What a farce. Rude, crude, and totally unacceptable Senator Obama. Sitting while she speaks? Droning your repetitious (and BORing!) stump speech on what you claim is a historic day? Using your own daughters to condescend to American women?
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673 comments ↓
still no hillary!
I LOVE YOU MURPHY:)
Notice how they killed the sound on CNNbut the video is still rolling, there is proof that the PUMA’s are out there!!!!!
This is a “PECEPTION CAMPAIGN” It is ALL FAKE!!!!!
(sorry for the double post)
still working the crowd
Did C-Span leave their mikes open?
They still don’t get it - Chris from wash post saying we will be back - it’s not all about Hillary - it’s how we were deceived, devalued and degraded by the Dems & obama -
Aerosmith rocks! So do you, Murphy!!!!
I would give Hillary an A- for her part and maybe a c for his
i want to see who gets in car first still no sign of hillary now only crowd leaving pictures
now - some guy saying this is going to be cakewalk for obama - who baked the damn cake??
No BHO for me!
looks like they chasing crowd off
it happened so quick at the end did they do the hold hands together bit or just wave at the same time.
Senator Clinton is a class act! No wonder we admire and love her so much. She is a true Democrat
anybody see if hillary got in car first? feed is gone on internet
Hillary ROCKS! Too bad that she had to be put in the position to “support” him.
He’s an a$$, sorry, but he threw in a comment about years of work?
PUMA mentioned on MSNBC
I thought it would be a all afternoon party, not just one of those normal rallies. This was suppose to be a happy affair, it looked like let’s do this and get out of here.
What did msnbc say?
100 PUMAS - That’s good.!! We are only 4 weeks old!
Amazing they were shuffled off to a designated area. Write about it.
Well said and well done Murphy!
Reposted from previous post:
Chris Cillizza at the washingtonpost.com , the fix blog, was on C-Span talking about the article in the post this morning. They have this notion that we are going to come arould and vote for BHO. I THNIK NOT!!!!!
NOBAMA ‘08!!!
Time to show that our support is behind McCain.
Howard Dean’s scream crowd was better than this one. Do you notice how quiet it got at one point. That’s crazy!
How will we be won over
We are a small percentage
I just barey caught it………….
#18 vadaryl
looked like they were leaving a funeral home
Mccain’s speech earlier was not much better, but this was a joke.
Your right, I just don’t get it.
Murphy… I think it is time to get Press Releases out ther to every major news org, about our numbers, our positions and the fact that PUMAS are more committed than ever to put the Divide vs Unity squarely on the back of BHO and the DNP!
all i saw was wave then hillary left stage and bo drank water
P.S. We won’t “fall in line” and we will not take the blame!
My tribute to the DNC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVC2j_Kdw8c
CNN doing highlights now
#8 vadaryl
I want to flunk him for being a bad (very nice word for him) man!
PLEASE DON’T FALL FOR THIS!!! PLEASE GUYS! THEY HURT US SO MUCH! I AM LEARNING TO SHARE MY LOVE FOR HILLARY WITH McCain. He’s a pretty good guy.
#34 goodcitizen
Be careful about it. I made a similar joke the other day, and goandersen was all over it with anger.
ad for 360 tonight…”they’re showing a united front but as bo widens his lead and raises millions without clinton, many are wondering who needs whom more” sounds like another Hillary bashing
ugh…he sat there so smug looking while she was forced to stroke his ego - I wanna puke, lol.
Murphy, go_Ohio_Lady:
Good music - very entertaining. Live from Pumapac - It’s Friday afternoon!
Did you all hear the comment made on FOX, before the speech, saying that if they wanted to try to unite the party, why not have the speech in a place like WV or KY where Hillary won big. It was then said that BHO didn’t want to do that. So, does that sill sound like BHO wanting to diss us voters in WV and KY?? I believe so!! We see NHO for the snake that he is!!
Melissa
Wayne County, WV
PUMA Democrat
Dear Pumas,
I know this is long, and I’ve posted many of these thoughts before. However, here’s the letter I just emailed to Hillary (with copies to Dean, Pelosi, Brazile, and Obama). Enjoy …
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Dear Hillary,
You are a woman of amazing strength and grace to join with Senator Obama and speak on his behalf. However, there’s nothing you could say that would make me vote for him.
Once upon a time, I would have voted for Senator Obama if you had asked me to. Not anymore. Not after what I’ve seen in the last few months. Instead, I join with other PUMA PAC members in actively working to defeat Senator Obama.
Each Puma has different reasons for voting against him. Many will do so in protest for the way you were treated during the primaries. Many will do so in protest for the disenfranchisement and for the unconscionable way in which the DNC conducted itself. All will do so because we don’t believe that Senator Obama is right for our country.
In the interest of keeping my email brief, I will cite only my top two reasons. Understand, however, that there are many more.
My feelings about Senator Obama changed dramatically when the Reverend Wright story broke. I don’t believe that Senator Obama could spend 20 years in that church without embracing the hateful, poisonous attitudes of Reverend Wright. Those same hateful, poisonous attitudes dominate the blog posts from Obama supporters. When I see the hatred and violence that Senator Obama inspires in his followers, I can only conclude that an Obama presidency would be dangerous for our nation and the world. No matter what you say to praise your former rival, I see him as a very evil man.
Beyond that, I’m turned off by Senator Obama’s increasingly dismissive attitude. Refusing to do additional debates with you when voters still wanted to hear debates was dismissive of you and voters everywhere. Refusing to insist that Florida and Michigan delegates be seated in full was dismissive, not only to voters in those two states, but to voters everywhere. Refusing to accept John McCain’s invitation for weekly town hall meetings is dismissive. Voters want to hear those debates, and we’re entitled to them. Even Senator Obama’s refusal to accompany John McCain to Iraq to see conditions firsthand is dismissive.
What this says to me is that a President Obama will be dismissive of everyone and everything that doesn’t serve his immediate interests. That’s unacceptable. We’ve had that from President Bush for the last eight years. I don’t want it anymore.
