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New CNN Poll says 46% of Clinton supporters won’t vote for Obama. And, “In another sign the wounds of the heated primary race have yet to heal, 43 percent of registered Democrats polled still say they would prefer Clinton to be the party’s presidential nominee. That number is significantly higher than it was in early June, when 35 percent of Democrats polled said they preferred Clinton to lead the party’s presidential ticket.” Click here.
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Good morning.
Good Morning Pumas. I left this downstairs but will repost here.
I got this from Hillary Clinton news. — For legal reasons ~ please fill out this form so that your money will be redirected appropriately. Otherwise your monies donated to http://www.hillaryclinton.com may be returned in time. GO TO: http://www.hillarycampaign2008.com ~ FILL OUT THE FORM. PLEASE GET THE MESSAGE OUT.
http://hillaryclintonnews.blogspot.com/2008/07/alert-if-you-have-donated-please-read.html
I’m a little confused as to why this form would be going out rather than the one to retire her debt. I just printed out the retire the debt form and mailed it to Maggie Williams regarding a $25 check I mailed to the campaign office on 6/29 without any form. When I contributed the $20.08 yesterday, I did use the proper form for retiring the debt. What’s going on?
No one here yet except me and Snowtiger. Must be sleeping in!
Hopefully. They can use some rest, evreyone here seems to be pushing the envelope and I’m here cause I have to go to work.
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Have a great day.
Keep feeding the pumas.
When I donated there was a box to check, it said it was to retire her debt, so I am leaving it at that rather then redirect to 2012
Hope it’s not a bait and switch. Is it possible her debt got retired and she’s using the rest for 2012? I doubt it.
I guess any thing is possible but I doubt it too. They just said on fox no name wants to give his acceptance speech at mile high stadium, I hope he isn’t to dissapointed when Hillary makes the acceptance speech.
SuggestionDENVER:
- This year’s Convention may be frought with turbulence and even violence so using the BUDDY SYSTEM is imperative. As the bible says, go two-by-two; a policy that PUMA should promote.
- SPONSOR A PUMA: Donate Money $xyz (amount to be determined by Murphy or the person in charge of bus arrangements) so that another PUMA can go in your place should you not be able to go yourself. In return, the two are matched by way of email address… and perhaps if the person going has a camera they can take pictures to email or snail mail to their Sponsor.
Note: If you can Murphy, ask your webmaster to create a 120×240 banner to be placed on your sidebar for easy access.
- DOCUMENTATION: Documenting the event will be important as most if not all the media will probably be in or near the Convention site and demonstrators behind a fenced in area. So every PUMA that attends the event with a cell phone should take pictures… every PUMA with a digital camera should take pictures for upload to the Action Center Gallery of images; and every PUMA without a cellphone and/or without a digital camera should get at least one of those portable cameras.
Each PUMA PAC CELL should be assigned a pac leader; and each pac leader should have direct cellphone contact with someone who is at home watching on C-Span so that they can get minute-by-minute reports as to what is taking place *inside* of the Convention itself.
Note: Those not in attendence could be made to feel a part of the event even if they cannot attend; for they are PUMA also.
I went back to the contribution page and read where I checked the box and it deffinately says it is for her 2008 debt retirement so I am not filling out a new form
#10, I’m not either; however, I’m still questioning why that message is being sent.
Great ideas cosmeta. Theres no way I’m going to make it to Denver and maybe I can scrape up enough to send someone else. Or maybe we can set up a target amount for someone who has the time to go and work it that way as well. Use multiple donors. Kinda of a pack o’ pumas.
Well I’m off to work now, Have a great day all.:)
I feel if they really do return it which I don’t think they will, then I can donate to 2012 not now.
good moning everyone
Good Morming
Re: A Man of Seasonal Principles
By Charles Krauthammer Friday, July 4, 2008
“Obama’s seasonally adjusted principles are beginning to pile up: NAFTA, campaign finance reform, warrantless wiretaps, flag pins, gun control. What’s left?”
It’s really quiet this morning
Link for #16
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/03/AR2008070302451.html
MR flip flop
Good Morning Pumpas – I feel we might have a surprise or two today – just a dream last night – also the year of the WOMEN – both Williams sisters playing each other in Wimbleton – Go Williams – Go Hillary.
Alucard Rodham Puma
I have a good feeling today also. I also see Hillary as the nom in Denver
#17 mijabsnji. Everyone sleeping in, last night’s blog was busy though.
I donated my $20.08 to Hillary and my $5.44 to McCain.
Just received an e-mail thank you from Hillary. It said …”we are at a critical stage in our campaign….must do everything to help Hillary win…”
Nothing about paying down the debt or BO.
Anyone else get this message?
I missed last night we had a big celebration at my house and I am the only one up
Morning PUMAs…
I did
Re: “Inconvenient Truth” filmmaker Davis Guggenheim involved in Obama convention video. July 4 Obama film shoot in Butte, Montana
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/
“The pool was told repeatedly that Sen. Obama was merely doing a video shoot
for the campaign’s new media department, a routine operation. But Aliesh, hired by Essence to do makeup, tipped your pool off that Obama was accompanied by a famous film maker, as part of a film shoot for the
Democratic National Committee and the convention. Obama entered the mansion at 5:45. He re-emerged at 6:43, with a stylish film maker in tow and a crew
carrying a film camera, NOT the small digital cameras.”
Good morning, Pumas! I am going to be with the little dragonflies today, but I will be thinking of all of you and how much I admire your strength and dedication.
I also see Hillary as the nominee in Denver.
By the way, I followed the link above to the CNN article and Bill Schneider is quoted as saying some foolish things about us and about Bill Clinton. Puma responders, I don’t know if there is a way to comment on it, but if so, please do! We are not simply stuck in the stages of grief. Bill Clinton is not a racist. He does not need to just “get over it.”
Okay, off to my little ones. Have a beautiful day.
Dragonfly Rodham Puma
good morning all. I was amused reading about our golden boy trying to get the independants. I wonder if he has any idea of how many of them were dems. and moved over cause of him. Hahah
I am so glad those of us that cannt go will have a side by you account. I think this is so important and want you all to be careful.Cosmeta great ideas I will help however I can.
We could maybe do something calling bommy a third Bush term.!! he is adopting so many Bush ideas-more than McCain
I laugh my butt off everytime they mention the independent vote, they have no clue ha ha ha ha
#23 doria
Can you paste the e-mail here please?
#23 doria
Following is the email I got after donating yesterday:
Thank you for your generous contribution. We are at a critical
stage in the campaign, and our online supporters like you are
making the difference. The more people we reach, the more resources
we will have to help Hillary win. Send an email to your friends and
family asking them to support our campaign by making a contribution
at http://www.hillaryclinton.com/joinme
If you have any questions about your contribution please contact us at
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/help/contact/
have to go for a bit see ya soon.tcb4n
This is interesting, wonder how Bo will spin it.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/080704/usa/iraq_us_military
#33 hillaryistheone
Thank you, that’s good news, I assume it means Hillary has not given up the ghost
43% of registered Dems not wanting Bo is quite a large number. The man has no substance an people are finally realizing it.
Good morning PUMAs! Declaration Day II is up at my blog, offering tips for our real world citizen action tomorrow. And Sunday is the puuuuurfect day to play Martin Luther to Pope Obama.
Trish, I thought it was 46% of Hillary Clinton voters? That’s 8.3 million voters, for the record…
Bo flipflopping on Abortion rights concerning the mental health of those seeking one.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/legalities/2008/07/obama-sounding.html
Good Morning Pumas!
I had an idea while I was staring at the ceiling last night in my insomniac phase:
How would you feel about leaning HARD on the DNC to release ALL Delegates and Super Delegates from their endorsements and let them vote in secret in August?
I think that would be one way to really throw a kink in Denver!
#39 annabelle
Yes, you’re correct, 46% was registered dems, I had to go back up and check that.
#41 Maryland PUMA
Nice, I love that idea, get back to square one
Cosmeta, GREAT ideas. I can’t wait to go. I’ll volunteer to do whatever you folks need me to do.
I do have a question. I’m trying to organize for people to take pictures of their citizen action on the Declaration tomorrow. I didn’t know that you all had a photo gallery. I was going to try to find a photo hosting site to build a community album, but I wonder if we should just use the one here? I have no idea how to go about coordinating that, but thought you might provide some insights? Thanks!
Maryland….oh nice….how hard would you be talking?
PumaResponders response item:
h t t p : / / isaacs.newsvine.com/_news/2008/07/04/1640057-both-left-and-right-pile-on-obama#comments
About 50 comments so far. Pretty simple site to post at.
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#27 Ha! Are you SERIOUS? Film shoot in Butte? Do you know what Butte is most famous for? During the latter half of the 19th Century, it was the US capital for whores. Yes, prostitution. How apt.
hey trish, goalucard, dragonfly, cosmeta, and everyone!
If you’ve sent me email and i havent yet replied I will be doing so today — was actually away from the computer yesterday for 5 solid hours in a row, so the inbox is brimming.
Cosmeta, great ideas.
Did you all check out the CNN poll at the top? Obama’s support among DEMOCRATS has been sliding FAST in the last month. very interesting. esp when taken with hillaryistheone #33
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/04/clinton.poll/index.html
Good Morning PUMA’s.
#42 TrishfromCanada on 07.05.08 at 9:54 am
#39 annabelle
Yes, you’re correct, 46% was registered dems, I had to go back up and check that.
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I think the article said both 46% of Hillary supporters AND 46% of registered Dems. Perhaps they goofed.
Jy 5, 2008 There has been an update to the CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll I posted prevously. The figure currently quoted for Hillary supporters refusing to vote for Obama is 46% or 9 million, an increase of 2 million from last month’s poll.
Note this is not an online poll but a poll taken in the real world outside the internet.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/04/clinton.poll/index.html?iref=werecommend
Poll: 43 percent of Dems still say they want Clinton as the party’s nominee
Number of Clinton supporters who plan to defect to McCain is down
[ This story does not say how far down the Mc ]Cain group is. Knowing MSM, it could be like a fraction of a point down.
In a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey completed in early June before the New York senator ended her White House bid, 60 percent of Clinton backers polled said they planned on voting for Obama. In the latest poll, that number has dropped to 54 percent.
43 percent of registered Democrats polled still say they would prefer Clinton to be the party’s presidential nominee. That number is significantly higher than it was in early June, when 35 percent of Democrats polled said they preferred Clinton to lead the party’s presidential ticket. [....]
Obama won 59 percent of support from registered Democrats polled in June; now he garners 54 percent.
Have I misread something? Oddly, this seems to say that both 46% of HIllary supporters AND 46% of registered Democrats will not support Obama.
Anyway, 46% is up from last month’s 39% of Hillary supporters, which was 7 million. 46% of Hillary’s 18 million supporters would be more like 9 million.
“These things always take time to heal,” said Bill Schneider, CNN senior political analyst. “I think Clinton’s supporters are waiting to see if Sen. Obama will pick her as vice president. That would certainly be very healing to them.”
HUH? think this one has not been paying attention…:0
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PUMAs strive to be inclusive of all people who are dissatisfied with the political process.
I’ve been receiving emails from a lot of centrist Republicans for Hillary who do not feel welcome on our blogs due to some of the negativity toward Republicans.
There were MANY crossover votes for Hillary, and they weren’t all Limbaugh Operation Chaos voters.
Based on the emails I’m getting, I believe we are striking a chord with ALL voters – regardless of party.
We’re doing a good job including everyone in spite of our explosive growth. We’re being heard.
Remember, our first mission as a PAC is NObama. Be you Republican, Democrat, Green, Yellow, or Red – if you say NObama, you are welcome in our Pride.
MarylandPUMA
Sulk? Is he farking serious? Sulk? Fighting corruption and injustice is NOWHERE NEAR sulking! Grrrrrrr.
Been gone from the site for several days, but recruiting everywhere. Wearing my Hillary pin everyday. When someone talks to me about it, I give them the PUMA website.
Not sure about the secret ballot vote. It might be too easy to violate the ballots. Slip Obama ballots in place of Hillary ballots. The live announcement of delegates is hard to dispute. I’m much more concerned about the DNC trying to negate some of Hillary’s delegates. How can this be legal. They were voted in by us at least in Maryland they were.
They were talking on Baltimore radio this morning that some think Obama will be worse than Bush. That his primary platforms copied Hillary so he could get the vote, but now that he looks to be the candidate he is reversing on many issues (DUH?)
#41 Maryland Puma
Good Morning to you, too!
I don’t think it’s a good idea to do ANYTHING in SECRET when it comes to the DNC. I just don’t trust any of them after May 31, especially if they have deep pockets. I think it’s best to know who we need to deal with in November, if Hillary doesn’t become the nominee. BUT, of course, I visualize that she will be.
Have a beautiful day everyone.
greta
‘Morning Murphy!
#43 Trish & #46 Dawn
I’m taking Firebelle’s ‘non-combative’ inspiration and seeing a flood of phone calls, emails and letters to delegates, super delegates, DNC, media, and the world.
Release the delegates and superdelegates from their endorsements. Allow them to go back to their districts and voters and regroup. Do not pressure them. Let them take responsibility for the role they were assigned to play – be the voice of the voters they represent.
I believe this could be a good compromise for both sides. Hillary and Edwards are still candidates – neither has withdrawn.
I’m also open to suggestions.
I posted this yesterday on the story “Some Clinton supporters still not embracing Obama, poll says” as you can see my comment is STILL awaiting moderation???
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
LOL, CNN why don’t you post our comments????? You would rather post the comments of paid Obama bloggers!!! How can we trust you anymore CNN. You were the ‘most trusted name in news” Now you are a paid pawn for Obama!!!
LMAO, Bill Schneider doesn’t know his donkey from a hole in the ground. We are not waiting for Obama to pick Hillary, we don’t want Obama to pick Hillary. Either way, we wlll NOT vote for Obama…don’t you people get it????? We don’t want Obama, no way, no how!!!
Marylandpuma-You are confusing me. I thought we were Democrats or at least Democrats during the primary that were fighting the DNC. With all due respect to the Republicans I would be afraid that if we have them on the sites there would be more bickering because of the difference in beliefs. Obama supporters have been saying all along that we were Repubicans. and we have been arguing that we are not. I think we need to repost what Pumas stand for and our mission so that people understand who we are and what we stand for.
I guess secret was the wrong word. I meant their choice would be revealed at the floor vote in Denver.
Good Morning Pumas! Buenos Dias! The CNN poll which we know is no friend of the Clintons shows that Hillary supporters are slowly but surely waking up and saying No Deal, we won’t accept nor vote for a bad substitute of a perfect candidate.
I have a feeling that the tide will change before the convention and if it doesn’t the DNC is on its way to a defeat in the general election.
This has been an historic campaign and it may still have a surprising and joyous ending for our candidate.
In order to achieve this end Pumas must continue roaring and reaching out to Hillary supporters every opportunity we have.
I have just posted a reference to the Convention move to my own website,
http://www.cosmeta.com/_Forums/view_topic.php?id=1346&forum_id=57
And place my link here only as a matter of convenience to me. And because I also have to tend to my own site besides posting here.
)
Whatever the reason, I’m happy to click the link and give you traffic, Cosmeta. Going to check it out now…
I probably will not be able to go to Denver. Altitude and I just don’t get along and the medicine makes it worse. But I will be more than happy to contribute to a fund to help others go. What a great idea.
good morning Murphy, You’re forgiven for leaving us here all alone to fend for ourselves. You deserved the break
#58 hillaryistheone: I agree 100% with you. My comments on CNN rarely pass the moderation stage. Especially when I say they should be ashamed of themselves and should elect Jack Cafferty as President of the “Women Haters Club”.
CNN is just another public relations agency of BHO. Shame, Shame on you Wolf, Cafferty and the worst political team of TV.
#16 mcr on 07.05.08 at 9:02 am, WROTE,
[[ “Obama’s seasonally adjusted principles are beginning to pile up: NAFTA, campaign finance reform, warrantless wiretaps, flag pins, gun control. What’s left?”]]
