DAILY TALKING POINT, via riverdaughter: “BARACK OBAMA DID NOT RUN A BRILLIANT WINNING CAMPAIGN. HE WAS CARRIED ACROSS THE FINISH LINE BY HIS FRIENDS.” Blog it Pumas, blog it!
UPDATE: 6/14/08 at 11:22am: This may send you back to last night’s liquor cabinet Pumas. This morning the Great Orange Satan calls for our murder. Oh yeah, they also call us “shit.” Stay classy Obamabots, stay classy.
UPDATE 6/14/08 at 12:21pm: “Obama’s Bump Turns Into a Slump” according to Gallup.
UPDATE 6/14/08 at 5:15pm: FLYERS, FLYERS, FLYERS! Please send an email to marylandpuma@gmail.com and/or dcinvegas@gmail.com for BEAUTIFUL new Puma PAC flyers. Challenge yourself to distribute 50 flyers in public places this gorgeous weekend. We have some really talented graphic artists in our ranks. A huge thank you to them for all their work.
Well gals and guys, Friday night is over and Saturday is here. Share about your Friday night — what did you did you do, with whom did you argue and why? Did you win the argument or walk away frustrated and sad? Did something happen that you wish hadn’t? This is our Hangover Saturday morning thread. Kvetch, coffee klatch and recover from the opening inning of the weekend.
Have you ever gotten into an argument about this election with someone you care about? A family member, co-worker, or neighbor? Someone whose opinion you wanted to change? Or perhaps you didn’t care too much about changing their mind, but just wanted to be treated with enough respect to be listened to. Were your opinions treated with disdain, dismissed, or even distorted so as to make you look like a racist, a bore, or a fool? This is the place to vent about those arguments. I’ve spoken with SO many people who came away from flare-ups like that disheartened, embarrassed, and angry. Let us know what happened when you argued with people about why Hillary was the better candidate, and if you’ve learned any tricks the last six months about how to either avoid or WIN arguments like that.
And somebody get me some more damn coffee!
And one more thing, Buy a tshirt and mug! We’re going to need bucks to fight this sort of thing.
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I did have an argument on Thursday with a good friend, coworker of mine. He was for Hillary and then with BO the presumed nominee he said you have to vote democrat because they will take care of us. I showed him some things about Obama from legitimate news papers and clips of Obama, etc. He decided he would not vote this fall. Then on Thursday, he said that a good friend of his that he has known way longer than me told him that I am making things up. That anyone can make up newspaper articles on the internet (make up newspaper info on their web site????) and cut and edit Barack on you tube to make him say anything you want. So anyway, he has decided that I am crazy and obsessed and Obama is a nice guy because his friend says so and he will vote for BO in the fall. I told him that we truly cannot be friends anymore if he thinks that of me. Yesterday I did email apologize to him because I have never told anyone how to vote before and it is his right to vote his conscience. What I did invite him to do was, since he thinks I am so wrong, investigate BO himself and then send me whatever he can find real evidence that BO is really a nice guy and all the Chicago corruption, etc has just been a misunderstanding because when I started out I was really hoping to find that, but instead I just more and more found BO is a very bad person. So I invited him to enlighten me with his truth or let’s not talk about this anymore.
Someone else I love is blind to the reality of Obama and I just don’t know how to deal with it. I am not sure how to keep the relationship going through this because we were strong dems together and talked politics and news alot!! Now of course it is awkward and it’s hard to find things to talk about and I find myself trying to avoid him, as much as I love him. Although once I did tell him, “There is nothing that says you are more right than I am.” How are you guys handling this stuff? Does anyone else have a boyfriend/girlfriend or spouse who absolutely thinks we’re all crazy and going to F up thier dem WH this year?
I’ve done my best to avoid those arguments bc they just make me mad and sad, but I wish I had a good technique. You did a good job of staying firm csuzq.
What killed me was when people would give me the blank stare when I said I was a Hillary supporter. There was always this instant change, where the BO person would look at me like I was an IDIOT. Still dont understand it.
I should have known then that that sort of antipathy from one democrat to another would become the hallmark of the Obama Movement and would mean real trouble for our party.
Morning murphy. Perhaps this should read: guys and ‘gals’, not:
Well guys and girls, Friday night is over……
Have a great weekend and thanks for all you do for this site……
you are right Sartmom — changed it! thanks.
Good Morning,
Here is some links to start your day.
PDOP – Delegate Lists & Contacts Info For Dems Against Obama
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/06/delegate-contact-lists-for-democrats.html
Pan Metron – What Democrats Owe To McCain
http://panmetron.blogspot.com/2008/06/what-democrats-owe-to-john-mccain.html
Easily The Link Of The Day –
Wall Street Journal – Peggy Noonan: Brave New World
http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html
Updated Daily Stop Obama Link List is now up at
PDOP – http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com
and
RezkoWatch – http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com
Have a great day and remember to donate to this site to help PUMA keep it running and visit the advertisers on other Stop Obama sites.
You can’t argue with Obama supporters, they have their own screwed up reasons for supporting him. So I’ve given up.
Here’s an interesting link regarding Obama being brought up a Muslim:
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12918.htm
I just came from Huffungton Post
Obama supporter’s have raised Tim Russert to sainthood.
Tim Russert will be missed and condolences to his family.
I was just thinking, if Tim had been a Hillary supporter, they would have damned him to Hell.
I dealt with these people since february at Huff post and they are very mean spirited.
PA Guy, you are a brave heart. If I went over to HuffyPuffy I’d need another drink this morning.
Tho, that would make a hangover go away. Hmmmm . . .
lol……
I have taken some serious beatings over there, but it is all worth it!
ShortTermer – good morning.
Here’s my latest response to Marc at http://outtheotherear.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/a-discussion-with-a-disgruntled-hillary-supporter/#comment-177:
Marc,
Some advice:
In the response at 1:46am, your very first ‘fact’ in point 1 is incorrect. You wrote, “The punishment, laid out clearly the year prior, was that all states moving their primary ahead of schedule would have their delegate count cut in half.” The party in fact decided to punish Michigan and Florida by cutting ALL of their delegates.
In that same response at 1:46am, in point 5, you wrote that you hold hold a degree in Contemporary American Political History. Don’t try to impress people with your degrees. I hold three degrees–an undergraduate degree and two graduate degrees. The Greeks had a word for people who hold up worthless pieces of paper to try to impress others. Actually, we Americans have several words for people who do that…
In that same response at 1:46am and in same point, you wrote that you have “spent a significant amount of time studying grassroots politics.” Then, whether you agree with us or not, why can’t you understand what we are doing and why we’re doing it? Go to blog.pumapac.org, click on ‘About’ at the top of the page, and read about us, what we’re doing and why we’re doing it.
In that same response at 1:46am, in point 7, you have engaged in an obvious ad hominem attack and called us racist. You should not whine about people attacking you personally (which I did not do) and then attack people personally. It just makes you look stupid.
In the response at 1:51 am, you wrote that my blog has disappeared due to my personal attacks. Anyone reading these posts will think you’re an idiot because you leave up the comments that you say are so objectionable (though they are not), and take down the one that is substantive. I posted my comment that you removed on two other websites, including blog.pumapac.org, so that my people–thousands of people–will read exactly what you thought should be removed. Actually, on my reposts, I took the liberty of fixing a few typos and grammatical errors, so maybe you should just leave the comment I put here down…
I suppose my final bit of advice is that you really have to stop and think about what you’re doing and why. You obviously enjoy stroking your own intelligence publicly, but you’re really not accomplishing much else and, frankly, you’re making yourself look pretty damned stupid as you gratify yourself.
Remember Pumas, the more we make Obamabots fight, the uglier they look.
They raised Tim Russert to sainthood, eh? Well, they’ll just look delusional, too…
I have gotten to the point I don’t care what people think about my faithful support for Hillary I will vote for John Mccain .I won’t be rude ok maybe a little but I am keeping my bumper stickers on my car planning for 2012 and I am wearing my Hillary gear but I have to get a bigger size because I have eaten to much comfort food the last six months .I still can’t believe they are moving the DNC to the windy city . I am in a red state and you would not believe the people who would vote for Hillary if they had a do over .I am a life time Dem but I think I could support a new party . I went to Hillary’s site and they had up dated the hub but the first Article was strange. I also got an email for that con call on Mon .But didn’t say any thing . God bless Tim and I hope who ever takes over is done with the gotcha pol. it has been so mean since the 90’s imo . I wish I was eighteen again my son is going to the beach on his Harley this week end I could really get in to doing something fun but what I don’t know.I guess I am done goingon and on. I guess I’ll do some more thank you cards .I love this site and the Puma’s I hope we are supporting it well. Murphy you might want to read the second line again of the front post I think there is one to many did I understand you have been working night and day.
RE HOWARD DEAN LETTER FOR MONDAY, 16 JUNE 2008
Please consider joining other PUMAs in sending the letter attached below to Howard Dean on Monday between 8 am and 5 pm eastern. We ask each person to put his or her own name, city and state (Name Town, ST) in the space after “Sincerely,” and send the letter by both fax and email. If you can only email it, that’s fine.
Throughout the course of a single day, in emails and faxes, each of us, separately–but all in one voice that speaks the same words–will tell Dean what we think. They receive hundreds of letters, faxes and emails from citizens all over the country, but we think it will be an even more impressive statement if hundreds of people from all over the country send the SAME letter, expressing the reasons for their unhappiness with the Democratic Party in the SAME words, all on the SAME day. It shows organization. It shows resolve.
Everyone interested in joining the mailing effort on Monday, 16 JUNE 2008, please email me at brianknoxvilletnpuma@gmail.com or pumabrianknoxvilletn@gmail.com and put “YES I WILL” in the subject. BE SURE TO WRITE YOUR HOME TOWN AND STATE IN THE TEXT OF THE MESSAGE so that I can count up not only the number of people, but also the number of different places from which these letters will be going to Dean.
In addition to our individual mailings of this same letter to Dean on Monday, I will send it to several news organizations (Greta Van Sustern, Bill O’Reilly, Dan Abrams, Lou Dobbs, AC 360 and Juan Williams) and to key Hillary supporters (including James Carville, Lanny Davis and Harold Ickes).
THE LETTER:
Dear Dr. Dean,
With all due respect, I write as a deeply devoted Democrat who can no longer support my own party’s leadership or vote for the party’s presidential nominee. I have written to you out of frustration and anger, and now would like an opportunity to explain the basis of that frustration and anger as briefly as I can.
When you became the chairman of the DNC, you called on the Democratic Party to engage in a 50-state strategy that entailed listening to the concerns of voters in all 50 states, representing the interests of voters in all 50 states, and making a real effort to win votes in all 50 states. Your call for a commitment to that goal was commendable.
And yet that is not what is happening. The Obama campaign and many of the Democratic Party’s leaders have rationalized positions that have blocked the realization of that very goal and its underlying principles.
During the nomination process, Senator Obama and his campaign did not support counting all the votes in Michigan and Florida, did not accept a compromise plan that would have allowed new primaries in those states, and completely ignored the voters in states like Kentucky and West Virginia.
At the same time, the DNC and other powerful committees of the party did not investigate evidence of fraud or alleged disenfranchisement of entire groups in states that used caucuses to choose their delegates, did not apportion Michigan’s delegates appropriately as called for by the party’s rules (indeed, the RBC took four delegates from one candidate and gave them to another), and did not protest the many instances of media bias against and belittling of Senator Hillary Clinton until after the part of the nomination process involving primaries and caucuses had been completed and after many automatic delegates endorsed Senator Obama based on the results of those primaries and caucuses.
Your call for a 50-states strategy was based on an important principle of the Democratic Party that would enable us to elect Democrats to positions of power at all levels of our government. My concern now stems from what has happened to the principles that form the bases of our processes for speaking to our leaders and, indeed, for choosing them.
In effect, the party’s nominee was selected and advanced by means of a series of inappropriate actions and inactions. As a result, many deeply devoted Democrats, who, like me, have proudly called ourselves Democrats over the years and who have supported Democratic candidates with our votes and donations, are greatly distressed by a process that has amounted to abandoning our party’s principles of full democratic participation and fair reflection.
I regret to inform you that I will protest the 2008 election and that I will not support our party or its candidates in the future unless its leaders return to our core principles by means of which our party can once again legitimately represent us.
Sincerely,
Puma Democrat
blog.pumapac.org
In coalition with http://www.justsaynodeal.com
Brian, another brave heart! I read your comment (v nicely put) and visited that site. oh my goodness. the place is utterly incoherent.
I met Harriet Christiansen in DC the night before the RBC meeting. She and her friend were two of the nicest, friendliest New Yorkers you’d ever want to meet. Harriet is the type who takes care of everyone and everything, and she DOES NOT back down. But there is not a mean bone in her body. She treats everyone with respect.
We had dinner together. The next day i saw her interviewed in the lobby of the Marriot and knew she’d be famous. She’s a great lady who speaks for millions when she speaks her mind.
Harriet, if you’re out there — it’s Murphy from Boston. We love you!
Murphy… are you still on? Did you see the flyer I created yesterday? I was going to email the folder it to MarylandPUMA but then someone warned about giving out our emails?
Is marylandPUMA oK? I had to leave yesterday and didn’t get back until late. Here is the link I put the flyer on so others could see:
http://www.annieonymous.com/pumaflyers/email_announce_1a.html
If you approve should I email the HTML file to Maryland PUMA?
wontbackdown. marylandpuma is fine– she’s working away and getting some rest (i hope) this weekend.
Yup — I got the flyers and they’re GREAT.
There will be a flyer drop post up soon.
thx
Wontbackdown — yup — email them to mdpuma.
Perhaps Katie Couric sould take over Tim’s spot on MTP.
Okay, Thank you. Also Murphy, it was designed so that the left column could contain “Message” or “Action” of the day, week, etc.
P.S. Everyone, while I feel sad for his family… was it just me or was Tim Russert really bias against Hillary? I thought so and quit watching MTP months ago. Then, I heard Obama say last night that Russert had become one of his “really close friends”.
Sorry is I am a little late on TR MTP comments, I haven’t gone over afternoon’s comments after I logged off and before I heard the news.
I recently got into a disagreement with a colleague about the election (OK, last night over the phone). He is an Obama supporter. I told him I was voting for McCain and he flipped out. He went on about the Democrat platform, Roe v Wade, the Supreme Court, etc. I told him that I was an Independent, my concern was experience, and the threats over Roe were just that -threats. Roe lived through other Republican administrations and was Stare Decisis anyway. He then tried to make it seem as I must be racist -and I said hey, look, you know me better than that, if this was Colin Powell instead of *61 -we wouldn’t be having this discussion! It’s about experience. If I had a Maserati, I would let a 16 yeart old drive it and I certainly don’t think Mr. JR. Senator is ready to deal with the current state of this country. I wouldn’t send my least experienced into battle -I’d want my most experienced. It basic and simple. My friend was at a loss -but started to bring up the platform again. It didn’t work because I am an Independent. Then he started on ageism toward McCain -I said I was going to have a reductionist conversation about the presidency that was based in discrimination. I said that reasonable people can disagree and we left it at that. We said we would just cancel one another out at the polls -so there was nothing to really talk about.
We ended on good terms. So, not so bad.
(Forgive any typos -morning blah)
Re #23 1st typo Clarification -I would NOT let a 16 year old drive a Mazerati;)
Re #23 2nd typo Clarification -I said I was NOT going to have a reductionist conversation about the presidency that was based in discrimination.
Seems I can’t think in the negative this morning;)
I had in-laws who were visiting for my daughter’s graduation viciously attack me on an unrelated matter. I knew it was because of my saying that politics were off-limits during the visit. This was around the time of the Kennedy-assasination ridiculousness, and I know they were furious because the whole thing was laughable, but this was their candidate.
I think that’s where a lot of fury comes from in BO backers. They know he’s an empty suit conman, but they’re too embarrassed to back down now. God, grow up, will ya?
Re: #21. I found Tim Russert, like all the others on NBC and MSNBC very biased toward Hillary. He grew more and more emotional about Nobama. Recently he did look very ill, so I was not surprised by his death. I send his wife, son and the NBC, MSNBC family condolences, however, I remain very unattached to their broadcasts.
Good Morning All.
I’m still catching up on comments and action items from last night. There were constructive ideas and comments.
Murphy, I briefly met Harriet at the RBC meeting and she was very nice. I walked out of the meeting just ahead of her — my comments to reporters weren’t as colorful or nice as Harriet’s. lol
I agreed with every word she said.
My best friend and I came to a truce of not talking about politics. She constantly breaks the truce then gets mad when I won’t respond. I simply say “I have a right to keep my political opinions private as well as my vote”.
Good morning, all. I think that you cannot attack others’ beliefs, just like we don’t like ours attacked. It only makes people dig their heels in more. My approach, although I have to admit not always when emotion gets the best of me, is to be calm, and agree with them. For instance, “I think I can understand to what you are responding, tell me more”. Generally, speaking, if the argument is sound they will tell it and it will sound rational. If the argument is baseless it will unravel itself in the telling. I do believe, however, that all people are not stupid and that they have very good reasons for believing what they do, just as we do. That does not mean anyone is ever completely right or wrong. We need to start the dialogue rather than shutting others up and out. Believe me I know how hard that is and I have lost my temper more times than I care to admit. But I am practicing discipline–make a connection with people, try to understand, but remain true to your own beliefs. I think that is the brilliance of Hillary.
I think nobama supporters play off the wildly aggressive style of his campaign…the Chicago-style of in-your-face thug politics (for lack of a better description).
Brian Knoxville TN
# 11 …….Nice Job !
It is such a relief to be surrounded by people who have the same beliefs and goals.
Thanks All
Ok …..I have to get some work done or my wife will kill me…………lol
just joking ………..She is with us all the way!
I am so angry with CNN, they continue with their biase praise of BO, most of their segments are always discussing BO. I couldn’t believe how they were praising Michelle. I leave posts but they never seem to get through. I think instead of trying to leave posts, we should go to the top exec. of CNN. Let’s let them know that we are tired of this and we will not support any of their sponsors, until they do fair reporting.
Brian,
Did you receive my email yesterday from Robby33441@gmail.com. I tried to send you a confirmation 3 or 4 times but each time I get a delivery failure, of course today in your post I notice the brianknoxvilletn@gmail.com has changed to brianknoxvilletnpuma@gmail.com. The last time I tried it looks like it went through to the later of the addresses or your pumabrian one.. I just wanted to make sure you know that I”m down with the email as well I am going to try and get as many folks as I know to send it (if that is okay with you and the group) many of the folks that I know don’t own a computer unfortunately.
Now about the fights, You know the part that gets me is that I have run across former clinton supporters who think it would be better to just roll over and support Nobama and his corruption, some whom have really jumped me up one side and down the other, but regardless come November I will CONTROL who I vote for and quite honestly I am not sure how the rest of my fellow PUMA’s feel, but I am not even sure that I could bring myself to vote for the “Dream Ticket” even though I think that it is unlikely will will see a Nobama/Clinton ticket.
I do know this much our voices are being heard LOUD & CLEAR, and our actions are being felt. Never loose sight of that fellow Puma’s. As long as we stand TALL & STRONG will be victorious, if not in August then further down the road in November.
Alex (post#26),
I agree. If there was more substance to nobama, his supporters wouldn’t be so defensive.
Hello All,
here is the petition for Hill, if you are new and you haven’t signed it please do so – http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/We-Want-Hillary-In-The-White-House
It is really beginning to make sense now: why the Kennedy’s, Chris Dodd, Kent Conrad and Tim Russert (to name a few) were so supportive of BO. I’ll bet there are more stories out there waiting to be told of superdelegates and/or reporters who pushed BO to the top for reasons they had rather we not know.
murphy, good morning. Gina sent me a flyer she did and wanted a Spanish translation, I just sent it to her. If you want to see it you can send me an email to ibuyumu66@gmail.com. Let me know
Like PAGuy …
In between doing personal errands, housework, website maintenance/design(side business) and PUMA action items, etc. — I have a very busy day. I’ll check back for action item updates.
Everyone have a great day.
As for Roe vs Wade, you might want to tell people that the man who supported and authored the decision and advocated for it was Harry Blackmun a conservative judge appointed by Richard Nixon.
Also, the judges who passed the gay-marriage law in California were conservative judges, appointed by republicans who didn’t believe in gay marriage.
Or you may want to tell these people that the man who struck down the Tammy Kitzmiller, et al. v. Dover Area School District, et al. case (lawsuit between intelligent design being allowed in schools) was a republican judge appointed by George W. Bush (who believes in ID), a conservative judge.
This is just to show that judges don’t rule with the Presidents, or with their own beliefs, they rule with the premise of the law.
FYI here is the link to the myspace page:
myspace.com/pumapac
Murphy,
Has anyone created a Myspace or maybe we could do a Yahoo groups?? I would be happy to set up a space for everyone to join so that we might keep “ACTION” discussions & plans here and be a little easier to follow and we can have other such discussion planning that isn’t as hard to follow? It’s just a thought and suggestion and for all I know it might already be out there. I find it very difficult more often than not to read every single message here and follow with who says what to whom, certainly folks have help make it easier when they reference the comment # in their responses to folks.
It’s just a thought and idea
Let me know I’d be happy to set up a Yahoo Group, so that we could keep the blog to Action Events that we can maybe follow a little easier.
My brother and I have been involved and vigoriously discussed politics since Kennedy was President. We have, for the most part been in agreement. Recently, but before this primary we have both been disillusioned with the democrats, their lack of backbones.
He has decided to go for Obama a choice I can not comprehend. My brother is really informed but he told me he bought into the change idea. I just don’t get it.
Every time we would discuss politics we would end in an agrument and hanging up so we both decided we could no longer discuss politics. Our phone conversations now are very short and sometimes uncomfortable.
I’ve had “strong discussions” with my daughter who lives in a college town, surrounded by professors who have caught Obama fever. My New York sister is also leaning towards Obama, so discussions have been heated there as well. The impression I get from them is that they fear a vote away from Obama will bring the same old song back in. They fear the Republicans will just congest our desire for progress, and my argument back–is “Look, I was a die-hard Democrat–now an Independent, which means I CAN look at both sides without feeling guilt. Democrats are far from perfect, and ANYONE who would step into that White House in January will have a mandate from the people of the United States to fix the mess–to do otherwise would be political suicide. I don’t vote with my uterus. I vote with my brain, so don’t throw Roe at me. Can I endure a wise “old” guy who has navigated a lot of life and its trials to captain this country? For four years? Sure. No problem.
Can I endure a ruthlessly ambitious showboat who will have to hire out the big decisions of his presidency while he smiles for the camera and writes his next biography? No way.
If I can’t have the smartest girl in the class, I’ll take the Wise One.” That’s what I say to those who friends and family, and if I lose a few here, I’ll gain a few there.
If I’m the only one speaking in the forest, does that mean I’m not saying anything worth hearing?
I have always wondered what the “change” concept means. I think it is a good question to ask people. One hypothesis I have had is that “change” means “no Clintons”. But, it is a good question for Obama supporters. I know some people just are die-hard Democrats and will follow the party. They can never see themselves voting Republican. I actually, on the other hand, find it quite liberating–to choose a candidate regardless of party. I know many Republicans voted for Hillary because they thought she was the best candidate. Just some morning musings–gotta go.
Best to all.
Rob4hillary,
check this site
http://justsaynodeal.com/
they are attemptig to keep track of all the new groups. They have groups listed on myspace and on yahoo.
Gm pumas…I think a Puma Flag would be nice dont know if anybody else had that idea and also a friend of mine 1 time up north got alot of media attention by putting a sign on his roof
Dear Pumas: Good Morning! I am glad we have this platform to contribute ideas, to plan strategy and many other things. To keep this site alive and well we should contribute.
But in addition to coming here every day to share our admiration for Hillary and our outrage for the way she was and is treated we should go to other ones like CNN, New York Times, Caglepost, and others to make our voices heard.
Obamabots are all over the place because we have not claimed our space and so they have diligently taken over all the territory to spread rumors, venom and hatred.
As Pumas we must reclaim this territory back and leave our mark to let them know we are still here and that we are a force to be reckoned with. I do it everyday.
Our candidate is not the nominee because we acted too late to stop the unfair treatment she was receiving from the media because she is a strong woman. Personally I still believe she can be the nominee, don’t ask me to explain it, it’s a mater of faith.
We have two months left. Lets get out there and give them a piece of our mind and come back here to report and plan. We must me unwavering in this purpose.
Good Saturday everyone
At least from now on we have peaceful Sunday for a while
BE FAIR and BALANCE –> its GOOD for our HEART!
love you all, PUMAfamily for Hillary
Murphy,
About experences talking about Hillary — here is a link I saved from March [it still works] about how women who talk about Hillary in the workplace are encountering new levels of sexism. It’s a real eye-opener about how much sexism our society tolerates about Hillary.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120674839234873285.html
Early in the koolaid drinking beginning, I attempted to talk sense to someone who was caught up in the foolishness. Told her it was simple: First Hillary as president and BO as VP for 8 yrs, and then BO could have the next 8 yrs. Since Hillary obviously has the background and experience now. I was quickly assured that no one likes Hillary, no one would ever vote for her, and everyone loves BO, and he will never choose her for VP either. Hillary should just quit. This was in February. Of course my choice was considered racist as well… I just quit the discussion and left. And I quietly worked hard to try to help people return to good sense! One expert says people are not reading enough anymore, and thus are not developing and using their independent reasoning skills. So there are lots of koolaid drinkers now.
Rob4hillary,
I share your frustration at trying to follow so many topics in one conversation and would love to help you find a solution.
Murphy, could we work with you at adding some division of topics right on your website? Marlandpuma had a great list of possible topic divisions yesterday.
#43 Lin4Hill
Note: As a university professor, I know many in my field do not endorse a candidate to students. It is unethical. If you see this happening, I would report it immediately.
The vast majority of my colleagues wanted Hillary. There is a swing toward Obama because of the budget cuts and Democratic Party leaning in academia. They think they will get more money with a Democrat in office -even though such determinations are largely a State issue.
Best,
JGoldman1
I had a friend and strong Obama supporter try to convince me to vote for Obama in the primary early on. As we e-mailed and chatted back and forth, he kept sending me e-mails from a state congressman he knew that compared Obama’s and Hillary’s voting records and the bills each one passed. Of course, he wasn’t informed enough to know all the legislation Hillary had worked to pass. What I did was to use facts. I kept sending him the REAL record of Hillary’s legislative accomplishments and how important her work had been compared to Obama’s much weaker record. He was only taking the word of a pro-Obama congressman.
Also, my friend had the “audacity” to tell me that Hillary had won no primaries by double- digit margins, so I proceeded to DEFINE what double-digit means and listed all the states she won by more than 10 percentage points. She even won his home state of Massachusetts by more than 10 points. The blindness of Obama’s supporters still leaves me shaking my head in disbelief.
I have had successes. One example: A friend in California who was pro-Obama, but after a few weeks of listening to my calm, reasoned position regarding Hillary and thinking FOR HIMSELF, he told me that he was now firmly behind Hillary after my well-reasoned explanation AND after he began watching the news and the candidates and their positions.
HILLARY ‘08 and ‘12
Oscarp #46 — yes PLEASE send me the spanish version flyer — thanks!
murphy@pumapac.org
JGoldman #52.
I knew you must be a professor or something, cuz you’re wicked smaht!
Owensboro Steve — well done!
I have a very good friend who is an Obama zealot. She’s convinced he’s going to change politics as we know it! I understand her fervor, having been there before, but it’s sad to see how she picked up so many Republican talking points about the Clintons.
When we found out that a lot of the women professors were supporting Hillary, she called them feminazis, and asked what else could be expected from them. I first told her that ‘feminazi’ was a Rush L. smear, and we should never give his hatred a platform by adopting his language. Next, I told her that I was a strong feminist, though I was supporting either Edwards or Kucinich (for what it’s worth
) at the time. She was surprised to hear me identify as a feminist since we were so much alike. I hope she thinks of me every time she hears the word ‘feminazi’ tossed around.
She then went on to talk about how horrible Bill Clinton was, and how his great economy was just a bubble. I set her straight on that, and then described the housing disaster right now as ‘just a bubble’ to show her how meaningless that phrase is. (my economics degree hanging on the wall gave me some credibility!)
She’ll vote for Obama. I won’t. Right now we talk about down ticket races.
I’m trying to help her understand that Obama just may not get elected. I don’t want her to be devastated, but the really evil part of me will be so satisfied to see the Obama supporters’ smug self-righteousness dissolve when he gives his concession speech to McCain.
Then I’ll tell them all to unite behind our country and its president. We’ll see how they like that!
#55 Murphy
Oh Geez;) You too! Thanks.
If you only knew what I really thought about all of these happenings;)
Best,
JGoldman1
The great orange satan calls for our murder.
Kos Diary posted this morning abou us.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/14/101610/384/122/535847
I always try my best to be calm, friendly, and reasoned with my “Obama friends.” ( See my post# 53.) My Massachusetts Obama friend told me a month or two after we ended our political discussions and I was having another different problem with someone that was not political in nature, he just told me, “Steve, tell that person what you think! NO ONE could ever win an argument with you!” He was serious about that, and we had a good laugh over his comment about me. I am very easy-going and fun-loving, but when it comes to fairness and the way Hillary has been treated, I do NOT back down.
Good morning all. Wow, a lot has happened while I slept. I didn’t post it but read an article a few days ago about the lobbyists that support BO even though he claims he doesn’t take money from them. The report brought out lobbyists that support both BO and McCain so I don’t think the report was biased. So strike one for his platform of change. The other thing I have often wondered about was the fact that he won’t take money from corporate CEO’s ect. but will take money from their wives. Well, I must admit that there are some married couples that don’t co-mingle their money but for the most part my experience is that’s not true. So taking money from their wives is taking money from them – strike two for his platform of change. BO can reach across party lines to bring everyone together and prevent the partisan behavior seen in Washington yet he has contributed to the divisiveness in his own party. Strike three for a change – your out.
OK, that was my rant for the day. I am off to work. Check back later.
A picture is worth a thousand words. I think this speaks volumes. The Bo people will just say it was a Halloween costume.
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12918.htm
Hi Pumas! I am new at blogging here. I am from the Hillary Clinton site. I am also voting for McCain if Hillary Clinton is not the nominee. I never liked Obama from the start. I just had this sense that something wasn’t quite right about him. Then when all this Rev. Wright and other controversial things came out about him. Yep, I knew it. He wasn’t this squeaky clean image that the media was acting like he was. I am from a small town in Ky. and we all know what he thinks about small town people.
Well Hillary won a big win here in my county. And I read in my newspaper that they think Kentucky voters will vote for McCain because they don’t trust Obama. GREAT NEWS!! Kentucky loves Hillary, not Obama. All my family and friends are not voting for Obama. We will all vote for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee. We still believe there’s a chance at the convention, As long as she has her delegates, she is still in.
I’m glad to see some of the Hillary supporters from her site here. I was KYGAL at her site. I didn’t post too often but alot of my blogs didn’t go thru. Obama supporters are trying to take over there, trying to get everyone to support Obama. I can see why everyone left.
I am thinking about writing several newspapers around here about PUMA. Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions about what to write?
RE #11
Well, it doesn’t look like Marc is going to put my comment that he found so objectionable and ad hominem back up… so here it is. If any part of it can be useful to you in writing letters, please feel perfectly free to use it or adapt it as you see fit.
http://outtheotherear.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/a-discussion-with-a-disgruntled-hillary-supporter/#comment-177
Marc,
Facts are very interesting and are essential to any good argument. It’s the spinners and those who use facts inappropriately, whether deliberately or unwittingly, whom I find uninteresting.
Had the DNC and the RBC just halved the delegates in the first place, as Ickes a year ago said that they should have done and exactly as the Republicans did do, then a good part of the problem we are now facing within the Democratic Party would never have existed.
The initial decision of the RBC to deny Michigan and Florida any of their delegates (which was not only totally unnecessary according to the party’s rules, but completely against Howard Dean’s commendable 50-state strategy, the strategy that Obama now–after having not supported counting all the votes in Michigan and Florida, after not accepting a compromise plan that would have allowed new primaries in those states, and after completely ignoring the voters in states like Kentucky and West Virginia–claims to think is so vital to the Democratic Party’s principles. Now he says it. WELL, THEY ARE VITAL TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND ITS PRINCIPLES, but why is Obama so constantly able to do or say one thing at the beginning of any given week, when it fits his career objectives, and then say the exact opposite thing at the end of that week, when that fits his career objectives?
I do not mean to bring up smear, but he did the exact same thing when he joined a church to advance himself politically 20 years ago and then recently resigned from that same church to advance himself politically. You just can’t make this stuff up. Does this level of duplicity strike you as ‘change we can believe in’?
You have lived threw nearly 8 years of a president who was not qualified for the office, but who was able to convince just enough people in 2000 on nothing but empty slogans and vague promises to vote for him. Now, Obama is running on empty slogans and vague promises. However warm and fuzzy they might make you feel to hear them, they’re nothing but empty slogans and vague promises.
If history has taught us anything, it’s that when incompetent politicians get power by means that are less than legitimate, they hold on to it tight, abuse it, and do only those things that will allow them to maintain and extend it. You’ve seen it with the Bush administration. If you look, you can see it already happening with the Obama campaign’s power-grab over the DNC.
In both cases, they narrowly lost the popular vote and, in both cases, they were selected to take power anyway (Bush by the Supreme Court and Obama by important Democratic Party committees). When the basis of one’s position is weak, as the selected nominee’s position is now, there is a tendency to act secretively and even tyrannically.
Bottom line, Obama convinced just enough people to vote for him in January and February–despite the fact that they knew little about him and that he had no real record of accomplishments–by packaging or marketing himself with warm and fuzzy rhetoric. In March, the shallowness and lack of substance was becoming apparent just when the Rev. Wright nonsense broke out.
But now you will see that Obama is not the warm and fuzzy guy that so many people thought he was. He was nasty to Hillary Clinton during the nomination process, but the party leaders and the media ignored it and he got away with it. At the same time, Hillary Clinton was measured in her attacks against him, though party leaders and the media erroneously and constantly complained that she was not.
Well, with the Republicans as the adversary and with the media looking for new fights, he will not be so lucky. All of his meanness toward McCain will be apparent and exposed. And, at the same time, the Republicans will tear him several new ones.
By November, he will wish he never started his premature run for the presidency and he will never be able to run for anything outside of Illinois ever again, and maybe not even there. And the Democratic Party and the country will be better off for it.
Well, I haven’t even begun to say all there is to say, but I’ve said enough.
JGoldman1: As a now recently retired high school teacher, I also knew that we must never endorse a candidate at school. Therefore, it really upset me that a Republican political science teacher that I once worked with handed out Bush stickers in 2004 and told the class about the “weapons of mass destruction” in Iraq. I had to team-teach that class with him, but did mention these tactics to some superiors in the school. Nothing was done, but I was relieved when he retired and was replaced by a staunch Democrat who, in election years, will post information/stickers/posters form BOTH parties displayed in EQUAL measure on the wall in the back corner of the classroom.
Good morning, PUMA pals!
What do you think about sending a T-shirt or mug to our Senator Clinton?
Mac #62.
Your comment borders on smearing. Leaders, including Hillary, often put on the traditional clothing of countries they are visiting. We know that Obama has Muslim relatives in Africa. Millions of Americans have Muslim relatives or are muslims themselves. That is absolutely not a good reason not to vote for him.
Talk about policy, character, and facts, or personal opinions.
Please dont help haters misunderstand or misconstrue us.
Thanks.
#33 Rob4Hillary –
I did receive your message. Thank you!
It turns out that the problems with my email addresses were not technical problems, but my own errors in the way I wrote them. Very sorry to everyone. We’ve got it straightened out.
Murphy, I love your question about our experiences talking about HRC. I’d love a chance to vent a bit about my awful experiences. I was one of the ‘activate callers’ throughout the campaign. John would send us a script in our email box everyday with the state we were calling and what we were saying or asking about. Often we had a conference call in the evening with someone from the campaign.
I’ve worked in lots of campaigns since 1968. But NEVER in my life have I encountered the hostility I did phoning for Hillary;
people would yell obscenitites in my ear and hang up
people said ‘I’d never vote for that b….’ or
‘I’d never vote for that witch’
She should have left her husband; I wont’ vote for her.
One of my last calls was to a man who said ‘oh, you shouldn’t make these phone calls; some people will be very nasty to you.’ I assured him I had made these calls for months, and could take it — just like Hill could.
I don’t argue as much anymore because I find that many people supporting Obama are not coming from a place of logic, but one of the things I mention is how do we know that Obama can actually be effective in the White House. First we look at his record. His website is misleading because he mentions any bill he has ever had anything to do with-often it is only a minor contribution. If you look at his originally sponsored bills that have actually passed into law during his time in the Senate, it is 2 compared to Clinton’s 22. When I researched his record I noticed that he seemed to have accomplished very little except his last year in the Illinois Senate. That is when I learned of Emil Jones (another backdoor Chicago politician, check out the talkleft link) Obama was actually given bills that others had worked hard on for many years so he could beef up his resume for a US Senate run. ( Most notably the racial profiling bill he gets so much attention for). So the one time Obama looks like he might of been capable of getting bills passed and achieving something, we find that the bills were taken from other legislators and given to him by Jones-some called it bill hijacking. So much for his ability to be effective and reach across party lines-something both Clinton and Mccain have a great reputation for in the Senate.
Another fact I use to shoot down Obama supporters argument that he is a new and different kind of politician, is the HUGE amount of money he has donated to superdelegates (the likes we have never seen before) and how that compares to Clinton. It is actually obscene-he has bought superdelegates votes, thanks to big money types like moveon.org. Check out the buckeyestate link. for the last known dollar amount.
I could go on and on, but I get mad all over again just thinking about it.
I will be on vacation next week, so I plan on making another donation and sending another email to our Ca. superdelegates before I leave.
Have a great week PUMA’s and thanks for all you have been doing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.buckeyestateblog.com/obama_is_spending_the_to_get_the_superdelegates
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/23/224059/069
This is a great video from a link at Just say No Deal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYZOrfDq7UY
I find that introducing logic into the conversation is enough to throw off an Obamabot or a lapsed Hillary supporter. However, logic is not necessarily enough to sway a Bot/Deserter.
For example, my mother voted for Hillary but plans to vote BO in November. She sees suffrage as a symbolic process and refuses to stay home.
Sample conversation…
MOM: I have to vote for the anti-war candidate.
ME: Obama is not “the anti-war candidate.” He has no “anti-war” legislative record (or legislative record at all, for that matter). He has no real plan for getting out of Iraq–during interviews he contradicts himself and appears clueless.
MOM: Well, I have to vote Democratic. I’m the daughter of a union man. [This her catchphrase.]
ME: Would you follow the Democratic Party off a cliff? Because that is essentially what you are doing. And the DNC leadership has stated openly that it no longer needs your demographic.
MOM: Well, I can’t vote for John McCain. He has a scary mentality and is from another era.
ME: Are you going to start spewing Roe-v.-Wade propaganda? That has no basis in fact. Furthermore, McCain will be a one-termer.
MOM: McCain will turn this country back 50 years socially.
ME: Okay, tell me exactly how he will do that.
MOM: … … [change of subject]
Any other suggestions? I’ve pretty much given up for now. I should mention that she doesn’t even like Obama. In her words, “I have a problem with people who write books before they’ve accomplished anything.” Haha.
How about this one- I can’t even discuss any part of this campaign with my husband, we have had so many screaming matches, we started a little last night but both pulled back.
He has been using the supreme court thing against me, thinking it will change my mind.
When I pointed out that McCain will be a 1 term POTUS w/ a democratically controlled house and that I was not afraid of Roe any more, he didn’t have much to say.
p.s. everyone get a chance to see the DNC needs to postpone the walk through for the convention b/c they lack the money. Guess their donations are down this year? Wonder why???
Good almost afternoon all you PUMAS! How do we continue to move forward…by staying POSITIVE ALL THE TIME!!
How do we reach others that disagree…by stating the facts but more importantly, pray that their eyes and ears will be open!!
So off to my coffee be back soon!
Update posted at the top of the page.
There have been some extremely heated discussions in my home, especially with my college age son. Happily, he’s been planning on voting for McCain all along, but his refusal to see the whole picture with the DNC is just frustating. Regardless, I’m just glad his vote isn’t going to the democratic party.
However, I went out to dinner with some friends who were Hillary supporters, but felt they had to support Obama, just to keep democrats in the House, but I came well prepared with some printouts from PUMA and thankfully, they are now well-educated, lol.
Girls’ night out is coming up next week and I’ll be sure to spread the word once again.
Wontbackdown-
EXCELLENT JOB on the flier. But (yep, always a but)
PLEASE change the title of the flier and heading to
PUMAPAC
take out all the periods – enlarge the web addy and let it speak for itself. The periods break the flow of text and are extremely confusing to the eye.