I want to expand on the issue of weekly town hall meetings with John McCain, because for me it’s a very telling one. How many times during the primary season did Senator Obama say, “I welcome that debate with John McCain”? So why does he now do everything possible to avoid the weekly town hall meetings Senator McCain keeps asking for?
Here’s what Senator Obama’s actions say to me:
• Senator Obama is not a man of his word.
• Senator Obama does not respect voters who very much want to hear both candidates discuss the issues. Nor does he respect leaders in other countries who also want to hear both candidates discuss the issues.
• Senator Obama is not a man who can or will reach across the aisle as he has repeatedly promised to do. If he intended to reach across the aisle, he’d be doing it now every chance he could.
• Senator Obama is afraid that Senator McCain will expose the lack of substance behind his rhetoric.
• Senator Obama isn’t confident enough about the issues to speak without a teleprompter or the scripted words of his speech writers.
• Senator Obama doesn’t believe in transparency in government.
• If Senator Obama were to become President, he would repeatedly shy away from difficult discussions and uncomfortable topics. So, too, would he avoid talking with other world leaders unless they fall in line behind everything Senator Obama says.
You, dear Hillary, would never shy away from an invitation to do these weekly debates with Senator McCain, because you are a woman substance and good character. Senator Obama will never measure up to you, no matter how long he remains in politics.
On policy issues, I’m more closely aligned with Democrats than I am with Republicans. But I cannot in good conscience vote for a man of such bad character. If you are not our nominee, I will vote for John McCain in November. It’s not a happy choice, but it’s the only appropriate one.
FOR ME….LET IT RAIN MCCAIN!!!
HILLARY 12
I think I must have the wrong number for C-span. I have (202) 258-3886.
When I dial it says “the wireless customer you have reached…
I’m going to ask this again….
I beleive Hillary can still be the nominee. Does anyone agree?
#30 Taffy
That wasn’t water, it was clear kool-aid
#45 alohapuma
I agree
#45 Yes I agree!!!
This was a DOG and PONY show…… No Questions as the end, no “sound” while they walked through the crowd to leave.
This is an absurd joke, the MSM are desperate because when he loses, they will all look like fools…..
#40 SparkForHill, LOL
“43 mimi1020 on 06.27.08 at 2:32 pm FOR ME….LET IT RAIN MCCAIN!!!
HILLARY 12″
Sounds like the beginning of a good song.
Zimbabwe Election like DNC
coerced people to vote for a candidate……
#29 I agree and PLEASE let them know we WILL NOT back down!!
I agree! There is so much that can happen between now and the convention.
#45 alohapuma, Depends on the Denver National Convention. Too many people are in B.H.O.’s pocket. I just don’t know.
#34 - Murphy you may want to hide it. No negtives please, we have to be better.
#38 Taffy… it is no accident that they picked an evenly distributed delegate state to do this.
They did not want to risk the first “Unity” appearance in a larger metropolitan area with a potentially lower turn-out and much more “radical” voices in opposition of the disinfranchisement issues.
They are playing it safe for the moment and that is because Voter dissatification if higher than the media and DNPs pundits are acknowledging.
I love it when she references Bill’s 8 years. Bill and Hillary Clinton should be the “Darlings” of the Democratic Party not tossed under the the BO bus!!
I will never get the DNC’s thought process for not supporting her as she is light years more qualified than BHO.
Wonder what “speech” was given just before the Boston Tea Party!?!
Hillary, will continue to pray for you and your family.
OK body language experts what msg did you get from Hillary.
#44 anonymous, the number was 202 585-3886
Any words from our PUMA attendees at Unity NH? The only thing real at the event was HILLARY!!!!
#41 MissyD77 on 06.27.08 at 2:30 pm
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Actually, I read somewhere in a news article recently, wish I could remember where, that he’s written you fine folks in WV and KY off anyway. You’re not part of the ‘57 state stretegy’ because you see… you’re all clearly just a bunch of “bitter” “racists” and would never vote for *61 anyway. He does not need you, so he shall not waste his time. Doesn’t that just make you feel all warm and fuzzy toward this guy? BO is a loser and we’ll prove that part of him right come November!
Somebody just emailed this to me. It’s a new ad by McCain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mQ_eCGbdg0
Cynthia–from Women for Fair Politics on Larry King. Have fun guys.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SYS8EwR2Xso
I still can’t beleive all of you are focusing on your feelings and not on the legal issues involved.
Since, PUMA is collecting money, why not force the Obama birth certificate and constitutional issues in Florida and Michigan?
Feelings are fine, but legal issues are all you have left to work with now.
Chris Cilliza has a blog on WaPo called The Fix. Go there and let him know how you feel.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/06/the_case_against_hillary_rodha.html
#58 TXPuma on 06.27.08 at 2:37 pm
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They all jumped on the BO money train early and never looked back.
Did I miss something, who was the nominee and who came in 2nd. I think they had them out of order.
They called me “childish and naive” when I spoke out in the newspaper this past week. Could be worse?
#52 PA Guy, TRUE, the only thing they haven’t try to do is beat up on little children like the 4 year old in Zimbabwe who was beat while his mother was taken away and still no idea where she is.
Check Out the zombiesfortruth video collection, detailes flips, connections, lies and humor?
8-Balls of Fairy Dust
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwwIGsusVr0
Flips1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmBfmSTFWgU
Flips2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RPApEoMdIk
Flips3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHrg-YTyd0c
Obamas Friends
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEk1piCWcEo
The Obama Zone!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7ihp9s5d0U
Let me know what you think or if you have any Ideas, always happy to make videos for others!
My public service announcement: Please consider donating to PUMA PAC so we can get the message on the airwaves and ultimately reach a larger audience. (steps off podium). Pass the popcorn, please.
This may be the first time I have posted here. But have been lurking for a while.
First, thank you, Murphy, for having the passion to develop and host this sight. After being a Marshan, I needed a new home.
I have been a lifelong Democrat since I worked for and voted for McGovern.
I have now left the party, and will be voting for McCain.
I will never vote for Obama. I cannot be cajoled, coerced, intimidated, shamed, flattered, bought or in any other context, forced to give him my vote.
I pray that a miracle happens and Hillary becomes the nominee, but barring that, I will work for McCain, and wait for Hillary in 2012.
