t mean to rain on the parade. Just made me so mad.
I just got a notice from my satellite internet provider (yes, I live in the boonies), that my service may be interrupted due to the hurricane. So if I am not on the blogs at night or answering emails, that’s why. I will have access during the day.
Blame it on Dolly. And not the sheep. Neither am I.
#287 Maryland PUMA
I wish I could go to Denver. However, that’s “hell week” for me … the week before a big conference.
332 DancesWithPumas on 07.23.08 at 11:05 pm
280 Maryland PUMA
“If this post gets eaten it will be the fourth time I have typed it! GRRR. I lose every other post due to the 500 errors so it looks like I’m taking a while.”
MP, before you hit Sunmit, copy you post just in case webhoset eats it and tells you to slow down.
Thne just paste it when you reurn from the error message. Saves you from finger fatique.
Glad to hear I am not the only one with the “slow down” problem and then the submit button just acts dumb and doesn’t do anything. What’s up with that???? Is this the new and improved web host fix for the problems yesterday? If so, maybe we should all pitch in a few bucks and get Murphy a heavy duty site???
#298 michelle47
LOL!
money bomb to kerry’s opponent bet the dnc would hear that
#331goandersen
Thanks, email sent.
i was reading so many links i didn’t realize everyone came upstairs.Guh a blonde moment
goandersen – any luck with the chat roundup?
#348 sandipuma on 07.23.08 at 11:10 pm
i was reading so many links i didn’t realize everyone came upstairs.Guh a blonde moment
x 2 I didn’t know either
#307 Maryland PUMA sad, horrible story it just makes me sick to my stomach and the really sick part is I am sure since this poor woman took her own life her insurance company did not pay them a dime this is how insurance companies work. But again a horrible story, and it breaks your heart it came down to this for this poor woman..
MP you blaming Dolly the Hurricane??? Shame on her but thankfully my friends in SPITX are safe tonight.
goanderson:
I’ve been offline most of the day, just catching up.
Be back after 9:00 & we can try yahoo, I’m on there but need to enter friends ID.
Hope alohapuma is around by then!
Poor Republicans. They are trying so hard to be clever to get their message out while OBIE is overseas. Some dreams just will never come true.
Dragonfly: Thanks for posting this link to talk to Hillary on this afternoon’s post:
http://www.hillpac.com/action/issues/sc=2498&utm_source=2498&utm_medium=e
It was fun sending her my thoughts for her speech at Convention, hee-hee.
#351 slyt2 on 07.23.08 at 11:12 pm
#307 Maryland PUMA sad,
Yes, that is terrible. Poor thing hoped the insurance would save the house for her family but usually doesn’t cover when a person takes their own life.
Middle age female
“Listening to BO speak without his teleprompters is like watching paint dry. My 4yo g/s can put sentences together better than BO.”
- hysterical! ;D
BillieJoe………………finger fatique ??? LMAO…….I’m so tired tonight that I’m a little stupid silly….but was funny..
#337 Purple — Uh, you got me. Purple and Green are opposites on the secondary color wheel??/
#307 Maryland PUMA Sorry for my joke on the heels of your sad story, I just didn’t see it.
#353 hillstheone
get my email from maryland puma, so that we can exchange IM addys
#353 hillstheone on 07.23.08 at 11:13 pm
goanderson:
I’ve been offline most of the day, just catching up.
Be back after 9:00 & we can try yahoo, I’m on there but need to enter friends ID.
Hope alohapuma is around by then!
Okay, hope you guys will pass on your id name to me. I’ll get dinner for the next half hour or so. Check ya on the flip side.
TOPIC: “TUSK” or “Tisk, tisk, Obama”
mamapuma:
Thanks for posting this from a SE PUMA – - – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL1UsxFt4bc
SE PUMA – nice job!
p.s. can you imagine a Puma w/a tusk?! Now that’d be a sight to see…!
Suicide may very well be covered if it can be proven that it was a symptom of a disease, especially if the holder of the policy had sought some form of treatment
363 hillstheone
I think alucard has two!
captjack
Don’t get upset about not getting responses. It is a common lament here – there are sooooo many posters and the conversation happens so fast. It is not a slight in any way. I don’t get much feedback on my comments either nor do others. We just blog away merrily
As for the hmmmmmm
I know that when I say this it is because of some statement that I need to think about and ponder. Not sure how others use this. But it is not a secret ‘word’.
Hope that this helps.
goanderson,
Does Maryland PUMA have my email?
I don’t know if I have hers cause I don’t see that name in my inbox.
Amarissa our little exchange was fun. It was a much needed laugh.
#367 hillstheone
marylandpuma@gmail.com
Sorry here too 307 …I had know idea my joke would follow your post..please accept my heartfelt apology!
Time to make dins, walk dogs, feed cats and ready for bed. See ya’ll tomorroe.
#322 michelle47
I can be extraordinarily clear.
My wife introduced me to this site. I am not a person who ordinarily spends my time in this way. But as a Naval Aviator, a Marine Captain, a Commercial Airline Pilot and a life long Democrat, the primary elections of 2008 have forced me to expand my horizons.
I know from every other organization that I have been involved with that if you can not raise funds then you are doomed to oblivion.
I think that this site claims to have raised million for Senator Clinton and I think that it should be bragging about raising millions for this site
Is that clear enough?
that should be No idea..it is late I am tired .. bad spelling ..good night.
#223 Amarissa,
“Some convention watchers had alleged that the city might purchase a weapon that would cause people to defecate.”
#188 BrooklynNY
.”Walking Eagle.” (the bird that’s so full of sh*t it can’t fly).
Just pictured these two posts together in my mind. They’d better not misfire those weapons at “walking eagle”. There’d be nothing left!
the DNC,The Media and kool-aid drinkers have sent a message to America..”Bro’s before Ho’s”..
translated….don’t dare criticize a black man but it’s ok to dump all over women..it’s ok to be a sexist pig and treat women lower than dirt..
(can you imagine what the Obama kool-aid drinkers,DNC and MSM would have done if PUMAS made up little caricatures of Obama as “Little black Sambo” running around a pool of butter?) yet they get a wink and a nod and a pat on the back with their “bros befo hos” and Hillary “bitch” and “cow” cartoons..)
Very sad about the homeowner who took her life. My home has been on the market for 2 years with only a handful of showings. Debt is increasing monthly – living in the red. I sure would like to see Hillary as POTUS.
I am ‘worried’ that if she doesn’t get in there then I might have to let it be foreclosed on also. Bye bye good credit.
TOPIC: OPRAH
Sometimes I think Oprah takes herself too seriously.
I like Oprah a lot but lately I keep thinking, “What would I do with her Money?”
Know what I’d do??
I’d buy me a coupla BIG Media Outlets! I’d make myself the new female Ted Turner, and “Turn” things around right quick for fair reporting for all. I’d especially get rid of all the garbage advertisements like the ones showing huge SUV’s getting thrown off a cliff in some fragile ecosystem, take off almost ALL “reality” TV, get rid of the ads w/the sexist overtones.
Most delightfully the NEWS would become again a source of unbiased information the people of America could really TRUST. Instead of what it’s become, American Idol combined w/USA Today on steroids.
REAL news people could trust. Ain’t that a concept…
Does anyone here wonder if we are the only sane people left in the world? I am not a big poster here, but am here reading always. The country and especially the media have gone obama mad. I am more than a bit scared.
Thanks goanderson for the addy
#372 captjack
Our contribution to Hillary campaign to pay off her debt is not given directly to PUMA PAC, we have to do it individually. PUMA PAC and JUST NO DEAL has over 250 websites alliance, all of them ask their supporters to make donation to retire Hillary’s debt the chosen date was July 4.
What we donate for PUMA PAC is totally different from our donation to Hillary. Our donation to PUMA PAC stays within our organization to cover expenses we incur on day to day basis.
Captain Jack – Does this mean that YOU WANT to donate to Puma I am sure that Maryland Puma would be more than happy to take your donations – thanks.
#359 gay gal
Nooooooooo
377 hillstheone~~~Trouble is, Oprah is the steroid behind the hemhroid.
#372 Captjack — I won’t tell if you don’t ask.
378 michelle47
I don’t wonder… I know
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/midday-at-the-watering-hole-were-40-of-dems/
michelle 47 — yes I wonder that too — it is VERY weird.
My only hope is that on November 4th we will learn that the rest of the country is just as sane as we are.
p.s. Capt Jack — thanks for the pep talk about raising funds for Puma PAC — don’t fret — we’ll get there. Pumas are amazingly generous. And we are the Voice of the Voters — we dont need fancy lobbyists and all that jazz. We’ll get there.
#372 captjack
I am not trying to speak for the PAC, but I have been lurking and posting since the beginning.
There are separate ways that people who have the means can contribute to the JSND (just say no deal) coalition. These include (1) making contributions to pay down Hillary’s debt, (2) making contributions specifically to PUMA PAC, or (3) making contributions to other organizations that are part of the JSND coalition.
The talk about Hillary’s debt has been confusing. There was a push by the JSND coalition (in July) to pay down Hillary’s debt. Individuals were asked to help pay down that debt if they could afford it. This activity was independent of contributions made to PUMA PAC or any of the other JSND sites.
Did this answer your question?
BTW, a HUGE THANK YOU for serving our country. Anyone who does so is a hero in my book.
freepuma #375 — yep. there is definitely a double standard at work. I believe women are so accustomed to dealing with it that we arent really shocked. fed up and angry yes — but not shocked. Like I said a while back, we’re used to living in a world where Swamp Misogyny is a feature of the landscape.
Even your statement “bro’s before ho’s” though I know you are making a valid point, is shocking to me.
#680 Goalucard4Hill on 07.23.08 at 7:25 pm, WROTE,
[[ This is becoming way annoying I type a message hit enter and it takes me away - and doesn’t post - ]]
I had problems earlier too and just gave up. In the morning my post wouldnt send, but then when I tried a few hours later, prompt said, you are posting too fast. duh! I can only conclude heavy traffic and/or too many crawlers at the same time.
[[ SO IMPRESSED WITH YOUR WEBSITE COSMETA - I signed up and hope others from Pumapac do the same - it is clean, user friendly and concise - I LOVE IT -
Proud of you - ]]
Thank you. My site is a spiritual site, but I do have a political section… and if there was interest, … well, I’ve been in contact with my programmer asking him if he could just isolate that section so I could put it on a separate web site… But I am not going to spend the money on another site if there is no interest.
But… right now, I use it when i do research… that’s how it so easy for me to post here… I take stuff from my own site and paste it here. Also, I truly think a forum can help PUMA to store stuff for easy access. Not only for posted messages but so we can contact one another. Ah well…
BTW, I sent you a Private Message from my site… hope you get it because I just moved hosting companies… so hope my email is working by now.
Thanks again.
#372 captjack
Newcomers sometimes don’t realize that this site has only been in existence since June 3. We’ve all come together with a common mission to support Hillary and fight the corruption we’ve seen in the Democratic process during the primaries.
This is probably very different from other organizations you’ve been part of, where people had more time and resources to pull things together.
We’ve done tremendous things in the past few weeks with volunteer effort from people all across the country and beyond. We don’t have the benefit of face-to-face meetings. Most don’t have the benefit of calling each other; we’re doing a lot over the blog.