Mr Krauthammer might also have added, BHO has a *history* of elliminating his opponents unscrupulous means. And by that I do mean, besides his Chicago style politics he uses tactics used by his Kenyan relatives to use a cout de ta and overthrow their rivals.
And THAT is not change I can believe in.
Or promote.
#57 Maryland PUMA
“Release the delegates and superdelegates from their endorsements. Allow them to go back to their districts and voters and regroup.”
I like how you worded that, my first thought was “release the hounds. PUMA’s are more than ready for the battle”
MURPHY…. NOBODY DIED… I AM PSYCHED OUT… NO ONE IS GOING TO TELL ME THIS IS BECAUSE I AM SO DISAPPOINTED!!!!…. I am mad… I am hopping mad that they think that they can bamboozle the american public with this simplistic explanation of why we are rebelling and just saying “NObama”. They just don’t get it that its righteous indignation at a corrupt DNC and their “chosen” one… Don’t fall for that psychology crap… remember why we are here and the words of Patrick Henry… he didn’t rebel because he was “dead” disappointed!!!
“It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace– but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! ”
WE will not shut up and sit down!!!
We will not “JUST GET OVER IT”.
WE WILL OVERCOME!!!!
GO PUMAS!!!!
Hillary 2008!!!
#23 doria, that was the same message that I got when I contributed yesterday.
#50 turndownobama
Earlier this week someone posted a poll showing Bo and McCain evening off in the polls. THe article stated the Bo was picking up Hillary supporters. But I meant to post about this and question, if Bo dropped 4% in that poll and McCain rose 2% (I believe I am recaling those numbers correctly for that poll) how can the media claim Bo was picking up Hillary supporters. Because with a 4% drop my question is, if he is indeed picking up Hillary supports then he is losing part of his own support base. And are they going over to McCain or laying dormant. Would be good to know because that will give us 4% or so of ex-Bo fans to work with.
I don’t have the link to that posting but I’m pretty sure I’m remembering it correctly.
If this is the case, we need to find out what % of supporters are moving away from Bo and how do we reach out to them.
# 52 Maryland
Not all of us were with Hillary at the start. I began this process with a preference for any of 3 candidates: Kuccinich, Ron Paul, and Nader. Because I always follow campaigns closely ( local as well as national ) I watched the debates. The defining moment for me was when BO made that immortal statement; “you’re likable enough”. His dismissive attitude caused my PUMA ears to perk up and from that time on I listened very very carefully to not only his words but also his delivery of them. His attitude towards Hillary was at all times infantalizing, dismissive and patronizing, and the feminist in me began to howl. That even in the 21st century opposing candidates, the media, and the DNC believe they can treat a female candidate with such disrespect caused to to head for the nearest scratching post in preparation for the fight to follow. I take the insults and disparagement of Hillary PERSONALLY. It reminds me of so so many times throughout my life when I have witnessed or been the object of similar treatment.
Therefore:
I will NOT vote for a Democrat, ANY DEMOCRAT, until the political atmosphere in the DNC changes.
I will not smile and applaud cause MAYBE my daughters will have an easier time of it.
And NO, I are not going to support the changeling because THEY say there’s a bogeyman out there who might be worse. I’ve heard that before.
The difference this time is the I-net. In previous periods of frustration I would have been howling and growling at the moon alone . . . this time I have a pride. The 1st night this blog went live I signed on and have been purring happily ever since. Together we are louder than our individual voices, and when we issue our collective roar, the opposition becomes very pale and shakey.
They would love to dismiss us but we are growing by leaps and bounds. Hill must be relaxing, recouperating, and licking her wounds while chuckleling.
And NO, we’re not going to reward the DNC, the media,
or the corporate sponsers for misogony. We welcome all who share in our mission to improve our country so that it can achieve it’s full potential. “Now it’s on to Denver and let’s win there.” (courtesy of RFK )
Good morning PUMAs!!!
Murphy and everyone, thank you for fighting on!! And here is my donation for the Denver buses!!!
This email confirms that you have donated $10.00 USD to Puma PAC (murphy@pumapac.org) using PayPal.
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Go Pumas!!!
Have a great weekend everyone!!!
Maria in NJ
I haven’t posted for a while, but I have been lurking. We have got to stop Obama!
FOX news Cavuto business said they have a story coming up on Obama’s sweet mortgage deal and “could it cost him the White House?”
If we could just get CNN to come a round, too. Don’t they care about ratings?
Annabelle #53, right on!
The sexism is SO deep it is often hard to fathmom!
Sulking? Grieving? WTF!
If y’all are interested (which I wager to bet you are), the Chicago Sun Times released some documents from the Rezko trial that show how deep Obama is in this and my hope that he is indicted in the Operation Board Games upcoming trial. PUMAs must show this stuff to everyone you know. It is real, not an internet rumor! I am showing people who are just shocked the MSM does not tell us any of this stuff. Here is the link and Obama mention starts on page 17:
http://www.suntimes.com/images/cds/MP3/prosobama.pdf
Re. Clinton & Obama fundraise in NYC tis week
http://thepage.time.com/2008/07/05/clinton-obama-to-fundraise-in-nyc/
“They will also attend a breakfast at the New York Hilton and Towers held by Women for Obama and the DNC Women’s Leadership Forum.”
“Obama camp officials believe Clinton’s fundraisers could raise $50 to $75 million for him in the coming weeks.”
umyvfxg
mcr, #79, you know what we say to that:
DREAM ON!
you gotta sing it like Steven Tyler though.
#78 csuzeq, thanks for the link to the PDF there. I will be reviewing that info this afternoon or tomorrow.
oops, #80 was roxylikepuma (the 7yo)
#78 csuzeq
I like how Rod Blagovelich, ok I know i’m crucifying the name, is mentioned as well. That church Obama did is copy and paste speech on Father’s Day is Rod’s church. Thicker than theives, the lot of them.
Re:The Denver Group: Keeping the Democratic Party democratic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVQ1I0jOAu8
EDITORIAL – seems even the N.Y. times is back pedaling all…….
1. New and Not Improved Published: July 4, 2008 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/04/opinion/04fri1.html
Senator Barack Obama stirred his legions of supporters, and raised our hopes, promising to change the old order of things. He spoke with passion about breaking out of the partisan mold of bickering and catering to special pleaders, promised to end President Bush’s abuses of power and subverting of the Constitution and disowned the big-money power brokers who have corrupted Washington politics. Now there seems to be a new Barack Obama on the hustings. First, he broke his promise to try to keep both major parties within public-financing limits for the general election. His team explained that, saying he had a grass-roots-based model and that while he was forgoing public money, he also was eschewing gold-plated fund-raisers. These days he’s on a high-roller hunt.
Even his own chief money collector, Penny Pritzker, suggests that the magic of $20 donations from the Web was less a matter of principle than of scheduling. “We have not been able to have much of the senator’s time during the primaries, so we have had to rely more on the Internet,” she explained as she and her team busily scheduled more than a dozen big-ticket events over the next few weeks at which the target price for quality time with the candidate is more than $30,000 per person.
The new Barack Obama has abandoned his vow to filibuster an electronic wiretapping bill if it includes an immunity clause for telecommunications companies that amounts to a sanctioned cover-up of Mr. Bush’s unlawful eavesdropping after 9/11.
In January, when he was battling for Super Tuesday votes, Mr. Obama said that the 1978 law requiring warrants for wiretapping, and the special court it created, worked. “We can trace, track down and take out terrorists while ensuring that our actions are subject to vigorous oversight and do not undermine the very laws and freedom that we are fighting to defend,” he declared.
Now, he supports the immunity clause as part of what he calls a compromise but actually is a classic, cynical Washington deal that erodes the power of the special court, virtually eliminates “vigorous oversight” and allows more warrantless eavesdropping than ever.
The Barack Obama of the primary season used to brag that he would stand before interest groups and tell them tough truths. The new Mr. Obama tells evangelical Christians that he wants to expand President Bush’s policy of funneling public money for social spending to religious-based organizations — a policy that violates the separation of church and state and turns a government function into a charitable donation.
He says he would not allow those groups to discriminate in employment, as Mr. Bush did, which is nice. But the Constitution exists to protect democracy, no matter who is president and how good his intentions may be.
On top of these perplexing shifts in position, we find ourselves disagreeing powerfully with Mr. Obama on two other issues: the death penalty and gun control.
Mr. Obama endorsed the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn the District of Columbia’s gun-control law. We knew he ascribed to the anti-gun-control groups’ misreading of the Constitution as implying an individual right to bear arms. But it was distressing to see him declare that the court provided a guide to “reasonable regulations enacted by local communities to keep their streets safe.”
What could be more reasonable than a city restricting handguns, or requiring that firearms be stored in ways that do not present a mortal threat to children?
We were equally distressed by Mr. Obama’s criticism of the Supreme Court’s barring the death penalty for crimes that do not involve murder.
We are not shocked when a candidate moves to the center for the general election. But Mr. Obama’s shifts are striking because he was the candidate who proposed to change the face of politics, the man of passionate convictions who did not play old political games.
There are still vital differences between Mr. Obama and Senator John McCain on issues like the war in Iraq, taxes, health care and Supreme Court nominations. We don’t want any “redefining” on these big questions. This country needs change it can believe in.
I someone finally noticed the Emperor Has No Clothes?
Or that the empty suit is really the same has no clothes?
There is hope- good to back on line with goanderson, goalucard, (I should have remembered to do golorelai)
oh well, you know who I am – the Ohio lady that will not stop fighting!
#83 murphy
lol everyone and their PUMA wants to have their say!
#74 mpdamon and #76 csuzeq
I am with you mpdamon and csuzeq on stopping Hussein from becoming President. I am so scared though because Hussein keeps leading in the polls, even in a traditionally red state like Montana. This is very scary.
I implore all of you to vote for McCain, no matter how hard that might be. If you sit it out and not vote at all, that practically will be a vote for Obama. A vote for McCain will not be necessarily a vote for him but more a vote AGAINST Obama. If we sit it out, Obama will win this Presidency and will validate all the wrong doings of the DNC.
Ok, Murphy, It’s bad when you draft the kids……. LOL
Not that I haven’t resorted to that lately!
The day Pelosi does her backpeddling (and it will come my fellow PUMA’s) is the day I’ll dance in the streets with such a know-it-all smirk that people will think I’ve gone over the edge
Lorey, #61 — perfectly said!
They are very eye opening!
I have some friends who are obots, but this weekend I challenged them to investigate 1. The state of the housing that Obama helped fund for Rezko to refurbish. 2. The Rezko trial and Obama’s involvement. Then I told them to prove to me none of it is true and also to prove to me where Obama has helped any Americans, other than himself, Michelle, or his corrupt campaign contributers.
I hope they learn something, like how this isn’t all internet rumors. This is a real trial that went on under most American’s noses for 9 weeks! 9 weeks, during the Primary. What other candidate would have had the luxury of all his skeletons being kept quiet????
‘morning, alll-
re: CNN poll. ronkseattle ran an analysis of the poll numbers and concluded (paraphrasing) that Obama would have to find 19 million new voters or garner that many from McCain’s camp, from those who will not vote, and from those who will vote third party in order to win.
44 annabelle on 07.05.08 at 9:56 am, WROTE,
[[ I was going to try to find a photo hosting site to build a community album, but I wonder if we should just use the one here? I have no idea how to go about coordinating that, but thought you might provide some insights? Thanks!]]
I would think the better avenue is to gather the information or gallery here so as not to take people off this site. Each individual would still be free to get their own photo sharing site like myphotoalbum or whatever. Reason being… graphics take up a lot of web space, so best if one or two photos be submitted to this site while the individual can still store tons of photos elsewhere for their own personal use.
If Murphy cannot do it, perhaps on the Action Center site.
#80 Murphy
I thought you were just typing out your anger without actually typing the cuss words :0
re: Schneider’s article. I stopped reading after he said we’re in a stage of grief (see Elizabeth Kuble Ross, MD) and we’d be back, etc.
He also said teh same of President WJ Clinton re: Bill’s coolish behavior toward O. , bill needs to get move on, or get over it.
These folks are so clueless as to be frightening.
Has anyone heard anything else about the Credentials Committee meeting scheduled for the first day of the Convention… or of Geller’s law suit for Florida? Or any other lawsuits that might be out there.
dammit…can’t do smilies…just don’t have the know how for the “old ways”
mpdamon #74 — wow! absolutely. you sound just like me!
“Iron my shirts!” did it for me.
My husband suggested hiring a GoodYear Blip to advertise or sky writing planes.
Murphy-
Good Morning. You have email from me. Thanks
Good Morning Everyone, I am glad *61, is flip-flopping, he also has changed his position on fisa, Iraq, gun control, and NAFTA.
I also, received the letter from Hillary:
Thank you for your generous contribution. We are at a critical
stage in the campaign, and our online supporters like you are
making the difference. The more people we reach, the more resources
we will have to help Hillary win. Send an email to your friends and
family asking them to support our campaign by making a contribution
at http://www.hillaryclinton.com/joinme
If you have any questions about your contribution please contact us at
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/help/contact/
I will never support *61!! Still hoping Hillary is our Candidate for 2008!!
Donated to the buses to Denver–used yesterday’s botton for contributions.
Trish #90, we already know you’ve gone over the edge!
This may anger many of you, but I’m not donating any more money to Hillary. I donated yesterday, reluctantly, to show my support to, and solidarity with, my PUMAs. I do not trust anything anymore when it comes to giving money to the Democrats, of which I am true blue. I will forever support Senator Clinton and pray she is our nominee. I will not vote for Obama in the GE. That’s it for me.
#99 Murphy-
I have always wanted to offer to iron that fool’s shirts for him…with him in them.
cosmeta #100 — great idea!
looking into it.
#106
LOL
headclunker 106
:-0
I’m actually a damn good ironer — one of my few housewifely talents.
My aunt used to iron the sheets because she found it therapeutic. must run in the family.
If a woman had held up a shine “shine my shoes” … media would still be talking about it
texassherry — working my way through my inbox today!
78 csuzeq on 07.05.08 at 10:41 am If y’all are interested (which I wager to bet you are), the Chicago Sun Times released some documents from the Rezko trial that show how deep Obama is in this and my hope that he is indicted in the Operation Board Games upcoming trial. PUMAs must show this stuff to everyone you know. It is real, not an internet rumor! I am showing people who are just shocked the MSM does not tell us any of this stuff. Here is the link and Obama mention starts on page 17:
http://www.suntimes.com/images/cds/MP3/prosobama.pdf
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So it sounds like Rezko had several others make $10,000 donations to Obama and then he reimbursed them. Since Rezko has already contributed the max, this was the way he could contribute more. And something about money laundering? I hope someone can explain this better to me.
110 “shine” should be “sign”
#59 Texassherry
My point is that our goal is to fight misogyny and sexism and corrupt elections and politicians.
Our goal is to fix the democratic process – return it to the way our Founding Fathers intended it.
This election year, actually the past two elections, it’s the Dems who have dug themselves into a hole. Hillary just so happens to be the Dem who was the unfortunate target of the ‘grand unveiling’.
Can we exclude centrist Republicans? Include borderline Dems? Or should we welcome them with the hope that they’ll come out of this centrist Dems?
Murphy has adopted the Voice of the Voters. I can see our mission evolving into one of Democratic PROCESS watchdog.
Right now we focus on the Dems – the misogyny, bias, sexism, racism, ageism that was tolerated and encouraged by the political parties and the media. We focus on the undemocratic process of shoving a qualified candidate out of one of the closest primary races in history.
What happens after November? PUMA Pac will be there to right the wrongs to the democratic process.
Murphy, if I am WAY off base, please correct me. I guess I’m thinking long term. I would hate to see the powerful force you’ve mothered into being go to waste.
How do you comment on the CNN Bill Scheider article?
#106 Headclunker
I’d iron his shirts for him. I bet his pockets are filled with money from “unknown sources”. Would make a nice donation to PUMA
#88
I will be voting McCain if no Hillary miracle happens. I decided a while ago that not voting Obama means accepting McCain as POTUS, so I could just take it a step further and vote, not just for McCain, but against Obama.