Thank you, Murphy, and thank you, PUMAs.
#45 alohapuma on 06.27.08 at 2:33 pm
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I agree!
#42 Firebelle Puma… excellent letter, on-point with how I feel.
Kempion, #64 — Pumas are a “we,” not a “you.” Divisive comments are not welcome. WE aim to reunite, not divide.
Goodcitizen, I deleted your comment. Obama deserves to lose in November, that’s all.
alohapuma#45
Many believe it …keep the faith!!
http://www.michellewhitedove.com/Blog-%20TheDemocraticIllusionJune2008.php
#61 go_Ohio_Lady
Thank you. I just called.
#51 PA Guy on 06.27.08 at 2:35 pm Zimbabwe Election like DNC
coerced people to vote for a candidate……
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The similarities are astounding!
Kempion #64
Legal issues? We can’t afford. Feelings? We can and they’re pretty strong, action strong. I think the birth certificate thing is weak. The relationships to Rezco and others is another matter worth time, energy and money. More will come, I’m sure.
I was about to give up all hope that Hillary had any chance of pulling this one out, but after that whatever you call it event, I am still holding out some hope.
#74 Murphy
Thank you for protecting us.
right on kempion. True! isnt Ed Hale getting a law suite going?
Just saw this on TMZ. Too funny!
Obama to Scarlett — It’s Not Me, It’s You
Posted Jun 26th 2008 3:10PM by TMZ Staff
Scarlett Johanssen loves Barack Obama — like, moony and gushy loves Obama. But — like her singing talent — it’s all in her head, apparently.
Johansson has been telling anyone who would listen that she has a furious email and phone relationship with the Democratic nominee and even that she’s “engaged” to him. (That’s probably news to Ryan Reynolds.) But as the National Review reports, Barack just revealed that he’s only gotten one email Scarlett — and it came through his assistant.
“I write saying, ‘thank you Scarlett for doing what you do,’ and suddenly we have this email relationship,” said Obama.
http://www.tmz.com/page/2/
The event? Sheep - BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
#60
I believe Hillary was out of body. Her sightline was “up and over”. She was composed in her body language, ie beauty queen smile, and clasped hands. I attended a small gathering of lawyers shortly after the “M Story” broke and she was exactly the same. This is disciplined composure.
I think the only way to rescue her from this humiliation is to thumb our nose at Obama’s money machine and pay off that debt. The faster we do it, the more dismissive Hillary supporters can be of Obama.
I truly believe the SD will abandon him like moldy bread if we give them an out. Most have got to know he is a disaster in the making
#76 anonymous, your welcome
I can’t believe how bad that was! Did anybody think it was good?
I was looking for some sort of apologies from Obama to Hillary but he proved that he was not man enough to so. It is just not in his character at all. It was so shameful that he kept repeating Hillary’s ideas on stage in order to link himself to her, and that has been how he claimed to have similar policy as Hillary all along.
We need to bring democracy back into the party and to hold DNC accountable for what it has done.
Country before Party, No Obama.
I agree with #44 alohapuma that Hillary still can be the nominee, but we have to do our part smartly.
OBAMA a political opportunist…..changes his mind
on MSNBC now
Ok…where’s our actionpac person. Here’s a link to American Pie lyrics. I say we send a copy with something (not sure what!) and Hillary money to anyone DNC dean pelosi brazille sds news media THE PARTY (with the good old boys drinking in celecbration) IS GONE!!! This was a farce! Sexist and humiliating!! There has been no convention, no roll call. They are backing Hillary into a corner where there will be no roll call!
http://www.1songlyrics.com/don-mclean/american-pie-printversion
#65 Kempion
Feeling help unite people, there is much work being done by this group, and the workload will increase. There is nothing wrong with focusing on feelings after watching that circus. And we have more than legal issues to work with, we have SD’s who have not yet committed, we have SD’s who have committed to Hillary.
We have the head people of this PUMA Pac dedicated to ensuring the Democratic party takes note of the actions members here are doing.
How do you recommend we go after the birth certificate, other than what is already being done. Its not an easy feat if reporters can’t even get it.
#71 mlhath
Welcome.
Mitt R endorsing Mccain was better show than this one.
#86 vadaryl, the only thing good about that farce of a rally was getting to see Hillary.
Regarding #45 alohapuma, I agree Hillary can still be nominated. That’s what this movement is all about for me (and even if she isn’t nominated, I have to follow through and protest the vote or risk another movement like this in the future not being taken seriously — and I don’t want my vote to be a lie). In any case, there’s a lot of time between now and the convention, a lot can happen and the superdelegates may realize it’d really be better to nominate the better candidate (the rest of the delegates need to follow the rules, or rules mean nothing).
I take it that recent posts are “upstairs.” I left a post “downstairs” apparently at the same time Murphy opened up a new “upstairs” here. I don’t want to repeat everything I said, but if you have a moment, go back toward the end for my comment on two matters: LGBT/Human Rights Campaigh Fund and being positive.
Some brave soul may want to venture over to Cheetoh Central or HuffyPuffy to find out how they’re spinning it in Ilostmybrainistan.
Not I.
Wear your helmets!
…Did anyone catch the Obama comment about how she does it all in “heels” ….please…she does it in heels with more b@@ls then he has….
Apologize?????? I’ve yet to hear a politician apologize……..
My take on this event is that after putting them up there side by side, speaking one after the other, sheeesh, if there is any doubt left in anyone’s mind, she is clearly the truly presidential one….(hello america! wake up!)
…and holy smokes, I could also see the panic in BO’s eyes while Hillary was speaking, as if he were thinking to himself, “Geez I am up sh** creek without a paddle. I need her more than I realized.”
That was the body language I saw. Hers was all about her well-earned power, natural confidence, and the pure joy of knowing who she really is….his was nowhere near that category.
If we don’t have a Hail Mary Hillary Miracle in Denver, then BO would be crazy not to put her on the ticket.
Murphy, I support Clinton because of my faith in our Constitution. I don’t care for her politics anymore than I care about McCain’s. I am anti-partisan.
