UPDATE 7/2/08 AT 6:45PM: THEY SEND EMAILS. Received this lovely in email just now. Stay classy Obama Movement; stay classy:
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BARACK OBAMA RECEIVED A DEEPLY DISCOUNTED INTEREST RATE ON HIS $1.32 MILLION MORTGAGE FROM A POLITICALLY CONNECTED SUB-PRIME LENDING COMPANY, ACCORDING TO THE WASHINGTON POST AND ALL MAJOR NEWS OUTLETS. FROM THE POST ARTICLE:
“‘The real question is: Were congressmen getting unique treatment that others weren’t getting?’ associate law professor Adam J. Levitin, a credit specialist at Georgetown University Law Center, said about the Countrywide loans. ‘Do they do business like that for people who are not congressmen? If they don’t, that’s a problem.’ “. . .
“‘It’s certainly safe to say that this borrower [U.S. Senator Barack Obama] did better than average,’ said Keith Gumbinger, an HSH vice president, noting that consumer rates vary widely. ‘It’s a good deal.” . . .
“Jumbo loans are for amounts up to $650,000, but the Obamas’ $1.32 million loan was so large that few comparables are available. Mortgage specialists say that many high-end buyers pay cash.” . . .
“Since 1990, Northern Trust employees have donated more than $739,000 to federal campaigns, including $71,000 to Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
“Obama’s house purchase has been a source of controversy. In 2006, the Chicago Tribune reported that on the day of the closing, the wife of Obama’s longtime friend and fundraiser Antoin “Tony” Rezko closed on an adjoining lot that had been the estate’s side yard.
The Obamas bought the house for $300,000 less than the asking price of $1.95 million, while Rezko’s wife, Rita, bought the neighboring lot for the full asking price of $625,000. Rita Rezko later sold a portion of the undeveloped lot to the Obamas, enlarging the senator’s yard.
Tony Rezko already had been linked to a grand jury investigation involving public corruption. Last month, he was convicted of 16 counts in an influence-peddling scheme that reached the highest levels of Illinois state government.”
READ THE REST OF THE NOT VERY SURPRISING TALE AT THE WASHINGTON POST, HERE.
OBAMA SUPPORTERS, CAN YOU HEAR US NOW?!?
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#236 Fred… I understand completely your point of going “big”… and here is my answer:
1) Until this coalition began coordinated efforts between these blogs, we could NOT get our message out… no matter how “news-worthy” it was.
Now we are getting coverage, dedicated blogs on more major news services.
2) To play into the smear campaign is exactly what Obama’s camp and the DNC would like us to do. (makes us look like a bunch of finaticals… just like they have done) It is back-firing on them, now.
PUMAs are Not the “uneducated, backwoods, bitter lot that they want to make us out to be. Conversely… we have been educated on the controversies of Obama looming since last year… we could not get heard because of the Smear campaign going on from the Obama camp to quash the information.
I don’t know exactly how you envision this “library” of information on Obama being run, but the Obama camp would like nothing better than to have an “open-access site” that would post garbage and pin it on PUMAS.
We are smarter, now… we have learned from the best on how not to be at “integrity”… it is biting them in the rear now and the news is:
There are far more people out there than Obama, the DNC and the Media are reporting that are saying:
… “pssst, I won’t vote for him, either”…
…we are just the voice of a coalition, seen and unseen…
…We don’t have to keep postng the “bad news” about Obama… he is bad news… people are not as stupid as he and the DNC make them out to be…
… and when you play around with people’s democracy… in America… you WILL get burned!
This new post is exactly the hypocracy that he is being found out about… Now the major news organizations are strating to expose hin..
Why Now? because of this site and hundreds of others, blogging their hearts out, writing letters, and doing the grassroots thing around that “machine” that is starting to to need more than a little oil, filter, and plug job!
is this the new upstairs?
I think i found the stairs all by myself. I was upstairs - the mortgage fiasco with Resko was out about two weeks ago on either CNN or Fox.. I think CNN. It showed Obama’s MONSTER MANSION that he calls home.. these are the same people trying to tell us that they are ordinary folks like us. What an insult.
I am faxing to protest Wisconsin Dem Party bullying of” Debra Bartoshevic as a Delegate for Hillary Clinton. Senator Obama’s tactics are anti-democratic “
So that’s how it works, the more money you have the better deals you get. If you don’t have money you get ripped off. Hum!!! interesting….
So Nobama got a great deal both with the mortgage home and with the land owner that was no other than his pal Rezko.
I say that this guy is disqualified to be president because at a minimum he has very bad judgment. Imagine this character answering a 3:00a.m. call.
God have mercy.
I’m wondering if we need to focus more on people outside of the internet. Those who feel shammed by the DNC but don’t know what else to do. We need more demanding voices before August.
Does anyone here live in / near San Diego? Let’s get together and hit all the summer festivity venues in this, and surrounding counties. There are literally thousands of vistors to this city at any given time, especially during the summer months.
I am a new member of this PUMAPAC. I live in CA and hve always been an independent or “declined to state” voter. I marched against the Iraq war even when my strong, loyal democratic representative was for it. I supported our efforts in Afghanistan and still sadly but vividly remember 9/11!
I voted for Gore, and just barely supported Kerry with a vote and donation to get Bush out of the WH but 51% of Americans said he was no problem; I am starting to get over Bush as I have with a few others, including the Iraq war vote issue.
now…to get real here..
I have been supporting Hillary for over a year now even though she was not my first choice; my first choice was Evan Bayh from Indiana. Yes, he was there for just a few months. I did not like any of the 17 candidates with the exception of Biden, Hillary and McCain. But I gave all to Hillary once I met her and saw her in the debates. I campaigned in many states for her, the last one in Montana. I needed a month to just “get over it” and assess my feelings and while I have gotten over the initial anger, I have become more determined.
But today I join PUMA PAC officially; I like being in a PAC and I will lobby anybody who I can do protect the PUMAs from “The Hounds of Obamaville”
#236 FRED
BRAVA! BRAVA!
Ok, that was embarrassing…I was downstairs on my soap box all alone…
Anyway, I’ll repost my rather lenghty response to Fred from downstairs –
#236 Fred on 07.02.08 at 1:15 pm
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Fred. I have to say. I do agree with a lot of your viewpoints and have actually been feeling that a bit lately as well - are we doing enough, or are we just repeating the same mantra over and over and having it fall on deaf ears as you put it. Successful grass roots efforts have to at some point physically be out and about, in the streets, making a very visible statement of cause. Visibility makes people have to face us, have to listen to us, have to actually think about what we’re saying. It is so easy to just delete an email, ignore a fax or letter - and therefore ignore the message, especially if it is one they are not keen on hearing. We seem to be falling into the trap, here in our safe blogging world, where many of the very people we need to ‘reach’ are never going to see/hear our message. We need to be physically organizing and mobilizing, we need to be actually knocking on the DNC’s door (in Chicago) requesting meetings with them to air our complaints, we need to be holding motivated and loud demonstrations (in numbers large enough to be noticed) at events large and small. Indeed, this is precisely how the BO campaign has gotten as far as it has - by physically getting out there among the people. So we need to be fighting fire with fire (sorry about the old cliche but it seems to fit). At least some of the money that we’re putting into P.U.M.A. PAC could be and should be used for these purposes - to actually get boots on the ground across the country in our efforts.
But we also need to keep in mind that we are still in the initial growing stages, so this blog - as a place to throw out ideas and such, and the efforts of our members in posting flyers and writing letters to editors, etc - is also of much value to our efforts. But I do agree that it is soon becoming time to get off the blog and into the streets so our Growls will actually be heard by the very folks who really do need to hear them! And so they cannot ignore us!
By the way… Obama’s mortgage deal has been in the news for weeks now… so “breaking, breaking” seems sorta umm… dated.
1 wontbackdown…You tell ‘em! Awesome!
#8
“But we also need to keep in mind that we are still in the initial growing stages,”
Granted, but the convention is less than two months away…
Fred,
There are many websites already in existence which are dedicated to archiving negative information on Obama. We do not need to waste time duplicating efforts and I don’t think it really fits in with the Pumapac goals.
While many of us have the personal objective of stopping Obama, to make that an official goal of Pumapac would diminish our credibility. We cannot lose sight of the fact that we are seeking reform, not revenge. To that end, we must stay focused on righting the wrongs that occurred in this primary through the demand for change in the process.
Obama is doing a fine job of self-destructing and if any of our actions nudge him along, well that’s just icing on the cake.
#6 DancesWithPumas on 07.02.08 at 1:44 pm I’m wondering if we need to focus more on people outside of the internet. Those who feel shammed by the DNC but don’t know what else to do. We need more demanding voices before August.
Does anyone here live in / near San Diego? Let’s get together and hit all the summer festivity venues in this, and surrounding counties. There are literally thousands of vistors to this city at any given time, especially during the summer months.
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You go Dances With Rodham Pumas!!!!!
LETTER SENT!
IT’S ALL ABOUT ACTION!
RISE, PUMAS, RISE!
Wow, look who contributed to Obama for his presidential campaign?? BTW, I checked and they were not a big contributor for Hillary-so it was clearly one sided.
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638
Google Inc $315,714
#7 nighteyes,
A hearty welcome to the Pumas!
I’M IN MIAMI, FLORIDA
AND I AM IN—–
LET’S GET VISIBLE!
Sent in my fax.
repost from downstairs:
has anyone gone to hireheels today…hysterical…flip flops are out…now it is:
hireheels says:
Kerry owns Flip-Flop* — HireHeels is Branding Obama as SHAFT…or
SHIFT depending on the controversy - can be used singularly,
hyphenated (shift-shaft), as a moniker, as noun, as a verb, as an
adjective or an adverb…so get creative bloggers - flip-flop is
sooooooooo yesterday and it’s so not sticking!.
[*replaces the term: Flip-Flop cuz peeps only wear 'em on Nantucket]
The front page says - Who’s the Cat that wont cop out? When there’s danger all about……the answer is Pumas…digg it? and the song is Shaft! roflmao
#14 PA4HILL08, repost from downstairs,
That’s a good point and a great idea DWP and who wouldn’t want to spend the summer in San Diego????
I would love to, but I will be in San Fracisco in August. Anyone know if anything PUMA is going on there?
#16 pa dem,
Hummm….. Might that explain some of the website problems that have been occurring?
#7 nighteyes, welcome to Puma Pac! You have a lot of friends here that share your anger and feelings about how the DNC has split the “Party”.
BO’s judgement: loyal to a fault
“When asked by the Tribune why he didn’t break off the relationship, Obama said Rezko “gave me assurances that he was not doing anything wrong” and “my instinct was to believe him.” Given the range of information that was available at that time about Rezko’s activities, it must be said that Obama was loyal to a fault.”
OK, Pumas, I really have to get some stuff done. Later!
Antifish Rodham Puma
Its not the same Obamortgage that I thought it was!!! Everyone I know lives in multimillion dollar homes. Oops! Did I say that? I meant to say that I help feed the poor and live modestly. My house is fitted with light efficient energy bulbs. I only eat specialty store food half of the week. My kids are cutting back on their $10,000 piano lessons. I drive a Prius. I don’t know criminals. Sweetheart deal? Whatever could you mean? I’m the obamessiah! You may not question me or else I flip-flop you to death or I’ll feed you to Michelle.
Someone needs to blast the media and get them to report this blatant unethical dealing. I have gone and sent emails to all the major TV anchors. Obama can’t get away with this too.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/108607/Gallup-Daily-Obama-46-McCain-44.aspx
Ruh-Roh, Obama’s support is steadily falling. And just think what kind of effect this mortgage story could have.
From a Puma PAC-er who cant log in yet:
“I am writing to you as a lifelong Democrat regarding the issue of Debra
Bartoshevich. We are all well aware by now that the party is trying to strip her
of her delegate status at the convention because she exercised her right to free
speech by noting her plans to fulfill her responsibility as a delegate and vote
for Clinton at the convention, while as a personal citizen, plans to vote for
McCain in the fall.
Why should Ms. Bartoshevich be stripped of her delegate status? It is her right
to vote for whomever she chooses in November, as it is the right of every citizen
including all of the delegates at the convention. Will you now create a precedent
whereby all delegates must take a lie detector test and state who they plan to
vote for in November. And should any of their decisions not be in accord with the
DNC’s preference, they will be outsted, as well? Delegates are not obligated to
answer to the party regarding how they vote in November. And, the last time I
checked, free speech was still one of America’s greatest rights. Has the DNC now
decided that it’s ok to chip away at that right here and there, just a little bit,
just this time, just in this or that situation as is politically convenient? If
so, the party surely does not embrace my values, nor does it appear to abide by
the law of the land.
The Democratic party has shown through their efforts with regard to Ms.
Bartoshevich and in so many other ways this primary season, their willingness to
behave in outrageously autocratic ways. It appears as if their desire for unity
(or the apperance of unity) trumps all else, resulting in decisions and behaviors
that are arrogant, at best, and in direct conflict with our basic rights, at
worst. Because of this, I will be leaving the party as it is no longer reflects
my core values and I can not longer say I ama proud to be a Democrat.
I urge you to remember who you are as an American and not get lost in the tunnel
vision of the moment. I hope and pray that you and other decision-makers in the
Democratic party will have the personal backbone and integrity to do what is
right. It would be one small healing step to mend the unfathonable damage that has
been done.”
#7 nighteyes,
Welcome, no really…WELCOME!
You’re gonna like it here.
#6 DancesWithPumas
I’m in agreement with you I do think more needs to be done to reach people offline. I also agree that there is not much time if there is any chance at all of making a noise at the convention.
I don’t know how that will work out, but I just wanted to say that I think you have it right there.
PumaAllie Rodham
Welcome nighteyes!
IF ANYONE IS IN THE MIAMI, FLORIDA AREA AND WANTS TO COORDINATE A MASSIVE PUMA SIGN UP AT A MALL OR ANOTHER PUBLIC LOCATION, PLEASE LET ME KNOW AS I HESITATE TO DO IT ALONE.
I WANT TO GET VISIBLE. I WANT THE LATINO POPULATION TO SEE WHAT *61 IS ABOUT NOT GET GUIDED BY MISLEADING MSM INFO.
THANKS!
************ PUMA ALERT *************
The Daily Growl is out. Check your email.
MarylandPUMA
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#11 ABinNY… Thank you!
#9 PA4HILL08… & Fred… I want you both to know that I agree that we need to start enlarging the ROAR out in the “PUBLIC ARENA”…
Just remember… we (this forum) were 30 days in the making, yesterday…
Until we got the numbers behind us, the exposure that we were not going away… the articles saying that we are becomming “a problem, now” we had nothing to point others to for credibility… we would have looked “small”, unthreatening, and most important, not big enough to back those that may have been afraid to get on the train… just look what is already happening to those politicians and delegates who have stuck with Hillary…
They needed a force large enough that could publicly stand behind them with enough of a threat to get their own voices heard and their own positions respected with the DNC leaders and their counterparts in their own states where Hillary won the decisive vote.
We are in new territory with our Democratic leaders… But, we are no longer in the aftermath of “shock and awe” anymore. We are organizing, becomming self-funded, and making a difference to those voices that thought “it was over”.
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Going to fax my letters, now.
the HOUND site is still up!!!!! search “hound rendell” and it’s at the top of the page. I’m thinking I might join just to see what’s going on and then report back. What do you think guys? Stupid or worth while?
#13 antifish on 07.02.08 at 1:49 pm Fred,
There are many websites already in existence which are dedicated to archiving negative information on Obama. We do not need to waste time duplicating efforts and I don’t think it really fits in with the Pumapac goals.
While many of us have the personal objective of stopping Obama, to make that an official goal of Pumapac would diminish our credibility. We cannot lose sight of the fact that we are seeking reform, not revenge. To that end, we must stay focused on righting the wrongs that occurred in this primary through the demand for change in the process.
Obama is doing a fine job of self-destructing and if any of our actions nudge him along, well that’s just icing on the cake.
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In Fred’s defense - a site as in question, does not need to be directly associated with PUMA PAC at all. Like I stated in an earlier post - I already own several nobama domain names just like I own the domain name for the Action Center (pumapacusa.org), just have not decided what to do with the nobama domains yet. And since I am not an official or on the board within the PUMA PAC organization, I can pretty much do whatever I want to do with my domains/sites which I personally own. Of course there would be no reason why the PUMA PAC members could not link to that site once it was established, referencing it strictly as another informational “talking points” resource. In other words, as I see it, what I do with my personal website(s) has nothing to do with PUMA PAC’s goals or integrity, just because I am a member of PUMA PAC. Now if I were to represent PUMA PAC, like putting the PP logo up on my nobama website, then what transpires on that website may have potential to reflect negatively on PP. That would not happen under my watch.
Does any of this make sense. I just thought Fred had another good idea that needed some defending.
The corruption goes deep.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/02/chicago-billionaire-industrialist-on-board-of-obamas-mortgage-provider/
CHANGE THAT IS FULL OF LIES.
CHANGE THAT HELPS BILLIONAIRE INDUSTRIALISTS.
CHANGE THAT MOVES JOBS TO MEXICO.
CHANGE THAT GIVES OBAMA CHEAP MORTGAGES.
CHANGE WE WON’T TAKE!! NOBAMA!!!
Getting beyond the internet: On a previous thread some suggested looking at the local newspapers for a simple three line ad directing directly to blog.pumapac. Many communities have small local papers where the cost may not be too much for many who care to place ads. I forget which thread it was where how to simply submit the three line suggestion. Does anyone remember where that was?
#262 on other blog - Hotsky - thank you - will put him on my list as well.
Alucard Rodham Puma
http://kiser.newsvine.com/_news/2008/07/02/1632060-an-exclusive-interview-with-will-bower-founder-of-puma-party-unity-my-a
(Interview with Will Bower of JustSayNoDeal.com on Newsvine.
PUMA Radio, tonight at 7PM EST
Interview with Cynthia Ruccia of Women for Fair Politics
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT/2008/07/02/No-We-Wont-and-Cynthia-Ruccia-of-Women-for-Fair-Politics
this should probably be pinned in the first post?
antifish: While I would never say that the campaign contributions are absolutely the reason we’ve been having issues, I would say that if a=b and b=c, then a=c, and this lends credence to our issues.
34 hotsky,
the HOUNDS are history..it’s all about the PUMAs now!
#30 mimi1020 on 07.02.08 at 2:00 pm IF ANYONE IS IN THE MIAMI, FLORIDA AREA AND WANTS TO COORDINATE A MASSIVE PUMA SIGN UP AT A MALL OR ANOTHER PUBLIC LOCATION, PLEASE LET ME KNOW AS I HESITATE TO DO IT ALONE.
I WANT TO GET VISIBLE. I WANT THE LATINO POPULATION TO SEE WHAT *61 IS ABOUT NOT GET GUIDED BY MISLEADING MSM INFO.
THANKS!
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Here! Here! You go Mimi1020 Rodham Puma!!!! That is the Puma spirit. Keep up the good work. I hope others will step up and support you at that mall. We need to watch each other’s backs. That’s what Pumas do!
37 cjv,
it was not more than one or two threads, want me to find it for you?
abinny #41
What makes you say they are history? The G#d*%n site is still up.
#16 pa dem… GOOGLE!!!
“Wow, look who contributed to Obama for his presidential campaign?? BTW, I checked and they were not a big contributor for Hillary-so it was clearly one sided.
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638
Google Inc $315,714
YES, definately time for complaints to the Department of Justice on any interference we are experiencing with our FREDDOM OF SPEECH!
mimi #31
have you emailed mamapuma? she can get you in contact with ALL of our Florida Pumas.
mamapumamass@aol.com
Because I don’t believe Rendell was even serious about that….the HOUNDS have no legs!
#37 cjv… I posted it several days ago… are you talking about the Peronal Notices section of news papers?
#36 andy85719… excellent… to the point!
22 go_Ohio_Lady on 07.02.08 at 1:55 pm #7 nighteyes, welcome to Puma Pac! You have a lot of friends here that share your anger and feelings about how the DNC has split the “Party”.
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Ditto
It was mentioned several times yesterday that Ed Rendell took down his site or the part about PUMA… NOT SO!
http://www.padems.com/action/forum
Here is one example,
Get Over it: Hillary Accepted Loss of Florida and Michigan Delagtes
Posted June 30, 2008
http://www.padems.com/node/1388
April 6, 2008
YouTube - Hillary accepted & signed the DNC rules barring MI & FL !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmUVr_Qt2Wg
Note: This video is of Tim Russert interviewing democrates regarding the DNC rules and mentions the PLEDGE that Senator’s Clinton and Senator Obama signed.
And although I might be true that both campaigns issued a *statement* (which is neither legally binding nor reflective of what the actually PLEDGE agreement was, a written statement put out to the press is not a legal document.
What is misleading about this post and the video is this: They signed a PLEDGE NOT TO CAMPAIGN MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA. But the press would have us believe that Hillary and Barack agreed to penalize Florida and Michigan for failure to comply with DNC Rules; as if to suggest to us that they were somehow responsible for the actions of Howard Dean and the DNC when clearly they were not.
See the following,
Editorial: Follow DNC rules on seating delegates
February 25, 2008
By Editorial Board
<>
http://daily.stanford.edu/article/2008/2/25/editorialFollowDncRulesOnSeatingDelegates
Note: What not too many are telling us is that the DNC Rules has an AUTOMATIC 50% reduction…. but Howard Dean chose to impliment a 100% reduction of state delegates; a rule that I cannot find when I read the rules and Bylaws.
To obtain a copy of those rules, go here,
http://s3.amazonaws.com/apache.3cdn.net/6db9de2c969d3fd055_2bm6ib44l.pdf
IMPORTANT! — Both the Rules and Bylaws PLUS the Pledge should be put up on the PUMA Action Center, if not directly, then the links should be provided for easy access.
We should not forget how this botched election came about!!!
Thanks Murphy! i will do that right now.
RISE PUMAS, RISE!
I’m headed out to the pool with the cub before she takes a hunk outta my hide.
BBL.
#36 andy85719
the change Obama brings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEwP-Yh8pbQ
lol.
Allie Rodham Puma
#33 wontbackdown on 07.02.08 at 2:01 pm
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Quite resepctfully, could not agree more with you wontbackdown! We just need to be growing our numbers AND finding many more ways to be getting our messages heard out there. I think that is where Fred (and I) are going with this ‘physically mobilizing’ being visible idea. Always moving forward in our thinking is imperative on this Political Action bus that we’re on to keep it rolling down the tracks, otherwise we’ll likely end up under it. LOL Complacency of any kind could certainly throw us off the track in my opinion. Constantly pushing the envelope is how these kinds of efforts make real change happen.
#7 welcome night eyes-good group of folks here.
Thought I would peek in to see what has been happening since I have been on travel. I had the opportunity to speak with several male team members and they do not know who they will vote for in November considering the choices. One did say that you have to pick the” lesser of the two evils” and the other replied “which one is that”.
Back to work! Will assist Hillary with our debt when I get paid!
#48 That sounds right. It’s so hard to keep pace with it all, I plug away at the letters and faxes, etc. and I away from any computer when at work. I just recalled that post and it makes sense for me to place a few ads locally here.
Redoing my previous post about the PLEDGE
See the following,
Editorial: Follow DNC rules on seating delegates
February 25, 2008
By Editorial Board
[[The Four State Pledge all candidates signed on Aug. 28 stated, “Whereas, the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee will strip states of 100% of their delegates and super delegates to the DNC National Convention if they violate the nomination calendar... Therefore, I ____________, Democratic Candidate for President, in honor and in accordance with DNC rules ...pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any election contest occurring in any state not already authorized by the DNC to take place in the DNC approved pre-window.” When the candidates pledged to campaign only in approved states, they were also agreeing to the terms listed above, which explicitly mentioned stripping noncompliant states of their entire delegation.]]
I am not very computer literate so alot of words, initials and phrases sail right over my head. I don’t mean to sound moronic, but what is snail mail? Is it regular mail through the postal service? Just curious, I can’t send it if i don’t know what it is.
#51 cosmeta … yeah… and Obama sgned a “pledge” to accept “public financing”.
Murphy,
Clutch Your Pearls! Obama Got Special Mortgage Deal (Gasp!), and — Protect the PACk!
Thanks for using my letter.
#59 michelle47… yes… Postal Mail Service.
Got this from Clintondems.com
Dear Clinton Dem,
As you may be aware, there are a few brave Clinton delegates out there that refuse to rally around the party due — primarily to Obama’s inexperience and partially due to the obnoxious way he and his people have treated Hillary and her supporters.
There has been a concerted effort to flip every Clinton delegate, pledged or otherwise, to Obama to remove the possibility of Obama being upstaged at the convention. You see, no one is the nominee at the convention until one of the candidates receives the magic number of delegates. That is why Obama is strong-arming anyone that continues to stick with Hillary.
Debra Bartoshevich is a Wisconson delegate for Hillary that declared she would vote for Hillary at the convention, but McCain in November because Obama lacks the qualifications to become President.
You may know that the Democratic Party of Wisconson is now trying to strip her delegate status.
Please help Debra by writing to the Democratic Party Chair and letting them know how you feel about punishing someone that supports Hillary Clinton:
Joe Wineke
222 W. Washington Avenue, Ste. 150
Madison, WI 53703
party@wisdems.org
“To those who are disappointed that we couldn’t go all the way- especially the young people who put so much into this campaign - it would break my heart if, in falling short of my goal, I in any way discouraged any of you from pursuing yours. Always aim high, work hard, and care deeply about what your believe in. When you stumble, keep faith. When you’re knocked down, get right back up. And NEVER
LISTEN TO ANYONE WHO SAYS YOU CAN’T OR SHOULDN’T GO ON.”
~ Hillary Clinton
WE BELIEVE IN HILLARY!!!
The Wisconsin DNC is telling Debra she will lose her delegate status. She wants to fight to keep it so she can vote for Hillary at the convention, so please e-mail the Democratic Party of Wisconsin. She stands with Hillary, let’s stand with her!
Pam
Keep Fighting!
“I offer my opponents a bargain: if they will stop telling lies about us, I will stop telling the truth about them..”
Can’t get into the Welcome new Pumapac members blog. Anyone else having a problem? It keeps coming up as Page can be found.
I did not think much of this mortgage deal this morning but now I guess it growing to be something big.
Northern Trust and membership of the Chicago-headquartered billionaire Crown family
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/02/chicago-billionaire-industrialist-on-board-of-obamas-mortgage-provider/
So how is waffles going to flip-flop his way out of this negative ‘mortgage’ story I wonder?
I swear the man is like a fish outta water lately.
#58 cosmeta… What they don’t say is that the Republicans controlled the Florida legislation… the voters didn’t have a damn thing to do with it and didn’t know their vote wouldn’t count and the Florida Democratic Leaders had no power to change what the GOP was doing!
56 tatepuma,
LOL
Err…. I just thought there should be a website dedicated to “capturing and archiving” all the news bits and good U tube videos all in one place… Just so, that news bits are not taken down (like CNN needs new topics frequently).
Just so, things are all in one place… Just documenting. No Blogging, No comments - nothing… Just to keep all the good (?) stuff on one website. So if any one says, well, I don’t know anything about Obama - there you go… check out everything here…. I hope we are clear - please don’t waste any more time on this topic since Antifish says there is such a website.. I didn’t see the link.
What’s next, has this guy done anything that is normal.
To make that clearer, THIS was the PLEDGE,
Therefore, I ____________, Democratic Candidate for President, in honor and in accordance with DNC rules …pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any election contest occurring in any state not already authorized by the DNC to take place in the DNC approved pre-window.”
http://daily.stanford.edu/article/2008/2/25/editorialFollowDncRulesOnSeatingDelegates
Note: I have never seen the legal document from which they signed, so that the wording of whether it was a 100% reduction or a 50% reduction is vital to our cause. I can only tell you, from what I have read of the DNC rules and Bylaws, I saw a 50% reduction rule, but not at 100%. But to make sure I suggest you read it yourself. It is only a 22 page documenet and can be downloaded and viewed at,
http://s3.amazonaws.com/apache.3cdn.net/6db9de2c969d3fd055_2bm6ib44l.pdf
#67 I agree. The Rebup’s changed the primary date back in 2007. I can’t help to think that they were in cahoots with the DNC (Dean, Pelosi and the likes) just to twist the results to BHO’s favor.
P.S. On the BREAKING NEWS…
Obama paid no Points to buy down the interest rate to way below the average rate being offered to prime borrowers…
That is unheard of in the real estate mortgage industry!!!
I am going back downstairs… wow - I sound like i know what is going on… I want to get a hands count of whether we should go ahead with this poster / flyer my husband spent 6 hours creating last night - just for me. He is not a PUMA.
Can you guys email me so I can see if anyone has comments or critique.. on the poster ? If nothing else, I will hire someone to hand them out. I feel too many talking heads, not enough talking feet… (you get my drift). I am posting it downstairs too… I feel like a regular - upstairs, downstairs… just don’t break a leg…
Thanks, still trying to learn the lingo, you might think I am 80 years old and i have never seen a computer. I’m only in my mid thirties, where have I been, under a rock. I apologize for my lunacy, I rarely post because so far I am only good at turning the power on…. But I spend so much time on here, my family thinks I am a computer genius, not asking for help is one of my greatest flaws. Wow I’m an egomaniac, I hope I don’t sound like BODY ODOR!
#70 My hearts pours out to you.
Well, I’m not the best letter writer on the blog but I did my best:
To Whom it May Concern,
How dare you try to strip Ms. Bartosherich of her delegate status. This is just getting out of hand. Like Debra, I too feel like Hillary Clinton is the best candidate and I was one of the 18 million people who voted for her. We both stand by Senator Clinton and should not be bullied to support a candidate who has been “SELECTED” and not “ELECTED.” There is a difference and like Ms. Bartosherich I will remember that difference come November. Why does the DNC keep shoving the word UNITY down our throats as they continue to divide us? How come the most minuscule comment can be turned into a huge racist blunder but when a huge sexist blunder is shouted it is turned into a minuscule comment? Let me leave you with this quote from the fabulous Maya Angelou:
You may write me down in history
with your bitter, twisted lies,
you may trod me in the very dirt
but still like dust, I’ll rise.
