1st ad – Great too but I worry about the voice over at the end. If someone is not watching the TV, and just hears his voice, it’s free publicity for “you know who.” We have to be careful about stuff like that. The voice over should state his negatives. That should be the last thing people hear.

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Also, the second video is too controversial for mainstream TV, I’m afraid the press would see the male image darkening as racist CRAP.

Also, I like 527 ads against Obama, but we also need to promote Hillary…or no?

Please contact Flineo and ask if this is ok with him, and also maybe he can make a 527 ad specifically for us.

I’m just saying.

in the meatime, PLEASE always provide a pac link here on this site. It will help sooo much more money-wise, I promise.

Also, Flineo is aware of these videos yes?

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As for an Obama shirt runner throwing hammar at screen pic of ‘Lady Liberty’–this also doesn’t quite jibe with our intended msg=>I mean do we want to represent ‘the people/us’ as under some glazed-eyed control of Lady Liberty??!!

BUT i DO think this ad is powerful for it’s symbolic resurrection at the end of primaries on behalf of HRC–bc it is the same ad type run at the start of the primaries, but used *against* HRC, by BO ppl (o sorry, ‘it was a “rogue advertiser” in BO ad agency, acting individually, & not ‘officially’ linked to BO & team!’;)

Good nite & good wkd to all:o)

The material that Taffy supplied was lengthy but very interesting reading and brings an exttremely profound light to the crux of the problem. I agree that emails to the DNC might be making them take notice — but I doubt they will change their course of action. I believe they are caught up in the “movement” of Obama similar to the students in the article link were caught up in the “movement” of the “Third Wave.” The original motive to belong to this man might have started with his promise of money and wealth — but they are sold into “belonging” to him. Which would explain a lot of their behavior in the light of everything that is so obviously wrong with BO to the rest of us.

So I would recommend caution at directing information to people like Donna Brazile. She’s not going to get it. She’s Hope-notized. Her reactions don’t surprise me. It only makes my resolve more determined to stop BO from succeeding in November… only with my belief that he would be a dangerous man and we need to keep him as far away from the Whitehouse as possible.

I don’t get sound when i play the youtube videos…dunno why…this is new laptop with vista so am still getting acquainted…anyways i was able to scroll slowly and got the gist of the ads. here are my .02 cents:

Ad 1) I like a lot bc it brings in black & white hard facts, and how it links to his double speak…tho it might need to be sharpened to show just how BO’s acts are differentiated fm how HRC, JM & other politicians receive bundling, a usual thing in campaigns, fair or no. Perhaps sth targeted towards his continuous refrain that the money is ‘fm the people, of under $200′ & this is ab the cleanest money you can find, etc. If we show just how the big hitters & lobbyists maneuver their way around to make it appear a lot of the donors are ‘regular ppl, sending in their crumpled 5 dollar bills, etc, struggling to reach $100, or $200′ in their dream of Hope, etc etc…And whatever other stuff ab finances other ppl know more of than me;)

Ad #2) This is is meaningful bc it hearkens to the first salvo of a BO fan, w/ his ‘unauthorized HRC 1984 Orwellian ad, in which HRC’s face is on the screen, shattered by the hammer…;)

It also is powerful bc it really highlights how taken in by BO & his Axelrod/Plouffe hit team – esp as it connotes to students & media (which those robotic ppl in the ad could be somehow adjusted to more clearly show it is “media’ & ‘media personalities (olbermann! matthews! brazile?) AND students & well known supporters like, moveon.org, dailykos, etc….

This will bring home to general public just the extent of all their complicity, esp the media’s, in controlling these elections, to the public, who might have some suspicions but don’t know how widespread it is.

AND regarding the ENDING…I understood it if the Obama cheerleader is throwing the hammer at the screen w/ Liberty, shattering ‘Liberty’….

OR, the athlete with an HRC SHIRT throws the hammer at the screen of BO’s face, complete w/ a suitable expression (tho a *actual* photo of him, nothing that hints at photoshopping, manipulation etc, to further strengthen the ad message– & not dilute it by others’ claims of wholescale fabrication, exageration etc.