JMHO.
[mwah for the great work]
#59 – There is a 24 hr wait after registration to comment on the posts. If they had reviewed this blog, they would know that you cannot kill a PUMA. PUMAs are America.
Heysandi – I vote for sending it to Hill, Chelsea, her boyfriend AND bill.
Sad thing is, they can’t wear it.
ACTION ALERT: To begin June 23, 2008.
H, I’m sorry if I am off-topic, but I have an action alert. Sorry if this info has already been posted.
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From No Quarter: http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/13/democrats-mobilizing-to-hit-networks-in-the-pocketbook/#comment-349678
A group of Democrats are mobilizing to hit the networks, who have publicly and openly shunned and abused Hillary for Obama’s sake despite gross differences in qualifications for the President position. The group is calling for all women involved to write to advertisers on the stations that should they not remove the advertising content, we will boycott their products.
This campaign will start June 23rd and will go on until advertisers will start pulling their advertising. Following are some companies which presently run advertising on NBC.
Contacts to more key advertisers will be provided shortly.
Subway
325 Bic Drive
Milford, CT 86461
Marketing Dept.
Phone: 800-992-6141 marketing department
Fax to Marketing: 203-876-6687
Vagisil
Combe Incorporated
1101 Westchester Ave.
White Plains, NY 10604
Telephone: (914) 694-5454
Toll Free: 800-(873)-7400
Fax: (914) 461-4402
Fax for Marketing: 914-461-4170
Listerine Whitening Strips
Pfizer Consumer Healthcare
235 East 42nd Street
NY, NY 10017
Phone: 1-212-733-2323
Use Regular Mail – Attn: Marketing Department/Listerine and the above address
Wal Mart
702 S.W. 8th Street
Bentonville, AR 72716
1-800-925-6278
Marketing Department 479-273-4111
Maybelline
800-944-0730
212-818-1500
Well, folks, we complain about Obama-media. We say that Obama has not been fully vetted; we say that sexism and misogyny against Hillary (therefore her supporters) has played a role; we say that the media shows favoritism for Barack Obama, and we witnessed how they attacked Hillary.
NOW, I’d like for you to post which TV stations, magazines, newspapers, and big online blogs are Obama-Media. I also want to know which writers, and TV personalities, and radio DJs are in the tank for Obama.
ie: TV: MSNBC and CNN: Which TV personalities attacked Hillary? Which are in the tank for Obama? Which shows?
Big Blogs and sites: I’ve heard complaints about Daily Kos, Huffington Post, Politico, MyDD, AOL Political Machine, TPM, Moveon…do you find this to be accurate? Have anything to add?
___________________
You should boycott, but It’s not just about boycotting. I’ve boycotted Oprah, CNN, and MSNBC, and many big blogs for months, but now it’s time to go after the wallet. We need to go after their advertisers. Please add to the list of advertisers! What are the commercials that play during their TV shows?
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POST FROM: Clinton Democrats:
Linda OKC, on June 13th, 2008 at 1:13 pm Said:
Addendum to Olberman Action Item
Many thanks to Brande for this info below re: MSNBC/Keith Olberman sponsors. Laura
Here are the links on the sponsors:
http://www.campbellsoup.com/faqs.aspx
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=cat12104&type=page
http://www.ge.com/contact/index.html
http://www.ihop.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=35&Itemid=5
http://www.kraft.com/Contacts/contact-us.html
http://walmartstores.com/7663.aspx
http://www.gm.com/corporate/
https://www.ditech.com/about/contact.html
http://www.nissanusa.com/apps/contactus
http://www.officedepot.com/renderStaticPage.do?file=/companyinfo/contactus.jsp&template=companyInfo
https://hdusps.esecurecare.net/cgi-bin/hdusps.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php?p_sid=8FLOFb6j&xssl=1
https://www.invescoaim.com/portal/site/aim/menuitem.33e9ce03dea2c250a83af864f14bfba0/#email
http://www.eloan.com/s/show/contact
http://personal.fidelity.com/accounts/services/content/sendemailoptions_frame.shtml
http://www.visitlasvegas.com/vegas/footer/contact.jsp
http://ir.united.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=83680&p=irol-contact
http://en-us.transitions.com/contactus.htm
http://www.merck.com/contact/
http://www.bankofamerica.com/state.cgi?section=contact&update=&cookiecheck=yes&page=
http://www.libertymutual.com/omapps/ContentServer?cid=1003349317293&pagename=CorporateInternet%2FPage%2FStandardDarkBlue&c=Page
Or to
Geraldine Ferraro
Katie Couric
Barbra Streisand
John Mellencamp
someone add to the list – I’ve been so busy with graphics that I haven’t kept on top of the other stuff!
Fortunately, so far all my friends and relatives were already Republicans voting for McCain or Democrats now voting for McCain. Obama scares us all silly. However, I do have a bimonthly get-together coming up with a dear friend who is absolutely starry-eyed over Obama. She is also worried about the Supreme Court and Roe-v-Wade and can’t understand why any Democrat isn’t better than McCain. Guys, I’m absolutely dreading this meeting. My husband said just don’t talk about politics. Impossible, that was the initial basis of our friendship. We were two lone Democrats in a sea of Republicans. I think I’m going to suggest we each calmly state our cases, agree to disagree if necessary and then limit our discussions to new information, facts, evidence etc. as it arises. Will be glad to accept any advice.
Have a great week-end all!
Phone calls for Hill, cont
what I learned in months of being an ‘activate caller’ for Hillary — calling an average of 2 hrs. per day for months –
1. The intensity of emotion for BO and against Hill was utterly bizarre — more like religious fanatacism than Dems. debating primary candidates. I was really frightened by this view of BO as our ’savior’ and Hill as the devil incarnate.
2. There was no justice in the caucuses. Texas calls were heart-breaking. I speak a little Spanish, and really connected with the many Hispanic people I called. I can’t tell you how distressed so many were when I explained that to fully support Hillary they needed to return in the evening to the causus. I heard over and over; ‘no one told me,’ ‘they said I didn’t have to go back,’ ‘I have a baby and can’t go out again,’ ‘I work the evening shift,’ and ‘I am elderly and/or disabled and cannot get out at night.’
3. This is the most sad. I’m 61 and grew up with a sexism that said we girls had to be nurses or teachers — but preferrably stay-at-home Moms. So much has improved in my lifetime. yet, the level of sexism that has entered casual conversation in this election reminds me of the 1950’s of my childhood. I really think a generation of advancement of women is swept under the rug. I so hope we can work with Hill to revive and advance it.
For the first time since I was about 12, I’m fearful of having bumperstickers or buttons that are pro-woman [eg. pro-Hill].
Ok – I’m going to respond to that misguided fool.
Don’t know that I’ll be nice tho.
Maybe I’ll just send that letter I sent to the superdelegates just to get our point across.
All the same, our presence is growing and so are our numbers.
Maybe I’ll just thank him for the great FREE advertisement. LOL
#75 murphy
I don’t think that whoever that Great Orange Satan is meant ‘Hillary: Murder the PUMAs’ when he wrote ‘Hillary: Kill the PUMAs.’ The substance of his piece makes that clear.
But you’re right, it’s an inappropriate headline.
My only comment to him or her would be (in my best McCain voice): “It’s not about the policies, my friend. It’s about the principles.” Of course, I for one believe that McCain, like Hillary, would be a more moderate president than would Obama. Frankly, the Obama campaign’s tactics scare me a little in their blantant disregard for all the principles that have been so dear to the Democratic Party for so long. I would go so far as to say that, in the past, the Democratic Party has been willing to lose elections in order to maintain its principles, but that, this time around, the Democratic Party has abandoned its principles in order to rake up as much of the Obama money as possible.
Murphy
Pls check email – need info.
MDPUMA
Maryland PUMA,
I know it …damn. We could send them mugs!
kat in your hat
Please be cautious when referring to ‘the group.
It is important that we stress INCLUSIVENESS: we are all genders, races, religions, sexual preferences, careers, socio-economic backgrounds, etc.
This is being pegged as a ‘woman issue’ and it’s not.
Thanks,
MarylandPUMA
I really don’t think Daily kos gets it no one understand are endless support for Hillary I saw that guy on tv he looked a little rabbid to me I don’t hate anyone but I really think the crative people carry on worse than AA’s supporting Obama and I can understand how proud they must be but for someone who lived thru the civil rights movement and marched in Philly I don’t get the 30 something white supporters of Obama and thier hate for Hillary and Bill.
Go PUMAS!! So they don’t like that we are organized? Well, they have not seen anything yet!!
But using the word “kill” is a hate crime…will have to report them also!
So glad we are a united family across America!
weeeell nevermind 1 wk lag on membership and 24 hour lag on postings.
Nice strategy to make sure YOUR opinion is dominant and gives people time to lose interest.
Blog should be renamed to Daily KOOK
I think it’s great someone wants to “kill” us! Means we’re getting their attention. Litttle scared, maybe? Hmmm…
Re: 65 OwensboroSteve on 06.14.08 at 11:19 am
It’s pretty amazing. Yes, I’m sure it happens -it shouldn’t!
Best,
JGoldman1
We need somebody to get a list together of major hispanic organizations so we can get them literature in Spanish.
Any takers?
(Am adding to project list.)
Any other additions to project list?
heysandy
Yep – send them mugs and tell them:
Thank you for the ‘wake up call’! Enjoy your morning java with us.
LOL
Murphy
Are we committed to the red and blue tshirts? Personally, I’d prefer white – makes the logo and text eyecatching
My fear is that the logo parts will fade into the color of the shirt.
????
#23 JGoldman1
As frustrating as it can be to discuss your reasons for not supporting Obama to someone who’s for him for all the reasons your colleague described, I think it’s good to do it, or at least reply to their views with your own. I think to a lot of Dems it’s just inconceivable to even consider not voting for the D. candidate or doing anything but supporting them vigorously against ANY Republican!
But I think than when former and long-term committed Democrats don’t back down and instead, state their reasons for being opposed to Obama, as you did, it does have an effect. Like the little tapping of a hammer on solid rock, over and over again, that eventually shatters solid rock….It make take time, but it definitely has an effect. Just like those 18 million cracks in the ceiling Hillary was talking about. Every little bit we do counts. I can’t help but believe as this election campaign season proceeds, people are going to begin to question their perceptions of the process and the candidates. And I think it’s going to be harder and harder to defend either the party or the candidate if you’re a Democrat
MD PUMA #95
LOVE IT!! Let’s do it. I’ll pitch in, for sure!
Maryland Puma,
#94
Good Morning.
Contacting all county voter registration offices in each state and alert them to the fraudulent voter regs the DNC is doing. I have links to the articles from down south. I live in CA, There are 60 counties. I can take the Northern half of the state or half of the counties. I am sending hard copy not emails.
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5541
Obama’s Bump Turns To A Slump
Published by AJStrata at 3:29 pm under 2008 Elections, All General Discussions
“Many weeks ago I predicted Obama would not get much of a bump out of his nomination, and in fact would start to fade as sufficient numbers of Clinton supporters (mostly older woman) made good on their threats and bolted the Democrats after the beating Hillary took at the hands of male liberals. The bump took longer to show up than I predicted (oh well, nobody’s perfect), but it was short and shallow all the same. You can see it in the Gallup daily tracking poll:”
Go older women!!!!
This is my question to the DNC;
1. Why the Democrats allowed New Hampshire, Iowa, South Carolina and Nevada to hold early nominating contests, while stripping all the delegates from Michigan and Florida?
2. The dnc also said if a candidate do any campaigning in Florida would have no delegates
Nobama did so in Florida by running ads
So a come nobama got delegates? No body is talking
about that.
3. Than all this states that Clinton won ,why all this superdelegets went to nobama? I count about 46 del.
4. Also why the bnc give 4 Clinton delegates to nobama
Like every body said nobama selected not elected
Is this democracy ?
nobama was selected not elected
“#99 goandersen on 06.14.08 at 11:57 am Maryland Puma,
#94
Good Morning.
Contacting all county voter registration offices in each state and alert them to the fraudulent voter regs the DNC is doing. I have links to the articles from down south. I live in CA, There are 60 counties. I can take the Northern half of the state or half of the counties. I am sending hard copy not emails.”
I feel that would be a great article to send to Sean Hannity. He lives for things like this. Does anyone know if Hannity has mentioned it on his radio or tv show?
PUMA is listed under “Blogs” on this site:
http://panmetron.blogspot.com/2008/06/what-democrats-owe-to-john-mccain.html
Read the brilliant Riverdaughter this morning. One line of many that jumps out:
“Barack Obama did not run a brilliant winning campaign. He was carried across the finish line by his friends.”
that’s today’s daily talking point.
keep fighting for justice ,Do not give-up keep hope alive
savio for Clinton
oops, riverdaughter link
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/06/14/saturday-1-million-visitors/
“103 mcr on 06.14.08 at 12:04 pm PUMA is listed under “Blogs” on this site:
http://panmetron.blogspot.com/2008/06/what-democrats-owe-to-john-mccain.html”
That is the other PUMA.
I’m just coming out from under that block placed on me for years about you never discuss religion or policitics with your friends. I have sent emails to some of my best friends about my feelings about what is going on in this country; what unfortunately has been going on in our country for a long time now thanks, in much part, to the apathy of WE the PEOPLE.. because I do think it’s apathy and ignorance that keeps people from being active in the political process, that keeps people at home and not being active in the whole political process. So, I’ve begun by simply talking about my fears of what electing Nobama will do to further damage this country and how incensed I am about people just lying back and taking all this crap; and allowing themselves to be seen as consenting because they don’t protest.
Is it working? I’m not sure, but I think I’ve seen a few cracks here and there. The main thing is, I intend with all my heart, to continue to try.
For any of you that are amazed at the nonstop sexism of our Democratic leaders, feel free to tell Rep Emanuel what you think of him.
Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, a Democratic House leader who helped
orchestrate the party’s strategy for winning control of Congress in 2006, argues against reading too much into the holdouts. He said most of them always stay out of national politics and that the party is generally unified around Obama. “They’re just going to stick to their knitting,” he said. “It’s not that they’re anti-Obama.”
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=213&pid=0&sid=1420529&page=2
Perhaps you are offended by his comment. If so, call Rep. Emanuel’s office at 202 225-4061 during work hours M-F or email staff such as:
Kathleen.Connery@mail.house.gov and Ryan.Quinn@mail.house.gov
Alert: Floridians
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2008/06/obama-wont-like.html
#80 kat in your hat
Thank you so much for posting that list! It is incredibly helpful and so time-saving to have that info together, all listed in one place.
It’s really hard to watch CNN and MSNBC, for example, and others, these days, so I’m so glad and relieved you’ve provided lists and contact info. I will try to endure watching the programs, etc., to add to the information from my region.
Again, thanks so much!
Hello Pumas
to start Brian agian great post #64. Xllent recap.
Now a personal story.
This I finally spoke with a client ,hard core republican (really tough) and of course she gave me her opinion on OB ’s selection by the democratic party. She commented on quote”that even though she disliked Hillary Clinton a lot she was amazed at how the racist card was played against her by the OB’s campaign and medias and how she felt bad that consequently to this negative campaign so many african american voters were made to hate her without knowing how active she has been her entire life (since college)to promote and fight for equal rights ”
I felt bad again , Because I know that Hillary Clinton has been such a positive influence in promoting civil rights and how trashy the tactic was and realizing it may worked for some unaware voters.
Hate, racism, sexism and any form of prejudice are the lowest of human emotions and bear very hurtful consequences. The latest political debates reflected that.
couple of updates on the front page folks.
also our new daily talking point feature.
Get that point out there, wherever you blog or email.
Include it in everything you write.
“Barack Obama did NOT run a brilliant winning campaign. He was carried across the finish line by his friends.”
mcr –
WOO HOO I saw PUMAs there! AWESOME!
Maryland PUMA: I agree, I copied and pasted the first part from No Quarter.
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Back OT, Ok, I have avoided to really get into politics with close associates, I am too passionate. Anyway, I debate people online, and I was/ am a Hillary Rapid Responder and I’ve followed the primary season very closely. So, about a week ago I was riding on the subway and I overheard an argument begin between two passengers who were riding together. It started off with, “So, who did you vote for?” I could feel my body stiffen a little bit, knowing how passionate both sides are. Well, the guy said, “Hillary, of course.” Then the other guy was quiet, and then said: “Really?” As in, hmm, I see you differently now. Then, I swear, the Obama guy started talking just like so many people online have: Roe v Wade, Bosnia, etc…
The Hillary guy was sort of getting attacked…
I could feel my heart racing, and then finally the Obama guy said that Obama didn’t vote for the war. And he was going on and on about how Obama didn’t vote for the war–as if he voted that way in the Senate. The Hillary guy asked that they change the subject, but I couldn’t leave that guy thinking that Obama didn’t vote for the war in that way. I was across from them…and
I said, “Obama didn’t vote for the war because he wasn’t a U.S. Senator yet, and he did not have access to any data, which is why Obama said in 2004 that he didn’t know which way he would have voted. He also said in 2004 that Bush was doing a good job…
Obama fan: “No, Obama was the only U.S. Senator to not vote for the war.”
kat in your hat: “WHAT? No no, Obama didn’t even have the job yet. You know that he was only a U.S. Senator for one year before he announced his candidacy? Obama doesn’t know what he is doing…”
(lol)
I could feel my heart racing and my face so hot the whole time. LOL. I wasn’t yelling or anything, but it’s REALLY surprising to usually only argue about this stuff online and then argue about it in person with a stranger. It’s different–I felt physically more frustrated than how I feel online. (I’m sorry, but in my mind, I just thought….this is an Obot. lol) Anyway, we went back and forth for about two more more minutes and then they got off.
I couldn’t help it–I swear, I have never been nosy like that on the trains or anything, but that guy was wrong! LOL. Cool thing is, a woman on the train gave me a big grin after they got off, so I knew she was also a big Hillary supporter! And when she got off, she said “Have a great day!”
I can’t find the post where Brian had the letter to Howard Dean to be faxed and e-mailed tomorrow so I’ll post here. I have my letter printed and ready to go! I hope we hundreds who will do this. I’m totally disgusted with the DNC’s move to Chicago where Obama will be surrounded by his corrupt sleazeballs. Does anyone think we should also mention in the letter that we object to the Party moving?
Re: #97 BrooklynNY on 06.14.08 at 11:54 am
I think that for many people, the passion may not be so much for *61 as it is “against” Bush. The times have created an atmosphere of fear and scarcity. So, the thoughts of “change” have captured the hearts and minds of people.
Based on this assumption, an opposition should be based on how Obama’s ideas aren’t going to bring prosperity (rip it down) because he is so extreme, most won’t go for it anyway (sit n’ spin). Another example is, to pay for the level of overseas funding he wants has to come from somewhere. Our pockets. People don’t like being so giving when they can’t afford gas and milk. His notion of change in politics also aren’t happening -in so far as we all know about his connections -it more of the same. So, what is left?
We want a moderate that can cross party lines to get things done (Hillary or McCain). *61 is a platform of polarization. That is not going to work for anyone.
Just some thoughts…
Best,
JGoldman1
To those who keep posting the webinsider article, it appears to be a National Enquirer style of reporting. It links to an “article” from the jpost that gives a 404 error and is not located in the archives. The jpost is very pro-Nobama, so if there was such an article in the jpost, it would have been in EVERY jewish newspaper.
Here is an excellent thought provoking article regarding the AIPAC speech that indicates all of us are not falling in line. Ignore the paid troll who posted the first comment.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/06/revisiting_obamas_speech_to_ai.html
How are the states pages coming along?
With regards to my area, there is an event in July which has a draw of around 40,000 people every single year, and the DNC usually sets up a table outside the bookstore to get passersby. It would be great if the PUMAs could get a presence as well…of course, that would require someone with more knowledge of politics than I.
Can someone start a list of events by state?
Include mccain, *61 and bigwig events like DNC fundraisers?
I am a little late chiming in on the spouse debate. my husband suppots BO and we had a huge argument last night at dinner. he accused this movement of being selfish-and he for one cannot even beleive we are talking about not voting dem. all the same points that we have all heard. but he is an economist and cannot beleive we would support a canditate that wants to make the tax cuts permanent-no heathcare-pro war-blah blah….he says no one had more experience that rumsfeld and cheney-looked how well that turned out. the BO is bright and we want to beleive the right wing prop. about him to justify OUR actions. “BO didn’t beat up hillary-the media did-get over it-that’s politics-but to blame BO is ridiculous” was my husband quote
also-His family is canadian-and he is all about the heath care—he said he was disappointed in me to turn against everything I beleive in as a democrat–after things calmed down-we agreed to take a breather-ugh-this is going to be a long haul.
Re Post # 103
It’s a different PUMA, I think. Pumaparty. PLease correct me if I’m wrong.
sorry for my typos–that was my “angry typing”
#109, Re: Rahm Emanuel
I saw Rahm Emanuel with Ann Richards in 2004, waiting behind a police baracade with a large crowd of people in Manhattan, NY, to cross the street and get into the Hilton Hotel. John Kerry and Teresa Heinz were holding a fund-raiser. I recognized them. At the time I couldn’t think of his name, but I knew he was one of the players in the Clinton Administration. I thought the woman was Ann Richards, but she was dressed in the “typical, averaqe older White woman fashion,” not looking as well-groomed and impeccably dressed as she usually did when interviewed or covered on TV, so I wasn’t absolutely sure it was her.
OK, maybe I was staring at them a bit….
but I did not say anything to him or approach them, I just sort of looked over every now and then – wondering if it was them.
I guess he didn’t want to be recognized and have to interact with the “little people.” The glaring, arrogant, contemptuous look I got back from him was sort of chilling.
Ann Richards was a little more receptive. I looked over at her and whispered, “Are you Ann Richards?” I got the feeling she didn’t want to be recognized in the crowd, so I whispered the words so only she could hear or see me doing it.
She looked back at me and said in a forceful voice, “Yes, M’am, I am!” Message being, “Yes, I am but I don’t want to bring attention to myself.”
To give her credit, I did appreciate that she didn’t approach the policeman guarding the corner. (George Bush was about to pass through the intersection in his motorcade…They were both in town at the same time). I heard her say to Emanuel, “I have to get in there. We’re going to be late. I’m introducing Teresa.”
But I was not impressed with Emanuel. He looked like a mean person, a bit full of himself, arrogant and contemptuous. Kind of at odds with what I had formerly thought of him.
#67 Murphy
Thank you for emphasizing to stay away from hate and smearing activities.
My 5 cents from the peanut gallery is: “Let’s Focus on the organization of the movement.”
I would like to start identifying Pumas on each state and territorial USA, and develope web pages for all and each one of them, so we can start working towards our own communities and reach out those that do not spend time blogging but are also Hillis and insubordinate democrats.
Let’s spend our energies in consolidating all the factions and our sources in reaching out for the 18 million that voted for HRC.
I enjoyed some of your comments, thank you.
I just want some more action. Grrrr!
Please forgive my ignorance, but what does “*61″ mean? I understand who it represents, but I don’t get it.
#120 c4hill on 06.14.08 at 12:32 pm
Wow. That must make things really hard. My husband is not so much pro-Obama as anti-Republican. He didn’t go to our caucus (which was a ridiculous waste of time anyway), and once we finish moving to PA, he probably won’t know where to vote if I don’t take him.
Could I be that mean knowing that he would be voting for Obama and canceling out my vote? Ummm . . . maybe.
All those in Texas, let me know where and who you are. Let’s have a feline talk and work Puma Pac in the Lone Star.
Cecilia in Austin
A BIG THANK YOU TO -
ELAINE & BRIAN …….. and M U R P H Y
FOR YOUR BRILLIANT LEADERSHIP … IN RECLAIMING
WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY OURS – OUR VOICES, OUR
DEMOCRACY AND OUR COUNTRY!
I’ve been locked out of my ‘gmail’ too. Do we know if this is permanent? Thanks again,
GROWL POWER
Re: The title of the Daily KOS article, just remember what Mahatma Gandhi said:
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
For them to be so aggressive toward us means that we a WORTHY opponent. PUMAs WILL Prevail!
Happy to report no spousal fighting in my house…we agree totally. however just wanted to share that my parents are lifelong conservative republican catholics. needless to say there has always been a “hatred” of the clintons in their house.
over the course of the primary my mother came to appreciate Hillary saying to me “I may not agree with her plan for the country, but at least she has a plan!” My father even called me after oregon and said he wished my girl would have done better.
My folks have never been too supportative of my democratic stance but in this election cycle they have said that they are proud of me for supporting the right democrat.
Now folks you have to understand that my parents are in the 25% that think bush is a fantastic president. the fact that they can warm up to hillary after years of republican annimosity is proof that she is the best candidate to run our country!
Bellecat,
Was just taking a quick look on my break from work at the blogs. I’m a Texas PUMA from houston. I believe Murphy or Maryland puma has the list with my email. I am waiting for some fliers in spanish as we need to really get the word out to the Hispanic population. Let me know if you can’t get the info from Murphy and I’ll go ahead and post it for you. It may take a while for me to post the email address as I’m back to work.
Haven’t posted any messages since joining but I would like to point out an article in the Chicgo Sun Times by Lynn Sweet today.
Obama was holding a fund raiser in Pa. with Rendell and others.
If he has so much money from individual Internet donors – Why does he have to hold fund raisers.
Is the Kool Aid running dry?
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Date: Jun 13, 2008 3:48 PM
Subject:
Hillary Myspace 5 Million challange First Tally
Body:
from the message I posted yesterday. I got alot of responces from people who said they dont think this would work……..
The same people also said they donated last week. So let’s go retro active on this.
Since last week, Just from Hillary supporter’s on myspace the Donations came to $ 9,755.
00
which isn’t anything to sneeze at!!!!
So let’s figure……… If Hillary’s debt is 30 Million, and the DNC is short 15 million for thier convention, let’s show the DNC Hillary can be debt free before thier convention. Let’s show them we would have helped them anyway we could if only they had thier head’s out of thier asses…
I mean if the DNC needs 15 million for thier convention, Why can’t CNN or MSNBC front the money…where are all the supposed Obama supporters with thier help?
Let’s show them why they messed up Big Time. I know thier are alot of groups who recently started with the intent of helping Hillary and they are trying to fund programs for this august, but please consider we need to help Hillary before we even think about Denver.
Murphy, by no means was I trying to post a negative regarding post #61. I agree there are many wonderful Muslims and I do understand that many politicians don the appearal of countries they visit. My only point is his denial regarding he ever was. I apologize to all if this offended anyone, that was not my intention.
I have not contributed to the comments here before, but read through them everyday. Today, I had to jump in. This topic hits home (hard). My husband is my best friend. I respect his opinion on virtually everything — until now. He is entitled to tow the party line if that is how he feels, but I am shocked at how he views my committment to Senator Clinton and to fighting back against a broken system as delusional. That is my word, not his, but it is how he makes me feel. I cannot discuss what is a very important issue for me with my best friend for fear of a head shake, or an eye roll, or worse, and outright argument ( there have been a few nasty ones).
He brought up an article last week about split households in regard to the Dem primaries, and how the Clinton supporters are having to “get over it” now. He doesn’t understand that there is no “getting over it for me”. I saw what happened. I thought he did too. I never would have believed something like this could affect our relationship so strongly.
Thank you for providing a place to vent, and to see that others are in the same position.
Did something have not done in long time, read DK entry. They have gone from saying we are basically dead-enders to now saying Senator Clinton has to disavow PUMA. Were they not the ones who said Senator Obama could not be responsible for what is on blogs? That he should not be held accountable? Now they want Senator Clinton to personally contact every site and blog and tell them to desist. Shows they are no longer ignoring us; they are worried. Keep up the good work!!
Hey MuchADoAboutSomething, did you know that Texas especially Houston and Austin was on the cable news the other night on not switching over and it may be a problem!!
Was in Houston with FEMA…great city, great people, great PUMAS!!
Thanks in advance for reaching the Hispanic voters.
#133
http://www.myspace.com/regularamericans4hillary
http://cityhall@johnnccain.com
This is supposedly for Hillary Clinton Supporters. I won’t be home but hope a PumaPal or two will see it!
Murphy – action alerts like #14 seem to drown out quickly as the blog fills up. Could you add a category on top of the ‘recent comments’ that could show such alerts? That way everyone would see them as soon as they hit the blog. I don’t always have time to read all the posts, unfortunately, so I don’t even know what I might have missed. Also, is there a setting to target the URLs to new browser windows? Yes, I am THAT lazy. Actually, I just keep accidentally leaving the blog. Thx!
RE post #138 Sorry … 3:30 pm EST
I heard it on NPR too – they will NOT back Obama unless he directly addresses immigration.
I am surrounded by Obamabots here in Ventura, CA. These are not kids but adults over 40 and 50 who think he is so eloquent. I said he can’t talk without his telepromter and of course they think he is so refreshing.
Is there anyone here who lives in Ventura County? I would love to know there are fellow Pumas here.
http://clintondems.com/2008/06/elected-officials-voting-for-obama-whos-constituents-voted-for-clinton/
contact these traitors!
MURPHY
Check email for mock up and let me know asap
Urchin child of mine is harrassing me to get in the pool.
And I still have a quiz and discussion due in my American History class. Which incidentally, is covering slavery, suffrage, politics and the Constitution.
Don’t mess with me – I’m EDUCATED!
Maryland PUMA
jadzia
Love the name – isn’t that Star Trek?
I’m in MD and surrounded by bananas too. I don’t let it stop me. I’ve converted quite a few.
For Daily Talking Point:
It’s true, Obama is only where he is because he’s been boosted by Chicago folks like Bill Ayers (whose father, Thomas, had serious political connections), Bernadine Dorhn, Mayor Daley, Tony Rezko (who was bankrolled by Iraqi born billionaire Nadhmi Auchi), Frank Clark, Gov. Blagojevich, and Farrakhan/ Wright/ Pfleger/ Meeks/ Jackson/who all have political clout as well. Emil Jones really helped Obama.
Then, they boosted Obama all the way to the big dem party guys in the Senate…the far lefties liked Obama’s Frank Marshall Davis connection, and also the Chicago socialist, marxist, and communist buddies, so they saw him as someone who was legit as far as far leftie politics. Then big dem elites, in the U.S. Senate, joined up by extension with Chicago dems to push Obama, folks like Dean, Pelosi, Kerry, Kennedy. Kennedy has really helped Obama. Ted Turner is someone to look at too, he’s a UN crazed man, and Obama wants that $845 billion poverty act bill to pass–money from us to UN for Africa et al. Penny Pritzker has also helped Obama a lot.
Then big billionaires like George Soros and others “invested” in the media and activist organizations like MoveOn.
Then the media heads of NBC, etc really helped Obama. These big media companies that control most of our TV news, newspapers and magazines are owned by only a few very wealthy people, and they control their media output to coincide with their political ideologies, which is why things were and are so crazy as far as the Obama-media.
Obama-mania was a cult of personality media-built stunt, and they still have not vetted him, and they protect and promote him, while going after his opponents, and they lack integrity.
Obama is a FIX. Obama is a FRAUD. He was MADE into this. He’s been PLANTED.
PUMAS – New and Seasoned:
Murphy is extremely busy multitasking the blog, tshirt design (w/me), fielding emails from member and sister sites.
I know there is a design in the works for state specific PUMAPAC. Be patient. I know it’s frustrating.
If you need to find a post:
Go to the BOTTOM of the thread. On your menu bar in IE – pick Edit, Find on this Page, and enter some text or user name that you remember from the post.
This will find any occurrences of this phrase or word on the entire page.
I have a list of projects and coordinators. I will post it later tonight. ( I have a neglected kid hollering right now.)
Maryland PUMA
PUMAS
When are you going to realize that *61 is a PUPPET!
He has been PLACED where he’s at precisely because he is malleable and eager to please the powerbrokers.
Our only recourse is to REJECT THE SELECTED AND SELECT THE ELECTED!
[PUMA grin]
Brian
Your letter is awesome. Do we all send the same letter? If so, I will mail my letter.
I had a political discussion with a first time voter that is planning to vote for *61. When I explained my objections to him as President, she did listen. He has only been in the Senate for three years and most of his time, he’s been campaigning for President.
He held zero hearings on Afghanistan for the above reason. He voted present 126 times in Illinois to abstain from voting on tough issues such as gun control. In addition, I described how the party “selected” rather than elected him as the nominee. I believe she really listened to my viewpoint because she couldn’t articulate why she was voting for him.
Let me reiterate, many voters have no clue what *61 stands for or his political track record. It is our job to educate the voters why they should vote for his opponent.
Ladies and gentlemen, girls and boys,
I wanted to let you know about these upcoming meetings.
http://clintondems.com/2008/06/state-organizers-wanted-march-on-denver/
anonymous
Interesting conversation at a wine tasting event last night. As a bunch of us were walking through an 11 acre Pacific Northwest forest (absolutely intoxicating
one very nice gentlemen (who was a Hillary delegate, turned Obama) who knew that I had been very involved in local politics, ask me if I was voting for Obama. I said, no, I’m an Independent and I’ll probably not do that. He questioned in return how I could possibly vote for more of the last 7 1/2 years we’ve had. I responded, “This bitter, old, woman is voting for the future of this country, Hillary Clinton. I’m no longer a Democrat and now an Independent who can vote my conscience.” I did this with a smile and low-key voice. He didn’t say another word about politics to me. So, folks, I’ve learned that it isn’t necessarily what you say, it’s how you say it.
Same party, another person, young woman came and ask me how I felt about the political climate. I’ve know her since she was a young child. I told her I left the Democratic Party because 1) the smears of women, 2) disorganization and direction of the Party, and 3) lead the sheep to slaughter picture that’s going on. (The latter reminds me of an old Charleton Heston movie). Interestingly enough, she felt the same way. So, not all people have gone to the “other side.”
#148 Maryland PUMA, I apologize, but I wanted to ask you–what is *61?
thank you,
anonymous
I said I’d thank you every day so “thanks,Murphy”. How can you do this 24/7?
*61 is 1961, Obama’s birth year and the * I don’t remember, what there was a significance. I’ll research. 1961 was the year Roger Maris hit 61 home runs. I prefer to remember Roger Maris
Yes, that was from Deep Space 9 and also one of my cat’s names. Even the people who supported Hillary are going to vote for Obama! I was told I wasn’t a good Democrat and I really went off and told them my family and my husband’s family are no longer Democrats and no way will Obama get our votes.
So true #149, EWard. That is why it will be important to do outreach on college campuses to have them start to question themselves. Only truth can do that!
Hype and emotions will be gone by November…well maybe not emotions! We will be shouting from sea to shining sea…Yes, we did it!!
PUMA PROJECT & CONTACT LIST
UPDATE: 06/14/08 @ 1:15 pm EST
FLIERS
EMAIL: marylandpuma@gmail.com
SUBJECT: Fliers
SEND ACTION IDEAS
EMAIL: marylandpuma@gmail.com
SUBJECT: ACTION SEND
RECEIVE ACTION IDEAS
EMAIL: marylandpuma@gmail.com
SUBJECT: ACTION RECEIVE
DAILY ACTION FLIER:
EMAIL: marylandpuma@gmail.com
SUBJECT: DAILY FLIER
BLOG MODERATOR BY STATE:
EMAIL: murphy@pumapac.org
SUBJECT: PACMOD
BRAZILE RESPONSES PROJECT:
EMAIL: Murphy@pumapac.org
SUBJECT: BRAZILE
MYSPACE PAGE:
EMAIL: loca2525@hotmail.com
SUBJECT: PUMA MYSPACE
MILLIONWOMANMARCH
EMAIL: mpkforsclinton@gmail.com
SUBJECT: MARCH
FLORIDA & GEORGIA LOCAL ACTIVITY:
EMAIL: dragonflypuma@gmail.com
SUBJECT: FL/GA LOCAL
PAC TSHIRTS & MUGS:
EMAIL: murphy@pumapac.org
SUBJECT: TSHIRT/MUG
CUSTOM TSHIRTS:
EMAIL: hill2thehill@yahoo.com
SUBJECT: PUMA CUSTOM SHIRT
BRACELETS:
EMAIL: toody_ed@yahoo.com
SUBJECT: BRACELETS
BUTTONS:
EMAIL: mpkforsclinton@gmail.com
SUBJECT: PUMA Buttons
POLITICAL CARTOONS:
EMAIL: loca2525@hotmail.com
SUBJECT: Cartoons
NEED COORDINATORS:
Billboards (pricing and best location)
Written verification of Roll Call at Convention
(NEED THIS!)
Daily stats on search engines for PUMA variations
(Where we place on the list)
Liasons to sister sites
(bloggers)
Spanish Translators
(for fliers)
Spanish-speaking activists
(constituent contact)
List compiled of upcoming political events by state (NEED THIS!)
PRICE RESEARCH – bumper stickers
PRICE RESEARCH -car magnets
LIST OF PUMA ‘WANTS’
(what we hope to accomplish)
LIST OF REASONS WHY
(why we are doing this)
LIST OF TALKING POINTS
(to refute *61 claims in conversation)
MD PUMA
Please email me with any additions, edits, or corrections. I will post two updates – at 11 and 4 to catch the Brunch and late afternoon crowd.
REMINDER FOR MONDAY
DAILY ACTION CALL
SEND TO DNC:
Coupons (hopefully expired) for drinks OTHER THAN Kool-Aid.
NOTE: Here’s a small contribution so you don’t have to drink the Kool-Aid.”
SIGNED: PROUD PUMA DEMOCRAT
blog.pumapac.org
Will email daily flier on Monday if I have your edress.
anyone have the DNC addy? I don’t have time to look for it.
My experience with the BObots has been very interesting. Keep in mind that these characters are pretty much like their “master” (without substance) so when dealing with them you have to use BO’s Own words, for example: My biggest issue with BO is his lack of experience.
OBAMA’S OWN WORDS:
Nov/04 after becoming IL next US Senator. when asked by a reporter why he had ruled out running nationally:
“You know, I’m a believer in knowing what you’re doing when you apply for a job and I think that if I were to seriously consider running on a national ticket I would essentially have to start now before having served a day in the senate, now there are some people who might be comfortable doing that, but I’m not one of those people”
Then I challange the BObots to give me specific accomplishments or events that made BO have a change of mind, what made him all of a sudden qualified? Now, I went to the extent of calling the DNC the Monday after Hillary’s Campaign suspension because I’m a FACTS girl and asked this very question and the reply I got from the person who answered the phone at the DNC was: “Well, I don’t have an immediate answer for you at this particular moment but I can do some “research” and call you back”!!!!! Let me tell you guys, when you tell the Bobots stuff like this they go crazy on you but ALL you have to do is to stick to the facts (there are plenty of them out there). There’s no need to get nasty or disrespectful just stick to the facts. These people are like cult members, they are totally brainwashed and delusional. Don’t let them intimidate you!
Thank yous.
Dear Senator Patty Murray (WA State),
Thank you for your early support of Hillary Clinton in the recent primary campaign. You have supported her through one of the most negative races I’ve ever recalled in my 40 years with the Democratic Party. Because of the media’s blatant sexism and the Party’s unwillingness to step out and discredit this behavior, I wrote my resignation to the national, state, and local party in April. I am now an Independent and will vote for the person, not the party. The local caucus process was extremely disorganized and Democratic Party leaders were very divisive. After 12 years as a local elected official having experienced and witnessed obvious and personally-directed sexism, I can no longer support a group that has little or no respect for women. Now, I feel the Democratic Party has also closed out of it’s ranks, women and people of moderate views. I’ve been labeled and called bitter and every ugly comment there could be because I supported Senator Clinton. I’m 63 yrs. old and have been put into a category by the Party as “old, throw-away, don’t matter” because I supported my choice, Senator Clinton. The Party and the “o” campaign have gone too far. I’m far from a hateful and an unforgiving person. I just don’t have time for any of that in my life and I cannot work for organizations that follow that kind of discourse. Thank you for listening. I will continue to support you in your endeavors for our great State of Washington. God bless you in your representation of ALL people.
#117 JGoldman1
I agree with you about why many people are supporting Obama, (i.e. against Bush, rather than pro-Obama). The fact that the DNC/Obama talking points involve a lot of attempts to equate McCain with Bush demonstrates your point convincingly to me.
I also think it’s important to point out the differences between Bush and McCain when the question comes up; there are many. Granted McCain is more to the right than many Dems, but he’s not THAT far to the right, and he’s certainly no George Bush, in personality, background, commitment, preparation for the job, experience, positions on issues, etc.
I agree with you that Obama’s proposals sound great, but they’re all incredibly expensive and there’s no way on this green earth I can see them being passed in Congress. So, all I see is empty promises with NO hope of being enacted, wasted time, a lot of disillusionment in the young, particularly, those newcomers to political involvement who’re so fired up now and are supporting Obama like new converts to a charismatic cult. I find the first part of the above statement very dangerous, the second tragic.