Hillary Clinton will rise. Thousands of PUMA PAC members have her back and we are going to carry her up and over the mountain! We are also going to help Debra Bartosherich keep her delegate status!
Sincerely,
T. Larsen
P.U.M.A PAC-NJ
agathalewis@gmail.com for poster critique.
I have to take a course in speed reading and directions! Will send letter ASAP, reminds me of how *61 is working to remove Hillary’s delegates in FL and replace them with his own! Talk about “Delegate Ballot Fraud”…oh, I forgot it is the *61!!
Want to know why *61 is pushing for faith-based finances? Could it be because his now ex-church got 15 million but of course, *61 did not do anything wrong!
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/02/obamas-ex-church-has-won-15m-in-federal-grant-money/
Will keep praying daily that *61 will continue to put foot in mouth! Hey if God could make a donkey talk…*61 is easy! Hillary in 2008!!
NoMoreInFL Rodham PUMA
#77 cjv, Thank you…
#70 OHIO LADY
I am so sorry for your loss. I will keep Lisa in mind also as a driving force behind our resolve.
I know I have said this before, but I will say it again.
I am so very proud of all the PUMA PACk standing up for democracy as you are… you are all wonderful people who embrace the true spirit of your constitutional democracy as the founding fathers intended it.
and that’s from me, a Brit who has studied British and American history enough to recognise the path of democracy and how very important it is to stand up for it.
some of my favourite words from the Peoples President Clinton … “you are not invisible to me”…
this means something important, it means that she sees you and she sees your struggle.
so much more real, than the platitudes of “yes we can, yes we can what? yes we can hijack the democratic process? …
keep the change barry.
I prefer…
“For anyone … who’s ever been counted out but refused to be knocked out,” she said, “for everyone who’s stumbled and stood right back up … this one is for you.”
keep rocking PUMAs
#76 michelle 47
I am not very savvy either. When i went to school they didn’t even have computers so now I rely on my 11 yr. old to teach me everything. He is becoming very involved in pumapac. lol. (that’s laughing out loud in case you didn’t know)
#82 sheila7, Thank you…
#70 Go Ohio_Lady - I will also keep Lisa in my thoughts and prayers as a part of our resolve. Thank you for channeling your grief into such wonderful activism. You must be very very strong.
…Wonder what all of those marginalized groups paying 10% to 12 % rates for a chance to own their own home… who are now losing them in record numbers would think about their “man”, “change agent”, “the messiah… “the one we have been waiting for”, the slum-lord pocket sandwich for the wealthy, convicted, real-estate developers” NOW?
#70 Ohio lady, My deepest sympathy for your loss, I now have yet another reason to defeat this poor candidate choice. I will pray for you and yours, again my deepest sympathy.
#70 go_Ohio_Lady
I am so sorry to hear about your “story”. The mortgage people - the little guys are just as guilty as the big wigs.. for selling mortgage to people that can’t afford it.
I would like to recruit you to hand out flyers in Ohio - once Murphy OK’s it. We need a decent president for America and I know Obama is not decent by any stretch. We have to work our hearts out… there is not much time . A lot of us didn’t do enough to help Hillary win… we can’t botch up any slim second chance we have.. Its Do or Die..
I made the mistake of reading the blogs late last night. I was so disturbed when I came across the link of P. Diddy wearing his “Obama or Die” t- shirt that I couldn’t sleep lastnight. I’d love to make a flyer out of that photo. You could list all the people they have labeled as racists. There’s so much you could do with it. It may not be how PUMA wants to represent itself though.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/01/p-diddy-were-left-speechless/#comment-416744
ok, so for today my actions were: contributed to PUMA, contributed to the Denver Group, contributed to reduce Hillary’s debt, and faxed a letter to Joe Wineka.
I don’t post much, but do what I can.
Couldn’t add the word Democrat because I already ripped up my Dem registration and sent it with a letter to Howard Dean.
Yesterday sent just say no deal info to everyone on my contact list.
Thanks for being a safe haven and action site. We need to make a difference.
PUMA
#7 nighteyes on 07.02.08 at 1:45 pm
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Welcome aboard the PUMA PAC train, Nighteyes!
Ohio Lady,
Your story stopped me in my tracks. I am so sorry for your loss and I am sending positive vibes your way. God Bless you.
#91 mlhath on 07.02.08 at 2:32 pm
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Good job, mlhath! We appreciate our ’silent’ but ever working behind the scenes Pumas!
#86 Dragonfly, Thank you…
#88 michelle47, Thank you…
#89 Fred, Thank you…
Hi,
I hope you will not mind a long post, and I hope this doesn’t come out in red; I’m new here, and learning my way around.
I’ve been lurking and reading the posts a couple of weeks now (I read clintondems site too) and thought I should finally figure out how to log in & say hi.
I’m from Oregon. Too bad so many voters here drank the koolaid, but never fear because our state is True Blue (as in, Democrat). It goes into the blue column every time.
I’m sure Hillary will get our votes once she gets the nomination.
Did you hear that right? Yes, I said “once she gets the nomination.” I truly think the goal of these movements is to keep working on ALL of the Superdelegates so their ears & minds remain open for our Hillary. I think on Puma’s “action center page” it would be a good idea to post the names of the Superdelegates, where they are from, background info, contact info, and also, Hillary’s original letter to them so we can quote from it when we write to the Superdelegates.
Hillary wrote a superb letter, and I see no need to deviate much from her words! Great lines like: “I believe I am best prepared to lead this country as President - and best prepared to put together a broad coalition of voters to break the lock Republicans have had on the electoral map and beat Senator McCain in November,” and “I am also currently ahead of Senator McCain in Gallup national tracking polls, while Senator Obama is behind him. And nearly all independent analyses show that I am in a stronger position to win the Electoral College, primarily because I lead Senator McCain in Florida and Ohio,” and best of all this line,
“I hope you will think about who is ready to stand on that stage with Senator McCain, fight for the deepest principles of oour party, and lead our country forward into this new century.”
Antifish: thanks for BIll Clinton’s website info, I left him a post to encourage him.
Hillgirl: thanks for the link to the paine page, excellent site.
PA4HILL08: Thank you for posting what you did today about lifting Hillary up as opposed to a constant focus on Obama, those are my thoughts exactly.
Superdelegates: Here’s the list of delegates for everyone who wants to reach out and touch someone today! As in gently scratch behind the ears, & make them purr about the future of our country under Hillary:
http://clintondems.com/delegates.htm
Also, I don’t know if this was posted before, but this site: http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/
looks interesting but says they are moving due to hacking.
Last but not least, (lest you think I’m all work & no play!), my favorite television show is the Colbert Report. And he’s a Hillary fan (!), and I think it’d be great to get PUMA on his show, and give Hillary another “Colbert Bump,” don’t you??!
Thanks for a great site and I hope we can meet up in Denver.
#93 redtumble, Thank you…
#70 go_Ohio_Lady
Thank you for sharing your story. I, too am sorry for your loss.
#70 go_Ohio_Lady I am so sorry that you lost your daughter. My heart more than breaks. You and your family are in my prayers.
Thank you for being a faithful PUMA and God Bless! I will donate to Hillary and PUMA today in memory of Lisa.
#87 WONTBACKDOWN
i think slowly but surely they are starting to come around. i was watching fox today (only one i can watch) and they said there are alot of BO supporters that are very angry with him and his flip flopping and going back on what he says. the news gets better everyday!
#70 go_Ohio_Lady
I am so very sorry to hear that too.
I must have been posting when your post appeared.
#70 go_Ohio_Lady… Oh my gosh!
I didn’t read your post before I had posted mine about “those marginalized people trying to own their own home”.
I am so, so, sorry. Your story should be sent to Hillary, the DNC, everywhere.
The man is a slap in the face… even to his own “supporters”… and they are just to crazed to see it.
#70 go_Ohio_Lady on 07.02.08 at 2:20 pm
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Oh my gosh. I am so sorry, Ohio Lady. Your story touched me deeply. I am glad that you can take such a tragedy and turn it into something motivating for you, and I sincerely hope that we Pumas can help you turn it into something very positive as well. We’ll keep fighting for those changes we all need, in step with you and in memory of your daughter. God bless!
#70 Unlike many on this site I don’t have much of a warm fuzzy side. Life has been hard and I got hardened along with it. Yet, when I read your post …… it stopped me cold and took my breath away. I am so deeply sorry for your loss. Sometimes in the heat of things we forget that there are millions of human faces that are the reason for our beliefs. I will take Lisa with me as I go forward. She will remind me that this this is not about winning or losing, not about controlling the game. It is about people.
#14 PA4HILL08, repost from downstairs,
“That’s a good point and a great idea DWP and who wouldn’t want to spend the summer in San Diego????
I would love to, but I will be in San Fracisco in August. Anyone know if anything PUMA is going on there?”
You know people have been responding to my posts using DWP and I just realized to whom they were responding! duh
Re: The san diego ocean and beaches?… great. The san diego weather ?… boring but better than most areas. The san diego population? … Republican stronghold.
“I would love to, but I will be in San Fracisco in August. Anyone know if anything PUMA is going on there?”
You’re the one you’re looking for…
Flying into SFO or Oakland? Carry flyers, hand them out at the airport. Then wander through The Castro district and hand them our there. : )
DancesWithRodhamPumas
Hi Rodham PUMAs,
I just wanted to make you laugh. mzebest, rodham go andersen and other PUMAs from Ally Cat were saying mashugana and mazel tov downstairs. So that made me think of this:
My dad used to say “oy vey zmir”–long version of “oy, vey”, “bekiyzr”–hurry up. My grandfather says “Le Haim”, “zayt gezund”–I think that means stay healthy.
Anyway, I just wanted to tell you guys to PLEASE be careful in Denver. I am very worried about you. Stay safe. I am in CA and will not be able to bail anybody out of jail (that was a great joke; I couldn’t stop laughing
Monty Python video was hysterical. Thank you. I’ll buy that collection.
To ALL of you who have responded to my post, Thank You to everyone from the bottom of my heart.
Ohio Lady - I am so sorry to hear about your dau. I will say a special prayer for her tonight.
This is another reason why we must fight the good fight and keep BO out of the White House.
I wonder how the news agencies are going to handle this latest story - if at all. Looks like a big one is going under the bus - and it might just be BO.
#70 go_Ohio_Lady
Feel sorry for your loss.
Ohio was hit the worst, there are many many who are suffering too…
#70 Ohio Lady,
You’re story brought me to tears……. I will pray for both you and Lisa tonight……
You have just made me even more determined to make PUMA’s voices HEARD.
LET’S GET VISIBLE…VISIBLE….LET ME HEAR YOUR VOICES NOW….
I will definitely write Joe Wineke on behalf of Wisconsin’s Debra Bartoshevich. The nerve of these political thugs is beyond belief! I have no doubt that all of Hillary’s delegates (super and otherwise), PLUS those who unfortunately voted for “Teflon Guy” will come over to Hillary’s side when the time comes. If they don’t, the Dems will surely lose this election, and it is time they started realizing this. Ha! I see now that maybe Obama is losing some of his Teflon slickness because this Countrywide Mortage story is deep and incriminating. Don’t see how he can slip past this one. By the way, regarding his position on faith-based initiatives, he is REALLY starting to scare me. I am Jewish, and I can tell you right now: He has lost the Jewish vote. “Separation of Church and State” is not to be thrown under the bus! Out of respect for every other citizen in this country, we all must honor each person’s religious beliefs (or non-belief). That is what this country is all about, and it is called “Freedom.”
#103 hotsky… “not so warm and fuzzy”… your response could not have been more poignant… it brought it all further home for me. Thank you.
another one, BO has been a roll lately..Senator Dodd, another misguided soul who BO has lured, has the same problem with his mortgage. If my memory serves, the Clintons did not own a house until they left the White House and moved to New York.
#83 PumaAllie on 07.02.08 at 2:29 pm
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Hear! Hear! Thank you from ‘across the pond’!
I wish her campaign would have followed up with those t-shirts with that ‘this one’s for you’ statement on them. That was the one I voted for and I’d have been wearing it today!
Hi, PUMAs,
I am at work, and cannot justify blogging instead of working (unfortunately) so …
My quick comment — Apropos of just-about-everything, here is one of my favorite Hillary quotes:
“Now, I believe our party is strong enough for this challenge. I am strong enough for it. You know I never give up. I’ll keep coming back, and I’ll stand with you as long as you stand with me.”
Spoken by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton after winning the primary in West Virginia, May 14th, 2008.
NYCgirlrodham
FRED’S post #235 on previous. Worth repeating, imho.
“Thanks for the input but of course I have emailed Murphy and Maryland privately. Look, I am just more interested in helping with things that most puma’s can’t do. I am not interested in individual heroism and no ego trips here. I did notice some one a few days ago… singled me out to “watch” but not in so many words. I did not think that it was worth my time to respond.
I belive that even though big strides are accomplished, my gut feeling is that we need to spread the idea that Obama cannot be elected - end of story. But I think many of us are just happy that we have a lot of “material” against him - our membership is what, 100 a day ? I don’t think so. Do you think the Obama camp gets 100 a day - probably 10 times that because his followers are out there converting every day. What do we do, send out another blog, copy and paste everything we read… send out some mail delegates/ deaf ears. I myself am guilty of that.
Do you think we can overturn a nominee like th Obama machine? This guy with his backing is unlike what we have ever seen. McCain’s campaign looks sad compared to his. I like McCain but I wish things we more on an even playing field. With our limited resources and blogging among our cocooning selves…and time ticking.. do we really think it is enough. If it is, I humbly fall in line and continue to blog and express my feelings to you guys. It is after all a nice safe environment where we can feel pretty smug to see our own brilliantly written post. Sorry to rave and rant for everyone to see.”
#110writer4starz
i agree, the faith based initiatives thing is very scary to me. i am not jewish but this is something that should concern everyone.
#105 anonymous… the threat of going to jail may not even be an issue…
If we are lucky, Obama may be in jail, before the convention even starts.
#70 go_Ohio_lady
OMG, I am so sorry to hear about your daughter.
Hmmm… Wonder how they kept this “mortgage issue” out of the press when Hillary was in the game and the foreclosures debacle was we hitting?
70 go_ohio_lady
I am so sorry for your loss. You are in my prayers. It is life altering when you lose a child. I have been there. Just know we are here.
#119
I bet you already know the answer to your own question!
#117 wontbackdown
That would be a miracle. I’ll celebrate it with my family. We will have a toast and a cake.
That would be great news.
FRED
I hear you on your concerns and I agree that we need to be out there but I feel that blogging also serves a great service. For all the links and information that people put up, others are reading this. There are alot of people who come just to read. We need to have a strong community here as well to keep everyone informed and to let them know that there is strength in numbers and they are not alone.
There are people like you that really want to hit the pavement (thank God) but keep in mind that there are others who are not comfortable or can’t do that and there is a great purpose for them in here. We have accomplished alot in a little time and we will continue to do so with perseverence and support for one another.
I took my daughter to the beach in Seattle yesterday and there was a glassy eyed young man wandering the beach trying to get people to register to vote and vote for Obama…
Even in July the beach in Seattle is a fairly empty place. I’ve been running into these O kids all over Seattle and I see they’ve got Craiglist ads up for more workers… looks like they’re really hitting it hard in Seattle.
Just thought I’d pass that on…
#120 prplvette85, my deepest sympathy to you also.
PUMAS are loving caring people who want what is only right for this country. I will be back later, very emotional right now.
Go Ohio Lady - my heart goes out to you - I am now dealing with a death in the family - although this in no way has anything to do with current events - it motivates me to work harder for our puma cause - its a way to give back something that was taken from you - it gives you more energy to move on - a sense of accomplishment that you can right a wrong not only for others but yourself as well - and especially your situation and the nonameones - gives me more fuel to continue to fight for what is right.
You ARE with family here - GoOhioLady -
Alucard RODHAM Puma
#119 wontbackdown on 07.02.08 at 2:50 pm
(I’m NoBO from TM and Camille)
I have thought about his off an on recently. I started thinking about the number of dems vs number of repubs in Chicago linked to Rezko and others doing shady things. It’s obviously a great number of Democrats.
Other prominent dems have been beneficiarys of sweetheart deals (Dodd).
Many of us agree that there was a concerted effort by the leadership to push out the Clintons.
I’m wondering now, as part of the concerted effort to thrust BO to the top, if there was some additional effort for dems to Unite… especially wrt loans and whatnot.
If they didn’t… chances of us losing seats in congress would be dire as the GOP would hammer home the corruption in the Dem Party. Maybe united, the dems could stave off any attacks?
Seems like the Wall street types and Mortgage types have their fingerprints all over the dem leadership.
Makes one think, however.
#113 PA4HILL08
Those would make great T-Shirts!
Maybe we should do some PUMA’s for Hillary T Shirts with “this one’s for you Hillary” (turning it the other way around)
or PUMA - “you’re not invisible to Hill” on them.
just thoughts …
Allie Rodham Puma
A quick checkin between jobs. Here is a link that shows how competent Obama is:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/?page=full
When I share this one with my Obamabots, they say NOTHING! They are all dumbfounded.
See you later PUMA’s
There are at least two “angry white women” as they like to call us, in my family who are not bloggers or active online but who have informed me that they feel they “will have to vote for McCain” because of how all this went down with the Party/DNC and they do not like BO because of his flip-flopping and arrogance and sexist attitude. So, there are a lot of us out there!
#119 No way Hillary could bring that up. Would of been called dirty politics and they would of found something on her to counter it. Today must be a slow news day and they needed something to spin for the weekend. This must of been it.
#124 nernina
When you said “glassy eyed man” I thought you meant that this guy wanted to ask your daughter for a date
(Then I read the rest of the sentence
My daughter and I are planning to go to Denver, and I have an idea, I will find a couple of crazed star wars fans and borrow a storm trooper outfit. That way the force will be with us!
I just want to make a comment on Obama’s momentum vs ours: I would love to believe Hillary will somehow get the nod in Denver. But I am not too hopeful. So my second wish is that Obama does not win in the GE.
McCain seems pretty laid back right now, not much coming out of him and not looking especially presidential or powerful. I have to believe that that will change after the convention. Why would he want to show his hand now, when that would almost surely allow Hillary a chance to run against him? He feels better with Obama, so he is laying (lieing, I missed that day) low and will wait comfortably until the SD’s can’t change their mind.
If you were he, and you had the supposed “Whitey” tape or it’s equivalent, what would you do?
I am responding :
#204 ABinNY :
Last night I emailed the poster to Maryland and Murray - no reply yet. I got a reply from a PUMA that thought it was good but to double check some quotes.
Maybe, we are not allowed to do things on our own besides blogging - I don’t know..
RESPONSE to #202 won’t back down
I just didn’t want 200 critiques of the poster. Just a few and if Murphy approves - that’s all i need. However, POSTERS will be offered through PUMA site to everyone who wants to distribute. I am printing 10,000 full color sheets and I don’t want them sitting in my garage… it costs money. My concern is that I can’t get enough of PUMA folks to pitch in on the ground floor distributing it.
It is very simple - no red tape needed besides Murphys approval. Print poster, offer to PUMA folks to hand out,
ship poster to individual PUMA folks. end of poster. Need more than 10,000 sheets ? Great. I can do that.
Any volunteers ? Silence ? No one out there ? OK. I will think of plan B.
Tomorrow folks don’t forget Hillary Independence Day and Green Rain 4 McCain. Many groups are donating $10.44 and/or $20.08 For Hillary Debt relief. Green Rain for McCain donate $5.44 or more just make sure you include the .44 cent at the end to represent Hillary supporters. McCain staffers and the RNC will make the DNC aware of our impact tomorrow.
#131 vadaryl on 07.02.08 at 3:00 pm
#119
To add to that.
Many folks said that BO beat the Clinton Machine. They said that she did all she could. yada yada yada
However, after watching the Clintons for several years (almost two decades) I am so convinced that they purposefully didn’t bring up a lot of matters that they could have. It’s clear to me that there would have been a big backlash against them… so, Hillary was waiting for the media and others to actually start reporting.
Sure she could have thrown the kitchen sink, but it would have made it that much worse dealing with dem leadership. imho
So, BO beat a subdued and measured Clinton Machine.
Hey, PUMAs. Firebelle puma had a great idea about emailing/contacting media outlets re: debates between *61 and Sen. McCain. We think if we get to the right people, on a slow news day (haha) the media might decide to critique *61’s sudden reversal from his any day any time promise to McCain for town hall meeting debates. Which outlets would any of you recommend as a recipient for a letter re: debates? We have to expose *61 as unelectable, and the debates are one way to do it.
#137 IndyPuma - I totally agree with you. The Clinton machine was gently running indeed.
#70 go_Ohio_Lady
I am speechless. I can’t even find the words to express my deep dispair for you and your family.
Your story, your daughter, your voice is what is being silenced in this mess of an election year. Hillary gave us our voices and wanted all of us to be heard. These are the stories of lives broken and the deafening scream for justice and fair play. We will carry on with your daughter’s voice in our hearts and in our rally.
Is it possible to leave PUMA flyers in libraries or other public places? Has that already been done?
I also wondered if it was possible to make like a single page newspaper for PUMA and print out several copies, just to outline the strength of our numbers and our mission statements and such.
Listing the major reasons for supporting PUMA and putting “remember in November” (or similar) as the closing line, leaving it to the individual to choose.
Just point out peoples options for those who don’t go on line and hopefully they will keep it in mind even if they don’t go online or they might be able to have a phone number.
Also, the mp3s from the radio show could be distributed to offline PUMAs as well. Just burn them to a disc as an audio cd and then anyone can listen.
Well, we all know that MSNBC is for Obama, so thats out. But of course Fox would talk it up, and I think Lou Dobbs at CNN would too.
Donated, send e-mail and lite a candle for Hillary and the Lisa’s that have been affected. Yes, this is about people!
#125 PumaAllie
How about: “PUMAs United brings VICTORY” and a picture of “V”
“PUMAs=REAL Democracy”
or send mp3s from the PUMA radio show to a sympathetic local radio host?
just brainstorming ideas to get the word out to offline would be PUMAs
Here’s the link to lite a candle, sorry I forgot it.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=hrc
My letter to the Chairman:
I urge the Wisconsin Democratic Party to keep Debra Bartoshevich as a Delegate for Hillary Clinton. She is only echoing the sentiments of MANY longtime loyal Democrats in light of Senator Obama’s anti-democratic tactics. While, as a Democrat, I would love to see a Democrat in office, it is far more important to me that the Democrat we place in office is fairly elected, not selected. The voters are speaking up, and I am PROUD that a delegate to the DNC had the courage to voice the concerns that many loyal democrats have. Many of us would *never* have considered voting Republican before, but are so disenchanted with the process and harassment by Senator Obama’s supporters that we have to draw the line somewhere. I once had faith that the Democratic party had my best interests at heart. Please do not hold her strong feelings about this primary process against her. It would only add fuel to the fire.
Senator Obama’s tactics are anti-democratic. His “presumed” nomination has been achieved through less than democratic means. In fact he is not the actual nominee until the vote at the convention is taken. Senator Clinton deserves to be represented by the delegates she has amassed, until the convention, when those delegates should be allowed to cast their votes. This is what the convention is designed to do…hear the choices and allow all of the delegates who have been sent by their constituency to choose the nominee by majority vote. Please don’t allow this undemocratic charade by the DNC and the Obama Campaign continue to poison America’s Presidential election and further divide the Party and the country.
Letters sent to Rendell and Chairman Wineke.
#123 sheila7
I understand everyone has their ‘COMFORT LEVEL’.
I am not belittling the usefulness of blogging - far from it so lets not waste any precious time debating this.
I have a real business to run and I have been on this blog for exactly half a day (just fielding questions here and there for staff).
I am saying : Can we get more people to speak up if they are willing to do ground work. If not, my plan B is to hire people to hand them out.
I am frankly ready to get out of PUMA site because I feel no one really wants to do anything besides “sending” stuff. And each day, I see Obama gathering steam, gathering more people and here we are patting ourselves on the back because we posted another nice tid bit. Remember I am just as guilty but I recognise what I am doing and I want to step outside of the box. I wanted to put pay for a bill board… No one intereste, I am frustrated in a HUGE way, not belittling anyone. Lets focus on the point made and the reason.
I also hate to put these type of blogs out there for general eyes..
No pain, no gain…
#70 Ohio Lady
You are a true inspiration to all of us.
I cannot imagine what you have gone through, and I cannot think of any words that would comfort you for your loss.
Yours is a story that we all should remember - forever.
I am honored to know you.
ATTENTION PUMA ALERT
PUMAs WHO ARE TRYING TO MAKE CONTACT WITH OTHER PUMAs IN YOUR AREA
Yesterday you should have received an email telling you to sign up to your region. If you did not receive this letter - you need to “join.” At the top of the thread, on the right side, you will find a join button.
We have grown to the point that we are ready to organize ourselves by state and region. This will give us the ability to communicate with each other and to organize around local and regional events.
DO NOT DO THIS TWICE.
BUT IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY SIGNED ONTO YOUR REGION - DO THIS
Please look up your state in the list below to find what region you are in and send an email to the address that matches your region. In the subject line put, your PUMA name and your state. Then you can give as much information as you are comfortable with.
For example, I live in Massachusetts. I find Massachusetts on the list and see that it is in the Northeast Region. I then write an email to:
Northeast@Pumapac.org
Subject line: MamaPuma in Massachusetts
In the body of the email: Hi I am from Boston and would like to meet other PUMA’s in the area to get together and for support and help. Please feel free to share my email address with other PUMAs. (Or leave the last sentence out if you do not share your email address).
Thanks
MamaPuma
Puerto Rico is with the Northeast region states. Wash DC is with the Southeast region.
Midwest@pumapac.org
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Southwest@pumapac.org
Arizona California Nevada New Mexico Oklahoma Texas
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Northeast@pumapac.org
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PUMAALLIE, this is what I did. I was in Ventura last week as well as Santa Barbara, and Oxnard. I went to several mobile parks and handed out the flyers from here and put some up at Shopping Centers, I didn’t ask, I just acted as if I had . I talked to a lot of people and passed out VERBALLY this blog site.
I also sent a fax to Wineke, and Rendell this AM as well as snail mail regarding the gal from Wisconsin, (Debra…) reminding them that we still live in the USA and from what I remember, we have the right to vote for who we want, not who they tell us we must have!!!
Maybe we can get permission from hillary HQ to make the tee shirts and sell them. I too wanted to buy one
#134 I have been thinking pretty much the same as you are. BHO’s camp is currently busy with not only sending thier glassy eyed troops across fifty states, they also need to continually figure out the media answers to their flip-flops as well as the grassroot efforts of 18 million….. My guess, McCain’s group are just taking notes right now, and saving and accumulating their campaign dollars for the big hit.
But I am specifically interested in attempting to bring back the democratic party to what it stands for and make DNC held accountable for thier actions. We just need to keep our focus and keep those distractions (I’m sure as they would coin it) at the highest level we can!
Letter to Wineke has been faxed!
#133 Michelle 47
We should put HBO as Captain Kirk–my philosophy teacher talked about “transformation machine”–John Locke theory.
The story is: when Captain Kirk steps into the transformation machine and his atoms are reassembled when he lands on another planet, is he still the same person?
It was based on John Locke’s Prince and the cobbler story. Shoe maker is a murderer, and he switches souls with the prince, so now shoe maker is in Prince’s body, and Prince is in the body of a cobbler.
writer4starz: He lost MY Jewish vote when he hired the same people that did foreign policy under the Carter administration (we remember the disaster that caused for Israel) and the anti-semitic postings on his website that were up for months before someone mentioned it on http://www.americanthinker.com
Fred: Many of us would like to be “boots on the ground” but don’t know where the “legality” lines are…where can we distribute without being arrested, fined, etc. Simply saying “public places” is too vague for me. Do you need permission to distribute in a mall for example? Who would you ask?
A post I just left on Ed Rendell’s website,
See,
http://www.padems.com/node/1388#comment-1574
Which reads as follows:
1. A statement released to the press is not a legally binding contract.
2. Both Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama as well as all the other candidates who were running at the time signed a PLEDGE Agreement and that too is not exactly a legally binding contract, but a “pledge” meaning, in good faith or with good intentions. Nothing more and nothing less.
The wording of that pledge was this,
“I ____________, Democratic Candidate for President, in honor and in accordance with DNC rules …pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any election contest occurring in any state not already authorized by the DNC to take place in the DNC approved pre-window.”
IT WAS A PLEDGE NOT TO CAMPAIGN IN FLORIDA OR MICHIGAN…
And on both counts Mr Obama renegged. He ran one or two tv ads in Florida and he also campaigned via the Internet and through emails to get donations… Mostly, he and senators Edwards, Dodds and Richardson, formed a boys club and sent out advertisements instructing their voters to vote “undecided”.
So that when, at the DNC May31st Rules and Bylaws committee meeting took place and the panel voted to give Mr Obama 1/2 of the Michigan delegates or 64 delegates based upon 55 delegates that should have been in and remained in the UNCOMMITTED column until the Denver Convention, you will understand why some of us watching C-Span and CNN became outraged; especially when Karl Levin said that the Michigan Challenge was based upon an EXIT POLL.
Now, I don’t know about you, but if you love your country and our democracy, you as well as all of us should be *outraged* at the DNC giving media way too much power and authority over our election process.
Kathleen M
I just thought of it. When we make t-shirts we should have a picture of Captain Kirk on one side of the door and HBO on another–this will show that he is flip-flopper. What do you guys think?
#135 Fred
I think they are good ideas in many ways. I guess PUMA PAC can’t support it as such, because it has it’s own mission here but I do understand what you mean.
You can always start your own site, it doesn’t have to be part of PUMA pac, but it would still be part of the justsaynodeal.com coalition.