Many here are on fixed incomes, are deeply in debt, are unemployed, or have other limitations, but we contribute what we can. Some in the group are disabled. Many are new to blogging. And yet we all find ways to make a difference in this movement.
We’re happy to have you and welcome your contributions too. But please be patient with our limitations.
Obama Quest. LOL!
http://www.hillbuzz.blogspot.com/
BO said not to wear Green well now we know how kermit the frog feels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIOiwg2iHio
#382 Purple — Ummmm….. Green gets to be outside in a chicken coop and Purple gets to be inside a football stadium.
Murphy
I implore you to create a site which excludes discours but lists all of obama’s gaffes, flip flops, lies, suspect associations and general incompetence. I spend alot of time trying to disuade people from voting for the empty suit but i get frustrated. A site which held it all without comment would come in handy.
Here’s an interesting piece on the clintons4mccain web site. (There’s also an interesting observation that the NY Times recently rejected an Op-Ed piece by McCain while snatching up an Op-Ed piece by you know who.)
The piece I’m pasting in is rather long, so I’ve edited it in the hopes that it won’t look too overwhelming on the blog:
Ouch! Israel National News Asks Obama to “Just Go Home” and Stop Using Their Land as a Photo-Op
An Open Letter to Barack Obama
by David Ha’ivri
We know who you are and who your friends are. Barack Obama, why don’t you just go home?
Barack, your visit here is just a waste of time; you’re not wanted or needed here. We’ll do just fine without you and you’ll probably do better with out us, too. Don’t come around here making as if you’re looking out for the good of Israel. We know who you are and who your friends are. Zigzagging back and forth about dividing or un-dividing Jerusalem won’t clear your history.
… being supported by a known Jew-hater, bigot Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam, who among other statements has accused the Jews of bringing on the Holocaust through cooperation with Hitler – “They helped him get the Third Reich on the road.” But, of course, it would be wrong to hold that against you, because you haven’t been rallying for his support (recently).
Your spiritual mentor is Reverend Jeremiah Wright, who has praised Jimmy Carter for denouncing Zionism. Last year, the Trumpet Newsmagazine of Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ gave the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award to Louis Farrakhan and said that he is a man who “truly epitomized greatness.”
Now you won’t go so far as to criticize Jimmy Carter, not even for meeting with the heads of Hamas, because, to paraphrase your words, “It’s not your place to criticize him.” That is, not until the next day, when you were seeking the support of Jewish leaders. Then you must have found a new place for criticism. Aren’t the Jews great for giving a guy a new vision and a sense of self-confidence? Is that what you meant by, “It’s time for change”?
Can you tell us what you mean by supporting a Palestinian State along side Israel? Do you mean a replay of the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Gaza three years ago? Do you foresee soldiers carrying men, women and children away from their homes, which are to be demolished by bulldozers? Palestinian rule brought on the endless rocket fire on Sderot and the thousands of Jewish refugees who have yet to find permanent homes or means of a steady income. Is that your vision of a new hope that Farakkhan’s Final Call website praises you for?
Why don’t you just go home? Your visit to Israel this week is not because you’re looking out for the wellbeing of Israel and the Jewish people. You’re coming to Israel looking for the Jewish vote.
Don’t use us or our land as a photo-op to transmit a twisted call for support to Jewish-American voters. You don’t fool us. We know who you and your friends are.
Why don’t you just go home? But on the way out, remember the words you heard here from the proud Jewish settlers in Judea and Samaria: “This is our land!” We are back after two thousand years of forced exile and we are not about to leave it again.
#356 BillieJo,
I was a licensed life insurance agent for a time after leaving the Army. Didn’t like it. But, most companies will pay up for a suicide if the person has held the policy for more than two years.
#397 antifish
Hey anti rodham! Did you get my mail?
Do you have yahoo IM?
Henry 395 — I love that idea. will put up such a page right away — but, would appreciate help. If you or anyone can spare the time to come up with some easy to digest soundbites about why a true Democrat will never vote for Obama, PLEASE email me at murphy@pumapac.org.
thanks!
“Ouch! Israel National News Asks Obama to “Just Go Home” and Stop Using Their Land as a Photo-Op
An Open Letter to Barack Obama
by David Ha’ivri”
GO Mr. Ha’ivri!!!!!!!!!! Ha’ivriPuma!
captjack, you have had more than a few people answer your question to the best of their ability. Are you angered that people chose to give money to help retire Senator Clintons debt? Again many of those same people also contributed to pumapac, myself included. I also do not feel compelled to give my resume, are you being rude? This particular site is not bragging about raising millions for senator Clinton, there is a coalition that works together, that coalition is just say no deal. The entire just say no deal coalition is bragging about paying down her debt. Most pro-Hillary, anti-Obama and just disgruntled dem groups have joined the above mentioned coalition. But to be clear pumapac is it’s own entity outside of just say no deal. Is that clear enough?
#381 Wizard
Be clear on this
I have already made very significant donations to this site. I have not been here but I have cared about this cause and backed my concern with my checkbook.
But I know that it will all come to nothing if everyone does not get it into their heads that without millions this site will not succeed.
I repeat, I have already donated significant amounts of money to this site.
Here is a challenge. I will donate $1,000 tomorrow if ten other people donate #1,000.
From : http://themountainsage.wordpress.com/
From Animal Totem I find:
Cougar spirit will teach us to assert ourselves, and take control of our life so we can become leaders. Cougar’s graceful swiftness shows us how to understand the natural flow of our environment and move into a position of leadership.
A few choice quotes from Thomas Jefferson:
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.
A free people claim their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate.
-Thomas Jefferson
goandersen,
Yahoo IM what? What IM? What U is? IM special RU? What IM I? Who IM I?
Thank you Purmaindy – I am a Vietnam Veteran and proud of my service to this country as well – reason why I want someone like Hillary to be our next President.
Like you I started on this site either by reading or blogging the first week – I watch people come and go and express their opinions – some good – and some not so good – but generally you can size up a blogger by the way they phrase their questions – especially if it is their first blog – if they are combative then you really wonder what their motive or objective is – people here work their behinds off behind the scenes – some research, some donate, some hand out flyers, some work on projects behind the scenes – as mentioned above by Maryland Puma – she, Mama and Murphy are not paid – everyone here are volunteers trying to do the best that each can to make a difference and put someone in the White House that can save this country – and in my humble opinion I have never seen anyone BRAG about how much they have done – its all in the spirit of team work – enough said – going to bed.
#393 Sly2 — I guess we answered the pop quiz in our own ways at the same time.
#402 captjack
I’m curious, what’s your wife’s username here?
Murphy
a few days ago we did an a to z no obama some great ideas there, unfortunately I didn’t do a screen shot. but I think a statement like his association with the domestic terrorist william ayers followed by a link to more info. I believe if people see everything grouped together it could have an effect. the media has glossed over every misstep he has made but putting them all together it cannot be denied. Just an idea.
Purmainty – tried to repost again and as I typed the words this will probably not post -it did not – what I was trying to say and maybe this one will take – that comment was not directed to you – hooked on to your post and added the comment because I wanted to say everything without having to redo again and again -
you are one of my most favorite bloggers here – down to earth, sincere and good with your words – and all I was saying to you was thank you for your kind words about service to our country….
#402 captjack
Money helps, but it’s not everything. Obama outspent Hillary two-, three-, and four-to-one every place he went, but she got far more votes per dollar spent.
Our most powerful effort will not come from opening our checkbooks, but from opening our mouths. Our letters and emails cost very little, but they make a big dent in the overall movement.
#395 henry on 07.23.08 at 11:37 pm
Folks here were putting together a database of some sort.
Another source to add to this page can also be found at the following.
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/forumdisplay.php?f=14
It’s a well organized site that could help with all our research.
Hey Trish – nice to see you on here – been missing you off and on all day – but alas and alack have to go to bed now – thank you for always being there and one of the most loyal Pumas that I have ever had the opportunity to work with – you rock
Murphy – nice job on the letter writing project (the swingy ones) today, you or whoever wrote it. I liked the stern wording, especially.
Pretty soon, the PUMA roar in their ears will drown out all the other noise.
#413 Wizard
Work was really busy today so I wasn’t around much…
sweet dreams
Capt Jack — please dont insult the intentions or actions of Puma PAC members. that is THE number one rule here.
I believe your intentions are good — really I do, but this is not the place or the way.
Most of our members are regular people who dont have lots of money laying around.
There is absolutely positively no expectation on the part of me or Puma PAC that people contribute. We are the grass-roots. We do not need lots of money. We need the daily actions of individual citizens around the country. that’s all we need.
Trish – I’ve sent you a couple of e-mails over the past couple of days. Not sure if they wound up in your spam box again, or what.
Signing off…
$402 — oops #402 — that is a great challenge — makes since to me — kinda sorta.
Well said Michele 407 – well said
To meet that challenge I will need for you or a person who can speak for you to pledge their $1,000 on this site to let us know. Or 10 people to pledge $100.
The reason for that constraint it to get the idea across to everyone who is a part of this site and to everyone who comes here and reads – get this straight – if you do not back this site with significant contributions in the same way that you paid down Senator Clinton’s debts – then this will fail.
thanks hillistheone — yep that’s me with the stern wordings.
Maryland Puma had the house in tears today though with her letter. Just teasing — it was quite a moving letter.
#418 — Jesum I meant cents, no sense, to me.
capt jack — we are NOT going to fail.
Good God!
#420 captjack on 07.23.08 at 11:58 pm
Thus, this is why I’m bringing people to this site, other sites with other causes, or just to JSND in general.
Recruiting members helps in order to get $$.
Some of us just can’t afford it, but there must be some PUMAs that haven’t come here that can spot a 20 or so.
Can we set up a formal drive?
Failure is not an option!
captjack
I respectfully disagree– I have learned so much from this and other sites and have been able to impart that information to others who generally get all of thier news from the 6 o’clock obama show. After begging them to do a little research several have moved away from obama. I agree money talks but everyone here I believe is doing what he/she can for the democracy we believe in.
((((((((Wizard))))))))
I owe you and every other member of the armed forces a huge debt. You are appreciated and you are not taken for granted.
420 captjack on 07.23.08 at 11:58 pm
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If I recall correctly, another member gave $1000.00 the other day also. Wish I could do that, but I can not. I did however contribute to this site, to the bus to Denver fund, and to Hillary. Even broke down and sent a little to McCain – which about killed me to do, but it was when we were sending him $5.44.
If Hillary does not get the nomination, I will, for the first time in my adult life, vote Republican (jeeeze, I can still hardly say that word).
thanks indypuma. you’re the best for all the recruiting and positive energy you bring.
and thank you to everyone who has contributed.
the next person who comments about money will be deleted.
that’s not why we’re here.
enough.
Failing is never an option – we have Murphy and all the great Pumas working together – we can and will succeed – no doubt about it – really going to bed now – blood pressure going up and too old and SMART for that.
Murphy I must repeat what you said earlier
capt jack — we are NOT going to fail.
Murphy, I would not discourage it though. It should be said that anyone who can should give. It is necessary let us face it. As long as folks know it is optional.
that’s right antifish. exactly. I’ve been broke, poor, and behind on my bills. I’ve been close to the situation mp described earlier about that poor woman in Taunton MA (not too far from where I live) –
when we PLAN for success, when we can SEE success, when we KNOW how to get there — absolutely NOTHING can stop us.