While PUMA seeks to unite the Democratic Party, I seek to unite our COUNTRY. While our Constitution is under attack from BOTH parties, we will not be united.
I support PUMA in your support of Clinton and PUMA’s stance against the DNC. If there were a Republican version of PUMA, I would support them as well.
I am here to defend our Constitution.
Gotta GO…………..catch y’all later………
It will be interesting what hannity says on his show in few minutes.
valdaryl #86: Oh hell to the NO!! I made my physically ill!!
Ilostmybrainistan in Obamistan! I bet his trolls can’t any say it.
#84 alohapuma on 06.27.08 at 2:45 pm
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I agree! Pay down the debt for her! Let’s free her from under it and then we’ll see what happens.
Visit Heidi Li Feldman’s blog and click on one of her pay down the debt links today!
http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/
#44 alohapuma I agree with you~
How fake was that event? pretty much 100% being Noname bussed everyone in to begin with!
I also seen someone {in black t-shirt}hussled off the back of the stage when the video started~
Was that one of our Puma’s?
How did they silence our Pumas?
Did they get detained? Sent to a bogus location?
#45 yes I agree. It is NOT over! There are still some things in the works. She WILL be at the convention. We just need to get that debt paid. There are a lot of things happening behind the scenes, and some very big fundraisers, and influential people still working very hard for her. do not give up….the more he is out there, the more foolish he looks. If you really look at this…it is he who needs Hillary and us…this would not be happening if it weren’t so. He would not be giving her the time of day….
Just brush your shoulders off…stamp that devil under your feet…and let’s get back to work for Hillary.
Murphy,
My account at HuffPo was never activated. Anyone who can post over there might mention that PUMA accounts are not being activated.
Firebelle #98
Again, so well said. How’s the knee and how’s the play? Do we have Act III yet?
#56 i figured they picked a smaller venue to control Hillary fans.. this was supposed to be about bo but sure wasn’t enthusiastic crowd. I remember when i was in late show audience. they had signs overhead and people running around with signs that said “applause” I kept looking for them when “he” was talking
#64 Kempion
Many people ARE focused on the legal issues, as you’ll readily see if you go back through previous threads. However, lots of folks need to vent this morning in response to the speech in Unity.
Having said that, however, I personally believe that the issues you raised (Obama’s birth certificate and the disenfranchisement in Florida and Michigan) are dead issues. The DNC has repeatedly shown that it doesn’t care about these things. And our government will always find ways to get around these legal “inconveniences.”
I believe we need to move forward and find other avenues of attack. That’s why I keep pushing the debate issue. I may be wrong, but I think the most effective approach will be to keep showing how weak Obama is against McCain … and to do it strong and hard before the Denver convention. We don’t really want McCain as our President. But we can’t have Hillary as an option unless Obama self-destructs in the next two months.
Murphy, do you know how many PUMA’s were going to go today and is someone going to report back to you about what they went through?
#44
I still hold out hope that she will be our nominee. The Denver Group is working towards it. They are part of Hillary’s large donor group. I also think the way things are going for BHO - the superdelegates may determine it is in their best interest to follow the will of the people.
BHO is going downhill fast.
Superdelegates can switch at the convention to make a difference.
#96 dmrr on 06.27.08 at 2:48 pm
…Did anyone catch the Obama comment about how she does it all in “heels” ….please…she does it in heels with more b@@ls then he has….
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I believe that is called ‘testicular fortitude’! LOL!
#95 helmet…and shovels for the donkey s***.
He had to drink so much water while she was speaking i was afraid they’d declare a shortage
:) 
#113 SparkForHill on 06.27.08 at 2:54 pm Superdelegates can switch at the convention to make a difference.
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It’s my understanding that even the pledged delegates can switch if it goes past the first ballot.
Firechief #98
Oops. Wrong fire! How yah doing Fire chief? Haven’t heard from you in a while? There are three of us in WA that our talking via e-mail everyday. Want to join? Just ask Murphy for my g-mail. #108 was to you except there’s nothing wrong with your knee, I hope and you’re not Firebelle. I love her written play. Have you seen it?
#95 murphy… I spend hours trying to post there (HP).
there were suppose to be 100 puma’s in unity!
Murphy have you been contacted by any yet?
I pray they are allright!
#105: Hopefully Puma’s attending will be back home soon and check in with a full report of their experience in “UN-ity” We know they were there even if we didn’t see much of them.
Oh by the way, Heidi Li has a summary of her insider’s visit to the big joint ‘fundraiser’ event last night on her blog:
http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/
#105 gokimfrommichigan
What station were you watching? We can watch the replays and see if we can spot what you saw.
Went to huff post and only a few negative comments from what I read in the blog, about half the overall comments are about McCain looking old, and the comments about bo and Hillary are basically that they looked good together, and things look good. LOl I read about halfway down, its too boring same thing over and over
#95 Murphy
I am wearing a helmet and full body armor. You won’t believe this. They are showing a close up picture of HBO kissing Hillary on the cheek.
Firebelle #110
Agree fully. How’s the Play? Where’s Act III?
The greatest thing, she didnt give up her delegates
TREEPUMA
Anonymous #125
Ahhhhh. How sweet?
This is from HCSFJM.com site: This is good!!
NEWS ALERT! Just on Fox News: James McConaha (long-time democrat & formerly on Pres. Clinton’s staff) is now heading up “New Hampshire Democrats for McCain”!!!
He says he CANNOT back Obama & because of his high regard for Sen. McCain, he & his wife will be backing & campaigning for MCCAIN!!!
I LOVE IT !!!
#110 Firebelle Puma
It doesn’t matter if the DNC wishes to bury those issues. Of course, they want them to go away because they know the DNC violated the Constitutional rights of voters in Florida and Michigan.
The more you surrender, then more they will take. As I have expressed here — http://kempion.blogspot.com/2008/06/do-you-remember-2008.html
We’ve seen our 4th and 5th Amendments destroyed by DHS. Now, the DNC is going to get away with shredding our 15th Amendment. This is crazy.
#123 BigCatLover~
I was flipping the channels from c-span, cnn, msnbc & fox
I live an hour from Denver, I will do my part, in fact, I moved here from CA and therte are many Republicans here so even thaough we must fight hard iin CO, I do not think that BHO will pull off a WIN in November….
