Comments on: Independence Day http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/07/04/independence-day/ People United Means Action Sat, 10 Sep 2011 03:24:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: MountainSong http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/07/04/independence-day/comment-page-31/#comment-39178 MountainSong Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:50:02 +0000 http://blog.pumapac.org/?p=184#comment-39178 Folks, Listen to what Zee, #1522,1532 is saying. It's right on target. We have to stop the bickering and infighting amonst ourselves and not sound like a bunch of chatroom drama queens who threaten to leave and then lurk awhoile and come back cuz they just can't resist saying something else. That has to stop and should NEVER have started. Much work has been performed to organize and establish our own base and such a shame it wqould be to see it all implode. We absolutely have to create an opening, perhaps with a combined campaign of convincing Obama's core that he is flip-flopping because he is just another amateur politician with no experience. And a strong campaign aimed at the SD's over the fact that Israel WILL attack Iran before the election if Obama gains the nomination and we will all DEFINITELY vote McCain to prevent or delay that happening. Hillary, at least, has Israeli support. And remind them of the consequences to us all if that attack occurs and how we, the public and voters, will feel if that attack occurs. Because, make no mistake, if it does, we will see "change' alright, change that the Owanna never even though of how to address. We are playing hardball here and if we don't stand for something, we will fall for anything and Zee has made the most pertinent points tonight. The Party may be divided but WE must be united within our group. I understand how easy it is to waver under fire. It's hard for me to contribute to reducing hillary's debt when I see her helping Obama's campaign. But I realize it for being part of an overall strategy. But, between now and August Convention is when the rubber meets the road for us. So we MUST present a united front above all else. No more $$ for the DNC, and yes, we WILL vote for McCain before we will see this scam artist, Obama, elected. Folks, Listen to what Zee, #1522,1532 is saying. It’s right on target. We have to stop the bickering and infighting amonst ourselves and not sound like a bunch of chatroom drama queens who threaten to leave and then lurk awhoile and come back cuz they just can’t resist saying something else. That has to stop and should NEVER have started. Much work has been performed to organize and establish our own base and such a shame it wqould be to see it all implode.
We absolutely have to create an opening, perhaps with a combined campaign of convincing Obama’s core that he is flip-flopping because he is just another amateur politician with no experience. And a strong campaign aimed at the SD’s over the fact that Israel WILL attack Iran before the election if Obama gains the nomination and we will all DEFINITELY vote McCain to prevent or delay that happening. Hillary, at least, has Israeli support. And remind them of the consequences to us all if that attack occurs and how we, the public and voters, will feel if that attack occurs. Because, make no mistake, if it does, we will see “change’ alright, change that the Owanna never even though of how to address.
We are playing hardball here and if we don’t stand for something, we will fall for anything and Zee has made the most pertinent points tonight. The Party may be divided but WE must be united within our group.
I understand how easy it is to waver under fire. It’s hard for me to contribute to reducing hillary’s debt when I see her helping Obama’s campaign. But I realize it for being part of an overall strategy.
But, between now and August Convention is when the rubber meets the road for us. So we MUST present a united front above all else. No more $$ for the DNC, and yes, we WILL vote for McCain before we will see this scam artist, Obama, elected.

]]> By: murphy http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/07/04/independence-day/comment-page-31/#comment-38070 murphy Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:09:59 +0000 http://blog.pumapac.org/?p=184#comment-38070 Morning All, Still with the family, but checking in. Morning open thread and Denver Reminder up. Take it upstairs! Morning All,

Still with the family, but checking in.

Morning open thread and Denver Reminder up.

Take it upstairs!

]]> By: ladyhawkke http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/07/04/independence-day/comment-page-31/#comment-38068 ladyhawkke Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:00:05 +0000 http://blog.pumapac.org/?p=184#comment-38068 I got this from Hillary Clinton news. -- For legal reasons ~ please fill out this form so that your money will be redirected appropriately. Otherwise your monies donated to www.hillaryclinton.com may be returned in time. GO TO: http://www.hillarycampaign2008.com ~ FILL OUT THE FORM. PLEASE GET THE MESSAGE OUT. http://hillaryclintonnews.blogspot.com/2008/07/alert-if-you-have-donated-please-read.html I'm a little confused as to why this form would be going out rather than the one to retire her debt. I just printed out the retire the debt form and mailed it to Maggie Williams regarding a $25 check I mailed to the campaign office on 6/29 without any form. When I contributed the $20.08 yesterday, I did use the proper form for retiring the debt. What's going on? I got this from Hillary Clinton news. — For legal reasons ~ please fill out this form so that your money will be redirected appropriately. Otherwise your monies donated to http://www.hillaryclinton.com may be returned in time. GO TO: http://www.hillarycampaign2008.com ~ FILL OUT THE FORM. PLEASE GET THE MESSAGE OUT.
http://hillaryclintonnews.blogspot.com/2008/07/alert-if-you-have-donated-please-read.html
I’m a little confused as to why this form would be going out rather than the one to retire her debt. I just printed out the retire the debt form and mailed it to Maggie Williams regarding a $25 check I mailed to the campaign office on 6/29 without any form. When I contributed the $20.08 yesterday, I did use the proper form for retiring the debt. What’s going on?