I like your points for counter arguments with people supporting Obama for the reasons you stated. I will keep them in mind and use them if I have the opportunity. Thanks for sharing them with me.
I’ve found that many Democrats, especially people who’ve been lifelong Democrats with an intense commitment to the D. party and a strong aversion and fear of the Republicans, may have their doubts about Obama, but it’s almost sacrilege to openly express that the Republican may be the better candidate in this case.
It’s always been the feeling that ANY Democrat is better than any and ALL Republicans. Up until this election, that’s always been my feeling. But then again, there’s never such an inadequate Dem offered and such a corrupted process to get him there, not in my lifetime. Still, for a lot of people, the leap away from the Dems is still astonomically huge. I think a little psychological denial is involved here; they just don’t want to/can’t believe the Democratic Party has actually done this. I mean, it’s mind-boggling. It’s really hard to swallow. It still seems surreal to me. But it’s real.
So, that’s why I think it’s important to state your position and your reasons for not supporting Obama and/or for supporting McCain, if you do, confidently and unapologetically, to people who can’t make the leap. It may give them some added strength in finally doing the same themselves, in their own time, knowing that they’re not alone in their doubts and reservations.
I was at a recent book signing for Arianna Huffington in NYC. The room was full of liberals and Democrats as you might expect. There was a very nice, older woman sitting next to me. We got to talking about the election. She said she was a strong supporter of Hillary and hoped Hillary would win. I said I was too. We both expressed it wasn’t looking good for Hillary. She said she was going to support Obama if Hillary didn’t get it, reasons being “Democratic unity and all that stuff….He’s better than a Republican.”
I said, “Well, if Hillary loses, I’m supporting McCain, no question about it.” She said to me, “YOU CAN’T DO THAT!” I said, “I can and I will.” I said, “Obama is dangerous; he’s inexperienced, incompetent, has terrible judgment, came from nowhere, has done nothing in his life, except some community organizing. He’s not fit for the job. He’d be terrible for the country.”
She looked horrified at me. Horrified, shaken and quite upset. She said, “McCain would be worse.” I said, “No, he wouldn’t.”
It was clear she was shocked and shaken by what I said. And to tell you the truth, so was I. I heard myself talking, but I almost didn’t believe I was hearing what was coming out of my mouth. At first I found it hard to say outloud to other people what I felt. I find it much less difficult now. I’m getting used to it.
I’m grieving, not only over Hillary being pushed out so viciously, but also over the loss of the Democratic Party I loved and put my hopes in all these years.
Life goes on. We live and learn. And deal with what we’ve got in front of us.
#138 heysandy on 06.14.08 at 12:59 pm
i’ll try to listen. i left 2 questions on the form but i don’t think he’ll address them bc they don’t put him in a good light.
the site said there’d be an audio of the meeting available later.
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5535
“….Now another blogger has torn apart the ‘truth’ posted on the Obama site and notes that the Obama site confirms Michelle Obama did speak at the Rainbow/Push convention!….”
Here is the final copy of the letter to Howard Dean for Monday. It is post number 236 from Friday afternoon. The plan is post number 243.
Dear Dr. Dean,
With all due respect, I write as a deeply devoted Democrat who can no longer support my own party’s leadership or vote for the party’s presidential nominee. I have written to you out of frustration and anger, and now would like an opportunity to explain the basis of that frustration and anger as briefly as I can.
When you became the chairman of the DNC, you called on the Democratic Party to engage in a 50-state strategy that entailed listening to the concerns of voters in all 50 states, representing the interests of voters in all 50 states, and making a real effort to win votes in all 50 states. Your call for a commitment to that goal was commendable.
And yet that is not what is happening. The Obama campaign and many of the Democratic Party’s leaders have rationalized positions that have blocked the realization of that very goal and its underlying principles.
During the nomination process, Senator Obama and his campaign did not support counting all the votes in Michigan and Florida, did not accept a compromise plan that would have allowed new primaries in those states, and completely ignored the voters in states like Kentucky and West Virginia.
At the same time, the DNC and other powerful committees of the party did not investigate evidence of fraud or alleged disenfranchisement of entire groups in states that used caucuses to choose their delegates, did not apportion Michigan’s delegates appropriately as called for by the party’s rules (indeed, the RBC took four delegates from one candidate and gave them to another), and did not protest the many instances of media bias against and belittling of Senator Hillary Clinton until after the part of the nomination process involving primaries and caucuses had been completed and after many automatic delegates endorsed Senator Obama based on the results of those primaries and caucuses.
Your call for a 50-states strategy was based on an important principle of the Democratic Party that would enable us to elect Democrats to positions of power at all levels of our government. My concern now stems from what has happened to the principles that form the bases of our processes for speaking to our leaders and, indeed, for choosing them.
In effect, the party’s nominee was selected and advanced by means of a series of inappropriate actions and inactions. As a result, many deeply devoted Democrats, who, like me, have proudly called ourselves Democrats over the years and who have supported Democratic candidates with our votes and donations, are greatly distressed by a process that has amounted to abandoning our party’s principles of full democratic participation and fair reflection.
I regret to inform you that I will protest the 2008 election and that I will not support our party or its candidates in the future unless its leaders return to our core principles by means of which our party can once again legitimately represent us.
Sincerely,
Puma Democrat
blog.pumapac.org
In coalition with http://www.justsaynodeal.com
Hi Pumas – thanks Murphy for all you’ve done with this site – have been off the grid for a couple of days and just finished checking everything on our site and checking out some of the others. Am going to be ordering my t-shirt & mug – also agree with maybe a white t-shirt – logo would show off so much better.
Sorry Russert died but he was just a political tv person – I feel bad for his family but give me a break – he was just as bad as the rest of the MSM towards Hillary – he also liked the practice of “gotcha” so let’s let him go – why is it that this country likes to do 20/20 of lousy people and make them out to be saints?? Jus sayin’ – still have not seen my letter to the Minneapolis Star Tribune so guess I will have to write another – perhaps I can change (doncha love that word) or tweak it abit to get it published – like I said this is or was a liberal newspaper but they drank some of the koolaid so are partial pod people.
I also sent an email to Amy Klobuchar – one of my state senators (the other is Norm Coleman – former Dem turned Repub – originally from NY) when she came out in endorsing *61 because of his work on ethics – LMAO – advised her that he didn’t do anything on that bill – was handed to him by his “mentor” and that I would never be voting for her again in my lifetime – got a reply back that she was sorry to hear that but she really felt that *61 would be so good for this country (gag, gag, choke) and that her daughter (who’s 10 or something) just thought *61 is wonderful –
My feeling was and is that *61 is a manchurian candidate – if someone can convince me otherwise – I’m willing to listen but it had better be good….anyway that’s my rant, kvetch, hangover remedy for today…..
PS – I will be sending my email letter to Howie tomorrow
How about some kids tee shirts with just the front printed —–Thanks Hillary, We’ll take it from here.
#117 JGoldman1 on 06.14.08 at 12:25 pm
i agree that the passion originated as anti-Bush, anti-Iraq. i did a lot of GOTV calls in 2006 and i was upset at how all the calls for all the candidates seemed to be the same, i.e., change (without much, if any, definition of what change would look like).
but i think we need to give the pro-Obama Dems (the honchos, not most of BO’s followers) credit in running someone who’s amorphous and, therefore, easy to project onto. from a psychological and marketing POV, that’s very savvy. they managed to keep Obama ill-defined during the entire primary campaign. his slogans are vague, his positions are vague and change frequently, etc. so it’s easy for ppl to believe whatever they want when he promises “change”, “unity”, “progress”, etc.
Maryland PUMA
Here is the address for the DNC:
Democratic National Committee
430 S. Capitol St. SE
Washington DC 20003
Main Phone Number: 202-863-8000
#164 mcr on 06.14.08 at 1:33 pm
i noticed that when the Obama camp denied the rumors, they only denied the part about MO’s rant being from the pulpit of Trinity. the never denied the rant itself, just its location.
we can convice or persuede people to vote either way
but I think what we should never do is get very personal, because they have the right to be wrong
but
the people should have” HISTORICAL MEMOIRS”, if not we are bound to commit the same mistakes that have led others to disaster
because history is full of instances where there had been a charismatic megalomaniac leader that have turned the country into the worst nightmeres, THE MOST IMPORTANT FOR THIS TYPE OF LEADERS IS THEIR EGO, THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE, THEY JUST CARE ABOUT POWER, AND THE WAY THEY GET IT, IS SECUNDARY
#135 formerhoosier on 06.14.08 at 12:51 pm
lol. i love it! i love the hypocrisy. thanks for the laugh.
“#169 NoMoreInFL on 06.14.08 at 1:42 pm Maryland PUMA
Here is the address for the DNC:
Democratic National Committee
430 S. Capitol St. SE
Washington DC 20003
Main Phone Number: 202-863-8000″
Is there a fax # to send my letter to Dean?
#168 sassysenora,
Your point about DNC running a candidate who’s amorphous and easy to project onto is very accurate, sassy.
I went on the Obama blog the night after Hillary’s June 7 speech just to see what was happening there. I was amazed to read all the things that were going to change after Obama was elected! All these young people were describing to each other how things were going to be different, better, etc. It was pretty wonderful – this world that we were going to be living in in just a few short months! Quite a Utopia! Problem was: I never once heard Obama say he was going to do ANY of it. Many bloggers had long lists of the changes. Few of these lists matched up. It was bizarre. I almost felt like I was watching the political version of fantasy football or something.
It’s a masterful game they’ve played. Psychological manipulation, combined with Madison Ave. advertising, fear-mongering, replicating the era of the 60’s etc. for all the aging, nostalgic former liberals and activists , throw in a little MLK, JFK, RFK, play on a little White guilt, add some race-baiting, sexism, and now ageism. They’re covering it all.
It’s just too unreal to be true, but, yes, it is true.
in QuickList (Sen. Obama, Rev. Wright, Tony Rezco, and Friends)
go to youtube and type in this name of video..
Just a little pump up for the day !!
#135
Asking Senator Clinton to tell us to shut down would be violating our First Amendment Rights of Free Speech.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdyMfj3bDgs
Sorry, here’s the link….
MarylandPuma
Please add me to the action list:
Send Dean letters to me to be included in the 1,000 letters
Send state pacmod volunteers to me to create a emailing list for actions
Check with ShortTermer about sending members to me to add to a sorted data base
Send thank you to Maryland Puma
I haven’t watched CNN or MSNBC in a long time but I must admit I will be watching McCain’s victory speech there! I would not miss that for the world, he he…..
Off to the pool – can’t put her off any longer.
Back later.
MDPUMA
HEE HEE, thanks MamaPUMA
Will update later this afternoon.
Hi #173 Middle age female
They do not list a fax number and if you want to e-mail them, you have to fill out the form on this site:
http://www.democrats.org/page/s/contact
Probably can copy and paste your letter. I had already sent them a letter during the primary season as an Independent asking them if they were crazy or what for pushing a candidate that all polls showed would not win against McCain.
RE HOWARD DEAN LETTER FOR MONDAY, 16 JUNE 2008
#149 EWard -
The letter for Monday is the product of a collaboration between Elaine and me. My original letter was very different and not nearly as good.
Yes, each person should send the letter on Monday as per the instructions in #14 above. If you copy and paste it into a MS Word file, make sure to change to Times New Roman font and set it to 12 point, restore the spaces betweeen paragraphs and such as it appears in the post at #14, change the margins to .5″ at top and bottom so it will fit on one page, and put your Name Town, ST in the space after “Sincerely.”
If anyone has any trouble setting up the file, email me and I’ll send it to you as an attachment.
brianknoxvilletnpuma@gmail.com
#173 Middle age female
P.S. I sent my letter to Dean via his return address to me that was listed as:
democraticparty@democrats.org
If anyone has a more direct e-mail, please post.
I am off to work and will return Sunday night.
Go PUMAS!!
I love the daily talking point, I’m off to blogging!
Imh, your thoughtful comment is posted. It’s #135 in this thread. First-time commenters sometimes take a bit to post. Your comments will sail through now.
Thank you for joining in the conversation today — hope to hear more from you!
#185 JGoldman1 on 06.14.08 at 2:07 pm
i thought you were referring to the Obamabots being brainwashed/manipulated. i didn’t think you meant anyone would be killed. but thanks for clarifying.
My husband and I are in agreement over not voting for Obama, my son is voting for Ron Paul. One thing I do everyday is visit Politico, No quarter, hillaryclintonforum.org, abcnews, fox news, justsaynodeal, and johnmccain.com. I look for Obamabutts and read through all their posts and write one email to answer all of their “but’s”. The one thing that is universal is that they believe these blogs, pro hillary blogs, are all republican fronts, they just can’t beleive we would be dems that are voting for McCain. Now McCain does believe we are Hillary Dems. So which group is in denial? Have any of you seen the picture on McCain’s website of the Hillary Dem with the McCain stickers on her Hillary sign? The other universal arguement is that if Hillary is backing Obama, then we would back him since she said so. That irks me. My argument that we think for ourselves, and we are not party ideologues, and we won’t drink the kooky kool aid, just rolls off of them. I have come to the conclusion that you cannot argue with the kool aid. But what we can do, is tell them their arguements hold no water for us, that we are as adament in our rejection of dean, pelosi, brazille (and she is top of my list, I swear I cannot tolerate that woman), and Obama as they are in supporting the Golden child. We will not in any way, shape, or form, support an unqualified, inept, inexpereinced, windbag like Barack Obama. What is really sticking in my crawl now, is they are denying that there was any sexism at all in the primary. They have just relegated that as not really sexism, but “good old fashioned campaigning”. That really Pisses me off!
#189 murphy on 06.14.08 at 2:13 pm
lol, murphy some of my comments yesterday took a while to post. of course, they didn’t get posted at all on CNN, MSNBC, or one other news site. or on no quarter.
i feel like a pariah.
is anyone joining McCains conference call today at 3 to ask about his position on Roe v Wade … I can’t find the link to sign up, but hope some PUMAs are there.
#186 Brian Knoxville TN on 06.14.08 at 2:09 pm
brian, i’m assuming that’s a snark (re: font size and type, etc.). thanks!
sassy, no quarter is still having problems with their server. They lost a lot of posts and are trying to recover them. They have been under attack by Obams cyberthugs, spamming etc. Look a little later today, they may have recovered them by then.
sassysenora,
We are in sensitive times -and since this is the internet, it is too easy to take things for granted. I just wanted to make things clear up front. Sigh…
#193 Elaine on 06.14.08 at 2:16 pm
link to John McCain conference call. Sign up if you’re interested. Or send him a question or two.
http://cityhall.johnmccain.com/
#193 Elaine,
I’m joining the McCain conference in a few minutes.
Hi…I am new here on this blog…I have been going through withdrawal since Hillary’s blog is not active anymore. I miss all the wonderful Hillary supporters that were there. I am a Hillary supporters and I have been mad as hell at the DNC and the superdelegates that selected BO as a nominee and betrayed the will of the people.
Good morning -Hill fans and P.U.M.A. dems
Just sharing a thought -since i know how obots check mccain,s site ,i make sure ,i blog there and leave at least 10-15 comments for pro-hill /pro-mccain and anti-obama.
Because i do want media to notice increased blogging and increased traffic at mccain,s site .
#196 JGoldman1 on 06.14.08 at 2:20 pm
you’re right. i’ve written a few things that i later realized could be interpreted in ways i definitely did not mean.
#136 formerhoosier -
If anyone here has any doubts about whether or not we are making a difference, they should put those doubts to rest right now. The Obama campaign and the DNC are asking Senator Clinton to put a lid on us, to disavow us, and so we know that they are worried.
I believe that Senator Clinton absolutely will not disavow us. We are the reason she has fought so hard. She wants us to be heard. She demanded that we be heard. And they continued to ignore us. Worse, they began to spread rumors that we are “falling in line behind them.”
But now we are being seen and, more importantly, heard. Unfortunately, under the current leadership of the Democratic Party, this is the only way to make them listen. It shouldn’t have to be this way, but this is the only option they gave us. Let their abandonment of our party’s core principles be what fuels us to push on and never stop.
I believe that we’re doing exactly what Senator Clinton wants us to do, and I for one have no intention whatsoever of stopping.
Democratic Underground takes note:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×6333875
thanks to hireheels
For any new people check out the myspace page-
myspace.com/pumapac
And sign the petition – http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/We-Want-Hillary-In-The-White-House
where can I find a list of all superdelegates and who did they endorse.
Unfortunately, under the current leadership of the Democratic Party, this is the only way to make them listen. It shouldn’t have to be this way, but this is the only option they gave us.
i agree that this is one of the few ways we can get the Dems to listen to us.
i think a better way may be to work against downticket Dems who were disloyal to Clinton. by that, i mean those Senators and Congressppl who endorsed Obama but represent a state (if Senator) or district (if Congressperson) who voted for Clinton. i’m just starting to look to see if that’s feasible for my area. i know one Congressman who is high up on the list of Repub targets. i need to look up the Repub who’s running against him and see if i can stomach doing GOTV for or sending $$$ to him (her? but it’s probably a him bc the Repubs here seem very sexist). i want to do that for all the unfaithful Congressppl in my area.
i think that Pelosi, Reid, and Dean don’t care if Obama wins AS LONG AS HIS CAMPAIGN HELPS DOWNTICKET DEMS. i want their strategy to backfire.
The only “change” that Obama brings to America is the prerogative to change his mind when it suits him…
OMG I just did a dictionary.com spell check for the word above and this is the definition of “prerogative”…
pre·rog·a·tive Audio Help /prɪˈrɒgətɪv, pəˈrɒg-/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[pri-rog-uh-tiv, puh-rog-] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. an exclusive right, privilege, etc., exercised by virtue of rank, office, or the like: the prerogatives of a senator.
You can’t make this stuff up!
“187 NoMoreInFL on 06.14.08 at 2:10 pm #173 Middle age female
P.S. I sent my letter to Dean via his return address to me that was listed as:
democraticparty@democrats.org
If anyone has a more direct e-mail, please post.
I am off to work and will return Sunday night.
Go PUMAS!! ”
I wonder if a lot of us e-mail him there, that his e-mail box will be too full and kick some back? I would like to fax mine to him is possible.
BrianKnox #202
Couldnt agree more. HOWEVER, my expectation is that, for POLITICAL reasons only, she will be forced to “distance” herself from groups like ours. So I’m prepared for that.
We must listen VERY CAREFULLY to everything she says. First thing to remember is, as she said, only Hillary Clinton speaks for Hillary Clinton, so if i dont hear it straight from her I’m taking it with a BIG grain of salt.
Second, we’re an unconnected PAC. that means we have absolutely zero coordination with any campaigns. We speak as a group for ourselves and under our own direction.
Also, there are very important reasons that we want this forum and site to be free from hate, bias, and rumor-mongering. We are serious of purpose and firm of heart. We will offer no vulnerabilities for the other side to attack or subvert.
Let them reduce themselves to ridiculing us with sexist insults or worse. In this case, that really DOES reflect back on them in an extremely unflattering way.
Remember Pumas, we are serious of purpose and firm of heart.
#206 mg4hillary on 06.14.08 at 2:24 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_(United_States)_superdelegates,_2008
jgoldman #202
done.
Well said Murphy…put that on the t-shirts!
“Puma…serious of purpose and firm of heart”
Thanks, Murphy!
Friday night updates from the Washington State Democratic Convention: I received a call from two people at the convention. Our governor, Christine Gregoire actually compared *61 to the Daliai Lama. The state Democratic Chairman, Petz compared him to JFK. The convention is pretty much a *61 lovefest. My two contacts are Hillary supporters and are keeping their eyes and ears open. They heard one Obamabot comment, in a smug tone, that “rumors” were going around that Hillary supporters were planning to vote for McCain…but of course that wouldn’t happen. The bots are looking like the cat that ate the canary and assume we will all drink the Koolaid with them. Overall a fairly depressing convention. The Hillary supporters light up when they see each other…so nice to see another rational person. The good news is that the PUMAs are being underestimated and the smugness will turn to shock in November when the chosen one is not chosen by the people.
#158 MarylandPuma
I would be willing to help out anywhere I possibly can and would also like to through out you the idea of having a conference call, There is a free conference calling service (i believe there is a maxium of 50 users) and might be easier to organize some efforts to form groups to fill these spots.
I’m not sure if this would be beneficial or not just something I thought might be a tool or resource.
Let me know at robby33441@gmail.com and I’ll be
happy to forward the information about how to dial into the free conference service.
#202 and #200
we have to expect that the oBAMAcrats will pressure Hillary Clinton into at least a minimum “repudiation”of the Pumas arguing that she could cause catastrophic schism in the party and ultimately going against her own interests and believes.
ACTION HELP NEEDED URGENT!
http://clintondems.com/2008/06/maryland-dnc-delegate-won’t-commit-to-vote-for-obama/
This thread at clintondems.com is about people, delegates, needing help to stand up for HIllary at the convention. Some indivituals in trouble needing help immediately.
Wisconsin Democratic Hillary delegate switches to McCain, “stuns Democratic Party:”
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=762052&format=print
(sorry – you may have to cut and paste this, don’t know if it will come across as “clickable”…)
#212 webfoot on 06.14.08 at 2:41 pm
not all of us will vote for McCain. i am happy for those of you who can do that without too much pain. some of us can’t. some will only if McCain changes and i’m not sure how much he can change without alienating his base.
many hillary supporters are still homeless; we’ve been kicked out by the Dems and won’t fit in at all with the Repubs.
I just received a request from Barry and Michelle to contribute to their campaign. I wrote PUMA across it on both sides in huge letters with a red sharpie and mailed it back to them.
#217 sassysenora…
You are right and I am homeless too.
JGoldman1
I understood what you meant re: the comment you asked to have removed. I do see that similarity too. The Obama campaign also reminded me of the old movie, “The Candidate,” with Robert Redford playing a presidential candidate. He’s a great candidate. People love him. His campaign is fabulous, successful. Then he wins. Only problem is he hasn’t a clue how to do the job. He’s lost. He was a great candidate, but that’s it.
#218 Mama Puma,
You go girl!
Goodness gracious, I was just at the democratic underground and daily kos and huffington post, does the DNC and the media and Obama, do they realize what they’ve done?
They have divided the democratic party in two and they have unleashed all that hatred!!!
Those people are not fighting for a just cause, they are hateful, filled with hate, pure and simple.
Instead of the DNC taking a second look at what they’ve done, reconsidering the two candidates, and seeing Clinton as the only candidate who can truly unite the party and win in November, they’re sitting back allowing this to happen.
SHAME ON THE DNC, SHAME ON THE MEDIA, SHAME ON BARACK OBAMA AND HIS SUPPORTERS.
YES, PUMA PAC and all the other pro-Hillary Clinton sites are serious and believe me we mean business.
This is a movement people, we’re not just some “emotional wimmin” and a few other awful names they have for us.
#219 ABinNY on 06.14.08 at 2:53 pm
at least we have some company. there are some other ppl who’ve posted similar thoughts here, too.
MG4Hillary=
The easiest and one that I have used to send my email to all States for both Senators and Uncommitted – http://www.lobbydelegates.com
You can use your own wordperfect or email – copy and paste onto their body and off it goes – and its free if you use the email and post portion.
Have fun – I did.
Brian, I posted your “unposted” comment on the Out the Other Ear blog. It went up about 30 minutes ago, but may not be there now. Thanks for placing your hand on my back. Love the PUMAS.
Also, N. Lee’s #109 post – I emailed each of those given edresses. One of them no longer works there. Here is the OUT OF THE OFFICE response from the other one:
Connery, Kathleen to me
show details 2:02 PM (53 minutes ago) Reply
I will be out of the office from May 29th through the first week in August. In my absence, please contact Nick Papas or Amanda Anderson with any requests.
Nick Papas
Nick.Papas@mail.house.gov
202-225-1400
202-225-1157 (Direct)
202-731-7397 (Cell)
Amanda Anderson
Amanda.Anderson@mail.house.gov
202-225-1400
202-225-7286 (Direct)
202-731-7398 (Cell)
217 and 219 Sassysenora & ABnNY,
I TOTALLY understand how you guys feel but the way I see it is a vote for McCain is a vote AGAINST BO and the CORRUPT DNC!
#225 ShortTermer,
Saw it – THANK YOU!
http://outtheotherear.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/a-discussion-with-a-disgruntled-hillary-supporter/#comment-177
For those of you who are sick of seeing my responses to ShortTermer’s friend Marc, I assure you this is the last one…
Marc,
I apologize for the condescending tone that I used in making some of my points. Be aware, however, that pointing out that another person has a limited range of knowledge on the topic under discussion, or that he or she is using particulars selectively to formulate generalizations, does not constitute personal attacks. It’s done all the time in debates. What I was pointing out is that you have a tendency in your arguments to make two of the six most obvious logical fallacies in the art of rhetoric. Also, having apologized for my tone at times, I’d like to point out that your tone when debating with others isn’t much better, if it is better at all.
I did not mean to say that education is bs. I said that I’ve spent most of my life at universities, so obviously I don’t think that education is bs at all. I only said that waving your degree in someone’s face the way you did is bs. You did it first, and I only did it back as a response. Your arguments should stand on their own w/o you waving credentials around to support them, because they don’t.
On facts, your assertion that the rules call for a minimum fine for moving the primary dates up in the schedule is a halving of the delegates (emphasis on minimum) is correct. But to say that the RBC decided to remove all the delegates because the DNC was ticked at Michigan and Florida for continuing to refuse to move their primaries back again after repeated warnings is a distortion of the facts.
First, as you yourself noted, the RBC did not have to eliminate all the delegates, that they could have just halved them. So they chose to do it and, as a result, they created a huge problem that never needed to exist.
Second, what actually happened in Michigan and Florida that led to a moving up of their primaries was different for each state. The DNC was only ticked at the Democratic leaders of Michigan. Should they have eliminated all the delegates from Florida because they were ticked at Michigan? And, ticked or not, was it politically expedient for the general election in November or fair at all to the voters in Michigan and Florida to deprive their states of all their delegates when the rules allowed for a sufficient punishment by halving the delegates? Did the millions of voters in those states change the dates? No. And, in November, will either state be stripped of its electoral votes, which are essential for any Democratic nominee to win the presidential election? The Democratic Party will need those voters in November. The move was obviously stupid on the part of the RBC, in addition to the fact that it was just plain counter to the principles of the Democratic Party and wrong.
Honestly, you seem to be determined to win arguments rather than to listen and think and engage in a productive debate, so I’m just going to say that I commend you for your efforts to inform yourself and to engage in political discourse. I’m movin’ on.
Vale!
We have a couple that we hang out with – the wife is pro HRC but the husband is pro Obama. His arguement is that Obama’s policies are so similar but we need someone with Charisma that is able to rally the people.
We jumped on him like soy on rice but I think his pro HRC wife did not like that. So when I email her little bits of news, only responds with the non political ones.. Which makes me mad because they seem to want to keep their heads in the ground.
#226 Roxy in cali on 06.14.08 at 2:58 pm
i may vote McCain or i may vote McKinney. i won’t vote BO.
the real vote against the DNC, Pelosi, and Reid is to vote against any downticket Dems who endorsed Obama despite their district (HoR)/state (senator) voting for Clinton. i think that will send a much more important message to them. that can be tough, too, bc some of the Repubs running against the unfaithful SDs are right-wing. many are anti-environment. some are bigots. but if we want to send a clear message to the DNC, Pelosi, and Reid, we need to send the unfaithful Dems packing in Nov.
#222 bruce555,
I am sorry to hear this news, but the fact is Hillary Clinton has had the moral highground on most of these fights since February, and, at least in my opinion, we are absolutely on the right side. Moreover, we are right to continue fighting. It would be so easy for everyone just to fall in line with the Obama Campaign and the DNC and with media that just want us to open up and swallow what they’re serving the American people.
#226Roxy,
I can’t vote for McCain and I won’t vote for Obama. If he wins at least I won’t have helped him. I know that is immature but I can’t help it.
If anyone can convince me otherwise, I’m listening.
It’s amazing how many sites have become infested with paid Obama bloggers spewing his BS talking points. Keep up the good fight PUMA’s counter their talking points with facts and site reliable sources. And every time you see an Obamaton pretending to be a Clinton supporter making racist comments, call them on it! We can not allow them to dismiss us as a bunch of Republican moles or racists as they have been desperately trying to do. It is about to implode on them! The DNC is what $15 million behind in fund raising I believe. These Obamatons are NOT donating to the DNC like they hoped they would. We are the Democratic party, the kool aid drinkers may donate to Obama, but they only follow him. The DNC elite’s will be forced to realize the ones they pissed on are the ones who put them into office, and we will gladly remove them from those same offices!
Those you see following the Obamessiah are not Democrats, though the species may try to look similar. They are in fact nothing but JACKASSES!
P.U.M.A.
I disagree with McCain 100%. I would have voted for Senator Obama had he won the nomination “fair and square”, but he didn’t, so I won’t.
Unless something drastic happens to change the outcome of the DNC abominable nomination result, this urban, green, feminist, kucinich supporting, lifelong knee-jerk liberal Democrat, who also enjoys the occasional latte, will vote for John McCain.
My vote is the equivalent of two votes: one vote less for Senator Obama, and one more vote for Senator McCain that Obama has to match and exceed.
I’m voting against the DNC/RBC/Obama, who seemed to believe that we’d all be between a rock and a hard place after 8 years of Bush’s disasterous policies, and that we’d be hardpressed to not vote for the Democrat selectee. I’m not willing to support their manipulations and off-putting expectations.
ABinNY, staying home is a perfectly legitimate PumaPAC way to Protest the 2008 Presidential Election.
The right of EACH AND EVERY American citizen to vote with a secret ballot in a private voting booth is a fundamental, foundational principle of Puma PAC. What the DNC did to democrats in Florida and Michigan was unconscionable and antithetical to the principles of representative democracy.
What the big-shots thought they could get away with in the short-term is turning into quite the losing strategy for the long term.
Remember, the democratic party is still going to be here on November 5th. What’s it going to look like? Who’s going to be in charge? This job of ours is a big one, and it will take determined, sustained action.
Goalucard4Hill,
thank you for the list of delegates, I’m off to Word and send off my message to them.
Question: Can I send a message to all or just my own state of Florida?
Here is what I see. The huge Obama rallies attract a lot of teen agers who can’t vote for anyone. They hold these events during school hours so the kids blow off school get really excited and go to the event to mingle with other kids who are there. When Obama was in Seattle my daughter had 5 kids in her highschool classes on rally day. These kids look like adults from a distance but they will not be voting for anyone. The media never mentioned any of this. I do not think arguing with these young emotional people will get you anywhere, they will mature in time meanwhile they can’t vote. You need to be firm and steady and clear about your beliefs in time they will come around. Most of them are ignorant of history but they are not stupid.
I do argue bluntly with “feminists” it is amazing to see lesbians who could not possibly need an abortion and women over 40 who couldn’t need and abortion clinging to the idea that abortion rights are the be all and end all of womens rights. These women need to wake up and realize that a non sexist media and the ability of women candidates to run for office with out being mocked and ridiculed is far more important to the world and feminism. I also point out that the media, DNC and Obama have equated sexism with racism, gone out of their way to focus on not being racist and therefore dismiss the idea that they are sexist or that sexisim exists. This is ridiculous bull. I also point out that Obama attracts men who are filled with hate and feel righteous about publicly spewing it. And it is time to point out that obama was raised by a Muslim step father and in Muslim school until he was 12. You know how Muslims treat women so it is not surprising that he smirked and kept his mouth shut while the old men were spewing Hillary hate and that is what he is going to continue to do regarding women’s issues. I also point out to these women that the DNC thinks they are communing with women by putting Michelle O in Vogue and on “the View” and by putting Caroling K in a ceremonial, token appointment on the VP committee, and having only women talking the DNC talking points on TV. As if we didn’t already know that the DNC is happy with women in supporting roles but not with a super competent Hillary in the white house. WAKE UP FEMINISTS!
There are too many things about obama that have been listed as politically incorrect to discuss. Well it is time to be un politically correct. Definitely an independent group needs to run a biography of him and some of his quotes, put it on youtube, why pay to have people see it.
#234 Murphy,
Gotcha! thanks.
New mock-up of the tshirts up here. Thanks to maryland puma. They look fabulous.
http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/06/13/puma-pac-gear-now-available/
Please buy one or two if you can — we will be using the money for advertising, outreach, and more advertising.
#231 ABinNY on 06.14.08 at 3:03 pm
you’re in NY so it probably won’t matter if you vote for JM. unless the race is close, you may as well vote green or for another 3rd party. that’s what i’m doing. so far, CA is likely to go to BO. unless the race is close, i’m voting for McKinney.
Maybe there has already been a post regarding #216, but I think we should contact the reporter and let him know that there are many that feel the same way. Maybe he will want to do an article on PUMA and what we are all about. The reporters email address is on this link. http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=762052&format=print
#217 sassysenora I totally respect your decision not to vote for McCain. My point wasn’t clear in my post (#212). What I was trying to get across was the the bots didn’t believe that the Hillary supporters were not all going to fall in line behind *61. I respect whatever choice each supporter makes. I do not understand the people who switch to *61 yet the whole premise of our country is have the right to vote your choice and have your vote count. Which, of course, leads back to why the PUMA site exists. Our votes didn’t count.
Short Termer
Please email me at MamaPumaMass@aol.com.
I have loaded the list of Puma’s into a database that we can sort and add email to.
I want to send it to you or if you don’t mind, you can send me the updated list and I will keep track of it.
Let me know what is best for you.
thanks
Seattlegirl #236 wrote “a non sexist media and the ability of women candidates to run for office with out being mocked and ridiculed is far more important to the world and feminism. ”
amen sister.
I am curious, I read many other blogs and they are very blow hard Obama so how have these people been kept out of PUMAs boards? It must be a lot of work and I thank you for doing it.
SG#244
you have no idea.
they are DESPERATE to get in here and start trouble, spreading divisiveness and hate with their condescension and barely controlled violent anger.
I may post a few late tonight so we can throw some virtual rocks while sipping cocktails.
Just kidding!
#239 sassysenora, that makes good sense, thanks. I knew what I was doing, I just didn’t know why.LOL
236 Seattlegirl on 06.14.08 at 3:08 pm
Obama himself has been horribly misogynistic throughout this primary season. he made many misogynistic remarks and attacks against Clinton. it’s not just his campaign or his supporters.
in addition to his many sexist or misogynistic remarks and actions, he encouraged the misogyny by the MSM and his supporters by never speaking out against it. he realized that he benefited from it so he remained silent. i don’t believe that it was anything but a calculated move to harm women in order to advance his campaign.
Malik Obama confirms his half-brother Barack grew up a Muslim
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12918.htm
#236 Seattlegirl You are so right about the event in Seattle. O’Dea High School actually sent its students by bus to the rally.
of course, leads back to why the PUMA site exists. Our votes didn’t count.
exactly. so many of the Obamabots don’t seem to respect our right to make our own decision about POTUS (or other matters). their efforts to suppress the vote, intimidate voters, intimidate other bloggers, flood anti-Obama or neutral blogs with cut and paste posts so that anyone who doesn’t want Obama can’t discuss the election, the efforts to take down Clinton web sites, etc. is so un-American. these supporters, many of them well-educated, are scary. they don’t respect the freedom to exchange information, the freedom to have your own opinion, or the freedom to choose which candidate you support. this gets entangled with misogyny, classism, and ageism, all of which tend to support the idea that only certain ppl should make their own decisions. in the end, both freedom and equality suffer. it’s ugly and it violates every core principle of our democracy.
#231 ABinNY,
Many years ago my entire family and I had to flee our country of birth for political persecution. I know what is like to want to say how you really feel about this or that issue and not be able to speak because your government does not allow it. America is to me and my family THE PROMISED LAND. I know we have many things wrong in this country but we have more RIGHTS than wrongs. The “LIBERATION THEOLOGY” doctrine that Obama is a disciple of was at the forefront of what caused the destruction in my country of origin, so you better believe that now that I see it raise its head in the USA in the form of a Presidential nominee I HAVE NO PROBLEM FIGHTING AGAINST IT WITH ALL I’VE GOT. And no, I’m not going to flee this time, I’m going to take the bull by the horns if that means VOTING FOR MCCAIN! Because one thing is clear in my head, and that is the fact that McCain is not going to sell our country to our enemies and break bread with them!
Now, I can understand that if you’ve always lived in this great nation and have never lived thru something like what me and my family went thru, it would be difficult to relate to my experience. If we allow BO to be president, we are not going to recognize our country in a few months, don’t believe me? Just take a look at how he has TAKEN OVER THE PARTY already! Also, don’t you find it interesting how all the extremists and America haters around the world are “pleased” with BO and can’t wait for him to be elected president so they can seat down with him and “mend” fences with the USA?!!! And if we think things are bad now, believe me we have not seen anything yet!
#250 sassysenora Well said.
Your Northern Neighbor,
Thanks for joining. Respectfully, it doesnt matter to Pumas if Obama is a muslim, jewish, a christian, a pagan, or if he worships a statue of Winnie the Pooh every morning and night.
Obama is a disastrous candidate because of his inexperience, his terrible judgment, his arrogance, and his policies.
We try diligently to avoid rumor-mongering and smearing here.
Thank you for joining in — hope you’ll stick around and make yourself at home.
#253 murphy on 06.14.08 at 3:30 pm
thank you, murphy, for the site and for all your efforts on behalf of it.
Susie1945:
“Sorry Russert died but he was just a political tv person – I feel bad for his family but give me a break – he was just as bad as the rest of the MSM towards Hillary – he also liked the practice of “gotcha” so let’s let him go – why is it that this country likes to do 20/20 of lousy people and make them out to be saints?? “____________________________________
My sympathies go out to Russerts family and friends for their loss, but, I always thought Russert was biased, and his “gotcha” tactics were, in the main, reserved for Democrats.
That his colleagues are now touting him as “a giant of journalism” makes me gag. Revisionist history.
#171 – I found a link giving a detailed description of MO’s rant. According to it, BO’s denial did circumvent the nature and existance of it by denying the details. That would be another example of his clean government. We will see.
Link following:
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=377798626&blogID=402174456
Hi Mac-I just sent an email to the journalist in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. I have directed him here and to justsaynodeal
OMG, I AM ON THE VIRTUAL TOWNHALL with McCain right now!
#253 murphy:
“Thanks for joining. Respectfully, it doesnt matter to Pumas if Obama is a muslim, jewish, a christian, a pagan, or if he worships a statue of Winnie the Pooh every morning and night.”
I wrote and deleted almost that same response. I deleted it because, on second thought, I thought the poster may have been speaking to Obama lying, more so that what religion he practiced. Perhaps the poster will take the time to clarify.
#155 Mayor0102, thank you for responding to me.
anonymous
#253-thanks Murphy-well said-I really dislike this attention to Barack Obama’s religion
#255 DancesWithPumas – my point exactly – walks on water too……………………..just like the Obamessiah…we WILL remember in November………….
Thanks for the link to the DK, I cannot stand that blog but was interested while reading it, I noted that the tone had changed, they weren’t spewing off their vitriolic comments, they seemed to be strategizing about what to do about us. Seems as if we have become a thorn in their side.
Onward and upward soldiers,
be back later
#257 mpk on 06.14.08 at 3:36 pm
Yay! i’m glad at least one of us got called.
they didn’t call me, even though i left my number first thing this AM. maybe i signed up too late.
are there a lot of ppl on the call? please let us know what was said after you finish the call. thanks!
S#258 hortTermer
Did they call you to set it up? I’m still waiting for their call….I don’t want to miss it!
#252 webfoot on 06.14.08 at 3:29 pm
thank you. i’m very upset about how the DNC and many Obamabots are blithely willing to sell our core principles for Obama’s empty slogans.
Thanks MPK, it would be great if we can go some good press.
Hello everyone, just to update, here is the link to the myspace page – myspace.com/pumapac
Also, here is the petition – http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/We-Want-Hillary-In-The-White-House
Just wanted to join the conversation, I live in Ohio and have been a strong Senator Clinton supporter from the onset of her campaign. I woked around the clock for her in the months and weeks leading up to our primary, and then continued on for the next round, and ended up in D.C protesting the rbc meeting. I am a single Mother of 3 strong, capable, loving and intelligent children. My children range in age from 16 to 22, I have 2 girls and 1 boy. My 22 year old daughter is getting ready for an internship in D.C and then plans on attending law school, she is a STRONG SUPPORTER OF SENATOR CLINTON, and she worked tirelessly as well on all the above mentioned. Now obviously my 16 year old is not yet eligible to vote, and that would be my other daughter, which now leads me to my 18 year old son. We have discussed at length this election process and his conclusions are his own, for I have never forced my thinking on my children. He has commented several times on the gender bias which has plagued this entire campaign, he was never an active participant as my daughter and I were, but he cotinued to follow the process as it played out in the media. Now I can not say that being surrounded by 3 strong capable women 24 hours a day has not left some impression on him, because he really does see women as equal on all levels. Lately we have been talking about our votes in this, his FIRST VOTE IN A GENERAL ELECTION FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Now these are his findings and his alone, he believes Obama to be extremely arrogant, misleading, untrustworthy and down right unqualified for this most important position. He checked all of his facts, over and over again, he says he will cast his first ever general election ballot for John Mccain, his exact words are, he finds him trustworthy, patriotic, experienced and most of all respectful of women, especially Senator Clinton. I applaud my son in his efforts to look closely at all candidates and align himself with the one he believes has morals much like his own, however we can never underestimate the impact that STRONG WOMEN have in the lives of girls, and yes even boys! I am proud to have raised such a wonderul son that sees women not just as housewives and mothers but equals.