There is nothing to stop you (or anyone) doing that and you could still stay here as well, it’s just that you would obviously be more focused on that.
There are several such sites at http://www.justsaynodeal.com
the PUMA / JustSayNoDeal coalition don’t have an official policy on what other sites can be created so it would be up to you or anyone who wanted to join with you in that endeavour if they wanted to approach it in that way.
Or have I misunderstood something?
#148 FRED
I agree. Please see post# 150. Hopefully it will create some action. Also, go to “just say no deal” site and on the right hand page click on million women march. (it is now called 18 million march to include the guys) They have over 3000 people in a handful of states that are organizing at the state level.
@70 (((Hugs))) Ohiolady– I also was scanning posts and stopped cold at your post/ your story/testimonial. I am soo very sorry about your tremendous loss and that Lisa had to feel such a sense of hopelessness. I can believe it, because the sub-prime lending companies simply didn’t care and were deceitful. That’s what PUMA represents trying to give every American an equal voice. Lisa’s will be heard through your contributions and actions here and through all of our roars.
#148 fred
i also think a billboard is a great idea and i would be willing to contrbute but i don’t think the amount i can contribute can make much difference unless many others did so. way back in the beginning someone checked into the price of this and although i forget what that amount was it was alot!
also, i would be willing to take the posters. i have been out of town and did not have time to go through every blog so i didn’t even notice anything about that but i would really be interested in that.
so, i am speaking up and would be willing to do ground work. anyone, just tell me when and where. my strong point is not coming up with ideas but i am very good at taking something and running with it and getting it done. just let me know.
I just spoke about this blog to someone who called me about a dr’s appointment…. talk to everyone… talk to all who call….. talk to the mailman… talk….. get out there… I am going to print the business cards and ask if i can leave them at the Y where i do pool exercises…
I sent a letter to rendell yesterday, and to Obama’s campaign… emailed regarding Wisconsin delegate
This is part of what i wrote:
This is how I feel about punishing someone that supports Hillary Clinton:
I personally continue to be astonished by the lack of democracy in the Democratic Party. I continue to be disappointed by the choices the Democrats are making. You have 18 million disinfranchised voters out here and this strong arming of Hillary’s delegates is continuing to add to the list of reasons why so many are leaving the party. I know of many in my own circle of friends who are going Independent and claim to be voting for McCain just because of such tactics. YOU MUST STOP this and once again become the party of the people!!!
I have many YouTube’s archived in a file if you want to put them somewhere on this blog… please let me know Murphy!!!
@Fred– from downstairs about video tech– Apple makes editing software /programs that can capture video potentially from anywhere w/ the click of a button.
My action letter today:
Subject: Keep delegate Bartoshevich and Stop the Bulling
Content:
“In all my 62 years, I have never seen a primary season quite like this one. The amount of corruption and backhanded dealing coming from Howard Dean and the DNC as well as how Obama and his campaign are running such a corrupt contest, is unforgivable.
If someone like Debra Bartoshevich wishes to keep her support of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at the Denver Convention, no one has the right to strong arm her into doing otherwise because casting a vote for Mr Obama is clearly against her conscience… and isn’t that how the delegates are suppose to vote… by conscience… but instead you and the DNC have made our governmental process into a den of theives.
STOP THE BULYING!
Kathleen M”
#150 MamaPuma on 07.02.08 at 3:14 pm
Is there a way to use a Meetup-like program for this?
http://www.meetup.com/
I’m so glad we’re finally getting our ground ops underway. As much as I like and appreciate the efforts of signing petitions and sending mail. I just feel like it doesn’t do us good wrt recruitment and getting the talking points on BO and DNC out to potential voters.
Fred I probably quoted the number wrong on that one, I was thinking of an earlier post by you.
#27 murphy on 07.02.08 at 1:58 pm
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Murphy! That is a great letter and fully in keeping with our PAC mission/focus in my opinion. Perhaps we could have Maryland Puma clean it up and if the original writer would not mind, we could put it up on the Action Center as an example letter for other Pumas to send to the folks in WI?
148 Fred on 07.02.08 at 3:14 pm
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I feel maybe some are just trying to figure out what to do. I know that I am really new at being a political activist, and my head is still spinning. I am sure you will hear from many as we adjust to “our new lives”.
For me at least, I am still in a grieving period over the loss of my Dem party who left. I have been with them longer than I have been with my hubby.
I also noticed that the Action site is not linked from here, I have to bookmark it.
This is for Murphy and whoever does the site, I think it needs to be linked at the top and reminded every day.
Enjoy this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9IkEoce3xY&eurl=http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/01/puma-kiss-him-goodbye-hillary/
ABinNY…#28.
Thank you.
I live about 20 miles from SF. I also know a group of PUMAs within our area….
We should have you at one of our mmetings while you are visiting SF.
How can be communicate?
#162 bmw60 on 07.02.08 at 3:25 pm
I have many YouTube’s archived in a file if you want to put them somewhere on this blog… please let me know Murphy!!!
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If they are links, you can send them to my email address so I can put them up on the Action Center. We already have a favorite Youtubes section there.
http://pumapacusa.org
AOL STRAW POLL:
Total Votes: 210,846
McCain: 131,435 (62%)
BO: 79,411 (38%)
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#165 Indy Puma
good idea
send it to Murphy
#155 PADEM
you are exactly right about people wanting to do things but not knowing “the rules”. i feel the exact same way. i wonder if there is someone here that knows what you can and can’t do.
if i was sure that it was “legal” for me to be somewhere then i would be there in a heartbeat but i feel unsure and so i am not as inclined to pass things out just anywhere.
is there anyone here who can answer these questions as i’m sure there are many others here who feel the same way.
Go Ohio Lady- My deepest sympathy also. I am so sorry. I can’t even imagine what you are going through. I too will say a prayer for you.
#151 Mary Beth613 on 07.02.08 at 3:16 pm
thats great!
I think that is the best way!
I think that in time meetings will be arranged, and PUMA will try and recruit more members who are offline as well, I do think that is important.
#169
I agree. And at this point Murphy is probably saying to herself ” everybody’s a critic” lol.
#152 Mama Puma do you have me on your list? I did not get an email, but I joined day one. I have emailed the link for Southeast. Did you get it? thanks. For some reason, I don’t have your email addy, so figured I would post here.
Hi everyone i see there is a lot going on. I tried to send the letter to partywisdems.org but it won’t let me. It says i am not logged in so i will try another way.
I recieved a e-mail from Houndtoday and i will show you. Did anyone else get one??
@162bmw60– I love that about working it into conversation! I have been doing that as well w/ anyone that gives me even the slightest opening
even some remodeling guys that i had in the house during the primary. They agreed w/ PUMA about the treatment of hillary and their doubts of bho, and a bond was born 
@nernina I also have experienced that in Indy — I was at a death cab concert downtown recently, and BO young people were walking around asking anyone to register to vote and vote for bho. I mean I guess I can’t fault them. But yeah they’re working it hard! –Of course many people were inebriated etc-
They are using HOUND for everything.
#180 sandipuma
Do tell! What’s it say!
#178 hotsky
lol just suggestions
I do realise that it does take time to get everything working exactly right and that Murphy works her socks off for this, as do many others too.
#9 PA4Hill–You just made me laugh with your comment–so cute. Just stopping in for a minute while at work. Sent my email for D. Bartoshevich. Will check back later when I get home re: enlarging the PUMAsphere–where will we leave our paw prints next?
I sent my letters to Obama, Rendell and Chairman Wineke today. This is so much fun.
Pumas. I keep seeing people sort of floundering around on this blog periodically, looking for certain PUMA PAC contacts, places to put pertinent links, and other stuff.
For all newer members who have not yet visited, or even for older members who may have missed it, we do have the PP Action Center set up. There are many resources there for our members to use, adn more being added every day. And ideas for additional resources are always welcome. Please check it out at:
http://pumapacusa.org.
If you have questions/comments about anything at the Action Center, you can always email me directly at pa4hhill.puma at gmail or email Murphy. Thanks.
165 IndyPuma
The group organizing the March on Denver is already using this site to organize within the states for the March
Foxnews on $1.32 million loan from Northern Trust at an interest rate of 5.625 percent in June 2005, shortly after he entered the U.S. Senate.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/02/obamas-received-discounted-home-loan/
165 IndyPUMA on 07.02.08 at 3:25 pm, WROTE,
[[ Is there a way to use a Meetup-like program for this?
http://www.meetup.com/ ]]
PUMA may also want to consider a program called, DESKTOP LIGHTNING. It’s a viral program that sends emails directly to your pc desktop instead of your email box. This program builds a rapid address database for getting news out.
Check it out,
http://www.desktoplightning.com
I don’t care if footage of Obama snorting coke off Scarlett Johansson’s boobs surfaces in late October. All it will do is bolster his standing with white males. I don’t care if McCain is introduced by a resurrected Jesus Christ at the convention. All it will do is piss off Joe Lieberman.
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2008/07/02/huffpost-crows-obamas-won-even-if-he-snorted-coke-boobs
Last night I was watching FOX and they were talking about Obama making the appeal to the evangelist. The news person asks, “What are Obama’s chances to convince the evangelists?” One Democratic spokesman was trying to put the “good spin” on Obama’s chances and she says (I kid you not), “I think Obama’s chances are excellent. After all we have to remember that he did very well with the evangelists in Illinois when running for Senator.” The newscaster stopped her dead in her tracks, an said (bless his heart), “Uh — all due respect — that’s not an accurate statement since Obama ran uncontested in Illinois. It could have been the scarecrow on the ballot and he would have done well with the evangelists since there was no one else running against him.” This shut up the Dem spokesperson and you should have seen the look on her face when she was caught by this. It was priceless.
O/T—but interesting…chickens coming home to roost …
In recent days, more than 7,000 Obama supporters have organized on a social networking site on Mr. Obama’s own campaign Web site. They are calling on Mr. Obama to reverse his decision to endorse legislation supported by President Bush to expand the government’s domestic spying powers while also providing legal protection to the telecommunication companies that worked with the National Security Agency’s domestic wiretapping program after the Sept. 11 attacks.
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/07/02/nyt-obama-voters-protest-his-switch-telecom-immunity
Fred- I agree with what you are saying but I for one do not even have enough money to pay for gas to go to the nearest city. If I did have the money then I would be right behind you doing leg work. Because I am broke I feel at least I can do something on the internet and I can also vote in November. For now that is all I can do.
A Jeremiah Wright impersonator at the Philly Inquirer
By Michelle Malkin •
Chris Satullo:
God damn America!
I have a feeling we’ll see a few more of these leading up to the Independence Day holiday weekend.
http://www.michellemalkin.com/2008/07/02/a-jeremiah-wright-impersonator-at-the-philly-inquirer/
#148 Fred I understand your frustration and I went on the meetup site and put in “Hillary Clinton.” The sites have been merged with *61 but some people have voiced they will only support Hillary!
I don’t know where you live but fell free to get my e-mail address from PUMA and I would like to help you organize on the ground.
I will be checking with my local Supervisor of Elections if PACS can access voter records. I believe they can and at no cost. If so, that would be one way to reach the Super Voters in your area.
Also I know there was the link on Huffington that one can see those that gave to Hillary. Another start to start networking with like-minded people.
To those that want to go to malls, yes…you have to ask permission to be on their property. Usually you have to see the Manager and they will tell you were you can set up.
The sheet with the tear-offs on the PUMA Action page should be put in every laundrymat, apartment complex and on college campuses bulletin boards.
That should give everyone more than enough “out in the field” time.
Thank you Murphy and your core group for allowing us to network, educate ourselves and become active. I can feel my paws are getting ready to run! And thanks to all you PUMAS for always being there day and night.
NoMoreInFL Rodham PUMA
same topic–a repub view blog
Let me call you sweetheart…
Barack Obama, sweetie, do tell us how your $1.32 million home loan below market rates without paying the normal extra fees demonstrates “new politics,” please.
Funny, Mrs. O neglected to mention this special home loan break while whining about her college loans and kids’ piano/ballet lesson bills.
http://www.michellemalkin.com/2008/07/02/let-me-call-you-sweetheart/
#14 PA4HILL and others
RE: GETTING the WORD OUT — OUTSIDE THE INTERNET
My parents who have their own nonprofit do these kinds of things for seniors
1. They participate in SENIOR FAIRS to hand out their materials and talk about what they do
2. Street fairs and Farmer’s market
3. Speak at apartment complesxes for seniors and assisted living homes.
I will try and think what else they do
Also, I had heard about the land deal with Rezko but this is the first time I heard any confirmation of his mortgage discount…
Finally, I have been combing my papers more closely for info. on the election and today there were a few letters to the editor in a local paper about about *61’s lack of patriotism. One was from a Navy guy. He said that *61 took his oath of office on the Koran. I hadn’t heard this one and don’t know if it is true. I am assuming the office he is talking about for Senator.
Just FYI. Just got on and haven’t read through everything yet but had to comment on the above things right away.
Good afternoon PUMAS (except Hawaii — good morning)
diva2
#175 sheila7 on 07.02.08 at 3:33 pm #155 PADEM
you are exactly right about people wanting to do things but not knowing “the rules”. i feel the exact same way. i wonder if there is someone here that knows what you can and can’t do.
if i was sure that it was “legal” for me to be somewhere then i would be there in a heartbeat but i feel unsure and so i am not as inclined to pass things out just anywhere.
is there anyone here who can answer these questions as i’m sure there are many others here who feel the same way.
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I came across a site last evening that had some pretty good information about organizing and carrying out protests/demostrations and the like. Even had a training manual for such actions! And how to watch each other’s backs, be safe, how to deal with the police and intimidators, what to do if arrested. Useful stuff (hope we never need the last item though). I’ll try to find it again and post the link later on.
Does anyone has the fax # for Joe Wineke: The information is missing from the Daily Growl
The news about the deal hit the Chicago Tribune some time ago buy there was a new article at MSNBC as of today. The issue will re-emerge because it is so incredible that a person involved with such dubious characters is a step from the White House. Somebody help us!
It won’t let me paste the letter i got from Hounds??
Like that old Mercedes-Benz commercial went..”perception is everything”
..well.I think the same idea can be applied to election 08.Obama is “teflon” times 10 and complicated “insider” beefs and issues will only evoke a “yawn” or puzzled ‘glazed eyes” from the average American voter.
My contention it’s going to take a “knock-out”punch to beat Obama..either Obama “destroying himself”,a qualitative escalation of military conflict over seas or God forbid another 911 style act of terrorism on American soil..
forget insider beefs and criticism..the average American dumb-dumb is unable to fathom such lofty thoughts and perceptions..
like I said “perception is everything” and the same thing applies to election 08..which is Obamas to lose because he has the smiling sunny light of perception shining on him at this point..
I cant find the link right now, but I remember reading the DNC’s rules and found this:
20. CHALLENGES
Article 20, Section C-7, page 21, 22
“In the event a state shall become subject to subsections (1), (2) or (3) of section C of this rule as a result of state law but the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee, after investigation, including hearings if necessary, determines that the state party
and the other relevant Democratic party leaders and elected officials took all provable, positive steps and acted in good faith to achieve legislative changes to
bring the state law into compliance with the pertinent provisions of these rules and determines that the state party and the other relevant Democratic party leaders
and elected officials took all provable, positive steps and acted in good faith in attempting to prevent legislative changes with resulted in state law that fails to comply with the pertinent provisions of these rules, the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee may determine that *all* or a portion of the state’s delegation shall *not* be reduced. The state party shall have the burden of proving by clear and convincing evidence that it and other relevant Democratic party leaders and elected officials took all provable, positive steps and acted in good faith to achieve legislative changes to bring the state law into compliance with the pertinent provisions of these rules and that it and the other relevant Democratic party leaders and elected officials took all provable, positive steps and acted in good faith in attempting to prevent the legislative changes which resulted in state law that fails to comply with pertinent provisions of these rules.”
EXPLANATION:
That means (and correct me if I’m wrong because I’ve been doing that a lot lately lol) That they had it in their power to seat all Florida delegation. It means that Howard Dean and/or the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee did not have to penalize Florida at all. It means that on May 31st they could have given Florida *back* its full 215 Delegate seats.
I found this interesting as well, I’m looking for the link but this proves that moving the primary in Florida was not against the rules (unless I’m reading it incorrectly):
The Florida Republican majority introduced a bill about electronic balloting in an attempt to avoid another 2000 chad fiasco between Bush and Gore. That bill was passed into law by both the majority of republicans as well as the lesser Democrats; but unbeknown to Democrats, at the last minute the Republicans slipped in a rider (I will assume overnight), and then added in a provision or amendment to move the Florida primary date up. Next day when the Democrats found out about it, they strongly objected and they also tried to introduce their own amendment to that bill in an attempt to separate the Democratic Primary from the Republican one by maintaining the original Primary Date; but the Republicans wouldn’t allow it and the bill was signed into law by the Governor of Florida Tony Crist.
Note: The automatic penalty was suppose to be a 50% reduction… and if Howard Dean had done that instead of a 100% reduction, the popular votes for Hillary Clinton would have been registered and she might have had the momentum at the beginning but did not because Howard Dean denied her that right.
Is any of this correct?
ClintonRodhamRules
Hey folks.
I’m about to change my email address and haven’t yet ‘Joined’.
Can someone send Murphy a link to a meetup tool that many of us are familiar with?
http://www.meetup.com
Great tool for us to organize state by state, town by town etc.
I’m so happy our ground ops is underway. :0)
I am sitting in a coffee shop right now, and there’s a car parked outside with NC plates, and there are large blue PAWPRINT stickers on the car–the perfect PUMA emblem for a car! I’m sure it’s some kind of mascot (maybe for a NC university or something?), but we have to get some of those! PUMAS would love them, and I certainly want them for my car. They look just like the pawprints in the new Just Say No Deal video.
To all PUMAs scratching their claws for action. You are wonderful! We are trying to keep up with you and it is a strain. What a compliment to you.
We are right now in the process of bringing up regional directors who will then moderate groups of state level directors. We are working it as fast as we can.
As soon as it is done then you will have a state director to contact. The state director can direct, suggest and coordinate actions as well as connect you to all the other PUMAs in you state (that want to be contacted). This will allow for local action and also allow PUMAs to gather for support.
Hopefully this will all be in place this week.
Some directors will be better at funneling info out (and up) others will be better at in-the-street action. We are hoping that the members will help the directors to fill in whatever gaps are needed to round out all types of action.
MAMA
MamaPumaMass@aol.com
#198 pa4hill,
yes, please post that link!
#180 sandipuma,
please, tell us about the hound email/newsletter!!!!
#193 texassherry on 07.02.08 at 3:44 pm
Fred- I agree with what you are saying but I for one do not even have enough money to pay for gas to go to the nearest city. If I did have the money then I would be right behind you doing leg work. Because I am broke I feel at least I can do something on the internet and I can also vote in November. For now that is all I can do.
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More than enough Puma. We can only do what we can each afford to do these days, and every small or large action helps towards our greater goal! Keep up the good work texassherry! We appreciate all you’re doing!
#196 FAYE4HILL I wonder if MO is going to have stop measuring for cutains in the Whitehouse. I am sorry tosay this but I would have loved to have seen her face when she was told they were being investigated!!
#179 Dragonfly
email me at MamaPumaMass@aol.com.
ask me to check to see if you are in the member list
You will be listed there under your email address - so use the same address.
Happy you signed up to your region.
PUMAs are on the prowl
Oh Obambi, I said it this morning when they showed it on CNN, you area total fraud. Why is this guy even a senator?? So corrupted, his resume is one page, his issues are three miles long. He needs to be remove damm it! Where is Hillaryyyyyyy????
#209 diva2 on
don,t be sorry to say anything about that angry mean woman …….
#7 nighteyes on 07.02.08 at 1:45 pm, WROTE
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I have been supporting Hillary for over a year now even though she was not my first choice; my first choice was Evan Bayh from Indiana. ]]
Evan Bayh from Indiana seemed like a nice guy. When I first started paying attention to the primary season I was for Hillary or Guiliani I being a native NewYorker and 911 very close to my heart. But as soon as Guiliani was out of the picture I started donating to the Hillary campaign.
As regards the War in Iraq, no candidate is going to get us out completely or quickly… It has to be done in stages or steps… so as far I am concerned its all spin until they take that oath of office.
But consider this, if you will: BHO has gained the support of many Shock and Awe Generals. Not THAT ought to tell you something right there!
On behalf of Murphy and company,
Welcome to PUMA!
okay guys byeeeeeeeeeeeeee later with more links..
#201 sandipuma
Okay it won’t paste. Could you just give us the jist of the letter in your own words?
#193 texassherry on 07.02.08 at 3:44 pm
Awesome communication.
We should set up a way for people to send info packets to others that may not have the ability to print/photocopy or have the money to donate.
For example:
I have no money and no access to a printer/photocopier. You have access to said devices and money.
You ship me the materials and I distribute it on the ground or we locate someone near you that can give you some packets.
Dear Fellow Democrat, ( LETTER I RECIEVED TODAY)
If you’re a loyal Democrat that visits our site regularly, you’ve already heard about Governor Ed Rendell’s idea of creating HOUND (Hillary, Obama United Not Divided). Democrats all over the commonwealth have already begun to join forces in order to elect Sen. Barack Obama to the White House in November. Throughout Pennsylvania, Democrats are putting aside their pre-primary differences and focusing on what is important: electing Sen. Obama as our next President and denying Sen. John McCain the chance to preside over a third Bush term.
From now on, it’s our job to HOUND McCain on all of the differences between himself and Sen. Obama, and we need you to joins us and pledge to do the same. When you take a look at McCain’s record and what he stands for, it becomes easy to understand why his candidacy needs to be muzzled. Join us today!
Click here and pledge to HOUND John McCain.
While pundits and certain members of the news media continue throwing McCain a bone about being a “maverick,” his record suggests otherwise. Too often, McCain has just sat, rolled over, or played dead on issues that matter not only to Pennsylvania but Americans everywhere. Seems like McCain’s bark is definitely worse that his bite.
Now it’s up to us to tug on McCain’s leash and do the following:
HOUND McCain on voting with Bush 95 percent of the time.
HOUND McCain on flip flopping on Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthiest people in the country.
HOUND McCain for supporting an unpopular war that costs $12 billion a month.
HOUND McCain for being absolutely clueless on the economy.
HOUND McCain for voting against funds that would strengthen local police departments in communities across Pennsylvania.
HOUND McCain for taking a walk on more than one million jobs displaced as a result of NAFTA, despite claiming to want to create more than 360,000 jobs in 1993.
HOUND McCain for having no plan to reduce your energy and fuel prices.
While it’s difficult to teach an old dog new tricks, we can certainly prevent him from continuing to leave a mess for the next generation of Americans.
McCain and his tired, ineffective policies didn’t work under Bush. Now he’s combining his own ineffective agenda with the disastrous policy stances of the last eight years. Let’s not take that risk. Continue HOUNDing McCain as much as possible so that this fall, we all can have a hand in changing more than the carpets in the White House.
So pledge to join us and forward this to others who want to be a part of our HOUND team today.
Tell them to click here and take the HOUND pledge.
Sincerely,
T.J. Rooney
Chairman
P.S. We’re going to need your help keeping McCain out of the White House, especially while Charlie Black and the rest of the McCain lobbyists/inner circle are getting him special interest money. So click here and invest $10 in HOUNDing McCain. Or just sign-up for a PA Dems MasterCard and they’ll make a contribution every time you make a purchase.
#206 mamapuma
thank you, will wait patiently, i know your working your tail off as are others.
#205 sandipuma
sometimes you have to try a few times to copy and paste. you can’t let it go backwards through the type. this kept happening to me and if you go straight down it should work.
RE: Mortgage issue — there is a Congresswoman that sent a letter to Congress requesting that Dodd withdraw from the finance committee that is investigating Countrywide and others. She also is asking for an investigation. I don’t remember her name or if she was dem or rep but if we find out who she is we could write her letters as well. Anyone know who it is?
Ditto, hotsky:
#103 hotsky on 07.02.08 at 2:39 pm
#70 Unlike many on this site I don’t have much of a warm fuzzy side. Life has been hard and I got hardened along with it. Yet, when I read your post …… it stopped me cold and took my breath away. I am so deeply sorry for your loss. Sometimes in the heat of things we forget that there are millions of human faces that are the reason for our beliefs.
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We mustn’t forget that politics has a human cost.
Divorce, death, family fracture….
read how Obama’s misguided and evil funneling of public funds to private pirates ends up in the death of toddlers….
http://cdobs.com/archive/our-columns/connect-the-dots-tony-rezko-allison-davis-barack-obama%2C1324/
I am just going to sream at the HOUNDS GRRRRRRRRRRRR
Did anyone else get this Letter??
Fred, chill out.
Action is worth slogging through the posts here.
It will happen. Nothing is instant, ala-kazaam! Except “I dream of Jeannie.”
I have some of the same complaints as you, but people who threaten to leave should simply be bid, adieu.
sandipuma,
i did not get this letter
#219 SANDO PUMA Thanks for the HOUND info. At least McCain took action unlike *61 who either never showed up or did show up but wouldn’t do anything except say is “present.”
” I came across a site last evening that had some pretty good information about organizing and carrying out protests/demostrations and the like. Even had a training manual for such actions! And how to watch each other’s backs, be safe, how to deal with the police and intimidators, what to do if arrested. Useful stuff (hope we never need the last item though). I’ll try to find it again and post the link later on.
#199 Dreyfus3 NJ ”
When the Dem Convention was in town a few years back, a couple of women’s groups got together and held meetings on counter-protesting (the religious right was going to be out in force at the clinics). I went with a friend and it was quite informative. On the day we went out, it was very organized and we had large groups at all the clinics where the protests were planned. We were also able to move quickly to reinforce other groups depending on where the protesters were concentrating. We were able to keep the clinics open and the women entering protected/ shielded from the protesters.
I’d check with some established groups in your areas and see if they have guidelines you can follow or are planning any meetings. Or if you get the guidelines/training manuals from the site, you may want to organize meetings.
I’ll be honest, haven’t read all the comments, so hopefully I’m not repeating anything
Another thought is, go to the Obama site and check their meet ups. I know they were planning on having tables and such at the Gay Pride events, so it might be good to follow their meet up postings and have people there to counter their actions 
#219 Sorry that was suppose to be sandipuma.
224 sandipuma
I think Scooby did and the many other made up names that filled their inbox.
#219 Sandipuma
omg, I wish I received such a bs letter!!!
I would show them HOUND … after PUMA had ripped its abdomen out!!!
well i am going to go to their site and GRROWWWLLLLLL
#219 sandipuma
thank you so much. PA Dems MasterCard!???? Do they tattoo a number on your arm also?
Also the use of the word “muzzled” that action has been ever-present in the Obama campaign . God he is so George Bush in a liberal suit.
Michelle Obama ’s Inferiority Complex….Good Read
by Dinesh D’Souza
Now that Barack Obama has pretty much wrapped up the nomination, it’s time to raise a question that lots of people have been talking about privately but not publicly. Is it possible that Michelle Obama is the force behind Barack Obama’s refusal to embrace traditional patriotic symbols? Could Obama’s wife be largely responsible for the candidate’s damaging associations with crackpot race-baiters like the Reverend Jeremiah Wright and the Reverend Michael Pfleger? In sum, could Obama’s wife be a large part of his political problem?
One might expect that the reaction of someone who gets so many privileges to be grateful to a society that makes them possible. But no. Michelle Obama thinks that her very success is an example of white oppression.
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
225 Zee
No, I don’t think Fred should be bid, adieu.
That kind of frustration in this movement is real and looking for a clear path.
Take that back please.
#148 FRED
I am in NJ and I will give out flyers put up posters but just tell me when will I get them, how many will you send me.
I’m a doer. I don’t blog often however, I have done everyting on the Action List / Daily Growl.
#234 goandersen
i agree and i think we will all get better organized once we are organized by region. it will make it easier to do groundwork and there will be a clear path for those that need one. we just have to hang together. remember everyone, we are only a month old and we will have growing pains but we need to stand united and supportive of one another.
230 Zee
you need to “chill out”.
We don’t tell people to leave unless they are a troll.
Zee, Fred, Goanderson
Ground Troups will be called to order very shortly.
To all PUMAs scratching their claws for action. You are wonderful! We are trying to keep up with you and it is a strain. What a compliment to you.
We are right now in the process of bringing up regional directors who will then moderate groups of state level directors. We are working it as fast as we can.
As soon as it is done then you will have a state director to contact. The state director can direct, suggest and coordinate actions as well as connect you to all the other PUMAs in your state (that want to be contacted). This will allow for local action and also allow PUMAs to gather for support.
Hopefully this will all be in place this week.
Some directors will be better at funneling info out (and up) others will be better at in-the-street action. We are hoping that the members will help the directors to fill in whatever gaps are needed to round out all types of action.
MAMA
MamaPumaMass@aol.com
Hello, PUMAS! I can never keep up with your posts…they move so quickly.
Anyway, saw this article, the author paints BO’s courage (or lack thereof) so dead on.
McCain isn’t a hero because he was tortured. He’s a hero because he declined an offer by his captors to be released, refusing to leave his fellow Americans behind.
It may not take much effort to get shot down, but it must take a considerable act of will to consign oneself to more deprivation and torture. It must take a level of courage unknown to most to place concern for others above one’s own interest.
Surely self-sacrifice, courage and loyalty figure somewhere in the calculus for selecting a president.
Then Parker briefly describes Obama’s courage when faced with some uncomfortable circumstances:
A few months ago, when the Rev. Jeremiah Wright first came to national attention, Obama was nearly demure when he said: “I can no more disown (Wright) than I can disown my white grandmother.”
He may not have disowned his white grandmother, but Obama didn’t exactly paint a sympathetic — or loving — portrait of her either. He essentially threw her under the bus, saying that she had made racist remarks while he was growing up, a statement that served only to highlight Obama’s own remarkable transcendence.