I hope all will consider a vote for McCain because I think only if Obama loses in a landslide will the DNC never try this kind of crap again. If Obama loses by a little, the DNC may figure, well, we almost did it last time, let’s see if we can this time in 2012. I never want to go through this crap again!
Landslide for McCain! It can’t just be an Obama loss, is has to be an embarrassing loss!
Murphy – you were amazing on the radio show….so articulate, concise, deliberate and what a commanding presence!
What did it for me with Bo “She’s likeable enough” in that sneering, condescending attitude of his”, tripled and quadrupled and the next five highest things that exponentially have turned me so against this man as POTUS.
Read even more _ my favorite line : We are not his ATM machine….(paraphrase)
Support stops till Barack Obama keeps his word on key issues- (fanatic) fans
BY MICHAEL SAUL
Stop giving money to Barack Obama! Don’t volunteer for him! That’s the biting message from some unhappy precincts of Obama Nation.
A New York Obama backer disenchanted with the Democratic candidate’s post-primary lurch to the center Thursday launched an Internet campaign urging the likeminded to withhold campaign donations until Obama lives up to his promises.
“He shouldn’t take us for granted – he shouldn’t just assume we’re just an ATM machine,” said Bob Fertik, founder of Democrats.com, a group of self-described progressive activists. “We’re enthusiastic about him, but our level of financial commitment is going to depend on his level of leadership on the issues that we care about.”
Fertik started Thursday what he’s calling the “Obama Progressive Escrow Fund,” asking backers to put money they planned to donate to Obama “in escrow.”
Fertik is fired up over Obama’s decision to support counterterrorism legislation granting legal immunity to telecommunications companies that complied with President Bush’s warrantless wiretapping program.
While that issue tops many supporters’ complaint lists, Obama’s comments on gun rights, capital punishment and Israeli-Palestinian policy have also shaken his fan base.
Jake Barlow of San Francisco, who donated $2,000 to Obama and traveled to Texas to campaign for him, said he has called off plans to give $2,600 more and work as a volunteer in a fall battleground state. His reason for sitting on his hands and wallet is the wiretapping flap.
“I thought Barack Obama was different,” Barlow, 40, said. “He’s now starting to look like a vacillating, flip-flopping politician, and I just can’t in good conscience support that.”
Glenn Greenwald, a writer for Salon.com, said, he, too, won’t donate a dime to Obama.
“Obama is jeopardizing himself by fundamentally abandoning his values and positions and angering his supporters,” he said.
Jen Psaki, a spokeswoman for Obama, did not respond Thursday to an inquiry from the Daily News.
Dan Gerstein, a New York-based political consultant and Obama backer, said he believes some of Obama’s supporters are being “unrealistic and bordering on naive.”
“He is trying to broaden his appeal to a larger electorate and to be true to this postpartisan, unifying message that he’s been campaigning on,” he said.
msaul@nydailynews.co
#114 Maryland PUMA
Based on discussions on other blogs, the popular sentiment seems to be to continue PUMA beyond this election cycle.
We’re not going away, even if teh configuration changes.
#48 murphy
I read/heard that many are “ill” with the Virus: “Buyer’s Remorse”
#112 Middle age female
Your understanding of it is very correct. Think about all the money Bo received from oil company employees etc. He must be stupid to think we actually believe those employees en masse donated so much. Logic tells me the employees were gifted the cash to donate, cause we all know how much these big corporations care about the little guy in their businesses and pay them so much they have cash overflow to make such large contributions.
I must share this -
The day my X spouted: “I love the smell of ironing. It reminds me of my mother!” I threw the iron away!
I’m still laughing!
greta
had an advertising idea for when you guys all go to Denver. Get signs placed on the side of the buses with somethng like “PUMA’s ride in the bus , not under it”
#59 Texassherry
These emails have also stated that they are donating and are active PUMAs in stealth. Many of them ARE Pumas, they just don’t blog.
Excerpt:
“. . . even though I’m no longer posting I am doing the things I can to get Hillary nominated and doing everything I can to keep Obama out. I will be contributing to the Denver trip, Hillary’s debt, and P.U.M.A. over this weekend.
. . .I, like many Republicans, thought Hillary was full of it when she first started campaigning. I thought she was just saying what we wanted to hear to get our vote. BUT the more she spoke, the more I started thinking that perhaps this IS the REAL Hillary. What drew me to her was her understanding of the hardship of the middle class. She presented plans that her own party threw aside….plans that would help millions like me.
…Hillary is not like the normal Democratic political figures….she is something bigger than both parties. I honestly feel that she is the one that can bring all of us…from all sides…together.
…McCain is a wonderful man. He puts country before party and has proven that several times. I have no doubt that everything he does in office will be for what he truly believes will be best for America. So 4 years with him is okay by me. Oh…just to make sure you know, if Hillary is against him I will vote for her as will millions of Republican just like me.
…I’m 100% behind all of you! I support PUMA in so much as it will lead to Hillary being nominated. I will contribute to Hillary for her debt and to anything that PUMA needs. I always look at the actions to see what I can participate in as a Republican for Hillary.”
(It was a REALLY long email.)
#23 doria
I received the same message and it angered me to no end!
123 – Good idea, Trish
#122 gordana.hill08
LOL I love that. But I hve to agree with your X on one part, the smell of ironing is yummy in the morning.
#114Marylandpuma
I understand what you are saying and I would imagine that there are a lot of Republicans that would support you on that including my husband.
The point that I was making was that in the About Me page Murphy states that we are Democrats fighting to get our Democratic party back. Also I have read a lot of posts where democrat Pumas are passionate about what the decomcratic party stands for and are only voting Republican as a protest vote. Most Independants are either former Democrats or at least due not have views that conflict with ours. If we let Republicans blog and someone brings up some of the touchier issues such as pro choice, taxes,etc I could see where there would be a real disagreement. Also many of us have been fighting the Obama supporters who say we are Republicans. Anyway this is just MY opinion. I just think that if we change who we are then it should be posted and we should all be on the same page on what we tell people when we recruit them. All of the Republicans that I know would only vote for Hillary as a protest vote because they think McCain is too conservative.
Republicans?
To answer texassherry’s question.
Puma PAC is a political action committee working to reform the DEMOCRATIC PARTY. We welcome ALL Democrats, and believe every Democratic voter in America should be a member so that we can truly be the VOICE OF THE VOTERS in every single election!
We want to be the AARP of the Democratic Party. It’s free, simple, and fun to join. We will ALWAYS stand up for free and fair elections, enfranchisement of ALL Democrats in ALL 50 states, and INSIST that national candidates keep our coalition party UNITED.
This primary season has showed us all how FAR the Democratic party has fallen. We have A LOT of work to do.
Right now, between now and November, our goals are to MAKE AS MUCH NOISE AS POSSIBLE ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE WILL NOT SUPPORT A SELECTED NOMINEE.
If independents and republicans want to join us in that effort, great! We’ll do our best to convert you while we’re at it!
However, Puma PAC is a Democratic effort. We do not endorse, campaign for, or in any way overtly SUPPORT McCain (though some of our members have started to actually admire him, which is of course their right).
These threads will never be a place to insistently sing the praises of McCain. We’re Democrats. Always have been, always will be.
There are absolutely no party tests or any other kind of
prerequisites for joining Puma PAC. No one checks your voting records or asks you to agree to an agenda.
If you agree with our goal to be the VOICE OF THE VOTERS in the Democratic Party, join us and welcome!
I believe MP’s point, which is well taken, is that we DO need Independents to cross over in order to win national elections. Also, there are a surprising number of Republicans who are beginning to admire us — many of them will join our effort in good faith, and they are welcome! Like i said, I bet we’ll convert them eventually!
Our goals have not changed. Our mission has not changed.
Join US!
Trish:
Pumas ride ON the bus not UNDER it and sit WHEREVER we want!
#130 Maryland PUMA
lol I love it
“sit wherever we want” triggers in me images of Rosa Parks
mp — nice image.
We want a seat ON the bus!
reminder — contribute to the BUSES TO DENVER fund!
So many Pumas have kindly sponsored rides for other Pumas that we will soon be able to END the bus fund! Amazing!!
If you haven’t yet sent $10 or $20 please do it now so we can charter the buses this week! Only contribute if you can — unlike some people we wont mention, we DO care how poor you are.
Murphy – LOL
The Rosa Parks thing was intentional DWP!
Lol – AARP must have really done a good job re-branding themselves if we want to be the AARP of the Democratic Party – I can’t think of one person my age who was happy to get their AARP info in the mail.
Discount, schmicounts – we’re not old – we’re boomers and we rock!
My dog is 18 and her name, is Murphy, and she has her AARF card – that’s as far we go…..:)
#135 Lorelai
ROFL……MAO!
Maryland PUMA and Murphy, I just thought of something, I know a place where you can get banners, etc done for very very very little money. I’m going to send both of you an e-mail as soon as I find it, so you can review it in case you are thinking of banners or something similar.
#134 Maryland PUMA
Then your slogan was effective
#135 Lorelai
awww, I have a very large soft spot in my heart for older doggies, you should be very proud of yourself, he must receive lots of love and care from you
#7 mijabsnji
Thanks for info.
He is looking more and more like the emperor with no clothes. This is what the DNC wanted all along, puportedly since 2004. virginia.puma found an article regarding Dem plan since 2004 but cannot find it again. Anyone know what, where this is? thanks
#135 Lorelai
… I remember how shocked and insulted I was when I received my “invitation” to join AARP, a FULL YEAR before my qualifying birthday. The nerve!
They probbaly do that because they know we’re on our way to forgetfulness. (Get them early before their photographic memories run out of film”, etc.)
Awesome Trish. I was thinking maybe Fred could be even more generous…..
#122 Middle age female
The best article on Obama’s Chicago corruption is from Evelyn Pringle. I’ll warn you these are very long:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0805/S00325.htm
Good morning Pumas – justed posted a comment on the NYT page – someone named Sally pushed my button – I edited my first response & am in moderation – will probably not post but here it is:
Sally, you are a poor example to women everywhere – the misogny & crude, degrading references to Hillary Clinton not only made her seem less than human but also reflected on every female in this country – the PUMA protest is more than just anger at how Hillary was treated – it is a protest against the DNC/Democratic party and how they ‘selected’ a nominee rather than elected one & we will not get over it or fall in line – we will remember in November….Nobama
Do some of these women just not get it? It’s the same feeling I get when I read about Hillary’s women supporters getting in line to donate bucks to him – how can they? Let the damn party implode – then we can get it back to what it originally was intended to be – women need to realize just how much power we have – we are over 50% percent of the population
It’s one of those use or lose it type of situations -
okay – that’s my rant for the day (unless I read another stupid comment somewhere)
#144 Susie
you probably will read another stupid comment…they seem to be everywhere
#119 DWP
That was the impression I had – we’re here to stay. Unless the Puma Pride would like to disperse after November????
#146 Maryland PUMA
I was wondering about that yesterday, there will still be so much to do even when this election wraps up, no matter who wins in Denver and then in november, there is so much damage to correct with the DNC. The voters will still need a watchdog.
Murphy! “that we will soon be able to END the bus fund!” Really, that is amazing!!!!!!!! My $15 goes a long way :O
#142 Maryland PUMA
If you can arrange something even better with Fred, then that would be great! I’ll send the info I have as plan B
#146 Maryland PUMA
I expect some will drift away. That’s okay, others will join. Whatever the numbers, we’ll still be watching and making noise.
Gooooooood morning Pumas!
I hope all had a wonderful, fun-filled 4th holiday yesterday. I spent som quality time with family, which always wears me out! LOL.
Anyway, did not know if this had been posted on the blogs here before, but if you’re following Senator Clinton, here’s an AP article that tells a bit about what shes been up to lately – and that is, getting back to work!
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hiNXcWLf88PPK4oOV-kAJkH9BSyAD91LTTO80
Excerpt:
SYRACUSE, N.Y. (AP) — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton delivered a clear message to her constituents Wednesday: I love New York.
Nearly a month after her historic run for the presidency came to a disappointing end, Clinton returned to upstate New York and focused on local concerns — weather-beaten apples, green power and her state’s downtrodden economy.
Along the way, crowds greeted her with standing ovations and chants of “Hillary! Hillary!”
“We find her inspiring,” said Sister Joan Sauro of St. Joseph’s Catholic Church in Syracuse, who was carrying a 2000 Clinton for Senate campaign poster that Clinton had just signed. “What they say about her grace and grit is true. I’m heartbroken that she pulled out of the race … but that means we in New York have her back.”
I guess that obot yesterday got me thinking…..that would STINK with a capital “S” if Hillary got the nomination in 2012 and they took the PUMA tconcept and a new twist on the name and used it against us.
(Yes, I know that Hillary will be POTUS in 2008.)
Must be my proactive long-term planner side kicking in.
Maryland PUMA
One of teh things that frustrates me no end, is that at other PUMA sites they seem to in the initial stages of what PUMA Pac started doing weeks ago ( well, 3 or 4. I keep forgeting we’re only a month old…unbelievable),
like writing to SDs, etc. I sorta wish we’re we all on the same page at the same time, although, waves of email spaced apart will give a better impression of out numbers.
#152 Maryland PUMA
It would definitely stink, but they are looking at it correctly. By 2012 PUMA will be so tightly organized (already the organization behind PUMA is astounding) and cemented that the Bo crowd will never be able to match us. Besides most of those will be out of college by then and hopefully experiencing life in the working world. family world, the world where we all have responsibilities. They will see things through a whole new set of eyes and I suspect will not be Bo’s most loyal fans by then.
#152 Maryland PUMA
ooops meant incorrectly
Maryland… have no fear. We outnumber them, and we’re on thd right (credible) side of the issues.
DWP
I think we’ve been a guiding force in this movement. They’re looking to us for inspiration and direction, and that’s a GOOD thing.
Excuse typos… I washed my hands this morning and can’t do a thing wih them. (groan)
#143 csuzeq -The best article on Obama’s Chicago corruption is from Evelyn Pringle. I’ll warn you these are very long:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0805/S00325.htm
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Very interesting. This sentence should get some heads rolling, and some shoes shaking. If the media does not pick up on this Rezko story – you can bet Hannity will.
“The persons appointed to rig the votes, including those who contributed to Blagojevich and Obama, are cooperating in exchange for immunity or lighter prison sentences.”
Maryland Puma and Trish – my last dog lived to be 20 – they are pound dogs major mutts – I’m very big with the local Human Society and I swear, I love them alive ….When Kelley died at age 20, I was so distraught – I had only been married 10 years at that time and told my husband – you don’t understand, this is the longest, healthiest relationship I’ve ever had!
But I digress…. do think the AARP analogy is good and tell people whenever I can that PUMA’s are about Reform, not Revenge (although some days revenge sounds like it would feel rather good)….
We must keep up the electability watch and write SD’s to remind them of their first responsibility – to vote for the most electable candidate. And even though the MSM would have you believe Hillary been deleted, we know differently and can show them in Denver and leading up to Denver…..
Pick 18 SD’s (one for every million that voted for Hillary) and write them and respectfully tell them we are watching them and waiting for them to vote for the person who can best restore a Democrat to the White House…..The way BO is carrying on, I wouldn’t be surprised if he does implode before the convention. Lorelai – aka golorelai
Maryland, GREAT to know. I’ve been feeling that they have been ignoring us, save a sprinkling of mentions, etc.
It seems that many of O’s flip-flop get press time on Friday… down day for getting the word out
Re: Video, 7-3-08: “Obama on Iraq, General Election Edition,” Joe Scarborough said O(pportunist) has now adopted McCain’s position on Iraq.
http://www.taylormarsh.com/
Another reason why I cancelled by Time mag subscription – Joel Stein has op-ed in Mpls Strib this am – bragging about winning $100 bucks off his mother by betting that *61 would beat Hillary – his comment: “And although some would say it’s wrong for a son to take advantage of his mom’s gambling problem, I think I was showng tough love by taunting her deeply held feminist hopes and dreams in a way that Atlantic City never could.” What an ass – hope his mother gives him a ‘gentle’ slap upside the head – he’s a koolaid drinker but is now playing at websites InTrade & iowa Electronics Markets – seems these sites work like the stock market only people buy & sell candidates’ electability, along with other important world events, like the winner of “American Idol” – WTF?? – he claims these “prediction markets” are plenty accurate – supposedly the InTrade market correctly predicted the winner in each state in 2004 & in 2006 got all the Senate races right. Right now *61-to-win is the favorite trading at 64 compared to McCain at 32
- but this is based on their thinking that we (the disenfranchised) will fall in line & come back………….fat chance……………
ranting again…………………
#30 jane-pa on 07.05.08 at 9:17 am, WROTE,
[[ I am so glad those of us that cannt go will have a side by you account. I think this is so important and want you all to be careful. Cosmeta great ideas I will help however I can.]]