Hello Everyone, check out this article –
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/14/dnc-convention-committee-faces-15-million-shortfall/
DNC is facing problems with fundraising.
#269 Michelle 47,
Kudos for raising a young man with a back bone! I bet he gets bullied by the BObots.
#259 DancesWithPumas
I apologize if I have unintentionally offended anyone by my posting of the link on Obama’s possible religious background. I deeply respect all religions.
Your are correct, however, that my point is that Obama has tried vehemently to cover up and deny his religious background and blatantly lied to the American people right from the start. This is just only one of the many issues that go to the heart of his character problem.
#272 your northern neighbour-thanks for the clarification-no personal offense taken-we are just trying very hard and most often successfully to keep our comments on point-many Obama sites I hear are pretty awful and virulent-this isn’t what we are about -we are actually grown ups here
Re: Riverdaughter’s post and the teleconference she writes about for John McCain and Hillary supporters. Here’s the email I just sent:
“Hello,
My husband and I are interested in the teleconference for Hillary Clinton Supporters and John McCain. Can we get some more information on how we might participate?
Thank you very much,
Cate XXX, PUMA Democrat
John XXX, PUMA Republican”
[Yeah, that's right, my husband is a died-in-the wool Republican who is very upset he will not get the chance to vote for Hillary. He joined PUMA yesterday. He may not be the first PUMA Republican - but he's a very devoted one.]
Just wanted to continue putting this on please sign the petition – http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/We-Want-Hillary-In-The-White-House
does anyone know about cheap accommodations in Denver? or about public transit? i’d need transportation that’s wheelchair accessible. TIA.
At one point today or yesterday … someone asked about ideas for PUMA songs. I find myself listening over and over to Helen Reddy’s ‘I Am Woman’ from the 1970’s.
[e.g.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM207Ap8smA&feature=related
I wonder if we could get permission to use the song changing 'woman' to 'PUMA' ... ['I am PUMA, hear me roar, in numbers too big to ignore ...']. Anyone know about permissions involved in borrowing a song ..
Hi, everyone. Firstly, Thank you Murphy for this site and also for including the fab pictures of what the shirt looks like from front and back.
Also, been in touch with the coordinator of millionwomanmarch and he/she already submitted for the permit to rally even though the city is saying they are no more. However, I also received word from another blogger saying that the folks at clintonforum.com already has a permit to do a rally in Denver (just in case anyone is interested in where we’re at with this and plan to attend).
There is a really outrageous post on NoQuarter right now of a a Clinton national delegate who is being bullied and stripped of her credentials because she exercised her freedom of speech saying that she would vote for McCain if Hillary isn’t the nominee. I am getting really upset by the tactics of the DNC members and I hope we work extra hard to get more members here and more people aware of these things. Like Harriet Christian said at the RBC gathering “this is not my America!”
Second opportunity of the day.
I just got a request for a donation and to fill out a survey for the DNC. I wrote PUMA in huge red lettes on all of the pages, put this website address on it and mailed it back.
Made my day!
RE: #253
I disagree. Besides Nobama’s inexperience, arrogance and lack of judgement, his religion is for me another factor. YES, I would not vote on the basis of whether he is christian, muslim, etc., BUT, his religious upbringing is why he is what he is. Black Liberation Theology teaches radical activism, marxism and hatred. SO, it has influenced my thinking on and about him.
Roxy in cali, you can truly only be bullied if you yourself allow it, what we need in this world are more people willing to stand up and fight. Everyone complains of war but where are the mass protests of said war. We all complain of high oil prices, once again where are the people taking to the streets. I will not allow myself or anyone else I know to be bullied into submission, I WILL BE IN DENVER PROTESTING LOUD AND PROUD about the demise of this once great party, It is high time we take our party back, and end once and for all this sham of an election, and the selection not election of this unqualified junior Senator from Illinois. I hope that we show up in great numbers and show these elected officials that they do indeed WORK FOR US!!!!
Good saturday Pumas! I live in California and so the presidential campaign is generally a “given” for the Democratic candidate. My mindset is focussed on local issues and when it’s time to vote, I may or may not tick-off BO’s name, depending on my mood as the race should be a blowout in CA. However…. should CA be put into play by events in the campaign then I want to be ready to react to demand concessions and reforms from CA DNC members, Pelosi et al, so that we get meaningful change and combat the hijacking of the party. I would really like to know if there is an California oriented group in place ready to organize and react to that potential opportunity. Thanks Pumas!
#276 sassysenora
I posted yesterday that I’m working on a list of hotels and motels of nearby cities/towns of Denver. We have a light rail system and yes, it’s wheelchair accessible. In my list, I’ll point out which hotels are near the stations so that you get an idea of where you’ll be. I’ll post it by Sunday for sure. Also, check out millionwomanmarch.com (they list state coordinators who may be able to help with housing). I’ll be working with that person for the weeks leading up to the convention.
loca2525-thanks for doing that-looks like they got another 1000 in just a few days!! Pass it around folks-
Nice song and very fitting in many ways:
(Helen Reddy and Ray Burton)
I am woman, hear me roar
In numbers too big to ignore
And I know too much to go back an’ pretend
‘Cause I’ve heard it all before
And I’ve been down there on the floor
No one’s ever gonna keep me down again
Oh yes, I am wise
But it’s wisdom born of pain
Yes, I’ve paid the price
But look how much I gained
If I have to
I can do anything
I am strong (strong)
I am invincible (invincible)
I am woman
You can bend but never break me
‘Cause it only serves to make me
More determined to achieve my final goal
And I come back even stronger
Not a novice any longer
‘Cause you’ve deepened the conviction in my soul
Oh, yes, I am wise
But it’s wisdom born of pain
Yes, I’ve paid the price
But look how much I gained
If I have to
I can face anything
I am strong (strong)
I am invincible (invincible)
I am woman
I am woman watch me grow
See me standing toe to toe
As I spread my lovin’ arms across the land
But I’m still an embryo
With a long, long way to go
Until I make my brother understand
Oh, yes, I am wise
But it’s wisdom born of pain
Yes, I’ve paid the price
But look how much I gained
If I have to
I can face anything
I am strong (strong)
I am invincible (invincible)
I am woman
Oh, I am woman
I am invincible
I am strong
I am woman
I am invincible
I am strong
I am woman
this is the article my kool aid drinking husband demands I read before he will speak to me!!!!
http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11496736
he also forced me to share this with you! says we are mis informed as to BO qualifiactions and fantastic intellect and judgemet-puke!
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/
#281 michelle47
Are you in Colorado?
Michelle47
WELCOME. I, too, worked for Hillary since NH. I live in Maine, and was part of the ‘activate callers’ who called primary states for hours. I almost went to the D.C. protest but had health problems. On the day Hillary gave her speech, suspending her campaign, I was so down. I felt so alone. I knew I’d never vote for BO, and I didn’t know anyone in my life who would understand why. After years of active work for Dems, I knew I was leaving, hoping to help defeat BO, and wait for Hillary to get strong again in the party and run in 2012. In dispair, I started blogging to find anyone I could talk with. That’s when I found the PUMA’s. I no longer feel alone in a world that won’t hear my voice; I now am part of a vibrant and active movement to make some real changes. So … welcome aboard…. you are no longer alone. Congrats. on raising such great kids.
Okay this is the final straw for me – we have to act, this is getting ridiculous
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/14/clinton-democrat-ousted-is-this-the-ussr/#more-3068
Anybody in NY want to protest? Anytime, anyplace, and I will be there.
Hey Murphy! I love ya! And I love the Puma’s! I just can’t stop reading all the comments. But, now it is my turn!
A friend of mine who is an Obama supporter (I am so open-minded!!!) asked me the other day what was I going to do now that Hillary lost! Well, after informing her that Hillary didn’t lose anything, America did, I then told her that I was going to start vandalizing all the “McCain equal Bush” signs in our little college Obama-supporting town to read: “McCain equals Bush equals Obama … all the same … all men! Men got us into the Iraq War, and we need a woman to get us out!!!” We need Hillary! Sexism gave us Obama! Don’t support sexism by voting for Obama!
Well, the look on her face was priceless!! But, the very next day I found the Puma Pac website!!! I’d been looking for this website. Just took me awhile!! So, now, I have to thank Puma from saving me from a life of crime!!! Thank you Puma Pac!!! Now I am just going to register as an Independent, get the names of the NH legislators who supported Obama, sign Hillary for President petitions, spread the word of Puma, contribute to the Puma Pac, and buy a t-shirt and mug!!
But I still need a yard sign and buttons, just like someone else said!!!
Also, I was substitute teaching at a local middle school the other day, talking to an 8th grader who was the ONLY Hillary supporter in HIS class! We were talking about the media bias and the sexism! He “got it”! The other kids in the class started giggling … “The teacher said the word “sex”!!” I immediately went from my “friendly mode into my “academic” mode … asking the class if they knew what racism was. They all told me that of course they did … racism is discrimination of African Americans. I asked these same kids what sexism meant? Kids who score very well on nationally standardized tests. And more laughter, because I said the word “sex” again! Finally, after the laughter subsided, a student was almost embarrassed to say that sexism meant the discrimination of girls.
That’s when I finally got it!!!
We teach the kids about racism in elementary school … we celebrate Martin Luther King, Jr. Day! But we do not teach them about sexism! Why is that? Because the teachers and the schools don’t think sexism exists? Because the teacher and the schools know that they are sexists?
I am currently a non-practicing poverty law attorney, and one of the reasons I started substitute teaching was because of the sexist bias I saw in the classrooms when my own child was in elementary school … and the fact that educators and parents alike saw no problem with it! So, whenever, I can, I subtly and sometimes, not so subtly, discuss the topic with the kids, in a timely manner! But, it only recently occurred to me (duh!), that’s why sexism is so misunderstood – because it is not seriously, academically discussed in schools. Racism – yes! Sexism – no!
This won’t take of the immediate problem of getting Hillary into the White House, but it does address issues that parents should take to their school boards. One more thing for the Puma “cracks” to do to repair the system!! (I have to admit that the term “crack” is just a little to easy to make fun of … i.e., “crackheads” “butt crack” … etc., etc., I mean, I get it, but maybe another term???)
OK … next thing to do is to contribute!!
Thanks!
And here is the petition folks,
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/We-Want-Hillary-In-The-White-House
C4Hill, thanks At #286, thanks for posting the link. And for introducing it with absolutely NO bias or sarcasm!
merryjaine #290 — Welcome, wow what a great comment!
I think we may have another talking point,
“Don’t support sexism. Don’t support Obama.”
I think it would be wonderful if we did this by region so more people could protest. The travel is going to be a factor for a lot of people especially with this economy. It will be just as meaningful and powerful if we do it in different parts of the country. I have been surfing just seeing what is going on in the websites, plus looking in here too.
I think Joe Wineke needs a heads up on the Democrats if he thinks everyone is going to vote for bo in Nov.
C4Hill, I find that funny that he gave you a fight the smear webpage, as a way of showing Senator Obama’s intellect. I mean, shouldn’t his intellect, preparedness, etc… be more indicative of his work and where he stands on the issues?
#251 Roxy in cali
Well said. My family and I came to the US a little over 30 years ago and we are so indebted to this country and the people who have shown nothing but kindness through the years. That’s why I can not stomach such hate coming from Rev. Wrong saying what he said.
Minivee #286- I live in Ohio, the great swing state. Elaine#287- None of us are alone, there are alot more of us than the dnc can possibly imagine. No Obama for me ever and I can not stress this enough, I truly do not know any obama supporters and I know many, many people. If not Hillary Ohio will without a doubt rain Mccain.Thank You for the kind words about my children, they truly are extra special indeed.
Hello everyone I found this on myspace, from one of my friends,
“Before you make the switch, be very careful about what your state’s rules are about changing affiliations and voting in the same year. In NY, the rules are that you cannot vote in your new party the same year that you change affiliations.”
Just an FYI
Merryjaine 290 ..
Welcome, Sister. What an incredible story. I may be wrong, but I’m guessing that 20 years ago, a lot of kids had heard of sexism as well as racism. But somehow, this myth that we had solved sexism set in, and it’s no longer talked about. Many of us — at least me — took for granted a lot of progress, at least, in the last 40 years. It’s taken this campaign to see that we are backsliding.
BrooklynNY
“The Candidate”
Life imitating art…
I’m sorry I’m not more into the conversation today, I’m buried under analysis… But I’m following along.
From Kos:
“Any thoughts for dropping a few PUMAs?”
Reply from one Puma to KOS:
We are thousands strong
We are loyal to our Queen
Tell your King to go to bed
Put a plaster on his head
Take care of those bumps and bruises
From Wright, Johnson and those other losers
We’ll defend our camp
From Obamara vamps
Drop a puma
You don’t dare!
I do not like Obama in a box.
I do not like him with a fox.
I do not like him in a house.
I do not like him with a mouse.
I do not like him here or there.
I do not like him anywhere.
I do not like BO and Kos.
I do not like them, Puma-that-I-am.
#290 MerriJaine,
Please add ageism to the list of isms that must be taught in schools. I see it big time being applied to Senator McCain. The media and the BObots in the entire blogsphere are particularly guilty of accussing him of “loosing his marbles” but keep forgetting that their own candidate thought at some point in the campaign that he had stumped in 57 States with one more to go!
As stated before I live in Ohio, believe it or not I have tried 22 times to change my party affiliation and I can not do so until 2012. So I guess I can change my affiliation the year Senator Clinton takes office, that is if she doesn’t just pull it out this year. With our help I think it can be done!
PUMA 1000 Reasons
http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/lcwade/CxCm
merryjaine
Wonderful insight! Welcome to the world of teaching. I was told last year by a boy’s parent that I was “too old to teach.” I was one of several retirees last year, the only woman and the only one of the retirees that this young man’s parent stated was “too old.” Sexism is alive and well in schools, but its not because we teachers don’t try. I worked very hard in the 90s with a group called AWSEM which has encouraged young women in the areas of math and science. It still is functioning. In the classroom, we really try to individualize and not do the sterotyping in so many ways. At the middle school level, its so difficult because the boy-girl thing is so enhanced by the kids themselves. However, our staff tries daily to give credit where credit is due. Harrassment issues are really targeted (boys and girls, male teachers and women teachers). What I found over the past few years is that parents are most responsible for the discrimination issues. We fight and fight it in the schools (as you so appropriately indicated), but if they don’t get the support and modeling at home and in the neighborhood, we are in an uphill battle. Television and the internet are largely responsible for allowing this to propagate. There’s a certain anonymity that both allow to perpetuate the discrimination. So please allow the school, teachers, and education in general some slack. We use a lot of material from the Southern Poverty Center (excellent) which highlights and educates on all types of discriminatory practices. Welcome aboard. Enjoyed your comments.
By the way, I was hired back this year. “too old to teach”-not in the administrations mind. I’ve gone to all the newest and best practices conferences and made sure I applied them in the classroom. So one is not “too old”, especially this woman.
Hi folks-just spent some time on savage politics.com-interesting articles and videos–particularly a pastor by the name of Hon. James David Manning, PhD–take a look and listen-interesting
LAWS OF NATURE
As I’ve watched this nomination battle unfold, I found myself pondering the following question: What is it that’s driving the violence and hostility of Obama supporters?
Examples of their appalling behavior abound. The most recent are–
1) Death threats against Larry Sinclair over his national press club debut on Wednesday when he’s expected to out Obama and implicate him in at least one murder.
2) Daily KOS’s recommendation that PUMA needs to be killed.
3) The same blog’s threat re the Democratic delegate from Wisconsin who’s going to vote for McCain.
While feelings tend to run high during political elections, this is a bit much. So why the fanatical hatred toward Hillary supporters?
The standard explanation is that they’ve drunk too deep of the kool-aid and it’s addled their brains. While I believe this is true I don’t think it explains enough. What exactly is in the kool-aid?
I think it’s a concoction that alters reality. Yes, of course we know they’re delusional but what I’m really getting at is that Obama’s message alters the NATURE of reality.
His message is ambiguous enough that his followers can hear whatever they want to hear, and what they want to hear is that he’s going to make pesky, annoying, contradictory realities go away and unite us all under one banner.
His message appeals to ideologues who live in their heads anyway and are arrogant enough to believe that a mental concept can be imposed on the real world, for all time, and for all people.
When all opposition has been silenced, when all dissenters have been shot, then we will have peace on earth because everybody will agree with us all the time everywhere.
This crazy concept has actually been tried before. A few recent examples are the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, Nazi Germany, McCarthy America, and anywhere in fundamentalist Islam.
As with all ideologies which are hatched in a brain and never road-tested on the streets of the real world, this one has a fatal flaw. It assumes that people are all the same.
We are as individual as snowflakes, seeing the world from different perspectives, with different and highly idiosyncratic agendas of our own. The analogy of trying to herd cats is an apt one. You can get a whole army of cats (even Pumas) to follow you if you offer them something that they want, but shouting at them “just because I said so” isn’t going to get you very far.
An ideologue thinking he can permanently change the diversity of human perception is as ridiculous as a man who decides to take a sunbath at midnight. There are laws of nature that he has failed to factor into his calculations.
Here’s another law of nature: when you try to cheat, intimidate, bully and control a large enough group of people for a long enough period of time, there will be unpleasant consequences.
In terms of Barack Obama and his totalitarian army, I’m thinking the law of gravity should start to kick in any day now.
Thanks loca2525 #298 as my husband and I are both going Independent and I have been trying to down load the form from my county website so we can change but I will look into that info before we do this. I called my registar of voters office and said we were coming by to do this and I was told to down load the form and mail it in. I certainly will check………thanks for pointing that out.
by the way I found on Wikepedia that there are
55 million Republicans,
72 million Democrats and
42 million Independents…… It seems to be up to date but you never know.
In the General Election, you can vote for whoever you want, regarless of your Party affiliation as far as I know. The names of all the presidential candidates will be on the ballot.
hey does anybody know how far down is the Clinton debt?
RE HOWARD DEAN LETTER FOR MONDAY, 16 JUNE 2008
UPDATE
I am very happy to report that we now have almost 50 people from at least 12 different states who have emailed me to say “YES I WILL” send the letter to Dr. Dean on Monday, 16 June 2008.
While I’m thrilled, I have to admit that I’m the kind of person who’s never satisfied until we’ve done as much as we possibly can!
So, if you have not looked at the proposal for Monday in #14 (and at the extra details for printing and sending the letter in #184) above, please go look and consider joining fellow Pumas in speaking loudly and in one voice to Dr. Dean on Monday.
this is the article my kool aid drinking husband demands I read before he will speak to me!!!!
http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11496736
he also forced me to share this with you! says we are mis informed as to BO qualifiactions and fantastic intellect and judgemet-puke!
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/
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1. Your husband sounds like an immature, abusive and emotionally manipulative guy (won’t speak to you… “forced” you to post, etc.).
I remember when the wives of the members (male) of he congressional body of New Zealand refused to have sex with their husbands until voted a certain way on the issue at hand. It took 6 weeks for congress to relent. (Hint).
Yes Roxy in Cali, you can vote for whomever you want, but what this person was saying was the rules in each state are different, so if you switch on the same year you are going to vote, make sure you are allowed to vote. Otherwise, stay with your party affiliation and vote McCain. At least then you get to vote.
#308 LadyLiberty
Weren’t death threats against Larry Sinclair, followed by the actual death of another man from Trinity United under suspicious circumstances at the end of last year, the reason the Sinclair has come out so publicly with his charges? I thought he went to the police for help precisely because, according to him, David Axelrod threatened him.
Murphy, I’m sorry. I know that this discussion nears smear. I’m just trying to rely what I know–or think I know–about the allegations and Sinclair’s motives.
Hi everyone, this guy is the chair of the State of Wisconsin Democratic party-that is trying to oust a Wisconsin delegate for choosing to vote for J. McCain
Joe Wineke
State Chair and National Committee Member
joew@wisdems.org
(608) 255-5172 (office)
(608) 255-8919 (fax)
222 W. Washington Ave. Suite 150 Madison, Wisconsin 53703
Hello everyone,
I’m just checking in. I see that we have several things planned for next week. I’ll get on that soon.
Very quickly, several people wrote in about organizing in TX. The last I heard melaniefvargas@yahoo.com was putting together a MySpace account for HC’s supporters in TX. You might want to contact her.
I read several of your comments regarding arguments with family/friends and although I have some of my own stories I don’t have time to write about them now. Your comments just made me think about how sad it is that Democrats weren’t able to come together. BOs team absolutely divided us. His rhetoric was designed to give him a short-term win (call anyone who doesn’t support him a racist and so forth) and noone thought about the long-term repercussions. A wiser person (or campaign team) would have thought about the long-term consequences of their actions. This could have been a really great year. Democrats could have celebrated HCs win (as many predicted she would easily win the national elections) and we could have looked forward to having BO as president in eight years. I always sort of wondered why BOs supporters refused to see that Hillary was trying to unite us and BO was dividing us in order to advance his career. That’s really careless behavior. Now we are left with this mess and they expect that HC will come in to clean it up.
Alright, great work everyone. You keep me busy.
Best,
Lara08
Brian Knoxville TN 312
Has our letter been posted on any of the other sites with ‘justsaynodealcom’ …. I’m thinking maybe we could get lots more signers.
#313 loca2525
I agree. I don’t have the possibility to declare my party affiliation in Tennessee, and I would want to change from Democrat to Independent if I could, but ultimately voting expresses your will more effectively than formally changing your declared political affiliation. At least, that’s what I think.
Oust Unfaithful Delegates (Poison Coattails?, Turn Out Traitors?- help me with a name here)
the following races pit Dems who endorsed Obama despite the voters in their state (senate) or district (house) having voted for Clinton:
1. Senate MA-
Edward O’Reilly (D) , Attorney and Former Gloucester City Councilor, (R) Jeff Beatty – President of Total Security. Ran for Congress in 2006. From Harwich,
(R) Jim Ogonowski – Former Air Force Lt. Colonel and 2007 Congressional candidate
(Socialist Workers) William Estrada – Communist Political Organizer
are running against John Kerry
2. Senate – NJ
Dick Zimmer (R) is running against Frank Lautenberg
3. Senate – RI
does anyone know who’s running against Jack Reed?
4. Senate – WV
does anyone know who’s running against Jay Rockefeller?
5. Senate – MI
Jack Hoogendyk (R) and Bart Baron (R) are petitioning to run against Carl Levin who has not endorsed a candidate for POTUS.
6. (CA, 7th District)
Roger Petersen (R) is running against George Miller (D)
7. (CA, 11th District)
Dean Andal (R) http://deanandal.com/
is running against Jerry McNerney (D)
8. (CA, 13th District)
Raymond Chui (R) is running against Pete Stark (can someone confirm that Clinton won the primary in CA 13?)
9. (CA, 16th District)
Charel Winston (R) is running against Zoe Lofgren
10. (CA, 18th District)
i can’t find anyone who’s running against Dennis Cardoza
http://www.2008racetracker.com/page/CA-18
does anyone know about the candidates who oppose the unfaithful representatives? i’d like to try to help as many of them as we can bc otherwise, Dean, Pelosi, Reid, et. al. will get what they wanted by pushing BO.
any suggestions?
anyone have any other unfaithful reps to add? e.g., other house races, governors.
I got to go see Sen. Hillary Clinton when she came to my county. I was so honored to get to shake her hand. A man and his wife from another county was sitting beside me. The man told me his wife and him were big Hillary Clinton supporters. Then he said we need a woman to clean this mess up that Bush has made. There were around 3,000 people there. Hillary speech was great, as always. Then later, Bill Clinton came thru our county. I read it in the paper that he was coming thru the night before. Then , a little later, Hillary’s campaign called me and told me the time and place he was going to be the next day. Of couse, I went and my mom wanted to go too. I was honored to shake former President Clinton’s hand too and my mom was too. Kentucky listened to Hillary and Bill and Hillary won big. I was so proud.
I’m still hoping things will change at the convention. If the democratic leaders think they are going to win without the Hillary Clinton suppporters, they are fooling themselves. Even if half of the 18 million voted for McCain, I believe McCain would win. Maybe even less than that. I’m sure McCain will get Kentucky. They are not going to vote for someone they don’t trust and I won’t either.
Nc4Hill, how sad that your husband “demanded” that you do anything, is that not sexism in and of itself? I personally, would refuse to be “demanded” to do anything; and I certainly will not comply with your husband’s “demand” that I read that.
I will write what was talked about in virtual town hall with McCain. It went so fast, I could not write fast enough to keep up.
There is something of great importance that I will post separately that all PUMAs need to know.
I am not sure who mentioned this…but I agree with the statement that I “cannot just get over this.” And I also may NEVER be over this!
The DNC will regret what they have done to this party!
And I for one am still contemplating writing in HRC on my ballot in November, because she is the only person qualified for the job!
By the way-she is planning to vote as a delegate in August for Clinton but personally will vote for McCain if Clinton is not the nominee-this is why they are asking the national committee not to seat her-Good God!!
RE#251 ROXI IN CALIF. I SO AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT HOW SCARY THIS IS FOR OUR COUNTRY !!!!
I CANT BELEIVE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY ARE JUST SITTING BACK AND WATCHING HIM TAKE OVER THE DNC MOVE TO CHI. WAS TOO MUCH FOR ME TO BELIEVE !! AND THE FIRST 3 DAYS AFTER THEY SELECTED HIM HE FILPPED 3 TIMES ON ISREAL OMG !!!! THERE IS NO WAY MY FAMILY OR FRIENDS WILL EVER FALL IN LINE BEHIND THIS THUG !!! AND HIS ANTI-AMERICAN FRIENDS !!! I AGREE THAT ALL THE OTHER SCARY LEADERS FROM OTHER NATIONS ARE SO HAPPY HIS HAS BEEN CHOOSEN !!! I WILL DO EVERYTHING I CAN DO TO KEEP HIM OUT OF THIS HIGHEST JOB IN OUR COUNTRY !!!
THE WAY HE ALWAYS SAYS OH THATS NOT THE GUY I KNEW UUUHHHMMM!! YA RIGHT THAT ONLY WORKS SO MANY TIMES !!! AND HIS NASTY SUPPORTERS CALLING ALL OF US HILLARY SUPPORTERS RACIST WHEN HE SAT IN THE MOST RACIST ANTI-AMERICAN CHURCH FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS !! THE WAY HE HAS HIMSELF AND ALLOWED HIS THUG SUPPORTERS TO TALK ABOUT SEN. CLINTON AND FORMER PRES. CLINTON AND EVEN THERE DAUGHTER IS BEYOND REAL !!!!
STEALING VOTES IN CAUCASES AND EVEN IN N. C. WE NEVER HEAR ANYMORE ABOUT THE VOTES FOR HIM THAT WERE COUNTED TWICE THE TIME I HEARD IT WAS WAY 36,000 AND VOTER FRAUD IN IND. AND THEN THE WAY THE DNC STOLE FL. AND MIC. FROM SEN. CLINTON AND US IS UNFORGIVABLE AND WE WILL NOT FORGET COME NOV. WE WILL NOT FALL IN LINE BEHIND SOMEONE THAT LIES LIKE THIS GUY AND IS A NATIONAL SECURITY RISK TO OUR NATION !!!!
Hello everyone. I have been trying to catch up on the posts.
The myspace page look great. Please send the link to all your friends and family.
It looks the Obama fans are out in full force this weekend.
#317 Elaine,
I don’t think so, but it’s a great idea. Aren’t there over 2 dozen other organizations in the coalition? They can just change the Puma Democrat blog.pumapac.org part and leave the
“In coalition with http://www.justsaynodeal.com”
I’ll contact Pam Hamilton at ClintonDems now. Can you contact any others?
Btw, thank you so much for writing this letter with me. I hope we will write another!
Elaine #288 it is so nice to see others on here that worked so hard for Hillary…………..I did too, or rather I am still working for Hillary and hoping beyond everything that has happened that there is still a chance for Hillary in 08 and if not then for sure in 2012. We are all very disappointed.
Good afternoon fellow Pumas!
I just read through all the posts. A few thoughts…..
~Thanks for all the stories of political discussions. My husband just does not care. He thinks I’m silly for caring and says “it’s over” re: the primary. Ugh. he just does NOT get it.
~I will look for the drink coupons to send DNC on Monday. Cute idea:)
~Everyone should check out the new MySpace page Loca2525 put together. It’s great! Kudos to Loca! If you have a MySpace, request as a friend! http://www.myspace.com/pumapac
~GREAT job on the t-shirts Murphy and MP and those who made suggestions! ALL should be sure to buy at least one! Or the mug!
~As referrenced in MP’s action post #158, I am set up to design custom tees. I have designed a whole bunch already from suggestions here, and can design something with any wording you want! E:mail for more info: hill2thehill@yahoo.com
HAVE A GREAT DAY PUMA PAC!!! I must get some “house” stuff done today. I am falling way behind! I’ll check in later tonight:)
NOT ALL MURPHYS ARE THE SAME – BEWARE!!
When I asked in a post here at the time all my emails to Murphy were being bounced back if there were a place we could mail in donations, I got a response from a poster here by email that the poster had seen this posted address earlier and would pass it on to me. The address was erroneous! The addres was absolutely a lie. This is the address I was given:
Janee Murphy
5223 S. Crescent Dr
Tampa, FL 33611
I googled Janee Murphy and found this from Obama’s site:
…DNC member and Florida Democratic Party Secretary Janee Murphy told The Palm Beach Post this afternoon that she would support Barack Obama.
Here is Murphy’s statement…
Today I am officially a Florida delegate and I think it is essential now to unite behind Senator Obama to defeat Senator McCain in the fall. I am ready now to pick up the tools that we have been given by coming together and moving forward to secure Florida for the Democrats. With Florida and Michigan a part of the equation that there is no doubt in my mind that we can come together and it is my job now to hit the ground running and help deliver Florida. As a single African American mother, I feel personally about securing a better future for my daughter, and I truly believe Senator Obama will bring the kind of change our country needs.
STOP THE TROLLS!!!!!!!!!1
I will vote for McCain. Why? Because it is the only way I can force the DNC to change. If I vote democrat and help elect Barack, then the DNC and Superdelegates will feel they were right all along and there will be no need for them to change. My power to reach change to my ex-democratic party is to cast my vote to McCain in opposition to them and hopefully they would change in the future.
The new feminist: Read the article by Sarah Odell, “Clinton’s Run, My Seminar on Sexism”, on the Washington Post. It was in our local newspaper this AM.
BTW, one of the tees I designed says “I am PUMA Hear me ROAR”. When I thought of it, I was not even thinking of that song, but I bet that subconsciously, that is where it came from, LOL! I don’t think there should be a problem using that wording in that way for a T, but to write a new song changing the lyrics could be. Check into it, it’s a great song!
DEAN’S FAX NUMBER IS: (202) 863-8174. I had been very active in faxing him in the past and even asked him to step down as he is incompetent. My letter will be faxed first thing Monday morning!!
Brian, I’ll contact Will Bower and group on Facebook.
Thank you ShortTermer at #327
#289 Loca2525, There’s going to be a meet-up tomorrow in NY. See clintondems.com for more info. (I learned about not posting information on here through hard way yesterday)
anonymous
Hey PUMAs,
I was watching the TV Guide Channel and the host just conceeded the Democratic Nomination for HC. The he followed it by a Clinton joke and then had BO come on and do an endorsement for Army Wives.
BO is getting desperate.
Here is a copy of my email to the chair of the Wisconsin Democratic Party-what a bunch of baloney!-
Dear Mr. Wineke, I am very very disappointed to hear that you and others are trying to unseat a Wisconsin delegate because she in good conscience has decided that she will personally vote for John McCain-what kind of nonsense is this!! –she has the right to vote for whom ever she pleases-this is the United States for crying out loud!!-God bless her strength and courage and ability to think for herself –this is why the Democratic Party is losing thousands of dedicated, devoted Democrats -believe me when I say to you that the DNC is on a course that it will be very difficult to recover from-it is apparent that in its arrogance the DNC thinks that it can do anything it wishes and no one will notice and everyone will fall in line-we are not robots Mr. Wineke. I am passing this email on to blogpumapac.org-we are a part of a coalition of millions-JustSayNoDeal-I would encourage you to take some time to visit those sites and hear what people are writing. We are a movement Mr Wineke, we are not going to go away quietly. I respectfully hope that you and others on the committee who supported this kind of outrageous nonsense wakeup before it is too late.
Maybe we should start writing to the City of Denver, and all the sponsors of the convention. Better than a millionwomen march, would be to stop the DNC from having a convention. At least we wouldn’t have to listen to “O”. And maybe it would be good to write to The Friends of Katrina that are sponsoring the welcoming event and ask them to use that money better back in the New Orleans and hurricane diaster area. I’m sure they wouldn’t want to be seen as insensitive.
#312 Brian Knoxville TN
I just sent you an email asking for the form letter. I would love to send out a letter out to Howard the coward on monday.
I will vote McCain but I am not happy about doing so. BUT I WILL NOT VOTE FOR BO…………NO WAY. My reasoning is the President we pick with the choice we have if Hillary is not on the ballot is McCain because he has more experience…………..on the job training for this position really scares me.. Hillary has the most qualifications and the best one to run this country.
Ummm, isn’t inciting / encouraging/advocating people to kill in violation of FCC regulations and other federal laws?
Those who have read such incitements may want to copy and report to authorities.
Many of HopeyDopey’s savants are immature enough that they might heed the directives of NopeyHopey’s operatives.
It makes me so sick when I see the people at the Obama rallies on TV just clapping like “brain dead zombies”. I just think to myself, these poor people don’t realize he doesn’t care for them one bit, they are just FACILITATORS to him! All he wants from them is that vote to give him the POWER to carry out his agenda against America!
Let’s keep up the good work PUMAs!
NOBAMA never ever.
As an Independent voter (who has tended to vote Democratic), John McCain’s exhortation to put “country before political party” really resonates with me. Looking past the parties and evaluating the candidates individually, there really is only one choice for me for President, and that’s John McCain.
Jeremy: “Afternoon All. Got this email today and wanted to pass it along. I have read many of the “theories” and “intepretations” of his legality. But this one is different. The person who sent me this is a retired research librarian. She will keep me abreast with any more developments.”
This message, worded exactly as your librarian research friend’s, is all over the internet. It’s beginning to sound like the “Bill Gates wants to share his wealth” hoax of the mid-90s.
I’m not worried about Nobam’s citizenship, the Republcians will be all over that should it be a credible issue.
“We don’t need the people. We just need the checks.” – Barack Obama
Well , folks, there you have it in a nutshell. How’s everyone today?
FLYER UPDATE: Please get your new flyers and distribute this weekend!
UPDATE 6/14/08 at 5:15pm: FLYERS, FLYERS, FLYERS! Please send an email tomarylandpuma@gmail.com and/or dcinvegas@gmail.com for BEAUTIFUL new Puma PAC flyers. Challenge yourself to distribute 50 flyers in public places this gorgeous weekend. We have some really talented graphic artists in our ranks. A huge thank you to them for all their work.
Have been receiving contribution letters from “Emily’s List”, one about every other day this week. My “Dear Ellen” letters have been going back in the return envelopes. How does one find out about the women candidates that Emily’s list is supporting? I’ve gone to websites and read newslinks, but haven’t been able to find if these women supported Obama prior to June. Any ideas?
thanks anonymous I will check it out.
just putting it out again, sign the petition
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/We-Want-Hillary-In-The-White-House
hello there, does anyone have any news on the Clinton debt, how far along is she? etc…
Do we have bumperstickers yet?? I saw about Obama 08 stickers today. I wanted to ram the back of every car I saw.
I live in military housing so I can’t put up any yard signs or window signs but I can have bumperstickers.
I read the DNCC is short on funds. They can just ask the golden one for a loan, he has plenty of money right now.
ontherocks, coming right up!
#347 Thanks Dances- I will give her the update. I would not have posted this if I had seen it prior to. Again, thanks for the info.
Brian Knoxville, TN
Dean Letter printed and ready to mail on Monday.
Thanks for getting that together. Great Job! Kudos!
Hello PUMA’s,
I was watching the TV Guide Channel and the host of TV Watercooler announced Hillary Clinton’s concession of the Democratic Nomination. And added in a Clinton joke. Then the channel showed BO endorsing the TV show Army Wives.
BO is getting desperate.
Hey PUMAs:
I hope you’ll enjoy this clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CyQo7hQt1Y
anonymous
#283 mini vee on 06.14.08 at 4:14 pm
thanks, Mini Vee. the last time i was in the Denver area (Aurora and Parker) there was no public transit to speak of. i’m glad that it’s in place now.
DANCES WITH PUMAS, 347
Thanks for pointing out an internet story that is spreading about BO, and looks like a hoax. I’d love us to try to be a place that disseminates the facts — and tries to eliminate the hoaxes right off the bat. I checked out snopes.com and they do clarify some matters about BO’s birth and religion -
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
Re: #356 Jeremy on 06.14.08 at 5:25 pm
Actually, it wouldn’t make sense for the McCain camp to unleash that one until a week before the election so another candidate (Aka: Hillary) couldn’t get a foot hold before the election…
Just a thought…
Best,
JGoldman1
#342 Jeremy on 06.14.08 at 5:10 pm
if BO was born in HI, he’s a “natural born” citizen and meets the requirements of Art. 1. if he was born elsewhere, he may not be a “natural born” citizen.
look it up on wikipedia. (“natural born citizen” US president) i’ve posted the link on other threads here.
the email you posted is very misleading. please don’t pass it around.
Hey guys, sorry. And thanks for the information. I definately enlighten the sender and will research things in a more intelligent way in the future.
Murphy, please delete #342. Thanks.
will enlighten
Jeremy #363
Done.
#339 mpk
Do you know the name of the Wisc delegate they’re trying to unseat?
Thanks.
Hi Jeremy,
You’re just covering the bases.
Best,
JGoldman1
#290 merryjaine on 06.14.08 at 4:23 pm
welcome to pumapac! where did you teach?
i’m wondering bc my high-school daughter knew about sexism by middle school. but what you write makes sense. if kids don’t learn about sexism or other kinds of discrimination (e.g., classism, ageism, ethnocentrism, racism, etc.), they will neither spot it nor be upset by it. that could explain why so many obamabots seem oblivious to how his campaign divides us and marginalizes many of us. i’ve wondered how so many could be so oblivious to that and believe that BO is uniting the US.
oh yeah, we crossed the 200,000 mark yesterday. doubling every two days. way to go pumas.
Excellent article in todays Seattle Times!
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2004476564_harrop14.html?syndication=rss
Those you see following the Obamessiah are not Democrats, though the species may try to look similar. They are in fact nothing but JACKASSES!
P.U.M.A.
the name of the Wisconsin delegate is Debra Bartoshevich-she is a nurse in Racine WI-I’m going to try to find out what her email address is
Wisconsin Candidates, Federal Executive, by office
Level of office Federal State County Precinct
Type of office Legislative Executive Judicial Other
Sort by Office District Candidate
God this is even worse than I thought-this is from the Wisconsin State Democratic Party Website
President of the United States
* Barack Obama
Barack Obama 233 North Michigan Ave., Ste 1720 Chicago, Illinois 60601
312-819-2008 (main)
312-819-2088 (fax)
http://www.barackobama.com
Re: #370
It must have been my email foward, Murphy.
Just kidding, congrats on your wonderful work here.
Among the other items on your list, maybe you can do a PUMA PAC history?
Origin date:
Date Attacked by Hackers:
# Visitors
Date
Date
Date
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___________________________
# Membership
Date
Date
Date
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I’m making tables, can you tell?
Anyway, Great Job Murphy! -and everyone else!
Best,
JGoldman1
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/We-Want-Hillary-In-The-White-House
Please everyone sign this petition if you haven’t -get others to sign it-the goal is 5 million signatures by August-it looks like they’ve gotten a thousand in the last few days-
thanks to loca2525 for posting this so frequently
POdvet, Thanks for the link to the Seattle Times article. Excellent – Poetry doesn’t rhyme. Good title for Obamaspeak. It’s great to see some anti O stuff in the Pacific Northwest. And its even better to see the “sunshine” at last.
