Had I represented twenty thousand voters in Michigan, that political editor would not have known nor cared whether I was the oldest or the youngest daughter of Methuselah, or whether my bonnet came from the Ark or from Worth’s.
- Susan B. Anthony
Attribution: Anthony said this c. 1873, reacting to an editorial in a Kalamazoo, Michigan, journal which focused on her appearance, ridiculing her age (53) and her style of dress. [source]
GO TO UNITY NEW HAMPSHIRE TOMORROW WITH A SIGN THAT READS, “THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS A HOUSE DIVIDED”
Political speech need not be loud to be profound. It need not be a dramatic show by tens of thousands to be effective. The only requirement for political speech to change the government and our civic life is that it be public.
Look for a minute at the anonymous woman in the photograph above. Look at her very small sign and her homemade donation basket. Look at the boys and men who surround her. What is her point? Why is she standing there? She is ALL ALONE. Why doesn’t she just go home where no one will ridicule or harass her? If she goes home no one will humiliate her clothes, her hat, her face, her weight, her age, and her intelligence.
She was dismissed by the press; ignored by the Party; and ridiculed and harassed by her neighbors and strangers on the street. And yet she still still showed up on the street that day with a silly sash, a decorated basket, and a very small sign.
The response she received for her solitary gesture was at best indifference and dismissal, at worst harassment and humiliation. But the response she received then is irrelevant now. Across the nearly 100 years since this woman took her very small sign to the street, her gesture changed from insignificant to profound.
Her lonely stance in a public place, along with a thousand others like it on a thousand separate streets, forced the country to face and eventually admit that it was divided. To acknowledge in the courts and in the state houses that there could be no unity in civic life when fully half our citizens had no voice in government.
So, don’t be ashamed of being alone, of making solitary gestures with hand-made signs. Don’t be afraid of being ridiculed or harassed. Followers follow leaders only after the hecklers and the harassers have lost their voices and their credibility.
GO TO UNITY NEW HAMPSHIRE TOMORROW WITH A SIGN THAT READS, “THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS A HOUSE DIVIDED”
If there are 50, 10, or even 5 citizens with signs, we will be less alone than the lonely, protesting citizen above.
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Good Morning Pumas!
Confirmation Georgia flowers delivered yesterday.
This may be good news if the two candidates comply. Several watchdog groups are asking the two campaigns for full disclose on financing. Might take some more of the glitter off of Obama. If he doesn’t balk, of course.
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20080625/Candidates.Disclosure/
Yes!, #1 Again. It’s a pattern, ya’ll. Must be something to it!
Morning Murphy, I hope you got some rest, it looks like it will be a very busy day, getting ready for tomorrow. Well be back later, another doc appt. yech lol
TREEPUMA
Morning Murphy, hope you had a good rest.
(Repost from 1:30 am) Please read…
Radio XM Potus 08 is one of the only political news that makes a great effort at having balance coverage of this election. I have tuned out CNN and MSNBC.
Anyways, today I heard some important information concerning California that might be useful; apparently, according to the commentator, the Hispanic vote could decide the winner of CA. Sen Clinton won the Hispanic vote in this state, so now as you can imagine *61 is courting this group strongly. The commentator said that if McCain wins the Hispanic vote, he would make it very competitive and could become surprising. According to the polls today they are suggesting that this base of Clinton supporters are now flocking to *61…mmm…I am not sure about this yet. In retrospect, to this comment are there any PUMAs here from California able to do some ground work and figure out how are the Hispanics leaning there for real? It could become a PUMA action to heavily target this population in CA–CA represents 55 votes on the electoral map , hence 20% of the electoral map. Do we have anyone here that is good w/ statistics that could break down the Hispanic vote percentage representation in CA? Anyways, my point is that we need to figure out if it would be feasible and reasonable to ensured *61’s support of the Hispanic vote is not strengthen, since we would be using PUMA resources if we want to get the word out effectively . If so, I suggest coordinating and forming a coalition with the Hispanic pacs out there (Murphy do you have access to the pacs point of contact?) A great outlet to spread PUMA is to use “Univision” since it is the main Hispanic television outlet in the USA (Murphy, getting an interview with them could become pivotal to strengthen Hispanics support to the PUMA cause). Also, There is local TV “Univision” presence in most of the states, however, the NATIONAL Headquarters is in Miami.
Also making use of the local papers and radio stations: 3rd generation hispanics are mostly bilingual, but the 1st generation is not necessarily.
Youtube (I know someone here is really good w/this–I can help translate)
Flyers, etc.
Murphy, I think I read you mentioned you are working on a Spanish version of the PUMA site!!!Is that correct?
What do you think? Could this work?
Good Morning Pumas,
This upcoming weekend is going to provide a media bombardment touting Hillary’s efforts to raise funds for Obama. The media has already heralded Bill Clinton’s endorsement of Obama as some great achievement. Now is the time to email every Hillary Supporter, Blogger, Friend & Family you know to tell them NOT TO CONTRIBUTE to the Obama campaign.
Hillary is in a bad political position, and Bill Clinton’s endorsement was mediocre at best. At a minimum push every democrat you know too atleast hold off to the convention before the consider Obama support. His contributions dropped by 33% in May and many of the wealthy who have funded 60% of his campaign have already contributed the max to both the “primary” and “general election” cycles.
My daily hot links at PDOP are updated and we have just published a shorter article on the Democratic Leadership’s failures this week to act upon meaningful legislation to address the Energy Crisis, including the opposition to a $6 billion renewable energy amendment attached to the Mortgage relief bill. My primary article of the day “Obama’s Subprime Contributors” will be published at 2pm CST. This article should be a nice wake up call for people showing that Obama has taken millions from the very “evil” subprime & Investment banking executives that he has demonized in his populist rantings on the campaign trail.
Be sure to check out hot links and this afternoons article at Politically Drunk
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com
Jarid
Morning Murphy! Ready to go again!
Harriet Christian has a post on NoQuarter.
I must have missed something. Who or what is *61?
Hi, PUMAs,
This is going to get bigger —
Here’s the interview Ralph Nader gave yesterday to the Rocky Mountain News in which he said Obama “talks white” in order to play off of “white guilt”. The best part of this is: If Obama hadn’t taken offense at this and commented publicly on it, no one would have noticed Nader! Thanks for bringing Nader back into the mix, BO!
Here’s the opening paragraph:
“Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader accused Sen. Barack Obama, the presumed Democratic Party nominee, of downplaying poverty issues, trying to “talk white” and appealing to “white guilt” during his run for the White House.”
Read the whole piece here:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jun/25/nader-critical-of-obama-for-trying-to-talk-white/
NYCgirl
#9
*61 represents the year BO was born
#9 mpdamon. *61 It is his birth year.
Jarid: I always loved your articles. What happened to the articles prior to May? I was going to refer the Talking Points people to some of your articles from March/April.
#9 mpdamon,
What is *61? Yes, that is a good question which we are all still trying to answer.
reposted from downstairs;
GM Pumas:
The more I think about Hillary helping Senator O, to me it makes him appear weaker, he can not even unite the democratic party, the group that he wants to respresent as president, he needs Hillary who he dissed at every turn to assist him.
When you compare the two individuals , JMC is a shining light compared to the flip flopper. My vote for JM is not a protest vote, I never planned to vote for “O” if Hillary was not nominated, wish folks would stop using the words” protest vote” I will vote for JM because I see him as the better candidate to run this nation.
Found this article this morning thought I post in case you have not read it
Senator Hillary Clinton said Tuesday she was not thinking about becoming vice president in a Barack Obama administration and warned her supporters against casting a protest vote for the Republicans.
“I am not seeking any other position,” the New York senator told reporters on her first visit to Congress since conceding the hard-fought Democratic nominating race to Obama on June 7.
“You know, it is not something that I think about. This is totally Senator Obama’s decision and that’s the way it should be,” she said, without wholly renouncing any vice presidential ambitions she may harbor.
Clinton and Obama are to hold their first joint campaign rally on Friday, in the aptly named New Hampshire town of Unity, in a bid to heal Democratic wounds opened up by their five-month primary battle.
The former first lady addressed disaffected supporters who, angry at her primary loss, are threatening to vote for Republican John McCain instead of Obama in November.
She said her message was “that anyone who voted for me has very little in common with the Republican Party.”
“If you care about the issues I care about and the future that I outlined during my campaign, then you really have to stay with us in the Democratic Party and vote for Senator Obama to be our next president,” she said.
Clinton said it was appropriate that Friday’s event was taking place in Unity, a small town in western New Hampshire where she and Obama got exactly 107 votes each in the state’s January primary.
“So, this is going to be a symbolic event that I hope will rally the Democratic Party behind our nominee,” she said.
© 2008 Agence France Presse. All rights reserved.
I ask that all PUMA supporters “push hard” for the following things if they are to change this corrupt system of Government. (Murphy please speak out for all of us on this one)
1st. We need a serious list of questions that “We” create and are allowed to ask BHO to answer. If BHO is truly “transparent” then he should not have a problem answering them.
I have come up with a “short list” of at least 40 questions that I would like hem to answer without tele prompters, ear pieces, etc. (e.g. In his book it states that he “read the pamphlets on the TUCC church, if this is true, why did he accept the churches “published” value system and claim that he was a Christian when it is clear “to this day” that the TUCC is not a Christian church, it is a Black Liberation Theology” church) or Why he has been on the Woods Foundation with Ayers that generates money for Rashid Khalidi and the PLO?)
2nd. I am a true Hillary supporter and do “not” expect that all of you are, I do not buy this “load” that the MSM is trying to push down our necks.
Therefore, I would suggest that anyone that is a PUMA member and sees a rally where “Hillary” is stumping for Obama, they need to ask her point blank,
If after everything you have learned about BHO in this primary election (his connections, his radical views, his racist church and the fact that he was willing to accept uncommitted votes in MI for himself)
Do you Hilalary “really” support BHO?
If she says “Yes”
I plan on giving her a pile of Hillary shirts, Pins and signs back to her (in front of everyone there) and telling her that I will no longer support her or he cause if she is willing to abandon her supporters and democracy!
This election has become all about perception, I will always only support Hillary from here on out if she denounces BHO,
Hillary and the DNC need to know that no matter how many people come out for BHO (Chelsea, Bill, Ed, Ect, Etc, Etc) it still does not change the fact that this election was “stolen” from the American People and we will not allow this country to be stolen from the people by anyone!!!!!!!!
This matter is much greater than the dictatorship that the democratic party has become or any kind of “party unity”. We as Puma’s should be reaching out “across the isle” to dem’s, repub’s, indy’s, etc, etc, etc.
This is a matter of the USA’s election system being lost forever. I have watched as the election process has been corrupt in “at least” the last 2 GE’s for President in 2000 and 2004.
If you are a “True Patriot” (as I am) and can stand on your morals and principles (as I try to), If you “value” the USA and the freedom that it once stood for, please think about what I have posted and follow suit in creating this “new” perception in our great nation!
I will never vote for BHO and truly I fear a full scale “Civil War” if he is elected after committing “treason” with the DNC and MSM in order to get this nomination.
As you can see below by definition, BHO, the DNC and the MSM have all conspired to the 1st definition of treason below provided by dictionary .com
By knowingly and improperly vetting BHO, by allocating uncommitted delegates from MI to BHO and by not providing a “fair and just” coverage for “ALL THE CANTIDATES” we have “AGAIN” been forced to choose the best of 2 evils!
Obama or McCain
trea•son
–noun
1. the offense of acting to overthrow one’s government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2. a violation of allegiance to one’s sovereign or to one’s state.
3. the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.
Please stand together Puma’s before it is too late to stand at all!
Bravo Murphy! A most excellent image. Gets to the heart of what a modern democracy is about and the quixotical aspect of equality.
First response to my Letter to the Editor. Note – He doesn’t say anything about the treatment of women. In fact, he does the same thing as the Obama Campaign is doing and the DNC. Attack the person and belittle them. Sound familiar, anyone? I may send him a PUMA flier and a flip-flop paper in the mail with a lollipop:
Title : Attitude is childish, naive
(My name)’s letter of June 21 illustrates very clearly why Democrats can never get anything accomplished. Her “I’ll take my ball and go home” attitude is both childish and naive. I understand she has concerns about Florida and Michigan, but both states were warned if they held their respective elections too early, the votes would not be counted. They chose to have the election early anyway. Now they whine about being disenfranchised. I am sorry she feels it necessary to switch parties and vote Independent. I just hope she has the integrity not to complain if John McCain wins and we suffer through four more years of Bush-as-usual. (name and city).
On another note: my son called me last night after a meeting he attended and one of the most outspoken Real Estate Agents in town was very complimentary toward my letter and my very positive past history.
So join the club, Murphy. The public speaks in all kind of ways.
Brilliant article Murphy.
I agree 150% you really got to the heart of the issue with that post.
linked at http://pumaparty.com/powerofpuma/
keep rocking PUMA’s
http://www.pumaaction.com/
Did you see Will Bower of Just Say No Deal on Fox this morning?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_IMKvt4Vjs
favourite, share and blog.
hey Murphy, is there any way I can post more than 1 link without going into the mod zone?
You know me by now that I only post the good stuff!
Yesterday I left this note on a tree that, until this week, bravely bore a Hillary sign.
Dear Friend,
I enjoyed seeing your Hillary sign every day as I walked to and from work. Now that you have removed it, there is nothing to cancel out the Obama sign next door. I am deeply saddened and will have to find another route.
Resist Cult Obama.
Visit http://www.blog.pumapac.org.
Sincerely,
A neighbor from — St.
Today is a new day.
Thank you Murphy for your time spent on research, your thoughtful photo and rock solid opening speech. Pumas are getting better every other day.
After 6/3, Puma Pac has done great for the 18 Million to continue to have a voice (was by Hillary). Whether the concerned party hear our voice or not, the voices are there.
Any successful government has to be established upon true unity, not forced one.
We are the will of most popular votes, we are the core democrats, we are the blue collar working class, and we are the deciding factor of this election…
Murphy-enjoyed the Susan B. Anthony this morning.
2 more quotes.
Cautious, careful people, always casting about to preserve their reputations… can never effect a reform.
Susan B. Anthony
Failure is impossible.
Susan B. Anthony
I received confirmation regarding flower delivery yesterday.-Ca
Has anyone seen just how much money Obama has given to Superdelegates? I can find info through Feb. that puts him over 700 grand, but I would love to know the final numbers.
I posted this last night, but I think everyone was asleep at 3 AM (Eastern Time). My daughter sent me this address so that I could read these two articles, Obama-rama and another one about a woman of the 1870s who was an early suffragette. Both are excellent reads.
http://www.thesteamboatlocal.com/article
Interesting articles on http://noquarterusa.net/blog/
Also be sure to visit the Denver Group http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/
Hillary really needs us to help pay down the debt as much as possible-even 5$ goes a long way-I am maxed out so can’t but even 1$ would help-we may not vote the way she has been asking us to -but we can still help her with the issues she feels strongly about and quite honestly I believe that by pressing for election reform and reform of the DNC we will be helping her as well-the Denver Group is collecting money for her and that would be a safe place to donate money
here is a potential talking point I just saw on another PUMA site. I hope the person who posted it won’t mind me posting it here.
without Hillary in Office I dont see how things can get better in this country which is supposed to be the best place in the world. Thats a funny thing.
Our founding Fathers warned against parties and there is absolutely no mention of parties in the Constitution.
So why do we have them now?
#22 greenfun… as of around February or March, BHO had given super-delegates around 700,000.00.
You may can find more information at “opensecrets.org”
Checking back…
Great front page Murphy. Also, there is a great article on Riverdaughter this morning. Please read it … and don’t let it happen to any of us.
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/
Again, I like the idea of making a copy of the race card graphic, writing “it’s YOUR racism, stupid”, and send it to nobama headquarters.
PumaAllie #20
done
multiple links will no longer be held.
Limit is now 5 links per post.
Here is the e-mail I just sent to Gov Rendell:
Dear Governor Rendell,
I was raised in PA and most of my family still live there. I have been a Democrat all my life, and was a strong supporter of Hillary Clinton, as I know you were.
I can not, and will not vote for Senator Obama for many reasons, none of which are because I am bitter, and unable to get over it.
I could list many reasons why I do not feel Senator Obama is the best person to represent our country, none of which have to do with race. At first, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but no more. For one thing, I could never vote for a person who calls a female reporter “sweetie”. Can you just imagine the backlash if he did this in another country?
I feel he is inexperienced, flip flops on many issues, is under the influence of the Chicago powers, and too risky a candidate. I also question his judgment.
I worry about his hearing – if he could sit in the same church for over 20 years and not hear what Rev Wright was preaching, I am concerned that he might not be able to hear the wishes of the people, his advisor’s, and foreign leaders.
I have never voted for a Republican in my entire life, but I must say I feel a lot more comfortable with Senator McCain. I have more trust in him, and feel he is a man of honor.
I can understand your position of supporting the democratic party, no matter what. Unfortunately, I can no longer do that. I feel my country is more important than my party.
I hope you can understand my position, as I try to understand yours.
XXXXXXXX
Puma democrat
Hillary Clinton:
“There is a reason for the resentment. The level of dismissal and condescending comments, not just about me, what do I care? – but the people that support me, and in particular the women who support me, has been shocking. Shocking to women and fair-minded men. But what has really been disappointing to me is how few voices that have a platform have spoken out against it. And that is really why you seen this enormous grassroots outrage…
I didn’t I was in a position to take it on b/c it would have looked like it was just about me. And I didn’t think it was just about me. So the only time we took it on was about Chelsea, which was so far beyond the bounds. I mean, what planet are we living on?…We should be saying, “Wait a minute! This is not just about her! It’s about us! And when are we going to see somebody stand up and say “What are you doing here?”
We are standing up, Pumas! And I know Hillary is happy about this!
Supreme Court Rules,
“Bitter Americans” have the right to own and bear arms.
So much for having the better judgement! LOL
************
FoxNews
Supreme Court Strikes Down D.C. Gun Ban, Upholds Individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms
Thursday, June 26, 2008
“WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Americans have a right to own guns for self-defense and hunting, the justices’ first major pronouncement on gun rights in U.S. history.
The court’s 5-4 ruling struck down the District of Columbia’s 32-year-old ban on handguns as incompatible with gun rights under the Second Amendment. The decision went further than even the Bush administration wanted, but probably leaves most firearms laws intact.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,372041,00.html
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf
tatepuma #15
No matter what Hillary says, I still respect her and support her. She really does believe in unity. I’m not upset by her remarks. When you’re in politics, one does what one does to get the work done. It’s messy and sloppy, but its better than what a lot of countries have. We do have the “freedom” to speak out even though in recent years, you risk your life and reputation. So what does the Democratic Congress do again, pass the FISA bill!!!! Each party does the same old stuff. Hillary will live her life with integrity and move forward. She’s just like us (guy and gal). We keep getting up every morning, putting the shoes on, and moving forward.
Good Morning PUMAS,
Murphy, I was wanting to know how we are doing with the memberships to PUMAPAC? I was just wondering how the membership is doing for each state.
Thanks!
Melissa
#5
Hi Latin Puma, I live in Miami, Fl and am Hispanic (cuban to be exact) I would love to help in any way possible to get the latino to PUMA and to realize the gravity in NOT voting for *61.
Murphy, if there is anything I can do on my end, please, let me know. I will do whatever you need.
Thanks!
Mimi
Miami, Florida
Setting The Record Straight
Correction
June 26, 2008
•Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., received $20,000 in campaign contributions from Countrywide Financial Corp. over the past two decades, more than any senator except Barack Obama, D-Ill., who received $22,900 in that period. A June 19 story on Page A3 incorrectly reported that Dodd had received $25,000 and was the Senate’s top recipient of Countrywide contributions during that time. The incorrect information was published on the website of the Center for Responsive Politics, which gets information from the Federal Election Commission. Both the center and the FEC corrected their figures on Wednesday. A related story is on Page A3.
http://www.courant.com/news/corrections/hc-corrections0626.artjun26,0,1328293.story
Obama Camp is trying to flip flop on gun stance…
Come on PUMAs. Let’s hold this guy accountable!
http://www.obama-wire.com
There can be no unity after what Obama and the DNC did to Hillary.
I fully understand that she has to make the call for unity because of the enormous pressure she is submitted to.
It is easy for Dean and the rest of the Obamacrats that trampled our rights and threw the very principles they claim to defend under the bus to call for unity because these people have shown they have no scruples.
Unity can only be built on a true sense of respect for the dignity and the rights of others. Respect must be proved with action not with empty words.
I have some other errands to do, so I’ll be checking back in later.
P.S. Are any of you going to Washington D.C. today? Isn’t this the day that Hillary is supposed to have her contributers meet with the “unworthy one”?
Melissa
Wayne County, WV
PUMA Democrat
The Rally tomorrow (6/26/08) at the Mayflower hotel in DC is at 4:30 pm!!
#31 LoveHillary
I haven’t seen these words before from Hillary and am happy she is addressing the issue. In fact I want her to write a book about this primary campaign and spell out just what she went through. That will make it part of the public record and help recoup the personal money they put into the campaign. We all know she stayed in the race to fight BOs gaming of the system and his arrogance. When and where did she say what’s in your post?
oops the rally is today
#35 mimi1020
I’m putting together prices/rates for local/popular newspapers to see if PUMA can place an ad in them. Do you know if there is a national Spanish newspaper that people in FL and or CA read? If you can find that out and find out the rate to run an ad, that would be be great. send info to all4mygirl at gmail.
I’m going to send what I have to MarylandPUMA in a spreadsheet tomorrow, I’m still waiting for more info from publications but I can always update as prices come in. Just want to put it out there so we can get an idea of the cost in running an ad locally in some of the swing states.
Found on Noquarter
CHECK OUT THE VIDEO PLZZZZZZZ
Honolulu-Seattle Roundtrip in 61?
Susan Blake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d7PQJdKMGM&eurl=http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/25/honolulu-seattle-roundtrip-in-61/
Barack Obama, Dunham, Seattle, birth certificate, hawaii
Here is another BIG QUESTION that came up in our examination of Barack Obama’s birth certificate.
In March 2007, the Chicago Tribune featured a story from Mercer Island, Washington that included a videotaped interview of Susan Blake, a high-school friend of Stanley Ann Dunham (known as “Ann”), Barack’s mother. Here’s the short video of Blake, as published by the Tribune and re-saved by Flineo:
QUESTIONS:
Why would Ann Dunham, at age 18, travel from Honolulu to Mercer Island (outside of Seattle) with a newborn infant for a “brief” visit?
What were the logistics of a Honolulu-Seattle round trip in 1961: how long was the flight, and how much would the trip have cost?
Were there any restrictions in 1961 about flying with newborn babies?
Did Dunham travel alone with “Barry” (the name Blake used) or was she accompanied by Barack Sr., her mother, or others?
Is it possible that Dunham actually delivered Barry someplace close to Mercer Island — either in the US or Canada — and she popped in to visit Ms. Blake on her way back to Hawaii?
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NOTE: The Chicago Tribune story linked above explains that Ann Dunham spent her high-school years on Mercer Island, where she bonded with a close-knit group of friends and teachers. She did not want to leave, but Stanley Dunham, her father, transferred the family to Honolulu shortly after Ann’s 1960 graduation from Mercer Island High. About one year later, Ann gave birth to Barry.
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My previous posts in the Birth Certificate series, in reverse chronological order:
Hawaii Vital Records, Question 1
Obama BIRTH MYSTERY, cont
Obama’s Birth Certificate BAMBOOZLE, cont.
Obama’s BIG Birth Certificate PROBLEM
Obama Birth Certificate, Fake?
248 Comments » Comment by gerard nedich | 2008-06-25 04:41:35
i’m a single parent of twins… i just watched the video above of Obama’s mother visiting her friends on mercer island…
i am shocked by her friends description… if one was traveling alone with a baby you would think that they would be able to change a diaper? kinda strange…
if she can’t change a diaper i find it hard to believe that she would embark on any sort of trip, much less long haul flight with a baby… either she was already in the area or was traveling with someone who knew how to change diapers…
With your permission, some NT scripture:
“After he had called them together, he said to them in parables: How can Satan cast out Satan? And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.” (Mk 3:24-25)
“And if Satan be risen up against himself, he is divided, and cannot stand, but hath no end. No man can enter the house of a strong man and rob him of his goods, unless he first bind the strong man, and then shall he plunder his house.” (Mk 3:26-27)
See also,
Mt 12:25
Mt 12:26
Lu 11:17
Lu 11:18
Murphy
Another on the point and timely daily piece to get us going working for our goals. You are so good at this I’d love to know your background in grassroots politicing. You lead and I will continue to follow.
mayor0102:
sorry, my intent in what I wrote was not against Hillary, I admire and respect Hillary also. She is saying what she says because she believes the democrats should be in the WH for which I agree, the irony of it all is that you just don’t place any democrat in the WH just to say that the democrats have won. A democrat that is unknown, flip flops every other day, wants to take down our nuclear weapons, receives endorsements from the worlds worst leaders, approves partial birth abortions, uses race to tear down all that MLK has put together and I could go on is not the type of democrat in my opinion that should be in the WH, I disagree on the person that has been selected and the manner in which he has been selected not the fact that a democrat should be in the WH.
Ok, was Obama born in Kenya?
Is this not a more relevant issue than anything else in this election cycle?
Thank-you, Murphy, for the great photo of a sufragist and your inspiring word. Let’s also remember that Susan B. Anthony said ‘I won’t support any party that doesn’t support me.’
#43
Hi Mini-vee, yes…Here in Miami, Fl there is a very big latin newspaper called “El Nuevo Herald” I will be more than happy to get rates for you. Do I get rates per letter or full page, 1/2 page or 1/4 page ads? please advise and I will email you asap.
Thanks!
mimi
tatepuma
I’m with you – ditto!
mayor0102:
thanks,
#16 “Zombie” I hear ya, it’s very difficult to watch (or even imagine….as I will not be able to have the TV on) Her public support of such a weak, fraudulent and questionable character!! Why don’t you write to the US Dept of Justice? It is an amazing website…I spent about an hour on the site last night reading all about Election and voter fraud and etc. Hey, it’s our tax dollars at work, we may as well take advantage of their services…right? I have many questions….so I plan to send them a snail mail and an e-mail today. You can e-mail them at: (AskDOJ@usdoj.gov) They said they will forward your e-mail to the proper department. Their USPS address is: United States Dept. of Justice, 950 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington,DC 20530-0001….Their phone # is: (202)514-2000 The phone# of the Attorney General’s Office is: (202)353-1555. They advise you to read all their “privacy practices” before sending an e-mail, which I always do anyway, just because it is smart. Have a good day Pumas all….
I just donated another $25.00 to Puma. I am getting there slowly but surely.
Some food for thought, from the Republican perspective:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,372043,00.html
An interesting and funny reminder in there on the veracity of polls… that Newsweek in 1984 was the only one to predict Mondale victory.
A good rebuttal to anyone who talks about his “lead” in the polls. Like many of you, *I* have yet to be polled LOL
It is important for us to point out as often and as much as we can that this is bigger than Hillary, than us, and it is not about needing to vent or being bitter. If the system’s broke, why should we pretend it isn’t and keep on going? When did it become a bad thing to stand up when you feel your group is going off track? That’s *reform* not disloyalty. Something Senator Obama says he’s for… reform that is!
It’s worth a look back… both at the Declaration of Independence itself, and some of the writings of the suffrage movement, and the history of it. It’s a graphic reminder for all who seem to forget how ugly the fight was (and is) and seek to belittle it.
One of note — the Declaration of Sentiments.
A couple of excerpts below. I think it’s a wonderful thing to reflect upon as we ourselves move forward and face what we will.
“When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one portion of the family of man to assume among the people of the earth a position different from that which they have hitherto occupied, but one to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes that impel them to such a course.
We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men and women are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of those who suffer from it to refuse allegiance to it, and to insist upon the institution of a new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and, accordingly, all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they were accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their duty to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of the women under this government, and such is now the necessity which constrains them to demand the equal station to which they are entitled.
The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.”
“In entering upon the great work before us, we anticipate no small amount of misconception, misrepresentation, and ridicule; but we shall use every instrumentality within our power to effect our object. We shall employ agents, circulate tracts, petition the State and national Legislatures, and endeavor to enlist the pulpit and the press in our behalf.
#15 tatepuma on 06.26.08 at 11:02 am, WROTE,
[[ When you compare the two individuals , JMC is a shining light compared to the flip flopper. My vote for JM is not a protest vote, I never planned to vote for “O” if Hillary was not nominated, wish folks would stop using the words” protest vote” I will vote for JM because I see him as the better candidate to run this nation. ]]
At the very beginning of this campaign my choice was a toss up between Rudy Guiliani and Hillary Clinton. Maybe I am biased having moved to NJ from NY, but those were my choices. But ever since all the other dems dropped out, my choice has been Hillary. So for me, switching over to McCain is a challenge… Still, when I compare the individual characters between McCain and BHO, my choice is clear. For me, it’s a matter of PATRIOTISM and judgement especially with regard to BHO’s associations.
I want a “mainstream” president… not some radical black libertarian. I want a man, or woman who best represents all of us and not just one fraction.
Kathleen M
#16 Remember Hillary has to do some things and we just do not like them. We must stand behind her and understand what is going on. If she actually came out right now and said she would not support Obama her career along with Bill’s would be ruined forever. THis is politics and JUST REMEMBER Hillary is a smart woman and knows how to play the game. So keep her shirts and pins and lets continue to back her and get her into the White House.
Does anyone know if Murphy’s email address is down or something? I tried sending her an email to her murphy@pumapac.com address.
Thanks!
Another article for our BHO archives
http://www.newsmax.com/morris/barack_obama/2008/06/25/107215.html
marie#44
she just might have been a little nut¡¡¡
the birth certificate is something that is very straight
there are “home born” regular birth certificate
and the american born abroad b.c.
and they are very clear
when I graduated from H.S.
one of my best friends was a girl that was # 2 in the SAT
she was accepted into the best uni. & colleges, without applying, given scholarships, etc
and guess what she did ??
she went to a small college in BOCA RATON, FLA, and bY THANKSGIVEN she was pregnant, she was a single mother, her parents had to help her raise the kid, then after that she got serious with the academic matters and she did very well
obamawire.. it’s .org
thanks Taffy
Wow, Will Bower was right on….thank you for posting the video!
Hey Pumas, I was a spiteful person this morning…
I catch the bus to work to save on gas and energy. Every morning there is a Humvee parked right in front of the BUS STOP sign. Today I noticed a nobama sticker inside the vehicle. I always carry PUMA flyers with me to hand out or post, so I put one of the fliers on the windshield.
I wish I could’ve seen his/her face.
On women’s sufferage… What I found amazing in this contest was the fact that a great many young women, take so much of our history for granted. They do not know how much we went through to get to where we are today.
I was born in ’46 and I can tell you that growing up as the last remnant of the baby boom generation, I still felt the pangs of discrimination against women. Young women today take for granted that if they work, their husband’s should help them around the house—nay they actually demand or expect it. Little do they know that this is a new phenomenon. Little do they know that women are still discrimiated against… in jobs, in pay, in respectability. And yes, there are still many men who treat women as their possession rather than an equal partner. Just look at the statistics on rape of abuse against women, and you will understand.
Hillary gave us hope…
And THAT hope drives us still.
Say No to OBAMINATION!
-but-
Say yes to a Hillary victory!
From another site, but think You would go along with it
whatever HILLARY is doing now is because in order to stay in the party “she has to do it” “she is forced to”
I do not feel sorry for her
she has choises
she could become indepent
she could speak out against what is going on in the undemocratic party, etc
NOTICE: Extremely Important Program Below!!!
THANK YOU CARD CAMPAIGN!!!
SEND YOUR THANK YOU CARD TO HILLARY TODAY! LET HER KNOW SHE IS NOT FORGOTTEN BY US!