Yes… I think all of us in our own way want to help. But I need everyone who reads my posts to realize that I do not represent PUMA or any of its official positions. I am just one of 18 million making my voice heard; and in the case above just making *posted* suggestions. Whether they get impliemented or not is not up to me.
Just wanted to reiterate that lest I make the wrong impression.
#144 Susie1945 on 07.05.08 at 11:29 am
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There are a lot of women, unfortunately, who do just not get it. Many are younger women who never experienced the major sexism that prompted the ‘feminist’ movement. Some have no idea about what women have had to fight for over so many years to achieve in regards to equal rights and as yet, semi-equal pay, and that struggle indeed continues in many arenas and areas of our country today. For so long women were indeed second class citizens in every sense, but we have come a long, long way. Yet women’s history overall always seems to take a back seat to all the other ‘histories’ in our great country. I have sisters older than myself who were in the streets ‘back in the day’ but there seem to be less and less of these brave women who are willing to stand up and take it to the streets anymore. It’s really a lack of education in my opinion. I do not know how much schools even teach, if anything, about the women’s suffrage movement and the struggles that women have faced over the years in this country. They may teach about injustices to women in other countries, and of course women suffer many times much less injustice in this country comparatively speaking, but we know injustices are still lurking and at times ignored in out mainstream in this country. This primary has obviously awakened that injustice and again brought it to the fore for many, many women (and men). One of our tasks over the long term, may just be to make sure that it stays in the fore. A new generation of women activists and women’s rights educators may have just been born!!! And all thanks to one brave Senator from New York, named Hillary Rodham Clinton.
#133
Well said Murphy. There are those who have to make a decision as to whether to eat or pay their electric bill. Not everyone can afford “five dolla”. How insensitive. I will contribute extra for those of you who can’t. Please donate only if you can. No one in America should have to go hungry.
College student charged with bribary for trying to sell his vote on e-bay. So my question is what about the SD who wanted Hillary or Bo to pay him millions for his edorsement, isn’t that the same?
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/Oddities/080703/K070315AU.html
Ohhhk. Maybe I need to stay off the blogs. I think I ticked everyone off. ??
#164 mcr
McCain and Obama visted the primeminister ? of Iraq independently of each other and the prime minister, when interviewed, said they were all on the smae page. That McC and O were in agreement as to the way to proceed there.
#170 Maryland PUMA
? what did you do (this time? ; ))
#169 Trish – yeah and guess where the idiot is from? right here in Minnesota – lives in Edina – rich suburb of Minneapolis – and I agree, Obama paid off the superdelegates for their votes – so what the hell’s the difference? The college kid did it on ebay & Obama did it behind closed doors??????????????
Good Morning PUMAS,
I’m sorry that I’ve been away from the blog for a little while now. My computer has been on the fritz and is doing better now. I did send the email to the Wisconson DNC Chairman the other day. That makes me so mad when I see this bias with Hillary’s SD’s. Mom and I recievd a survey from the DNC. I’m going to respond like they have would never have thought of. They also asked me for a donation for a minimum of $35. They will get PUMA dollars from me. My money, as little as it is, will go to the PUMAS!!
I would love to go to Denver, but I would need help with sponsors if that be the case. We were told, at the WV Delegate Convention, that the average nightly stay in Denver is $200 nightly. Quite a bit, for me!! I have a loud voice, but not much with the money.
I do want to thank you all again for the prayers for my family friend, Christina McSweeney. She was stablized at the hospital and they have moved her over to the local Hospice House. She has been awake and speaking to the family. She is now being told that she has weeks to live. Please keep her and her family in your thoughts and prayers. She needs as much as she can get!!
Thank you all so much!
Melissa
mpayton23@yahoo.com
Wayne County, WV
PUMA PAC Democrat
#170 Maryland PUMA
You have to stay
We need you. Certainly didn’t tick me off, but if you’re hungry for a little PUMA snack, Murphy can release a troll like she used to do, then pounce pounce munch.
In case anyone has been following the Rezkowatch site, due to the recent problems with Google blogspot, they’ve moved. They’re now at:
http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/
I personally don’t trust CNN as far as I can throw them, their poll may be geared towards keeping NObama supporters from becoming lax.
I am still not able to understand why the DNC got on this losing track.
OK, it would truly be wonderful to have an African-American president, but, with so many other super-qualified AA candidates out there, why Barack Obama?
This leads me to believe that the strings are being pulled only from the NObama side.
Now then, is it only him directing or is there someone behind him? (and I don’t mean his campaign management).
90% of the people I talk to know and feel the answer in their hearts –
the answer is so pure and so simple –
what we need right now is a Clinton solution
we are so much better off dealing with “The Known”
This is not the time to take a chance on “The Unknown” that is leaning towards a Jimmy Carter-type solution. (non-solution)
That would be catastrophic.
#174 melissa
Some are planning on sharing rooms, cabins, rental RVs, etc. 2, 3,4,5, even 6 to a unit, as a way of saving money, traveling frugally.
Also, someone (Zee) suggested checking out Denver Craig’s List for non-conventional temp housing.
Is anyone going to contact colleges in the area to see if they rent rooms?
I found a list of Obama’s lies (60 of them) on the justsaynodeal site. Am printing them out and posting on bulletin boards and anywhere else I think they might be read. Also printing off some of the comments here, minus the posters name, etc.
Many of the senior citizens I have talked with have said there is no way they will vote Obama and are quite staunch in saying they are going to do their part to defeat him.
It’s rather hard to persuade someone who is addicted to MSM and their propaganda. But, fortunately, MSM has given me a tool. Most of us are weary of the war actions in Iraq and Afganistan. MSM has made it known that Israel definitely intends to attack Iran before the election. They are not convinced about Obama and feel he would be less supportive than other candidates. However, Hillary does have an “in” with them. I try to inform people that Israel has never NOT done what they have said they would regarding military action to defend Israel. So, if their intention is to attack before the election, we still have the convention to turn things around, at least buying some valuable time. IF Hillary gets the nomination!!! Because if O gets it, it is quite likely we will be embroiled in World War III before the Inauguration. His flip-flopping is having negative impact on investors and the stock market, also. As reflected by the recession and bear market now occuring. Obama simply doesn’t seem to understand that you can’t make a poor man rich by making rich men poor. It is the rich who create jobs and the rich who are laying off workers now because of uncertainty about the election.
It is exciting to feel part of this movement to restore the Democrat Party to it’s intended structure and to defeating this evil man who forgets he is half white and uses the “race card” in an attempt to blackmail us into giving him the nomination.
Since the primaries, I hear more about what he can do for himself than for America.
Lastly, whatever happened to Hillary and Bill campaigning for him? I am just hoping and praying that Hillary realizes how quickly things are changing and that people are changing their minds, and reactivates. If she does I think the world will be shocked by the amount of finacial support she will receive.
But make no mistake—-Israel fully intends to attack Iran, and once it does we will be commited to our ally.
Think about it and think about how the economy is affecting people already. Recession isn’t good, but far better than Destitution.
#179 mpdamon
Someone said last night, school is in full swing at that time, so college dorms wouldn’t be available
bruce55555
Maybe the DNC is a Republican front…
It’s unbelievable … the US was ready to throw us the keys to the WH and the DNC sabbotaged the opportunity. It’s as if they have some pathological need to fail.
I should have never gone over to read that article (by A. Mooney) on cnn.com ,mentioned in new thread above….Arrrrrgggg!!! I’m sorry folks, but the comments for that article are “closed”. So, will just rant here a bit! Is there anyone in the MSM that “gets it” even slightly!? They are so clueless!! If I hear one more time that they are waiting “for wounds to heal”, or “we are in bereavement”, “looking for neutral ground”, “hurting for our loss”…..It makes me just crazy!! Does anyone out there have even the slightest idea where we are coming from, besides ourselves?? We are not suffering some kind of “loss” or in some phase of bereavement!! (and believe me I know something about bereavement, as I was once a hospice nurse, including for family members…) We have not “lost” Hillary, and she did not “lose” to him. The last phase of bereavement is “acceptance”, which is not gonna happen in my lifetime!! I could go on, but “I’m preaching to the choir” here…I will go back to Cnn one more time to find a place to post a comment, then I’ll never go back there! Now I know why I have the TV off….I don’t want to have a stroke!! Grrroowwwlllll!!!! Whew!
Good morning everyone! Great new stats from CNN! Even though some are still dismissive of our efforts, perhaps that is to our advantage. PUMA’s are cagey –they can quietly sneak up on their enemy or their prey while the prey remains unaware! Then–smack attack! So being under the MSM radar might not be such a bad thing because we have the internet and word of mouth working for us. Also, Cynthia Ruccia is really on this with starting the activate calling system to poll voters.
We are on the move–quietly, focused and powerfully. Have a great day everyone!
Lorelei #161, “Reform NOT Revenge” I Love that!!
May we use it?
#59 texassherry on 07.05.08 at 10:14 am, WROTE,
With all due respect, texassherry; I am a registered republican and a strong supporter of Hillary for President. Should I be expected to leave also? I don’t think so.
My position is, as long as folks who post to this blog are supportative of both Hillary and PUMA all should be welcomed no matter what party affiliation they belong to.
Remember please that all throughout the primary season BHO was getting all the credit for pulling in Raegan democrates and Independents…. Well I AM LIVING PROOF that stance was dead wrong. Hillary was also pulling in Independents and Republicans. Why?
Because WE LOVE HER!
Hillary in ’08
There can be no other!
Republicans voted to decrease Mediare benefits to seniors, disabled, and veterans. This just gets worse as time passes.
I looked up colleges this am…found that the protection agencies Ie: FBI, CIA and the National Guard are going to be set up in many colleges….the 17,000 rooms nearest the convention have been booked by the DNC!!!! :^
Maryland Puma! We all agree to disagree. I’ve read blogs regularly, it is common to disagree when all have different thoughts and are all individuals.
MarciaB
If you’re lurking please check your email. I need info to fix your tech problem
MarylandPUMA
Hey PA4Hill08, have I thanked you today??
Thank you!
Check out the ACTION CENTER friendly lurkers! There’s always something new and exciting. Print out flyers (Many to choose from)
links to superdelegates, newspapers, videos etc etc etc.
http://pumapacusa.org/
There is one media that is always more effective than MSM and that is word-of-mouth. It’s quite apparent by now that MSM has been bought off and the ‘commentators’ are doing what’s necessary to keep their jobs, but folks are waking up to the fact that these commentators have no credential to support them as political analysts. I hope!!!
has anyone tried booking a room yet? my AAA site shows nothing but SOLD OUT
There are many swing states and 100 times as many swing voters. What the DNC and media are constantly forgetting is that a vast majority of people are not diehard party goers… Some of us actually think for ourselves and will vote for a candidate rather than for a party or its platform. I among them.
The only reason I registered as a republican was so my household could get different mailings so we could compare candidates and what they stand for. But both my husband and I often switch party lines when we vote.
New Yorkers and those from New Jersey often will.
Good morning wonderful PUMAs!
#52 marylandpuma:
Good posting, and I would say we need to include everybody that is for our core values:
Country before Party
one person=one vote
transparency in our government
True Democracy
Pro Hillary
NoObama
Get our country back on the right track
Can I get a PUMA response to welcome all those voters, regardless if they are republicans, green, liberterians and/or independents?
Show me your mojo!
#193 DawnE
I just looked on craigslist and there is a motel 3 miles away that still has 50 rooms. There are several other ads as well.
http://denver.craigslist.org/sub/
marylandpuma, wtf?
check your mail.
sheesh.
#193 DawnE
Check out the 5 br home for rent for $600 (craigslist). You could probably get 10-15 people to share that one.
What a f-r-a-u-d. Not a Patriot, more like a major whiner in my book. Patriots are willing to fight for their country, no matter whether they think she has faults or not. I bet this is a result of MO stamping her jackie O inpspired shoe heel in outrage – “Don’t question anything about my husband or we’ll…. or we’ll…sic the good Reverand Wright on you!” After reading this, and being a veteran myself, having actually VOLUNTEERED to serve MY country (even though it there has not been adraft for quite some time now), I can honestly say that this man is not fit to wear a flag pin on his lapel! And yes, I am ‘bitter’ about this flag pin stuff, so I am off to cling to my guns and religion now. Something about this recent display of faux Patriotism to win votes just really burns me! Johnny McCain is looking better and better every day for me. BBL…
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama5-2008jul05,0,5651188.story
Barack Obama now wears his patriotism on his lapel
Jae C. Hong / Associated Press
Tired of having his patriotism questioned, the Democratic candidate has made Old Glory a major visual element of his campaign.
#183 JARinFL on 07.05.08 at 12:05 pm,
If you go to a CNN blog and just mention the name Hillary they won’t post it… And Jack Cafferty blog is the worst.
So don’t waste your time because they censor everything to project a lop-sided view of the world.
It’s all spin kiddo.
craigslist….never even thought about it….
:~
#48 Murphy,
Thank you for the compliment. I do have some computer or webmaster skills so if there is anyway I can help besides posting just give a holla! You have my email address and may contact me anytime… would even be willing to give you my phone number… but not here.
#191 murphy on 07.05.08 at 12:10 pm
Hey PA4Hill08, have I thanked you today??
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Thanks, Murphy! Thank YOU! For starting this thing and bringing out the activist in me that I never knew existed.
I’ve always rather though of myself as a rebel without a cause, but boy, has THAT changed.
#186Cosmeta
My intention was not to offend anyone. I apologize if that is the way it came across. I just needed clarification of what a puma was and what they stood for. Marylandpuma have answered my questions. I obviously misread the about me page and have been blogging the wrong responses to the Obama followers. I too have crossed party lines because I believe country before party but my views and values are more democratic than republican and would only cross as a protest vote. Once again I apologize if I offended anyone.
Good morning everyone (afternoon I guess for those on the East Coast). Just wanted to shout out to some posts I caught earlier before I run out to work.
Cosmeta, all around great ideas, especially having the Denver groups linked to someone at home watching what the MSM is or is not acknowledging.
#7 mijabsnji – no name wanting to give acceptance speech at Mile High. Let him, it’s probably safer for the poor little boy as from what I’ve heard, PUMAS are about to bring justice to the streets of Denver.
#122 greta – your iron story. When my folks were first married they lived next door to my mom’s folks. Everyday my Grandma would come and grab the laundry and do it for them One day, my mom walked in to see Grandme ironing my dad’s underwear. She took the basket and told her she’d better never do that again as he’ll get used to it and she damned sure wasn’t going to be doing it for him.
#135 Lorelai – AARP started sending me membership material at 42 years of age and it just blew me away. How Rude!! My friends thought it was a scream of course.
Have a great day PUMAS!!
Good morning PUMAS.
This is my first comment on your blog. I am a canadian and can’t do much but offer some support and comments.
I watched Hillary since the begining of the primaries and have seen the B.S. she had to take and still take.
I see a turn around before the convention, and if not I am sure the McCain election machine hasen’t even started on BO yet.
#189 MadLogic on 07.05.08 at 12:09 pm
Maryland Puma! We all agree to disagree. I’ve read blogs regularly, it is common to disagree when all have different thoughts and are all individuals.
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Very true! Let us all remember to respect each others’ individuality and right to say what’s on our minds on our Puma PAC site, even if we do not always agree,
Keep up the great Puma work Madlogic!
A cute comment if you will….
You know how men are constantly sporting the notion of a testosterone surge… Well they ain’t seen nothin’ when us women are in the prime of our life and functioning from a menopausal or progesterine surge.