MPK thanks for reposting the petition link.
Yes everyone, please if you know someone who voted for Senator Clinton forward it to them. Let’s get this thing going.
if you can afford it, please contribute to this site (blog.pumapac.org) and to
http://www.womencountpac.com/Site/Welcome.html
they’re trying to run a pro-Hillary ad in the NYT next week
#372 mpk
The reason I ask is because I just saw this on John McCain’s Web site:
Welcome Citizens.
“The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel is reporting that an avid supporter of Hillary Clinton, Debra Bartoshevich has looked at the candidates for President and made her choice. She’s voting for John McCain.
Debra is an elected delegate to the Democratic National Convention this fall – an emergency room nurse from Racine County, Wisconsin who did not make this decision lightly. Debra made her decision to support John McCain not on the basis of loyalty to a political party, but based on a higher loyalty to her country. She is not alone.”
It’s the heading of one of the blogs threads posted there today.
You can see it @ http://www.johnmccain.com/blog/
I guess in the DNC’s America, you’re allowed to have an opinion as long as it’s the “right” one. Otherwise, your civil rights are rescinded. I wonder when the “rehabilitation” centers are going to open for all those crackpots resisters, who don’t fall in line. Didn’t the Soviet Union call their “dissidents” crackpots, among other things, and either send them to mental institutions/gulags/Siberia ? Stay tuned. Coming to a theater near you….
Sassysenora
Teachers are working very hard on the issues of sexism. It comes under the heading of Harrassment and Bullying. All I can tell you is that the school and district I work in is dedicated to erasing these issues as much as possible. But its a long, uphill battle.
#230 POdVet
If the Nameless One does not share $$$ POT w/DNC now, will the DNC at some point need to beg as Dubya does OPEC?? Will he strong-arm the DNC offering $$$ in exchange for power?? I don’t put anything past his devious plan.
Just a scary thought – I don’t trust him or his backers whoever they are. I haven’t from the beginning!
People need to wake up and smell the rat, before it’s too late. We do not KNOW this character!
Let’s keep on educating the ‘really’ uneducated and keep the pressure on – on the powers that be. We have everything to lose and so much go gain! We’re not for sale and we want our country back.
GROWL POWER
well I’m glad that it is on John McCain’s website-they should make an election issue out of it-what a bunch of goofballs-what are they so scared about I wonder???
I really know the answer to that question but just thought I’d throw it out there
sassysenora
if he was born in Hawaii
there is no doubt, it is like if he was born in N.Carolina
my son was born abroad
and unfortunately he can not become president
+o-2 days ago a blogger who is lawyer
said that it seems that is not clear whether or not he was born in Hawaii
because what is posted as birth certificate is not clear
if this were the case, then this whole election is a circus
Bumper stickers? Murphy, I don’t like the ones on Cafepress. It’s too loaded with anti-Hillary stuff. Very little ant-BO. When will PUMA have some? Bought my T-shirt. Love it..Thanks Murphy
MPK # 372 Have you been able to obtain an email address for Debra Bartoshevich ???????
Why are we so stuck on “Os” birth certificate? Let’s not even mention his name anymore. PUMA. PUMA. PUMA. PUMA.
Well if he wasn’t born in the US then it is a major issue.
mayor that is true
he should already have his SECURITY CLEARENCE¡¡¡
I’m really looking forward to hearing from those who were on the J McCain call today. I was signed up, and they called me and everything seemed to be fine; I was put on hold and told it would start shortly. After a couple of minutes a voice came on and said ‘this teleforum has ended’! Then a JM recording saying ‘if I had questions that weren’t answered I could submit them through his web site’ came on. I was pretty disappointed. Not a good start to winning me over!
mpk … just to save people some time:
this is the message at the petition site you posted:
“We are currently performing necessary changes to our infrastructure and expect to be back at 1:30AM PDT. (That’s tonight, (Sunday). We thank you for your continued support and do please check back later. The Care2 Team”
Speaks to mentality: Obama’s and his savants:
“He has also been showing a more pugnacious side, commenting at a Philadelphia fund-raiser Friday night that he was prepared for a fight with Republicans, saying, “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”
Charming. It’s street fight, it’s a gang war. It’s punk.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/15/us/politics/15campaign.html?hp
Has anyone read the books that BO has written? I am wondering if there are any hints in there as to where he was born, etc. For me, it is not that pressing an issue as I am sure a 527 or rep party will have it sorted out by Nov.
#389 melinpa
I was signed up for the J McCain Town Hall today too. I didn’t even get a call. I am pretty disappointed also, but I figure he must have had a pretty large response to the Town Hall invitation. I mean, how many people can you have in on them at one time? I heard he’s going to post it on his Web site. Not sure exactly when but it should be up there eventually.
ShortTermer did get called. She was in on it and said she’ll eventually post about it. I’m anxiously awaiting….
#391 DancesWithPumas
I wonder if he is going to start wearing “hoodies” LOL!
Hello all fellow PUMAS,
I have been in many arguments with people who have no idea what they are doing to this Country by electing someone with no experience. I believe BO and MO would not have gone to that Church with that racist Minister for 20 years if they didn’t hate white America as much as Rev. Wrong did..
I try to talk with people on other forums I belong to. They keep bashing me and Hillary. For everything they say about Hillary, I come back with a rebuttal. They say that I am a racist. I say I’m not, but they are sexist.
I even had an argument with my Daughter. I told her about PUMA, and that we were going to make sure that BO did not win the election..
She replied that she was not going to put up with 4 more years of Bush. I told her that we knew McCain was a Patriot, but we did not know what BO was. My Daughter is as stubborn as her Mother, so we agreed to disagree.
I wear my Hillary pin everywhere. I am waiting for someone to tell me that she lost. Oh am I waiting for that. I have had some nasty looks, but the only remark was a gentleman that said he liked my pin. I told him to keep the faith; a lot can happen between now and November..
I feel certain that we can make a difference. We may not be able to get the nomination for Hillary that she deserves, but we can keep BO out of the White House.
We can also give the DNC a lot of reasons to worry..
My husband and I agree completely agree on BO. He brought in the mail this morning. He said he didn’t want me to get upset, but I got a mailing from BO. I’m not upset. It has a prepaid envelope, and I am going to send him a letter. I doubt I will receive any more from him after that.
God Bless All of You..
melinpa,
Here’s a link to some info about the call (maybe you’ve seen it already if so disregard….)
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/PressReleases/Read.aspx?guid=241fb6c6-83a5-4f29-80bc-26ee9e277a94
You’ll also a list there headed:
PROMINENT DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS JOIN “CITIZENS FOR MCCAIN”
MPK #372 comment
Is this the nurse that was on a show on Fox News. I only caught part of it. She has a website and she also is voting for McCain. She was asked all kinds of questions. I think she said her website was clintonformccain.com. It was something in the order of that. And she did mention Just Say No Deal. Did anyone see this show?
Virtual Town Hall Meeting with John McCain June 14,2008
My heart was full when I was placed on HOLD to ask Senator McCain a question. But some questioners were so long winded that I got bumped. Most of his Town Hall rhetoric was about his stands and policies as usual. I will use bullets to highlight the comments and questions.
-in opening comments he stated he had asked Obama to join in Town Hall meetings
-his 3 platform planks in a nutshell are : Reform, Prosperity, and Peace
-he said with emphasis that he has a strong bi-partisan record and that he is for COUNTRY FIRST and PARTY second, then proceeded to break the three planks down
-he stated his gas tax holiday had been ridiculed and reiterated it would have especially benefited those who drive for a living [truckers] and the low income workers
-he said I HATE WAR and nobody hates war more than him; he talked about feeling the pain of lost comrades while he served in the military; and that he hates war, but he wants the military to come home, but with honor
-he praised Senator Clinton several times interspersed within the dialog; talked about working with in a bi-partisan way; he went on to name all those across the aisle he has worked with in a bi-partisan fashion
-he stated America’s best days are ahead of us; it’s all about putting the country first and the party second
-?1- About gas tax, answered earlier
-health issues: institute a reward system for providers, cash&counseling for seniors, more walk-in clinics, fix for the emergency room crisis must include immigration reform
-?2 Sandra from Ohio – asked about inferior products coming from China without safeguards for citizens and could he do something about the loss of jobs in OH and America.. His answer was that we have fallen down in reference to allowing inferior products and added that toys had arsenic that came from China. He stated that as President he would toughen the stands for China and that the next poison laced toy from China would be the last toy from China under his leadership.
-a lot of manufacturing jobs are not coming back
-worker retraining through education, shortage of welders nationwide
-compensate older workers who lose their job and take a lower paying job
-? 52% of Americans are women and yet women are unequally represented, he talked about how he is committed to increase the number of women and named some of those he admired that were in political posts and named Hillary. He assured the listeners and attendees that he would increase the women appointments by making ½ of the appointments female and by the end of his first term
? Cheryl Ohio – She was a blue collar worker and how can he help the common worker?
He responded with questioning her if she is feeling the pain at the price of gas and she said yes; he responded
-he will work to make education affordable and available
-keep taxes low, not raise taxes
-he said Americans are hurting
-he stated that economist are saying that this economy [recession, people perceive us in a recession} and that it is the worst economy America has ever seen.
-that he will implement green technologies
? from an immigrant, I think, - about how he could be proud of his country and stated he has degrees from Princeton and Harvard and makes more than $300,000 a year.
McCain said it was tough in some respects, had travelled with others and with
Clinton around the world; and saw first hand what those in other part of the world
think about America
-we can be proud of America because of its achievements an accomplishments
-he said we [politicians I guess] should be more humble and inclusive and send messages that we are global and we are proud Americans.
-and we can further be proud of America because of what we, under his leadership, are going to do for Darfur. Stopping genocide anywhere, but
beginning in Darfur will be a priority during his Presidency.
-he told the caller that we could be proud of American because of citizens
like the caller [used word YOU]
this caller also asked about the importance of National Security during this election., he responded generically to the questioner
? Lillian from Redding PA – praised McCain effusively, then asked about ending pork barrel earmarks and McCain spoke a little louder that Obama has received millions of dollars from pork barrel projects. McCain answered as follows:
-drill for oil? best I remember he kind of evaded the question
-went on to say he did not want to interfere with state issues [FL& CA]
but would offer FL and CA greater revenues for drilling off shore
-may institute a ballot initiative to ask people to approve drilling off FL and CA shores.
-reserves may be used
-when asked about Cuba drilling, he responded with the above
Again Senator McCain mentioned he has never and would never accept earmarked pork barrel money, but Obama has received millions of dollars from pork barrel projects.
? a male asked about McCain’s stance on appointees to the Supreme Court and the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy
-McCain talked about he voted for Roberts and Ginsberg because they were qualified, but did not necessarily embrace his ideological stands; he said there
will be no litmus test for judges; that there should be no judicial activism and
a justice does not have to match the President’s in ideology, but must be
qualified and that he would be bi-partisan about justices.
-he further stated that Obama voted again justices Solida and Roberts
on the Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy he said that he would rely on the best
Advice of the military leaders on that policy. [I personally know some
brilliant soldiers and sailors that had their military service terminated
because they were gay, really brilliant and patriotic people- and they
will hold the continuation of this policy against him - they have a really
large community]
-? Dem from OH – Democrat [I think they said they voted for Hillary, but not sure because I failed to write it down] would not vote for Obama, wants to reach out bi-partisan to McCain, and asked Senator McCain to give them a reason to vote Republican.
-McCain responded with – my record
-I am consistent in bi-partisan work with Democrats over the decades and named a number of them and mentioned Hillary
-named the great influence that Morris K. Udahl who took him under his wing
and mentored him when he was new to politics [the senate?]
-that he and Bush are not the same, not more of the same and listed differences between him and Bush as follows: stem cell research, climate change, Bush’s mishandling of the Iraq War, spending, pork barrel, the treatment of the detainees: McCain would allow no torture!
?from DC mentioned they were at the 5/31 meeting, one of 18 million, voting for McCain, first time to very vote Republican, said they were very liberal and asked him to articulate the reason for remaining in Iraq. He responded:
-we must be as careful getting them out
-that the war had flaws as a strategy, not because he says so, but because of the number of troops that have told him so; he says many soldiers have told him that WE are losing under Rumsfeld etc; says now General Patraeus who will help us go in the right direction
-our strategy for Iraq must be threefold – To clear, To hold, and to Control
-the path has been long, hard and tough, has been a strain
-that we are succeeding, but to withdraw the way Obama wants and by a certain given date would be chaotic
-he told Bush and the leaders over and over again that the strategies were flawed
and mishandled for years and years
-the surge, and current strategy is succeeding
-will be able to withdraw troops and more and more over time, but with HONOR
-feeling under strain and frustration over war understandable
-when you feel frustration he suggested to go to Walter Reed and actually
talk to the soldiers there
-he stated again that he would rather lose a campaign than lose the war!
-he said that he has talked about and begged the administration stop their
mishandling of the war for years and years
? Terry OH from a small steel town, blue collar worker who said we are losing our country and asked about making sure the troops are supplies and asked for them not to be pulled out too soon. She had no question, but concerns and they had been answered already. McCain asked what town, she said Studenville [???] OH; he said that he would
personally visit her soon. She said that she would see that he could go wherever he wanted to go because she is the Fire Chief there. [And, I believe, that she said she was ex-military, but I failed to write it down so I am not sure.]
?from a Hillraiser from Chicago who is AA and was very long in her speech; he asked about what he was going to do about poverty, Roe v Wade, No Child Left Behind, and domestic violence. McCain responded with praise for Hillary and the caller and said:
-he would improve education and cited that New Orleans had 30 charter schools
-he said he would be for choice and competition
-he said he would encourage teachers, to recruit and keep good teachers, mention
autism and Sp Ec
-said that No Child Left Behind was a good beginning but that it had huge flaws
but that it should be retained and fix the flaws. He mentioned Ted Kennedy
sponsored the NCLB bill
-that education should be affordable and available
-Roe v Wade was responded to like this:
-Roe v Wade was a bad decision
-it changes the culture of America
-he believes in the rights of unborn, but stresses adoption
-maybe look at increasing the care and treatment for young women
-and he stands opposed to partial birth abortions
-we should cherish and support the right of life
Senator McCain ended the Virtual Town Hall with that he will always put his country first -first, last and always!
I do not know how many attended, but I was disappointed with the fact they did not take any calls from FL, but took two or three from Ohio. I guess Ohio is a big important swing state. The Town Hall started about 30 minutes late but lasted for over an hour. There was a live audience and a virtual audience. The request to be a part of the virtual audience had to be made quickly when they announced the meeting. I am so happy to be some small part of several historical events during this historic election process.
#383 storytellers on 06.14.08 at 6:15 pm
if both his parents are US citizens, he is a natural-born citizen and can become POTUS. that’s why JM is a natural-born US citizen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen
the main thing that bothers me about BO’s birth certificate is he seems to take the requirement of Art. I very lightly. it seems like he can’t be bothered to get his original birth certificate or a real copy of it.
it’s the US Constitution: if BO can’t be bothered to prove that he’s a natural-born citizen (and complies with the Constitution) now, while he’s running, how seriously will he take the requirements of the US Constitution if he’s elected? it will be easier for him to ignore those requirements then and he’ll have much more incentive to do so.
you can go to zaba.com and search for a person,
I have found addresses and phone numbers but no email addresses there.
I meant to mention this in my last post. BO tells people to leave his wife out of this..
The media constantly blasted Bill for supporting his wife. I wish they could explain to me how this is different.
I have seen many elections, but this one has left me sad and afraid for our Country. We can not allow BO to be our President. WE CAN NOT..
#389 melinpa on 06.14.08 at 6:24 pm
i’d like to hear about the McCain call, too.
#393 BrooklynNY on 06.14.08 at 6:33 pm
Thanks for the update!
I would also like to add my thanks to all the people who are working so hard to keep this site up and running, creating shirts and logos, drafting letters for us to use, and keeping the level of discourse civil and meaningful.
Thanks!
#401 catsrlove on 06.14.08 at 6:45 pm
i don’t understand how attacking MO is different than attacking BC, which Obama and his campaign did pretty frequently.
This Chinese proverb says alot this is what I think of Nobama and what he will do to our Country:”An ant may well destroy a whole dam and another Chinese proverb that says why I will leave the democratic party in November and vote for senator McCain (if we can’t get Hillary back ) is this: Better a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without one
Oh, payback is a B_____!
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_9587847
click on article about No Name sock puppet. LOL!
Pookie those are words of wisdom with a lot of meaning.
#398 ShortTermer on 06.14.08 at 6:41 pm
thanks for the excellent description of the call!
#397 bluesgal
No, bluesgal. The person you’re talking about is a nurse also, but her name is Christi Atkins. She’s from Justsaynodeal, or ClintonDems (can’t remember which exactly). She was interviewed by Neil Cavuto on FOX and also in a separate interview with Hannity & Colmes on FOX. She was very good.
I’ll see if I can find the youtube link for the interviews for you. Give me a sec.
Hey guys,
Another down. This guy also refused option of becoming HBO’s VP. I’ll send him a “thank you” email.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/14/warner-takes-himself-out-of-obamas-vp-mix/
anonymous
#370, Murphy congratulations! 200,000! It’s the best and most infromative website on the hurdles we face as Americans today! You and your team are unmatched!
Go Pumas!
#313 danceswithpumas, I will not be checking out your links as your husband forced you to post them.
I have been the victim of domestic violence and I know very well that emotional and mental, not just the physical abuse is almost if not more unbearable.
He wont speak to you? That is a good thing.
Forcing someone to do anything is never right, under any circumstances.
I feel for you my dear, you are not alone.
#397 bluesgal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIZ4teKidZk
Here’s Cristi Atkins w/ Neil Cavuto
more to come…
#409 BrooklynNY
I think her name is Cristi Adkins, she’s a founder of c4m in coalition with JustSayNoDeal and I think lives in DC. And I thought she did a great job on Fox News the other night!
#315 Brian Knoxville TN
As far as I know, there have been three murders at Trinity but I’m not sure if Donald Young was the 3rd or not. Yes, David Axelrod did threaten Larry Sinclair on a number of occasions but not sure if those were death threats or just threats to make his life miserable if he didn’t shut up.
At this point, Sinclair has quite a bit of security around him just in case. Hope he makes it to Wednesday and that his evidence is good enough for the press to actually listen for a change.
SDs, we elected them, have they carried our voice? Since Hillary has left, and it truly like No one hear US.
That is why we need Hill, she listens and she speaks for those voiceless.
Among the ones I know for Hill, still either for her, may go Independent or go McCain. Only those was for BO’s speeches, those elites are still for BO, and are very annoyed about why many demo will go JM.
SDs – just let it go to BO? All the Demo Party Leaders are happily behind BO, left 18 million’s will un-noticed?
#398 ShortTermer on 06.14.08 at 6:41 pm
Thanks so much for sharing your notes. What was your take on JM during the call? Did he seem sincere, like he was saying what he really felt and believed, or that he was giving answers that sounded somewhat canned?
A few posts have mentioned that people told them voting for McCain would be like having four more years of Bush. I remember being really annoyed at people who said that voting for Gore would be like four more years of Clinton. I wondered then, as I wonder now, do they even pay attention to the issues, or do they just figure same party, same plans?
#397 bluesgal
Another version of Cristi and Neil (this one is a bit longer):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgNc0PmVym8
Hannity & Colmes to come…..
And yet another posting of the same interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgNc0PmVym8
I didn’t see Democracy for America on the Just Say No Deal coalition listings. I know that Howard Dean formed
this group in 2004, but they have dozens of websites for Internet voters. According to the web site they are all for letting voters decide an election. Does anyone know anything about these groups? I wouldn’t mind sending them info links, but not sure if they aren’t NoNames people now.
Thanks again Murphy for this web site. And thanks to all the dedicated supporters. You are all awesome!
#412 BrooklynNY
Thank you BrooklynNY for the youtube link. And I thought she did a great job too from what I saw. She was gooood!
ShortTermer…thanks so much for sharing the call with us. Also, very much admired your way of responding to Marc. Both you and BrianKnoxville were so thoughtful and appropriate in your responses. Hopefully the seeds you both planted will sprout. Praying for sooner than later!
#406 goandersen on 06.14.08 at 6:51 pm
from the article:
“When have you ever seen another presidential candidate depicted in such a manner? This has been around for 100-plus years, how can you not be aware of that?” he said. “It just blows me away that this would happen. Here we are in 2008 and some people still haven’t gotten it.”
Ummm . . . H E L L O!!! When have we seen a presidential candidate treated like that? You have got to be kidding. While I shouldn’t be stunned at the ignorance, I am. If Rep. Henderson came out this strongly against the nutcracker, well, my apologies. Somehow I don’t believe he did. I am so looking up his email address.
FUNNY/LOSING LOGIC???????????? PART 1
To DNC leaders (Dean, Pelosi, Reid, Brazille, Kennedy)
8 out of the last 10 presidents have been Republicans. I think as boring as the Republicans are, they are in the business of politics, and know what it takes to win the Whitehouse every single time. You guys are so busy mingling with the Hollywood stars and wannabes that you lose sight of winning the WH altogether and this time around is no different. I guess you are wealthy, driving in your Mercs and Limos that it makes little difference if your career changes from one cabinet position to another.
The “Farce” that is now the Primary was supposed to yield the candidate that has the most chance in winning the WH with 300 electoral votes. Sure Senator Obama won more states and does well in caucus states, well done to him. But as leaders you lost sight on your main goal to elect the candidate that can EASILY get those 300 electoral votes. Senator Clinton won all those swing states EASILY. I guess you all like a little challenge.
I’m certain that there are many internal divisions and personal agendas amongst all of you and between the different camps, perhaps that is why you’ve only won 2/10 times. Oh I knowwww, personal standings/emotions can never be brushed aside, and that is why you didn’t support Senator Clinton. Fair enough, that I understand, but in turns you gave 18 million people, you know the other half (50%) of your voters FALSE hope that Senator Clinton has a chance of winning. Those voters’ personal emotions can not be brushed aside either, just as you can not with Senator Clinton. (Dear DNC leaders, imagine your child entering a tennis match and lost through some close line-call decisions. Only right after the match you realized your child never stood a chance, as the chair umpire is a relative of your child’s opponent)
Remember all, Go to “All About Puma Part 1 and sign up user name, city and state. Do it now.
FUNNY/LOSING LOGIC???????????? PART 2
$$$$$$$$$$ I hear your party is having problem raising money! Hahahahaha!!!
Let me ask this fundamental question. How much money did you/Senator Obama have to spend in order to get the youth votes? Tens/hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent to get the youth to vote for the first time, through an ENORMOUS effort of media, ground-work, internet, blogs, rallies, busing students, etc… Just to get them to vote, and many are first time voters. That is a wonderful effort from Senator Obama camp, and I applaud them. BUT, in doing so and the way this Primary has run out, you are alienating most of your loyal-life-long Democratic voters. You knowwww, those boring old age, blue collar, middle class RELIABLE voters. Not to mention some Hispanics, Asians, etc… Being loyal-life-long Democratic voters, meaning you didn’t have to spend millions of dollars to convince them to vote for your party. Dare I say an OBSCENE amount of money ($500m+) have been spent on this primary already, and campaigning for over a year now. How much money do you think your party or the next crop of candidates will need to raise in order to keep the youth’s attention span long enough to vote for you guys in the next election and there after? I don’t know, shall we put a figure on it? $1B+ and campaigning (ground-work) to start ~3 years in advance. Meanwhile, the reliable voting block is disregarded as CHEAP votes, and instead you are pursuing the EXPENSIVE votes.
*****$$$ Funny ha? It takes 0 cents to get these reliable life-long-democrats to come out voting for you every 4yrs, but since this primary a good majority of them will have found a new lease of life in INDEPENDENT-LAND, it will now take your party tens/hundreds of millions just to get them back. Adults have very long memory you know. You guys are geniuses. I’m considering nomination the lot of you for the next round of Noble Prizes, in the Economic category under the heading “New Wave Budgeting” so you can join Al Gore with his round of the world Carbon-Saving trip.
*****$$$ DNC leaders, you thought that you and the media have created the perfect candidate for the country and world through shielding his truths. But now you have created a monster that is slowly grasping your power away from you. His followers (around the world?) have been donating money to him and not your party. That means he and his people now run the show, am I right? Soon, what power do you have when the money giver (god knows who and where?) start popping up and shaking your hands as if they are on par with you?
“New Wave DNC Math” In November; ok so Senator McCain wins Michigan with 1000 votes, he gets 20 electoral votes. Senator Obama is very close behind with 997 votes, the percentage is 99.7%, and round that up to the nearest number is 100%, so Senator Obama also gets 20 electoral votes.
I realized the DNC leaders partly blame the Clintons for Al Gore’s loss in 2000, and now sort of like a payback. Fair enough, but to now you want to pass the baton on to a junior senator who has little clue about making decisions to hold the highest position in the land/world. Sorry guys, NO CAN’T DO!!!
DaddysDarling:
“#313 danceswithpumas, I will not be checking out your links as your husband forced you to post them.
I have been the victim of domestic violence and I know very well that emotional and mental, not just the physical abuse is almost if not more unbearable.
He wont speak to you? That is a good thing.
Forcing someone to do anything is never right, under any circumstances.
I feel for you my dear, you are not alone.”
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I was not the psoter of the original quote, I was responding to another who posted the remarks about her husband not speaking to her unless.. forcing her to post the link, etc.
My comments were that her husband was immature and emotionally abusive, etc.
Beyond the confusion, I am in total agreement with you.
#421 Melinpa
For real. They have different rules applied to them I guess, very strange and scary.
Good for you Melinpa. I think he should hear from us.
OMG- I love the coupon idea (#160)! I will be cutting and laughing all the way to the post on Monday. Finally a use for all those stupid coupon that litter my mailbox and newspaper. Wait I cancelled my paper – hope the paperboy delivers it again erronously. Wahoo!!!
#397 Bluesgirl
Christi (fr. Justsaynodeal) w/ Hannity & Colmes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7S2-AQx-TM&feature=related
No way, No McCain. And don’t jump all over me. I’ve had too many Republicans in my life to join them now. No, No! I’ll do other things that boycott companies that advertise on TV and websites for example, but not a Republican. Okay, you’ve convinced me on Roe vs. Wade and the Supreme Court, but even moderate Republicans have been a pain in the neck. My action is to exposed the Democratic Party for what it is and clean it out.
DaddysDarlin:
The poster re: husband forcing, etc. was
c4hill #286
#419 bluesgal,
Yeah, I thought she was great! Really lifted my spirits when I saw the interviews!
Hannity is becoming my media hero these days. He’s one of the few that’s not afraid to go against the media current re: The Crown Prince. My gratitude and admiration for him grows daily.
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#398 ShortTermer,
Great post! Thank you for sharing the call with us all. It was great to read about it. I noticed the he mentioned Hillary
This is a hysterical video. Hillary and Ellen are the best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNee7eoKP6k&feature=related
anonymous
#418 Utah Puma
Democracy for America is run by Howard Dean’s brother, Jim. I doubt they are in our camp.
#429 mayor0102,
Your desire to expose the Democratic Party for what it has become and to clean it out is the ultimate goal of almost everyone here. We will appreciate anything and everything you can do to make it happen!
#406
Just to clarify. I do not condone this kind of thing. I think it is offensive to anyone.
Hi people.
I’ll come right out and say that I’m an Obama supporter. I came to this site just to check out what’s going on with the PUMA PAC thing and I must say that it’s quite a good site. Props to whomever started this thing.
Anyway… there’s lots of nastiness out there between Obama and Hillary supporters and I have to say that I am SOOOO sick of it. Not all Obama supporters are nasty and rude. Not all Hillary supporters are either. I am a white woman in my 30s and while I would love to see a woman President, I voted for the cantidate who fell most in line with what I believe. The cantidate whom I admired. I realize that you all did the same. And as horrible and rude and corrupt you think Obama is— well— lots of his supporters feel the same way about Hillary. We all are convinced that the opposing cantidates supporters are blind or ignorant or both. I’m not about to ask any of you to support Obama… I don’t really care what other people do… But anyone who votes McCain out of spite rather than bcause they truly believe in his platform… I can’t help but believe that that person IS blind and ignorant.
No cantidate is perfect, but if you think that Hillary had it tougher than Barack because she was a woman— I can’t help but think that in terms of breaking ground it was sort of a wash and they both made enormous strides in our white mail-dominated world.
Just my opinion.
I’d love to have some pleasant discussion with anyone who cares to respond. Again, I realize that you guys like Sen. Clinton as much as I like Sen. Obama and i’d like to hear more from from the other point of view…. and point of view which, in terms of what the cantidates want for this country, I do not consider to be “opposing”.
mamapuma #218 — I did the Exact Same Thing yesterday!
great minds think alike!
Thanks, shorttermer, for the wonderful synopsis of the online meeting.
Thanks, Murphy, for this town hall/action meeting we have access to each day.
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Re #290 – merryjaine–I am an educator and have been in a touchy situation this year during my state’s primary. Several of my students asked me why in the world anyone would vote for a woman…what could a woman do? (I gave them my evil-teacher eye and said, “Excuse me…?) I have to remain so neutral politically in the classroom, but had to use that as an opportunity to list off a few dozen amazing women who have changed the world. Out of the mouths of babes, right? It was clear I was hearing a version of something heard at home. It’s always a battle out there.
OMG, read about this death threat against Larry Sinclair unless he cancels Wednesday’s appearance! Obama’s supporters are scary.
http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/obama-supporter-states-heshe-will-kill-me-if-i-do-not-cancel-npc-event/
shorttermer #398
THANK YOU for reporting on the conference call.
Great Job!
We need a vote of no confidence on the present DNC administration.
We let them get away with anarchy.
Their actions are unprecedented, and probably illegal. These bozos need to be kicked out and replaced.
We need a new administration who will respect and follow the will of FL and MI voters.
Re: Democracy for America and Blog for America
I was a supporter of Howard Dean when he was the Governor of VT. Those of us who supported him during the primary BEGGED him not to go to the DNC or he would ultimately end up as corrupt as everyone else. Obviously that’s the case.
I was a member of their blog since the 2004 primary season, and quit about three or so months ago. Some of their most devoted and long-term supporters got harassed off the blog because they didn’t support Obama. It was just incredible. So, no, they’re not on our side. They are all Obama, all the time.
#431 BrooklynNY
Thank you again for all the youtube links. I agree with you about Hannity. He says what he thinks about OB, no matter who is on their show. And if he finds out something about OB, he will tell it. Hannity is one of the shows I watch too. Even though he is a replublican, I believe if he had to choose who would be President, OB or Hillary, I think he would choose Hillary.
I also watch O’Reilly and Greta sometimes. I quit watching CNN and MSNBC.
When people mention Supreme Court Justice choice and Roe vs Wade; I just simply respond: I am now 62 years old and becoming pregnant is no longer an issue for me.
If they come back saying: “What about your children?” I say, and truthfully so: I have two sons and they are quite able to vote for themselves.
Besides, I tell them: Supreme Court Justices are required to uphold the US Constitution and the law, and Roe vs Wade is the law; so what makes you so sure than any Judge would overturn it.
If they persist I say: Any President may appoint a judge but they cannot anoint them—that part is up to Congress to confirm their appointment.
Then I add, I can still vote for McCain and split up my vote to allow more Democrates in.
Finally, if that doesn’t work I say: Listen dude; I am a registered Republican who was willing to cross party lines for Hillary, but will not, cannot vote for Mr O. So if I want to go back to McCain, that is not your choice but mine to make.
If they say, but Obama represents real change: I ask: What change. Show me one policy that he has introduced as senator that represents real change?
That’s when they usually go into silent mode.
Kathleen
Lin4Hill
Hi partner in teaching. You are so right! That’s exactly the way it is. I turn right to the textbook and other novels in my room that speak of powerful women and ordinary everyday girls that are proud role models to follow. The students want to know who I support and I usually tell them that if they truly want to know, go check out the bumper on my car (which is parked off school grounds). It’s only been keyed once, broken into twice, and egged more than I can count. But that’s being a teacher in a neighborhood that has the most police calls in town. And would you believe, we still can’t get the National Certification bonus for our teachers who pass the requirements for our school which is 80% free and reduced lunch.
#431 BrooklynNY
I have become a listener of Hannity’s weekly radio show myself. Christi A. was on his radio show this past Wednesday or Thursday. She was a great example of of how, I think, we all feel regarding the Democratic Party today. But the one thing that really got my attention was when he asked her if the media had been fair in the coverage of the Clintons and would it be “fair game” to ask or to have asked Bill or Hillary questions regarding Jones, Flower, Willy, etc. She did not try and change the subject, take the long way around the barn with fluff, but answered directly: She said questions regarding those issues were fair even though they were not policy but it was about judgement and character. Just before that, Hannity got clobbered by a O supporter accusing him of “hating” him and Hannity was defending himself saying that it had nothing to do about hating anyone but finding out the truth about someone. He went on to say that he would continue to ask questions until they were answered. Yes, Christi was great on that show and she was an attribute to the Clintons with her direct answers to Hannity’s questions. I feel she earned respect from Sean in return. Just my take on this.
RE HOWARD DEAN LETTER FOR MONDAY, 16 JUNE 2008
UPDATE
We now have Pumas from 21 different states who have said “YES I WILL” send the letter to Howard Dean on Monday! I’m truly impressed and gladdened to know just how deeply so many of us are committed to the Puma goals and to working together to achieve them. Thank you.
If you have not yet looked at the proposal for Monday in #14 (and at the extra details for printing and sending the letter in #184) above, please go look and consider joining fellow Pumas in speaking loudly and in one voice to Dr. Dean on Monday.
In the meantime, Elaine has contacted other groups and I have received confirmation from Pam Hamilton at ClintonDems that she and others in her group will be sending the letter on Monday as well.
I don’t think I’ve ever done this before, but I JUST can’t stop myself…. GGGGRRRROOOOWWWWLLLLLLL!
#445
Sorry I did a type-o on my post. It should say, “Even though, he is a Republican”.
Jessafina #438
I posted your comment because I want you to know why I posted it.
This forum is for Democrats who are Protesting the 2008 Presidential Election for three reasons:
1. the DNC’s disenfranchisement and disregard for the voters of Michigan and Florida, two of our party’s MOST important states.
2. the failure of the DNC to take loud, frequent, and unequivocal stands against the rampant media sexism in the campaign
3. the failure of Senator Obama and his campaign to speak out firmly and unequivocally against the sexism directed at Senator Clinton
We will not be intimidated, guilt-tripped, or bullied into a nominee who was selected, not elected.
You insulted our members in your comment. That is absolutely unwelcome here.
More insulting comments from you will be deleted.
cosmeta #446
When the obamabots bring up Roe, I tell them:
roe v wade was your grandma’s battle. and your grandma won. and your grandma supports hillary.
dont throw your grandmas under the bus obamabots!
For those who asked, here is my reaction to Senator McCain’s Virtual Town Hall meeting was reinforcement to how I felt about him before. He placed emphasis with the tone and volume of his voice on items that he wanted Hillary supporters to know, like I am not like Bush. His voice showed how sincere and how deeply patriotic he is. When he said County First and Party Second and even mentions of MY country he had deference in his voice. I got chills as he talked thinking that if only Obama measured up to this honorable and patriotic man. And, when he talked about speaking with soldiers on the battlefield in Iraq, and losing comrades during the Viet Nam war and trying to do honor to them through his service, again I had chills. One thought I had, is this man does not take situations as per reports from others, he does the legwork to see firsthand and for himself what is going on and listens to the boots on the ground as well as the generals. I am beginning to compare him with my beloved hero from WWII, General MacArthur, my Daddy served under MacArthur in the pivotal battles in the South Pacific and those men who were given impossible commands loved that general, mainly because he was on the battlefield with them – I believe that is the sort of Commander-in-Chief that John McCain would make. He shares our deep believe that our country is in peril and out deep and abiding love of our country.
Now there are some points of difference between Hillary [and me] and McCain. I think he overestimates the value of Roe v Wade, what I wanted to hear him say that abortions should be safe/available/and rare. He proposed some items I had not heard before, like the Cash & Counseling for seniors, so he has detailed and specific short and goals to reach the broader objectives and long term goals. McCain, much like Hillary, has specific interim goals which contrast sharply with Obama’s overall strategy.
I came away feeling very comfortable with my vote for McCain if Hillary is not nominated by the DNC. He is an honorable man, who above all has a deep and abiding love for his country -our country- and honestly wants America to be the same America many of us grew up in, only better.
Right around the time Hillary gave her suspension speech, I heard it reported that the BHO team were expecting to get at least an 8-10 point boost in the polls within two weeks time.
Several polls have been done lately, and he is only showing a 2-6 point lead. When comparing other presidential bids Carl Rove said, they got a 19 point lead.
Conclusion: BHO is in trouble!
Both he and McCain are now trolling for Hillary votes. So within the next few weeks we will be able to see which way the wind is blowing.
#445 bluegal,
Same here, bluesgal. I like Greta also. She’s always fair, not afraid to say her mind, not susceptible to manipulation, straight-talking, clear-thinking. I like her. It amazes me that I can actually watch Bill O. at times these days….but I can. Talk about change. LOL.
I can’t watch CNN and MSNBC anymore either. Sad because I used to be a TV news junkie. I can barely turn on the TV these days. I keep the remote close, so I can press the mute button and switch the channel fast. Can’t stand the bs anymore. I feel like they’re trying to brainwash me.
Whenever I see Chris Matthews all I get the picture in my mind of the video clip of him dancing with Ellen DeGeneres that day on her show, where he was groping the heck out of her, pretending it was accidental. It was disgusting.
You’re welcome about the videos. It was my pleasure.
Ugh. I just read the synopsis of McCain’s teleconference. ABYSMAL.
- don’t ask, don’t tell: he’ll leave those civil rights up to the leaders of the military??
-he’ll increase the women appointments by making ½ of the appointments female and by the end of his first term.
Just because you stand in a garage, it doesn’t make you a car. Not all women have a feminist perspective, nor are all women invested in women’s rights. Gender isn’t the issue, the mindset is.
McCain is the guy who said woman couldn’t break through the glass ceiling because they needed more training and education!
Imagine? What a complete lackwit.
This guy has gall. He’s a stone-aged conservative Republican.
And I’m sick to death of hearing about his POW status. Get counseling and move on. And I’m sick to death of hearing him say the troops won’t leave Iraq without “honor”. Going into Iraq was not honorable, why didn’t he say something then? Just get the hell out already. Honor schmonor. You want to be honorable? Take care of the thousands of broken soldiers that have been kicked out of the military due to “pre-existing” health issues after ten, 12, 15, years of service, all because treating them on the military’s dime would be a sacrifice.
What am I doing?? It’s easier to say I am to the depth of me 1000% against McCain’s positions, every last one of them. He truly will be McBush on steroids
That said, if the DNC doesn’t clean up its circus act before the August convention, and make things right,
my votes goes to Jackal McCain (at which point I am sure I will vaprorize and head to greener pastures).
Thank you Murphy for #451, I had to walk away from my keyboard.
Besides the shirts, or the decals or stickers available at this time?
#431 Jeremy.
I agree with you.
cosmeta #454
Jessafina #438 does us the favor of showing us exactly why Obama is going to have BIG trouble attracting new voters. Compare her insults and condescension with shorttermer’s description of McCain’s approach.
Obama’s inexperience in EVERYTHING, including leading his supporters in graciousness and modesty by example just gets clearer and clearer every day.
#438 jessafina
I completely agree with #451 Murphy, although speaking for myself I was not insulted.
If you would like to read our posts, I have no problem with that at all and hope you find enlightening insights in their contents. Besides, if you would like to read our posts, I don’t think there’s anything to stop you or anyone else from doing it…
But please do not use our forum for purposes other than those intended. Unless you want to help us achieve our goals, please do not attempt to initiate tangential discussions at our site.
I have never tried to use any Obama supporters’ forums to advance my own ends. Please respect our space as well.
Thank you.
Sorry for taking up bandwith with the rant… in snuck up and spewed out of me, but it is how I feel.
#452 Murphy
Bravo Murphy. Roe and Wade is a non issue. Where have these people been for the past 35 years. The world has truly “changed” with a lot of other options in reproductive technology that are available to women. Such fear mongering must be due to desperation.
DancesWithPumas
No worries. I just don’t want you to vaporize. LOL! I hope not!
kavala #462
exactomundo.
I just read the post #270 loca 2525 and post#340 Mayor0102, am I reading this right, is the DNC planning on doing a fund raiser using New Orleans and the victims of Katrina to raise money?
If this is the case, then I would greatly appreciate it if many of you would send a letter opposing this. I am on the Mississippi Gulf Coast and we are victims of Katrina. To use this as a disguise for a fundraiser is outrageous.
