DAILY TALKING POINT 6/19/08: ROE V WADE WAS YOUR GRANDMA’S BATTLE. YOUR GRANDMA WON. AND YOUR GRANDMA WON’T VOTE FOR OBAMA. LISTEN TO YOUR GRANDMA.
Quote of the Day, via Shorttermer: ”I am aware that many object to the severity of my language; but is there not cause for severity? I will be as harsh as truth, and as uncompromising as justice . . . I am in earnest — I will not equivocate — I will not excuse — I will not retreat a single inch — and I will be heard!” William Lloyd Garrison.
Dear Senator Boxer,
I am one of the 18 million voters who voted Hillary in as the DNC nominee for president. Obama stole this nomination and I will never vote for him. I am actively working to see Obama and any Democrat who supported Obama in this travesty lose in the November election.
I am a 53-year-old progressive socialist and a physician who has worked actively and hard for the Democratic Party since before I could vote. No more. I have waited too long to see this party support a woman for president.
If you support this lying, hypocritical sycophant, then I consider you to be someone I will vote against in every election you run in.
And, just in case you think I’m just angry and I’ll forget it when the time comes – you should know that I and millions of others who felt the same way left the organization NOW when they tried to force their choice down our throats, I wrote in Shirley Chisholm when the DNC let her down, I stood in the freezing cold to get signatures for the ERA in Missouri, I spent my own money to fly to Denver and support John Kerry – only to have him quit at the first sign of trouble, and now I will stand with millions of others who resist having our voices drowned out by the machinations of a flip-flopping tyro who only desires to win the presidency without having any ability to BE president.
I will not see my dreams of progressive, social programs and REAL change endangered or destroyed by 4 years of this incompetent back-room deal maker muddling through the train-wreck of a financial crisis looming down upon us. We need someone who can actually appreciate what it takes to get through this mess and make in one piece to the other side. Someone like Hillary.
And, NO, IT ISN’T TOO LATE TO STAND UP FOR THE TRUE NOMINEE OF THE DNC AND HONOR THE WILL OF THE GREATER THAN 18 MILLION MAJORITY VOTERS WHO CHOOSE HER AS OUR STANDARD BEARER. In fact, it’s actually time for you and women like you who were voted in by women like me to take responsibility for recovering the honor and integrity of this party.
There are millions of us gathering for the coming fight in Denver. My husband and I are only two of them -proud PUMA Pac members. We will not forget to -
REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!
From Puma PAC member Leela, sent to her Senator 6/18/08
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Good Morning Pumas,
We have a new post up this morning at PDOP: “Obama’s New Campaign Strategy: Control The Media and Manipulate Public Perception”
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/06/obamas-new-campaign-strategy-control.html
Also, we will be updating our daily Stop Obama hot links by 8am CST.
I also wanted direct your attention to an ongoing voice of reason and fairness this election season: Lou Dobbs on the Energy Crisis:
http://loudobbs.tv.cnn.com/2008/06/18/china-and-cuba-race-for-us-oil/
Have a great day and from now on all of our posts and feeds will provide a direct link to this site.
Jarid
PS: Be sure to donate to the Murph to help the effort and visit PUMA Bloggers advertisers to help generate revenue to keep the truth flowing.
WOW!!! Leela, spot on!!!!!!
#54 bruce555 on 06.19.08 at 1:55 am
” . . . is such a &^%$#@! puzzle to me, I can’t figure it out, where he came from, all that baggage, no experience, no accomplishments, mean-spirited, arrogant and aggressive, hateful, divisive, insulting, negative . . .” (from previous thread)
Wow. For a minute there I thought we were back in 2000 talking about Bush! The similarities are scary.
Have a good day everyone. I’m looking forward to my next Daily Growl!
I love that letter! Can we edit this for all of the women senators that was talking “unity” yesterday? I will be putting together a letter today to send to the major newspapers in WV to let everyone know about us. I will also send a letter to the county newspapers that Hillary had virtually all of the support such as Mingo County. If I remember right, they gave Hillary 93% of the vote. Just a little higher than my county of Wayne, but it will do. I have to be out quite a bit today. I’ll be checking in from time to time. Keep up the great work everyone!
Melissa
Wayne County, WV
PUMA Democrat
Thanks for the links and the reminder jrhed. Good morning to you and the Early Cats!
Amen!
Not a problem on the links, I do want to add last night I was flipping through the channels and stoppped for about 2 minutes on Larry King (a show I have never been able to stand), Joy Behart (or however you spell her name) gave happened to be giving her keen political insight when she stated that Obama needs to focus on White Men going on to state that despite what the media says she believes that Clinton Women are already fully supporting O.
Who in their right mind would put this woman on TV, let alone as a co-host of a show that is geared specifically for women. My wife naturally stated “Turn That Sh** Off”
Hi all, I’ve just read the posts from the other night, seems as though some of you were worrying about trolls. It’s going to happen now and then, just don’t lose focus on our agenda.
ALSO I’D LIKE TO NOTE: Although we can comment on MO’s patriotism and other important issues, I think it is in poor taste that someone would comment on her looks overall. THIS in itself is sexist, which we are fighting against. So we can’t be hypocrite to ourselves right?
Murphy, Shorttermer, and Leela,
Excellent post and letter! Love the quote. And, Leela–you go girl! Meow!
Hello Everyone again,
I was also wanting to let you all know that I we were told by Nick Casey Jr., an Obama supporter and WV DNC’s Chairman, that Hillary intends to release her delegates before the convention in August. I did’t beleive it one bit! Now my local newspaper is saying it again this morning. Should we call and email Hillary and encourage her to keep her delegates?
To Leela, Murphy and Shorttermer
Great start upstairs to a wonderful PUMA day. Thanks.
My daily thank you to Murphy –
Leela,
Excellent letter. One that should be on the front page of every newspaper in America.
Made my day.
Lisa
Morning Mayor, and all!
Good morning everyone. Today is going to be a great day … I can feel it in my bones.
Murphy, I emailed you the information pamphlet that is customized towards senior citizens. I tweeked it a bit. It’s in a publisher format.
Once you take a look at it and approve, I will put it in PDF format.
FYI–Here is my letter to the women senators. I posted it on the kitten thread,but thought I would re-post. Sorry for the length, but as I said, once I got started I found out I had a lot to say!
Have a purrrfect day everyone.
I have been a loyal Democrat for many years. I am an educated woman who has believed in the tenets of the Democratic Party, until now. I am sad to say that during this election, in my opinion, the DNC and the leaders of the Democratic Party have veered away from their central mission and abandoned their principle voter coalition. I have been horrified at the silent support of the outright viciousness towards Senator Clinton in the form of gross distortions of her positions and policies and outright sexism. Furthermore, I have been party to those speaking on behalf of the DNC in the media inviting many of us who have been staunch Democrats to leave the party if we do not agree with the manner of politics being employed currently. We have been told that we are not needed to win the election, or that we will “get over it” and rejoin the new movement. The DNC has tried time and time again, through its spokespeople, to force Senator Clinton out of the race and disregard the democratic process as well as the Constitutional right of giving every citizen their legal and moral vote. In addition, the DNC has decided to punish and disenfranchise approximately 2 million voters in FL and MI, for a decision that was not made by them to move their primary elections. This decision was commandeered by the Republican and/or legislative factions in their states. There have been many other instances throughout this campaign during which the vetting process has been unbalanced and biased in favor of Senator Obama and throughout which the DNC or the party leaders, such as yourself, did nothing to restore the balance. I simply do not understand these tactics–they are destructive to our country and insulting to its citizens. I am very sorry to say, that based upon this type of conduct I can no longer remain a member of the Democratic Party. This saddens me, but in all good conscience, I must change my party affiliation. I sincerely hope that some of these major problems can be resolved.
I stand by Senator Hillary Clinton and I am disappointed that you and your colleagues will not stand by her to the convention. I would like to tell you why I stand by her. In my opinion, one can judge the character and competence of a candidate by carefully examining their record, their life, and their current platform and policies. This is concrete evidence that can directly translate into what kind of President we will have after the election. In addition, the way in which a candidate reveals their humanity, character, compassion, courage and commitment can be assessed as we watch them navigate the treacherous waters of the campaign. On the first point, Senator Clinton has demonstrated without question a life of public service. She has dedicated her life to advocating for
children, standing up for women’s rights and human rights, supporting
invisible minorities, fighting for healthcare and education, and assuring honorable treatment of our military men and women. In addition she has proven her ability to work open mindedly and successfully in a bi-partisan culture where she has passed significant legislation during her tenure in the senate. Senator Clinton also possesses an encyclopedic knowledge of all domestic and international issues. She understands the economy here at home, and has also established herself as an international ambassador and diplomat. She clearly understands the complex and multi-dimensional issues that face our country in the global community and she has a command of the issues that contribute to the delicate balance in regions such as the Middle East. Her service on the Senate Armed Services Committee, her invitation to join the Pentagon Iraq Transformation Task Force, and her support by 35 distinguished and accomplished retired high ranking military personnel speak to her unparalleled preparation to assume the role of Commander-In-Chief.
These are only some of Senator Clinton’s accomplishments which attest to an impressive resume–a resume that is unequivocally one of the most distinguished of any presidential candidate. But her qualifications for president go beyond accomplishments. Senator Clinton has an indomitable spirit, an unquestionable love of country, unwavering courage and commitment to her mission, and a compassionate humanity. In the past months, I have grown to admire her more every day and to be inspired by her every day. Her ability to remain strong, clear and focused even when facing daunting challenges and adversaries has given me hope and courage. Her ability to be gracious and dignified in the face of unspeakable attacks is a shining example of how to maintain one’s belief and commitment under fire. Her amazing capacity to meet, speak to, and respect her enemies without bitterness or vitriol is brilliant and not only shows us how to conduct ourselves in everyday life, but also demonstrates how she would form allies in the world. She also knows when to compromise and when to hold fast to her principles and those of our country. She has an amazing capacity to be strong, courageous and compassionate. To me, these are the qualities that make a leader–a leader not only knows how to attend to the nuts and bolts of the job, but also knows how to connect with people and inspire them to be better people. In this arena, I find Senator Clinton far more inspiring than Senator Obama.
I fear for the Democratic Party and for our country because of the way in which this campaign was conducted, and therefore, I will not, under any circumstances vote for Senator Obama who is too inexperienced and ill-prepared for the job.
Michelle Obama to get unprecedented campaign team
Posted: 06:52 AM ET
From CNN Correspondent Jessica Yellin
Michelle Obama will be surrounded by a team of veteran aides.
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Barack Obama’s presidential campaign is planning to beef up the team surrounding his wife Michelle Obama, to give her the kind of professional campaign veterans experienced in rapid response to negative attacks – the kind of staff that is usually only seen around an actual candidate, according to a senior aide.
The move is meant to address concerns within the campaign that Michelle Obama will be the target of significant attacks from conservatives this year. Their pre-emptive response is a team that one aide says is unprecedented in presidential politics. According to multiple aides, this team will work with Mrs. Obama to modify her stump speech — in part to include more stories from the voters she met during the primary season — in a bid to counter criticism by some conservatives that she is out of touch.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
Former Kerry campaign Communications Director Stephanie Cutter has already been tapped as Mrs. Obama’s chief of staff, and additional staff will be hired in the coming weeks.
Aides say they expect Mrs. Obama to make occasional campaign stops over the next several weeks — including roundtables with military wives, and a womens’ event next week – before hitting the trail full time around July 4.
Good Morning Pumas,
I have been very busy so I haven’t blogged for a while, but I do read you every day.
I have mailed my 1/2 checks to NoName and Howdy Doody, bought out the remainder of panther stamps at the P.O., taped up a Democrats Unite flyer to the back window of my car, donated to Puma, lit several candles, and worked up a letter to State Dems and newspaper editors that I am emailing or faxing out.
I took the recent CNN electoral map and targeted the “Toss Up” states next to Utah–which is solid red. So today I am targeting Colorado. I am sending my informational letter to all the State Dems that have contact numbers, and all of the newspapers in the state. That should keep me busy for a day or two.
Hopefully by this weekend I will have Nevada done too.
My reasoning is this: so many of you are doing such a great job of centering on the DNC, SD’s, NoName, and others directly involved in this fiasco, that I thought I would “circle the wagons” around the edges and see how many uninformed folks can be reached and possibly change some minds or bring in new folks.
The Lord works in mysterious ways, and so can we!
Have a great new day!!
Just sent the following e-mail to Howard Dean in response to yesterday’s request to support a lawsuit against John McClain re: Federal Elections violation.
To Howard Dean, Having been a Democrat for over 40 years, I use to be so trusting of the Party and its leaders to move forward issues of importance to citizens of the U.S. Over the past few years, it has become more obvious that the Party is moving in the wrong direction. The Party is not issue driven anymore. The principles of the Party have deteriorated and now are at the bottom of the list of “to do” items. The Party is now lapsing into the same old backroom tactics as its competitors. There is no discussion of issues and certainly no respect for the voter and the voter’s rights. Before the Party spends millions on law suits toward John McCain, it had better clean up its own act. Where is the Party of the people? The Party has done nothing about election fraud of 2000. In fact, the Democratic Party is now practicing its own type of fraud as witnessed by millions of people when the RBC met in May. Disenfranchising voters is the worse crime of all and even worse is why it was done. Just to support a candidate of little experience and proclaimed popularity, the Party has taken a course that will doom its existence. How can the Party who is having financial problems, cannot meet the required dollars for their national convention , has been taken over by a campaign and leader who has no experience, take on a lawsuit that will require so much time, effort, and money just to humiliate the opponent. There are so many other priorities that should take precedents like supporting candidates that are true to the Party and have worked tirelessly and endlessly for the people of this country. I urge you and the Party not to follow the dubious path that has been choosen. PUMA Independent
Wonderful letter, I skimmed it last night but read it this morning.
On a side note, can we get an elevator cause just how many flights of stairs have been created since I joined here. I love seeing “Take it upstairs”, just sounds so natural and friendly.
Good Morning Murphy and all.
Today is another day, a fresh topic, new quote, nice photo, and wonderful letter. If Hill had hired all the enrgetic talents here, the campaign outlook would be different…
Heard they say Hill will join BO for campaign fundraising on Friday, we’ll see if it’s another rumor.
MSNBC showed Hill and Bill on Tim R.’s memorial briefly. She looked healthy and relaxed.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080619/ap_on_el_pr/obama_national_security
It isn’t like we haven’t been trying to catch this guy (Laden) for years. I guess *61 thinks he can simply mesmerize Laden with his rhetoric and Laden will be so dumb that he’ll just turn himself in because *61 asked him to.
Before I go to work
Let’s face it
We were shown by every one from media and worse of all DNC that as white women we have no power.
Bottom line they were more afraid of the so precocious precious young and the black community than us. Why not..after all we always fall in line and do what we are told. They rather make us upset for a while than speaking the truth.
Well this white woman is sick and tired of being taken for granted by the establishment.
As Obama put it to Hillary ..I am feeling down and my claws have come out and as Michelle said about bill… I am ready to scratch DNC’s eyes out .
Here lies a starving PUMA waiting
#10MissyD77- Do not for a moment believe that. I talked last night with some people still involved with the Hillary campaign. She is not giving up the delegates. She will go to the convention. She will be on that roll call.
Hillary is a person who keeps her word. She is only asking for money for the *61 and dnc because she promised she would. It is up to us..her long time and forever supporters to make up our own minds..and to keep doing what we are doing…and PUMA’s we are doing a great job. So let’s stay focused on the positive…and keep up our action goals.
MuchAdo #21
Ah, Bill Richardson will take care of everything overseas for O. Can you imagine?
Hillgirl #15
It’s good that you could so eloquently write to the Senators about what they have forgotten or choose to forget for the sake of the “Party”. Excellent letter.
Thank you, Mayor0102!
When sending letters to the media, we should definitely keep Lou Dobbs on our list. He is author of the book “Independents Day” and stays on the issue of the failures of both parties. In our case, we want to expose the extreme failures of the DNC.
Unless there’s an action item — Let’s not get started on polls; or, pseudo-celebrities wanting to perpetuate their 15 minutes of fame. We already know how biased they are.
Hillary didn’t listen and if we are half as successful as she was in the primaries, we will accomplish our goals.
Murphy, I sent the flyer in pdf format. I will keep an eye on my AOL email for your response. But, I have to leave this blog site for a bit … my pesky day job keeps getting in the way.
Keep up the great work, everyone.
Good morning everyone
I was at a bookclub gathering last night -several members of the group were S. Clinton supporters but were voting for S. Obama because of concerns about the Supreme Court-not just Roe vs Wade but other issues as well-I did my best- but these are strong concerns
The following are meetings being scheduled in a number of states to organize the march to Denver-for more info visit the following website
http://www.18millionvoices.blogspot.com/STATE MEETINGS
We will keep adding meetings as we receive information from State Organizers, so, keep checking back for a meeting near you! To RSVP and get specific location information, click the link below the state meeting announcement.
If you do not see a meeting scheduled in your state, and would like to become a State Organizer, please email us at risehillaryrise@gmail.com and include in the subject STATE ORGANIZER INTEREST. We will get back to you within 24 hours (at the latest) with the State Organizer First Steps.
NEW YORK CITY: Sunday, June 22, 1:30 p.m. http://hrclinton.meetup.com/119/about/
COLORADO: Saturday, June 21st, 9:00 a.m.
http://localpolitics.meetup.com/221/calendar/8140408/
WISCONSIN: Sunday June 22nd, 7:00 p.m.
http://hrclinton.meetup.com/120/calendar/8123139/
WASHINGTON STATE: Monday, June 23rd, 7:00 p.m. http://women.meetup.com/1143/calendar/8142830/
TEXAS: Monday, June 23rd, 7:00 p.m.
http://hrclinton.meetup.com/126/
MISSOURI: Thursday, June 26th, 7:00 p.m.
http://hrclinton.meetup.com/127/calendar/8154501/
NEVADA, Reno: Saturday, June 28th, 7:00 p.m.
http://hrclinton.meetup.com/123
NEVADA, Las Vegas: Saturday, June 28th, 1:00 p.m. http://hrclinton.meetup.com/121/
MARYLAND: Tuesday, July 1st, 7:00 p.m. http://hrclinton.meetup.com/122/
LOUISIANA: TBA
http://hrclinton.meetup.com/128/
CALIFORNIA: Saturday, June 28th, 3:00 p.m.
http://hrclinton.meetup.com/129/calendar/8156002
OREGON: Saturday, June 28th
email the organizer for specifics: RHRPDX@comcast.net
FLORIDA (St. Petersburg): Thursday, June 26th, 7:00 p.m.
http://hrclinton.meetup.com/130
Normita, a regular blogger on Hillary’s page, has a new webpage for us to use called Hillary Villagers. Between the Puma and Normita site, we can keep ourselves energized.
Come join us. You do not need to create an account to blog there. http://www.freewebs.com/hillaryvillagers/index.htm
Quick question: How many of these women senators are SDs that supported Hillary and/or Obama?
MO – Special interests, special treatment already?
http://18millionvoices.blogspot.com/2008/06/reach-hillary-created-by-hillacrat.html
really inspiring Youtube!
P.U.M.A. PAC ALERT
Congrats to Puma Power
Today, June 19, 2008, the first set of 1,000 Reasons Protest Letters was sent to Howard Dean, Chairman of the Democratic Party with a copy to Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House. These articulate and passionate letters come from Puma’s in 13 different states and territories and demonstrate the broad base (pun intended) that Puma power achieved within 2 days.
Each letter was sent separately to emphasize the importance of the contents and the author and also to avoid being filtered as spam.
Congratulations to these Pumas. Your letters have been sent.
lionness
RedinDenver Colorado
TXPuma Texas
drgav
cackicoo Kentucky
STAR New Mexico
Antifish Georgia
lefty56 MO
mystic4hill CA
Dragonfly FL
TexasTigress Texas
MamaPuma Massachusetts
FLGirl Florida
Hillaryistheone Wyoming
Lorey Puerto Rico
Mac MS
Hillgirl Pennsylvania
SusyT Florida
DWPforHILL California
Dawn28
Next set of letters later today.
FLIP, FLOP
Breaking: Obama decides to decline public financing
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
These quotes are from the McCain camp on Obama decides to decline public financing.
Steve Schmidt, a senior McCain adviser, told CNN that Obama’s decision to opt out of the public financing system “a broken promise of staggering dimensions.
“Obama’s candidacy is based on words and it seems like everyday that passes, those words look emptier and emptier when judged against his actions,” Schmidt said.
Sent my letter to all 10 of the “Checklist for Change” Senators (or as I like to call them, the Turncoat 10:
Dear Senator,
Apparently, and suddenly, you and nine of your female colleagues in the Senate have decided to set forth your “Checklist For Change”, ten issues that you deem to be of vital importance to women.
It would appear that you are all doing this in an effort to “heal the wounds” of this primary season, and to gather all of us wayward women back to the fold and behind the nominee selected by the Democratic Party.
Shame on you! These are just words. Where have you been all year? Where was your concern for women during this past year of despicable, vile sexism and misogyny thrown at one of your own, and therefore at all women, yourselves included?
Senator McCaskill, why, after accepting approximately $500,000 from Emily’s List, did you feel no obligation to back the more qualified female candidate for President?
Senator Klobuchar, you accepted roughly $300,000 from Emily’s List. Why didn’t you endorse Hillary Clinton?
Senator Boxer, you are from my state. I did not hear you once voice concern about the treatment your colleague, a respected Senator and former First Lady, as well as Presidential candidate, received during this primary race. You launched an investigation into the horrendous treatment of the Dixie Chicks after one of them publicly criticized Bush. Where is that outrage about the treatment Senator Clinton has received? Where is the investigation?
NOT A ONE OF YOU called out the media, or the Obama campaign, for the sexism displayed during this primary race. Not a one.
If you really cared about the concerns of women, you would stand up in front of the people of this country, half of whom are women, and endorse Senator Hillary Clinton. If you care about equal rights and equal treatment, you would stand up against sexism in the Democratic party. If you care about women’s rights you would investigate the treatment of Hillary Clinton by the media. If you care about reforming healthcare, you would help Hillary Clinton get into the White House. If you care about keeping jobs in America, you would not be endorsing the guy that once again has flip-flopped on NAFTA.