WATCH OUT cause all hell breaks loose.
LOL
My post of yesterday with superdelegages email addresses – hold off if anyone other than sweet Andersen was going to send out emails – many of them have now bounced back to me -guess they are all deleting their addys – sent list to Trish for updates – will continue to find the good ones for us to send -
Sorry if anyone else has attempted – this was my third email to each of them – 2 emails went through – this one rejected on many of them.
Drac
Oh, and in case anyone is wondering….although I doubt it, but I’ll mention it anyway… I was a Republican in my old life, but have voted Democratic since Pres. Clinton, and now maybe fancying myself as a Libertarian! LOL! So our Pumas do come in all stripes (of course we could be confused with tigers in that case, but anyway, I degress…) and ideaologies.
Welcome aboard Bradford – we love Canadians – just ask TrishfromCanada.
Drac Rodham Puma
O(pportunist) e-mailed me again a few minutes ago with a video: “Unite for Change.” I responded to info@barackobama.com: with “Please stop harassing me. I unsubscribed several times, despite my not having subscribed in the first place.”
#209 Goalucard4Hill
Wanted to let you know, I have differnet e-mails from those on the lobby page, so i’ll run a tes ton the ones I have as well tongiht and see how many bounce.
206 Bradford!
Welcome!!!!
Let’s all take a step back and some time off. How about a day of rest tomorrow?!
#208 cosmeta on 07.05.08 at 12:27 pm A cute comment if you will….
You know how men are constantly sporting the notion of a testosterone surge… Well they ain’t seen nothin’ when us women are in the prime of our life and functioning from a menopausal or progesterine surge.
WATCH OUT cause all hell breaks loose.
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Very true! I just happen to be suffering from one of those surges a lot lately and it’s led to a lot of sleep deprivation that makes me a very hard Puma cat to handle! LOL
#206 Bradford
Welcome to PUMA!
#215 heysandy on 07.05.08 at 12:31 pm
Let’s all take a step back and some time off. How about a day of rest tomorrow?!
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Hey, that’s not a bad idea!! MURPHY! You think we could handle a day off?
I know we’d have to likely put MarylandPuma out with a tranquilizer gun to ‘make’ her take a day off from Puma work, but it does seem that there may be a need for some time off.
#206 Bradford
There are a few Canadians here, so you’ll fit right in
Hello, again,
I did check into some places to stay in Denver. There are a couple of places 20 miles away from Denver–a Holiday Inn and another place, but probably a little pricey. There are also a couple plane seats available as well, but not many. The Craig’s list idea is a good one as well.
#208 cosmeta on 07.05.08 at 12:27 pm
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Oh, and Cosmeta, we may want to keep that under wraps about the hormonal thing, we may scare off some of our male pumas! LOL
#207 PA4HILL08.
You guys are great, I’m doing work on my laptop, and when I’m free I read them, last night chat between Antifish and goanderson and other regulars were funny and informing.
WE’RE ALL DIFFERENT with different personalities, some are fast, some are slower, some are funny, some are not, we’re all different but are inclusive, one major goal is NOBAMA.
Some are bery proactive, others like mysel blog now and then, BUT thousands of others read this site, so expect many more individuals out there who enjoy each person’s uniqueness
We don’t have time to take days off
#218 PA4HILL08
We had a lively night last night, it was spent with casual conversations, some light discussion on Denver, and much joking and having fun, a few felt we were not serious enough, but overall I feel it was a much needed bonding time, some people have had their feelings hurts, whether real or not that is how they felt, so time off every now and then is a good thing. Kind of like a refresher.
#206 Bradford on 07.05.08 at 12:24 pm
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Welcome Bradford!
Feel free to visit our Puma PAC action page and get a feel for our many actions that we’ve already taken since our birth a mere month ago! We also have a bunch of other stuff there to keep you busy reading and watching videos for quite some time!
PP Action Center:
http://pumapacusa.org
#218
“Hey, that’s not a bad idea!! MURPHY! You think we could handle a day off?”
There are *no* days off in PUMA.
How about if those people wanting want a day off… take a day off? (Without pay, of course).
I read an article yesterday claiming that HRC’s supporters, PUMA members and the Just Say No Deal folks are working through the 5 stages of grief.
Clearly, a Dr. Phil moment.
According to this analysis? At the end of the process, we’ll all end up in Nirvana [acceptance of what is].
I don’t know. That big growling cat doesn’t look like she’ll turn into a purring kitty anytime soon. :0)
The more the polls show the effect of the PUMA movement, the more detractors will try to explain it away.
Growling is good. Action is even better. And acceptance?
Not going to happen! Not now, not in November.
Hey Pumas,
I probably can’t go to Denver but I will try my best to send a donation so someone can go in my place.
I don’t post very often but want you all to know my heart is with you.
I have decided I will for sure vote for McCain in Nov. after reading a post ( I think on NO Quarter) about how
staying home or writing in Hillary’s name will not keep Oliar from winning.
I can stand Mccain for 4 years if it means having Hillary in 2012.
murphy:
Any word on the t-shirts?
I have not got mine yet…
Hi PUMAs – I’ve been off making comments on all kinds of pages – some posted, some are in moderation, others are probably in cyberhell somewhere and will never show up – ;(
Am taking a little break now to calm down and relax a little – be back later………………….
#223 hillarysitheone
I suggested ONE day, it being a holiday weekend and all. While I understand your position, some of us NEED a day off!
#224 TrishfromCanada on 07.05.08 at 12:37 pm
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Widh I could stay up late with you overnight Pumas once in a while, and if my ‘change of life’ issues with not sleeping well continue, I may just be joining you more!
As of now, though I have to force myself to sleep once in a while, since I still have that darned full-time job on the side. LOL
But yes, it is very good to take some time away from all this political stuff for a while. As long as one needs – to perhaps get a different perspective or just a breather. It’s all good!
Murphy,
Will you please consider using my slogan “NO THIEF FOR CHIEF”, I’m not feeling very comfortable here anymore, but I would like to at least leave you with something you can use, at least I hope you will use it.
TREE
PUMA?
#232
Darn it the sleep deprivation is starting to get to my spelling. Argh!
Widh += Wish
#233 tree
I’m beginning to feel the same way!
#232 PA4HILL08
The comedy show goes from 11 – 2 am EST nightly, admission is free, we do hope you will join us, and have a few laughs, we try to keep it focused and try very hard to not bash, it’s therapeutic.
Some night when you can sleep please do look in, you’ll get trapped and never want to leave
OK, I’m off to take a picture of that monstrasity of a mural (15 ft painting of the empty suit) on the building in Houston. Hopefully, I can convince the buildings owner of the error of their way. At any rate, I plan to hand them a PUMA flyer.
Murphy, did you hear about that mural????
#227 PeggySue
The so-called analysts latching on to Kubler-Ross’s stages of grief as a reason we have separated from the Democratic Party is a level of condescension that I’ve come to expect from them. It’s also sexist. I doubt they’d be hanging on to that “soft” science concept, or words like “pouting” and “sulking”, if they saw this movement as primarily male driven.
Now that we’re caught the attention on the superdelegates, among others, I believe it’s human nature for the supers to tune in to us and read our posts, feel our pulse.
The fair supers, of course, not the ones that took payment or promises of favors, will have no choice but to “see” what’s going on outside their door.
Beyond what was fed to them.
They didn’t have sense enough to go by the will of the voters in their state, now they won’t be able to ignore this mass movement, they’ll have to take a second look.
Hopefully common sense will seep through their brains in time by convention time.
I refuse to believe that they’re that stupid.
We have big mouths, great methods of communication (thank God), great plans that we put into action, and we won’t sit still and take it.
Keep on going on Pumas and someday, someone will listen.
#233 tree on 07.05.08 at 12:44 pm
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What the heck is going on around here?!
Pumas, can’t we all just get along. Murphy and others are working so very hard behind the scenes, at great cost to their respective family lives, just to keep us ALL updated with actions, while also trying to come to terms with how quickly we’ve grown, which was totally unexpected. Not to mention trying to keep the peace on these blogs!
I agree with many that we need a different forum type atmosphere where we may set up different forums for different actions, and forums where we can just hang out with other Pumas and relax. I’m sure Murphy is working on something, so please all, can we just all get along until that happens?
Patience Pumas, patience…
#233 Tree.
I like you slogan. Why are you uncomfortable?
#38 Annabelle: Could you come up with a better, more accurate image of Obama other than “Pope Obama?” Any Pope who changed his position as much as Obama would be defrocked. Ringmaster is more apt or HitlerObama but not Pope. OK?
Oh jesus… let the drama begin (again).
Later.
following #239, I forgot to mention, we are all great Pumas, each and every one of us, the vocal and the non-vocal ones, and we have a super friend and leader who gave us this opportunity, Murphy!
#237 MuchAdoAboutSomething on 07.05.08 at 12:47 pm
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I barely caught the tail end of that mural talk the other night. What or who is on this mural?
And when you get a picture, is it something worth posting on the Action Center?
Everyone: GeekLove08 has posted on YouTube and on GeekLove08 a new video.:The DenverGroup, Keeping The Democratic Party Democratic. It’s great! Please go see it and rate it at YouTube.
#245 PA4Hill08
It is a mural of *61 with the word HOPE underneath. The audacity of that man.
#236 TrishfromCanada on 07.05.08 at 12:47 pm
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Will do! Thanks!
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa???????????????? no pay if we take the day?????
cute….it is hard to take a day….one falls too far behind when that happens…can’t keep up now
#247 MuchAdoAboutSomething on 07.05.08 at 12:52 pm
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Ooooh. Cannot wait to see your picture! I think we may have some Pumas with graphic artist visions for what they could ‘do’ to and with a picture of that mural.
I’d like to propose smething, if people feel they are not appreciated here or uncomfortable or feel unappreciated, can we all agree to send it in an e-mail to Murphy or Maryland PUMA rather than in the blog. I ask this out of respect for everyone here, your issue can be better addressed in private rather than in public.
Accept my apologies if I am oversteping anyone here but it would be good to limit the drama.
#246 NewOrleansPuma on 07.05.08 at 12:51 pm
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Do you have a link?
#216 PA4HILL08 on 07.05.08 at 12:32 pm, WROTE,
[[ Very true! I just happen to be suffering from one of those surges a lot lately and it’s led to a lot of sleep deprivation that makes me a very hard Puma cat to handle! LOL]]
As far as sleep goes… was a nite owl my whole life and will very often function on 3 hours sleep.
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#221 PA4HILL08 on 07.05.08 at 12:35 pm, WROTE,
[[ Oh, and Cosmeta, we may want to keep that under wraps about the hormonal thing, we may scare off some of our male pumas! LOL ]]
Nah… PUMA’S like a fiesty (sp) partner.
It’s them BHO’s that need looking after. I mean… look at what’s happening already; from being emotional whinners we are now berieved widowers. And when someone tries to spin you out of existence it only makes them look bad for picking on us poor women voters. But like the bible says, she who put in two-mites stronger than all the rest. That is to say, women make up50% of the vote and they are AFRAID of us.
I live in Chicago.Please believe me when I tell you Obama has been using old time Chicago political tatics from the beginning.I love Chicago but am ashamed of the political coruption.Rezko was a fundraiser and personal friend to not only Obama but also our Gov.We got rid of the Repulican gov. due to coruption and now our Dem gov is corputed. Read our papers. Mayor Dailey does as he pleases. The Cook County leader Stroger was given the job when his father died.our taxes just went up to 10.25%.How could anyone want Obama when he comes from these roots?Does anyone
really think Obama will change after 20 years of on the job training with Chicago politicians???
I’m not fighting with anyone, I just dont feel comfortable here anymore, I know Murphy is the best and she does know why I feel uncomfortable, I’m not here to cause any problems, it isnt in me to do that, it’s just that things are changing and I feel as if it isnt for the better, something is wrong but I cant put my finger on it, its just a feeling, so sorry if I bothered any of you
#251 TrishfromCanada.
I concur, also hope I’m not stepping over the line.
#233,tree, #235…Everyone has edges. Sometimes in the mix edges push in ways not expected or intended.
PA4HILL08 is accurate. This dance floor is sometimes crowded and each has his or her own specific moves. But in the end and in the middle of it all, we are all dancing to the same music!
Yesterday I spent the better part of the day handing out PUMA slips. I hope you guys are getting more visitors. My only comment is that the front page should be devoted to “the cause.” It is great that you guys are planning your trip. It is needed. I look at your web page from a new visitor’s perspective and would like to see more enticing commentary to start the web page.
Just my thought, but I think it is an important one.
Hope to see all of you here in August.
By the way, I’ll be shortly posting a great graphic on the PAC Action Center that one of our Pumas came up with, as soon as I can figure out a great spot to put it (it deserve top billing).
Will let you know when it goes up.
I also have some other items in the works including some great pamphlets and other information that I tracked down from the National Lawyers Guild (NLG) about the how to’s to Civil protesting/demonstrating. All Puma’s heading to Denver should take a peek at this infoormation before heading out there. It discusses some legalities about civil protests and how to stay safe, as well as what to do should you be arrested, which I certainly hope no one will need in Denver! I’m still working on this, but hope to have it up by end of this weekend.
Stay tuned Pumas!
Great idea william DenverCO!!
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080704_Is_his_campaign_dishonest_or_disorganized_.html
A lovely news article
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/0705satlets052.html
A letter to the editor
#257 william DenverCO on 07.05.08 at 1:02 pm
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Make sure to send these kinds of tips to Murphy. She may not get back to you right away, because things are moving very fast right now, but I know she’s listening!
Murphy – ofcourse you may use it! Go for it!
“Reform, not revenge”….makes us sound much saner, palatable and even though we are making our moves, we are not insane people – we are like Thomas Paine said about “Common Sense’….. Lorelai
william DenverCO, how many of these PUMA’s can stay at your place. I am sure you would have room for say 3 or 4 thousand???
Thank you all for such a warm welcome.
#225 PA4HILL08
I will check that out now.
Good morning, fellow PUMAs! I’m sorry I haven’t been posting lately, I’ve had a really bad spat of the flu (Which I’m beginning to think is more than a flu, but I’ll have to wait until I go to the Doctor on monday).
That CNN poll is great news. Democrats are beginning to have a sour taste in their mouth about Obama. No doubt his recent flip-flops on Iraq and Public Financing have something to do with it. He’s slowly trying to move himself to the right, but he needs to realize that he’s got a huge block of Democrats that aren’t happy with him.
Let’s keep it up, PUMAs. We have to make sure all Democrats have a choice when it comes to their nominee, they don’t have to file behind the SELECTED nominee.
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PA4HILL08: Geeklove08 made the video for The Denver Group. It is now posted on the Denver Group site also
http://thedenvergroup.blogs
I also think The Denver Group posted it under their link on You Tube.
#254 tree on 07.05.08 at 1:00 pm
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Tree! All I can say is that sometimes one has to just follow their gut instincts. That’s how I ended up campaigning so hard FOR Sen Clinton, after initially being a Joe Biden supporter, and also how I came to the conclusion that Sen Obama is just plain wrong for our country, right now and possible always – just plain wrong. And it is also how I ended up here with Puma PAC in the first place.
But if you feel in your gut that what we are trying to accomplish here is just not ‘right’ for you, then perhaps it really is not. But I do know that my gut is also sometimes wrong, and that if I stick things out a bit longer and not let that first instinct take over, then things end up being not really what my gut is telling me. So 99% of time I trust my gut, it’s the other 1% that can potentially get me into trouble if I do not take the time to step back and listen with a different ear for a while.
So I hope you will consider just stepping back and trying to listen with that different ear for a while and see if you start feeling more comfortable with us again. If not, then perhaps it is time to search out a new environ that is more in tune to your individual needs. But we’d miss you!
#267 NewOrleansPuma on 07.05.08 at 1:14 pm
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Thanks! I’ll add a link to it on the Action Center. Give it some love Pumas!