Even better–if this ad also had actual BO quotes, that could be flashed on the screen throughout the ad as appropriate to the ad flow (I didn’t get the hear the ad, or see it in ‘real time’ so i dunno if his actual quotes would fit in or not), with his face appearing at the end with the runner’s entrance???

The other is the Runner IS Lady LIBERTY, shattering BO’s face….which would get the point across without directly contrasting, and associating it with HRC–which might backfire into claiming HRC is behind it, blaming HRC for ‘underhanded tactics’ ‘not keeping her word to campaign for BO & DNC, etc’…They already don’t believe anything the Clintons say even if it is ‘the sky is blue…!’;)

To another point—Although Liberty is a great visual…just HOW are we to tie it in with BO directly??? I mean, he is in essence ‘the tired, the humble, the poor, … yearning to be set free…’ Well~~~I guess i could see the ‘set free’ (fm BO brainwashing) part…but may be a bit esoteric to grasp exact relationship btn Lady Liberty & BO, media & hisfans….Can’t think of whatever else right now, in terms of iconic figures/symbols that exactly, astutely grasps the counter to whatever character/principle/etc message we want associated with BO&fans in this ad. Perhaps the “Lady Justice is Blind/Scales of Justice?” Hmm, will ponder it …

OH!!!–IF we could capture his newly rolled puff-blue ‘presidential obama seal’ campaign logo into these ad message…hee.

OK!–NOW, while these 2 ads are great, they can be blown off as ‘personalized emotions of the looong primary campaign & HRC ‘bitter’ supporters/sore losers’…..OR…So WHAT?! ‘We all know funding happens this way for politicians…OR, “neato ad, but obviously sheeer anti-BO propaganda/whoa, they really just don’t like this dude” kinda blow off….

SO. I think an AD #3(?;) with:

a) ACTUAL VIDEO or PHOTOs of CAUCUS CHEATING (especially in those swing states!!!! those state citizens know the role they will play in the election & will feel their responsibility on the election’s outcome & thus more tuned in to msgs that have credible, significant impact on who they will vote for; Whereas other areas, esp “sure” red/blue’ states might feel this info is true, but may feel it’s worthless to complain ab it in the their state)cmplaining ab it in their state” and such.
Perhaps also BO campaign intimidation, dirty tactics during primaries, his rapid fans & rampant HYPOCRISY in words vs actions (both BO & his ‘New Democrats’; Maybe even direct quotes on video fm some of these 19-20 yr old BO student fans/hit team on just exactly WHAT BO means when he says (fill in blank)
OR explain just WHAT is the DNC Platform…?
OR actual statements of vitriolic hatred/personalized, mysogenistic, utterly vile, burning HATE-filled (Brazilla’s fave comeback;), slanderous comments, put-downs of HRC, in particular, & her supporters, if needed)

b) LINE BY LINE comparison of DNC RULES & BYLAWS & how each one was interpreted *for* BO and *against* HRC, EVEN following their “Rules ARE Rules” mantra (eg, FL ad/fundraising ban violation by BO; REAL reasons he took his name–VOLUNTARILY–off MI ballot—AND explain clearly why HRC, Ickes, etc did vote for sanctions at the beginning…and WHY they later were against it, & for returning full vote rights to MI/FL…which everyone seems to dismiss as ‘just HRC acting in her own interests’ (what has BO been doing behind the scense with the committee this whole time anyways??!)

Clear, & clearly RIDICULOUS results of caucus vs primary DELEGATES distribution, based on total number of votes in caucus vis a vis primaries…and just what it means for america to vote in a prez based on these severely unbalanced primaries regulations & BO & team’s active gaming of it (it would be GR8T to get actual insider proof of BO & team planning how to game this system fm before the start of primaries, based on DNC insiders’ (Brazille? Dean? others??? (Brazille’s intimate know-how fm experience as campaign mgr of J.Jackson (after which DNC amended rules yet again) & Gore’s election results & votes/rules investigation on his behalf in 2000); (Dean’s own caucus wins in his prez run, & his online fundraising)) coaching of how to get the most delegates without winning primaries..;)