If you think your sudden concern for my welfare is going to change my mind and bring me back to the party, and win my vote for your selected nominee, you are sadly mistaken. Your “Checklist for Change” is far too little, far too late. It’s an insult to my intelligence, a slap in my face.
This is not about anger or grief that my choice for President is not the nominee, although she did win the popular vote and the most important swing states. This is not about sour grapes, or revenge, or emotions that will calm by November.
I will not vote for your selected nominee. He is not qualified to be the leader of the free world. He lacks experience, judgment, foresight, maturity, awareness, and fortitude. He’s never held a full-time job. He’s engaged in the back-room, Chicago-style politics of the Daleys. His associations are suspect at best. He has engaged in bitter race-baiting, and never once spoken out against the sexism and misogyny engaged in by the media. He has, in fact, contributed to it personally. He disenfranchised voters and stole votes. He has taken over the DNC. All of this was done with the blessings of the Democratic Party and, through your silence, all ten of you.
So – no, I won’t support your selected nominee. I won’t support the destruction of the party I have loved and been a part of for over 35 years. And Senators Boxer and Feinstein, as one of your constituents, I won’t support either of you.
In November, if Hillary Clinton’s name is not top of the ticket, I will vote for John McCain. And there are MILLIONS of her supporters who will do the same. End of discussion.
FLORES’ RESPONSE AND MY EMAIL ASKING HER FOR HER CONTINUED SUPPORT FOR HILLARY CLINTON [Love this lady]
Norma Flores [nfisherflores@sbcglobal.net]
Thank you for your kind words and encouragement. Little did I know I’d be going through something like this! I have “met” many kind people from all over the country that feel like we do and we continue to e-mail each other. You are what gives me strength to continue this fight when we get to Denver!
Please feel free to visit my website at, http://www.fisherflores.com and read what others are saying about the upcoming Presidential election. Thank God, we are not alone! May I post your e-mail as well?
Thank you again. God Bless us all and God Bless America!
Regards,
Norma Fisher Flores
DNC Member, Texas (El Paso)
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From: [ShortTermer] my email address
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:56 PM
To: nfisherflores@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Thank you for your continued support of Hillary!
Just a short note to tell you that your support for our Hillary is very much appreciated; and we know how hard it must be to stand steady when there is so much pressure to cave in to the DNC and Obama.
You are a portrait of strength, and please continue your support.
We are working in groups under an umbrella group to and we are millions in numbers. I am now a Hillary Republican unless the DNC fesses up and does right by us in nominating the candidate that was the will of the people – Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Some of us have taken on additional tasks of documenting all misogynist,sexist, ageist and discriminatory acts/remarks toward women and Hillary.
We will call them out on women bashing – and this is in addition to supporting the only qualified Democratic candidate for President –HRC..
Thank you for reading my note. God bless you. God bless Hillary, and God save our country.
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Please note the sentence that stands out to me:
You are what gives me strength to continue this fight when we get to Denver!
Good morning everyone. Great letters! Love the message this morning. And thanks to everyone for all the hard work!!
#36 mystic4hill What a letter!! Says it all.
Right on mystic4hill #36. You hit the nail on the head in your letter.
I think this site should send encouraging and thank you letters to those who did show some backbone and morals.
HELP
Need the link
In a comment on a thread from yesterday or today, there was a youtube link to an interview with a women named Christian. I think that she was a civilian protestor at the DNC rules meeting and was caught on camera loudly protesting.
In the interview she said that Obama voted PRESENT on 5 different bills on abortion presented to the Illinois senate.
If that is true, and we have to verify it, then he surely is not the protector of Roe v. Wade that the democrats are pretending he is.
MamaPuma, Thank you for the update on the letters. Greatly appreciate your efforts.
There is much more to this Obama charade than sexism. We are currently in the greatest financial disintegration in modern history. The $4 gallon/gas is a part of keeping that fantasy alive. The financial elites in London/Wall St. like George Soros do not want the Clintons anywhere near the White House during the meltdown of their system. The Clintons are too much like FDR and JFK for their liking.
They are using Obama like we use toilet paper. They bought off Edwards and many superdelegates. They own Pelosi, Reid, and Dean.
The Democratic Party has currently been hijacked and we have two months to rescue it from these financial parasites.
#36 Mystic4Hill
Your letter is absolutely wonderful….I am speechless after reading it. It says so much and is so powerful but still comes across as respectful and dignified. I truly like letters like this cause even though sometimes (me alot more) we get so angry of what has been done to Hillary that we do not express it the right way. I call it coming in the “side door” type of letter. It can not help but impact you whether you are the reader or the person/topic that is in the contents of the letter. I wish I could write like that. I have a letter that I have been trying to compose that does just what yours did but I have to save it and keep tweaking it…cause I want it just right when I send it….Thank you again for sharing your letter with us and giving me a “lift” today that there are millions of us out there and we will be heard.
God Bless and Have a Great Day!
From Pumaindy…in Overnight Kitten post…MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY!!!!
“I watch in horror as
- Our freedom of speech is suppressed
- Voter registration fraud occurs
- The MSM lies and manipulates
- BO’s associates and relatives keep being discovered
Yet nothing has stopped this person yet.”
What PUMA’s are doing on this site and other pro Hillary sites is so important. I hope and pray that people will open up their eyes and see what is at stake.
Obama changes his mind on Public Financing. He outspent Senator Clinton by 3-4 to 1 and barely limp across the line. So he is going to need a few trillions to overcome Senator McCain I’d say.
The saddest thing for me is that history has this tendency to repeat itself, because the memory of the people is very short. That’s why frankly I believe the internet and people who can get together like this group are very important to try to keep history from repeating itself in this country today. The differences I can see that give me hope is that in Germany during the rise of Hitler, they didn’t have the internet and groups like this who do everything in their power to get the information out there. They did have a powerful speaker in Hitler, he has a hypnotic way about him. We have to remember the “Hitler Youth”. He focused on an enemy and placed the blame for everything bad that was going on in the country square on the backs of that group. It worked. People swallowed the organized propaganda. He was elected to office. One has to remember that. He was elected and thus began the “Change” that will be remembered in history as one of the most infamous reigns of terror. If you truly look at that portion of history and compare it with the rise of Nobama and really look at some of the things that are going on in their camp, you begin to be horrified about the mass effort to get him elected. This is the kind of “Change” that Americans cannot just lie back and take it. We have to continue our effort. I believe with my entire being that the American way of life, the American ideals and the American concepts of democracy are all at risk here today.
Every effort we make to convince superdelegates that they can still vote their conscience and THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE is a worthwhile effort. Every mass mailing of letters to our different representatives and to the media and to other groups may chip a crack. Every person whom each of us can influence may make a difference. I join each and every one of you in fighting the good fight. I will not go down into that dark night without a fight!!!!
Just got this from our coalition ClintonDems.com
Dear Clinton Dem,
Today Senator Barbara Mikulski joined Senators Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), Patty Murray (D-Wash.), Mary Landrieu (D-La.), Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.), Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.), Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.), Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) and Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) to announce their “Checklist for Change,” a list of ten issues Congress can immediately address to improve the lives of the American people. They include: providing equal pay for equal work, keeping jobs in America, making health care affordable, taking care of our military families and veterans, restoring America’s credibility in the world, protecting our environment, making America energy independent, preparing for future disasters, enforcing fiscal accountability and protecting the family checkbook. This is a blatant pander – a “checklist” of hot button items to women.
Call me cynical, but this sudden urge to “do something” about issues most important to women strikes me as “just words.”
____________________________________________
Please phone these leaders and tell them if they really care about the concerns of women they should stand up and endorse Hillary Clinton. If they care about equal rights and equal treatment that they should stand up against sexism in the Democratic party. If they care about women’s rights they should investigate the treatment of Hillary Clinton by the media. If they care about reforming healthcare, they should help Hillary Clinton get into the White House. If they care about keeping jobs in America, they should not be endorsing the guy that once again has flip-flopped on NAFTA.
Specifically ask Senator McCaskill “Why, after accepting approximately $500,000 from Emily’s List did you feel no obligation to back the more qualified female candidate for President?”
Sen. Klobuchar accepted roughly $300,000 from Emily’s List. Why didn’t she endorse Hillary?
Sen. Boxer was mum during this whole primary season. Why the sudden concern about women’s issues now? Senator Boxer launched an investigation into the horrific treatment of the Dixie Chicks after one of them publicly criticized Bush. Where is that outrage about the treatment Hillary has received? Where is the investigation?
NOT ONE OF THEM called out the media for the sexism!
Here is a video Link. http://video.aol.com/video-detail/womens-checklist-for-change/1547201665
1. Senator Klobuchar
1200 Washington Avenue South, Suite 250
Minneapolis, MN 55415
Main Line: 612-727-5220
2. Senator McCaskill,St. Louis
5850 A Delmar Blvd
St. Louis, MO 63112
Phone:314-367-1364
3. Senator Debbie Stabenow
221 W. Lake Lansing Road, Suite 100
East Lansing, MI 48823
Phone: (517) 203-1760
4. Senator Mikulski
503 Hart Office Building, Washington D.C., 20510
Phone: (202) 224-4654
5. Senator Mary Landrieu
Washington, DC
Voice: (202)224-5824
6. Senator Boxer
Washington, D.C.
112 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
(202) 224-3553
Los Angeles
312 N. Spring Street, Suite 1748
Los Angeles, CA 90012
(213) 894-5000
7. Senator Stabenow
2988 Jackson Federal Building
915 2nd Avenue
Seattle, Washington 98174
Phone: (206) 553-5545
Keep Fighting!
“I also think it is important for women to help one another.
I have a saying: There is a special place in hell for women who don’t”
~ Madeline Albright
The smoke and mirrors of the Obama campaign once again has risen to the forefront with the recent removal of two Muslim women from behind the candidate during a campaign stop…appearance is, afterall, everything. To make amends, however, Obama is going to reach out to the Muslim community for their support- of course he wants their vote -he just doesn’t want to be photographed with them…
#48 SparkforHill
Thank you so much for this I can not get on here too often and I read something about this list and could not find it. So Thank you again cause I want to start emailing, calling and writing….and so do my parents, aunts & uncles who do not have Internet but my mom always says “that is not going to stop cause I can still speak!”
#39 4hillinca, #40 taylorgrob, #44 1of18mil -
Thanks for the kind words! I got the bulk of the talking points from the ClintonDems.com Action Alert – #48 Spark For Hill has copied it above – and then added a few of my own thoughts and feelings.
Forgot to ask one questions – and please forgive me for not knowing this – What was or is Emilys list? and about them receiving $?
Thank you
From Emily’s List’s mission statement:
EMILY’s List members are dedicated to building a progressive America by electing pro-choice Democratic women to office. We believe in the power of women as candidates, as contributors, as campaign professionals, and as voters to bring about great change in our country.
[snip]
EMILY’s List is committed to a three-pronged strategy to elect pro-choice Democratic women: recruiting and funding viable women candidates; helping them build and run effective campaign organizations; and mobilizing women voters to help elect progressive candidates across the nation.
This whole election is more than heart breaking I hope who ever writes it down in History is honest enough to say how badly all of Washington has treated Hillary women have really been treated poorly we are just expected to give up are dreams we are always yielding to others it is our nature but this election has made me stop and think and I am not giving in this time I will vote John McCain in protest.I am sending no thank you cars to all of the women senators by snail mail and I am going to have a rubber stamp made that says 1 in 18 million and othe that say’s PUMA and stamp everthing I send out Bills and all. my rant for today
Great letter Leela, mine were much shorter but yours made some great points.
Here is a copy of an e-mail I received from ClintonDemocrats this morning (forgive me if this is a re-post, haven’t had a chance to get through the posts)
Dear Clinton Dem,
Today Senator Barbara Mikulski joined Senators Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), Patty Murray (D-Wash.), Mary Landrieu (D-La.), Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.), Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.), Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.), Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) and Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) to announce their “Checklist for Change,” a list of ten issues Congress can immediately address to improve the lives of the American people. They include: providing equal pay for equal work, keeping jobs in America, making health care affordable, taking care of our military families and veterans, restoring America’s credibility in the world, protecting our environment, making America energy independent, preparing for future disasters, enforcing fiscal accountability and protecting the family checkbook. This is a blatant pander – a “checklist” of hot button items to women.
Call me cynical, but this sudden urge to “do something” about issues most important to women strikes me as “just words.”
___________________________________________________
Please phone these leaders and tell them if they really care about the concerns of women they should stand up and endorse Hillary Clinton. If they care about equal rights and equal treatment that they should stand up against sexism in the Democratic party. If they care about women’s rights they should investigate the treatment of Hillary Clinton by the media. If they care about reforming healthcare, they should help Hillary Clinton get into the White House. If they care about keeping jobs in America, they should not be endorsing the guy that once again has flip-flopped on NAFTA.
Specifically ask Senator McCaskill “Why, after accepting approximately $500,000 from Emily’s List did you feel no obligation to back the more qualified female candidate for President?”
Sen. Klobuchar accepted roughly $300,000 from Emily’s List. Why didn’t she endorse Hillary?
Sen. Boxer was mum during this whole primary season. Why the sudden concern about women’s issues now? Senator Boxer launched an investigation into the horrific treatment of the Dixie Chicks after one of them publicly criticized Bush. Where is that outrage about the treatment Hillary has received? Where is the investigation?
NOT ONE OF THEM called out the media for the sexism!
Here is a video Link. http://video.aol.com/video-detail/womens-checklist-for-change/1547201665
1. Senator Klobuchar
1200 Washington Avenue South, Suite 250
Minneapolis, MN 55415
Main Line: 612-727-5220
2. Senator McCaskill,St. Louis
5850 A Delmar Blvd
St. Louis, MO 63112
Phone:314-367-1364
3. Senator Debbie Stabenow
221 W. Lake Lansing Road, Suite 100
East Lansing, MI 48823
Phone: (517) 203-1760
4. Senator Mikulski
503 Hart Office Building, Washington D.C., 20510
Phone: (202) 224-4654
5. Senator Mary Landrieu
Washington, DC
Voice: (202)224-5824
6. Senator Boxer
Washington, D.C.
112 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
(202) 224-3553
Los Angeles
312 N. Spring Street, Suite 1748
Los Angeles, CA 90012
(213) 894-5000
7. Senator Stabenow
2988 Jackson Federal Building
915 2nd Avenue
Seattle, Washington 98174
Phone: (206) 553-5545
So, in addition to writing them, let’s flood their offices w/ calls today
TO LEELASAVAGE:
Didn’t I tell you your letter was great?!!
I’m with you on not getting a response to your posts but it’s kind of hard because there are so many posts on this site which is a good thing but sometimes by the time you acknowledge someone you are so far down the line you don’t think that will be read either.
I suggested that we have a reply link on each post and I think they are working on that.
Hi 1of18MilforHill08, thank you.
here you go, let us call, call, call…
They should not forget who elected them, do not change away from who you are.
http://www.emilyslist.org/
EMILY’s List members are dedicated to building a progressive America by electing pro-choice Democratic women to office. We believe in the power of women as candidates, as contributors, as campaign professionals, and as voters to bring about great change in our country.
#41 MamaPuma
The link to the video with Harriet Christian is posted at Democratic Wings:
http://www.democraticwings.com/democraticwings/archives/womens_rights/003397.php
To Brianknoxville
I do not know if you are on here but in one of the daily growl about sending get well cards(?) – you said you were interested in getting the names of the ppl at the hearing for MI and FL as how they cast their votes. I have been trying for the last 2 days to get that info.
In calling the DNC it is interesting that I have been told that information will probably be in transcript form, will take some time cause it was after all a 10 hour meeting, and they are not sure that the transcript will include the names of the person but will probably just use numbers – i.e., 26-0 18-12 etc…..
I have not given up and will keep trying.
lotts1948 #47 Well said!
Please correct me if I am wrong but I got an email from Emily’s list after Hillary suspended which stated they will back Senator Obama as he is the Democratic nominee. So I unsubscribed. I do not think I saved email but will look.
#24 LOL. I’m at work so just now seeing your comment. Uh, yeah, let’s turn that over to Richardson. Since he seems to think he can do that also. Didn’t he try once before. Anyway, it is commendable that he wants to stop terrorism (don’t we all) but these therrorist aren’t just going to lay down their guns. They aren’t going out without a fight because they believe so strongly about their cause. I just think *61 is sometimes naive. It would be great if we could capture him and give him a trial but……..
I just called the DNC and asked to speak to someone in H. Deans office to voice a comment/concern. I was transferred to a girl who said she could take it. So I started to tell her my message to Dean and she started to yawn in my ear. I asked her if I was “boring” her and if so could I talk to someone else. Before I finished my sentence she transferred me to some automated system. SO I really left him a “enlightening” message.
So HOW important are we? I say really important and they are just turning a deaf ear but they are going to be scrambling come November.
Cause if they do not fix this mess, put Hillary as the nominee that she earned and deserves, this “Sweetie” will not ever vote The Chosen One and will for the first time in my adult life vote Republican!
mystic4hill
You are the best. Thanks so much
#61 4hillinca
If I recall correctly on the hillaryclinton.com site people were discussing the Emily List and they had received the e-mail stating that Emily’s List was now supporting Obama
For those people who need talking points at Pride events:
“HRC president Joe Solmonese credits a phone call Hillary Clinton placed to him before the second Federal Marriage Amendment vote in 2006 with potentially helping to shelve the FMA for the foreseeable future.
Before the vote, Clinton suggested to Solmonese that HRC conduct nationwide polling about the issue, which ultimately showed that although support for marriage equality had risen about 13 points since 2004, voters of every stripe were “enraged” that Congress was debating the issue rather than the Iraq war and gas prices. ”
http://www.advocate.com/exclusive_detail_ektid51483.asp
I love that letter to Sen. Boxer!
So, what’s the action for today?
Murphy and ShortTermer,
Haven’t been here since early yesterday as we had a storm in the afternoon and it took out my desktop network adapter. Pete had to reconfig modem and linksys router to bypass desktop, so I am back and trying to catch up.
If there is anything I should go to or pay particular attention to, please let me know…..feel like I’ve been to Antartica or something! Need a PUMA fix!
Did anyone see the Tim Russert memorial from Kennedy Center? The last part of Luke’s eulogy was asking everyone to imagine this coming Sunday that in heaven there is a “special edition” of Meet the Press. He made several references to politicians throughout history being on this special edition, the last reference was Teddy Roosevelt, and Luke says ” and..maybe Teddy Roosevelt is speaking on the many reasons why a “third party” is needed”! Interesting. I saw Luke shake our President’s hand and give a huge hug to our girl.
President and Senator Clinton were not seen on MSNBC’s coverage until after the service was concluded and people were leaving. I was so touched by the fact that each time they were shown, they were touching. To me, that was sweet and an up your nose to the nit wit msm always pontificating about their relationship like they are sharing the bedroom with them! Also, at the end was old Chrissy Matthews, doing his bloviating best to, along with all the other members of the msm turn a fine journalist and human being into something that I personally don’t think, if Tim was who they say he was, would have approved of at all. Then again we have Matthews, doing a follow-up, and he could not get through even one hour, even an event as somber as this, without dissing Hillary.
When Chris crosses over, I hope St. Pete bitch slaps him for all of the mean and unnecessary things he’s said…sorry this is so long…..making up for yesterday. I missed you guys…I’m proud to be a PUMA!
Off topic, but wanted to mention…you’ll never hear Obama say God Bless America…he’s Agnostic (doesn’t believe in God)…as per the fourth (4th) photo of the following link:
http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/muslim-women-rejected-at-obama-rally/20080618155909990001?icid=200100397×1204329752x1200179326
Someone asked for the names of the DNC Rules and outlaws committee. Here’s a link
http://
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/22/1108/27571
I believe they are all there.
here’s a reminder of an donation event coming up on July 4th called “Green Rain for McCain”
We are donating $5.44 to McCains official site on Independence Day in honor of “Hillary is 44″ (she would have been the 44th president). The $.44 will signify who the donations are from…the Hillary Supporters.
Another reminder….
If you haven’t done so already….
Everyone….Please go to the link titled Puma Pac Action Center on the right side of this page. It’s under the heading “Puma PAC Sites”. On that page scroll down and find the link “Project & Contact List”. On that page you find a list of project contacts. Go to the “New Members” Click on it and fill it out.
We need to organize all the Pumas.
Even though most of you are not New Members, please go to the link and fill it out if you haven’t already. Help us get a running tally so we can organize people by state, city, etc.
Today I will be writing letters from #55 blog post.
Good Morning SuzyT, happy to see your computer didn’t get fried in the storm
SusyT- I try not to watch Matthews spit all over himself anymore but since the topic seems to be sexism, I am reminded that the reason I don’t watch Matthews anymore (besides the fact that he has some saliva issues) is that he actually said that Hillary was only a senator because her husband cheated on her…I believe he was forced to apologize publically but nevertheless he continued to get his jabs in throughout the primary and then couldn’t understand why Hillary wouldn’t participate in his college tour – of course he is also the same man who confessed that Obama sent a tingle up his leg…so I agree with you, Matthews is a sexist who can hardly attain the journalistic standard of “hack”….
I had heard about this article and went there to see: It is much more revealing of BO than the headline suggests:
The Note: Brand Zero
Obama Provides New Openings For Attacks, As Candidates Clash With Themselves
By RICK KLEIN with JOHN SANTUCCI and JAMES GERBER
June 19, 2008
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=3105288&page=1
Hey Trish,
good to hear from you! If that puter had been fried, I’d be in PUMA withdrawal!!!
dmrr,
couldn’t agree more! Hack is almost too nice!
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/19/a-call-to-arms/#more-3138
Take a look at the above link-posted by SoldierforHillary-what a voice!!