Hi fellow pumas, I would give any thing to go to Denver with you all, I’m trying to get my affirs in order so I can. Don’t know yet, but I’M trying. For you see i”m a Foster Parent First and a Hillary supporter second, and right now i’ve got two great little boys that I just cannot up root. I love this web site and If I don’t get to go I will still contribute so some one can go in my place. GO Pumas
Murphy
about a month ago after Hillary’s concession speech I elected to join your brand new Pumapac blog , made my donation to your site and since then seldomly have blogged and read through the threads. I have checked numerous links and learned some solid informations on OB that so reinforce my intention to never vote for him in my life time . I read his wife thesis and some passages of his book and it was quite an awakening, to say the least. Thanks to your action (combined with other great pumas) I tend to believe that OB chances of getting elected are getting slimmer by the day. He and GWBush give me the same sick feeling in my stomach when they speak and it is just a bad omen. Americans need help and healing from horrendous economic and political situations and The Anti democratic party as co-opted a very divisive figure who has truely reinflammed racial and misogynist issues in the country with the only purpose of getting elected. I will just take a moment to thank you for your honest convictions and your desire to reform a broken system. Gunter Grass said “the job of a citizen is to keep IS MOUTH OPEN”. I think you are a great citizen and I hope promissed to your own outstanding political future. I do not have the time to join you in all your actions but rest assured that I stay committed to your cause and execute some tasks unreported to this blog to make sure that OB will not have the last word. Ultimatly the votes will speak very loudly in November, one to disavow any deal made by the Democratic Party with OB, two to prevent an ill-equipped panderer from governing the world largest democracy.. Democracy was violated and you Murphy in your own rights and courage strenuously said NO to the violation and you have become this Goliath of a long list of rights, women, electoral, civil, and as promissed “you took it from there ” .The ranks of your Pumas are only getting bigger. Charles Peguy said that “tyranny is always better organised than freedom” , and thanks to your group freedom is beeing organised.
So thank you again
Murphy–never mind my e-mail–password’s back.
heysandy #125 Why did the Hillary campaign thank you make you angry? I just thought it was tantalizingly curious that it mentioned her winning and not just debt reduction.
Also, I think many of us were grieving and found a home with Puma, including some Republican and Independent supporters of Hillary. We have been awakened to political action for common goals. That does not mean we agree on every issue nor should we.
Hi all! First time to post. I visit many sites but post little. Just wanted to let everyone know there is another PUMA here. Hope to go to Denver. Not sure at present. If I do Iam going to try to find a place through our timeshare. We do not have many points left to get a condo but if any would be interested in giving money to pay for more points I possibly could get a larger condo to house more PUMAS. I live in northwest arkansas and would be driving to Denver.
Forgive the long post; don’t need to read it all, look at the bottom.
#795 cosmeta on 07.04.08 at 9:46 pm Independence Day
Bill Snyder of CNN said tonight that, according to Elizabeth Kubler Ross said we are stuck in the grieving phase. Ross stipulated 7 stages of death and dying:
1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Acceptance
Ross was the nurse who wrote many books on death and dying and started the use of touch therapy in hospice.
Synder said Hillary has moved on to acceptance but that we are stuck at stage 2. What an idiot.
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Could not continue blogging without responding to CNN’s actions in Cosmeta’s post.
Initially, when I read #795, read what Snyder was saying, I was angry beyond words but THAT IS WHAT HE WANTED. He, CNN, are part of the MSM conspiracy to continue getting ratings on THE STORY of Obama. Great story, more details, more ratings, more money. MONEY. It is in the MSM’s financial interest to skew the truth. It’s the money stupid. Snyder showed how stupid, ignorant, he really is. What the corporations that own the MSM want is MONEY. The networks, all of them, including cable networks, are charging higher and higher amounts of money to cable companies for the broadcast rights. Cable companies pay, pass on to consumer, MSM makes, guess what?????????????????……………………….
MORE MONEY$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Everything in MSM, and politics, boils down to money.
Snyder, in his reference to EKR, misinterpreted, purposefully, her ideas, and her work. EKR was a psychiatrist. Snyder knows this, he is a pollster; he pretends to be stupid but actually is involved in the psychological aspect of political game playing and propaganda. He is part of “the back room” of politics. He knows how to poll to get what his paid clients want; then he portrays it as “news”.
What Dr.Elizabeth Kubler Ross’ message boiled down to (from a local New Zealand television interview with her during the time she was doing a “Life, Loss, and Transition” workshop there, was this: If a person is allowed, given a non judgmental listening space, to speak their truth, they (the person speaking) will experience peacefulness in their life.
Having personally attended around 20 “Externalization” workshops, I know what EKR meant by the stages of grief in the process of experiencing a loss, NOT just death and dying. Her work evolved and is carried on by persons trained in her method, developed and refined in many, many, workshops. Picking one book, one concept, from her many writings is duplicitous.
Snyder, the Obama campaign, the DNC, many politicians- from both major parties, know from experience, how to try and dupe voters, using psychological tactics, subliminal or otherwise. They, the persons involved in both campaigns, now wrongly assume that “the voter” can be duped.
JUSND coalitions, PUMAS, are not the duped kind, by their very actions.
It is the ignorant, scheming stupidity, stupid.
I am not going to get mad, nor even, but ACT, speaking my truth, exposing the truth underneath the Obama-DNC-Party Leaders Veneer. Somewhere in the bible, and other world religion belief systems, is “The truth shall set you free.”
Saying what we mean, saying our truth, acting on it, going to Denver, donating, sharing ideas, protesting at Denver, protesting about what the DNC and Obama are trying to pull at Denver, doing all the amazing things that people have shared having done and will do, SHALL set us free, from being taken for granted. Free from being sheep. Free from wolves in sheep’s clothing.
References:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_kubler_ross
http://www.externalizationworkshops.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Death_and_Dying#Stages
Kübler-Ross model
Stages
The stages are:
1. Denial:
Example – “I feel fine.”; “This can’t be happening.”
2. Anger:
Example – “Why me? It’s not fair!” “NO! NO! How can you accept this!”
3. Bargaining:
Example – “Just let me live to see my children graduate.”; “I’ll do anything, can’t you stretch it out? A few more years.”
4. Depression:
Example – “I’m so sad, why bother with anything?”; “I’m going to die . . . What’s the point?”
5. Acceptance:
Example – “It’s going to be OK.”; “I can’t fight it, I may as well prepare for it.”
Kübler-Ross originally applied these stages to any form of catastrophic personal loss (job, income, freedom). This also includes the death of a loved one, divorce, drug addiction, or infertility. Kübler-Ross also claimed these steps do not necessarily come in the order noted above, nor are all steps experienced by all patients, though she stated a person will always experience at least two.
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Also, it is interesting to note that this model works in other circumstances that do not necessarily fall under the ‘grief’ category. This could include events such as loss of privacy, not getting something that was deserved, or when embarrassing photos are taken.”
6. Acceptance:
Example – “It’s going to be OK.”; “I can’t fight it, I may as well prepare for it.”
JustSayNoDeal, Party Unity My A…: “It’s going to be OK”. : NOOBAMA
I’ve suggest this one before… but instead of taking a day off… perhaps Murphy could set aside specific hours during the day when she can close down the posting to a) give her some time off and 2) give us some extra reading time.
Something that might benefit all time zones.
P4Hill
IT’s not about what your doing here, god, I’ve sent so many emails I have blisters on my fingers, what is being done here is great, I’ve always been a Hillary supporter and always will be, its not that at all, its something else, and its hard to explain, and I hope the pumas will continue even after Hillary gets the nod this year, what you’re all doing is great work and keep it up, but the undertone here has changed, and like I said I cant put my finger on it, but something has changed.
My Opinion
Hi Puma Pals,
Roar is the new rant
I have been a lifelong Democrat and have voted straight party ticket every election.
I will NOT vote for Senator Obama if he becomes the nominee.
I am not in a state of grief, nor hysterical, nor a sore loser. I reject any and all such dismissive and condescending commentary by scoundrels within the Democratic party leaders and pompous media puppets.
My pragmatic reasons for not supporting Obama are the following.
He is simply not qualified, certainly not as qualified as Clinton.
My vote for him would be a sanctioning of the DNC’s antics. The DNC blatantly gamed the primary process to his advantage despite Clinton having won the popular vote. Not a good move. (http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/06/quite-possibly-moment-democrats-lost.html)
He is too shady even for a politician. His associations with terrorist racist homophobic controversial characters such as Ayers, Farrakhan, Wright and his wife, Michelle are easy fodder for the Republican opposition. Add his business dealings with Rezko who was just convicted of money laundering and fraud is frosting on the cake. (http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/and-so-it-begins/)
He is not electable in the general election. He has alienated a broad swath of moderate and swing working-class voters, women and Latinos. He didn’t win the key states CA, PA, OH, NY. His coalition is African Americans, intellectuals and people earning over 150,000 a year — not a winning base.
His health care proposals are not universal (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/opinion/04krugman.html)
He is a con and a narcissist. He has an empty quality. He wants to be liked. loved, adored. He changes with the weather to get that love. Sure plenty of politicians are opportunists and chameleons but take his about-faces regarding Wright and his church, Rezko, public financing — stunning.
His lack of experience and rapid rise just doesn’t feel right. I am worried about where the big bucks are coming to back his campaign. He out spent Clinton 4-1. There is something at work there that I fear is very dangerous. I know politics are always about the back room money handling but he came out of nowhere and was pushed up very fast.
His machine is a little too well-oiled for a newbie (http://130.80.29.3/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/casey/5808894.html)
The intensity of the misogynistic commentary by the media and blogoshpere has offended me.
Obama’s condescension (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Juy9NwI8_i0), arrogance (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004287168_apondeadlinearrogance.html)(http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/2008/06/i-kid-you-not-senator-obamas-campaign.html) and playing up the Hillary hatred completely alienated me.
I repeat, I will NOT vote for Senator Obama under any circumstance. Have I made myself clear?
on the prowl
madazhel
a California Puma
Tree and TrishfromCanada:
I understand your point TrishfromCanada but if someone is picking up on something that isn’t “right” for them, I worry that others are also but just not saying anything about it.
That being said, Tree, please be specific when you make a comment like that. It is only fair to tell exactly what the problem is if you would like others to address it.
Just another perspective!
Welcome to all new PUMAs!
Tree: I often take a little or extended break from all sites. The interaction is simply sometimes too much. In the old days…i.e…we Chilled. Like the ocean, sometimes the mix of wave action can for whatever reasons knock us over or move us in ways we don’t like. So from NewOrleans “Grandmama” Puma, lovely tree (remember I said I would imagine you as a lovely banana tree one of my favorites that grows down here?) to you, tree, think about it! We need you. We need us all…cuz…now you are supposed to laugh here:
Rember what Bo boy says…Ready? We are the change we have been waiting for….!
Bellecat 229 and others:
The shirts and mugs ship Tuesday! Thank you for your patience –it was harder than expected pulling everything together.
Just Added Another Person To My Voting Options
I am considering Voting for Cynthia McKinney. Women , African American and Democrat. 3 4 3 and shes not a FLIP Flopper
Pumas! Give this video promoting The Denver Group’s primary cause – an open DP Convention – some major love!!! Make it viral if we can. Send it in all your emails to friends and fellow contrymen! It is a wonderful message!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVQ1I0jOAu8
I am also posting it on the Action Center because I found it so stirring, and such a call to action not our of context from the P.U.M.A. PAC mission.
Except the funny thing is, many of us have reached “acceptance” of a McCain presidency if Hillary is not elected. At least CNN got it half right. lol
Here is the link to the survey mentioned on the opending thread,
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/04/clinton.poll/index.html
It probably has been posted but it is such a heart-warming read! Except for the schmucks who predict that we just need a little more time to get over our grief, if that is the case the say, then Barry has nothing to worry about.
Let’s show him what he has to worry about PUMAs!!
#273 hillaryhead, I read Kubler-Ross’s book on grief when I lost my brother. It helped me a lot.
Murphy: to clarify, does PUMA get money for ordering T-shirts/mugs through this site? I hope so.
TO tree and heysandy,
What is wrong? As I said in my one post above, I don’t post very often.
Why do you feel uncomfortable?
Puma Vonay
#288 Vonay, did you refer to BO as OB? If so maybe that why
Stella,
Uh no, I called him OLiar.
Ok, that’s good.
Correct me if I’m mistaken, but isn’t Cynthia McKinney the congresswoman who assaulted a security guard at the Capitol? She was irate that he didn’t recognize her and let her pass…even thought she didn’t have her I.D. badge on. She got some very negative press at the time. I think she was from GA.
for FRED,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVQ1I0jOAu8
I think the slogan you are working on should read,
ELECT NOT SELECT
as shown at the end of this video
See timeframe, 2:16 / 3:40
The phraseology here is important because the DNC rules and delegate rules is a SELECTION PROCESS.
So what exactly would we be protesting? A delegate selection or a delegate election. The difference between the two terms might be confusing and you might want to rethink that slogan idea but only because different people are using it in different ways.
I’m from Boston. Twenty years ago, I was a sports fanatic. In the spring, when the seasons overlapped, I had one television set broadcasting the Celtics; another the Red Sox. My boyfriend played for the Patriots. I remember, my friends and I were watching the playoffs between the Celtics and the Lakers , transfixed. We agreed, at that moment, it didn’t matter to us which team won or lost; this was good ball.
Whether our political party affiliation is Republican or Democrat; or whether we are Unaffiliated or Independent, it seems to me, all who are on board with P.U.M.A. are dedicated to making sure that the parties are playing ‘good ball.’
“Obama to accept nomination at stadium”
You know, I almost feel sorry for the Obots. What a logistical nightmare for them….I mean, really fellow PUMAs, will Invesco Field be large enough to contain Obama’s ego? Tsk, tsk.
Something I’ve noticed on a lot of blogs is BO’s trolls going in and trying to disrupt any site that isn’t pro BO.
I have also noticed that on most major news networks only show pro BO news and try to get an anti BO news rebuked by pro BO people.
I think that they are very worried about the movement, yes I said movement, that will see Sen. Hillary Clinton in the WH because she is the only Dem that will be elected this November.
Also is anyone else tired of the old 4 more years of Bush B.S. that BO’s supporters like to say. Like come on already.
Murphy,
Please check your email. I thought that you needed a laugh.
Melissa
WV PUMA PAC Democrat
I agree cosmeta….this is really all about
“Selected not Elected”
Our Hillary never had a chance to be elected. The decision was made before the Primary was started by the DNC to anoint Obama with the nomination!!!
Thank you NewOrleansPuma
Vonay, its hard to explain, but I think I will stay away for a few days.
I know there are some pumas who are working very, very hard, but we other pumas work very hard too, I just feel that something or someones’ is taking over, I sure wish I could explain things better but I cant. I will give it a couple of days from posting and just read the blogs to see if anything changes.
MURPHY, you are a terrific person as everyone here can contest to, you are a miracle worker, I wish you the very best just in case after a few days of just reading and nothing has changed and I really will have to go, you know my reasons, just know your the best Murphy
Alright Pumas, I just sent my email to go to Denver!!! I am so excited, I hope that I can pull it together! I have a tent, a sleeping bag and enough money for baloney sandwiches, but I’m going. I will be camping, so I hope that I will be surrounded by Pumas! I am fifty years old, this is the first campaign I have ever been involved with, and I love it!
My seven kids are going to worry themselves sick, but mom will be alright. I have never gone on a trip alone, but I will have the support of my Puma family. I will admit, I am afraid to be so far from home, but some of you will travel many more miles than me.
Thanks so much for this amazing opportunity Murphy and Pumas, I will never forget this or your kindness in getting me there.
One Love
#281 murphy on 07.05.08 at 1:26 pm
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Great news! Thanks Murphy! Cannot wait to get my Puma mug!
Daddys Darlin , you just brought tears to my eyes. Please repost this comment upstairs.
and, do you REALLY have 7 children? Holy smokes!
Hey All,
Out for a bit — not too long today.
New Open Thread upstairs — please remind newcomers to read the Denver posts downstairs.
PLEASE send an email to gotodenver@pumapac.org and tell us your Denver plans and needs.
Thanks!
be wonderful to each other.
take it upstairs!