After several weeks of balancing his professed love for Wright with the controversial statements of his chosen father figure and spiritual mentor, Obama eventually left his church of 20 years. But why then, after all those years, did Obama finally find the door?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/07/courage_under_fire.html
Fred lives in San Diego - and can organise things that need funds if you don’t have money to do what your ‘noble deed of choice is’.
Fred is not rich by any means but is very concerned that we are not strong enough. More, More , More is needed. Truth be told, if every single PUMA is out there doing the ground work, it would still not be a match with Obama’s maching. But let that inspire you to do more not to discourage you.
This is a nation we are talking about. We are talking about a future president of USA. Can a bit of blogging and emailing and faxing change the course of the Obama
presidency? Can a bit of media exposure topple the next President ?
Lets get serious or we can just be happily typing our next 8 years away. I for one have got typist cramp already.
Let me apologize again - I just want to fire us up not put anyone down.
P/S: I don’t waste my time replying to people like #255 Zee -
#201 DreyfusNJ
Joe Wineke: (608) 255-8919 (fax)
It’s the fax to the DPW, I cannot find another fax number for him
OT - A suggestion for something people can do:
According to the Democratic National Convention Committee (DNCC) web site:
…the Tuesday of the Convention has generally featured debate and discussion of the Party’s proposed National Platform.
This year, the Tuesday of the Convention will be Aug. 26th - Women’s Equality Day.
It seems to me that would be a good day for a speech on Women’s Rights and Issues - and who better to give such a speech than Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton?
From the FAQ at the DNCC web site”
How are Convention speakers and performers chosen?
Decisions regarding speakers, performers and others invited to participate in the Convention program are generally decisions we will not make until later this year. Suggestions may be emailed to info@demconvention.com or mailed to the Democratic National Convention Committee at 1560 Broadway, Denver, CO 80202.
Not coincidentally to this suggestion, the Wednesday of the Convention is usually the day the nomination of the candidate for POTUS takes place.
Again, just a suggestion….
Wow, just realized that I have to go to work! See you all later tonight…PUMAS will change America! One paw print at a time but as we join forces in our states united there will be no stopping us! For only 1 month olders…I think my teeth are gettting sharper!
Have a great afternoon PUMAS!
NoMoreInFL Rodham PUMA
#222 zee
Couldn’t read the whole thing……to f#*&ing angry. I am well aware of Obama and the housing debacle. All for his own personal gain. Arrrgh. And this is how he wants to run low income housing all over the US !
This topic is on FOX right now.
Hello everyone,
Just checking in. I’m behind on my PUMA activities. I just e-mailed the Wisconsin Democratic Party and will send a hard copy letter tomorrow. I don’t understand what right they have to strip this delegate of her status. This incident reminds me of the last time I had any so-called contact with the state of Wisconsin. I e-mailed all of the LULAC councils in the U.S. to let them know about our protest and Puma PAC and the one council that sent me a complaint was the Wisconsin council. The person said they had reported me to the attorney general’s office. I sent a polite response and said that our intent was only to inform and that that was not illegal. Nevertheless, I assured them that I would not e-mail them again. I didn’t know that protesting and disseminating information on the internet about BO was now a criminal act in Wisconsin.
O.K., thanks for all of your hard work.
Best,
Lara08
They only spole about the loan for about a minute.
#70 Ohio Lady!
(((Hugs)))
So sorry to hear of your loss. For a parent that is the ultimate nightmare. What a brave soul you are to put your saddness into action like you are doing here. There will be many who will benefit from your work and dedications to this cause…most you will never meet or know. Take heart in that your daughter’s memory is so well served.
I am a real estate appraiser. In the last few years, we have all been on the look out for fraud and money laundering that often takes place using real estate transactions. Now that most states have property transfer information on line as public record, we can more easily trace the trail of money as it flows through these channels to clean it up.
Obama’s housing transaction smacks of money laundering and favor taking. It fits the profile completely. To sell someone a house at a discount while supporting them in a political campaign shows a strong possiblity of illegal political contribution as well.
The Chicago area is rife with real estate fraud. I have long believed that Obama was wrapped up in the mess.
Heneri
is there a new address for the HOUNDS???
Latest Gallup Poll - I know we don’t live by the polls - but its good news - Only two point lead separates the two - No Name 46% - McCain 44% - almost a statistical tie - after his having a 5 point lead for a few days - disturbing comment was that the Independents as they usually do are dropping and going for DEMOCRATS - and right now we know who that is —
Alucard Rodham Puma
Heneritta - good post - as an appraiser is there any way that YOU can track the transaction and see if it is under or overboard - you probably would have the know how more than anyone else to do that. Please.
Alu Rodham card
#240 Fred You would make a great District Leader in CA! *61 has hired people just like the ones he sent to Florida recently for their “march”…12 people! Our friends and family are more than that!
Americans are smart and if Hillary does not become the nominee in August, we will make them look like a few jumping fleas in those two months!
Really late but I hit the update button…off to work!
#70 Lady of Ohio
My heart goes out to you. God Bless you
IS There a new ADDY for ThOSE weakling HOUNDS??? I want to rip off a ear.
Hello all fellow PUMA’S and all of the wonderful new PUMA’S, I just completed my job for the day. Sent all of my letters from the daily growl and the letter posted and e-mailed. I lit a candle for you Ohio Lady. I am so sorry for your loss. I also lit a candle for Hillary. I also wanted to add that a couple months back on rezkorama.com there was an article and an satelite picture of #61 property showing a fence around the whole property not just his so called purchased lot. It showed the whole area fenced. I check this site everyday there is a lot of information going on there.
For anyone who is in Colorado, the millionvoicesmarch will have a meeting on July 12th in Denver so please join if you can. Taffy, would love to have you join us. We could use your energy!
BTW, does anyone know about the PUMA party group? I could of sworn I got a weird email from someone in that group yesterday trying to sell an online class offer….
#249 heneri
Hum, have you thought of contacting media with these thoughts? It has struck me odd for a long time that Rezko paid so much for that lot in comparison to what Obama paid for the house. It never occurred to me that Rezko might be trying to put a little soap and water on his money. At the very lest I would post this multiple times on No Quarter. Maybe Larry will pick it up and run with it.
Just a heads up everyone. I am not sure what the arguing is all about but I am uncomfortable with others wondering who should stay or not. Please remember those of us who have been here awhile have been able to express our frustration and now are able to take action to channel that. It is a growing process for all of us. I also ask that everyone remember we are also here to educate each other. In one month we have learned more about politics, the internet, other PACS, how to take action and know it is making a difference, even how to make happy faces, etc. At least this is why I am here. If someone is a troll their true colors will show early. Try and give people a break so they can “catch up” with where we are at. Because of new ideas we have learned alot and done alot. It would be far worse to not have the enthusiasm than to have it.
I am off my soap-box.
GO growl you great PUMAS!
diva2
I had a discussion with my daughter this afternoon. She believes, and has convinced me, that Condi Rice is going to be the McCain VP selection. Now that N. Korea is a quieter place, and the violence has lessened in Iraq, the selection might be more acceptable to the American people. Beth (daughter) thinks McCain would be smart to make that selection because of issues about race and gender that were raised in the democratic primaries. The concept is to let the Democrats fight out these things, then let the Republicans take advantage of them.
Time will tell.
H
Someone forwarded this video to me. Nobama Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MADZnsIkpdQ
Let me go check my letter from them those sorry looking hounds and maybe i can find something
Well, I did it!! I faxed the letter to Joe and also the letters to Rendell and Obama.
Boy, I hope the msm really go after bho’s mortgage mess! It’s about time they reported on facts instead of drinking kool-aid.
#70 go_ohio_lady, I was saddened by the story of your daughter Lisa. My thoughts and prayers are with you and I will be lighting a candle for her today. As another poster said we will carry her story with us as we move forward in our efforts.
#7 nighteyes, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. The more the merrier, Lol. Nice to see you here!
My story for today… I left a flyer with pull tags at my doctors office yesterday. I left it in the lobby before I went in to see the DR. When I came out I saw that 1 tag had already been removed. I’m hoping for a new member from here. I also left a flyer on the other side of the room.
My e-mail is sent for the superdelegate Debra to party@wisdems.org. I don’t have a fax.
Nice seeing everyone here!
diva you are so right and boy have we grown
A few minutes ago, I received a call from the DNC and after the caller identified himself as a Democrat from D. C., I told him I am not a Democrat. He asked, “Will you vote Republican?” I repeated that I am not a Democrat and hung up. This may have been a response to my recent fax.
Dialing……..connecting………sending……….SENT………my fax to Chairman Wineke
Antifish: WOW! that was awesome. Wonder if she would do a commercial for us…
Anyone in the Chicago area could access the electronic courthouse records and pull an assessor’s property card that tracks all the transactions related to that property in the last few years. Some states have information for more than 50 years of transactions, some less than 5 years. I am in NE Indiana, so don’t do any business over that way.
I can tell you that HUD/FHA has been in the Chicago area several times in the last 5 years, and there will be a good number of arrests shortly for this kind of crime. ( I have a relative who works for HUD, she cannot discuss it.)
As part of the Rezko investigation (one is still ongoing about some of the fraud he committed) the Obamas are very likely being investigated by Patrick Fitzgerald of Scooter Libby fame. We all know that Fitzgerald has no qualms about taking on the rich and famous. Some people in ‘my’ business believe that Obama might be in Fitzgerald’s sites. We should wait and see.
In the mean time, it is highly possible that Rezko will be brought up on further charges. That means Obama can be very adversely affected by that. I think this may be the republican October surprise that we always dread.
H
#261 Henerietta - I saw Condi say she didn’t want the job - pretty unequivocally, too. I wonder.
#60 go ohio lady;
I am so, so sorry for your loss. Just look at all the friends you now have to reach out in honor of your beautiful daughter. The Bible says “God will never put more on you than you can handle”. Keep your faith. God Bless You.
Here is my letter to Joe Wineke:
Dear Mr. Wineke,
I urge the Wisconsin Democratic Party to keep Debra Bartoshevich as a Delegate for Hillary Clinton. Credible evidence exists to demonstrate that the presumptive nominee was selected through less than democratic means. To alleviate the concerns of voters who feel disenfranchised and betrayed by the many abuses during the caucuses in various states and the attacks by the media on Senator Clinton herself and on her supporters, it is critical the Democratic Party try to repair the damage with transparency.
Unity cannot be accomplished if authority continues to be vulnerable to accusations of manipulated process and rules violations, such as the travesty that occurred on May 31, 2008.
To accomplish unity, a fair process during the Convention will be a critical step. Your leadership can promote unity if you support Debra Bartoshevich as a Delegate for Hillary Clinton. Clearly, Senator Obama is not the actual nominee until the vote at the Convention is taken. Historically, that process has resolved all close primary races. If that process is tainted by evidence that Senator Obama or his supporters strong-armed Clinton delegates out of the forum itself, then how can we be unified behind him? This is particularly true here, where the undisputed evidence is that Senator Clinton won the popular vote.
Senator Clinton deserves to be represented by the delegates she has amassed, until the Convention, when those delegates should be allowed to cast their votes without threat or intimidation. If our process is not above reproach, how then can we live the American dream? Is this the land of opportunity when voters do not have the opportunity to make a choice? I urge you to support Ms. Bartoshevich’s position as a Clinton Delegate. Please do not allow undemocratic maneuvering to divide our party and our people.
Thank You
Heather Lindsay
Puma PAC Democrat
http://blog.pumapac.org
I’m sorry folks, but I found this on the CNN Political Ticker to be absolutely hilarious, even though it is just plain wrong. LOL And this is deemed politically news worthy to CNN… Geesh.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/02/japan-phone-company-pulls-obama-monkey-ad/
just a repost from Sunday, but I just thought it was worth it as I haven’t seen it mentioned lately
this is from the Denver Group:
A private donor has contacted Heidi Li and has made an offer to match dollar for dollar the next $5,000 the Denver Group receives in contributions so that the next $5,000 will become $10,000 (we’re starting to feel a little like PBS).
We not only want our donors and others who support this effort to know it and to know that in a very short period of time ( only since last Wednesday) we are generating a lot of interest along with contributions, we want the DNC to know it too.
sorry, here is the address from the post
http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/2008/06/private-donor-offers-denver-group.html
#200 PA4HILL08
I know some places are iffy to leave flyers or stand and hand out posters… but if we get clearance for every single little action, it will be months before we can hand out and flyers.
No one is going to arrest you for standing outside the grocery store handing out flyers. The most anyone will do is tell you , that you can’t do that on their property.
So move to the next location. You are not commiting a crime that can be arrested on the spot.
I e-mailed the letter to Joe Wineke and copied Greta, Hannity, and Bill O.’
#267 mcr on 07.02.08 at 4:35 pm
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If it were me I’d have told him “I will vote for the best person for the job and in the best interests of our country, and since she’s not on the Dem ticket, likely I’ll be voting for the second best - who just happens to be a Republican.”
Anyone looking for work in NY?
http://www.meetup.com/jobs/
#60 go Ohio Lady;
sorry for your loss, God bless you and your family. Thank you for sharing, it reminds all of us that there are many reasons for supporting a change in this nation for the better.
#261, I also heard that Condi wants to return to teaching at Stanford and not accept the VP position; both Obama and McCain have met with Colin Powell. That would be a booster for Mccain if Colin bit and took the VP position. Also heard that McCain is looking at Katy—not sure of her last name from Texas.
104 DancesWithPumas, flying into SFO
Can’t wait to visit The Castro!
Will have plenty of PUMA business cards with me.
Will the PUMA radio start at 4 PM on the west coast tonight? If so, anyway someone could YouTube it for those of us that will be on the commute home at that time?
DancesWithRodhamPUMA, were are you in Berkeley?
Fred,
We don’t have to match Obama, we just need to create a big enough hole for him to fall into. I agree with you about “out of the box” solutions are needed right now, but also haste can make for a lot of waste. We don’t want to deal with our frustrations by spinning wheels. We need to “cut” where it will really hurt.
I’m a bit of a broken record on this one. I still believe Hillary can be the nominee and if we come from that perspective then we will galivinize in a different way.
I’ve noticed there appear to be different objectives among people here. There is the overall party reform objective, the stop Obama objective, and the resurrect Hillary objective (to which I subscribe).
Chaos is a part of growth. This pac is experiencing tremendous growth. I inadvertently stepped on some toes expressing this same perspective, so I understand where you are coming from.
My 2 cents is to be clear on a personal objective and then focus like a lightening beam on one or two actions that will have the greatest impact.
Billie,
They will have it on blog radio. They keep the shows so you can tune in later.
Oh man late again, I missed the cat and dog fight at the Hound Pound. Should I go over now and give em a good
Growl… Hiss…Swipe!
From Chuck Todd’s Q & A session on the website whose name PUMA may not say…
“Ira Lapin”
“Obama is a constitutional scholar, lawyer and professor. His current position on telecom immunity under the new FISA legislation would give credence to the Bush administration desecration of the fourth Amendment. On faith based initiatives: Our founding fathers went to great lengths to separate church and state, making it part of the Bill of Rights. They made it clear that they did not want religious zealots infringing on the duties of government. This initiative seems to be in in clear violation. Doesn’t this undermine his claim that he is a change candidate? Seems like this is normal political pandering. ”
This Poster sounds PUMA to me–FISA support is SO NOT DEMOCRATIC and would never had been the case with Senator Clinton.
#175 sheila7
I sympatise that gas is a concern HOWEVER, if you have the motivation, you could get some posters (sent to you postage paid to your door by UPS) and put them at your local anything (ask them permission if you have to) or if you go to get groceries, hand them out or just give them to your friends to hand them out.. Perhaps they have better access than you.
Gotta be creative and think outside the box - if you need ideas without driving anywhere, let me know- you might regret hearing from me personally because I can be so persistent.
I cannot be a leader of anything. I suck at leadership. I will be travelling for the most part from middle of next week till August. Very busy time for me. I wanted to get posters printed before I left but so far, Murphy is still busy and Maryland Puma too.
Without their approval - I won’t put the PUMA blog address on the poster.
pumaallie,
Yeah!!! Pay the debt, roll call, Hillary again! It can be done. This would be the DNC’s worst nightmare and what a tribute to the resolve of a few good people. hehe
here is a more specific email address if people are looking for it:
Joe Wineke
State Chair and National Committee Member
joew@wisdems.org
(608) 255-5172 (office)
(608) 255-8919 (fax)
222 W. Washington Ave. Suite 150 Madison, Wisconsin 53703
283 BillieJo
They put the mp3s up on the website afterwards or you can listen to it again on the site.
It’s at 7PM Eastern, I don’t know what that is for the West Coast, in my diary it says it is -4 hours, but check with the others too.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT/2008/07/02/No-We-Wont-and-Cynthia-Ruccia-of-Women-for-Fair-Politics
#270 I am in Indiana and do business in Illinois….let me see what I can find out…
nObama! nObama! nObama! nObama! nObama! nObama!
that’s all I had to say
also, if you’re planning on voting Mc this Nov, you might like to show support with a comment on this article. Another media attempt at discrediting nObama opposition… dragging up stories from 21 years ago.
http://www.sunherald.com/newsupdates/story/660742.html
Does anyone have street address ?
I am willing to help with some $$ if someone else wants to do legwork for PUMAS. I am not offering big bucks but would help $$ for fliers and postage for mailers. My heart and mind WANT to do alot but my body can’t.
I am in southern Washington/Portland area.
diva2
#58 cosmeta on 07.02.08 at 2:15 pm Redoing my previous post about the PLEDGE
See the following,
Editorial: Follow DNC rules on seating delegates
February 25, 2008
By Editorial Board
[[The Four State Pledge all candidates signed on Aug. 28 stated, “Whereas, the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee will strip states of 100% of their delegates and super delegates to the DNC National Convention if they violate the nomination calendar... Therefore, I ____________, Democratic Candidate for President, in honor and in accordance with DNC rules ...pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any election contest occurring in any state not already authorized by the DNC to take place in the DNC approved pre-window.” When the candidates pledged to campaign only in approved states, they were also agreeing to the terms listed above, which explicitly mentioned stripping noncompliant states of their entire delegation.]]
Of course, the editorial writer’s reasoning here is faulty: The candidates were not agreeing with the DNCs decision that the delegates in question should be stripped, only recognizing that the DNC had decided to do so, and were pledging not to campaign there as a result. If the legal implications of conditional clauses were that clear, then (for example), US citizens would only be allowed to bear arms under the auspices of authorities of their given state in order to defend said state from threats internal or external…and we know how well THAT is working.
(On a side note, of the five states who moved their dates up, only those expected to be favorable to Hillary got the harsher penalty. Further, Obama ran an ad campaign in FL in violation of the pledge, and should therefore have received no delegates from there. Even further, as he chose to remove himself from the ballot in MI, he should not have received any delegates from there either (although the “Uncommitted” delegates would of course be free to vote for him at the Convention).)
Fred:
I am in Indiana. I will be happy to distribute your posters too. You have my e-mail already if you would like to get address etc… If you have them in Spanish that would be great too.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT
is the front page of the blog radio site.
(for those that are new or haven’t seen it before)
the downloads of previous shows are on that page.
#207 hillwarrior
If you go to college websites, they have a link to their store to buy campus related things (pawprints). You just have to locate which school. Of course it may be a high school mascot, not a college.
#227 fred
Ah, I love you to pieces. Having worked for a big box retailer for years I can tell you you are absolutely right. The retailer does not want bad publicity. They will ask you to leave if you are impeding the flow into the store the absolute last resort for them is to call the police, if it were turning into a shouting match they would probably do so. You see the real motivation here is they don’t want their paying customers to feel uncomfortable. So, you give the door plenty of space and best case scenario you walk up to people coming from the parking lot with a smile on your face and say ” would you take a puma flyer” and no matter what the answer is you smile and tell them to have a great day. This should not be done alone! Having done this I would say 4 is close to a perfect number.
Fred I wish you lived in MA we would make a hell of a team.
Upon popular request, reposting from this morning for our Pumas on the west coast –
I received an email from Senator Clinton’s finance committee yesterday with a request to help pay down her campaign debt. An exerpt of the email follows:
“In the next two weeks we are going to make a serious push in putting a dent in this campaign debt to pay off the vendors. It would help us a great deal if you would commit to raising $5,000 - $10,000 and have all of the funds collected and sent to my attention by July 11th. Contributions can be sent via mail using the attached form and should be made out to Hillary Clinton for President and sent to 4420 N. Fairfax Drive, Arlington, VA 22203 Attn; Finance. Contributions can also be made online at https://contribute.hillarycampaign2008.com/form.html?sc=3200. Obviously these are targets; whatever you can do to help — would be deeply appreciated. If you have already maxed out in primary funds, you will be unable to contribute towards the debt retirement…
We have been on this journey together with Hillary for the last 18 months, and yet there is still so much more to accomplish. A critically important task we can ask of you at this moment is to help us reduce the vendor debt.
Thank you again for everything you have done and continue to do to support Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party. She will never forget it. ”
If interested in helping out, and only if you can afford to and only as much as you can give, please use the link they provided above. It’s a secure debt specific donation link that goes directly to her website. If you want to mail a check instead, and want a copy of the debt donation form to submit to the Campaign office with it, email me and I’ll email it out to you. The form is in PDF format by the way. I do know there is a plan by many in the coalition to donate on the 4th, Independence Day, in an amount of $20.08.
FRED - Well, you sure lit a fire under my tush!
I say “Have at it”.
I live in Maryland, county, but close enough to city (considered die hard Ovomit land) to make me a wee bit nervous, but I’m going to jump out and build my wings on the way down!
Now keep in mind that Politics was a subject I always steered away from, peace lover that I am, but I realize silence and the safety of this blog ( as you pointed out) isn’t going to obtain the ultimate goal.
I think most of us are with ya! But… please be patient with us, as we are in training. Still a pumette here.
#149 FRED
You’re in San Diego???? Fantastic!!
There are times when I just can’t believe my good luck!
Who else is in the San Diego, greater San Diego area??
Let’s get busy!
Hey, alla youse… please don’t harrass Fred.
Good late afternoon, Pumas! Just got back to my computer. Haven’t had time to read all the posts but I did fax the letter to Chairman Joe Wineke. What have I missed and is there anything else we should be doing today?
Also, had lunch with my tennis bunch today and the lady next to me, a big Hillary supporter, disappointed me in stating she would vote for Obama because she doesn’t like McCain. I could not convince her not to vote for him, she tried to tell me all the stories about him are made up. However, when I told her I had campaigned for someone here in town for Mayor, she told me a lot of garbage about him which I said wasn’t true. She said she looked it up on the net and I said but I thought you didn’t believe the things you read on the net. So, she’s drinking the kool-aid, too. We can only hope that this Rezco thing blows wide open, or anything for that matter. I did read one post here and I agree we need to get out on the street with our message. I’m going to check my yahoo mail and see if I have heard from anyone in my area who wants to get together.
article in cnn about obama’s national service plan ( again vague if you ask me) - -i mean look how obama gets the shiny big article and pic, and mccain gets a little mention at the bottom.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/02/obama.service/index.html
@henrietta i personally would be concerned if condi was the vp nom– i am not a fan of hers, and she to me would align mccain in w/ bushism– sigh
@who said that perception is key and americans are dumb dumbs- I really think that is sadly true overall, but I hope we can change that. Maybe we should all be required to take a basic 8th grade civics course- do they even have that anymore??- There’s a book about the dumb American voter that is out right now that was highlighted on daily show.
sent off my email…
#208 MamaPuma
That is awesome news!
Could one of you Pumas please educate me a bit.
I know the Superdelegates can change their mind at the convention. If there is a roll call vote.
I don’t think pledged delegates can change, or can they?
Is a roll call vote part of the regular program or does someone such as Nancy Pelosi call for it. Can the Supers call for one?
Who has the authority to say No roll call vote? Hopefully not NoName now that he owns the DNC.
As we get closer to the convention, I would like to really target the delegates again. I’ll be out of state during the convention so want to get my 2 cents in before I leave.
Thanks
How many Illinois and Northwest Indiana Puma’s are there? We need to get out in force in Chicago. There are festivals, concerts, the taste of Chicago, events everyday, every weekend. A great place to hand out flyers, sign petitions….etc….
The same in Colorado. There are all kinds of tourist attractions, concerts etc. Let’s get creative and get out of the house…off our butts and go talk to people, just like we did when we volunteered for the campaign.
This is our campaign now…to get Hillary to the convention
Left wing talk radio is upset with Obama’s meeting with the faith based coalition but are trying to downplay it. They are saying that while they don’t agree with it they understand why he is doing it.
How hypocrital is that?
ACTION: Sent my letter to Joe Wineke.
NIGHTEYES: Welcome to PUMA!
BO and mortgage deal: Not surprised. If the MSM had been doing their job from the beginning he would not be the nominee. Grrrrr.
I checked one of my e-mail accounts and got a response that Pelosi didn’t accept e-mails at the address I gave you this morning unless you were a constituent in her district. If you are not, here is the one to use: AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov
So I e-mailed her again sending the video of the misogyny and sexism against Clinton.
Hi fellow Pumas, this is my first post, but I wanted to report that I just successfully faxed my Chairman Wineke letter and sent messages to other like minded folks who will hopefully do the same.
Take care everybody!
Laurey
I sent the email, couldn’t think of a better way to word it. Also I wrote on last night’s overnight kitten after every one came up here so I’m going to re-post it for those Pumas who are having password problems. Here is the post Fellow Puma’s if you have a Google account, go in and erase your history.(on NoQuarter they tell you how to erase the history. If you have a Google site, I’d move it to Wordpress. Google has a reputation for keeping track of your searches and they have contributed to Obama. I don’t use Google search anymore, I use Yahoo. I started to get a Google account when I,
wanted to make a comment on Emilyslist, but they wanted me to give friends addresses, since “I wasn’t a member of any blogs(wrong) then they sent me to Emilyslist to make a contribution. I just backed out of the whole thing. I have multiple spy-ware and a firewall so haven’t had any problems yet. So please beware of Google. Hope someones still here to read this.
blessings
Witchy 1
Welcome Laurey4Hill
welcome nighteyes , laurey4hill( who’s been here but just posted about the daily growl), and to all new pumas!–
#308 utahpuma - Nancy Pelosi as Chair of the Convention has the authority to ensure a roll call vote. We have a letter to her in the action page http://pumapacusa.org/ seeking her confirmation that it will occur. I have also drafted a letter to the Co-chairs of the Convention to put additional pressure on the Speaker.
You are right that superdelegates can change their minds. Pledged delegates are not permitted to do so, I believe, but I believe it is also true that delegates can be replaced! This has been happening in Florida. And now we see it in Wisconsin. If a pledged delegate is replaced, that is a lost vote for Senator Clinton on the floor.
The political maneuvering here is shady, reminiscent of the secret meeting approach of May 31. I believe we should speak out against it.
A shout out to Laurey4Hill. Welcome! It’s great to see so many new people here. Very encouraging!
#261 Henerietta
Would love to see a woman on the Repub ticket, but Condi is so close to Bush that it seems naming her would play right into the Obama campaign strategy of McSame. I want to see McCain take a stronger stance against Bush policies to beat BO.
Can’t stay but I thought this was interesting - back later. Apparently the DNC is going to put convention protesters in a “wire fence” area far away from the convention center where no one can hear or see the protest:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jun/30/dnc-protest-groups-file-new-court-challenges/
NEWS ALERT - Clinton’s 4 McCain Rally!
Independence Day Rally
On Independence Day, July 4th, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton will make a joint campaign appearance in Washington, DC/Northern Virginia area.
Location: Washington DC/Northern VA area in front of FOX Studio’s - July 4 - Clinton’s 4 McCain are declaring independence in a very loud protest rally.
We find this appearance of unity offensive on many levels, since we don’t see the Party as united at all and view this as nothing more than a stunt to fool the public into believing the “healing” process is over and Hillary’s supporters are behind Obama. Nothing could be further from the truth.
ACTION PLAN: Just say “No Deal” and protest this blatant political stunt tactic.
While many of you have different reasons for feeling disenfranchised from this years election process, we all seem to have a common goal - NOBAMA! Let’s make sure our voices are heard, loud and clear. It’s time to unite and say NObama!
It is to declare our independence from the DNC and from Obama, Sexism, Unfair Politics and Media/Hollywood bias.
To join in and participate in the Independence Day Rally - contact: Cristi Adkins, RN Cht and/or Ann Borone for more information.
#292 NOW THATS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT - you were always great with the HRC site - what ever happened with the Mayor of Gary and I think the Mayor of Hammond regarding the delay announcement of votes there - keeping a diary -
Alu Rodham card
312 Laurey4Hill
welcome.
#312 Laurey4Hill- Great job and welcome to our Puma Den!!
Welcome to nighteyes too!
FAITH BASED INITIATIVE IS NOT NEW! A LOT OF FEDERAL FUNDS HAVE BEEN CHANNELED THIS WAY THROUGH STATE DEPTS. UNFORTUNATELY A LOT OF MONEY HAS BEEN WASTED THRU THIS ROUTE.
WAS IT A BUSH OR CLINTON ORIGINAL?
Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics filed a complaint which
triggered an initial inquiry into Senators Dodd and Conrad. Let’s
ask Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics to file a similar
complaint regarding Barack Obama
http://www.citizensforethics.org/about/contact {regarding his special mortgage deal.}
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2008/06/ethics_panel_to_probe_dodd_con.html
Ethics Panel to Probe Dodd, Conrad Mortgages
The Senate Ethics Committee is beginning an initial investigation
into whether Sens. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) and Christopher Dodd (D-
Conn.) got preferential mortgage rates from Countrywide Financial
Corp., even as the two senators are taking decidedly different
approaches to dealing with the revelations.
Senate Ethics Chairwoman Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) confirmed today to
The Washington Post’s Paul Kane that her panel had received an
official complaint against Dodd and Conrad, a step which under
Senate rules automatically triggers a preliminary inquiry into the
matter. The watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in
Washington wrote to both the House and Senate ethics panels last
week asking for investigations.