Stopped by quickly
Sounds like Rev Manning is getting death threats
It would be nice if some of us send him words of encouragement and if possible some financial aid… he runs a small church
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4TEbIPOHNBQ
Re: Vote in this poll:
http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/muslim-women-rejected-at-obama-rally/20080618155909990001?icid=200100397×1204329752x1200179326
WOW— powerful words -powerful quote –just what i neede when i was loosing hope on this election –
THX
Hey Murphy,
Can you approve the Growl so I can send it out?
Thanks!
Here is a link where you can search for financial contributers and then contact them, urge them NOT to financially support Barry (I can’t figure out why he needs the money anyway, he truly is buying his way into the White HOuse, what a disgrace)
http://www.whitehouseforsale.org/search.cfm
http://www.politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/19/obama-softens-nafta-rhetoric/
Obama softens NAFTA rhetoric
Posted: 11:20 AM ET
From CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby
Sen. Obama had strong words for NAFTA in February and March.
(CNN) — Before the Ohio primary in March, the battle between Democratic candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton morphed into a fierce debate over free trade – a clash that seemed to hinge on which candidate could appear more anti-NAFTA.
Now, in an interview with Fortune magazine, Obama appears to backing off his tough talk on trade.
“Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified,” Obama told Fortune.
Obama has consistently described him himself a free-trader at heart, but the heightened rhetoric on NAFTA put forth by both he and Clinton opened the Democrats up to accusations of political pandering from Republicans and editorial boards.
LEAVE SOME COMMENTS FOR THIS FLIP-FLOP
OBAMA VS. OSAMA
PROMISES AREN’T PLANS, BARACK
http://www.nypost.com/seven/06192008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_vs__osama_116128.htm?page=0
“June 19, 2008 — NAME-BRAND journalists have let Barack Obama make any claim he chooses about Iraq, Afghanistan or coping with terrorism without pinning him down for details.”
“Yet many of his comments and positions seem stunningly naive about national security. Given that this man may become our next president, shouldn’t he explain how he’d do the many impressive things he’s promised? ”
“This week, Obama claimed, again, that he’d promptly capture Osama bin Laden. OK, tell me how: Specifically, which concrete measures would he take that haven’t been taken? How would he force our intelligence agencies to locate bin Laden? And he can’t just respond, ‘That’s classified’.”
#80 disenchanted
Who is Rev. Manning?
Taylor jabs at Will Bower at TaylorMarsh.com
So we’re all in Obamaconspiracyville.
My Letter to the SuperDelegates
(Why I think Hillary Rodham Clinton Should Be The Democratic Nominee)
Dear SuperDelegate,
I am well aware that the “Democratic Selection Process” is a process by which pledged delegates cast their vote during the Convention to be held in Denver Colorado near the end of August. “I am also aware that in 1982, the Hunt Commission recommended and the Democratic National Committee adopted a rule that set aside some delegate slots for Democratic members of Congress and for state party chairs and vice chairs.[6] Under the original Hunt plan, superdelegates were 30% of all delegates, but when it was finally implemented for the 1984 election, they were 14%. The number has steadily increased, and today they are approximately 20%.” (See, Wikipedia, Superdelegates).
There are currently about 798 party elites who have for all intensive purposes been the determining factor in this our Primary Season; primarily due to Howard Dean’s blunder not to seat the delegates in both Florida and Michigan, or at least not adhering to the 50% automatic reduction rule. That move had the effect of disenfranchising the voters as well as depriving Hillary Rodham Clinton of her victories there, she not being awarded the popular vote she rightly deserved based upon votes cast, as well as depriving her of the momentum she should have gained had Howard Dean not been so stubborn and make one of the worst blunders of our time; becoming as it were, the Katherine Harris of the Democratic Party.
Chairman Dean, the media and most voters were all in agreement that there was much excitement in this *historic* primary election and that there were record turnouts. So it behooves me as to why the Chairman of the DNC was trying desperately to coax the SuperDelegates to endorse a candidate before all the votes were counted—and even moreso because it was he who called for a 50-state strategy. For example, he first made his announcement on mainstream cable news on April 3rd of this year saying:
“It is my commitment, working with the Florida delegation and the campaigns, to find a fair solution so that Florida will be seated — and we are confident enough that we have reserved hotel rooms for the delegates from Florida in Denver,” he said.”
Then, a few days later on April 6th, he appeared on the CBS’s Bob Schieffer show he sent out a confusing signal saying on the one hand that he wanted the SuperDelegates to make up their minds as soon as possible; yet at the same time suggesting that there was a limit to the amount of pressure he could put on them to endorse a candidate. At that time, Mr Dean pointed out that there were still 10 more contest to go, starting with Pennsylvania on April 22; Indiana and North Carolina on May 6; West Virginia on May 13; Kentucky and Oregon on May 20; Idaho on May 27; Puerto Rico on June 1; and finally Montana and South Dakota on June 3. “The voters ought to have their say,” Dean told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos. (See Los Angeles Times, April 6, 2008). And have their say they did because Hillary Clinton won most of those remaining states and with wide margins.
That all sounded grandiose, but the reality of what actually happened was far removed. For example, both he and others like Nancy Pelosi would use Obama *code-words* saying things like the country wants quote/unquote “change” as if to suggest to the listener that they had already endorsed Senator Obama and were actually playing favorites by endorsing him while supposedly remaining neutral. In short, the Party leadership was pushing the SuperDelegates to make up their minds (in favor of Mr Obama) sooner than later; the argument being that a protracted deliberation would divide up the Party and fracture Party unity; (yet what unity can be had if we the *contributing* voters are not included into that equation). At the same time, Mr Dean would constantly say that the Democratic Party was having record turnouts. The inference was that Senator Obama was bringing in that huge turnout; never giving credit to Senator Clinton for the huge number of voters who voted for her. And the media going along with this misconception would prop up their media darling (as Lou Dobbs might say) by leading us to believe that the only candidate that was bringing in new voter registration were Senator Obama, not really recognizing the tremendous support via voter turnout for Hillary Clinton. And this can be born out because Senator Clinton went toe-to-toe with Mr Obama getting half of the vote; and in the end even surpassing him. Logic dictates: While voter registration was up, only ½ of those voters cast their vote for Mr Obama; the other half did so on behalf of Hillary Rodham Clinton. Logic also dictates that although Senator Obama won more states by way of caucuses he did so by using very unsavory tactics. For example, in Texas he bused in people as far away as New York and then permitted them to vote for him; while at the same time, turning the elderly and those in wheelchairs away. And this I was told by someone who worked at a caucus site. Be that as it may, and based upon the last two election cycles, Mr Obama has won predominately all *red* republican states; whereas Hillary has won all the larger states and swing states needed to win in the fall. That alone should give any SuperDelegate pause.
I recall watching CNN and watching in amazement as John King would work his Magic Map. I recall him constantly telling his viewers that the SuperDelegates would be most interested in the last few races to see who had the momentum; and that, they might endorse a candidate based upon the ending results. Well, near the end, it became increasingly clear that Senator Clinton had the momentum. Yet still, the DNC, Howard Dean and the Obama camp were applying increasing pressure to put Obama over the top and to make Mrs Clinton their sacrificial lamb by trying to get the uncommitted SuperDelegates.to endorse Obama. And if I dare say, the Obama camp was putting increased pressure on Hillary supporters to switch their vote over to him. But instead of droves there was a steady trickle.
When that did not happen in large droves as many were expecting, the Obama camp in cahoots with the DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee found a way to turn the tide in Senator Obama’s favor. This favoring, if we could call it that, came about on May 31st of this year when the 30 member panel met in Washington DC to decide the unresolved issue with regard to both Florida and Michigan. The nation watched with baited breath because Mr Dean has previously suggested to us that Florida and Michigan would be seated at the Convention. What we did not know at the time was *how* that seating would occur. As ordinary viewers, we did not get it yet. We did not understand the system of an allocation process that would be implemented and that only ½ vote would be given to the Florida and Michigan delegation; making them as it were only ½ a person. But now we know. We know that in telling us that FL and MI would have full seating Mr Deal mislead us because their representation would now be cut in half. We also know what bystander Harriet Christian meant when she yelled out, “I was not a person before but now I am only half a citizen.” Her outrage was felt my many of us as we watched this body of a select few throw a race to favor Senator Obama.
Why? Why were we outraged? We are outraged that Howard Dean should have originally placed a 100% reduction of delegates when the “automatic” reduction should have been set at a 50% reduction. Yet because of one clause giving the DNC power to override those rules, Howard Dean made the biggest blunder of his life and instituted a 100% reduction. So that the May 31st meeting was a way and means for him to save face. It was also a way for him to help give Obama the leading edge—something he promised not to do for either candidate. And it is that leading edge that has infuriated so many of us because Mr Dean had been constantly saying that he would not do anything that would favor one candidate over another. Yet this is exactly what happened, and for the following reason:
Mr Obama was given ½ of the delegates for a state that he did not run in because he and three others, (John Edwards, Chris Dobbs, and Bill Richardson) had VOLUNTARILY removed their names from the Michigan ballot. So that, by the time May 31st came around the only remaining candidates were Senator Clinton and Senator Obama. And when I say voluntarily, I do mean that there was absolutely nothing in the DNC rules forcing them to remove their names. Senators Clinton, Dennis Kucinach and Gravel were still on the ballot. In other words, even without Senator Obama it was still a legally bonafied contest regardless of Mr Dean’s dismissal of it. What that says to me is that the controversy resolves around an ego play of power: Of who has more authority, the state legislature or the DNC. This kind of thing reminds me of the controversy surrounding the Terry Shavio case in Florida between the legislative branch of government and the Justices. So that, you can imagine our surprise when the Michigan Challenge included giving all the uncommitted votes to Senator Obama. It surprised us, because we had already been made aware that against Party rules Obama, Edwards, Dobbs, and Richardson had each formed a boys club *pact* and instructed voters to vote undecided via the Internet and Emails campaign, etc. So to hear Senator Carl Levin say that they were going to award Senator Obama ½ the delegation based upon some obscene *Exit Poll* of uncommitted is, to me, the day our American democracy died. It is a very dangerous move when the media is given more weight than the voters themselves. A sad day indeed and negates all of our long fought for traditions regarding the Primary Process. It flies in the face of real logic and reason.
We are also outraged because for weeks on end, all we heard was that the Clinton machine were somehow plotting to steal the nomination in some smoke-filled back room at the Convention; a fear tactic to be sure!Yet we saw no such media outrage when, right in front of our eyes, the Obama team in conjunction with Howard Dean and the leaders of the DNC stole 64 votes from the Michigan delegation. Maybe it was not in some smoke filled back room, but we can all remember that 1 hour lunch turning into a 2 ½ hour deliberation over lunch and wine. So that, by the time everyone came back there was a push for a speedy outcome—a time to go home. Just another day at the office while they placed our lives in the balance. That outcome was the voting in and the splitting of the 115 Michigan delegation; one half to Clinton and the other half to Obama when as we said earlier he had voluntarily removed his name from the ballot and should not have been given any Michigan delegates. In other words, if we split the 115 member delegation AS THE VOTES WERE CAST, Hillary Clinton should have been given 79 with the remaining 55 assigned to the uncommitted column. Instead this body of people gave Obama 64 and Hillary 64. And so, in plain sight Obama stole 64 delegates he neither earned nor deserved, again, because he was not on the ballot. In the end some additional votes were taken from Senator Clinton and simply given to Obama. And in our eyes to give him the momentum for the remaining contest which at that time were Puerto Rico on June 1; and Montana and South Dakota on June 3.
And now we get to the last day of contests and what I saw happening, is to me, a direct result of the DNC May 31st meeting by giving media more power than what they should have. Here is what happened as I saw it. Early in the morning as I was watching FoxNews they ran a report from the Associated Press saying that Hillary Clinton was going to give a concession speech that night; the implication being that she had lost the nomination, was not going to compete, and more than that, that leak to the press (by whom, we can only infer), was an intentional move to suggest to the voters that they stay home and not go to the polls to vote for Senator Clinton. It was a blatant miscarriage of our democracy in an corrupt attempt to reduce her popular vote and delegate count because they feared losing to Senator Clinton. I remember this clearly because Geraldine Ferraro was being interviewed at the time. Then some minutes later, Clinton surrogates told us that the AP story was false and that Hillary Clinton was not conceding; and why should she when she was expected to win South Dakota that night. But by that time, the damage was done. And if that weren’t enough, come noon-time, the AP again put out a report that Obama had won the nomination, because they said he had reached the newer magic delegate number of 2,118 and exceeded it by 2 delegates. This was yet another ploy to get the voters to stay home and not cast their vote for Hillary. And although this may have been true, to many of us, we are also well aware as to how that came about through the help and aid of the mis-actions of the DNC just days earlier.
And so you see—we are not merely disgruntled Hillary supporters; we are true patriots and truly angry at the Democratic Party for rushing to judgement and in promoting a man, who to us, is an illegitimate nominee; and for the following reasons: Hillary has won the Popular Vote and Hillary also has the Electorial College needed to win in the General Election against John McCain in the fall and still her party dissed her and is going with a candidate who does not represent change but is, in fact, a corrupt Chicago politician (in my opinion). And so, the bottom line for me is: The Party has abandoned Hillary and her supporters in favor of a man who appears to have more campaign funds. But where is it said in any DNC rule that electability is determined by who has collected the most funds. And where pray tell does voting one’s conscience means using the same measure? In light of all of the above and in conjunction with the final Popular Vote total one has to wonder if the SuperDelegates have given Hillary Clinton a fair deal and/or even if they read her May 29th “Letter to the SuperDelegates,” in which she presented, in clear precise terms her case. If you are one of them, please consider reading it now because it is not too late to endorse Hillary Rodham Clinton as the Party’s nominee for the Presidency of the United States.
Popular Vote:
Clinton: 17,839,981 at 48.04%
Obama: 17,565,530 at 47.30%
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/D.phtml
Electorial Map:
Clinton: 308+
Obama: 237
McCain: 216
[Source: Hillary Clinton’s “Letter to the Super Delegates” as well as the PDF file entitled “rightchoice.pdf” plus the latest media numbers as seen today June 17th on FoxNews between Obama and McCain].
Finally, it has been reported that presumptive nominee, Obama has recently said that he is confident that he can win in the fall by discounting states like Florida and Ohio. This would seem to fly in the face of Howard Dean’s pledge to run a 50 state strategy; a strategy that Hillary fulfilled by campaigning in every state of the Union except the two that Howard Dean placed off limits. By comparison, Senator wrote off states like West Virginia and Kentucky; both states Hillary won. But now he is asking you to believe… nay, let me change that to, he is asking you to “read his lips” and accept on a premise of *hope* that he can *change* the electorial map and win the General Election without Florida and Ohio—and I do suppose without the support of Michigan; a thing that is not likely to happen. My dear reader: He is asking you to believe in fairy tales.
But more than that, he is asking you to believe that he can win back those of us you have been, and who still are supporting Hillary Rodham Clinton as the nominee to win against Senator McCain in the fall. And so, I end this letter with the following thought: In pushing for Party Unity, Howard Dean and the DNC and now Obama supporters are underestimating the anger and outrage to which we feel over the disenfranchisement of Michigan and Florida as well as the unfair treatment of Hillary Clinton to get out of the race—a race, she won! That is not change I can believe in. That is corruption at its height. And so, I implore you (if you haven’t already), please reconsider your endorsement and vote come August next and nominate Hillary Rodham Clinton to be our next President of the United States.
Were I to write about all the reasons why I think Hillary would make the better President over Obama; I could write a book. But one only need to look at their legislative achievements, their experience, their judgements as well as their associations to draw the conclusion that he is not ready to become our leader. Charisma may draw in large youthful crowds who seem to see this contest as some sort of rock star American Idol event, but it is only through experience, hard work and leadership skills that governmental policies are made. And if you don’t believe me, just listen to the man—without his lofty speech and his tele-prompter the man cannot think while on his feet and has made many false and misleading and to be frank, immature statements. Hillary Rodham Clinton is that person or *real* change and I urge you to endorse her before it is too late.
Both myself and my spouse are Hillary supporters. That is two votes for the price of one letter because my spouse is also supporting Hillary even though she is a registered republican. Or, we could say, two votes lost to McCain if our Hillary is not chosen to represent the Democratic Party. So you see—Obama was not the only one pulling in Independents or those from other partiesso was Hillary. T’is something to take into consideration is it not? Especially since Obama’s poll numbers are not rising as he thought they would since Hillary’s *suspension* speech. Which means that Hillary supporters like me, are not jumping on the bus only to get trampled underneath.
Thank you for taking the time to read this.
Sincerely,
Good morning & good afternoon Pumas,
After reading the great letters written to the “10″, I was leery of mine. However, I tweaked it and am sending it to the “10. If any get bounced back, I will print it out on Puma letterhead and snail mail to their offices & remind them that their title is United States Senator and since I was born in the United States and that there are 50 – not 48 or 58, they represent me no matter which state they live in……….
I’m on a roll today – don’t know how to get the bots off the Koolaid & see for themselves that they’re supporting an “empty suit”.
When I see articles about how this whole mess started with Ted Kennedy losing his presidential bid – it just makes me sick to my stomach. Is there more that we can do…………….
June 19, 2008
Dear Senator ,
After I saw the “news conference” with nine of your female Senate colleagues – I was so angry that I had to step away from the TV, the computer, the internet blogs and just take a deep breath, run around the block, and remember that I was raised a lady. Um, screw that……………….
My first thought was and is: HOW DARE YOU? You took Hillary Clinton’s agenda and posed it as “Your Check List of To-Do Items”. She has stated these issues over and over during the past 18 months of her campaign and over 35 years of service to the Democratic Party and this country. By the way, it must be the thing to do – Obama has now also taken all of her solutions to those issues just like he stole the campaign by being “selected“, not elected. I see why Obama has to appropriate her ideas and solutions – he has no resume, no qualifications to be president, was “brought up” in the dirty Chicago political machine – and excuse me, this is not a secret about Chicago. They like to register dead people to vote. There are just so many things wrong with this person even being on the ticket.
My question to all of you is: WHERE WERE YOU when the Obama campaign and media engaged repeatedly in the most vile misogynist campaign against Hillary and consequently to all women and most especially to one of “your own”? Obama is the supposed head of his campaign and has to know how his “young, enthusiastic, college educated, etc.” supporters have castigated Hillary on the Internet, have threatened to kill her and her family & those of us that support her, have said that “Bro’s before Ho’s” is preferred. Obama & his volunteers want to set up Camps for Kids to indoctrinate them to his way of thinking (haven‘t figured that out yet), is setting up 6-week training sessions for his volunteers – military enlistees only get eight weeks of boot camp – what is being taught in those 6-weeks??? And, of course, Obama engaged in his own misogynist moments – flipping her off, brushing his shoulder, saying “You’re likeable enough”, not suggesting to his own wife to stop – I.e., if you can’t run your own house, how can you run the White House”, etc. By the way, did you notice how Michelle praised Laura Bush (who is a very nice woman) but did not even mention Hillary by name?
By not stepping up you have helped set back women’s progress 50 years and your transparent, limp gesture is an insult not only to Hillary but to all women. If you stayed quiet for political expedience that makes you unworthy of the office you hold and raises questions about each of you as messengers for women’s concerns.
If Obama’s surrogates use Roe V Wade scare tactics to bludgeon us into submission, why isn’t reproductive rights on the checklist – perhaps because after 34 years, it’s not that important anymore. Us ignorant, bitter, tired old women fought that fight, we’re not gonna get pregnant at this time in our lives, younger women who take it for granted can fight their own battle.
We’re done – but of course you know this because according to Howard Dean, Donna Brazille & the rest of the DNC – our votes are not needed or wanted by the “new” democrats. Good luck with that. Do the math – if 18 million of us voted for Hillary and are not supporting Obama because we feel he is just completely unqualified to be President – where are the votes going to come from to elect him??
Final thought for all of you – Senators, Representatives, SuperDelegates, Democratic National Committee members, Governors, etc. who are on Obama’s bandwagon – I will NEVER vote for Obama, donate to or volunteer for the DNC, support you women senators or other Dems downstream. I am tired of hearing you (collectively) and the talking heads on TV say that we will “fall in line” and support Obama. If you haven’t realized by now that this is bigger than everything we fought for over the past 30 years, then the light bulb had better go off starting now. This country had/has the opportunity to elect the most qualified, brilliant, compassionate person as President of the United States and you have kicked her to the curb and helped Obama toss her under the bus. There are so many of us now under that bus that we’re thinking of starting our own party – how do you like them apples????
Also, the last item on MY check list – buying doughnuts for the PUMA party and maybe for the bus group if I can afford it.
Sue, Hennepin County, Minnesota
Puma Independent (former Democrat)
http://blog.pumapac.org
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11182.htmlObama could win vote, lose election
By HARRY SIEGEL | 6/18/08 8:35 PM EST
“Until 2000, it hadn’t happened in more than 100 years, but plugged-in observers from both parties see a distinct possibility of Barack Obama winning the popular vote but losing the Electoral College — and with it the presidency — to John McCain.”
#87-TrishfromCanada Hello
This is Rev. Mannings website-interesting minister
http://www.atlah.org/
oops
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11182.html
#90 Susie1945
WOW, What a wonderful letter!! True and to the point!!!
Re: post #85
Yes, well BO got the AA vote by seeming like he represented the Left and now he needs the moderates so he is swinging Right. He doesn’t stand for anything. He’ll say anything to get people’s votes. I might add that he is following the Oprah Winfrey playbook (pander to middle class and get their money- BO is doing same to get votes). Her strategy worked quite well. She became a billionaire by doing all this and so in 2008 she had the money to bankroll BO. BO and she are close (no matter what media says). I’m not watching Oprah (or buying her stuff) and I’m not voting for BO.
If BO becomes president there will be little change in how things are done in Washington.
Best all,
Lara08
Susie1945, I absolutely love your letter! You said it all, girl! Got to go write mine, now…wasn’t here yesterday.
Again, congrats on a job well done!
from the other Susy (1948)
Just checking in. I wrote my own letter to the Ladies in Waiting–not as eloquent as what I’ve read today on the blog, but at least I DID SOMETHING!!!
a portion:
Dear Senator,
As a woman who has suffered a few bumps on her own head from that glass ceiling, I am appalled that you could not find words to defend Senator Hillary Clinton, when asked about her mistreatment by the media, in your appearance on MSNBC.