Hi Jessifina, while I will fight to the death (as they say) for your right to vote for Senator Obama -for the life of me I have yet to hear anything from an Obama supporter that gives me any clear idea what exactly he is about-he talks about change-well what change-from what to what exactly-and how is he planning to get us there-if the way he has managed to become the “presumptive nominee” is any indication of how he goes about business-(and I believe it is) then this country is in for some very very deep trouble-
not all of us are voting for John McCain but just as we give you the freedom to vote for S. Obama then please let us vote according to our hearts and conscience and let it alone-we vote for J. McCain not out of blindness and ignorance but out of a real concern that if B. Obama is the Democratic candidate he is not only not the best candidate-he would be the worst candidate this country has seen in a long long time -believe me when I say this that Democrats who vote for McCain are doing it very very thoughtfully
Jessfina
You’re a brave young person for coming into this site. I find most PUMAs to be very gentle people with strong ideas. Thank you for being courteous. I don’t see or hear that much from other O supporters (from September through now). Its not about being on the “loosing side” because I’ve been there many times and never felt so abused or disenfrancised as I have this time from the Democratic Party, the media, and the O campaign. We have to walk in someone’s shoes to really understand the emotions, the reality, and the thinking (intelligence) that drives a person’s place and decisions in life. For me, this is the place I’m most comfortable and supporting PUMA is the best way I can in all good conscience show the world that there is another path to walk on. Best wishes for a good future.
Hi every one. I’m new to this site and this is my first post, but I just had to say something about the link that leads to the obmama sock monkey..it’s funny that it was posted here, because I had written my letter on this website to Howard Dean. In it, I had pointed out that Obama was going to be nothing more than the spokes person for all the crooked politicians that are behind him. Why else would an unknown Senator suddenly decide that he could do a better job of running this country than someone as seasoned as Hillary Clinton? Also, if you go to the DNC website and investigate the 50 state strategy, and keep poking around you will find that they are corrupting the Democratic party to seem more and more like a Socialist or Marxist type party. I heard a speech of Howard speaking at the Liberal Leadership Convention in Canada in which he made reference to creating a PERMANENT DEMOCRATIC ELECTION. To me that is proof that he and the other crooks are looking for total and lasting power..it really makes me fear for our country. Investigate it and I’m sure you will agree, when you put it all together(50 state strategy, grass roots movement that has been going on a long time before Obama came on the scene, and their cocky attitude that they don’t need us) is evidence that Obama is nothing more than a puppet for Howard Dean and the other power mongers.
Are you bored? Do you need a vacation? Would you like to do something special. How about attending our new Obamabot Training Camp?
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hqblog
#398, #453 ShortTermer,
Thank you so much for sharing with us the details of the McCain Town Hall! I really appreciate your efforts to take notes during the call and then transcribe everything here for us. That was quite a job and you did it magnificently. I am very grateful. I was hoping to get in on the call, but I am so glad you did. I don’t think I could have recorded everything as thorougly and attentively as you did. Again, thanks!
Re: Your take on the call. Thank you so much for sharing that also. It’s reinforces the conclusions I’m coming to about the man. I have a lot of respect for him; I think he’s sincere and he’s going to do a good job. He may not be on the same page as I am on every issue, but I can live with the discrepancies by knowing where his heart’s at and that I do genuinely believe he does put country first, as you quoted him.
#453 ShortTermer,
I’m sorry DanceWithPumas, but ShortTermer’s synopsis of the call left me even more sure that I’m comfortable with McCain than before, and really for the very reasons that ShortTermer presented in #453. I do not believe McCain is perfect. I’m sorry to admit it, but I do not believe Hillary is perfect, though I love her and respect her as a great leader. I’m not looking for perfect. I have followed McCain since before the 2000 Republican nomination process and have always believed that, in his heart, he loves our country more than he does his party and that he will always try to do what is best for the country before doing what is best for himself (though I think he’s had to say and do some things for his party’s benefit in the last few years in order to get to a position where he can lead the country and really do some good). I believe that that is exactly what he thinks, believes and feels, and I am comfortable with him. Obviously, I would have wanted to vote for Hillary, but we all know why that won’t be possible this year.
Thank you again ShortTermer!
MURPHY, YOU ARE THE GREATEST!!!!!!!!! In reference to Jessafina #438.. Your reply was RIGHT ON TARGET!!! I could feel my ear’s pull back and my hair standing as I was reading her/his comment…….Thank You, your reply was the best….It was based on pure reason and not emotion like I would have done….Will be placing my order for shirts and mugs on Sunday. I will call friends and family to get their requests too. I cannot express enough how greatful we are to be a part of the wonderful cause. You are deeply and greatly appreciated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mac, Go to the Denver Post and research recent articles on the convention welcoming parties. I am most willing to get the address of the Friends Organization and write to them. Also writing letter to the editors of newspapers in the New Orleans, Gulf Coast area would be dthoughtful. However, we must make sure that the welcome party that is talked about is or is not a fundraiser for the victims. If its a fundraiser for the victims, then we should leave it along. More research is needed.
Good Evening PUMAs!
Fliers distributed in Microsoft Imaging. If you can not access, please email me.
I only had two ready to go so far. Please send me more to distribute!
MarylandPUMA
Just want to say Hello today, and I am till 100% agaisnt BO!!!
For those of you who asked here it is: My reaction to Senator McCain’s Virtual Town Hall meeting was reinforcement to how I felt about him before. He placed emphasis with the tone and volume of his voice on items that he wanted Hillary supporters to know, like I am not like Bush. His voice showed how sincere and how deeply patriotic he is. When he said Country First and Party Second and even with the mentions of MY country he had deference in his voice. I got chills as he talked thinking that if only Obama measured up to this honorable and patriotic man. And, when he talked about speaking with soldiers on the battlefield in Iraq, and losing comrades during the Viet Nam war and trying to do honor to them through his service, again I had chills. One thought I had is that this man does not take situations as per reports from others, he does the legwork to see firsthand and for himself what is going on and listens to the boots on the ground as well as the generals. I am beginning to compare him with my beloved hero from WWII, General MacArthur, my Daddy served under MacArthur in the pivotal battles in the South Pacific and those men who were given impossible commands loved General MacArthur and would have followed into battle anywhere anytime, mainly because he was on the battlefield with them – I believe that is the sort of Commander-in-Chief that John McCain would make. He shares our deep belief that our country is in peril and he speaks form the heart out deep and abiding love of our country.
Now there are some points of difference between Hillary [and me] and McCain. I think he overestimates the value of Roe v Wade, what I wanted to hear him say that abortions should be safe/available/and rare. He proposed some items I had not heard before, like the Cash & Counseling for seniors, so he has detailed and specific short term objectives to reach the broader objectives and long term goals. McCain, much like Hillary, has specific interim goals which contrast sharply with Obama’s overall strategy.
I came away feeling very comfortable with my vote for McCain if Hillary is not nominated by the DNC. He is an honorable man, who above all has a deep and abiding love for his country -our country- and honestly wants America to be the same America many of us grew up in, only better.
#453 ShortTermer on 06.14.08 at 7:47 pm
Thank you (again) for sharing your opinion. Having lived in NH most of my life, I was able to hear J McCain speak in very intimate settings, and your impressions of him are the same as mine were in 2000. I certainly don’t agree with him on all the issues, but would I agree with any candidate on all the issues? No. Do I trust him more than Obama. Yes.
It’s getting easier to think of pulling the lever for him in November.
#455BrooklynNY
I didn’t used to watch Bill O’Reilly. But somehow, during this election, I started watching his show. Then thats when I started noticing how Fox was much fairer to Hillary than CNN and MSNBC. And I watched Hillary when she was on O’Reilly and I thought she was great and O’Reilly talked great about Hillary after the interview. He even went on Greta and told about this group that was telling lies about Hillary, trying to smear her name and even threating Hillary and her family.
Also, about Chris Matthews, that was disgusting. I just happen to see it, while I was flipping thru the channels.
I’m like you, I keep my remote handy.
thanks casper cat.
we were the subject of a post on the CBC (canadian broadcasting co) site today.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/blogwatch/2008/06/clinton_supporters_make_the_ju.html
taking us seriously (as they should)
We are serious of purpose and firm of heart.
#469 AntFish,
EEeeEEewWwwWW!
antifish #469
OMG
OMFG
weird. just weird.
Mac regarding #465: I heard that there already is a non-profit organization called “Friends of Katrina.” This organization supposedly will be sponsoring some of the “welcoming parties” for the delegates arriving in Denver. The reason: lack of funds that the DNC has for these planned events. When questioned about it, a spokesperson for the group said that their intent was to make people “aware” of the tragedy of Katrina and what they were doing to assist. This is something that definately needs to be monitored. I first head of it about a week ago.
Do any of you remember the Kamir Rouge? There methods of “training” the youth in Cambodia and then in Viet Nam once our troops pulled out? The “Killing Fields”. What is happening in our country right now is more than scary. We are doing the right thing by standing together, getting stronger every day. By being decent, loving and accepting we are setting an example that surely needs to be set. Again, we must focus on the positive to combat what we do not want.
I first heard- I need a new keyboard.
# 438 Jessafina,
Here are some of Senator Hillary Clinton’s words about what change really is about:
“MAKING CHANGE IS NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU BELIEVE, IS NOT ABOUT A SPEECH YOU MAKE, IT IS ABOUT WORKING HARD, THERE ARE 7,000 KIDS IN NEW HAMPSHIRE WHO HAVE HEALTHCARE BECAUSE I HELPED TO CREATE THE CHILDREN’S HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAM. THERE ARE 2,700 NATIONAL GUARD AND RESERVE MEMBERS WHO HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE BECAUSE ON A BI-PARTISAN BASIS I PUSHED LEGISLATION THROUGH OVER THE OBJECTION OF THE PENTAGON, OVER THE THREAT OF A VETO FROM PRESIDENT BUSH. I WANT TO MAKE CHANGE BUT I’VE ALREADY MADE CHANGE, I WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE CHANGE, I’M NOT JUST RUNNING ON A PROMISE OF CHANGE, I’M RUNNING ON 35 YEARS OF CHANGE, I’M RUNNING ON HAVING TAKEN ON THE DRUG COMPANIES, AND THE HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES, TAKING ON THE OIL COMPANIES, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT IS CLEAR THAT WHAT WE NEED IS SOMEBODY WHO CAN DELIVER CHANGE AND WE DON’T NEED TO BE RAISING THE FALSE HOPES OF OUR COUNTRY ABOUT WHAT CAN BE DELIVERED. THE BEST WAY TO KNOW WHAT CHANGE I WILL PRODUCE IS TO LOOK AT THE CHANGES THAT I’VE ALREADY MADE” Hillary Clinton
I will NEVER settle for the selection the DNC wants to impose on me. As someone once said, “I RESPECT MY VOTE TOO MUCH TO VOTE FOR SOMEONE I DON’T RESPECT”
Mac Re: New Orleans Fundraising
DNC slashes party venues
By CHUCK PLUNKETT – THE DENVER POST | 6/5/08 2:11 PM EST Text Size:
After months of planning for two dozen parties to fete the 56 delegations to the Democratic National Convention — and facing financial difficulties — the city’s host committee is scrapping those parties and holding one big bash.
The party for the 6,000 delegates and their guests on Aug. 24 will honor Friends of New Orleans, a charity formed to help that city recover from the devastation of Hurricane Katrina.The host committee originally said in a news release that Friends of New Orleans would be hosting the party. That is incorrect, according to the group, which raises funds for non-profit groups in Louisiana. The host committee is paying for the party. After the party, Friends of New Orleans is planning a gathering of its own at Fillmore Auditorium to raise awareness of the rebuilding efforts. The group plans a similar event at the Republican National Convention in Minnesota.
#479 murphy,
Thanks for posting that link to cbc.ca!
That was fun to read. Word’s getting out. Won’t it be funny when the rest of the world knows all about PUMA et al., but mainstream media in the US hasn’t a clue?! Scooped by the CBC. How embarassing is that for those crack journalists, Matthews, Obermann and crew?!
Recently I was on the McCain blog and I am sorry to say I found it so upsetting. I even left a post basically saying that it is alright to disagree with someones political view points but I felt that is was so unfair to go on Senator McCains blog and call his wife deplorable names. These were not Senator Clinton supporters using these words. Unfortunately, the BO supporters should see the damage this causes to their own candidate. There is a point of going to far. I wish they would realize this. Thank you Murphy for your response to #438
OK, I know most of you are engrossed in a conversation about McCain, but if any of you looked at the link I posted at #469, did a chill run down your spine? Why would the Obama campaign spent the money to sent people to six week camps? Upon completion, these “Fellows” will be charged with getting others to join “the movement”? Does this concern anyone other than me? What is happening?
Thank all of you for your kind comments. I have never worked on a national campaign before, but my gut asks me: if not now, when? As I deem this the MOST important Presidential election of our lifetime, may all time.
I am far behind with my research and such, but will leave you for a little while as I have not eaten today, not good.
Hillary Republicn!!!
PUMA Democrat!!!!!
#454 cosmeta, THANK YOU! I AM SO GLAD THAT HBO WILL GO DOWN. I CAN’T STAND HIM!!!
THANK YOU,
Anonymous
Mac, Hope this answers your questions and concerns. It looks as if the Friends of New Orleans is holding these awareness parties on both sides of the isle to in order to get the support they need. Yes, there’s probably a cost, but hopefully they are being funded by some big donors who believe that this is an important step to help the victims. I feel okay with this approach, but do more research if you’re concerned. E-mail the Friends of New Orleans and find out the details from their organization.
Meant “spend” and “send”. I’m upset.
ShortTermer…
You mentioned your admiration for John McCain (my words and not yours) in his townhall meeting. etc.
Well the thought came to me: That with all BHO’s charismatic charm and his huge rallies; starting out with 2 thousand, then 7 and finishing with 65 thousand… With all his money outspending Hillary 2,3, or even 5 to 1… etc.
Do you realize what a fantastic job she did by going into small rural areas in smaller town hall settings (just like McCain) and still ending up in a virtual tie with BHO.
I mean, … let’s face it… those big rallies may be a great photo op… but they do not necessarily translate into mainstream votes. If they did, he should have crushed Hillary and he didn’t because she ended up with more of the popular vote—and yes, even after his 12 state win a few months back.
Well—I don’t know about anyone else here, but I think that was a FANTASTIC VICTORY and shows that money does not win votes. To me, that says a great deal because I truly believe that the DNC is pushing and backing BHO because they see him as their cash cow.
It also tells me, that all those younger folks who showed up for those rallies, were either too young to vote or not really interested in voting. They were just there to be there and perhaps to be part of something. It tells me, that there is a good chance, that come the fall, when our youth is back in school or college their minds are going to be elsewhere and they may not come out to the polls.
Remember too… that if the surge works better than what it is now, that will give McCain the edge. And god forbid we or our allies get attacked, again that would favor McCain. It would make BHO’s position weak.
This type of thinking is the reason why I favored Hillary. Yes, she voted for the way based upon false information… but that vote showed me that she was not afraid to protect us if need be. By comparison, BHO gave a speech when only running for the Illinois senate. He had no vote because he wasn’t elected yet. But after he was, in just about every issue relating to the war, he has voted to support our troops with additional funds. So if he wanted to stop the war, why didn’t he vote like Dennis Kucinache not to fund the war? Mr O is on the senate arms services committee and even heads it; and has done absolutely nothing. Oh, I forget, he is campaigning again. Which says to me, that he is a chronic campaigner and is at a loss without his stump and grandstanding speeches.
I look at BHO when he talks and I do not feel as though he is connecting with his audience. Rather he is talking above them. He never looks directly at the camera, (an art Bush perfected). Instead he moves his head from right to left, and always with his head pointed upward in an air of superiority. (He is working with a teleprompter, you see. I did not find this to be true with Hillary; and neither do I find it in McCain; basically because most of the time they do not use a teleprompter. But watch Mr O when he is on his feet and working extemporaneously. When he does, he makes many errors and contradictory statements. He shows his inexperience then and his lack of knowledge. He shows that he is not fit to be our President. Watch him as he makes a presentation on the senate floor… and we see a very dull, dry, intellectual… a lecturer; devoid of any charisma at all. So if the youth vote is expecting someone who will inspire them, all they will get is just another politician. And with BHO, a man in an empty suit, IMO.
Hey there everyone, happy Saturday evening.
I was poking around various websites and came across an article on this site which talks about Obama’s child not being happy with the Obama Girl videos. Well, I’ll quote a few words from the article here, as I found it quite funny in a sad, shaking my head kind of way. Another example of Obama not thinking before opening his mouth.
Here is the article:
http://wcbstv.com/national/Democrats.presidential.candidates.2.288073.html
Here is what made me chuckle:
Sen. Obama, D-Ill., said he knows the video was meant to be lighthearted, but he wasn’t smiling when asked about it in the interview.
“I guess it’s too much to ask, but you do wish people would think about what impact their actions have on kids and families,” Obama said.
“This is part of the process of politics that can be difficult, (that) is making sure that your kids and your wife and your family are insulated from both things like this and what I suspect will be at some point some negative campaigning,” Obama said.
holy! I’m still laughing, god knows a 5 min video will affect them forever, but their childhood in a hate mongering church will have no effect.
I apologize if this post is outside the bounds of this site, I really just find his answers unbelievably stupid.
#474 Maryland PUMA I just sent you an email with a link to tomorrow’s meeting. PLEASE PASS IT AROUND. It will be in NY.
Thank you for helping me out yesterday.
anonymous
MURPHY
I am thinking about writing several newspapers in my area telling readers about pumapac. I was wondering if you had any suggestions about what to write. There is alot of Hillary Clinton supporters here and in other cities and more people might join up if they knew about it.
Okay, now I have to type this quickly and go away for real because it is storming here right now.
OMG about the training camp.
My son and I were talking about the election [I bore him to death} and he said we should look up the predictions of Nostradamas. Nostradamas, he said, had predicted Hitler by name, and that a major world power who fall under the hands of someone wearing a blue turbine, or something like that…..and we talked about Hitler and
Hitler was worshipped and followed blindly by his followers. Gotta Go.
#488 Mac
I know, Mac. It is pretty awful what they do when they invade the McCain blog. They sometimes pretend to be conservative Republicans and attack Hillary people with stereotypical conservative bigotry. You know it’s not a true conservative R. because it’s so uniform. You almost think they’re reading from a script. Have you noticed that too there? I wish they’d keep the trolls off JM’s. It’s getting tiresome.
#469 antifish – words fail me – this is just so pathetic – those kids (I’m old) don’t even look as tho they’re old enough to vote – how did we get to this? Is it the schools, the colleges, the parents???? TV as babysitters, too much video, no books, no writing – I’m sometimes just dumbfounded – I can be just as stupid too – but I know that most of the time I can step back & say whoa – what just happened & get some reason back. I read the website & their plans & it’s just too scary for words………………
Bruce 555 – you can send it to anyone anywhere I got about 200 returned as they have changed their email addy I guess – but I typed up three separate emails – one thanking Hillary Supporters, the other one to the Undecided asking them to decide for Hillary and the third one was to the no named ones supporters – especially those that switched like so many in New York did to reconsider their decision.
Was a lot of fun – especially all you have to do is type in your name, State, email addy, and zip code and paste your message into the box.
#452 Murphy, good job and great way of saying it.
thank you for having me here,
anonymous
Mac and Everyone, Clarification on “Friend of New Orleans”. I checked their web site and this was what was posted in rebuttal to the Denver Post article of June 4.
Statement by Friends of New Orleans Concerning 6/5/08 Denver Post Article, “Host Committee Slashes DNC Party Venues”
June 6: Correction in the Denver Post regarding FONO participation at the DNC
The Denver Post article “Host Committee Slashes DNC Party Venues,” inaccurately portrays Friends of New Orleans (FONO) as being a financial sponsor of the Delegate Party planned for the Democratic National Convention. Friends of New Orleans, a private, non-profit, non-partisan, membership organization for people in the U.S. and abroad who care about the region, is not now and never was a financial sponsor of the event. The event, which is being held at the Colorado Convention Center on Sunday, August 24 in Denver, Colorado, is being sponsored by the Denver 2008 Convention Host Committee. Acknowledging the inaccuracy, The Denver Post updated its article at 12:31 p.m. MDT. In addition, the Democratic National Convention Committee issued a statement clarifying its financial commitment for the event.
Since its inception in 2006, FONO has been instrumental in keeping the focus on rebuilding New Orleans and its surrounding parishes. To keep New Orleans and its issues post-hurricanes top-of-mind in an election year, FONO has planned benefit events at each of the two national conventions in Denver and St. Paul on August 24 and September 1 respectively. The purpose of these events is to highlight the local organizations working tirelessly to rebuild their homes and communities.”
I hope this clears up any questions about the organization’s purpose and present at the convention. Anything they can do to get the attention of the Gulf States victims needs is top priority.
#498 Short Termer, Nostradamus also predicted 9/11. My sister told me about it. Is there a way for us to look up Nostradamus’s predictions on the Internet?
Thank you,
anonymous
P.S. One of my friends was arguing with me so much about the elections (we were talking through IM because she’s in AZ and I am in CA) that every time when I would say something she would just log out. I was so angry.
#469…..Obama Organizing Fellows? A camp? This man is scary.
TrishFromCanada…
[[holy! I’m still laughing, god knows a 5 min video will affect them forever, but their childhood in a hate mongering church will have no effect.
I apologize if this post is outside the bounds of this site, I really just find his answers unbelievably stupid. ]]
Just as stupid of him saying: “If my daughters ever become pregnant I don’t want them to be punished with a baby.”
When questioned on that one, he replied: You have to realize my daughters are only 6 and 9. Guess it was too difficult for him to image them as 12, 14 or 21.
Kathleen
#495 Trish,
I agree. So much of what he says versus what he does smacks of hypocrisy.
#489 AntFish,
I had to get by having to even go to his site, but, yeah I do see this as a very scary thing. It reminds of the old movie the “Body Snatchers”. Remember?
I can’t believe these people are still falling for the “Change” mantra. What Change? Do they ever ask? Mind boggling.
anonymous – don’t have it yet?
#469 antifish.
I checked it out also. It’s scary. “Get ‘em young and train ‘em up right.” He’s going after their hearts, minds and souls. Playing on all their vulnerabilities and insecurites. It reminds me so much of one of those cults kids run away to. The only way to rescue them is to kidnap them. Then they have to be deprogrammed. He’s taking advantage of them the same way any other cult leader would. He’s got it down to a science. Reminds me of Hitler’s Youth, Africa’s child soldiers, Kamir Rouge, etc. The list goes on and on. Even the comments about gradual change for higher gas prices being better than the sudden rises we’re having now. If you do something bad so slowly people don’t actually realize it’s happening, it’s a lot easier to slip it under the radar. Just like in pre-Nazi Germany. It happened so slowly and gradually. People didn’t notice till it was too late. It’s like boiling the rabbit in the pot. You raise the temperature ever so gradually, the poor rabbit doesn’t escape because he doesn’t even notice he’s being boiled to death.
Murphy,
I live in Richmond Texas and would like some flyers or documentation to reach the hispanic community close to where I live. It’s important that people understand the issues we are fighting for. Who do I need to contact in this group?
Antifish–Wish I could give you an answer. Don’t have one. I am concerned with this, as with alot of other things that this campaign has done in the past year and a half. The only thing the comes to mind is a quote I heard somewhere–”alot of hush money can do an awful lot of talking.” Another thing, were does democracy and freedom stop? If people are willingly doing this, that is their choice. It is maddening and makes me sick, but that does not make it illegal.
Murphy, Any chance of getting a PUMAdad picture up on the thread tomorrow. It’s Father’s Day and it would be a great tribute to all men on this blog.
MPK – thanks I sent a letter to good old Joe protesting the fact that they do not want her to switch to McCain.
You know, six weeks is a long time. When I was a Drill Sergeant, Army Basic Training was eight weeks. Why would they need that much time to train campaign volunteers? How much do they need to know? I’m sorry, but this sounds more like some type of indoctrination than volunteer training. I’m just totally baffled here.
What type of file is .mdi? I can’t open the flyers. Thanks!
#469 AntFish,
I still think the two parties are merging. This “training camp” thing is similar to Rove’s scheme of having the church’s preach about Bush etc. Obama is doing that as well. And the bottom line: perverted greed.
How does one get the fliers?
Good evening all.
Very interesting posts tonight. Nostradamus, Hitler boiling rabbits and videos. I LOVE this place.
I have my letters ready to go for tomorrow morning. H. Dean must go.
Before I forget I just wanted to say you guys/gals are great. I am so glad I found this site!!!
#500 Susie1945
I was on a McCain blog and an Obama troll came on. He was pretty obnoxious, same lame Obama arguments and insults, etc. Later I happened to be checking out the Obama blogs and came across the same screen name he’d used on McCain. He had a myspace page linked to his blog entries so I checked it out. There he was – all of 12 years old, maybe? He was posing for some pictures, standing in a great big baseball arena type auditorium somewhere, where an Obama rally was about to happen. His admiring mother smiling over at him in the distance.
He looked all of 12 years old. He looked very tender, meek, the kind of kid others might pick on, etc. but there in a the crowds at an Obama rally he could be somebody. Somebody who belonged to a movement who’s time had come and who was going to change the world!
#510 Brooklyn,
Exactly! When I first saw it, Hitler Youth was the first thing to pop into my mind. OMG!
Luckylady #511 and mayor#518
Please GET FLYERS!!!
send an email to marylandpuma@gmail.com and/or dcinvegas@hotmail.com
All, send these super pumas an email and get some flyers to get the word out. This is the grass-roots for real.
The flyers are beautiful. Challenge yourself to distribute 50.
Mayor, we have a lovely surprise planned for Father’s Day. I’ll say no more.
Murphy,
Can you post flyer links? Thanks
oops! it’s dcinvegas@gmail.com not hotmail
sorry!
#515 antifish
I have no doubt that it’s indoctrination camp, not volunteer training. The Dems have really gone over to the Dark Side in their desperation to win something, anything, after years and years and doing nothing but losing. They’ve sold their soul to the devil. Or they’ve been taken over by the Body Snatchers….
Time for an Intervention.
Several have asked what *61 means. Bitterpoliticz
adamonis // June 10, 2008 at 12:57 am
About *61
Another time for all of our latecomers!
I banned the use of the Senator’s name at my house. Idid not want to curse at my husband, so I had to give it some thought. As I was on Poopy Patrol the other evening after feeding the pups, I just had a thought that would work for me so that I would not have to curse every time I said the Senator’s “He-who-Shall-Not-Be-Named” name. Since he was born in 1961, I thought it would fit if I used the asterisked 1961 Single Seasonal Home Run record set by Roger Maris which broke Babe Ruth’s record. It was a disputed record due to the extended length of the baseball season. I changed the position of the asterisk to before the year to differentiate his new moniker from the HBO movie and the record itself.
Murphy, oops, Where do I get the “fliers”?
#517 goandersen,
You think the parties are merging? That’s interesting.
Personally, I think this has something to do with the teachings of Rev Wright. I don’t know why, but I can’t get past the fact that Wright was his closest mentor for 20 years. There’s something there. I’d almost be willing to infiltrate one of his camps, but I’m afraid I’d give myself away somehow. Like I said, six weeks is a long time and I have a HUGE aversion to Obamabots!
Ok PUMAs. I did it. I responded to Mr. Bowman at the CBC website:
Thank you, Mr. Bowman, for not portraying our mission as ‘a catfight’ or ‘emotional issue’ or ’sore losers’ or ‘feminazis’ or one of the other racist, biggoted, sexist, ageist things we have been called.
We are a citizen movement acting in opposition to the undemocratic way our American Democratic Primary has been run. Our message: “Hands off my rights.”
We are male, female, trans, gay, bi, and lesbian. We are families, single moms, single dads, seniors and college students. We are Jewish, Catholic, Protestant, Spiritual and Atheist. We are white, black, brown, red and yellow. We are educated, street smart, uneducated, or being educated. We are military and we are civilian. We are poverty, lower class, middle class and upper class. We are rural, urban and suburban. We are mainland states and island states. We are PUMAs. WE ARE AMERICA.
Why would we vote for a candidate of the opposite party? COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY. We will not ‘fall in line’ when we feel the very foundation our country was built upon, Democracy, is in real peril.
Many have changed parties; some remain faithful to the known principles, but not the party. Some will vote for John McCain, a conservative Republican; some will vote third party; some will abstain. PUMA PAC does not endorse a position. But we all share the same voice in one thing – NO to Senator Obama – not even if Hillary visited each of us personally and asked us to.
We will not grant the most powerful position in our USA to a Junior Senator with less than one year of senatorial experience, ongoing revelations of questionable professional and personal connections, no clear policies and plans, who ‘overlooked’ the sexism but ‘opposed’ the sexism, who has set this country back 60 years of equality.
Barack Obama poses a much bigger threat to this country than John McCain.
We want our democracy back – ‘of the people, by the people, for the people’. We want transparent, simplified and condensed primaries that are accessible in all ways to ALL who are eligible to participate. One person, one vote. We are prepared to fight for reform, peacefully and legally.
We refuse to denigrate the memories and sacrifices of those noble human beings who fought over the years, not only for our freedoms, but for our rights. All men and women ARE created equal.
Again, thank you for your fair and balanced coverage of our organization.
For more information, please visit us at blog.pumapac.org. All are welcome if you leave the negativity at the portal.
Respectfully,
Maryland PUMA
Mayor0102, thank you for the clarification. New Orleans and Mississippi are still trying to recover and the mention that any money spent on a political fundraiser would just be outrageous. I greatly appreciate you taking the time to research this.
FLIERS:
If you need one or can not open the ones I sent, please email me.
BEFORE you email me, make sure I didn’t already send you one.
#504 Check references to Nostradamus and Mabus predictions, I saw something about those in conjunction with BO.
If any of you need flyers go to: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=389320317 and click on the pics link. Look in my puma folder. I’m working on a tear tab version now that should be done in about 20 minutes.
Antifish–This would be the time for a savy, undercover investigative journalist to cover. Don’t laugh, but I wonder if Geraldo would be interested. Not making light of it, but if I had the 6 weeks to spare, I would imbed myself at one just to see what was happening.
WAHOOOO! I found the Hill family, at least I recognize some of the names, I was pennsylvanian4hill over on dear Hill’s site. I just love Hill and will vote “present” in Nov. unless of course the super delegates do their job:) OR the kool aid gang keep steering me and my friends towards Mr. McCain.
I love the acronym and pumas are the absolutely perfect symbol for change I can believe in!
Hey,
It will July 1st here soon and we get a lot of Amercians up here for the long weekend (particularly from the border states). Do you think it will beneficial if I posted the flyers downtown (Toronto)? There are message boards in the touristy areas where it’s ok to post flyers. Who knows maybe people will read them and think about what the posters say.
Sorry to post again, but I did want to mention that Senator McCain has been on the Gulf Coast recently to see the progress that has taken place. But I don’t remember any mention of *61 being here. The reorganization of FEMA should be a huge question for any candidate.
#529 Maryland,
Beautifully put! You have such a way with words.
antifish,
Just chatching up on the posts. To quote murphy
OMG, OMFG. This is totally scary.
I am a little late I just read the post on the”sock Monkey” that was funny, I just wish one of you artistic puma’s would come up with a drawing of a “post Turtle” because that is EXACTLY what he is and those of you who know what one is know this to be TOO true!
#528 AntFish
The Dems put out a No Name Empty Suit and the Repubs put out a Loose cannon. All of the other candidates on both sides were sidelined early on. It just smells funny to me. The DNC tactics are so similar to the Repub tactics. They essentially look like the same party to me.
The problem for both parties was Senator Clinton. Now their problem is us!
You may be right. The whole “Unity” thing is just to close to “Trinity” to be coincidence.
I would infiltrate, but, I am too old for them, even tho I don’t look my age. They want brain-washable peeps. I fear I would stick out in the crowd!! I would be all for doing it though.
#534
rofl. still rofl. still rofl. My sides are hurting
Jeremy,
Yes, I wish I knew a good investigative reporter. I have the time, but I couldn’t take six weeks of listening about how he’s going to change the world and how wonderful he is. I would become psychotic and hurt someone!
#529Maryland,
Excellent!
#489 AntiFish,
Read my post #251. What we see going on in America today is exactly what happened in Central America years ago when the socialist extremists infiltrated the Universities and high schools there and those of us who lived there had to endure a 12 year long war. The “soil” must be fertile for their doctrine and tactics to work and with the economy being the way it is, the war, and so many Americans unhappy with what’s going on in the country, these haters of America have just what they want: Fresh, young and impressionable minds ready to be endoctrinated to help them carry out their plans.
WASHINGTON – House rank and file Republicans are tens of millions of dollars short of meeting fundraising targets set by their own campaign committee in advance of this fall’s elections, according to figures circulating among the leadership, heightening concerns inside the party about major losses in November.
The disclosure comes in addition to other unsettling news for Republicans, who trail Democrats badly in cash on hand and are grappling with the alleged theft of more than $700,000 by a former employee.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080614/ap_on_el_ho/gop_woes
#534 OnlyHill
YAY! Good to see you here!
Maryland PUMA, I did e-mail for some fliers. Would you give your e-mail one more time. I have a gmail address now. Maybe I had your e-mail incorrect. Thanks.
I’m not sure why they need to train their volunteers. How difficult is it to answer “Read the website” to every question that is asked of the Obama supporters.
OnlyHill welcome. Next time you say something that funny let me know in advance. I was laughing so hard it scared my cats!!!!
GOOD TO SEE YOU HERE ONLYHILL – I remember some of your posts on the HRC website – jump on it.
Maryland PUMA, I just read murphy’s message above. I’ll try again.
Appears I’m having issues with my Adobe Pro.
I’ll have to install to convert fliers to PDF.
Right now, I HAVE to go take a quiz and finish my homework!
BBL.
MDPuma
goandersen
Did you get them?
#529 MarylandPuma
Kudos! Well said.
#553 Maryland PUMA
Yes, They look great! Thank you!
I will also post on myspace page and ask people to download/print and distribute.
Wooooooooooo Whoooooooo!!
#540 goandersen.
Yeah, I’m too old too. And too anti-Obama.
#251 roxy,
I’m sorry for what you and your family went through. Although I didn’t leave under duress, being an immigrant myself, I understand how hard it is to leave your native country. I think you may be onto something about what’s happening. The whole Liberation Theology thing scares me.
antifish,
I would offer up my nephew. He drank the kool-aide a long time ago. He is open minded and listens to all views, especially mine. He has some good arguements but I can always counter them with rebuttal. He is beginning to see issues with his choice, though, which is good. I don’t press him on it because I don’t want to drive him away. However, he just started a new summer job and that is his focus now. Anyway, I would not make the first 48 hours. My body language is wicked and I would be snooped out real quick, especially if they started anything on Hillary. Yeah I might get a little defensive…as you put it.
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#556AntFish
Any whipper-snappers in here that want to infiltrate the Kool-Aide Kamp???
#548 Trish,
You get that too? It’s so annoying. Every time you ask one of them where he stands on an issue its, “Go to barackobama.com and read about how wonderful his plan is.” Pathetic.
#560 goanderson
God one! Only problem is, everyone here knows more about Obama than the camp leaders. Might be a dead give-away that the person is a plant.
#560 LOL goanderson
Someone majoring in journalism or in grad school and needs a good thesis. That would be incrediable information for a thesis/post grad article. Mmmm. Going to think on this.
#562 TrishfromCanada
Dang it. I want to do it!!
A smart young person could get away with it. I know they could. They could say they were Hill supporters and can’t vote for McCain.
#561 antifish
I have a good friend living in the eastern US, so I ask her to explain Obama’s platform to me. She says read his website. I go, I did but the answer is not there. She couldn’t explain it. So now I ask it of all my american friends, I’ve yet to get an answer.
Show me the light and errors of my way…and do it now!
#528 antifish, #517 goandersen,# 251, #544 Roxy in cali
I was trying to express what Roxy in cali said in her post in #251, but I just couldn’t do it as succinctly as she did, so thank you Roxy.
I believe just what Roxy described in her post is what’s happening in America this minute. I think she’s right that we can’t believe something like that could happen here because we believe we’re immune to it, but I don’t think we are. I think maybe we’ve been lulled into complacency because we’ve been so fortunate to live with all these freedoms, we’ve come to take it for granted that nothing like what happened in South America and elsewhere could happen here, but I think it can and I think there are all kinds of indications that is right now. The writing is on the wall. I am so afraid that we’re not going to see and chase it off before it’s too late!
#563 Jeremy
That’s and idea. We need to know what their game plan is so that we can counter it. No surprises. I’ve had enough of those! We have to find out what the Kool-Aide-Kamp-Kapper is all about! Watson.
There is nothing there, his supporters have no idea what he represents. All they know is the word “change”.
Jeremy,
I’d send my 23 year old son, but he feels the same way I do. The first time he heard a Hillary slur, he’d lose it and he’s a big guy! Besides, he doesn’t really have the time. He works and goes to college full time.
#564 goanderson
ohhhhhhhhhh how about they say they are lost minds since Hillary suspended her campaign. I can just see it now “the sky will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing, and everyone will know”… Obama will save another soul.
#529 Maryland Puma,
Great letter! I have to admit that I didn’t even realize until yesterday that a majority of the members of Puma Pac are women. Our discussions have been about core beliefs and principles. It just didn’t occur to me. I’m proud to be included in this PAC. Thank you! Brian
#567 BrooklynNY
I am making fun, but, this is serious. read #568.
We really need to know.
TrishfromCanada, you are going to the wrong website. The one that your friend directed you to is for publicity. Since he is now the Democratic Party, try finding your answer on their website. I am sure it is updated and explains why they have moved from DC to Chicago.
#571 TrishfromCanada
LOL!
jeremy 574
#574 Jeremy
Tried that too… I guess they all took the 5th. But I should update about my friend, she did check out Hillary’s platform and while she has not jumped ship, she is now searching harder to learn what Obama’s platform is. A start at least.
Hello All. Just stopped in to catch up and say hi.
I love what I’m reading on the blog. It sends chills up my leg…just kidding. Still, the energy is inspiring. I’m sure this website is being used as a model elsewhere.
Our common bond is not just about nobama but that we refuse to allow anyone, anywhere to take away our voice or vote. I thank everyone on this blog for that … either commenting or lurking. Thank you Murphy.
A couple of posts mention something about a training camp for nobama campaign volunteers. If you have ever encountered a nobama volunteer … you’d know why. While canvassing for Hillary, I was amazed at the disrespectful, discourteous (sp)behavior displayed by many of them.
Obvious nobama can’t be for the middle class … who has the time to spend six weeks on training. Especially, when the purpose is so limited. I’m going to assume that most of those volunteers are very young.
A lot of his campaign indoctrinations are derivatives of black theology and nation of islam. I don’t mind what church a person attends or their belief, until that belief is forced down my throat and/or that of my child’s.
nobama politics definitely makes a case for the separation of state and religion.
As for any obots lurking around who are trying to make a racist claim against this blog site … I am a Black female.
Obama advertising on Life Time now. I can’t watch anything without seeing him!
#562 Trish,
LOL. Yes it would be hard to hide all the “dirt” we have on Obama from his followers. Can you imagine how awkward it would feel to be in that camp for six weeks undercover?
#528 antifish, #517 goandersen,# 251, #544 Roxy in cali
We keep on seeing all the signs, like the Obama training camp, the armies of paid trolls, the intimidation, the election tampering, etc., commenting on it, getting that creepy feeling on the backs of our necks and that sick feeling in our stomachs and then we push it aside….
But it’s scaring the living daylights out of me.
I keep on seeing pictures in my mind of tapes of the entranced, rapturous, cheering crowds at Hitler rally’s in the ’30’s, and then can’t help but get a sick feeling in my stomach when I see an Obama rally on TV. The maniacial devotion to this guy, the insane antagonism and fanatism with which people seem to be devoted to him, even people you’d think would know better, scares the living daylights out of me.
CNN’s Political Ticker posted my comment to the story “McCain event canceled over fundraiser’s rape ‘joke’” (I may have overstated my admiration for McCain a bit, but I wanted to make the larger point about the undemocratic Democratic Party.)
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/14/mccain-cancels-fundraiser-over-oilmans-rape-comments/#comments
Brian Knoxville, TN
June 14th, 2008 6:06 pm ET
Politicians who have principles and who will not just take money from such sleazy people still exist?
Judging from the undemocratic Democratic Party’s so-called leaders’ actions–in selecting a candidate, and in abusing the process to favor that candidate, and even after all that in having to carry that candidate over the finish line because he wasn’t able to get there himself, regardless of all his campaign’s money–I didn’t think such principled politicians existed any more…
The DNC decided that they would rather dip into Obama’s pot of gold and take as much of the money as possible, regardless of whether or not the guy can win the general election or should hold an office for which he has no qualifications, and regardless of the will of millions of voters who were told they didn’t count, than uphold our principles, like those of full democratic participation and fair reflection.