For his part, Conrad has already announced that he would donate
money to charity to make up for his alleged mortgage benefit, and
that he would refinance the mortgage on an apartment building he
owns, one of his two mortgages in question. He has also paid off the
remainder of his loan on a Delaware beach house and has said he
welcomes an Ethics inquiry.
Dodd, the chairman of the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs
Committee, attempted to address the issue himself today in a press
conference that, to use the journalistic cliche, “raised more
questions than it answered.”
“As a member of the United States Senate, the idea of asking or
seeking any kind of financial preference … is something I
completely reject, and any offer that would ever be made I would
terminate immediately any suggestion of it,” Dodd said. After
recounting the comparative shopping process he went through to
obtain his two mortgages, on houses in Washington and in
Connecticut, Dodd said: “At no point did anyone ever suggest to me
that we were supposed to get some ‘deal’ out of Countrywide. I never
spoke to anybody except loan officers about this, never any higher-
ups or any senior people at Countrywide.”
After reiterating that point, Dodd casually mentioned to surprised
reporters that he and his wife had actually known back in 2003 that
they had been put in some sort of “VIP” program.
“In fact we knew at the time, I think, going into it, we got a call
and were told apparently that we were being dealt with by that group
within Countrywide,” Dodd said, explaining that he was told “there
was a VIP section we were in” but he did not assume he would get any
special treatment as a result.
“We thought it was a courtesy,” Dodd said, later adding that he had
figured his VIP status was based on the fact that he and his wife
had two mortgages in good standing with the company. He did not ask
what the VIP status meant, nor did he ask if it had anything to do
with him being a Senator.
As for whether he would emulate the way Conrad has dealt with the
issue, Dodd said, “I don’t know that we did anything wrong. I
negotiated a mortgage at a prevailing rate, a competitive rate. …
I don’t feel at this point I have any obligation. I did what I was
supposed to do.” Dodd said he wouldn’t terminate his loans with
Countrywide because he doesn’t want to “blame the whole institution”
for what happened, and that he wouldn’t refinance because rates are
higher now.
Deliberately or not, Dodd also took a shot at Conrad during the
press conference. Conrad has admitted that he spoke directly to
Countrywide CEO Angelo Mozilo when he was shopping for a mortgage,
though he has denied he knew he was getting any special treatment.
Asked about his own relationship with Mozilo, Dodd said: “I don’t
know the man. … I’ve never talked to him about my mortgages and I
never would. The idea that you’d call the CEO of a bank to get a
mortgage, I just wouldn’t do it.”
In an interesting bit of timing, Dodd and Sen. Richard Shelby
(Ala.), the top Banking Committee Republican, announced before
Dodd’s press conference today that they had reached a bipartisan
deal on a housing bill. Dodd dismissed any suggestion that his
mortgage controversy would affect his ability to shepherd the
measure through the Senate. “This is the first time I’ve ever heard
anyone suggest this [bill] was a favor to Countrywide,” he said.
It appears that the Teamsters have been busy. Some are questioning the relationship between Obama and the Teamsters. Here is the link.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/07/020889.php?icid=200100397×1205019084x1200227040
Who’s next under the bus?
1. Rep. Alice Palmer, 12/18/95
2. Bill Clinton, 6/15/07
3. New Hampshire Voters, 1/10/08
4. Hillary Rodham Clinton, 1/12/08
5. Black superdelegates, 2/15/08
6. Louis Farrakhan, 2/26/08
7. Austan Goolsbee, 3/3/08
8. Samantha Power, 3/8/08
9. Geraldine Ferraro, 3/11/08
10. His grandmother, 3/18/08
11. Michigan voters , 3/19/08
12. Typical white persons, 3/20/08
13. Asian supporters, 4/7/08
14. Clingy, bitter Pennsylvanians , 4/11/08
15. Rev. Wright , 4/29/08
16. West Virginia voters , 5/9/08
17. Kentucky voters , 5/16/08
18. Father Pfleger , 5/29/08
19. Democracy , 5/31/08
20. His church , 6/1/08
21. Roy LaVerne Brooks, 6/3/08 22. Tony Rezko , 6/3/08
23. Bill Ayers , 6/9/2008
24. Jim Johnson , 6/11/08
25. Black fathers, 6/13/08
26. Muslim women, 6/18/08
27. Campaign-finance reform, 6/19/08
28. Liberal blogosphere, 6/25/08
19. Michael Klonsky, 6/26/08
30. Gun control, 6/28/08
31. Gen. Wes Clark, 6/30/08
32. MoveOn.org, 6/30/08
33. Welfare recipients, 7/1/08
Laurey
Welcome. Thanks for jumping right in.
#302 MsBinMD — way to go. I like your spirit - build your wings as you go - if you fall, get up and try again.
What ever your passion is for being on this blog, we have a common thread. We need talker’s and we need do’ers - no one is indispensible. Lets try something a bit more un-comfortable - we may just surprise the heck out of ourselves.
#292 Thanks Goalucard4Hill-
Yep we are old Hillary buddies! Well, I am still fighting with Clay of course! He denies anywrong doing. However, I have pictures, of voter fraud which are in the hands of the right people. Mayor Tom McDermott is still a very big Hillary supporter. I have been corresponding with him. I am working on a very big project that I really cant talk about yet, but when it hits….it is going to explode….I will talk about it more when I can…but because of threats….and where I live….and what I know I have been in disguise. The truth will prevail however….thats why I keep saying…..she is going to the convention…we just need to get that debt paid…and working our hearts out. I still am working as much and as hard as I can. I will be in Denver !!
Welcome to the den - Laurey - glad you are here.
All, according to Fladems.com there were 3 four state pledges total.
http://www.fladems.com/page/-/documents/THREE_pledge_versions.pdf
PLEDGE 1: (received by Florida Democratic Party from a presidential campaign)
Four State Pledge Letter 2008
Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina
August 28, 2007
WHEREAS, the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee, along with approval from the full body of the DNC, established the 2008 Presidential nominating calendar in 2005.
WHEREAS, the nominating calendar increases diversity with the early participation of African Americans, Hispanics, Asian Americans, Native Americans and labor members.
WHEREAS, the nominating calendar honors the traditional role of retail politics early in the nominating process.
WHEREAS, the nominating calendar provides geographical balance with contests in the Heartland, East, South and West.
WHEREAS, it is the desire of Presidential campaigns, the DNC, the states and the American people to bring finality, predictability and common sense to the nominating calendar.
WHEREAS, the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee will strip states of 100% of their delegates and super delegates to the DNC National Convention if they violate the nomination calendar.
THEREFORE, I _______________, Democratic Candidate for President, in honor and in accordance with DNC rules, pledge to actively campaign in the pre-approved early states Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina. I pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any election contest occurring in any state not already authorized by the DNC to take place in the DNC approved pre-window (any date prior to February 5, 2008). Campaigning shall include but is not limited to purchasing media or campaign advocacy of any kind, attending or hosting events of more than 200 people to promote one’s candidacy for a preference primary and employing staff in the state in question. It does not include activities specifically related to raising campaign resources such as fundraising events or the hiring of fundraising staff.
___________________________ __________
John/Jane Doe, Doe for President DATE
PLEDGE 2: (on the Iowa Democratic Party’s website)
Four State Pledge Letter 2008 Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina August 31, 2007
WHEREAS, Over a year ago, the Democratic National Committee established a 2008 nominating calendar; WHEREAS, this calendar honors the racial, ethnic, economic and geographic diversity of our party and our country; WHEREAS, the DNC also honored the traditional role of retail politics early in the nominating process, to insure that money alone will not determine our presidential nominee; WHEREAS, it is the desire of Presidential campaigns, the DNC, the states and the American people to bring finality, predictability and common sense to the nominating calendar.
THEREFORE, I _______________, Democratic Candidate for President, pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any state which schedules a presidential election primary or caucus before Feb. 5, 2008, except for the states of Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina, as “campaigning” is defined by rules and regulations of the DNC. ___________________________ __________ John/Jane Doe, Doe for President DATE
PLEDGE 3: (the one John Edwards signed)
WHEREAS, over a year ago, the Democratic National Committee established a 2008 nominating calendar; WHEREAS, this calendar honors the racial, ethnic, economic and geographic diversity of our party and our country; WHEREAS, the DNC also honored the traditional role of retail politics early in the nominating process, to ensure that money alone will not determine our presidential nominee; WHEREAS, it is the desire of Presidential campaigns, the DNC, the states and the American people to bring finality, predictability and common sense to the nominating calendar.
THEREFORE, I John Edwards, Democratic Candidate for President, pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any state which schedules a presidential election primary or caucus before Feb. 5, 2008, except for the states of Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina, as “campaigning” is defined by the rules and regulations of the DNC. It does not include activities specifically related to raising campaign resources such as fundraising events or the hiring of fundraising staff.
Where was the link for that statement of intentions that I saw this morning, I can’t find it now. Just wanted to read it and see if I could make suggestions.
What is the plan for it?
Also, have you seen the manifesto for DONE Dems?
http://donedems.com/manifesto/
It is a good one.
the PUMA PAC aim is probably different, but I wondered
if it might be helpful if all the PUMA coalition could agree on the absolute minimum?
What we need is like in the original Continental Congress, everyone got together to agree on a combined declaration. Perhaps?
#324 SARTOM
FBI (faith based initiatives) are a GW Bush invention to assist the his Republican evangelical cronies in accessing federal money.
Perhaps BO is planning the same flow for his Rev Wright’s brand of religion?
Henrietta you are keeping me busy lol
Well this tee shirt site seems to have jumped on the PUMA wagon to capitalize– ( keep in mind they still sell the bros before you know what tee sigh)
http://www.votewithyourshirt.com/shop.php?action=search&q=hillary%20pumas
the Obiteme shirt and the DeMcrat shirt is rather clever! I assume PUMA isn’t benefiting from the shirts that say Pumas right?
#225 ZEE
~I have some of the same complaints as you, but people who threaten to leave should simply be bid, adieu.~
I’m not sure I agree with this. I’d rather hear the reasons people are thinking about leaving because there may be others who are feeling the same but not expressing their grievances. I’d hate to think someone left over an issue that was easily corrected, or over one that we could have brainstormed a solution, or reached some sort of consensus / compromise.
Does anyone else want to have a PUMAPAC presence at this protest in DC in addition to Clintons4McCain?
#336 KYkitten on 07.02.08 at 5:38 pm Well this tee shirt site seems to have jumped on the PUMA wagon to capitalize– ( keep in mind they still sell the bros before you know what tee sigh)
http://www.votewithyourshirt.com/shop.php?action=search&q=hillary%20pumas
the Obiteme shirt and the DeMcrat shirt is rather clever! I assume PUMA isn’t benefiting from the shirts that say Pumas right?
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I would not be surprised if some of these t-shirts are made by BO people to get money for his campaign. Does anyone remember that football player, I believe was from Seattle but was injured and barely played, who made up shirts putting himself down and sold them in I believe CO before a big game? He made a ton of money, and had a good laugh.
Hi Pumas
I need your help. There is a contest by AKC to choose a dog for Ovomit. Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier is winning. I own, rescue & foster Wheatens and I don’t want him to be matched with one. I am currently fostering a male named “Murphy” Please vote for a another dog for him. Maybe the Chinese Crested with its African heritage or a poodle since he is the DNC’s lapdog, but I like Poodles too.
Thanks!
http://www.akc.org/poll/special/presidential.cfm
Jackie Mason on Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ5c6hxqXq4&NR=1
#336 KYkitten yes there are some good tshirts on there! lol I don’t think they are official, but what the heck, its the American Dream?
I think there is official merchandise from here that goes to donations? I thought I have seen it somewhere, if not there should be.
The TShirts are another way to get the word out, but be careful because of the the sports brand puma, it is not the same because P.U.M.A is an acronym, but they might get fussy about it if it is not clear.
#207 probably for the Carolina Panthers….NFL football team
@339 Middle age female– I wouldn’t be surprised either– I had red flags, when I found a video link advertising it on youtube — and then the subject on the youtube link said PUMAs Roar! Go Hillary!
or something which is of course why I clicked on it not knowing it was a T-shirt ( not tee like i said before “blush”) ad.
Prplvette you were always one of the hardest working supporters of Hillarys that I knew over there - and always always enjoyed your posts with your progress - I feel like I am on the WINNING team with you there.
God bless you and all your untiring efforts.
Alucard Rodham Puma
Welcome to our new Pumas!
Let’s remember that Hillary and Bill have to show support for BO because they have the backs of many AA politicians who endorsed Hillary, and are now facing backlash from their constituents. That the racial politics have become so delicate and hostile is another legacy BO can be proud of.
With the GOP brand so sullied, I’m astonished that the polls are this close. This election will be about BO and that should worry the DNC to no end.
Sent my email to Wisconsin.
How are we doing with fundraising for the video? I believe we have until near the end of this month to raise the $$.
I will sign up for my region in just a sec. Perhaps through those regional e-conferences some of what we are planning to do won’t be visible by “visiting” eyes.
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To the mother of Lisa - I am so sorry. I am so sorry that our society didn’t have a way to rescue your child. If we had universal health care, it would have softened the blow. If we had more unemployment intervention for those in between jobs, it would have given her hope. If we had some sort of mortgage suspension for those who are temporarily unable to make a payment–we could ease a lot of despair. That’s a lot of ifs…
Hillary could have mended much of that–she had that focus.
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So, we talkin’ billboards???? I’ll give $50…tell me where and how.
TXPUMA - how about that breed that just won the ugliest dog contest - boy that was one ugly dog.
LOL
Drac Rodham
@342 pumaallie yeah that’s a good pt- I mean I thought they were clever but didn’t like looking at the bho ones they had - but yeah you’re right American capitalism — they’ve heard us roar, if they think they can make money off of us lol millions x 19.99 lol
#340 TXPUMA, Done, voted for the Chinese Crested, lol!
I think if we are going to buy t-shirts, we should support PUMA. I can’t see giving someone else the money we need.
http://kiser.newsvine.com/_news/2008/07/02/1632060-an-exclusive-interview-with-will-bower-co-founder-of-puma-party-unity-my-a?r=799664749&r=517591307&r=1723749028&threadId=304300&cmt=2106416#c2106416
An interview with Will Bower on Newsvine.
Join and comment, vote it up. It’s a great article.
How about this idea for getting the word out:
Either PUMA can create and market them on the Action Center Page, or individual members can go to any sign shop and have a magnetic sign made to put on your cars are you drive around. Just remove it after parking to prevent vandals and theft.
Also check with your state and local goverments about putting magnets on cars… each one may have its own laws.
Target Senior Citizen Centers, groups, events, and housing…. etc.
I haven’t had time to catch up yet. Letters as requested (FAXED) as instructed. I want to listen to the blo radio tonight at 7:00 EST. How do I do that? I found the web site. Do I just go there and it will automatically start playing, do I have to refister, call? Please help me figure this out as I really want to listen. VA PUMA
so sorry for busting the scroll lock. I am kicking myself already.
What’s the process, cost, restrictions on inserting a
flyer with local newspapers?
While reading the manifesto at donedems, I had a thought about why Wes Clark slammed McCain. IMO I think he did not want to be Obama’s VP. Even though he endorsed Obama as everyone else has, he knew he was on the short list. Some people on that list emphatically stated they were not interested. I think Wes Clark still has an allegiance to Clinton and that may be why he said what he did and he’s not backing off. So he is off of Obama’s list. Also, there is something about Jim Webb and the Confederate flag. That’s not going to fly either.
Emailed my letter today regarding Debra B.
This BO mortgage thing is so not surprising. He is worse than the typical politican!
Latin Puma - because of the quantity i have to use a commercial printing company and to make another run in Spanish is about 3,000 sheets minimum. If we can even get the first poster off the ground and if it was successful, I can definately make one in Spanish. The Spanish group cannot be overtaken by Obama. He is leaving no stone unturned - like we didn’t already know.
you know what, ladyhawkke I had the exact same thought!
Very interesting article on how BO is trying to walk a tightrope between the left and the right.
I hope those Kool-Aid drinkers wake up and smell the kool-aid.
http://lpwillham.newsvine.com/_news/2008/07/01/1629399-obamaniacs-youve-been-had-obama-is-now-the-faith-based-president
yeah does puma have a cafepress store that benefits us?
here is what i came up w/ searching on there- i like the little koolaid guy in the O lol
http://shop.cafepress.com/puma-hillary
#357 utahpuma
each paper is different. minivee is gathering information for each state, i checked in st. louis and it was about 35,000-40,000! you would need to call your local paper but it is expensive. actually maybe minivee is just doing swing states? i don’t remember but in the contacts in the action center she is there.
#345 Goalucard4Hill Thank you so much. I feel very at home here. We are a hard working bunch. You are in the right place, be assured of that. God Bless you.
#34 hotsky on 07.02.08 at 2:02 pm, WROTE,
[[ the HOUND site is still up!!!!! search “hound rendell” and it’s at the top of the page. I’m thinking I might join just to see what’s going on and then report back. What do you think guys? Stupid or worth while?]]
Hell… if BHO can erect a site for his supporters to SPY the internet… and that’s what it is folks… he is asking his supporters TO BECOME HIS SPIES… not good… not good for a potential candidate for the presidency to do, imo. It’s worse than what Bush has done for pity sake.
So yes… go, but dont leave your real info. And if you have to confirm an email address… use one you use for SPAM or create one.
Then report back to us!
heeheehee
Hi PUMAs,
All the information re mortgage and property upstairs was available this winter, but no one (MSM) would pay any attention to it. I researched it and it was readily found. Said it on the Hillary site, but was ignored. Now its BIG NEWS! Ugh. Bo just can’t cover up anymore. He doesn’t have Senator Clinton to use as a screen.
utahpuma
that price is for looseleaf inserts, not sure if they would just insert a flyer, not in st. louis
how much to advertise on the big screen at movie theaters? couldnt you just see our PUMA GROWL on the big screen, in surround sound?!!!
#358 Lady
You bet, Wes Clark, isn’t that stupid to say something that wasn’t well thought out. He knew exactly what he was doing. I thought he’d be an excellent VP under Hillary and before that an excellent President but he didn’t have the experience in 2004 nor the money. But usually the best leaders are never at the top.
#316 DRAGONFLY Re: pledge delegates. I am going to try and whisper this. I once heard Pelo talk about the delegates “flocking” to *61 and she said “even a pledged delegate switched from Senator Clinton to *61 which is almost never done.” Don’t want to promote this but just an FYI. Not that I believe anything she says…
diva2
#325 I asked them to investigate Obama about his special mortgage deal.
I don’t know if anybody else saw it but just a few minutes ago on NBC news they showed a black woman singing “black anthem” instead of the “national anthem” at a government meeting in Denver. Nobody even stopped her and when the reporter asked her if she was sorry if she offended anyone she said no and smiled.
Hey, PUMAs
I’m back under a different name. My posts are getting moderated.
MURPHY - Look under mayor0102
Thanks, Murphy
Sent my email to Wisconsin.
On the run today but will get caught up with everyone tonight. Just one interesting observation….. Obama does the tv commercials. Everytime I hear his voice or see him I am frantic to find the remote. I feel my BP rise. I am amazed by this physical reaction. Anyone else have this problem?
Lisa
Diva2
My new name, same old e-mail!
Hello PUMAs,
I sent my fax for Debra B.
When you consider BO’s mortgage, don’t forget that Rezko helped BO buy the property/house. BO’s district ended up with low-income housing unrenovated that was supposed to be done by Rezko.
Disgusting! Living in that big, fancy house at the expense of low income families. How low can you get?
LisaNC,
i have the exact same reaction. i yell from the other room, turn it off! my husband says i’m ridiculous but i tell him “just turn it off!” LOL
Hi Everyone,
I just wanted to post and let you all know that I have sent my email to Chairman Wineke.
Also, I wanted to let you all know that the prayers are doing well for our family friend, Christina McSweeney. She came very close to passing over the weekend, but has since stablized and is making some improvments daily. Please keep the prayers going for Christina. Thank you so much!
Melissa
can anyone tell me how accurate the Huffington report is in regards to the donations and names/addresses?
I’m filling out envelopes for my zip and the next town over and I’m seeing same name with different addresses.
Help?
#35 PA4HILL08 on 07.02.08 at 2:02 pm, WROTE,
[[In other words, as I see it, what I do with my personal website(s) has nothing to do with PUMA PAC’s goals or integrity, just because I am a member of PUMA PAC. Now if I were to represent PUMA PAC, like putting the PP logo up on my nobama website, then what transpires on that website may have potential to reflect negatively on PP. That would not happen under my watch.
Does any of this make sense. I just thought Fred had another good idea that needed some defending.
]]
As long as you do not infringe upon copyright privledges or misrepresent the Charter of the PUMA PAC Charter, your website(s) are yours to do with as you please.
The name PUMA, by itself cannot be copyright protected I don’t think because it is the name of an animal and as such would be public domain. Same might be said of the PAC meaning People’s Action Committee (I am assuming)… but when the two are placed together PUMA PAC then all of a sudden you are in another area of legalese because there are copyrights, trademarks and logos to consider; not to mention having Murphy’s permission to form an Action Center url.
And btw, I am not a lawyer but I’ve been around long enough to understand the pros and cons of internet life.
Here is the link for the woman singing the black anthem instead of the national anthem.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,375164,00.html
Hey halligan~ did you have problems getting on in your old name as I did? VA PUMA
I found a way to post the poster - created a my space but I am not sure how to make the poster bigger.. it has Obama’s “bitter” comments and Michele’s “just now proud” comment which is hard to read..
http://www.myspace.com/agathalewis
Thanks Sheila 7.
I yell and talk to myself until he disappear’s.
Lisa
#376 LisaNC
I fell exactly the same. He is OMNIPRESENT, and it is indescribably creepy.
Missy #380
I missed the info about Christina. Glad to hear the news is better. My prayers to her for continued improvement, too.
I will post the article here
please go over and comment on it and vote PUMAs
http://kiser.newsvine.com/_news/2008/07/02/1632060-an-exclusive-interview-with-will-bower-co-founder-of-puma-party-unity-my-a?r=799664749&r=517591307&r=1723749028&threadId=304300&cmt=2106416#c2106416
PUMA, which stands for Party Unity My A**, is a group of democrats (and, for that matter, Republicans) who feel disenfranchised by the DNC, the party elite and Barack Obama. They say they can see through Obama’s persona. They say they the media tried to marginalize Hillary Clinton, as the media is trying to do with PUMA and it’s supporters. PUMA reportedly has 2 million members, not counting the ones who may not be aware of their existence.
In an exclusive Newsvine interview, Will Bower, the co-founder and spokesman for PUMA answered some questions:
Q: Overall, what would you say is PUMA’s main initiative?
A: One of PUMA’s main initiatives is to safeguard and promote the democratic process.
Q:In Michigan, Barack Obama received 29.5 delegates that were marked as ‘uncommitted’. Do you feel that was fair?
A: I don’t feel that that was at -all- fair.
Q:Since you think it was unfair that Obama received 29.5 delegates that weren’t actually his, how do you think the delegates should have been divided?
A: Firstly, I think Michigan should have been granted a waiver long before any names were taken off the ballot.
Secondly, Obama should have never taken his name off the ballot. He did not do so out of “compliance” or “respect”, as this was never asked of the candidates. He removed his name as to avoid a recorded loss to Hillary in Michigan. His poll numbers were poor and were falling in the days leading up to his withdrawal from the Michigan ballot.
Thirdly, we’ve always used the “Uncommitted” option for delegates in the past, for exactly situations as these. Those Uncommitted delegates would have still had the option to vote for Obama at Convention and could have been lobbied and encourage to do so in the months beforehand.
So, in short, I believe Hillary should have received all of her delegates, and Obama should have then had the option to secure the Uncommitted ones.
Q: If Hillary Clinton was the Democratic Party nominee, do you think there would be a PUMA organization of Obama supporters who feel the same way PUMA does?
A: Yes, I do. However, I don’t feel that they would be as well positioned to affect the election as we PUMAs are now.
Q:You say you feel ‘hoodwinked’ by the DNC, why is that? What did they specifically do that betrayed Clinton supporters?
A: As for what the DNC specifically did to betray Clinton supporters… There are *many* specifics… disproportional delegate allocation, selective application of “rules”, wrongful disenfranchisement of voters, bias of supposedly “impartial” party leaders, and selecting a candidate over the true will of their own people.
Q:When you say ‘wrongful disenfranchisement of voters, bias of supposedly “impartial” party leaders, and selecting a candidate over the true will of their own people’, are you implying super delegates? If so, do you think the super delegate system should be abolished?
A: I wasn’t making any references to super delegates. I was talking mostly of Nancy Pelosi. Pelosi was supposed to be an impartial referee in all of this. However, she consistently underminded Clinton’s message at every turn. Whenever Clinton spoke of a unity ticket, Pelosi went to the media to say that that would be a bad idea. Whenever Clinton spoke of the virtues of the popular vote, Pelosi went to the media to say that the popular vote was irrelevant.
Q:If you desire to change the political process by defying the nomination of Barack Obama as the Democratic nominee what change is it you are trying to create?
A: We are holding the parties accountable. Our motto: “If the parties won’t uphold democratic principles, who will? If the voters don’t hold the parties accountable, who will?”
Q:Personally, out of both major party candidates, who do you feel best deserves to be President of the United States?
A: Given that the Democratic Convention hasn’t been held, and that Obama is only the “presumptive” nominee, I will still say “Hillary Clinton”. However, if you are asking for me to choose solely between Obama and McCain… I would choose “McCain”.
Q:Why do you feel out of the 2 presumptive nominees McCain most deserves to be President?
A: At this point it boils down to two words for me… “trust” and “experience”.
Q:If Hillary Clinton was the democratic nominee, do you feel she would have a better shot a defeating John McCain in the general election?
A: Yes, I do.
Q:Why would Hillary have a better shot in the General Election than Obama?
A: As we saw the primary season progress, we saw that Hillary’s message was resonating with those voting blocks that have been deciding our elections for many a decade… especially swing voters in swing states. In terms of issues, I believe that the economy is and will be of extreme importance in November, and I feel that voters are much more confident in Hillary’s ability to address the U.S. economy than they are with either Obama’s or McCain’s.
Q:After Hillary’s run do you feel as if the reality has come that a woman can become President?
A: Yes, I do.
Q:Do you believe that a main stream media infatuation with Obama was key in his victory over Clinton?
A: I believe that it was a key, yes. I feel that insider preference within the DNC was another.
Q:You call supporters of Hillary Clinton who believe Obama was wrongfully given the nomination ‘a sleeping giant’. How big do you think this mass of people who feel this way really is?
A: The JustSayNODEAL.com coaltion represents over 2,000,000 people… and that’s just including the people we *know* about via online means. The number is certainly larger, if you include the many other voters out there who feel similarly but are not involved in online activities. I will also note that our numbers are growing steadily and strongly.
Q:Is it mostly middle aged women that are members/supporters of PUMA?
A: Middle aged women are indeed well represented within the PUMA movement; however, the movement is still a very diverse one.
Q:Do you think that Obama’s relationship with William Ayers, Rev. Wright, and other controversial entities is relevant?
A: To an extent, yes, I do. However, personally, I am not a PUMA because of that issue.
Q:What about John McCain’s seeking, receiving and rejection of an endorsement from Pastor John Hagee?
A: I feel that the relationship between McCain & Hagee is so less significant than is the relationship between Obama & Wright that I feel that it is almost irrelevant to compare the two situations.
Q:Do you feel that a perverted media has produced an election season that is mostly based on appearances, patriotism, religion, and gaffes and other pointless gibberish rather than the real issues?
A: Indeed, I do. If this had been about real issues, I believe that Hillary Clinton would solidly be the Democratic nominee today.
Q:In the end, who do you believe will be the next President of the United States?
A: Believe it or not, I still believe that Hillary Clinton has a reasonable path to victory in 2008. I’m not yet prepared to say that I “believe” that either John McCain or Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States.
* 8 Votes
#384 Virginia
Yep! Posted twice. Went to moderation. Then I murphied and it was “immediate.” She’s the greatest.
#370
Do you think the General is really still in Hillary’s camp or planned it with BHO?
Lanny Davis yesterday said the General was wrong and BHO was right!
There is a silent defection going on?
I just went to hcsfjm.com. I love listening to Ed Hale, a true farmer. He needed $4,000 and wondered where he would get it when someone offered to buy bales of hay for $12,000! So for the next 3 days, Ed is going to be cutting hay! He’s a good guy with a big heart.
To All PUMAS
My “former” local Democratic Party has a booth at the July 4th festivities. They were loaded with O stuff. Been thinking about clipping some PUMA fliers to the back of their tent where the main path to the festivites is located. Unfortunately, the Republican booth has no McCain stuff at all. Told them that was not the way to get him elected (sadddddd). Not that I’mvoting for McCain. It’s still Hillary and I can write her in on our state ballot with no consequences. At least I can live with my conscience.
Hello, all,
I just got a call from Cynthia Rucci from Women for Fair Politics. She is organizing a ground troops movement–she is personally calling people! If you are interested go sign up on Women for Fair Politics. They are movin’ Very exciting.
DancesWithRodhamPUMA, were are you in Berkeley?
TONY REZKO
March 03, 2008
YouTube - Obama faces questions on his connections to Tony Rezko
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHY5LzLW1hU
Here are some other YouTube links to Tony Rezko
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tony+rezko&search_type=&aq=f
#391 I just don’t see how he would say something like that and not know what he was doing. I always thought Hillary would pick him for her VP. Also, I’m disgusted with Lanny Davis. I got an e-mail at my yahoo address regarding a big conference call regarding “Celebrating Hillary” but when I found out Lanny was moderating it, I told them to take me off the list as he had already endorsed Obama. I don’t want to have anything to do with him. The only true one is Stephanie Tubb Jones of OH and the black man from Congress in her district (can’t remember his name). They went above and beyond for Hillary and I respect them for standing firm.