Hillary Clinton was ridiculed for showing emotion before the New Hampshire primary. Yet, had a man shown a tear, he would have endeared himself to millions for his sensitivity. Instead, our media depicted it as a calculated ploy to appear human, or to win votes. Day after day we heard the media belittle her for that moment. Where were you when that happened?
When Hillary Clinton was still fighting so hard for her candidacy, and there were still important primaries to go, the men (and some women) in the Democratic Party chided her attempts to climb that mountain of contests and practically stomped on her fingers to make her fall off. WHERE WERE YOU? Were you one of those shouting for her to drop out?
When it was clear Hillary Clinton had won IMPORTANT primaries and was actually gaining strength and drawing in important demographics, while her opponent was beginning to falter, the media attacked her further and demanded an end to what they perceived as a charade. WHERE WERE YOU?
When Senator Obama’s supporters were permitted to denigrate her supporters in public conventions by using the filthiest of vulgarities—aimed only at women—and Senator Obama made no effort to stop that, WHERE WERE YOU? The public ridicule of Hillary Clinton by his supporters continues today at the mention of her name, with booing and obscenities. WHERE ARE YOU?
Now you seek my support of a man who is clearly a ruthless, ambitious, false prophet, who “preaches” rather than proposes doable and well-thought out actions. You seek my money and support of a man who has barely served in the Senate of the United States Congress at a time when our country is in dire need of an experienced and compassionate leader. WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? WHERE ARE YOU? Obviously, I know where you are. Do you know where I am?
Not with you…………By your silence, you have betrayed women everywhere.
Not with the Democratic Party……..They have fallen out of our reality.
Sincerely,
#80, #87 RE: Manning
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bd-1SzPq37w&feature=related
He continues to speak powerfully against HO-OBAMA, but doesn’t get many viewers…..
Just wonder where his truth of all his videos come from?
#90 Susie1945… PAR EXCELLENCE! POWERFUL LETTER!
Hello, all. Just a quick peek to see all the buzz during my break.
Taylor jabs at Will Bower at TaylorMarsh.com
I stopped going to her site the minute Hillary conceded. She hides behind party loyalty as her reason for her about face. Again, I have to ask. What good is that party when it allows female members to get slapped around verbally? The first item on that check list on women issues is just simple RESPECT.
Promises aren’t plans Barack!
http://www.nypost.com/seven/06192008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_vs__osama_116128.htm?page=0
What did Senator McCaskill,St. Louis say in the video?
She endorsed BO because of the influnce of her daughter? Who elected her?
#97 Lin4Hill… ALSO ANOTHER PAR EXCELLENCE, POWERFUL LETTER!
How can so many be stuck in the stupid gear? I thought paradigms were slowly fading from our old conditioned thought systems. Guess not. The suits, ties, hairstyles and age may change, but the need to be speech inspired (all drafted by a speechwriter) just amazes me.
#71 This morning’s paper said that McCain announced a plan to oopen the California coast to oil drilling! Maybe this was already discussed here yesterday, I am seeing it for the first time today. As McCain courts the women voters, he might also want to consider those of us who happen to also be environmentally sensitive. I wish he (or anyone) would come up with a plan to deal with price gouging by oil companies instead of a plan to drill off the coast. Schwarzenegger is actually the one sounding like a moderate Republican on this issue. Oh, if only HE could run for pres.
P.S. Why can’t they get it? We want “R E A L L E A D E R S H I P” not a figurehead with voter registration and old-schoo dirty politics experience?
Knoxville Puma
check your email. ASAP
I found this comment on another blog, it’s to Michigan my state.
Comment by BluDawg | 2008-06-19 11:11:11
Help Obama find Michigan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfeSNNRYIfM
The place he never won!
Good Afternoon Pumas,
Just finished reading all the posts. Great letters to the senators here! I sent mine last night and I’m afraid they were quite short and very direct. It’s that drill sergeant thingy!
Anyway, if you need a laugh, please check out this link, it’s hillarious! It’s Thursday, my weekly Shih Tzu bath day, so gotta go wash the little critters. Check back in later. Enjoy!
http://michellemalkin.com/
We shall not be moved
just like a tree
planted by the water
We shall not be moved!
http://www.youtube.com/user/SongsOfFreedomKids
no way, no how , nobama
Puma!
Check this out re: Obama going back on his word to publicly fund his campaign.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/06/obama-to-break.html
–Listen, it’s wonderful to email people, and we must continue that, but I think we need to do more ACTION, and I think we should raise money to put an ad in USA TODAY! We can all approve of the ad before it is published.
Please. Let’s take bigger action here at “People United Means Action.”
Let’s keep this strong and get on the big scene.
ATTENTION SPANISH-SPEAKING PUMAs:
Last night Lou Dobbs interviewed a member of the congressional Hispanic Caucus. I didn’t get the congressman’s first name, but his last name was Cuellar and he is a Democrat from Texas. Lou began by saying that Hillary had taken the Hispanic vote in the primaries by a 2-to-1 margin. Rep. Cuellar said that Obama had requested a meeting with the Hispanic Caucus and that he had “listened” to their concerns. But Rep. Cuellar warned that “Obama should not take the Hispanic vote for granted”. Cuellar repeated that warning several times throughout the interview with Dobbs.
At one point, Dobbs played a video of Obama saying that he leads among Hispanic voters by “35%”. Dobbs asked Cuellar if that’s true. Cuellar replied that the polls show one thing, but what he is hearing “on the streets” is something different! At no time did Rep. Cuellar indicate that the Congressional Hispanic Caucus would endorse Obama.
IF YOU SPEAK SPANISH, you might want to contact Rep. Cuellar and other members of the Hispanic Caucus and urge them NOT to endorse Obama. Hillary’s Latino supporters are NOT required to vote for Obama! There are other options out there! Let them know about PUMA Pac and tell them there is still a huge group of people who are out here working on Hillary’s behalf.
NYCgirl
#97 Lin4Hill – Great letter –
Aren’t words wonderful (as ol *61 says) – there are so many ways we’ve told those 10 senators (and the rest of the koolaid drinkers) that we’re so done with them…..
#41 MamaPuma – here’s one link but there’s a lot out there if you google ‘obama present votes’ – http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/obama-present-votes-on-_b_84312.html
#104 headoverhills – I thought I was hallucinating when I heard that. I’m hoping it’s just pandering, and we’ll see what happens with Bush’s request for the same. If Bush can’t push it through then I’m not worried. I don’t know what McCain’s trying to do but he needs to be more careful with the stuff he says or he’s going to lose my vote and I have to go 3rd party.
This came in an email from my best and oldest friend this morning. Some may have seen this, for those who have not, enjoy…..
THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
OPEC sells oil for $136.00 a barrel.
OPEC nations buy U.S. grain at $7.00 a bushel.
Solution: Sell grain for $136.00 a bushel.
Can’t buy it? Tough! Eat your oil!
Ought to go well with a nice thick grilled filet of camel ass!!!
NYCGirl – I saw that interview & I was impressed as hell with that guy – somebody who’s not following the party line – wonder how long it will take to get him to drink the koolaid??
#115 SusyT – LMAO – Don’t remember laughing so hard in a long, long time!
#70 utahpuma on 06.19.08 at 11:39 am, WROTE,
[[ Someone asked for the names of the DNC Rules and outlaws committee. Here’s a link
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/22/1108/27571
]]
************
Correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t some of the same people on the Credentials Committee that is due to meet on the first day of the August Convention?
It is at that meeting, that Hillary (and her legal team) can bring up Florida and Michigan will once again, and try to get the FULL delegate vote to 100%.
Now, the tricky part of that is, BHO is now the head of the party and will have *control* over that meeting also. So my guess is that he will try to come out as the Party’s Unifier and seat Florida and Michigan to their rightful 100%. In other words, he will try to take all the create instead of giving it to Hillary. Or, he may just try to block their full 100% voting capabilities. IOW, they will still be seated but with the current 1/2 vote.
So here’s the thing, as I see it. If they are fully seated at 100% vote, it is possible for them to cast their vote for Hillary on the first ballot of the Convention Roll Call; and THAT is why BHO is trying to redo the rules to prevent that first roll call in Hillary’s favor. WDYT?
Note: It is my understanding, that on the 1st roll call vote, the PLEDGED delegates should be bound to vote according to how their state voted. If they don’t they might anger their voters should any be up for reelection. Still, even pledged delegates are entitled to vote their conscience and/or to switch their vote. That could go either way depending upon what happens from now till then. BHO delegates can switch back to Hillary; or Hillary’s delegates can vote for BHO. At what point in the Convention that happens, I do not know. Matter of fact, I don’t know anything anymore because this man is *changing* all the rules to favor himself. Wel… at least we now know what change really means—hey.
Bottom line here is, besides writing to the SuperDelegates, PUMA should also be writing to the PLEDGED DELEGATES AS WELL.
You should also know the following:
- 1st day: Credentials Meeting
- 2nd Day: Presidential Nomination Vote
- 3rd Day: Vice Presidential Nomination Vote
Note: Lonny Davis has been pushing for the VP slot. Think this the url of the web site he is promoting.
http://www.womenforfairpolitics.com
#90 Susie -
PERFECTO!!!!! Let’s make this one (or a variation thereof) the next to send -
I love you MOXXXXYYYY!
greta
GGGGRRRRRROOOOOWWWLLL PPPPOOOOWWWEEERRR
#90
CORRECTION : YouR Moxy!
Greta
#89 Cosmeta….another great letter to the superdelegates!!
#111 kat in your hat-I would be willing to donate for that ad in US Today
#116 Susie1945
I’ll bet Rep. Cuellar scared the hell out of all the high-level Dems who thought he was going on the Lou Dobbs show to “talk up” Obama. I hope his caucus doesn’t endorse Junior.
NYCgirl
#115 SusyT
The thought of the day is off base. The speculators on Wall St. like George Soros are to blame for the high oil prices.along with Greenspan and Bernancke in hyperinflating the financial system. It is racism to think that the Arabs are to blame.
Blaming the Arabs for high oil prices is like blaming farmers for high food prices. We need to take our thinking to a higher level than this. The financial system is disintegrating.
“Polls” ah polls, the only poll Obama is climbing is the flag-pole to take a closer look at the American flag because he has forgotten what it looks like.
#111, #122 – I would be willing to donate for the ad also but they are very expensive so hope we can get a contribution from all the pumas – smaller donations but from many – OMG – isn’t that *61’s strategy????
let me know
Here’s my letter to Senator Boxer, et al:
I am a life-long Democrat and a supporter of Senator Hillary Clinton. Like many of my fellow Clinton supporters, I view your “Checklist for Change” as a blatant attempt to pander to women voters who have withdrawn their support from the DNC in response to the appointment of Senator Obama as the Presumptive Nominee.
I am gratified, and welcome your pandering. At the same time, I am weary of politicians and pundits telling me what’s important. If you’d like to pander, please address MY concerns. The following is my personal 10-item”Checklist for Change”.
1. I demand that the DNC and Senator Obama apologize for their complicit silence and implicit condoning of the vile misogyny that Senator Clinton was subjected to throughout her campaign;
2. I demand that the DNC denounce and rectify the strategy of suppression of Democratic votes in Florida and Michigan, votes that were cast in good faith by a record number of primary voters;
3. I demand an investigation into the legality of the DNC’s RBC decision of May 31, 2008;
4. I demand that my elected representatives abide by the will of their constituents as they choose which candidate to endorse as the DNC nominee;
5. I demand that superdelegates honor the voices of the 18 million who have called for Senator Clinton;
6. I demand that my representatives stop buying into Senator Obama’s “McSame” false debate, and start asking the more meaningful question: what is the real potential for success of the implementation of Obama’s stated positions and plans?
7. I demand that my elected representatives assume responsibility for stewardship of the will of the people and the well-being of our nation. We deserve a candidate who represents excellence, possesses an outstanding combination of skill and potential, and demonstrates an ability to cope with complexity
8. I demand that my representatives speak out against the appropriation and misuse of the issue of race by Senator Obama and his supporters. The issue of race continues to be used as a weapon to ostracize, silence, and marginalize Democrats and others who raise legitimate concerns regarding Obama’s candidacy.
9. I demand that the DNC and Obama campaign stop insulting our intelligence by resorting to Rovian fear tactics – Roe v. Wade, 100 years of war – to undermine the resolve of those of us who are determined to use the power of our votes in a way that is personally meaningful.
10. Don’t buy into the inaccurate characterization of Clinton supporters as “hurt”, “angry” and “frustrated”. We are OUTRAGED and we are called to action.
Respectfully yours,
#92 mpk
Thank you
#125 MadLogic – love your post – sitting here laughing like an idiot………………
Stuck in stupid gear LOL how accurate!
Research project for the day:
Obama says no to special interests? ha! Check this from his Illinois days:
http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/com_rcvd/C00381442/
Now that lobbying is so tightly regulated, there are reams of records online for the searching! It’s fun to play connect the dots with Obama’s finances….
“107 StarDust on 06.19.08 at 1:20 pm I found this comment on another blog, it’s to Michigan my state.
Comment by BluDawg | 2008-06-19 11:11:11
Help Obama find Michigan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfeSNNRYIfM
The place he never won!”
OMG – I love it!!!
Monday, June 16, 2008 – 1:22 PM MDT
Denver police turn to SWAT for help with DNC
Denver Business Journal
“Denver police are buying 88 crowd-control guns, ammunition and accessories from less-than-lethal weaponry maker Security With Advanced Technology Inc. in advance of the Democratic National Convention in August, the company reported.”
http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2008/06/16/daily10.html
Murphy
Final GROWL in your in box.
MDPUMA
Here’s the letter I just sent to Senator Boxer:
Dear Senator Boxer —
I doubt you will be the one to read this email but I want to make the effort to let you know that I have been a loyal democrat all of my adult life. I am 52 years of age and have never before witnessed the intense injustices of the Democratic party that I have seen this year.
I want you to consider that Senator Clinton won California in the primaries and these same Californians are the ones responsible for electing and re-electing you into your current position.
I’ve been reading that Senator Obama with the help of the DNC (which he controls) is planning to remove Hillary Clinton’s name from the ballot at the DNC Convention in August. What is going on with this Democratic party? The one thing missing is the original concept of democracy. Last time I looked, Senator Obama was only a presumptive nominee, yet he already has the power to trample on the rights of the voters when his influence on the DNC’s decision for Florida and Michigan were blatantly obvious. And now he’s planning to remove Clinton from the ballot along with any delegates that want to vote for her? When he succeeds in bullying his competition out and is the only choice, is that really a democracy?
If he is capable of doing this damage to the country BEFORE he is even elected to the most powerful position in this country, then I certainly don’t want to give him the opportunity to get to that position. My vote will be for McCain in November. No amount of Obama tactics to throw Roe v. Wade in my face will change my mind. No amount of media propaganda that claims I am a sore loser, or a racist will change my mind. My mind is made up because the truth is Senator Obama is unqualified and I do not feel safe in giving this man more power.
You Senator Boxer, along with all other Senators in this great country, still have the choice to do the right thing. It’s as simple as saying NO to Obama. It’s as simple as standing behind Senator Clinton. It’s as simple as DOING THE RIGHT THING. The voters will back you up if you choose wisely. We always have a choice. All of us always have a choice. I would like to see our ELECTED officials start to choose wisely and reflect their constituents.
Sincerely,
Mara Zebest
Droc,
You are certainly entitled to you opinion. Regarding the racism comment. You couldn’t be more wrong.
You just have to love the MSM don’t you? On the day Senator Clinton was given a VERY IMPORTANT speech on the economy, the MSM hardly mentions it, and instead focuses on Obama’s basketball skill. Lovely liberals!!!
BTW letter writers – as I was submitting my letters I started getting them bounced back – so since Amy Klobuchar is my senator – I added a ps saying that I noticed my letters were being ignored since I didn’t live in California, etc. and that perhaps she should remind her fellow senators that their title is United States Senator not state senator and that I would be sending the letters via snail mail…………..jus sayin’
#29, MPK– it amazes me that people are more concerned about Supreme Court judges than about the welfare of this nation, can’t undertsatnd the logic but I would assume that these people were going to vote for “O” from the beginning.
It is also amazing how Mrs. O is getting all of this perferential treatment and Hillary was dissed and she is a former first lady, a prominent Senator. They truly want the Clintons out of the picture and to handle that task so unkindly is down right shameful. I feel Hillary’s pain but she has to do what she has to do.
It will not be hard for me to pull the lever for Senator McCain because of the injustice that the democratic party has committed, I am not angry and not bitter, I see Senator Mccain as the lesser of two evils, I might not agree with all of his thinking but at least I know that he is patriotic, I think the other guy is too far gone to the dark side and only has his and those on the dark side interests at heart. I am with Rev manning, maybe my vote will hinder evil from living in the WH.
I’ve vented for today, I will focus back on work! Make today great Pumas. The letters are just lovely and to the point. Hopefully the Ten Stepford Women will get the message, we don’t want to be transformed, we want the freedom to choose the candidate.
#114 Not Falling in Line
I heard McCain was thinking about allowing drilling for oil here in the US also. He said something like since oil spills were less common now because of advances in Science(or something like that, I’m really paraphrasing now) he felt it safe enough and I suppose he is also concerned with Americas need right now to be independent from price gouging from foreign sources. I think we need to find other ways to get energy – advancing more in sun and wind power. This drilling for oil (a depleteble resource) is going to cause controversy.
Is it me … or does that “checklist for change” sound an awful like like what the democrats were going to do in the first 100 days of taking the majority in congress.
How did that work out?
Our democratic majority congress has an approval rating lower than Bush. Hmmm, and we are supposed to do what?!?!? Believe this time it will be different and take their word for it.
Maybe we can remind congress of the changes we’ve yet to achieve from two years ago.
post #138 – 67% of the population is for offshore drilling, as well as, using Alaskan resources. I’m sure if that percentage holds, nobama will flip-flop on his position.
Susy T It is not a matter of opinion that the high oil prices are due to speculationin a hyperinflted and bankrupt financial system, it is a provable reality.
Your “thought of the day” is typical of the impotent, populist mind set in much of the population. The Arabs are not to blame for the high oil prices. Nor are the Chinese or Indians to blame either.
In the meamtime, taking back the Democratic Party means naming the names of those who hijacked it. George Soros, Felix Rohatyn, et al. own Pelosi, Reid, Nobama, and Dean.
Our local paper, the Everett Herald, ran an article on the tanker issue (which I won’t get into here). The point, for our sake as PUMAs is that they ran the full quote of what McCain said and for BO only gave three words of what he said. In addition, they referred to McCain as “the presumptive Republican nominee for president.” BO was referred to as the “Democratic presidential nominee-in-waiting.” This article is the first one in which he has been referred to as something other than the “presumptive nominee.” Progress for the PUMAs perhaps? Are some in the media beginning to question that the DNC can select, not elect, the nominee?
#127 Tarma – love your 10 points!!!
MarylandPuma….I can see how hard you are working and how much you have done. THANKS. And, have you had a chance to work on the “WE WANT” list for the Action page? Do you need another posting of the “WE WANT” list?
Also, I agree it would be SUPER if we could incorporate a direct “Reply to Individual Posts”….it would be SO much easier to communicate. If someone is working on that…..great.
#138 – I agree, something must be done. The worst part is that inspite of the price per barrell of oil, the oil companies are raking in record multi-billion $ profits. It seems that the higher the oil price, the more profit they make. If they voluntarily kept the gas-at-the-price pump lower – say at $3 a tank, the oil companies would STILL earn record profits… just not as much as they are with $4 a gallon.
#104 headoverhills
My understanding is he opening up exploration IF a state wants it. That it would be up to the state itself. I too am concerned about that. I know a lot of repubs are not happy with McCain, saying he is too liberal too enviormently friendly. So maybe he is pandering to them.
Hey Pumas – just found this site – check it out & sign up -
http://together4us.com/sign.php
Pledge of Togetherness for Hillary
#143 zephyr – Thanks!
Good data to support us.
http://www.thenextright.com/patrick-ruffini/obamas-pacs-and-lobbyists-canard
#139, I agree. We really don’t know what depleting the earth of oil is doing to the core. And the goop in the air is doing nobody any good.
We must come up with something progressive. Is that the best we humans can do…drill, drill, drill. Been there, done that. Where are the great thinkers?
I was wondering if someone could explain the public financing to me, we don’t have that in Canada. Because it’s hard to get unbiased information on it from the net. But correct me if i’m wrong, what I am understanding it to be, is that the candidates give in anything the raised and have not yet spent during th eprimaries. And then they use public financing for the 86 or so million dollars.
If I understand it correctly then I see why Obama would back out of the deal, beacause he has a major slump with raising money right now. I’m not agreeing that it is the right thing to do I’m saying I see why he is doing it, if I am right on my understanding of it.
So, if someone has a few minutes to explain it, in very simple terms, I’d greatly appreciate it.
But based on the news reports that Obama’s first lot of money that advanced him so quickly in funds at the beginning of the primaries, was from donations by Republicans so they would not have to tango with Hillary, then I bet these republicans are kicking themselves in the backside right now.
Because yes, McCain is friends with Hillary, however, he’s not exactly innocent in Obama becoming the powerforce of the DNC. It was dirty politics on both sides.
Ok got that vent out, I really just want to understand public financing better so when I discuss/argue it with my friends later, I sound like I am informed.
#131 Middle age female~
Lmao~ Noname also stated while in Oregon that the had such wonderful Great Lakes while looking at the danged Ocean~
He really needs to take a geography class~hmmmm
maybe a 5th garde geography class might get him to speed!
#91mcr I clicked on the link you provided and it has now “been moved or cannot be found”
Jeez – the man is a mess – he wouldn’t study history in college – so he knows nothing about that – must have been (who knows what) when geography was being taught – would say he knows english but only if he can read a tele-prompter – Hillary, Hillary, Hillary -where are you please……………………….