There was a time when the DNC upheld our principles, even if it meant losing elections. Now the party’s so-called leaders just toss them out and select an unknown, inexperienced and unqualified candidate in order to carry off a bit of the money-machine’s treasure.
Ironically, this year they could have upheld our principles AND supported the stronger general election candidate and better leader.
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I also added another comment with this to respond to other’s criticisms, but it hasn’t gotten through the moderators yet:
June 14th, 2008 6:15 pm ET
The article says that “the contributions came from other individuals supporting McCain and not from Williams.” McCain separated himself from Williams on principle and did not take any of Williams’s money.
Just got this email from news@hcsfjm.com:
Hi All: I wanted to update you on what we are doing. In the next few days, you will be ask to donate money. This money will be used to file a lawsuit in Federal court to get a injunction barring the DNP from making Obama their nominee. I have been in touch with a attorney who is a PHD, and I am waiting on his reply. It is his belief that under the laws that was in effect at the time of Obama birth, he is a “naturalized citizen”, not a “natural born citizen” was is required by law to be president of the United States. Also I am talking to a person about the “whitey tape” and I maybe able to buy them. So once again you may be asked to donate money. We are not sitting around, blogging all day and doing nothing but complaining, like all the other web site are doing, we are attacking and we continue to use all weapon at our disposal. Thanks all.
Ed Hale
news@hcsfjm.com
vote in the AOL straw poll. Results are AMAZING.
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/straw-poll
Remember our post from the first day? LANDSLIDE 50 STATE LOSS??
goandersen–this is not funny and it is serious. Hope that makes sense. (do you see how catchy the word “hope” can be if heard over and over?) But, someone posted earlier about the craving for a “sense of being/worth” paticularly at a time when you feel the opposite. I am not a sociologist or pyshcologist, but I have a feeling that this camp has their team and it is well planned.
#584 – What the heck. I say we go for all 57 states.
pyschologist
#582 Brian Knoxville TN
I posted early about 10 down from the top and it is still waiting moderation!! All I said was “Good for McCain”.
It is rare that they post any of mine.
#581 BrooklynNY
When I read your post, my mind jumped to that robot from the Will Robinson show, “Robinson’s in space” or something was the name of it. and how the robot would say “Danger Will Robinson, Danger” whenever it was overloaded. I can just see an Obama cadet doing the same thing when asked a direct question.
I’m laughing to myself here, giggling actually. Even though I know your post was serious this image won’t leave my head.
On a serious note, i don’t think Obama has the focus to form a regiment of young minds in the same fashion Hitler did. Obama is too distracted and wants an easy ride in life, albeit has the same ego. Hitler was insane. Two different forces driving them.
Pesonally I believe the cadets won’t hold out til the election. They are from the mindset of want want want get get get now. 5 months is a long time to not get rewarded for their actions. I suspect the cadets will take flight by mid august, as that’s about as long as their attention span will take them. Take a look at Obama’s bloggers, name changes constantly because they bore easily and want to move fast. Online they can assume different personas to stay interested in the game. Will be interesting to see how long they last
hello pumas i am a newcomer and i will never vote for obama….i didn’t like him from the beginning and now even more!!!! I have alot of obamabot friends and co-workers…i live in southern California and need to interact with some Hillary Clinton supporters before i go crazy….lol !!!
My apologies for that hcsfjm email post.
I didn’t read it thoroughly. I have absolutely no use for the thing about the “tape”. nobama has so many other faults to focus on. He’s just an all around bad candidate.
I know there was lots of talk about the birth certificate and just wanted those concerned know that it is being addressed by many.
Murphy feel free to drop me an email if I’m ever out of line.
Pumas,
I think we are spot on here. What Obama’s doing goes much further than trying to win an election. He’s trying to control the electorate through his “Fellowbots”. They will soon be coming to your door with their Obama logo-ed paper cups and their pitchers of koolaid. They will roam your neighborhoods, arms outstretched, eyes blazing red, chanting O-ba-ma, O-ba-ma, O-ba-ma …..
Seriously though, we need someone to go to camp. We have to know what they are really up to. Plus, if they are reading this site, they need to know we are watching their every move.
#573 goandersen,
I know. I can’t help but do the same thing sometimes, but it is serious. I really believe people have gut to trust their gut and mine keeps on sending out major warning signals. But it’s so tempting to brush them aside and say, it couldn’t happen here….yet I believe it IS happening here, right now.
That’s why I keep on thinking of “The Perfect Storm” of events and the phrases, like “making a deal with the devil,” selling your soul down the river, ” etc.
I believe the Democratic wanted to win an election so badly this year they picked the charismatic leader they thought was perfect for the role, even if he was totally unqualified, inexperienced, etc., etc.
And I believe Obama has been grooming himself for a moment like this for a long time. He’s been studying Black Liberation Theology, drawn to socialism and communism, Black and other “oppressed” peoples’ empowerment, etc.
And I think the party leaders are so desperate to win, they’re more than willing to overlook all the warning signs that something is rotten in Denmark.
So, what do we do?
LOL #591 antifish,
thanks for lightening things up a bit. it helps.
#585 Jeremy
It is, like the Jone’s Town cult. I think these people have been brainwashed. This is very serious.
#509 Maryland Puma. I just re sent it to you. I sent it to: marylandpuma@aol.com
I tried to send it before, but it bounced back.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! I opened my mail and I have the flyer…It is great and exciting….thank you very much….Not, only will I be passing them around the Malls but, my neighborhood too and everywhere I go…..Again, Thanks…………..
#584 Murphy!
That poll is awesome. If only it were so in November. Then. we’d have no problem getting out party back. All the “conspirators” would be toast!
#589 TrishFromCanada
I don’t think No Name will be doing it, he will be out trying to golf or something. There is other evil behind the curtain that would orchestrate this kind of thing.
#589 TrishfromCanada
Respectfully, I don’t agree with you….I think he’s got a long, hard plan, has been nursing it for years and has designed a system of Skinner like rewards for his Obamabots to keep them interested. Why start training camps for volunteers if your mission is over in 5 months? What other candidate have you ever heard of that started training camps for volunteers as a program during a campaign? During the 60’s there were freedom fighters and get-out-the-vote drives in the Deep South, etc., but the volunteers weren’t Kool-Aid drinking fanatics. They didn’t have that glazed look in their eyes and spew hatred and bigotry. That’s WHAT they were fighting AGAINST!
I think this guy is trying to start a permanent movement and it’s not a good one.
#573 BrooklynNY
“And I believe Obama has been grooming himself for a moment like this for a long time. He’s been studying Black Liberation Theology, drawn to socialism and communism, Black and other “oppressed” peoples’ empowerment, etc. ”
I agree but my thoughts are that Obama was hand picked by a select group of people outside of the US. I won’t mention names or affiliations, I’ll leave that to your imagination. Obama is a great orator, up and coming black man, lawyer, wealthy, family values, respected amongst his peers, all this at a time when America is looking for change.
So this brings me to those who hand picked him. They didn’t count on one thing, the female voters. Why? My thoughts are because in their countries women are treated as second class citizens, they simply overlooked it. It scares me to think he may win, because its not him that will win, its those who brought him to where he is today with their funding and connections.
I agree with the consensus about what Obama’s doing. We’re now beginning to see the results of life under a weak leader who sleazed his way off with a power that he does not deserve. As I wrote to ShortTermer’s ‘friend’ Marc last night… if history has taught us anything, it’s that when incompetent politicians get power by means that are less than legitimate, they hold on to it tight, abuse it, and do only those things that will allow them to maintain and extend it. The Obama campaign is trying to tighten its grip. I say let them, and let’s continue doing exactly what we’re doing. As long as resistance continues, the Obama campaign will continue to fight, continue to try to tighen its grip, and so will soon show itself for what it has really been all along, so much so that nearly all Americans will see how ugly they are.
#594 goandersen
I think they have been brainwashed and are being brainwashed.
One thing that always irritates the hell out of me when he talks is the way he talks in short choppy phrases, emphasis usually on the 3rd or 4th word, repeats the same phrase over and over again, moves from one side to the other slowly when he talks at a rally. It’s mesmerizing. That’s what hypnosis is all about. Lull the target into a trance-like state, relax them, and then their ready to be indoctrinated. They are receptive, an empty vessel to be filled.
#567 BrooklynNY,
I don’t think is too late. But we must take action and do ALL THAT’S IN OUR POWER TO STOP IT from happening here, begining by not TAKING THE “MOVEMENT” as BO calls it lightly and by trying to talk some sense into the minds of those around us, specially our loved ones!
Murphy – I see new letters in the “1,000 Reasons Puma Democrats Are Protesting the 2008 Presidential Election” thread. Are they going to be able to be included in the postcards you are sending?
#600 TrishfromCanada
Your analysis is interesting. The same thoughts do occur to me at times as well. There are too many unanswered questions.
I didn’t support Obama because I thought he was an experienced candidate who would make a terrible president, and that didn’t change because Howard Dean told me to vote for him. My wife and I, both strong Hillary supporters, are undecided about what to do this November; however, it appears we do know we are not going to vote for Obama. We’re taking another look at McCain and also a first look at other parties’ candidates. NO OBAMA! GO PUMAS!
#599 BrooklynNY
We’ll have to agree to disagree then. I really believe Obama does not have the attention span to pull this off for more than 5 months. The man is a walking ego, yes, he knows what is happening and he is a part of it. He would never miss an opportunity for glorification and praise. He’s like the high school hockey captain, often misled, often misleading, not quite getting it, but well liked cause he can play the game. Perhaps, I’m wrong but I don’t see there being a long term plan for this camp. It’s to help him get elected and nothing beyond that. I’m more concerned about those in the background, promoting him.
OMG! Has anyone seen this? This will take some real thought, please go and read this.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Vote2008/story?id=4420155&page=1
SunnyPA #591
You’re great. Don’t change. Dont hope for change. Dont change for hope.
(Mom! Dad! Please take me home from this camp!! Please??!!)
BrooklynNY on 06.14.08 at 10:08 pm
So, what do we do?
Stay informed. Stay with the debate. Counter those that distract with false information. Be prepared to support the truth. Say what is on your mind in defense of your beliefs and values; admit mistakes in humble retraction.
So sorry folks, this was at the top of my gmail. I just went back and looked at the date of the article. Still it’s good reading.
Wow – just read the Daily KOS entry about PUMA. I didn’t realize that the Obamabots thought democracy and dissent were “shit.” That having a differing opinion was “shit.” Voting for someone else beside the Democratic candidate was “shit.” Being an American was “shit.”
And they wonder why we don’t support Obama.
#610 murphy, SunnyPA #591
LOL! Can I have a T-shirt with that on it?!!!!
#608 TrishfromCanada
So what do you think they want to do?
DancesWithPumas on 06.14.08 at 7:52 pm
thanks. i hadn’t read the synopsis but i will. i noticed that he didn’t really address discrimination. i left him a question about his vote against the pay equity act and told him that many women already have a lot of eduction, e.g., PhD, MD, JD, MBA, etc. but we still make less money than men with the same training (IME there is more pay disparity between the women with the most education and training and the men with the most training/education than between men/women with less education or training). so how is his proposal of more training or education for women going to help? it’s mind-boggling that he would even suggest that. and what is he going to do to help move our country toward a truly fair and equal society with opportunity for all?
i also left a question about the military commissions act – which he endorsed and voted for – and how it authorized the prez to violate the Geneva Conventions, i.e., torture ppl. if he’s not opposed to torture or if he votes to let the prez authorize torture, what does he stand for? what principles wouldn’t he compromise?
sounds like he didn’t address either discrimination or what principles would be inviolate in a McCain presidency. that’s too bad. i was hoping he’d have some real answers or at least show a modest amount of movement. i didn’t think he’d address questions like that but i was hoping he would.
#610 Murphy
LOL!
Hello Mudda, hello fadda, here i am at camp Obama!
Everyday all we hear are lies and fodder
Hurry, lock up every son and daughters
Keep them far away from Camp Obama!
#600 Brooklyn,
Yeah, I made light of this, but it’s not really funny at all. The points you bring up are excellent. Why would he train these people so extensively for such a shortsighted purpose? He wouldn’t. There is a greater purpose than just the election. I also respectfully disagree with Trish. I think he is a megalomaniac. I also think Axelrod is his enabler in the same way Himmler was for Hitler. It is important that we know what is going on in those camps before we end up in a camp somewhere. I’m not trying to be melodramatic here, I’m serious. I believe they are laying the plans to win this election at any cost.
#529 Maryland PUMA on 06.14.08 at 9:02 pm
well said. thanks for letting ppl know about us.
Pumas, George Lakoff is a professor of Cognitive Science and Linguistics and author of “don’t think of an elephant” Dean and the DFA used his work to learn how to frame issues. It will help to understand why so many people “hooked” into words like hope and change without any need for substance or experience.
#615 BrooklyNY
Ok, this may sound a little insane but I beleive those who put Obama where he is basically want to see the destrution of the US’s economy and military forces. They want to desroy america as the super power. And what better way, if Obama wins they’ll have free room and board in the White House (or Black House) as some African Americans wish it to be called. And I’m willing to bet they’ll have diplomatic immunity as well, wouldn’t that be convenient. Kind of reminds me of the game RISK. Personally, I prefer to play CLUE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjVCJHrL09s
Here is a video advertising the big Hillary supporter sites.
antifish on 06.14.08 at 10:34 pm
I believe they are laying the plans to win this election at any cost.
Antifish–it began with a speech in the summer of 2004. Remember? I do in some ways. What I best recall is saying to myself “why isn’t this our canidate now? He would whip Dubya’s butt.” Little did I know that this was the introduction to the planned candidate of the DNC for 2008.
#519 ontherocks on 06.14.08 at 8:49 pm
I second your sentiment. I left for a while to take care of some things… I missed quite a party -even a *61 supporter showed up!
canidate=candidate.
#617 Trish,
OMG, that’s hilarious!
#618 antifish
Ok this may sound hokey but I want to thank you and BrooklynNY for disagreeing with me, I love it when people do that. Makes me rethink my argument and see other opinions. Plus it adds something to debate. Thanks!
#618 antifish
google Wallace Furd Muhammad. Scary person. Farakan had connections to him, as did Malcolm.
#603 BrooklynNY,
I don’t want to take this analogy too far, but I always thought of what Obama does to crowds with his speechs as being like him stroking the crowds as he takes them from pleasant foreplay to orgasmic frenzy. He seems deliberately to pace the beginnings of his speechs in such a way as to move the crowd slowly to that moment of ecstatic energy. I first saw it that way when I was watching one of Rev. Wright’s sermons. Wright drew his listeners in, slowly lulling them, slowly, slowly, and then booming them into frenzy, in ways that were even more obvious. And, to take the whole Hitler Youth/Obama Youth thing to the next step, theories in Nazi Germany about what kinds of propaganda to use and how to use them in order to win over the masses were based on similar sh*t, i.e. don’t treat the masses as several million rational individuals that each has to be convinced logically of anything; treat them as you would a single lover who out of frenzied emotion can be driven beyond reason to adore you. The people of Nazi Germany loved Hitler.
i am a newcomer here and i have sent out e-mails to the DNC AND THE MEDIA….i wrote them all and stated you can believe this “change” ….i will “change” from democrat to independent and i will never “change ” my mind about obama… I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR OBAMA!!! and i have “changed” my network of news and will only watch Fox….that’s the “change” you can believe in!!!!
#617 TrishFromCanada
LMAO!
TrishfromCanada- open mind makes for positive thinking, alternatives, and for the truth. And I am speaking for myself but wanted to pass it on to you. Thanks for YOUR input
#007girl
LOL!
minds
Jeremy,
I had the exact same reaction to the 2004 speech! I was mesmerized by Obama. Wow, I’m glad I came back to my senses. I think party leaders had the same reaction and decided to take the plunge. Poor Hillary. She never had a chance.
NLee #622
That is Fabulous! Did you make that?
007—right on Cue!
check out nlee’s youtube!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjVCJHrL09s
#620 OnlyHill, #621 TrishfromCanada, #623 Jeremy, #618 antifish, goandersen,
It just gets more sinister by the minute.
Regarding Jeremy’s comments (#623), in the McCain blogs some of these trolls, scare me when they start talking of cognitive science, neuronal pathways, laying down memory traces, etc. The kind of double-speak they come up with sometimes is very disturbing. It’s hard to explain it all ’cause it’s so subliminal. You just know something’s very wrong, but you just can’t clearly put your finger on it.
#630 007 girl. You Rock!!!!!!!!
I’ll be signing off for the night. Everyone be safe. I’ll see you tomorrow.
I can’t remember where I heard this, but, someone said they went to a no name rally just to see and said that the crowd was given signs inside, they couldn’t bring their own, and they were lead in “Yes We Can” thing and others for at least an hour before precious even got there.
weird.
anyone from Southern California here??? all of my friends and co-workers are obamabots!!! i need to meet Clinton supporters they (obamabots) are driving me crazy…..lol
Hey Pumas – like I said before – *61 followers – drink the koolaid & become pod people – I’ve never used bumper stickers – was thinking about getting a couple of the NObama ones but am rethinking that plan – his followers are so mean and vicious that it scares me – I will proudly wear the PUMA tee & even my Hillary ones – I’d also like to get one that says I will remember in November – I will blog my thoughts here about how I feel about the empty suit – but I live in Minneapolis-St Paul metro & there’s enough bad s**t happening & I don’t want to become a statistic by having the stickers on my car – does that sound paranoid???
Has everyone seen this? Please check it out:
noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/14/clinton-democrat-ousted-is-this-the-ussr/#more-3068
#629 Brian Knoxville TN
You said that well! But you’re right, that’s exactly what he does.
good night muchado!
#643 Susie1945 on 06.14.08 at 10:53 pm
nope. a friend of mine in St. Louis was threatened a year or so ago bc she still had a Kerry bumper sticker on her car. That election – and one would presume the feelings surrounding it – were very stale and attenuated. i can see enraged Obama supporters threatening or even attacking someone.
#630 007girl,
Welcome aboard! Please take a look at an action we have planned for Monday and let us know if you’re interested in participating. (see #14 above.)
#621 Trish,
At this point, nothing sounds insane. The man who is the Democratic nominee was himself indoctrinated for over 20 years into a racially separatist, anti-American, anti-middle class, anti-semitic, pro-African theology. This may explain his disdain for bitter, gun-tottin’, bible-huggin’ folks from small towns. Just saying…
#629 Brian Knoxville TN
Interesting. I was thinking earlier today about the rock music Obama plays when he’s with young people. I’d never thought of the body movement, ecstacy. I remember in university I wrote a paper on male bonding from an anthropological viewpoint. I discussed the huddle in football and the hugging after a touchdown and how these two activities can build sexual energy which strengthens the bond, thus improving each players performance. This is on a subconscious level. Would make sense to me then why Obama likes to energize his audience and get their juices flowing so to speak. Creates a subconscious dependency on him. Explains the fan club mentality as well
Re: #639 BrooklynNY on 06.14.08 at 10:50 pm
There an entire science of persuasion. It falls under social psychology. I used to teach it (no, my Ph.D. is not in psychology). There is a lot of smoke and mirrors going on.
The *61 camp is very good at perceptual anchoring.
Scarey stuff. It also get’s you to buy shampoo:) You seem pretty committed to your stance -so don’t be scared;)
Best,
JGoldman1
#622 NLee
GREAT VIDEO!!
Antifish–they did not expect Hillary to run. The rumor has always been out there, but they were in denial. That is when the MSM was called into action. That was their job. Keep Hillary distracted. After she announced, the media immediately said that she was the presumtive nominee and it was O’s job and etc, etc…to bring her down. With that burden of staying on top, she had to campaign, keeping with the image. The media began their master piece of work with the first debate. She was caught in a crossfire….and the rest is history and what we are witnessing now.
I can’t believe my typos today! I need my spellcheck -darn it!
#627 TrishfromCanada,
Happy to oblige. Feel free to do the same with me anytime.
Susie…. i feel the same way here….the obamabots are mean and i dont want them following me home!!! it is bad enough my friends are obama supporters…good thing they are my friends!!!
#634 Susie
Not paranoid.Smart. These people are nuts!
007Girl:
Welcome to Puma. I’m from OC, California. I know what you mean but I’m here in Repub country so it’s actually not as bad but I feel your pain.
#584 murphy,
I went to aol’s straw poll and placed my vote for McCain in TN. Wow, there was a lot of red all over that map! Something about it wasn’t appealing at first, but then I saw the images of Bo and McCain at the bottom and thought about what blue all over that map would have represented: the validation of a selected nominee whom I can never and will never support.
#651 JGoldman1
“The *61 camp is very good at perceptual anchoring.”
Can you elaborate a bit on “perceptual anchoring.” What is it?
#622 N. Lee,
The video is awesome! Why are the ratings disabled?
#650 TrishfromCanada on 06.14.08 at 10:56 pm
makes sense to me, too. then any message that’s given is intensified. and the neurochemicals released would make you subconsciously crave the experience again, want to be around other followers (to recreate the experience and release the chemicals), etc.
#659 Brian Knoxville TN
Yeah, I was pretty impressed with all that red too. There was NO blue anywhere when I looked at the poll map.
#662 sassysenora, #650 TrishfromCanada,
Gosh, that’s interesting.
Great Video 007Girl!!
Welcome, 007 Girl! Please join in the debate. You got here just in time. We’ll all be going to Obama Reprogramming Camp soon!
Just kidding!
OK – pumans throw me to the lions or rather out of the puma den – I WILL VOLUNTEER to go undercover for you all and report back here to you – I have studied enough of the no name one that I could get by with it and have had enough psychology as well – spell my name backwards and you can see that I can do it.
#650, 662–Wouldn’t that same point be valid with Hillary? When I went to hear President Clinton speak in Houston this past March, I felt those feelings…for her candidacy and seeing that I was among a similar support group. I followed on to College Station and heard a more defined speech and left knowing she would take Texas. She did, but then there was the caucus crap. I don’t have arguement with this. Makes sense now…again my rationale for the role of the MSM.
Good point!
I must admit I can’t really see how #438 Jessafina insulted your members. She went out of her way to be even-handed, and asked to hear about your views. I know you don’t want the press to characterize you as hysterical or crazy, so… don’t be!
I guess you won’t publish this to the site – justifiably I guess, since I am by my own admission a dyed-in-the-wool internet troll. But I wanted you (the admin) to read it, and have a think about how the movement is perceived by other people – not just the media and Obama voters, but by potential members.
#667 Goalucard4Hill on 06.14.08 at 11:11 pm
i’d love to hear what they do. it sounds like some those cults from the 1970s.
#639 Brooklyn,
Sounds like some kind of mass hypnosis. Yuck! Glad I’m immune to koolaid.
No one has any thoughts or concerns about this?
noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/14/clinton-democrat-ousted-is-this-the-ussr/#more-3068
#666 antifish
LOL! Road Tripppppppppppppppp. I call shot gun! oh wait wait wait that could be misinterpreted!
#677 Dracula
LOL! You are perfect for the job! We have to know.
Goalucard4Hill
Did you get a chance to send me the draft letters yet? I haven’t received anything and want to do my part in sending out to the newspaper like I promised.
#671
the link. We can’t click on it.
Can you re-copy it?
hi all – great to be here. something strange happened to me this week and it brought home a lot of the comments that i’d been reading from hillary supporters over the past few weeks.
i’ve just started a new job and it takes me to the states for travel after having been in europe for a few years. so i was a little surprised when, in the middle of a full-day workshop with colleagues, all of a sudden a number of the guys in the room started making comments about how it was obvious that obama was such a wonderful guy and that he had perfectly hit the national need for “change” while at the same time making some pretty abusive comments about hillary.
what struck me (apart from the inappropriateness of even having that kind of conversation in a work context) was that the comments coming from the senior guys in the room were just the way things are. nobody even seemed to consider that anyone might have voted differently or might have a different opinion,
i left with the very distinct impression that — out of 20 people in the room — i was the only hilary supporter, which seems impossible.
that was during my first week back in the states after not having worked there for a couple years.
i can only imagine what it must have been like during the primaries. glad i live overseas!
#650 TrishfromCanada,
A connection between driving up sexual energy and creating an emotional dependency, in this case on a leader whose followers feel they cannot be happy without him.
If that’s true, then the way he acts like a bit of an arrogant d*ck reminds me of an abuser in a relationship in which the mistreated partner is reduced to an absolute belief in needing that dominating abuser’s approval and so works harder and harder to get it.
I think it was Maureen Dowd who said after he made the comment about Hillary being “likeable enough” during a debate that he came across to women as a bad ex-boyfriend.
Wow was he so condescending and dismissive.
#668 Jeremy on 06.14.08 at 11:13 pm
to the extent that you have an ecstatic experience (or an experience based in large part on a strong, positive feeling), yes. esp if that experience can be recreated by meeting with other Clinton supporters, discussing Clinton-related things or something similar that would subconsciously remind you of the original experience. the stronger the experience and the more often it’s repeated, the more this would tend to happen.
#671 Cat in NJ on 06.14.08 at 11:14 pm
ppl were talking about it earlier on this thread. i don’t know the numbers but you can look above to find it.
Antifish
Did you check out that guy?
PUMA ALERT
The campaign of *61 is deploying thousands of volunteers to 17 states starting this weekend. Here is the link:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/12/AR2008061203658_pf.html
For those of you who use Internet Explorer, this is a great little spell checker that will place a button on your tool bar. It checks any text you enter on any blog sites. I got it from the windows website and have used it for over a week now. I love it.
http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/details.aspx?itemId=1513531
MiniVee – I sent you directly to your email all three letters – one for thank you supers, one for change your mind supers, and one for if you haven’t made up your mind yet = let me help you – letter – will send again to you right now – be looking for it.
Dracula
Re: #660 BrooklynNY on 06.14.08 at 11:02 pm
Hi BrooklynNY,
I figured this is the easiest way to explain;)
(Perceptual) anchoring: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchoring_(NLP)
Formalized “perceptual anchoring” as a term has been taken over by robotics -but is based in the same principles.
If you scroll down, there is a discussion of its use in Political Campaigns
Note: I hate it when my students use wikipedia -my bad.
Best,
JGoldman1
#668 Jeremy on 06.14.08 at 11:13 pm
if what goanderson reported above is true (i.e., that ppl at Obama rallies are led in chants for an hour or so before Obama appears), it would be less true for Clinton supporter than Obama supporters. first, chanting is going to change your mental state. second, it’s a group activity, i.e., you are doing something together and in harmony, something that wouldn’t happen just by waiting or talking with other supporters. this will change your mental state and help bond you with other supporters so that talking about “change” (or whatever was chanted) will recreate the neurochemical and brainwave state much more strongly and closely than e.g., talking to other Clinton supporters when you haven’t engaged in such activities. i think that’s the difference.
#668 Jeremy
You have a valid point, in most cases though, this bonding is witnessed in young males with other males. I remember upsetting some of the guys in the class when I presented, one guy actually accused me of calling football players homosexuals. He obviously missed the point.
If I had to take a stab in the dark about why people became energized with Hillary, I’d think it was because many identified with her goals and dreams, and this created hope and all the warm and fuzzy feelings that come with it, plus Hillary is also a great speaker and has a dry wit that is very funny. Unlike Obama she embraced her supporters and made them a part of her battle. And when people feel a part of something its easy to feel the quickened heartbeat, sweaty palms etc (not implying this was the reaction, just using this for an example) and the pride that comes from a job well done.
#667 Goalucard,
Really? You’d go to the dark side for us? Wow, Puma hugs atcha!
I promised you trolls and I’m delivering!
Please visit Bot #669 to view a handsome troll in his native habitat and speaking fluently in the charming, authentic Gibberish language of his home country of Ilostmybrainistan.
ok i am back….thank you brian i will send the letter…..and thank you to hill and antifish for the welcome!!! this is my new home !!!
I got an email from the Clinton_Dems_Against_Obama & there was a link to a FOX News article about McCain & *61 battling for Clinton supporters -http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/14/candidates-intensify-battle-for-clinton-backers/#comment-423053 – read it & had to respond – however, my comment is in moderation so maybe it went to cyberhell & will never show up – darn -hate that when I write something halfway good & it just disappears……there were no other comments BTW
Dracula, you are awesome. Just read you #667 and others. Hey, PUMAs. I am finally flitting back from time spent with the little dragonflies.
BrooklynNY, Here’s the link I was referring to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchoring_%28NLP%29
My forst response to you didn’t link the last part of the link for whatever reason???
Best,
JGoldman1
Welcome back Dragonfly — good to see you!
“first” SP
LOL! Murphy! Ilostmybrainstem!
I am having trouble connecting the link, but here is the information.
This article was in the WP on 6/13/08. About 3600 volunteers called Fellows for *61 are being dispatched to 17 states starting this weekend. It is the same grassroots type organization that he had in the primary season. Each fellow has to commit to 6 weeks to organizing and reaching new voters.
As PUMAS, we need to counter this by joining forces with other groups that are opposed to *61.
BrooklynNY, I just checked the link -the second one is correct.
And I even tried to be nice to jessafina. So much for nice.
#693 JGoldman1
Thanks for sharing the link, very interesting concept
#669 Bot
“But I wanted you (the admin) to read it, and have a think about how the movement is perceived by other people – not just the media and Obama voters, but by potential members.”
What movement are you talking about? We (Pumas)are not a movement, we are individuals concerned citizens who have come together to stand up for our rights.
Are you referring to the Obama Youth Movement called the “Fellows”? I can’t speak for others, but I’ll tell you how I perceive it. I think it is some kind of cultist mind-control project meant to spread his propaganda and recruit new adherents. Just my humble opinion.
#697 EWard,
Does it say which states?
Thank you Murphy for the taste of the Troll – and you are welcome Antifish and Dragonfly – I would do this only for my Puma family – I will have to hold my nose and drink some good old Kentucky whiskey – but I will get to the bottom of it – of course the name will be changed – and if I don’t come back in a week – go looking for me – do not leave me to them -
I am off – those that I am working on projects with have my personal email address so we can continue on -
Dracula
Hi TrishfromCanada, Not a problem.
Best,
JGoldman1
sassysenora on 06.14.08 at 11:24 pm
TrishfromCanada on 06.14.08 at 11:25 pm
Thanks for the interpretation/explanation. First, I did not expect an hour of chants, “group activities,” or a change in my brainwave state. I went to hear about a candidate position and how it affected me, my family, and my friends. I spoke with others in the group and talked about why we were standing in the rain doing this and confirming with them why we were standing in the rain doing this. I was not expecting some sort of neurological payback. I am glad I went and I am glad that my friends asked me to go on to College Station. I wasn’t for a “fix.” I was supporting the person I wanted to be President of the United States.
Re: #703 Goalucard4Hill on 06.14.08 at 11:38 pm
Be careful -don’t go Stepford on us!
#703 Goalucard4Hill
LOL I snorted water!
So is this an online camp? or is it in person?
What colour are their uniforms?
Do they get code names?
Do they have to march like turkeys?
Are they all left handed or right handed?
Are they old enough to drive?
Did their parents sign the permission slip?
… curious minds want to know
#689 Murphy,
Lostmybrainistan! LOL!
Never JGOldman1 – I am too old for them to make me a Stepford – but a decent mind enough to see what it is they think he will change – I posted for 16 months and had many many many debates with his supporters on many many many newspapers and not one of them – not one – could respond to any of my questions regarding what he was going to change and how – somehow we have to reverse this spell he has on them – only a Dracula could do that.
Dracula
http://www.18millionvoices.blogspot.com/
Hi this is the new website for the millionwomen’s march-
they are organizing meetings state by state-so take a look at the website -they have them listed-they are having some difficulties with obtaining a permit and I believe are working on that first
#709 Goalucard4Hill on 06.14.08 at 11:43 pm
Fair enough. I trust your judgment and admire your courage. I feel like we need to have a ceremony to send you off, lol.
#684 Goalucard4Hill
I got them, thanks. Actually, I got them a few days ago but somehow there was a disconnect in my brain that you were a woman based on your user name–sorry.
Anyway, thanks, I will send them out!
Trishfrom Canada – I will report all – I take good notes – I will get everything from them from their age, IQ, and how many teeth they still have in their mouths before I am through – never fear.
Dracula
#705 Jeremy
“I am glad I went and I am glad that my friends asked me to go on to College Station. I wasn’t for a “fix.” I was supporting the person I wanted to be President of the United States.”
In my opinion that is what separates you and the Hillary supporters I’ve had the opportunity to blog with here and on the hrc site, from the Obama supporters. The Obama crowd do not even understand who they are supporting or why.
#771
Make sure you smudge yourself before and after to keep the evil away. NO Kool-Aide!
#710 mpk
See my post 278 about permit for the rally. We’re working on it!
Great – I just tried to get into his website and my OLD relic computer will not download – will try later – BY THE WAY MURPHY – I want you to know that my computer is old – very old – and this is the only website that I can easily type in comments and it instantly works – even HRC main site was not this good – CONGRATS.
#696 goandersen,
Ilostmybrainstem! I just spit all over my monitor! Stop it!
Don’t worry about me – GoAndersen – we have been through thick and thin – I will wear blinders and would say put garlic around my neck – but that would do me in and will only appear there at night obviously – now after volunteering watch I will not be able to get in – it still shows a loading pattern for me and has been 10 minutes now…….
Dracula
#696 Antifish.
Murphy said it! LOL!
#696 antifish
look at # 689. LOL!
Please check this YouTube:
“The #’s Don’t Lie. Energize Our Hillary Base!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmikfM4TqAM
Who’s missing from the Obama Organizing Fellowship?
May 14, 2008
Tomorrow is the (extended) deadline to apply for one of the summer Obama organizing fellowships. The program is open to “students and recent graduates” who will work, unpaid, at least 30 hours a week for the campaign. “Housing is not guaranteed,” the site adds. I love the fellowship concept, but I worry that the young Latino precinct captain I met in Northwest Indiana, who is not a student but has a passion for the campaign and has been doing political work since he was 13, and hundreds of others like him will not be participating. There is a mixed message in the program’s FAQ, “We expect most applicants to be students and recent graduates. However, anyone can apply and become an organizing fellow… People of all ages are needed to help build the movement!”
I know that Obama staffers are running on fumes at this point, and what the campaign’s accomplished will be the subject of study and praise for years to come. But was there no concern that, in creating a program for those few lucky enough to be in college and able to take an unpaid internship, the campaign could be giving proof to the “elitist” canard? Could it not craft an appeal for a fellowship scholarship program that would fund stipends or housing allowances?
http://bracken.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/obamafellowship/
J Goldman – this is the most fun I have had all week – I think a sending off ceremony would definitely be in order – however, I would rather celebrate once I get back with the information we all need – but then who knows I may even be offered the VP position by then.
LOL
Dracula
Ilostmybrainistan -nice, Murphy.
Obama’s “Fellows”?
… couldn’t he have consulted his teleprompter for an androgynous name? Or, is their kamp meant to be all males?
It’s good to be Hillary supporter wearing a shirt with HILLARY 2008 written infront and gold lapel pin with Hillary 2008. I received a very warm reception today because of that. There are many Hillary supporters where I live. They call NONAME, OPPORTUNIST and DECEPTIVE. There’s truth to what they said. You can see his flipflops now ’round the clock. He is now criticizing McCain when he voted for ENERGY BILL of Cheney. I’m truly amazed at the ignorance of his cult followers.
Goalucardforhill—- go dracula-suck them dry
my partner is a philosopher and she is teaching a class next fall that she developed on the forces of good and evil in vampire stories-
I believe (hopefully I’m not getting too dramatic-I’m Irish-this happens) that we are in a battle of good and evil-
I have never felt so strongly about an election-I have been disappointed many times since I started voting (after all I am or was a Democrat)-but I have never felt this urgency that something awful was about to happen-
we are definitely at a crisis point in this country-
Dracula, I think your ‘puter is trying to protect you from Bots and Pod people.
goandersen
The article in the WP did not mention any states. However, when I reviewed some of the *61 blog posts, some of states might be TX and OH. This guy knows what he is doing. When you read their profiles, they really believe in the cause. It almost sounds like a religious experience.
His list of campaign promises all begin with his name. *61 will do this or that. When you contrast it with the hateful posts from the Daily Kos, it all seems bizarre. The best way to counter this is to out organize them and be prepared for the GE.
sadly but true….i have asked obamabots why they are voting for obama ? their first response is because of race!!! they don’t give a clear answer to anything else!!
#703
Go forth, our brave alucard. We will await word of what lies within the bowels of the Botbeast. If you need our help, just growl, and we’ll be there. Puma Power!!!!!!
mpk, I agree with you about the larger significance of this conflict. It feels as if we are at a turning point and much depends on our keeping Obama out of the White House. I too have the Irish blood and was raised on good drama, but as so many on here have said, the cultish flavor of his supporters and of his speech-style are red flags that should be taken seriously.
#723 hillaryistheone
Reminds me of the religious groups that go door to door in their white shirts and pocket protectors. Looking like they just stepped out of GQ. I am willing to bet those chosen will look like models. Maybe their parents will donate to Obama’s cause, he’s going to need the cash soon. It’s not like non-working students can donate to him. Besides now that his friends are being outted left and right, he’s losing his donors fast.
#722 sparkle (nice name)
Wow!
#726 DanceswithPumas – yeah, same reaction here on the “Fellows.” Whatever. He comes from a background that is very patriarchal. Could be part of his latte elitism – “fellows” kinda reminds me of scholarship kids.
I e-mailed Sean Hannity at FOX and told him that i will give it to obama he sounds good in his empty suit but this isn’t freakin american idol people…. this is for the presidency!!!
#469 Obama Organizing Fellows
sounds and smells like brainwashing to me.
Hi everyone i have been going back and reading everything everyone wrote but had to stop or i would be reading for the next 2 hours. Went into a couple links. Did anyone get snail mail from Emilyslist?? I did and it’s a bumper sticker or a window sticker.
Today’s special father’s day post is up.
http://blog.pumapac.org/
NONAME is trying to move at the center to appeal to moderates but his record in the senate speaks loudly he is too FAR LEFT. NONAME is the answer to Bush who is too far right and destroyed our country. NONAME would be worse, his ONLY experience is COMMUNITY ORGANIZER in South Side of Chicago. What is southside of Chicago? It’s a nightmare!
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/366952_thomassononline14.html
When it comes to electoral map, it is NOT going to change, in fact the Democrat Party would be losing states leaning democrats to Republican this November. They have NO ONE to blame but the DNC. I read in real politics two weeks ago, nothing will change in electoral map, its for the GOP to take and that’s exactly what is going to happen.
More than 60% of registered voters cannot stand NONAME, he is very arrogant, his character is questionable, content of his judgement is ABYSMAL. It took him 20 years to make a decision to leave his racist church. What does it say about him? He CANNOT be trusted especially with our NATIONAL SECURITY and our ECONOMY. He’s downright failure but he’s a SMOOTH TALKER, he’s a snake, like a Cobra.
MPM and DRAGONFLY – I totally totally agree with you both and have prayed and prayed for a miracle that once in my lifetime that I will see GOOD prevail over BAD and we live happily ever after – and I would love to go to your partners classes – I think that is most interesting – ever since Anne Rice’s books – have loved the history behind it. Dragonfly and Antifish – fear not – the night is my friend -
Dracula -
#730 EWard,
could you re-post the link, even if it is unclickable, I want to see if I can find it.
Thanks.
Dracula volunteered to go “undercover” into the bot Kamps and see what is up
Kool i will go check it out
I was just on the phone, now I’m back and I’m scrolling through the recent posts and I’m having a good chuckle.
Murphy, thanks for letting us have the pleasure of seeing our own little troll in the flesh and blood. Are we going to adopt him, or was he here just to play around for a bit and then return to his little box for the night?
JGoldman1 – thanks so much for the links. I am about to read them. Looks like very interesting stuff.
#734 TrishfromCanada
LMAO!! Pocket protectors!! LOL!
Hi BrooklynNY, Not a problem at all.
#469 sounds like”bed fellows” to me. (nothing sexual meant)
#726 DancesWithPumas
Obama Fellows reminds me of a group called The Odd Fellows, whose name cracks me up everytime I hear it.
Imagine NONAME presidency, everyone would be burying their savings in their backyard using mason jar. He would tax all of us to death! HE IS A SOCIALIST to the bone like SOROS his biggest supporter.
Good point Brookyln – after all we are pumas – we should have at least one troll a day so that we can swat it around and chase it – releases pent up tension – and then we can let Murphy finish it off for us – growl……….
Dracula
#740
Nice Murphy. Love it!
Thought we could all use some humor. Friend sent this to me after the Texas caucus.