“first the ignore us, then they ridicule us, then they attack us, then we win” gandhi
#420 captjack
Why are you being so aggressive?
#12 wontbackdown on 07.23.08 at 7:35 pm, WROTE,
[[ I’m going to turn in early.
Cosmeta… saw your site! Wonderful!
dragonfly is off of computer for the night and don’t know if you will get my email add?]]
I did not but I can wait for tomorrow.
Thanks
“Failure is not an option” sounds like a great slogan for us. It could be one of many we adopt…..
That’s exactly right, Murphy. We are unstoppable because we truly believe in what we can accomplish. The power of sheer determination should never be discounted.
NIght Wizard!
I love that Ghandi quote, I think we are at somewhere between “ridicule” and “attack us” stage. They tried ignoring us God knows!
#419 wizard, Thank you!
i don’t think captjack is being aggressive, but i do think there’s a limited tolerance for views such as he expressed (hm, kinda like the dnc). but then, i’m a puma in exile cause i’ve said some things that seemed to have pissed people off, so what do i know. i think he’s raised legitimate ideas that one could bring up in a free democracy, no? better stop now before i use the “m” word and get banished!
Hey Murphy
Ill be in Boston this weekend, visiting family.
Are you okay? Are you financially well? (Note post #434) Just wanted to make sure you were okay.
Captjack,
You must not have seen my question, I was wondering what your wife’s username was
#440 tadgher99
ooooooohhhhhhh yeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhh
I wonder what would happen if someone took a screen name with a bunch of smileys at the end, like bruce55555555 did with the 5′s.
tadgher — yup. antifish too.
good — that means we’re almost at “then we win”
!
From : http://themountainsage.wordpress.com/
From Animal Totem I find:
Cougar spirit will teach us to assert ourselves, and take control of our life so we can become leaders. Cougar’s graceful swiftness shows us how to understand the natural flow of our environment and move into a position of leadership.
Gotta say this and it is probably very corny
A year ago I was bored with life I had fallen into a serious rut and then two fabulous women entered my life the first was a 6 month old baby whose mother realized she could not care for her. I became a man by taking care of a baby. She opened up whole new worlds to me. The second was Senator Clinton– her tenacity, integrity and intelligence over the past year have inspired me.
matt — you’re sweet! yes I am FINE. honest and truly.
we’re trying to plan a Boston/ New England Puma PAC get -together for Aug 1st weekend — any chance you’ll be back up here?
Capt Jack…I usually don’t post what I do when it comes to money, but I gave earlier today. I understand your call for money and the impact it has. I am a CFO for pete’s sake. So, well done on the reminder and the importance of having funds.
On that note, I am in awe of the collective actions of this organization. The letter writing, the research, the flyers, the phone calls…all of it. Every bit of action helps. Even the candles.
#434 Murphy,
You are absolutely right. EVERYDAY more stuff gets out about *61 and his tawdry ways. The media is FINALLY acknowledging that there are huge amounts of disgruntled Hillary supporters who are making it clear we won’t vote for their “beauty queen” and the delegates are finally realizing they may NOT have supported a sure thing in November. It is getting heated out there and we just need to move forward and keep believing…
You, mama and maryland are emulating Sentar Clinton and we are trying to follow all of you. Hillary is probably so proud of you for the grit and determination that inspries us to keep going.
Thank you
P.S. You have mail
henry — that reminds me of one of my favorite books — Plainsong by Kent Haruf. Sometimes I wish we werent so dang busy so we could have a book club night and such.
Is the baby a relative of yours? no need to answer if the question is too personal.
Henry, that is not corny. I am a man too, and I can def see where you are coming from. Awesome.
#378 michelle47
I find it weird, too. I don’t understand how he’s rallied all these people when he really only panders to a select few. Hillary stood for all the people as one should when representing a country as big and diverse as ours. They’ll be in for a rude awakening when they see their needs aren’t being addressed and/or met. I just don’t get it.
#407 gay gal yeppers…lol..
Murphy………I was out of town all day today at my Grandma’s funeral. But will get my work for today done tomorrow. (e-mails). BUT.. having been around a lot of cousins today that I
captjack
First things first. Our goal, reached by concensus, to pay down Senator Clintin;s debt, then came ponying up for buses from across the country to transport PUMAs to Denver.
I fully expect that we will also donate to keep this site running, and hopefully to compensate Murphy for all the time (what is it up to now, 22 hours a day?) she dedicates to all of our ventures.
Hey PUMAs I need to complete my prowl. What is the email of the DNC committee
Murphy
I would love to be there….but unfortunately I will be in Florida. My dad will be up in Boston, but I won’t. I would really like to be there though.
Anything happening this weekend? I will have some time to do something.
#448 henry on 07.24.08 at 12:14 am
That hits home… truly, that’s amazing and wonderful.
G’nite all…
I got the word out today:
Gave spanish fliers to the great hispanic guys putting in my landscaping. Thanks to Maryland for getting those to me.
I talked about Pumas to the dental hygienist that cleaned my teeth.
I talked to the clock guy that repaired my grandfather clock about Hillary still being a viable candidate and about PUMAS.
Weird but true.
There is a notice out on HRC Forum, saying that 15 SDs have switched to Hillary and that more are supposed to announce. They are supposed to have more details this weekend.
Anna,
I responded to your e-mails. I’m having major e-mail issues though so I will resend my responses and hope you get them
well to play devil’s advocate with myself – captjack – while money does make things happen, it’s also true that the civil right’s movement was not exactly what you’d call well-funded, yet it changed history. so who knows where all of this will go? i do think that minimizing the importance of money, however, is foolish. but making it a hard and fast requirement is likely also misguided.
and, hey, if you’re that eager to cough up a bunch of dough and murphy’s vision is more about action than money, you can always give to The Denver Group. i think they’re actively soliciting dollars for their ads.
Murphy
grand niece my nephew is 20 his girlfriend was 19 and they just couldn’t do it. I am 41 and gay and the last thing in the world I would have ever expected was to sneak in on a baby to make sure she is breathing. I gave up a little to help raise her but I gained a fortune. Call me Silas Marner.
wow Matt that is awesome. could this be the trickle that breaks the dam?!
Capt. Jack-
The money issue is something that you’re passionate about, so that’s probably your “calling” here; to give to a cause that others of us would like to give more to, but just don’t have the means. You should feel free to do what you’re passionate about, but not pressure others to do the same. We are working very hard long hours that we could spend with our families, or sleeping etc. to give what we are able. And we are making a difference. If everyone gives in every way they are able, we will not fail!
#456 Kendallblue
Sleep well . You have gone far and above Pumas actions by being here tonight.
#462 matt2008A
Until I see proof of the switches, I will put it into the rumour category
thanks, trish. sorry you’re having e-mail troubles (sometimes i hate technology…maybe i should become a ludite! lol)
i really gotta sign off but captjack got me hooked in!
Henry, thank God for gay uncles!
OOOOPS.. That I haven’t seen in a very long time, I was able to recruit a few new members..Didn’t even realize how many family members of mine that are huge Hillary supporters. I also found out about the group meetings here in Asheville. Will attend it tomorrow night. Thanks Murph, once again, and in case I don’t tell you enough, for all the hard and tireless work you do for us………………..J
#467 – i think you said it perfectly. everyone finds their niche. maybe money is going to be one of your talents captjack. that’s cool.
#467 notfollowinthepiedpiper,
Well said, you got it exactly right.
diva2…………..thanks..big smile !!
#467 notfollowinthepiedpiper
Eggszactly!
#448 henry,
That’s not corny at all, it’s just downright beautiful!
Doink Doink Doink, Boink!
Good night all! ((((((((((paws)))))))))))))
#469 TrishfromCanada
I beleive the 15 SDs were confirmed by Will Bower, if that helps at all.
#22 Asian4Hillary on 07.23.08 at 7:43 pm, WROTE,
[[ I like Lou Dobbs, he say it as is, he doesn’t toe the line or besotted with NOBAMA. Anderson Cooper is totally enamored with NOBAMA, I think the man feel some tingle crawling up his legs when he’s next to NOBAMA.]]
I like Lou also. Used to watch CNN constantly ever since 911… but stopped during the primaries when I noticed the media bias. One day my sister asked me to turn on Bill O’reilly show on Fox News. I couldn’t believe my eyes. CNN was purposely making Hillary look like she had heavey hips when she does not. That’s when I stopped watching CNN almost completely. I now turn it on for 20 seconds and then switch back to FoxNews.
I find Shawn Hannity biased also but he is biased against BHO so I watch him too… and more recently I like the coverage Neil Cavuto is giving Puma and Just Say No Deal.
As to the leg thingie… believe it or not… I felt it too, but I know how to read chakras, and when I felt that vibration I knew SOMETHING IS JUST NOT RIGHT with this guy because he works with lower chakras.
#479 matt2008A
They weren’t, he confirmed that he heard of it. But he could not give names or dates of the switches. Neither could other superdelegates confirm it
nite go rodham!
antifish
i think you have a corny side to you
wow, so these SDs would be in addition to the 8 that crossed over before. Pretty cool.
trish – the e-mails haven’t come through, yet, but not sure if you tried re-sending yet. ok, i’m going to bed. maybe i’ll dream that the puma movement won the day on a shoestring budget and i found $1,000 in my mailbox quite mysteriously! lol!
puma in exile
antifish
my bad
what I should have said was thankyou.
Ugh… the flood control is set too high.
#484 tadgher99
If the 15 do exist, it is 15 in total
#482 antifish
Night anti rodham. I can’t wait for Denver!
TrishFromCanada………….My sentiments exactly..I keep hearing about supers switching but have seen no proof. It gets frustrating.. But hope it is true.
captjack
Your passion is great and well-appreciated by me.
I have heard some incredible stories on here about people’s lives. Unemployed, very sick, living on $400-$500 a month, no health insurance but desperately need it but can’t get or afford it, well you get the picture and they are here working so hard but not all by giving money. I am humbled by the stories I hear. If you have money, please help out getting people to Denver and/or help Pumas so Murphy isn’t so stressed besides being overworked or contribute your time and talents. I don’t think there is a financial limit to what you can donate to the organization. : )
Thanks for stepping up and doing what you can. It is all happily received, I am sure.
I have to go to bed now. I just want to say good night to all and thanks very much for all everybody does here. It is awesome that so many care. Let us stick together and be strong. Good night.
JUST IN
Robert Wexler of Florida may be DISQUALIFIED From
the Florida Primary & General Election
* It seems Robert Wexler does NOT live in his district and has been lying about his domicile for YEARS!!!!
Please view the below video all about Florida’s Ron Klein & Paul Renneisen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_V8UP731Po
WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO OUR GOAL
FOR RADIO AD’S AGAINST
Ron Klein
John Kerry
John Olver
and of course
ALL OF THE UN-Representing Super Delegates IN NOVEMBER
100% of ALL DONATIONS go directly to the Radio Ad campaign
Lets STAND TOGETHER and Strong-Arm these Super Delegates & Nancy Pelosi & Howard Dean all at the same time
FAIR AND OPEN NOMINATION IN DENVER
INCLUDING HILLARY CLINTON
Radio Ad Samples can be heard HERE
#480 cosmeta
I began to like Lou Dobbs when he did all that media biased stuff. I think he was nice to Hillary. I remember when Lou Dobbs got really mad at a BO supporter that called in. Lou told the guy that BO was done. He really doe not like BO.
night tadgher oh and boom boom says night night as well
We should not be actively trying to find out which superdelegates are switching. Given the current climate in the party, they deserve to remain out of the limelight.