]]> By: turndownobama http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/07/04/independence-day/comment-page-31/#comment-38067 turndownobama Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:03:13 +0000 http://blog.pumapac.org/?p=184#comment-38067 Maybe one factor is that Pelosi hoped to get donatiosn for the DNC by ending the contest early. But that isn't happening. Even Obama isn't bailing them out. So when they see they've sold their souls to the devil and aren't even getting paid.... :-) Maybe one factor is that Pelosi hoped to get donatiosn for the DNC by ending the contest early. But that isn’t happening. Even Obama isn’t bailing them out. So when they see they’ve sold their souls to the devil and aren’t even getting paid…. :-)

]]> By: turndownobama http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/07/04/independence-day/comment-page-31/#comment-38066 turndownobama Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:01:29 +0000 http://blog.pumapac.org/?p=184#comment-38066 #1528 Zee on 07.05.08 at 4:50 am Marc Rubin, who works with "The Denver Group", says that 175 delegates switching to Hillary would nominate her. (That's about 25% of the SDs, and the other delegates may be able to switch on first ballot also; certianly they all can on second ballot.) I don't think the media narrative is the main thing, though. Pelosi, Reid, etc twisted arms to get many SDs to go to Obama in early June. Something would have to change that. #1528 Zee on 07.05.08 at 4:50 am

Marc Rubin, who works with “The Denver Group”, says that 175 delegates switching to Hillary would nominate her. (That’s about 25% of the SDs, and the other delegates may be able to switch on first ballot also; certianly they all can on second ballot.)

I don’t think the media narrative is the main thing, though. Pelosi, Reid, etc twisted arms to get many SDs to go to Obama in early June. Something would have to change that.

]]> By: hillfan4mccain http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/07/04/independence-day/comment-page-31/#comment-38065 hillfan4mccain Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:00:44 +0000 http://blog.pumapac.org/?p=184#comment-38065 #1522 cont.... as you said pledging now to vote for McCain before the convention. What I had heard yesterday, is that it has been made clear with all MSM interviews that we are standing together protesting the election. BUT what has also been made clear is we are going different directions with our voting. #1522

cont…. as you said pledging now to vote for McCain before the convention.

What I had heard yesterday, is that it has been made clear with all MSM interviews that we are standing together protesting the election. BUT what has also been made clear is we are going different directions with our voting.

]]> By: hillfan4mccain http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/07/04/independence-day/comment-page-31/#comment-38064 hillfan4mccain Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:56:20 +0000 http://blog.pumapac.org/?p=184#comment-38064 #1522 turndownobama Well said. I stated earlier today in a post the buzz from Nancy Pelosi' office. "We are a threat only if we vote McCain, we are not a threat if we stay home". A friend who works for Nancy and a BO supporter herself was telling me that yesterday. Votes can be a powerful force together if they are not diluted. #1522 turndownobama

Well said. I stated earlier today in a post the buzz from Nancy Pelosi’ office. “We are a threat only if we vote McCain, we are not a threat if we stay home”. A friend who works for Nancy and a BO supporter herself was telling me that yesterday. Votes can be a powerful force together if they are not diluted.

]]> By: Zee http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/07/04/independence-day/comment-page-31/#comment-38063 Zee Sat, 05 Jul 2008 09:04:31 +0000 http://blog.pumapac.org/?p=184#comment-38063 1473 Taffy: I’m thinking of what happened with evan bayh specifically. he was a staunch hillary supporter… sen from indiana. he even had conference calls to try and line up sds behind hillary. somehow he got turned and is now behind bb. how did that happen? ====== Same way as staunch Hillary supporter Barney Frank now claims for Obama. The media narrative. "It's all over" --- you can't buck that. They determine the "reality" that is reported. I'll bet both of them would be back to Hillary in a FLASH if there were an opening. The opening has to be starting with the media narratives of Obama the flipflopper angering his core base...and PUMA standing strong for Hillary. If we create a new narrative where the media starts to speculate what if it's not over...what if the tide has turned for Hillary now...only then will there be enough of a backdrop for those Hillary supporters to act and make an impact. Otherwise, they will go along with the "united" bs. They need a CONTEXT. Arguments on Hillary's expertise and ability have no bearing at this point, sadly enough. What the SDs need from us is CONTEXT. A new scenario they can be part of. 1473 Taffy: I’m thinking of what happened with evan bayh specifically. he was a staunch hillary supporter… sen from indiana. he even had conference calls to try and line up sds behind hillary. somehow he got turned and is now behind bb. how did that happen?

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Same way as staunch Hillary supporter Barney Frank now claims for Obama. The media narrative. “It’s all over” — you can’t buck that. They determine the “reality” that is reported.

I’ll bet both of them would be back to Hillary in a FLASH if there were an opening. The opening has to be starting with the media narratives of Obama the flipflopper angering his core base…and PUMA standing strong for Hillary.

If we create a new narrative where the media starts to speculate what if it’s not over…what if the tide has turned for Hillary now…only then will there be enough of a backdrop for those Hillary supporters to act and make an impact.

Otherwise, they will go along with the “united” bs.

They need a CONTEXT. Arguments on Hillary’s expertise and ability have no bearing at this point, sadly enough.

What the SDs need from us is CONTEXT. A new scenario they can be part of.

]]> By: Your northern neighbour http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/07/04/independence-day/comment-page-31/#comment-38062 Your northern neighbour Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:57:15 +0000 http://blog.pumapac.org/?p=184#comment-38062 I"ll try that. Thanks Zee. I”ll try that. Thanks Zee.

]]> By: Zee http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/07/04/independence-day/comment-page-31/#comment-38061 Zee Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:52:59 +0000 http://blog.pumapac.org/?p=184#comment-38061 1527 northern neighbor Go to the sidebar and explore the action site. There are emails of PUMAs who help run this site. Email Murphy or one of the others and ask them to send your contact info to hillaryistheone. 1527 northern neighbor

Go to the sidebar and explore the action site. There are emails of PUMAs who help run this site.

Email Murphy or one of the others and ask them to send your contact info to hillaryistheone.

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