#391 Sartom
Not quite sure yet about what the relationship is between O and Clark. I’m writing Clark as we speak.
#394 Hillgirl she is on the radio tonight.
I have already posted the link once or twice but posting it again can’t hurt as it is on in 23 minutes
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT/2008/07/02/No-We-Wont-and-Cynthia-Ruccia-of-Women-for-Fair-Politics
392 ladyhawkke on 07.02.08 at 6:31 pm
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Yea, I joined Ed the first day he came out on the web. He is a force, ain’t he? chuckle
#383 That’s freedom of speech. Let people be.
Hope this isn’t a repeat and that the link works. Best, Lara08
“Obama Voters Protest His Switch on Telecom Immunity” The New York Times (7/2/08)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/02/us/politics/02fisa.html?_r=1&th=&adxnnl=1&e
Posted on NYT web
My sympathy to those Obama supporters who are now finding his positions changing hourly. As a battle-scarred veteran who has seen the campaigns of Eugene McCarthy, Shirley Chisholm, Ross Perot, and Ralph Nader, have the promise of REAL change only to be defeated by the same-old, Washington politians, I can empathize. Obama promises change but his supporters like Axelrod are Chicago -style operatives with connections to Mayor Daley. Obama is a charming, intelligent Senator who showed real promise before he decided to sell out to the Washington insiders and flip-flop on every single issue to appeal to the widest possible number of voters. While I applaud his message of “bringing us together”, it is simply not possible. The idea of gays and evangelicals being able to agree on much of anything is ridiculous, when one wants to change, conform, or eliminate the other.
I feel your pain. I am also disappointed in Senator Obama, but feel that this is a warning that if elected hidden agendas would appear. I simply don’t trust him to walk-the walk- no matter how elequently he talks-the-talk. Remember, Bush was elected as a “compassionate conservative”.Hopefully we have all learned the lesson that a politician will say anything toget elected.
Remember, chewies and doggy treats are better for training HOUNDS than whips.
Once again~ I want to listen to the blog radio tonight at 7:00 with Cynthis. I have the blog spot. Once there, what do I do? Anything or will it just start on its own? Please help
#399-Thanks, PumaAllie. Sorry it is Ruccia! She is really very nice and is doing so much. If you want to contact her email me at hillgirl.puma@gmail.com and I can give you her email address. I think they are starting by concentrating in the swing states–PA, Ohio etc.
DON’T FORGET
BLOG RADIO @ 7 PM EST
URL @ # 399
WEBSITE: IOWNMYVOTE.COM
An interesting PLEDGE:
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On Saturday, June 7, 2008, Hillary Clinton suspended her historic campaign for President. To her 18 million voters, it may have seemed like an end, but I pledge to make it a beginning… a beginning of a movement to achieve the democratic and just country that Hillary has envisioned for America.
I stand together with Hillary Clinton’s 18 million voters to demand that Senator Obama and the Democratic Party:
* Bring us together by seating 100% of the Florida and Michigan delegations in Denver with 100% of their votes, allocated in accordance with the popular vote of each state.
* Bring us together by adopting policies on the Platform Committee that Hillary Clinton has championed.
* Bring us together through reform of the primary and caucus system to reflect the basic principle of one person/one vote.
* Bring us together through outspoken denunciation of all gender bias, racism and other forms of discrimination.
* Bring us together by fairly and respectfully including Hillary and her supporters at the Democratic National Convention in Denver by, among other things, placing her name in nomination for President, conducting a roll call vote, and providing her a prominent speaking role during prime time on August 26th, the 88th anniversary of women’s suffrage.
I own my vote. It does not belong to any party. It does not belong to any candidate. It does not belong to any mob that would impose its will on me. Only I can decide how to use my vote, and I can decide based on any criteria I choose. Therefore I pledge not to give my vote to anyone who does not earn it.
http://www.iownmyvote.com
Linked from NOQUARTER
Not sure if this was posted elsewhere, but AOL News has a survey regarding Obama’s behing-the-scenes dealings with labor unions. There’s a good article also. this is not new, but apparently Obama is getting a little scrutiny. Hope it’s not too late. Go to AOLNews.com. The poll is to the right and you can click on the blog there also.
383 texassherry
OMG! Did that ever piss me off! “creative expression” says she. Well, go sing on the freaking corner then!
#401 Lara- I am sorry but I disagree. She was asked to sing the “star spangled banner” and didn’t. You have a right to your opinion and I respect that but I have a right to mine too. This sort of action will definitely lead to a civil war. Just read the comments after the article at Fox News.
So now we have a Black Natonal Anthem. Boy, this stuff just makes me sick. Obama the Divider.
Go to 18 millionstrong and be counted.
http://18milstrong.wordpress.com/2008/06/07/count-me-in/#comment-493
goandersen-thank you. I am glad that I wasn’t the only one that was offended.
Hey, our Murphy will be interviewed on BlogTalk radio on 7/3 at 8PM!
412 texassherry
I am steaming. If these people think it is so bad here, go somewhere else!
First it’s his ‘presidential seal” now it’s the ‘black national anthem’
I have to go out and pound the ground. BRB
#362 Hillmania
Interesting article. Thanks for posting. As I posted last night, I’m a strong Christian and a strong separation of church and state advocate. Randi Rhodes was talking about this very item as I went passed the radio a few minutes ago. She was making all kinds of excuses for O. She makes me sick! I believe that churches have a big role to play, but not with tax payer dollars. I agree its just the continuation of a walk down a long slippery path that our constitutional founders didn’t want us to go on at any time in this nation’s history or future.
This newscast is from yesterday. If this senario plays out while Bush is in office then the law he got passed can go into effect and he will be our president for ???????? many years??
http://www.newsvine.com/_video/2008/07/01/1630873-iranian-official-israel-will-regret-an-attack
RE: email from ‘whitey liz’
Are these people even from this country? I wonder.
hillgirl, email sent.
If anyone is need a little inspiration, listen to JK Rowlings Commencement Address at Harvard. Here is a quote.
“Even your nationality sets you apart. The great majority of you belong to the world’s only remaining superpower. The way you vote, the way you live, the way you protest, the pressure you bring to bear on your government, has an impact way beyond your borders. That is your privilege, and your burden.”
Here is a link to watch on video.
http://harvardmagazine.com/go/jkrowling.html
#414 goanderson
No, don’t pound the ground. Just let the pigs and the chickens out. No hounds however, we’ve had too many of those recently.
PA4HILL08~ Please answer. I’ve asked 3 times. What do I do to listen to the radioblog?
#403 virginia.puma
There’s a Listen Now button to the right. Try that at 7 pm.
#403 virginia.puma on 07.02.08 at 6:40 pm Once again~ I want to listen to the blog radio tonight at 7:00 with Cynthis. I have the blog spot. Once there, what do I do? Anything or will it just start on its own? Please help
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When you get to the site it should tell you how many minutes before the show starts. Then at the appointed time it should start automatically or you may have to refresh the page to get it to start. Right now it’s saying 7 minutes til show time!
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT
Comment posted on Newsvine:
We’ve survived the “compassionate conservative”, now we’re ready for a “faith-based”
presidency. Why don’t we just elect Billy Graham or Ted Haggard to the office; . . . maybe Pope Benedict?????? Politicians lie . . . especially to get elected. There’s no telling what Obama would actually do if he is elected. He’s flip-flopped so many times I don’t know where he stands on issues any more.
And sadly, with all this flip-flopping he can’t be trusted to keep his promises.
Have to keep giving those doggy treats.
#421 Virginia
Me, too PA. How do we get to the radioblog and 8 PM (what time zone)
420 halligan
Are you a newbie puma?
#423 PA4HILL08
Yes it is on in a few minutes. If you are on the site, it should just start.
If it doesn’t then try clicking a few things (play button)
I am sure it will be on.
#421 virginia.puma on 07.02.08 at 6:53 pm PA4HILL08~ Please answer. I’ve asked 3 times. What do I do to listen to the radioblog?
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See post #423. It should start automatically. Mines been counting down the minutes while I watch the page.
Good Lord -Murphy I just saw your update with letter . I did have to copy and paste in My Word Program in order to read it. Where on earth do they find these people?
This is a re-print out of the letter:
it was great. by your answers, you’re upset with the dnc more than you are with
obama. so why are you so hateful on HIM?
Me thinks it’s racism for sure, but from what i’ve so easily gathered in the last
few minutes on line, you’re actually a republican all along!
well, that no surprise.
your millions strong is a really FATT joke. obama leads by a WIDE margin. see that?
whitey! if you were any pastier you’d flake away in the wind. soon, i am sure.
–from Liz
(another whitey!)
37 cjv on 07.02.08 at 2:03 pm, WROTE,
[[ On a previous thread some suggested looking at the local newspapers for a simple three line ad directing directly to blog.pumapac. Many communities have small local papers where the cost may not be too much for many who care to place ads. I forget which thread it was where how to simply submit the three line suggestion. Does anyone remember where that was?]]
That be me….
Yesterday’s thread
If I can recall, a three line WEEKEND ad can be as high as $150 … too much for many, and maybe not for others… I just thought it was worth mentioning.
My point was to coordinate and do it on the same day for maximum exposure. But not to worry… it was just an idea.
425 halligan on 07.02.08 at 6:54 pm
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Time zone is EST. See response 422 and 423
#425 halligan on 07.02.08 at 6:54 pm #421 Virginia
Me, too PA. How do we get to the radioblog and 8 PM (what time zone)
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Should be 8PM ET. To get to teh radio blog go to: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT
Once there it should start automatically at or shortly after 7PM tonight, not before. Tomorrow it will be at 8PM with Murphy. Tonight is Cynthia Ruccia.
3 minutes til show time tonight!
Update above, as noted by Star Dust.
#130. Thanks, good link. We can send this to all the major media web sites. The more spread, the better. Obama’s mask is coming off, smart Americans are seeing his real face soon. Wolf is wolf.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT
Show coming up shortly! Less than 1 minute.
If your at: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT.
You’ll probably need to click on the ‘listen now’ button that appears.
#305 KYkitten
Your post to the article is another example of what I commented on the blog downstairs (today):
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/02/obama.service/index.html
I worry that Obama’s true agenda in this call to service (which is aimed mostly at the youth) is some form of gestapo militant like actions. He’s slowly eroding our democracy and I truly believe he has a big picture plan in mind only his rhetoric is vague because he knows it wouldn’t have appeal to the general public (only to his radical friends). So he has to pander for our votes to achieve the ambitious power he seeks in order to implement his real plan.
****o/t***
the 12yr old girl missing –found dead –
sad!!!!!
shame on whoever did it
its very disturbing …
Virginia
If you haven’t found it yet, the reminder button turned into a Click to Listen button on the left of the black box.
Here’s another idea for the creative genius’ at the ACTION CENTER:
You know how when we go out for a walk with our dogs that people always stop and say, “Oh, how cute. What bred is that.” bla bla…
Well, how about a saddle to drape over the dogs back with the LOGO OF PUMA.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT
Click on the orange ‘click to listen’ button.
What is this “activate” system she’s talking about??
Go to AOL NEWS and vote in the survey regarding Obama and labor unions. also read the post on that topic. I saw this on another blog many weeks ago and it has surfaced on AOL News. He favors less federal oversight. I wonder how Bobby Kennedy would feel about that.
antifish wrote… Obama is doing a fine job of self-destructing and if any of our actions nudge him along, well that’s just icing on the cake.
I agree 100%! Obama will mess up his own campaign. I wouldn’t pay too much attention to polls, either, because the MSM is trying to convince the public that Obama is doing better than he actually is. Does anyone honestly believe that evangelicals (the non-Black ones) will vote for Obama? I’m glad the MSM is finally noticing us and all those who saw this Dem process for the horrific railroad job it was.
#413 PA4Hill08
That’s great. I am so excited. I just emailed Bill O’Reilly asking him to get Murphy and Will Bower on the show. I told him that tomorrow we are turning 1 month old. I will also send the same email to Larry King and other shows. It would be so exciting.
I keep on missing the radio shows. Is there any way for me to go back to listen to it later? Thank you guys.
Good evening PUMAs,
First, I would like to welcome all the new members. Glad you are here.
There are so many posts to go through. I am trying to catch up.
Again noname is making headlines. Why won’t these people just admit that he is not the best choice.
Back to reading the posts.
virginia.puma,
were you able to listen? it’s on now.
BLACKSCORPIO,
are you new? i haven’t seen you before. if so, welcome to pumapac, if not hello.
#445 anonymous
The radio show is still on. Click the link to blog radio in a post just above yours and then click the “Click to Listen” orange button. All shows are also archived and can be listened to later from the same web site page.
Hey everyone…..Did anyone get a call from the BO campaign? My mom who is 59 years old today called me and was infuriated, they called her on her cell phone. She asked the guy where he got her cell number so on and so forth, he said so can we count on your support and she said HELL NO( if you knew my mother, you would know that she said more than hell, she worked with truck drivers for 25 years) he then asked her why not, is it because he’s black….her answer was no it’s because he is an inexperienced fraud…..he then asked who she would vote for, she said Mccain, he said you can’t your a registered democrat, she then used a few choice words and said she would vote for who she ever damn well pleased, he then said well i guess you are mad and I probably can’t change your mind, her answer absolutely not, he then ended the conversation by asking her if she wanted to donate money to the dnc,she told him to kiss her ass, and that was it…..True story…..I told her next time give him my cell number.
#437 mzebest on 07.02.08 at 7:02 pm, WROTE,
[[ I worry that Obama’s true agenda in this call to service (which is aimed mostly at the youth) is some form of gestapo militant like actions. ...
So he has to pander for our votes to achieve the ambitious power he seeks in order to implement his real plan.]]
He’s said similar things during the primary. Most notable was the College speech he did in Ted Kennedy’s absence. It was a speech that enraged some because he asked our youth to forgo good jobs in order to serve such as in the peace corp. He also said that we should give up our SUV’s and lower our thermostates.
So to answer your question and the question many of have.
CHANGE MEANS,
WE DO THE CHANGING
AND NOT HIM!
SEE!
He’s a hypocrite and I worry becasue many of our young are falling for his rhetoric hook line and sinker. So that if and when they hear the words Yes we CAN… they will follow along like ants marching to their death.
Sounds like my dream the other day, now doesnt it.
Murphy, just got here and read that stupid, stupid email.
bless your heart…and again you and all of us rise above.
I don’t think they quite know what to make of us as we don’t respond in like.
I’ve been busy, not blogging much these past few days, but logging in and keeping up as much as I can. What I have been doing is talking to as many people as I possibly can about what we’re doing, and trying to get the attention of many who do not keep up, or blog. There are many out there who are rolling over as they don’t know what else to do, are busy in their own lives with jobs, children, etc. I am reaching out to as many as I can touch and making an effort to educate them on what has been going on, that they never hear about on the MSM.
I believe this is what I must do. I feel pulled to branch out as much as I can, however I can. I’ve also been emailing friends and family and spending hours on the phone sharing the current issues that many never hear about.
I have also been encouraging the Republicans that I know to get behind their candidate and make it their business to stay “tuned in” and not allow the election in November to slip through their fingers due to their own lack of unity.
I’ve been sending lots of letters, as well.
Just wanted to check in. Whether I am here blogging or somewhere else…I’m always here in spirit!
PUMA POWER!
Just read the update email from crazy-in-Zeee-head in our post. I see they’re back to calling anti-BO people racists again when they can’t “artfully” defend their messiah. I suppose they are working hard to change the definition of racists in Webster as: any person with negative comments are thoughts toward the one.
ME thinks Zeeee is hitting the kool aid hard today because of the loan news on BO.
Hi All,
My buddy and I just thought of this as a protest. When ever we see an “o” sign out we will tape a package of kool aid to it.
Do you that is a good idea or would it hurt the cause and is it legal? Frankly I’m finding the idea hilarious.
LOL # 454.
Cute idea. Not sure the “O” people would find it funny.
Since we, as citizens through the U.S. Government, own both the airwaves and the Internet, I sent the FCC a letter of complaint. The letter focused on:
1. Biased and slanted reporting and derogatory language and
2. The use of the airwaves to promote their own political agenda by the five major corporations that now control the media industry.
Today I received a reply that contained an FCC brochure on “Complaints about Broadcast Journalism”. The following is an excerpt from the brochure:
“Complaints regarding news distortion, rigging, or slanting can also be filed with the FCC. There is no charge for filing a complaint. Complaints must contain documented evidence in support of the allegations. For example, it is not sufficient for a complaint to allege only that a broadcast station made a mistake in reporting a news event. The complaint must include documented evidence showing deliberate misrepresentation.”
Perhaps rather than blog or complain to MSNBC or CNN etc since they ignore complaints anyway it might be worth filing a complaint to the FCC.
One can file a complaint using the on-line complaint Form 2000E found on the FCC Web site at http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/complaints.html. One can also file a complaint with the FCC’s Consumer Center by e-mailing fccinfo@fcc.gov
#451 cosmeta
You wrote: “He’s said similar things during the primary. Most notable was the College speech he did in Ted Kennedy’s absence.”
I know. I heard that speech and that’s when a huge red flag went off in my brain to keep all the other red flags company.
I had a professor in college that once warned us that when people speak in generalizations about the doing things for the good of mankind… he said we should run like hell in the opposite direction because talking about mankind is an abstract. And turning individual people into an abstract group like that helps to minimize the importance of individuals. It makes it easier to hate and see people as enemies if they don’t agree with your agenda towards “the good of mankind.”
I agree with what that professor said… and I hear Obama talk like this all the time.
time to leave work so I’ll be away from the computer but will catch up with posts later (when I get home).
Hi #454….I believe it is illegal to mess with an opponents sign in any way, shape or form.
We can find other avenues to make them miserable.
Ugh, those letters from Obamacons are sickening. Sorry you are receiving those, Murphy, but you have stuck yourself out there for what you believe in and are taking the bigger hits.
LisaNC - I get the same way when I hear his voice. It is deeply visceral, because I feel is so very wrong, wrong, wrong.
Sergei R. - I have appreciated your comments–very intelligent and astute. Are you a lawyer too? Good to see you here.
Welcome other newcomers! Seems like our PUMAS are coming out further and further on the ledges to prowl.
Hey Y’all!
I fell into the wolves den last night and it has taken me all day to shake it off. Boy, those people are rabid with their “ratf*****r” comments and racist bile. I commend all of you who had the courage to oppose their foul diatribe and defend Murphy and Pumas alike. It did cause me to think as to why we congregate on this blog - and they likewise on theirs - and it pointed to a commonality in all of us. We seek to be among like minded people. We seek affirmation - or exposure - in our unique way of thinking. And I don’t care if Murphy is a Republican or a four- thousand- year- old alien sent here to take over the world, I applaud you, Murphy, for providing this shelter and all of us Puma’s for having the good sense to find our way home.
So, in that spirit I emailed a letter to my congressman , Lloyd Doggett today and wanted to proudly post it here.
I plan on providing copies to all of my family at our reunion on July 4th and I encourage you to use this holiday to “PUMArize” those in your circle of influence.
Dear Lloyd Doggett,
This is not the first time that I am writing to you. You should recognize my email and home addresses as we have communicated a few times in the past, especially over the war in Iraq. When we are on the same side of an issue you seem to pay attention to me. But recently I wrote to you in opposition to your support of Barack Obama for President and you have yet to reply to me. Now that a few weeks have gone by and more truths about Obama and his Chicago-style politics have come to light, I wonder if goose-stepping behind him and toeing the party line is serving you well?
When you deconstruct the word “democrat” you get “government by the people” or “rule of the majority”.
Why then would you support Obama when Hillary Clinton won the majority of votes? And don’t tell me about caucus results and the “Texas Two Step” because I will tell you what a fiasco that was! We even had to call 911 at my precinct because people were denied the right to vote and utter chaos ruled the caucus.
The reason that there is a ground swell of dissent and disatisfaction with the “selected, not elected” nominee is that we, the Democratic people, have been played from both sides. First, by Republicans and meddling independents who voted for Obama in the primaries just to block Clinton from the ballot in November. No doubt, as we are already seeing, Obama is a much easier target for them. Secondly, we got played from inside the party itself! Howard Dean, Democracy for America (ha!),Pelosi, Brazile - have all tried to push this candidate down our throats, against our stated will and then admonish us to “get over it”. I WILL NOT GET OVER IT! This hijacking of the Democratic Party for the benefit of one faction - “change’, “progressive”, ad nauseum - is not sitting well with millions of voters. About 18 million voters to be exact!
I strongly urge you to reconsider your allegiance to your constituents - I being one of them - and turn off the sound bytes for awhile and the forest of American flags and now the lapel pin of your suddenly “patriotic” presumptive nominee, and put your public support behind Hillary Clinton for President. Or have they foregone the convention this year?
On behalf of my friends and my family - in Abilene, Wichita Falls, Fort Worth, Arlington, Grand Prairie, Burleson,Itasca, Allen, College Station,Killeen and Austin-
we love our country, we fly our flags, and if we are “bitter” it is because our party is throwing us out and we have no where to turn except John McCain in ‘08.
Please help the Democratic Party save itself.
Vote Hillary Clinton for President.
Sincerely,
XXXXXXXXX
PUMA Democrat
#450 michelle47 on 07.02.08 at 7:18 pm
Nice mom, great mom. I liked how she handled the DNC call. In fact I move that we should answer to the DNC by saying; “Kiss my ASS!”
TXPUMA: I just voted for Chinese Crested…Perfect for Obama…hairless, poor thing, and his connections are as foreign as Obama’s. Only 6% now. Have to Aug 19 to vote! Keep asking to get it done! Pumas helping Pumas you know!
#459 Oh well. Was a funny idea thanks for the info.
Maybe if we put them under neath?
#450 michelle47 on 07.02.08 at 7:18 pm
addition - like your mom responded;
“Kiss my ASS!”
You could always tape a kool aid sign next to it.
70 GO_OHIO_LADY
[[ Wanting to achieve the American Dream, be independent, own her own home, she bought a house. Not long after she lost her job and lost her health insurance, her home was going into foreclosure. So overwhelmed and feeling so hopeless, sadly, my precious daughter Lisa, 40 years old, took her own life on October 2, 2005. Lisa will never achieve the American Dream now, nor will she ever put a crack in the ceiling like the 18 million of us]]
Oh my goodness.
My heart goes out to you and my sincere condolences for your loss. There is nothing worse than losing a child… It is just something that is never suppose to happen.
If I may… and not to take away from anything you have said… and not to undo your grief because you are entitled to that….
But if I may,
I understand how money matters can be so very damaging to our family life. One of our sons was forced to divorce his wife so as to discharge credit card loans she made while on a wild bi-polar spending spree that amounted to 3 times the value of his home.
We must have given him over 20,000 to get through that process so he could keep his home… And we are still helping him now to obtain a bankruptcy to discharge the remainder of his debt.
My story is not like yours… but I can FEEL your pain and your worry… One of the things I did was to insist that my husband and I get a cell phone plan and put him on it because I NEEDED, NEEDED, NEEDED to hear his voice everyday because he can get depressed; and I needed to tell him on a daily basis that we loved him and would be there for him no matter what.
So I know… I know the emotional pain you and your daughter went through over money and the hardships with regard to financial burdens. What I do not know and will perhaps never know is the extend and deepness of your terrible grief; and how you are making it through the roughest part of your life. And for that, I sincerely wish you well.
Kathleen
lin4hill #460 — isnt it great to see all the new Pumas?
Yes — I agree, I’m out there. the emails dont bother or scare me. I do think it’s important to share/publicize them sometimes because many people STILL have no idea how cultish and downright thuggish so many Obama supporters have been and continue to be.
I am a PUMA and I belong to the CAT family.
CATS are many things and that is why they have many lives; they:
- have Claw And Teeths;
- have Courage And Tenacity
- are Cool And Tough
…..
PUMAs are looking to their other wild relatives in the CAT family for many characteristics:
- LIONS (Leadership In Our National Security); LIONS are after all the king of the jungles; of course Lionness’ are even tougher. McCain is a LION; Hillary is a LIONESS!
- CHEETAHS (Choosing & Holding Elections Every Trusting Americans Hope are Sincere).
- TIGERS (Trust, Integrity, Grit, Empowerment, Respect, Sincerity)
- LEOPARDS (Leadership in Elections Over Party’s/Primary Agenda - Rigged Democrat/Delegate Selection).
- COUGARS (Courage Of Unprecedented Grit, Action, Resolve & Sweat
The wilds cats want to be out of the circuses and the zoos …er I mean the causus and more.
Oh..BTW the home cat is Cuddly And Trusting…
Come PUMA….let the ROARs be sounded in the jungles, mountains, rural and urban areas…..
#450 Lol. Sounds like my 87 years young grandmother. She was a meat packer.
Your mom rocks!
#462 william denverCo, Agreed, I wish these people would call me, I wait and wait, some people have all the luck. She gets calls all the time I have never received one, oh well a girl can dream!
#419 alohapuma - thank you posting that link to JK Rowling’s address to the Harvard grads. What a wonderful speech about the power of imagination and the gift of friendship.
#415 Halligan:
You are so right! I am a Catholic and also believe strongly in the separation of church and state. I was also listening to Randi Rhodes and she was dancing around BO’s position, not agreeing but understanding why he was doing it. Ugh! It’s the hypocrisy that I can’t stand. She turned so ugly on Hillary that I will never believe anything she says again.
#470 snowtiger, she is a corker indeed, and very upset about the Nobama selection. I would like to know who the pollsters are actually polling, everyone I talk with is against him.
On the radio show they mentioned (stem cell research) I know myself this has come a long way. Now scientists no longer need to use embryo cells. They can take any cell like skin from your own body and make muscle cells or nerve cells or anything (it’s pretty generic now). So it no longer such a controversial issue, they are also re-growing fingers and ears for soldiers from their own cells, this may sound sort of yucky for a lot of people but it is actually a god sent for people who find themselves in the position to need these procedures like soldiers. Clinics have recently just started popping up in this country. These clinics have only been around since March of this year. The science is so very young.
Sorry you got a science buff here.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/07/020889.php
July 2, 2008
Change the Teamsters can believe in
Check this out.
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/OctoberSurprise.html
We can only hope the surprise will come before the convention.
Pumaalley: Great talk show, I’ve got it on now & thanks for posting.
Also, to those who posted the contact info yesterday for Ed Shultz (& brought it up in the first place), THANK YOU. (Will he still be barraging Hillary even after she becomes President)?!
Here’s part of the email I sent to Ed & the show’s producer (his email bounced back, but the producer one on that site worked):
“Get real, Air America, Bill Clinton owes NOTHING to Obama, and Obama campaigners should be ashamed of how they ran a hatefest against Hillary.
At least Tom Hartman is the ONE announcer on your Network still has an ounce of brains left.
I used to love tuning in to Air America and Randi Rhodes et al, and I find it sad I’ve lost all respect for a station I once loved and admired.
Lifelong Democrat & former precinct worker in Oregon.”
#461 you rock, diamond girl. I love the spirit of Texans.
I’m a Florida girl, but my grandfather was born in Texas and flew many missions in the Pacific in WW II. He was nearly shot down at least four times, and landed all four times in partially destroyed planes! He was tough as hell.
Good evening Pumas, first I’d like to say Thank You to each and every one of you who has sent their kind words and prayers my way.
#340 TXPuma, for those who don’t know the different dog breeds, go to http://www.shirtlady.com/ and see the different dog breeds, over 121 breeds, then go to http://www.akc.org/poll/special/presidential.cfm and enter the contest without insulting the K-9 world.
I just read the update about the email Murphy received. Unbelievably hateful but not surprising at all coming from a B.H.O. supporter!
I saw the Nobama Girl’s video and just wonder if she would do a video for us. Anyone in charge who could ask her?
LISA NC - funny you should mention that I feel the same way whenever I see him ATTEMPT to speak - I have to turn off the TV or go into another room - why is half our country one way and the other half the other way - which part of our brain are we using and which part are the rest of the country using LOL
Alucard Rodham Puma
In or around 2005 or therafter, the bankruptcy laws were changed so that anyone applying for a Chapter 7, could keep their home as long as their morgage payments were not in default.
Through our son’s financial process we had heard of this on our own but only after digging… but no lawyer ever told us of their own accord. It was most frustrating. All they kept on telling him was with a Chapter 7 they would force you to sell your home and your belongings in order to satisfy the debt.
I am grateful for the Internet because through it and many searches we finally found the truth and proceeded with that knowledge in hand.
So for us and our son, it became vitally important for him to keep up with his morgage payments, and becasue he couldnt on his own, we stepped in to help but only by tapping into our retirement funds because we did not have liquid assets to do it.
So YES, Hillary Rodham Clinton is our gal because she really cares about the Middle Class and us Seniors. And if I have to vote in McCain so she can have another shot at the presidency, I will… and so will by husband.
#426 goanderson
Nope, not new. new name, take a guess. I thought you’d recognize the pigs and the chickens.
#474. She sure sounds it.:)
As to the polls. I remember during the primaries that some reporter (don’t recall who exactly) mentioned that “o” never did quite as well at the voting booths as the polls predicted.
Someone with the savvy should find the polls and the results, then average them out.
I think we would get a clearer idea of where the votes actually are atm.
i received my rush packet questionaire from dnc…excuse me but, i had already sent it back in with PUMA across form and some funny money…
they must be desperate to bother me again…enclosed was a letter from barack letting me know what the party was…we are the party of…..blah blah blah
i sent it back ….wrote across his letter i am the party of PUMA and i am not buying what you are selling!
thank you for all that you do! i have given 70$ and will give more when i can….
477 ladyhawkke - fascinating article! I just laughed out loud at this quote:
‘And once Obama was nominated, the G.O.P. could make its case to the electorate along these lines: “Jeez, would you look at this guy’s proximity group. He’s got convicts, foreign agents and tainted campaign contributions coming out of the woodwork. And if he can’t even obtain an F.B.I. clearance as a border patrol agent, do you really think we should be handing him the nuclear launch codes?”‘
#484 are you Hey Sandy? I do remember the pigs and the chickens but not sure about the blog name you had. are your chickens laying eggs or too stressed out by MSM’s anti-hen stance?