LOL, thanks Henry.
#496 antifish
I think knowing who they are, would be good for 2 reasons
1. would be able to put the rumours to rest one way or another
2. we would spare them the growls
Did everyone see FOX news tonight concerning Robert Wexler’s MOVEON.ORG fiasco ?? And O’Rielly said the Gov was looking into Wexler’s residency issues……..
Another corrupt IDIOT that fell in the tank for NOBAMA..
Just makes me mad as hell everytime I see Wexler.
Signing off leaving this piece from hillarygrassrootscampaign:
Wednesday, July 23, 2008
Letter From Soldier in Afghanistan (On Obama’s Visit)
Hello everyone,
As you know I am not a very political person.
I just wanted to pass along that Senator Obama came to Bagram, Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to “The War Zone.
I want to share with you what happened.
He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram. As Soldiers lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and didn’t say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General.
As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball.
He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.
So really he was just here to make a showing for the American’s back home that he is their candidate for President.
I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.
I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States.
I just don’t understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-and-Chief.
It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.
If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry, but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of person he really is.
What you see in the news is all fake.
In service,
TF Wasatch
American Soldier
I just re-read this article by Ferraro posted over on hillaryclintonforum. Smart lady, hope she is working hard behind the scenes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/25/opinion/25ferraro.html?ex=1361595600&en=50c2dfcfa52e1599&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all
They might not want to release their names for fear of media backlah, the wrath of Pelosi, Dean, Reid, Brazile & BO, getting nasty and threatening e-mails by BO supporters and being labeled racists
#27 wontbackdown on 07.23.08 at 7:48 pm, WROTE TO,
#25 murphy… did you see this???????????
[[ ABC7 in Chicago on The Denver Group
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6282893
“Clinton delegate Kevin Conlon says that Hillary appreciates their commitment but doesn’t want a convention fight. ]]
The Denver Group should be FUMING… ABC called them a “millitant” group. That’s going way overboard if you ask me and shows a debt of insensitivity not to mention inaccuracy of reporting.
BHO sleeps with terrorist and the Denver Group is called militants because they are asking for a fair vote…
This sort of media bias has got to stop!
Wexler will be under the bus by this time tomorrow. Maybe we should start passing out flyers under public busses cause its sure getting crowded.
493 goandersen
Robert Wexler of Florida may be DISQUALIFIED From
the Florida Primary & General Election
* It seems Robert Wexler does NOT live in his district and has been lying about his domicile for YEARS!!!!”
Since when have rulz counted for anything?
PS Goodnight. I got errored out when I said that to you earlier.
I am happy to be a part of this amazing group. You are all wonderful! The contributions made here whether monetary or otherwise, make me proud to be an american. We are all special and worthwhile in our own ways and we are fighting for what we believe to be right. Everyone here is an asset no matter what they give. We are a family striving to right a wrong for the betterment of a party that has left us and one way or another we will prevail, the outcome may not be the one we are striving for, but in the end we will all surely be winners, for we are winners already. Good night pumas, I am so proud to have found you!
493 continued
http://www.dncreform.com/Campaigns.html
#499 KENDALBLUE
I would love to see Wexler go. Unfortunately, his district is extremely Democratic (Its in Broward County)and he has been there forever. Hillary did win over 70% of his district though.
#503 cosmeta – contact the news network to express your feelings. i thought your comment about Obama sleeping with terrorists while The Denver Group gets labeled as militants was fantastic!
Perhaps the tide is turning…I feel optimism and I hope itis not the flu
by the way, I don’t post a lot but I read everything and but for this post and you people after Hillary’s site became a nuclear waste site I don’t know how I would make it.
in this world we are given nothing but a heart and a brain–and with these we can change the world. One person. And we have much more than one…
without sounding too weepy, I love you all. every single one of you. as we count down to Denver, my heart beats are timed to the super delegates votes…thump thump thump.
PUMA POWER!
#505 DancesWithPumas
If this was really true, I would love it. His district is overwhelmingly democratic and has a big Jewish population.
#505 DancesWithPumas o
Good night Dances
what Michelle47 said at #506
My sentiments exactly.
thankyou all!!
510 jenniforhillary
Beautiful.
I would to see you post more often.
me three!
good night for sure now…
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2050337/posts
Wonder how MSNBC would report on this?
#447
Loved the video at Mountainsage link. Made me laugh out loud.
#448 Henry
How wonderful for you. She sounds like she also did wonderfully getting you. So many gay couples want kids and it isn’t always easy, so you did get a precious gift. My brother is gay and my cousin is a lesbian.
Good night PUMAs…Jenniferhillary…listen to Dances. Thank you all for great posts tonight.
Goodnight folks………See you tomorrow…sweet dreams
anna7000 — thanks for the email — i will work on it tomorrow.
thank you as well for attempting to divert some positive energy into the idea of raising money that capt jack was bringing up.
Diva2
sometimes it takes a village– to qoute my favorite lady
#505 DancesWithPumas
They did a thing on Wexler on FOX’s O’Reilly… and Wexler also attacked Fox for being racist… and O’Reilly and Juan Williams laid into this charge big time.
#27 wontbackdown on 07.23.08 at 7:48 pm,
______________________________________
My Post to ABC — the only one so far
[["I was glad to see ABC cover the Denver Groups ad in the Chicago Times, but calling them a militant group because they are asking for a fair and democratic Convention nomination process and roll call vote is way over the top; and I think Mr Shaw owes them an apology if not a retraction." ]]
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6282893&status=ok
henry — I’m hooked — would love to hear all about baby.
jenni — got your email — wow.
night dwp, goand, kendall et al.
matt2008 — absolutely! email me at murphy@pumapac.org about an impromptu Boston lion’s share this weekend!
thanks so much for the purrs….i tend to be too radical so it is good that most of my ideas are in my head
one thing is for sure, puma has rocked the dnc boat and it is sinking. I just hope Hillary will be the one to rescue us all except that man, and become POTUS in time to save the USA.
when I think of words like hope, change and unity I see Hillary and behind her every good and decent person in the world….marching. she looks dang good in her blue pant suit and I am dang proud to be behind her.
Well, I just stopped in a for a few minutes; almost done with work, but I had to stay this..
for myself, even if HRC is NOT going to take it to a fight on the convention floor, even if that is her decision.. well.. and good.. that’s HER decision. But, NO MATTER WHAT… I will NOT EVER VOTE FOR NOBAMA.
If, and I am like others here.. I refuse to believe it until I hear it from her… but if she does really mean it, then we have to buckle down to what will be left as our main goal.. that is that Nobama does not win POTUS.
In the meantime, though, I simply refuse to give up on the hope that there is hope. I guess that’s the rest of the stubborn part of me.. LOL.
and Wexler also attacked Fox for being racist…
Calling people racists seems to be trendy now. The only people that accusation works on are the ones who don’t know what racism is, same with sexism…
agism, looksism…
HELP WANTED
18 MILLION PUMAS TO WADE $HIT IN DENVER
night dwp, goand, kendall et al
does this mean I have to go to bed now?
et al must be a new puma…
PumaEtAl LOL Puma needs to eat Barry
………..
They still don’t get it…..check the last paragraph.
Hillary Donors Not Backing Obama
Wednesday, July 23, 2008 12:53 PM
Of the 311 fundraisers who bundled more than $100,000 in donations for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, only eight are on the list of contributors to Barack Obama’s campaign in June.
Their total for the month: just $19,250.
“The fact that fewer than 3 percent of Clinton’s donors have donated any money directly to Obama in his first month as presumptive nominee is likely to raise the eyebrows of some leaders in the Democratic Party who are hoping to see signs of unity,” the Huffington Post observed.
The Washington Post reported that a total of 2,200 individual Clinton donors — as distinct from the big-money fundraisers tracked by the Huffington Post — became first-time donors to Obama’s campaign in June. They contributed $1.8 million, or just 4 percent, of the $52 million the campaign raised last month.
Obama donors are evidently returning the “favor.” They gave just $105,000 in June to help Clinton repay her $25 million campaign debt, according to the Lost Angeles Times.
For the Obama campaign, the easiest way to drum up support from Clinton’s contributors is to put her on the ticket, Hillary fundraiser Susie Tompkins Buell told the Huffington Post: “The magic solution in general is the vice presidency. It heals all the wounds immediately.”
© 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved
meant to say goodnight
Vonay
were do I send my resume. To be brief I can say I have successfully waded through all of the shite the msm has thrown at me for the last 9 months
#527 Dances
Capricorn here
Just wanted to say Hi before I shut down. always enjoy your thoughts.
“Hillary fundraiser Susie Tompkins Buell told the Huffington Post: “The magic solution in general is the vice presidency. It heals all the wounds immediately.””
Yep. To listen to them you’d think the vice presidency heals leukemia, cancer, boils, umbago (whatever that is), nearsightedness, fatigue, impotency………
#531, Doesn’t heal my wounds novp noobama
diva
“capricorn here” LOL LOL
You know I was only playing with you, dontcha?
okay I am going to be crass and I beg everyone’s forgiveness in advance
but wouldn’t it be funny if however many we may be all went in front of invesco and took a dump before the big event.
oh but i do amuse me. the visual is too much
Had a bad day today dealing with mean people, so I decided to read up on some gossip before I call it a night (the real news keeps me up at night).
I hadn’t seen this, so sorry for posting a repeat story (and for posting gossip, when there are more important things to worry about). John Edwards apparently may no longer be a vice-presidential possibility for BO.
See: http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/07/zoinks-enquirer-finally-out-john.html#links
Once again, sorry for posting.
Good night,
Lara08
A VP offer does not really help, a Hillary nomination works wonders though
538 henry
“but wouldn’t it be funny if however many we may be all went in front of invesco and took a dump before the big event.
oh but i do amuse me. the visual is too much”
Uh, no.
But you’re right aboyt one thing: the visual is too much.
Now, please excuse my while I put in a call to child protective services.
dances
i needed to end the night with a hearty laugh
thakyou much
‘night, Henry.
beans and nachos dances
GOODNIGHT Henry! lol
goanderson,
Loved the post about Wexler.
I never heard back from marylandpuma.
I even checked my spam filter. Maybe we can try again tomorrow night.
p.s. Did alohapuma make it? 007girl works late.
I can’t believe Susie Tompkins Buell wants Hillary to be VP. She is a long time (big) fundraiser for Hillary. That shocks me. We can only speculate, but if she is pushing for VP there’s got to be more to the story.
445 pumaindy
wouldn’t that be the grooviest!
pumaindy
(haven’t been feeling well tonight and thanks for making me laugh pumaindy!)
“Speaking of Denver. Folks, each bus costs between $8,000 and $14,000 (depending on starting point). ”
I don’t know how many passengers a bus holds (60?)
but I’m wondering if it would be cheaper and take less planning if puma pac just supplimented people’s airfares with the bus funds?
TOPIC: msnbc
Several of us have posted how much Olbermann offended us w/his coverage of Hillary Clinton during the primaries.