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#152 Webfoot
I found your site which was lost
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11182.html
http://www.dncmonopoly.com/
Pumas
GROWL has been emailed and should be up on Action Site soon.
Three pages for a TWO DAY event.
Will be sent by dailygrowl.pumapac@gmail.com
If you do not get it, check your spam, then email me if it isn’t there at the above email.
My inbox was too innundated with need to do projects and I needed to separate them.
Thanks,
MarylandPUMA
#153 Susie1945~
Lol~He was probablymeeting up with Larry Sinclair and skipped out on the geography class, the debate class & oh yeah the free speech class~
#90susie1945 just got your letter that so many PUMAs have raved about. Wow! You nailed it. When I was hired by the feds in the late 70’s I was told by some men that I was hired because it was “bra and panties time.” Yes, that comment was actually said. My daughter (college age) gets what has happened to Hillary because I have told her about all the glass ceilings I had to break through (I was one of four women in my occupation in the entire state). As I told my husband, we had to be BETTER than the men; we couldn’t just be as good as them. And we were (not bragging, just a statement of fact). And Hillary is BETTER than BO. There are some men that just can’t handle it. I thought these battles had been fought thirty years ago. Apparently women have to keep fighting them. So, when we get a generation that is so far removed from the battles that some of us fought they truly don’t understand what we are talking about.
NotFallingInLine
Thanks for the help on the “present” votes
#150 TrishFromCanada – used to live in way Northern MN – spent alot of time in Canada – mostly ThunderBay-anyway back to your point – I think (not sure if I’m correct or not) when we file our taxes every year there is a check off box to donate money to parties – if you chk yes – money goes into pot for Dems, Repubs, etc. – if no – they don’t get any – my state has same thing only a little more specific – does that help???
Drilling … environment … oil prices … none of which nobama truly understands. None of which can be decided by a president of the united states … if that were the case, the ban would have been lifted.
Our cause is to regain control of our party, so that our voices will be heard on those issues. As for now, debating those issues on this blog will not accomplish our tasks.
Several people were going out this weekend to post fliers. How many others are posting fliers? Has anyone checked back to see if the pull-off tabs were gone?
The letters are great … they certainly disprove any notion that we are low-class, uneducated, and poor minded.
#155stardust. Thanks.
thanks webfoot – try my best………………:)
#22 disenchanted-well said.
Water not Oil:
My husband saw a car running on water in Japan on Fox News the other day. He then tells me this, a friend of his dads invented a boat that runs on sea water. What happened to this guy? He lives on a private island outside of Greece somewhere that he bought with the money MOBIL OIL gave him for the patten!
About this car in Japan, you can use any water and I think it gets millions of miles to the gallon. Running low? Pull out that bottle of Fiji from the gym bag and
fill ‘er up. But damn what will we do with all the plastic bottles? haha………
#90 Susie1945~
BTW~Your letter is AWESOME~
Gosh – just realized when I sent comment to Trish – I was married to guy from Michigan & lived in Florida too – does that make me an honorary 1/2 person??????
With regards to offshore oil drilling, I’m thinking that we can’t have our cake and eat it too. We want to sever our dependency on foreign oil and all the garbage that goes along with holding their hands but not willing to touch our own territory for fear of oil spills or what not. I agree that we must look at other alternatives such as solar and wind energy for the long term. I lived in Japan for 4 years and during that time, I remember the Japanese buying tons of lumber from places like Indonesia, Vietnam, etc.. Literally, they were stripping forests of these countries. When environmentalists called the Japanese government on it, their response was “the wood in Japan is sacred and scarce.” What kind of bs is that? My point is, we can’t be all about protecting our coastal backyard AND be expecting to bid farewell to foreign oil dependency –not anytime soon anyway.
MarylandPUma…just got the Daily Growl in my email THANKS!!!!
Thanks gokimfrommichigan – see #168
Action Alert
Aol poll question about nobama’s decision about public financing.
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/06/19/hot-seat-obama-and-public-financing/
WOW – took the poll – 67% think he’s a hypocrite – ya think??
#168 Susie1945~
Being from Michigan and what they did to us is more like being 1/4 a person so I guess that would make you a honorary 1/4 person~
thanks I think – was only married to him for 4 yrs so maybe less than 1/4 – darn………………
lol~
sorry if this is a repost:
“Obama could win popular vote and lose election”
Now that’s what I want to hear
Below is my letter to Senator Patty Murray, from my home state. Most of the rest were similar, with a slight variation for Senator Mikulski. The article below shows that Senator Mikulski did, in fact, speak out against the media’s coverage of Senator Clinton. Therefore, I was careful to thank her for that, but also to hold her accountable for her actions now with the DNP.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/senator-mikulski-criticizes-media/
Senator Murray,
I am a well-educated professional, as well as a loyal Senator Clinton supporter. I am disappointed and saddened to hear that you have abandoned Senator Clinton and all that she stands for and are working to “unify” those of us who support her to back Senator Obama. I believe my comments below will help you understand why Senator’s Obama’s attempts at unity within the Democratic National Party (DNP) have failed and will continue to fail. This fact should greatly concern you, as one of his very few attributes that he purportedly brought to his nomination was his ability to “unify” the American people. As is being demonstrated right before your eyes he cannot even unify his own party, let alone the entire nation. Acknowledging his failure, the DNP is now seeking your assistance in this endeavor. Senator Obama’s inexperience in the national political arena explains, in part, his inability mobilize the party.
We, as Americans, believe passionately in a free, open, and fair democratic process to nominate the Party’s strongest candidate to go against the opposition in the general election. That process was not followed by the DNP; indeed, it was desecrated time and again by the media, the DNP, and Senator Obama’s campaign to hand-select the nominee they wanted. Senator Clinton, a respected two-term Senator and former first lady, and her supporters were forced to endure caustic, sexist, and hate-filled comments throughout the primaries. The DNP’s and Senator Obama’s campaign’s deafening silence in opposition to this conduct by the media and Senator Obama’s supporters gave it weight and acceptance as a norm.
Your silence during the primary race and your and attempts now to gain our support for Senator Obama allow this pervasive sexism to continue and sets women’s progress back 50 years. This was the most vile, misogynistic campaign we have ever seen against a woman.
While free speech is a right bestowed upon every American, responsible speech was vital to maintaining the Party’s unity. The DNP and Senator Obama’s campaign were given a multitude of opportunities throughout the primary season to provide leadership and stop the hateful and sexist comments in order to maintain party unity. This is particularly true for Senator Obama, whose actions will represent the nation on an international scale, should he win the general election. His conduct is not what I would deem “presidential.” I do not believe it is in our country’s best interests to have a president who would condone, let alone participate in sexist, hateful, and divisive remarks and behavior. Senator Obama and the DNP chose to allow the behavior to continue, and did so to their detriment. Their choice has left millions of us wondering what kind of party would allow such divisiveness to penetrate and alienate its core constituencies when this is such a crucial year for the DNP as it seeks to regain the White House.
You and your female colleagues have now organized a unified front to gain Senator Clinton’s supporters. Where was this unified front as she was being attacked, vilified, and splayed for the world to see during the primaries? Where was your support for the female voters who supported you and supported her? I will stand and vote for individuals who stand by their convictions and have a backbone. I will not vote for individuals who allow themselves to be manipulated “for the good of the party,” because I support Senator Clinton for the good of the nation. There are many in Congress out there who continue to stand by her because she is the most qualified person to be the democratic nominee. Rest assured they will have the support of the 18 million of us who support Senator Clinton.
I urge you to reconsider your position, and I ask that you not to change your superdelegate vote to Senator Obama. He already has the requisite number of delegates to secure the nomination. Changing your vote at the convention to support Senator Obama is not required, but instead clearly signals those of us who support Senator Clinton that you have abandoned us, as has the DNP.
As stated in Ronald Reagan’s immortal words in 1962, “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party. The party left me.”
Thank you for your time.
Respectfully,
A Will
PUMA Democrat
sorry, here’s the link
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080619/pl_politico/11182
We should also consider some blogs from the dark side (conservative blogs) for our needs.
Take a look at some of the talking points developing against BO.
http://www.urbanconservative.com/
http://www.thenextright.com/
#161 Susie1945
It does help but then it gives me more questions, I’ll research it better once I get home.
I love Thunder Bay, I’ve been up there a few times, unfortunately only in the winters, I think I might get a chance to go up there this summer though for a work thing.
My son say’s being we have such a large extended family of 60 that our family is now only worth the equivalent of 15 votes~
He then asked being noname is registering dead people and others are voting more than once do we get to vote 4 times to make up for up~come on now fair is fair right~
#177 mini vee
What goes around comes around
#150 Trish, This is a quicky explanation of public financing. Under federal law, matching funds are provided to candidates in the primary and general election. Both Hillary and BO declined public financing in the primary – because if you accept those funds, you also must accept limits on SPENDING (spending, in my view, is one of the biggest problems in campaign finance). Anyhoo, once you get to the general election, the candidate (who accepts public finance) will receive a flat grant ($86 million or therabouts – this money is raised through a voluntary tax-checkoff on our federal income tax form so the amount fluctuates from year to year). The catch is this: If you accept public financing then you must agree NOT to raise any other money (except for administrative and legal expensives). Public financing was conceived of as a way to equalize the playing field so that non-wealthy individuals could also compete in presidential races. It gives “equality” to people of lower financial means and allows everyone to compete on the same footing. It is especially beneficial for any candidate who might have difficulty raising money. Before this year, EVERY candidate opted to take it because nobody had ever raised the kind of money we’re talking about this year. By accepting public financing you don’t have to use your campaign apparatus to raise money — you are guaranteed this money. I don’t think anybody ever expected to see this kind of money being raised – it’s record breaking. But if you are able to raise vasts sums of money, or believe you can raise more than what is in the public financing coffers, it wouldn’t really make sense to accept it. In other words, I don’t think he’s refusing public financing because he’s in a slump right now – but rather because he thinks he can do better than that (!!!). It is amazing to me that anyone could possibly think they can raise more than $86 million – but apparently, that is what BO believes, otherwise, he wouldn’t turn it down. If he can’t raise that amount, he will have screwed himself. I don’t have a clue how much money he has raised thusfar, but my guess is that he thinks he can come close enough to $86 million that he doesn’t need public finance. If it were me, I’d want the money just so I didn’t have to spend the time doing fundraising. He must actually believe he will raise in excess of that amount – otherwise this just doesn’t make ANY sense to me!
For the tech savvy people out there: is there a way to start a list of true “him” supporters (ones who just drank the kool aid), and those who were forced too? Example: I live in Colorado. I wrote Perlmutter asking why he endorsed “him” a couple of months ago. His written response was along the lines of “I like his ideas” but he couldn’t give me a specific one. (He was also rude to me at the senate district convention). I will vote against him in the election coming up. He’s a true supporter. Now Gov. Rendell did not want to endorse him but was forced to. He needs to be looked at according to his merits when his re-election comes up. So we are dealing with 2 different groups of people. I think we should really target the kool aid drinkers and not go as hard on those forced. I bring this up because of Obama’s meeting with the Hispanic group in Washington. They are being pressured that if they don’t go along they will have a tough time in Congress. The tough style politics can be hard on the smaller groups. We need to know who the true DNC destroyers are. It’s hard to keep sorting through the huge lists and figuring out. IMO Edwards and Richardson definitely belong to Kool aid kids group!
#178 A-WILL A big thank you for your letter!!! So many good ones today!! I wish Hillary could read them so she can see how passionate and how much support
she has. I know when she tried to say something about sexism in the campaign, she got slammed by the media. And the media pundits, of course (according to themselves) are completely innocent. What a joke.
You know, maybe, just maybe, Hillary and Bill are reading these posts!!!!
AWill – great letter but 1 ? – why did Mikulski wait until May to say something? Sorry – I’m throwing her under the bus with the others – different bus tho – not ours
Sorry Trish – guess I never paid much attention – back in the day there used to be enough money from us taxpayers – not anymore – Greed Is Good –
GoKim – your son’s logic makes just as much sense to me as *61’s
– lol
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/19/obama/index.html
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/06/obama-ayers-connection-big-lie.html
#178 A-Will Great letter~
#186 Susie1945~LOL
#183 headoverhills
Ok thank you, got it now. Obama claims to have raised 236 million as of April 30, 2008. However he has not stated how much he raised in May yet. My question now is , I understand he cannot use money raised in the primary for the general election, is this correct?
#184 Taffy
I can create an excel spreadsheet and enter the data. It would be easy to do, I’d just need to know who is a true supporter and who isn’t.
#183 – WOWZA, I had no idea! And here I was thinking he’d be LUCKY to raise $86 million. He has to raise separate funds for the general. Did John McCain accept pubic financing? I remember there was an issue with him and the FEC during the primary, but I can’t recall the specifics.
There does seem to be a media climate change regarding nobama the last couple of days… not as much “rah, rah”. And Gore’s endorsement seems to have almost been forgotten.
Let’s keep the media pressure up … I think they are beginning to realize that we aren’t going away.
I finished today’s action tasks, so I’m making the superdelegate email rounds again. In addition, to my usual media emails.
I’m trying to get a sense of whom the talk radio personalities are to send emails. Any suggestions?
just noticed my icons are back – thought they were lost to cyberhell – were gone last nite…………it’s a miracle…
gotta run will try and get back later in the am before work~
Droc,
Opec most certainly does “work” at fixing prices and supply! Opec is an organization, not a “race”. I believe I have explained myself clearly and will respond to no more of your insults to my intelligence, or my personal integrity.
To all other PUMAs who may have read my original post. I truly meant no harm. If I in any way offended any of you, please accept my most sincere apologies.
Another good article on BO’s honesty.
http://purplepeoplevote.blogspot.com/2008/06/obamas-honesty-problem.html
PUMAS NOW!!!
I have been a lurker here, as well as an avid supporter and have completed the requested actions. They are grat. I usually post over at hcsfjm.com. And I now have a question. What is the policy regarding sharing of info between blog sites. I would like to post some of the letters to Boxer and the addresses on that site to garner additional support and action. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
Also, to let you know, the hcsfjm.com web site is pllanning on taking out a full page add in the Chicago Sun Times stating our position. Check out the web site to see a copy of the letter. Ed Hale over there is presently gathering donations. See what you think.
Awaiting your response and thank you! I am with you 100%!!
re: #169:
We get only 6% of our oil from teh Middle East, the bulk of it is from Mexico, Canada, and Venezuela.
Re: the post on oil companies buying the patent on the engine that runs on water… the oil companies have been buying patents on alternative fuel engines, and any other patents that would infringe on their bottom line, for decades now.
G’morning PUMAS!
#183 Headoverhills. Thanks for the great explanation of public financing. I love that people on this site are so helpful in making the political process less muddy.
Okay, maybe that’s a bad choice of words. It’s a muddy process, made muddier by the folks involved these days. But my fellow pumas help me see the mud for what it is.
Hi fellow PUMAs,
This is my first post on the site although since I joined a week ago, I visit it daily to see what everyone is saying. I’m a 58 year old, Black NJ woman and a strong Hillary fan (although even stronger Bill fan) :>) I’ve suffered through the primaries witnessing the disloyalty of the DNC, the disgraceful, disrespectful, unabashed bias of the media and pollsters, the blind ignorance of my fellow AAs supporting an egotistical, arrogant, cocky, inexperienced, upstart just because he’s Black – and I’m very, very angry.
I think what makes me angrier than anything however, is the O-nuts, DNC, pundits, pollsters and media really believing and reporting that this anger will pass and come November we’ll all line up like good little soldiers and fight for “Precious” to be king. NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!!! The week following Hillary’s exit, I re-registered as an Independent after 30+ years as a loyal Democrat. And you know what? It was EASY to do.
I’d like to suggest a way to really let the DNC know what they’re up against in November. They’re so proud that voter registration is up since Precious started his campaign and everyone is so-o-o-o excited over this donkey. If we all started re-registering as Independents, they wouldn’t have so much to brag about regarding increasing membership in the DNC, if they’re losing members at the same time. Just a thought. I can tell you I just feel a whole lot better about the situation knowing that I’m not associated with the UN- Democratic Party any longer. And yes, I’ll be voting for McCain this fall.
SusyT – no apologies necessary to me – I’d seen that joke before about the price of oil & wheat – & I thought it was funny and also thought yeah – let’s do that – pretty hard to grow things in the desert………………
(post #183) My thanks too for that explanation. Wow, pretty thorough … I didn’t know the details.
#137 Susie1945 on 06.19.08 at 1:52 pm
If your letters are getting bounced through the email form, there is also the option to fax them, if you have access to a fax machine.
(I’d still add the ps saying that your letters to senators not in your state were being ignored since you didn’t live in their state and that perhaps she should remind her fellow senators that their title is “United States Senator” not “state senator.” I might or might not add that you were going to fax or snail mail them – not sure about this ’cause she might ignore conveying your message if she thinks you’re just going to use another method to reach them).
There was a posting last night w/detailed contact info for the 10 women senators, including their fax #’s.
I will try to locate it and post it as soon as I do. Stay tuned.
#194 SusyT~
I agree they do work at price fixing and supply & that does NOT amke it Racist~it makes it fact~
All of them do it including Mexico, Canada, and Venezuela where we get even more from~
ok really gotta run this time night all~
P.s. I roflma at your joke as did my daughter
#197 Thank YOU Firebelle.
I must have missed the racist part.
#131 and #151:
P-H-O-M-E-S
Pacific, Huron, Ontario, Michigan, Erie, Superior
good afternoon PUMAS.
I have been busy all day, but I just wrte this on FOX News, regarding Obama’s decision of not accepting public funding for his “campaign”
I hope all Republicans unite this year to defeat Obama. No matter if some Republicans do not like him, I believe that McCain is the only option we have to avoid Obama stealing the presidency the way he has stolen the nomination. I am an Independent myself who could have never thought of voting Republican ( I have always voted Dems) but this year I identify myself more with McCain being a Hillary supporter. I pray that people in the Republican Party will get united to defeat Obama, because oir country does not deserve to have him as president. He has divided not only the party but the country as well, has used typical divisive strategies to steal the nomination, has ignored the will of millions of Americans, has done everything in his power not to count FL and MI votes, and is using a very divisive strategy to divide the Republican party and turn it against McCain.
No human being is perfect, but McCain has proven to be concerned for the future of this country. Obama has shown he would do and say whatever to obtain what he wants more: his political ambition of becoming president.
It is time for us to stop this man from dividing the country. Vote for McCain as the only way of avoiding a political catastrophe.
I hope you all will listen.
Respectfully,
Oscar P.
Miami, FL
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We are trying hard to make justice and reinstate Hillary, but we should also pay attention to the division within the Republican Party. We should also tell them that they need to get united and vote for McCain to stop this political suicide.
IndyPuma – checked that site – why doesn’t *61 have that on his “smear site” – LOL
For the record – does state that McCain will opt in for public financing this fall – we’ll see……………………
#161 Susie1945 and #203 headoverhills
Yes, thank you both again, I’m going to look sooooooooooooooooooo smart when I have dinner with my friends tonight. HAHA
Re: PUMA on Cavuto at 4:00 pm ET
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/
Neil Cavuto Alert + Open Thread »
By SusanUnPCcloseAuthor: SusanUnPC Name:
Email: susanunpc@gmail.com
Site: http://noquarterusa.net/
About: See Authors Posts (1055) on June 19, 2008 at 2:00 PM in JustSayNoDeal.Com, Open Thread, PUMA | 7 Comments
Paula Abeles — aligned with the Just Say No Deal and PUMA movements — is Neil Cavuto’s guest on Fox News at 4:00 p.m. ET today. (We’ll have video later.)
For those of you whose emails to the 10 Women Senators are being bounced, here is detailed contact info., in case you’d like to use fax, snail mail, etc.
I’d recommend fax if you could, but snail mail is better than nothing.
(Compliments of #218 mystic4hill on 06.18.08 at 12:11 pm)
Contact info for 10 Female Senators:
Barbara A. Mikulski
United States Senate, Maryland
Hart Senate Office Building, Suite 503
Washington, DC 20510 – 2003
(202) 224-4654
fax: (202) 224-8858
email: senator@mikulski.senate.gov
Debbie A. Stabenow
United States Senate, Michigan
133 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510-2203
DC Phone: 202-224-4822
DC Fax: 202-228-0325
contact form: http://stabenow.senate.gov/email.cfm
Blanche Lambert Lincoln
United States Senate, Arkansas
355 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
(202) 224-4843
Fax (202) 228-1371
contact form: http://lincoln.senate.gov/webform.html
Patty Murray
United States Senate, Washington State
173 Russell Senate Bldg.
Washington, D.C. 20510
Phone: (202) 224-2621
Fax: (202) 224-0238
contact form: http://murray.senate.gov/email/index.cfm
Dianne Feinstein
United States Senate, California
331 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
Phone: (202) 224-3841
Fax: (202) 228-3954
contact form: http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactUs.EmailMe
Barbara Boxer
United States Senate, California
112 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
Phone: (202) 224-3553
Fax: (202) 224-0454
contact form: http://boxer.senate.gov/contact/email/policy.cfm
Maria Cantwell
United States Senate, Washington State
511 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
phone: 202-224-3441
fax: 202-228-0514
contact form: http://cantwell.senate.gov/contact/
Mary Landrieu
United States Senate, Louisiana
724 Hart Senate Building
United States Senate
Washington, DC 20510
Voice: (202)224-5824
Fax:(202) 224-9735
contact form: http://landrieu.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm
Claire McCaskill
United States Senate, Missouri
Hart Senate Office Building, SH-717
Washington, D.C. 20510
(202) 224-6154
FAX (202) 228-6326
contact form: http://mccaskill.senate.gov/contact/
Amy Klobuchar
United States Senate, Minnesota
302 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
phone: 202-224-3244
fax: 202-228-2186
contact form: http://klobuchar.senate.gov/emailamy.cfm?contactForm=emailamy&submit=Go
This is why I’m confused, so many have also alluded to things being stolen. So why isn’t Obama in jail? He didn’t stand up as a man and say that since he wasn’t on the ballot he shouldn’t have had any votes, then there’s the fact that he recieved stolen votes from Hillary and didn’t say no to that either, and lets not forget that he made it, that a vote only counted as half, so please tell me why he’s not in jail for theft or at the very least abetting crimainals who did the stealing? “NO THIEF FOR CHIEF”
#209 DancesWithPumas~
Roflma again~ thank you now I really am going to bed or I’ll never get up to go to work~
I’ll still be laughing in my sleep thank you SuzyT & Suzie 1945 for the laughs
Are we finally having an effect? Love to see a donkey eating a donkey
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11191.html
#168 Susie1945
LOL
Hey, I think it makes you a miracle because the Florida half was removed, then the Michigan half, so you’re non-existent. See once again Obama’s math does not add up, you’re a zero yet you exist.