ON THE ENVELOPE WRITE “I AM ONE OF 18 MILLION”
We are trying to make a statement through the “thank you card” campaign while giving Hillary our heart felt thanks!
Here is the address:
THE HONORABLE HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON
UNITED STATES SENATE
476 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING
WASHINGTON, DC 20510-3203
FLOOD ‘EM!
Anyone here ever hear about Lady Gudiver (sp) or women burning their bras as a protest. ~smile.
Thanks, mimi. All three if you can get that info. The ad, I’m guessing, is bl&w. Also, ask about circulation or readership of the paper. Does this paper run in CA too? Thanks for helping out!
#16 I would never approach Hillary in that fashion, with that question. She is doing what she has to do right now. There are things she is doing that I am sure in her heart cant bear, but…she has a plan. Do not call her out like that. It is not over….she has had our backs all along..and still does…we have got to step up and talk to all the super dels and send letters and faxes and call those who are still standing. We need to thank the good guys. I do not believe calling her out like that will accomplish anything, except making us look bad in her eyes and to the rest of the country. We are going to the convention. we need to pay her debt and work smart. One wrong comment to the wrong media can bring on very negative publicity. we are above that.
Murphy, is that Bonnie in the picture on last night’s thread “She’s not taking any of your baloney tonight”?
I love that picture! A sassy girl!
On today’s Unity comments from you…outstanding! Truly. be back later. got to modify a lease
“69 cosmeta on 06.26.08 at 12:19 pm Anyone here ever hear about Lady Gudiver (sp) or women burning their bras as a protest. ~smile.”
Been there, done that. LOL
Latinpuma,
I made an attempt at making a Spanish flyer. Someone on this site translated it. If you want to look at it and see if it is appropriate, email me at gina613ca@comcast.net
#5 LatinPuma on 06.26.08 at 10:54 am
(Repost from 1:30 am) Please read…
I live in the los angeles area. I will vote for Mccain. I have spoken to a few hispanic voters and they will not be supporting BO. If I could get fliers I would be happy to pass them out in hispanic areas and at their church on their cars on sunday. Please let me know.
I am glad to see Nadar speak his mind; this is still a free country isn’t it? The media will demonize him, though, and twist what he said to make him out to be a racist.
Regarding Hillary and Bill, I feel sorry for them. While she was running the media treated her like a second class citizen (or worse); as for Bill they twisted every thing he said, and showed him NO respect. Now the great Nobama, the DNC, and the media want their support. To me it feels like a rape! I wish Hillary could tell them, “up yours!”
Spin Doctors and the Picking of a President
Here’s how the media did it for Obama
http://www.lynettelong.com/my_weblog/2008/06/spin-doctors-an.html
#67 She can’t become Independent. She can’t speak out. This is politics and either stand behind Hillary or don’t. But for most of us we completely understand what is happening now and we will continue to support her. This is not easy for any of us and a very difficult time for her. So let’s stay united for her. We chose her as our candidate for a reason..in fact millions of reasons so let’s continue on our positive path and not spend any time on the negative.
This is a really good video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZxDHIhE0O0&feature=email
One of the main reasons I won’t ever support Barry despite the fact that he’s a Democrat and I am more aligned with Democratic ideals than Republican is the fact that he and his supporters didn’t only attack Sen and Pres. Clinton, but they attacked us, her supporters.
I have never in 30 years of voting, had a candidate berate, intimidate and insult me for my vote. I wish more people would mention this…that it isn’t just about how horribly Sen. Clinton has been treated, although that’s been horrible, but it requires a person to cast aside his-her integrity to vote for a campaign that has been calling you a ugly, old, c*nt, b*tch, whore, that should just die. It’s the n a az i strategy of creating an in-group and an out-group and trying to humilate the out-group so they join you in shame and a willingness to subvert their identities. Sorry, this is facism and I won’t be a party to it.
Understand Hillary, she always asks one to hold her accountable, she will do what she said. She cannot and should not be emotional. She has to do what she has to do. She will leave the door open for future.
Another Wow…#30 “middle age female” Fantastic letter! My feelings exactly. There are some amazing writers in this group, such talent!! Let’s all take our big paws and pat ourselves on the back!
Murphy, I too just love the suffrage photo and your post at the top…thanks again for all your dedication and good deeds!!
#16 That would be really bad to speak to Hillary like that. She has her back to the wall and she has been under a tremendous amount of stress. Just think about what she’s been through, don’t know how she keeps getting up day after day. Notice Bill has left the country to cool off. I have no doubt that when he gets behind closed doors with #61, he will be wagging his finger at him. I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near there. Hope Hillary is smiling now that she’s receiving the flowers!
I got an e-mail from the DNC stating there were over 3000 events in all 50 states. I put in my zip and really didn’t think I would find much; however, there are a lot of events within 7-55 miles but most are are in private homes. No way would I be able to go to any of these, I would be sick. Demonstrating in the street is one thing, going to these kool aid drinkers’ homes would be like going to one of O’s caucuses. Also, Arab names and even a Sultan. Geez, can’t believe this. Wonder what the Repubs are doing in this area, they need to get moving. Also, #61′s thugs going into jails to register non-felons shows his desperation in trying to get more and more votes. Hope we have enough to counteract all these loonies.
Greetings PUMAS,
I just saw Rendell on Fox this morning. He was saying some drivel about being a “hound” that hunts PUMAS..blah blah..we need to get over it. SSDD IMO
I believe the issue is bigger than either one of the candidates. We all know what the heart of the matter is and I feel appearances like that just confirm our resolve to continue with that which we know is right.
Nothing Hillary might say will change my mind. I love and support her totally however I cannot and will not support 61. I’m not angry as much as I am committed.
Committed to having peoples voices heard, committed to fair and ethical treatment of all candidates and committed to a FREE press and media.
I will vote McCain because I feel he is more qualified. I’m not holding my nose and am feeling comfortable with it.
Kudos to my husband who said to the DNC re leaving the party: Freedom of choice-free from the influence or control of others!
Thanks to all PUMAS for your continued dilligence in this and a BIG THANK YOU MURPHY for all you do and all you will continue to do.
Blessings and have a grrrrrrrrrreat day
It was a little unusual for a new mom to be traveling with a newborn baby 3 weeks after delivery in the 1960s. I had my children in 1964 and 65 and you stayed in the hospital for about 5 days after delivery if there were no complications (longer if there were complications). I was not in any shape to travel 3 weeks after giving birth. If her parents were already living in Hawaii then she wasn’t traveling to give them a look at the new baby. Sounds like she had the baby somewhere other than Hawaii and was traveling back home with it. It was not unusual to send a young girl away from home to have an inconvenient baby in the ’60s. But, if she was going to keep the baby, why send her away? His grandmother and the campaign could clear all of this up, but they choose not to. On the other hand why would the party allow a candidate who is not a legit US citizen?
#16 zombiefortruth on 06.26.08 at 11:05 am
[[ This is a matter of the USA’s election system being lost forever. I have watched as the election process has been corrupt in “at least” the last 2 GE’s for President in 2000 and 2004. ]]
I can understand you anger and frustration because I share it…. But I have to inform you that our Constitution does not mention Conventions or Primaries. So in a way, non of us is required by law to participate in them. Also, as registered Democrates each one of you are required to obey the rules and bylaws or the DNC.
I however do not because I am not a registered Democrat… So my anger and my frustration is grounded on PRINCIPLE. A principle of fair play and that for every person we should have one vote by way of our long standing primary tradition.
- Pledged delegates should go the way of how their voters voted and cast their convention vote for that person.
- SuperDelegates should vote the person most qualified and most electible and yes, by way of the popular vote and the electorial map. And yes, they should vote their conscience, but said conscience should never be based upon which candidate has collected the most money or promised them the biggest favors because that is political blackmail, a thing to be outlawed. If they do, that is not conscience speaking but greed and is unethical and immoral.
#71 prplvette85…I agree with you about # 16, Zombiefortruth. We need to do out work for Hillary outside of dierectly confronting her. She is in a very precarious position right now. I have said before that I think from her messages to us on her website and that she is talking in code. We need to continue to support her and even after the convention. By then hopefully she wil be our nominee!!!!
Someone sent me this video…interesting and disturbing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSemkPChvHo
Some Americans have translated it and have confirmed what he says in the video. Others have commented on the video on youtube and confirm the translation.
I don’t know if it’s fact, but wanted to pass it along.
#58….I think it is: (murphy@pumapac.org) not com….good luck. I have to go now, but I bet I’ll be back after supper…I’m getting hooked on reading here and all this posting stuff….Go Pumas!
Hi Guys,
Just sent my thank you card to HRC. On the envelope I put “I am one of 18 Million” “thanks Hillary, we’ll take if from here….PUMA”
Rise Hillary Rise……….
BigCatLover, I got that from this week’s New York Magazine, page 89. It is the issue with the beautiful picture of her on the cover. It’s a good read. Called “Hillary Clinton: Superstar”.
#91 LoveHillary
Yes, I saw the gorgeous picture on the cover. Thanks for giving me the source, now I will look for the article to read.
#85 BigCatLover
why would the party allow a candidate who is not a legit US citizen?
If it were any other candidate, i wouldn’t even think twice about this issue. The fact that it’s BO, makes me think otherwise. There are so many fakes out there. CEOs of big companies who lie and say they are Ivy League grads or work with so and so, and then, it comes out and their resume are a work of fiction. I find it so incredibly odd that the bc that was posted on his site is a fake…there’s no doubt in my mind that it’s fabricated. That thing was photoshop’ed.
http://www.senate.gov/~clinton/contact/
Many ways to contact Senator Clinton on this page. There are fax numbers and a blurb about that being the best way to contact her right now. Contact her and tell her the PUMAS have her back but we can not unite for BO. We want her! We are still fighting for her!
#88 I posted the video here a couple of days ago, got it from hcsfjm.com. I beleive the translation. I wonder if Hannity has it. I think I’ll send it to him.
Before they (the DNC) asks us to unify, we need to define what we are unifying about. The party has shown its true self in this election, and the vision is not pretty. The party of Civil Rights, Voter rights, and Women’s equality has shown itself to be a fraud. In an effort to put a party puppet into the White House, they manipulated, disenfranchised and allowed under the table, behind closed doors, double dealing.
As time goes on, this deceptive and ill advised bunch of ati-democratic officials have destroyed our party. Asking us to unify around this mess is an insult. As long as we didn’t know what was going on, we had some ability to dismiss it. Now we have seen, in the bright light of day, the mess the party is really in.
As Americans and as Democrats, we MUST reform our party to a one person-one vote organization. The current primary system does not feature that as a center piece. We must understand that the will of the voter is paramount. We must be done with caucuses and super delegates. We must scrap this ineffective, unfair, and expensive primary system for somethiing better.
Now that is a concept that I can unify around.
#87 zephyr said:
“I have said before that I think from her messages to us on her website and that she is talking in code.”
When I first heard the notion that Hillary is “talking in code”, I thought whoever said this was getting a little carried away by all the crazy stuff that has gone on in this election. BUT — after watching the videotaped message that Hillary sent to her supporters the other day, I’ve got to agree that she is definitely asking us to “read between the lines”.
Hillary has said in her “suspension” speech and in her personal video message that we haven’t yet shattered that “highest and hardest glass ceiling”, but “next time” it will be easier. “NEXT TIME”?? Is she talking about herself running again, or some other woman? I doubt she’s asking us to wait until someone else comes along.
If any of you are frustrated at her “support” of Obama, please DON’T BLAME HILLARY for the *disaster* that is about to happen. She gave it her ALL. She has to put on a show of “party unity” if she ever wants to run again. Also, she is still a sitting Democratic senator (from my proud home state of NY), and she can’t burn her bridges while she’s still in office!!
So, let’s not forget that we are here because we still support her, we still have her back, and we are LOYAL –not Judases. She knows what she’s doing, and she has asked us to hang on with her until “NEXT TIME”.
Stay strong for HRC, PUMAs.
NYCgirl
LatinPuma #5 and Mimi 1020 #35, I am a Hispanic in Texas and would like to help with the Hispanic project.
Let’s get together and see what we can do to spread the word more. We need to ALL stand together as women for the cause. If someone can point me to some data or help me gather it. I can do whatever analysis you need.
#93 mini vee
Like I said, it’s odd that the campaign doesn’t clear this up, but the party knows how good the Republicans are at digging up the dirt, and this would be a whopper against BO. I follow it out of interest, but I don’t hold much hope it will lead to anything.
Still a lot of controversy about #61′s birth certificate:
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12939.htm
Also, update on Larry Sinclair:
http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/
#30 Middle age female, great letter! Hope you don’t mind if I borrow it and change the state from PA. to Ohio. I will then send it to Gov. Strickland. I believe we have to let our Governors who support B.H.O. know how we feel and the fact that they also will be coming up for re-election.
Maybe we should email Hillary and just write
IF NOT NOW-HILLARY 2012. Thank you Senator. We’ll take it from here.
PUMAPAC MEMEBER
Sunny PA #64 — Nice job!
Good lord, we have so many people taking the bus to work bc of gas prices and everything else and we have a Democratic party trying to nominate a fully empty suit who will most likely lose the GE and if he doesnt he will be utterly unprepared to get our economy and country back on track.
Bill Nelson-Senator from Florida will be submitting legislation to reform the election process-
Senator proposes to end Electoral College
June 6, 2008
WASHINGON, D.C. – A U.S. senator from a state known for election snafus today filed a package of reforms to change national voting procedures, including proposals to abolish the Electoral College in favor of direct popular election of the president and to allow voters, not party bosses, to select presidential candidates.
The legislation, by Florida Democrat Bill Nelson, comes at the end of a long primary season in which major rules disputes threatened to exclude Florida and Michigan from having a say in the selection of a Democratic presidential nominee. It could be the opening bid in the first significant attempt in Congress to overhaul the core of the presidential election and primary systems since then-Indiana Sen. Birch Bayh narrowly lost two separate tries to abolish the Electoral College in 1970 and 1979.
Nelson said it’s time for Congress to reconsider such a direct election plan, noting that just eight years ago a president was elected with only a minority of the popular vote. He also cited Florida and Michigan’s brush this year with having their primary results dismissed in a dispute with political party officials over election dates.
“It’s time for Congress to really give Americans the power of one-person, one-vote, instead of the political machinery selecting candidates and electing our president,” said Nelson, an outspoken advocate of election reform since suing his party last year over its initial refusal to count Florida’s 2008 Democratic presidential primary.
A centerpiece of Nelson’s three-part initiative is the proposed constitutional amendment to abolish the 18th-century Electoral College, plus the establishment of regional primaries and other reforms. His principal argument for getting rid of the Electoral College is the system permits a candidate with fewer votes nationally to win the presidency by capturing narrow victories in big states.
In 2000, George W. Bush actually lost the nationwide popular election to Al Gore by nearly 544,000 votes, yet won the presidency in a Supreme Court showdown over Florida’s Electoral College votes that hinged on far fewer disputed state ballots.
The second part of Nelson’s initiative, which he previously filed with Michigan Democrat Carl Levin, gives voters more say than political party bosses in picking the presidential candidates. It does so by establishing six rotating, interregional primaries beginning in March and ending in June every four years. It pairs large and small states into six different regions; and, the states in each region take turns going first — removing exclusive power from the nation’s first primary and caucus states, New Hampshire and South Carolina, and Iowa and Nevada, respectively. U.S. Rep Sander Levin has been a champion of a companion regional-primary measure the House.
Under the third part of Nelson’s broader election plan, all voters would get to vote early and could cast absentee ballots on demand – something a number of states already allow. Also, all voting machines would have to produce a paper trail, and states that develop mail-in balloting would be eligible for federal grants.
The package is drawing positive reaction from several voting rights groups that seek to make election reform a national priority, among them, WhyTuesday?, which opposes inconvenient voting on Tuesdays.
“We applaud Sen. Nelson for taking a bold step, which not many have in Washington: acknowledging that our voting system is broken,” said Norman Ornstein, a leading constitutional scholar and board member of the nonprofit group. “Given that American voter participation ranks near the bottom of all countries, we encourage other members of Congress to join in an open and honest debate about making voting as accessible, reliable, and secure as possible.”
Various voters’ rights groups were consulted on the legislation – called the One Person, One Vote Initiative – including WhyTuesday and the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization formed at the request of President John F. Kennedy.
The next step in the process, Nelson said, is to gain support from enough lawmakers, while also pushing hard for congressional hearings.
#88 N.Lee, I think I recently read that the video is fake. I didn’t read it on a pro-bambi site (I don’t go to those) but I’m sorry I forgot which site it was. It was linked from another blog. I’ll try to retrace to see.
LoveHillary #31 — that is an amazing quote — can you give us the source? I’d like to look it up.
The RNC Research Dept. has done a really good job of exposing Obama’s dubious allies from the housing industry.
http://www.gop.com/news/NewsRead.aspx?Guid=085d5faa-ec75-4c4c-8836-c804b2b68006
Re: Banning Reporters (Lynn Sweet, Chicago Sun Times)
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/
June 26, 2008
Reporters banned from Obama-Clinton meeting with Clinton backers on Thursday.
“WASHINGTON—Reporters are banned from covering the meeting presumptive Democratic nominee Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) are having Thursday night at the Mayflower Hotel here with Clinton’s best fund-raisers. It is their first joint appearance since Obama clinched the nomination.”
“This event has everything to do with big money in politics yet the Obama campaign does not see any reason to at least include a pool reporter.”
“I pushed to have this event opened up on Wednesday, when I asked Obama campaign manager David Plouffe if he would allow in at least a pooler.”
Anything new from crazy Rev Manning?
Hi Everyone,
I received confirmation that my flowers were delivered! I’m so excited. That’s Missouri and Vermont now!
Just wanted to let you know. I will be in and out because I’m getting ready to go to the lake for a long weekend so I haven’t forgotten you guys, just busy in the next few days.
Thanks everyone for making the flowers happen and rermember to thank the special friend who donated $300.00. That was really generous.
murphy
I already asked her for the source and she said it is in the New Yorker magazine with the gorgeous cover photo of HRC.
Beverl leslie #75 — We have SPANISH language flyers at our ACTION CENTER.
Just click on the link and download and print the Spanish one from the Flyers folder. Here’s the link.
http://pumapacusa.org/
Folks, our ACTION CENTER is Awesome — it is full of everything you need — from flyers, to letters, to links, to the Daily Growl. Check it daily.
Who’s Who: In meetings with Obama
WEDNESDAY OBAMA PRIVATE MEETING IN CHICAGO WITH BUSINESS LEADERS.
(guess it’s hard to find current female CEO’s.)
1. James Bell, CFO of Boeing, aerospace, IL
2. Jamie Dimon, CEO of JP Morgan Chase, financial services, NY
3. Ann Fudge, former CEO of Young & Rubicam, public relations, IL
4. Mark Gallogly, Centerbridge Partners, NY
5. Alan Mulally, CEO of Ford, auto manufacturer, MI
6. Jim Rogers, CEO of Duke Energy, energy/alternative, NC
7. Ronald Williams, CEO of Aetna, healthcare, CT
8. Brian L. Roberts, President and CEO of Comcast Corporation, PA
9. Robert Glaser, CEO of Real Networks, CA
Continue reading “Who’s Who: In meetings with Obama” »
Posted by Lynn Sweet at 06:33 AM | Permalink | Comments (0)
Hello everyone,
Was out for a few days, taking care of my baby niece(phew!).
I haven’t read up all posts yet…was hoping someone knows the status of ARLEN SPECTOR contact, & whether he will push for a hearing…? Or at least go on MSM to bring the question to light, whether or not he actually will push for the hearing or not. Someone like him in the MSM would be a major talking point & a reason to pause & reconsider what the DNC is trying to do this election!
Also, is there some way to file a LEGAL INJUNCTION against the DNC, for bypassing the Roll Call vote at Convention??? It could be filed either/all on behalf of voters, MI/FL, or delegates who support HRC…? I think there have been instances where an Injunction (Restraining Order…? Sth like this;) There have definitely been cases where the legal system affected voting rights were put in play (not least of which is 2000 election, or BO’s Senate race, & Republican elections…?)
I am not interested in the HSFJM’s idea of filing a suit based on BO’s citizenship…I do not feel this is the constructive way….for personal & political reasons:S
HOWEVER, an INJUNCTION against the DNC to hold the Convention, or to prevent suppression of a state ROLL CALL, would be sth that we could set in place as a ‘safety net’ of sorts while we work on all our other action plans…:) I would definitely breathe easier knowing we had the right of law on our side against the bulldozing DNC in August!
I know legal stuff takes time but maybe someone knows someone who can expedite…? Or maybe even a big name supporter/donor, or perhpas SPECTOR;) could file it, either as Judicial Cong Cmte member, or on our behalf (‘the people’)…?
I really really really really hope this type of legal recourse can be found for us, the sooner the better! I will research it online to best of ability but I am not a lawyer by training!
Does anyone have any ideas on Injuction or other Legal restrictions…? Much appreciated!
PUMA Power!:-D
#43 minivee
I sent a email to murphy last week about checking out local papers/community papers in my state for $’s – I never heard back. I need to know what kind of an ad we want to place so I can get some pricing.
I also had the info on the wrist bracelets too.
Know everyone is busy but I could not get any more info until I have info.
If you have any suggestions or guidelines on the type of ads I will try and contact in my state and give you the info.
Do not know if you are still on here…sometimes there are soooo many posts I do not have the time or in my case energy to go thru all.
Thank You
#58 obamawire
“Does anyone know if Murphy’s email address is down or something? I tried sending her an email to her murphy@pumapac.com address”
murphy@pumapac.ORG
Re: the quote in post #31 LoveHillary:
It is from this New York Magazine story from Jun. 15, 2008
The Fall and Rise of Hillary Clinton
http://nymag.com/news/politics/47837/
I have posted this link before in previous threads.
NYCgirl
Gov Randell says Bill Clinton should get over it… My post was up on CNN.com today – I was surprised that it is still up there.. I forgot to put PUMA in the end…
Christine – California June 26th, 2008 12:23 pm ET
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Spouses according to his Highness Obama is off limits… remember he said”Lay off ….. ?” Isn’t Bill Clinton just a spouse of the Primary nominee for all intents and purposes > Why is it now so important for Bill Clinton to be part of Obama’s Democratic party – note I say Obama’s Democratic Party.
Gov. Rendall showed his integrity by standing by Hillary but where is it stated that everyone is obligated to stand behind someone you DO NOT BELIEVE IN ? Can we be true to ourself ? Can we be true to ourself without being negative – that is what Bill is doing… He does not want to sling any bad remarks and needs time. People need to back off – Obama can do well enough on his own, Can’t he ?? I mean he has Oprah and enough Kool Aid drinking heavy weights, why does he now need Bill Clinton ?? Can’t Obama do it on his own merits ????
#96 They need to understand that there will not and can not be unity without reform.
It is also fair to point out that not all of Hillary’s supporters were registered Democrats planning to vote for the party line no matter what. I’m independent myself, and for a reason, and vote for whichever candidate is the best for the job, regardless of party. That can go either way. If you’d polled me (ha ha) last year, I would have given you the same answer as I have now… that I rank the candidates 1,2,3 with BO third. I was always planning to vote for McCain if BO got the nomination even if it had been a fair fight. I don’t think he is qualified to do the job, period. So for me the bitterness/protest angle would only serve to strengthen a resolve that already existed. Bottom line is I vote based on facts, not spite. I take my vote very seriously and made an intelligent and informed decision as to how I rank the candidates. I’m tired of being told otherwise.
What really rankles me is the insinuation that my resolve to vote for McCain over BO could not be based in logic or reason … that it “must” be out of spite.
I can’t stand the supposition that BO would have to be better “because he’s a democrat”. Ummm…. why? Why is it that you should be coerced to vote for someone who says (underscore says) they stand for the same things as you do. And scared away from voting for someone who may disagree on some issues, but in fact has a reputation for disagreeing with his own “kind” as well. Who has a track record of working with “opponents”. Compared to BO, I can live with that!
HOUND huh? Helping Ob*** Understand No Deal ?
Or Helping OB*** Understand NO’s Definition?
Sorry for the rambling…
I think we need to make the case as strongly as we can for the Democratic Party needing reform. This is a huge part of what it’s about. Hillary losing is the symptom so to speak, of the disease. Got to fix the cause of it.
#112
Would love to read the action center’s PDF files, but my computer is not reading them at the moment. Sometime I will have to figure out the problem. Would loved to had printed some of those great flyers. Since I can’t read the Daily Growl because of the PDF files, I just sort of pick up what you are all doing on the blogs. So, I am here, behind the scenes, writing, blogging and doing what I can for Puma Pac.
Thanks BCL!
I stopped reading my beloved New Yorker when Heindrick Hertzberg od’ed on koolaid, so I missed that. What a great quote for us.
Did the Dems check out Obama before letting him onto their ballots?
#121 Murphy
Murphy, the quote is from NEW YORK MAGAZINE, not New Yorker.
Here’s the link again to the article:
http://nymag.com/news/politics/47837/
NYCgirl
I agree that challenging citizenship is likely to be futile and could backfire. It does come across as mean, I’m sure he can spin it to his advantage any number of ways and end up getting good PR out of it. I don’t doubt he’d start campaigning (perhaps with Gov. Arnold LOL) to amend the constitution so he can stay. I think we have to be careful about things he can take advantage of and use to make himself even more a martyr figure. This would totally let him play the victim.
OOps — it is New York mag, not the new yorker
thats what i get for trying to speed read!
still not reading the new yorker tho
This is what it comes down to.. acceptance of wrong? Obama was not born in the United States, but he can run for President? What else are you willing to accept to further your party’s goals?
Your house isn’t divided, it’s blind. I see I still have a long ways to go if I am going to open everyone’s eye to the FACT that country matters more than party.
Signs of trouble at the Obamabank?
Democrat Steps Up Push for Big Donors
Sen. Obama has said his army of 1.7 million small donors is the essence of what public financing strives to accomplish and is why he opted out of the “broken” system.
But his small-donor network is showing signs of fatigue. Federal campaign records show that Sen. Obama’s monthly cash take has been falling steadily since hitting a record $55.4 million in February. In March, he raised $41.3 million. The total fell to $30.7 million in April and $21.9 million in May, roughly on par with Sen. McCain’s performance.
Wednesday, eight government watchdog groups asked both candidates to voluntarily reveal more information about their donors. There was no response from either campaign.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121443844647405409.html?mod=sp_deals
I agree Kempion and I think most of us do, Country before party!!!!!!
Hi,
I think I recall some court actions taken by RON PAUL (he & his supporters have been pursuing legality of caucus votes, name on ballot, convention rights, etc) for a loooooong time; their sites have a lot of info already, altho some is geared toward the GOP party Rules & bylaws;)
I will research it, but I recall something ab either Paul or Bar or other Independetns who have sued/filed injunctions against their state local or general election ballots removing their names or not printing them in the first place.
Anyone who’s more expert in these matters have any suggestions…?
Thanks to all!
Be sure to take your blood pressure pills if you read the New York magazine piece linked to in #117. It is 7 pages long of the usual condescending media bs about the campaign and how HRC was beaten (no mention of fraud) and the usual drivel about she and Bill’s egos and paranoia. Will they ever stop writing this nonsense.
# 100 ladyhawkke, and Murphy, the story on BO birth certificate states the following:
But until the certified paper birth document is produced — either by media pressure or a legal challenge in any state — the fact remains that Obama has not proven that he is a “natural born citizen” eligible to be President according to the Constitution.
Now, how do we get a state any state to challenge the validity of BO’s certificate? Any lawyers online? How do we as Americans challenge his phony birth record and get a copy of the true document. I too believe that BO’s certificate states he is either Muslim or Arab, that is why he doesnt want anyone to see it, that and the fact that it would end his political career. How do we do this, do we have a right as American citizens to demand he produce the original copy? LAWYERS HELP WE NEED YOU!!!
MAYOR0102
Have you got your PUMA Pac t-shirt yet? I haven’t got mine yet. Hopefully, I will get it by Saturday.
I’ve never been a fan of Rove, but he didn’t get where he is by being a dummy! Good op piece on OB.
It’s All About Obama
By KARL ROVE
June 26, 2008
Many candidates have measured the Oval Office drapes prematurely. But Barack Obama is the first to redesign the presidential seal before the election.
His seal featured an eagle emblazoned with his logo, and included a Latin version of his campaign slogan. This was an attempt by Sen. Obama to make himself appear more presidential. But most people saw in the seal something else – chutzpah – and he’s stopped using it. Such arrogance – even self-centeredness – have featured often in the Obama campaign
Read More….
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121443823260805375.html?mod=fpa_editors_picks
antifish.
wonderful citation. network marketing can only take an empty suit so far.
Fundraising down 50% in 3 months. wow.
murphy
Sorry about the mixup with New York and New Yorker – didn’t know there was a difference. Not at all happy with the piece in the New York magazine, but glad Hillary has spoken out about the media garbage about her and the Clintons.
#88. thanks Imustprotest….I just received it today…but it certainly gives me an idea for a new video.
#15 tatepuma – I am probably one of those you referred to as saying my vote for McCain in November is a “protest vote.” I have said that. It should be considered a positive vote–not a negative. He’s a good guy, and I will vote for him in honor of my late military father who trained young soldiers to fight in Vietnam. I will vote for him because of the good things he wants to do. He will make changes in America–American will make him do this. So, I take your comments seriously and will ammend.
Hillary has my heart, and she fought the good fight. She has to play the game to stay where she can affect the most good for her committees and projects for America. It’s political suicide otherwise. Her comments that anyone who votes for her doesn’t have much in common with the Republicans is the party talk. And that’s unfortunate, because the party needs a-fixin’
I feel so liberated now that I don’t have to be justify any party affiliation–it’s country, values, and our global mission first, and seek the right person to lead us, second.
#31 LoveHillary – I also have not seen those words attributed to Hillary. They are strong and powerful, and I think she is shouting to all of us–women and men–to “take it from here,” because she can’t make it all about her. The media already had so much they were feasting on–had she done that–it would have been perceived as typical woman-whining, which we all know it’s not.
#86 – I’m angry on principle too. Something went very wrong in our Democratic primaries at a time in our lives when there are too many watchdogs to have let that happen (the debacle of the Texas caucuses comes to mind). Heck–Jimmy Carter goes to Africa to oversee voter fraud, when it’s right here in the USA. There should have been an immediate outcry and a do-over. Same with the votes in Michigan and Florida, when those millions of voters cried “FOUL.”
When I hear about all of BHO’s ground troopers scouring up all the voters they can find–I see that it is really not about principles. It’s about power.
Hi all, although unscientific
, my poll estimates are 25-30% of HRC supporters will vote along DNC lines(*61), the rest will either stay home or vote McCain/other.
I can’t imagine blue-collar men will go for an unpatriotic candidate. And men DON’T blog as much, so you can’t see their numbers here, but they DO drive though. In November they will drive their whole family to the polling stations to vote for the war hero over a phoney.
Isn’t this the TRUTH!
Thanks #133 antifish on 06.26.08 at 1:44 pm
for the article on Obama’s arrogance.
Taking a lunch break here, but had to check what is happening with the PUMAS (family!).
I am voting for anyone except BO.
Maryland Puma
Just got the Daily Growl – went to web site to get ticket for shuttle in Unity NH. Site has posting that tickets are no longer available.
Honestly, isn’t it important to get to the bottom of the place of origin of BHO’s birth to see if he can even LEGALLY run for the presidency???
I applaud PUMA for taking steps in the right direction; however, there is a long way to go after hillary wins the DNC nomination.
The parties must be made to return the power of goverment to the people. I can only beat on my drum so loudly for long.
Most of you feared the creation of the DHS (and the loss of our 4th and 5th Amendments). Surely, many of you see the blatant attack of our 15th Amendment by the DNC in Florida and Michigan or else you woldn’t be here now. What will happen next? Our First Amendent?
Think. That’s all I’m asking.