For those of you who missed it, here’s a classic. But brace yourselves, as one poster comments below the youtube video, it probably qualified as one of THE lowest moments in the primaries (or in the history of politics):
Keith Olbermann Special Comment: Clinton-Obama Assassination
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLNFsl130_Y
This is why I think it’s so important we do a PUMA prowl on msnbc one of these days…
can we do a no vp email bomb tomorrow to our lady of realistic hope(HRC) tomorrow
Man….I wrote this and then I had to type it again, My server went down
BO VP choices who do not want to be VP or who have screwed up:
T. Strickland
E. Rendell
J. Webb
H. Reid
M. Warner
W. Clark
J. Edwards
Sam Nunn has screwed up so badly
Hillary would never take it.
So that leaves
John Kerry (my choice, they can both go down together)
Chuck Hagel (the far left will disown BO for this)
Claire McCaskill (great way to lose more Hillary supporters)
Bill Richardson (very unhappy)
Evan Bayh (say goodbye to ever running with Hillary when u and BO lose)
and Colin Powell is being thrown around (He better not take the vp spot)
pretty sucky list.
alohapuma:
didn’t know you were around! We are trying to get a live chat going so we can figure out our transportation logistics.
Why don’t you email the moderator & she’ll give you my regular email address, then we can get started on things at least…
henry — in the words of one who doesnt deserve the office of dog catcher,
Yes We Can!
night all,
tomorrow is another day!
matt:
I think Clark likes Hillary Clinton.
& I think (hoping) Hillary asks Edwards to be her VP (even though he might not deserve it?). Politics makes strange bedfellows…
matt, many of us have been having that same problem.
What I do now, is copy my post before i hit submit. If I get that message, I can just paste my post and hit submit again. aves lots o typing… esp nice for that who can’t type / keyboard.
Goodnight Murphy. Remember I told you PUMA will be a force to be reckoned with, and that “she will snatch the election from the jaws of defeat.”
So far, the first part is already in progress, now for the second part…
yw bruce55555 – I like your name and all of the 5′s.
High PUMA paw 5′s to you!
Got to get up in 6 hrs so must bid adieu(sp)
thankyou all esp murphy
Goodnight Murphy, sent you an e-mail
goodnight Murphy, thank you for all you do,
and goodnight all you wonderful Pumas, I love you all, we’re in this together!
553 hillstheone
Hi Hills…I just checked in for a bit. Was out this evening. Will do. Thanks
hillstheone
Clark really like Hillary, he was an avid supporter of her through the end. I think he is a great guy, though he stooped too low by attacking McCain’s military record (not cool)
Edwards needs to do some serious suck-up to Hillary for her to pick him
Bayh would of probably been Hillary’s first choice. They are very similar and both very popular. Bayh also is very supportive of her and they get along very well. Bayh is also a midwestern moderate.
Hey Pumas, I finally got it.
Remember all those rumors about the police using a “crap cannon” to greet protestors in Denver?
Well, the story was only half right. There will indeed be a crap cannon. It was invented by the DNC and looks exactly like their presumed nominee. And everything that comes out of its northern orifice is indeed crap.
Why did it take us so long to solve this mystery?
#35 DancesWithPumas on 07.23.08 at 7:54 pm, WROTE,
[[ “she has made it clear she respects the nomination process and Senator Obama has won it fair and square and she will be behind him,”
I’ll believe it (maybe) when I hear Senator Clinton say it]]
I agree. That man who was interviewed was not a representative of Hillary’s campaign because she SUSPENDENED her campaign and does’t employ any representatives at this point… So I doubt whether he was speaking for her. More like he was just giving his opinion. I would have to listen again but if I recall, he merely said, I dont think Hillary wants a convention floor fight, bla bla… Meaning he is speaking for himself.
Fact remains, someone, anyone at that Convention can call for that vote…. Not sure of the rules now… but I betcha someone could do a fullabuster to do it.
My guess is that Hillary would prefer f the delegates switched their votes to her prior to the convention.
TOPIC: Round One, The Narcissist meets Mr. Town Hall
Here’s an idea. We could all do a prowl on Obama and tell him we’re HRC disenfranchised voters considering voting for him but not until…
he debates McCain!
Cause he won’t be able to handle McCain, and everyone will see that in short order.
Too sneaky..??
;D
!
565 Firebelle Puma
LOL
#537 Dances
Yes, I do. I wouldn’t take it any other way. You are so funny. I enjoy reading your posts.
Dream happy dreams tonight
lol
#565 Firebelle Puma
Ohh….now I get it!
alohapuma,
are you still here?
Goodnight all
matt2008a
I think Clark is probably still supporting Hillary somehow behind the scenes… Al Gore, too, although people might not believe it.
goodnight, matt!
Cosmeta:
“My guess is that Hillary would prefer if the delegates switched their votes to her prior to the convention.”
Maybe they already have.
Wouldn’t that be a delightful surprise?!!
Evening PUMAs! Unfortunately I can’t stay tonight as I am wiped out from work and about to collapse.
But I will be on tomorrow to join in in the conversation. Sorry everyone! See you tomorrow! Have a great night!
I’m off to bed too. Goodnight all.
Thank you for the lovely company.
#565 Firebelle
hehehehehehhehehe
This is particularly amusing coming from you.
You are usually so PC. I’m glad your wild side is loose tonight.
Nite-nite, Dances!
alohapuma:
I’m off to bed, too. I just wanted to tell you I saw your post earlier today about the Narcissist complex or whatever it’s called. I didn’t have a chance to read it that closely cause I was at work but I wanted to talk more about it with you.
Maybe manana!
Also I think Hillary has probably got some Athena in her, for sure.
nite-nite…
#565 Firebelle Puma
Can’t stop laughing!
#549 Dances with Pumas
{“Speaking of Denver. Folks, each bus costs between $8,000 and $14,000 (depending on starting point). ”
I don’t know how many passengers a bus holds (60?)
but I’m wondering if it would be cheaper and take less planning if puma pac just supplimented people’s airfares with the bus funds?}
I agree wit you DWP,
I want to go, but from LA to Denver are 24 hours and I have back problems.
By air are 2 1/2 hours and the price is 250-300, unfortunally I am broke and I can’t afford it.
But yes I think is cheaper and faster.
Unfortunally
565 Firebelle Puma
LOL You’re mean!!:D “D
alohapuma’s post
alohapuma: I went back & found your post about Obama from earlier today. Scary, but fascinating!
I re-post it here for those who might have missed it the first time.
You know this would explain a few things like the logo on his podium and the way he puts his chin in the air all the time?
~ ~ ~
From Open Letter by Sam Vaknin, PhD.
RE: Why Obama Will Be Worse Than Bush
Barack Obama appears to be a narcissist. Pathological narcissism is a reaction to prolonged abuse and trauma in early childhood or early adolescence. The source of the abuse or trauma is immaterial: the perpetrators could be dysfunctional or absent parents, teachers, other adults, or peers
In some ways narcissistic leaders are more nefarious and their effects more pernicious than psychopathic ones. They are more subtle, refined, socially-adept, manipulative, possessed of thespian skills, and convincing. Both types equally lack empathy and are ruthless and relentless or driven.
The malignant narcissist invents and then projects a false, fictitious, self for the world to fear, or to admire. He maintains a tenuous grasp on reality to start with and this is further exacerbated by the trappings of power. The narcissist’s grandiose self-delusions and fantasies of omnipotence and omniscience are supported by real life authority and the narcissist’s predilection to surround himself with obsequious sycophants.
The narcissistic leader invariably proffers an aesthetic of decadence and evil carefully orchestrated and artificial – though it is not perceived this way by him or by his followers. Narcissistic leadership is about reproduced copies, not about originals. It is about the manipulation of symbols – not about veritable atavism or true conservatism.
In short: narcissistic leadership is about theatre, not about life. To enjoy the spectacle (and be subsumed by it), the leader demands the suspension of judgment, depersonalization, and de-realization. Catharsis is tantamount, in this narcissistic dramaturgy, to self-annulment.
The narcissistic leader prefers the sparkle and glamour of well-orchestrated illusions to the tedium and method of real accomplishments. His reign is all smoke and mirrors, devoid of substances, consisting of mere appearances and mass delusions.
In the aftermath of his regime – the narcissistic leader having died, been deposed, or voted out of office – it all unravels. The tireless and constant prestidigitation ceases and the entire edifice crumbles. What looked like an economic miracle turns out to have been a fraud-laced bubble. Loosely-held empires disintegrate. Laboriously assembled business conglomerates go to pieces. “Earth shattering” and “revolutionary” scientific discoveries and theories are discredited. Social experiments end in mayhem.
#578 pumaindy on 07.24.08 at 1:33 am
[[This is particularly amusing coming from you. You are usually so PC. I’m glad your wild side is loose tonight.]]
Hey, I’m a firefighter. Need I say more? But I couldn’t help myself after all the “shitty” jokes earlier.
#585 Firebelle Puma
I posted one at #374. A bit out of character for me too. But it still makes me laugh to picture it.
#586 notfollowinthepiedpiper
Definitely cute.
re#584 hillstheone..
— what you’re saying is that Obama is a NUT
Obama caught lying on bar application!!!
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/official-complaint-filed-obama-lied-on-bar-application/
Geraldine Ferraro for VP hey we can have 2 females
I completed my prowls today, but something is messing with my email. I have to call my ISP tomrorow, and get a new user security question and pin to prevent pretexting. also, if I delete browser history, is that the one that opens on the left side of the page, oe the one that drops down when I go to the sites I want to keep. This is in Windows IE. Can someone help? Be here a bit longer if someone knows. Gotta go make some coffee and tomorrow work on letters to my gov, Dwight Pelz(He’s the DNC coordinator or some such that keeps whining about how poor MO is treated.
Anway, any help appreciated, BRB.
blessings one and all, stay safe!
valleywitch
Anna 7000
Thank you for sharing that letter from the American soldier in Afghanistan. His comments about *61 not mingling with soldiers echoes other articles that I’ve read about his campaign. For someone that wants to be President, why is he so aloof?
This is all about control and the mass marketing of a candidate. I’m going to save your article and use it to respond to his supporters.
I just finished my first two prowls. Will work on the other one later.
Good night Pumas!
My take on ABC’s coverage of the PUMAs
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/puma-on-abc-news/
Good Morning Pumas!
I hope today is a great day for us and Hillary! I’m home today got a call notto come to work, not good, we are check to check so keep me in your thoughts please, pray the phone rings off the hook at work(dog grooming shop) I have to call at 8 so hope they got lots of caals.
Good morning PUMAs. I had to leave early yesterday so I just completed my PROWL this morning. Better late than never I suppose.
Here’s an interesting read I found this morning:
http://factsfirstok.blogspot.com/2008/07/press-release.html
Double Wow on both news links.
Can’t believe Hillary would not fight in Denver if given the chance.
Believe BO hid drug activites. Boot him.
BTW,
Good morning Pumas!
Just a test – Keep getting knocked off when posting
#591 No the menu you are talking about are your bookmarks. If you delete your temp files and history in internet options, it will not effect your bookmarks. the temp files clears your cache to free up space and make your computer run a little faster. It clears out the clutter!
(((((((Henry)))))) Uncle Henry, you are the best!!