#300 DaddysDarlin
Congratulations, I’m very excited for you
Hello pumas….ALERT…T-shirt idea….Just came to me…How about a picture of Dean, Pelosi and Brazille with their fingers up their noses….Caption…..Any chance you will ever pick a winner!
#304 michelle47
LOVE IT!!
#305…WOOHOO
#275 tree on 07.05.08 at 1:19 pm
……….but the undertone here has changed, and like I said I cant put my finger on it, but something has changed.
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#240 PA4HILL08
#233 tree on 07.05.08 at 12:44 pm
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What the heck is going on around here?!
Pumas, can’t we all just get along. Murphy and others are working so very hard behind the scenes, at great cost to their respective family lives, just to keep us ALL updated with actions, while also trying to come to terms with how quickly we’ve grown, which was totally unexpected. Not to mention trying to keep the peace on these blogs!
I agree with many that we need a different forum type atmosphere where we may set up different forums for different actions, and forums where we can just hang out with other Pumas and relax. I’m sure Murphy is working on something, so please all, can we just all get along until that happens?
Patience Pumas, patience…
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#233 tree
Murphy,
Will you please consider using my slogan “NO THIEF FOR CHIEF”, I’m not feeling very comfortable here anymore, but I would like to at least leave you with something you can use, at least I hope you will use it.
TREE
PUMA?
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#235 heysandy on 07.05.08 at 12:45 pm
233 tree
I’m beginning to feel the same way!
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#218 PA4HILL08 on 07.05.08 at 12:34 pm
#215 heysandy on 07.05.08 at 12:31 pm
Let’s all take a step back and some time off. How about a day of rest tomorrow?!
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Hey, that’s not a bad idea!! MURPHY! You think we could handle a day off?
I know we’d have to likely put MarylandPuma out with a tranquilizer gun to ‘make’ her take a day off from Puma work, but it does seem that there may be a need for some time off.
#105 heysandy on 07.05.08 at 11:04 am
This may anger many of you, but…..
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Obama trolls, come out, come out, wherever you are.
Will the real Pumas please stand up.
Any post attacking or forcing their opinion has NOT been in the flavor of the vast majority of honest posts in this site, from Day 1.
This may be another psychological attack, trying to elicit emotional responses secondary to sleep deprivation, stress, pushing individuals’ buttons.
Look at what happened a few nights ago to VA Puma (virginia.puma), Maryland PUMA, and Gofish, the other blog night. Murphy initially defended perpetrator in her gracious way but found out a “Puma”blogger was a spy, troublemaker, an Obamite. Openess breeds participation AND inflitration.
If the content is inflammatory, personal, attack like, baiting like, JustSayNoDeal. Be like a Puma and ignore unimportant prey. Don’t take the bait, you may end up on a hook. You may be CONNED. Your blog interactions can be used for fuel in the Obama, DNC, MSM, campfires.
REQUEST:
I’ve been noticing that some blogs are just beginning to get active as PUMA groups (wanting to channel their energies to manifest change (pardon the expression), but they are just beginning to organize, brainstorm, and most of their ideas are duplications of things we’ve already done and for which we already have the resources. It seems we could save them some time, in terms of reinventing the wheel, by directing them to both PUMApac.org and pumapacusa.org.
So, I’m asking:
Is anyone available / willing to compose something that I could post at various blogs to inform people
1) that we have an Action Center with a ton of resources available (flyers, t-shirts, business card, posters, lists of SDs and media contacts, etc.).
2) informing them of our Daily Growls and Actions
3) informing them of our methods and means of out reach to those who are isolated and unaware of PUMA?
4) the kind of assistance / skills we need and are soliciting for
5) any items I’ve missed.
To the 46% mentioned in the CNN poll, it refers to the number of Hillary supporters who would not support Barack Obama. The second 46% refers to the number of Democratic who would prefer Hillary Clinton as their candidate, though some may well end up voting for BO, if HRC is the not the candidate. The same 46% is coincidental, though odd.
To Evelyn Pringle article of BO and “Broad Games”, no wondered th guy doesn’t have any records of his service to the state of Illinois. Once someone finally connects all the dots (and it appears close), this pretender is finished.
should read Democrats in line 4
So CNN says 46% people who supported Hillary won’t support their guy. Isn’t CNN slanted toward Obama? So I wonder what 46% really estimates to. Anywho I say Obama is in O-trouble.
#41 Was out and just got back, lots of reading to do, but I love your idea!
#299 tree on 07.05.08 at 1:38 pm
Thank you NewOrleansPuma
Vonay, its hard to explain, but I think I will stay away for a few days.
I know there are some pumas who are working very, very hard, but we other pumas work very hard too, I just feel that something or someones’ is taking over, I sure wish I could explain things better but I cant. I will give it a couple of days from posting and just read the blogs to see if anything changes.
MURPHY, you are a terrific person as everyone here can contest to, you are a miracle worker, I wish you the very best just in case after a few days of just reading and nothing has changed and I really will have to go, you know my reasons, just know your the best Murphy.
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obtuse, non specific: “…I just feel that something or someones’ is taking over, I sure wish I could explain things better but I cant.”
thinks M may be naive?, with ? false adoration: “MURPHY, you are a terrific person as everyone here can contest to, you are a miracle worker, I wish you the very best….”
I am going to take my ball home: “…after a few days of just reading and nothing has changed and I really will have to go,…”
poor sentence structure, and mispelling, signs of a troll seen on this and other blogs
waste of blog time, ?trying to take attention away from real PUMA actions, expressions?
looks redflaggy to me
All other REAL Pumas, keep on keeping on, say what you want.
#57 As far as I know, Edwards has withdrawn and released his delegates.
251 TrishfromCanada
What? No drame queens! Shoot.
Looks like each time we read a stupid article, it just riles us up. I can’t believe that now we are being thought of as sulkers, no longer greiving but sulking. Just makes me more resolved to work harder to make sure Obama doesn’t get an easy ride to the White House.
I don’t know if this true story is sad or relevant to effect of Hillary’s campaign efforts, coverage on television, sign of recognition of her growth, or both.
A friend’s friend’s father with advanced Alzheimer’s disease tried and succeeded in leaving a nursing facility but was found before he got too far, before he got in to an unsafe situation.
When asked why he left, he replied that he was looking for the woman on TV. Who was that? “Hillary.”
She made an impression.
The gentleman with the disease has been known all of his life as a “really good guy”.
Pumas are acting for every person who won’t be led by a ring in the nose, including this gentleman.
#299 tree
I don’t see how anyone could be uncomfortable here, we have all come together as one to fight for Hillary, for Democracy, and the rights of voters.There is no one takeing over we all work together, there may be some positions avaiable if you like to be in the lime light, but if you really have the goals we have then you will stay otherwise maybe you should go,
Hi, PUMAs!
There is a great post “PUMA CALL TO DNC DELEGATES” at Clinton Democrats:
http://clintondems.com/2008/07/must-read-and-pass-along-to-all-you-know/
good for sending to Delegates and SD.
Don’t know if you have talked about it already, but just in case, I think it’s a good letter to send to all!
Man, I’m trying to keep all these sites and support groups in order, but it sure has been hard. I recently joined PUMA (and may even have posted once), but now I’m back to try to pay a little more attention, I just find the setup a little harder to follow.
I am member of the Hillary Clinton Forum.net, which is where I get most of my news and do 95% of my posting. I used to attempt to post on Hillary’s main site, but often the posts would not go through. I used to post infrequently on Taylor Marsh’s site, but we all know what happened there. I am also a member of 18 Million Voices – Rise Hillary Rise (MN state organizer), and have donated to The Denver Group, Roll Call in Denver, 18 Million Voices, HCF.net, PUMA and to Hillary. My mind is fried! Does anyone else feel that way? :p
I’m flying to Denver and already have a hotel room, and I’m renting a minivan while there. I’m leaving Wednesday night, how many here will be there through the last day?
Does PUMA have an official stand on what they would like to see happen to Hillary’s campaign? I know at HCF.net, the majority of people do not want O to be president, do not want Hillary to accept VP, still want Hillary to eke it out if possible, and would jump ship and vote another party, or not vote at all if O is the final nominee. There could be some that will eventually vote O (perish the thought!), or would vote O if Hillary is VP (groan), but I would like to know where PUMA stands. Is it pretty much up to each individual member, or do you have an official statement on the matter. Thanks.
Ezzie
sniff sniff
#316 Fred on 07.05.08 at 2:20 pm
We are not grievers or sulkers; we are not fitting in the box others are trying to squeeze us in to.
We are not who they say we are, we are who WE!!!!!!!!! say we are.
We are PUMAS, hear us ROAR!!!!!!
We’re driving up to LA today to drop off the poster for printing.
The vinyl signs that you can also pin on your T shirt with safety pins, brooches, what have you, is still in discussion.
Trying to get bulk qty. for better price – we can share with other websites folks. Unity is strength.
SELECTED, NOT ELECTED was originally Murphy’s idea too.
Go Murphy !
NO THIEF FOR CHIEF
was used for GDumbya
#313 hillaryhead
You accusing me of being a troll or not a “real” Puma is exactly the kind of thing that goes on here that makes me uncomfortable, thus my response to ‘trees’ comment earlier. I have given money to this cause I really cannot afford to give and have contributed to pay down Hillary’s debt after she suspended her campaign.
You should be very careful with the accusations.
Doria #273 I was angry because it did not state the money was going to specifically pay down her debt, that’s the only reason. As I said, I do not trust sending any of my fixed income to anyone in the DP at this point. If you disagree, fine.
I’m taking tomorrow off to reconsider my allegiance to PUMA. Many from PA seem to have left already. It would be a very grave mistake to alienate, dismiss, or underestimate PA in the GE. It could well determine the POTUS.
TO TREE and Sandy…and whoever
I’m not sure what you are talking about.
I haven’t seen any changes whatsoever. We’re all here to support Hillary.
Vonay
PUMA POWER!!
Spoke too soon. Item on Yahoo says Hillary is going to attend 3 fundraisers with Owanna next week, one to help hin campaign for the GE, one to help pay down her debt and another to help him.
Bout made me cry. It is REALLY, REALLY sad to see her supporting HIM!!!!
If someone has an issue they are working through, can the snide remarks and suggestions to leave stop?
Let the person work it out with murphy or maryland puma.
Jabbing at someone one the blog is not helpful or productive. It’s rude.
my ‘fitty cent”
“when good people in any country cease their vigilance and struggle then evil men prevail” P.Buck
“the job of a citizen is to keep is mouth open” G. Grass
As you all know I am new here, but all families don’t agree 100% of the time.
We are all on the same page, we just read that page different sometimes.
Please lets all take a deep breath and remember why we are here, because we must count on everyone come November or we are lost.
#330Bradford
i just got on but i think the thread ha smoved upstairs
also, i agree with your post
#328 goandersen
If I’m going to be unfairly accused of something, I’m going to respond. That’s rude and you do not have the right to dictate what is and is not said on this blog.
Dear Friends,
I’m sorry to see there’s been unhappiness on the blog again this morning. I’ve only skimmed the recent posts, so I don’t know all the history. But I think I understand part of the problem.
We’re all enthusiastic, conscientious, results-oriented Pumas who can’t understand why it takes so frickin’ long for the DNC and others to wake up to what’s happening and to restore sanity by making Hillary our nominee. To us, the answer is simple. Why the heck can’t everyone else see it?
At the risk of speaking out of turn … this is, after all, Murphy’s gig … I offer the following thoughts.
One, let us enjoy the “story.” No story worth reading, no movie worth watching, is without conflict and obstacles. Sure, we wanted Hillary to cinch the nomination months ago, but she didn’t. So this raises the stakes and builds the suspense. When our heroine emerges victorious, it will make her victory that much sweeter.
This turn of events also makes audience participation that much greater. If Hillary had won the nomination earlier and was now up against McCain, we wouldn’t be nearly as energized as we our now. We’d perhaps be more complacent, believing that our heroine could easily defeat McCain.
But look at us. Look at how energized we are. Look at how “ordinary” citizens have stepped into an “extraordinary world” to participate in things we’ve never done before. That’s exciting. And that’s what good “story” is all about.
And when Obama self-destructs before the convention, and our heroine is made the nominee, imagine the increased excitement and frenzy of the come-from-behind race. And we’ll have been a part of making that happen.
So, dear Pumas, enjoy the story about to unfold. Embrace the conflict and the obstacles as part of what makes this story so exciting.
Two, on the issue of our posts, I like to keep in mind that blogs reflect what the candidates inspire in their followers. We’ve seen the hatred in Obama supporters … the hatred Obama inspires in them. Let’s make our blog reflect the greatness that Hillary inspires in us. The compassion. The understanding. The willingness to accept and openly discuss other points of view.
And let’s make Hillary proud. Let’s consider how Hillary would feel if she were reading our posts every day. That doesn’t mean we can’t sometimes be silly or vent our frustrations. (I’ll be the first to admit I sometimes push the envelope.) But if we write as if Hillary were reading everything, we can keep our posts friendly, supportive, and wonderful.
332 heysandy
I wasn’t talking about you darlin.
“when a man says he approved of something in principle, it means he doesn’t have the slightest intention of putting it in practice” Bismark
332 HeySandy
I read someone suggesting that one should leave. That was what I was speaking to.
#333 Firebelle Puma
Well said, Firebell Puma! I second your thoughts!
Hiya Pumas…somebody said above if somebody has poor spelling ect thats a red flag for a troll?…Thats is why i dont blog much on here but my daughter does alot emails ect…Im shocked to see somebody say that!!!
Anyway. I am going to help organize the CA peeps for the March in Denver.
Have a peaceful. Later
HEYSANDY AND TREE
i think i know what both of you are referring to and what you’re bothered by,
however, i keep my eye on the prize which is our girl in the white house and i just focus on that, i don’t know if that is helpful to you but remember that almost everyone hear are really good people and we are in this together. just my two cents.
“America was born of revolt, flourished on dissent, became great thru experimentation” H. Steele
Pumas yous are the daughters and sons of a long tradition
#340 myself
i know my grammar was really bad there. sorry.
#204 texassherry on 07.05.08 at 12:22 pm,
[[I too have crossed party lines because I believe country before party but my views and values are more democratic than republican and would only cross as a protest vote. Once again I apologize if I offended anyone. ]]
No offense taken. And no apology needed. So I hope my earlier response did not give you that impression. My response to you had more to do with how media pundits spun the primary season; and guess I just rode your wave to make my point.
Wow, I’m finally here! Have had a devil of a time processing through Word Press. Finally had to get yet another e-mail client (gmail) and register AGAIN! Mamapuma has posted a, ” what to do if you have problems signing up or logging in”, on the home page. I have seen many complaints on several blogs with people having problems so, please spread the word.
One goal unites us all, we all have a common denomenator, and that’s Hillary Clinton for President.
VERY well said, Firebelle!!!
Your posts are always on the mark!
BRUCE55555
well said!
Thank-you Fl-Debby and Sheila 7
as for go, oh well
#255 tree on 07.05.08 at 1:00 pm, WROTE,
[[... it’s just that things are changing and I feel as if it isnt for the better, something is wrong but I cant put my finger on it, its just a feeling, ]]
If I may. I am a strong supporter of the spirit world and just how often we are connected one soul to another. And I also know that very often, the more “sensitive” a person is, (whether knowingly or not), the more they may be acting as a voice for others. So I strongly advocate speaking up… if not for yourself, then for that other person. IOW, you can be their voice. It also means that sometimes… sometimes if God is giving you something then it must be for a reason. One reason is to share it.
Hillary likes to say:
“If you want to get things done, you have to know when to stand your ground, and when to find common ground.”
#272 veritas09
Nice posting, straight from the heart!
Thanks
Dear Friends,
On the subject of trolls, I was once called a troll at Hillary’s site, largely because people hadn’t yet come to know me. (It didn’t help that less than 2% of my attempted posts ever got through.)
And so, I offer three more thoughts …
One, it’s easy to misjudge someone based on a “snapshot” of their beliefs. Please don’t judge people too quickly. Instead, ask for clarification or more insight on their positions.
Two, sometimes people are in transition. At the point where I was called a troll, I was still of the mind that if Hillary asked us to vote for Obama, I would follow her lead. I have since changed my mind, but it took seeing more of Obama’s bad side and more of McCain’s good side before I got there.