The New York magazine article and comments show once again that in today’s america, it’s all about winning, not about how you run the race. Thank goodness for the people on pumapac who do care about ideals, ethics and fairness. The pendulum will swing back someday to a more idealistic time and we can help it happen.
Re: Rove on Obama’s Arrogance
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121443823260805375.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries
“Mr. Obama has now also played the race card, twice suggesting in recent weeks that Republicans will draw attention to the fact that he’s black. Who is unaware of that? Americans overwhelmingly find it a hopeful, optimistic sign that the country could elect an African-American president. But they rightly want to know what kind of leader he might be. They may well reject as cynical any maneuver to discourage close examination of him by suggesting any criticism is racially motivated.”
“The candidate’s self-centeredness has been on display before. Having effectively sewed up the Democratic nomination, he could have agreed to seat the Florida and Michigan delegations (states Hillary Clinton had carried). While reducing his lead by 50 to 55 delegates, it would not have altered the outcome. But Mr. Obama supported cutting these battleground-state delegations in half. At a time when magnanimity was called for, the candidate decided he’d strut.”
Received confirmation MA flowers delivered today to HRC.
#104 mpk, Why don’t we start some-kind of online petition for Senator Nelson to show our support for finally doing away with the electoral college? HE needs to know that their are millions of Americans that indeed want reforms in voting.
What do you think, we could start one at Care2 petition site.
Murphy, anyone, what are your opinions? I might also suggest that we email Senator Nelson and also show our support that way, hang on I’ll go get his email.
http://billnelson.senate.gov/contact/email.cfm
I love you Pumas!!!!
One Love
Afternoon everyone,
I wanted to mention two things today. Both John McCain and BO will speak at LULAC’s National Convention which will be in Washington, D.C. from July 7-12th. The e-mail I received from LULAC actually only mentioned BO, but when I went to the convention website (www.lulac.org/events/convention08.html) I found out McCain would also be there. If you are Hispanic and will be in the D.C. area around that time do consider attending or at the least e-mail your questions and comments to the national office or your local LULAC council (you can find this info by going to http://www.lulac.org). BO is kidding himself if he thinks Latinos won’t vote for McCain. JC is a moderate and he had a moderate view on immigration. His big mistake was not denouncing John Hagee when this person gave him his support.
Also, I signed up to receive e-mails from Ralph Nader soon after HC suspended her campaign (it was a crazy time and I had decided not to vote for BO and started looking for other options). I’m including his recent e-mail to those on his list below, as it might be of interest to you. I’m not campaigning for him, but he is speaking out against BO, so I thought some might want to see it.
Best,
Lara08
Here is what Nader says:
“Senator Obama said earlier today that I haven’t been paying attention to his campaign.
Actually, I have.
And it’s clear from Senator Obama’s campaign that he is not willing to tackle the white power structure – whether in the form of the corporate power structure or many of the super-rich – who are taking advantage of 100 million low income Americans who are suffering in poverty or near poverty.
Senator Obama is opposed to single payer national health insurance.
Why?
Because he favors the health insurance giants over the millions of Americans in poverty or near poverty who are uninsured or under-insured. Eighteen thousand Americans die every year because they cannot afford health insurance, according to the Institute of
Medicine.
Senator Obama wants to expand the military budget which is loaded with waste, fraud and abuse – instead of cutting it and investing the long ignored peace dividend in the inner cities with good jobs and public works – including schools, clinics, and libraries.
Why?
Because he fears and favors those thousands of lobbyists in charge of enlarging the military industrial complex that President Eisenhower warned us against.
Senator Obama says he favors a living wage. But he doesn’t say he would immediately increase the minimum wage to $10 an hour, which is the equivalent of the 1968 minimum wage adjusted for inflation – because by doing so he would offend the big corporations who exploit labor in places like Wal-Mart and fast food chains. (The minimum wage needs
to be increased immediately, not phased in over a number of years, as Senator Obama would have it.)
So Senator Obama, let’s get specific.
We’re looking for deeds, not, as Shakespeare put it, words, words, mere words.
Your public career, which I have also been paying attention to, is long on words, and short on action when it comes to consumer protection, cracking down on corporate crime, curbing the violence of toxic environmental racism, and extending clean, affordable public transit, among other issues.
For the purposes of the here and now, three things:
One, why don’t you support single payer national health insurance, which is supported by a majority of doctors and the American people?
Two, why do you favor expanding the military budget which is replete with waste, fraud
and abuse?
And three, why don’t you come out and support an immediate increase of the minimum wage to $10 an hour?
When can we expect the authenticity of hope and change?”
#143 BigCatLover
It’s not idealism we need. Ideals are great to have but they must be pratcial. What we are in dire need of is REALISM. What works and how to get it done.
Idealism sets the table but realism cooks and serves the meal. The finest china won’t feed you if there is nothing to eat.
Oops, I forgot to say this. Both BO and McCain will speak at the LULAC convention on July 8th. -Lara
I am by no means religious, but should Obama win this thing, I will pray like hell for this country.
#98 Luckylady, # 35 Mimi1020, BeverlLeslie #75, MiniVee please if you would like you can send me an e-mail to latinpuma@gmail.com so that we can coordinate and see how we can best approach the Hispanic population. Murphy said that we already have some spanish flyers available in the Action area that is a great resource; I will resort to that too. I am not in a state w/ a big hispanic concentration – but I think we can make this work, if we set our minds to it. Murphy–would you be open to be in the hispanic news/media?
#104 & #146
Thanks for the info & on-line petition sounds like great idea.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11371.html
“The Republican National Committee and John McCain’s campaign seized on the ruling and used it to frame Democrat Barack Obama as a radical liberal on the issue of gun rights, in the first step toward a media and advertising push in more rural battleground states that “highlights that Barack Obama is the most anti gun candidate in American presidential history,” according to RNC spokesman Danny Diaz.”
Well, I did something else today to keep protesting DNC after receiving a Florida Democrats’s email shoving me Obambi down my throat, I filled out the voters registration form and I registered as Independent. I am keeping my Hillary bumper sticker, just because I am ONLY loyal to her, the hell with the DNC!
#146 DaddysDarlin
The electoral college protects us from mob rule. Maybe you don’t like how it functions as of late but it does its job over time.
For example, most states passed term limits because “the mob” was tired of career politicians. Amazingly, all contemporary politicians were grandfathered in and weren’t affected by the knee-jerk reactionary passing of term limits. What WAS affected is our right to vote as we see fit. Now, when a really good person gets into office they are forced to leave office and you cannot vote for them ever again.
Terms limits, like mob rule, serve no purpose other than to override our Constitution. We have the right to vote how we see fit… well, we HAD that right at one time but not any more thanks to mob rule.
#154 Beca4Hillary. way to go
#153, totally true, he wants to implement that nationally, sorry, but that is not going to fly…at least Hillary respected gun owners.
#148 Kempion
You are so right. Many people call me a cynic, but I call myself a realist.
Can’t you feel the love from Camp Obama?
http://www.collegeotr.com/quinnipiac_university/5_reasons_the_obamaclinton_ballot_is_a_no-go_9633
yeah, they’re for unity. whatever.
another disgusting show of why I’m not falling in line.
# 155 Kempion, I believe that anything we can do as individuals to put the election of a President back into the hands of the people instead of those like Pelosi, Dean, and Brazile who are super-delegates, and have been given money from Obama for their various re-election campaigns, you know like buying their support and their super votes, then we must do it.
It is the people who should elect the President, not special interest groups, or super-delegates.
The status-quo must be changed, and I for one am all for it.
Power to the People!!!
One Love
Checked out Riverdaughter’s commentary today. Very insightful. I am going to email a copy to all of my friends.
and thanks the silent donor who contributed all that extra money for flowers–I know it helped us make our floral statement!!
Later-
Here is a decent article from Rasmussen Reports (the only poll I look at) on why polls show different results.
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/why_polls_sometimes_show_different_results
OH YES, thanks to all those who provided flowers on behalf of those who were unable to. I want you to know that I appreciate it very much. Someday, when I am able I too will pay it forward.
One Love
I’ve yet to see a smile on Hillary’s face since she was recieved out side the the Senate this week she addressed the NAN and she did not smile when she asked them to support BO. I will not vote democrat this year they are a bunch of lying cheats I do not reward my children when they are in the wrong and I will not reward the DNC besides they don’t need my vote or my money Donna B. said so .
#116 DancesWithPumas on 06.26.08 at 1:21 pm
Her email is murphy@pumapac.org
And I wish to add, Three WOW! for her. I sent her an email and she responded. Her response was PROFESSIONAL and KIND. She is a WONDERFUL woman and leader. We are so lucky to be with her.
Please PUMA PAC a dollar here and $5 bucks here, please donate to PUMA so that the word can get out.
That is “Three WOWs! for her (Murphy)
For the person who is collecting Flip Flops or outright lies,
Web Browser Keyword Search: Auschwitz, Obama
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Lie: Obama said his uncle helped liberate Auschwitz death camp at the end of World War II.
Truth: He didn’t have an uncle in WWII era.
Truth: Joseph Stalin’s Russian Red Army liberated Auschwitz.
Truth: His great-uncle, took part in the liberation of Buchenwald.
Read more…
Obama: Buchenwald, not Auschwitz
Posted: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 9:21 AM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: 2008, Obama
“Obama had to clarify a statement he made on Monday about his uncle’s role in World War II, the Washington Post writes. “Speaking in New Mexico on Memorial Day, Obama said a great-uncle had helped to liberate the Auschwitz death camp at the end of World War II. ‘I had a uncle who was one of the, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps,’ Obama said… He continued: ‘And the story in my family is that when he came home, he just went into the attic, and he didn’t leave the house for six months. All right? Now, obviously something had affected him deeply, but at the time, there just weren’t the kinds of facilities to help somebody work through that kind of pain.’”
“That may be a fact, the RNC noted gleefully — but only if Obama’s uncle had served in the Red Army of Joseph Stalin, which liberated Auschwitz on Jan. 27, 1945. Obama’s campaign said yesterday that he had erred in naming the camp but not in describing the role of his great-uncle, who partook in the liberation of Buchenwald. ‘Senator Obama’s family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II — especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald. Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically,’ Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement.”
More: “Obama campaign aides were indignant that Republicans had pounced on what they called an innocent mistake in relating his family history. Tommy Vietor, an Obama spokesman, decried “using the Holocaust and concentration camps as a political football.’”
The Boston Globe: “Republicans tried yesterday to jump on it as a question of Barack Obama’s judgment. His campaign chalked it up to an innocent mistake.”
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/28/1070102.aspx
Just came across on Fox news – that it showed the Chosen One up by 4-5% in Colorado and another state (just caught the tail end of it) but also had my state MN up by 7% and Wisconsin by 9 or 13% – where in God’s name do they take these polls at?!
They had that guy named Major do his “opinion” of the results. The ppl I talk to in my state have not desire to have the Chosen One. Although my state went the Chosen One ….we also were a state that had one of those “caucuses” or should I say “joke” primary!
In fact I have talked with someone who is gathering info and doing a investigation into voter fraud.
JMO – but Kampion & Daddydarlin – I agree somebody and I mean somebody with legal knowledge should be checking into this Birth Certificate thing. When it was first out there I called my state DFL office and asked if he was born in the USA? – the guy at the DFL office – I believe he was. I said well did it get checked out to make sure cause if he wasn’t he can not run of POTUS. He said I would think they did…..Ah – Dah “think”
Sorry but I do not trust the Chosen One and with all his other “problems” and “associations” this should be looked into….cause if it is true wouldn’t it be alot harder to get out of that? IMO
#160 DaddysDarlin
Ok, it’s not the electoral college issue then.
Special interests are a major problem. Howeever, short of imposing a moritorium on lobbying, that won’t change.
Until we have a better system for keeping an eye on our legislators (like a one item per bill rule change in both houses of Congress) they will continue to sneak pork through on behalf of their contributors.
As for Superdelegates, those stem from party rules and are not governed by law. To change those, you would need to change the party.
The parties govern their primaries up to the extent of the actual elections – where the states step in and pay for the elections. After that point, the elections are covered by laws.
Obama lies
http://democrats-against-obama.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yixPgq1Mh2A
Video Transcribed by hand:
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“The reason we don’t want Obama has nothing to do with skin color… Or that he wasn’t our choice. It has nothing to do with Obama…
Lie: “Selma got me born.”
Truth: Your parents thought it was safe enough to have you in 1961.
Lie: Because of the Marh in Selma my parents got me born.
Truth: Selma was in 1965.
Lie: My father was a proud freedom fighter.”
Truth: He ws part of the most corrupt and violent government Kenya ever had.
Lie: “I don’t take PAC money.”
Truth: You take tons of it in the form of maxed out donations.
Lie: “I was a Constitutional Lawyer.”
Truth: He was a senior lecturer on leave.
Lie: “My father was a goat herder.”
Truth: He was a well educated youth and later went to work for the Kenyan government.
Lie: “I was a Professor of Law.”
Truth: You were still a senior lecturer on leave.
Lie: “In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed,” the Presidential candidate said in a speech to 500 people packed into a swelling Richmond arts studio for a fund raiser.
Truth: The death toll was 12.
Lie (Flip/Flop): Barack Obama in a 2003, talking to AFL/CIO said, “I happen to be a proponent of single-payer universal healthcare coverage. That’s what I’d like to see.” But then in a January 2008 Obama claimed in a recently televised debate, “I never said that we should try to go ahead and get single-payer healthcare.”
http://democrats-against-obama.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yixPgq1Mh2A
check out this article by james dobson on newsmax.Go to the link below when you get the drop down list click on : James Dobson Terrified by president Obama:
newsmax/insidecover/Dobson
YES! This is what we ought to be doing! BEING VISIBLE! BEING VOCAL! Getting OUT THERE! Not only on Friday in Unity, NH, but in every other town across this nation. We need this to happen EVERYWHERE.
It is time we stopped being so silent and invisible. Blogs are blogs….they serve a great purpose, but they can also be silent and certainly invisible to many; media and others can choose to ignore them. But nothing can compare to many complementary, simultaneous, and peaceful demonstrations in support of Hillary and real democracy.
PUMAS, let’s GET OUT THERE TOMORROW. Wear your gear, carry your signs, and DO IT. Let them know we have NOT disappeared and that we must BE SEEN AND HEARD AND COUNTED.
Just saw a short segment about Hillary’s introducing her major donners to BHO today…
The American Nurses PAC was mentioned.
A good group of PUMA TO TARGET if they do.
Matter of fact, any of Hillary’s donners that switch are good targets and to create a contact list for, imo.
I am so tired of hearing we “will come around after we lick our wounds, “get over it” etc that I could scream. I am also sick of Obama and his arrogance. One thing I know for sure is we must stand together for what we believe in. This is a great place to come when you feel you are the only one out there that has an ounce of common sense. I wish someone would put up the candle site again. Anything worth having is worth fighting for and Hillary is definitely worth the fight. So out to run some errands and post some flyers. Oh California and North Dakota flowers were delivered yesterday!!
Murphy, Is there anyway you can put a special page so that regular bloggers who have become friends can “socialise” and communicate more personal stuff ? The blogs can get unweildy as it is and this will make it less time consuming to have to scroll through personal remarks etc.. I suppose some of us have very limited time and would like to see less of the “good mornings and good nights” and I am going to the Dr. or to my mechanic or what have you. A little greeting and friendliness is great but sometimes it is too much ! This is a political action blog and I just want to see us taken seriously by outsiders or media that come to check us out. Not some chat room rants.
Personally, I would love to see more members try to get the word out to NEW PEOPLE who would like to come on board – who do not know about PUMA. We need to grow our membership at a faster pace.
We need to get the word out quickly and in a huge way that Obama is a high RISK as President. We need to tell Folks that there are new developments, new facts that they need to know about him. I personally have friends that say they voted for him and they don’t want to know any “smears”. We need to put things out there so people can investigate for themselves and not fear that they voted wrong but out of pride, are just letting it go at that.
#173 cosmeta. Hillary thanked the nurses for endorsing her and asked them to support Nobama for president. Barf
New to Puma blogs.
What kind of support exists for HRC? It appears to me that most of us have or will capitulate to our strong tendencies to vote Democratic ticket no matter what.
This year, that is not possible for me. What I saw turned my stomach. It was just disrespectful and hateful to both HRC and her supporters. It was as if we were trash for not voting for Obama.
When did democrats become so bigoted and vulgar towards other democrats- poor people, old people, women etc? When did we start booing and insulting candidates for president? When did we start demanding that one candidate be installed as nominee over the other?
Why was Hillary trashed and bashed and forced to quit? Always before a candidate- in such a CLOSE race- could and DID take it to the convention. She was treated like a traitor, a pariah just for running.
Really… what happened to our party? And when did the haters move in and take over?
#146 DaddysDarlin on 06.26.08 at 2:05 pm
I am with you (agree) on the online petition.
With today’s technology every vote can be counted.
Let’s do away with the caucuses and Super Delegates while we are at it!
Just donated to the puma’s I will not vote for Obama he knows and knew he is the chosen one just like Kennedy was in the eighty’s they never learn The democratic party is a dishonest good old boys and girls club .
Murphy, I have to say that the support for Hillary is impressive. However, you know as well as I do flowers and signs are not going to change the DNC. PUMA’s only hope for party reform is through the interdiction of the law.
Hillary cannot win the nomination without Florida and Michigan being fully counted. It’s that simple. Even then, Hillary has an uphill battle.
Start by burying the Attorney Generals of Florida and Michigan in emails. Tell them to do their jobs and to sue the DNC over violating the rights of voters in those states. The Supreme Court of the United States will have no choice but to hear this case as soon as it gets filed because the question is over the 15th Amendment of our Constitution. This is much bigger than Bush v. Gore and time is of the essence.
Florida Attorney General –
ag.mccollum@myfloridalegal.com
Michigan Attorney General
miag@michigan.gov
Create a copiable letter for PUMA members to use and rquest that they send aas many emails to these addresses as possible. Get the AG’s attention and move them into action.
-Kemp
I have to add…last night at a fundraiser for a dem candidate, I overheard a BO supporter talk about how ‘cool it is to have all these new young voters since BO started running. He said, “yeah, it’s smart for the Dems to recruit these young people. Who would you rather have in your party, a young twenty-something with many years ahead, or some 75-year old voter?”
So, sure, they really ARE throwing Hillary and everyone else under the bus these days. I am so steamed after hearing this, I can hardly breathe today. If this is the kind of arrogance that exists in the BO and DNC network, I am once again thoroughly disgusted. Party Unity? GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.
Read it, The Nerve! The unbiased stupid media!
http://lists.now.org/t/483351/4754134/2359107/0/
I don’t fault Hillary for supporting the party. She would be an outcast if she doesn’t. They are threatening to sabotage her career.
Still… it is up to us to carry on the battle. Even if it is with our one small vote of protest in Nov.
It seems ironic to me, after labeling Hill and Bill as racists, and trashing them so much… that the party, Obama and the nasty supporters are basicall DEMANDING their support and endorsement.
I hope Bill holds off and finds a leuk warm way to show his support. My god, they basically spit on his presidency and literally did heckle his wife just for running.
But what do we do? Should we all vote the same in Nov or just go our own way? In NM I can not write HRC in. That was my first choice, but the vote would default to the formal party candidate.
What are others doing?
Didn’t Sen.Nelson sue what was his law suit about?
Has anyone here heard of ACORN? Apparently, they have a history of being involved with voter fraud and they are aligned with BO. In fact he once worked with them as a community organizer. This is not good news.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTcxMDhjOTc2MGI0OTE1Y2QyMDYwYWE5MGY3OWJmY2I=
Someone posted last night about the probable reason BO didn’t want to link his campaign with the state party in CO. He/she said it could be because his campaign wants the freedom to do underhanded mischief. I tend to agree.
#172 FIREchief is correct. Blogs are blogs – they serve their purpose. We need to be out there – handing flyers/ emailing people-/ faxing/ etc. We cannot be safely communicating on our blogs, raving and ranting.
This is serious stuff – if we have been more serious and more proactive DURING Hillary’s campaign, maybe she would have won. But now, let’s not get complacent – us regular folks are outMonied, outNumbered, outMedia’d, outEverything. But we still have a chance…. we must match the Obama grassroot folks with the same fierceness only with less hate and venom.
Hi, all.
I have posted here before, mostly under another handle, but when I tried to use it, it wouldn’t go through, so now I’m using my other email account for access.
Have noticed some grubling about Senator Clinton’s “support” for BHO and would like to add my 2 cents.
HRC is publicly asking her donors to support BHO.
They have no more obligation to follow her suggestion than we do.
HRC is also telling BHO that she will support him, but her first priority is paying down her debt.
She knows BHO will only make a token effort to help her do that.
She has a lawyer negotiating her position at the convention and other details with camp BHO according to a story posted on ClintonDems.
She has sent us all e-mails asking us to stand with her.
Senator Clinton is a very smart politician and is doing some very smart politicking to this day.
Pay no attention to those who say otherwise.
Listen to the lady herself, the same way you always have, with your eyes, heart and mind wide open.
The truth is clear.
#120 bluesgal on 06.26.08 at 1:27 pm
Have you upgraded your Adobe Reader? Go to http://www.adobe.com and get an upgrade. The other possible problem is that your OS needs to be upgraded to match with the operating level of Adobe’s PDF reader.
I would remove the Adobe PDF reader you now have and install/download the newest release.
Check these to possible causes.
cheers
#179 Kempion
Yes, I second your proposal.
I also think that every time we do something (send flowers, a group letter, etc…) the media has to be alerted. The DNC isn’t going to say that they are getting thousands of letters protesting. A delegate told me they were receiving 500 e-mails a day asking them to support HC. I wouldn’t have known that unless this person told me. -Lara08
In the prior post (#?) of this morning someone listed a group of names/companies that were the Chosen Ones supporters. I saw Ford, Boeing, and others….but I did see Comcast. That is my cable (all) provider and I am going to write to the President and tell him that if he is supporting the Chosen One then I no longer which to use his company for my services. We also drive a Ford so I plan on writing that person too.
I strongly believe if these company Presidents/CEO etc start to see it will effect them they may be alittle less eager to donate/support.
I did call Comcast HQ and verified with them and the President is supporting and donating to the Chosen One. JMO
Hillary did win if you count Fl. and MI
One other note of interest when I went to the DNC website today to get an phone number/fax number – the first page that comes up is the Chosen One (THE WHOLE FLIPPIN PAGE) and ask to donate…..thought they did not need us…..$ going downnnnnnnnnnnn – I HOPE SO!
Guys, go to my #181 read and vote on the roght hand inside, this email is from the National Organization For Woman, they have a “Wall of Shame” against the media, we all should vote and pass this message tp our friends, there is a video in there too.
I wish that more women- old hippies- like myself that marched and protested for civil rights, against the war and for women’s rights would come together behind Hillary.
We are a huge voting bloc. But we always do what is best for the party, the country. It is hard to protest and not vote for a democrat. But Obama is not what he pretended to be. He was slick and played dirty and really damaged Hillary intentionally. He even used our willingness to vote for HIM, if she were not the nominee, against us. He then gloated that he could win back her supporters but not the other way around.
And of course he got his hateful band of supporters to say they would sit the vote out or black out the vote in Nov. This scared the DNC into installing Obama as nominee. They thought lifelongs like myself would never walk away. So they sacrificed us to retain all the newly registered voters. I have since left the party- in protest. But most of my friends and others I know, plan to now support Obama.
AND… that seems to be true. Obama is widening his lead over McCain.
If polled (I have not been yet in this election) I plan to lie and purport to support BO. so that HRC doesn’t get the blame when I vote against Obama in NOV.
I have to go now, but if you’d like me to be in charge of preparing press releases that I would send out to, oh I don’t know, 50 media outlets, let me know. The press info would talk about our activities and the new reasons we oppose BO.
I’ll check in later. -Lara08
#179 Kempion
People on this site have been asking from the beginning what legal steps can be taken, so we welcome your suggestion. We’ve been told that there were several lawsuits filed and they have already been dismissed. We need someone who really knows how it’s done. Have you contacted the Atty Genrls in FL and MI and what was the response? People on this site are action people and will do what shows promise of actually making a difference.
#147 Lara08
I just might vote for Nader after his comments about Obama playing off “white guilt”.
Here’s the entire interview with Nader in yesterday’s Rocky Mountain News, for those who missed it:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jun/25/nader-critical-of-obama-for-trying-to-talk-white/
NYCgirl
#188 1of18Mil,
I wish I could join in your protest of Comcast, unfortunately, they have a monopoly in my neighborhood. I’d have to go back to dial-up internet and go with satellite TV. That’s a little more than I’m willing to do. I will contact Comcast and voice my disapproval though.
#98 luckylady on 06.26.08 at 1:04 pm
Did you see/get latinpuma’s email address;
latinpuma@gmail.com
Hispanic as well, let’s join forces!
#179 – Kempion —- is right. Flowers/flip flops/etc are a nice grassroots touch. It tells people we are normal folks – not a media machine with no heart. However,
we need to put the FIERCE-ness that I see a lot of us Puma folks have… we need to put it where it counts most. BANG FOR YOUR BUCK… Lets put our heads together and get back to BEING PUMA’S. Puma’s are swift, silent, can be deadly.. WE ARE NOT KITTY CATS !!!
#187 lets make it 1000 e -mails a day.
Here is Nader’s media page (we might try to have something like this): http://www.votenader.org/media/
Bye for real. -Lara08
Time flies when reading PUMA blogs and having fun!
I would like to stress, this is a nice cocoon we are in, but we need to go to the “Action Center” and get into ACTION! I would like to say; “we need to get more Democrats to see that the Primaries/Caucuses were not DEMOCRATIC,” and for them not to vote a “CHOSEN ONE” into the White House.
Leave this PUMA cocoon and go into ACTION!
I only have a few minutes before monitor poops out again~
Murphy your awesome as usual and look Great on t.v.~
Thank You Kat for sending flowers for Michigan~
Thank you to all P.U.M.A.’s for your hard work~
Here’s my donation~It’s not much, best I can do at the moment!
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To #15 tatepuma.
I guess you are right. Since I can now no longer vote for Obama in good faith or conscience… my vote for whomever (most likely McCain to make it count the most) is not a “protest” vote.
Since I initially intended to vote for Obama, until I saw how smug and cocky and arrogant he was. And until I saw him mock Hillary and jeer (annie Oakley act) and then brush her off his shoulder. And until I saw the hateful and disrespectul way Obama, his campaign, the DNC and the media were. Once I realized how self-serving and self-impressed Obama is…he really thinks he is perfect and superior- I decided ANYone but Obama.
So I guess it is no longer a protest vote. I now genuinely dislike the candidate Obama has shown himself to be.
#180 firechief
Last night I had the misfortune of catching a few biased minutes of CNN News (which should just be renamed *ONN* News, since “O” is the only one they cover now …). There was a “humorous” piece about how McCain is “computer illiterate”. They portrayed him as a bumbling old codger who has no idea what a PC is for. It was so disrespectful to this older gentleman and to all other senior citizens. They were portraying Obama’s supporters as young, cool, and total gearheads.
This is disgraceful. I don’t support McCain’s policies, but putting him down because he is a senior citizen is beneath contempt.
NYCgirl
Today is the birthday of the most decorated Marine in American history, Lieutenant General Lewis Burwell “Chesty” Puller, 1898-1971.
He left with us a quote that is so appropriate to the Obamabots that I had to honor him by sharing with the Pumas.
“All right, they’re on our left, they’re on our right, they’re in front of us, they’re behind us…they can’t get away this time.”
#159 58states1 …
I posted a comment there without a hassle:
“It’s gotta be painful to have your VP supremely more qualified than you.”
Attention: Fierce Puma folks.
What about the idea of a class action suit by us Puma folks. We can contribute to fund and hire a like minded Attorney for our causes… CAN WE DEBATE THIS TODAY ?
Surely there is a connected Attorney that one of us knows.. I have an attorney and am checking with him now.
Seriously, I could donate a truck load of flip flops but it will only get us a nice chuckle. I want to spend my money in other ways. There has to be media involved. Media likes dirt on anyone at some point or another..
#180 Kempion
I don’t think there is a legal solution to this dilemma. If the superdelegates had gone for Hillary, the other side would be calling her Selected. Neither one had enough without the SD’s.
The only way, as I see it, is for BO to implode over the summer and actually take himself out of the nomination. Otherwise, his camp will be just as disenchanted as ours and the same disunity would exist.
Hillary has got to promote the party to keep her viable for a BO collapse or for a run in 2012.
#209 Fred,
I know very little about the law, but if we have a case with merit, I’m all for it.
#210 doria,
I agree with your points.
#199 William Denver Co, thanks for the email info. I do think that we need to try to reach Hispanics because they may not be aware of our cause and need to educate themselves about *61 before Nov. I handled out about 15 flyers at my doctor’s office while I was taking my stress test last week and I was surprised that the people there knew so little about the DNC Proceedings and about *61. My email address is cuevast@sbcglobal.net. Hope to hear from you.
To #16- zombifortruth.
I concur with most of what you say. Obama is a lying, pandering hypocrit.
But as a true supporter of HRC, I feel her pain and feel very sympathetic to the position she is now in. She can not denounce Obama or the party. She and Bill would go to the trash heap of history and she would never be able to hold any office.
I believe in the things she trys to do for the people and want her out there in any capacity possible. We can speak what she can not speak. You can’t expect her, after all this, to look like a sore loser and a spoiler and get the blame for the loss if Obama loses.
We need to support her publicly and back her… and then sabotage Obama if we can. Too many democrats are being loyal to the party. No one can stomach the republicans. But I say, what is 4 more years rather than watch democracy trashed . I say, McCain is not like Bush. McCain is much MORE moderate than HE can let on. Politicians walk a tight line. That is what Bill and Hill and even McCain are doing. But McCain crosses the aisle easily and so does Hill and that is how things get done.
I won’t ever publicly trash or denounce or embarass Hillary. She has been dissed enough. She is forced into whatever support she shows Obama. We are smart enough to see HIM for what he is. Don’t blame the victim of this for her own demise.
Got an email from Alice Palmer today. She sent this link, but wants us to stand strong. Keep doing what we know is right.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/30ce063e-4318-11dd-81d0-0000779fd2ac.html
The Republicans did not make me afraid of BO, BO made me afraid of BO.
Obama Accepts Millions From SubPrime Tied Contributors
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/06/obamas-accepts-millions-from-subprime.html
Just a thought…since we are sending so many letters and emails to Sds and there is still time. Would it be so wrong to start asking them to force BHO to produce his birth certificate with an embossed seal on it? They represent us and the party and it is their obligation to make sure if “he” is the candidate that “he” meets the qualifications set in the constitution. “He” has supposedly released the one..what’s the big deal about requesting another certified copy and having it presented to the SDs for authenticity? I’m sure McCain would be willing to do the same if necessary, but the questions aren’t about him. We could also include this in emails to the media. It would be a big coup for some news team to actualy “unveil” an indisbutable certificate. I wonder what would happen if he gets in and then we find out he is not legal. Pelosi moves to VP slot????? That ought to get some of you letter writers fired up. Maybe it needs to become one of our action items!
It is more important that ever that we hold our ground. We need to get these people rethinking their decision to support BHO. Where the hell are the republican swift boats??? Sitting in the harbor till after the convention!!
http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-clinton-supporters
#203 BY WilliamDenver CO – he is right… I for one feel like this is a safe haven, cocoon. We need to get out our killer instinct there and fight. Don’t get soft on me – every single person has a killer instinct… it is there whether you want to admit it or not. In this case, I mean it in the nice sense…. Like Tiger Woods, his parents taught him to have killer instinct – like eye of the Tiger / Puma !! Lets get out of our safe, safe, friends among friends cocoon… If you feel so strongly about Hillary or against Obama or against the DNC or against Sexism, whatever you stand for or against. Do something you have never done before. Surprise yourself – for our good cause… Do something today instead of talking… one tiny thing today. A bigger one tomorrow and so one.