Not much time this week to blog, but still doing all my growls and letters, and of course always running my mouth. Just thought I would share this comment from a very smart, successful man yesterday ” I can’t stand the ###@@%% but if he gets in office, at least I will know where he is and what he is doing” W H A T !!!
I tried, belive me I tried!
******MURPHY checking once again regarding my two posts and one email re union info I sent *****
#591 Did you try to send through yahoo? I tried this morning and it won’t send. I will try gmail when I get to work. I got an error message that I have never seen before.
tracking down, #46 jm1973 posted links,
___________________________
PRISON PLANET.COM
Obama Calls For National Civilian Stasi
Presidential candidate wants domestic “security force” as powerful as U.S. military, columnist compares proposal to Hitler Youth
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, July 17, 2008
Presidential frontrunner Barack Obama has called for a “civilian national security force” as powerful as the U.S. military, comments that were ignored by the vast majority of the corporate media but compared by one journalist to the Nazi Hitler Youth.
“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded,” Obama told a Colorado Springs audience earlier this month.”
http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-calls-for-national-civilian-stasi.html
Note: I don’t know if this is true or not, but if it is, it’s kind of scary… I mean, this guy *copies* everything and anything and we STILL DO NOT KNOW WHO HE IS AND WHAT HE BELIEVES IN, he not having one single original idea in his head. It’s almost like he’s a combination of everything he has ever read. Too pleasing… to manipulative. And just well… way to phony for my liking.
His thoughts are too scattered… too random… too chaotic. Too radical… Too anti-American. Too frightening.
Morning, everyone:
Check out the “Obama Cult of Personality” video and then scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page and vote!
http://nobamablog.blogspot.com/
#575 DancesWithPumas on 07.24.08 at 1:30 am, WROTE,
[[ Cosmeta:
“My guess is that Hillary would prefer if the delegates switched their votes to her prior to the convention.”
Maybe they already have.
Wouldn’t that be a delightful surprise?!! ]]
Oh, dear God, I surely hope so! There isn’t much time left and media bias is still a PRESSURE on Hillary to be reckoned with… but it could happen.
I WANT AN AMERICAN AS MY PRESIDENT.
And no-o-RamaDAMN aint it.
Hell, at this point, if we can’t have Hillary, I would be satisfied with an Al Gore upset.
So it’s got to be either Hillary or McCain.
He did coke for cripes sake… doesn’t anyone realize how that stuff messes up your mind, … and for years following. But you know what, from the way he and his wife are contantly touching their noses, I think he is still using.
To have him as my president would be the equivalent of me going to the bowery and asking a drunk to perform a surgical procedure on me. No way!!!
I’m worried about Obama’s “civilian national security force,” too. But I caution you about the PrisonPlanet website, which is run by an extreme right-wing conspiracy theorist named Alex Jones.
I know about Alex, because his cable TV show is on all the time here in Austin.
Alex thinks anyone who favors any form of gun control is a Nazi. He thinks the ruling elite of the world worship Moloch and can live forever. I’m not kidding!
Good morning Puma’s.
On Cnn last night Cafferty read some comments on; why would Hillary supporters want to derail Obama?
One Puma stated that .. Puma’s will only vote for Obama if he puts Clinton on the ticket as VP. My thoughts:
We as Puma’s share a lot of the same passions about our vote. However, we are not a collective on all views. There are Puma’s such as myself that will not vote for Bo even with Hill on the ticket as vp. Let us all be aware that when we speak in a public forum we respect all puma’s views and that we do not leave a false impression. I am sure this was not ill intended. So, thank you Puma for getting your comment on CNN. The public really needs to hear from us.
I hope we get a big announcement, like Hillary activating her campain and delegets switching to her! I can hope and pray!
Morning Pumas,
Now the megalomaniac thinks he’s chairman of the Senate Banking Committee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjzb61wfyN0&eurl
I need more coffee. BRB
#606 LibertyPuma,
I agree. I personally would not vote for BO under any circumstances. I feel that he is unfit for the office due to inexperience, questionable character and undesirable personality traits. Hillary being on the ticket would do nothing to change that.
#601 prplvette85 and #591 in regards to yahoo and not sending:
If you are talking about yesterdays growls make sure you remove the “(” and “)” in the e-mail addresses you have to send to (BCC) to.
Also not sure if this is for everyone using yahoo or just me but I have tired sending e-mails through yahoo with all of them listed in the BCC line and yahoo comes back and says the list is too long for the BCC line.
For me, I just ended up using my other personal e-mail account from some other place and it work fine.
argh! I need some good news on Hill. I miss her being in the race.
Morning Pumas,
Today is a new day. Heard local news a 53 year old lady killed herself yesterday which was the day her house on Auction.
The state is too high…
I miss her too, Liberty.
#60 maxgrader on 07.23.08 at 8:05 pm, WROTE,
[[ Guess you’ve all heard that Ms. Clinton today officially came out against PUMA: “We oppose any effort that doesn’t support a Democratic victory in the fall, including PUMA.”]]
Nothing is *official* unless it comes from her lips. So if it doesn’t don’t believe it. (period).
Even Wolfson, who was her campaign manager is now a BHO spokeman… so there is no one who speaks for her now, except she herself.
[[ I’m not in the least bit affected by her statement. Nothing much about Ms. Clinton reflects my principles anymore.]]
Not her statement.
[[ However, regarding efforts to pay off her debt, which by the way I’m not an advocate for, I read some piece by a certain Tom Christopher (don’t know him, but he sounds like a twit reporter) saying that a spokesperson for the Clinton campaign claims they haven’t seen a cent from any PAC group.]]
That would be the truth, because the limit is $2,300 per person, so there is no way a PAC can donate large sums of money unless it is bundled.
[[ Justsaynodeal.com says $10 milion was raised to pay off her debt; about 5 million is left.]]
Sorry to say, there is just no way for Will Bowers to make that claim. Same as here… any of us posting can click on a Hillary link and donate to her, but there is no way to TRACK it. So it would show up as individual donations and no way to tell where it came from.
[[ However, according to the FEC, Clinton only raised $2.7 million in June, vs. $5.4 million in new spending.
A spokesperson for the Clinton campaign had this to say:
“As far as we know, that $10 million is a fallacy. We have not seen that money. It is our understanding that these groups provide links to our website, and there is no way to track which sites those donations come from. We have received no donations from the PAC.”]]
I would accept the above statement as nearer to the truth.
Note: When I donate to the Hillary Campaign their isnt even a comment box to make comments like, I am a puma member… so the only thing that gets recorded are our names, addresses, telephone numbers, cc account, and dollar amount.
There is no way to track a puma.
You would need special software and special links to track through a specific site… and THAT just is not happening.
I need good news too, I am really down today between the election and work.:(
Yes Antfish. I agree.
Hey, did anyone just get mail regarding the 100 days of canvassing New Hampshire? The BO campaign wants me to be an activist and volunteer in the Granite state!
They need my help to keep Nh “BLue”. They make me blue. Would it be against my convictions to be a mole? hmmmmm I must ponder this.
Will Bower, like our Murphy is to be commended for his efforts, yet I for one do not believe everything he says, because often he is just making statements on the fly without any *real* knowledge on the topic.
His word is not golden, and should not bet taken on face value… but questioned the same way we would question any one, if we needed clarification.
All of the above, IMHO
I think all Puma’s need a bump of good news. anyone got any? anything?
#611 Bill-K on 07.24.08 at 8:08 am,
Think email also requires at least one name in the TO: box…. so I always put mamapuma there… and the rest inside of the BCC: box.
Some good news.
63% Say Trip Does Not Make Obama More Fit to be President
Wednesday, July 23, 2008
While Barack Obama has touted his travel to the Middle East and Europe this week as a “fact-finding” trip, 63% of Americans do not believe it makes the Democratic candidate any more qualified to be president.
A new Rasmussen Reports national survey, taken Monday night, also finds that less than a third (32%) think Obama will learn from his trip to Iraq. Forty percent (40%) say his mind is already made up about policies to deal with the war there. The Democrat has been accused by liberals in his party of softening his long-standing opposition to the war in Iraq in an effort to appeal to more moderate voters.
Obama on Tuesday at a press conference in Jordan defended his plan to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq over a 16-month period. Gen. David H. Petraeus, the U.S. commander in Iraq, with whom he met, opposes a timeline of any kind, but Obama said more forces are needed in Afghanistan. He outlined these positions in the days prior to his visit to Iraq.
The partisan divide is clear throughout the new survey. The responses of self-designated Democrats and likely Obama voters generally mirror their candidate’s actions and positions, although at times very narrowly. Republicans and likely voters for John McCain support the GOP candidate much more emphatically.
For example, while 74% of Republicans say it is not right for a candidate to make political statements contrary to government policy while in a war zone, only 40% of Democrats disagree. Nearly as many Democrats (38%) agree with the overwhelming majority of Republicans, as do 50% of unaffiliated voters.
In a separate survey this week, 45% said Obama is too inexperienced to be president. This number has risen from 41% over the past week. But the same number — 45% — believe the Democratic candidate does have the necessary experience.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/63_say_trip_does_not_make_obama_more_fit_to_be_president
#620 cosmeta – Thanks I will remember that. Had a feeling it was something simple.
#617 LibertyPuma,
I received the same email from the BO camp for 100 days of canvassing in GA. I hope they come to my door.
Greeting s Cosmeta, after a few years on this beautiful earth…I trust no one completely. I asked in a blog a while ago who keeps our checks and balances? Anyone know how everything comes together? Do we have a central reporting hub on all funds raised and by who? Is there a statement that we can view on line to see where all of the hard earned cash is being distributed?
I started a rap song…add to it…lol
,,jk
Bo/“Get in line, it’s not your time, your so far behind.”
Pumas / “You dont mind if we don’t rhym, Cause we don’t have time, And you might commit a crime!”
#623 antifish
They won’t come to my door when they see my bumper stickers!
623.hope they come to my door…ill convert them…lol
More good news (I never thought I’d be rooting for a Republican, what a strange election cycle):
McCain Opens Modest Lead in Ohio
Tuesday, July 22, 2008
John McCain has opened a modest lead over Barack Obama in the key swing state of Ohio. The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in the Buckeye State shows McCain attracting 46% of the vote while Obama earns 40%. Last month and the month before McCain held a insignificant one-point lead over Obama.
Seven percent (7%) of voters say they’d prefer a third party candidate over either McCain or Obama and another 7% remain undecided.
When “leaners” are included in the totals, McCain leads Obama 52% to 42%.
McCain is now viewed favorably by 57%, little changed from a month ago. Obama gets favorable marks from 50% of the state’s voters, down three points from June but up three points since May.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/ohio/election_2008_ohio_presidential_election
antifish….. we could be the puma’s in sheeps clothing for the Bo campaign. ( evil grin )
#627 prowlland,
I’m mixing up a batch of Obama koolaid antidote as we speak. Bring the bots on!
626…music to my ears….
#509 Anna7000 on 07.24.08 at 12:41 am
[[ #503 cosmeta - contact the news network to express your feelings. i thought your comment about Obama sleeping with terrorists while The Denver Group gets labeled as militants was fantastic!]]