They’re so proud that voter registration is up since Precious started his campaign and everyone is so-o-o-o excited over this donkey.
Nevermore, welcome. LOL with your comment above. The thing that BUGGED me during the primary is that the msm and others talked about voter registration going up in the Dem party as if it was ALL because of O-be-one. Helloooo, as my memory recalls, 18 million voted for Hillary…but they must be from the old Dems…not the new urban, latte sipping Dems.
#209 NeverMore…thanks for your post. I think your suggestion about re-registering as Independent has and IS being done by a multitude of individuals. I ‘ve read hundreds of posts here and elsewhere where people have even sent their torn registration cards in the mail to Mr. Dean. So you are certainly not alone!!!!
The more the merrier!
~If we all started re-registering as Independents, they wouldn’t have so much to brag about regarding increasing membership in the DNC~
I won’t be changing parties. I can do much more damage as a Democrat, besides, they’re are still a few good folks I’ll want to support in my local and state elections.
BUT, this lifelong knee-jerk liberal sncc fundraising ban the bomb VISTA volunteer who has demonstrated for, marched with, and supported civil rights (black, women’s, gay/lesbian/native american, etc.) will be voting for McCain come November.
They’re all pandering for votes now… I’m ignoring the talk and paying attention to the walk. I might think about Democrats in 2012, but only if certain conditions have been met.
Zeyphr
I got it…..you’re up next in the document creating queue.
Maryland PUMA
#214 tree on 06.19.08 at 3:23 pm
He also didn’t object when Kennedy, Kerry and others ignored the votes of the people of their states and supported him, even though he lost miserably in some of those states.
….Reeks of hypocrisy and lack of integrity! Great “character” this guy’s got.
tree, there are so many thieves who are not in jail! But only because Obama is not in jail, it doesn’t mean he is not a thief. Obama used the most divisive techniques to divide the country, used the DNC envy towards Hillary to get where he is now. Obama stole the nomination because the will of 18 million Americans does not reflect him as the nominee, and yet, he is the one being nominated. Time will show the real Obama, no matter what will happen, how much make up they apply to Michelle Obama, no matter how many times Obama tries to change his skin, the real Obama will surface as it has in the past. A lie can be maintained for some time, not forever. The same people that have covered his lies will uncover them when they feel pressed to do it, just give it some time.
There is no need for him to go to jail, because he is living in a permanent jail that he himself created with all the political tactics he has used to divide the country. What could be worse than knowing that you have been selected, not elected by the same people he proclaims to be representing. How someone can be happy running to become president when 18 million people have decided that we don’t want him for president? That is worse than staying in jail.
Ah.. the wonderful Democratic Party.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11191.html
It’s all about the benjamins. $$
Is this an action item?
A few newcomers sneaked in upthread. Be sure to welcome Nevermore and VApuma!
Taffy, I know you’re from Colorado…just wanted to let you know that for 18millionvoices (formerly million woman march) has a state organizer out of Boulder–if you’re nearby there. Join if you can. They have a first meeting this Saturday.
Hi there Nevermore and VApuma, pull up a seat, grab a coffee or whatever you like and get comfy, this place is addictive!
TrishfromCanada,
Next thing you know we’ll have you moving to the States!
The DCCC is also getting help from Obama. The presumptive Democratic presidential nominee sent out his first fundraising e-mail solicitation for the committee on Wednesday.
“America, this is our moment. This is our time. Our time to turn the page on the policies of the past. Our time to bring new energy and new ideas to the challenges we face. Our time to offer a new direction for the country we love,” Obama said in his e-mail.
“You and I are clear about our goal. We are out to change Washington in a deep and lasting way, charting a new course for America. That means winning the White House. But it also means building a strong foundation in Congress by electing dozens of new, change-oriented candidates nationwide.”
I don’t think I’ll get a request since I unsubscribed to the DNC – darn – I so wanted to send it back with a message……………………
goKim and Susie1945, Thanks. Very much.
Trish..I know Ed Perlmutter is a kool aid kid. We can safely assume Richardson and Edwards are too. I know Colorado governor and senators held out but now backing “hIm’. Have to find out why. Can’t remember Hillary’s supporter from Georgia that was forced to change, same as Rendell. Pelosi we know definitely goes to TOP of list. We need to know who to vote against especially this Nov. and let them know why. HELP people. I’ll check out the CO ones. I don’t want the non thinkers to stay that easily.
Re: Lynn Sweet’s Blog Chicago Sun Times. She gives some interesting tidbits.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/
The scoop from Washington
June 19, 2008
News organizations complain about being misled by Obama campaign.
Hat tip to Ben Smith at The Politico LINK for obtaining a letter to the Obama campaign from six Washington Bureau Chiefs, including the NBC’s late Tim Russert, complaining about being misled by the Obama campaign. The bottom line: reporters paying a lot of money to travel with Obama were misled about him being on the plane with them. “Each of our organizations is reviewing whether we will reimburse the campaign for last night’s flight,” the letter said.
Posted by Lynn Sweet at 10:09 AM | Permalink | Comments (0)
Republican National Committee research on what Obama has said about public campaign financing.
FROM THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE………
OBAMA VS. OBAMA ON PUBLIC FINANCING
After Supporting Public Financing When It Was In His Interest To Do So, Obama Now Claims System Is “Broken” And Opts Out For General Election
and more…..
I don’t know if anyone saw this on TV this morning, can’t remember what channel it was on….but Ed Rendell (PA) was interviewed (think it was Fox, but not positive) about throwing his support to Obama after being fervent Hillary supporter.
He said, “Yeah, when I go to an event for Obama I’m greeted with former Hillary supporters with packets of Kool-Aid for me. They think I’m taking the Kool-Aid and now I think Obama is the greatest thing in the whole world (or something to that effect about how great the Kool-Aid drinkers think Obama is).
When the interviewer said people were saying he was being considered for Obama’s VP andcould be a very likely choice, Rendell almost fell over himself DENYING that, couldn’t think of enough reasons he WASN’T suitable for the job! Politely, but it was looked to me he was totally freaking at the very thought. I got a chuckle from that.
P.U.M.A. PAC THIRD ALERT
Congrats to Puma Power
June 19, 2008
60 letters sent so far.
The Third set of 1,000 Reasons Protest Letters was sent to Howard Dean, Chairman of the Democratic Party with a copy to Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House.
Each letter was sent separately to emphasize the importance of the contents and the author and also to avoid being filtered as spam. These articulate and passionate letters come from Puma’s in 21 different states and territories and demonstrate the broad base (pun intended) that Puma power achieved within 2 days.
New states heard from in this set of letters:
Michigan Tennessee
Letters come from all these states and territories with just the first 60 letters:
California Colorado Florida Georgia Kentucky Massachusetts Michigan Mississippi Missouri New Mexico Pennsylvania Puerto Rico Tennessee Texas Wyoming Arizona Hawaii Minnesota New York Washington Washington DC
Congratulations to these Pumas. Your letters have been sent.
PumaName State
Bill-K
N.Lee
TucsonTransplant Arizona
PhxNickD Arizona
Missy California
boubala California
beverlleslie California
SLDEM California
Independent Florida
gokimfrommichigan
Michigan
sar-ny New York
WeezulBadjur New York
joanna0902 Pennsylvania
PeggySue Tennessee
ABW4HRC Tennessee
BrianKnoxvilleTN Tennessee
evy Texas
MuchAdoAboutSomething Texas
MikeN Washington
portia9 Washington
VAPUMA…WELCOME!!! As to your question “What is the policy regarding sharing of info between blog sites. “….
You can go to Contact PUMA and ask. I’m not sure but you can always post the website over there and refer people to come over here to read. So what part of Va are you from? I am in Richmond
Murphy and all…
This rule change to elimate the first roll call deserves a huge GROWL. What can we do?
Just re-read those 2 little paragraphs – WTF???
But it also means building a strong foundation in Congress by electing dozens of new, change-oriented candidates nationwide.”
Who is he talking about? Is he planning to get rid of all the old dems who are up for re-election this fall – all of the House is up & 1/3 of the Senate. Where are these candidates coming from – can’t all be from Chicago.
This is just getting creepier & creepier – & more & more manchurian candidate……………………
PS…
I’ll take a project on regarding the roll call issue.
#229 Murphy
I better do it before the GE then! LOL My grandfather lived in New York City his last 20 years, he always told me to move there when I finished uni. I should have listened!
I think the fact that nobama is backtracking on public financing should be played up more. Maybe we can include that in a future email or letter.
Murphy
What DAY did puma start in June?
Thanks MamaPUMA for getting the letters sent to Dean today. Nice of you to make the list.
Shoot…..I mean date
Nevermore, Welcome!!!
Your input is greatly valued. It helps to have perspective from everyone–we’re all in this together. It’s about fixing this country–not giving a newbie–or “Precious”–as you call him–such a steep learning curve. Our country needs so much repair–economically, strategically, environmentally, academically, socially, internationally—we just cannot hand it over to someone who hasn’t proven they can really roll up their sleeves and work, instead of schmooze with the politically connected.
Welcome.
Hi Murphy…………..just found a terrific list of news organizations, etc with snail mail addresses, email addressess, etc. – is too big to post here – is this something for the action site?????????????? If so, where should I send??
Susie Just a thought from your message. Maybe when contacting the media we reference him as “Manchurian Candidate”? Same for letters to undecided SDs???
Susie…send to me and I’ll figure out how to get it in posting form for the Action Site.
marylandpuma@gmail.com
Thank you TrishfromCanada: I’ve been here everyday since the initial Hillary Clinton Supporters Count Too. Just don’t post much initally, but will start more now.
I am a Hillary supporter. I honestly believe she is the best candidate we have that will actually effectively provide the change we crave in a balanced and fiscal responsible manner. She has the capacity to take on all the stuff that has been hurdled at her over the years and still emerge and bright, powerful compassionate woman who is more than capable to be our President. She has my vote 100 percent.
My opinion on Obama is not based on his color, but the “content of his character”.
My take on Obama is that he is naive, uses rhetorical deception, bought and paid for, pliable by other dominants and merely a puppet candidate, condescending, contemptuous and out of touch with middle America, appeasing, too engaged with Marxist intellectual elites, and I question his patriotism and emotional connection to this country and ALL the people who built it. He is very defensive when challenged on any subject, and he is vague and runs the election process as a personality contest; weak on specifics, strong on rhetoric and demonstrates to me a passive aggressive attitude to just about everything. He is not someone I would want as a acquaintance much less a President with his condescending attitude.
I will vote for McCain over Obama. My vote McCain is frankly based on the fact that I know he has the best interest of this country at heart, even though I disagree with him on most issues. I do not feel that way about Obama. I know he is saying what we all want to hear, but as for me, I just flat out don’t trust him. He will never get my vote..
I am not just angry that Hillary hasn’t gotten the nomination yet, although I am angry at how she has been treated by the DNC and the media. Very angry. I am angry enough to have trashed everything they have sent me this year and will not contribute to them ever again. Frankly, I’ve just left the DNC period. I am angry that the DNC is so willing to put up such a weak and questionable candidate for us, and push him down our throats with questionable judgment and disenfranchisement of two full States. If half of us don’t trust this guy, how are we to expect any Republican or other independents to support him?
I will vote Country over Party every single time.
Also, to anyone out there–I’m willing to contribute some $$ for an ad in any major newspaper–though they are expensive. Can we do it? Can we go in with other blogs?
#239 Alohapuma
Can I put you on the action list to work on that with Dragonfly? She’s out of pocket for the next few days and I’m sure she could use the help.
Lin4Hill
Would you be willing to head up that project? I can add it to our Project List (which will be updated shortly)
Thanks.
#232 Taffy
I will create a database tonight and it will be ready hopefully by tomorrow night. Then we can work on filling in the data.
Hi everyone,
. I just wanted to tell all of you thank you for all of your posts. They are so informative, and cohesive. I am soooo proud of you. This group is so knowledgeable about the issues, hence it truly reflects the seriousness of the PUMA position/movement on this election. (Murphy–thank you a million times).
Maryland Puma – will do
VA Puma – wow – welcome to the site –
Damn but we have great people here – thought we were all supposed to be illiterate inarticulate uneducated ignorant bitter old white & trash – both male & female – somebody sure screwed up – ya think????
WELCOME Nevermore and Vapuma!!!!!!!!!!!!
#201…I like that idea of re-registering as Indies for November. I really do think we need to make the PUMA network as large as possible.
Zephyr~ I’m in Alexandria and I live in an area where lots of DNC’ers live. So with Glee, I put up a McCain poster on my front lawn, right next to Hillary’s. Chuckle. I love the looks! Also plan on putting a sillowette (sp) of a large PUMA on my glass door with PUMA next to it for all to see.
#252 Maryland PUMA
Sorry, I think I jumped ahead of things here, can you put me on the action list to create a database of Obama supporters i.e. govenors etc. I’d love to create this, because I just want to help in some way.
#249 VA PUMA
I agree with you about McCain, and my biggest fear about Obama, cause we don’t really know what he believes in, it changes by the moment, is who is controlling him and the DNC, and fear of the unknown is a very good thing here.
PUMA is on Fox’s Cavuto “Your World” now.
#238 SusieT – what little paragraphs? I didn’t see this. where is this from? i’m guessing that he’s referring to trying to get some new Dems elected to replace some of the retiring republicans. he would never, ever try to get rid of the old dems who are up for re-election, there would be a mutiny so fast our heads would spin. i work in the Senate for the Democratic Caucus and the mission is to protect the incumbent… no party leader could survive a minute if they didn’t do everything in their power to make sure they were protected. My guess is that he’s just talking about trying to pick up the new seats being vacated by republicans. still, it’s another reason to stay focused and be ever diligent about watching what they are doing.
Marylandpuma.
You bet. I’ll email you with contact info.
#238 (Sorry, I meant Susie1945)
MarylandPuma – Don’t know if I have the computer savvy or hardware/software at this time to do something regarding gathering money for an ad–would not want a dime to fall into the wrong hands. I am not as computer brilliant as many of you are–I’m lucky my old dinosaur lets me blog. But if there is something you think I can do–let me know. If you want my personal email, I’ll provide it.
CTKEY be sure to check. Most states don’t allow Indes to vote in primaries. If I lived in MA I would definitely want to be able to vote against Kerry!!!! I have some here I want to vote against in our Aug 15th primary and I can’t do that as an Inde. I think part of the goal of this group should be to get the caucuses removed from the states. It has to be a ballot initiative. It’s too late to submit one for the Colorado ballot in Nov. I’ve already checked. But it is on my to do list to find out how to get it on the 2010 ballot. We need to make all states primary states. I called the Democratic Party 2 months ago and it is decided by each state. So it has to be a state by state action. With all the people meeting up here we could form state groups in caucus states and know we already have supporters to start the grass roots operations. Heaven forbid “he” gets in but if “he” does we will be ready for 2012!
MarylandPuma – perhaps monies would go to the general blogsite?? Then Murphy would appropriate the cost of the ad?
Well, I have made my calls to our “top 10 female senators”. I must say, many of the people who took the calls sounded irritated so I am hopeful that they have received a slew of calls today and will continue to do so!
Please call and tie up their phone lines. I am going to contact ClintonDemocrats to see if we can get fax numbers for these women and tie up their fax machines tomorrow, will post if I am able to get them
ok going home now, work is done for today, but I have a question and I’ll look for the answer here when I get home, am I able to buy a mug and t-shirt? just wondering because of the wording that says a contribution for a mug or t-shirt.
Thanks
Headoverhills – here’s the url – 2nd page – toward the bottom – sounds wierd to me…………
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11191_Page2.html
MarylandPuma–I’ll check back later for an answer. Must go take mum to the store. Ciao
http://www.politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/19/blitzer-when-will-bill-clinton-back-obama-and-what-about-chelsea/
Blitzer: When will Bill Clinton back Obama?
Posted: 02:51 PM ET
From CNN Anchor Wolf Blitzer
Blitzer: How active will Bill Clinton be on the trail for Obama?
WASHINGTON (CNN) – Bill and Hillary Clinton attended the memorial service for Tim Russert at the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts in Washington on Thursday. That was the first time I have seen them since Senator Clinton dropped out of the presidential race and endorsed Barack Obama. She was very enthusiastic that day. It dawned on me yesterday that we still haven’t heard the former President formally endorse Senator Obama. I am sure he will be on the Obama bandwagon openly and energetically fairly soon. But I wonder what’s taking so long. Then again, is it really all that long?
PLS PLS blog there –bill does not need to support this liar -asshole–waffles who blamed him for race card right before south carolina primary just to get black votes —
pls
Trish – if not – let me know – gifts are good…………..
besides – I’m invisible…………………….LOL
Dear Puma Friends,
Below is the message I just sent to John McCain, with a copy to the RNC.
I’m concentrating my efforts in a slightly different direction than many of you today. I want to put daily pressure on Obama to do the weekly town hall meetings that John McCain keeps calling for. The best way to defeat Obama is to let him trip himself up. I think backing him into a corner and forcing him to debate John McCain is the answer.
I sympathize with everyone’s frustrations regarding the sexism and the DNC’s unethical conduct. But I don’t think the DNC, the media, or anyone else really cares. I’ve spent the last two years fighting my own battle against my County’s illegal and bad-faith conduct in a Workers’ Comp claim. I’ve written to every county, state, and federal official I can think of. No one will help me. No one cares. So I’ve become quite jaded in my view of government.
I support all of you in venting your frustration, and I’m glad that you’re writing the letters that you are. But I also hope that some of you will join me in putting pressure on Obama regarding the debates. It may be our best weapon now.
Enjoy …
Dear Senator McCain,
I think you’re letting Senator Obama off the hook far too easily when it comes to the weekly town hall meetings you’ve suggested.
If I were a member of your campaign staff, I’d design a television commercial that goes something like this: It would begin with several video clips of Senator Obama saying “I welcome that debate with John McCain.” Then the unseen narrator would say, “Then why won’t Senator Obama agree to weekly town hall meetings with John McCain? Perhaps he’s afraid of debating John McCain, afraid that voters will see there’s little substance behind the rhetoric. Perhaps Senator Obama is just plain dismissive of voters who want to hear those debates. Perhaps Senator Obama just isn’t a man of his word.”
Then I’d follow with several clips of Obama talking about bipartisanship and how he will reach across the aisle, after which the unseen narrator would say, “Then why won’t Senator Obama reach out across his campaign platform to Senator McCain (and voters nationwide) for the weekly town hall meetings everyone wants to see? Perhaps Senator Obama is not as bipartisan as he would like us to believe. Perhaps Senator Obama just isn’t a man of his word. Is this a man you want for your next President? Vote John McCain.”
http://www.abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=5204062
Jake Tapper has a video link up now to Obama saying in 2006 that public financing helps prevent corruption in government.
We are learning his word is not worth much.
————————————————–
“Just words? Don’t tell me words don’t matter” – Obama
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The audacity of nope – NOBAMA
gosue…barbara boxer has all her office fax numbers listed. google her. haven’t checked on the others yet.
#258 VA PUMA – hey neighbor
Tell me about it (Arlington). I am surrounded. Starting to wonder if they are slipping KoolAid in the water supply…. ! I walked into the local bookstore and was greeted by 9 smug Obamas smiling at me from a display. Practically a shrine. nauseating really.
Trishfromcanada
Sure you are able to buy a shirt or mug. I bought some shirts thru the mail. I haven’t got them yet. I am thinking about buying a mug. Just go to home page and you will find the link on the right side.
#235 MamaPuma on 06.19.08 at 3:39 pm
A suggestion:
I think it would be a good idea to also notify the media once we’ve sent a healthy # of rounds of 1000 reason emails. You can prepare a list of states, towns, not necessarily copies of the indivual emails, just summaries perhaps….(they could be available to media for inspection, but not to be publically released to protect peoples’ privacy).
It’s easy for Pelosi and Dean to ignore they’re being swamped with protests…..but if the media gets a hold of the idea and starts asking them about it in interviews, then two great things happen:
1). The word gets out that we’re making lists too (how nice is that, given the 10 senators little photo op yesterday) and we’ve got A LOT of reasons why we’re against BO so pretty unlikely we’ll be jumping on the Kool-Aid express anytime soon.
2). They can’t deny to their underlings, other Reps. and Senators, DNC people, etc., that there’s a lot of resistence to BO out there and it just might hurt them in their own races and the in general election. We can start expressing how unhappy we are with Sen. Kerry, despite his long-term status as D-Sen-MA – (and how we’re going to work to help opponents of these guys). In Kerry’s case we can also mention we didn’t like his ageist remarks about Sen. McCain, a very able, competent, well-respected and honorable man – trying to imply McCain was senile and losing his marbles was offensive to us and unbecoming a supposedly distinquished Sen like Kerry (we want a new kind of politics – not the same old cheap shots and smear campaigns of the past). Kerry’s comment was an insult to all elderly people. Remember also the AARP is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America and they have one HUGE mailing list. The can protest “Ageism” without taking sides…We all know who’s the target if the civil rights violation is ageism.
If the press starts bringing up that people are protesting his remarks about McCain being senile, he’ll still have to deny that he meant it which still attaches him to the remarks and reflects his hypocrisy. It was a very low, cheap shot Kerry made about McCain. He deserves to be called on it. First they attack Hillary because she’s a woman. Then they go after McCain because he older. I call that despicable.
I’d first release info to media outlets that are remaining a little more professional and unbiased, and then if we contact others we do it later so they’re behind the ball, late to find out what’s happening and late to cover it.