#215 prplvette85,
That’s very heartening news!
#206 NYCGirl
Yes, I agree, it is ALL bad — the sexism, racism, ageism. No matter what candidate or group it’s directed at.
I am hopeful there are at least 18 million Americans who will always take the high road and respect one another, because that is certainly the model our Hillary has offered. Just think how the discourse in our country will change for the better when she is elected!
We need to pull this country out of the gutter. It starts with the Mainstream Media. Write the network, but better yet, write their owners and ADVERTISERS.
Something to consider:
Snail mail is given more weight by its recipients than email because it requires more effort than a simple copy / paste/ “send”.
I notice that Terry McAuliffe has joined the ranks urging Hillary backers to switch to BHO — what is left???
I do agree with earlier posts that Hillary is prepping for another run in 2012. She rarely mentions BHO — and he was’nt mentioned at all in her email.
I can’t even imagine what the BHO group will do to get Bill Clinton into the fold since according to them, he is a racist.
One of the many great things about this site is that is an action site. All we need to do is follow through!!
Finally, hello to all may fellow Coloradoans!!! I live near Chatfield Dam. I will be there for any marches, gatherings, etc that occur at the convention.
PUMA
This was posted upstairs by Beca;
http://lists.now.org/t/483351/4754134/2359107/0/
I am furious with this video!
Mail your thoughts to below info or go the the website link above:
Phil Griffin — MSNBC
Title: Executive Producer
Department: Hardball with Chris Matthews
E-mail: phil.griffin@msnbc.com
Phone: (202) 783-2615
Fax: (202) 737-4986
Address: 400 N Capitol St NW, Washington, DC 20001-
Here is the letter I sent;
Phil Griffin, Executive Producer,
I just want to tell you how disgusted I am as a woman that you allowed Keith Olbermann to make such a sexist remark! Oh, haven’t heard it yet? This is it….”Right. Somebody who can take her into a room and only he comes out.”
What is he implying? My mind can only guess!
Remarks like that are not only not acceptable about Senator Clinton, but not acceptable about any woman, anywhere, anytime, anyplace!
I DEMAND a written apology to Senator Clinton and a PUBLIC and NEWSPAPER apology to all the women of this fine country.
For God’s sake, my young daughter saw this. What is she suppose to think about a remark like that? It’s okay for a man to do who knows what to a woman?
This woman mudslinging has got to stop and it needs to stop now.
You’ve allowed Olbermann to send our country back 100 years from today with remarks like that coming off your channel.
Debbie ******
Here’s a link to details on tomorrow’s Unity protest. Also check today’s Daily Growl at the ACTION CENTER.
http://pumaaction.com/
email me at murphy@pumapac.org with any questions.
Read the article that Alice Palmer sent to our blogger above. Why does the media insist on calling us GRIEVING, minority women ? Is it their way of making us more easy to dismiss ? I don’t think my husband would like to be called a Grieving woman nor the thousands of men that are agains Obama. WE ARE NO LONGER GRIEVING. TAKE THAT AND DEAL WITH IT. WE HAVE TURNED OUR GRIEVE INTO ACTION. Deal with that !!
By the way, can anyone tell me why Alice Palmer just let Obama get away with his Chicago dirty politics ? What about the other guy – I don’t remember his name ? Are they so frightened of him ?
#219 – just read that article – can you believe the arrogance of that bast**d – now Hillary is his ‘surrogate’-WTF – we have got to get to the kool aid drinkers – however, having said that, has anyone here been polled – I haven’t – so who & where are all these people the polls talk about………………..
%219 TX Puma,
Yes, the RNC has been unusually quiet. Leads me to believe they have a bombshell (or several) to drop just after the convention.
#224 Terry is a Democrat #1. He always said he would support the candidate. However, I honestly believe he wants Hillary to be our nominee. He is the one that gave us the address to send Hillary Thank You cards and said to write “take it to Denver” in the card. So, remember this is politics and we must stand our ground and move FORWARD. Terry was the first one to tell us “Ignore the media!!!” Everyone should take time each day to write or call a delegate , write to the press or post flyers. The more exposed we become they will realize we can’t be swept under the carpet. We are real people and we are here to stay.
#227 Fred
I’ve been wondering about the Chicago thing too. Why did he get away with that so easily? Is it his connections or the hutzpah that takes everyone back and no one protests? Interesting questions that we need to answer to fight effectively. Does the person who heard from Alice Palmer have any insight on this?
#175 Fred: “Murphy, Is there anyway you can put a special page so that regular bloggers who have become friends can “socialise” and communicate more personal stuff?”
Following on: Can we agree that when posting links to videos and articles that we include a brief synopsis (a short paragraph)? Many of us have already read the articles, visited the sites, and viewed the videos, so, culmulatively, following all the links becomes a major waste of time. A brief synopsis would help tremendously.
.02 cents
#198 Antifish
It is a monopoly here too….I plan to call and voice my disgust, opinion and that I am thinking of taking my service elsewhere.
#200
I agree with you ….time is a wasting. I do like all the growls ( I have done all of them), I have created and passed out fliers on the ground where ppl do not have interent/cable and seniors and I post but because of the format I assumed it was this way. But I was finding harder and harder to get thru everything (post) and I just do not have that much time or ability – I have multiple medical limitations but I am still concerned with what happens to my country and the next POTUS.
As much as I thought the flower thing was wonderful I did suggest that we send one big bouquet with 50 (51 for Canada) of mixed flowers so as to represent mulitple states and all states….it would have been “CHEAPER” and the rest of the money toward paying down her debt. The card have stated a thank you and here is something to help with you campaign debt. Duo purpose – JMO
There are many of us on a very FIXED income but can still talk, walk, write, email, phone and organize.
The other thing I do not understand is why are we not combining all the other groups, organize by state and have media coverage, newspapers, bulletin, local cable channels, fundraisers, “real” polls within our towns, etc. …there are ways to do it and it does not all have to cost money. Yes will still need the BIG stuff too!
I don’t know I guess I just get frustrated. I want them to know we are here and we are “REAL” otherwise we will be drowned into the backdrop and be old news.
I just sent an e-mail to Dr James Dobson asking him to consider supporting John McCain. I hope he will make a public statement doing that soon. I feel that having his base stay home would only hurt McCain.
thanks for fairplay;
My view is that we have had our rights to elect the candidate stolen and balantly so and if you speak out against it then you are not a true democrat or you are a racist. I am still a democrat at heart and have been for many years and at the same time I believe that a person should earn the right to be president, have integrity and charcater and that is not what we have been given.
If you look closely Senator O’s stance is becoming more and more dictator style each day. He tells us how to handle our bodies, our children, to buy smaller cars and turn up our thermostats, which I am sure he does not do. Although it might be an effort and hard I will try to survive with the gas/food prices, and pray to keep my home/health insurance/job but I can not succomb to my freedom being hijacked.
#226 Murphy,
I wish I could go to Unity, but it’s too far from GA. I hope we have a good showing. I’ll be there in spirit cheering all the Pumas on!
One clarification is needed on the flower thing. It was a suggestion by one of the members here to welcome Hillary back to the Senate and show our support. It was not an official daily action as part of our goals. It did kinda grow into a huge thing, but I think it didn’t distract from our real action items, but it did take up alot of space on the blog coordinating it. It was a one time deal.
There are many groups like this one that share a common goal:
http://www.nobamanetwork.com/index.html
Couldn’t one mass petition be created and distributed to all these sites, with a set deadline for submitting it to the DNC? It’s hard to believe there wouldn’t be cooperation for the most part, provided all groups were given proper credit?
Kempion, Fred, Battle for the Hill, fedupdem2008 and all the others calling for action.
You are soooooo right. We have only one power, and that is the power of numbers. We need to grow to be millions so that our voice carries with it millions of votes.
That will make change, that will command attention.
Get 5 new PUMA’s to join today!
Send emails and letter to every national tv station asking to see Murphy on tv. The media will get our message out and our numbers will grow.
We can all do these things and the growth will be exponential!
Yeah for the PUMAs
#230 — 4hillinca
I actually agree with you – but it does seem strange to have names associated with HBO. You are absolutely correct that this is the current political world.
Let’s hope PUMA can make a real difference.
#193 Beca4Hillary
We should send the link to Pelosi. She was too busy and didn’t notice sexism existed in the primary? That site should give her a chance to catch up. Hellllloooo Nancy, here’s a replay of ‘Sexism for Dummies’ just for you.
More flowers sent from Washington state. Should have been delivered today.
All of you going to Unity tomorrow — will be with you in thoughts! If possible , would someone please take photos and/or videos of PUMA rally and if anyone harrasses PUMAS, please try to get that also on video.
Please tell Hillary we love her and her donors to give a token donation of $1.00 to noname. We will be looking for you on tv!!!
diva2
Murphy should be in the “situation room” giving Donna Obabrazile a piece of her mind
ATTENTION PUMAs
STATE MEETING IN MISSOURI IS TONIGHT! VISIT: http://www.18millionvoices.blogspot.com FOR MORE INFORMATION!
NYC girl, #206:
CNN has a strategy: they place a positive piece on Obama next to a negative piece on, formerly Hillary, now McCain. This way they can say they are giving the candidates “equal time” — even though the coverage is far from equal. I think this strategy derives from their expectation that Obama would make better “copy” as Pres — what do they care about his qualifications or about presenting an unbiased picture? We can make them care by turning away in droves and contacting their sponsors to express displeasure.
My goodness, what has the world come to when I look forward to watching FOX and reading Karl Rove?
For complaints about tv commentators and their behavior you might want to complain straight to their bosses. Here are links to ABC, CBS, and NBC comment sites where you can email messages. (right click on link then click on Open Hyperlink)
http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3068843
http://www.nbc.com/Footer/Contact_Us/
http://www.cbs.com/info/user_services/fb_global_form.shtml
Just signing in really quick. just got conformation AZ flowers delivered
Take care all and be safe
Diva2
Hi Friend. Ditto to all you said in #242
To All: In one link above (don’t remember which), the article said hardcore Hillary supporters would be coming over to DNC and O in two months (that’s around August 3). So everyday from now through August 3rd, I’m going to find a place to legally hang PUMA fliers with tabs from Maryland PUMA and PUMA fliers from PA4Hill08.
To All: When do we receive our T-shirts?????
#246 utahpuma
Do more than complain to the networks. Tell them that you want to see Murphy on their station so that she can tell the nation how many PUMA’s are not falling in line.
(click on link then click on Open Hyperlink)
http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3068843
http://www.nbc.com/Footer/Contact_Us/
http://www.cbs.com/info/user_services/fb_global_form.shtml
I believe that the people should choose the President, no one else, I don’t give a damn about special interest groups, I care about our rights as Americans when choosing our President.
We need to count votes and only votes, not super-delegates who think they can choose for us! It’s outrageous that the votes of the American people no longer matter, all that matters to the powers that be is how much money they are going to get out of it. You pay, things go your way. It’s out and out buying votes, its bribery, that is illegal. Legalities don’t seem to matter to my party anymore, so we as citizens must educate them. We wont stand for this corruption in congress and the senate. NO MORE!!!
Good Lord, the American people need to take our country back, we need to take charge of those we vote into office, police them, make them accountable. We did not vote for Obama to represent our party, the DNC did. I want my country back from the powers that be.
Sorry, it makes me so angry, that they can walk all over us, and do it with a smile. I want them out of office. Dean, Pelosi, Brazile, they don’t deserve a paycheck from the American people, neither do the super-delegates, BO is paying them enough!
Can we fire the people we hired to represent us? We are the boss in a sense right? They are there to serve us, and if they are not doing that to the satisfaction of the American people, cant we fire them?
One Love
Your laugh for the day
Doesn’t BHO look A LOT like the dude on the cover of MAD MAGAZINE?
Hmmm wonder if I can mock up a magazine cover…..
Maryland PUMA
Yes, he does. Thought of that months ago. Please do a Obama “makeover”
Keith Olberman was once a much watched show here in our house. NO MORE. He began to disrespect Hillary about the first of February. I have refused to watch him ever since he started to sound like Chris Matthews.
I have Olberman’s book of his ‘special commentaries’ I have decided to send it back to the Publisher and demand a refund. Anyone else who has books written by anyone at MSNBC or by any of the inner circle of the DNC should do the same.
If we all refuse to allow them to get away with this nasty behavoir, maybe we can change the system a little bit.
Dances with Pumas(#232)
With all due respects I say no. Socializing is not what the focus of PUMA should be about.
good afternoon, PUMAS! I have been very busy at work, but checking my personal email I received one from the Human Right Campaign asking to support *61, I got so upset that I unsubscribed from their list and canceled any support. this was my response.
Hi,
I just canceled my subscription because of the email I received today asking to support Barack Obama. As a Hillary Clinton Supporter, and PUMA Democrat, I can not contribute to this fraud.
I have been very proud to be part of the HRC family, but this goes against my own principles.
If you are subscribed to HRC, let’s all tell them our feelings too !!
Have a great one, let me get back to work!! LOL
or maybe Urkel?
#251 Maryland,
Check this out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK-zN8h5VuM
At work, can’t watch videos… frustrating.
I want to say something about actions speaking louder than words. Our efforts to date may have been kitten steps, but they are increasing in intensity, volume, and distance. Some of us are new at this, and we are trying to channel our passion and frustration in the right direction. Reading the blogs and all of your wonderful insights and commentary are nourishing those of us who have needed the boost. Not all of us can march, take legal action, or shout from the rooftops, but our input and our research and our money is part of the infrastructure of this movement.
The flowers were a symbol–an icon representing a statement of breaking the mold…not just some pretty trinket for someone’s desk. And it wasn’t just spare change–it cost more than a tank of gas for me by the time they added delivery charge–and I gladly paid it and would do so again. Communication comes in many forms.
Three weeks ago all I did was scream at the TV. Now I write letters to senators, send organizations money, make up flyers, and read more commentary on politics than I ever thought I would. I am re-educating myself, and this site and these wonderful people here have helped me get to this point.
I’m writing a letter to my city’s newspaper editor now and will print out Spanish flyers for the Hispanic community that is growing in my neighborhood. I will post the others in appropriate places as well and hope they aren’t torn down.
Take nothing for granted. This PUMA movement is evolving–into many forms of stealthy cats.
For those of you with more clout, more brain, more connections–we applaud you and we support you and we will grow in numbers behind you.
BUT, Dances with wolves:
We can all socialize in the form of a celebration after the election goes to McCain or something of greater value.
For now keep your eye on the prize of true democracy by not letting the DNC get away with fascism lite.
I just received a email my Indiana roses are on their way.
Yahoo is not paying attention, their poll and story below;
http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-clinton-supporters
#245 MaBe
I noticed the “equal positive/negative time” ploy a long time ago. I kept watching CNN throughout the primaries because I wanted to witness with my own eyes how disrespectful they were to Hillary and not just rely on hearsay. I’m glad now that I stuck it out and watched their coverage every night, from start to finish. I can testify firsthand that they were disgracefully sexist towards Hillary and biased in favor of Obama, with the notable exception of Lou Dobbs, whose program I still watch nightly.
And you are right– CNN is now targeting McCain in the same manner. McCain’s people had better get cracking. I’m not a McCain supporter, but we can already see the MSM taking aim at him. They are determined to give Obama a free ride all the way. Karl Rove, Ralph Nader, Lou Dobbs, and whoever else had better sharpen their knives and be on their game.
NYCgirl
Just made another donation to PUMA PAC. Will try to get more in by July 20.
Lin4Hill – How eloquent and moving!! #259
I needed your words today. Thanks a million.
I read Hillary’s email “something I want to say”
This was my response to her. I had to let her know personally, that I do not support Obama.
“I will always support you Hillary – but I cannot and will not ever support Obama. It has nothing to do with you two having similar policies, it has to do with trust. I do not trust Obama. There is something about that man that I just can’t let go of. There are many of us Hillary supporters that feel the same way.
Do you truly believe he is the best man for the job? I for one do not. My vote will be for McCain. (unless something changes for you come August)”
Donation made to PUMA for $25.00….I’m getting there! More on the way next week!
#255 oscarp,
No, say it isn’t so! I haven’t checked my email yet, but if I have the HRC email, I too will unsubcribe. I also will cancel the monthly donation to them that comes out of my checking account. How could they support him when he was parading around with McClurkin in SC?
I’m going to bring it up again because posts sometimes get overlooked. In #218 I suggested we add a demand in our letters to SDs and media that BO produce a birth certificate WITH seal before the convention. It could be an action letter to SDs and media. He could have it in easily less than a month. Pelosi for VP? Could be if he’s not legit!
Hi Murphy, please check your email.
#259 Lin4Hill
That made me cry
bythelake #262
Exactly what I read and commented on in #248. It seems at times that O is taking over the whole world. It’s a revolution of sorts. I talked about it on last night’s late night thread. I’ll try to find it.
# 259 Well said I feel the same we should all do what we can and what feel is right for us.
Does anyone here still belong to moveon.org? I cancelled my membership there a while ago. When they asked why, one of the standard questions on the list was about their support of Obama. I concluded that they lost a good number of members because of that endorsement.
We all need to look at our other affiliations and quit any group that is against Hillary or is not for reform of the party. That message would resonate, it seems to me.
And send back all the pundits’ books. Keith Olberman and Chris Matthews both have written books in the last couple of years. Send anything you have from these people who disrespected Hillary, either to the publisher, or to the author.
#273 Henerietta,
I cancelled my MoveOn membership the day they endorsed BO.
A clever thought?
I was just thinking… if by some chance fate waved its huge hand and Hillary gets the nomination at the convention instead of HBO, she could start her acceptance speech by declaring, “ladies and gentlemen, it’s SHOWTIME”.
(I wonder if anyone will get it)
Hello everyone i just wanted to share somthing i left on the last thread i dont know if all of you have got a chance to read but some really interesting stuff on who bho has had for mentors and friends this came from a group that is investagating obama on may 22 2008 this is thier report please go to tis site and read when you can !!!!!!!!!
http://www.usasurvival.org
the report from cliff kencaid and herbert Robertien
omg this guy is worse than we even know we must keep him and his thugs out of the White House !!!!
I just called Arlen Spector’s office and asked about a hearing before the Judiciary Committee regarding the DNC Rules Committee. Apparently, the Chair person would be Sen. Leahy who would call for an investigation since the Dems have the majority; however, from what I understand, Hillary is not pushing for this as I’m sure they will villify her. Wonder if we should all call Leahy’s office and bombard him to hold an investigation. Can someone come up with something we can send him other than a band-aid? Looks like they do not want our girl to be the nominee. I’m still praying for a huge bombshell.
#251 I was thinking more like touche turtle….remember him?
# 218 Taffy—I totally agree with you, what is the big problem producing a valid birth certificate? I would also think the big television stations or big newspapers would be asking the same.
I will email some of the bigger newspapers and ask them why they cant look into this? That this is something that the American people want settled. What is the big deal, why is he trying to pass off a reproduction he got from photo-bucket? Is his father listed as Muslim as he has been denying, or is he Arab? What is he afraid of, wasn’t he born in the U.S.? I don’t think so.
One Love
To my fellow Pumas who mourn the show of unity Hillary must now provide, I offer this …
I like to look at this as though I were a fiction writer who understands that great stories demand great conflict. Great stories demand that the heroine be continually beset with seemingly insurmountable obstacles, each one bigger and tougher than the one before it, until finally it appears that all is lost. Then, and only then, can the writer allow the heroine to emerge victorious and provide the audience with the most delicious and satisfying ending possible.
This is still Act II, dear Pumas, not Act III. And in Act II, things must still get worse before they can get better. Our heroine Hillary fought valiantly during a difficult primary season, and yet she failed to secure the nomination. So now, the plot thickens. Now our heroine Hillary must do the heretofore unthinkable and infiltrate enemy territory. It’s a more daring and precarious plan that she has undertaken before, but her options are few.
Key to her success is convincing the evil Nobama and his ilk that she supports him wholeheartedly. But her loyal Pumas know better. So do our allies in other camps. It’s a ruse. It’s a diversion. It’s 18 million cracks in a glass ceiling through which we can slip in and attack. It is a brilliant plan, dear Pumas.
Like you, I fear for our heroine Hillary in the clutches of the evil Nobama. But we must remain brave and stalwart Pumas. We must do the things that our heroine Hillary cannot do now.
Sadly, not all of us can march on Denver. Not all of us have the resources to help pay down Hillary’s debt. Not all of us are gifted at writing letters and emails. But by pooling our energies and resources, we can do great things. Together, we are invincible.
And now dear Pumas, I must get back to work. ‘Tis not fiction that awaits me today, but two nonfiction projects that cannot help pay the bills until they are complete and published. Carry on.
#30 Middle Aged Female
Loved your letter to Strickland. I have drafted one of my own (spent formative years in Ohio and family is still there — I visit often) and wish to email — did you use the email address off our PUMA PAC spreadsheet — it’s an odd looking eddress …? Pls advise!
Also, great Fox & Friends interview yesterday, Murphy! Makes me proud to be affliated with PUMAPac! And LOVE the Unity message for today!
Rock On!!!
#259, very sincere, straight from the heart….
#254 maxgrader:
My post wasn’t about socializing, I was quoting Fred.
My follow-on post was / is a request that we include a brief synopsis with the links to articles, sites, YouTube videos we post, to assist in minimizing the repetion of blindly clicking links to articles, etc. that many of us have already read.
In reference to #271
Here’s my late night (last night) response to some comments about PUMA being checked out on a regular basis by the opposition:
I have no doubt that Hillary and everyone else in all the campaigns know about Murphy and PUMA. And I have no doubt that they are watching us carefully to see if we can hold it together for much longer. I’m not planning on going anywhere and I hope that I can kick back some day in the future and tell all my Democratic friends, “I told you so.” I remember reading the book by Tip O’Neil, All Politics is Local, and its so true. We all have to start making the changes locally. Every time something comes out in your hometown newspaper or at a political event, that’s where we have to be . That’s why I started to send out the action items here on PUMA blog to the local Party chairs and the state Party chairs. The best thing we can do for Hillary is organize for the “long haul” (four years or more). We won’t change things all at once, but we will change things over time. That’s why this has all happened with the Democratic Party. The pendulum has changed way to far to the left in reaction to the far right of the last 30 years beginning with Reagan. Remember, Clinton had an ultra conservative Congress for the best part of his Presidential years. Now it seems that we will have the two branches of government taken over by the far left. There’s no more health in that than there is to what it has been for the last 14 years of all Republican and 2 years of a do nothing Democratic Congress. Moderation happens over time and PUMA has to be there to make that happen over time. Are you all ready to still be standing and blogging here in 2012? That’s what it going to take and the O campaign and Deany and his partners don’t think we’ll stay long enough. I’ve already seen some leave since I came on and I was one of the first 200 bloggers on this site. That’s human nature. There’s always someone to take our place.
#273 Henerietta
Love the idea of sending back books or articles of Keith and Chris, but I don’t think I bought any.
repetition
I just called Leahy’s office and left a message on his comment line as to why he is not holding an investigation into the fraud of the DNC Rules Committee regarding Obama’s coronation. I also told him that we needed Patrick Fitzgerald to investigate him as he is one of the enablers.
Write a Letter, Call, or Visit
Washington office
SEN PATRICK LEAHY
433 Russell Senate Office Bldg
(at Constitution and Delaware)
United States Senate
Washington, DC 20510
(202) 224-4242
Burlington office
199 Main Street, 4th Floor
Burlington, VT 05401
(802) 863-2525
1-800-642-3193
Montpelier office
P.O. Box 933
87 State Street, Room 338
Montpelier, VT 05602
(802) 229-0569
Oil prices hit new record, DOW down 358 NASDAQ down 80. The economy is scary. Where are the hopes?
http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/
Tom In Paine-he has a conversation with an Obama supporter-asks the OS why he supports Obama
I feel Hillary has been tortured so badly just by looking at her eyes. That makes me hate the DNC leaders like Pelosi, and other ones more. I also emailed Keith Olbermann’s producer Phil Griffin:
“Down with Keith Olbermann! Tell Keith Olbermann to get rid of his childhood hang-ups, love his mother more. Keith Olbermann should be locked in a room to think good things about his mother!’
http://www.18millionvoices.blogspot.com/
if you are interested in the march in Denver-this is the site to go to- planning meetings scheduled in a number of states
Firebelle
Keep writing the play. Fantastic. Thanks.
Candidates React to Supreme Court’s Gun Ruling
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/26/candidates-react-to-supreme-courts-gun-ruling/
Factoids
1)the medias think we are a herd a sheeps – False
2)the medias think they can manipulate, counter manipulate as if we were a bunch of play station zombies – False we see B—T when we see it
3)The medias think that Pumas won’t have the guts to finish what they started. False. We will.
4)the democratic party think that we are all turncoats.False. Pumas are united and will only unite with true Democrats, no Obamabots.
5)Hillary Clinton was the best possible candidate. TRUE
6)BHO has not said one thing to even get me close to ever vote for him .TRUE
7)BHO stole Hillary Clinton ideas during the primaries campaign. TRUE
8)Pumas will not contribute a penny to OB or affiliates. TRUE
9)The democratic congress is doing something about fixing the economy. False
10)OB can be trusted. False
11)is the Dow jones down 358 points. True
12)we need and Trust Hillary Clinton TRUE.
#119 58states1
I could have written your post! EXACTLY! I am an independent voter, so I have no problem voting for McCain. Well, kinda because I want to vote for Hillary, but. I always told my dad (diehard Republican) it was either Hillary or McCain. NEVER Obama. So, needless to say, my dad is happy at the moment. I still hope for a miracle. Hillary is SO READY. Ok enough before I get all worked up!
Good Afternoon PUMAS!
I was just checking in to let you all know that I’m donating $25 to PUMA today. Also, I was wanting to know where can I order buttons, braclets, bumper stickers, and window clings? If any of you know who I need to talk to, please post here or email me at mpayton23@yahoo.com. I want to have something visible to show my support for this great cause. I’ve been asking for a few days now, and have had no response.
I know that I can get through to several people here in West Virginia. There are so many supporters that don’t even have computers, nevertheless, the internet. I would like to have a check-off list of addresses and telephone numbers so that people can write and call their government officials, media outlets, and the DNC. I think that each state could do this. I also think that we could start by sending these lists to local senior centers and placing them on their community bulletin board. Most of the senior centers have a computer center so that seniors can be active while they are there or they can write the information and contact them by snail mail and by telephone. What do you all think?
Melissa P.
Wayne County, WV
PUMA Democrat
#290
Marc Rubin at his best!
thank you daddys darlin. I really feel this is a place we can hit. The sds won’t want to look like fools if he’s an “illegitimate” nominee. His ego is so big he will just laugh it off and make millions on another book. Meanwhile our country will go into chaos.
My apologies to you DanceswithWolves; I should have comprehended better.
#191 kids1627 on 06.26.08 at 2:49 pm
Hillary did win if you count Fl. and MI
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And if you remove the dead people who voted for Obama – whoever said dead men don’t lie was sadly mistaken
wall street just hit lowest level in 2 years. Oil highest price ever.
Hannity is talking about Puma/justsayno/etc right now on radio
your honest opinion…
How many of you truly feel McCain can win in November?
Posted at TaylorMarsh~ We are getting attention. This is her introduction analysis for a current post there today. I copied the part where it seems to me that she is talking to us PUMAS. For the full article, you can go there and read it. Wanted to quickly pass this part on to you guys. BTW, afternoon all!
~J
———————————————————
It’s been ugly.
Some Hillary supporters have unfortunately chosen the petulant mode, wherein they decided that sticking it to Obama no matter the cost for the country is the appropriate response for Clinton not prevailing. Obama’s done wrong! Sexism! (No kidding.) Hillary was wronged! We’ll fight all the way… to irrelevance. So be it. I’ve been involved in politics long enough to know that people with a grudge can never be convinced of anything. They’re in it to feed their anger, slapping a bumper sticker over it to convince themselves they’re fighting out of principle.
That said, people trying to demonize Obama, especially on the web, have missed what’s happened and lost the moment. The storyline has moved on. The big game has begun. Nobody is listening. Causing a ruckus is always possible, but the work ahead is too critical and difficult, the outcome to unsure, to worry about the rabble.
Hillary is about to join Obama to make history. Nothing can change it now as it stands
phil.griffin@msnbc.com
Anyone have a better address? My letter bounced.
Lisa
Howard Dean, what a loser. Good, I guess our lack of contributions have gotten to them. HEEHEE.
I think what they meant was a 48 State Plan….
Maybe BO can lend them one of his. Before long I might need it!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/26/usa.creditcrunch
#196 BigCatLover
The governing body would be responsible for “protecting” your rights. This would be Michigan and Florida via their AG’s.
The reason previous lawsuits were tossed out was simply due to aguing the wrong point. The point is the elections are governed by the states since the states pay for them. The DNC has not authority to throw out votes. It’s just that simple.
Contact the AG’s of Florida and Michigan.
i absoulutely believe MCCAIN WILL WIN in NOVEMBER.
I am not even worried about it. I am already PLANNING ON HILLARY 2012!! WOOHOO!
I suspect the AG’s and courts are taking a hands off approach because they don’t want to be seen as biased. If that is the case, then those individuals need to be thrown out of office.
What is today’s daily growl? I don’t see it in the action center. I only see yesterday’s.
#286 ladyhawkke
Interesting comment from someone in a Senator’s office. Do you think they meant PF is an enabler because he has not indicted BO in connection to Rezko who was prosecuted by PF?
#303~ His VP choice will be the biggest deciding factor on the outcome. But for the most part, this is still way TOO early. Like I said yesterday, we have just opened the curtain to the second act of a very long play. But, his VP choice is very important.
281 chicagoroadrunner on 06.26.08 at 4:24 pm #30 “Middle Aged Female
Loved your letter to Strickland. I have drafted one of my own (spent formative years in Ohio and family is still there — I visit often) and wish to email — did you use the email address off our PUMA PAC spreadsheet — it’s an odd looking eddress …? Pls advise!
Also, great Fox & Friends interview yesterday, Murphy! Makes me proud to be affliated with PUMAPac! And LOVE the Unity message for today!
Rock On!!!”
My letter actually went to Rendell in PA. And I got his info on his website,
#305 LisaNC
Try one of these:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10285339/
http://newslink.org/nett.html
Kempion
Welcome back. Please see my question to you in post #196 and reply. I’m curious.
Jeremy:
I have yet to use the word idiot on this site of honor, but Taylor Marsh is asking for it.
She’s has a Hillary Clinton mindset and can’t think for herself but will criticize those with conviction. For now I’ll continue to ignore her, not judge.
Pity too. I used to respect her somewhat.
I appreciate all of you who have visited my blog, vote in the polls and even read and commented on my blogs!
I went from dominating the polls to losing to McCain., but the race is still on!
Visit http://kempion.blogspot.com/ if you would like to contribute to the polls (throw me a bone, would ya?) or comment on my blog entries.
Ever Forward, America!
That’ll be wonderful if we all put big “zero” on OB’s contribution form and send it to him, because on-line version has to have credit card #. Am I stupid to let them steal my account #?
#301 bythelake
I, too, still get emails from the DNC and Obama. I love it. I use every email as an excuse to write back and say, “No way, pal.” It’s a wonder they continue to email me.
I noticed that the Lifetime (woman’s channel) has a number of commercials about women’s issues, domestic violence, breast cancer, etc.
It couldn’t hurt to send an email to Lifetime and ask if they would do a free gratis ad (see #305)
#237 big cat lover
thank you for that. i was just doing what seemed to me to be important to alot of people. i’m sorry if it bothered anyone. sometimes people do need a feel good moment and for many this seemed to be it for them and i don’t see anything wrong with that. if everything is doom and gloom all of the time that gets old really fast. Have a good day.