#430 cosmeta - I like your idea. I will ask murphy about it.
is anyone still here?
I’m here, just trying to catch up on reading.
Good evening, PUMAs
Sent my email to Wisconsin Party Chair Wineke. It’s beyond shameful the way that Debra Bartoshevich is being bullied. SIGH.
We’ve just got to make this difference. BO cannot win.
Thanks to all of you for all you are doing for this cause!
xo, Lizzy
PS - Not for anything (as they say in CT) but MO is no Jackie Kennedy. No matter how she tries to fashion herself in Jackie’s style - she will never have the class. period. ugh.
I’m here Dragonfly. Don’t know who put up the post about reporting the disgusting content of misogyny and sexism on tv to the FCC but I just went there and filed a complaint. Got a confirmation number, too! I couldn’t be specific about times and dates, etc. so I put a March date in there and put 5pm for time for stupid Chris Matthews, then I sent them the awful video that I posted this morning and told them to look at it and investigate.
#485, In my county they had him up for weeks in the polls(I live in Toledo,Ohio) I remember the night of the primary they actually called this county for him, later on in the evening they had to retract that, Hillary won! They also would not call the state of Ohio for hours, even though she maintained a 10 point lead throughout the coverage, they were banking on a closer race, because up until the primary they kept saying Ohio would be a toss-up. I knew she would win by double digits, we worked hard for her here, there was never a doubt in my mind. Nobama will never win Ohio.
I’m here. I am trying to catch up on the posts.
LizzyinCT,
I agree 100%. MO is NO JK.
@450 michelle47 they said she couldn’t vote for an R in the GE? that’s just flat out lying? That’s pretty bad that the callers are having to resort to saying you have to , because you’re a registered dem. Once again bullying people for votes! Yeah I think we can vote for any candidate in the GE– my dh has gotten calls on his cell phone too :(-
Okay, now I am getting mad. Check this out from the article ladyhawkke linked:
“Another longtime Rezko chum, Aiham Alsammarae, was appointed Iraq’s former Minister of Electricity in 2003. (Rezko, Alsammarae and Auchi all went to college in Illinois.) In 2005, Alsammarae was charged with stealing $650 million in Iraqi reconstruction funds. Wanted by Interpol, Alsammarae posted more than $2.7 million in property as collateral last April to help spring Rezko from jail. While Bush Administration officials won’t tell anyone what the warrant is for, his arrest is not imminent.”
So, am I to understand that Alsammarae used money intended for the Iraqi infrastructure rebuild to spring a slum lord who wouldn’t use millions of dollars in grant money to revamp/restore condemned housing for South Side Chicago residents (in Obama’s district)? I may not be able to finish the article, ladyhawkke. I better take the bp meds.
#430 We have a small local newspaper here called “The Pennysaver” and people put ads in the personal columns. One person puts in this long religious novena to St. Jude every week. So maybe I could use that paper to advertise for Puma.
@mzebest– I will go downstairs and read your post about the national service– I agree about the vague stuff now, and then we’re left to just guess what the actual plan may be– I mean why wouldn’t that scare the heck out of voters?
Exactly how should I have the ad read?
#492 ladyhawkke - I can probably get more info on that for you. I will email you.
#478 Hillstheone:
Great e-mail. I’m the one who posted Schultz’s e-mail and mine bounced too so I will send it again to the producer’s e-mail. Thanks for doing that.
I’m listening right now to politics online radio for the first time and it’s great! It’s informative and motivating!
#70 Ohio Lady, I am so sorry for your loss. I don’t think there is anything worse then the loss of a child. I will remember you in my prayers. God Bless
Lift Every Voice and Sing has been considered the “Black National Anthem” since it was written around 1900.
There’s an interesting history here:
http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/patc/liftvoice/
I’m lurking and working. Does that count?
Ck email BTW.
#70 Ohio Lady, I, too, am sorry for your loss. I got here late and didn’t see the earlier posts. God Bless you and your family.
#381 DawnE
I just mailed 21 PUMA flyers and used the Huffington Post Donor List. However, I did not see the same names at different addresses. To me this was one way to reach Senator Clinton’s supporters. Please let me know if you find that the list is inaccurate.
On Independence Day, July 4th, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton will make a joint campaign appearance in Washington, DC/Northern Virginia area.
Location: Washington DC/Northern VA area in front of FOX Studio’s - July 4 - Clinton’s 4 McCain are declaring independence in a very loud protest rally.
If you want more information go to:
http://www.knowobama.org/
#70 Ohio Lady
Thank you for sharing such a personal event. I can’t even begin to know your pain. Just know that your willingness to share is helping us move forward with our mission, for your daughter, for you and for everyone else that loves Senator Clinton and believes in the ideas and challenges that she is a champion for in our country and across the world. Stay the course.
#506 What Puma flyers did you use? I think it’s a good idea to mail them.
Well, too bad but blogtalk radio takes forever to let you on the air. A good suggestion might be to limit discussion to 3-4 points or set up a suggested topic so that more people can share their ideas. I have concrete ideas I want to share — but I’d rather send my $ to Hillary than run my phone bill up for no reason.
Actually what we really need is to help get our message out to a bigger audience; Murphy, are you ready to take on msnbc yet? “hell no, don’t go!”
Keith Olbermann, eat Puma dust!
#381 Dawn
Have they updated the list of donors on Huffington site? I sent my letter with a PUMA flier over a week ago and haven’t heard any responses to date. I’m willing to send again with an updated flier this next month and also look for additional donors that may be on the FEC site for the end of June deadline.
This looks like a big sham being put on by the Texas Democratic Party, but here’s the info if you are interested in giving your testimony. Keep in mind that Chariman Boyd L. Richie and his wife are major BO supporters. It doesn’t seem like they really plan on doing much at all. The statement reads, “based on the
testimony taken at these meetings, the committee will then consider this feedback and possibly make recommendations for changes.”
I also take offense to the wording he uses at the end of his statement (”Only by working together will we be able to grow and strengthen as a Party”). I’m in TX and the TDP has intentionally shut out Latinos, women, and seniors. Actions speak louder than words Boyd. -Lara08
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Dear fellow Democrats,
I am pleased to inform you the first meeting of the Advisory Committee on the Texas Democratic Party Convention/Caucus System has been scheduled. Headed by Senator Royce West, this first of several meetings will convene at the Austin Community College Health Science Building, Building 9000 in the Multi
Purpose Hall room 8500 in Austin, Texas on July 7, 2008 at 10:00am. The campus is located at 3401 Webberville Rd, Austin, Texas 78702.
This Committee which Senator West and I have appointed has been charged with studying the current convention/caucus system. Furthermore, based on the
testimony taken at these meetings, the committee will then consider this feedback and possibly make recommendations for changes.
While all meetings will be open to the public, the first committee meeting will be limited to invited testimony only. Senator West and the Committee members wish to use this initial meeting as an informational session. They will discuss with current and former Party leaders the history and development of the current convention/caucus system.
Those wishing to participate at this meeting are encouraged to submit written testimony to the Committee, or complete an _online survey_
(http://www.txdemocr ats.org/page/ m/6737b61d8fb410 b1/vFp4zR/ VEsH/) , available on the Texas Democratic Party website. Additionally, there will be other hearings held in Austin and throughout the state where public testimony will be taken in order to
learn about your personal experience with the convention/caucus system.
Those hearings will be scheduled at a later date.
So whether it is by completing the online survey or by attending the upcoming Committee meetings, I hope you will take a moment to share your thoughts.
Your feedback will play an important role as we continue to explore our current Democratic Primary process. Only by working together will we be able to
grow and strengthen as a Party.
Thank you again for helping us make your Party stronger and more unified than ever before.
Your friend and fellow Democrat,
Boyd L. Richie
Chairman
#503 Josgirl- I have no problem with the song and respect it’s history. What angered me about the woman singing it in Denver was because the Mayor had asked her to sing the “national anthem” which is the “Star Spangled Banner” and she sang that song instead to the tune of “Star Spangled Banner”.
$510 Hillstheone
Hill, are you in OR?
I tried the radioblog and it kept using my name, not my user name so I just logged off. I looked and looked to see how to register with out the name. Not quite as techno savy as one can be! The bloggers on the site didn’t stay focused on the discussion either.
@ the black anthem issue- am i understanding she sung the words to the tune of our National Anthem? - If you see the lyrics too, the last phrase is troubling stay true to our native land–
#506 EWard
I hope it works…I guess I’ll find out…LOL
#507 Lorey,
OMG, I swear I see Obambi offering the VP to our Hillary, YUCK!
@texassherry that is what bothers me too
shout out to Witchy1 or anyone in Texas that may have a link for that online survey about the lovely two step…I can’t find it on the democratic page….help
Murphy
What a disgusting e-mail upstairs!!!!! I imagine that’s not the only one. Do you have boxing gloves around the house and a bag? Just go hit the bag everytime you receive one of those e-mails.
*REPOST*
*NEWS ALERT - Clinton’s 4 McCain Rally!
Independence Day Rally
On Independence Day, July 4th, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton will make a joint campaign appearance in Washington, DC/Northern Virginia area.
Location: Washington DC/Northern VA area in front of FOX Studio’s - July 4 - Clinton’s 4 McCain are declaring independence in a very loud protest rally.
We find this appearance of unity offensive on many levels, since we don’t see the Party as united at all and view this as nothing more than a stunt to fool the public into believing the “healing” process is over and Hillary’s supporters are behind Obama. Nothing could be further from the truth.
ACTION PLAN: Just say “No Deal” and protest this blatant political stunt tactic.
While many of you have different reasons for feeling disenfranchised from this years election process, we all seem to have a common goal - NOBAMA! Let’s make sure our voices are heard, loud and clear. It’s time to unite and say NObama!
It is to declare our independence from the DNC and from Obama, Sexism, Unfair Politics and Media/Hollywood bias.
To join in and participate in the Independence Day Rally - contact: Cristi Adkins, RN Cht and/or Ann Borone for more information.
Murphy,
I forgot. My daily thank you for all that you are doing and enduring for us.
NOTICE!!!! NOTICE!!!! NOTICE!!!!
New YouTube for PUMA’s… go to it rate and comment b4 the Obamatrons get to it…
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#515 KYkitten-Yes. If you go to the foxnews website you can read the whole thing. I saw it on NBC and when the reporter asked her if she was sorry that she offended some people she smiled and said no. I think she is an Obama supporter and trying to cause more problems. If you read the comments after the article the people are really angry and threatening. We are having enough problems with racism without people deliberately doing things to rile people up. That was the point that I was making.
halligan,
aren’t you mayor0102?
#521 goanderson
Thanks for the info on the Clinton 4 McCain Rally on the 4th. These people will do anything, anything. How sick!
I was trying to think of something we could do at such short notice, like fax or email the news media in that area to let them know these folks are probably part of the paid NoName staff like the bloggers. Maybe we should just ignore them. I’m sure they will say some of the are PUMAS, at least I wouldn’t put it past them. I guess that’s my biggest concern.
goanderson,
Maybe I misunderstood. So the Clintons 4 McCain will be saying they now support NoName??
It’s been a long day.
#60 wontbackdown on 07.02.08 at 2:15 pm
[[ yeah… and Obama sgned a “pledge” to accept “public financing”.]]
Yeppers.
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#67 wontbackdown on 07.02.08 at 2:19 pm
[[What they don’t say is that the Republicans controlled the Florida legislation… the voters didn’t have a damn thing to do with it and didn’t know their vote wouldn’t count and the Florida Democratic Leaders had no power to change what the GOP was doing!]]
You are correct! For sure! Here’s the thing as *I* see it: It was an ego play between the Florida Legislature and Howard Dean of the DNC… a power struggle to see who had more authority. I say, the individual state legislature BECAUSE that would fall under our Constitutional Laws; whereas neither the Conventions or Primaries are part of our Constitution. Still, several lawsuits were filed and each time the Federal Courts said, it doesn’t fall under our jurisdiction and the as an ordinary organization they can make their own Party rules.
The second thing to remember… and perhaps something in PUMA’s Favor is that the majority of people do not follow Primaries and will not become concerned about the General Election until 2 months before the Election, some a couple of weeks prior. Now this may not be helpful to our cause with regard to the August Convention (because there you are talking about influencing the pledged and unpledged delegates); but we could have a HUGE IMPACT on the General if we got the word out that Florida and Michigan were dissed by the DNC.
What I am getting at here is: There are approximately 100 million people out there who still do not know what we know… and I think they should lest BHO bamboosle (sp) them.
Hello my fellow PUMAs:
Just wondering what’s the latest on the t-shirts.
I was planning to wear it on the 4th, and as per today I have not got it…
Can someone get word to the Mc Cain Camp to come out swinging on the New *61 Ad, shows he is a Fraud. He had nothing to do with the Wefare Reform Bill he actually opposed it and has a new ad thatmakes it appear as if it was his Bill . Please this guy is also having private meetings with Colin Powell, does anyone else see what I see, possible Powell, I know he is a republican but a dam good one…..????
Received another give me $$$ for NONAME…on the top of the page this is HIS statement;
“I’m asking you to believe. Not just in my ability to bring about real change in Washington…I’m asking you to believe in yours.”
Oh you bet sweetie we’re trying to change things in Washington, and believe me, WE WILL with PUMA!
#517 Beca4Hillary- I hope that never happens. If she accepts he will surely win but if she doesn’t he will lose. Call me crazy but I still believe that Hillary will be the candidate.
I know some of you get bleary-eyed reading lengthy commentary, but there is an excellent history of how our government has evolved since Jefferson’s plan, posted this evening on The Confluence….truly helped me see so much in perspective regarding the DNC’s support of Obama. The article is called “You Down with O.P.P.?”
here is an excerpt for those of you who aren’t too weary:
You don’t really think the Village hates the Clintons because they are redneck hillbillies, do you? Bill and Hillary are both Ivy League educated lawyers, smart and sophisticated. They are hated because they are loyal to us, not the corporatists. That’s why the Democratic leadership wants to purge them from the party and discredit Bill’s legacy.
Senator Obama is a product of the corrupt Chicago machine. His relationship with William Ayers isn’t about radical Sixties’ politics, it’s about Ayers’ family connection to Commonwealth Edison and Exelon. Obama’s campaign manager, David Axelrod, is a former lobbyist and astroturfer for Exelon. Rev. Wright and Tony Rezko are just more pieces of the puzzle that shows the shape of political corruption in Illinois.
Despite what the media claims, Obama is and has been the “establishment” candidate. He had their money and support from the beginning, despite his empty resume. We were supposed to listen to the media, we were supposed to fall for the “hope” and “change” slogans, and believe he was a grassroots candidate. We were supposed to believe that Hillary is an evil, corrupt racist. We were supposed to believe that she was “divisive” but that Obama was going to bring “unity.” We were supposed to be stupid, low-information voters.
But they miscalculated. They underestimated Hillary, and they underestimated us. They didn’t expect her to fight so well or so long. They didn’t expect her to win our loyalty, respect and love. They didn’t expect her to inspire us to rise in opposition to them.
They didn’t expect PUMA
Halligan, sounds fishy to me lol.
bmw60
I’m clueless. How do you rate a video on YouTube?
Does anybody have information about Barack Obama-Barry Dunham’s birth in Canada?
did anyone else see dick morris on o’reilly tonight? i know, i usually turn him off too, but he said that everyone should not dismiss the fact that Hillary suspended not conceded and she is still out there waiting for her opportunity. of course, he doesn’t say it in a nice way towards her but nonetheless that is two people today (him and o’reilly) who have said that it is not too late for her.
Lots of people over posting at blog radio. Murphy will be on tomorrow at 8pm. Be sure to tune in!
reat show tonight on blog radio. Lots of PUMAs there
#532 bythelake,
Be sure to use the postpaid envelope from BO to send them some Puma bucks. Mine went out today. I put the bill in it and nothing else, that way they can wonder who it’s from.
# 523 bmw60
Love the video!
#538 sheila7,
No, I didn’t see him but he is aptly named.
536 bigcat simply click on the stars beneath the video for how many you wish to give. You will then get a message saying thanks for rating
#512 Lara08
Great posting Lara.
Thanks
3523 bmw60, great video. Wow that was inspiring!
Empty Envelopes….sounds fishy to me hehehe but I’m sure it will work wonders for the wallet.
I’m going hound hunting!
#543 antifish,
you’ve got that right! but still I’m glad that it’s getting out there and talked about that Hillary still could take this nomination.
#520 Belle Rodham cat, I am in the same boat still waiting for my PUMA coffee cup. Hope they come real soon.
Where do I get PUMA bucks to send *61?
#533 LOREY It is hard to believe MO would ALLOW noname to let Senator Clinton anywhere near the Whitehouse!!
BILLIEJO
go to the action center on the right side of your screen you’ll have to scroll up
#534 Lin4Hill- Thank you for sharing the excerpt. I believe that the author is right on target.
Virginia Puma–what happened to the action site?
#296 SergeiRostov on 07.02.08 at 5:01 pm
[[Of course, the editorial writer’s reasoning here is faulty: The candidates were not agreeing with the DNCs decision that the delegates in question should be stripped, only recognizing that the DNC had decided to do so, and were pledging not to campaign there as a result. If the legal implications of conditional clauses were that clear, then (for example), US citizens would only be allowed to bear arms under the auspices of authorities of their given state in order to defend said state from threats internal or external…and we know how well THAT is working.
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Good point. Good analogy! Sometimes my mind spins with all this stuff… which is what BHO, the DNC and media is hoping… that none of us will remember… and by the time of the Election all will be either a) forgotten or b) forgiven. They couldn’t be so wrong and have misjudged the extreme intensity and import of what they did.
I also don’t think that anyone ever forsaw a long primary season and a virtual tie. Which means I am agreeing with you, in that neither the PLEDGE nor the DNC rules clearly spelled anything out. I also don’t have the exact TIMELINE but if I recall, the pledge was presented just prior to the Florida and Michigan moved their dates up. IOW, the primaries were upon us and the pledged was forced.
Also, If anyone argues but but but, …. Hillary signed the pledged or agreed when she was losing but began fighting for Florida only after she was losing, as BHO tried to imply… that is FALSE, FALSE, FALSE. She not only was trying to fight for Florida and Michigan at the beginning saying you cant disenfranchise the voters… When she gave her Florida victory speech on January 29, 2008 she specifically said, I WILL FIGHT FOR YOU!
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Hillary%27s+Florida+victory+speech&search_type=&aq=f
Hillary Clinton’s FULL Florida Victory Speech
January 29, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmXgbAyIZXM
Some notes I made to my own forum
http://www.cosmeta.com/_Forums/view_topic.php?id=1293&forum_id=57
See also,
Daily Grind
http://www.cosmeta.com/_Forums/view_forum.php?id=57
[[(On a side note, of the five states who moved their dates up, only those expected to be favorable to Hillary got the harsher penalty. Further, Obama ran an ad campaign in FL in violation of the pledge, and should therefore have received no delegates from there. Even further, as he chose to remove himself from the ballot in MI, he should not have received any delegates from there either (although the “Uncommitted” delegates would of course be free to vote for him at the Convention).) ]]
True, but if I recall, those states did not go ahead of IOWA and New Hampshire the two traditional states the DNC said no one could bypass… Also, what boggles my mind and the reason I can’t understand why Howard Dean imposed the 100% reduction (when that wasnt in the DNC rules) is… after FI and MI moved up, Dean leap frogged them before FL and MI to keep the status quo. So that, to me, there was no reason for the penalty at that point.
Also, if… and this is a HUGE BIG IF to me…. if Howard Dean had kept to the 50% reduction, both Fl and MI still could have been penalized and at the same time the VOTES would have been counted.—See. Hillary would have had the momentum.
I also agree about the Uncommitted being counted at the Convention and should not have been included in the Michigan Challenge!—AGREED!
Note: Hillary’s Florida Victory speech should be put up on the ACTION CENTER page! It is vital to our cause!
But I will repost it separately.
I didn’t want to post the attached video this morning out of respect for go_Ohio_Lady and others here who, like me, were very upset by her story. I want to warn everyone that this is disturbing. If it were made into an ad, I don’t think BO would survive it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q50wYU0RgLk&feature=email
billiejo
in the action center click on flyers
The Puma bucks are down-loadable at the action center.
Sorry, look under fliers.
Please put these links up on the ACTION CENTER PAGE
Hillary Clinton’s FULL Florida Victory Speech
January 29, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmXgbAyIZXM
When an BHO supporter says, but but but, she only began to fight for FL and MI when she was losing, YOU show them or point them to THAT video and knock their socks off. But if you point them to the ACTION PAGE instead of YouTube… more impact—See!
Other speeches
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Hillary%27s+Florida+victory+speech&search_type=&aq=f
#544 Taffy
Thanks but I did click on the stars and they wanted me to sign in. Went to see what info they wanted from me, but decided not to provide it on these huge sites. Makes me a little nervous. Thanks though. And I loved the video.
Ahhh. Another highly literate email that resorts to the charge of racism. You don’t like Obama? You’re obviously a racist.
Hey pinhead! Save the racist charges for when they really count and really matter. Otherwise, you diminish and cheapen the very notion of racism, which does exist and can inflict great damage on us all. Critical thinking and serious examinations of a candidate’s background, character and experience is not racist. Barack Obama is running for the POTUS, not the county dog catcher. And race alone is not a qualifier for the highest job in the land, the most powerful in the world. If Barack Obama or any other candidate can’t stand the heat? Get the hell out of the kitchen and give the slot to somebody who can.
Senator Clinton fills the bill :0).
PUMA power! Don’t let the Obamatron clowns get you down. We’re on the right side.
big storm here right now so i’ll be back later
BigCat,
If you don’t have a YouTube account, you’ll have to register to be able to rate videos. Under each video you view, you’ll see 5 stars. You can click on any star to rate from 1 to 5, 5 being the best.
hi everyone i’ll try to catch up here. Not been well today but did do 2 letters and a couple blogs
#564 antifish
Thanks and see post #561.
DIAMOND GIRL -Nothing left to say !! Awesome delivery.
Left them my 2 cents
Hi Pumas - been listening to Fox (that still blows my mind) anyway - dukakis is on and I swear ta god that the democratic party has been invaded by body snatchers - every time I hear one of them speak - they all say the same thing like its been memorized - how the hell is this possible? they’re interchangeable - if you hear one speaking you don’t know who it is ‘cuz they all say the same - are we the only safe, sane ones around?????????????????
will look at youtube now brb starting with antifish
Okay, I feel like a moron. Finally got the Hillary Bucks and does anyone have the *61 and DNC snail mail address. Thanks.
#569 Susie1945
Yes, we are the only safe, sane ones around! The Democratic party has been programmed it should now be called the Manchurian Party!
I think the youtube videos by bigticer and Nobama Girl (although she seems republican) are both great for countering the “racist” comments.
Anyone know if the state organization is working yet? I sent my original email, but there were no subsequent instructions or requests for subscriptions to our regional PUMAPAC. Has anyone heard from their regional organization yet?
Only reason I am asking is I want to find PUMAs for the independence day rally.
I have been curious as to the birth certificate thing myself, this is somewhat interesting of what a blogger who says he has been an attorney for 13 years, don’t know if that’s true, but the comment is something to think about. To paraphrase: The reason he believes that the certificate number is blacked out is not to hide the number, but to hide the fact that a number never existed in the first place, because the certificate was never accepted. He presents the possibility that the birth record was never accepted by the Registrar because the mother may not have been able to come up with sufficient proof to the circumstances surrounding his birth because possible Barrack was born elsewhere or who knows.
This is the link for the full comment (about the 3rd down on page): Aragon // June 23, 2008 at 1:36 pm
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/obama-birth-mystery-cont/
DIVERSITY
Our local newspaper (online) carried an article about the Japanese monkey commercial. It included a video of parts of the commercial and commentary from mostly African Americans living in Japan about the commercial.
I could not help but make a comment on the video about diversity being a complicated issue. The Japanese are also notorious sexists. The ironic thing was that the audience being interviewed in the video consisted of 9 individuals, 8 of who were male. http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/06/equal-pay-for-women-barack-obama-says.html
Okay # 556 anitfish.
That video needs to come with a box of tissue. WOW. Very powerful no matter your position on the subject.
560 cosmeta
Thanks, for posting the Hillary Florida Victory speech. I miss her and I miss hearing her give speeches. No ummmmsss, no aahhhs, just from the heart.
#554 one4all on 07.02.08 at 9:17 pm
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Action site? Sorry, I am confused
#575 Correction to Video link
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/blog/2008/07/one_obama_monkey_stops_show.html
RE #538
DMorris also reported another Nobama LIE. He is putting out an ad in 18 states that he supported the welfare return to work legislation. Suggested that McC immediately refute it with an ad.
HE will be brought down!!
Go_Ohio_Lady
My heart goes out to you. Could you e-mail me?
sdoria21@aol.com
Colonel Buck Robely has just started a blog entitled: Top ten reasons Obama is not Presidenitial Material. It is at http://blogs.pineandlakes.com/node/98 He posted the first reason but is looking for folks like us to fill in the next nine or more. Are you willing to help out?
Buck and I both live in northern Minnesota, a state which is still in play in spite of the bogus polls. Any support you can give will be appreciated. Thanks.
Evening PUMAs!
#70 go_Ohio_Lady
I’m so sorry to hear about your daughter. She will be in my prayers. It’s a tragic thing to lose a child and I know it must have been hard for you. On behalf of all of us PUMAs, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for working so hard for us!
#582…Welcome drbodkin !! Haven’t seen you since the days at hc.com.
565 sandipuma on 07.02.08 at 9:28 pm
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Sorry you are not well. Me thinks you need some sleep! chuckle Really though, sorry about feeling low
#509 ladyhawke
I used the PUMA flyer that reads:
DEMOCRATS UNITE!!
TO TAKE BACK OUR PARTY
with the PUMA log and flag.
By the way, I did not put a cover letter. I’m hoping they will log on and join PUMAPAC.
#571 BillieJo
Snail Mail Addys
Howard Dean - Democratic National Committe - 430 S. Capitol St. SE - Washington, DC 20003
*61 - Ob@m* for America - P.O. Box 802798 - Chicago, Illinois 60680
I do not like saying or writing The Chosen One’s name.
573 pa dem on 07.02.08 at 9:37 pm
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No haven’t heard anything yet. I am anxious myself
#582 drbodkin - where in MN are you? Im in champlin
The MSM are all reporting concern RE: Nobama’s shift to the right leaving him closer to the BUSH and McC positions. In his need to win, he will loose his core followers! Bravo for his eagerness to be a politician.
556 antirodhamfish
STATEMENT OF ADMINISTRATION POLICY (THIS STATEMENT HAS BEEN COORDINATED BY OMB WITH THE CONCERNED AGENCIES.)
H.R. 2175 - Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2002 (Rep. Chabot (R) OH and 105 cosponsors)
The Administration strongly supports enactment of H.R. 2175, a bill that would ensure that infants who are born alive, at any stage of development, are individual human beings who are entitled to the full protections of the law. H.R. 2175, which is similar to laws in a majority of States and the District of Columbia, would provide guaranteed legal protection whether or not the infant’s delivery was natural or the result of an abortion.
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welcome all new pumas and antifish that was a tear jerker
#523 bmw60
#582 drbodkin
I hear what you are saying about MN….they keep saying that the Chosen One has it but I beg to differ. With MN as one of the states that had caucuses I feel it was not a true win of the state. I do not know how your caucus went but mine was “A JOKE” and so manipulated and voter fraud as far as I am concerned.
virginia.puma: The action site is the PUMAPAC action center–link is on the right with all the different blogs and such.
out of curiousity, new PUMAs, where did you hear about us? Just so we know which methods of outreach are working…
Hillary needs to heed her own words and not ‘bow to those who tell her she shouldn’t or can’t go on.’ I am, and sure we are all, looking for a major upset at the convention next month.
If not, then WE need to step up and lead ourselves.
How can ANYONE believe Owanna can meet the needs of every single group he speaks to? Just exactly what party DOES he represent. One minute he’s speaking from the left, then moves center, then to the right. Is he politically ambidextrous? If he is elected…omg, what’s the point of talking anymore. No to Obama…no, no, no!!!!
Thanks, go Rodham anderson.
Sandi Rodham Puma, it broke my heart too. That’s why I didn’t want to put it up this morning.
On a lighter note
Hillary, marry me babyVideo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFBiUfne9WY
573 pa dem on 07.02.08 at 9:37 pm
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Oh that was my response to a question ie what happened to the action site. I was confused about the question. ut I think it is a good idea to post each day where to find the action center for those who are new. VA PUMA
597 anti
I posted that because a bot posted a reply under the comments that H.R. 2175 was in July 2008. Huh??
SUSIE1945 -
I know this is creepy because I was thinking the same thing.
Think they have perfected “Stepford” Politicians????
Here is a well-written proposed solution to counting Florida and Michigan delegates, written before the RBC Meeting, by Lanny Davis.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10614.html
More later…
REMINDER:
PUMA blogtalkradio
Interview with Darragh Murphy of PUMApac
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT/
You can also listen to the blogcasts that you’ve missed:
Interview with Will Bower (June 29?) and
Cynthia Ruccia (July 2)
It’s teriffic to participate in the chatroom and listen to the cast with a variety of people from other PUMA organization.
If you haven’t already been to the site, you might want to go there and check out the setup and how to navigate it.
Hi folks, The summer people have arrived so now I have daily contact with v.i.p.s from both the repuplican and democratic parties. So far I’m holding my own thanks to all the info i’ve gathered on this site. For obvious reasons I can’t name names. Had a great chat with a nanny today about a party my dem. hosted for Bill and Hillary. You can get the best info from the help!If I hear anything useful I’ll pass it on. Since I’m maxed out my daughter will be contributing $20.08 for both of us on the 4th.