Three, many of Obama’s supporters have only blindly followed this “American idol.” They don’t have good reasons for choosing him. Thus there’s still hope for making them see the light. But we must do it by rationally explaining the facts. Calling people trolls and turning them off to our movement is not the way. So if you suspect that some people are trolls, treat them with dignity, compassion, and respect, just as our dear Hillary would. Bring them into the light. Don’t push them back into the dark.
347 tree
Good Lord. My post was not about you or HeySandy.
Oh Well.
Headlines
Unprecedented turn of events. At the Denver Convention HILLARY CLINTON got the nomination.
Hillary 2008
It just hurts when your judged by spelling and I for one cant spell…Im just 1 ot them rednecks and uneducated lol..hope i spelled right..I dont have spell check sorry
#352 goandersen
you poor thing. i know what you meant and you’re being misunderstood.
355 sheila7
thanks.
I am going to clean the bottom of my shoes off now.
#340 Sheila7
The only thing I’ve been bothered by happened today: being called a troll and not a real PUMA. #313 hillarydead’s post was trunkated, but she singled out one of my earlier posts. I am as focused and committed as anyone in this PAC, and I resent it when someone impunes my integrity, character, and motivation. That’s an Obama tactic. I’m out of here for the day.
#354_fl_debby
i can spell very well but for some reason when i’m blogging i don’t nor do i use correct punctuation usually. i know the feeling and i’m sure i’m thought of as uneducated. oh well what are you gonna do? lol
goandersen
lol.
hey sandy- try to have a good day.
I saw a comment suggesting blogs stop spreading efforts and doing what PUMAs have already dedicated their time to (I’m not quoting it exactly as said, so forgive me). Anyway, I totally agree! I have my blog (http://womenstate.blogspot.com/) but all I do there is mostly distribute important news from PUMAs, news regarding BHO’s flip flops and lies,some of my produced videos regarding this campaign and my thoughts on these issues. My main leader is PUMA and Murphy. I suggest to Murphy and our leaders to write a letter and distribute it to all these blogs with the purpose of uniting all of us on the most important issues: Writing to Delegates, trip to Denver, etc. In other words, we are all doing this hard work for one purpose: getting Hillary back where she belongs! I, for one, have the PUMA logo on my blog. I write about us and spread our news and concerns. I am not leading anyone, I am spreading PUMA on a joint ticket.
As I don’t have my grandbabies today, I’ve had time to get on here some this afternoon.
I wanted to post this poem and will post it upstairs also.
If we can fight together, we must strive together
If we can play together, we must pray together
If we can plan together, we must stand together
If we can cry together, we must try together
We must strive together, if we can fight together
We must pray together, if we can play together
We must stand together, if we can plan together
We must try together, if we can cry together
The future of man is built on a plan
Of working together whenever we can
So “if” must stand so tall
And “must” alone, cannot fall
For together, forever we bring
The best, the good of it all
James Weldon Lane
358 sheila…yes most time fingers work faster than the mind or for me my fingers go on strike at times
Thanks Bellecat.
I mean it
Hey all you crazy cats, Posting infrequently is not necessarily a red flag for trolls…Some like me may be computer illiterate..I certainly am…Some of you speak so eloquently and maybe others don’t feel that they can..Some just like to read and not speak…I love reading here, I don’t always jump in…And I am not a troll…Hillary lover through and through…Nobama ever.. You are all great..
Meant to say others feel they are not as eloquent..therefore they can’t not can…
#333 Firebelle Puma
I agree with you 100% – we need to keep our eyes on the ball and not comment on every single thing we read by our fellow PUMA’s. Bite our tongue once in a while – otherwise, we will never keep on track. Channel our energy towards the positive.
Sometimes I cringe and have to admit I feel embarassed to read some of the more personal posts here. But I bite my tongue and scroll on to what I want to spend my time on.
Lets re-group and re-focus. Murphy can only do so much
and we need her for the important stuff.
michelle 47
well said!
Ha Ha- Do you Pumas think that all the kiddies who joined Obama’s team because it was (COOL) are now waking up to find being sensible has now become (Cool) and they went and joined the wrong (COOL) side? Yeah Puma’s (Rock) and besides kiddies we’re(CooL)
#333 Firebelle Puma:
Thank you for bringing some insight and inspiration to our daily growl!
It’s good and healthy to vent out emotions, but afterwards take a deep breath and get back ontrack.
Stay “Focus” and “Frosty”.
Luv you’ll! my fellow PUMAs
Hello all, am reposting this link from csuzeq because it is MAJOR….
http://www.suntimes.com/images/cds/MP3/prosobama.pdf
mention of Obama is on page 17.
Sheila7….Thanks darlin”
#333 Firebell – brilliant! You said it perfectly.
If I may…I’ve said this in the past, but I think its worth repeating.
This is a very exciting and chaotic process. The chaos is a necessary part of creating something new. There is also an urgency to what we are doing because the convention is only 5 weeks away.
It’s important not to take ANYTHING personally, but focus on the stated goals. The discussions spread information and help all of us refine our own positions.
We are making history here. We will make associations with each other that will last a lifetime. My child is in grade school, but you better believe she is watching. Someday I’ll have grandchildren, they will know the grandmother stood up for our democracy. That mean much more than any of us can measure.
The cause is greater than anyone of us. We are pebbles in water.
“At the bottom of things, most people want to be understood and appreciated.”
Buddha
I just joined Pumapac yesterday. Have known the pac has existed for over a month now. I was waiting to settle on my strategy prior to committing to Puma.
I just accept there are trolls everywhere. When I am in a mood, the mood to rant, I just go back to No Quater. Ranting at the trolls has helped me to process how I will will vote, IF HILLARY IS NOT OUR NOMINEE.
My wholehearted committed fight for Hillary has never wavered. I have fought voting for McCain, though fully understood the strategy. My plain was to “Write Hillary In” or Nadar, again, IF SHE IS NOT THE NOMINEE.
I understand the reasoning that such votes are wasted votes, though I will never accept any vote is wasted in the big picture of our democracy. I am leaning toward McCain now (though the thought still makes me want to vomit). Again I was waiting to find some peace in the strategy of a McCain vote before I joined PUMA.
I just wanted to introduce myself in full, before I start posting more at PUMApac. I understand how NEW names can make all of us skeptical. Many, many know me from Hillaryclinton.com, and recently I have found that core familiar base at hillaryvillagers.
So there’s me in a nutshell. Sorry for the long post, but thought it best to share more of myself before I start posting more.
Oh, and I will often misspell words and have bad grammar occasionally. This in no way reflects that I am not committed to Hillary and the goal of Pumapac. AND I WILL BE GOING TO DENVER!
I need to go for a while but I want to leave everyone with nice thoughts and we are one family that needs to come together so let’s do it adn stay strong. We are making progress!
#364
#”all crazy cats”
this blog is a new tower of babel. We are all different yet with one goal. We have all different means to this goal, yet we will attain it. This forum is inclusive of many opinions and we are working toward a real unity not a my A## unity. So dear pumas take a deep breath and meditate on Hillary 08
#372 goandersen…absofreakinlutely!!!!!!! and some brains work faster than fingers,so comments are bound to get muddied up and misunderstood. I appreciate all of you!
Regarding the trolls…when they make themselves known, Murphy tosses them to the curve. Don’t give them the time of day!
NEXT!!!
376 Gay Gal
Hi ya. Yes, gay gal is one of us from HRC’s site.
Glad to see you again my friend
hey you guys, arent you going upstairs?
Fred
I like
“Claws for a Cause”
Thumb our whiskers at the sexism and jar the unconscious Oedipal in all of them. LOL
This story hit yesterday and is some of the best news yet for Hillary. It looks as if the “WORM”, is turning….
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/04/even-the-new-york-times-editorial-board-turns-on-obama/
ALSO at Philly.com:
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080704_Is_his_campaign_dishonest_or_disorganized_.html
AND at Boston.com:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/
Spread the word guys and gals, especially to our sister sites as everyone needs to know this. Fight on!
#271 tillerylakelady on 07.05.08 at 1:16 pm, WROTE,
[[For you see i”m a Foster Parent First and a Hillary supporter second, and right now i’ve got two great little boys that I just cannot up root. ]]
My instinct tells me that this convention is going to be nasty… so I wouldn’t suggest that any of you bring young children. Then again, that’s just me.
I also find it hard to spell perfect holding onto my faith and dreaming of hunting and stuff. According to BO I’m just bitter.
by the way GO, I’m very sorry
#174 MissyD77 on 07.05.08 at 11:56 am
Melissa, thanks for the update re: your family friend Christina. I’ve been thinking about her and wondering about how she’s been doing.
MJ
#272 veritas09 on 07.05.08 at 1:16 pm…
Great post.
BRAVO, kiddo!!!
I have an art show coming up in the SLV area of CO on 12 and 13 of June. If any live in that area find me. (The SLVFF Fest.) I am a metal artist and often have on dirty overalls and a bandanna and flip flops.
Off to do some more art. I am so not ready for this show. Have been blogging way too much!
#389
Thx Cosmeta.
“and then we win”
thx to your dedication
Hey Darragh,
..
I wanted to be sure you know the DNC is toying with the idea of ending the convention EARLY..not as originally planned.
here is the link to the story (if this has been already posted 1000 pardons)
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-trailconfab3-2008jul03,0,6789486.story
I believe we need an ad showing Obama as being the third Bush Term. Since he got past Hillary useing her platform he is clinging to Bushes issues more than McCain.
is there a way to check out the new people he brought in and is bring in now. So many states found dead people voteing but is anything being done about it? Can we see that his new people are checked?Maybe we could volenteer if they would let us.
#275 hillaryhead on 07.05.08 at 1:19 pm, WROTE TO,
#795 cosmeta on 07.04.08 at 9:46 pm Independence Day]]
Thank you for recognizing that post.
#28 Dragonfly, has now supplied us with Bill Schneider as the corrected spelling as he followed Murphy’s link this morning.
It was an outrageous thing for Mr Schneider to say was it not. Then again, he’s been promoting outrageous things this whole primary cycle. But you know what… I think he is reading this blog for him to make up such a ridiculous tale.
I would like to thank you for the research you did on Dr.Elizabeth Kubler Ross’. Do you know how she got started. She was doing a project of some kind and only thought it would take a couple of weeks. So she went into one hospital and interviewed her first patient she could find who was willing to talk to her. You see, prior to that, the hospitals, administration, doctors and nurses all told her, this is a place of healing and people do not die here. But she finally found that one man willing to talk to her. Yet because of her busy schedule she told him she would be back. Well, loyal to her word she was the very next morning only to find out that he had passed away at 3am in the morning. It was then that she realized that people do not die on our time but their own. And that propelled her to do her lifelong work along with Stephen Levine.
To the person who asked the other day if she was still alive… I really don’t know… I think she is but you could probably do a web search as hillaryhead did… and wikipedia a good place to start.
Thanks for the post.
WELCOME CYBERFERRET – I KNOW YOU WILL LOVE THIS SITE.
Alucard Rodham Puma
TREE : We are using “no thief for chief” on our poster.
Lets all hang in there. If Hillary were to give up at the slightest bit of insult, discord, misunderstanding, backstabbing, etc etc etc – she would have been out of the radar a long time ago. She is an inspiration to me.
I think she is an inspiration to a lot of us on this blog.
We can give her a fraction of what she gave us. Lets make her proud !! Damn it !
CYBERFERRET – Go back to HOME and Repost your comments on the first new thread about Voters – they moved everything over and I think most people did not see your post –
Thanks
275 hillaryhead,
[[ {Schneider}, the Obama campaign, the DNC, many politicians- from both major parties, know from experience, how to try and dupe voters, using psychological tactics, subliminal or otherwise. They, the persons involved in both campaigns, now wrongly assume that “the voter” can be duped.]]
One more comment on this one, please….
Throughout a major part of this primary, I could never understand why the DNC and party elites were trying so desperately to get Hillary out of the race. Oh, sure it was because of money and the racial aspect of chosing the first Black President; but there was another reason.
They knew that the longer the primary, the longer we would all be interested in RESEARCHING BHO and his background. Well, I think they feared that most of all. They feared it because they were trying to save it for the General Election… but we fooled them now didn’t we, because PUMA’s are not blind followers; and we actually do know our stuff. ~smile.
See you folks later tonight…
I need a break from reading and typing
Re. #40 – It isn’t surprising that he is starting to flipflop on abortion. During the primaries his website never stated his position on “women’s rights” the way our Hillary’s did. It seems his backers assumed he was pro-choice because he was a Democrat.
Hi all, my daughter just called me and they are having the women’s olympic volleyball playoffs tomorrow in Boulder, Colorado, at the CU football stadium. It is being televised on abc national tv. Her and my grand daughter are going to make a big PUMA poster with a panther on it and follow the cameras around and put it on TV! They are also printing out our flyers to pass out. The game is on tomorrow morning so I will be watching.
In the CNN article reporting the latest poll showing that 46% of Clinton supporters are not voting for BO, Bill Schneider says this:
“These things always take time to heal… I think Clinton’s supporters are waiting to see if Sen. Obama will pick her as vice president. That would certainly be very healing to them… If he doesn’t pick her, a later stage of grief is depression and then acceptance,” Schneider said. “In the end I expect Clinton supporters will accept Obama…”
Oh OK… so if Hillary’s picked to play second fiddle at the foot of Master Barookie then the terrible grief and depression that we’re going through will just dissolve into acceptance. We’ll just resign ourselves to what the DNC and the party wants us to do and go out and vote for BO.
And how deeply insightful for CNN’s senior political analyst to imply that the reason we’re reluctant to vote for BO is because we’re currently overtaken by grief and depression! I wouldn’t doubt if his image of us “pouters” is of a bunch of depressed, helpless-feeling menopausal women!
I think that we NObama Clintonites (women and men of all ages), rather than being in grief-depression, are more in a place of *energized conviction* born more out of anger (or outrage) than anything else. It’s a “fighting spirit” that’s been evoked by what happened during the primaries.
The poll is good news, given that it was taken a week after the BO/HC ‘Party Unity’ event in Unity, NH… and it confirms that there are a lot of disgruntled Clintonites out there. We need to do all we can to spread the word about PUMA and the Just Say No Deal to energize them with the resources and support they get in our coalition and to prevent some of them from resigning to BO, as Schneider expects.
#401 Pumetta
according to the way Hillary Clinton was treated I don’t have to wonder about OB positions on any women issues. I know.
I personally am offended by CNN’s analysis… Hillary didn’t die… it began a new movement … one that had to be started if we want our democracy to continue.
I am not in a grief ridden angry state… disappointed in the DNC and their “chosen one” … and I am proud of you all no matter who you are for seeing the same things and sharing that with your “family” here. So let’s get on and do what we can do…
I talk to everyone I know now… I more vocal about my privilege of being an American citizen. Everyone here … even if there are trolls … are educating themselves and learning… and there ain’t nothing depressing or disappointing in that… so stop CNN and stop analyzing and listen to our voices… we can speak for ourselves..
LISTEN TO THE ROAR……. ROAR PUMA’S!!!!!
HILLARY ’08
We should all digg this article so we can gain awareness in digg nation (aka Obama web territory ).
http://digg.com/politics/PUMA_s_Declaration_of_Objections
Here’s another good article on BO’s flip flops and how McCain is benefiting from it:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1041130,CST-NWS-obama05.article
Thanks Goalucard4Hill, will take your advice re-posting. Happy to be here at last! I am so proud of everyone and feel there is truly hope for our country with so many of us standing together. Off for now. Will be lurking around all the cyberholes to see if I can find anything to bring here to help further the cause.
Morning all,
I have a question for everybody…is there contact information for Hillary’s main donors? We could write/e-mail these folks too. If we don’t, they may not be fully aware of the groundswell out here. The media intends to silence us (as seen with the difficulty in being heard on any major news outlets.) I can’t stand the thought of Obama being “rewarded”, with Hillary’s main donors after his behavior. Please kick this around some and if enough of you think this is a good idea….lets.
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