Kempion
Sorry, I stepped away from my computer for awhile and did not see your previous answer to me. But, again did you contact the AGs office?
from TaylorMarsh to trailer trash
Why hasn’t Obama told Dean that he ha 57 states to donate money. Must be good to be king! lol
I know I’m full of questions today….
just curious – Does anyone here think our economy will get better soon or in the I hope no so far future?
Gas prices need to go down….
“#324 HP Boston on 06.26.08 at 4:55 pm Why hasn’t Obama told Dean that he ha 57 states to donate money. Must be good to be king! lol”
Actually, BO was referring to 60 states. He said he had been to 57, had one more to go, and he was unable to go to Hawaii and Alaska.
317 maxgrader on 06.26.08 at 4:52 pm
On the same page with you max. I was a regular from the time of the New Hampshire Primary until the end of May when she began the 180. I don’t like to judge either, but I do like to point out hypocrisy that parallels those of Barack. Thanks for your view.
for those interest: http://www.taylormarsh.com for the entire post and when you have time listen to this podcast from late March/early April.
http://www.taylormarsh.com/podcast_archives.php
~J
Jeremy…#304…Taylor Marsh and many others have totally missed the point. They think it’s a matter of being sore losers. What they fail to acknowledge is the erosion of our democracy, the manipulation of the media, discrimination in the form of sexism. I could go on. All of us on this site and others know what I am talking about. I would love to support Mr. Presumptive and the Dems, but I can’t. I just can’t. The DNC is broken. Mr. Presumptive is the wrong candidate. I won’t fall in line.
what the media isn’t getting is that for a lot of people this was the first time they took part in the democratic process for any number of reasons. And then to find that democracy doesn’t really exist? It’s like they are being called fools for believing in this country.
#196 BigCatLover
I have contacted both AGs. I have not received any responses yet. This could be do to any number of reason: they receive a lot of emails, they dismiss emails containing arguments about teh DNC vote count, are outclassed by an average joe like me and won’t respond, or simply adopt a “who the hell is this average joe trying tell me how to do my job?” attitude.
My aurgment is sound. Was not Bush v Gore based solely on counting votes? Yes, it was. Back then the argument was about what constituted the “intent of a voter and a preganant chad versus bring an end to the counting.
Granted that was a general election and we are focused on a primary here. However, there is no legal seperation when the states are paying the costs for the election. State-sanction = State protected.
As for a class-action lawsuit, you would ahve to file on behalf of a resident of eiter state and demonstrate how their vote was not counted. That is a challenge to do if you think only in one dimension; however, if two voters who registered adn signed in at their polls were to file, they could easily claim that one of their votes were not counted – as only half of the votes were accepted by the DNC thus violating the 15th Amendment rights of the voters.
I’m not a lawyer, but I know how to think rationally. If you can come up with a lawyer (who will want to be paid up front), then you might have a chance. Got $500 and an attorney in mind?
maybe we need some aug. fools day cards for the dems
#303 rlp33
Sure John McCain can win in November. People do not want to vote Republican again, but those who support BO have mostly already been counted in the primaries. The rest are not convinced and those who are wobbling toward BO can be dissuaded in the next few months. My conversations with people are that they think to end the war and get rid of the Bush anticonstitutional moves, they have to vote Democrat, but many are only lukewarm to BO.
Kempion
Thanks for giving some clarification. Since I’m not a resident of either state, I was wondering if any attention would be paid to my request for an investigation.
I want to elaborate further on my post #327. The podcast is important for one to listen to when judging credibility. In the world of podcasts, youTubes, facebooks, et. al….a person is accountable for what they say, what they do, and if you are in the business of promoting an agenda with hopes of convincing those that are listening to you, you don’t toss them out when you hit a bumpy road. When I went to get this podcast, TM had scrubbed it from her archives. I had to email and ask for the link. I would not be surprised if it has not be edited or altered from the original.
#55 58states1 on 06.26.08 at 12:06 pm, WROTE,
[[ It is important for us to point out as often and as much as we can that this is bigger than Hillary, than us, and it is not about needing to vent or being bitter. If the system’s broke, why should we pretend it isn’t and keep on going? ]]
The entire Primary System is broken and for both parties and for the following reasons:
- Our founding fathers never intended for a 2-party system.
- Our Constitution does not mention Conventions. They slowly evolved to what they are today, media events.
- Our Constitution does not mention Primaries or Caucuses, they too evovling and by way of tradition.
- Both the DNC and the RNC are not covered under our US Constitution.
- Primaries and Caucuses are up to each individual state, and I think there should be ONE FEDERAL LAW covering all Poltical Parties.
- The system is broken because it is ruled by the governing organizations (i.e. the DNC and the RNC) of each party and the people have very little to do with the process making. It’s all about party elites and delegates.
- The system is broken because WE THE PEOPLE ARE are locked out of the process.
- The system is broken because they take the money from WE THE PEOPLE ARE and then are not given any representation within the party’s process.
- The system is broken because WE THE PEOPLE do not have a voice in the party’s process… we do not have a vote, for example. I am not talking about the primaries and caucuses here, but something akin to a DELEGATE VOTE…. for just plain old ordinary voters.
- The DNC system is broken because they do not properly VET their candidates before installing them on the campaign trail.
- The system is broken because WE THE PEOPLE ought to be fighting for an AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION to inlcude our voices. And by that I do mean, to make an amendment that follows the principles of the General Election (which is in our Constitution).
WE THE PEOPLE, need a *unified* federal law of a one person, one vote sytem for the Primaries as well as for the General Election.
IOW, the primaries are FLAWED.
Well said CTKEY.
You, Jeremy and the like are what this country needs more of. If there are enough hopefully they will all show up on November 4.
Had Obama proven himself worthy then he fairly could have been considered for the next president. Turns out, though, he is a phony supported by spineless minions who “selected” not elected him.
PUMAS are not spineless. We are here to roar for democracy and to pounce on those who would try and take it away in ANY form.
#298 maxgrader:
I don’t dance with wolves… I dance with PUMAs
#333 BigCatLover
Barring an outbreak of discontnet in one or both of the affected states, the AGs aren’t going to do anything. They are, for the most part, political appointees (even if elected) and don’t want to risk their careers on doing the right thing.
Sometimes, doing the right thing can cost you everything.
And another poll exaggeration. They make it sound like we’re ‘flocking’ to O again. ‘Most Clinton supporters back Obama’ – ‘Most’ here means 53%, so that still leaves about 8.5 million unconvinced. I’m so not impressed.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080626/ap_on_el_pr/ap_yahoo_poll_clinton_voters
Uh oh, another one goes under the bus:
Easy come, easy go.
No sooner than Global Labor blogged here and here about the role of Mike Klonsky in the Obama campaign, former Weather Underground leader Bill Ayers’ longtime comrade-in-arms from their days in SDS to the Chicago School Wars they fought in the 80s and 90s alongside Barack Obama, and presto he’s gone.
As of [Wednesday] evening, Klonsky is no longer blogging on the Barack Obama for President website.
In fact, it’s like he was never there.
Does this remind anyone of something?
http://www.pundita.blogspot.com/
#314 Middle Aged Female
Oops! Got too excited reading your letter — started thinking of Strickland. Thanks for the inspiration and the info. I went to Gov Strickland’s site and here is the letter I emailed to him. Go Pumas!
June 26, 2008
Dear Governor Strickland,
I wish to express my gratitude to you for supporting Hillary Clinton throughout the Ohio primary. I was proud that the state of my formative years overwhelmingly voted for Mrs. Clinton. Although I live in Illinois, many members of my family live in Ohio, so I visit often keeping an eye on Ohio local and national politics.
Growing up a Democrat in a family of Republicans provided an excellent environment for political education. This is where I wish to share my education with you: Although I have overwhelmingly voted Democrat my entire voting life, I shall not vote Democrat in this presidential campaign if Barack Obama is the party nominee, as my country takes precedence over party affiliation.
Having lived in the Chicago-area for the past 15 years, I know how highly regarded and well liked Mr. and Mrs. Obama are here. However, I have always felt uneasy about lending my support to Mr. Obama. As his resume and background are more closely researched and disclosed, I find that thousands of democrats, nay, millions of democrats feel as do I that this potential party nominee lacks the background, the insight and oversight, the judgment and character and maturity to be the Democratic nominee, let alone the President of the United States of America.
I am now actually embarrassed for the first time in my adult life that I have overwhelmingly voted Democrat throughout my life. However, I did have a party proud moment when you said you would not run on the ticket with Mr. Obama if asked. Frankly, my Republican family members thought highly of you, too, for stating this. But, working to get Democrats to support this candidate lowers your stature not only in the eyes of the growing millions of democrats uniting to defeat Mr. Obama, but also in the eyes of my Republican family members and their Democrat friends who are appalled and beside themselves that their Governor would help this candidate win Ohio.
You know better than I of the rich and wonderful history the state of Ohio has played in the role of our nation’s presidency. I ask you to please keep this in mind – as are your constituents – during this election season. Although I cannot begin to understand the difficult position you are in as the party leadership en masse has displayed disheartening characteristics to their own, please envision the grave situation our country will find itself in if someone who lacks the courage to vote on tough issues, who finds it difficult to directly answer tough questions, who fabricates and flip flops on issues tiny to grave, is placed in the most important position of our country and world.
Respectfully,
XXXXXXXXXXX
P.U.M.A. PAC Democrat, Ohio Native, Illinois Resident
DancesWithPumas
Maxgrader does seem to have a comprehension problem…Sorry maxgrader couldn’t resist. We all read fast and write fast on here and make the same mistake.
McCain can win. He needs to hit Obama hard, and hopefully not be a gentlman about it. His base is just not there, but they need to realize if not him then they get Bo. I know a few repubs who dont like McCain so that might vote Bo, to be a part of history. I wish he would get started while all this rawness is out there. But I am sure he is waiting he waiting til Sept.
First, hello everybody!
Second, a couple of suggestions:
Murphy – do you think it would be a good idea to make the ACTION page(s) more visible? It seems to be tucked away and hard to find, which gives the impression that it is not that important (while it is the MOST important).
Everyone – does everyone think it would be a good idea to put “ACTION” at the top of any post that requests action from fellow members, or states an action that you have taken that others may want to take also?
We need some way for people who get home from work with 900 posts to read (like I did yesterday!) a way to quickly get to requested actions if they do not have time at the moment to read all of the posts. P.S. NOT AT ALL complaining on the number of posts. I am hoping soon that it will 9000!
48 Kempion on 06.26.08 at 11:53 am, WROTE,
[[ Ok, was Obama born in Kenya?]]
No. He was born in Kansas, moved to Hawaii… was schooled in younger years in Indonesia… spent some time in Kenya… then went back to the US, got a college degree, spent some time in NY, and finally settled in Chicago Illinois, the place well suited for his political aspirations.
Good luck with the event tomorrow those of you who are going. I will never support Obama and am so disgusted with the DNC and the Democratic party that I just recently re-registered to vote as a Republican! After over 30 years as a registered Democrat I can’t believe that I have had to take this step. As I tell friends, though.. I didn’t leave my party.. my party left me…. and I do mean “left”.
No Home For Moderates in Today’s Political World!
If you are from TX please join me in sending hard copy letters to all the superdelegates who supported HC so they don’t change their votes. My plan is to send letters to them on a weekly basis. I will also outline new emerging information about BO in each letter. I can’t post a lot of links here, but I do have links to all their websites where you can find their contact info (if you’d like it you can write me at lara08pumadem@gmail.com). Here are those who committed to HC:
1.) Ruben Hinojosa
2.) Solomon Ortiz
3.) Gene Green
4.) Silvestre Reyes
5.) Sheila Jackson-Lee
6.) Henry Cuellar
7.) Jim Wright
8.) Norma Fisher Flores
9.) Sue Lovell
10.) David Stagle
11.) Ciro D. Rodriguez
12.) Robert Martinez – He gave his vote to HC late in the spring, see http://www.kvue.com/news/top/stories/050808kvuedelegate-bkm.db0cc1c9.html
13.) Jaime A. Gonzalez-He also gave his vote to HC late, see http://www.HillaryClinton.com/news/release/view/?id=7470
Uncommitted or gave late vote to BO:
1.) David Hardt
2.) Nicholas V. Lampson
3.) John Patrick
4.) Robert Strauss
These delegates do pay attention to these letters. I spoke to one who wanted to know how I felt about HC and BO. I told this person I would have to stay home in November if BO was the Democratic nominee. The delegates are under a lot of pressure right now because the media makes it seem as if BO is a done deal. They don’t want to stand out there alone supporting HC. At the very least the letters let them know millions of people support their choice to stick by HC. I will be contacting these people until the day they have to officially cast their vote at the convention in August.
Thanks,
Lara
You MUST read this! It is very disturbing.
An Obama mystery at state meet
By RICK CASEY
Texas Democratic Party Vice Chairwoman Roy LaVerne Brooks is a superdelegate who endorsed Barack Obama in March.
The longtime party activist from Fort Worth is also running to unseat current state party Chairman Boyd Richie.
Imagine her surprise Tuesday when she received a disturbing phone call from a national Obama operative who is part of a group that parachuted into Texas to work on this weekend’s state party convention.
Roy says the operative, Rudy Shank, told her that unless she drops her candidacy to unseat Richie at the state convention she will not be going to the national convention as a superdelegate.
http://130.80.29.3/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/casey/5808894.html
#345
Obama claims to have been born in Hawaii not Kansas. Actually has anyone ever heard or seen him make that claim? Has anyone read the books where he might make such a claim.
That is worrisome to me. Why would a candidate refuse to say “here is my birth certificate” unless there is something wrong with it.
Maybe the something is insignifcant in terms of eligibility by important politically, but it tells me he is hiding something.
Dog gone it, DancesWith Pumas… I was thinking of you with my right eye closed. I’m sorry.
May I simply call you DWP from now on?
#318 Goodcitizen I sent my contribution I put in all 0′s my credit card info was all made up not true I received a thank you for the contribution. Go figure
In Hawaii, his basketball schoolmates, nicknamed him, Barry-O-Bama.
He was born Barack Huisein Obama, but Barry was the name his mother or grandmother called him, I think. So it intrigues me that he should revert back to his father’s name since his father disserted him and his mother.
I have a question:
While in theory I believe in the $2300 contribution limit to a campaign, I was wondering how this is enforced in practice (in the real world).
What keeps someone who is maxed out from giving money (say as a “birthday present”) to a fellow campaign supporter (who has not maxed out) so that he/she can contribute it to the campaign?
Or is this what people are doing in real life and I am just now wondering about it?
oopse… a typo,
He was nicknamed, Barry-0-Bomber!
http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/search/label/Barry%20O%20Bomber
#???Big Cat Lover No, I made the comment to Leahy’s office that Patrick Fitzgerald should be investigating Leahy and the DNC because Leahy will not hold investigative hearings as Chair of the Judiciary Committee because he is an Obama supporter. Now I know why Dick Cheney told him to “go f… himself” on the senate floor. And I hate Cheney but he wouldn’t apologize, said it made him feel better. The Repubs have more guts, we had wimps like Kerry & Gore. The only one who stood up for herself was Hillary.
BigCatLover:
I deserved that. Not my fault though I was born of the less intelligent gender called man.
After watching the Will Bower youTube and with the incredible performance of Murphy yesterday, it would be awesome to see them both on the roundtable segment (if they still have it–I boycott CNN) on CNN. Like with Murphy yesterday and the moderator, the two that were questioning Will Bower seemed puzzled when the points were spoken about people actually having concerns with how the DNC and MSM scripted this process. It is like a “duh” expression on their faces.
Murphy, the source is New York Magazine (latest issue), page 89.
#354 ladyhawkke
Oh. OK.
#355—LOL
max
#355 maxgrader
We don’t go there on this site.
#352 thatswhattimeitis on 06.26.08 at 5:31 pm, WROTE,
[[ I have a question:
While in theory I believe in the $2300 contribution limit to a campaign, I was wondering how this is enforced in practice (in the real world).]]
Simple. You do what Mr O did. Instead of taking large donations from a major Lobby or company, you have them tell their constituents to send in INDIVIDUAL donations.
For those like us, you have each member of your family write a separate check.
Husband 2,300
Wife 2,300
Plus other family members
Note: I guess it would be up to individual groups to check and verify names, addresses and dates. I came across a web site that does that the other day, but forgot to get a bookmark.
By the way… I’m a big cat lover two. Her name is Cici and she disapproves of Obama too. I’m tempted on registering her as an honorary puma.
#348 MamaPuma
I always thought birth certificates were public record unless there is an adoption or something legal. I thought we had someone from Hawaii on Puma is there a way to find out if they are public record there and if so can some check it out.
#351 I thought I read that he was named Barack and he changed it to Barry and then changed it back to Barack? Could be wrong – sorry did not and do not plan on reading his books….but if I ever browse thru one I will see if I can come across where he says he was born.
SORRY but this does not sound right. Do we have a right of public record or by letter to whoever? to ask for certified verification of his paperwork needed to run for POTUS…..you would think ! But the way things have been ran so far I doubt everything that should be right or fair.
maxgrader, Fred
Please refer to the PUMA PAC Action Center for the organized activities.
I want to express a different opinion about this blog.
It is the only place that I get my news.
Some amount of ‘socializing’ as you call it is the glue that binds us together as a group. You might not need it but some others of us do. I benefit from it and I find reading others’ opinions on things extremely valuable. IMHO, this the forum for these activities. Also, I am more willing to stand by a friend than I am a stranger.
I ask that you allow us some leeway here in this blog.
The ACTION CENTER is the place for the dry business of action and each day’s activities. Perhaps you can work with Murphy to get your action items included there.
No intention of offending anyone. Just expressing my opinion.
Thank you for your consideration in this matter.
Your fellow PUMA.
#347 antifish
I plan on writing the columnist who wrote that article and will suggest that he ask Boyd Ritchie why he decided to endorse BO. I was under the impression that he did it because the BO camp promised that he would do fundraising in TX for Dems. Isn’t that a form of a bribery?
ABCnews has an electoral map that you can do your own 2008 predictions on. I made them all red and emailed them to NoName at his web site with this message:
Here’s one thing you can’t change!
#361 cosmetaSimple wrote:
{{ You do what Mr O did. Instead of taking large donations from a major Lobby or company, you have them tell their constituents to send in INDIVIDUAL donations.
For those like us, you have each member of your family write a separate check.
Husband 2,300
Wife 2,300
Plus other family members}}
Got it – so no one is really ever “maxed out”.
#363 re: birth certificate…I’m glad we’re staying on this issue. It’s been bugging me for the longest time. So far, I’ve seen three different versions of it. It just doesn’t add up.
#362 maxgrader
I have one of those too. Her name is Squidgie. If you think about that and you’re above a certain age, it should tip you off to what my name is.
Ooops, did it again. A senior moment, if you will, of spelling too the two way. My comprehension is off today.
Forgive me I need a cat nap.
I also think Murphy would be thankful if I stop posting for a while and not waste broadband on correcting myself so often.
Back to the cave I go.
Action Alert!
The new two-day Daily Growl is now posted in the Action Center at:
http://pumapacusa.org/growls/growls.html
Keep up the good work Pumas!
#347 antifish
Oh no, I am getting that really sick to my stomach feeling. This is getting scary. Does anyone know if there has been a comparison of Hitler’s rise to “fame” and noname’s? I imagine if they were chronicled, they would be similar.
On the upside, he continues to get alot of people angry at his tactics and hopefully this keeps happening. It’s alot different running Chicago politics in Chicago vs. an entire country.
Thank you all for the research you do for us.
diva2
363 1of18MilforHill08 on 06.26.08 at 5:38 pm
and others regarding the birth certficate. I have seen that “TexasDarlin” (sp) is researching this almost 24/7 and has her own blog/website. (correct me if I am wrong) But consider this: Sean Hannity made the point last week that Barack would not pass the security background check that the FBI or CIA uses, but is a potential presidential candidate. During lunch today, a friend of mine pointed that out. Unreal.
Take care BigCatLover.
As for the Action v. Socializing – I see both points.
Although I wouldn’t call it “socializing”, more like “sharing information”.
One idea is in #344, but others may have better ideas to satisfy both sides
United We Stand
Tweety thinks the minute Hillary tells us to get in line we will I am here because I am mad as hell at the DNC and I am worried that if we don’t take a strong stand against this mortal sin they have commited against us that the furture of our elections and country are at stake. I will be voting for any one but Obama. And the DNC “can just get over it.”
See the Action Alert page
Wow, one of the organizers says he has received 100 emails asking about attending the NH event. Great start. The rest of us can do as requested in our own areas.
This from GLEN BECK on CNN ticker saying that he WILL NOT vote for Obama… I am posting below too, in case the link is gone from Cnn. http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/25/beck.conservatives/index.html
Commentary: Obama no, McCain maybe Story Highlights
Glenn Beck says he won’t vote for Obama but may not vote for McCain either
I’m a conservative, not a Republican, Beck says
Beck says that because a political party says it stands for something doesn’t make it true
Glenn Beck says he won’t vote for Obama but may not vote for McCain, either.
NEW YORK (CNN) — A lot of people don’t believe it, but the truth is that I really don’t know whom I’m going to vote for this November. It won’t be Barack Obama — he and I simply disagree on too many fundamental issues — but it also may not be John McCain.
As much as the media and the analysts try to pigeon-hole people as having only one political ideology, the fact is that most people (at least, most “real” people), don’t fit neatly into one predetermined set of political beliefs.
I’m no exception. Although I am a “conservative,” I’m not a “Republican,” and there’s a big difference. A true Republican, or a true Democrat, is someone who puts their party above their principles and their candidate above their conscience.
But most of us (or at least those of us who live outside the Beltway) aren’t like that. We’re more like the mad scientist Frankenstein: We’d like to take a piece of this candidate, a touch of that one and a little slice of the one over there, mash it all together and create someone who’s lines up perfectly with our values and beliefs.
Which brings me back to John McCain. Like Obama, McCain and I have fundamental differences on a host of important issues. Sure, I disagree with him less than I do with Obama, but is that really the standard we should use in choosing their candidate? Our country isn’t a reality show where we simply elect whoever’s left after all the backstabbing and lying is finished.
Is it?
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On my radio program, I talk a lot about voting for your values. But as time goes by, we all tend to get buried in the minutiae of campaigns and lose sight of those things. Day after day, the media and analysts feed us stories that line us up against each other like armies getting ready for battle. Standing in the middle isn’t an option, so people tend to take a side, even if they don’t feel completely comfortable there.
The only way out of that trap is to try to define what it is you really stand for and believe in. After all, how can you say that Obama or McCain reflects your values if you don’t even know what those values are?
Chances are that your definition will slant heavily to the values advertised by one of the parties. That’s fine, but keep in mind that just because a party says they stand for something doesn’t mean it’s true.
After all, the Republicans said they stood for smaller government, but the size of our government grew enormously under a Republican president and a Republican majority in Congress. Democrats said they stood for an end to the war in Iraq, but for better or worse, nearly two years after taking over Congress, they don’t even have a timetable for withdrawal.
My point is that actions speak louder than words. The “R” and the “D” don’t matter if the people we elect don’t follow through on their promises.
So what are my core values, the things that I refuse to compromise on? To figure that out, I decided to try to define what I think a conservative really believes.
A conservative believes that our inalienable rights do not include housing, healthcare or Hummers.
A conservative believes that our inalienable rights DO include the pursuit of happiness. That means it is guaranteed to no one.
A conservative believes that those who pursue happiness and find it have a right to not be penalized for that success.
A conservative believes that there are no protections against the hardship and heartache of failure. We believe that the right to fail is just as important as the chance to succeed and that those who do fail learn essential lessons that will help them the next time around.
A conservative believes in personal responsibility and accepts the consequences for his or her words and actions.
A conservative believes that real compassion can’t be found in any government program.
A conservative believes that each of us has a duty to take care of our neighbors. It was private individuals, companies and congregations that sent water, blankets and supplies to New Orleans far before the government ever set foot there.
A conservative believes that family is the cornerstone of our society and that people have a right to manage their family any way they see fit, so long as it’s not criminal. We are far more attuned to our family’s needs than some faceless, soulless government program.
A conservative believes that people have a right to worship the God of their understanding. We also believe that people do not have the right to jam their version of God (or no God) down anybody else’s throat.
A conservative believes that people go to the movies to be entertained and to church to be preached to, not the other way around.
A conservative believes that debt creates unhealthy relationships. Everyone, from the government on down, should live within their means and strive for financial independence.
A conservative believes that a child’s education is the responsibility of the parents, not the government.
A conservative believes that every human being has a right to life, from conception to death.
A conservative believes in the smallest government you can get without anarchy. We know our history: The larger a government gets, the harder it will fall.
Those are the things a conservative believes in, and they’re the things that I believe in. Now, if only I could find a candidate to match.
I would just like to say that I think there just is some concern not about the blogging on here as it is to how to get thru it all. Some ppl do not have that much time and yes the action center is wonderful….I think what some are referring to is that there are numerous suggestions, actions that ppl are doing within the post which are seperate from the action center or daily growls.
It was mentioned several times yesterday and today that if someone has another action – like asking us all to contact a certain network, or vote on a certain poll or letters that can be used by all – just need to change name it is going to/state/from etc. that we all want to help.
I personally miss alot on here and cant always find the email addy I saw or remember where I saw them……
otherwise YES we need the communication, support, suggestions, questions, venting to me it is helpful….I just wish it could be seperated better for quick access. JMO
Thank you all my fellow PUMAs for all everyone has done and especially Murphy….OUR 24/7 GIRL!
I would think a 527, Rove or the RNP would be all over the birth certificate if there was something to it. I can’t believe they have not been looking it to it. I also would hope they are looking in to the LS claims about BO sex and cocaine.
Maybe they are saving all this stuff till Oct when it is too late for the DNP to change candidates.
#345 Cosmeta… That’s what I’ve been trying to get across all day and I feel like I’m talking to the wall. We need to stand up and start demanding a real birth certificate be produced! He says he was born in Hawaii but because of their state laws he is the only one who can get it. Most people are now coming to the conclusion that what he put out there is a fake. There is no seal on it, the font stye is wrong…so many things. So if the worst happens and he is elected, what happens if it comes out he IS NOT truly a citizen. Remember in the early 60′s unmarried women went away to have babies. IF he is not “legal” his VP would take over and I assume Pelosi would basically be VP. I already have an article archived somewhere where she says they want the WH, more seats in congress, and eventually we will be a one party country. Scary. I want to know this guy has a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to run. Is that so much to ask for? Grandma’s keep stuff. Why isn’t his producing either the marriage record or birth record?
If anyone is or knows of anyone who is going to Unity tomorrow from the Philadelphia area, please email me at murphy@pumapac.org
#379 Fred – looks like a letter to Glen Beck is in order. I want to emphasize to him that every vote McCain does not receive could help OB. I said the same thing to Dr James Dodson.
#371 maxgrader on 06.26.08 at 5:42 pm
Let it reap (expression??), if you make mistakes you may correct them. You are not taking up bandwidth.
What I do is type my messages in word then cut and paste it on the blog.
Unfortunately, sometimes I have to go to http://www.merriam-webster.com/ to check my spelling and BO ears stick out of my under size web page.
I see another great cartoon here….A pyramid of Pumas with sweatshirts (some saying McCain, some stay home, some write in, some 3rd Party) HUGE pyramid and little dean and Bo standing looking at it with dean telling bo “well, just get over it!” (Pumas could even represent different sexes and races!)
Glen Beck post:
Makes some interesting points (I can’t get used to agreeing with conservatives) and there are other options for both parties – Nader for democrats and LIbertarian Party (Bob Barr) for conservatives. But in his list of Conservative points – the reason it took individuals to give aid to New Orleans was because the conservatives had to first figure out a way to make money from giving aid. That is one of my major dislikes of conservatives. But I don’t see John McCain as a conservative, so I can vote for him.
#348 – antifish
That goes beyond disturbing. But as usual, Obama made the mistake of thinking he could run roughshod over the woman who’s running. She’s holding firm.
This old hippie chick will keep fighting the fight, until there is democracy in the democratic party.
Well I wrote to all the major news stations asking if there was even one investigative reporter who would look into the BO birth certificate story.
He is definitely hiding something, I saw an official Hawaii birth certificate, and it had the seal of the state, and the required signatures. BO’s camp says that the seal doesnt show through on the web, well it certainly does!!! The one he has shown is manufactured.
Either BO was not born in the U.S., or his father is listed as Muslim or Arab, in which case he doesnt want that information public.
I don’t believe for one minute that BO isn’t hiding something, and the real birth certificate could put an end to his political career.
Hope someone does some investigative reporting, and not keep giving us the same old fluff. We want real stories, real reporting. We want questions answered.
One Love
Good evening all,
Hope everyone is having a good day.
Not sure if anyone else read this. It is funny for over 18 months nonames wife trashed Hillary and now she prasies her. What a joke.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/26/michelle-obama-praises-clinton-in-new-hampshire/
A quick idea on the blog organization~take it for what it is worth. Admin (Murphy) posts an update or introduction, like today’s…”Unity?”
1.) I agree with those that posted upthread that socialization is important in solidifying the bond of the whole group. The topic of the day should be open to that presented idea.
2.) Action Items: A sidebar on the right in order by date. Top item would be the most recent and then the list of past items flow downward. Members searching for update could click on the Action Item that they are looking for and it would be posted there along with the member who posted that update.
3.) Action Alerts could be listed above the daily topic and revised as needed by admin/moderators.
This is a full time job, and Murphy has done outstanding. Go lurk around at the competition. We are keeping up post numbers. That is what gives a site visibility and grabs attention. Just suggestions.
~J
Today’s rant by Taylor Marsh:
“He calculates, sees strategically what may be coming, then plays his hand, not on principle but on possible outcome that will advance him closer to his goal: power. Nothing that’s unfolding should surprise anyone who’s been paying attention. Bluntly, I told you so. But while Obama may be Machiavellian, he’s our Machiavelli. It’s nice the shark is on our side this time.”
These people are whack.
Like saying: He’s a psychopathic mass murderer, but he’s *our* psychopathic mass murderer. It’s nice to have a psychopathic mass murderer on our side this time.
I’m about to place a sign inside home by my front door with an arrow pointing out:
This Way to the Asylum —>
Murphy, where can I see your interview? I saw the first one, but where to I see the most recent?
You Rock Murphy!!!
One Love
Orwell, anyone?
http://kempion.blogspot.com/
I hate to keep posting my blog here, but I think some of you will find inspiration in it – if not just get a kick ouf of it.
#366 Lara and #373 diva2,
When I read it, I got the impression that he is putting operatives in place at the local level to steal the election in November. Did either of you?
#364 1of18MilforHill08
Hawaii does not consider birth certificates public records. Only the person can get his or her record. (maybe moms???)
This thing has me very concerned.
The fact of the matter is that if Obama were not born in Hawaii or a different state, there is a genuine legal concern about his eligibility for president even though his mother was a citizen. Because his father was not a citizen of the USA, but was a citizen of Kenya, he could have declared Obama to be a citizen of Kenya. If Kenya did not have dual citizenship at that time (not now), Obama would have to naturalize to become a citizen and that would make him ineligible for president.
I am at a loss why the DNC does not require a candidate to prove his or her legal eligibility for the office before any funds are invested or time is contributed to their campaigns.
This issue will not go away until an official responds to it. A blog of a copy of a copy of a redacted and unofficial document does not rise to the bar necessary for so fundamental an issue.
#390, Ever hear of backstabber? Two-faced?
Things I learned as a young’n, stay away from them kind of people!
Fool me once, shame on me.
Fool me twice, shame on you.
I can’t count how many times BHO has “fooled” his “believers”.
Shame on them.
#390 ontherocks
If you go the website for the Chicago magazine October 2004, there is an interview with MO titled “First Lady in Waiting?’ (remember this was 2004) in which she sings the praises of Hillary. That’s why I was shocked the first time I heard the …If Hillary can’t run her own house…comment. Just shows how political the Obamas are and how rough they planned on getting right from the beginning.