Nevertheless, I am trying to get some of my Republican neighhbors/friends to go to the convention with me to protest the Treasonous Obamaination
Mayor0102
I am in Wasington also, Everett area. I would like to be included in your group. Ask Murphy for my email.
#117 PA4HILL08
Then how can we be sure Hill can pass first ballot? Would Dean block it?
I saw one shot of a guy wearing a black cap with a white brim and what was clearly a PUMA emblem like this site) on the front of it.
Aombie #132
Have you joined the “millionvoicesforClinton” group who will be in Denver? Does someone have the e-mail address for millionvoices?
c-span is suppose to be replaying @8:00 pm
& Cnn live had 3 live channels going at the same time,
My monitor is only good about 15 min at a time then goes black so I had that off~
I think I started out watching c-span~
#71 - MLHATH
Welcome to the Jungle !
So much for my typing today. Zombie not Aombie. #132
Comments from Cheetohs:
As I listen to Hillary (22+ / 0-)
…I’m thinking this is a big FU to the PUMA people.
Great speech so far.
Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool– how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7
by BarbinMD on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:30:40 AM PDT
The PUMA people? Both of them? n/t (11+ / 0-)
Sim, a gente pode!
by SLKRR on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:33:02 AM PDT
Ha! n/t (4+ / 0-)
Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool– how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7
by BarbinMD on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:37:20 AM PDT
I heard (4+ / 0-)
all the PUMAs are cougars.
Is it irresponsible to speculate? It’s irresponsible not to.
by Penman on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:39:56 AM PDT
That is so wrong… (0+ / 0-)
… and so right.
Bush and McCain are suffering from a pre-1215 mindset.
by droogie6655321 on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:44
ok cable people wo is andrea mitchell? I’m in the trenches and they are really knocking her. saying she totally for clintons and they won’t watch her. She seems to think bo been disrespectful to Hillary throughout primary but she’s in clinton tank. they only seem to like keith oberman(?) sorry i don’t have cable
Terrig #132
I’m way south in the “armpit” of WA, southwest near Portland, OR. I’ll e-mail Murphy.
andrea mitchell=rita skeeter ???
#141 Taffy
I thought I’d read on earlier blogs that Andrea Mitchell was just as anti-Clinton as the other MSM. Clear this up folks.
Kempion,
I agree the legal issues (the nuts and bolts) will win the day. HOWEVER, we need to be fueled by emotion as well.
For me, believing Hillary can still be the nominee and President, is what keeps me going right now. It’s not resentment about what *61 did or didn’t do, or the believe that he is basically a con man.
*61 will eventually self-destruct and I have to believe the clearer minds in the party know that by now! Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean are not the clearer minds in the party.
This is just speculation, but I suspect they recruited *61 to run to build the party base again. You have to admit it was tempting given his “star power”. I think they had no idea that kind of money could be raised using Internet marketing techniques. ITS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE!
Now they have this unveiled guy who is showing himself, who they probably can not control if he gets in the White House.
I know a couple of Super’s personally. They have held for Hillary, but it’s not easy. Those who have switched to *61 did so because they are petrified by the numbers *61 brings to the table. Remember, their own re-election prospect come first.
I think many of these SD’s need an out and right now they don’t have one.
Most of what I just said is speculation…btw…
141- MANBC, andrea mitchell - Ex Fed Chairman GS’s wife.
#96 & 114:
Ovaries trump testicles any day of the week.
Andrea Mitchell is MSNBC.
I cant believe how much I enjoy Hannity these days.
Another Cheetoh:
HIllary: suck it, PUMA. nt (9+ / 0-)
Full text of H.CON.RES 362. (Yes, the ‘War on Iran’ one.)
by AxmxZ on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:38:37 AM PDT
#147 DancesWithPumas, LOL, some of you PUMA’s are too funny today…thanks, we all need a good laugh.
#130 Kempion
I certainly don’t disagree with you. But the more weapons we use, the greater our chance of winning.
#128 mayor 0102
I couldn’t believe it either. He is such a phony. I can’t stand him.
This picture of him kissing Hillary–OUR Hillary is on every website.
wow lots of hillary trolls on their site giving them fits
one point they say “he” has vowed he will not ask his small donors to contribute to Hillary even though link is up. Let the fat cats between the two fight it out!
they having same problem as here…not wanting to contribute anymore because afraid it will go to hillary instead of “him”
Andrea Mitchell has been consistently anit-Clinton…glaringly so. Watching her reports early in the campaign was my first tip that the media was on the obot bandwagon.
44 Aloha
I do
TREEPUMA
andrea mitchell is msnbc and pro NoName and Anti-Hillary at least she always has been before and is married to Alan Greenspan.
Excellent article on MSNBC… Not all things are rosie in “unityville” with Big Clinton Donors:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25411295/
#145 alohapuma
When the courts agree with me on the tresspasses of our 4th and 5th Amendments, it’s not speculation. The battle over the 15th will never happen, so we don’t know where the courts stand.
You all can take whatever approach you like. My concern will always be focused on protecting our rights.
More Cheetohs! They are such nice people!
she still annoys me (3+ / 0-)
will she shut up and give Obama the podium?
by PROfess PROgress on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:40:58 AM PDT
Uncalled for (6+ / 0-)
White Chick for Obama!
by bluestateonian on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:42:18 AM PDT
I think it’s better for her to do a lot of the (8+ / 0-)
talking, actually. Her supporters are the ones who need to be convinced and she is more likely to convince them than he is. That’s the point of this event.
Proud to be a latte-sipping, arugula-eating, kool-aid drinking egghead supporting Barack Obama.
by democrattotheend on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:42:21 AM PDT
I know that (1+ / 0-)
He has to embrace her, its a political move.
by PROfess PROgress on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:45:12 AM PDT
Right! She is killing the mood up in here. (1+ / 0-)
We Want Obama!!!!
Bob Marley: Don’t let them fool ya. Or even try to school ya…
by JoanMar on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:43:10 AM PDT
#108 mayor0102
Act II is always the longest. I’m trying my best to script it with our desired income. But I ain’t the only one wielding a pen.