573 pa dem on 07.02.08 at 9:37 pm
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obviously
To Ohio Lady,
You are in my prayers. I admire your courage in sharing with us your sorrow, while being committed to this cause.
Bless you.
#600 goandersen,
They are always twisting the truth. I’m curious though, the video says he was called to appear at the US Senate several times over this. Wonder what we can find out about that?
Off topic here, but they found that 12 year old girl from vermont dead, TRAGIC, makes me physically ill. Sorry but pedophiles deserve the worst punishment imaginable.
gojoyknocks
Welcome to the Jungle!
Keep us posted! If you have info you would like divulged anonymously, please email one of the three below:
murphy@pumapac.org
mamapumamass@aol.com
marylandpuma@gmail.com
We’ll make sure it’s confidential.
MarylandPUMA
608 michelle47 on 07.02.08 at 10:06 pm :
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Screw the fair trial for these pediphiles.
#233 hotsky
“God he is so George Bush in a liberal suit”
Wow I’m glad to know I am not the only one who feels this way!
#604 gojoyknocks,
Welcome! And thank you! We appreciate any intel we can get.
Where are the FOX studios in Northern Virginia? I want to go on the 4th! Couple of us want to. Where and When?
#608 michelle47,
As a victim of childhood sexual abuse myself, I fully agree. I was furious when the SCOTUS ruled against capital punishment for child rape. Invariably, these monsters end up getting out and doing it again.
I dont have any pearls murphy! how does a guy pull off pearls?
anyways…i just heard a story of mccain grabbing a sandinista in columbia…my kind of guy!
#610, did not want to offend anyone, I agree, and Nobama agrees with the courts not to use the death penalty on these freaks….DISGUSTING!
maybe a pearl ring?
This democrat is for the death penalty.
Has anyone received their t shirts or coffee mugs yet? How long did it take?
#608, Terribly sorry you had to endure so much, what a strong individual you must be.
#618 michelle47
i am not typically in favor of the death penalty but i do reserve favor of it in these kinds of cases. appalling!
#556—I have heard and read quite a bit about BO , but this is just appalling. As you said, disturbing..The Audacity of His Campaign being allowed to carry on.
OK, when I first heard him speak at the convention four years ago, I took notice. Actually liked him, and yes, it did cross my mind that he could be the 1st AA POTUS.
Now, after seeing him, his campaign, his Obamabots, the DNC, etc., it comes down to the vote. He cannot be voted in. I know you all know this already, but it helps for me to get this out.
What do you guys think about this??:
He’s no Democrat! He’s a Marxist/fascist/socialist and he’s taken over the Democratic party!
We can’t say his middle name?
We can’t ask him about his policies?
We can’t ask him about his associates?
We can’t question anything about him?
We can’t disagree with him?
We can’t be FREE if we allow this man to win the Democratic nomination!
We can’t SURVIVE if we allow this man to win the White House!
He’s not a Marxist!? Oh really?!
MARXISM: The political and economic philosophy of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in which the concept of class struggle plays a central role in understanding society’s allegedly inevitable development from bourgeois oppression under capitalism to a socialist and ultimately classless society.
NOTE: Bourgeois= Capitalist: According to Marxist theory, relating to the social class
that owns the means of producing wealth and is regarded as exploiting the working class.
He’s not a Socialist!? Wanna bet!?
socialism is an economic system whereby the means of production are seized and monopolized by the government without compensation to the builders of the capital, and where investments, production, distribution, income, prices, and economic justice are administered by a government nomenklatura that regulate the transfer of money, goods (including capital goods), and services primarily through taxation and regularized and institutionalized aggressive coercion.
In totalitarian countries such as USSR, China, Cuba, North Korea, etc., it has caused widespread shortages of basic goods and services. These Communist countries used an “Iron Curtain” to keep their citizens from emigrating. Although this acts as a drag on the economy, in democratic countries of the industrialized west, some socialist ideas have been put into practice with varying degrees of success.
Do you really want to tell me he’s not a fascist?
Fascism is a totalitarian economic and political ideology that arose in early twentieth-century Europe and came to dominate the social and political systems of a number of European and other nations.
Fascist regimes have often concentrated on a “scapegoat” to push their agendas, such as the Jewish people in World War II.
The fourteen characteristics of fascism also include rampant cronyism and corruption, as well as rigged elections and a general disdain for human rights.
Mark my words America: You continue to support Nobama…and all we know and hold dear will perish.
Scared? You should be.
Some men, the pediphile, the Supreme Court, Obama, have no idea of the spirit murder that occurs with sexual abuse in either and young girl or young boy. It is murder and should be treated as such
172 nighteyes,
email me…imgba@optonline.net
#582…drbodkin….in case you haven’t been there, many of us are also at the hillaryvillagers site that you could get to from the JustSayNoDeal site. You’ll see some familiar names. Stop by if you get a chance. Love to have you.
#620 michelle47,
Thank you.
#604 gojoyknocks
Welcome to the PUMA DEN!
#623 ClintonRules
Don’t forget we can’t say anythign about his wife either!
Can anyone tell me what is the correct amt to use for the 4th of July donations to help pay down Hillary’s debt?
I have heard to use .08 and .44 (which is what we did on the original HRC site which stood for 44th POTUS.
#617 Ario,
I have a few gay guy friends who own pearls!
630 1of18MilforHill08 on 07.02.08 at 10:25 pm :
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It’s $20.08
Aww…poor Liz Zee. She can’t think of a logical argument, so she has to go straight to racism! *tsk tsk*
#630 20.08
MSBinMD
Please email me.
Thanks,
MarylandPUMA
607 antifish
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/17/on-live-birth-abortion-the-candidates-differ/
#623 ClintonRules
Ovomit has the biggest pass of anyone in the history of politics. Just last week Letterman did 4 Hillary, 3 McCain & 1 Bill joke but NOT one Obummer jab!! I hear it is the same on Leno. You have to walk on egg shells there are so many rules of what you CANNOT say about him……If you do you are a racist!! Makes me want to scream!
Just a little tid bit, during the primary season we held a party at my bar in Ohio as the returns came in, it was a terrible night, 6 inches of snow and ice to boot. I was worried about the turnout, but low and behold we ended up with about 100 people, local media was in attendance and they were going back and forth between us and another establishment about 5 blocks away that was to be full of Obama supporters. When 11pm news came on we all watched to see if we were outnumbered by his supporters, and the best part, they only had 3 people there, we were thrilled, they blamed low turnout on the weather, but we kicked their butts, 100 supporters to 3 of theirs and trust me they were more than po’d. No matter what anyone says we have the greatest supporters and i have proof, Obamas going down in Ohio. No amount of sleet or snow could stop us, what a moment, wanted to share with my fellow pumas.
629 Inu
Not even that she can get a beer out of the refrig. without getting up from the living room?
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama may have a lot of explaining to do.
He voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive. He supported allowing retired police officers to carry concealed weapons, but opposed allowing people to use banned handguns to defend against intruders in their homes. And the list of sensitive topics goes on.
607 anti
“With only a slim, two-year record in the U.S. Senate, Obama doesn’t have many controversial congressional votes which political opponents can frame into attack ads. But his eight years as an Illinois state senator are sprinkled with potentially explosive land mines, such as his abortion and gun control votes. …”
This letter to Ovomit from Pat Buchanan is dead on.
by Patrick J. Buchanan
Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.
Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.
This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:
First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.
Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.
Second, no government anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.
Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants.
Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.
We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?
Barack talks about new “ladders of opportunity” for blacks.
Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for “deserving” white kids.
Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America’s fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?
Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?
As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?
Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?
We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.
Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.
409, 410, 414. Pray tell, just what exactly does this singer have to do with BO? Oh, wait, let me take a guess – judging from the photograph, oh, and the words “Black Anthem”, wait… it’s coming to me… oh, by golly, I GET IT NOW! She’s black. And (gasp!) so is BO! “This is going to cause a civil war” “So now we have a Black National Anthem. Boy, this stuff just makes me sick. Obama the Divider.” Oh, and this is rich: “First it was his presidential seal, now it’s the National Black Anthem” WTF? Maybe I missed something in the article, and perhaps virginia.puma goanderson or texassherry ca shed some light on just what the connection is to BO? Did he ask her to sing that song? Why does this woman’s song have ANYTHING to with Barack Obama? This once-proud PUMA hangs her head in shame.
#636 goandersen,
OMG, I think we’ve found the October surprise! Can you imagine the ads the RNC can make from thi?. I mean. look at the reaction we had on this thread from the video I posted. This is damning for BO!
#639 goandersen
don’t get me going again! LOL!
Fe Fi Foe Fum
sniff sniff
644 sheila7
It slipped out. oops.
#642 headoverhills
i think the connection is that BO says he is a uniter and said Hillary was divisive. in fact race relations have gone back about 20 years and BO is the one that played the race card and got these loonies like her stirred up.
#632 virginia puma and #634 antifish
Thank you for the 20.08 amount. I am doing it thru the morning link for heideli. I was over on the hillaryvillager blog and they said they were all having probs getting on the HRC site. Some even thought it was on purpose by ? so that all of our plans of donating on the 4th would fall thru.
643 anti rodham fish
You just might have to shoot it over to Johnny’s email inbox.
I smell a doggie
Murphy….I know you tough enough to endure these kind of crap e-mails like the one from Liz Zee and I am glad that you post the choice ones even though they can be infuriating.
643 anti
Better yet, we need to disseminate this article far and wide.
Don’t ya think?
WHO can fix this?
NOAH
In the year 2008, the Lord came unto Noah,
who was now living in the United States , and said:
Once again, the earth has become wicked and over-populated,
and I see the end of all flesh before me.
Build another Ark and save 2 of every living thing along with a few good humans.
He gave Noah the blueprints, saying: You have 6 months to build the Ark
before I will start the unending rain for 40 days and 40 nights.
Six months later, the Lord looked down and saw Noah weeping in his yard -
but no Ark.
Noah! He roared, I’m about to start the rain! Where is the Ark ?
Forgive me, Lord, begged Noah, ‘but things have changed.
I needed a building permit.
I’ve been arguing with the inspector about the need for a sprinkler system.
My neighbors claim that I’ve violated the neighborhood zoning laws by
building the Ark in my yard and exceeding the height limitations.
We had to go to the Development Appeal Board for a decision.
Then the Department of Transportation demanded a bond be posted
for the future costs of moving power lines
and other overhead obstructions, to clear the passage for the Ark ’s move
to the sea. I told them that the sea would be coming to us,
but they would hear nothing of it.
Getting the wood was another problem.
There’s a ban on cutting local trees in order to save the spotted owl.
I tried to convince the environmentalists that I needed the wood to save the owls -
But no go!
When I started gathering the animals, an animal rights group sued me.
They insisted that I was confining wild animals against their will.
They argued the accommodations were too restrictive, and it was cruel
and inhumane to put so many animals in a confined space.
Then the EPA ruled that I couldn’t build the Ark until they’d conducted an environmental impact study on your proposed flood.
I’m still trying to resolve a complaint with the Human Rights Commission on
how many minorities I’m supposed to hire for my building crew.
Immigration and Naturalization are checking the green-card status of most
of the people who want to work.
The trades unions say I can’t use my sons. They insist I have to hire only
Union workers with Ark-building experience.
To make matters worse, the IRS seized all my assets, claiming I’m trying to
leave the country illegally with endangered species.
So, forgive me, Lord, but it would take at least 10 years for me to finish this Ark.
Suddenly the skies cleared, the sun began to shine, and a rainbow stretched
across the sky.
Noah looked up in wonder and asked,
‘You mean you’re not going to destroy the world?’
‘No,’ said the Lord.
‘The government beat me to it.
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645 - enough with your silly code. I am not and never have been a troll. this is where the level of discourse has sunk on this forum. YOU made the unfair comparison in 414 and I’m the bad guy for calling you on it. Honestly, if I had inadvertently made that kind of remark and someone had called me on it, I would be mortified - “My bad, I can’t believe I said that!” If I implied that BO had anything whatsoever to do with that woman’s song because the one thing they have in common is their skin color, well then, I’d be embarrassed and ashamed of myself. And I’ve listened to you long enough to believe that’s probably not the way you meant it. But there it is. If a troll is someone who steps up to denounce that kind of blatant racism, even if it means sticking up for BO, then damn me all to hell. Guilty as charged.
Has anyone gotten a phone survey about the election…
I just did and stated that I was NOT voting for Obama.
They said they were an indepent firm out of NY yet the phone is no a NY phone #—In fact its a new cell phone according Whitepages.com Anyone a subcriber to reverse phone number directory….This is all the information I could get..
(205) 705-3099Type: Cell Phone
Provider: New Cingular Wireless Pcs, Llc
Location: Birmingham, AL
*61 had better hope that the right wing of the Rep party doesn’t wake up, rally behind McCain and pull out all of their swift boat type of ads. They are really good at making anyone look like a fraud. Wonder what they are waiting for or have they not accepted McCain enough to do it yet? They have been pretty quite so far. Are they waiting until after the convention, worried that if they pounce before that, that their worst fear may happen…that Hillary might be the rival instead of *61???
Hey, when everyone is mailing out their “pumapac” letters to Hillary donors in your area, are you including your return address? I’m debating whether I should or not.
642 headoverhills on 07.02.08 at 10:36 pm
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Can you honestly say that this woman would covertly plan to sing this song at a public function if Obama wasn’t throwing around his divisive statements? He has payed the race card from the beginning, and his followers are following suit. We have ONE, repeat, ONE National Anthem, and it is not the White National Anthem, OR The Black National Anthem. So when you sing the Black National Anthem, you are injecting race into public policy.
Now I am so sorry you popped your head up for a moment, but don’t go WTFing me.
NOTICE!!! NOTICE!!!! NOTICE!!!!
If you didn’t see my earlier post there is a new Puma YouTube… wonderful … go there… rate it and make it one of your faves… before the bots get to it!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yML_vMPYnqU
k in the Rodham northwest, I have never been called…and I keep waiting. Who answers if you call them back? Maybe it is a poll that only counts *61 votes?
i have never been called either and i’m just chomping at the bit to get a call. my husband was here once and took a call that asked if he would vote for BO if Hillary was not the nominee and he said no. they asked if he would vote for john mccain and he said yes. i was proud of him, he’s coming along. he’s been asking me questions about our actions and ideas and he’s been talking to the guys at work, this can’t be easy because he is a union carpenter, but he’s taken an interest and spreading the word.
Halleluja, Halleluja -
I just wasted 45 mins. trying to log in. Would not accept my username or pw - Total frustration!
Now, I forgot what I was going to post!! OH, YES!
#373 Texassherry - I, too, was offended listening to the Black National Anthem. The tune was the same, but the words were ‘CHANGED’.
#376 LisaNC - I can’t stand neither the sight or sound of the Nameless One - sometimes he’s on all three main MSM’s at the same time - GRRRRRRRRRRR
#70 Go_Ohio_Lady - My heart goes out to you at the loss of your beautiful daughter, Lisa, in her prime. I too lost my son-in-law a year ago under the very same circumstances. He left behind four beautiful children. Two real tragedies that could have been prevented had the world not been so cruel to them.
Let’s work together to elect Hillary - she is the only one with true compassion!
Greta
I said that I would vote McCain if the election was today, tommorrow or on Nov 4—
I said I would NEVER vote Obama…..
He did say “Oh you are a Republican” and I said no “i’m a Democrat who will Never vote for Obama. In the primary I did vote for Hillary and would only vote Democratic if she was the Presidential nomination:”
What was buggy was that he said it was an independent survey out of NY but it was from AL…Hmmm Just thought I would see what you guys thought…Oh and on the call back I got “mail box full”
#643 headoverhills,
What are you talking about? I went back and read the comments and couldn’t find any linking this woman to Obama. I can tell you, however, that if I had been at that city council meeting and heard that woman desecrate the national anthem like that, I probably would have been arrested. That has nothing to do with Barack but, it has everything to do with my love of this country.
I don’t know why you are always coming here and causing problems, but I wish you’d just go away. You don’t contribute anything positive to our group.
Hey InuHanyou1701:
I see you have a myspace, i was going to add you but it says you only accept requests from people who know your last name…
i’ll just give you my myspace:
ONE of 18,000,000
#653 goandersen,
Yes, we need to get the word out everywhere.
#658 pa dem
I was under the impression that after the Anthrax thing, you had to include a return address or the Postal Service would just toss it?
#667 inuhanyou1701
i think that is just for government deliveries. i know there are some things that i’ve sent out without return addresses and they arrive okay.
Almost forgot! Murphy -
I posted my letter to Wisconsin early this morning -
GROWL POWER!
643 anti rodham fish
there’s more…
http://cache.search.yahoo-ht2.akadns.net/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=barack+obama+illinois+senate+record&fr=sfp&rs=0&u=www.atlanticfreepress.com/content/view/3063/81/&w=barack+obama+illinois+il+senate+record+records&d=BI0efS72RBg4&icp=1&.intl=us
Good Evening Pumas,
I don’t normally publish until early morning, but I just couldn’t wait. So… Out of my love for this forum, you get a sneak peak.
Obama’s Mortgage Mess Deeper Than First Reported
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/07/obamas-mortgage-mess-deeper-than-first.html
#668 sheila7
Ah I see! Thank you! I did not know this.
You learn something new everyday.
Two things:
#1 I believe the “October Surprise” will be a joint American/Israeli attack on Iran.
#2- Can’t we be honest and get something straight? Obama is NOT black. He is both black AND white, but we never hear him speak to his WHITE heritage. In truth, he is mullato, a wannabe black, and a doesn’t wanna be white.
That letter from Pat Buchannan should be read on MSM for complete and unbiased reporting.
God in Heaven, I am starving to hear what someone will say they will do for all America. Who will put the greater good for all above their own selfish agendas?
None, presently in the running, I’m afraid.
Ario #616, You pull them off by clutching them in your hand and then yanking.
Silly puma!
#665 ClintonRules
When I first joined MySpace I got alot of spam requests and request from bands I cared nothing about and whatnot. That’s why I use that little setting for MySpace. I’ll look for you! If I have a hard time finding you I’ll just post the last name I used for all you PUMAs (I’ve changed my last name on my MySpace profile for privacy’s sake)
#669 go rodham andersen,
It’s a gold mine! We just need to put it all together in a chronology and get it in the right hands.
#642- This is why I rarely comment because my comments are taken totally out of context. The fact is that this woman was not asked to sing the”black anthem”. Unless she is living in a closet she knows that racial tensions are high right now due to this election, but yet she couldn’t even apologize when people said that they were upset about what she did. The reason I said she was probably an Obama supporter is because they have used race constantly and caused a lot of people to get angry and I believe it is part of their stratagy to get votes through white guilt. If you read the comments below the Fox article you will hear a lot of racist and threatening comments and yes they are directed at Obama and there is talk of civil war. If the woman would have shown some respect for the mayor she would have sung the song he asked her to sing or at least asked him in advance if she could sing a different song. At the very least she was disrespectful and uncaring about other people’s feelings.
Folks, fighting on this blog doesn’t help anyone nor make it comfortable for others. Please chill out.
#665 ClintonRules
Is “ONE of 18,000,000″ your display name? (Just want to confirm)
If so, I’ve got you. You were the only one that popped up on the search.
Thanks, I decided to bite the bullet and include my return address. Because I wouldn’t open something without one. I’m including a pamphlet as well as a flier.
hi everyone, just checking out the links people posted. hope you are all doing well
Hi Trish, welcome.
#658 pa dem,
That’s up to you. You are probably pretty safe if they have donated to Hillary. Way I see it, they may need to contact you if they have questions or don’t have internet access. Many seniors don’t.
643 anti rodham fish
Here’s one for ya. Lord have Mercy!
http://politicalpartypoop.com/category/obama-watch/
#664 Antifish-Thank you. Once again you come to my rescue. I guess I will go back to just emailing my comments to Murphy and just lurking. I didn’t mean to start a fight. I am not a racist but I am very proud of my country, my anthem, my pledge of allegiance, and my flag. I don’t want any of them defaced or replaced.
Hi Trish,
pa dem
is there a place where we can see all donors? i think that site only shows above $250 or something like that and there are lots of Hillary supporters that gave $5-$200. I’m just wondering if anyone knows how to access them?
Obama just put a new ad out saying he passed the welfare reform bill and on Bill O’reilly they said that Obama actually opposed the reform bill. They are saying that McCain should go after him about it right away. I love it when obama lies and lies and lies. He’s been doing alot of it lately.
Mountain Song! I from the bottom of my soul hope your #1 is wrong. It makes me sick when I think of that possibility. I firmly believ it would be the straw.
hi trish
texassherry- i don’t think anyone thinks you’re a racist, i don’t
feel free to express youself anytime
duh youself=yourself
MURPHY….I have never gave $ to a republican….but if HILLARY dose not take the spot away from BO in Aug.
I will join you …as you did in 2004….AND BE VERY PROUD…TO DO IT..AFTER READING THIS….
updated 7:02 a.m. MT, Wed., July. 2, 2008
This year, those ads will not just run on in a few states.
Obama had raised $286 million through the end of May and is expected to raise hundreds of millions more by November.
He has already bought air time in solidly Republican states like Alaska, Montana and Indiana, in an attempt to force McCain to defend states he would otherwise take for granted.
The Democratic candidate also might advertise nationally during high-profile events like the Olympics or baseball’s World Series, and seek smaller, select audiences with spots on cable channels like the youth-oriented MTV.
McCain will be limited to $85 million in public money during the campaign’s last two months because he did not opt out of the public campaign-finance system, unlike Obama. So the Arizona senator will be forced to pick his advertising spots more carefully.
“McCain has the potential to stay competitive, but I think that’s the best he can hope for,” Tracey said.
#687 pooh496
Seems Obama walks on rainbows. Irritates the hell out of me that no one calls him on his crap. Even McCain is playing the coward now and backing off confronting Bo’s lies. Hell in a hand basket is all I’ve got to say about this entire mess.
pooh496
i watched that earlier and dick morris reminded us not to forget that hillary is still out there and she only suspended not conceded:)
http://politicalpartypoop.com/2008/07/02/you-too-can-speak-like-obama/
LOL!
#676 texassherry,
I agree. It pissed me off that she sung the words to the Black National Anthem to the tune of The Star Spangled Banner. That is totally unacceptable! By the way, do any other groups have their own national anthems? Just asking. Last time I checked, we were all Americans and had one national anthem. I mean, if it’s a new fad, I’ll get to work on the Puma National Anthem.
#687 pooh496
He’s incredibly arrogant. And now that he’s the Presumptive Nominee, he’s gotten his head inflated. (Has anyone noticed the “Obama for America” instead of “Obama for President” slogan? Has that been present throughout his entire campaign? I wouldn’t know.
I don’t care much about his slogans I was just wondering. I noticed it the other day and thought to myself “God he’s arrogant…”)
684 texassherry on 07.02.08 at 11:15 pm
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Not to worry. No everyone gets along all the time. Just drop it and continue along with us. Everyone is needed! You are as important here as anyone else that is here. And, we would miss ya!
#684 You’re welcome here texassherry, everyone here is frustrated in one way or another so we have to support each other or we feel more alienated.
#662 Sheila7
I have been waiting for a call or an envelope from the Chosen One but have not yet. Last thing I got was the stupid email asking me to donate and get a free T-Shirt. I sent a reply saying my money is limited and any xtra money I would have to donate would go to Hillary or PUMA. I also told them that the free T-shirt isn’t worth the fabric it printed on and that I had enough cleaning rags in my laundry room. Yeah think that is why they do not call me?
My mom gets all the stuff so she saves it and I send it all back with letters and PUMA stuff. But she did take the call from them and she talks more than I do and she told me she let them have it. They asked if she was going to vote the Chosen One she said “Why should I?” and the guy started to say something and she proceeded to tell him everything that was wrong with him being our nominee and that he is not qualified to even be considered as POTUS. She said by the end of the call she thinks she convinced the guy not to support the Chosen One. She said it made her day. It helped with my dad talking loud enough in the background telling his opinion too. Great Senior Moment for both of them and a good chuckle for me.
Just thought I would share it.
My thought is that he is acting like he is already the president and that he thinks he is Kennedy or Martin Luther King. I don’t think so. I sure hope he messes up big time before the convention. I really am praying that Hillary will get back in. When i picture the president in my mind I see Hillary not Barak.
#684 texassherry,
You’re welcome. No one here thinks you are a racist (well maybe one, but she doesn’t matter). As I’ve stated before, we do not need fair weather Pumas swooping in here to attack people for speaking their minds. We are all grown and if one of us says something off-color (God, can I say that?), the others can make a kind correction. We should not be belittled for our opinions.
#701 1of18milforhill08
that’s funny, i can picture my parents doing that and one of them yelling in the background. that’s what they do when i call them for goodness sakes. lol
1of18mil…what a great story. Kudos to your Mom and Dad.
virginia.puma - glad you addressed me specifically because you’ve been quite the talk of the Capitol today! Apparently one of your posts today made my Senate colleagues laugh at me for ever thinking this was anything other than a Republican hate site. I haven’t found it yet, but apparently somewhere today you make a reference to pedophiles and Obama. That’s rich. I spent the past 4 weeks trying to convince my colleagues that this site was about positive change - supporting Hillary and working for DNC rules changes. I’ve lauded the likes of Firebelle, NYCgirl, heysandy, and others too numerous to mention who impress me with their thoughtfulness and open-minded insight. And what post did they open to today? Yours! You know, the one where you talk about pedophiles, child molesters and Obama. Joke’s on me. Apparently they were right about this place all along.
headoverhills
i am not one to fight or get ugly unless i have to but you are crossing way over the line here. that’s enough. BACK OFF!
Interesting post at Heidi Li Feldman’s blog:
http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/2008/07/senator-hillary-rodham-clinton.html
#96 Hillstheone…I totally agree with you, about focusing on the Super Delegates and thanks for putting all that info. re: their emails and office addresses. I think everytime another blunder by BO and his Kool aid followers, we should just email something like…”is this who we REALLY want running this country?” Can you REALLY trust his judgement?”or “you can change your mind..it’s allowed!”
796 antifish
It’s only fair if you are going to be pres that I get to write the new antham. I am the singer songwriter after all!
sniff sniff, doggie??
#706 headoverhills
I can’t help but sigh. Murphy are you still here? Can we get an intervention here?
SORRY I JUST CAME ON & POSTED….THEN READED…..
WHAT A FUSS……FUSS WILL IT BE AFTER YOU READ THE WORDS……LOOK HOW THE SONG ENDS
……..True to our native land……JUST WHAT LAND DOSE “ONE” CONSIDERS…THEIR “NATIVE LAND”
LIFT EV’RY VOICE AND SING
also known as “The Black National Anthem”
by James Weldon Johnson
Lift ev’ry voice and sing,
Till earth and heaven ring.
Ring with the harmonies of Liberty;
Let our rejoicing rise,
High as the list’ning skies,
Let it resound loud as the rolling sea.
Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us,
Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us;
Facing the rising sun of our new day begun,
Let us march on till victory is won.
Stony the road we trod,
Bitter the chast’ning rod,
Felt in the days when hope unborn had died;
Yet with a steady beat,
Have not our weary feet,
Come to the place for which our fathers sighed?
We have come over a way that with tears has been watered,
We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered,
Out from the gloomy past,
Till now we stand at last
Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast.
God of our weary years,
God of our silent tears,
Thou who has brought us thus far on the way;
Thou who has by Thy might,
Led us into the light,
Keep us forever in the path, we pray.
Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee,
Lest our hearts, drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee,
Shadowed beneath thy hand,
May we forever stand,
True to our God,
True to our native land.
i don’t know if anyone saw my question earlier but is there a way to find out about the smaller dollar donors for Hillary? i think there are probably alot of them, i know several myself, but they don’t show up on the list. i think these would be great people to reach out to with flyers but don’t know if we can get that information anywhere.
#672 jrhed,
Thank you. You’ve really put the story together well, I hope something comes of this, but I’m becoming skeptical that anything can bring Mr. Teflon down.
Who and/or what is Liz Zee?
headoverhills
That is too far over the line…..Stop it!
Just read the new scathing e-mail to Murphy…since when do caucasians refer to one another as “whitey?”…I find that odd…
#708..PA for Hill. It looks like Hillary may be voting for McCain !! Hey, when you are in the voting booth, who knows who you are voting for.
Thank you for posting this.
smells like a dog, looks like a dog, it’s a dog.
Ignore it.
706 headoverhills on 07.02.08 at 11:26 pm :
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I have no idea what you are talking about. I suggest you look at the site today, and actually print our where I said anything about Obama and pediphiles. And you’s best do it quick cause I’m thinking real slander here.
#714 sheila7 is there a donor list that can be viewed? I have been a small donor, I wonder if I’m on it.
headoverhills: They must have found the comment out of context. virginia.puma was commenting on Obama’s views on the death penalty in light of the 12 year old girl found dead that was on the news.
We don’t need to be fighting each other.
I completely agree - our action has to be with the superdelegates - I know I’m beginning to sound like a broken record, but they have to know our PUMA numbers, our commitment to to reform, not revenge, and our true desire to see the most qualified person elected, not selected, as POTUS.
In order to do that, we have to write respectful, thoughtful, thorough and contemplative letters to the SD’s explaining why we believe their vote should go to Hillary.
I think someone else has posted all the addresses- but this is an action item that can make a difference. We can be change agents, and as goanderson likes to say and it bears repeating often so WE don’t forget…
“Never doubt that small group of thoughtful , committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has”. Margaret Mead
We do NOT have to accept this bizzarro world that has been created during this Primary season, where up is down, and Kool Aid is the drink of choice.
Also, “Integrity is not a 90 percent thing, not a 95 percent thing; either you have it or you don’t!
..Peter Scotese
thanks for all your hard work fellow Pumas…..
Antifish - I believe the linking language is fairly obvious: # 410: “So now we have a Black Natonal Anthem. Boy, this stuff just makes me sick. Oba