I think Glen Beck will give us some air time… Could all you nice Puma’s please email Glen Beck from his website http://www.glenbeck.com or blog him to let him know about us… a non gender, non greiving, non Obama group.
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/blog/?blog=stu&page=blog
This Way to the Asylum —>TaylorMarsh.
“It’s nice the shark is on our side this time.”
You missed the point DancesWithPumas~ He did go to church.
#396 MamaPuma, Very well put, this has a lot of us very concerned. I mean the man has a passport which required a valid birth certificate to obtain, so why not release it? We know he has one.
They are still insisting that the one they provided was a valid birth certificate. It was not!
For God Sake, he could fly to Hawaii on his private jet, get an official copy and bring it back in the same day, so what is the problem? That he isn’t an American citizen? That is father is Muslim or Arab? What the hell is he so afraid of?
One Love
#364
Does anyone know if this re: noname’s birth certificate is an attorney general issue? Not sure what level of govt. would handle this but there has to be some branch. Maybe time to make some noise over at McCain’s webstie re:this issue. Maybe because he became a Senator everyone just “assumed” he was a citizen?
diva2
diva2
For those Pumas who are going to Unity tomorrow–God Speed. I know you will represent us with the dignity and grace that Hillary has shown throughout this campaign and still today.
We are so proud of you, and thank you so much for representing those of us who cant be at your side, I can assure you that there are millions of people with you in spirit.
God Bless You, Be Safe, and know that we are with you.
One Love
The birth certificate issue should go thru the Federal Elections Commission.
Well, I guess I’m writing to the Federal Elections Commision.
now has a link to the media “hall of shame” with clips, who said what. it is very comprhensive. it has email links too. here is a link
http://www.now.org/issues/media/hall_of_shame/
Re: Birth Certificate of Obama. Don’t you think it would have been obviously checked out already by other higher up parties. I am sure the Republicans have already done so . If not they are stupid… Unless no one wants to bring up something so blatant and uncomfortable. Which Senator or Delegate or big wig is going to have the balls to say, Lets ask him for a copy of his Birth Certificate. Who will stick his neck out there and run the chance of being proven foolish and racist BUT yet there is gold at the end of the rainbow.. we just don’t know if anyone has ever proven beyond a shadow of a doubt – his country of birth. If I were Hillary’s camp or McCains camp, I would have done that day one.. I can’t believe no one ever did.
#401 Regarding BHO’s birth certificate.
I know that in Ohio, birth certificates are public records and the only thing that you need to do is request one in writing (and pay for it of course).
Is that not the way it works in Hawaii, or is he getting preferential treatment?
Murphy – idea/suggestion.
Newcomers regularly ask the meaning of *61.
Maybe it’s time for a new page for FAQ (frequently asked questions). Could have terminology like *61 and the definitions for blogging shortcuts like LOL, LMAO, ROFL, etc.
Also, it could have information on how to search for text in a web page. Firefox has a “Find” box at the bottom where you can type text in and search forward/backward for it. Explorer has a menu item: “Edit/Find on this Page” (with shortcut F) that allows you to search. I suspect that this information might be useful to people who don’t know about these capabilities.
Just checked, you can request one thru the State Department of Health
Although it does say that you have to pay even if they don’t find one (for the cost of the search).
I am sure it has been looked into, but it would be nice if the information was made public.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/vital_records.html
shortcut didn’t come out in previous post – it is ctrl-F (simultaneous hold Ctrl key and F keys)
antifish—great video, it’s amazing how much he does look like Alfred. lololol
Regarding the birth certificate:
My name was misspelled on the original. My parents had to take it to the County Registrar and have a separate affidavit (sp) attached to the original clarifying the mistake. The original WAS NOT changed. If the affidavit(sp) is ever removed, it is NOT valid. That is the law here.
~J
Just saw Will Bower on CNN, a story about Party Unity and the meeting between BO and Hillary Clinton. Did not hear it all, but I think he was talking to someone else and CNN just played it.
pumaindy
The CTRL F trick worked fine on my computer. Searched for and found all your entries from the top of the page by selecting Previous to go up the page and Next to godown the page. Good device for impatient people who don’t want to scroll. Thanks.
414 AZClintonDemocrat on 06.26.08 at 6:36 pm
Regarding Will Bower- see post #19 and click on the bottom link. They may have been playing that interview.
if you google Obama copy birth certificate, you can see a copy of what the Sate of Hawaii provided (dailykos specifically) so i guess people are leaving it alone for now
Does anyone REALLY think we should rely on bureaucrats to do thenecessary bacground checks? Schwartzenegger was on the ballot in California before the question was even asked. lol
Please to all of you PUMAS, light a candle for Senator Clinton and one for our PUMAs who are going to Unity!
Go to the website and then click on Features to light your candle. I put the one for Senator Clinton under HRC and the one under PUMA.
http://www.gratefulness.org
diva2
416 Jeremy
Thanks
#415 BigCatLover
yw (you’re welcome!)
I signed up for PUMA the other day and contributed today. The other day I saw a
pamplet that could be printed out pointing out the reasons that Hillary supporters are not
voting for Obama. Can’t remember where I saw it. Can someone help me with a link?
And, I need a button that will let people know that I am a PUMA. Where do I find that?
Thanks Murphy and all others who are doing so much. I will do what I can.
More regarding the birth certificate: #417 I did the search and looked. The first thing that stands out, in my eyes looking at it, is the font from the typewriter. We are talking 1961? The font that appears on that copy is more like the script/font that began to appear in the early 80′s are more recent. I did a quick comparison with mine which was issued in the 70′s. That is the part that I don’t buy. Maybe sounds simple, but it just doesn’t gel with me.
#419 diva2 on 06.26.08 at 6:42 pm
This is a nice idea, but it takes time to light the candle. Is there an easier way at that site? Maybe you should tell us how to do it. I was able to make a search and found the PUMA candles. I think every state should have a candle. Did not search on Hillary, is there one candle for her?
#422 Jeremy
they would print a new one upon request, so the font wouldn’t be an issue
#423 william DenverCO
search under hrc
Here is the only place I could find an email for, the federal elections commission, regarding BO’s lack of official birth certificate.
http://american.edu/ia/cfer/contact.htm
One Love
I think #410 thatswhattimeitis on 06.26.08 at 6:31 pm is an Obama troll? I might be wrong but I would bet on it.
My candle says: Defeat evil. Vanquish BHO.
My other candle says: Madam President – Hillary Clinton.
Thanks diva2!
#423 william DenverCO
Here is Hillary’s candle site
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=hrc
#426 Thanks for that email addy. Can someone here compose a well-written letter?
they would print a new one upon request
#424 TrishfromCanada on 06.26.08 at 6:56 pm
O.K. I have a problem with that. When I had to get copies of my birth certificate, they didn’t print out a “copy.” It was Xeroxed and had the words on the background “copy of original.” It also stated that if those words were not in the background, that it was not a “legal” form.
While I am thinking about it……
I got a new email from the DNC tonight asking for money. I know a lot of people unsubcribed and I considered it until I realized that I like having the opportunity every time they email me to tell them why I won’t support them or their candidate. I am looking forward to answering the post this evening like eating desert.
Lisa
Regarding #427 william DenverCO on 06.26.08 at 6:58 pm
#302 and #325??
#429 TrishfromCanada on 06.26.08 at 6:58 pm
Thanks. My wife is from Canada BC…or was she became a US citizen ” this year” to vote for Hillary. Now she (she does not want to but) will vote for McCain.
She was from Langley BC, where are you if I may ask?
#431 Jeremy
I believe its photoshopped as well. But everytime I’ve asked for a birth certificate or baptismal certificae the governmen or church, depending on which on I wanted would print a new one on a laser printer.
#429 TrishfromCanada on 06.26.08 at 6:58 pm
I went to that site…I guess one has to pay to get a candle…bummer. I rather give my money to PUMA.
#433 Jeremy
Off-line discussion?
This is my only political ‘family’ now. I might say stupid things at times. I don’t want to be afraid to post here.
#434 william DenverCO
I’m in Toronto but from Newfoundland. I’ve been to Langley a few times, I have a friend there. It’s very pretty. My last trip to BC was in Harrison Hot Springs, I have some great photos of it if she wants to check it out, I can send you the link to a flickr page I created.
“FEDUP2008″
If your still interested the contact # for Senator Spector
at the Judiciary Committee office is:
#202-224-5225-contact “Andrew”
I spoke with him Mon. he said the comittee “dropped”
the investigation of the “un-democratic” means of the democratic primaries. When Sen. Clinton stepped aside.
I told him “we” still have complaints & he said have people call.
I thought of some of the observations reported by “prplvette85″ on another site.
Hope this helps!
Thanks Murphy I figured out how to register. Please disregard my e-mails. Thanks for all your doing!!
This site’s GREAT!
#435 Interesting. I guess that requirements are different depending on the state or county. I never really paid that much attention to it until now. Thanks.
#436 william DenverCO
I didn’t pay anything, I go there every few weeks
For all of those going to Unity tomorrow…THANK YOU!!!
I hope we have agood showing.
From #390′s article:
Michelle Obama=Obambi’s wife, the one I saw on TV the other day being interviewed stating that she was not sure if she could vote for Hillary if she were to be the nominee!
“We are closer to this America than ever before, and that’s because of an extraordinary woman who’s not in this room but she’s traveling with my husband tomorrow, and that woman is Hillary Clinton,” she said to sustained applause.
Well, I guess she did some homework in the past few fews, this woman, Hillary, has a record Michelle!, and it is three miles long, your husband’s it is only ONE PAGE, I can see how you are being carefuly taught how to talk from now on, by those people, the ones that trashed our candidate! Ah! I am sick of them!
Does anyone know where we send the cartoons for PUMA?
#438 TrishfromCanada on 06.26.08 at 7:13 pm
What a small world! I studied with a guy from New Foundland – John Beesaw (spelling).
And yes we have been to Harrison Hot Springs many times. Unfortunately, none of the hot springs around here (Denver) compare to Harrison.
Yes I would like to see the pictures.
Hello PUMAs,
I have been posting on the JT article at the Huffington Post. Lots of Obamobots. Messy! But I kept my claws retracted (mostly) and tried to get our case stated. Some people seemed real.
None of the ‘bots ever seem to have anything factual to say, but they are very angry people and do alot of insulting and name calling. I did not put up with any of their accusations about being bigoted about African-Americans (especially since they do no know my race) and told them that BO was biracial and that it was generally considered an asset, particularly within the Democratic Party. They seemed OK with that except for one, who, I believe did not know what biracial meant.
I would much rather trade ideas with people who actually discuss things. I have been reviewing the posts here and have been a bit disturbed about the distress over the Unity deal. I would like you to consider:
Hillary Clinton does not need to be President of America. She has brains, guts, beauty, power, wealth and family. IT IS AMERICA THAT NEEDS HILLARY CLINTON TO BE PRESIDENT.
I am in this for me. For my country and my daughter. Whoever walks into the White House next will inherit the Bushwackers carnage. Goofy BO and his buddies are not going to find anything left to steal. Vulchers. Even if they win, they lose.
I want Hillary Clinton in the White House to minimize the impact of our crashing economy and the four horsemen that Bush has put upon us. BO just does not pack the gear. He can get all the “Advisors” he wants, he does not even know what advise to take.
If Hillary Clinton is not in a position to totally pass on their show, then I am sure she can sail through it with amusement. Do not underestimate her. She has had a nice rest now. I wonder if they have enough snap to be concerned.
By the way, tonight, Larry King, will be talking about Hillary suppoters, we must watch it.
Just wrote this in response to Howard Dean’s fundraising email. Good grief they don’t give up-they probably don’t read these letters -but it makes me feel better!
Dear Dr Dean, I don’t know if you will read this or not. I hope so-I send it with respect. I have been a Democrat my whole voting life. I’ve voted for Democratic candidates (nationally and locally) that I didn’t think were the absolute best candidate but I thought “well at least they are Democrats and will follow the principles of the Democratic Party”. I have never voted for a Republican or a third party-seeing the map red in 2000 and 2004 broke my heart. George W. Bush has done terrible harm to our country. I had the greatest hope that Senator Clinton would carry the mantle of the Democratic Party and its principles into the White House and demonstrate to the country and the world what integral, creative, energetic, intelligent leadership is all about.
I am a devoted Senator Hillary Clinton supporter. I know that she is sincerely asking her followers to unite with the DNC and support our presumptive nominee. She is a loyal and profoundly talented person. I would do almost anything for Senator Clinton-I deeply admire her. However, I can not support Senator Obama. At first it was because he was less experienced than Senator Clinton. What has evolved over time is my conviction that Senator Obama is too immature to be the leader of our country right now. If inexperience were the only problem I could probably live with his candidacy. However, he is immature, arrogant, and in my opinion a phony. He has given me nothing to be excited about. Change? What to what? Hope? For what? His campaign tactics have left me breathless with distaste and distrust. There is nothing there, there.
If all that was not enough, the tactics of the DNC and its leadership during this ‘selection’ process have been nothing short of horrific. I and many others like me have felt dismissed by the party we thought would be in the forefront of progressive change in this country. Instead now we hear that we are not needed (but of course make sure you send in money anyway), if we complain we are just bitter and whiney, if we question Senator Obama we are racist…the list goes on and on. Now of course we must all unite behind this Emperor with No Clothes. We must unite a party that was obviously not united in the first place-that was a charade. Only certain persons need be part of this game-(who are they by the way??-anyone who agrees with you?)
I will not vote for Senator Obama. My vote belongs to me. It is a sacred obligation to cast a vote. I will not cast a vote for someone I do not believe in! I don’t care if he is a Democrat-that moniker has kind of lost its charm for the moment anyway. You and the DNC leadership deliberately went out of your way to make certain that S. Obama was chosen-he was not chosen by me.
With respect
Mary Pat Kunert RN PhD
pumaindy~those post numbers were not placed by you. I went upthread and checked. If so, my apologies and please accept. Thanks for bring it to my attention if they were.
well said Headclunker-Hillary Clinton can take care of herself -she’s tough-has had to be
that’s partly why I admire her so much
John Beesaw
Was he from central newfoundland? There are not many Beesaw’s on the island
#448 Jeremy
Right – I understand. No apology necessary.
I sometimes say stupid things and I am not a good ‘hunter’ so I am often left wondering if people are talking about me. In this case it was clear you weren’t. There have been other times, though…
#126 Kempion said: “This is what it comes down to.. acceptance of wrong? Obama was not born in the United States, but he can run for President?”
There are specific rules regarding those born to a US citizen outside of the United States. Easy enough to research since the controversy about Obama’s birth circumstances and accompanying citizenship rules are all over the ‘net.
I’m wondering if we could refrain from accusing each other of being trolls. It gets to be very tiresome and not very useful. If someone on this blog is really an Obama supporter well then so be it-perhaps the longer they are with us they’ll see the light. Or at the very least will carry our thoughts over to the Obama sites and share with them our thoughtfulness and goal orientation.
#444 william DenverCO
If you can send me an e-mail, I’ll send you the link to the photos
#444 william DenverCO
lol ooops this would help Trish738@yahoo.com
“from TaylorMarsh to trailer trash”
Now there’s a nice classist statement.
I am with you on that #453. and thanks for the clarification pumaindy with #451.
Murphy, you and PUMAS will get a kick out of this phone call that I received within the hour. It was a telephone survey and I almost hung up because that is what I do when they violate my Do Not Call Status, usually after I yell in their ear. But something caught my attention, even though the number showed up as ‘unknown caller”. The word candidate or something. Well it was a telphone survey, by what party I do not know but listen to the type of questions that were asked, and then I punched in the buttons according to the answer I wish posted*:
1. Do you approve of Mel Martinez’s performance in his current office? I answered uncertain
2. Would you vote for Mel Martinez upon a reelection bid? I answered [Hell] yes.
3. Would you vote for Mel Martinez if he were on the ticket with Obama as Vice President? I answered [Hell] no.
4. Do you approve of Rep. Bill Nelson’s performance in his current office? I answered [Hell] yes.
2. Would you vote for Bill Nelson upon a reelection bid?
I answered [Hell] yes.
3. Would you vote for Bill Nelson if he were on the ticket with Obama as Vice President? I answered [Hell] no.
4. If the election were held today, who would you vote for Obama or McCain? I answered, McCain [what are you stupid or something?]
5. What is your party affiliation? I answered Independent [the only smart thing to be this election cycle]
6. What is your gender? I answered female
7. What is your age range? I posted the appropriate choice for my age [but wish there had been a choice for {13 along with want some underage sex?}]
The questions are as per best of my memory; and there may have been other questions but I do not recall them.
So, what is going on, a search for a VP that would help him win FL? I hate to tell him me and my group are going to help our Gov. Crist [who is a contender for McCain's VP] “deliver” Florida for McCain, unless Hillary is the nominee at the August Convention. As, Bill O’reilly asks, “What say you?”
*Disclaimer: I yelled the [Hell], it felt good. Comments in [] are my added color and were not part of the survey.
#255 oscarp
I also received the email from Human Rights Campaign and their solication of donations for *61 infuriated me. I also unsubscribed. I will terminate my membership and utilize the ACTION to make my viewpoint known to the organization.
#255 oops
Meant to say the ACTION CENTER.
If there are Obama bloggers on PUMA web sites, just ignore their comments.
We do not need to respond to their negativity, it only empowers their empty thoughts.
Just like the comments from their empty, weak leader Obama.
#458 ShortTermer on 06.26.08 at 7:38 pm
Mel Martinez is a Republician from Florida (I think Florida).
458 ShortTermer on 06.26.08 at 7:38 pm
Was this a robo-call? Just curious, I had 3 on my voice mail today from the DNC or party affiliate. Never had one before and then to get 3 in one day. mmm.
#461 I agree. Do not waste time responding. Just ignore.
#423 william Denver CO
Sorry I couldn’t remember how to shortcut the candles, I should have done a better job. You do not have to donate to light the candles. They operate on donations and would like you to donate if you can. I donate when I can. We had thousands lit for Sentor Clinton a few months ago.
I grew up in Aurora grades 1-6 MANY years ago. Still have friends/family in Denver.
#429 Trishfrom Canada for watching my back on the candles….So glad that’s what we do here!
diva2
#443 TRISHINCANADA:
If you’re a member of his Facebook group you can upload your cartoon yourself, otherwise email to:
William Bower
whbower@aol.com
I didn’t submit a cartoon, but I did modify Obama’s seal and Bower uploaded it to the cartoon section.
TrishfromCanada
#465 Meant ” Thank you for watching my back…” TrishfromCanada
diva2
#255 & #459 I can’t believe the Human Rights Campaign is solicitating for him as Obama is anti-gay and all the gays I know are not voting for him. Doesn’t make sense.
Scarlet, #442 — check out our ACTION CENTER for all the flyers, pamphlets, and resources you need.
http://pumapacusa.org/
And welcome!
You could always tell NOName and the DNC that you would be happy to “unify” as soon as Hillary’s debt is paid off. And of course, you could always change your mind after the fact, just like NoName.
Birth cert.
Its my understanding that the repubs are looking into it. They have the money and the resources. Maybe thats the Oct. surprize. haha
Now take into account I did hear this from the MSM.
You know the GOP are on it, we might be upset about the possibility of Bo getting into office. But can you imagine the GOP. Pelosi/Obama and team, you know the GOP is freaking. I think the 527′s will do a great job of uncovering every stone the dems decided to ignore. Listen if the GOP could get Bush in 2nd term at the height of the war…This should be a piece of cake. OK, I’m going to say it…..Thank God for Republicans. haha
But there is one power greater than theirs, his name is Bill!
The only “unity” in my home is that which I have with the so many disenfranchised women and men who Barry Obama says he does not need! I haven’t needed him; I worry that our kids seem to think they need him.. but, this goes back to kennedy v. Carter.. Is anyone else old enough to remember that? Teddy RAN and RAN up to the Democratic Conference. Yes, Jimmy got the nod and, wow, just LOOK at what happened under his rule!
Gas prices exploded overnight! Gas was RATIONED; to the point where those who were waiting in line (every time they needed gas) would consistantly run-out and many found themselves pushing their cars into the stations– THE stations who had fuel deliveries! And, what about the stations who had NO gas? Are we willing to go there again? YES; of course, I hope we have replacement sources of fuel and that we can come up with ways to not use foreign oil (or even oil drilled here in the US), BUT; to our children; we are NOT THERE YET. And, as this is true, it is also true that Obama’s time is not here yet.
Who believes we can stand another 4-years of a presidency SO similar to that of J.Carter? I do NOT. I mean, I loved Jimmy Carter- he was a wonderful man; he got NOTHING done while in the white-house. B. Obama has already PROVEN that he is unwilling to do the work we will need done (by voting present rather than voting either way 130 — or is it now 135 times?).. Is this something that America CAN stand for right now?
As mmy Dad would say; Oh, My aching ass!
JustSayNoDeal, PUMA’s. We cannot stand an Obama Presidency and the DNC needs to wake the hell up!
Please send YOUR notes and comments to:
dr dean
and, let Howard know what he’s up against!
Thanks so much for this forum.. Anne
HITLER AND OBAMA
Diva2 and Antifish,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTp_atr2G9E&feature=user
Manning compares Obama to Hitler; I honestly thought I was the only one who likened Obama and his youth movement to the Third Reich of Hitler. Manning is taking in on headon.
Many interesting Posts out there today that could certainly be interpreted as “the end-game is not looking too good for BHO”
1) Heidi’s blog: “Stock market takes biggest dive since 2006″
Point: BHO used up his little-guy internet peeps, ops out of public financing, now dependent on Big Donors, who are losing money by the fistfulls on the market instability.
Question: Will they show him the big donor $$$ now that they are his only source?
…………………
2) CBS Article: Netroots Feel Jilted By Obama Over FISA
Politico: Online Liberal Activists Upset Dem Candidate Is Supporting Surveillance Bill
Comments 48
June 25, 2008
Point: BHO used his blogs-sphere liberal groups to spread the word on the “messiah”, made promises to get them behind his donkey and has now flip-flopped on the most important issue in their world – “immunity to the tele-com giants on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act”.
pssst… you’ll love this part PUMAS….”MoveOn.org has called upon its members to pressure Obama to “keep his word” and block the bill. Obama gave no indication that he would support a filibuster, and a press aide did not respond to requests for clarification on this point.”
They are p_ ssed! And word really travels in the “on-line BHO fast lane – despite them being the slowest to get BHO’s number:
pssst… you’ll love this part, PUMAS, even more: ‘The fear out there is that Obama is going to fail to live up to expectations on key issues, and that reinforces the notion that ‘uh-oh, we picked the wrong candidate’…
Told you, PUMAS you would love that part!
QUESTION: Will Obama-Land’s liberal bloggers throw BHO under the Bus?
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From the Confluence:
Another Reverend problem for Obama?
Posted on June 25, 2008 by garychapelhill
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/06/25/another-reverend-problem-for-obama/
POINT: BHO and bubba bush both ran campaigns on “Uniter not a Divider”
QUESTION 1: Does BHO really believe that he has to warn us that the GOP is going to let us know he is “black”?
QUESTION 2: Can anyone recall how many non-Obama supporters constantly bring up “race” in this election?
#452 DancesWithPumas
It turns out that it is not so easy to research this issue.
The state of Hawaii does not allow a person to walk into their Registry and ask for another person’s birth certificate. I can only get my certificate (in Hawaii not in other states). So we, the media and the officials can not get a copy of Obama’s birth certificate.
I am amazed that reporters have not descended on the hospital in Hawaii that he claims he was born in and found out the details of his birth.
Since he has a passport (that too he will not release) he had to produce the document.
The birth certificate presented on his “smear campaign” site has clearly been doctored and lacks all of the official guarantees that authenticate it: seal, date, signature, etc.. And note, the site presents it. Obama does not say here is the document. This allows him wiggle room if the presented document is subsequently determined to be fake, inaccurate or fraudulent.
This issue is unsettling. For me it indicates a chasm filled with incompetence in the process of vetting a candidate. I want offical response to this issue from the candidate and the party to reassure me and the country that this candidate is eligible to run for office.
Another article/analysis on the birth certificate issue. It actually goes in depth on the fishy items. The only reason I’m suspicious is because they’re not releasing the darned thing. Why not end the speculation if he is legit?
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/06/20/was_obamas_certificate_of_birth_manufactured.thtml
Jeremy on 06.26.08 at 6:54 pm More regarding the birth certificate: #417 I did the search and looked. The first thing that stands out, in my eyes looking at it, is the font from the typewriter. We are talking 1961? The font that appears on that copy is more like the script/font that began to appear in the early 80’s are more recent. I did a quick comparison with mine which was issued in the 70’s. That is the part that I don’t buy. Maybe sounds simple, but it just doesn’t gel with me.
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JEREMY, FURTHER TO YOUR OBSERVATION, WHEN I VIEWED OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE, THEIR ARE NO SIGNATURES.
THAT IN ITSELF MAKES THE PAPER ILLEGAL, A CERTIFICATE HAS TO BE SIGNED BY AN AUTHORIZED PERSON, WHETHER FROM THE CHURCH OR A GOVERNMENT PAPER.
I DO NOT BELIEVE IT IS A LEGITIMATE BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
I AM CURIOUS AS TO WHY THE REPUBLICAN NEWS MEDIA ARE NOT DOING AN INVESTIGATIVE PIECE REGARDIG THE AUTHENTICITY OF SAME.
I just got an e-mail from DNC titled decision time, here is my reply I will never vote for or suport Obama, sorry the DNC is a house devided and Hillary will not help get obama elected, one in 18 million
I guess they still don’t know I changed my party
#468 DancesWithPumas
Thanks, I have a few to send him, most are ideas, he can draw them, stickmen would be about all I could draw.
THANKS TO ALL THE GREAT PUMA’S GOING TO UNITY TOMORROW. GOOD LUCK, STAY SAFE. I WISH I COULD BE THERE ALSO. BUT AM STUCK IN MISSOURI. PUMA
#469 diva2
you’re welcome
Good Luck tomorrow Pumas I’ll be there in spirit.
477 MamaPuma on 06.26.08 at 7:54 pm
I noticed only after I posted my comments MamaPuma that you had covered all of the area in which Obama’s birth certificate appears illegal.
All I can say is take a quote from Shakespeare “Something is rotten in Denmark?
Excellent post MamaPuma
#478 notfallinginline
Because he is obamaking………..sad so sad
#458 Mel Martinez is a Repub from Florida and I can’t stand him. He is a Cuban who is for amnesty. I had to leave Miami because no one spoke English. Don’t mean to sound intolerant but this is America. Also, did you see on the news where the Mexican govt freed a drug smuggler that killed one of our border agents? Our govt did nothing to extradite him although they knew he was a killer. We have got to control our borders as we are being invaded and all our tax dollars are going to educate, medicate and feed these illegals.
FINALLY… I HAVE A VERY SIMPLE ACTION ALERT suggestion that comes from the following riverdaughters blog:
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/thursday-how-to-depress-a-rat/
Here is an excerpt:
“Learned helplessness is a psychological condition in which a human being or an animal has learned to believe that it is helpless in a particular situation. It has come to believe that it has no control over its situation and that whatever it does is futile. As a result, the human being or the animal will stay passive in the face of an unpleasant, harmful or damaging situation, even when it does actually have the power to change its circumstances. Learned helplessness theory is the view that depression results from a perceived absence of control over the outcome of a situation, or situations (Seligman, 1975). Examples can be found in schools, mental institutions, orphanages, or long-term care facilities where the patients have failed or been stripped of agency for long enough to cause their feelings of inadequacy to persist.
Now, how is this being used against us? Well, many of you might have noticed that there has been an overwhelming preponderance of polling data put out this week that shows a tidal wave of support for Obama. In fact, we have even had some “woe is me, everything is lost” trolls here recently who have wailed and nashed their teeth in despair over the polls that show that “Obama is going to win, WIN I Tell you and there is nothing we can do, Nothing. We must all get used to the fact that Hillary lost, lost and forsaken us. Where is my razor? Good-bye cruel world!…. ”
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NOW HERE IS A VERY SIMPLE ACTION ALERT IN RESPONSE TO THE PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE being played on us by BHO and the DNP:
Everytime we post, sign letters, emails, faxes to anyone, anywhere on the subject of this race:
ALWAYS SIGN:” PUMA DEMOCRAT” and below it the following – in all caps:
“BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA WILL NOT WIN THIS ELECTION!”
#479 TerryDo on 06.26.08 at 7:56 pm
Agree. The lack of any personal signing on the document that is presented makes is null and void. Upthread another poster said that when they requested copies of their own, a copy was printed out. It is not that easy here in Texas, anyway. When I got my copy, it was xeroxed and on the background it was clearly labeled that this was only a photocopy of the original and if those words were not embedded on the background, it was not valid. The copy that we are seeing of Barack’s birth has less information than my own record of being baptized.
makes it>revise
#489 wontbackdown
Thank you for that wonderful reminder. I am susceptible to that and that is why I stay here reading day after day. I cannot do every daily action, so I pick and choose.
Your post reminds me not to lose faith and hope.
Hillary WON. Now we just have to get her nominated.
For a Birth Certificate to be a legit “copy”, there should be a stamp on it from the clerk’s office.
Did it ever occur to anyone that the savvy BHO folks are trying to set this up as “questionable”?
So then they can later produce a legit one and say: “See, we told you there were going to be smear campaigns”
BHO has gotten more mileage out of playing a “victim” than any other position, debate, credentials, experience, etc., and, trust me, they know that!
yeah, and as for the polls – no one asked me
#492 pumaindy… you didn’t sign your post:
PUMA DEMOCRAT
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA WILL NOT WIN THIS ELECTION!
#495 oops
PUMA DEMOCRAT
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA WILL NOT WIN THIS ELECTION!
#496 pumaindy… YEAH!!!
I am very serious… put it out there in the universe and it will respond!
Why do you think BHO chose the slogan “Yes We Can”?
… and why do you think he is starting to stumble, trip, flip-flop?
Because millions are now saying “No You Won’t!”
Psychological warfare swings both ways!
#494 pumaindy… nor I…. not one poll call.
WOOPS!
Psychological warfare swings both ways!
#494 pumaindy… nor I…. not one poll call.
PUMA DEMOCRAT
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA WILL NOT WIN THIS ELECTION!
I AM CURIOUS AS TO WHY THE REPUBLICAN NEWS MEDIA ARE NOT DOING AN INVESTIGATIVE PIECE REGARDIG THE AUTHENTICITY OF SAME.
Did it ever occur to anyone that the savvy BHO folks are trying to set this up as “questionable”?
QUESTION: Does BHO really believe that he has to warn us that the GOP is going to let us know______?
(fill in any of your multiple choices in the blank)
TerryDo#479, this is sounds like the best answer to your question.
Excellent point wontbackdown. I am ashamed of myself for not looking at the other side of the coin. Kudos!
take out “is”>revise
The other discussion that came up in response to the birth certificate was the break in at the passport office by “his” people and the fact that one guy was kept on as an employee so he could not talk.
I wanted to post on the newest blog here, but I couldn’t find a comment box there..so here I am:-) First, I donated another $25 towards the $100 pledge I made for the PUMA’s. I wish like heck I lived in or near NH so I could show up at the so called”Untiy rally”! I hope some of you are near enough to be there and remind them we are divided not united thanks to the idiots at the DNC!
#501 Jeremy… Did you know that McCain’s citizenship was questionable and when he ran for the Senate, I believe the Senate changed some legislation to accomodate him?
U really believe BHO camp set the bait on the Birth Certificate and that’s why the GOP is not commenting.
This is very much something that they would do. Obama’s team seems to be very adept at trying to discredit things by making things look imprudent or absurd. If they can throw in enough of this foolish stuff then they can lessen the impact of the negative things which are factual. I think that they should produce this thing if they truly have it. The American people should be able to demand this from someone trying to run for the top position in our nation.