(Craig Crawford on his trailmix blog has a good post on DNC Rules & their arbitrary application, depending on whether it’s in favor for BO & against HRC);
Again, these points should be absolutely factual, even nonemotional in tone in reporting these facts, not anything that could be dismissed as hyperbolic spin/exaggerated interpretations…Of course, tone will become emotional/signifying, etc when it comes to the actual, full end-message of our ad;0)

c) SIDE BY SIDE comparison of DNC 2008 election actions with GOP 2000 actions – esp in FL;)–& shown in MI too!!!

d) EXACTLY WHAT is GOING ON inside the DNC & overthrow of ppl, platform, etc AND how DEAN, PELOSI, REID etc have spearheaded it under everyone’s nose! Including, implications of move of DNC to Chicago/Chic ‘political machine’ etc.

And/or, Raising question of just WHAT is DEAN about…? Just exactly why/how/what Dean is ‘crazy’ & how this ties in w/ DNC leadership…? (Could also include his complete total non-response to Dem Prty ‘members’ like PUMA & concerned citizens’ repeated attempts to communicate with him…Total nonaccountability, etc….Silencing of all dissent in not supporting BO; Bullying of Delegates who still support HRC now, & bullying of HRC into releasing her delegates now & using her campaign debt to control & threaten her…etc…the examples are endless!;-P

Another point-which could be included with possible Ad ideas, (d) or (e;): A full LISTING of examples of PELOSI’s (& Congress) ineffectual leadership & total pandering to self-interests…Such as all the times when Pelosi said she would ‘step in’ ab the Iraq War, ‘step in’ for Bush/Cheney abuse of power’ ‘step in’ to initiate possible Impeachment grounds, and of course, ‘step in’ to stop the primaries early if need be for BO & HRC (altho this one she actually did do sth, tho behind the scenes, out of public’s eye!) since years & years now…and STILL NADA!
ALSO that a BIG reason why no one pursued Impeachment & such bc they feared public ‘backlash’ against a trial, and of course turning away of their voters when it’s time for their re-election!!!

e) ALL SWITCHED SD, local DELEGATES LISTING/CALLING to ACCOUNT of why/when/justifications of their switching fm HRC to BO…Esp in states they are re-election!! (ie, Pelosi!!!) ) EXAMPLES, real quotes, video, transcripts of BO (supposedly ‘dem party vols’) volunteers at polling sites, phone call scripts, etc, of BO campaign intimidation towards voters (esp HRC supporters);
Underhanded moves, such as laundering donation money through moveon.org for those who’ve exceeded their indiv limit; Stealing of caucus/voter reg sheets at state local dem offices (eg, TX)

f) The Congress “Tea Party” Senators-who-lunch; Media personalities (KOlbermann, etc) & their hyperbole in re BO & against HRC….

==> KEY POINT: IF NO ONE, not even “the 4th Estate,” the Press, can bring themselves to critique BO NOW, how will we hold BO & his supporters in Congress accountable if he should be Prez??? Just how can anyone raise credible questions ab BO’s decisions, appointments, acts, hold BO & his Cabinet & unofficial cadre of advisors ACcOUNTABLe if NO ONE will/can do it NOW??? Oh sure, they said it’s difft fm primaries, now it’s the GE the gloves will come off–ha! Still waiting…!

And given all these signs just HOW is this M.O., however difft the content/intents, ANY DIFFERENT fm BUSH/CHENEY’s approach to decisions, actions, bulling of other politicians/media….
And just HOW is this time now any difft fm post 9/11 PRESS/MEDIA, who were complicit in propagating the Iraq War, with nary a critical eyebrow raised…Even Mike MOORE held Wolf/CNN & Media to fault for their lack of critical analyses/independent/investigative journalism towards Bush/Cheney during these early years of ‘selling the war’ to the people!

Anyhoo, those are some ideas that will definitely hit home to the gen public, & credible bc based on straightforward documentation, which leaves media in a flummox in contesting the points, and such!

Hope it contributes in some way to those in charge of ad creation!

Thanx to all for their commitment & enthusiasm–it keeps each other going!;-)
Thanx to Murphy, MarylandPuma & all puma pride leaders;) (sorry for name blanks:-D

G’nite ALL!