Just an idea…..But I think it would be a good idea that information regarding anything we do that shows organized and concerted effort be provided to third parties, ie. the media, at the right time so it can have the most impact, and so our targets can’t ignore our efforts and sweep them under the rug.
Clinton Supporter on Fox’s Cavuto segment.
Commercial right now, but this lady will be on in a sec.
She says she receives death threats since meeting with McCain.
#10 MissyD77,
Yesterday somebody posted on the thread a link to YouTube clip of a delegate for Hillary. She said that HBOs campaign sent her letters, and emails in which they said that she was now a delegate for HBO. I can only hope that it’s a lie and a rumor that Hillary will release her delegates. I hope that today on the call she’ll tell us to keep going.
BD
This makes for good reading. It is no names voting record. The one I find most interesting is on 5/13/08 he finally voted yes to A bill to provide collective bargaining rights for public safety officers employed by States or their political subdivisions. Now aren’t they part of the union that is donating $250,000 to his campaign?
go have a look:http://obama.senate.gov/votes/index.cfm?start=21
Take a look at his voting record, the ones he did not vote for and the ones he did.
Trishfromcanada
I forgot, you can buy t-shirts or mugs by either credit car or thru the mail by check or money order. The prices are listed.
#221 Dances
Here in my state Calif. it’s not necessary to declare Independent, we have an option called “Decline to State” that means you can vote for whoever you want in ANY election.
#284
Sorry thats credit card or thru the mail!!
Good afternoon PUMAs!
Large dollar hillary donor and supporter on neil cavuto saying she is not going to currently donate to obama and calling him the presumptive nominee and saying anything can happen between now and august!! i’m loving cavuto right now!!
Maryland how about next growl something along the lines of donkeys chasing a cash cow…let your imagination go. Just a thought.
Oh my, I can’t believe THAT woman on Cavuto right now! SHe is NOT one of us. What a waste of air time!
Thanks 58States1. Used to live in Arlington during the Jurassic period. Hope we can meet one day. I plan on staying here with youse guys.
I posted at hcsfjm.com about the letters to the Senators today. I referred them here with specific highlights to post #36 and mystichill’s letter and #214 the list of the contact FAX for these women. I know you will garner support in this endeavor.
I wanted to share these two links with you. Link 1 will show HBOs position on Public Financing from lobbyists in 2007; link 2 will show an article from today where he says that he WILL NOT accept Public Financing.
Liar, liar pants on fire!!!
Link 1: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17043002/
Link 2:
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/19/no-easy-decision-for-obama-on-public-financing/?mod=djemalertNEWS
Enjoy,
BD
now he has a threatened clinton supporter…tune into fox if you are near a tv!
I mean the First woman that spoke on Cavuto.
I’m sure all the people in Ill. are a little put out that noname couldn’t be present and vote for these items.
On the Amendment S.Amdt. 4719 to S.Amdt. 4707 to S. 2284 (Flood Insurance Reform and Modernization Act of 2007)
To provide for the optional purchase of insurance against loss resulting from physical damage to or loss of real property or personal property related thereto located in the United States arising from any flood or windstorm.
On the Cloture Motion S. 2284
An original bill to amend the National Flood Insurance Act of 1968, to restore the financial solvency of the flood insurance fund, and for other purposes.
This not only effects the people of Iowa and Ill. but all the people who suffered from hurricanes in Fl. MS & LA.
WOW WOW WOW – Just watched Barbara Layton – one of Hillary’s biggest funder raisers supporters – she says Hillary suspended not ended – everyone step back & take a deep breath – this thing is not over – cavuto kept pressing – saying you know something – you know something – she just smiled a kinda mona lisa smile & said you know as much as I know – golly dam gee whiz – the energy is back……………………………………
http://www.politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/19/blitzer-when-will-bill-clinton-back-obama-and-what-about-chelsea/
Blitzer: When will Bill Clinton back Obama?
Posted: 02:51 PM ET
From CNN Anchor Wolf Blitzer
PLS PLS blog there –bill does not need to support this liar -asshole–waffles who blamed him for race card right before south carolina primary just to get black votes —
pls
When no name talks about his support for the troops and veterans, ask him why he didn’t vote for this one.
An act to amend title 38, United States Code, to enhance veterans’ insurance and housing benefits, to improve benefits and services for transitioning servicemembers, and for other purposes.
Welcome to all newcomers…the more the merrier!!!
Paula Abeles, you go girl! EXCELLENT.
I pray each day she pulls a Lieberman and leaves Dem party. They don’t deserve her. She would split vote from “him” and McCain and probably get in. And after 8 years in WH she be ready to do her own thing like Bill. That’s part of what makes the McCain group nervous. They know Hillary supporters coming over to him would vanish if she ran against him.
Flo on Neil Cavuto just now was FABULOUS!!!! She’s a former Clinton supporter now for McCain!
Whew! You’ve got to hear her interview! She was dynomite!!!
What a down-to-earth, intelligent, articulate woman she is!
Loved Barbara Leyton’s sly little chuckle….she knows something alright! I just can’t wait to hear what it is!
I think – I really really think – we are making an impression and we are finally getting some publicity – PUMA is not mentioned but by god – someone is making our talking points ———-let’s get that newspaper ad – if we can do one, maybe we can do more – billboards cost around $100,000 – that’s alot of money – don’t think newspaper ads cost that much – I’m willing to do whatever is necessary to help with the ad issue – I’m retired – have more time than money -
I loved the point Paula made when she said, paraphrasing, with all due respect Hillary and Obama may be closer on the issues but McCain and Hillary are closer in ideolgy. How true and a perfect statement to go right to the heart of the issue. Well done!!!!
#294 Susie1945,
But she also said she would support no name if he is the nominee!
wow did you hear those Ladies on Fox?? Great job. We also need to get a letter to Barbara Layton as she is a big Hillary donater. It would be nice if we could get her to see what and who we are all about.
#289 Roxy
I agree with you.
#304 Roxy in cali
She’s not one of us.
thant was great on Cavuto. Way to go Barbara and Paula!
More of this type of media will be great for us
This is what I wrote, what do you guys think?
anonymous June 19th, 2008 4:35 pm ET
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
I hope that President Clinton WILL NEVER back HBO–Hussein Barack Obama–I like it this way more.
HBO trashed President Clinton big time during the primary, and now he wants help. He did exactly the same thing when he was running for Senate in Illinois. He made sure that he kicked Alice Palmer and other candidates off the ballot, and wanted her to help him in return. It doesn’t work that way. He did everything he possibly could to make sure that Hillary will not win the primary. HE DOESN’T DESERVE ANYTHING!!! I HOPE THAT PRESIDENT CLINTON WILL NOT HELP HIM!!!
Anonymous
#305 Roxy in Cali,
How can I get that clip?
BD
I know she said she would back BO but it seems like she’s thinking she won’t have to do that so she feels okay saying that.
did anyone else receive their confirmation for the conference call with Senator Clinton today???
Well maybe we can change her mind. I still say Hillary and Bill are to quiet. More and more media will do it. We need to scare the DNC and i think more media like this will do it.
roxy 313…yes received my code
not me as Hillary dosn’t have my new e-mail addy as i lost my aol for just mentioning NONAME and it was nothing bad either. Weird.
Where can I see what happened on Cavuto? Will it be replayed somewhere?
roxy and queen,
let us know what happens. i didn’t sign up because i’m afraid it’s just about supporting BO and i can’t do that and will be disappointed to hear that. it will be easier to hear it from you guys.
#266 Taffy -Yes, it is up to each state – however, they pass caucus v primary laws at the request of the political parties. That’s why in some states there might be a Democratic primary and a Republican caucus. Ten states hold caucuses, while another seven hold a combination of primaries and caucuses, and the remaining 33 states hold primaries. State legislatures pass laws at the request of the state’s political party on whether to hold primaries or caucuses. In other words, the CA Dem Party asks the state legislature for a primary or caucus law (and determines if it’s a closed or open primary). In the states where one party holds a primary and another a caucus, the party that wants to select delegates by a way than otherwise determined by law must go back to the legislature for a law that permits this. I think this year’s caucuses were especially egregious. Because there was so much interest in the candidates, there was turnout like never before. The caucuses went more smoothly in some states than others. For example, Even though Nevada was a caucus state they had never experienced the kind of interest and enthusiasm and crowds as they did this year. Other states were more organized and able to handle the crowds better. Unfortunately, this may be further evidence that we can accomplish more by working from within the party instead of fleeing from it. Changing the caucus system will only come if the political parties make it happen. Just another reason to get involved at the local central committee level!
roxy 313 – yes – will be on call – approx 15 mins for me I’m CDT
Brooklyn & Roxie – she has to follow party line – she called *61 presumptive nominee – something’s going to happen -
sandipuma,
that is weird because i also lost my aol. it is just under my screenname. my husband and son can still access their e-mail and i have to get mine through them. that is really pretty scary.
sheila- will do! I agree i’m not wanting to hear that either, but felt this is a great opportunity and do want to have that first hand knowledge because goodness knows we cannot rely on the media for fairness right now
Pretty good Anonymous i liked it.
#285 tree
I just recently changed my affiliation to “Decline To State”, and got the following information from the Secty of State about voting in primary elections (CA has a “modified” closed primary system):
If you are a voter who has declined to state an affiliation with a political party, you may be able to vote for a candidate of a specific party in the upcoming June 3, 2008 Statewide Direct Primary. You may request, from your county elections official or at your polling place, the ballot of a political party if authorized by the party’s rules and duly noticed by the Secretary of State.
If you do not request such a ballot, you will be given a nonpartisan ballot, containing only the names of all candidates for nonpartisan offices and measures to be voted upon at the primary election.
I had to specifically request a DTS-Dem ballot for the primary we just had on June 3, or I wouldn’t have been able to vote for Pelosi’s opponent!
I still haven’t gotten my new card in the mail yet. Can’t wait to tear up my old Dem registration and mail it to Howie.
Welcome, VA Puma and Nevermore! Being here is like coming home!
Wish there was some way to get hold of a video of the two women that were just on Cavuto on FOX and post here.
I still haven’t given up on Hillary for this election. My husband thinks I’m crazy, lol.
I have my first meeting this saturday for those who will be discussing Honorable Hillary Clinton and us going to Denver. I want to go to Denver so bad and i will be all healed and raring to go.
#319
We don’t have time to wait for that to happen.
everyone of us on call will be sure to report back ASAP.
no quarter had a pre post up to watch cavuto and said they would be posting video later http://www.noquarterusa.net
queen81, thank you. i agree that it is better to get it firsthand, i should’ve thought of that, but i know i can rely on the truth from you guys so i’ll wait patiently for the update.
Roxy and Queen~ yes, please do share with us what you hear. Also please feel free to share our PUMA identity!
I think if you write to Cavuto they will send it to you.Or call Fox. There should be a way to get it.
#313 Roxy4hill Let us know what Hillary says on the conference call! What time is it? I was on Activate over on Hillary’s site but don’t think I got an email about it.
#310 anonymous on 06.19.08 at 4:37 pm
Excellent, anonymous! I would have added that Alice Palmer was also an African-American woman, (as was the other person in that race, though a man, that BO got rid of before the voters ever had a chance to choose).
Evan Bayh drank the kool aid – Obama is right to drop out of public financing because he has to defend his wife -WTH
#285 Tree – sorry, with all due respect. DTS couldn’t vote (for President) in the Republican primary in California in 2008. Once again, the political parties determine the election rules and Decline-to-State could NOT vote in the Republican primary. DTS could vote for Pres in the Democratic party BUT only if they specifically asked for a Democratic ballot at their polling place. It created a NIGHTMARE because some polling places didn’t know the rules . The Republicans chose to disallow Decline-to-state in 2008 because they didn’t want “outsiders” – those from outside the Republican party crossing over to vote for President. They felt that only registered Republicans should get to choose their presidential nominee so they refused to allow Decline-to-state to vote. Now, that was only for the 2008 primary (and believe me, it will probably be different for the next primary season, primary rules change faster than we can keep up with them!) only for the primary. Anyone can vote for anyone in the General.
Bayh says we have ‘bruised feelings’ because of a long hard fought campaign and we just need to heal and then “we will fall in line” & support *61 – we gotta get the message out folks – NO WE WON’T…………….
I think i will write Cavuto a letter and dear Evan too lol
Susie1949 Amen! Bayh is a puppet on a dirty string!
susie1945, he didn’t actually say fall in line did he? tell me he didn’t. i walked away whenthey said he’d be on becaue i knew he’d say something like that and i’m sick of hearing it. they will see come november that we didn’t fall in line!
Have you seen NoName’s first GE ad
http://www.politico.com
“Obama releases first GE ad”
My, my what a saint he be!!
anonymous
in addition to what #333 sandipuma said re: the clip it will be probably be youtube’d soon. The interviews just took place….I’m sure somebody’s going to do a video of it so I expect there’ll be a link for it somewhere soon.
Write to Evan Bayh i sure am
i live in missouri where claire mccaskill is and i couldn’t believe it the day i heard her say that. i was floored! i actually helped vote her into office. ugh. well, needless to say i won’t be helping her again.
Can someone please dig up a valid email address for Senator Obama – we have some gifts for him. (our letters!) We have the snail mail addy.
Please email to mamapumamass@AOL.COM. (LOL)
Thanks!
I got nothing on a Hillary conference call! Usually I’m on a list if there is one. What happened? Help!!!
YES – THAT IS WHAT HE SAID…………………..sorry – no caps – jerks – aa of then – used to like him to – soubded awfully condesceding to me
Be back in a bit i have some letters to write. We need to tell them We will never jump on baord the NoName ship.
I’m on hold right now
Taffy- had to pre register for a code
Goandersen – sorry if you responded to me – could not find anything – too many different threads and post to look – send me an email if you would please again – sorry to put more work on you – and were you the one poster that asked about the information that seemed to be gone on Larry Sinclair yesterday?? Just go into Google type: Larry Sinclair – and the entire CitizenWells article will appear for your reading pleasure – sorry if you responded – I just could not find it anywhere.
Drac
waiting for people for call
isnt’ this music quaint susie?
Never got anything to preregister
we are on hold waiting patiently…..
ugh
prefer a little jazz
maybe not room for all 18 million of us??? Very disappointed. Been invited to several calls when I was doing activate.
i know the music not so much……….
taffy – here
Thursday, June 19
5:00pm ET
Call with National Women’s Finance Council
Participant Dial-in: 877-397-0298
Passcode: 9574784
Yes, me too Taffy. I didn’t know about it till now. Would have taken the day off just for that! Oh, I forgot, I already did! chuckle , but sadly, no call invitation
Maryland if you google him you can get fax numbers for all his offices. That should be fun
still waiting…blah
taffy,
when i went and checked in on her site there was the option for anyone to sign up. i assumed it was for everyone who wanted to. i didn’t get a seperate e-mail.
Queenie;
doesn’t he sound like he’s about 16?
BTW – Just saw a piece on FOX re: Chris Dodd, former failed presidential wannabe, where he’s involved in the Countrywide mortgages sweetheart deals (I think he had to resign from a financial committee because of it) and that Nancy Pelosi is under pressure (as Speaker of the the House) to begin an investigation of these shady deals. Let’s see if she does it. If she weasels out of investigating….hmm. Well, what does that say about integrity in govt?
Also, Dodd, D-CT, came out and supported BO shortly after dropping out. Was he promised protection from being investigated for his involvement in Countrywide sweetheart deals?
I’ve often wondered why some of these guys rolled over to BO so fast and so strong. I wondered what kind of carrot (or stick) he was holding over their heads.
I’m still trying to figure out what Bill Richardson (NM) weakness was. He looked so uncomfortable, nervous and sweaty whenever asked about stabbing Hillary in the back.
you should hurry to join the call not sure how many callers
TY SUSIE!!!!!
LOL susie…he sure does…i’m 27 and he makes me sound old!
For talking points, go to http://www.thenation.com. Search for “Obama’s Chicago Boys”. Its an article by Naomi Klein. Interesting article about Obama’s economic policy challenges such as choosing Jason Furman to head his economic team. Remember when O gave Senator Clinton a bad time about being on the Wal-Mart board? Guess what? Furman is one of Wal-Mart’s staunch defenders. Wow, O is in over his head. Read about others in his inside group. Most of the Nation is a “progressive” bent and fairly pro O, but occasionally an article tells the truth from the other side.
Needed all that info
or 
not sure which
I don’t go to her web site much. Trolls are turning into crows there. Horrible scene
VA PUMA #198
Love the letter but can only afford to donate to one group, unfortunately. I’d love to see us do something like that!
oh jeez – I’m 63 so he really sounds young to me – one of those mamers – mam this & mam that
HERE YOU ARE GET!!!!! STIRRED UP !!!!!
Tracy Chapman – Revolution (Live)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTyAZTvLfAM&NR=1
GET YOUR TENTS TOGETHER…AND COME ON TO DENVER
THERE’S KOA ALL AROUND & the FORREST TOO!!!
”I am aware that many object to the severity of my language; but is there not cause for severity? I will be as harsh as truth, and as uncompromising as justice . . . I am in earnest — I will not equivocate — I will not excuse — I will not retreat a single inch — and I will be heard!” William Lloyd Garrison.
LET’S MARCH TO A GATHERING AT DENVER……
YOU WANT HELP ….
MURPHY ! MURPHY !.. please set up a SITE under
PUMA PAC SITE where we can ck for rides & org. groups
….”DEMOCRACY RETREAT”….
here we go!!!!
Bluesgal
The local newspaper called me to verify my letter so I’m assuming that it will appear sometime early next week. I’ll keep you informed.
#378 mayor0102 on 06.19.08 at 5:11 pm
Way to go, mayor!
yeah hillary on call
Brooklyn I’ve wondered too because he had Bill at his house 2 weeks earlier to watch the super bowl. Was still supporting her at that time.
wow hillary live!!!
she is restating that she received more votes then any candidate in history
she wants us to support *61
Just got home from work, I’m working on the Oprah project now. I left a flier at the bank of america today and one at my water utility. I hope Hillary dosn’t release her del. I hope it’s only a rumor. We need to send her notes or something.
she doesn’t seem too happy saying it
Where’s Hillary speaking?
What rumor?
no she doesn’t
sorry hillary,
love ya but i can’t do that.
Welcome Nevermore and VAPUMA. Stay and enjoy the intelligent conversation and action items on this website. I now have to give myself action items for myself…such as balance the checkbook for May. Yup, still haven’t done that one yet. As I told my husband, he is in charge of maintaining the house, the PUMAs are busy saving the country. I can’t be bothered with dusting, laundry, etc.
can’t support him
yeah, he is not the choice that’s best for me and my life
indypuma,
she is on a conference call right now and some of our pumas are on it and filling us in.
Nobama!!!
she is requesting help to pay down campaign debt
she wants help on her campaign debt
she says staff will contact us for ideas and feelings on how to pay down debt and move foward
I doubt she is happy. She is being forced into this. We know what she feels about Obama from the campaign trail. I am sure someone is twisting her arm!! She knows she got the most votes!! I have this picture of Donna Brazille and Howard Dean standing over her telling her what to say. Obama probably has put his guys out there too. No other candidate has been so pressured. Obama is failing and they are blaming Hillary!!
call over
I am on the call!!! Typing as she is talking
A thanks to all women from Hillary for all the work for her campaign. “Its just beginning”
Hillary: Thank you to all. We broke alot of barriers. Beyond thrilled to be the first woman to ever “to win a Presidential primary.” On saturday we are going to work to ensure victory for the Dem Party. Fight hard for Obama. I intend to take all my energy to work for Obama. I hope you will join me in working in behalf of Obama. We,ve got to elect a democratic president. Some of you and I am concerned about what happened in the primary: attitudes toward women..I will continue to fight against this and will continue to bring it to light. We are going to address that because it is not right and we are going to address that. What can you do to help? Help Obama and give me money for my campaign. Need to pay our vendors. I would appreciate your help so I can be free to work for Obama and issues I am concerned about. Just wanted to take this opportunity to thank each of you. Had finest and bravest women I know. What we stood for and what I campaigned for will come.
pre-recorded no questions allowed
Okay – did she give up or were those last statements relating to the convention???????
#368
I keep saying that we need to “throw out” the Democrats and Republicans in Congress and start anew. Also, we need to get some new people who are not beholden to the Party in every way. We need representation of the people, for the people and by the people, not from people we see 2 or 3 times a year. Our local congressional representative use to come home every week, but now we see him at congressional break only. He took off for the Galuapagus Islands this last week with some other Congressional folks to study global warming. There have been many letters to the editor about this gig. In fact he supported the troops staying in Iraq during this last surge. They all speak an excellent story for two or three years and then they start to change. They become less and less related to communities in their areas/districts and more and more attached to Washington politics. When they do come to our communities, they seek out only the elected officials, chambers, or business people. Very seldom to see a Senator hold a town meeting of any sort. House members tend to come and hold meetings witht he public,however, it becomes more limited the longer they stay in WA D.C.
didn’t sound like the Hillary I know. Also sounded liked a taped message. On Activate calls there was always some noise in the background. Nothing on this one.
4hillinca,
i don’t know why they don’t understand that it makes us even agrier to put her out there to do his job. at least it makes me angrier, i assume most of the rest of us too.
I think Richardson was just a disloyal opportunist who thought he would get the VP nod if he came out early for Precious. Probably told Precious he could deliver the Hispanic vote. Surprise!! Precious is just like a black widow spider who eats/kills its partners. Promises whatever he needs to at the time to get what he wants. Of all the disloyal Hillary supporters, I think I despise him the most. Joke’s on him however. No way they’ll ever give him the VP nod.
#378mayor0102 Alright! Be sure to give us the link to your letter when it hits the newspaper. And, of course, the following week if you get any responses.
Said if in New york or Washington to call and maybe get together with her so she can thank personally.