#506 StarDust …see #505
#501 Jeremy…
“I” really believe BHO camp set the bait on the Birth Certificate issue and that’s why the GOP is not commenting.
#493 Won’t back down
add to #506 Stardust
Sorry I did not post who I was writing to (Darn copy,paste thing)
#428 william DenverCO
{{I think #410 thatswhattimeitis on 06.26.08 at 6:31 pm is an Obama troll? I might be wrong but I would bet on it.}}
So I just got back from dinner after working my a$$ off all day and check in to see the posts since before I left for dinner and this is the crap I find?
Thanks alot for calling me a troll, you jerk! I would like to know what you are basing this on.
I have been on this site for a while and had the same username over at the HRC website where I posted.
How dare you!
If she wants to respond, Murphy can verify I am sure that I have made a contribution to this site last week. I also made donations to the HRC site to pay down her debt.
Thanks for nothing, idiot.
Just getting back from dinner. Didn’t read through all the posts since I left so don’t know if this was posted, but I got this email if anyone wants to watch tonight.
Be sure to watch Larry King Live on CNN tonight!
WHAT: On the eve of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton’s first joint campaign event, EMILY’s List Executive Director Ellen Moran will appear on Larry King Live to talk about the important role of Clinton supporters and women voters in general, and the impact they will have on the presidential election in November.
WHERE: Larry King Live on CNN
WHEN: Tonight, June 26, 2008, at 9 p.m. EST
#501 Jeremy… excellent points, as well:
“QUESTION: Does BHO really believe that he has to warn us that the GOP is going to let us know______?
(fill in any of your multiple choices in the blank)”
Regarding polls at this point. It is still June. Polls right now are nothing more than talking points to keep the media from getting bored until August. So when does polling data become important? Start paying attention mid September or after a debate. John Kerry’s numbers went up after the debates and Dubya starting getting nervous in October. That is when the swiftboating began along with similar Rovian interventions.
#509 StarDust … sorry StarDust… good ponts, as well!
This posting referral system gets my mouse wheel really rolling sometimes.
Any idea how many people might show up tomorrow?
#511 antifish
I plan to watch, but this is Emily’s List who supports BO and CNN who supports BO, so not expecting much but the same old ‘women are getting in line’ yada yada.
#508 wontbackdown
or they have the legit information and holding on to it until they need it. The Repubs and JM are very careful right now to keep away from engaging with Barack. JM only responds to Barack on specific statements. His campaign is being real careful not to fall into a BarackTrap.
#506 StarDust … you know that is a VERY GOOD POINT for this reason as well:
According to the Chicago Sun Times and other Media since then, didn’t BHO play dirty politics by eliminating all of his “opponents” with paperwork technicalities?
He demanded Hillary release her Tax Returns didn’t he?
Given his roots, heritage, (even his name) I should think these are legit disclosures to the American publics questions about his heritage?
#515 vadaryl
On our Daily Growl page the organizer for our side said he received approx 100 emails about the arrangements.
Good Evening everyone,
Sorry I haven’t been on here much in the last several days due to surgery. I am trying to catch up reading posted comments and links. I sure got behind in such a short time. Haven’t even been watching the news as it seems like the same old trash as it always is.
#517 Jeremy… I agree!
It is kind of like being on the green and watching the line of someone else’s putt…
Hillary made a lot of first putts and the BHO’s tactics were exposed, thank God.
I hate seeing Hillary and noname together. It really makes me sick. I know she has to do what she has to do but they has to be another way. I don’t get why everyone is pushing her to jump on the train. They didn’t think she was important enough during the primary.
The DNC bites.
Is this really strarting to happen:
Obama winning over former Clinton supporters
But it’s 1 out of 5 will support McCain
http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-clinton-supporters
#520 Barbara4Hill… How are you feeling?
How did the yellow roses go. I haven’t heard anything on that either but like I said I haven’t been watching the news
Good Luck to all headed to Unity. I am jealous. Nothing ever happens in Seattle except the WTO meeting. But I am keeping busy with the whisper campaign. I have three votes for McCain now and I am working on 6 more. I find Shutthefreudup’s “DNC fractured fair tales” youtube to be very instructive to young people who do not realize how many Presidential elections the DNC has lost. Whisper, whisper. I don’t think the pollsters are able to hear us, YET.
#524 wontbackdown
Thanks for asking……….so so not a lot of energy. In fact I just told my husband I feel like going to bed and I don’t go to bed until mid night.
#493 wantbackdown
His cert doesnt have an embossed stamp, from what I see.
And I dont know if this is true or not (see link), cuz I have two british parents and I was born in the US. I
have always been an American citizen. I have duel citizenship which my folks applied for (british side of course).
http://bitsblog.florack.us/?cat=425
#522 ontherocks
I think they want Hillary because they think Hillary will win us over. Just my personal opinion. It isn’t going to work with me though. There is no way that I will vote for bo
The Clintons are smart, there has to be some kind of give and take going on. Take a close look at what was going on behind her yesterday when she was talking. I don’t have the link but if you have seen it, it makes you wonder what is going on. I don’t want to see that moment tomorrow when they have their hands together in the air that shows unity. It’s making me sick already.
The more they say fall in line the more I say go to h–l Huffington on CNN roe v wade is going to bring us over.
More regarding the validity of the birth certificate:
Excellent points have been made here ranging from naivete to this as being one of many BarackTactics to slam down the credibility of the Republicans. But still, one has to question the validity of what has been presented to us and told basically…accept this and drop it. Another reason why the MSM is losing respect and the “Lou Dobbs” and few others are frustrated with the whole system.
POLLING STATISTICS
Some have you may have noticed that my spelling and grammer may not always be perfect. However, I happen to be very good with numbers. I am quite familiar with statistics. The only thing I can really say for certain is that most of what you are hearing is BS.
The two issues are significance and validity. A really good basic explanation can be found at: http://www.stonescryout.org/archives/2005/08/statistical_sig.html
When you hear those poll numbers they are telling you more about who conducted the poll than what is actually happening. I believe that the Gallup Poll is amongst the most reputable. So if you are seeing anything much different – someone is spinning.
Even if I copy my birth certificate you can see the raised seal on it. To be legal in the US I thought it had to have the raised seal. To get my pass port I could only use a birth cert. with raised seal. I don’t know why the 50 states did not make them universal looking so they all look the same and if so the raised seal shows when copied.
I hope Bill stay’s pissed good for him.
ShortTermer
Do you know what the scoop is on Rev Manning? I have seen and heard a few of his messages, I have heard he’s kinda crazy. He hates BO, hates Oprah for turning on women after we (women) made her so rich. This is Mannings words not mine, I dont want to upset anyone here.
Remember his “urgent message to Hillary”, wonder what ever came of that. He said he has the goods to take Bo down. Just curious. I kind of enjoy him. I mean how can I not. lol
I have heard the line over and over again, think about the supreme court, I tell them think about 2000 and 2004. Count every vote!!!!
Change we can believe in?
Obama: Change Agent Goes Conventional
By KENNETH P. VOGEL | 6/26/08 8:06 PM EST
Barack Obama has crafted an image as an unconventional candidate, a change agent and a post-partisan politician who represents a dramatic break from the status quo. But since securing the Democratic presidential nomination, when confronted with a series of thorny issues the Illinois senator has pursued a conspicuously conventional path, one that falls far short of his soaring rhetoric.
Faced with tough choices on fronts ranging from public financing and town hall meetings to warrantless surveillance and the Second Amendment, Obama passed up opportunities to take bold stands and make striking departures from customary politics. Instead, he has followed a familiar tack, straddling controversial issues and choosing politically advantageous routes that will ensure his campaign a cash edge and minimize damaging blowback on several highly sensitive issues.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11384.html
Manning did have a new video out discussing the Larry Sinclair arrest and more on BHO.
Larry also was interviewed last night and that is out there too.
Heard on the news tonight that Bill Clinton is “miffed” because BO has not contacted him by any means of communication. The news report said that Bill thought that out of respect for him being the former president and leader of the Dem party, BO should have at least contacted him by now. It is not nice to miff off Bill!!!
To me the birth certificate should be made public and then it would end any doubts. This could go on forever. It is our right to see it especially with someone running for President. To many things just don’t add up.
I don’t know who Jeff Rense is but he did the interview
#523 Vadaryl
See my post #533 for my opinion. The link has a confidence calculator linked to it, if you like to play with numbers.
#542 That’s what I’ve been saying all along. He should just present it and put this issue to rest once and for all.
I am so sick of Huffington and the Roe v Wade scare tactics. First of all I won’t be needing an abortion and either will most women. Second if you want to prioritize feminist issues I would choose…
1. The ability of qualified female candidates to run for office with out being mocked and derided by liberal democratic men.
2. Having a non sexist media.
3. Having the OPTION of cable TV a la carte so I would not have to subsidize garbage stations like MSNBC every time I pay my cable bill. Can you imagine how quickly this misogynist crap would stop if we could all call up and cancel our subscription to MSNBC and CNN instead of subsidizing them like we have to now. Frankly I am ready to cancel the entire cable subscription, I can download anything I really want to see 24 hours after it runs anyway and I can go to sports bars to watch any sports I care about.
Nothing pisses me off more than a bunch of “feminists” most of whom are post menopausal and many of whom are lesbian who think abortion is the single issue for women.
I posted the following in post #510 and NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON has commented!
#455 mpk – thank you for this comment. Too bad no one else feels the same way.
Think about how you would feel if you spent time, effort and money supporting this cause (as all of you have) and then someone publicly calls you a troll. How would you like it?
Murphy – I am impressed with you and your efforts but not others on this site, so I will be leaving.
PUMAs – You just lost a great member.
#428 william DenverCO
{{I think #410 thatswhattimeitis on 06.26.08 at 6:31 pm is an Obama troll? I might be wrong but I would bet on it.}}
So I just got back from dinner after working my a$$ off all day and check in to see the posts since before I left for dinner and this is the crap I find?
Thanks alot for calling me a troll, you jerk! I would like to know what you are basing this on.
I have been on this site for a while and had the same username over at the HRC website where I posted.
How dare you!
If she wants to respond, Murphy can verify I am sure that I have made a contribution to this site last week. I also made donations to the HRC site to pay down her debt.
Thanks for nothing, idiot.
Now they want to run on Bills record Gibbs on CNN is saying how great things were in the ninty’s I hope Bill stay’s the whole summer over seas.
I am certain the press will cover the Unity “event” live..I’m waiting patiently to see how many people show up to give Barack a little dose of “No you won’t”…Wish I could be there!
#541 middle age female
But Bo proclaimed the democratic party is now his! And said/did something (dont remember right now) to “make it clear” that he removed the Clintons from the head of the party. I really hate this man.
Obama’s communications director on Larry King saying Obama thinks everything Bill did while president was wonderful & he wants his ideas, etc. Hillary is married to Bill – she would have had more………………I hate these people & not all of Hillary’s big donors -said noway, nohow – good for them……………………..Paula is also on Larry King tonite along with the jerks from Emily’s List………………….
#521, yep! One of those tees had a “slum landlord” at the other end of the putt opening up the next green with a putt of “I don’t have a clue” regarding what the big deal was of being present or not being present…and on and on. Hillary did and does her homework.
Vadaryl on #523- Yahoo News is Yadumb. Don’t read it.
You deserve better.
ACTION;
We can email Larry King Live questions right now! Scroll under Show Him the Money!
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/
thatswhattimeitis
Hold on I just got on here and I am trying to go through the posts. We do not want to loose anyone that is here to help our cause. Some of us surf links and then try and post. Hang in there and I am sure you will get some answers
Clinton donors demanding roll call vote!
Clinton camp looking for Obama money
By MIKE ALLEN | 6/26/08 3:42 PM EST
The Obama campaign has stepped up the pressure on its donors to help Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) retire her campaign debt, but the Clinton campaign wants even more action, according to donors on both sides.
Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) are appearing together at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington Thursday night at a meeting of her biggest givers so she can introduce him and encourage them to fund his general election campaign.
Her campaign chairman and chief money man, Terry McAuliffe, will also speak. Obama will deliver remarks, and then they plan to open the floor to questions, according to organizers.
People who have talked with key Clinton donors say the donors want Obama to show a specific plan for helping her retire her campaign debt. These donors are holding back on donations to his campaign until they get that assurance, according to the sources.
In addition, Clinton’s superdelegates want her accorded the courtesy of a roll call vote at the August convention in Denver, although that issue may not come up at the Mayflower meeting, the sources said.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11380.html
You can bet that all the media outlets will be there, they want to see and discuss every move Hillary makes. For hours afterwards the talking heads will get every expert they can get to discuss her every move. It will be the talk of the weekend. Now if enough people can get their and make a big enough fuss that could change their coverage.
Did ya notice – all of the possum people are like f**king robots – they’re happy, happy, happy that these 2 wonder ful people are together – gRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR he’s not going to get us ………….
#523 vadaryl…The yahoo poll you are referring to is an internet poll probably over run by BO supporters. I would not give it any credence!! Polls can be used to fool people and very few are valid.
#547 thatswhattimeitis…please do not leave here simply because of one person’s comments. You are needed here and hope you can add your voice to ours as we support Hillary in her journey.
Re: Vote in poll
http://news.aol.com/?feature=20080626165709990001
Obama Winning Over Ex-Clinton Backers
Posted: Thursday 06/26/08 06:44 PM EDT
Filed Under: Elections News, Barack Obama
It looks like time is beginning to smooth over the rifts created by the prolonged Democratic primary fight. A new poll shows that Barack Obama has won more than half of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s former supporters since the bitter presidential contest ended. “It wasn’t a difficult decision,” says one ex-Clinton backer who chose to support Obama’s campaign.
It is really insulting those dumb ass women on CNN As a two time Clinton supporter I hope he stays mad as hell till 2012 Don’t come along Bill why should you.
#455 mpk
I agree with you. You said it nicely and with diginity
I shouldn’t have but I turned on CNN’s Election Center with Cambell Brown tonight. After listening to some woman from the Washington post, (Tara) and some woman from Huffington, (Ariana something) I just couldn’t help but to come online a drop off a quick email to CNN, which said,
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With all due respect,
All throughout this primary season, Cambell Brown, you as well as many other CNN anchors have been extremely biased, and sometimes downright mean when talking about Hillary Clinton.
The two women you had on tonight’s Election Center were a couple of idiots.
Do they really think that all of Hillary’s supporters are all women or that they are all dieheart Democrats. Well we are not.
We are people from all democraphics and from all age groups, … and yes, some of us are even registered Republicans.
When the party talks about this so called Unity, they are merely talking about the party elites and big donners…. but they are not talking about WE THE PEOPLE
Wake up…
We are not going away,
And we will NOT vote for OBAMINATION,
EVER!
And btw, for mr O to donate $2,300 to Hillary is just another slap in the face.
HE PLAYED THE RACE CARD and not Hillary…. Have you ever gone into some website blogs and listened to his people… they are rude, vile and obscene.
Your show tonight was a mockery!
I’ve been boycotting CNN for weeks now… and will again….
In Sympathy with,
PUMA PAC
Getting stronger every day.
My question sent to Larry King;
What makes OB think that the 18 million Clinton voters will support him financially or at the polls? I for one will not. Show us what he has done for our country. He has no experience to run our country. Remember he was “selected” not “elected”.
PUMA Democrat
#547 thatswhattimeitis
I didn’t want to enter the fray earlier, but I’ll jump in briefly. Please don’t allow one rude person to discourage you. Most folks here know that you support Hillary and are dedicated to our cause.
I was wrongfully called a troll at Hillary’s web site, partly because so few of my posts showed up that people didn’t have a good sense of who I was. It hurt my feelings, so I understand your reaction today.
Please stay with us. Every Puma counts. Every Puma is important.
#547 thatswhattimeitis
A poster told these guys to stop calling people trolls, so the issue was dropped for the evening.
thatswhattimeitis,
I wasn’t able to post at Hillary’s website for the past six months or so, so I didn’t hang out there much, but I’m sure there are folks here who blogged with you. Personally, I’ve seen no reason for anyone to call you a troll. It’s too bad your accuser doesn’t seem to be here to answer for this, but please don’t leave. Murphy may be out of the net right now, but I’m sure she will straighten this out. Please reconsider.
Dear Night Shift Pumas,
I shan’t be online until much later tonight. I’ll be fencing this evening, wielding my trusty foil and saber with my equally crazy friends. But for your entertainment, I re-post something I wrote earlier.
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To my fellow Pumas who mourn the show of unity Hillary must now provide, I offer this …
I like to look at this as though I were a fiction writer who understands that great stories demand great conflict. Great stories demand that the heroine be continually beset with seemingly insurmountable obstacles, each one bigger and tougher than the one before it, until finally it appears that all is lost. Then, and only then, can the writer allow the heroine to emerge victorious and provide the audience with the most delicious and satisfying ending possible.
This is still Act II, dear Pumas, not Act III. And in Act II, things must still get worse before they can get better. Our heroine Hillary fought valiantly during a difficult primary season, and yet she failed to secure the nomination. So now, the plot thickens. Now our heroine Hillary must do the heretofore unthinkable and infiltrate enemy territory. It’s a more daring and precarious plan that she has undertaken before, but her options are few.
Key to her success is convincing the evil Nobama and his ilk that she supports him wholeheartedly. But her loyal Pumas know better. So do our allies in other camps. It’s a ruse. It’s a diversion. It’s 18 million cracks in a glass ceiling through which we can slip in and attack. It is a brilliant plan, dear Pumas.
Like you, I fear for our heroine Hillary in the clutches of the evil Nobama. But we must remain brave and stalwart Pumas. We must do the things that our heroine Hillary cannot do now.
Sadly, not all of us can march on Denver. Not all of us have the resources to help pay down Hillary’s debt. Not all of us are gifted at writing letters and emails. But by pooling our energies and resources, we can do great things. Together, we are invincible.
#547….Why let one person drive you off the site?..If you recall there were some people who did the same thing at the HRC site and it always made me uncomfortable…unless you know with sure and certain knowledge that someone is a troll then why accuse and berate a person who may just be new to the site or someone who usually just reads and decided to jump in for a change…stick around thatswhattimeitis we’ve got work to do!
EXAMINATION OF THE OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!
# 478 notfallinginline, That is the most detailed description and examination of Obama’s birth certificate I have seen to date. I sent a copy of the story to Donna, Howard and Nancy. Thanks for the link, and for those of you who missed it:
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/06/20/was_obamas_certificate_of_birth_manufactured.thtml
One Love
At the big donor event tonight Hillary is wearing all black according to the pictures on CNN.
I agree but 1 out of 5 is still a high number, if that continues then BHO could be in trouble. What does that come out to based on 18 million votes – 3,600,000
#560 I am sure they had to look for awhile to find that Clinton supporter who chose to support Obama. The polls are a bunch of S***. You can make a poll say anything you want it to. Isn’t it interesting that this poll comes out tonite before both candidates meet in Unity? Obama wants it to look good for him.
#547 thatswhattimeitis
Not sure what happened, but please don’t leave. We need everyone here. We all have the same goal.
Don’t let one person ruin this for you.
CNN, called us a “minority” fringe group who are still grieving but given the time will come around, because they said, we just need to be re-educated.
I AM FURIOUS!!!
#410 whatsthetimeitis
I do not see anything wrong with your remark. I myself figured that the birth cert had to be checked out by now although I have doubts on being able to see the raised seal and like I said before that if I copy mine you can see a raised seal on the copy
Hang in there thatswhattimeitis
#523 vadaryl… and everyone… I want to remind us all of something…
60 + % of all news “headlines” are generated by Press Releases submitted by those wanting those headlines.
In those Press Releases sent in to the news orgs is an outline of bulleted info with reference to the “facts” supporting the topics.
Did you also know that BHO is probable spending a million a month on “marketing and publicist fees for his campaign and several million a month on advertising (in those medias where they are also sending the Press Releases of what they want those medias to write about / announce / spin / etc.)
These are the FACTS – it’s called the “Branding of a Candidate” just like the branding (“name brand”) of Campbell Soup, Lexus, Netflix, etc.
In high-dollar branding campaigns, they tell you:
What it is, why you need it, how much you are going to like it, and what’s wrong with the other “products on the market, and what will happen to you if you do not buy it.
thatswhattimeitis: We are a big and happy family here, I love all my Puma friends. I would hope you don’t leave this site, as I am sure there would be more than a few disappointed readers, I enjoy your posts and hope to continue reading them. God Bless
One Love
Terry drank the kool aid……………..:(
#547 thatswhattimeitis – sorry, I did not see your post. I hope you will rethink and stick around.
Hello everyone.
PUMA Pac’s request on “Troll-Trouncing”
If you have suspicions of a troll, DO NOT announce them on the blog. Send your suspicions to murphy@pumapac.org, and move on. You are not forced to communicate with that person.
It is of the UTMOST importance that we do not bicker amongst ourselves and continue to welcome new members with open arms. This blog is not private and our words are out there for everyone to see, member or not.
We try to keep PUMA Pac as troll-free as possible, however, our moderator is not a ‘machine’ and needs rest and personal time.
Let’s strive to be the adults that the Obots are not, shall we?
Carry on with the real fight.
MarylandPUMA
Questions? Feel free to email me. You should know the addy by now. LOL
POST FOR HILLARY
HEY! The following is up for posting:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/06/26/clinton_asks_latino_leaders_to.html
PUMA
510 thatswhattimeitis
p.s. I would have commented sooner, but I wasnt home. Sorry.
#579 He said before he would back the Party. Remember he is the one that told us not to listen to media and he is also the one who started the Thank You cards to Senator Clinton and asked us to write 1 in 18 million and “take it to Denver”. I believe there is more gong on than we know or will know until the time is right. Hillary just does not seem like the person that will back down. That’s my 2 cents.
See, I told you earlier this CNN show would be bull and it is.
#584 Sorry should be going NOT gong.
I still had this hope that something crazy would happen before the convention and Hillary would end up winning but driving home from work and hearing that she was meeting with BHO tonight and thinking about tomorrow’s event I maybe just giving that hope up.
Okay, we really need to rasie some money and get our message out there.
These people really believe that most of Hillary’s (60-70%)supporters will support Obama. Where do they come up with these numbers.
Important information about Israel and their position on attacking Iran in conjuction with their view of *61′s stance on Iran and its effect on Israel: The USA presdidential election is too important to Israel right now. Wow, I think that the DNC (Dean, Pelosy, Reid) must be feeling the pressure right now, they SELECTED such an unprepared candidate.
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/bolton_israel_iran/2008/06/25/107224.html?s=al&promo_code=64FD-1
I can’t take it – hell will freeze over before I will vote for an empty suit – I will spread the word, put up flyers, whatever I can do to help defeat that possum. I hope PUMAS show up in Unity in record numbers. If I didn’t live so far away, I would be there……………….how can people do 180′s – we have been reviled and more and are supposed to just forget it because of the party, if it wasn’t for the party, this wouldn’t be happening.
Thatswhattimeitis
On behalf of PumaPac, please accept my apologies for not addressing the issue sooner. I was putting my young un to bed.
This is a place where all are welcome if they check the negativity at the portal.
I hope you’ll reconsider and keep growling with us.
MarylandPUMA
I fear the Super Delegates are next to go.
Hey Everyone!!! I’ve been traveling but wanted to check-in. I sent more e-mails to SD’s today, and mailed off a pair of flip flops to Dean and Pelosi.
ACTION ALERT
Lastly, on Anderson Cooper’s 360 tonight (10:00PM Eastern), they are having a spotlight on women who are angry and will not be supporting Obama. Remember, Anderson has an open blog which he is on throughout his show. We need to get on there at 10 Eastern and let them hear us!!! Remember, that our focus should be on the DNC – that’s where our anger is truly directed. Don’t let the Obamabots get us off message. Hope everyone is having a great night!!!
#570 DaddysDarlin
Thanks for that link as I have not seen that much detail before when I went surfing for the birth cert. Now I have many doubts after seeing this.
#587 That is just what they want you to do!! Stay focused on Hillary . It is hard at times to stay positive but remember we only hear what the media wants us to. There are many trying to get us to “fall in line”….don’t!
#577 wontbackdown… the TRICK IS:
1) To SELL the BRAND… SPEND MILLIONS SELLING THE “BRAND”
2) To get you to believe that if you do not buy the “BRAND”, something is wrong with you!
Now, The Other trick is:
1) If they cannot get the “Target Market” to fall in line, the numbers don’t work, because they cannot keep pouring the Millions in if the “Return on Investment”… the market buying (revenues) donations.. don’t keep coming in;
2) The public finds out the “product” is inferior, doesn’t live up to the hype, or the public just doesb’t like it enough to keep buying it;
3) the negative publicity about the “product” is more than the Press Releases and Advertising can outrun (that’s us)
#571 BigCatLover
Maybe she got the DAILY GROWL!
I have never seen a canidate with this many questions after running for 15 months. Something is wrong with this picture.
CNN Breaking News Sen. Barack Obama has personally donated $2,300, the maximum allowed, to the campaign of his former opponent, Sen. Hillary Clinton.
Excuse me while I think of the right words to say. Oh, big fat deal.
Just a heads-up – we are in moderation. If your posts have more than one link, they will get delayed.
Please don’t get upset if the words “Your comment is in moderation” appear at the bottom of your posted comment. It will show shortly.
MDPUMA
Keep your Clinton sticker/signs up but it’s also time to put up McCain. We went on a ride today and saw several BO stickers/signs but only 1 for McCain. Even mine is still in a drawer at home. I think we need to show some support so that the race does not get lopsided.
I will have Hillary on one window and McCain on the other.
Sent Murphy another email asking for the mailing address.
#592 Maryland Puma
Amen……..you said it nicely
#597 Maryland PUMA
Exactly.
Hey Everyone!!! I’ve been traveling but wanted to check-in. I sent more e-mails to SD’s today, and mailed off a pair of flip flops to Dean and Pelosi.
ACTION ALERT
Lastly, on Anderson Cooper’s 360 tonight (10:00PM Eastern), they are having a spotlight on women who are angry and will not be supporting Obama. Remember, Anderson has an open blog which he is on throughout his show. We need to get on there at 10 Eastern and let them hear us!!! Remember, that our focus should be on the DNC – that’s where our anger is truly directed. Don’t let the Obamabots get us off message. Hope everyone is having a great night!!!
My daughter put on a movie so I don’t get discusted at the TV tonight.
CNN, called us a “minority” fringe group who are still grieving but given the time will come around, because they said, we just need to be re-educated.
I don’t even know if I should laugh or cry at that statement. ‘re-educate’ is the term communists countries and evil dictators use to “convince” people that their government knows best. To that, I give the DNC and the msm, the middle finger.
# 593 FLgayGuy4Hill
Thank you for the info. If I am still awake I will be there.
#604 thanks for that info.
That’s What Time It Is,
I do hope you will reconsider.
We do have a troll-free policy which is why accusations of trolling on the blog are a really bad idea.
We ARE all in this together. There aren’t any trolls here.
I know because I have them trapped and squirming in the Puma PAC dungeon.
We need to be wonderful to each other.
#606 mini vee
It’s CNN and the rest of the MSM that need an education!
Maybe someone will find that Whitie tape and release it tomorrow. Did anyone invite Rev. Manning, Larry Sinclair, Larry Johnson, any other colorful person to the invent tomorrow.
I keep forgeting that John McCain said he would appoint more women to higher levels I quit Emily’s list .
#505 Wontbackdown, #501 Jeremy:
The situation with McCain was a bit different; Legislation was not changed to accommodate him. McCain was born in the Republic of Panama to two US Citizens while his father was serving in the military there. Likely, he was born at Gorgas Hospital in Panama a US Department of Defense hospital for US military and US Department of Defense civilians in Panama, hence the military bases in Panama were a US territory until December of 1999 when the Canal was transferred back to the Republic of Panama. the Panama Canal Treaty with the US should have definitive clauses on this issue.
I hope this helps…
She’s Moved On?
New York Times;
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/26/obama-clinton-meeting-fest/index.html?hp
June 26, 2008, 8:57 pm
Obama-Clinton Meeting Fest
By Jeff Zeleny
WASHINGTON – Senator Barack Obama said Thursday that he had written a personal check of $2,300 to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, a goodwill gesture intended to nudge his top donors to help ease Mrs. Clinton’s debt and help the two Democrats move beyond their rivalry to focus on the fall campaign.
“I wrote my check to the Hillary for President committee,” said Mr. Obama, who was greeted with booming applause from some of Mrs. Clinton’s top supporters.
In a ballroom at the Mayflower hotel here, Mrs. Clinton introduced Mr. Obama to about 300 of her leading contributors, most of whom raised at least $100,000 for her campaign. It was the first time the senators shared a stage since she suspended her candidacy and endorsed him nearly three weeks ago.
The invitation-only gathering came on the eve of a joint appearance, with Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton set to arrive on Friday afternoon in the small town of Unity, N.H. to appear before television cameras in a carefully-crafted rollout of their renewed friendship and newfound partnership. Mrs. Clinton vowed to help Mr. Obama defeat Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee.
“Time is always a great healer,” Vernon Jordan, a longtime friend of the Clintons, said in an interview as he left the event, which he described as a cordial affair. “There’s only one issue: winning.”
Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton arrived separately and entered through a side door of the hotel, a few blocks from the White House, bypassing a half-dozen protestors positioned by the front of entrance who held signs urging Mr. Obama to consider Mrs. Clinton as his running mate and to help retire her campaign debt. His top political advisers were on hand, mingling and chatting with Mrs. Clinton’s contributors.
In her public remarks, Mrs. Clinton asked of nothing from her former rival and pledged her full support.
“I am asking you to do everything you can to help elect Barack Obama,” Mrs. Clinton told a group of nurses before arriving at the evening event. “I have debated him in more debates than I can remember and I have seen his passion and his determination and his grit and his grace. In his own life he has lived the American dream.”
Terry McAuliffe, the campaign chairman for Mrs. Clinton, said it was time to get her contributors “fired up for the general election.” As Mr. McAuliffe walked through the hotel’s stately lobby, he was greeted by several Clinton supporters who embraced him and spoke longingly about Mrs. Clinton’s candidacy.
“This is unity. Bringing together these folks is a good piece of that,” Mr. McAuliffe said. “It was a great race. She got 18 million votes and she realizes what was accomplished. No one likes to lose, but you know what? She’s moved on.”
Yea, Cynthia Rucci – making some great points on CNN.
Cynthia Ruccia (sp) is defending Just Say No Deal on Larry King. Says we are over 3 million strong. Talking about sexism.
Emily’s list just went on my *hit list.
#547 thatswhattimeitis
I think it was agreed during the first week that we wouldn’t call people out as “trolls”. That a few of the early members would deal with trolls. The people who joined later probably missed that early post.
I’d been trying (and failing badly) to ignore insensitive/ ignorant (read sexist, racist, looks-ist, ageist) / crude remarks, but this week when I was thinking about abandoning this group and searching for another, I decided, (I think finally), that I wasn’t willing to give it up. Just as I have decided, (I think finally), not to abandon my party.
Now when I read any of the aforementioned, I comment on them or move on. If I ignore some of those comments but find that they are still bothering me after a few days, I’ll post a comment retroactively.
thatswhattieisit. I hope you’ll reconsider and stay.
Oh, this post reminded me:
Pookies’s statement (on Monday? night):
“… I see Obama now prefers possum twat (i know, I’m bad).”
Appalling.
344 thatswhattimeitis on 06.26.08 at 5:22 pm, WROTE,
[[ Murphy - do you think it would be a good idea to make the ACTION page(s) more visible? It seems to be tucked away and hard to find, which gives the impression that it is not that important (while it is the MOST important). ]]
I agree! Matter of fact, I have mentioned a few times here that I thought there should be a main page for the Search Engines to follow. For example, a http://www.pumapac.org/index.html page
The fact that this blog does not contain the important information on top, as you suggest is due to the limitations of the free version of WordPress. That is one of the bad features about using WordPress… it is not very versitile. However there are TEMPLATES that can be installed. So if Murphy doesnt know how she needs to find a webmaster and programmer who does.