The response I left was this one (by username, up2uu):
1 up2uu
7/24/08 12:48 AM EDT
“I was glad to see ABC cover the Denver Groups ad in the Chicago Times, but calling them a militant group because they are asking for a fair and democratic Convention nomination process and roll call vote is way over the top; and I think Mr Shaw owes them an apology if not a retraction.”
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6282893&status=ok
oops 628 I meant…music to my ears
I have kin in ohio. this may be the first time I do not try to convert them to the dem party. Goodness.
I think we should all place beware of puma signs in our yards for when they start canvassing
Cosmeta…good response. ANtifish…mix some brew for me to use as well.
Henry, I will probaly try a shock factor like I do for the witnesses when they come to my door. I lay a big wet kiss on my girlfriend right in front of them. As For the bots…. I will throw myslef to floor and worship their false idol.
No offense to any witnesses that are Puma’s.
I am going to go read some national news. I read kenya’s news yesterday. Surprise!!! They Love Obama too. grrrrrrr
i suggest everyone carry a copy of Living History. I do on the bus and get lots of comments. most people believe its over.
509..just read it all ..good post…we are getting covered at least….what is that saying “at first they ignore us, then ridicule us, then we win.” something like that
Good morning everyone, just got here so I’m catching up but #635 henry I love that puma signs in our yard (not sure what that’s about but i love it).
#624 LibertyPuma on 07.24.08 at 8:26 am, WROTE,
Greeting s Cosmeta, after a few years on this beautiful earth…I trust no one completely. I asked in a blog a while ago who keeps our checks and balances? Anyone know how everything comes together? Do we have a central reporting hub on all funds raised and by who? Is there a statement that we can view on line to see where all of the hard earned cash is being distributed?]]
Howdy. Yeppers. Any tracking software would work similar to, oh, let’s say Amazon, or GoogleAdsense, or something like LinkShare. Then, each site would have to have installed a special REFERENCE CODE linking back so that data can be tracked and traced.
But to me it is such a simple bit of logic.
Since Hillary suspended her campaign on June 7th and lost to BHO on the 3rd and 4th due to the supers… There is just no way in hell that special links would have been provided even if it were possible.
Thing is, … I don’t think the Hillary Campaign ever had special software to track doner sites.
This may seem out of place here… but Will Bower needs to shave and dress more appropriately before he goes before media cameras. And if media is following him around… (which I doubt)… more likely he is inviting them… Well, now, what can I say, on that last video, they made him out to be non-reliable at the end just by mentioning that he was going into a bar to meet his buddies. Not a good image… not good at all.
He is not being taken seriously.
But the Denver Group is.
Even Murphy’s Puma PAC organization is not being taken seriously… not because of Murphy or this site, but simply because Will Bowers and others are still using the phrase Party Unity My Ass.
It is a phrase that holds no respect!
More good news! Go read the rest of the article. Very interesting.
Voter Unease With Obama Lingers Despite His Lead
Poll Finds Background, Experience
Are Advantages for McCain
By GERALD F. SEIB and LAURA MECKLER
July 24, 2008; Page A1
WASHINGTON — Midway through the election year, the presidential campaign looks less like a race between two candidates than a referendum on one of them — Sen. Barack Obama.
With the nominations of both parties effectively settled for more than a month, the key question in the contest isn’t over any single issue being debated between the Democrats’ Sen. Obama or the Republicans’ Sen. John McCain. The focus has turned to the Democratic candidate himself: Can Americans get comfortable with the background and experience level of Sen. Obama?
This dynamic is underscored in a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll. The survey’s most striking finding: Fully half of all voters say they are focused on what kind of president Sen. Obama would be as they decide how they will vote, while only a quarter say they are focused on what kind of president Sen. McCain would be.
The challenge that presents for Sen. Obama is illustrated by a second question. When voters were asked whether they could identify with the background and values of the two candidates, 58% said they could identify with Sen. McCain on that account, while 47% said the same of Sen. Obama. More than four in 10 said the Democratic contender doesn’t have values and a background they can identify with.
Those findings suggest voters’ views of Sen. Obama are more fluid than his relatively steady lead indicates. In the latest poll, 47% say they prefer Sen. Obama to win, while 41% say Sen. McCain, the same lead Sen. Obama enjoyed a month ago. The margin of error is plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121684823498078481.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news
Here’s a joke I just got by email-thought it might remind you of someone and give you laugh mpk
John the farmer
>
>
> John, the farmer, was in the fertilized egg business.
> He had several hundred young layers (hens), also called
> ‘pullets,’ and ten roosters, whose job it was to
> fertilize the eggs. The farmer kept records, and any
> rooster that didn’t perform went into the soup pot
> and was replaced.
>
> That took an awful lot of his time, so he bought a set
> of tiny bells and attached them to his roosters. Each bell
> had a different tone so John could tell from a distance
> which rooster was performing.
>
> Now he could sit on the porch and fill out an
> efficiency report simply by listening to the bells.
>
> The farmer’s favorite rooster was old Butch, a
> very fine specimen. But on this particular morning, John
> noticed old Butch’s bell hadn’t rung at all.
>
> John went to investigate. The other roosters were
> chasing pullets all over the place with bells-a-ringing.
> The pullets, upon hearing the roosters coming, would run
> for cover. But to Farmer John’s amazement, old Butch
> had his bell in his beak, so it couldn’t ring.
>
> He’d sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on
> to the next one.
>
> John was so proud of old Butch, he entered him in the
> Renfrew County Fair, and he became an overnight sensation
> among the judges.
>
> The result… The judges not only awarded old Butch
> the No Bell Piece Prize, but they awarded him the
> Pulletsurprise as well.
>
> Clearly old Butch was a politician in the making: who
> else but a politician could figure out how to win two of
> the most highly coveted awards on our planet by being the
> best at sneaking up on the populace and screwing them when
> they weren’t paying attention.
>
> Vote carefully this year…the bells are not always audible!
Cosmeta, I hear where you are coming from about PR and Will. I wish he were a little more “well presented” because he is the voice at this time representing us.
I have no judgment on him going to a bar….timing is everything though. Our founding fathers wrote most of our consitution in pubs. I agree with Party Untiy My Ass not being apropriate. It can be cute in some of our circles at times when we are venting. I feel disillusioned over the Primary. I do not want to suffer another heart break over someone hanging out on our dime talking democracy one minute and pounding Guiness the next. I think maybe I am bitter. LOL
Barack Obama’s Fundraising Hypocrisy—a Lobbyist by Any Other Name…
July 21, 2008 12:24 PM ET | Bonnie Erbe
The latest campaign finance figures show Sen. Barack Obama’s pledge not to take money from lobbyists is a distinction without a difference.
He clobbered Sen. John McCain in fundraising last month, netting more than twice the amount of money raised by his rival. From Bloomberg:
Obama took in $51.9 million in June, including $1.4 million from a joint fundraising committee with the Democratic National Committee, while McCain reported raising $21.5 million, including $5.1 million from his fundraising effort with the Republican National Committee.
But consider whence much of Obama’s money comes. While donations to his campaign are not accepted from lobbyists per se, they are proffered by corporate executives. These same executives face a mountain of federal issues on which they will most surely need Obama’s help, should he win the White House in November. So what’s the difference?
To wit. Bloomberg reported that donors to Obama’s joint fundraising committee included Jay Grinney, president and chief executive officer of Birmingham, Ala.-based HealthSouth Corp., who gave $10,000, and Donald Thompson, U.S. chief of Oak Brook, Ill.-based McDonald’s Corp., who gave $28,500, the maximum.
As I’ve noted before, Sen. Obama’s fourth-largest corporate donor is Exelon, the nation’s largest provider of nuclear power.
Did he take donations straight from the pockets of the company’s lobbyists? No. But did he accept largesse in the amount of more than a quarter million dollars from Exelon’s CEO and top executives? Yes. In the process, he watered down to oblivion an antinuclear amendment he had sponsored, originally to force nuclear power producers to report even the most negligible of radioactive leaks. He then went on to tell mesmerized campaign audiences he had “passed” his antinuclear bill, which never passed the U.S. Senate.
Meanwhile, the Obama campaign disinvited Democratic war hero and former Sen. Max Cleland to appear at an Obama event in Atlanta earlier this month. Why? Sen. Cleland is a registered lobbyist.
John McCain openly accepts lobbyists’ donations. And some voters find that as much of a conflict (because Senator McCain has his name attached to the most important campaign finance reform bill of the last two decades.) The difference between McCain and Obama on this issue is McCain has never pledged not to take lobbyists’ donations. He has only pledged to fight to make the process as transparent as possible.
It just hit me looking at my May 31 photos: the PUMA conference takes place at the same hotel RBC stole this – we may get to redress it where it begun (symbolically, I know)
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/puma-conference-at-the-rbc-hotel/
mpk,
That joke is so appropriate to this election cycle.
Antifish…. thank you for the good news about the polls.
#605 Perry logan
Love your videos. They are crazy, in a great way!
Notyoursweetie. I like the idea of symbolism.
643…im just glad we have someone that can speak on our behalf…. i understand you concerns…. but he is getting the message out… Hillarys image turned around after she was in a pub,,,some of us watched with out mouths open…but we understood. And as far as the money goes…each group has the right to spend the money they get as they feel they need to. I could never tell anyone how they sould contirbute to any cause.
#509 I posted this in the comments on abc
5 robyn5050 7/24/08 9:05 AM EDT
First of all we are not MILITANTS. We are voters, who will not just fall in line to support a selected candidate, not an elected candidate. We want what we wanted all along, a fair election. We want Hillarys name on the NOMINATING Ballot, not just on the roll call. anyone interested in a FAIR CONVENTION, or who would like information you can go to http://www.justsaynodeal.com or blog.pumapac.org
Go Post comments PUMAS, this is the local abc channel in Chicago, the same station that drools everyday over their chosen one. They make me want to puke!
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6282893&status=ok
Hi you guys,
I must say I am very bummed today after hearing on this blog the Hillary Camp statement that she is not behind any anti-democrat organizations including PUMA. I am so hurt today! After all we have been fighting and doing for her. I know it has not come from her lips – but still – I know she probably has to say it – but still.
Man, I can’t stand this guy and his cronies! How on earth did they manage to pass this guy off and then convince millions of people that he was the “one”……
WTF is wrong with everyone! He is the most UNAMERICAN Candidate I have EVER seen. This is a f….g joke!
Cosmeta and LibertyPuma, I have also felt some unease with Will’s representation. I do think he is well-spoken and passionate. He has a kind of “happy warrior” persona that is compelling.
But I’m very concerned about pronouncements about Hillary’s debt that are hearsay. That is reckless and unfortunately may have caused supporters to stop donating. Our first rule should certainly be to Do No Harm to Hillary.
Let’s keep on giving what we can.
I was turning on Foxnews and they were talking about(on fox and friends) about Obama Drama, not sure but something about BO is mad that soldiers watch foxnews. There was also something else but I don’t remember was like half awake when it came on. Hopefully they will cover it again today (showed him on a plane kind of bad mouth foxnews).
Good Morning, Pumas.
#462 Matt That link leads back to Puma. Can anyone confirm this? Also, the more I read, Hillary insists she does not want a floor fight at the convention. I don’t know why, she should never give up. Her words. Has anyone read Andy Martin’s take on Obambi’s Germany trip. There’s a link at hillaryclintonforum.