John or Jonathan will be in contact with us – I’ve got lots of questions for him – first of all, how much have we contributed toward the debt – there are all kinds of Hillary websites & Heidi Liu is determined to pay off her debt – is she going forward – didn’t say anything about giving up her dream of being prez especially at the end of the call or am I reading things I want to hear so badly
she did mention if we were going to be in NY or DC to let her know so she could thank us personally…perhaps we need to take her up on that and have a little east coast PUMA field trip
Dear Hillary, I will not follow you there.
Va PUMA
Thanks for giving us the update with the conference call. Hillary is saying what she has to now. But it doesn’t change my stand on the issues before us.
queen81, that sounds like a great idea. a field trip.
I’m ready for a field trip
Not sure what she meant…. the call was not very revealing to her future plans.
thank you everyone for updating us.
webfoot
Will do!
It makes me real angry and all the more determined to make sure Obama is not elected and back Hillary at the convention. I will donate and I will continue working on her behalf however I will not vote for Obama. Why does everyone think we are “dumb” people. Don’t they understand that the DNC created this. Hillary did get more votes than any other candidate. I will not be put off to the side like an old pair of shoes. I am just angry now and no other candidate has been forced into doing what Hillary is being forced to do. I think the DNC is worried. Sorry if I rambled but…
Said her staff going to be reaching out to us to help retire debt. My first comment is going to be change the bank fund to “retire the debt” I won’t send money to Hillary website cause I don’t trust “he” can’t get his mitts on it. She definitely being pressured to back “him” Maybe he realized she didn’t do as much as he thought in her speech earlier. Chicago politics at work again!
Thank you VA PUMA for typing her call for those of us who aren’t on the call.
Senator Clinton, I will help you to bring down your debt–that’s a promise. Uhhh, as for helping that guy…I say Never. He has his rich latte liberal Dems, they can cut arugala out of their diet and donate that money to their prince.
No she did not say she was giving up. Nothing about releasing delegates. Just back Sen. Then talks about we need a Dem in WH And she was shocked at the treatment towards women.
never,ever,ever,ever will i help him and in fact i will do everything i can to stop him.
Can’t help myself. One of those gotta laugh about it days… feel free to sing along LOL
Proud to be a Nobamican
Cause at last I know I’m free…
From empty political rhetoric
And MSNBC
So I’ll proudly stand up and cast my vote
For someone who can do the job
Not because I’m bitter, dumb or white,
Downscale or named Joe Bob
Let the pundits keep on drooling
(Tho I wish they’d get a room)
I’m more concerned with resumes
And avoiding utter doom
You can have your koolaid, hope™ and change
And claims you’ll save the day
The truth is this Messiah rose
The old Chicago way!
Proud to be a Nobamican
Cause at last I know I’m free…
From the shady kind of back room deals
That reek of Tammany….
So I’ll loudly stand up, take my vote,
And give the DNC the shaft.
May they fare as well
as in 1912……
Did Roosevelt and Taft!
sheila7, same here…can’t go there, cannot support him in any way! My feeling is she was pressured. The fact she didn’t mention releasing delegates is a good thing.
If the Jon is the one who organized her activate system I still have his email at Hillary’s website.
58states1,
thanks for the cheer. that is pretty good.
i believe he said his name was jonathan mans
And on a not-so-lighter note… One of my many notes to the DNC:
Dear Democratic Party,
Please listen closely:
You cannot discount me, ignore me, belittle me,
insult me and everything I believe in….
and then take my vote for granted. Show the
world you haven’t forgotten how to
practice what you preach.
You can listen to me now or in November.
Your call.
Sincerely,
Hillary Supporter # 17,119,236
well the good thing is she didn’t say she was releasing delegates, that’s what i was afraid of. i have to go for now, the laundry is piling up but i’ll be back later. have a good evening everyone.
58States1~ how talented. You could easily send that to Arlington and Alexandria Gazette for letters to the editor. You are terrific!!
RICHARDSON DOSE NOT OWN US !!!!
‘Probably told Precious he could deliver the Hispanic vote”….this is not truth !!!
WE ARE GETTING OBAMA BUMPER STICKERS and puting a Red circle..with a line thur the circle….OUT HERE in NM
#400VAPUMA thanks for typing as you were listening to Hillary’s speech. I think Hillary realizes that there are many of us that are not going to fall in line. She recognizes that our stance is not solely because she is not the presumptive nominee at this time. She recognizes that we are fighting the discrimination shown against a woman running for the position of president of the United States of America. The last sentence in VAPUMAs post shows she understands. If Hillary had been working in the private sector, the military, or as a civil employee in the government, an EEO complaint would have been slapped on all the men making these comments about her so fast that they would still be reeling since gender is one of the protected categories under the EEO laws. Hillary knows what she is doing. Her speech does not worry me. In addition to being a lawyer, she is intelligent, has worked with the men in the political scene for a long time, and knows to not reveal her strategy before it is time…if she plays poker she is probably REALLY good at it.
goandersen i don’t know if you came over herre but it starts around 383.
Not sure why people seem so intent on stating that we need a Democrat in the WH. We need the right PERSON in the WH. The only Democrat I want in the WH is Hillary. Otherwise, we need the Republican in the WH this time (McCain).
I’m voting for the right PERSON, not the Party.
NOBama NOVP NOUnity
Hi everyone! I have been reading the blogs and the articles – great job all!! Thank you all for the other sites listed too. Its great we are keeping in touch. I heard that Whoopi said something that left everyone speechless when M. Obama was on the show yesterday does anyone know what she said?
I would like to introduce everyone to another Puma friendly (anti-Obama) site called
http://www.obama-wire.com
Cheers
Well – just call me little mary sunshine because I refuse to believe that Hillary is abdicating anything to that piece of shit (sorry) & will be at the convention and she will get the required number of delegates – pledged delegates can change their minds also & maybe some of the early ones are suffering buyer remorse – can add a new label to him now – hypocrit – what the hell is he going do – hire a private army to protect MO with all the money he’s going to get from his internet donors? His money is coming from corporations – strong arm tactics again – aaaghhhh……..mary sunshine just said f*k u *61 & may your days be lousy
pumaindy~ exactly, and very well put. Country before Party.
#387 IndyPUMA
Hillary will be on conference call in 15 minutes. That’s the only speech that I know of. Hope you’ll be there.
BD
#432 Webfoot,
needed your perspective…thank you.
She always said that “nobody speaks for me, but me.” I am heading over to give her $$$. I think there is some rule about retiring her debt within a certain time period. Can’t remember exactly.
#434 pumaindy
When HRC says we need a Democrat in the White House, I don’t think she means No Name. Really, I don’t.
Let’s keep our focus. Priorities: SuperD’s, Press Releases, reaching HRC supporters who are not online.
Let’s Rock It!
#441 headoverhills
before the Convention.
$$$$$$$$$$$Contribute$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Reply to #69 – Battle for the Hill
The is the text under picture #4 you refer to:
Obama has been dogged by rumors throughout his campaign that he’s a Muslim. His Kenyan grandfather was a Muslim convert, and his father — with whom he’s seen above — was Muslim by birth, but Obama said he was an agnostic. Obama, who was raised by his American mother and maternal grandparents, is a Christian.
I think it’s saying Obama said his father was an agnostic.
Pumas – I also believe that Hillary’s staff has been surfing, has heard the mentions from the talking heads, seen the info on her website and they know, they know, how many of us are still out here fighting the fight & will not give up on her – I think that was also when she saw the nasty, nasty, stuff regarding all women not just her – she sounded kinda stunned when she mentioned that on the call – I don’t think people really realize how awful the majority of *61s supporters really are …………she also said she is going to address this issue -wonder if her female senate colleagues will share the letters with her?????????????????????
#234Brooklynny-Thank you for sharing the Rendell interview. I could just picture him being approached with the Kool Aid packets. Love it!
Denver
I checked out fares from SF to Denver on Amtrak, only #192 round trip. Saves gas.
Check your local Amtrak
We all need to make reservations if going by what ever means.
#381 Taffy on 06.19.08 at 5:12 pm; #406 NeverMore on 06.19.08 at 5:22 pm
He assured Bill he would support her and every time I saw him interviewed and questioned about going back on his word to Bill he looked so uncomfortable, nervous, sweaty – I couldn’t help thinking he looked like a guy that had done something he himself was ashamed of. If defending a decision like that makes you sweat so much, it means you did something you HAD to do, not that you “wanted” to do. I think it had more to it than just wanting/being promised the VP job. They held something over his head that put him in an impossible no-win situation, I think. I don’t believe a man like him would have sold out just for the VP job. Up to then he had a pretty impressive reputation and in the debates he sometimes was the only one of the losing wannabes that acted like a grown-up.
I think it’s much more sinister than just a bribe for VP. I just don’t know exactly what it is. Yet.
All these tactics we’re seeing in the OB campaign remind me of mob shake-downs, Chicago-style.
OK people…I pray no trolls here. I’ve written this to McCain camp and called Hillary’s office but never put into public. Remember there are 2 candidates who have not released their delegates. One is now a kool aid drinker when he said he wouldn’t endorse. They were both friends of his. So we get to the convention, the SDs have the right to dismiss potential nominees and select their own choice. So “he” releases his delegates to back kool aid drinker. And if that choice becomes kool aid drinker with #61 as VP? Everyone needs to consider this seriously and search their hearts for what they would do. I’m putting it out there now so if it comes to pass it’s not a shock. I personally will still vote McCain. I won’t be used twice. But kool aid drinker is mighty popular and would get Republicans as well. I afraid Hillary is being forced to make her choice between the two and the results if she doesn’t back “him”. She will be seen by EVERYONE as the greatest divider of all time. Think on this carefully!!!
#118 cosmeta wrote at 1:32 asking about the Credentials committee vs Bylaws committee members
here’s a link that might answer your question
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/lowdown_on_credentials_committ.php
#446 webfoot on 06.19.08 at 5:53 pm
Yeah, he seemed pretty amused (in a kind of embarassed way) by it….like he wasn’t surprised and probably would have done it himself if he was in our shoes.
My pleasure.
http://www.dncmonopoly.com/
Just sent some hillary “money” via this website to Barak.
Here’s my note to O-con man.
Barry, sweetie. I hope this money will help you toward buying the White House. I know money is tight with the DNC these days, especially toward your crowning ceremony in Denver. I’ll be sending your party some of this money as well. I’ll see you in Denver. I’ll be standing outside the convention center with fellow democracy-loving-non-kool-aid-drinking-people telling others why I will never fall in line and vote for you. Good luck in November.
PS Not sure if you know, the GE won’t be caucuses.
Sincerely,
Vanessa
PUMA ex Democrat
How many people have they pushed out there now, to get us to jump on the band wagon? I think they believe their own (mistaken) garbage about us being uneducated therefore we will blindly follow anything anyone tells us to do and (they think) we cannot possibly think for ourselves. Well, Hillary we would love to have followed if you were the chosen one, but we do know you are more intelligent than the other side, and you know we will only do what (we feel) to be the right thing for our country… and that would be NO OBAMA!!!!
Regarding Hillary’s call:
VA Puma – was that last line a direct quote or paraphrase? If was direct quote, the lady in the pantsuit ain’t done yet.
If you read this by itself, outside of the context of her blathering about him, what would you think?
“What we stood for and what I campaigned for will come.”
I’m going over to give Hillary a few more dollars, I hope she is goingto tell him her debt is paid and she’ll see him at the convention !
This is what was sent to me when I decided to go Independent.
From
Monique “NIKI” Perez
Kern County Elections Division
In a General Election (as in the upcoming in November), a person can vote for any candidate they would like to choose, regardless of their party affiliation. So, you would not necessarily have to re-register if you wanted to select a candidate other than one from the Dem Party in the General Election.
This is different than a Primary Election (like we had in Feb., and earlier this month), where the specific parties are choosing their candidates to represent their party in a future election. In a Primary, you must vote only for candiates who are affliliated with the party you have chosen to affiliate yourself with. The exception to this would be the “Non-Partisan” or “Decline to State” Voter. If someone “Declines to state” their political party affiliation when they have registered, in a Primary Election, they may choose to vote on a crossover ballot since certain parties open up their Primaries to people who have not chosen to affiliate themselves with a political party. For example, if I was a “Decline to State” voter, I would have had the opportunity to “crossover” to a Dem, Rep, or American Indep ballot for the June Primary, since those parties opened up their voting for the particular election. If I did not choose to vote on a crossover ballot, I would have recieved a Non-Partisan ballot, which would have only listed the measures and non-partisan offices (such as Judge).
Also, when a person decides to register as what people traditionally think of as “INDEPENDENT”, they are processed as being a “DECLINE TO STATE” or Non-Partisan voter. This is different than choosing an affiliation with the American Independent political party.
You must re-register whenever you change your residence address, party affiliation, or name. In order for you to be on file with the changes in effect in time for the Nov. 8th General Election. Postmarked no later than Oct.20th.
Feel free to call or email me.
perezm@co.kern.ca.us
(661) 868-3712——–direct line.
Evening Post up.
Email marylandpuma@gmail.com for today’s Daily Growl if you havent already.
Take it upstairs!
#442 goanderson
I surely do hope that you are right on the money with this comment. That’s where my head and heart is also.
GO HILLARY!
P.S. I am waiting for a return call from Hillary Clinton for President assuring me that my donation will go to pay off her debt and ONLY her debt. No $$ for BO. I will contribute once I have that assurance.
Post #423
That ditty is amazing … real catchy … I like the beat. That’s a keeper.
Thank you. Made my evening
sorry hillary i will not support obama ever, ever, ever. it has to be you or mccain.
Would it help to cc Hillary’s campaign office on all of the letters we are sending. You can bet that the politicians who are BO supporters aren’t sharing.
Taffy~ I don’t understand
#449 Taffy on 06.19.08 at 5:55 pm
I’m kind of lost Taffy….Trying to remember which candidates didn’t release their dels. Are you saying he’s going to put on the ticket one of the former candidates who’s popular w/Dems & Repubs to try to sway people to his side in the general? Trying to capture moderate Rep. vote, instead of Hillary’s people?
#97 Lin4
I think your letter expresses very much the way I feel and if you would not mind, I would like to use it to send to the senators as well – and perhaps others who I feel fit the bill.
Thanks -
GROWL POWER
This is Hillary’s campaign office information. I had concerns once and called and the staff was extremely helpful.
Hillary Clinton for President
4420 North Fairfax Drive
Arlington, VA 22203
Headquarters: 703.469.2008
Fax: 703.962.8600
If I remember correctly, HRC.com would have one huge donation day. How would everyone feel about one of our daily growls next week to be a massive coordinated effort of all pumas (including justsaynodeal) to donate to help retire her debt?
Any ideas on how to do that – can we still use HRC.com? And it won’t go to *61?
Let me know what you know! LOL
I sent a funny Thank you card and a check for $44 to Hillary today. I printed off the card to Oprah. I’m sitting here going back and forth between Fox and CNN.
Everytime they talk about BO I change to the other. LOL. GOANDERSON: where was that train fare from? Did anyone else hear the GOP are asking Pelosi to investigate Dodd and several others that were instrumental in the CountryWide buyout and have rec’d incredibly low mortgage rates? Dodd says he didn’t realize 4.5% showed favoritism. Pelosi said she would look into it, but other things are more important. Like steriods in baseball players.
#466 Maryland PUMA
I’m in if all $$ go to Hillary.
Marylandpuma~ that is an exact line except for “to pass” after will come needs to be added.
What I really loved was the quote “Beyond thrilled to be the first woman to ever to win a Presidential primary.”
Her tone was flat when speaking of supporting Obama. Actually generally flat all over except when talking about women and their roles, aspiations and thanking us all. I got the distinct impression she was reading and doing a token assignment except for asking for money. I’m wondering what she would do if her debt was paid off. I just had the feeling she was standing in front of something she did not want us to see yet. I certainly hope so.
To spell it out Edwards is still on the ticket. Too much pressure on Obama they go for 16 years in WH…Edwards 8 then *61!!!!!! Ends talk of race and gender. Smiley boy wows everybody. DNC becomes good guys..look we listened and took race and gender out of the picture. So the question becomes, will you support Edwards if it comes to pass? NOT ME!!!!! Hillary or McCain, period. End of discussion. I don’t trust DNC and this is a very viable way to get out of this situation, keep #61 in picture, and throw Republicans a curve ball. That’s why I only wrote Hillary and McCain’s camp and never put out. It’s like a huge chess game where you have to figure strategy out ahead of time just in case.
#442 goandersen on 06.19.08 at 5:50 pm; #434 pumaindy
I agree with you, goandersen. We need a Dem. But we need a Dem, if and only if, that Dem is her. As she once told us herself, “She’s our girl.”
Aside from her, I’ll take the guy who’ll be home in America, that is, waiting to take that call at 3 AM, or at any other time, for that matter. You know, that guy who’s older than dirt and has more scars than Dracula (to quote his own words). 
and proud of it!
Just spoke to a staffer at Hillary for President and he stated yes the money goes to Senator Clinton if we continue to make contributions on her website.
#471
I don’t think Hil is ready to throw in the towel yet, no matter what she might have overtly said on the call. NO way. Maybe if her debt is retired, she’ll have more power to speak and act independently. The only thing is we HAVE to make sure whatever we donate to pay off her debt goes TO HER AND ONLY HER! That’s the dilemma. I’m really wary of claims by her site or on the phone with Howard and Nancy standing over her head with a knife or a gun…..that contributing via the Web site or whatever is going to go to her and not the DNC, who will then give it to OB.
MAYOR0102
Great!!!!!!!! Thanky you! I’ll be watching!!!!!
#423 58states1
LOL that was too funny, loved it!
#437 Susie1945
Well put Ms Susie Sunshine!
The Federal laws are fairly straightforward. If you donate the money to Hillary, it won’t be stolen and given to BO. He can’t have her donations, no matter how much he might want them. I heard that he is trying to raise money to help her retire her debt. Is that true? I’d rather if WE retired her debt so that she isn’t beholden to him to get this thing paid off.
#378Mayor0102
#474 Sorry, should say, “Great!!!!!!Thank you! I’ll be watching.
Hey you guys Muphy said there is a new post upstairs I’ve been there awhile where are you all?
Hi PUMAs
Just got of the phone with Hillary. She was incredible as always. I couldn’t hold my emotions towards the end of the call and I yelled YAHOO! into he phone. I felt so stupid. I also did something really bad. I feel so guilty. I put Hillary on the speaker phone and recorded it on my tape recorder. Now I WILL HAVE IT FOREVER.
BD
Crossed the 300,000 visit mark today.
Way to go Pumas!
There’s a new post up that may get your blood boiling.
Feel free to repost comments from here, and
bring it upstairs!
Let’s go upstairs everybody……………..need the exercise…..:)
#470 Taffy on 06.19.08 at 6:13 pm
It’s Hillary or McCain for me too. Don’t even have to give it a second thought. Edwards did nothing for me in the debates and in his campaigning. Not a thing.
I personally don’t think he’s too popular with even moderate Repubs. He’s too “populist.” He may be popular in industrial states with big job losses, etc., but (I think anyway) what he gains w/Edwards in states like PA and OH, he’s going to lose in others.
I’m not going for Obama no matter who he puts on the ticket with himself. Mother Teresa or Jesus Christ in the flesh and blood still wouldn’t do it for me.
Response to Taffy
With all due respect, Senator Obama is responsible for his own campaign. He has the money, organization, the media, and the party backing him. Despite this tremendous advantage this race between *61 and McCain is very close.
Blaming Senator Clinton for the woes of *61 has been a favorite tactic of his supporters. Where in the world is the leadership in this country to stand up against this fake candidate?
#278 58states1
I miss Arlington, I was born and raised there. Moved down to NC (wilmington) a couple years ago from Fairfax. So its true, its become Obamaland? That depresses me. I know my democratic friends who work for DOD and Homeland Sec. are afraid to have BO as president. But they are not allowed to publically support anyone.
Are you north or south Arl?
VA PUMA
Welcome from a Arlingtonian (who lives in NC now)
Welcome aboard!
#464 gordana- Go for it. I pray I wasn’t speaking for myself, so feel free to use it. Thanks.
Fox just said we are “flocking” back to the party. Only 11% voting McCain now, we are not as angry as we were. I dont see any change with the people I am speaking with, anyone else?
#488 hillfan4mccain on 06.19.08 at 7:18 pm
I sure don’t. Don’t worry what they’re saying….just keep doing our thing, onward kitties.
Btw, who on fox said that? not all anchors/commentators there are equal….and it does make a more intersesting story if it’s all over the map, up, down, up….etc.
Just checking in with my PUMA to do list.
I wrote 5 uncommitted superdelegates in CA and emailed my letters this afternoon. I have 10 more to go.
hillfan4mccain
Fox is owned by Rupert Murdoch, and he has endorsed *61. So the dynamics of the political and media structure is hard to sort out. My belief is, many people are not following this race as closely as we are. They are totally in the dark about the inexperience of *61 and corruption that took place during the primary campaign.
Heading upstairs… I’m catching on….
Thanks guys, glad you enjoyed my musical moment
I was so depressed after the final votes, and “the speech”… I have been almost giddy since finding that I am not alone out there. That we’re pissed off and doing something about it. Love it!!
Work has been insane so I haven’t been able to pitch in as much as I would like, but I will as time allows. I do a lot of graphic work and am happy to donate time and effort to The Cause. I have access to software and am looking into some royalty-free images and extended licensing. There’s a fabulous fabulous running puma photo object I’ve got my eye on if I can just sort out the details.
ANYway… thanks again! Onward and upward!
Purrs and Grrs!
Oh yes– I’m North – aka Orange Line
58states1
I’m a north arlingtonian. Guess only born Arlingtonians ask north or south anymore. haha It used to be the question of the day.
Welcome
Hannity just said 25 t0 30 % of Clinton voters will vote for Mccain
#493 mijabsnji on 06.19.08 at 10:00 pm
I love Hannity
Never thought I’d hear myself say that…
Hot off the Press….New Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVSAPNmrvlk
I have created a blog to disseminate names. links of groups, like PUMAPAC.
http://hillaryheads.blogspot.com/
I will moderate comments but have to go to work now.
Later ladies and gentlemen.
PS just saw a commentator on MSNBC comment on how many discontented Hillary supporters there are out there.
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