[[ Everyone - does everyone think it would be a good idea to put “ACTION” at the top of any post that requests action from fellow members, or states an action that you have taken that others may want to take also?]]
Yes–and more. It should be in the MAIN MENU BAR, as well as on the right panel. Matter of fact, the right panel should contain an entire LIST of pages but does not.
Go to my website one of my web sites andd see what I mean,
http://www.newagehaven.com
That one is linked to,
http://www.newagehavenusa.com
The 2nd one is where I have a giftshop… and some items might do well for fundraisers, like this one,
http://www.newagehavenusa.com/american-flag-pins-with-shop-display-pack-p-2886.html
http://www.newagehavenusa.com/heritage-collection-american-pride-c-332_325.html
http://www.newagehavenusa.com/american-flag-twirlers-pack-p-2895.html
And btw, I don’t think you are a troll. I think you are making some good constructive criticisms that if used can increase the efficiency of this site and make it more user friendly.
As to why no one responded… cant talk for everyone here, but I stopped reading for dinner and then watched some TV. ~smile
IOW,
Please stay!!!
We need you.
We need some way for people who get home from work with 900 posts to read (like I did yesterday!) a way to quickly get to requested actions if they do not have time at the moment to read all of the posts. P.S. NOT AT ALL complaining on the number of posts. I am hoping soon that it will 9000!]]
Terry is always upbeat, is she really moving on or is there something else going on.
Thatswhattimeitis… I was busy writing my posts and didn’t see your post.
(P.S. I have learned recently on this blog that because of differing cultures, writing styles, viewpoints about the same subjects, I, or anyone on here can have days or expressions, or even personal issues that may appear adversarial, covert, angry, or even like my “maladaptive blogging personality” needing a drink after a looooonnng day of coping with the political b*sht going on and my “NOBO, NOBO, NOBO, NOBO” winder runs completely down!)
#611 That “whitey” tape will be released when the time is right. I have absolutely no doubt about it.
I was on a conference call last night with Cynthia and others & she said exactly what she said she was going to say & except for the 3 million part – I missed that on the call…………………………….that’s alot of pissed off women & remember, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned…………take that empty suit……………….
I have friends who say, “you are a democrat and Hill and no name are so close on the issues, why can’t you vote for BO? ” I said first I vote for the person, the party is secondary. It’s personality before principles on this one for me and usually I profess it to be the other way around. I cannot stomach this man. I got a fundraising letter from him tonight and sent an empty envelope back through the mail. Was going to say something nasty but thought better of it.
I do not believe that we are the “fringe” and will come over…
I am thoroughly disgusted with people who want me to “fall in line”…….for this arrogant, insincere, unauthentic pathetic excuse for a candidate for the highest office in the land? How, did this happen to us again? How? Did the Republicans orchestrate this one too? I am starting to believe we have been Roved again.
Murphy I just want to commend you for the great job you are doing. It’s just great how this site has grown.
Also, I want to say hi to everyone, sorry I haven’t been in a while, been really busy, will try to stay active.
As for our myspace site, I just want to say that it is growing, and fast. If you haven’t done so, please join us there as well.
Does anyone know if Cynthia Ruccia is based in Columbus Ohio (where she is tonight). I live in Columbus, so I’m interested in investigating her group further.
Here are 2 more links to no quarter where Larry Johnson is working to try and get attention to the bc. He links others articles he has written in this series down at the bottom.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/25/hawaiian-official-quoted-birth-certificate-challenged/
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/06/25/birth-certificate-conundrum-for-obama/
Sorry I meant #591 Maryland Puma not #592
Amen……….you said it nicely
I think I am just too tired to post comments so I am just going to read in the back ground
601 taylorgrob on 06.26.08 at 9:34 pm
My Hillary decal (her signature) is on the left side of my truck and —-McCain—- is on the right. A lot of talk tonight regarding polls. My poll is the visibility of support via bumper stickers/yard signs. My count for Barack stickers this week is less than 5. I have seen 2 with McCain. I am from the Houston,TX area. What state are you reporting from, if I may ask? Also, I remember seeing several of your posts on Hill’s site. Good to see you again.
~J
Yes she is and in fact, I thought she would be quite insulted if she read the blog about why don’t we just vote for Mary Kay because I believe she President of Mary Kay here in Columbus. She has been quite active,as you know, in the mysogeny (sp?) aspect of this debacle.
I mailed ny bumper sticker back to Emily’s list Terry didn’t seem that impressed she isn’t smiling on the cell phone picture she looks broken I hate the DNC
OMG! This woman on Larry King is saying Obama is not guilty of sexism!! OMG! What planet is she from?
Hey to everyone, i have an idea, to all those that want to do a write in and write in Senator Clinton’s name in November, why don’t you write PUMA instead. Afterall, in some states a write in for Clinton can go to Obama since they are both from the same party, and you don’t want that.
So I say write PUMA instead.
Yes she is and in fact, I thought she would be quite insulted if she read the blog about why don’t we just vote for Mary Kay for President because I believe she President of Mary Kay here in Columbus. She has been quite active,as you know, in the mysogeny (sp?) aspect of this debacle.
#599 bythelake…….. Don’t you just want to Puke at the audacity?
First Ms MO-BHO saying how wonderful Hillary is and now BHO throwing some change at the Real President Elect!
Did you all see this on LKing’s website?
VIEWER’S CHOICE! Let us know who YOU want to see MOST on Larry King Live!
I say we bombard him with Murphy and PumaPac. Tell him we want to know more.
Here’s the edress: larrykingguests@cnn.com.
Have fun kitties!
#493 wontbackdown
I thought the same thing you said. It’s obvious that the bc they produced was fabricated. NO doubt. Over at Texas Darlin blog, she’s doing some investigative work on it, and she’s not letting go. No matter how you slice it, Barak is a Fraud. Just sayin’.
PUMAs,
I am still all freaked about the non-reality of the MSM. I am in Florida where he is not well liked. I went to one of his events last Saturday and there was no one there. None of the local papers featured his conference with Hillary. I have seen 4 bumper stickers for BO in the last 3 months. Are people displaying BO bumper stickers in other places?
368 thatswhattimeitis on 06.26.08 at 5:41 pm, WROTE,
Cosmeta wrote,
[[ For those like us, you have each member of your family write a separate check.
Husband 2,300
Wife 2,300
Plus other family members}}]]
thatswhattimeitis responded,
[[ Got it - so no one is really ever “maxed out”.]]
Well… not really. But there are always go arounds or loop holes. The maximum says 2,300 hundred so for those like us, I guess that all depends on how many members one has to their family unit. So sooner or later they would max out. Still, my point is, one can extend that maximum figure or stretch it out some by the methods they use.
Just think… if you had a company with 100 people. If you give under your company name you can only give the 2,300; but if you said to your offices or employees, write a check or else… then all of a sudden the campaign has $2,300 X 100 people, or $230,000.00 — See!
Cause that’s what Mr O did with lobbyists!
thatswhattimeitis and william DenverCO,
Both of you please stay. I’m sorry that it happened, thatswhattimeitis -that such suspicion was aimed at you. I say both because Will might be feeling bad and duck out on us too. We are all a little gun shy. The bots/trolls are present even though they’re not -because we are on alert and are used to fighting off bots empty and poisonous rants.
Let’s all get focused and fight the good fight.
Again, please both of you realize your value here.
Best,
JGoldman1
Lorelai
Thanks for the info.
#626 – yes she is – this is a grassroots movement – send an email to WomenFor FairPolitics.com………someone will get back to you.
Hey folks I’m new here so please tell me what i can do to help.I have felt so sorry for Hillery and the way the dnc did her it makes my blood boil. I did copy the Pelosi letter, is it to late to send it I don’t know when you started. I have never voted in my life This will be my first time ever.My husband is 67 and he has never voted in his life either, but I talked him in to registering so he could vote like me, for McCain.WE MUST STOP OBAMA
Is Obama’s mother alive? Any chance she’d be willing to answer a few questions about his birthplace? Think about this…he doesn’t speak too highly of her, she may be willing to talk to us.
Who cares about equal pay like that is going to happen thirty five years and there is nothing new they can say that will make me vote for BO and Now the congresswoman doesn’t think there are that many of us this party is what I am mad at so no issue will change my mind unless they want to put HIllary the rightful winner at the top of the ticket what don’t they understand !!! The party is broke.
Does anybody know anything about this:
http://www.charlottefrontandcenter.com/
and their project:
http://www.charlottefrontandcenter.com/post_card_project
Thanks to the following people for their comments:
#554 Barbara 4 Hill – thank you for being the first to respond.
#559 Battle 4 the Hill
#565 Firebelle Puma
#567 antifish
#569 dmrr
#574 on the rocks
#576 Battle4Hill
#578 daddysdarlin
#580 middle age female
#583 daddysdarlin
#591 Maryland PUMA
anyone who I may have missed
** and last but not least #455 mpk – thanks again for your comment when I wasn’t online to defend myself.
It caught me by surprise and it wasn’t warranted.
I am sorry that I got so upset, but I really believe in our cause and it really hurt to be called a troll publicly for no reason (that I could see). I realized after I had a knee-jerk reaction and posted that for all to see that I probably should have handled it privately. But I really didn’t want everyone to think I was a troll and treat me as such.
Thanks again for your comments and I hope to meet all of you in person someday so you can see for yourself!
Murphy – please delete any posts related to this if possible.
I’ve been gone for four days, but I thought about our cause everyday.
My husband still watches CNN, and Cafferty’s question today was: “What role should Hillary Clinton play in the Democratic Convention”? I answered him: She should be the Democratic nominee for President. That was stolen from her by the DNC and super delegates behind closed doors. They selected “their” nominee.
Of course he didn’t read it on the air. I will be sending Hillary another card with money in to help with her debt.
Please don’t anyone blame Hillary for what she has to say and do for Obama. I just hope her supporters are smart enough to know this isn’t what she wants..
I’m beat, so I will post more tomorrow..
Purrs to all.
I think if she has “moved on” and really wanted us to support BO she would tell us. My God she knows about these groups. You know something like ‘and to all my wonderful PUMA friends who are still supporting our dream, it is time to………’ But I am not hearing that, if she wanted us to stop and move on too, I think she would tell us. Anyone agree?
510 & 547 Thatswhattimeitis – All of us that share the common cause we are fighting for need to stay together. We shouldn’t divide and go in different directions. Please reconsider.
“Murphy” – is it possible to verify our bloggers are true members before they are allowed to submit a blog so that in the future, we are not seeing any disagreeable comments among ourselves?
#636 Maryland Puma
Ah —– now isn’t that something that we can have some fun with. Thank you for making my evening a little briter
#631 kids1627…What cell Phone Picture? Of Hillary?
Is there a link to a story with the cell phone pic?
I have seen plenty of BHO bumper stickers here in VA and very few McCain. But I have to say the cars with BHO stickers are on the high end if that means anything.
#648 hillfan4mccain
I agree with you. I haven’t found a message that Hillary is sending to us and at this point I truly think she would not mince words and come right to the point and she isn’t doing that.
BattlefortheHill – no Senator Obama’s mother passed away a few years ago.
Candy Crowley said some donors just didn’t show up this evening for the joint donor event and others said they were not overwhelmed
Heh
There’s a cable show called: “Corwin’s Quest”. The one showing tonight (I didn’t watch) is called
The Puma’s Prowess. I half expected to see Murphy on there.
# 648 I agree with you 100%. I think she is going to play nice for now. She might need these people in four years.
They were showing it on CNN she is not that happy in that meeting
#652 vadaryl
I too am seeing a lot of expensive vehicles in Va with bo bumper stickers and I thought that was mccain country
I don’t know if Hillary can come right out and say enough let’s move on, she can say thank you and put that effort into winning in November. I thought maybe she said some of that last night.
#655
the rest of my comment did not post – it was that some Clinton donors were not overwhelmed with BO.
She has no choice right now but there is really an undercurent and Candy C on CNN is lying like a dog.
There are Senator Clinton fundraisers who DID NOT show up for the fundraiser. We are not the only ones who are not falling in line.
Uh, I can’t stand, uh, to listen, uh, to Obama speak. I, uh, shiver at the thought of, uh, having to listen, uh, to him for, uh, four years.
#655 BigCatLover: I don’t watch CNN. It is on my boycott list. Candy’s statement sounds good even with the negative tone. Donor’s not showing up could mean that they are not buying into this so called “unity” plan designed by Barack and Associates. Is that how it played out visually? Thanks.
I have seen about 30 noname stickers and a few yard signs. I live in Groton, CT. CT has a lot of democrats but the area I live in is mainly republicians. Lots of active duty Navy and veterans.
#652 vadaryl #659 Barbara4hill
Is that northern Va?
#663 Roxy4hill2,
I wish we could find out who they are. Maybe they’d help us out with some funds.
#646 thatswhattimeitis
You are very welcome. Glad to see you hung in there !
Is there any kind of message that the donors did not show up. What really happened when Hillary and Obama met a few weeks ago. Something is just not right. Everytime I start to give the whole thing up, something like this happens and makes me wonder all over again.
Someone who was at the meeting tonight is talking to Anderson Cooper on the phone said that is brave of Obama to come into that room with Hillary supporters. Yeah, poor guy had to come and pick up his checks.
Yes it is NVA.
CNN is on my boycott list also as well as msnbc.I could not help myself tonight .
#669
CNN did not report who those fundraisers were. The most interesting part to me was *61 left almost immediately and did not stay for questions. A fundraiser for Senator Clinton stated that and the fundraiser did not think that was such a good idea.
#668 hillfan4mccain
Virginia Beach, Norfolk, Chesapeake it is all south eastern VA. and 2 weeks ago I saw bumper stickers for bo in Williamsburg but all on very expensive vehicles. I was surprised because I thought McCain ruled there.
Hillary is always full of smiles when she is talking about her campaign and supporters. Remember she got all our thank you notes and flowers. She knows we won’t back down.
#666 Jeremy
I’m giving a running commentary for those who don’t have cable or can’t stand to watch CNN. You can see the shock and amazement on Candy’s face/voice and whoever was talking on the phone with Anderson. Maybe some of them are finally getting the message, although they are desperately putting the best face on it.
#668 hillfan4mccain
Not to be ulgy but a lot of them were rude drivers. I kept saying to my husband ” there goes another rude bo supporter”
#675 Yeah, why stay around and talk with the people whose money you want. Typical.
Oh my someone may have posted this already so forgive me if this is a repeat but I can’t get over it. S.Obama has given 2300 to S. Clinton’s campaign. My heart runneth over. Well PUMAs job is done we have nothing left to live for -now we have nothing to whine about for cryin’ out loud
To,
#31 LoveHillary on 06.26.08 at 11:29 am,
Regarding Hillary’s comment.
I don’t think Mr O realizes how very condescending his really is. For example, in an attempt to compliment Hillary, he said something like, She’s a great woman and I am so glad she ran against me because she has made it easier for my daughters to believe that someday they can become President of the US. Or some such.
When I heard that, I wanted to reach out and ring his neck, (and said sarcastically, but without intent). I mean, the nerve of him to say such a thing. I was not supporting Hillary and donating to her cause so his daughters could become president. I was not voting for her to uplift his daughters. I was supporting her because I truly believe she is our last best hope in this campaign.
And I still do.
When the msm was waiting for Hillary to ‘concede’, Candy C made the remark stating it was time to for her to step aside that “she knows were her place is”. Even coming from a women it just pi$$ed me to no end.
675 roxy4hill2 on 06.26.08 at 10:12 pm
The most interesting part to me was *61 left almost immediately and did not stay for questions.
CNN should know by now that if there is no teleprompter, he is taking a quick exit. Mendacity can clear any room.
#681 mpk
I guess bo thinks now we might fall in line with his hefty 2300……………..WRONG !!!
that’swhattimeitis please stay with us. lately several of us have had bot tinglies going off. I think if any get through on this site they will be mostly lurking. they generally like to start a brawl and keep it going as you well know. We just need to keep our focus on finding ways to take back our country! it’s going to take all of us or we’ll be seeing rev. wright pardoning the thanksgiving turkey next year
ACTION;
Go Post! Anderson Cooper
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/
I live in Republican country and you never see bumper stickers like the dems put on thier cars I saw a few Bush in 2000 and 2004 I haven’t seen any McCain except the one next to my Hillary sticker on my car.
#678 BigCatLover… what cnn program are you on? I can’t find it!
Bumper Stickers for BO
I’m retired so don’t travel much on a daily basis but I saw very, very few during the primary and only one since it ended. Of course, Ohio went big for Hillary although we have a gazillion colleges and universities in this area.
#679
I ask, I am from Northern Va and its a lot more liberal than the rest of the state. VA is a red state however this time the AA vote from southern and rual VA may change red to blue.
#646 vadaryl
I have no idea about it. Is there a link to this website at JustSayNoDeal?
#678 Thanks BigCatLover. That is what I was picturing. Appreciate the verification.
Abc did report on protesters outside for Hillary
#689 wontbackdown
It’s Anderson Cooper on CNN.
Hey All,
We have a very special, skeptical overnight kitten up tonight.
Tomorrow is another day!
Take it upstairs!
Okay – I blogged on Cooper’s site – it’s full of possom supporters & I can’t watch any more………………..
#683 hillfan4mccain on 06.26.08 at 10:15 pm, WROTE,
[[ When the msm was waiting for Hillary to ‘concede’, Candy C made the remark stating it was time to for her to step aside that “she knows were her place is”. Even coming from a women it just pi$$ed me to no end.]]
Candy Crowley is on CNN’s Election Center with Cambell Brown. Yes, that made me angry as well. Moreso when she said, If she doesn’t go along the Party will blame her if BHO loses in the fall to McCain.
I mean… do these people ever stop dumping on her!!! Or, for suggesting that everytime something goes wrong with the campaign that it is her fault. Like staying in the race too long because she was winning. My gosh… these people are infuriating. And the longer they speak the more they put their foot in their mouth.
And I thought I was the only woman who got dumped on for being nice… really!!!
Good evening PUMAs. First I want t thank you for explaining *61. I admit it. I didn’t know what it meant !
There is a lot energy on the blog tonight. I wish I could acknowledge all the posts. Some great comments. Some negative, but that’s OK. We are here to express ourselves, so ifwe get a little hot uner the collar, I can accept that. But no attacks on fellow PUMAs. That’s not nice.
Tomorrow is going to rough. Will need to get positive after the Unity-thing. Need to get into action with the SDs , and whoever else needs to hear from us.
Murphy…are we on track with the $. That will be key is PUMAs are to make an impact.
I am left wondering in all of this…The Republicans?..Why aren’t they all over BO and all the baggage he has. Am I missing it? I don’t watch MSM that much anymore. Are they waiting for after the convention to attack ? They will need to bring out the big guns soon.
I don’t know how I found about #646. One of those sites.
#686 Taffy
OMG ………….rev. wright pardoning the thanksgiving turkey………………we need to keep focused
I haven’t been here all day, can somebody please help me catch up on what’s been going on all day?
thatswhattimeitis-my blessings to you. none of us know who is who and quite honestly I don’t care (well I do I know that you are all good people). Several people who I love a lot are supporters of Obama (I’m not saying you are by the way) and I will always love them-they like us are making a decision in good faith and in keeping with their conscience. Who am I to judge?? I see it differently and I will act according to my conscience. Now the persons on Obama sites who are acting like idiots-well let them alone-who knows what pain they are in-what fears they have
I just heard a little of the sound bites on CNN, don’t know what to think. Now there onto Bill again. Leave the guy alone.
Barack’s $2300 sounds like he took a lose in regards to “his” version of unity.
Regardless of the donation, etc…he will not get my vote. He will not get other’s votes. He will not get a lot of votes.
When the transcripts or video is posted on CNN.COM be sure to read them. Senator Clinton NEVER once said help elect *61 to be the president, she said a DEMOCRAT she never said he will be the president. Telling to me..
Anyone see Larry King tonight? Two Hillary supporters were on, but I missed them.
For those who haven’t seen this….check out “his” comments about 1/2 way through article. Hmmm…couldn’t Bill get a severe case of food poisoning or something in Europe? With what the Clintons are being fed it’s possible. Of course Hillary would have to go to his side….say for a month?????
http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-clinton-supporters
I know some here don’t listen to MSNBC or CNN because of their lopsided coverage. I still do and they are sources of discouragement for me. Often they refer to what McCain says, then show a four minute clip of Obama speaking. Yes, I am speaking to the choir. You know this better than I.
What gets to me most are their poll results. It makes me wonder if we Puma’s are succeeding. Then today was Obama’s “symbolic” check for $2300.
I want to thank you Murphy. Your words today were exactly what I needed to hear.
You said, “don’t be ashamed…Don’t be afraid…” I think you sense when we need bolstering up. For a young lady, you are awfully smart and intuitive.
Was the person who taped Hillary a CNN plant?
barbara I was speaking of the “bird” you know
Are the other networks playing the tape now and showing the pictures. I guess it will be up on youTube any minute now.
Guess Anderson Cooper didn’t like my comment, still in moderation;
June 26th, 2008 10:15 pm ET
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
I see the topic is angry women. I’m not angry, I’m disgusted with the actions of Howard Dean and the DNC.
They have ignored the wishes of the voters. They “selected” Barack Hussein Obama who did not have the popular vote.
The DNC counted voters in Florida as 1/2? They “gave” votes to Barack Hussein Obama in Michigan.
Angry, no.
Disgusted, yes.
Is Barack Hussein Obama really experienced enough to run our country? No.
Was he the wisest choice by Howard Dean and the DNC? Not in my opinion.
Are 18 million women and men going to support Barack Hussein Obama? No.
Will I be voting for Barack Hussein Obama? No.
SunnyPA,
I read your post about the humvee…hehehhehe ROFL,
you made my day.
Listen PUMAS I think we should be donating to our cause and not to Hillary. That is what she would want. Let Obumbus pay her debt. Really who cares at this point. We need it more to get out there with our ads and such. We could help Hillary more by donating to Murphy for us PUMAs
Think about it. The more we have donated here the more we can do to help Hillary
a good evening PUMAS!
I’ve been zipping through the Anderson Cooper 360 blog (and listening to Candy the mouth of CNN Crowley) you know, it never ceases to amaze me at the infinite supply of complete dumb asses there are supporting the big BO.
This is when it would great to have a chat room, while these “shows” are on. We could watch and support together.
I just can’t buy anthing Hillary Rosen says about Obama, since for so long we heard her back Hillary on CNN. Maybe it’s just to soon.
Maybe some agree with me maybe some don’t. But i do believe we can help her more doing what we are doing. If Obama pays her debt off …GOOD. But we need more exposure and all we can get and that takes money.
698 cosmeta
AMEN!
Snap out of it, Anderson…it ain’t gonna happen! We’re not going to roll over!!! the other 3 women on there.,..what a bunch of wasted space!
Besides the outright media bias against Hillary all throughout the primaries… besides the unfair ruling of Howard Dean concerning Florida and Michigan, besides the run to get Hillary out of the race, because the DNC felt the race was going on too long, bla bla…
I truly believe that if Howard Dean, and the Party leaders had just left the superDelegates alone and not *PUSHED* them to make a speedy decision… I mean, there was no reason for that because I think many of us would have waited another week or two for the Super’s to decide on their own. If that had happened, I think many of us… well, I know I wouldnt have been so angry at the results. I might have been disappointed but not angry.
But now that I am angry, it cannot be undone. Shoot… I am still angry about the 2000 Gore Election and what Katherine Harris and the Supreme Court did. But now when law suits were filed over FL and MI all of a sudden the courts said, not me jub.
It’s been 8 years and I am still not over it. So three weeks is nothing.
I have not watched CNN or MSNBC for so long i can’t remember. I started by boycotting MSNBC then i followed with CNN. I wander what it would be like to have Murphy a guest on bothe?
After watching Larry King Live I’ve decided that hell may freeze over before I ever vote for a Democrat again. I am so sick of being told that I just need a little time to “get over it”. It’s been over 60 years that I’ve been dealing with sexist bull**** and another 60 years isn’t going to change my opinions one bit.
I have not watched MSNBC either. They admitted at the beginning they were all caught up in the BHO express, but never got off the bus.
#722 I’m with you – these idiots just don’t get it – It is not being a sore loser or a whiner – it is that possum is immature, inadequate, unqualified, and I don’t like him -will not vote for him today, tomorrow or November 4 – I am so tired of these people – if they all have crystal balls, why don’t they tell us what happens really instead of guessing – I don’t like the man – I’m not crazy about McCain but between the two – McCain beats him all to hell………………………….
Murphy should be on with Anderson.
Susie, I’m with you regarding McCain….I feel the same way…he sure wouldn’t be my first choice but he beats the hell out the other one!
Hey folks…
I know I have a tendency to write too much and not say enough… but should any of you feel that I am over playing it… or would like me to disapear, just give a holla and I will. If enough of you do… I will go my way.
hi people. murphy has posted overnight and most are already upstairs. Come join us
I would love to see Murphy on there but they would try to spin her too……………..notice how they phrase their questions………….they already have the answer they want, just try to get confirmation from whoever is the guest – who are these people anyway – The Big C is the only one I recognize……………..
She sure should be. She would do a good job too. And on the The View. She would knock their socks off
I can’t believe I started to watch FOX and listen to Hannity on the way home. Did Obama ever show up on O’Reilly’s show? I know Hillary and McCain did.
cosmeta,
I always enjoy your posts….I’m as windy as you are, girl…I just have a bad back ache or I’d be posting more!!!
Thats why it is so important for the donations to go here right now.
#720
Yeah……I do agree. I also think now that BO is asking for his supporters to help with her debt and we keep sending in $$. Will it be preceved by msm “as King BO DID IT AGAIN, he got HIS supporters to take care of her debt. I do think we need to focus on what we need to do. Hillary is taking care of what she needs to do. BO’s involved in this now.
Another show i would like to see Murphy on is the Larry King show. LOL that would be awesome. I would like to see Lanny on the same show and watch his face as Murphy spoke and i bet he would be smiling a lot.
There are a lot of good shows that we could get a lot of exposure from.
as they say on Craig Crawford log a new thread:
http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/06/26/overnight-kitten-2/#comments
#131 DaddysDarlin on 06.26.08 at 1:43 pm, WROTE,
[[ But until the certified paper birth document is produced — either by media pressure or a legal challenge in any state — the fact remains that Obama has not proven that he is a “natural born citizen” eligible to be President according to the Constitution.]]
He put a graphic image of it up on his new web site called, http://www.fightsmears.com
Like Ellen D’s show is the highest rating now and beating Oprah . Now that would be great to see Murphy with Ellen
736 SusyT on 06.26.08 at 10:46 pm, Wrote,
[[ cosmeta,
I always enjoy your posts….I’m as windy as you are, girl…I just have a bad back ache or I’d be posting more!!!]]
Thank you. I hurt my back in ’97… find standing hard… and every 10-20 minutes I still have to get away from this pc and move around. I constantly change position no matter what I do.
)
My sister has back surgery… so I totally understand how painful back trouble can be.
Be well…
Stay happy!
Look at this CNN is giving the Barack spin, but don’t believe it just in at noquarterusa
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/26/breaking-news-obama-bombs/#more-3268
–Unity my ass
One of my Doctors was born and raised in Iraq and he said there are two kinds and back then if you were a Christian the Muslims there would kill you. He said his family got out and came here. His older daughter has been working in the WhiteHouse and he said you wouldn’t want to know what they know about Obumbus. Then he just said it’s very bad.
Obama got squat at that fundraiser. LOL. Hillary is who they want not Obumbas
Hey sandi…most people are upstairs on overnight.
come join us Will and cosmeta too. We’d love the company!
sorry if i missed anyone still here. anybody new who doesn’t know how to get upstairs?
I’ll be there.
Spread the word. HELL NOBAMA
http://www.hellnobama.com
I received 2 emails one from DSCC and one from Howard Dean. The one from Dscc was subject smears and insinuations :You and I know better than most what Republlicans will do to win elections We saw those swift boat veterans impugn the patriotism of John Kerry and we’ve watched our opponents spread vile lies about both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama the hard truth is that even the worst kind of smears and slimy insinuations work if no one on our side calls them on it. To this I replied: I don’t know what Republicans will do to deceive, lie , and steal but this primary has showed what the DNC will do to “select” their choice for president and that is they will steal Lie and deceive look what they did to Michigan and Florida voters and to Senator Clinton they will deceive with their cohorts and they have lied to the voters and our country. So don’t accuse Republicans or Independents of swift boating or using Kerry as an example. The DNC has promised to build bridges where there is no river! I have been a democrat for 46 years and I will tell you if Senator Clinton is not the nominee come November then John McCain will get mine and my families votes. You had better open your ears and your eyes or this country will see another 4 years of Republican politics because Obama is not the right choice to beat anyone or anything.
From Howard Dean: We’re joining the campaign of our presumptive nominee, Barack Obama, in setting a new standard for a people-powered politics. Unlike John McCain and the RNC we will not allow Washington lobbyists or pacs to control our campaigns, manipulate our candidates, or drown out the views of the American people. But we face a crucial financial reporting deadline on Monday night, which will be the first test of the financial consequences of this decision. Please make a donation to show that our party is at its best when it’s powered of ordinary people giving. to this I replied: There is no way my democratic family will support your hand picked presumptive nominee, We will not be responsible for the ruin of our country by helping put this inexperienced, dishonest, self serving, non elective, friend of our enemies,evil person, in power over our Great Country.You Mr. Dean ,along with your “cohorts” in crime should be ashamed of yourselves ,and then you dare talk about unity you have separted the democratic party and only YOU and your “cohorts” can unify it by realizing and admitting to your mistake in “selecting” this man.I have been a democrat for 46 years but if Senator Clinton does not somehow get the nomination We will be voting John McCain in November, because we will not stay home we will vote, but it will be for someone who can LEAD.We will not be manipulated or drowned out either!
#749 obviously I don’t know how to climb the stairs by this long post I just entered. Help?
I was upstairs and mysteriously logged out. It shows comments 153, but entries stop at 119. Now, I couldn’t blog there, shows I needed to log in. But I can blog on this thread. ODD!!!
Best of luck on your trip tommorrow..Wish I could go…We who can’t go will be watching for info and cheering you on! Be safe!
I’m just wondering what Pelosi will think of all her snail mail that went out today.
Go Pumas!
Thank you Shannon for helping me today! It worked!
RISE HILLARY RISE
Peculiar. Now shows over 160 comments in overnight, but I can read only to 119, and can’t blog. Will try a restart.
Here is a great comment from NoQuarter about the meeting with Hillary’s contributors. They seem to feel just like we do!
Larry & Co. I emailed my direct contact to the big NY/DC donors: this is her response about tonight:
The words from my friends were: uninspiring, unsatisfactory answers to questions; responded that everything is being negotiated; refused to define her role at the convention or in his administration; then, the biggest insult of all—writing her a check to pay off her debt. This really doesn’t surprise any of us. I am definitely not voting for this guy.
Seems we’re all getting the same feedback on O-bomba.
*Note the last line: this is a high-level long-time party activist. If she is feeling this way, and we all feel the same, and we KNOW Middle America does not connect with this guy, he is in real trouble.
I’m sorry I am so late posting this and most will miss it, but the flowers from GA were delivered today. I got confirmation earlier.
I had an idea tonight that might be worth exploring. What do you guys think about letting Obama’s High $$ Contributors know that his chances of winning in November are ZILCH. I doubt if most of the have a clue who we are and this might be a good way for PUMAS to ROAR!
Just a thought!
Hal-Lo-O…. what is upstairs / downstairs ? Pray tell us clueless ones..
common sense….tells me you are fundamentaly full of crap…..
Hillary couldn’t wait to get the heck out of there lol
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