The knees keep improving. Thanks for asking.
I hope the caption over the picture is true.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/politics/
Terrig #133
Sent an e-mail to Murphy asking her to send you my internet address (gmail). Looking forward to hearing from you. Those of us in WA have been surrounded by Obamania. I have a connection in Oregon as well. It’s great getting to now each of the PUMA friends. We all have different opinions and reasons why we are in PUMAville.
#141
Are you kidding me, in the tank for the Clintons. Years ago maybe. I have heard nothing but crap from Andrea M. since Bosnia. She was there with Hillary.
The unity speech - if you listen carefully, each repeated their own primary tone, there is no harmony. It will be hard for them to work together, especially with BO on TOP.
Must listen to Hannity. He is talking about our groups!
I don’t know if anyone posted this. It’s a video of Unity on MSNBC. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25415076#25415076
#108 Firebelle
Still on ACT II? I can hardly wait. How are the fires down south? It’s getting more coverage than the mid-west floods today?
Just read this joke and thought, now I know why he was clapping so strangely today!!
*61 is for banning all guns in America . At a recent rural elementary school assembly in EastTexas, he asked the audience for total quiet. Then, in the silence, he started to slowly clap his hands once every few seconds, holding the audience in total silence.
Then he said into the microphone, ‘Children, every time I clap my hands together, a child in America dies from gun violence.’
Then, little Richard Earl, with a proud East Texas drawl, pierced the quiet and said: ”Well, dumb-a**, stop clapping!’
Nice letter Firebelle Puma. I wrote to that weasel Dean today also.
want to donate to make andrea mitchell weathergirl in burma
#129 Rosemay57
I think we should email James McConaha and thank him for doing the right thing. Hopefully others will come to their senses and follow.
Was out reading the blogs and found this terrific quote about possum and Hillary - ‘united is just an airline’ (btw - they’re not doing so well either)
If you have the latest people magazine….look on page 113…disgusting!!! For those who don’t it is MO being portrayed as Jackie O. Hurl city!!
Hannity giving a shout out to Just Say No Deal. Says Hillary supporters flocking to BO is pure media spin.
now dissing a margaret bloomburg
Donna Brazile sent me this brief canned response to the email I sent this morning to Hillary (with copies to Brazile, Dean, Pelosi and Obama) …
***
Stop the hate and do not send more emails to me. Go find your joy and stop disrespecting Hillary Clinton.
If you want McCain, send him your rantings. I have moved on and it’s time you send your angry notes to someone else.
***********
Here’s my response to Donna (with copies to Dean, Pelosi, Obama, and our beloved Hillary) …
***
Dear Ms. Brazile,
I wouldn’t be sending emails to you if I didn’t respect your position as a superdelegate. Despite what I believe is your misguided support of Senator Obama, I’d like to believe that you care about our country and our future. I’d like to believe that you’ll exercise good judgment and cast your vote for Hillary Clinton at the convention in Denver.
I often do send copies of my emails to Senator McCain, as per your suggestion. I sincerely hope he’ll use my talking points.
As for your suggestion to “stop the hate,” the hate isn’t coming from me or my PUMA family. We love this country too much to see it in the hands of a man who spent 20 years embracing the hateful, poisonous rhetoric of Reverend Wright. We love this country too much to see it in the hands of a man who inspires such vile behavior in his followers. Again, I seriously considered voting for Barack Obama months ago. But the more I see of him, the more I dislike, distrust, and fear him.
Even my staunch Republican friends, who have gained increasing respect for Hillary Clinton during the primary season, have begun describing Senator Obama as “scary.” They didn’t feel that way last January. This is new. This is something they’re seeing in light of the Reverend Wright story and the hateful blog postings of Obama’s supporters.
If you keep tuning us out and don’t heed our words, the Democrats will go down in defeat in November. I have a feeling that the DNC cares more about winning than it does about crowning Obama. If you want to win, the way to do it is with Hillary.
Thank you for your consideration.
Kempion,
Because we all see the world through different lenses and respond accordingly, the majority of these issue are relevent in terms of public perception.
To clarify, I was not suggesting you were speculating, nor would I base my vote or activist involvement on speculative thought.
Looks like there are 2 links. The first is his speech, the second is hers.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25415076#25414991
saying she only brought up bill to stir the pot funny bet there is a troll watching my comments
Hi troll!!
Alohapuma, I agree. I believe Hillary would not be doing this unless she had something up her sleeve. She would not allow herself to be publicly humiliated by supporting BO, unless there was a damn good reason for it. Uniting the party is not the reason.
She knows full well this SOB will be putting his foot in his mouth one too many times. He has also been burning bridges without constructing new ones. He has no where to go but down.
I hear when Hillary introduced BO to her financial supporters last night, they were less than impressed. When asked about the blatant sexism that Hillary was hurt by, he stated well others have also been hurt. That was his chance to take a stand for women, for Hillary and he did not!
I have to believe that BO will self-implode and Hillary will be our nominee! I don’t believe that BO can win and I don’t believe the DNC thinks he can either.
I will vote Republican for the first time in 34 years. My party has given me no choice, if Hillary isn’t our nominee. I will vote for the American people and not allow BO anywhere near the White House!
One Love
Firebell,
Goddess response!
Unity bo creates these magical things and then capitalizes on them for us to enjoy
#180 dcinvegas~
Thank you for both links, I saved them my monitor is scrolling hardta see wher I’m typing has to cool off~
I think I left the last post on the previous blog. I’m reposting here as if anyone is from Florida they may also wish to contact Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz. I think I will also write to Donna Brazile again even if she did ask me not to contact her again as she was spreading Joy and I was being hateful.
BY FAX: (954) 437-4776
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz
Dear Rep. Schultz,
I know you were a Clinton supporter who is now supporting Obama. I ask that you not release Sen. Clinton’s delegate to Obama. The race is not over and anything can happen before the Convention. Furthermore, Hillary has the right to have a roll call at the convention. Many candidates before her went to the convention with far less delegates.