An English Professor, friend of mine,solved all our problems. We are going to give each Obama supporter the following instructions when they enter the voting place in November. The second set of instructions will be given to McCain supporters. By the time the Obama supporters figure out what the hell they are reading and what to do…McCain will be in the Oval Office. (I thought we could use a little laugh)
FOR OBAMA SUPPORTERS:
You are allowed to vacate premises.
YOU MUST READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE ENTERING:
1) When you navigate through the processing area approach the reception area where verification of eligibility profile will be established by designated personnell.
2) Present upon authorized request your document issued by your State Department which regulates compliance of transportation systems.
3) Upon request as to location of your abode…respond with the name of your State…should a secondary request be demanded as to a more definitive locale …this means they are racist…and you may stick them with the knife you were asked to bring.
4) Upon given clearance to proceed…approach the FDSAFSP( Fedrally Designated Secured Area For Selection Processing)
5) Select a secured position, operate the designated mechanism to horizontally displace drappery.
6) Elevate or depress appropriate switches so as to exercise you selection of valid entries.
7) Reverse operation as ellucidated in step 5
FOR McCAIN SUPPORTERS:
1) go to the first table and give them your name
You may leave
2) Show them your Driver’s Licence
3) Give them a specific address
4) Go to the voting booth
5) Choose a booth to enter and close the curtain with the handle
6) Turn the switch near your Presidential choice
7) open the curtain
#737 007girl,
Please post Hannity’s email. I’ll be needin’ it!
#722 sparkle – LOVE the you tube video. I will be sharing that one. Is N.Lee still here? Loved that one too.
#751 Goalucard4Hill
LOL
Couple of comments before I turn it:
the training camp/fellows are “supposedly” like the internships Hillary had. For college students majoring in politics or a similar major … it’s a resume booster.
Very nice Father’s Day tribute … very cool Murphy.
Everyone have a good night.
LOL Taffy –
Dragonfly, Antifish, GoAndersen – still waiting for the homepage to open – do you think they know that I am on a mission??
Anyone remember the Ayatollah Khomeini? He returned to Iran from exile but his Islamic revolution had already begun by using the youth in schools and universities. They were the spark.
#758 Goalucard4Hill
Nahhhhhhhhh that’s all the Obama family rushing to sign up, maxing out the bandwidth on their site.
goandersen
Hi, here is the link:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/12/AR2008061203658.html
I am completely comfortable voting my conscience by supporting McCain. But I’m still praying for a miracle in Denver so that I can vote for a Hillary ticket. She has my trust and confidence.
good night sunny PA!
Fom the camp link:
“Supporters were required to answer essay questions, supply references and go through a telephone interview with campaign staff members. ”
Truth: There really isn’t a camp. Obama was running low on speeches, these new ones will carry him to november. Let’s hope he reads then before presenting them.
Ok i went to ino@hillaryclinton.com i wanted to send the Fathers Day Card but can’t find one link there that it would go through to him or her. Help a senile woman
#758
LOL! No, it’s just your dinasour puter.
thank you brian… i sent it a long time ago via blackberry!!! i realized what was really goin on early from the MSM…. i have lashed out mostly to that sexist MF Chris Matthews i called for his firing mths ago!!!
I guess being i live in sin city to my brain has gone out to bet.
Eward,
thanks,
what was the article heading?
Goodnight all.
love sin city, sandipuma. Ding ding ding ding ding [slot machine lights blinking; getting high on the oxygen blast] ahhhh let’s spend money! where’s the atm?
yeah, I know. I should go to a meeting.
007girl – right on. Sexist MF Chris Matthews needs to go.
#764 TrishfromCanada
What are the essay Q’s?
TrishFromCamada what part of Canada you from?? I moved here from Ontario 20 years ago
goandersen
The article was titled “Obama Campaign Dispatching Thousands” by Peter Slevin dated 6/13/08.
I apologize for the confusion. For some reason the hyperlink is not attaching properly.
#751 goalucard,
I love it. Our own little troll to tease and taunt as we see fit. Yes, Murphy must release at least one a day into our midst. It will be like taking our vitamins!
from australia, with not too many factual errors, way to go ozzies!
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23840402-5012572,00.html
#773 goandersen
I don’t now but I’ve been googling to try to find out, will let you know if I get anything
Don’t go much to the casinos but i like it here but it was 106 today
#774 sandipuma
I’m from Newfoundland but moved to Toronto 8 years ago. I drove to ottawa last night and back to Toronto this afternoon, going eastward always makes me smile! LOL ok so every Newfoundlander says that.
#601 TrishfromCanada and BrooklynNY, I also wonder many a time, who paid for Obama’s higher education?
#766 antifish and Dracula
All cats toy with their catch!
#753 Taffy,
Awesome! That should keep them at bay!
Trish i am from Welland Ontario came here 20 years ago
yeah and that MF keith Olbermann… in fact that whole network and CNN needs to go!!! i never in my life did i think i would be a Fox fan… for the most part they are ok….i have e-mailed Bill O’Reilly a few times when i noticed what appeared to be Kool-aid he was drinking!!! lol
Eward #775
no worries, maybe there is a number off or something.
I will find it.
thanks
#764 Trish
…and submit to a complete body check for Hillary tatoos and a cavity search for flagpins!
#781 bruce555
good question, i’m sure whoever it was, is under the bus right now. Didn’t he receive scholarships? Which would mean either sponsors of the Uni paid for them or they were government grants. Would be interesting to know this though.
My son was Commander of the Gander Millitary Base there for 4 years
#765 sandi
info, not ino
#784 sandipuma
I used to go to welland 4 or 5 times a year until last year. I taught computer software programs in Nursing Homes. I love the drive down that way.
I got to the article by copying and pasting the site info. The article indicates to me that Obama is probably hoping to sign up more voters, one would think in the states that are pro-Hillary. (check out sparkle’s youtube video – pretty compelling Hillary’s advantage with the numbers). The article says that people were recruited to give up six weeks of their lives to campaign for Obama with grassroots organizing – no experience needed – just looking for “compelling stories.” Okay, more on the mind control bit – it is a classic cult technique to get important personal info about a target that can be used to manipulate the target’s emotions. More Obamabots, comin’ right up?
#775 EWard
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/12/AR2008061203658.html
TOOO Funny Antifish and GoAndersen – I see that I am able to go into his site – wish me luck – back tomorrow to report I HOPE.
Drac
#787 antifish
LOl why did I hear “don’t drop the soap in the shower” ring through my ears when I read your post
#787 antifish
LOL! cavity search for flagpins and hillary tatoos. LOL!
Ok i will try to find how to send Bill Clinton his Fathers Day card . I’m sure if i oil my brain i will find a brain
Hannity contact:
http://www.hannity.com/contactus.asp
#789 sandipuma
Hey! I grew up an hour away from Gander. The highlight of small town living, on Saturdays we’d drive out to the base in gander to watch the planes land. lol entertainment at its best!
Obama Campaign Dispatching Thousands
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/12/AR2008061203658.html
sandipuma
go to info@hillaryclinton.com
sandipuma,
I mean put info@hillaryclinton.com in the address of email.
sorry
Barack Obama, the presumptive presidential candidate who has hung out for over two decades with violent extremists, radical and racist preachers, and both backed and enabled the now-convicted Tony Rezko who bilked taxpayers out of millions and left poor people in uninhabitable housing he failed to renovate, said this last night in Philadelphia, a city plagued by crime and violence:
“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun. Because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.” NoQuarter
He’s a disaster…we so need Hillary.
Trish my daughter in -law is from Welland and a nurse in a nursing home. Small worls because she uses Trish on aol
Goalucard!
Heed Trish’s warning! Don’t drop the Hillary for President soapbar you are carrying when you shower at camp!
The article re: dispatching thousands. I suspect too that these thousands are the malleable bright-eyes Y Gen kids who are home from school and need work. Who else has six weeks to take off for full time campaigning?
#805 antifish
And leave your Pantsuit at home!
Sandipuma,
I flew in and out of Gander several times on my trips to and from Europe and the Middle East. When was your son the commander?
bright-eyed. sorry getting tired
I went into info@HillaryClinton.com but couldn’t find a link to send the card ????
#807 goandersen,
You’re killing me!
Essay questions… This was on http://www.black-collegian.com/news/organizing_fellows_0408.htm
The application asks for a resume, among other things, so make sure yours is updated, polished and ready to go. It also asks for three references. People with whom you have worked, professors with whom you have close relationships, or anyone else whom can speak to your skills as an organizer would make good references.
Applicants must also answer three questions essay-style about their motivation, any experience they may have as a political or community organizer, and why they wish to be involved in Obama’s campaign.
sandipuma,
that is the email address. Copy and paste it into the address bar.
that goes back to about 15 or 16 years ago but he did not like it there lol lots of snow and long winters.Well i think more his wife than him
sandipuma, info@HillaryClinton.com is the email address, I use that to send them messages and I always get a reply of “thank you” – you can send the card as an attachment
#452 murphy – just read your “grandma” post. HILARIOUS
#803 mini vee,
Did he say that recently? Is he inciting his goons to violence now?
Hi Pumas
we have to keep pushing. Accidently on some airwaves(XM130 ?) heard that Obbhrama was not getting the vote form older women and suburban women and I missed the rest of the list. The panel agreed that some resistance was out-there and that Clinton supporters were not giving up. They also said that if the Reverend Wrong tapes would have been released before the primaries O-BAmAAAA would have likely lost more primaries(no kidding).
As far as Youth camps are concerned no thank you. We might have to send child services to check on the kids.
Only known dictators have organized youth camps and always denied their true purpose.
OB sorry today or never, we are too wise to succumb to endoctrination.
So keep up.
As I said before it will freeze in hell before i
ok antifish i will try again thanks just having a bad day today
Andersen, Antifish – you both are hilarious – I tried to get in – but now the blog portion is stuck in time – I am going to say good night – have had a lot of fun with you all but my mission will begin tomorrow – already have my name picked out for over there.
Good night to San Bruno, Burlingame, Antioch, San Mateo, Pleasanton, Dublin, Petaluma and Santa Rosa
Dracula
h t t p : / / http://www.creators.com/comments/opinion/pro-choice-democrats-and-john-mccain.html?prj=3fa6f73fe14301d6bb32c374f567ece4&thankyou=1
Here’s a great pro-Hillary, apparently pro-vote-strike columnist! Her comment string could use some help. It’s very easy to post there.
sandipuma, go to your email, and begin composing – put in info@HillaryClinton.com in the To: box and go below to the “attach” option – attach as a document the card (which you will first have to right click and save as a jpeg or whatever your system does to it). Am I understanding your question and giving help at all?
#804 sandipuma
I wonder if the home is Foyer Richilou, that’s the home I used to go to there.
An African-American friend, a Republican, says that she and other African-Americans aren’t concerned with the issues. They have a chance to elect a black president and that’s all that matters. She says that McCain can’t win and that as long as we are dividing the Democratic Party we risk a political civil war. She says that White-American people are afraid NOT to elect NObama because if he isn’t elected it will start a ‘race war’.
So I asked her if this is why NObama injected the ‘race card’ in the process, and she said, “Yes, of course.”
My response was that after the recent events concerning the primaries and media intervention, we NEED a political civil war to bring about REAL change. And then I asked her that, when it comes to a race war, what about the Hispanics, Asians, and Native Americans. And did she really think anyone would let them get away with that, especially with so many other survival issues facing us as a country. And, has she ever heard of ‘martial law’?
Then I told her I wouldn’t vote for NObama if a gun was held to my head. Because he’s all talk and no walk, and didn’t she think it might be a good idea if he got off the campaign trail and went back to work at his present day job, because his absence isn’t making him look real good.
At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter what the delgates, or superdelegates or anyone else says. Endorsements don’t mean squat. We will all vote out own conscience. Not everyone voted in the primaries. And caucuses aren’t a voting situation. And the will of the American people really wont be known until November.
Till then, I boycott the advertisers for MSM and turn the channel everytime NObama’s name comes up.
#803 mini vee, antifish
He said it at a fundraiser in PA recently. Ugh!
night Drac! we love ya
sandipuma,
Was he there when the 101st Airborne plane crashed on landing coming back from Sinai? We landed there about nine months after and you could still see the path of the crash clearly upon approach.
#814 sandipuma
lol yes the winters start in november and end in june… but snow mobiling an skating was great
Good night, brave alucard!
#827 antifish
I remember the crash, it was just after exams finished in university and we were driving home, but they had closed the highway because of the crash. That crash willl never be forgotten by Newfondlanders, it was a very sad day.
Anyone interested in posting flyers?
http://onechicken.com/PUMA/PUMAflyer3-11.pdf
Rock on MountainSong! You’re braver than I – I have studiously avoided discussing Obama with one of my dearest friends. I did manage to send an email with info about the pac to a group of friends (not including her, of course). Got one response – from a relative and in support of us! Nice surprise. Everyone else – crickets.
#824 MountainSong
Good for you! Race War my A–. That is utter nonsense.
Another scare tactic that won’t work. Us Whitey’s out number them any way.
Good night Dragonfly – love you back – and all – busy day tomorrow blogging newspapers about PUMA and going undercover. Good Night John Boy
Dracula outta here.
#833
Not meaning to offend anyone. I just am tired of the scare tactics.
#834 Drac
Good night Ellen
Good night Alucard,
Good night All!
veritas09,
They think our resistance is temporary. That we will give up at some point. If I were British, I’d say, “How bloody foolish of them.” But, since I’m American, I’ll say, “They’re f*cking nuts!”
Good night, Murphy. We love you!
gina613 – that’s a great flier. I will post some here in the Milton/Pensacola area.
#838 antifish
LOL
Hi all, as for me, I’m not faced with that problem yet, ALL that I’ve spoken with, and that’s a lot, want Hillary except for 2 for McCain.
#831 gina613
Thanks for posting your flyer again.
understood, goandersen. antifish – love it. they ARE f***ing nuts! it’s the kool-aid talkin’
#841
and as a Norwegian Uff Da!
antifish #838
very f*cking funny!
goodnight for real.
#830 Trish,
I was a very sad day for us in the Army as well. Many were in shock for weeks.
#844 Dragonfly and antifish,
they are doing the Ilostmybrainstem shuffle
Looks like we may need to invest in some deprogrammers. What I really want to know is what these kids parents think they are doing?
I can only imagine camp “the one” involves a lot of sleepless nights, hunger, and bright lights/loud music. The they give them the secret words – hope and change -so that they go into euphoria when they are spoken by “the one”. Then once camp is over they bombard you with hope/change communication. Eventually these kids will just explode- I only hope they all melt down before the election.
goodnight for real, murphy! get some rest
Weird, i’m on the Obama site and his logo has red in it now, I always thought it was blue and white. it reminds me of the pepsi cola logo
#831 Gina,
The flyer is awesome! I’m going to the True Colors concert on Monday night and will print some up to hand out. Way to go!
Murphy: vote in the AOL straw poll. Results are AMAZING.
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/straw-poll
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If anyone has the stomach, or is in any way inclined,
counter Obot “Voice of Reason” in the comments section .
I’ve tried to counter so many this past week that I feel like I need an acid bath to get rid of the slime that’s attached itself to me.
#848 goandersen – LOL
Ilostmybrainstem shuffle – this is done with all dancers showing a manic and glassy eyed happy face
#849 ca moderate
LOL!
#851 TrishfromCanada
LOL! Maybe to match with the Pepsi Center where the convention is in Denver.
ok I take back my GQ pocket protector comment. Replacing it with “pocket protector I don’t get out often”
a thought crossed my mind about Amabo . It reminded me of the commercial for an anticholesterol drug L…..R. A certain Dr J……k prayed the great virtues of the drug and all its benefits allowing him to live a normal active life. Then they show him rowing on a boat. It turned out it was a body double rowing. They pulled the commercial out because of its untruthfulness. Well I want to know who is rowing the boat of the democratic party these days, and that question keeps my blood pressure high ?
#848 goandersen and Trish
“I lost my brain stem, in San Fransisco,
among the latte-swilling liberal elite.”
#803 mini vee, antifish
He said it at a fundraiser in PA recently. Ugh!
In that speech, he trashed Carly Fiorina too. The full article is at NoQuarter. Be warned though, there are video clips accompanying the article with MO and BO pounding fists…I could just cry thinking these two running the white house.
#854 Dragondfly
like the ones at Walmart? LOL!
LMAO! I just got the image of the manic glassy eyed happy faces doing the Ilostmybrainstem shurrle.
LOL!
Call me stupid but i have been in to infoHillaryClinton.com 3 times and there is no link to send the Fathers day card to anyone. I can’t get to Hillary no matter how hard i try (:
#859 antifish
LOL!
#859 antifish
LOL the big thing here now is ice cappuccino but from the looks of these “haven’t seen the sun in a decade” soldiers of Obama, they’re probably more into juice packets
#849 ca moderate,
I just can’t imagine what kind of parent would allow their child to go to his camp. I wouldn’t let my son within 10 miles of it. I mean, you’d think adults would think there’s something amiss here? Six weeks for campaign volunteer training? Wouldn’t it raise red flags for most parents?
GRRRRRRRRR one more try then i give up.
#862 sandipuma
Darlin
in the address line of the email you are going to send, type in info@hillaryclinton.com (don’t go to her site) you are mailing from your mail. Then in the body of the email copy and paste the card.
#865
It would for me. But then, I am not a latte swirling, Ilostmybrainstem elite!
#853 Dances,
Just leave old Voice of Reason to his/her vices. I don’t know who that person is, but “it” is on every day, twenty four hours a day. Either it is a real Obamabot or it is several Obamabiotches using the same name. Either way, it will not listen to reason. I used to banter with it, but soon became bored because it cuts and pastes incessantly.
#864 TrishfromCanada
LOL! Juicey Juice
Lord have mercy, have all of them been sprinkled with Howdy Doody Dust!
This is what amazes me about the bots – they really believe we will just go away or succumb to the selectee. I read the best analysis of the end of the primary in March – it spoke of the Jacksonian democrats vs the elite. The crux of the article was how PA, KY, OH, WV would all go for Senator Clinton. We see that happened- I would add, as one of these folks (I grew up in the south), that once we get our minds set it is hard to change us. I quickly summed up the situation during the primary and prepared myself to vote for the next available fighter patriot – Senator McCain. I may not love all of his ideas but at a core I trust that he will do what he believes is best for the U.S. I can not say the same about “the one”. I like many others may not get involved in a protest but that does not mean I will ever change my mind. When the Jacksonian who live in and around Appalachia vote with the republicans this fall it will be over for “the one”. I for one am not worried about the GE – just about taking back the party from these thugs.
Republicans are having a heyday with this:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/14/guess-which-video-has-gone-viral-amongst-republicans/
Barookie hsn’t accomplished anything… he really is all about pie in the sky “fairytales”.
#857 TrishfromCanada
Why are you taking back the pocket protector?? It cracked me up!
#865 antifish
The site says some will do the training online… ok that’s just dumb. Also, I read some of the posts of 7 people, only 3 were college students, 1 just graduated high school, 2 were husband and wife, both working and 1 is working.
# 860 mini vee
Don’t cry for me, White House-ina,
Barack will never enter me!
Michelle will never see,
How lovely I can be.
#865 antifish
I agree but these parents can allow their kids to go off to camp and not work. They probably have no idea, and may not care what they do. Also, from work – I manage a bunch of gen Yers, some of them might be simply taking off work – they do not worry how the bills will be paid – heaven help us in the future. Let’s just hope that either the parents wake-up and put an end to this or these children grow up some day.
#875 antifish and mini vee
I cannot repeat on here comments made to me from a friend of mine who lives in Alabama about the Obama’s in the White House. Nothing racist. Just funny as h___
New Open thread above you late-night-puma-owls!
We have some colorful sayings in the south that just cut to the heart of the matter. I can’t wait to see all those states turn republican red -too bad their are no caucuses in the GE for “the one”. I guess dead people will have to vote.
#871 ca moderate,
You got that right! We southerners are not about to change our minds once they’re made up.
Like you, I don’t agree with McCain on a host of issues, but I trust him to do the right things for this country. I can’t honestly say that about Obama. I DO NOT trust him. That is the main reason I cannot vote for him and feel that I MUST vote against him.
#872 Dances with Pumas
And if this guy was asked that Q again today, he would answer the same way, no doubt
Murphy!
You’re supposed to be in bed!
#877 goandersen – email me at dragonflypuma@gmail.com the Alabamian commentary. used to live there and still have a foot there (well, and two dragonflies I am hoping can fly home permanently to me soon) would love an Alabama laugh. the obamabot energy there is fearsome
Night Murphy
She is probably cracking up!
#874 Trish,
The “online training” is spreading Barack’s new smear-proof makeup!
#883 Dragonfly
Ok I will. I hope what I say won’t be too crude for you though.
#874
antifish
He needs to get michael jackson on board to correct that
Let’s all go upstairs, OK?
first off, I certainly didn’t come here to insult anybody.
also, if one of your purposes is about speaking out agains the DNC, well then amen to that becuase I’ve been watching them with my jaw on the ground, in awe off the assinine behavior and the blatant incompetance that they’ve been showing for quite some time now.
For the person who thinks I commented here to try to “advance my own means”— it couldn’t be further from the truth. I’m certain that anyone who is spending time on this site getting involved in this process can and will make their own, independent decisions in terms of who to support.
Thanks for the crash course in what PUMA PAC is about. You can’t deny the rampant anti-obama sentiment on this site, though. Referring to all Obama supporters as “obamabots” is just perpetuating the bs. It’s equally as lame as Obama crowd calling Hillary supporters names. Definitely not what I’m looking for so don’t worry, I won’t be coming here with any more questions.
There were a few kind people on this board and I thank them.
Also, does anyone know where I can find a civil forum to discuss the differences between the two democratic cantidates? I have mostly friends who support Obama or McCain and sincerely have some questions that I’d love to thoughfully discuss but without the name calling. I won’t ask them here— but if anyone knows of such a forum please let me know. I’m officially beginning to wonder if it’s even possible.
Thanks
Sorry for many of it – we have been so bloodied when we tried to have a honest debate that we are no longer interested. At this point, lines have been drawn and I do not think too many are crossing one way or the other. Sorry, I do not feel you meant to be disrespectful but too many before you have.
#889 jessafina – there is a great site http://www.ontheissues.org that gathers info about the candidates. I don’t know if there is a comment board or discussion. I came on late and don’t know what the fuss was about. You are right that I should not be self-indulgent with terms like “obamabot” – it is late and I mean no disrespect.
jessifina
Thought you left. The difference between Senator Clinton and Senator Obama mainly, is experience.
That is all I will say, because, I don’t want to be drawn into some long conversation with you. By now you should know the differences. I wish you luck in finding another site to blog on.
Good night.
I just wanted to check in for the night. I’m glad others are deeply worried about the brainwashing and other tactics . I really have a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach when I really think about what is going on. that is why I know I have to do everything I can to stop this so my son can have a safe and wonderful America to grow up in. It does help to know that I am not alone.
hey sheila7!
You know what I find really disturbing is that the *61 people (and I’m talking about the older adults you see on TV at these rallies) who you think should know better, idolize him like THEY were teenagers!
hey dragonfly!
I find that disturbing too Roxy. my sister says she is about to go crazy because her 60 year old in laws are telling her she better get used to saying president obama! gag! I told her we would gang up on them together tomorrow on Fathers day. LOL. I’m coming armed with information for the koolaid drinkers.
we need a “talking point” factoid sheet to confront the enamored (my respectful term for “bots”).
that’s a good idea. sometimes they get me so rattled that I forget points that i want to bring up. maybe i could work on that one day next week.
I will try to do so tomorrow, sheila7, and report back. I am hyper but should rest, so will sign off for now.
well i need to get to bed so i can rest up for the big day . wish me luck with the enamored. lol.
Yeah, sticking to the facts is the way to go. My first objection is always experience and the fact that even *61 himself admitted in Nov/04 he wasn’t ready to run nationally, so I always ask the BObots if they happen to know what he may have accomplished from the time he doubted himself and the time he started his campaign that made him have a change of heart? Well, the question remains unanswered to this day!
Good nite!
Wow, 200,000, soon it will be 2 million. Yeah…….
Jessafina and Bot, maybe taking a look at the “1000 Reasons” thread may help you get the info you’re seeking without running into the difficulties you’re having trying to enter into dialogue here. The purpose of this site really wasn’t to dialogue with Obama supporters, it is to be a place of support for Clinton supporters who don’t have issues that our candidate “lost” but more HOW she “lost”, i.e. the undemocratic, flawed, and yes, corrupt, way the DNC is running things. I’m sorry if you felt offended. With the lack of faces and voicetone, it’s sometimes easy to slip into being demeaning without really meaning to. I have much more tolerance for you Obama supporters than perhaps most because both my college age sons started out as Obama supporters, and I know that they are intelligent and caring people, not robots nor fools. I think they perceived Obama as more caring and idealistic than Hillary Clinton. So I’m used to dialoguing with Obama supporters, and I’ll tell you what changed my sons minds about Obama. We started noticing and talking about not only the sexist attacks on Clinton, but we noticed and talked about how Obama, the man of “new politics of change”, never ever came to her defense. In fact, he and his camp insinuated and let the press insinuate that Clinton was practically trying to get him assassinated when she was trying to defend herself on all fronts for staying “so long” in the race by pointing out that Bobby Kennedy had also been participating in primaries in June. He also implied that her t.v. ad about the 3 a.m. phonecall was somehow racist when she was merely trying to make the contrast in their experience, which is a fact. I personally don’t see Obama as evil or the new Hitler, but I do see him as very inexperienced, and supposedly what he offers to offset his inexperience is the “new politics of change” and “unity.” And yet, he didn’t calm down the divisiveness, he allowed it, fueled it, and benefitted from it. He has unified nothing, and from the polls, if the results were to change, i.e. Clinton get the nomination, a large percent of Obama supporters would be singing a different song about “falling into line for the sake of the party” and wouldn’t vote for her. Secondly, here in Oregon, Obama refused to debate Clinton. My sons were totally turned off by Obama’s evasiveness and lame excuses, i.e. he’d already been in more debates than anyone else (sorry, my math says that he wasn’t in any more debates with Hillary than she was with him.) We called up Obama’s Oregon campaign office to ask why, and were also told that he had more to lose by debating since he was ahead here in the polls. Well, okay, but that’s the same old politics, not “new” politics. Take away “new politics” and “unity” and you take away what is supposed to be unique about Obama, and makes him just the same old politician with a whole lot less experience and a whole lot more hypocrisy. Finally, we had the opportunity to see Clinton in person. Not only was she extraordinarily bright and SPECIFIC (even knowing several issues pertaining to Oregon), she was so much warmer and softer (the t.v.s make her look harsher than she really looks in person). So my sons, bright and idealistic, but a little naive coming into this election, realized that their candidate simply didn’t match up to her. She was gutsy and strong to stay in the race through the May primary (when we have it here in Oregon) while Obama was avoiding debates, never specific, and encouraging everyone to believe he’d already won. In fact, I remember feeling frustrated that he wouldn’t debate Hillary here, but he was on CNN challenging McCain to a debate “anytime, anywhere” on national security. Funny how he’s now not exactly as enthusiastic about meeting up with McCain as McCain is with him. Anyways, good luck in your research. If you are as bright and open-minded as you must be to even what to come and check out PUMAs, maybe you’ll be back in awhile to join us? I hope so.
#904 RoseCityfriend
Thanks for sharing your insights as to why some young minds would vote for Obama. It is so pathetic and criminal that the DNC and these 10% approval losers would throw away a sure slam-dunk for the general election by accepting the majority’s choice in Hillary, but rather they prefer to shove the weakest horse down everyone’s throat for their own crooked reasons.
Rise Hillary Rise.
#641 goanderson
“Gotta see Obama”
I have a number of friends who went to see Obama, because they “had” to go. They all said they walked in and it was more intense then a concert. They were selling “everything”. Everyone was getting so excited, they “had” to have the shirts, bumper stickers etc… It created a real excitement for BO. What they did here locally to get people excited to go to his rally was simple:
Announced that you needed tickets to get in and ONLY a few were avail to see him. Tickets avail for only 2 hours and only two per person allowed which created a ” I gotta have” in the minds of people. Lines started at 6am. They gave most of their tickets to local black churches to help fill up the venue. Then suddenly the day before his rally announced a few more tickets were now avail. Now people “really gotta have” tickets. It created such a buzz around town and no one wanted to miss out. Both my middle and high school kids said hardly anyone was in school AND had subs for most of their classes cuz they all went to the rally. Even my die-hard Hillary fans “had to go”. It is smart marketing, but this is the Presidency not a concert and a lot of people arent getting that. I will say some of my BO older friends noticed the seating. Say it was a mostly black crowd but looking at the rally on TV, it gave the appreance that it was just white people that attended. Which I think belittles the African-American community.
My high schooler says his civics teacher came back from the rally so pro-BO that she has called the kids racist in her class for not supporting him.
Anyway he has really struck the “I need” in the voters. Again, smart move. Sadly the Clintons “always being late” to get people anxiously waiting doesnt work as well in this “gotta have” day and age.
#904 Rosecityfriend
Well said. I’ grateful to hear your sons understand what is really going on, this is hope:)
Los Angeles Times
June 14, 2008
Barack Obama suddenly doing some tough urban talk
While responding to the shouts of a man in the crowd who was referring to GOP tactics, BHO said, and I quote:
“If they bring a knife to the fight,” he told a crowd in Philadelphia last night about his Republican opponents, “we bring a gun.”
Then in an attempt to make light of his statements he said,
“From what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl,” Obama went on, according to the pooled press report. “I’ve seen Eagles fans.”
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-tough-tal.html
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And my June 15th LA Times Blog response:
DIRTY POLITICS, DIRTY POLITIANS
Obama Tells Supporters to Bring Guns
I find these recent statements by a potential President of the United States reprehensible. Doesn’t anyone realize that a statement like this, even if by way of analogy would be construded by some as a message to bring *real* guns to a rally or to a townhall meeting as a way of doing battle against one’s political opponent.
This man is not a peacemaker—he is a Chicago thug! IMO and we now know what CHANGE really means. Wake up people before it’s too late.
Hillary Where Are You?
Please reopen your campaign!
The spousal unit is an Obama supporter. He doesn’t see any sexism. Well, of course not. Why would he? No skin off his ass. Same with the slights towards the gay community.
We’ve had a heated argument in which he did both Attack/Gloat and Threat modes from the Obama Supporter Behavior Cycle.
I now think of so-called liberal men as smug little hypocrites and see them as part of the problem. As long as they can perpetuate their male privilege and dominance over the lower classes, they’re happy.
Someone on that same LA Times blog wrote,
[[Reports in the Jerusalem Post and in Israel Insider claim Obama's brother confirms Barack is a Muslim. Ho hum ... a "stop the smear" web site's work is never done:
Malik Obama confirms his half-brother Barack grew up a Muslim
By Israel Insider staff June 13, 2008
Apparently the Obamas of Kenya have been reading those scurrilous emails to which Barack likes to refer, because they have no doubt -- contrary to the claims of the Obama campaign, that the presidential candidate was raised a Moslem. They take that as a given.
As the Jerusalem Post reports, "Barack Obama's half brother Malik said Thursday that if elected his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background. In an interview with Army Radio he expressed a special salutation from the Obamas of Kenya."
The Obama brothers' father, a senior economist for the Kenyan government who studied at Harvard University, died in car crash in 1982. He left six sons and a daughter. All of his children - except Malik -- live in Britain or the United States. Malik and Barack met in 1985.
In a remarkable denial issued last November that still stands on the official campaign website, Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs issued a statement explaining that "Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised as a Muslim, and is a committed Christian."
Apparently Malik Obama, himself a Muslim, had not read the press release.
Melanie Phillips is the most recent commentator to draw attention to the massive body of evidence that leaves no doubt that Barak Hussein Obama was born a Muslim (Islam is patrilineal) and raised a Muslim (so registered in school, acknowledging attending Islamic classes, reported accompanying his step-father to the mosque, and able to recite the Koran in the original Arabic).
Reuven Koret, Aaron Klein and Daniel Pipes have previously pointed to the attempts by Obama and his campaign to conceal the candidate's Muslim background. The well documented evidence draws upon the on-the-ground interviews by researchers in Indonesia and Kenya, published quotations of Obama's childhood friends and his school records, as well as the candidate's own autobiography.
It is not clear whether Barack Obama will now disown his half-brother Malik, or throw him under the campaign bus, for acknowledging that shared family background. In any case, some one should notify "Fight the Smear" tout de suite. Perhaps they can get him with the program.]]
Posted by: Mandelay | June 14, 2008 at 06:06 PM
See,
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-tough-tal.html
csuzeq,
Use gentle persuasion and cite facts. Talk gently. I’m very lucky I think, the person next to me made it clear if I even think of voting for NOBAMA even in my dreams, I’m just as stupid as the rest of his koolaid drinkers.
ACTION ALERT! Vote YES!!!
Hi. Please vote in this online poll:
Is the backlash against Keith Olbermann warranted?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/12/keith-olbermann-backlash_n_106775.html
(You may need to refresh the page by clicking the headline, but the poll is at bottom of the article.)
Have you ever wondered how two books by an obscure academic and politician nobody had ever heard of made him a millionaire? Well his books are published by Crown Books and Crown Books is owned by Bertelsman AG of Germany and Bertelsman AG is owned by the Bertelsman Foundation and the Mohn family. Look
this lot up on the Internet and prepare to get frightened, because not only are they half the publishing houses in the world, the largest private broadcasting network in
Europe, several film companies and 50% of Sony they have ties to the Nazi Regime for whom they published Propaganda and from whom they received large numbers of slave laborers (Oh yeah they were using slaves in the 1930s and 40s).
On top of that, the Foundation is a neo liberal think tank (in the USA that means neo conservative) that funds active political and educational projects by its own
members, spending millions of Euros a month. When the Company bought Random House in 1998 they falsified History to hide their Nazi connections and activities but had to publicly admit that they did so in 2002. They are well known for their attempts to subvert freedom of information, union activities and state controlled education and medicine.They formerly owned the controlling interest in AOL Europe, are still a major Internet Provider and have control of the German
content of Wikipedia. Obama’s current wealth is based on his advances from these guys. Still think he’s different to Bush? He is, he’s a lot worse! Bush’s grandfather traded with the Nazis, Obama works for them.
WeezulBadjur
“The one pervading evil of democracy is the tyranny of the party
that succeeds, by force or fraud, in carrying elections.” ~ Lord Acton
“No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. Never give
it.” ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
#362 sassysenora on 06.14.08 at 5:36 pm
You said: “if BO was born in HI, he’s a “natural born” citizen and meets the requirements of Art. 1. if he was born elsewhere, he may not be a “natural born” citizen.”
WRONG!
In 1961
Any child born on US Soil = American Citizen by Birth
A child born of 2 US Citizens over the age of 21 = Natural Born American Citizen {Location irrelevant but there could be a residency requirement}
A child born with an American father over the age of 21 = American Citizen by Birth [ Might be Natural Born Citizen]
A child born with an American mother over the age of 21 = American Citizen by Birth [ Might be Natural Born Citizen]
A child born of two Naturalized American Citizens over the age of 21 and fulfilling Residence Requirements = American Citizen by Birth [ Might be Natural Born Citizen]
Barack Obama is an American Citizen by Birth but may not be a Natural Born Citizen.
Any child born of a British Subject father and acknowledged by him, legitimate or not = A British Subject. UK and Commonwealth Law from 1948
Under International Law, and US Law, the father’s Nationality takes precedence where Dual Nationality exists, according to the 1961 views of the United Nations Legal experts. There is a huge and very boring Document covering this.
In 1963
Any child born of a Kenyan National father and acknowledged by him, legitimate or not = A Kenyan Citizen. Kenyan Law from Independence
In 1966
Any child adopted by an Indonesian Citizen = An Indonesian Citizen. Indonesian Legal Code
Barack Obama is one, or more, of these things British, Kenyan or Indonesian, and an American Citizen by Birth.
Today and in the Past
An American Citizen can only hold Dual Nationality if the other country of which they hold Citizenship allows Dual Nationality to its Citizens, or makes a special individual exception.
Adopting the Nationality of another country can void US Citizenship.
It has been held that a person holding an ACTIVE Dual Nationality CANNOT be President, an Honorary, inactive or voided Dual Nationality would not count. But the only precedent is Canadian.
However no person of Dual Nationality ever stood for the Presidency prior to John McCain and all of the candidates who might have had some Citizenship problem were Republican.
The exact definition of a Natural Born Citizen has never been fully defined in Law by Congress or the Courts but it is a fact that American Citizen by Birth and Natural Born American Citizen are not identical concepts.
People keep quoting the rather unclear US Laws, the UK and Kenyan Laws are crystal clear and Nationality isn’t affected by where the person was born according to these Laws and the Nationality of the mother makes no difference either. It is sexist and the UK Laws have changed a lot since then but it is the 1961or 1963 Law that applies.
Whether Hawaii was a State or an Incorporated Territory at the time of Obama’s birth changes nothing, it was US soil. The only argument there is one no US Court would ever accept, namely the contention by some legal experts that Hawaii is not and has never been a part of the USA [Google it, I can't be bothered, its frivolous.].
Whether or not his parents were married makes no difference. in any event the marriage, if it occurred at all, wouldn’t have been regarded as legal under the laws of 16 of the States of the USA itself in 1961. In several Barack Obama Senior would have been considered guilty of Statutory Rape and would have stood a good chance of being lynched. In a couple Stanley Ann Dunham would have been Committed as Insane and her parents jailed for Contributing to the Delinquency of a Minor.
WeezulBadjur
“The one pervading evil of democracy is the tyranny of the party that succeeds, by force or fraud, in carrying elections.” ~ Lord Acton
“No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. Never give it.” ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
Murphy:
Since the coalitions conference call over this weekend, Riverdaughter has recommended that people join Just Say No Deal. PUMA is being discussed / questioned at The Confluence. You’re probably the best one to answer some of the questions that are arising.
Example follows:
“I’m with those who want to see more information on the composition and aims of this group before signing on.
I was somewhat alarmed to see that something calling itself PUMAPAC had formed within days of PUMA being mentioned here. Are we sure that this isn’t just someone who decided to co-opt the slogan for their own gain or to further their own political goals? Is is really a PAC/527, registered with the FEC? Where is the money they are soliciting going, who controls is and what is it being used for? Also, why was the meaning of PUMA rapidly changed from “Party Unity My Ass” to the wimpier and less meaningful “People United Means Action”?
It’s going to be impossible for me to get on board with this group and really trust its direction without some answers to these and other questions. The absolute worst thing we could do is get involved in something that ends up being moved in a direction we do not support by people whose aims and motives we are not privy to. I’ve seen that happen too many times in the past to just walk into this blindly.”
A MUST SEE YOU TUBE VIDEO depicting the DEMANDS of BHO as expressed by his wife during the campaign season.
Added: June 09, 2008
YouTube – The CHANGE MAKER – Friends of Barack Obama
The REAL Obama – and his REAL agenda.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyqnLpPTFco
If anyone has watched all of BHO’s speeches throughout the campaign, as I had, then you can clearly see that BHO started out talking to his black “base” using such terms as, the “fierce urgency of now” said by Martin Luther King; or when he mentioned the march on Selma and then the very next sentence mentioned the phrase NOW is out Time. So that by the time we got to June 3rd and the last primaries, that phrase NOW is out time became all encompasing. Yet I cannot get away for the feeling inside of me that he was STILL talking to his base but in CODE. That CODE is a black libertarian agenda and reflects the words and teachings of Rev Jeremiah Wright, in my not so humble opinion.
He is not a man of the people — he is a man about the business of his people; and that is a very dangerous position for any US President to emulate.
IT’S EITHER
HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT!
OR JOHN McCAIN
There can be no others!!!
Please excuse my last post and all the typos… I am slightly dyslectic and often mis-type; my brain working faster than my hands. ~Sorry.
Should have been,
NOW is *our* time!
Every time I see an Obama rally, I’m almost embarrased for the Obama fans who have a glazed, hypnotized demeanor. Even I have recognized times when something Hillary Clinton said on the campaign trail resulted in my disappointment. How can critically-thinking adults have so much unfettered adoration for a candidate? None of them are perfect and constructive criticism shapes them to be better candidates. I honestly think the Obamites are worshipping at the altar. It’s sickening. My neighbors have always disliked Senator Clinton and even they said it was reprehensible the way the media absolutely savaged her during this primary campaign.
Here’s another website to find your House representatives:
https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml
This piece entitled “Analysis: Obama chose winning over his word”, topped off my evening quite nicely.
This line sums it up:
“Every time Obama’s change rhetoric meets his actual change record it evaporates in a cloud of hypocrisy.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080619/ap_on_el_pr/obama_money_analysis
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