#645 mpk, love your joke, LOL
BO said that Fox News was racist!!! Obama is a total fruit loop. His brain is MIA!!!
Dear Prowlland,
With repsect. Why change one demi-god for another? Of course we should be aware of how donations are handled. This should be very transparent. We trusted our party and look at what happened? I am not saying we should be paranoid. I am saying that we have the right to know that when we contribute to a cause..it is for that cause. I would hate to think that people who can not pay thier bills are being ripped off of what funds they manage to donate. This is a fair assertion. And one that should have no shame in requesting.
Of course Obama and his cult say that everyone is racist that doesn’t fall in line behind them!!
#660 hillaryistheone oh my gosh was that the other thing. Of course they are racist, that’s what everyone is who isn’t totally in the tank for BO. I guess that’s where his “followers” get that crap from.
Exactly slyt2!!
655…. she has to say that… dont forget the whole picture… and she may never come around and say good things about pumas…thats ok…we are fighting a cause..along with trying to get her nominated.
Doria, I agee! No harm to Senator Clinton. Will said Hill’s debt is paid. Well, show us.
That will be a great accomplishment! Puma’s have worked very hard along with other pro democracy camps.
The soldiers probably watch fox news because the female reporters are…. ummmmm… foxes. yikes, yes I said it.
I wish the whole world would switch to FOX! FOX will jump all over him for that,can’t wait to see what they say later
Prowl is right. Hill can not embrace this pac.
#665 prowlland
OK – but I don’t like.
ONWARD WITH THE FIGHT FOR DEMOCRACY!
NOBAMA – NEEEEVVVVVERRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MCCAIN 08
CLINTON 12
#660 Hillary, he’s not brain-dead, as the Boston Globe put it: He is a narcissist.
Good Morning everyone,
Help us out today, we only sent out around 12,000 emails to superdelegates yesterday from PDOP’s email initiative. After the first week of consistently rising numbers, that is lowest total yet. I will be spending much of the day spreading the link and am working out a deal to allow other sites to place the javascript for form on their websites. But help us, help you by spreading the word on other sites and through the email the post to friends option at the bottom of the form.
The email generator was updated with new Supers yesterday and will be updated again Saturday Morning.
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/07/just-say-no-deal-email-initiative.html
Also, our post for the day:
NBC/WaPo Pollsters are ‘Cooking The Books’
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/07/nbcwapo-pollsters-are-cooking-books.html
Yep anyone not in Obamas camp is marked as raceist,oh well I will only vote for Hillary or John Mccain, all the money in the world wouldn’t make me vote for obomanation,and I am pretty poor and broke.
I recieved this message today
NY Times – The Denver Group. This is what PUMAs are Fighting For!
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/clinton-supporters-try-one-more-tack/
Please take the time to read this from today’s NY Times. The work of Heidi Li Feldman and Marc Rubin cannot be understated. The subject of contributing to retire Hillary’s debt vs. Denver has been brought up extensively here, and on various blogs and websites.
Facts: Our main goal is to put pressure on the Superdelegates and the DNC to PUT SEN. HILLARY CLINTON’S NAME ON THE NOMINATING BALLOT AS A VIABLE CONTENDER FOR THE DELEGATES TO VOTE FOR. A STATE BY STATE ROLL CALL WILL ENSUE. We do not want a symbolic gesture………….that WILL NOT DO.
We are witnessing a coronation of a presumptive nominee who is NOT going to Denver with enough ELECTED delegates to secure the nomination. Henceforth, the Superdelegates CAN STILL SWITCH THEIR VOTES BACK TO SEN. CLINTON. EVER HEAR OF BUYER’S REMORSE?
That is our hope….AND WHAT YOUR ACTIONS MIGHT ACCOMPLISH, if only perchance to dream.
With regard to debt, YES, Hillary still has debt. It is your choice as to whether you would like to contribute to reducing it further * great job already*, OR, contribute to The Denver Group, to facilitate their media buys which are TRES expensive, but GARNERING A LOT OF ATTENTION.
THANK YOU, PUMAs!
You are ALL EXTRAORDINARY.
661… i was talking about each puma organization…doing what they think they should…
but if you donted to that organization,,,of course you should know where it is going…. i havn’t donated to anything but Hills. debt. i can’t.
#660 hillaryistheone
Where did you hear or read this…. I would looovvvee to see that!
Mija, sorry you are broke. At least you still have your vote.
A complaint has been filed to get Obama disbarred for lying on his bar application (about his known drug use).
http://tinyurl.com/5gemd4
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
(Press Release) – Jul 23, 2008 – CHICAGO, Illinois – Anonymous announced that they have filed a complaint with the Illinois Attorney
Registration and Disciplinary Commission requesting an investigation into false statements and misrepresentations Barack Hussein Obama made on his own bar application. The group cited information, which if true, would be grounds for disbarment. Anonymous accuses Mr. Obama of using illegal drugs and then concealing his drug use by lying about it on his bar application. Either action could be an independent basis for disciplinary action against the Presidential nominee. The group
claims that an investigation would identify facts that demonstrate Obama has engaged in conduct which brings the courts or the legal
profession into disrepute, engaged in conduct prejudicial to the administration of justice, and engaged in conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation.
Good Morning PUMAs.
Here’s the latest from Rasmussen Reports.
Thursday, July 24, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows Barack Obama attracting 45% of the vote while John McCain earns 41%. When “leaners” are included, it’s Obama 48% and McCain 45% (see recent daily results).
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
656, I agree with you. We need to be very careful what we say about Hillary’s debt.
Just completed yesterday’s Prowl. I know it’s late, but didn’t get a chance yesterday.
Haven’t had a chance yet today to catch up on posts, so don’t know if anyone is addressing this…I am REALLY disturbed about Obama having face-to-face meetings with world leaders and committing to do this or that if he is elected POTUS. Is that legal? Is there anything WE can do to draw attention to this outrage? He is NOT our President and DOES NOT represent the United States! What is he doing? Campaigning to be for President of the world???
Sorry, I’m usually pretty quiet, but this has me soooo outraged.
M
PUMA Democrat from PA
676….woooooooooo hoooooooo…thats the only way w are going to bring him down…( through the courts ). If not that then the Birth certificate…etc
Good Morning Pumas –
As it seems we are doing daily – I will unless someone has done so up above and have not read it yet – Rasmussen today shows NO NAME Ahead by 1% in Florida – how could that be – and up by 12 % in Minn -
He has 45% Nationally and McCain 41% – yet TODAY they show him 55% Favored and McCain 54% – reason I don’t believe in polls they change daily like your underwear — LOL
#655 MIMi I’m getting totally disenchanted with this whole thing about trying to help Hillary and then to say that. Where is the link to that story before I go nuts? I don’t mind her saying that she doesn’t support PUMAs but I do mind her stating that we are anti-democratic. Also, her insistance that she doesn’t want a floor fight at the convention. I say, Bring it on!
when he falls we can have a movie “The rise and fall of a jacka$$
regarding the Bo Bc. texas darlin has an article that shows a news paper clip from 1961 announcing the birth of BO to Mr. and Mrs. Obama in HI. The Hospital was not mentioned. Still a mystery.
Morning Folks,
New post up — feel free to repsost comments.
Take it upstairs!
Mija, your funny. Mimi, where is the article lady is talking about?
#670
Hi,
I emailed the superdelegates late last night. In addition, I’m waiting until this afternoon to email the third and last round. You are right about being consistent and sending these emails.
Thanks for the info about the WP/NBC bias in their polling data.
Have a great day Pumas!
684 on really…i havn’t checked her site in a few days
#676 ForHillary
Great News – Lets hope they DO the investigation and that he doesn’t go running and pay them a lot of money to shut them up – like is the usual practice with Loser.
Trish. John West and Michele Thomas are our people working on the superdelegate count. If you want more info on that, I can put you in touch with them.
I REALLY have a gut felling she had him in Canada…because he was only 3 weeks old when she was visting that friend…i think she came back to Hawaii and got a after the fact BC. which would make him naturlized…if im not mistaken
OK – will try this one more time and then I will become a lurker from now on instead of a poster – every time I type anything more than three lines – it does not post and takes me off the screen -
Yes, Drac, survived the storm – sent you back an email but bounced back to me something wrong with gmail again?
Cosmeta. I’ve always said that the money raised was by the PUMA *Movement* as a whole — and not any single group or outfit — based on the increase in funds gathered by HillaryClinton.com those days leading into the Fourth of July… as happening simultaneously with the Fourth of July drive in which so many of us participated.
How can I make that claim? It comes to us from two separate sources that we’ve been trusting for awhile now… and who have been accurate in the information they’ve given us thus far.
And OpenSecrets backs up these sources by showing that the campaign does now at least have more cash-on-hand than it has debt.
Cosmeta. The whole CNN story was -built- around all of us being casual and having drinks. That was what got Mark Preston’s notice in the -first- place. His stories are about situations where politics meets real life. Hence my PUMA T-shirt and the Cosmo’s. The story wouldn’t have happened had it -not- been a cocktail event.
And say what you will about “Party Unity My Ass” as a phrase, but it is a huge reason why we have been getting as much press as we have been. That single phrase has opened up many a media door for us and has served *everyone* in the coalition.
As for my not shaving… When FOX News invited me in for my first appearance — on June 9th — I could have shaved first. I looked into the mirror and made a conscious choice -not- to. It’s my own, small, personal PUMA statement if you will. I keep it short and close to the face… but it reminds me that I -am- a PUMA each time a look in the mirror.
I read this information on this blog and now I cannot find it. That HRC is not backing Puma and something to the effect that she is not for anything that is against the Democratic party.
Where can I find this…. Please… Anyone, A few of us are asking…. Where can we get this article?
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/morningq
should be on now, but it looks like no one has shown up.
Good to see you here Will!
#693 Will Bower
Will – you are doing an amazing job, It doesnt matter to me one bit whether you shaved or not or whether you were having a drink or not – Who Cares – the movement is here, it’s real and you have pushed and fought to get PUMA media attention.
Thank you for all you do.
exactly mimi. same here.
YO PEOPLE _ New thread upstairs – can’t get copying and pasting from down here – GO UP THERE
Thank you, Alice! Thank you, Mimi!
And it’s great to be here with my PUMA sibs!
Prowl done. I almost missed the call, but got in at the end. The poor man did not know what to say to me and he tried to be nice, but I really tried his patients.
P.S. I like Will unshaven.
A well written rebuttal to BO’s recent use of the race card against Republicans:
GOP unfairly branded racist
By DOUGLAS MACKINNON | 7/24/08 5:11 AM EST
I am a Republican and conservative who finds much about Barack Obama to admire. I am also a Republican and conservative who spent my formative years growing up in abject poverty and being homeless a number of times. During that time, I often lived in majority black neighborhoods and was many times the only white child in class.
When asked what, if any, positives I took away from that time, I always say, “my immersion into black America.” To me then, to me now, and to me always, black America is a great America. To this day, I feel more comfortable with that community than anywhere else.
It is for that reason and more that I was so disappointed with Obama’s recent comments regarding Republicans and race. At a fundraiser in Florida before a majority African-American audience, the senator said, “We know what kind of campaign [Republicans are] going to run. They’re going to make you afraid. They’re going to try to make you afraid of me. ‘He’s young and inexperienced, and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?’”
Read more:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11995.html
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