As to the Clinton supporters that are for McCain, I am a PUMA, one of many pro-Hillary supporters all over America. I will not ever vote for Obama as I consider him not to be the true nominee. He was “selected” by the DNC Rules Committee who met behind closed doors and allocated delegates to Obama that he did not earn and also gave him 4 of Hillary’s earned delegates. As a member of Congress, you should be alarmed at the hijacking of the democratic process. The party has lost me as I cannot support an unqualified candidate who lies about his associations and also played the race card against the Clintons and then blamed them.
The Unity event today in NH was a farce. The Party is not united and we will not come home until the DNC does the right thing and takes away Obama’s delegates that he did not earn and have a roll call at the convention with Hillary on the first ballot.
Again, I will not support Obama.
.
#178 Firebelle Puma, powerful response!
Susie #174
United Airline comment! Love it
saying she is holding her delegates hostage until bo pays off her debt
#161 antifish
What site are you on?
Murphy,
We need you and Mr. Bower to give a response to this “Unity” show. Can you call in or something? Larry King asks people to call in to ask their questions. Can you call and talk to him tonight?
Hi dcinvegas.. Glad to see you back. E-mail me.
Unity, NH: It was a repelling combination, like a meal of Chocolate Cake and unsweetened Grapefruit juice! The love just wasn’t there!
Here is a little note from Donna Brazile expressing her prefab opinion of NobamaNetwork.com:
Subject: Unity Across America,
Yes, it hurts to see the party united and it must hurt to see two terrific Americans embracing for change.
Can you send your filth, your hate and your repugnant views to the political party that has spent decades dividing us along similar lines?
Here is where I stand and millions of other Americans who will work hard to support the Democrats this Fall: No more lies, no more smears and no more wars!!!!
No more tax cuts to the wealthy and no more crumbs to struggling middle class families!!!
No more levee breaches and no more government trailers laced with poisons.
Get a grip and find your joy! I have moved on and it’s time you and those you are trying to rally with hate filled lies and more smears find your joy.
Now saying she being gracious and positive in her speech
#168 dcinvegas
Thanks for the link. I just started watching *61 and had to come back to complain. When he was thanking everyone, he said, “Thank you Hillary Clinton” and he didn’t even look at her. She was standing right next to him, and he couldn’t even look at her when he thanked her! He disgusts me!!
#169 mayor0102
I haven’t been following the news stories too closely. It breaks my heart to see all the fires burning in California, knowing that I can’t be on the fireline helping. It’s still too soon to know if I’ll be able to return as a firefighter. However, I’m seeing measurable improvement in my knees. I now have hope.
“Get a grip and find your joy!”
LOL!!!
Firebelle #178
Donna can’t take the heat, can she? Everything is about “hate” with these people. I remember the 60s when it was love, love, love, peace, peace, peace. Now its the 2000s and its hate, hate, hate. Where have all the flowers gone?
all about bo and how gracious he is and people can really see the contrast and he right choice. also saying give her a break she’s trying too old to run again after bo
I’m watching her speech…they keep the camera close on her so all you can see behind her is kool aid drinkers. Her speech is enough to make you cry. I know she has to say it but it hurts to hear it nonetheless.
Firebelle #196
Keep the faith. Knees take a long time. I have two in my family who have had different knee surgeries and it does take a long time (a year) and that was with theraphy twice a week. Don’t force it. Anyhow, you have great writing talents.
donna must have some of bo’s legion of soldier boys sending those letters, they do not sound like they would come from someone who is familiar with writing to the public.
They have a hate and anti-everything smell to them.
#182 DaddysDarlin
I agree. Hillary certainly gives the appearance of supporting Obama. But more than that, she’s appealing to his supporters so that when he implodes, she will have already captured their respect. She’ll be able to slip into that nominee role with far less resistance from Obama’s supporters.
said screamed bo then Hillary cause didn’t want her to feel bad
I’m gonna have to take a shower soon
bo quientessential gentleman discouraging chants for him and encouraging hers
dcinvegas #200
I cried all through her speech. The reason was because she is the best leader that this country “could have” had and the DNC and Obamanites let it slip through their fingers. It’s not about who is “best”, but who is most popular. That’s high school politics at its worst.
I’m sorry to say this but I dont think paying down Hillary’s debt is going to make “our” point. Can we come up with 20mil even 10mil? She is doing her job. If ‘we the people’ pay down her debt then what? Will she be free? I am not convinced. She is still part of the Dem. party. Debt or not 18mil votes should count for something. My God this is the Clintons, the most powerful couple in the party. And they still pushed her aside. I think paying down her debt is a nice idea, but not productive. We are not heavy hitters, if we were we would have been at the Mayflower yesterday.
We DO need to make a stand today with something. $5.00 to McCain? A crap load of stuffed pumas sent to HER office? I dont know what. BUT SHE also needs to know WE ARE NOT BUYING IT.
I love Hillary and I want her in this time but we need to let them know soon that we are not that easy. And our purpose here is larger.
#178 Firebelle Puma… Great letter and…..
How hypocritical “Stop the Hate”… Yes, Ms. Brazile, we do believe that BHO, you and the DNC are doing more damage to both women’s rights and the progress our country has made in the last 20 years over racial issues, not to mention the public’s view of a tainted political process.
Why does she believe that a “black” selectee is more important history-making than would be the woman she has long “admired so much”, used for her own political aspirations, and would hands-down profess as the most qualified candidate, if it were not for BHO jumping in the race as an opportunist against a female candidate!
Hi PUMAS,
I AM NEW to your membership. It sickens me that Obama would use my state of “New Hampshire” for his theatrical charade. Who is organizing in New Hampshire? I want in to defeat Obama. As a former Edwards voter turned Hillary supporter, I want you to know that more than 18 million people supported Hillary, 18million who voted for her plus 3 votes from my houshold. We will not accept NOBAMA! UNITY my foot! America still believes in doing the right thing. We don’t “select we elect nominees”. We will vote for McCain to make it hard for Obama if the DNC doesn’t make things right. For every vote McCain gets, Obama will need 2 more. - have to pick up my son it’s thundering in New Hampshire. It will rain on Obama’s parade…how fitting! Go PUMAS!!
arguing over whether this is possible lead in to joint ticket. somebody made comment she would be great in the debates
#96 heels…….doing it with b@@ls……oh my gosh, that was a good one!
Hello Everyone …
Before we start donating to Senator McCain’s Campaign, we desperately need to pay down Senator Clinton’s Campaign Debt … to position her, just in case that miracle comes along … so please don’t go off the bridge just because there was a rally today. Senator Clinton is being a team player with professionalism, grace, style, and keeping us in mind always. I’m not saying (so don’t take this message out of context) that I would vote for Senator Obama … I will not, but if you have the $$$’s to donate, please bring down the debt for Senator Clinton’s Campaign to give a good position at the August 25th Convention … should the opening occur, and to PUMA.
Remember, Senator Edwards also suspended his campaign and could move … in a minute.
GO TO HILLARY CLINTON.COM donate to bring down her debt. Everyone I’ve talked to at her Campaign Office confirms that all $$$’s donated go to her Campaign.
Thanks for listening!
(#44) alohapuma:
No, Hillary won’t get the nomination as things stand now.
She was once my hope; she is no more. Why? Because, as I have found, she is for the principle of party first, not power to the people.
Your hopes and mine as PUMAs should now be focused on roaring at the DNC, that we are about to pounce on them for turning full votes into halfs and stealing others for Obama. AND for them giving abated importance to the popular vote.
The current DNC leadership has skewed the meaning of democracy (a system in which people rule) and needs to be dealt with before they can get away with their acts of oligarchy (rule by a few members of the elite, who generally benefit themselves).
Think restoration to democracy, okay? That’s what PUMA is mainly all about, not Hillary Clinton (I hope I have that right, Murphy).
Taffy #210
Why should Hillary clean up OB’s messes? I hope she is not on the ticket for that very reason. Let him fall and fall hard.
Oh God “In Obama We Trust”
#65 antifish - posted to WA Post & Chris what’shis name but it’s in moderation - told him that he & the rest of the media etc just don’t get it - that of course we’re angry about Hillary but that we are protesting the way the DNC, the dems, obama & the media selected the nominee, etc……………feel like I am beating my head against the wall - feels good when I stop…….
Mayor0102
Thanks for the support. If Hillary can keep the faith, I can too.
As for Donna, it’s her own hate that colors her view of the world. Were she not so full of poison herself, and were Obama not so full of poison, Donna would be generating responses that help us see why Obama would be good for the country. Alas, there’s nothing good she can cite, so she has no choice but to call us hateful.
4 just said they went and donated $25 at Hillary’s site
Maxgrader #214
Agree completely. I’ll always love Hillary and support her in any endeavor, but not the DNC. The PUMA goals are very clear. In fact, MURPHY, can we post them again from time to time on the threads. Not everyone goes back to the PUMApack Intro.
Finally! The MSM is reporting that “we” are not the only ones that are not “falling in line”, “coming around” and “getting over it”.
I want to encourage everyone here that this is not over. The war between the GOP and BHO has just begun.
Who do you really think the country would pick to be in the same fox hole in the midst of a war - BHO or McCaine?
Firebelle #218
Poooooor Donna. One has to feel for her if she has that much hate stored up. Must have been a tough life (seriously)
big discussion on why he didn’t bring up problems in Zimbabwe. others arguing he needs to wait til he president then he can make changes
My response to the Democratic National Party asking for money;
I will not give one copper penny to support OB.
Big test? You bet. You and the democratic party help steal the party nomination
from the best candidate, Hillary Clinton.
No Hillary, NO MONEY!
BHO and BHO supporters alike will say or do anything to get our votes, Please do not fall for it, it is all empty.
I have been posting on several sites since December and I have watched as these supporters have disrespected Hillary and her supporters. I have taken screen shots from that BHO blog site and watched as the hateful bile spewed accross the screen, then I would look at the HRC site and see, uplifting, gracious spirited conversations.
This is what really “Turned me on” to Hillary (yes I am a man, and not in that way
)
This country needs not only the most quallified person (HRC) but this woman and the uplifting support from these great women that have been behind her since day one!
BHO is desperate, his words are empty rhetoric and he does not care for anyone but himself, just like his followers.
Do not give them the satisfaction, just look at the blogs and you will see how they really feel about us!
Hillary Supporters for McCain 08
McCain/Clinton 08 (I will support that ticket!)
Comment…Thank God illary wasn’t like this in campaign. We would have lost.”
hillfan4mccain,
Everything you say is true…especially that 18 million votes and winning the popular vote should count for something. It should mean everything.
I also believe we have to be pragmantic about what needs to be done here. If Hillary’s supporters do not pay this debt off, then this issue will haunt her and discredit her for the rest of her political career.
We are not heavy hitters, most of us. The thing is in the Internet age, we don’t have to be heavy hitters individually to influence a large result. BO is charming (for awhile) and give a rousing speech (better the first time) but his ability to harnass the power of the Internet to generate money and influence public opinion is why he is where he is.
In someways we are practicing “old school resistence” which is also extremely important, but I don’t think that’s going to win the day without incorporating what I’ve described above.
Please understand I mean no offense. Our pupose in the larger context is to protect our democracy. You are absolutely right.
I just think we can not loose sight of the nuts and bolts and realities of politics.
#181 dcinvegas
The link to Hillary’s speech stops every few seconds. I take it as a sign that “WE ARE NOT VOTING FOR HBO”
PUMA’s
You still rock.
I posted a link earlier to the radio broadcast that was on the BBC but I don’t think it worked properly.
It should work now.
Try
http://powerofpuma.blogspot.com/2008/06/pumas-at-unity-sham-speak-to-bbc.html
or
http://pumaalliance.podbean.com/2008/06/27/bbc-news-at-unity-new-hampshire/
Hillary needs to tell BHO and the DNC the following and then release a statement to the Public that it is what she has told them:
“Okay, I’ll do whatever you want, go wherever you want, say whatever you want, as long as there is a delegate role call at the convention and my name is still on the ballot.”
re: the issue of People with MO the new Jackie O (which the NYT did a couple of months ago) … Seems to m